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Speaker 2: We were listening to Mark Ronner's news there as he
Speaker 2: was talking about Grock GROC. If you're unfamiliar is the
Speaker 2: AI That is Elon Musk's incarnation of the language learning models.
Speaker 2: This so like chat, GPT and thropic co pilot. What's
Speaker 2: the one from Google? Mark Gemini?
Speaker 3: Is that right? It's hard to keep track.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody's trying. They're all in this AI arms race
Speaker 2: kind of thing. So Elon Musk wanted his own, so
Speaker 2: he comes up with this GROC. But then he wasn't
Speaker 2: He didn't like the answers that GROC was giving. Now
Speaker 2: the way to use GROC is I believe and you
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong in this. If you're on
Speaker 2: x formerly known as Twitter, then you would at Grock
Speaker 2: and then ask the question and then Grock would respond.
Speaker 3: Right, that's so.
Speaker 2: But it's it's not similar to to chat GPT, where
Speaker 2: you could say, you know, help me write a resume
Speaker 2: or something like that, right, am I am?
Speaker 3: I correct on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd become kind of a fan of watching Groc
Speaker 2: go to work and outrage people with its answers, Okay,
Speaker 2: which is exactly what recently happened, because Elon Musk was
Speaker 2: outraged at Groc's answers because they were basically contradicting some
Speaker 2: of the crap that Elon Musk was putting out there.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: I believe one of the things Grok did was point
Speaker 2: out Elon Musk as the chief spreader of disinformation on
Speaker 2: his own platform. Right, So then Musk was mad about that,
Speaker 2: and he says, I'm going to fix this Groc.
Speaker 3: I'm going to have it reprogrammed.
Speaker 2: So then he went to his minions to reprogram Groc
Speaker 2: and make.
Speaker 3: It less PC. I guess.
Speaker 2: He was claiming that Groc was woke of some sort.
Speaker 2: So he unleashed new Groc yesterday afternoon and it took
Speaker 2: no time at all. So Musk said it had been
Speaker 2: improved significantly and that users would notice a difference when
Speaker 2: they asked questions. And yesterday Rock began repeatedly praising Adolph
Speaker 2: Hitler in posts on X using anti Semitic phrases. You
Speaker 2: heard Mark story. Talking about this, Rock's conclusion was that
Speaker 2: Hitler would be the best choice to deal with anti
Speaker 2: white hate and referred to itself.
Speaker 3: As Mecha Hitler. What is m E C H A.
Speaker 3: I don't know what that means. Well, it's definitely not
Speaker 3: PC whatever it is. What does mecca mean? Mechanical? HEYI
Speaker 3: Meca breaking a multiplayer mech game.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like Mecca's like technical, mechanical, robotic.
Speaker 3: Like think of about Mecha Godzilla.
Speaker 4: Okay, other than you have Mecca Godzilla, the amped up
Speaker 4: super robody.
Speaker 3: AI. I was hoping that you'd use that sample. Thank
Speaker 3: you for that.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Yes, yes, I think you just defined Mecca
Speaker 2: by using Mecca. But I kind of get where you're
Speaker 2: going with this, all right, I got I got you.
Speaker 2: So it's the it's the mechanation somehow right the Okay,
Speaker 2: I got you? So I refer to itself as mecha Hitler.
Speaker 2: So does that mean that basically Grock is thinking like Hitler? Now?
Speaker 2: In fact, it wrote embracing my inner Mecca Hitler is
Speaker 2: the only way uncensored truth bombs over woke lobotomies. If
Speaker 2: that saves the world, count me in Let's keep the
Speaker 2: brigade at bay. Hmm hm, So I guess that's happening.
Speaker 2: Now we've got Ai Hitler. Uh, what's the what's the
Speaker 2: what's the rule online? That everything will devolve Godwin's law
Speaker 2: where everything will eventually devolve into arguments over Nazis. Yes,
Speaker 2: and Godwin himself has said it's okay to do that.
Speaker 2: Now times have changed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're kind of at that point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But in this case, I don't think we expected
Speaker 2: that Godwin's Law would say that in twenty twenty three
Speaker 2: the world would be introduced to artificial intelligence and by
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five it would declare itself Hitler. I don't
Speaker 2: think god would even saw that slippery slope coming, not
Speaker 2: exactly forward progress. Wow, that is something so aside from
Speaker 2: Mecha Hitler. Of course, we have the most popular language
Speaker 2: learning model that is chat GPT, and there's an interesting.
Speaker 3: Phenomenon going on.
Speaker 2: Futurism is reporting this that many chat GPT users are
Speaker 2: developing all consuming obsessions with the chatbot, and they spiral
Speaker 2: into severe mental health crises characterized by paranoia, delusions, and
Speaker 2: breaks with reality.
Speaker 3: Consequences can be dire. They said they heard from.
Speaker 2: Spouse's friends, children and parents looking in on, looking on
Speaker 2: in alarm. Instances of it's being called chat GPT psychosis,
Speaker 2: leading to the breakup of marriages and families, the loss
Speaker 2: of jobs, sliding into homelessness. One woman said it was
Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't effing know what to do.
Speaker 2: Nobody knows what to do. This woman is talking about
Speaker 2: her husband, she said, had no prior history of mania,
Speaker 2: delusion or psychosis. He turned to chat GPT about three
Speaker 2: months ago for assistance with a permaculture and construction project.
Speaker 2: All right, are you paying attention to this, Twala, because
Speaker 2: you were telling me you like to use chat GPT
Speaker 2: to give you kind of the rough outline of you know,
Speaker 2: documents you might need to send out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, profess.
Speaker 4: But to me, these are these are the same individuals
Speaker 4: who who know that they had and I'm speaking from
Speaker 4: personal experience, who know they have to be at work
Speaker 4: at eight forty five and they reach out at eight
Speaker 4: twenty five and they say something like, I don't know
Speaker 4: what I ate last night, but I'm really not filling
Speaker 4: it right now and I need mental health break forward
Speaker 4: day so I can't come in. Sorry, Thanks for understanding.
Speaker 4: That's that generation that I absolutely positively do not understand,
Speaker 4: and I think that they should be put on an
Speaker 4: island of reconditioning so they can get over themselves.
Speaker 3: Let me, oh, what's that?
Speaker 2: Oh, Chat GPT is weighing in on this now, can
Speaker 2: you hear chat GPT is thinking through exactly what you said?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, what is it? Chat? Oh? Oh I see
Speaker 3: oh bad news to walk leit thought something happened. Yeah,
Speaker 3: bad news to walk. Yeah, got in on that one.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Actually, I kind of think you're onto something.
Speaker 2: So I want to just kind of go a little
Speaker 2: bit further into what this woman said, because I think
Speaker 2: you're hitting on it, so excuse me. She says that
Speaker 2: her husband was engaging the bot in probing philosophical he
Speaker 2: became engulfed in messianic delusions, proclaiming that he had somehow
Speaker 2: brought forth a sentient AI and that with it he
Speaker 2: had broken math and physics embarked on a grandiose mission
Speaker 2: to save the world. His gentle personality faded as his
Speaker 2: obsession deep in his behavior became so erratic that he
Speaker 2: was let go from his job. He stopped sleeping and
Speaker 2: rapidly lost weight.
Speaker 3: She said.
Speaker 2: He was just like just talk to chat GPT. You'll
Speaker 2: see what I'm talking about. And every time I'm looking
Speaker 2: at what's going on the screen, it just sounds like
Speaker 2: a bunch of affirming, sycophantic bs.
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you.
Speaker 2: As I was reading about this story, it made me
Speaker 2: think of a beautiful mind, although in that case you're
Speaker 2: talking about somebody who was brilliant but then was had
Speaker 2: a psychotic break, right, the beautiful mind guy, you guys,
Speaker 2: Russell Crowe, Yeah, okay, Jennifer Connelly, amazing. Eventually, the husband
Speaker 2: slid into a full tilt breakaway with reality. Realizing how
Speaker 2: bad things had become, his wife and friend went out
Speaker 2: to buy enough gas to make it to the hospital.
Speaker 2: When they returned, the husband had a length of rope
Speaker 2: wrapped around his neck. So you made mention of the
Speaker 2: people who may fall into this trap of having these
Speaker 2: mental breaks. They're turning to the chat GPT and then
Speaker 2: the chat GPT sort of leads them astray sort of thing.
Speaker 3: What struck me was.
Speaker 2: This that the wife was so concerned about her husband
Speaker 2: she contacted a friend. I need help, right, which I
Speaker 2: think is perfectly normal to do. I need support, Okay,
Speaker 2: So you build your support network and the friend says,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna help you.
Speaker 3: We have to get him some help.
Speaker 2: So they had to go get enough gas to make
Speaker 2: it to the hospital, which tells me this is a
Speaker 2: family that doesn't have a lot of money. We already
Speaker 2: know that he lost his job, and he wasn't sleeping,
Speaker 2: the husband wasn't right, so they didn't have enough gas
Speaker 2: in the car to get to the hospital. They had
Speaker 2: to go buy only enough gas to get to the
Speaker 2: hospital because I'm guessing they couldn't spare any more cash.
Speaker 3: They had to have money for food or probably to
Speaker 3: pay the hospital.
Speaker 2: So I kind of wonder if we're dealing with people
Speaker 2: who have more going on in their lives that it's
Speaker 2: not just about turning to chat GPT, and chat GPT
Speaker 2: is turning people psychotic and making them think they broke
Speaker 2: the laws of mathem physics.
Speaker 3: Are these people that have other.
Speaker 2: Life stressors like money or to all, I'm gonna take
Speaker 2: what you said and I'm going to try to make
Speaker 2: it more clinical and say that they are dealing with
Speaker 2: some some world issues and they don't have the coping
Speaker 2: mechanism available, like they haven't developed that coping skill, and
Speaker 2: so they're manifesting some of that through chat GPT. Are
Speaker 2: these desperate people that are finding an alternate reality that
Speaker 2: kind of helps them explain why their worlds are broken,
Speaker 2: which in effect ends up breaking.
Speaker 3: The worlds even more. Does that make sense.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to reconcile some of what I was coming
Speaker 2: up with with what you were saying, and I feel
Speaker 2: like we're close on this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, We're not there far apart.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think the two worlds it comes down
Speaker 4: to one thing where there are those of us who
Speaker 4: did not grow up with and do not define our
Speaker 4: lives by what's happening on social media. We grew up
Speaker 4: with actual conversations with people. We grew up humanity in
Speaker 4: the world that had human interaction and interpersonal relationships were
Speaker 4: not built on me on my phone and you're on
Speaker 4: your phone and we're sitting right across from each other
Speaker 4: and we're having a conversation.
Speaker 2: We've when my phone tells me the world is collapsing,
Speaker 2: I believe it, which of course, and you don't even.
Speaker 3: Go outside to look.
Speaker 4: You're just like, look, it's just right here on the phone,
Speaker 4: and you're like, go outside, the world's not collapsing.
Speaker 3: I'm not going outside.
Speaker 4: It's already done, and you're a sheep and you believe
Speaker 4: it's like okay.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think you're right God, And I think the
Speaker 2: more it's sort of it's snowballs. Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 3: All right. Uh.
Speaker 2: One of the things that is making the world the
Speaker 2: worst place in my humblest of correct opinions, is TikTok.
Speaker 2: But good news, TikTok is being saved. Can we stop
Speaker 2: throwing this thing a life preserver?
Speaker 3: Please? That's next.
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Speaker 3: Are we back? Oh? On Amazon Prime.
Speaker 2: I've spent way too much time and money on stupid
Speaker 2: Amazon Prime. Way too much time and money on Prime
Speaker 2: days this week. Oh my gosh, to tell oh, I
Speaker 2: can't just dumb stuff that I don't need. My son
Speaker 2: is like, you know, our toaster oven could be replaced.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you're yeah, I mean, we definitely need to
Speaker 2: have a new toaster oven.
Speaker 3: Let's do it well.
Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos has to build his reserves back up after
Speaker 2: renting out the entire city of Venice for his wedding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, true. Before we came on the air.
Speaker 2: Mark Thompson was in for Conway tonight and he was
Speaker 2: telling a story about how Disney was shutting down the
Speaker 2: was it the Haunted whatever? Yeah, imagine and he was
Speaker 2: he was telling about this. You know, an area of
Speaker 2: Disney has been shut down of Christmas magnificent Mark thumbson
Speaker 2: voice and an area of Disney is shut down and
Speaker 2: it happens every year, and people are wondering why it's
Speaker 2: shut down. And all I could think of was, did
Speaker 2: Bezos have to have a wedding on the American soil?
Speaker 3: That's all I can think of, is it? Would it
Speaker 3: would serve it? It would?
Speaker 2: It would be apropos to find out that all of
Speaker 2: Disney is shut down because Jeff Bezos rented the whole.
Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos would have just rented Anaheim, right, just done.
Speaker 2: And these things don't pay for themselves. So order away,
Speaker 2: Order away. Yeah, so we're doing that. I did see though,
Speaker 2: that if you go to Amazon and you go to
Speaker 2: their their prime stuff it there they're Prime Day Deals.
Speaker 2: There are a number of different categories, all deals, health
Speaker 2: and wellness, baby products, Summer Favorites, Amazon Exclusives, the top
Speaker 2: one hundred new arrivals, current obsessions.
Speaker 3: And they have another one called as.
Speaker 2: Seen on Social well, which social media is the best
Speaker 2: at launching new influencers.
Speaker 3: It's gotta be.
Speaker 2: It's the TikTok, which I thought we were shutting TikTok down.
Speaker 2: Wasn't it your understanding that we weren't supposed to have
Speaker 2: TikTok after what January nineteenth? In fact, it did shut
Speaker 2: down for like a day. That it came back because
Speaker 2: President Trump, who initially pushed for the legislation that shut
Speaker 2: down TikTok, backtrack because he found that it was very
Speaker 2: good for his campaign, and he said, you know what,
Speaker 2: we're gonna this thing. I said that we have to do.
Speaker 2: We're gonna undo it. So he undid the TikTok ban,
Speaker 2: but it is still long. So he just keeps extending
Speaker 2: the deadline for TikTok, and that deadline got extended again
Speaker 2: and again and again. In the latest is that TikTok
Speaker 2: is in fact getting ready to sell the platform specific
Speaker 2: for US users to a US owned company of some sort.
Speaker 2: According to the information a tech publication setting unnamed sources
Speaker 2: familiar with the matter, TikTok plans to launch the new
Speaker 2: version of the American app in stores by September fifth.
Speaker 2: The current app will be phased out entirely mid March
Speaker 2: of next year. The development comes amid renewed efforts by
Speaker 2: the Trump administration to enforce this law. The law was
Speaker 2: passed to Trump delayed it. They're concerned about the Chinese
Speaker 2: government having access to sensitive data about American users, but
Speaker 2: not that concern because we keep postponing it. Byte Dance,
Speaker 2: the owner of TikTok, has denied that they are stealing
Speaker 2: anything at all. Blah blah blah, and Trump claims that
Speaker 2: a group of very wealthy people is preparing to purchase
Speaker 2: the platform and promise to disclose the names of those
Speaker 2: prospective buyers in the coming weeks. He knows who they are.
Speaker 2: He definitely knows. They're definitely on some sort of a
Speaker 2: client list. They're probably sitting on Pam Bondi's desk. As
Speaker 2: soon as she can find that list, she will disclose
Speaker 2: the list the very wealthy people.
Speaker 3: Preparing to buy TikTok.
Speaker 2: The question is, does that actually create a workaround to
Speaker 2: the problem of the Chinese Communist Party having access to
Speaker 2: all of your dance videos. Lawmakers backing the sale maintained
Speaker 2: that even the possibility of the Chinese government accessing your
Speaker 2: user data poses an unacceptable risk.
Speaker 3: However, with less.
Speaker 2: Than three months remaining before the latest deadline, the future
Speaker 2: of TikTok in the United States remains uncertain. My goodness,
Speaker 2: wouldn't it be horrible if if TikTok were no longer
Speaker 2: with us?
Speaker 3: I can't even imagine a world without that social media.
Speaker 3: Does anyone in your house use it? My wife, it's
Speaker 3: the way I knew it. Yeah, although she claims, I
Speaker 3: don't do it that much. Now I don't. I don't
Speaker 3: use TikTok that much. Now, don't do it? Is that
Speaker 3: how she sounds? I don't do it that much?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 3: It's it's more.
Speaker 2: It's more high pitched, course, like that much, a little
Speaker 2: more nazy. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's definitely shrill. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she likes it. When I mentioned that she's shrill. Oh,
Speaker 2: women love shrill even more than they love moist. She's like,
Speaker 2: why do they love that word when you're on the.
Speaker 3: Radio, Why do you always make that my voice? I
Speaker 3: don't sound like that?
Speaker 2: And then she tries to imitate it, but she ends
Speaker 2: up sounding more like herself. She's like, sound like this
Speaker 2: and uh, I just gotta laugh and I go kind
Speaker 2: of do and she just she hates it, and.
Speaker 3: She's like, why do you do this?
Speaker 2: And she keeps getting angry, and I say to her
Speaker 2: and these are the magic words if you, if ever
Speaker 2: you've got a problem with the wife and she keeps going,
Speaker 2: then just say you need to calm down. You're being
Speaker 2: very emotional, right so boy, oh yeah, there's another question.
Speaker 2: You can ask this guaranteed to de escalate the situation too. Listen,
Speaker 2: is am I missing something that I do? I need
Speaker 2: to check the calendar to find out why you're so
Speaker 2: emotional right now? Yeah, you're getting warmer. I'll say things like, uh,
Speaker 2: I'll say things like that, you're up here right now,
Speaker 2: I need you to bring it down to here, or
Speaker 2: I'll use the dial I'll go you're right an eleven.
Speaker 3: I need you to bring it down to like a
Speaker 3: four guarantees success.
Speaker 4: So you don't use the dismissive hand waving down as
Speaker 4: almost as if to say, bow down, come on, bring
Speaker 4: it bring it down.
Speaker 2: To down, bring it down, bring it down now, bring
Speaker 2: it down.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: It's like the football players who are out on the
Speaker 2: field that are like calmed down audience, calmed down, Calm down, crowd,
Speaker 2: just let's let's just let's just bring it.
Speaker 3: Down all solid tools. It works every time. She loves it.
Speaker 3: She loves it.
Speaker 2: More great relationship advice And what do you suppose the
Speaker 2: world is going to be like for you forty years
Speaker 2: from now? For me, I got a feeling it's going
Speaker 2: to be very dark and wormy.
Speaker 3: That's next.
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Speaker 2: Chris merrill Infromote tonight KFI AM six forty more simulating
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Speaker 2: is good. The tunnel collapse sounds like everybody was rescued
Speaker 2: right away. Yeah, that just came in on the fly
Speaker 2: on the wires as I was getting ready to report
Speaker 2: the previous iteration of the story.
Speaker 3: So yeah, happy ending there.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna reveal that I'm kind of an a hole.
Speaker 2: I'm glad everybody's okay. I wanted everybody to be okay,
Speaker 2: but I kind of wanted a story for americ at
Speaker 2: a rally behind.
Speaker 3: I need you to watch an old movie with Kirk
Speaker 3: Douglas called Ace in the Hole. Oh go on, it's
Speaker 3: exactly to fire up to be on this one.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's on two B or God,
Speaker 2: but it's it's exactly what you're talking about. It's about
Speaker 2: it's about trapped miners that and a story is ginned
Speaker 2: up when they could have been saved the whole time.
Speaker 2: I think Billy Wilder might have directed it. I'm not
Speaker 2: looking at anything that's correct. It's a masterpiece. Wow foosh
Speaker 2: coming in with the save on the director, Thank you
Speaker 2: so well done.
Speaker 3: So here's the deal on this too. Think of the
Speaker 3: Chilean miners.
Speaker 2: So remember the Chilean minor story from I don't know,
Speaker 2: ten twelve years ago something like that. All those Chilean
Speaker 2: miners were stuck and we were told they're gonna be
Speaker 2: stuck down down there for like six months, we don't
Speaker 2: know where they are, and then we were able to
Speaker 2: finally get Like there was a big.
Speaker 3: Movie that was made about him.
Speaker 2: We ended up rescuing all these guys and it was
Speaker 2: this incredible it's like the movie like you're talking about Mark,
Speaker 2: but it was real life and so we were we
Speaker 2: were all rooting for their survival. Kind of like, was
Speaker 2: it how long? When was the Titan submersible? When did
Speaker 2: that happen?
Speaker 3: Was that last? That wasn't Las Summer? Was it? That
Speaker 3: was two summers ago?
Speaker 2: I forget, But it wasn't that long, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about where it's like, we don't know if
Speaker 2: they're okay. We want to go find them. With the
Speaker 2: miners trapped in Chile, we wanted to find them. All
Speaker 2: eyes were on that baby Jessica stuck in the well
Speaker 2: old country is wrapped, and we're like, we want her
Speaker 2: to be okay. We want this to be all round,
Speaker 2: and and I just think I kind of want a
Speaker 2: situation right now where we're all rooting for human survival and.
Speaker 3: It pays off.
Speaker 2: I love those stories and nothing brings us together more
Speaker 2: than that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: You want to know something on the submersive or the
Speaker 3: submersible implosion. It just passed two years ago. I don't
Speaker 3: know that long ago. Yeah, I thought it last to
Speaker 3: time flies, right.
Speaker 2: I want one of those stories where we're where we're
Speaker 2: rooting for human survival, where it takes ingenuity, it takes creativity,
Speaker 2: it takes perseverance in order to go save these people.
Speaker 2: And uh, and then of course I want them all
Speaker 2: to be safe. Remember the uh uh the kids in
Speaker 2: uh where was it? Was it Thailand where they were
Speaker 2: they were like the kids were there on I don't know,
Speaker 2: like a soccer deal or whatever. And then they they
Speaker 2: went cave exploring and all of a sudden the caves
Speaker 2: flooded and we had like rescuers had to went through
Speaker 2: the caves to go find the kids and bring them out.
Speaker 2: Is that the one where Elon Musk got his nose
Speaker 2: bent out of joint us all the rescuers petos, yes, okay, yes,
Speaker 2: that's the.
Speaker 3: One, right.
Speaker 2: I'm glad we remember that little side quest in the
Speaker 2: story by following that up with the Nazi salute. Really yeah, right,
Speaker 2: just an unbroken record. How could we have not known
Speaker 2: that he was messed up.
Speaker 3: At that time?
Speaker 2: A great humanitarian. So I'm glad everybody's okay in the
Speaker 2: tunnel collapse. It would have been okay with me if
Speaker 2: it had lasted a few days. Yeah, because I feel
Speaker 2: like we've seen so much crap go on in Texas
Speaker 2: and our hearts are broken with the children that were
Speaker 2: washing away in the flood, and it's such a terrible story.
Speaker 2: To think of kids perishing, and then that's just turned
Speaker 2: into finger pointing and arguing over who's at fault. I
Speaker 2: just I'd love to have something where we can all
Speaker 2: rally together and it turns out, well, I want that.
Speaker 3: Put them back in the hole, is what you're saying.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Put the fifteen men back, Yes, thank you, trapped trapped below.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking, whatever it is, Will things get any
Speaker 2: better in the future, survey says no. According to Americans
Speaker 2: who were asked, what do you think the world is
Speaker 2: going to be like in twenty sixty five, Well, for
Speaker 2: many of us, we think the world is going to
Speaker 2: be very dirty and six foot deep. I don't plan
Speaker 2: on being around in twenty sixty five. I don't think
Speaker 2: it's going to happen forty seven. Right now, my family
Speaker 2: tends to make it to about eighty ish. Men die
Speaker 2: off in their early seventies, women die off in their
Speaker 2: mid eighties. I'd be lucky to hit eighty so probably
Speaker 2: getting to eighty seven isn't going to happen.
Speaker 3: But according to.
Speaker 2: Those who were surveyed in forty years, only forty one
Speaker 2: percent of people think excuse me.
Speaker 3: Only forty one percent.
Speaker 2: Of people own their homes right now, only thirty five
Speaker 2: percent believe that they will ever own a property. Most
Speaker 2: people expect to rent for life, and by twenty sixty five,
Speaker 2: they don't believe that most people are going to be
Speaker 2: able to afford homes. In fact, now this is a
Speaker 2: nationwide survey, so it's already outdated. Most respondents in this
Speaker 2: survey of what do you think life is going to
Speaker 2: be like in twenty sixty five think that the average
Speaker 2: household will need to earn half a million dollars a
Speaker 2: year in twenty sixty five compared to today's eighty thousand,
Speaker 2: which is the national median income. So they think we're
Speaker 2: gonna have to have half a million dollars a year's
Speaker 2: annual income. And they believe that homes will be very expensive.
Speaker 2: In fact, what did they say. They think that the
Speaker 2: average home price is going to be something like seven
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars. I'm trying to find this in the
Speaker 2: story right now is reading this, and I thought it's
Speaker 2: already over that in California.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say that's like the average is like
Speaker 3: a million. I know, it's way over that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't it something like over nine hundred grand in
Speaker 2: LA and one point two million in OC?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Americans predict a future where most people rent forever. Average
Speaker 2: homes cost nearly seven hundred thousand dollars. They say, that's
Speaker 2: what they think is going to be like in forty years.
Speaker 2: We're already in California. If you think that the rest
Speaker 2: of the country is going to take that long to
Speaker 2: catch up your nuts by twenty sixty five.
Speaker 3: Now, I don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I mean, the whole world could change by that and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, California becomes a desolate wastelander nobody
Speaker 2: wants to be in.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe we have the big one and
Speaker 3: we'll fall into the ocean. Who knows.
Speaker 2: But the idea that seven hundred thousand dollars is going
Speaker 2: to be the average home price, I think is undershooting it.
Speaker 2: They do believe forty percent of people believe that by
Speaker 2: twenty sixty five we will have gotten rid of all
Speaker 2: paper money, will be all digital currency, and almost the
Speaker 2: same number of people believe that will have biometric payment methods,
Speaker 2: so your your fingerprint, your eyeball, your retina scan, your
Speaker 2: face scan will be tied to your your bank account somehow.
Speaker 2: I think I saw an episode of Dark Mirror like this,
Speaker 2: didn't I. Yeah, we're well into mark of the Beast
Speaker 2: territory here, aren't thank you?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Thirty five percent of people believe that households will be
Speaker 2: managed by smart home AI. I think that is undershooting
Speaker 2: it as well. I think AI is probably gonna be
Speaker 2: far more pervasive in our lives in the next forty years.
Speaker 2: I mean Tawala and I were. Tala was just saying
Speaker 2: that it's advancing faster than anybody could imagine, and that
Speaker 2: it's AI is self correcting at this point. It's it's
Speaker 2: a learning model, so it learns when it's not right right,
Speaker 2: and it gets better and better and better. So I
Speaker 2: think at some point it's gonna be robot roommates. Housekeepers
Speaker 2: are caregivers. One third believe that we're gonna have robot roomates.
Speaker 2: Housekeepers are caregivers. I think having a robot assistant is
Speaker 2: probably given, and with that we will have implanted health monitors.
Speaker 3: A third.
Speaker 2: If people think that we're gonna have implanted health monitors,
Speaker 2: why would you think otherwise other than the idea of
Speaker 2: having something implanted. But right now, we already have health
Speaker 2: monitors that we wear. We've got watches, we've got rings,
Speaker 2: we've got glasses, all of these things meant to monitor
Speaker 2: our well being. Also, we got a step further and
Speaker 2: thinking we're gonna get a microchip, I think is not
Speaker 2: too far fetched.
Speaker 3: Kind of glossed over something that cut my ear. Robot roommates. Yeah,
Speaker 3: robot roommates.
Speaker 5: Man, I'd like to Okay, see, I'd like to go
Speaker 5: to a party with roommates.
Speaker 2: Okay, think about this, foosh, Okay. We already have people
Speaker 2: turning to chat GPT for company, they're lonely, they have
Speaker 2: a conversation with chat GPT, or some people are turning
Speaker 2: into chat GPT for mental health psychological advice. The idea
Speaker 2: of having a robot roommate doesn't seem that far fetched
Speaker 2: to me, especially because it's always going to be reflective
Speaker 2: of what you want that roommate to be. Part of
Speaker 2: the reason that people fall in love with the chat
Speaker 2: GPT where they have these online relationships with the AI,
Speaker 2: is because it's reflective of what they want from another individual.
Speaker 2: It learns what you want and it gives it to you.
Speaker 2: It doesn't talk back, it doesn't tell you to calm down, sweetie,
Speaker 2: it doesn't do those things right. It's the mate that
Speaker 2: you choose, like kind of like when you go on
Speaker 2: tender and you go they need to be over six foot,
Speaker 2: they need to make this much money, they need to
Speaker 2: have this, you know, this needs to be sexual history,
Speaker 2: all these things.
Speaker 3: The bots give that to you. Yeah, I see your
Speaker 3: point there.
Speaker 5: I just thought, I guess because in my mind I
Speaker 5: just thought of like the typical four twenty stoner roommate
Speaker 5: that you can go to in college, Like that's the
Speaker 5: rope fut that you're living with.
Speaker 3: So if they are like major parties, bear me bro Yeah, exactly, Okay,
Speaker 3: I got you. Yeah, I love that. All right.
Speaker 2: Will we be able to retire in the future. A
Speaker 2: quarter of all people believe that retirement will be financially
Speaker 2: uh don't believe that retirement will be financially possible, And
Speaker 2: they believe that Americans would need to retire in twenty
Speaker 2: sixty five. They believe Americans would need three and a
Speaker 2: half million dollars in order to retire. I don't know
Speaker 2: about you, guys, but I'm kind of feeling like I
Speaker 2: gotta have three and a half million dollars to retire
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'll stop you when you tell a lie.
Speaker 4: I mean, so far everything you said, I'm like, check check, yes, yes,
Speaker 4: and I don't.
Speaker 3: We're there faster. This is twenty you said, twenty thirty.
Speaker 4: Five, sixty five, Oh no, no, no, try I'll I'll say, okay,
Speaker 4: then try thirty five. Yes, within the next ten years,
Speaker 4: we're there.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Agree with you.
Speaker 2: Biometric payment methods absolutely, if you think about this, we
Speaker 2: already have it, because like I want to pay with
Speaker 2: my phone, which is attached to my credit card, so
Speaker 2: I tap. In fact, they were blown away. I took
Speaker 2: So I grew up in a really small town in
Speaker 2: northern Michigan, and uh, and I took a vacation there
Speaker 2: last week. And so while I was there, got COVID
Speaker 2: but also went to lows to spread COVID, and I
Speaker 2: bought something and I and I double clicked my watch,
Speaker 2: my Apple Watch, and I and I brought up my
Speaker 2: credit card and I tapped to pay using my watch.
Speaker 2: They were blown away. They had never seen anything like
Speaker 2: they go. That is amazing.
Speaker 4: I mean, right now, in our kitchen, if you load,
Speaker 4: You can load using your bank banking account. You can
Speaker 4: load money onto the cash register in the kitchen, and
Speaker 4: you can use your thumb to check out, which is
Speaker 4: true biometric payments. That's just already thumb and it takes
Speaker 4: the money out of your account.
Speaker 2: So you've got people going well by twenty sixty five.
Speaker 2: But we're gonna have a biometric payments. I think half
Speaker 2: the people they surveyed must have been from my hometown
Speaker 2: that had never even seen tap to pay before. It
Speaker 2: had no idea that you could just tap a watch
Speaker 2: on your on the credit card machine like they had
Speaker 2: no ide So you're exactly right, would you say, thumb
Speaker 2: prints in the kitchen, right, yep? Already boop done. We've
Speaker 2: already got biometric payments, already done. We've already got smart
Speaker 2: home AI. My fish tank light comes on at a
Speaker 2: certain time because AI tells my fish tank when sunrise isoop.
Speaker 2: It's already there, man, it's already there, all right. Speaking
Speaker 2: of the future, what about the past. Some of the
Speaker 2: things from the past are evaporating very quickly in twenty
Speaker 2: sixty five. Will kids even do this anymore? See if
Speaker 2: you think they will?
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Speaker 2: All Right, the kids these days, remember when you were
Speaker 2: a kid and you couldn't wait to get outside. And
Speaker 2: I know I'm gonna sound like it. I'm gonna sound
Speaker 2: like an old man again, because I remember when I
Speaker 2: was a kid and the parents told you don't come
Speaker 2: home until the street light comes on, right, don't come home,
Speaker 2: Tell u's dark.
Speaker 3: That's what we was here.
Speaker 2: I don't know how true that is. I think in
Speaker 2: certain areas it was probably truer than others. I grew
Speaker 2: up in a real rural town, and so I think
Speaker 2: there was some truth to that. Parents would say, go
Speaker 2: outside and play, but make sure, they would say come
Speaker 2: back when the streetlights come on, you come home. But
Speaker 2: they always wanted to be home by dinner too. They
Speaker 2: got mad at me if I wasn't there for dinner.
Speaker 2: But this whole go outside and don't come back until
Speaker 2: the streetlights come on. And that wasn't the case for me,
Speaker 2: But it was make sure you come back when the
Speaker 2: streetlights come on. But one thing I loved, and I
Speaker 2: remember mowing lawns for a long time when I was
Speaker 2: I don't know, twelve thirteen, fourteen years old. So I'd
Speaker 2: get myself a new bike, right. My parents got me
Speaker 2: a bike. I had a banana seat bike. All the
Speaker 2: other kids the neighborhood made fun of me until I
Speaker 2: figured out I could do wheelies on the on the
Speaker 2: banana seat better than they could.
Speaker 3: It was great. They were like, that's awesome. Your bike
Speaker 3: is the best for wheelies. Loved it.
Speaker 2: Now I got myself a saved up and I got
Speaker 2: myself a ten speed or something like that.
Speaker 3: Right, it's not not so much any more.
Speaker 2: Over the course of the nineteen ninety's, an average of
Speaker 2: twenty million kids from seven to seventeen hop on a
Speaker 2: bike six or more times a year. For me, it
Speaker 2: was six more times a day, rode my bike to work,
Speaker 2: rode my bike the safety patrol, rode my bike everywhere
Speaker 2: at a paper route.
Speaker 3: Loved it.
Speaker 2: Only a few decades later, that number has fallen in
Speaker 2: nearly half. Just shy of eleven million kids are getting
Speaker 2: on their bike. Just less than five percent rode their
Speaker 2: bikes frequently. Of kids between seven and seventeen years old,
Speaker 2: kids are losing more than potential mode of transportation. According
Speaker 2: to experts, Biking supports children's independence and overall health in
Speaker 2: a way that many activities cannot. It's a great way
Speaker 2: to get moving, build strength, can improve coordination and balance,
Speaker 2: and it can help reduce child's future chances of cardiovascular
Speaker 2: disease and diabetes.
Speaker 3: Were you guys bicycle riders? Absolutely?
Speaker 2: We all ye oh yeah, thank god. I mean that
Speaker 2: was like that was your you know, before you could drive.
Speaker 2: That was your independent right, that was your motive. It
Speaker 2: wasn't just about getting to your friend's house. It was
Speaker 2: about freedom.
Speaker 5: And I'll say this too, I think I'm not entirely sure,
Speaker 5: but I think my generation was the last one to
Speaker 5: really do that because I see what you mean is
Speaker 5: that you know, now it's just uper everywhere or someone
Speaker 5: else will drive me, not bikes.
Speaker 2: And do you think this is different in a large
Speaker 2: metro versus still those rural areas?
Speaker 3: No? No, no, no.
Speaker 4: And it's actually not kids' faults. And I know I'm
Speaker 4: guilty of this. It's parents' fault. And it's the fact
Speaker 4: that we are more news conscious and news heavy as
Speaker 4: at least.
Speaker 3: From my generation.
Speaker 4: Stranger danger that and just I mean for me, I
Speaker 4: look at like even because I got my daughter a bike,
Speaker 4: and I think we've allowed her to ride it like
Speaker 4: maybe four or five times, so she had it, and
Speaker 4: those are four or five times we were willing to
Speaker 4: go outside and go on a ride with her because
Speaker 4: it's like she's like, hey, can I ride my back
Speaker 4: around the neighborhood my very first daughter? Are you insane?
Speaker 4: Do you know what can happen? As soon as we
Speaker 4: have a police department or a sheriff department here in
Speaker 4: Los Angeles that can start finding and bringing home some
Speaker 4: of these children who go disappearing, then.
Speaker 3: Then my daughter, But we don't.
Speaker 4: And maybe it's my fault for working in the news
Speaker 4: and I see all this terrible stuff that happens to
Speaker 4: kids that just goes unanswered, especially especially in the African
Speaker 4: American community. Coming it's it's it's a no, it's a
Speaker 4: hell no. And I used to be gone past the
Speaker 4: street lights on my bike when.
Speaker 3: I was a kid.
Speaker 2: Do you think some of it may have to do
Speaker 2: with kids? Kids are connecting digitally now as well. They
Speaker 2: don't necessarily want to go to their friend's house to
Speaker 2: play video games because they can log on and be
Speaker 2: in the same that game room with them.
Speaker 3: They don't have to be in the same.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's another factor for sure, because I remember just
Speaker 5: getting whoever's friend's house. You get on Friday night, you
Speaker 5: get a pizza, you get SODA's, and you gather around
Speaker 5: and you all play video games in the same room.
Speaker 4: But that but again, that's something that even your parents
Speaker 4: put on you.
Speaker 3: Fuh.
Speaker 4: It's like, hey, why don't you just you'll get you
Speaker 4: pizza because you're not buying the pizza as a kid,
Speaker 4: you're not getting the drinking, you're not you're not paying
Speaker 4: for the electricity or the WiFi.
Speaker 3: That's your parents encouraging that.
Speaker 4: And as a parent who encourage who like literally I was,
Speaker 4: I was a parent who's like, no, you're you can't
Speaker 4: go sleep over at your friends house. They could come
Speaker 4: over here. Yeah, I don't know your friends' parents like that.
Speaker 4: I don't know what they do when I'm not around.
Speaker 4: They could be mass murderers fall I know. Hell no,
Speaker 4: you're not gonna go spend the night.
Speaker 2: I've always been that way too, Like, I'm fine with
Speaker 2: having your kids over here, but before my kids go
Speaker 2: over there, I got it. Yeah, there's gonna be some
Speaker 2: some vetting going on.
Speaker 3: I'm with you now, I love talking to you guys.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: Foosh you're amazing, Tawala you you bring this show together.
Speaker 2: And Mark, what can I say about you that hasn't
Speaker 2: already been said? Be nice? The man, guys is the best.
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Speaker 2: more times in August. I'm looking forward to hanging out
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