Speaker 1: I should have known.
Speaker 2: I should have known when I left it open for
Speaker 2: c K there was a potential of getting weird spin doctors. Yeah, man,
Speaker 2: all right, nineties one Hit Wonders is where we went
Speaker 2: with today? What year was this?
Speaker 1: I gotta say ninety three, ninety four ish?
Speaker 3: That's fat.
Speaker 1: Check me on this.
Speaker 2: Let's see spin doctors. What's the name of the song?
Speaker 2: Two Princes Princes? Then they had another one little miss
Speaker 2: camp be wrong.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Only you would have this knowledge.
Speaker 1: Mom, had the cassette played it in the Volvo.
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm off. Okay, that's still pretty good.
Speaker 3: Uh can we be honest? Horrible band?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's why they were one hit wonder fair enough.
Speaker 2: Chris camaraddniy Liven Studio. Hello, Christopher, how are you good man?
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm good? I'm good.
Speaker 2: So let's get the Shador Sanders stuff out of the way.
Speaker 2: As really the only local media member that has experience
Speaker 2: covering Colorado Dion and Shador. Let me ask you this,
Speaker 2: do you think Dion did him a little bit of
Speaker 2: a disservice throughout the course of this process, because you
Speaker 2: hear a lot of like well, like his dad, he
Speaker 2: sandbagged a bunch of interviews, and like his dad, he
Speaker 2: wanted to choose where he wanted to play. Dion could
Speaker 2: have sandbagged every interview possible. He's the best cornerback potential
Speaker 2: you've ever seen play. Chador is just simply not that talent.
Speaker 2: Do you think he maybe was done a bit of
Speaker 2: a disservice by his father?
Speaker 1: He was done a disservice by his father and basically
Speaker 1: the entire ecosystem of the NFL draft, because if we're
Speaker 1: being honest, the folks who are tasked with pontificating on
Speaker 1: such things in the months and years prior at Shador
Speaker 1: at a top as a top ten piss they did.
Speaker 1: So my question is, was the lead up to the combine,
Speaker 1: the interviews, skipping the combine, opting to maybe throw it
Speaker 1: pro day, and then throwing a pro day. Did all
Speaker 1: of that stuff suddenly sour team so much to the
Speaker 1: point that it cost him to slip four rounds. I
Speaker 1: don't know, Like and to me, like I told one
Speaker 1: of my bosses, like, beyond the prank call, beyond where
Speaker 1: he ended up. I think this is a learning lesson
Speaker 1: for basically everybody who's involved in stuff like this, to
Speaker 1: take a step back and figure out what went wrong
Speaker 1: and why did it go wrong, because we've never seen
Speaker 1: this before. I mean, like the closest analogy we have,
Speaker 1: honestly is Rogers was it was Aaron sliding when Alex
Speaker 1: Smith went one and still a first rounder, still a
Speaker 1: first rounder and obviously went to the ideal spot when
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl is going to be a first ballot
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. But I don't I can't remember ever
Speaker 1: having a prospect in the most important position in football,
Speaker 1: let alone sports slide at the level that Shador Sanders
Speaker 1: slid to. And I think we will have think pieces.
Speaker 1: I think we will have reports coming out in the
Speaker 1: coming days. I mean, Diana was Seen, who works with
Speaker 1: me at the Athletic Now, reported this week that you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of it came down to the interviews, came
Speaker 1: down to the fact that he didn't want to participate
Speaker 1: at the combine. And again, my question is going to
Speaker 1: be for a while now until we get it answered,
Speaker 1: and you'll only get an answered through sources, through league sources,
Speaker 1: through people who will speak on condition of anonymity because
Speaker 1: a lot of these folks, remember most people in the
Speaker 1: world of sports kind of live in semi fear of
Speaker 1: Deon Sanders. You do not want to get on the
Speaker 1: wrong side of Dion because of the cultural and medius
Speaker 1: way that he has. But again, how did this happen?
Speaker 1: How did this kid go from being like maybe where
Speaker 1: the Steelers going to take him at twenty one as
Speaker 1: recently as a month ago, to going in the fifth
Speaker 1: round to the Browns after they had selected Dylan Gabriel
Speaker 1: the third round. It's a fascinating story and I'm really
Speaker 1: interested to see what in the coming weeks and months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and your point about the conversation, I mean, there
Speaker 2: was a point last year mid season where Vegas had
Speaker 2: pretty good odds for Shador to be a finalist for
Speaker 2: the Heisman Trophy and be the number one overall pick.
Speaker 2: So it wasn't just people throwing stuff against the wall
Speaker 2: to hope it would stick, like you could get odds
Speaker 2: on should or going number one. Mid season last year
Speaker 2: there was the Saints at nine, who need a quarterback.
Speaker 2: To your point of this Dealers at twenty one. I
Speaker 2: do often find the chasm between NFL talent evaluators, NBA
Speaker 2: talent evaluators, and media talent evaluators interesting because how much
Speaker 2: of the media talent evaluating is also draped in I
Speaker 2: want this to be a great story, Like we sit
Speaker 2: down and watch mel Kuiper lose his mind for three
Speaker 2: days because he thought should or should be the number
Speaker 2: one overall pick. Is that mel Kiper really analyzing should
Speaker 2: Or as a talent or is that mel Kiper the
Speaker 2: actor on television also wanting the story? Right, there's a
Speaker 2: gap between the two. You're taught when you're evaluating talent.
Speaker 2: If you're working for a team, you're taught to remove emotion.
Speaker 2: Now do you have to analyze everything that surrounds the player?
Speaker 3: Yes? But can he play simple? Bottom line?
Speaker 2: But on the media side of things, how much of
Speaker 2: this talent evaluation is draped in the narrative that they
Speaker 2: want you to click on their stuff and watch their
Speaker 2: TV show?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Well, it's a business in of itself, and the sport
Speaker 1: has owned the off season like unlike any other professional sport.
Speaker 1: We have really like worldwide because the international soccer window
Speaker 1: can get exciting, But the summer transfer window, as you know,
Speaker 1: the most important transfer window indeed, is only like three
Speaker 1: weeks long and you don't have you'll have some monumental
Speaker 1: movement like in Bob Beta Real Madrid that comes along
Speaker 1: once a blue moon. You can make an argument that
Speaker 1: people are more tantalized by the off season and the
Speaker 1: draft than they are by the season for a lot
Speaker 1: of teams, because in the NFL, a lot of teams
Speaker 1: are bad for a long time, and all you have
Speaker 1: to sell them is hope. And what did we learn
Speaker 1: from Ted Lasso?
Speaker 3: It kills you.
Speaker 1: The hope that kills you.
Speaker 3: So Porter loved that show, That Porter's show hate it.
Speaker 1: I know. My point is is it is a It
Speaker 1: is an ecosystem in of itself, the NFL Draft, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people have figured out a cultivated a
Speaker 1: way to market themselves as pseudo experts. Selfishly, I'm going
Speaker 1: to lean and rock with my guy Dane Brugler, who
Speaker 1: you've had on the show many times, who knows the
Speaker 1: stuff because he isn't one of those guys. He is
Speaker 1: kind of the the guy behind the curtains for a
Speaker 1: long time. It is like I'll show up in October
Speaker 1: November and I'll and I'll start to give you guys,
Speaker 1: you know, some feedback on who I think is good.
Speaker 1: But the Internet's a fickle place, man, and you can
Speaker 1: you can create a a fabricated existence for yourself and
Speaker 1: project yourself as an expert when you're really not, and
Speaker 1: you can be a fan of things. But unfortunately, in
Speaker 1: this world, somebody might find something hyperbolic and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: this person said it. Oh, let me check out their
Speaker 1: online bio on x Oh they're a draft expert. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's spin this and let's aggregate it and then send
Speaker 1: it into the universe and then it takes on a
Speaker 1: life of its own. And this happens often, but in
Speaker 1: the NFL draft it happens at an alarmingly high rate.
Speaker 2: Order brought this up, and I think it's spot on.
Speaker 2: And let's see Dane hat youd or going twenty one. Yep,
Speaker 2: the Giants trading back in. But I think as far
Speaker 2: as his overall big board, he was like forty three
Speaker 2: or something. So Dane actually was closer than most of
Speaker 2: the other analysts, certainly the mel Kuipers of the world.
Speaker 3: But I don't know if there's another.
Speaker 2: Events or anything on the sporting calendar that's covered by
Speaker 2: more liars and charlatans than the NFL draft. No Porter
Speaker 2: brought it up, it's one hundred percent correct because people
Speaker 2: realize you could be Joe Schmoe that knows nothing about
Speaker 2: what you're doing, and you create a mock and it
Speaker 2: finds its way into an algorithm. People are going to
Speaker 2: click on mock drafts no matter what, and it always
Speaker 2: makes it hard to understand where the real information.
Speaker 3: Is coming from.
Speaker 2: And honestly, you're also getting smoke screens and misdirections from teams.
Speaker 1: That's the most undersold part of this. And talk about that, well,
Speaker 1: you know you've been in the front office rooms before, right.
Speaker 2: And that's also what makes it complicated, because what you
Speaker 2: want to do when you're in a front office is
Speaker 2: you use your media contacts to send out messages via
Speaker 2: the media that will throw other teams off your sense
Speaker 2: and will make other teams believe that you're actually looking
Speaker 2: at players that you have no desire to select, and
Speaker 2: you want to throw media, you know, you want to
Speaker 2: throw the media messaging out there. Teams actually stay away
Speaker 2: from the guy that you like or think that you
Speaker 2: like somebody that you don't. And therefore it makes our
Speaker 2: job analyzing this stuff beyond microphones or beyond computers riding
Speaker 2: about it really hard to do. And that's why you
Speaker 2: can look at every single mock. Everybody gets it wrong
Speaker 2: every single year, so it makes it hard to really
Speaker 2: understand what's real and what isn't. But you made multiple
Speaker 2: trips down to Boulder to cover Colorado and Dion and
Speaker 2: Shador and I told this anecdote Monday after the draft
Speaker 2: where when we were down, well.
Speaker 3: It was Vegas Big twelve Media Day this year is
Speaker 3: in Dallas.
Speaker 2: When we were in Vegas for Big twelve Media Day,
Speaker 2: we're on radio row, We're interviewing players and coaches, Kenny Dillingham.
Speaker 2: You know, you go down the list and it was
Speaker 2: a pretty docile environment. Intel boom. You look over, double
Speaker 2: doors open. Six cameras are following Shador and Shiloh and
Speaker 2: Dion as they walk in, and suddenly the circus isn't town.
Speaker 2: And if you're running a front office, if you're a
Speaker 2: general manager, you don't want the circus in town for
Speaker 2: somebody you perceived to be as a backup quarterback, like
Speaker 2: all things being equal, unless you're a generational talent, unless
Speaker 2: you're Peyton, unless you're Andrew Luck, and there are no
Speaker 2: questions about who you could be as a quarterback all
Speaker 2: of your variables really need to be in place, and
Speaker 2: it seemed like a lot of the variables surrounding Shador
Speaker 2: were question marks that were never fully answered.
Speaker 1: Well, he existed in a biodome of he existed a biodome.
Speaker 1: Great movie, by the.
Speaker 3: Way, right, solidy, we could go there, we could.
Speaker 1: He existed in this reality that was cultivated from the
Speaker 1: get go, having always been coached by his dad, Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer, you know, bombastic human being, like like a
Speaker 1: plus genius and messaging. But to your point, yes, like
Speaker 1: what this was was this was the ultimate reminder that
Speaker 1: the NFL has the zeroest time for bs. I wish
Speaker 1: I could have said it like it would have been
Speaker 1: a good one.
Speaker 3: It would have been a good one to land right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just do not suffer fools. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying Shadoor is a fool. I'm just saying, like they
Speaker 1: do not have time for the pomp and circumstance, like
Speaker 1: you are expected to get in line and adhere and
Speaker 1: granted there. You know, there have been some characters over
Speaker 1: the years, but like think about recently, like who who
Speaker 1: came into the league with a lot of kind of fanfare,
Speaker 1: but a lot of questions like Johnny mansiin is a.
Speaker 3: Great one, perfect one?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, And you know, you know, different set of circumstances,
Speaker 1: different set of issues, But like, what would be really
Speaker 1: fascinating would be go into a multiverse and be like,
Speaker 1: if Shador doesn't play for Dion, if Shador goes to
Speaker 1: play at Oregon State, or does he go play at
Speaker 1: you know, Texas Tech or a different school, does this
Speaker 1: conversation change Because he's a he is a You can't
Speaker 1: say he's not a good quarterback. He's a good quarterback.
Speaker 1: But the line of delineation that I found fascinating after
Speaker 1: his fall is so many people were like, you shouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised by Dion sanders slide, or should or Sanders slide?
Speaker 1: Look at the tape. If that's the argument, then why
Speaker 1: were we projecting him as a first round pick all along?
Speaker 1: I understand that he had a circumstance where he played
Speaker 1: for his dad, who obviously prioritized the offense around him
Speaker 1: to make him look good, but they failed to recruit
Speaker 1: offensive lineman two years in a row. He was running
Speaker 1: for his life. He was the most sacked quarterback in
Speaker 1: college football the last two years he held the ball
Speaker 1: way too long, but he could make some throws. I'm
Speaker 1: absolutely one hundred percent confident by saying this, like if
Speaker 1: should or gets a shot like he will not look terrible.
Speaker 1: There's a chance he might not pay out, but it's not.
Speaker 1: He's not going to be the least prepared quarterback in
Speaker 1: the history of the NFL. But he was brought in
Speaker 1: in a system that catered to his every need, both
Speaker 1: on the field and off the field. When I was
Speaker 1: at Colorado's pro day last year or fall camp media day, sorry,
Speaker 1: Dion spoke, and then the other two people that got
Speaker 1: on the dais were who Travis not Travis? Oh?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 1: Chador and Shiloh Oh come on, that doesn't surprise you.
Speaker 1: And again going back to the biodome, the ecosystem, I've
Speaker 1: used that word a lot today. It's fun when you're
Speaker 1: when you're brought up this way in like kind of
Speaker 1: just the the prince who was promised. Once you get
Speaker 1: to the NFL, all that stuff goes out the window.
Speaker 1: And one thing that I'm really interested in is like
Speaker 1: Deon knows this. He lived that life, but he didn't
Speaker 1: lift that life at the level lit Shadoor's gonna have
Speaker 1: to because he's playing quarterback right, which is a position
Speaker 1: that takes on a life of its own. It's so
Speaker 1: much more pressure than cornerback. Dion could could, you know,
Speaker 1: go one on one with Chris Carter or Andre Risen
Speaker 1: or Jerry Rice. But like Shador, if he's going to
Speaker 1: get a shot, like he's gonna have to go up
Speaker 1: against the Baltimore Ravens defense and the Steelers defense by himself,
Speaker 1: this is a totally different ballgame. I don't think we're
Speaker 1: ever going to see something like this again, which is
Speaker 1: why I think the draft coverage was so intense. It
Speaker 1: was burning white hot on this issue. But it was
Speaker 1: very tiresome and it and it turned into I guess
Speaker 1: you could say good TV for the folks at NFL
Speaker 1: Network in ESPN because everybody was waiting at baited breath
Speaker 1: for where Shador going to go. But you can make
Speaker 1: an argument that the entire weekend was hijacked by this. Well.
Speaker 2: Andrew Marshawn from your outlet from the Athletic wrote a
Speaker 2: great piece on the mel Kuiper meltdown. Because I'll be honest,
Speaker 2: watching mel meltdown was fun. It was good television. I mean,
Speaker 2: even though it it kind of distracted from what we
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Speaker 3: All right, a couple more draft things before you catch
Speaker 3: a break.
Speaker 2: Is it an indictment at all that Caleb Lohner was
Speaker 2: the only you drafted and no BYU players are drafted?
Speaker 3: Or is this just a moment in time. It's a
Speaker 3: great question.
Speaker 1: I was talking with this about this with Porter while
Speaker 1: you were on your last segment. What are the odds
Speaker 1: that the only dude between both schools, both rivals who
Speaker 1: is drafted is a former basketball player that played basketball
Speaker 1: at both of those schools.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna go the logical route and say
Speaker 1: it's lightning in a bottle. But you're looking at back
Speaker 1: to back years now where Utah didn't have much NFL talent.
Speaker 1: BYU's different because a lot of their guys either transferred
Speaker 1: in the portal or stayed. I mean most of their
Speaker 1: guys stayed, honestly, But I don't know, like, off the
Speaker 1: top of my head, who would have gone really all
Speaker 1: that much higher than Caleb, even at BYU, Like.
Speaker 3: I thought Junior would be drafted Tifuna.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean he he came. It all depends
Speaker 1: on who you play with. Man Junior played with a
Speaker 1: lot better talent his early years at the U than
Speaker 1: his later years. And when you play with better players,
Speaker 1: they're going you're going to look better because they're going
Speaker 1: to make you look better. Yeah. I don't know if
Speaker 1: if Chase would have been I mean he probably would
Speaker 1: have maybe six seven rounds, six seventh round. But like,
Speaker 1: other than that, it's a really fascinating team if you
Speaker 1: really think about it, because like they were so good,
Speaker 1: but they don't have because the Etien kid didn't get drafted. No,
Speaker 1: it didn't. So yeah, it's I think i'll say lightning
Speaker 1: in a bottle moment. But for Utah, there was a
Speaker 1: time where it was like every year you're kind of
Speaker 1: relied upon to have a top three round pick. Now
Speaker 1: next year it'll be different because Spencer Fano is likely
Speaker 1: a top ten pick. But there was a time during
Speaker 1: Utah's you know, PAC twelve run for the demise of
Speaker 1: the conference, where you were looking at four or five
Speaker 1: guys going from you know, rounds two to six every
Speaker 1: single year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of them landed. I thought Batty
Speaker 2: would be drafted. I thought Tyler Batty was gonna get drafted,
Speaker 2: and a lot of them landed on their feet. Conra
Speaker 2: O'Toole got one of the richest like undrafted deals with Seattle.
Speaker 2: I think he got like three hundred k guaranteed with
Speaker 2: a signing bonus. But yeah, it's just always interesting to consider.
Speaker 2: I guess we should shout out Jalen Royals, who was
Speaker 2: draft from the fourth round by the Chiefs.
Speaker 3: Fano is a top ten pick. Is that what we're here?
Speaker 1: My guy Dan Brugler has him as a top.
Speaker 2: Ten Really okay, very nice. Well, hopefully it is just
Speaker 2: a moment in time. All right, we'll catch a quick break.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, that was the last time I saw Cam publicly.
Speaker 1: Was I think he went with a couple of former
Speaker 1: Utah and BYU players.
Speaker 3: Porter.
Speaker 2: Have you heard anything about the future of one young
Speaker 2: Cameron Rising.
Speaker 4: No, I think that's kind of the question right now
Speaker 4: last night. Just to be clear, last I talked to
Speaker 4: Cam was in January, so at that point he wasn't
Speaker 4: necessarily training for an NFL team, So I don't necessarily
Speaker 4: know what the next move is for one Cam Rising.
Speaker 2: I honestly thought he'd make like three hundred grand and
Speaker 2: go play quarterback for like Sacramento State or something. Well,
Speaker 2: they just got Jaden Rashata. It was just a hypothetical.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, not that school, per se. But didn't
Speaker 2: you think that maybe you go play another year of
Speaker 2: college football?
Speaker 1: Maybe? But man, I mean, we've talked about the sad nauseam,
Speaker 1: but the amount of serious injury back to back to back,
Speaker 1: it was a lot. Yeah, I imagine that the mental
Speaker 1: component is as hard, if not harder than the physical
Speaker 1: part at this point.
Speaker 2: Do you think there was any conversation at all about
Speaker 2: him coming back to Utah?
Speaker 1: I guess would be.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: It felt like it was.
Speaker 2: Just one of those things like, hey, this has been great,
Speaker 2: give you a hug, go on your way, right.
Speaker 1: Well, there's still guarantee that Cam wants to still play. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's what I mean. No, for sure? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean my guess would I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to guess. But we have to
Speaker 1: prepare for and the eventuality that football will not work
Speaker 1: out for a lot of people. And you know, Cam
Speaker 1: reached some incredible heights, but like I said, to go
Speaker 1: through the amount of injuries that he'd went through in
Speaker 1: his career, just a Utah alone is a lot.
Speaker 3: Do you think the time of.
Speaker 2: College football college basketball programs building their programs with athletes
Speaker 2: and players that we all get to know over the
Speaker 2: course of two, three, four, five years is just completely done?
Speaker 2: Because when you look at the history, well, and this
Speaker 2: isn't just a Utah thing, but if we're you're going
Speaker 2: to use our local example as the home of the U,
Speaker 2: it's family on three the basketball program, you know, the
Speaker 2: teams that were the best and the teams that everyone
Speaker 2: remembers Van Horn, britt Andre, three four year guys. The
Speaker 2: best football teams we had were guys that stayed here two, three,
Speaker 2: four years.
Speaker 3: They were upperclassmen.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And you know it's not just.
Speaker 2: Success, but it's also this thing in the community where Hey,
Speaker 2: Britain's a senior or Cameron's camraisings like, Okay, they're coming back.
Speaker 3: Do you think those days are over?
Speaker 1: Nor your guy at Yukon's coming back for a senior year?
Speaker 1: That yeah. I mean the guy who was a lottery
Speaker 1: pick projection just a couple of years ago. I guess
Speaker 1: he likes Dan Hurley a lot.
Speaker 2: It's also getting paid a little money, so played.
Speaker 1: A little getting paid a little money. I mean, one
Speaker 1: thing I will say about in a little bit of
Speaker 1: a caveat On. You know the the PAC twelve title
Speaker 1: teams is like a lot of those teams were transfers.
Speaker 1: Cam was a transfer. S Quinn Jackson was a transfer. Yep.
Speaker 1: A lot of guys who are part of that team
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily start out as utes. I think college basketball
Speaker 1: still has a chance because the roster size is small
Speaker 1: enough you can afford in theory to pay a decent
Speaker 1: amount of nil money to players who want to stay
Speaker 1: and make money rather than risking rolling the dice and
Speaker 1: go into the NBA. And depending on where you go
Speaker 1: to school, the house settlement could benefit basketball players like
Speaker 1: pretty well yeah, I mean like I would imagine the
Speaker 1: house settlement will help yukon basketball more than it will
Speaker 1: uk on football.
Speaker 2: Well, and Richie Saunders announces he's coming back, and the
Speaker 2: reports are that's a seven figure deal. How about BYU
Speaker 2: basketball if all the reports are true, paying between thirteen
Speaker 2: and fifteen million dollars for their roster next year?
Speaker 1: Is that true? Well, I mean I was told, I
Speaker 1: was told, I was told that b WHYU doesn't prioritize.
Speaker 2: Well, well, they also out love, and out develop and
Speaker 2: outserve everybody. Okay, yes, indeed we know all of that.
Speaker 2: But Jeff Goodman is the one that reported the Baylor
Speaker 2: kid is getting three mil aj debands to seven mil
Speaker 2: for five months of basketball. That's ten Richie gets seven figures.
Speaker 1: There's stays on campus shout out, you gotta go, you
Speaker 1: gotta go down to campus. You gotta get some some
Speaker 1: swigs with aj.
Speaker 2: I'll go, I'll crush some uh, what's the cookie company,
Speaker 2: Crumble crumble or chip I'll crush.
Speaker 1: It's not idea, it's a remote.
Speaker 2: It's an excellent idea. I wish I would have thought
Speaker 2: of it. Zach Wilson bought a bunch of chips, I
Speaker 2: think with his New York Jets money. But yes, I
Speaker 2: mean all of the lovely ancillary BYU.
Speaker 3: We love everybody, out serve everybody.
Speaker 2: Things aside, if you just do the math based off
Speaker 2: the reports thirteen.
Speaker 1: To fifteen min it makes sense just because it's so
Speaker 1: it's so front loaded or you know, top loaded, with
Speaker 1: with AJ getting that much money, you're probably never gonna
Speaker 1: pay that again to another, you know, number one crew
Speaker 1: in the country unless your guy, Kevin k why my guy,
Speaker 1: my guy, unless he manages to strike gold twice and
Speaker 1: keeps this thing rolling. But I mean, even if you
Speaker 1: take AJ out of the equation, then you're saying you're
Speaker 1: paying seven to eight million dollars for the rest of
Speaker 1: the roster. That still makes sense and probably is necessary
Speaker 1: in a conference like the Big twelve.
Speaker 2: See, that's the thing, and that's why I don't get
Speaker 2: the Steve Bannon muddy the waters flood the zone with
Speaker 2: misinformation and then the deflection about what's really going on.
Speaker 2: I don't understand why the culture just can't embrace and
Speaker 2: be honest and authentic about what's really happening. And the
Speaker 2: reason I don't get it is that it's not a
Speaker 2: bad thing. To your point, if you want to keep up,
Speaker 2: it's what you have to do. Like Utah should be
Speaker 2: so lucky to be paying this roster thirteen to fifteen
Speaker 2: mil and they're good, Like BYU is going to be
Speaker 2: a top five team next year, and it's because they
Speaker 2: have deep pockets, it's not because they outlove everybody.
Speaker 3: Just stop saying things like.
Speaker 1: That, is BYU a final fourteen? It could be? Is
Speaker 1: is I don't I'm coming in. I'm coming on the
Speaker 1: drive with zero AJ debonsa tape Are you Are You? Is? Like?
Speaker 1: Is he the surefire number one? The following he's awesome?
Speaker 1: Like he is he as guaranteed the number one pick
Speaker 1: in the twenty sixth draft, as Cooper Flag was for
Speaker 1: the twenty.
Speaker 2: Five No, because there's another kid in that draft that's
Speaker 2: thought to be on his level. Okay, but everything I've
Speaker 2: seen on tape, because you know me, grind, grind on
Speaker 2: the tape.
Speaker 1: Give me, give me your cump, give me your spench. Check.
Speaker 2: He's he's a Lebron type wing. He's a Durant type wing.
Speaker 2: He is a Kawhi type wing. He is all of
Speaker 2: six 't eighty sixty nine. He's got a big body,
Speaker 2: and even at his age, he doesn't need to fill
Speaker 2: out much. I mean usually when we see seventeen eighteen
Speaker 2: year old great players, it's like they got to put
Speaker 2: on ten to fifteen pounds. Aj is big, He's strong,
Speaker 2: he can handle it, he can shoot it. He finishes
Speaker 2: on the break, he finishes with force, and he guards
Speaker 2: three or four positions. He's awesome. Can he shoot He
Speaker 2: can shoot it. There's nothing he can't do. The only
Speaker 2: thing he has to improve on is incrementally on everything
Speaker 2: that he he's already awesome at, and then learn how
Speaker 2: to play against men in the NBA. But no, he's
Speaker 2: surefire like BYU fans are gonna love him. He's awesome.
Speaker 2: He's all that.
Speaker 1: So you think he'll be able to handle the pressure
Speaker 1: of playing Utah twice a year question?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the pressure of the Huntsman Center
Speaker 2: might get to him. But no, I mean it's he's
Speaker 2: worth every penny they're paying him. I just don't understand
Speaker 2: why people can't say it out loud, like what are
Speaker 2: you hiding? What are you trying to deflect from? Is
Speaker 2: it like an embarrassment, like they don't want to admit
Speaker 2: that they're outbidding everybody. I just don't understand the dynamic
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I don't know if it's an embarrassment. I
Speaker 1: just think you lean in long enough to an approach
Speaker 1: to things that maybe you feel like you're portraying all
Speaker 1: the legwork that you've done up until this point. But
Speaker 1: I agree wholeheartedly. I mean Kirk Bowles, who is a
Speaker 1: Austin based calmnist who's covered University of Texas for a
Speaker 1: long time. He's not the Houston Chronicle. He reported today
Speaker 1: from several sources that he anticipates Texas spending as much
Speaker 1: as forty million dollars on their football team this year.
Speaker 2: And it's what you gotta do, yep, you know, And
Speaker 2: all of the pearl clutching right about not wanting to
Speaker 2: admit this is what's happening.
Speaker 3: You should lean into it.
Speaker 2: One caveat that I think is important to make, and
Speaker 2: maybe this is the sensitivities of the culture of Brigham
Speaker 2: Young is that maybe there's an idea that the church
Speaker 2: up here on South Temple or whatever is writing the checks,
Speaker 2: and we should be very clear that's not happening, right.
Speaker 2: These are Crimson or Royal Blue or whatever the current
Speaker 2: nil stuff is down there. These are wealthy donors that
Speaker 2: donate to the collective that are paying the bills. The
Speaker 2: checks aren't coming from the church. Maybe that's what people
Speaker 2: are sensitive about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I guess any school, not Utah,
Speaker 1: any school would be lucky to have that amount of
Speaker 1: money at their disposal to build a basketball program, and
Speaker 1: a competitive one at that.
Speaker 2: Is b YU currently paying more for their basketball team
Speaker 2: than RSL is paying for their soccer team.
Speaker 1: Are we counting transfer fees?
Speaker 3: Yes, ooh, probably that's wild to consider.
Speaker 2: I wanted to get this because we talked about it
Speaker 2: off air, one more football thing before we kind of
Speaker 2: move on, because one of the conversations that you hear
Speaker 2: post draft are NFL gms and executives turned off at
Speaker 2: the way Shador handled the process. And there simply is
Speaker 2: no other league or any other sport that has this
Speaker 2: kissed the ring protect the shield field kind of like,
Speaker 2: you know, quite like football, would you agree with that?
Speaker 2: Like the NFL protect the shield, kiss the ring. There
Speaker 2: is this like cultish feel around football and if you
Speaker 2: don't handle yourself, well, nobody's bigger than the Shield in
Speaker 2: the NFL, like nobody is.
Speaker 1: Well. Yeah, And there's a reason why it took And
Speaker 1: this is a very dark turn, but it's the reality.
Speaker 1: If there's a reason why it took so many tragedies
Speaker 1: in the world of CTE, why it took a movie
Speaker 1: like Concussion, why it took something as severe as deaths
Speaker 1: of former players for anybody to even remotely challenge the league, right,
Speaker 1: And there's lots of guys who are still afraid to
Speaker 1: talk about it because they're afraid of being shunned or
Speaker 1: being excommunicated, or being viewed as the type of person
Speaker 1: that doesn't respect or you know, have this devout loyalty
Speaker 1: to the quote unquote shield. It's it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: What is it about football that breeds the religious man?
Speaker 1: We don't have enough time for that.
Speaker 3: Oh we do, we do.
Speaker 2: But there's something different even about fandom.
Speaker 1: Man, and it's man in it's man in the arena.
Speaker 1: It is our modern day Gladiator, and I'm and I'm
Speaker 1: throwing out all the cliche bs. This is not stuff
Speaker 1: I believe, but this is stuff that some people believe.
Speaker 1: Most of it is living vicariously through athletes and people
Speaker 1: that they'll we know will never be able to be
Speaker 1: fast enough or strong enough, or good enough or talented enough.
Speaker 1: And it's a great question because you can make an
Speaker 1: argument that it's leveled up significantly even in the last
Speaker 1: like twenty five years. I don't. I'm sure this comes
Speaker 1: along with the advent of the Internet and social media
Speaker 1: and the explosion of media rights and basically being able
Speaker 1: to watch every game, But why do you have to
Speaker 1: spend five hundred dollars on NFL network or in red
Speaker 1: zone red zone? Yeah? Like, and people pay it like
Speaker 1: it's not even a second thought. I gotta watch my Jack,
Speaker 1: I gotta watch Jaguars, I gotta watch the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 3: Yeah you don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something even about fandom where you see people
Speaker 2: visit their favorite NFL arena for the first time and
Speaker 2: openly weep, or go to the Rose Bowl for the
Speaker 2: first time and openly cry. And then there's the whole
Speaker 2: media race to prove who's the hornyess for football when
Speaker 2: fall comes, which is just.
Speaker 1: Like it's booky man, it is it is. It is odd. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that sounds like a story.
Speaker 2: I should explore that our football guys is uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right in there.
Speaker 1: No, I was just saying, it's me. Oh, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm most ready for Porter goes to Jerry World and
Speaker 1: he's just like ready to take out.
Speaker 2: As orders a card carrying member of the Church of
Speaker 2: Football and Saturdays and Sundays and look, I love football.
Speaker 3: I've always my whole life, I've loved football.
Speaker 2: But whenever anything starts to feel cultish, I tend to
Speaker 2: go the other way. I'm like, Okay, that's a little
Speaker 2: weird because still at the end of the day, we
Speaker 2: are talking about children's game in college played by mostly children. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that is consumed by people that make it their entire identity,
Speaker 2: and when the season ends, it's like they're lost.
Speaker 3: They're wandering in this abyss. They don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, little story tease for you, which has been a while.
Speaker 3: What finally, because you don't tweet them out anymore.
Speaker 1: I spent a day with Dan Mullen in Vegas last week.
Speaker 1: Nice and we talked about this okay, and what we
Speaker 1: can talk about it more next week after the peace
Speaker 1: comes out. I think it's supposed to come out on Monday.
Speaker 1: But Dan was very transparent and honest about the grind
Speaker 1: and the drain of the reality of football and college
Speaker 1: football and the sec and how beneficial it was for
Speaker 1: him to be away from it and enjoy it. Like
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, if you're good at TV, it's fun.
Speaker 1: Dan was good at TV, was yeah, and he probably
Speaker 1: could have been on ESPN for another twenty years and
Speaker 1: been good. He told me that as much when I
Speaker 1: was in Vegas. But it is fascinating to get the
Speaker 1: perspective from guys who get a break from it and
Speaker 1: then get back into it because they're they're basically challenging
Speaker 1: themselves again again to try to not let what happened
Speaker 1: the first time happen again.
Speaker 2: I'm interested to hear his thoughts and read what you
Speaker 2: have to say, because nobody can live up to the
Speaker 2: pressure of being a deity. If you're a football player
Speaker 2: and a football coach and these fans in your community
Speaker 2: treat you like you like you walk on water, that
Speaker 2: has to be exhausting to deal with day in and
Speaker 2: day out.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think Dan had had a quote where he
Speaker 1: was like, in the sec if you win, people will
Speaker 1: be good job. But if you lose, it's like you
Speaker 1: walked in the front door and kick their.
Speaker 3: Dog, for sure.
Speaker 2: For sure. You know there's there's a little bit of
Speaker 2: that with what happened with Utah football year ago. You know,
Speaker 2: coach Waite has spoiled this community so much that one
Speaker 2: down year I.
Speaker 1: Mean victim of your own circumstances success, Yeah, and you'd
Speaker 1: rather take that ten times out of ten, because if
Speaker 1: you don't have success, you don't have the job.
Speaker 3: In the first place anymore, for sure.
Speaker 1: But perspective is important, man. It's important in fandom, it's
Speaker 1: important in everyday life. And I want to believe people
Speaker 1: are smart enough to understand where it fandom fits and
Speaker 1: how a potential kid in the transfer portal may or
Speaker 1: may not affect a season, or how you know, recruit
Speaker 1: who has Utah on their top five may or may
Speaker 1: not affect the longevity of the program. But I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: this is a reality check episode. If we really I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what we got to do.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 1: We gotta get we got to get Spencer Hall on.
Speaker 1: We got to get some sports psychologists on and we
Speaker 1: really got to get into the nitty gritty well.
Speaker 2: And the other interesting dynamic is, just like other religious elements,
Speaker 2: the more you can convince people that what you are
Speaker 2: selling them is paramount to their very existence, the quicker
Speaker 2: they're going to pull out their checkbook and say where
Speaker 2: do I sign? And that's the lifeblood of college football programs.
Speaker 2: The donors, your season ticket holders, people in your community
Speaker 2: that preach at the Oak Duke calm down. My dog
Speaker 2: has a humping habit, which we're working on. If you
Speaker 2: want to see my dog hump Chris on YouTube, go
Speaker 2: ahead and sign on.
Speaker 1: Let's get to ten. Let's get to ten viewers.
Speaker 2: But the more you can convince people that the altar
Speaker 2: with which they are worshiping is actually a real thing
Speaker 2: that benefits their life, the more that they're going to donate,
Speaker 2: and the more money you have, and therefore the more
Speaker 2: you can keep up.
Speaker 1: And in a way, the present day model of college
Speaker 1: athletics benefits universities at that level way more than it
Speaker 1: ever has. Sure, Yeah, because you can go into these
Speaker 1: meetings with boosters and folks that potentially can get out
Speaker 1: their checkbook and be like, you can make a difference, right,
Speaker 1: you can help us land so on and so forth.
Speaker 1: And if we get this guy, our fortunes are changed.
Speaker 2: Forever and you will be known as the person that
Speaker 2: helped us do this. And therefore you will be a
Speaker 2: member in the community where other community members look at
Speaker 2: you as the shining bright north Star. Yeah, and that
Speaker 2: that that creates an identity that people the crave. You
Speaker 2: want to be the season ticket older, the booster that
Speaker 2: wrote the check that had led Devin dan Pier to
Speaker 2: sign here. Then suddenly you're a hero amongst your community
Speaker 2: that is worshiping at the altar of Utah football. But
Speaker 2: no other sport has this. Maybe European soccer, but no
Speaker 2: other sport really has this feel where people would It
Speaker 2: feels like they would dive for the team they cheer for.
Speaker 1: Oh it's yeah soccer for sure. Yeah, not just soccer worldwide.
Speaker 2: Good good segue Oka, Right, last few minutes we have
Speaker 2: you here.
Speaker 1: So wait did you get did you go to the game?
Speaker 3: Oh, the vibes were high, So San die.
Speaker 1: Tell me about because they played at San Diego State Stadium.
Speaker 3: San Diego State Stadium.
Speaker 1: How it like did it look Okay?
Speaker 3: It did.
Speaker 2: It looked better than I was expecting at San Diego.
Speaker 2: So it's gorgeous no matter what. But mountains in the
Speaker 2: backdrop are beautiful. I don't know that that's sustainable long term,
Speaker 2: but you know, I guess according to what I was told.
Speaker 2: The turf takes a lot of abuse and beating throughout
Speaker 2: the course of the year, but the conditions look great.
Speaker 3: The crowd was pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was a football stadium, they were kind
Speaker 2: of scattered, but I would say all in there was
Speaker 2: probably eighteen nineteen thousand people there through out the course
Speaker 2: of the stadium. But the lads get all three Diego
Speaker 2: with the brace your guy. We saw our big Willie
Speaker 2: Goles come on as a sub sat next to Johnny
Speaker 2: Russell for a little portion of the game.
Speaker 3: My man's intense. He's got a great beard, but vibes
Speaker 3: are good.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Three points on the road. Here we are with the lads, all.
Speaker 3: Right, here we go.
Speaker 1: I know, no, no, no, try you just got me.
Speaker 1: Is there anybody else on this roster that can level
Speaker 1: up to the level that Diego Luna can level up to,
Speaker 1: Because if if Ursela is going.
Speaker 3: Amaca was really good.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I guess I should quantify it by saying, like,
Speaker 1: in the attacking third, is there anybody that's a problem, Well,
Speaker 1: what about big Willy goals had had a pretty good chance.
Speaker 1: He did put it. I think, I mean it's probably
Speaker 1: a field goal, it's probably an extra point.
Speaker 3: He died it. Yeah, he got ensolved it or.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can rely on those types of
Speaker 1: performances every single week from my guy. Like there's one
Speaker 1: guy in the world that you can do do that
Speaker 1: within his name's Lionel Messi, and even at thirty seven,
Speaker 1: he's still doing it in this league. But other than that,
Speaker 1: it's just not realistic. And who knows, maybe Agata's addition
Speaker 1: changes things. I am fascinated to see what the what
Speaker 1: the attack looks like when he's that number nine. But
Speaker 1: our sales problem now is not in the attacking third,
Speaker 1: Like they're down like three or four center backs and
Speaker 1: like that vera collision, dude, Yeah, like wow, like that
Speaker 1: was some scary, like straight gone, like you could immediately
Speaker 1: tell when the other team comes over and like freaks out.
Speaker 1: That's when you, like I think of when I think
Speaker 1: of Gordon Hayward's broken foot. Like, I don't think of
Speaker 1: everybody else. I think of what Lebron did, You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Because like it when it resonates with
Speaker 1: the opponent on the level, that's like visceral. That's when
Speaker 1: you know it's bad. I don't I don't know what
Speaker 1: his availability will be that for this week because it
Speaker 1: was so Yeah, I would assume that he should probably
Speaker 1: be held out because he was knocked out cold. But
Speaker 1: Glad was hurt. Somebody Kobe Kobe Henry's been hurt for
Speaker 1: like a month now. I guess Quinton was having some
Speaker 1: cramping issues or something like. And now you have to
Speaker 1: go to Vancouver, who plays tonight plays Miami tonight in
Speaker 1: the in the Conker caf Semis. So maybe you get
Speaker 1: those guys tired on the you know, second leg of
Speaker 1: their two game week in Vancouver. But you're still going
Speaker 1: to play the best team in the West, maybe the
Speaker 1: best team in the conference, on the road in a
Speaker 1: place where historically you haven't been very good.
Speaker 3: What's realistic to expect?
Speaker 2: I mean, Johnny Russell in his prime was really good
Speaker 2: for SKCS thirty five. He's been without a club for
Speaker 2: seven months. I was told by my guy, my guy
Speaker 2: Pobs that he was impressed with his initial conditioning. He's
Speaker 2: not as far behind as they thought. I don't know
Speaker 2: if he's available this Saturday, thirty five years old, right,
Speaker 2: So what's reasonable to expect from from Johnny.
Speaker 1: Russell on the field or off the field?
Speaker 3: Well both, if you like.
Speaker 1: On the field, I would say that left footed gold
Speaker 1: dangerous player late in games, probably shouldn't be starting because
Speaker 1: you have younger wingers. I mean even a kid like
Speaker 1: Xavier Gozo who are in the start in San Diego, Like,
Speaker 1: these are guys you need to bring along. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think you know the segue to why I ask
Speaker 1: for off the field is like you need guys like
Speaker 1: Johnny Russell who've scored sixty goals in this league or
Speaker 1: whatever to kind of teach a lot of these young
Speaker 1: guys the ropes and you know, give them advice on
Speaker 1: how to handle things and how to go at certain
Speaker 1: defenders on the field. Like I would guess that Johnny
Speaker 1: Russell could still stand over a free kick and hit
Speaker 1: it with his left foot and peg it pretty well.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if he's going to be in
Speaker 1: for a seventy minute work shift where he's busting his
Speaker 1: ass up and down the line the way Pablo wants
Speaker 1: his wingers to play well.
Speaker 2: And your point, Diego is clearly head and shoulders above
Speaker 2: everybody else and kind of has to make miracles happen
Speaker 2: every game if they're going to have a chance to compete.
Speaker 2: And the summer window will open, but by the time
Speaker 2: it closes, there's just not a lot of time. Eight
Speaker 2: or nine gait or nine games left, all right, One
Speaker 2: more thing here. The headline on ESPN dot com is
Speaker 2: Mammoth gaff question mark Utah Mama.
Speaker 3: Name after leak.
Speaker 2: So we have a situation where the hockey club change
Speaker 2: their social handles, but it was not supposed to be
Speaker 2: for public consumption to Utah mammoth Uh. This is the
Speaker 2: same operation that leaked the Jazz yellow jerseys too early
Speaker 2: and then try to walk it back to say, wait,
Speaker 2: Purple's back to this is embarrassing, like what's.
Speaker 1: People just need to be on the same page. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm of the opinion that it should just be Utah
Speaker 1: Hockey Club. I feel an imperpetuity forever and I will
Speaker 1: I will drive this steak into everyone's heart. We are
Speaker 1: a state known for fossils, but we're they're dinosaurs, right,
Speaker 1: Come on, man, Like the entire Eastern Utah is known
Speaker 1: for just a bleep ton of dinosaur fossils, mammoth, what
Speaker 1: are we doing? Yeah, I will say, I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: very difficult to have a perfect sinked out roll out
Speaker 1: in terms of moving things over bing bong bing bong.
Speaker 1: One who's weird enough to notice that stuff at like
Speaker 1: eleven pm? Come on, guys, go to sleep. You know,
Speaker 1: I watch some you know, righteous Jempstones or something. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's not great to me. The bigger misstep is
Speaker 1: the name as opposed to the cand rollout.
Speaker 2: I would agree, but both of them are embarrassing.
Speaker 3: But I guess maybe Purple is back.
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