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<v Speaker 1>Bro. I like the glasses.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good minute.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the glasses, I said.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ, give me a second.

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<v Speaker 3>You can really tell he's going to seminary.

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<v Speaker 2>Where does that place Henry Jefferson, who's number two?

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<v Speaker 1>See number two?

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<v Speaker 4>Because me, Hey, they can only be one number one

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<v Speaker 4>and one number two. I life made Jefferson number two

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<v Speaker 4>long before I come along.

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose that the Puerto Ricans are number.

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<v Speaker 4>Three, then well no, not necessarily shouting it that little girl.

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<v Speaker 4>Your porto Vecans could be four, your draction, your change

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<v Speaker 4>could be three.

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<v Speaker 5>Welcome to the first glob culture of twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>I am John putt Or. It's in New York, in Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>d C.

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<v Speaker 5>Jonah Goldberg Him, Jonah'm John, Hello John Jonah. I just

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<v Speaker 5>want to introduce everybody to your new angle, the new

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<v Speaker 5>Jonah Goldberg glop angle. You were used to having a

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<v Speaker 5>little window over Jonah's shoulder, his basement window, and now

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<v Speaker 5>he's just turned the camera around and we have this

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<v Speaker 5>beautiful bookcase very much mirroring my bookcase behind me. So

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<v Speaker 5>Jonah and your bookcase, welcome to twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. I didn't I was not aware that any

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<v Speaker 3>glop there were glop viewers. Do we actually put this

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<v Speaker 3>video out anywhere?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know now that I think about it.

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<v Speaker 5>No, So you guys don't know what a thrilling change

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<v Speaker 5>this is.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like Charlie.

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<v Speaker 5>This is like the fact that one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 5>stars in radio was a ventriloquist, Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy.

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<v Speaker 5>He was a ventriloquist on the radio.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how good his material was.

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<v Speaker 5>By the way, it really was good material. He was

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<v Speaker 5>hilarious and it was very interesting. But he was a

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<v Speaker 5>ventriloquist on the radio.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course, speaking here, all ventriloquists insane. And that

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<v Speaker 2>the the the dummy sat at Thanksgiving table and he

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<v Speaker 2>moved the room. He loved the dummy more that he

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<v Speaker 2>loved his own daughter, Candice Bergen.

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<v Speaker 5>Who wrote a very good memoir about being Charlie McCarthy's sister.

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<v Speaker 2>My I can say that I can tell the story

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<v Speaker 2>now because.

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<v Speaker 3>About mime on radio, because I would really like to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>That loocause both I think both the both the people

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<v Speaker 2>involved are dead.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Cannis Bergen died, right, did she?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess maybe not?

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, I don't think she's dead.

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<v Speaker 2>But okay, well, but she does the gloss.

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<v Speaker 3>She won't hear about it from it won't be like

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<v Speaker 3>she's dead.

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<v Speaker 2>She one year for the Emmys, Kirsty Alley was up

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of felt that she deserved it. We sort

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<v Speaker 2>of sugar too. She had a really great season. She's

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<v Speaker 2>done some great stuff. And so was cannis Bergen for

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<v Speaker 2>Murphy Brown. So Christy Alley for Cheers Murphy Brown, Cantisburg

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<v Speaker 2>for Verney Brown and uh. Kursey grew up in Kansas,

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<v Speaker 2>in the kind of rural Kansas, and her dad owned

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<v Speaker 2>a giant lumber yard, and which when she lost her

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<v Speaker 2>auter a Emmy party, I think a few people would

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<v Speaker 2>want and and she stood up a chance. hYP I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think she was drunk. I don't think she didn't drink.

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<v Speaker 2>And but she's outragyou his eyes want to say too,

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<v Speaker 2>cannis Bergen's father had one little wooden puppet. My father

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<v Speaker 2>owned a whole freaking lumber yard.

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<v Speaker 1>See, this was the thing. She of course made one

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<v Speaker 1>of the great probably that's Rob Long, of course.

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<v Speaker 5>Speaking here from Prince to New Jersey, she did make

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<v Speaker 5>one of the great award speeches sort of when she

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<v Speaker 5>did win, when she thanked her now long ex husband

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<v Speaker 5>she divorced him not that long after. But when she

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<v Speaker 5>said that she wanted to thank her husband, Parker Stevenson

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<v Speaker 5>for giving her the big one all these years, a

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<v Speaker 5>memorable forty years later that she said that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then at the Emmy party he arrived, not the

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<v Speaker 2>Emmy party, sorry, the Premiere party, which happened after the

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<v Speaker 2>Emmys in September. He arrived. We've had it at Chasin's.

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<v Speaker 2>He came in. It was a kind of a joke.

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<v Speaker 2>He came into the room late carrying a big inflatable

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<v Speaker 2>number one. He said, Oh, Kirsty, you left this in

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<v Speaker 1>Good it's good material.

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<v Speaker 2>See one of the hardy boys on the Hardy Boys.

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<v Speaker 5>He was indeed one of the hardy boys with uh

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<v Speaker 5>was it Sean Cassidy?

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<v Speaker 3>Sean Cassidy that sound that sounds right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We're three old.

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<v Speaker 5>Guys, three old guys talking as usual about being old.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what, now we can make it a

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<v Speaker 2>point like things were. We could actually literally say with

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<v Speaker 2>an all truth. You know what, things made more sense

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<v Speaker 5>That that is totally true. So here here is my

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<v Speaker 5>last five days just for your understanding. And this will

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<v Speaker 5>maybe be of interest to Jonah's ideological tracking. So, of course,

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<v Speaker 5>the horrible thing happens where Renee Good is shot in Minneapolis,

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<v Speaker 5>obviously a terrible tragedy of errors for all concerned. My

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<v Speaker 5>initial impulse watching the film is that the officer in

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<v Speaker 5>question was justified and the shooting the car was turned

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<v Speaker 5>toward him, and he already told she was costplaying she

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<v Speaker 5>should get out of the car, and you know, and

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<v Speaker 5>having like two days of being yelled at for having

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<v Speaker 5>bad opinions and my yelling back at people for them

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<v Speaker 5>having bad opinions and all this, and then like last

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<v Speaker 5>night I watched for the seventy five thousandth time, like

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<v Speaker 5>one of the videos, and I did have this moment

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<v Speaker 5>of the things made more sense back to and where

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, you know, why are these ice agents?

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<v Speaker 5>Why do they look like they're about to go into Flujah?

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<v Speaker 5>Like you know, you know, I because I was so

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<v Speaker 5>caught up in the it's not fair, fair, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>they're murderers. And then in Minneapolis is going to go

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<v Speaker 5>up again like George Floyd and having that fun.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I just did have the this.

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<v Speaker 5>Is really like where these are federal laws, Like what's

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<v Speaker 5>wrong with a nice uniform? They could just wear like

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<v Speaker 5>a uniform that's aid ice on it without a mask,

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<v Speaker 5>and like I'm looking like they're a swat team. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>They're just immigration and Customs enforcement officers.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not Delta.

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<v Speaker 5>They're not the Delta force that was my journey over

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<v Speaker 5>the where And then I'm like, you know, things don't

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe maybe it's justified because they are people are dosing people,

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<v Speaker 5>get facial ide recognition, and then people don't come to

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>But nonetheless, what the hell is what I'm saying?

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<v Speaker 3>See, I am to keep this on pop culture rather

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<v Speaker 3>than getting into a contentious gold dress versus blue dress

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<v Speaker 3>kind of fight about the rachaman that was the shooting.

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<v Speaker 3>The analogy I keep using is like this is like

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<v Speaker 3>Fred Thompson in Hunter Road October where he's standing up

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<v Speaker 3>on the crow's nest of the ship saying this is

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<v Speaker 3>going to get out of hand and people are going

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<v Speaker 3>to die. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Think the shooting was legally justifiable, which does not mean

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<v Speaker 3>it was the best procedure. Right. I think it was

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<v Speaker 3>out of policy, but he was not. He's not a

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<v Speaker 3>murderer and she is not a domestic terrorist.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>But when when you have the rhetoric from both sides,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't think it's equal, but when you have

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<v Speaker 3>the rhetoric from both sides being so outlandish, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>get more of this, right, just the law of large

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<v Speaker 3>numbers is just gonna get more of this. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>a Baptist and bootleggers kind of situation right where the

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<v Speaker 3>Trump administration wants more resistance. They love talking about how

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<v Speaker 3>they are so against it, but they want more hysteria,

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<v Speaker 3>more crisis, more sort of reasons to invoke Alien whatever

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<v Speaker 3>Act and all that kind of stuff they want. They're

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<v Speaker 3>really pissed that Antifa isn't doing a bigger job, a

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<v Speaker 3>better job of like provoking them, and there are a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of people who want to provoke them. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>like Normans who just want to have like nice uniforms

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<v Speaker 3>on people like we got we got nothing here because

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<v Speaker 3>it's just it's it's cultivated freaking craziness.

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<v Speaker 5>Rob as our resident clergyman, could do provide words of

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<v Speaker 5>comfort and wisdom, evoking the greatest and noblest of sentiments

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<v Speaker 5>of human nature.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you can, but if you can keep it

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<v Speaker 3>up with the waterfront kind of language, the doc worker

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<v Speaker 3>language you're using at the beginning, that would be gay.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't mind. I'm not ashamed of that language.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a priest.

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<v Speaker 2>We say to h at the beginning of every episcopal ceremony,

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<v Speaker 2>to say, the college for purity. You know, we say

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<v Speaker 2>to God, to whom all hearts are open, all desires known,

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<v Speaker 2>from whom no secrets are hid, so like he already

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<v Speaker 2>knows that he's this language. I was asked to do

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<v Speaker 2>just that yesterday speaking Johns'd like to make Someone said,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you What could you possibly say about all this?

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<v Speaker 2>And I will say, I have no idea except that

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<v Speaker 2>I think Joan is right that we live in oily rags,

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<v Speaker 2>dry garage country right now and seems to be walking

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<v Speaker 2>around light and matches and including the president of the

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<v Speaker 2>Commander in Chief, which seems very strange to me. This,

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<v Speaker 2>all of this beats destroys my general theory of life,

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<v Speaker 2>which is that people just kind of want to these

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<v Speaker 2>kind of want to try the temperature down all the

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<v Speaker 2>time that were exhausted. And I kind of feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that America is exhausted. I think America

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<v Speaker 2>is just rare to go and.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it America.

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<v Speaker 5>That's of course the ultimate difficult question to answer is

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<v Speaker 5>does the ordinary workaday America wants to be living in

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<v Speaker 5>this hothouse lunatic asylum. I assume the answer is no,

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<v Speaker 5>but I have no confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree. I thought the answers are too. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>the answers still know and we're just living in a

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<v Speaker 2>strange amplification time. I would just say, like, since you

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned the clergy, there's a guy who does this great

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<v Speaker 2>subsett called graphs about religion, and he does he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want a couple months ago, and it basically he just

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<v Speaker 2>does a lot of meta analysis of Pew data and

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<v Speaker 2>Nielsen data and sort of like big study cultural study data,

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<v Speaker 2>and he be came a really interesting look the different

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<v Speaker 2>to the political outlook. Disparity between people in the pews

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<v Speaker 2>and people in the pulpit is immense in the mainland

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<v Speaker 2>in the mainline Protestant churches, people in pews are like

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<v Speaker 2>sixty five percent identify as Republican or independent, and basically

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<v Speaker 2>the independent thing is I'm a Republican. I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to say I am. Yeah, that's what it always is, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And like seven percent identify as demert the piscical churches,

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<v Speaker 3>You should talk to Russell Moore at some point. Russell

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<v Speaker 3>has these stories because you know, a lot of pastors

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<v Speaker 3>have these stories about how they would give their sermon

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<v Speaker 3>out of here, you know, and all that left wing stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's like, what are you talking about? You talk

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<v Speaker 3>about turning the other cheek. Yeah, and he's like, you

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, there's like there's a lot of stuff like

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that's food for struggle and should be in in

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<v Speaker 2>the in the pulpit instead. I mean there are people

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<v Speaker 2>It's what's strange about it to me is that, like, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>give my kid a better grade. And that I think

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<v Speaker 2>people are resorting to and I'm not sure where they're

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<v Speaker 2>a great tragedy. We didn't you know, or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>internet or whatever, there's a web neutrality, like it's just

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<v Speaker 2>do talk about web neutrality and Paris Climate Accords from

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<v Speaker 2>the pulpit, you you know, you're not gonna have that

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<v Speaker 5>So if we defall to our comfort zone, which is

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<v Speaker 1>The question is what would TJ. Hooker have done?

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<v Speaker 5>And this is I think I'm not joking when I say,

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<v Speaker 5>and the guy is going, get off my windshield, man,

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<v Speaker 5>in like that. That is, we live in a world

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<v Speaker 5>in which we've spent fifty years watching nonsense depictions of

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<v Speaker 5>cops and chases and cars in which nothing that actually

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<v Speaker 5>of course, car chases are always in movies about how

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<v Speaker 5>a car smashes into another car and then guess what,

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<v Speaker 1>Like a speed bump, it gets.

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<v Speaker 5>A flat tire, but you need to pull over and

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<v Speaker 5>wait for triple A, you know. Whereas in the Lethal

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<v Speaker 5>Weapon movies they jump off a half finished ramp off

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<v Speaker 6>Forty yeah, none of those bad guys are irritating committedly

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<v Speaker 6>irritating lesbian mom who are protesting the bad guys are.

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<v Speaker 1>Like evil the South Africans.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people, right, they're.

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<v Speaker 5>Just camantic community. Joss Alan leath a weapon too.

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<v Speaker 2>There was during the little window where all all criminals

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<v Speaker 3>Right, just one correction, you know, okay, on the t

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, oh, t J was on the side, was on

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<v Speaker 1>Adrian's med something like that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, my fer was wearing like a bathing suit. She

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<v Speaker 5>happened to be staying there in her bathing suit instead

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<v Speaker 2>She was wearing a child's halloween cop of a cop favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's okay, here this is you asked t J Hooker,

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<v Speaker 2>was an episode of t Hooker. I don't recall this

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<v Speaker 3>About Tijuana or okay, should never minding.

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<v Speaker 2>The story the plot, but let's just stipulate bad guy,

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<v Speaker 2>Hooker finally caught him up, caught him and he was

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<v Speaker 2>finally caught him. But he was truly evil, committed murder

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<v Speaker 2>of some terrible kind. And Hooker is holding him is

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<v Speaker 2>screaming at him, holding him. Resist the rest, Please, Beggy,

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<v Speaker 2>you resist your rest and he doesn't do it. And that,

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<v Speaker 2>I think is how it works in te j Hooker Land,

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<v Speaker 2>that the cop admittedly wants to do something but is

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<v Speaker 3>So well, I've been recent I think I mentioned this

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<v Speaker 3>I'm fascinated by these scenes. It's in Colombo. I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's probably an Ironside and a few others, but where

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<v Speaker 3>there's the confrontation at the end, right, oh, just one

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<v Speaker 3>more thing, right, And Colombo gets the murderer not to

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<v Speaker 3>not only confess right because they figured out the crime right,

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<v Speaker 3>and but also that this person who committed various heinous

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<v Speaker 3>could definitely kill or beat in a fight, and they

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<v Speaker 3>have nothing to lose, right. I mean, it's like it's

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna go to the chair or spend a life

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<v Speaker 3>in prison, or I'll kill Colombo. And it never occurs

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<v Speaker 3>to one of them to like, hey, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>It never occurs to Jack to take off his ascot

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<v Speaker 5>But of course, but of course, of course, all that

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<v Speaker 5>of course feet intellectuals and upper class geniuses, and they

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<v Speaker 5>you know, we could kick Richard Kylee's ass or you know,

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<v Speaker 5>while he's mister, you know, the head of a corporation.

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<v Speaker 1>Columbo's like a street cop, right, and who knows what's

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<v Speaker 5>He could have a he could have a walther in

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<v Speaker 3>And one in one of these carnival owners curb stomp Shaggy.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, come on, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, fair enough, damn fair enough.

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<v Speaker 5>They're too busy pulling off the mask and then trying

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<v Speaker 5>with it. Well, although you know Scooby again, Scooby very

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Scooby is a great day like Scooby. What

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<v Speaker 1>happens if Scooby gets mad?

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<v Speaker 2>It's still an animal.

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<v Speaker 5>I know, we gets scared and his teeth chatter and

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<v Speaker 5>everything like that. But if Shaggy were really threatened.

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<v Speaker 3>So it'll be awesome. Like you know how they're making

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<v Speaker 3>all these horror movies of a Betty Boop or whatever

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<v Speaker 3>because they're out of copyright. We just have to wait

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<v Speaker 3>another thirty years for some really dark Scooby doo.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, Scooby, Scooby is actually a pit bull and like

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<v Speaker 2>Or just Scoo porn. I wonder if redd It has

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<v Speaker 3>There's an Internet rule. It's like rule forty eight or

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<v Speaker 3>something like that that says, if you can imagine a porn,

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<v Speaker 3>it already exists.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can imagine a porn and it doesn't exist,

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<v Speaker 2>it can exist with a few prompts into a porn

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<v Speaker 2>generator that you probably already subscribe to. I mean you

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<v Speaker 3>And leading porn generators.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye right, it's a one hand.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm pretty sure too hander is theatrical show bite

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<v Speaker 2>It, John, if you pay a little bit more, you

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<v Speaker 2>get a two hander. Anyway, So we uh, we were

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<v Speaker 2>briefly uh uh. Peter Falals, who played Columbo, his agent

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<v Speaker 2>called out the head of the studio to say, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I've read the script. It's great, Peter wants to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And the head of the studio had been at Universal

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<v Speaker 2>ran Universal for a long time and knew Peter fought

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<v Speaker 2>very well from Colombo and from some subsequent things. And

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<v Speaker 2>That's how he who he is. And as long as

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<v Speaker 2>you know that, I'm telling you he'd be great in

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<v Speaker 2>the show. But I'm telling you this, and and he's

428
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<v Speaker 2>worth also, I'm telling you, and I will, he said,

429
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<v Speaker 2>I will put this in writing too. You can never

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<v Speaker 2>call me to complain. I told you.

431
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<v Speaker 1>This is the head of the studio, or this is

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<v Speaker 1>the chairman of the chairman.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yes, right, okay, well carry all right, Well you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but we still want to explore it. We have a

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<v Speaker 2>meeting with Well, you're not gonna have a meeting with

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<v Speaker 2>him till you you tell you you you make him

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<v Speaker 2>an offer, and then you know. So we said, we

438
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<v Speaker 2>went back to the age, said, listen, were really interested

439
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<v Speaker 2>in Peter. We just kind of want to talk a

440
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<v Speaker 2>little bit more about how it all works out. Can

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<v Speaker 2>we have a meeting? And then A said, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>know what you're talking about because you work with you.

443
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<v Speaker 2>I know you because carry the guy name was Rand

444
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<v Speaker 2>the studio is carry my cluggage and then you work

445
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<v Speaker 2>over carry out and so then so then he said, well,

446
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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to send you his his his his, his

447
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<v Speaker 2>financial and procedural proposal, which is a phrase we never heard.

448
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<v Speaker 2>And we get this messenger comes and delivers to us

449
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<v Speaker 2>into the studio, this like very thick document of what

450
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<v Speaker 2>his absolutely non negotiable demands are, which includes every TV

451
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<v Speaker 2>cliche from the nineteen seventies. He basically didn't know we

452
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<v Speaker 2>were in a comedy in front of an audience, so

453
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<v Speaker 2>he said, and the show will end with a freeze

454
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<v Speaker 2>frame on me, laughing with executive producer Peter Falk.

455
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<v Speaker 1>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was fantastic madness from a guy who was like, well,

457
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<v Speaker 2>when I do a TV show, here's what happens. And

458
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<v Speaker 2>this is gonna TV show, so here's what's gonna happen.

459
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<v Speaker 2>He you know, uh needs to say. We didn't go

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<v Speaker 2>with Peter. We went with another great actor, Judd Hirsh,

461
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<v Speaker 2>which was a delight and incredibly fun and funny and

462
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<v Speaker 2>completely bananas in a wonderful way. But like Peter hawk'shrop,

463
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<v Speaker 2>am I the only one? And I think I am.

464
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<v Speaker 2>But you guys, I know you guys are not on

465
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<v Speaker 2>TikTok right, not right?

466
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<v Speaker 5>I mean my kids send me them, but I don't.

467
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, on TikTok and and I wrote about this

468
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<v Speaker 2>in commented briefly but it actually I should have read

469
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<v Speaker 2>a whole column about it because it's really fascinating and

470
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<v Speaker 2>it is a real thing. There are short multi part dramas,

471
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<v Speaker 2>usually serialized dramas. They are the worst pieces of crap

472
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<v Speaker 2>in your life. The writing is not AI would do better.

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<v Speaker 2>They sound like they are translated from the Turkish and

474
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not kidding some of them are.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they are literally translated from Chinese.

476
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<v Speaker 2>Like some of them are shot in the Far Valley

477
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<v Speaker 2>in La.

478
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Every now and then you'll see an actor that you thought, wait,

480
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<v Speaker 2>I think I read that woman like thirty years ago.

481
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<v Speaker 2>They are actually a way, they are making money and

482
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<v Speaker 2>there's a business here. But if you ever wanted to

483
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<v Speaker 2>see anything, I mean, you know, we and I we

484
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<v Speaker 2>all send each other like stupid clips from YouTube, from

485
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<v Speaker 2>old billy crappy TV shows because they're hilarious. This is

486
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<v Speaker 2>another level. This is stuff that's so bad no one

487
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<v Speaker 2>will ever no one will ever think it's funny bad.

488
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<v Speaker 2>It's just weirdly shot and over the top. But they

489
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<v Speaker 2>spend three cents and you could tell they spend three

490
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<v Speaker 2>cents on it. And I fear, like everything else, the

491
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<v Speaker 2>crappy version of what we thought was already crappy but fun,

492
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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be the reality, not just in show

493
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<v Speaker 2>business but in politics and everything else.

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<v Speaker 5>So I went the step of subscribing to one of

495
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<v Speaker 5>these services on my iPad. It's called Real Shorts. Yeah,

496
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<v Speaker 5>that's what I'm and so it's out of China. It's

497
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<v Speaker 5>some kind of Chinese product. And what they have is

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<v Speaker 5>it's essentially a movie that has been cut into sixty

499
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<v Speaker 5>two to seventy two segments of a minute to two each,

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<v Speaker 5>and they promote them on TikTok by putting a couple

501
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<v Speaker 5>out and then you have to subscribe to see the

502
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<v Speaker 5>rest of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're so dumb. They're all like, yeah, the CEO

504
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<v Speaker 2>is coming to the gala, the chairman is coming, and

505
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<v Speaker 2>we're going to and there's always like this weird that

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<v Speaker 2>you murdered my daughter, give all your assets. All that's

507
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<v Speaker 2>written with's crazy stuff. It can never really happen.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, no, it's not even that. It's also it's also

509
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<v Speaker 5>like a woman and another woman. Yeah, she's the secretary

510
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<v Speaker 5>and the other woman is the boss, and she's like,

511
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<v Speaker 5>I am the boss, and then she will slap the

512
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<v Speaker 5>other woman across the face and say, now you will

513
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<v Speaker 5>bring me your shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. It's like because it all does.

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<v Speaker 5>Literally translated from Chinese.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's a guy that's an American guy doing it,

517
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<v Speaker 2>and I think he's doing so he's his quality slightly better.

518
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<v Speaker 2>But what's about it is that the the the evil

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<v Speaker 2>is so bald, is so like unrestrained. It's like, yeah, nothing,

520
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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna be in the gutter. You don't belong in

521
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<v Speaker 2>this gallon looking the way you do this is where

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<v Speaker 2>it school. One one woman gives another somebody a credit card.

523
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<v Speaker 2>He looks, just go to by god, this credit card.

524
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<v Speaker 2>Why the bank he issues this to this its most

525
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<v Speaker 2>prestigious customers. With his credit card. Yeah, with his credit card,

526
00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:14.920
<v Speaker 2>you could do whatever you want.

527
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<v Speaker 5>Anyway, it is these things are and so yeah. So

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<v Speaker 5>there is an interesting debate going on if you want,

529
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<v Speaker 5>if you listen to industry podcasts, everyone in the entertainment,

530
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<v Speaker 5>as Rob writes about in the upcoming issue of Commentary

531
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<v Speaker 5>and others like, there is a sense of apocalypse that

532
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<v Speaker 5>every modality that has run the American entertainment industry is

533
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<v Speaker 5>eighteen months away from complete collapse. That's not to say

534
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:49.960
<v Speaker 5>there won't be an entertainment industry. There will, and it

535
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:52.960
<v Speaker 5>will continue. And the more people want to be entertained

536
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<v Speaker 5>by more stuff on screens than ever before. The only

537
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<v Speaker 5>reliable driver of entertainment at the moment is sports. So sports,

538
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:07.759
<v Speaker 5>any sports league is making unbelievable bank, including sports that

539
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.359
<v Speaker 5>don't particularly rate like baseball, and the and the NBA

540
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<v Speaker 5>are getting home and Cornhall cornhole could be there could

541
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<v Speaker 5>be a competitive cornhole league anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>It goes on.

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00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:23.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I probably spent all weekend, well watching Cornhole.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean so yes, So there's a sense of

545
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<v Speaker 5>apocalypse and so people. I was listening to this podcast

546
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<v Speaker 5>with Jeff Sigansky, who ran CBS and is now an

547
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<v Speaker 5>investor and was very very very intelligent, and he he

548
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<v Speaker 5>was saying basically that cable is now television. Streaming is

549
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<v Speaker 5>now cable. So what is going to be streaming? In

550
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<v Speaker 5>other words, what's the thing now that everyone's gonna want

551
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<v Speaker 5>that they never had before? And he said there are

552
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<v Speaker 5>two things. One is free streaming, which is to be Pluto,

553
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<v Speaker 5>the services, which is just TV. Now that is like

554
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<v Speaker 5>you watch TV and there are commercial on that. My

555
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:08.000
<v Speaker 5>money's on that.

556
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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, okay.

557
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<v Speaker 5>But so in other words, the third forty year experiment

558
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<v Speaker 5>of making you pay for things you can get for

559
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<v Speaker 5>free is now flipping on its head, and now you're

560
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<v Speaker 5>gonna get everything free again with ads like none of

561
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<v Speaker 5>this ever happened. You're just gonna watch it on your

562
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<v Speaker 5>computer screen instead of on a television. But you might

563
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<v Speaker 5>be able to watch it on television because you can

564
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<v Speaker 5>watch an app on your television. Or there are gonna

565
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<v Speaker 5>be these new cheaper forms of media produced that the

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<v Speaker 5>real shorts thing you're talking about is probably like it's

567
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<v Speaker 5>like the garbage that it's like it's like community theater,

568
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:51.880
<v Speaker 5>and they'll figure out how to up it so that

569
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<v Speaker 5>it's more like Broadway over time.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the hope is and I talked about HBO

571
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<v Speaker 2>because there's the guy. He wants to talk about it

572
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<v Speaker 2>like it. Their hope is that it somehow gets to

573
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<v Speaker 2>be the quality of say a the old show Small Wonder.

574
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<v Speaker 5>That would be like that is the revolutionary change, that's right.

575
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:19.200
<v Speaker 5>And so you remember when streaming, when streaming shows first

576
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:22.319
<v Speaker 5>started and streaming movies first started, it was like these

577
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:24.880
<v Speaker 5>are terrible, right except for House of Cards. Like then

578
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:27.359
<v Speaker 5>House of Cards came on. They spent two hundred million

579
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<v Speaker 5>dollars on House of Cards and it was it was

580
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:31.680
<v Speaker 5>pretty good. So then we were like off to the races.

581
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<v Speaker 5>But like streaming shows were some version of this and

582
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<v Speaker 5>was like I'll never do a stream you know how shocking,

583
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<v Speaker 5>like the only people who ever do streaming shows or

584
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<v Speaker 5>ya da da da da. And when Adam Sandler made

585
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:45.680
<v Speaker 5>the deal to make movies for Netflix ten to eleven

586
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:48.240
<v Speaker 5>years ago, was like, Adam Sandler, this just proves that

587
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:49.559
<v Speaker 5>Adam Sandler's finished.

588
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:51.960
<v Speaker 1>He can't get a movie office.

589
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:55.519
<v Speaker 5>His career is over, and he's made a billion dollars

590
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:59.799
<v Speaker 5>through Netflix, making movies on Netflix when comedies died.

591
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:01.279
<v Speaker 1>At the cinema. And so.

592
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:05.119
<v Speaker 5>But it's interesting because I'm telling you my wife's in

593
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:08.599
<v Speaker 5>the business. Rob's in a bit like the sense that

594
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<v Speaker 5>five years from now, everything that we understand to be

595
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:16.039
<v Speaker 5>the way entertainment has structured. All this stuff. You're hearing

596
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:20.720
<v Speaker 5>fights about the Warner Brothers Paramount merger or whether Netflix

597
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.640
<v Speaker 5>is going to buy Warner Brothers. It's all narsch Kite,

598
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:28.279
<v Speaker 5>it's all deck chairs on the Titanic. Something new is

599
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:31.400
<v Speaker 5>going to replace all of this, and it's coming faster

600
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:41.599
<v Speaker 5>than anybody realizes. And the great joke is Hollywood like

601
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:45.400
<v Speaker 5>gave birth to the new California, and now it's one

602
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:49.559
<v Speaker 5>hundred years later and nothing is being made in California.

603
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:54.519
<v Speaker 5>Rob Lowe makes a game show called The Floor Game Show,

604
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:59.759
<v Speaker 5>the cheapest thing on television because of union deals, and

605
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:03.200
<v Speaker 5>it's union deals and the cost of doing anything in Hollywood.

606
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:06.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're gonna fly everybody to Ireland.

607
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, to film the Floor.

608
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

609
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:12.119
<v Speaker 2>It's actually everything upside down because it used to be

610
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:14.480
<v Speaker 2>that the word The last thing you want to do

611
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:16.599
<v Speaker 2>is fly anybody, because that was the most expensive thing.

612
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<v Speaker 2>And now of course it's it's been flipped, and there

613
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:21.079
<v Speaker 2>are a whole bunch of reasons for that. I'm not

614
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:24.079
<v Speaker 2>quite sure that it's not entirely the unions and those deals.

615
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:26.640
<v Speaker 2>It's other stuff too. But what's bizarre to me and

616
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:28.400
<v Speaker 2>interesting to me is that like when I was like,

617
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:32.759
<v Speaker 2>remember when things was streamingly started, and like, look, this

618
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<v Speaker 2>is the early like two thousand and six, thousand and eight,

619
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<v Speaker 2>right around the first big strike or the first big

620
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<v Speaker 2>strike of the twenty first century, and I spent a

621
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<v Speaker 2>lot of time in Silicon Valley its meeting a lot

622
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:44.359
<v Speaker 2>of people, and they were like very excited about how

623
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.640
<v Speaker 2>the internet was going to change the way you know,

624
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:51.519
<v Speaker 2>people watch TV and along with bringing us all together

625
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.799
<v Speaker 2>as a as a brotherhood of man. And I remember

626
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:57.720
<v Speaker 2>thinking like that could that could easily happen and they

627
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<v Speaker 2>were allen disrupting this, disrupting that. I remember having conversation

628
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<v Speaker 2>a venture capitalist friend of mine. Here's like, why do

629
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<v Speaker 2>you when you're if you're gonna do a pilot, why

630
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:07.319
<v Speaker 2>don't you go to everyone involved and just get them

631
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:09.920
<v Speaker 2>to take you raise a little bit of money and

632
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:12.079
<v Speaker 2>get everybody to have a stake in the upside, right,

633
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:13.960
<v Speaker 2>and then you're all like, then if then goes that

634
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:15.480
<v Speaker 2>you can make you all make money, why don't you

635
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:17.559
<v Speaker 2>do that? Like, then you could then you keep your

636
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<v Speaker 2>what eye you could be you could keep fifteen, twenty

637
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:25.840
<v Speaker 2>thirty percent and I already get thirty percent. He says, yeah,

638
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:27.880
<v Speaker 2>but I mean this way, you'd get thirty percent, and

639
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:30.519
<v Speaker 2>you you could other people could get what they're already

640
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:32.719
<v Speaker 2>paying me in an astronomical amount of money plus giving

641
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:34.960
<v Speaker 2>me thirty percent. It's like, why would.

642
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:37.199
<v Speaker 1>I just take the thirty percent?

643
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:41.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And his response was, oh, you guys, Oh you're

644
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:44.559
<v Speaker 2>you're you're in for it. You're sense at all. And

645
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:46.599
<v Speaker 2>it's true, it doesn't make any sense, but it is.

646
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<v Speaker 2>Those are exactly the deals that Netflix is making. And

647
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:51.039
<v Speaker 2>when when Silicon Valley moved down to Hollywood, it's not

648
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:55.880
<v Speaker 2>like Hollywood changed, Silicon Valley changed. Like when Netflix is

649
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:58.159
<v Speaker 2>buying a studio that it doesn't need to buy for

650
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:03.039
<v Speaker 2>no reason, for zero reason, do you know that the

651
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:07.800
<v Speaker 2>allure of show business is too great? It doesn't many sense?

652
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:08.559
<v Speaker 2>But there.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, so Joan, you and I have a disagree. So

654
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:19.800
<v Speaker 5>there's a movie. There are two movies this year, very

655
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:24.679
<v Speaker 5>controversial in many ways. I think are the like the

656
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:27.119
<v Speaker 5>last movie in other words, like there are movies that

657
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:30.760
<v Speaker 5>were exciting to me in ways that movies haven't been

658
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:34.239
<v Speaker 5>in a long time. They're big, they have big canvases,

659
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:40.119
<v Speaker 5>they're beautifully cast, brilliantly said. They're long, they're involving, they're melodramatic,

660
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:43.320
<v Speaker 5>they're rich, kind of thing that made me love movies

661
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:44.079
<v Speaker 5>in the first place.

662
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:45.239
<v Speaker 1>I like them.

663
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:48.079
<v Speaker 5>You don't like them, But I do think that there's

664
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<v Speaker 5>something very interesting that they represent the end of something

665
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:53.480
<v Speaker 5>and not the beginning. They're not a model for the future.

666
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:56.519
<v Speaker 5>They are the last gasp of a past that's one

667
00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:59.440
<v Speaker 5>battle after another, which will likely win the Oscar for

668
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:02.440
<v Speaker 5>Best Picture and Marty Supreme, which will likely win Timothy

669
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:07.000
<v Speaker 5>Shallomy the Oscar for Best Actor. Do you agree with

670
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:09.960
<v Speaker 5>me that there is something, given that you are a

671
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.880
<v Speaker 5>moviegoer as I am, that there's something different about them

672
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.679
<v Speaker 5>in the scale, the ambition, the way they are made,

673
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:22.360
<v Speaker 5>that hearkens back to some golden age in some weird way.

674
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:25.440
<v Speaker 5>And then of course you look at it and you say, well,

675
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:27.920
<v Speaker 5>there's no This is not anything anyone's ever going to

676
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:30.760
<v Speaker 5>do again, because nothing can ever make enough money at

677
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:34.239
<v Speaker 5>the box office to justify the budgets that these things cost.

678
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:37.440
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and look up, there are things about both movies

679
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:39.000
<v Speaker 3>that I think are very well done, right. I mean,

680
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:44.079
<v Speaker 3>I think Shallomy probably deserves the Oscar right, but uh,

681
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:49.880
<v Speaker 3>you're right, first of all, just they feel like they're

682
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:52.039
<v Speaker 3>shot on film, you know. I mean, I don't mean

683
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:57.480
<v Speaker 3>that they're shot on film in the technical sense. They

684
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:02.760
<v Speaker 3>have that look. They have a cinematic vibe to them

685
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:09.480
<v Speaker 3>that does feel like a throwback, you know, sort of

686
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:14.880
<v Speaker 3>like they almost DePalma's cinematographer or whatever, you know, like

687
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:17.079
<v Speaker 3>that kind of feel the way. I agree with that,

688
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:24.360
<v Speaker 3>and I agree that both movies, particularly Marty Supreme, hold

689
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:30.400
<v Speaker 3>your attention, which is something these days. I will cut

690
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:37.239
<v Speaker 3>to the chase and simply say my my overarching problem

691
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:41.679
<v Speaker 3>with both of them is that I didn't like any

692
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:45.679
<v Speaker 3>of the characters like as people like, like Marty is

693
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:48.119
<v Speaker 3>a just a is a schmuck right now, I know

694
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:50.280
<v Speaker 3>he's supposed to be a schmuck, right, and and Leon

695
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:53.320
<v Speaker 3>DiCaprio and one about after another, he's a loser, and

696
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:58.960
<v Speaker 3>he's supposed to be a loser. But I also like,

697
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:04.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to put on my John podorit's hat here.

698
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:08.480
<v Speaker 3>But like I feel like at this moment in the

699
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:13.920
<v Speaker 3>plight of American jewry, to make a movie that was

700
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:23.280
<v Speaker 3>so redolent of pushy jew uh sort of obnoxiousness, is

701
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:25.559
<v Speaker 3>was just it was a it was a choice, you know,

702
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:30.000
<v Speaker 3>and it made me on Like watching Marty Supreme felt

703
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:32.440
<v Speaker 3>like in some ways, you know, one of my favorite

704
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:35.840
<v Speaker 3>German words is is fem shaman, which is the feeling

705
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:39.679
<v Speaker 3>of being embarrassed for somebody else in like all eight

706
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:42.119
<v Speaker 3>seasons of the Office are based on that feeling, right

707
00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:43.920
<v Speaker 3>we just oh my god, I can't even look kind

708
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:46.400
<v Speaker 3>of feeling. Yeah, that's how I felt about this, Like,

709
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:49.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, sort of semi iconic are supposed to be

710
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:53.480
<v Speaker 3>iconic American jew for two hours in the movies, and

711
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:55.039
<v Speaker 3>I was like, is this really the time that we

712
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:56.159
<v Speaker 3>need to like do this?

713
00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:59.920
<v Speaker 2>But wait, so Timothy shall Make plays a Jewish guy.

714
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:03.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, so.

715
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:06.079
<v Speaker 2>How it feels like jew face to me?

716
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:09.960
<v Speaker 3>He is Jewish?

717
00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:16.119
<v Speaker 1>Really, yeah, He's halochically Jewish. His mother is Jewish.

718
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, he just is this pure PRETENTI okay.

719
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.199
<v Speaker 5>Well, you know Jews are very can be very pretentious.

720
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:29.360
<v Speaker 5>I assure you that we you know you, you goam,

721
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:33.760
<v Speaker 5>do not have the corner on pretentiousness. I will defend

722
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:36.559
<v Speaker 5>it as follows versus a movie, we'll deal with the

723
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:39.760
<v Speaker 5>Jewish thing. I am almost of the opinion, though I

724
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:42.880
<v Speaker 5>understand the idea that it's a dislikable character, which I

725
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:47.320
<v Speaker 5>don't mind, because you know, the anti hero is a

726
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:54.079
<v Speaker 5>figure anything, you know, Tony Spratt, whatever. This is a

727
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:57.599
<v Speaker 5>movie that is a sports movie, a gangster movie, a

728
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:02.039
<v Speaker 5>kidnapping movie, a dog movie, a com a romantic comedy,

729
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:11.840
<v Speaker 5>a comedy about adultery, a crazy family story, a.

730
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:15.119
<v Speaker 1>Shootout, a this that rich guy.

731
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<v Speaker 5>Screwing other people, theater in the nineteen fifty Everything in

732
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:23.599
<v Speaker 5>this movie. It's like, I almost have the if you

733
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:26.880
<v Speaker 5>don't like this, you don't like movies, because it moves

734
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:30.039
<v Speaker 5>like a freight train. It does forty things at once.

735
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:34.679
<v Speaker 5>They are all quite brilliantly rendered and talk about like

736
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:37.639
<v Speaker 5>the end of an end of career, like this is

737
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:41.119
<v Speaker 5>the last gasp. The guy who did the production design.

738
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:43.599
<v Speaker 5>This movie set in nineteen fifty two, so and it

739
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:49.400
<v Speaker 5>goes from Brooklyn to Manhattan, to Tokyo to Britain to

740
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:57.440
<v Speaker 5>Staten Island, and it the art direction, the incredible verisimilitude.

741
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<v Speaker 3>I agree, that's all wonderful. I agree with.

742
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:04.039
<v Speaker 5>It was done by a man named Jack Fisk, who

743
00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:09.559
<v Speaker 5>is eighty years old and was the production designer on

744
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:12.719
<v Speaker 5>bad Lands, Terence Alex's.

745
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:15.360
<v Speaker 1>First movie fifty four years ago.

746
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:20.199
<v Speaker 5>And did Days of Heaven. And like he's actually he's

747
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:23.599
<v Speaker 5>Sissy's basics husband. He is one of the greatest art

748
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:27.320
<v Speaker 5>directors who ever lived, and like this is his almost

749
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:30.880
<v Speaker 5>like culminating masterpiece of work. And he was one of

750
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:35.000
<v Speaker 5>these seventies new cinema geniuses. And here he is with

751
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:38.440
<v Speaker 5>this quite young director, Josh Saftie, who I think is

752
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:43.159
<v Speaker 5>forty and you know, making this movie. And Safti said

753
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:46.079
<v Speaker 5>something really interesting, which I thought, So, this is a

754
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:50.400
<v Speaker 5>movie huge cat, very big panoramic cast, goes to a

755
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:54.679
<v Speaker 5>lot of different settings. Safti was obsessed with making sure

756
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:57.840
<v Speaker 5>that the faces of the people that were seen on

757
00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:01.719
<v Speaker 5>screen look like they existed in nineteen fifty two, because

758
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:04.719
<v Speaker 5>he said, when I see a period movie and I

759
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.400
<v Speaker 5>see someone, I look at them and I say, oh,

760
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:09.599
<v Speaker 5>that's a guy who could like be on the Lower

761
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:12.800
<v Speaker 5>East Side today and not in nineteen fifty two.

762
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Takes me out.

763
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:17.320
<v Speaker 5>I'm done, Like my suspension of disbelief is shot. And

764
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:20.840
<v Speaker 5>the care with which all of that is done. And

765
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:25.400
<v Speaker 5>he does this crazy casting like the big the famous

766
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:28.559
<v Speaker 5>thing is that he cast Kevin O'Leary of Shark Tank

767
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:31.559
<v Speaker 5>as the as the villain, someone who's never acted before,

768
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:33.079
<v Speaker 5>who is sensationally good.

769
00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:35.199
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to dislike him, but I couldn't.

770
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:39.280
<v Speaker 5>And George Garvin, the Iceman basketball player of the eighties

771
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:42.159
<v Speaker 5>as the guy who owns the ping Pong parlor in

772
00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:45.320
<v Speaker 5>Midtown and there's like all over the place. Like the

773
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:47.679
<v Speaker 5>casting is remarkable.

774
00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:50.199
<v Speaker 3>So it's funny as a side note it because it reminds

775
00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:53.000
<v Speaker 3>me of conversation you and I had where I was watching,

776
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:56.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, twenty minutes of Godfather for the twelfth billionth time,

777
00:42:56.360 --> 00:42:59.079
<v Speaker 3>and I texted you to say, you know, one of

778
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:01.360
<v Speaker 3>the most remarkable things about this is that it's full

779
00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:05.599
<v Speaker 3>of ugly people. Yeah, and like the the girls that

780
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:09.039
<v Speaker 3>Sonny is boffing, you know at the wedding whatever is

781
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:11.039
<v Speaker 3>is not a looker, and all that kind of stuff

782
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:14.280
<v Speaker 3>and the people and it was and you pointed out

783
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:15.920
<v Speaker 3>that it's this casting agent who did it all. But

784
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:19.400
<v Speaker 3>like that thing about looking like you belong in that

785
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:23.199
<v Speaker 3>period is a real thing, Like you know there.

786
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:25.679
<v Speaker 5>But Diane Kete, that's an interesting thing about Diane Keaton

787
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:30.599
<v Speaker 5>and the god Diane Keaton, the cutest woman in America

788
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:38.679
<v Speaker 5>in nineteen seventy two, whom Coppola deliberately planes up. She's

789
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:41.280
<v Speaker 5>given a bridge to make her teeth stick out a

790
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:44.559
<v Speaker 5>little bit. She's got a really ugly hairdoo like the

791
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:50.519
<v Speaker 5>same year she was in Sleeper, like Enchanting. He knew

792
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:55.239
<v Speaker 5>the whole point of Ka was that she was He

793
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:58.119
<v Speaker 5>wanted her because she was like this waspy New England girl.

794
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:03.440
<v Speaker 5>But she wasn't supposed to be some alluring sex goddess.

795
00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:07.400
<v Speaker 5>She was like a prim example of something that he

796
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:10.599
<v Speaker 5>could have had if he hadn't gone gangster. But he

797
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:11.639
<v Speaker 5>got to keep her anyway.

798
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:12.639
<v Speaker 3>If he had.

799
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:19.159
<v Speaker 2>Another question, you guys text each other.

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00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:26.039
<v Speaker 5>It's Ashley Tisdale here we have it. Do you know

801
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:28.880
<v Speaker 5>about the Ashley Tisdale story? Oh my god, do you

802
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:32.280
<v Speaker 5>know about this? Ashley Tisdale, who was a teenage actress,

803
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:35.119
<v Speaker 5>was in high school musical and stuff, like that wrote

804
00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:39.679
<v Speaker 5>this piece for The New York magazine about being uh

805
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:47.079
<v Speaker 5>kind of ostracized by her mommy group and how horrible

806
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:48.280
<v Speaker 5>this experience was.

807
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:49.559
<v Speaker 2>Why would she.

808
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:53.880
<v Speaker 5>Well, here's the thing. She says, she doesn't know why

809
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:54.920
<v Speaker 5>she was ostracized.

810
00:44:56.119 --> 00:44:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Just to connect, you're saying I'm Ashley Tisdale in this.

811
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:04.800
<v Speaker 5>I'm saying you're feeling like Ashley Tisdale. But I now

812
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:08.320
<v Speaker 5>can explain to you why you either are Ashley Tisdale

813
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:12.159
<v Speaker 5>or not. Either you're Ashley Tisdale because in fact, your

814
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:16.320
<v Speaker 5>texting is so awful and you're such a terrible person

815
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:19.000
<v Speaker 5>that we are right to ostracize you and keep you

816
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:23.039
<v Speaker 5>out of our out of our group chat. Because that's

817
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:28.400
<v Speaker 5>what Hillary Duff's husband said in response to Ashley Tisdale's piece,

818
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:32.119
<v Speaker 5>that they all hated her because she was hateful and

819
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:35.079
<v Speaker 5>they didn't do anything to her. They just like put

820
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:38.159
<v Speaker 5>her off to one side because she was the poisoned person.

821
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:42.440
<v Speaker 5>Either that's you or it's not you. And you have

822
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:48.519
<v Speaker 5>to understand that we we text each other because we're embarrassed.

823
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:52.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah by what, Yeah, that's true.

824
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:53.239
<v Speaker 1>We're embarrassed.

825
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:58.159
<v Speaker 2>You're a very You're much higher and are You're just

826
00:45:58.239 --> 00:45:58.880
<v Speaker 2>jealous of me.

827
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<v Speaker 5>That's it. I told her, that's what I'm saying. I'm

828
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<v Speaker 5>not a lot of it has to do with Channel

829
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:07.400
<v Speaker 5>eleven in New York City.

830
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:09.960
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy nine, and you didn't live here then.

831
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<v Speaker 2>Now I have to reveal to Jonah that John and

832
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:18.159
<v Speaker 2>I text each other too, which means that John spends

833
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:23.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty six hours a day somehow what weird youtubes and

834
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:27.400
<v Speaker 2>thinking about Channel eleven. And I feel like this is

835
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:30.039
<v Speaker 2>one of the things that happens that it happens before

836
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:32.960
<v Speaker 2>the intervention where the friends gather and say, well, I

837
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:34.480
<v Speaker 2>know he's late because he was with you, like he

838
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:36.360
<v Speaker 2>goes with me, Oh my god, he's got he's clearly

839
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:37.000
<v Speaker 2>got a problem.

840
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<v Speaker 3>So I knew that. I mean, like, like, if you

841
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:44.079
<v Speaker 3>listen to the commentary podcast, there's a significant portion of

842
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:47.559
<v Speaker 3>sentences from John that begin as I was texting with

843
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<v Speaker 3>so and so and it wasn't me, and it wasn't you.

844
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<v Speaker 3>I think John is just texting all the time.

845
00:46:54.599 --> 00:47:00.800
<v Speaker 5>I you know, I don't really understand why I'm the

846
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:01.400
<v Speaker 5>bad guy.

847
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:04.559
<v Speaker 2>How did I get to be the bad You interpreted

848
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:05.320
<v Speaker 2>that as a bad guy?

849
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Would I would just say that my.

850
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:15.559
<v Speaker 5>Life is so bizarrely discontinuous that this is what happened

851
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:19.119
<v Speaker 5>to me yesterday morning. Somebody texts me yesterday morning at

852
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:21.039
<v Speaker 5>eight am, a friend of mine who grew up in

853
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:25.880
<v Speaker 5>New Orleans, to say, there's this absolutely horrible story. A

854
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:28.920
<v Speaker 5>synagogue in Jackson, Mississippi was set on fire. Two tours

855
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:31.840
<v Speaker 5>were certified. This is a place I've been dozens of

856
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:34.119
<v Speaker 5>times because I grew up nearby and have gone to

857
00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:37.480
<v Speaker 5>barn bamtz is there? Why isn't the media covering the story?

858
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:41.559
<v Speaker 5>What is going on? Why is there no coverage of this?

859
00:47:41.559 --> 00:47:45.079
<v Speaker 5>This is a shool that was targeted by the Ku

860
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:49.719
<v Speaker 5>Klux Klan in the fifties and set on fire. What's

861
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:55.519
<v Speaker 5>going on now? We're not talking about it? So I say, okay,

862
00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:57.599
<v Speaker 5>let's see what I can do. I tweet it out

863
00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:01.760
<v Speaker 5>and say why is anybody covering? And that my first

864
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:04.079
<v Speaker 5>I've been tweeting for fifteen years. This is like the

865
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:08.920
<v Speaker 5>first tweet I've ever done that genuinely went viral, like

866
00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:12.559
<v Speaker 5>it was retweeted I think by now close to ten

867
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:15.760
<v Speaker 5>thousand times. It was commented on three or four thousand times,

868
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:18.760
<v Speaker 5>and by the middle of the day it had become

869
00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:20.880
<v Speaker 5>a very big news story. And this is one of

870
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:23.199
<v Speaker 5>the few things I've ever been proud of on social

871
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:26.199
<v Speaker 5>media that I must have brought it to the attention

872
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:30.320
<v Speaker 5>of people in the know, who then started spreading it,

873
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:34.760
<v Speaker 5>and then news organizations started covering it. As this is

874
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:39.199
<v Speaker 5>going on, I just happened to be on Instagram and

875
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:45.760
<v Speaker 5>somebody serves up a Broadway Memories. One of the Instagram

876
00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:49.119
<v Speaker 5>feeds I follow has a clip from how to Succeed

877
00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:53.199
<v Speaker 5>in Business Without really Trying, Robert Morse doing the eleven

878
00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:56.599
<v Speaker 5>o'clock number Brotherhood of Man. And in the middle of

879
00:48:56.639 --> 00:49:00.119
<v Speaker 5>all this, as this most serious thing is going on,

880
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:03.679
<v Speaker 5>I write a tweet that says, Okay, I've decided, fifty

881
00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:07.840
<v Speaker 5>years of going to the theater paying enormous attention, Brotherhood

882
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:10.119
<v Speaker 5>of Man is the best eleven o'clock number.

883
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:11.960
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people would say.

884
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:14.840
<v Speaker 5>It's Roses turn from Gypsy or sit Downiel rocking the boat,

885
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:16.519
<v Speaker 5>but I'd say it's Brotherhood of Man.

886
00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:21.039
<v Speaker 1>That's who I am. I am a psychotic.

887
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:25.719
<v Speaker 5>I am like tweeting about Jackson, Mississippi and Brotherhood of

888
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:29.000
<v Speaker 5>Man in the same half hour. There is something wrong

889
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:32.000
<v Speaker 5>with me. I'm willing to accept it. I think you

890
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:33.400
<v Speaker 5>guys should be willing to accept it.

891
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:36.360
<v Speaker 3>So I don't know if it's my only viral tweet,

892
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:38.679
<v Speaker 3>but it's the only major viral tweet I've had in

893
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:45.719
<v Speaker 3>the last few years, certainly like in the last three

894
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:48.239
<v Speaker 3>or four years. And I think, I look the other

895
00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:51.360
<v Speaker 3>day because it came up on my feet again. It's

896
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:53.639
<v Speaker 3>been viewed like eight million times or something like that.

897
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:58.519
<v Speaker 3>And you know what it was. It was me watching

898
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:04.880
<v Speaker 3>Morning ca bold news stuff flipping around and I got

899
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:07.519
<v Speaker 3>I've been upset. I was. I used to be obsessed

900
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:11.719
<v Speaker 3>with the Travago pitch man with the big teeth, and

901
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:14.519
<v Speaker 3>I'd be like, is anybody else freaked out by the

902
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:18.000
<v Speaker 3>Chrovago guy, particularly his teeth? And that was it. That

903
00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:20.719
<v Speaker 3>was a whole tweet. And I did not know that

904
00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:24.920
<v Speaker 3>this dude who has a certain like mentos the fresh

905
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:27.719
<v Speaker 3>maker vibe, right, he feels like he's just not quite

906
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:34.000
<v Speaker 3>American adjacent kind of thing. Turns out he's like the

907
00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:37.480
<v Speaker 3>world's most famous football soccer coach and he's like the

908
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:40.440
<v Speaker 3>coach of Manchester United or something like that. And it

909
00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:44.159
<v Speaker 3>went crazy viral, particularly among Europeans. But oh, look at

910
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:48.320
<v Speaker 3>these dumb Americans who think this guy who thinks whatever

911
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:51.480
<v Speaker 3>his name is I still don't remember is is just

912
00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:55.280
<v Speaker 3>a pitch guy for Travago or whatever. And I still

913
00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:57.639
<v Speaker 3>it's the It's the only thing I've ever tweeted where

914
00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:01.880
<v Speaker 3>I really get mercilessly mocked that I do not mind

915
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:05.599
<v Speaker 3>in the slightest and I don't push back on it.

916
00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:06.880
<v Speaker 3>I just think it's funny anyway.

917
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:08.800
<v Speaker 2>I wear it like a badge of honors.

918
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:13.039
<v Speaker 3>Sir, your booze mean nothing, for I've seen what you cheer.

919
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:17.440
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen ninety four, nineteen ninety five, No like nineteen

920
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:18.480
<v Speaker 1>ninety eight. I'm sorry.

921
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:23.679
<v Speaker 5>Rudy Giuliani announced as part of his second term efforts

922
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:28.559
<v Speaker 5>that he was defunding and closing the city run The

923
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:31.960
<v Speaker 5>City of New York had a television station, Channel twenty

924
00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:35.960
<v Speaker 5>five WNYE that was paid for by the City of

925
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:39.039
<v Speaker 5>New York, and Rudy said, I'm closing it down, or

926
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:41.880
<v Speaker 5>we're not going to do this anymore. Didn't really happen,

927
00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:45.480
<v Speaker 5>kind of still went on anyway. So I wrote a

928
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:49.440
<v Speaker 5>piece in favor of this decision for The New York Post.

929
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:56.599
<v Speaker 5>Because I am opposed to government support for telement for arts, right,

930
00:51:56.639 --> 00:51:58.840
<v Speaker 5>I don't do not belie. You know, I'm against the

931
00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:02.440
<v Speaker 5>Corporation for Public broad Casting. I'm against PBS, I'm against

932
00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:06.159
<v Speaker 5>NPR like don't I don't Constitutionally, I don't think these

933
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:09.239
<v Speaker 5>things should exist. I don't think that taxpayer money should

934
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:12.639
<v Speaker 5>be used to support the speech of others. And and

935
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:14.800
<v Speaker 5>you know, this is like a very this is a

936
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:18.599
<v Speaker 5>very absolutist about this. And in the course of writing

937
00:52:18.639 --> 00:52:21.119
<v Speaker 5>this piece, I said, and I don't even know who

938
00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:24.119
<v Speaker 5>even watches this channel. All I see on if I

939
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:28.440
<v Speaker 5>turn it on is some weird Chinese show for kids

940
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:32.639
<v Speaker 5>with a monkey, and like a guy in a monkey

941
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:36.000
<v Speaker 5>outfit and he's talking to people, and it's in Chinese,

942
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:39.320
<v Speaker 5>and the subtitles are very unclear, and I don't even

943
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:41.480
<v Speaker 5>know what the hell this thing is, like something like

944
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:44.400
<v Speaker 5>that basically, so it shouldn't even be there, because that's

945
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:47.199
<v Speaker 5>all it's airing at some show with a monkey. And

946
00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:51.760
<v Speaker 5>then the post gets five hundred letters which are like,

947
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:55.519
<v Speaker 5>you idiot, this is the monkey King. This is like

948
00:52:55.840 --> 00:52:58.920
<v Speaker 5>the Lord of the Rings of China or like you know,

949
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:02.039
<v Speaker 5>or like the you know, the Don Quixote of China.

950
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:04.079
<v Speaker 1>It's like the most.

951
00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:08.840
<v Speaker 5>Important myth of all Chinese culture and you are so

952
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:11.639
<v Speaker 5>stupid you don't even know it and all of that,

953
00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:15.320
<v Speaker 5>and I don't know. I sort of felt embarrassed that

954
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:18.039
<v Speaker 5>I know. But on the other hand, it really was

955
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:20.800
<v Speaker 5>like a stupid show with a guy in terrible monkey

956
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:24.880
<v Speaker 5>you know, like a monkey costume, and did not need

957
00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:26.559
<v Speaker 5>to be on public television.

958
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:28.559
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know what by the City of New.

959
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:33.440
<v Speaker 3>York, like Rob probably doesn't do. You know, there's a

960
00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:37.760
<v Speaker 3>certain let's put it this way, quality beats quantity, but

961
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:40.639
<v Speaker 3>there's a certain quality to quantity that all its own.

962
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:44.679
<v Speaker 3>John and I write a lot and have written a lot,

963
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:47.159
<v Speaker 3>so I don't know if you have one, but like,

964
00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:50.440
<v Speaker 3>what was the most surprised I'll go first, what was

965
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:55.320
<v Speaker 3>the most surprising backlash you got for something you wrote?

966
00:53:56.119 --> 00:53:59.960
<v Speaker 3>Mine was I mailed in a column this fifteen year

967
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:06.679
<v Speaker 3>yars ago. Now on how because I discovered this amazing

968
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:10.840
<v Speaker 3>statistic and people can look it up right, Feral cats

969
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:18.360
<v Speaker 3>or outdoor cats or just the combination of them kill

970
00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:23.400
<v Speaker 3>hundreds of millions, if not billions upon billions of birds

971
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:28.039
<v Speaker 3>in America every year. I mean, just the numbers are staggering,

972
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:30.679
<v Speaker 3>And like the thing I hit on was like in

973
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:34.920
<v Speaker 3>Minnesota alone. The estimate was like four hundred million birds

974
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:37.480
<v Speaker 3>a year die from it. And I did this thing,

975
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:40.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, and with a jokey title called like first

976
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:42.639
<v Speaker 3>kill all the cats or something like that, and I

977
00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:50.360
<v Speaker 3>wrote about people started writing me the most vicious hate

978
00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:55.719
<v Speaker 3>mail of about Okay, are you going to clean up

979
00:54:55.719 --> 00:54:57.800
<v Speaker 3>my car when the birds shit on it? I mean

980
00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:01.320
<v Speaker 3>like they just covered the entire water front of possible

981
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:04.840
<v Speaker 3>objections to it, And editors were like, we need you

982
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:08.280
<v Speaker 3>to write something addressing this because the backlash is just

983
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:14.239
<v Speaker 3>like through the roof and and like so to this day,

984
00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:16.960
<v Speaker 3>like I'm like, I am more scared of pissing off

985
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:21.679
<v Speaker 3>supporters of feral cats than I am about, you know,

986
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:27.480
<v Speaker 3>pissing off MAGA or or or the resistance side or

987
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:33.760
<v Speaker 3>any political constituency. Because it was just the sheer vitual

988
00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:36.519
<v Speaker 3>I'm coming to your house and I'm going to kill you.

989
00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:36.679
<v Speaker 1>You know.

990
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:38.519
<v Speaker 3>It was like so much of that kind of stuff.

991
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:42.480
<v Speaker 3>But you wouldn't expect cat lovers, yeah exactly from from

992
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:44.280
<v Speaker 3>not even indoor cat lovers be.

993
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Like lonely sixty year old women pulling up their superw forester.

994
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:52.280
<v Speaker 2>You know. Yeah.

995
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:55.480
<v Speaker 5>Anyway, so so do you have one, or maybe it's

996
00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:57.800
<v Speaker 5>a maybe it's a version of a television like a

997
00:55:58.000 --> 00:55:58.920
<v Speaker 5>pro show.

998
00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:02.960
<v Speaker 2>You. Yeah, look, I I want to I I wish

999
00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:05.000
<v Speaker 2>everybody well. I hope everybody. I'm not. I'm not. I

1000
00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:10.039
<v Speaker 2>don't write any hate columns the way Jonah does. Yeah,

1001
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:11.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you know, I try to, you know, bring

1002
00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:15.159
<v Speaker 2>people together. I guess there's so much division now. I uh,

1003
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:17.519
<v Speaker 2>we got a lot of stuff. You get a lot

1004
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:19.840
<v Speaker 2>of letters when you do a TV show, And my

1005
00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:22.400
<v Speaker 2>favorite one was the first series We ever did. I mean,

1006
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:24.239
<v Speaker 2>I have told you the story already and we The

1007
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:27.920
<v Speaker 2>joke was a simple joke. It's a bunch of guys

1008
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:30.039
<v Speaker 2>sitting around talking about when when it is you're going

1009
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:32.159
<v Speaker 2>to settle down, When you're gonna settle down, And one

1010
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:33.960
<v Speaker 2>guy who's kind of the jerk of the of the

1011
00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:39.840
<v Speaker 2>group says, listen, you know it's okay when you're our age. Now,

1012
00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:43.280
<v Speaker 2>you you see a lot of women, you date, you know,

1013
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:45.559
<v Speaker 2>you go out, you you get you know, you play

1014
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:47.840
<v Speaker 2>the field. That's okay. But there comes a point in

1015
00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:53.039
<v Speaker 2>your life when you are ready to uh make a

1016
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:55.000
<v Speaker 2>commitment and you're ready to settle down and you're ready

1017
00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:56.880
<v Speaker 2>to start the next phase of your life and you're

1018
00:56:56.920 --> 00:57:03.360
<v Speaker 2>ready to find that thing called love, and that is

1019
00:57:03.400 --> 00:57:06.719
<v Speaker 2>when you fly to the Philippines and you buy yourself

1020
00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:13.199
<v Speaker 2>a wife. This was early nineties, big joke, laugh everything,

1021
00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:17.880
<v Speaker 2>and like the show premieres nine months later, it's six

1022
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:20.800
<v Speaker 2>months later and we get and then so that episode

1023
00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:23.159
<v Speaker 2>promotes like I don't know, within a year, right, and

1024
00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:30.119
<v Speaker 2>we get an angry letter from the anti Asian American

1025
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Hate something, you know, Guy Aoki was the guy's name.

1026
00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:35.360
<v Speaker 2>He used to run this, you know group, pressure group,

1027
00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:40.559
<v Speaker 2>outraged that we had done this mail order bride's thing.

1028
00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:44.039
<v Speaker 2>And it was like three paragraphs. Would you have said, well,

1029
00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:46.519
<v Speaker 2>when you want to fly to Tel Aviv and you'll

1030
00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:49.000
<v Speaker 2>put some shekels down? Would you have said all the

1031
00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:51.599
<v Speaker 2>things that would you have said? This is just the

1032
00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:54.079
<v Speaker 2>same thing, And then it winds up. It's it's a

1033
00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:59.519
<v Speaker 2>it's a big wrap up paragraphs And for your information,

1034
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:06.480
<v Speaker 2>the Philippines outlawed male order brides in the early nineteen nineties.

1035
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:12.519
<v Speaker 2>Our show premier in nineteen ninety three, Like we missed

1036
00:58:12.519 --> 00:58:16.920
<v Speaker 2>the window by six months. But that's the angriest that's

1037
00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:19.039
<v Speaker 2>the one I remember. That was like the one we

1038
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:20.440
<v Speaker 2>talked to Ad laughed about.

1039
00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:22.119
<v Speaker 3>All right, pod before you go, just because that reminds

1040
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:24.679
<v Speaker 3>me and I won't all forget go ahead. I've now

1041
00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:27.079
<v Speaker 3>heard Jacob frye, we're not getting back to Minnesota, right.

1042
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:32.679
<v Speaker 3>But Jacob fry the mayor of Minneapolis. He I've heard

1043
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:34.920
<v Speaker 3>him do it two or three times now, including this

1044
00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:39.079
<v Speaker 3>morning on NPR where he'll say, and he's been saying

1045
00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:42.079
<v Speaker 3>it for the last few days. We have a low

1046
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:46.159
<v Speaker 3>crime city. I mean, so far this year, we've only

1047
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:52.519
<v Speaker 3>had two shootings. We're recording this on January twelve. It's

1048
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:55.760
<v Speaker 3>like I remember Ron Brown when he was on he

1049
00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:57.800
<v Speaker 3>was on Meet the Press in the early Clinton administration

1050
00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:00.000
<v Speaker 3>and he had some terrible you know, it's some scam

1051
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:05.320
<v Speaker 3>about taxes evasion or something like that, and Tim Russert

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00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:09.440
<v Speaker 3>interviewed him and he said, so are you going to

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00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:12.800
<v Speaker 3>come clean about all this? And Ron Brown said, Tim,

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<v Speaker 3>I paid those taxes last year. And he was recording

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00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:20.960
<v Speaker 3>like on January three, and he had paid them on

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00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:24.039
<v Speaker 3>December twenty eighth or something like that. Anyway, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>go on.

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<v Speaker 5>No, but I had I had instructive experiences in like

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<v Speaker 5>mass responses as a young journalist that were that were valuable.

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<v Speaker 1>So my first job was as a researcher.

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<v Speaker 5>At Time magazine. And Time magazine at the time had

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<v Speaker 5>four million readers. And my sisters actually had worked at

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<v Speaker 5>Newsweek a couple of years earlier and had start in

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<v Speaker 5>the letters department. And these magazines were so popular and

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<v Speaker 5>so paid attention to that they literally had departments to

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01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:12.000
<v Speaker 5>read the mail, four or five people working in them

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01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:14.159
<v Speaker 5>to read the mail and to answer some of the letters,

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01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:18.559
<v Speaker 5>particularly if they had objections, factual objections or you know,

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01:00:18.880 --> 01:00:22.679
<v Speaker 5>question something that was wrong in the magazine. And so

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<v Speaker 5>I knew about what they did, and I knew that

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<v Speaker 5>there were egalized on this. And I was the researcher

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<v Speaker 5>on a little story about a giant dam that was

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<v Speaker 5>being built on the border. This is this is how

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<v Speaker 5>you know, like it's almost like a joke that there

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<v Speaker 5>was actually a story about this in Time magazine. A

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<v Speaker 5>giant dam was being built on the border of Brazil

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<v Speaker 5>and Paraguay and it was like the third biggest dam

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<v Speaker 5>in the world. Still got a story, a forty line,

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<v Speaker 5>one column story, and so one of the details that

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<v Speaker 5>it was it's this size, fifty thousand people are working

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<v Speaker 5>on it. They're pouring two hundred zillion, you know, cubic

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01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:10.400
<v Speaker 5>meters of cement. Da da da da da. And it

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<v Speaker 5>was published and we got five thousand letters because it's

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<v Speaker 5>not cement. Cement is the origin product when you turn

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01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:25.679
<v Speaker 5>it into something that is used to make a dam.

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<v Speaker 5>It is concrete. And it wasn't one letter, and it

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<v Speaker 5>wasn't five letters, it was five thousand letters. And so

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I didn't know this, and nobody toe and

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<v Speaker 5>so now don't get off the heads, right, and that.

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01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:48.039
<v Speaker 1>There are people in because you know this is who

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<v Speaker 1>times read.

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01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:50.480
<v Speaker 5>You know, people are like, oh my god, he said

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<v Speaker 5>cement when he meant concrete.

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01:01:52.480 --> 01:01:54.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean, what kind of idiot is that?

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01:01:54.679 --> 01:02:00.000
<v Speaker 5>But it shows you something very important about what happened

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01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:04.239
<v Speaker 5>when you write about or talk about highly technical things

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01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:09.000
<v Speaker 5>that you do this and people who care, really care

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01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:12.000
<v Speaker 5>and really don't like it for sure when you make mistakes.

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<v Speaker 5>And the other thing happened two or three years later

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<v Speaker 5>where I wrote a review of Top Gun and I

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01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:26.239
<v Speaker 5>said that a tragedy occurs to Goose's best friend, his tailgunner,

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01:02:26.360 --> 01:02:31.639
<v Speaker 5>Goot to Maverick's best friend, his tailgunner, Goose. And again

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01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:35.119
<v Speaker 5>this was in either the Washington Times or an Insight,

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01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:41.320
<v Speaker 5>not particularly highly read publications, hundreds and hundreds of letters.

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01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:46.599
<v Speaker 5>He's not a tailgunner. He's a weapons opera. I can't

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01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:50.599
<v Speaker 5>remember what his title was, but that I was I

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01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:55.440
<v Speaker 5>had shown unbelievable offense to our military, to its standard,

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01:02:55.519 --> 01:02:58.440
<v Speaker 5>to the history of warfare, and to everything good and

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01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:00.840
<v Speaker 5>true and beautiful by referring to him him as a

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01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:05.440
<v Speaker 5>tail gunner when he was actually a secondary weapons optional

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<v Speaker 5>military specialist.

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<v Speaker 1>Or something like that. And again I did not object

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01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:12.519
<v Speaker 1>or I did not feel like I was being you know,

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01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:17.639
<v Speaker 1>overwhelmed by social media hostility, because of course whoever said

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01:03:17.679 --> 01:03:20.360
<v Speaker 1>this was correct and I was wrong, and so I.

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01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:23.519
<v Speaker 5>Should be able to admit that. But again it mattered.

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01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:26.840
<v Speaker 5>Think there are things that matter to people, that really

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01:03:26.840 --> 01:03:28.960
<v Speaker 5>matter to people. And when I watch a movie or

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01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:31.800
<v Speaker 5>a TV show about a newspaper or a magazine that

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01:03:32.440 --> 01:03:38.159
<v Speaker 5>features preposterous and you know, falsities about how the newspaper

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01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:40.360
<v Speaker 5>is done on a daily basis or something like that,

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01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:44.360
<v Speaker 5>and I'm like, Oh, couldn't they hire somebody like just

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<v Speaker 5>to do a little I had this with nobody likes this.

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01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:51.599
<v Speaker 5>The Netflix show about the interfaith couple with a rabbi

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01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:54.920
<v Speaker 5>and they get they got the Jewish stuff all wrong.

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01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:57.719
<v Speaker 5>And I'm like, couldn't they hire someone like this is

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01:03:57.719 --> 01:04:00.480
<v Speaker 5>the oldest religion in the world. Like find somebody who

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<v Speaker 5>can tell you what a rabbi would wear, you know,

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01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:04.159
<v Speaker 5>or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that was valuable.

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<v Speaker 5>That's not like something where I got, you know, rained

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01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:15.920
<v Speaker 5>down upon that I feel was on you know, was

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01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:17.039
<v Speaker 5>was was unjust.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's funny. I like because I came of age writing,

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01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:24.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, I did some freelance stuff in the nineteen nineties,

1136
01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:27.320
<v Speaker 3>but you know, with NRO, I was just blogging every

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01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:30.480
<v Speaker 3>single day, and I would start to acquire you know,

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01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:33.360
<v Speaker 3>you probably remember I had my my Air Power guy

1139
01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:36.159
<v Speaker 3>and my Middle East guy right now, these guys who

1140
01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:38.880
<v Speaker 3>would like take me under their wing and say, n

1141
01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:42.960
<v Speaker 3>that's not quite right. Here's you know whatever. And it

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01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:47.519
<v Speaker 3>became essentially intellectual technical sources. And it was great for me.

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01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:53.039
<v Speaker 3>But like it's one of these things that like you

1144
01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:55.440
<v Speaker 3>only start to know it's one of the things that

1145
01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:59.639
<v Speaker 3>the experience actually matters, because you'll get young writers who's say,

1146
01:04:59.639 --> 01:05:02.960
<v Speaker 3>going to write about this, and like, because you've been

1147
01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:06.199
<v Speaker 3>attacked with people with torches because you wrote something thirty

1148
01:05:06.239 --> 01:05:10.559
<v Speaker 3>you can say, now, make sure you don't say this right,

1149
01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:13.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, or keep in mind that the you know

1150
01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:17.599
<v Speaker 3>that people take the debate about seat belts on school

1151
01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:21.559
<v Speaker 3>buses crazy seriously, which is a fact in fact true. Like,

1152
01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:26.679
<v Speaker 3>start offering your opinions about whether school buses should have

1153
01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:28.840
<v Speaker 3>seat belts and you'll get a lot of interesting mail.

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<v Speaker 2>I was having dinner in Santa Monica a million years ago,

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01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:36.159
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know, somebody came up to me. I

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01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:38.039
<v Speaker 2>guess they recognized you from something i'd done. Said are

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01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:41.800
<v Speaker 2>you Are you Rob Long? And I said yes, I

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01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:44.159
<v Speaker 2>just want to tell you we are huge. He was

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01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:46.320
<v Speaker 2>out the business center he's at with one of his employees.

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<v Speaker 2>We are huge, huge fans of Jonah Goldberg. Really that's great.

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01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Well I'll tell him was yeah, we watched where we

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01:05:56.480 --> 01:05:58.840
<v Speaker 2>spent all George Town on the corner and I forget

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<v Speaker 2>what he goes I when guy said I'm kind of

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01:06:01.519 --> 01:06:08.039
<v Speaker 2>Joanah's real estate guy, and then the other well, actually

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01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:09.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm his real estate guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but can I give you a Can I give

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01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:15.840
<v Speaker 1>a cautionary tale about the guy? About that guy?

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<v Speaker 5>So, also on the corner, our old friend Jim Garrity

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<v Speaker 5>had a guy whom we called Obi Wan Kenobi. Remember this,

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01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:28.559
<v Speaker 5>and so this was when Jim wanted to talk about

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01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:34.639
<v Speaker 5>the real inner workings of Republican politics. He would say,

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01:06:35.079 --> 01:06:37.760
<v Speaker 5>I just got a call from my source, obi Wan Kenobi,

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01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:40.960
<v Speaker 5>and I call him Obi Wan Kenobi, and he's forgotten

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01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:43.760
<v Speaker 5>more about Republican policies I've ever known. And here's his

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01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:46.639
<v Speaker 5>analysis of what's going on. Here's why Romney is going

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01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:50.360
<v Speaker 5>to win, Here's why you know Jim Carter is going

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<v Speaker 5>to win in New Jersey. Who knows it, doesn't matter

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01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:55.559
<v Speaker 5>what the thing was. But he was very learned and

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01:06:55.920 --> 01:06:58.719
<v Speaker 5>sounded great and all of this, and was often really

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01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:03.719
<v Speaker 5>very very wrong, very wrong. And when Obi Wan Kenobi died,

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01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:06.760
<v Speaker 5>Jim revealed.

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01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:07.719
<v Speaker 1>Who Obi Wan Kenobi was.

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01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:10.519
<v Speaker 5>And he was my old boss from the White House,

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01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:14.960
<v Speaker 5>Tony Dolan, the head of speech writing under Reagan, whom

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01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:20.079
<v Speaker 5>I loved. He was a lovable fun quite a brilliant reporter,

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01:07:21.039 --> 01:07:28.480
<v Speaker 5>baracterly good speech writer, complete lunatic, I mean, and everybody

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01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:30.159
<v Speaker 5>who knows him will tell you this, Like he was

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01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:37.519
<v Speaker 5>a complete lunatic, lovable, talented off his rocker, and like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>he knew a lot of stuff, but you would never

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<v Speaker 5>in a million. And so Jim, I think, in innocence

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01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:47.639
<v Speaker 5>thought looked at Tony's credits and life and everything like

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01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:51.280
<v Speaker 5>that and thought, my god, he's like, you know, he's

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01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:55.960
<v Speaker 5>really a wise man. And the problem was that I

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01:07:56.079 --> 01:07:56.599
<v Speaker 5>knew him.

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01:07:57.119 --> 01:07:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Once I found this out, I was like, I felt

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01:07:58.920 --> 01:07:59.440
<v Speaker 1>a little.

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<v Speaker 5>Sorry for Jim because like you just had to take

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01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:08.079
<v Speaker 5>anything that Tony ever said right with a roughly like

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01:08:08.199 --> 01:08:12.199
<v Speaker 5>a Santa Monica beach is worth grain of salt, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fair, but like like that's like my airpower guy

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01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:20.359
<v Speaker 3>was like a thirty years right, you know, guy who I.

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01:08:20.319 --> 01:08:21.279
<v Speaker 1>Trust your airpower.

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01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:25.119
<v Speaker 5>I just say that sometimes even there, you gotta be sure.

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01:08:25.159 --> 01:08:26.760
<v Speaker 5>And of course you were. You were using him as

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01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:29.680
<v Speaker 5>a backstop. And Jim didn't say he was right or wrong.

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01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:33.079
<v Speaker 1>He was just providing Tony inside analysis.

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01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:36.359
<v Speaker 2>But we've all had this experience. I'm sure everyone has.

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01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:39.279
<v Speaker 2>If you you you read an article in the newspaper

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<v Speaker 2>about something that you.

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01:08:41.520 --> 01:08:45.600
<v Speaker 7>Know, a subject or an event where you were in

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01:08:45.640 --> 01:08:48.119
<v Speaker 7>the room or you know exactly what happened, and the

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01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:53.479
<v Speaker 7>account is basically wrong, and you think, though, does this

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01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:58.239
<v Speaker 7>mean that everything else is wrong or somewhat not accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>And the answer to that question is yes, which is

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01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:02.119
<v Speaker 2>always yes, always yes.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Crichton has a very famous great essay on this

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01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:10.279
<v Speaker 3>about like Feller faster whatever it is, but like it's

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01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:15.640
<v Speaker 3>this thing about how anytime you know about a subject, Yeah,

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01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:19.520
<v Speaker 3>at least one or two things just wildly wrong in

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<v Speaker 3>the article.

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<v Speaker 2>We used to have this. We should imitate old writers

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01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:39.079
<v Speaker 2>in the room. You would, you know, complain, you know,

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01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:41.720
<v Speaker 2>you bump into them and write a school meetings. I

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01:09:41.720 --> 01:09:44.159
<v Speaker 2>wrote sixty two, mister Rand's I can't get a meeting?

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<v Speaker 2>Would you ever hire any older writers? I? You know,

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01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:51.640
<v Speaker 2>we know what a button is, nobody knows what a

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01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:57.359
<v Speaker 2>button is, all that stuff. And uh, not only have

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<v Speaker 2>I become one, but I remember once finding meeting a

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01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:02.600
<v Speaker 2>very old writer who's very distinguished writer in New York

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01:10:03.119 --> 01:10:10.119
<v Speaker 2>and and having lunch with him and and he and

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01:10:10.279 --> 01:10:13.119
<v Speaker 2>and this is way a group working a place, and

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01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:15.640
<v Speaker 2>he'd actually said something very close to me, like, you know,

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01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:18.760
<v Speaker 2>what's what's crazy to me is I wrote sixty two

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01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:21.079
<v Speaker 2>somethings I can't get a meeting. My agent tells me

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01:10:21.079 --> 01:10:22.680
<v Speaker 2>I can't get a meeting. It's like, really, who's your agent,

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01:10:22.680 --> 01:10:24.439
<v Speaker 2>and he mentioned somebody who I thought at that point

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01:10:24.520 --> 01:10:27.680
<v Speaker 2>I was pretty sure had been deceased for years. And

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<v Speaker 2>then after lunch then these two younger women came and

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01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:32.319
<v Speaker 2>sat with me and they said, oh, so you know

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01:10:32.399 --> 01:10:34.680
<v Speaker 2>this guy again, because you know, he's really helping us

1241
01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:36.760
<v Speaker 2>because he's a you know, he knows everybody. So we've

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01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:38.760
<v Speaker 2>written this pilot and we're working on something and he's

1243
01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:42.640
<v Speaker 2>he's going to help us get this pilot read and made.

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01:10:43.039 --> 01:10:45.880
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, oh, great, I said, is he

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01:10:45.920 --> 01:10:48.039
<v Speaker 2>also building a time machine, because that's what you're gonna

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01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh I didn't say that. I thought that, yeah it is. Well,

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01:10:52.119 --> 01:10:54.760
<v Speaker 2>sometimes you know the great guy, but like you know,

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01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:57.960
<v Speaker 2>time moves on for all of us, the Reaper comes

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01:10:57.960 --> 01:10:58.560
<v Speaker 2>for all of us.

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01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:01.039
<v Speaker 1>Whatever. So I think I've come to the end.

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01:11:01.319 --> 01:11:04.199
<v Speaker 3>Although actually, just a quick shout out today, I just

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01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:09.760
<v Speaker 3>saw on the twitters from that Danny Duraney account that

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01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:16.000
<v Speaker 3>we all find today fifty five years ago all the

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01:11:16.039 --> 01:11:21.039
<v Speaker 3>Family premiere. So that and we don't need to talk

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01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:23.039
<v Speaker 3>about Rob Reiner really because that's just too much of

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<v Speaker 3>a downer to end on.

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<v Speaker 1>But I fifty five years ago fifty arguably the most

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<v Speaker 1>important show in the history of television, well one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>If you if you have to make a list of.

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<v Speaker 2>Ten, I just I just made that sound.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you think about it, like hey here close

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<v Speaker 3>rob off the top rope and defensive.

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<v Speaker 5>Actually, I think about if you think about a show

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01:11:48.840 --> 01:11:53.840
<v Speaker 5>that changed everything about television after its premiere, All in

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01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:57.239
<v Speaker 5>the Family was probably that show more than any other

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01:11:58.760 --> 01:12:04.279
<v Speaker 5>show that it introduced an entirely new framework for how

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01:12:04.279 --> 01:12:09.760
<v Speaker 5>to have success in television with a contemporary story that

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01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:14.640
<v Speaker 5>actually touched on real world themes that was not what

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01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:17.840
<v Speaker 5>the sitcom was like or anything in television.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like.

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01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Good Punky Browser story.

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<v Speaker 1>Punky Brewster then took that into the orphan realm.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The actor who played Punky Brewster's named so let

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01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:33.159
<v Speaker 2>moon Fry. She was like, you don't know it is

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01:12:33.199 --> 01:12:35.640
<v Speaker 2>a Punky Brewster was a young girl, and she was

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01:12:36.159 --> 01:12:38.520
<v Speaker 2>during a period where all these like orphans and urchins

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01:12:38.520 --> 01:12:42.760
<v Speaker 2>were being adopted by older creepily by older men, older

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01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:44.960
<v Speaker 2>rich men, and she was one of them. The Different

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01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Strokes was a version all that stuff. By the way,

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01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:50.600
<v Speaker 2>I saw a great different Strokes mean, which was the

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01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:53.279
<v Speaker 2>entire cast at Different Strokes, But they had they had

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01:12:55.159 --> 01:12:59.840
<v Speaker 2>airbrushed one side of their face kind of paralyzed in

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01:13:00.039 --> 01:13:03.800
<v Speaker 2>different ways. It was combat bane and all the entire

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01:13:03.800 --> 01:13:07.479
<v Speaker 2>act cast of different strokes as if they just had

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01:13:07.479 --> 01:13:12.840
<v Speaker 2>a stroke. Yeah, uh, pretty good. But so so then

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<v Speaker 2>years later, you know, this is like it was on

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<v Speaker 2>And then a friend of mine we were having lunchins

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01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:21.000
<v Speaker 2>with towards so many other people, and some made a

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01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:23.680
<v Speaker 2>punky Breucher joke and one of the guys said, hey, listen,

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01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:28.600
<v Speaker 2>I uh, i'm I had a great meeting with so Lay.

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01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:30.960
<v Speaker 2>She's coming back. She wants to a show. I had

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01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:33.720
<v Speaker 2>a great meet with Soilay last week. Let me tell

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01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:36.680
<v Speaker 2>you a punky brewster. And then he does that thing

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01:13:37.039 --> 01:13:39.560
<v Speaker 2>that men do to show that she's you know, got

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01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:44.960
<v Speaker 2>a rack, and we kind of stopped talking. I mean,

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01:13:45.279 --> 01:13:47.760
<v Speaker 2>because you got to use that, right, You got to

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01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:50.960
<v Speaker 2>use that. Everybody would be thinking that, right, you got

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01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:55.960
<v Speaker 2>to use that like, oh dear lord, oh dear lord. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready. I didn't want to

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01:13:58.000 --> 01:13:59.239
<v Speaker 2>eat and show business that much.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that whole genre just to and and just to

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01:14:03.800 --> 01:14:07.800
<v Speaker 5>conclude with the was if you think about it, the

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01:14:07.880 --> 01:14:15.000
<v Speaker 5>creepiness of the adopted or Orphans shows family affair, Bill

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01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:19.319
<v Speaker 5>and mister French living in the house with Sissy, Buffy

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01:14:19.359 --> 01:14:24.159
<v Speaker 5>and Jody, Like, what the hell was going on there?

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01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:28.520
<v Speaker 5>Where were the social workers making sure that there was

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01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:31.399
<v Speaker 5>nothing untoward going on there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's it's it's the liberaci liberaci phase where

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01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:37.760
<v Speaker 2>you're like, nobody noticed something weird.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's like, uh, mister French does not seem to

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01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:49.279
<v Speaker 5>have an interest in adult ladies.

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01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:51.960
<v Speaker 1>At least Bill.

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01:14:52.840 --> 01:14:55.800
<v Speaker 5>Pretended to date or there was always a plot where

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01:14:55.800 --> 01:14:58.079
<v Speaker 5>he was dating someone.

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01:14:58.680 --> 01:15:03.800
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so very strange.

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01:15:04.039 --> 01:15:06.560
<v Speaker 3>I do wonder like, is it possible, you know, look,

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01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:09.680
<v Speaker 3>there's always a time lag where Hollywood picks up stuff

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01:15:09.760 --> 01:15:13.760
<v Speaker 3>that is derivative of people's lived experience from ten or

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01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:17.479
<v Speaker 3>fifteen years earlier. I wonder if like there were a

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01:15:17.479 --> 01:15:19.279
<v Speaker 3>bunch of people who grew up during World War you know,

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01:15:19.359 --> 01:15:22.079
<v Speaker 3>around World War Two who lost parents and there were

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01:15:22.079 --> 01:15:25.399
<v Speaker 3>a lot more sort of mainstream kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of like I live with my uncle.

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01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:30.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, or if in experiences like like kind of like

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01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:33.920
<v Speaker 3>percolated through in a way that seemed really.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely that has to be true. In other words, like

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<v Speaker 5>that you were out of the goodness of your heart,

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01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:42.319
<v Speaker 5>you brought children into your home. That was something praiseworthy

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01:15:42.359 --> 01:15:44.000
<v Speaker 5>and nobody should gainsay it.

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<v Speaker 2>And but there's there's something dirty about it. I mean,

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01:15:47.079 --> 01:15:51.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean the cliche New York rich, New York bachelor

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01:15:51.760 --> 01:15:54.720
<v Speaker 2>uncle can only mean one thing. And I think what

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01:15:54.800 --> 01:15:57.359
<v Speaker 2>happens in TV they're like, well, yeah, but he's like yeah,

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01:15:57.359 --> 01:15:59.600
<v Speaker 2>he's got he lives with an English guy who helps

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01:15:59.640 --> 01:16:02.880
<v Speaker 2>him out, who serves him. But it's perfectly normal. You

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01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:05.199
<v Speaker 2>just keep saying it's perfect, it's fine. It's like, yeah,

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01:16:05.279 --> 01:16:09.399
<v Speaker 2>Conrad Bain is a rich widower and he adopts two

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01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:12.479
<v Speaker 2>the little black boys, and they they call him dead

1339
01:16:12.640 --> 01:16:16.039
<v Speaker 2>and they run to his limo and he opened the

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01:16:16.079 --> 01:16:18.000
<v Speaker 2>limo door and they run to it, like yeah, it's

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01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:21.960
<v Speaker 2>prefetly fine, it's perfectly fine and well altered. It view

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01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:26.960
<v Speaker 2>just lighting it a slightly different way, so you charge

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01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:28.279
<v Speaker 2>through it. You charged through it.

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<v Speaker 3>Like then there is don't even get me started on

1345
01:16:31.119 --> 01:16:32.199
<v Speaker 3>Bruce Wayne and his ward.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh well you can't even let's not start with the ward.

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01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:37.520
<v Speaker 5>But I did want to I'll conclude on this, which

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01:16:37.600 --> 01:16:40.680
<v Speaker 5>is one of the most I didn't know that it

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01:16:40.760 --> 01:16:44.239
<v Speaker 5>happened at the time because I wasn't watching sitcoms the whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>So it turns out there was this episode of Fresh

1351
01:16:47.560 --> 01:16:51.119
<v Speaker 5>Prince of bel Air. Okay at the whatever that moment was,

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01:16:51.159 --> 01:16:54.439
<v Speaker 5>so there was a fresh Prince of bel Air and

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01:16:54.479 --> 01:16:56.640
<v Speaker 5>of course Will Smith is the Fresh Prince of bel Air.

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01:16:56.800 --> 01:17:00.520
<v Speaker 5>Huge hit, right. He's again sort of a opted by

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01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:03.640
<v Speaker 5>this rich families from Philadelphia. It comes out to his

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01:17:03.760 --> 01:17:08.159
<v Speaker 5>Reledi's living there in this house and there's an episode

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01:17:08.399 --> 01:17:14.319
<v Speaker 5>about how his father, his deadbeat dad played by Ben Vereen,

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01:17:15.159 --> 01:17:18.840
<v Speaker 5>shows up and at the end of the which I

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01:17:19.039 --> 01:17:21.119
<v Speaker 5>only saw it like six months ago, and at the

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<v Speaker 5>end of this episode, you know, he's got the hearty

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01:17:26.359 --> 01:17:30.199
<v Speaker 5>guy who is his adoptive father. And they turns out

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01:17:30.279 --> 01:17:33.560
<v Speaker 5>that Ben Vereen, his dad, has showed up to try

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01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:37.720
<v Speaker 5>to get money out of the father, out of the

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<v Speaker 5>adoptive father, and he and Will Smith have a confrontation.

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01:17:41.359 --> 01:17:43.560
<v Speaker 5>Will Smith says, get the hell out of here. I

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01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:45.520
<v Speaker 5>don't ever want to see you again, and then he

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01:17:45.600 --> 01:17:49.359
<v Speaker 5>turns to his adoptive father and bursts into tears and says,

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01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:53.479
<v Speaker 5>why didn't he love me? Why didn't he love me?

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01:17:54.119 --> 01:17:58.359
<v Speaker 5>And that he sobs. His adoptive father grabs him, holds him.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the end of the episode.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, like so that was some weird thing where whoever

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01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:10.279
<v Speaker 5>made Fresh Prince of bel Air was like maybe or

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01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:12.239
<v Speaker 5>Will Smith said, I want to show I can cry

1374
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<v Speaker 5>on camera. I don't know what happened, but it's sort

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<v Speaker 5>of like this, WHOA hold up a little bit there,

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01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:21.800
<v Speaker 5>you know, like that's a that's a that's a little

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01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:27.359
<v Speaker 5>close for comfort, you know with a show about a rich.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's the thing. What you don't know because you're

1379
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:31.760
<v Speaker 3>watching it thirty years later, is that that could have

1380
01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:34.399
<v Speaker 3>been on a very special Fresh Prince.

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01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:38.359
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there you go, the ultimate Usually the very special

1382
01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:40.520
<v Speaker 5>ones were where they're getting molested by somebody.

1383
01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:43.359
<v Speaker 3>But yes, well you remember the one with different strokes

1384
01:18:43.359 --> 01:18:47.520
<v Speaker 3>where the guy tries to molest Arnold and his friend.

1385
01:18:48.640 --> 01:18:51.840
<v Speaker 3>You know who the molester was. It was played by

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01:18:51.960 --> 01:18:56.840
<v Speaker 3>mister Carlson from w k rp Oh, Gordon Jump. Yeah

1387
01:18:56.880 --> 01:18:58.479
<v Speaker 3>it hit hard.

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01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:02.680
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, all right, well we have to gott Scott, We're

1389
01:19:02.680 --> 01:19:05.279
<v Speaker 5>gonna has to go. We've we've we've come around to

1390
01:19:05.359 --> 01:19:09.439
<v Speaker 5>the most salacious and depressing ending that we could possibly achieve.

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01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Although Gordon Jump, you gotta admit kind of hot, right, Okay,

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01:19:17.680 --> 01:19:18.479
<v Speaker 2>Bailey or.

1393
01:19:19.359 --> 01:19:22.800
<v Speaker 5>Or Bailey Bailey not not Jennifer.

1394
01:19:22.960 --> 01:19:24.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I gotta go with Bailey.

1395
01:19:24.640 --> 01:19:26.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm also a Meranda over Ginger guy, but that's me

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01:19:27.319 --> 01:19:28.239
<v Speaker 3>me too, all right.

1397
01:19:28.159 --> 01:19:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Well I think that's that's that's what that's cannon at

1398
01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:31.199
<v Speaker 2>this point.

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01:19:31.560 --> 01:19:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay.

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01:19:32.800 --> 01:19:37.119
<v Speaker 2>Also that's the leat moon Fry.

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01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:42.239
<v Speaker 5>Oh see you guys.

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01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Wait wait wait, centering, breath, centering, cleansing breath. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>now start