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Speaker 3: Welcome to the fourth hour of the Auleux Jones Sum
Speaker 3: your guest host Jaydy or Jay's analysis. Today, we're gonna
Speaker 3: do something a little bit different. I want to give
Speaker 3: us a deep dive into the novel and the film
Speaker 3: Dune by Frank Herbert. Dune is the nineteen sixty five
Speaker 3: novel that I think is typically classed as the top
Speaker 3: selling science fiction novel of all time. I remember growing
Speaker 3: up watching this the David Lynch version, which many people dislike,
Speaker 3: actually like it quite a bit. I didn't read the
Speaker 3: novel until some years into the two thousands, I forgar
Speaker 3: exactly what year, And I remember Alex talking about the
Speaker 3: Dune series quite a bit, and I remember that Seleusa
Speaker 3: Secundas is the prison planet. So I thought, well, maybe
Speaker 3: there's some association that Alex had between why he named
Speaker 3: one of the website's prison planet and this, this.
Speaker 1: Element of Doune, this great story.
Speaker 3: So I decided to dive into it and I've not
Speaker 3: read the whole series. I'm about three novels in, but
Speaker 3: I have read the first one with much attention and detail,
Speaker 3: and the reason that I was really blown away was
Speaker 3: that Herbert includes a tremendous amount of geopolitical, religious, sociological, ecological, esoteric,
Speaker 3: you name it, it's all included in this novel, which is very,
Speaker 3: in my view, very rare.
Speaker 1: For sci fi. Every now and then a science fiction author,
Speaker 1: maybe a Philip K. Dick, or maybe.
Speaker 3: Even somebody like a William Gibson, you know, they'll include
Speaker 3: some pretty esoteric elements, but they don't usually get into
Speaker 3: things like real world geopolitics, putting that into the novel, control,
Speaker 3: alternate personalities, genetic memories, trigger codes, assassins, the kind of
Speaker 3: stuff that we read about in the CIA'SMK Ultra documents.
Speaker 3: It's very odd to find this in a nineteen sixty
Speaker 3: five novel from Frank Herbert.
Speaker 1: And so with the recent.
Speaker 3: Release of Doune from the famous director Dennis VILLAINEU don't
Speaker 3: you dare say villain nweiva, even though that's what it
Speaker 3: looks like, because every nerd will can immediately correct you.
Speaker 3: This recent instantiation I thought was really well done. And
Speaker 3: then of course Dune Too came out a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks ago and is now considered like the new Lord
Speaker 3: of the Rings.
Speaker 1: The nerds are going crazy.
Speaker 3: It's getting all these accolades might win awards, and I
Speaker 3: believe they just confirmed that they're going to make the
Speaker 3: next one Dune Messiah.
Speaker 1: So you said, well, this is pop culture. Why do
Speaker 1: I care about this?
Speaker 3: Because remember, as we covered here in my analysis on
Speaker 3: several Fourth Hours and my two books Esotery Hollywood one
Speaker 3: and two, I do have an.
Speaker 1: In depth analysis of Doune in Esotery Collywood Too.
Speaker 3: If you want to read that, that's a literary essay.
Speaker 3: It's important to do this because a lot of times
Speaker 3: the fiction prepares us for where the system wants to go.
Speaker 3: We call that predicted programming. Not all fiction is predicted programming.
Speaker 3: Not all movies aren't necessarily predict the future. Sometimes authors
Speaker 3: and writers who perhaps come out of the intelligence world
Speaker 3: want to put what really happened into their stories. For example,
Speaker 3: I watched this week a series called Little Drummer Girl,
Speaker 3: which is a nineteen eighty two John lecar A novel.
Speaker 3: John Leacaray was in the British Intelligence Service, that whole sector.
Speaker 1: He worked for five and for six, and so he put.
Speaker 3: Those kind of real world things that he learned into
Speaker 3: his stories, much like Ian Fleming did, but in a
Speaker 3: more realistic way. James Bond is very kind of cartoonish
Speaker 3: and got a lot of Hollywood elements. Lacara strive to
Speaker 3: have a really realistic approach to his to his spy fiction.
Speaker 3: But what's fascinating about that series is that it was
Speaker 3: written in nineteen eighty two and it dealt with the
Speaker 3: facing off between the masade and the PLO and so
Speaker 3: there's a lot of.
Speaker 1: Fakery, there's lot of stagecraft, there's false flags.
Speaker 3: All that goes into what you might expect in Lacara
Speaker 3: telling us, as the novel says, terror is theater, I'm
Speaker 3: not saying by that that there aren't real terror attacks,
Speaker 3: that everything's fake. When im saying that, I'm saying that
Speaker 3: the point of the novel is that terror has a
Speaker 3: specific goal of theatrics of scaring people. And Dune also
Speaker 3: includes a lot of these same principles of real world geopolitics.
Speaker 3: And although as I understand he was Frank Herbrah'm speaking
Speaker 3: of it was a gop speech writer. I don't know
Speaker 3: that he had any necessary, necessarily intelligence connections, but he
Speaker 3: seemed to really know in some sense what was going on,
Speaker 3: even getting to pretty wild things like geoengineering, terrorforming, all
Speaker 3: kinds of wild things. This is the Alex John schump
Speaker 3: You Guesstos Jaydi as we do a deep dive into
Speaker 3: the predicted programming of Dune. Welcome back to the fourth
Speaker 3: hour of the Alex Johns Schulman Guestos Jay Dye or Jasonalysis,
Speaker 3: and we're doing a deep dive into the story of
Speaker 3: Doune in both the written text from Frank Herbert and
Speaker 3: the visual presentations that we've seen, particularly the more recent
Speaker 3: release the blockbuster Done Too, which everyone is talking about.
Speaker 3: It's the first time many are saying that they've had
Speaker 3: a wild theatrical experience where they felt like a movie
Speaker 3: really moved them. And they say, this hasn't happened since
Speaker 3: Lord of the Rings or since you know, films like
Speaker 3: The Matrix something like this, where both the visuals, the sound,
Speaker 3: the storytelling was all pretty much top notch. Now, as
Speaker 3: you said, Frank Herbert himself was an interesting character who
Speaker 3: was not on the liberal side of things. You know,
Speaker 3: you think of science fiction authors as being these sort
Speaker 3: of libs who want to promote the idea of a
Speaker 3: never ending so called progress. They're irreligious against the mystical.
Speaker 3: They have a future of pure scientism and utopia ahead
Speaker 3: of us, and we don't find that in Dune at all.
Speaker 3: In fact, one of the most striking disparities between science
Speaker 3: fiction writers and what Herbert presents is the banning of Ai.
Speaker 3: In fact, in the world of Dune, there was this
Speaker 3: event that happened where AI got so advanced that it
Speaker 3: actually enslaved the humans. And so I think ten thousand
Speaker 3: years or so before the events of what we read
Speaker 3: in Dune, there was this jihad they called it. It's
Speaker 3: called the Butlerian Jahad, and this was a religious crusade
Speaker 3: against Ai. So not only is there no future utopia
Speaker 3: in this series, but there's also a specifically anti Ai,
Speaker 3: pro human bent. And in regard to the villains, you
Speaker 3: have this nefarious coalition of the emperor, who is the
Speaker 3: emperor of the known universe, who's made an alliance with
Speaker 3: one of the royal houses known as the Harconans. The
Speaker 3: Harconins are these very degenerate, pedophile and in some versions
Speaker 3: cannibalistic people group who basically live on an hr Giger
Speaker 3: style planet, and their plan is to take over the
Speaker 3: planet of Dune or Aracus, which is a desert planet
Speaker 3: where there is this drug that has all of these
Speaker 3: mystical powers and capabilities, known as the spice. And to
Speaker 3: control the spice is like controlling something like the heroin trade,
Speaker 3: or to control something like oil.
Speaker 1: So imagine if you could combine oil and heroin.
Speaker 3: That's what we would have with the spice, and or
Speaker 3: maybe something more hallucinogenic than heroin. But in regard to geopolitics,
Speaker 3: if it's very well with Herbert, borrowing from Middle East
Speaker 3: cultures such as Sufis, or borrowing from Sunni Islam, or
Speaker 3: borrowing from Bedouin tribes, these all go into being the
Speaker 3: influences for the native people of the planet of Doune
Speaker 3: called the Fremen, and I think there's a play on words.
Speaker 1: They're the free men, and so they have.
Speaker 3: An odd sort of syncretistic religion, the Fremen, where they
Speaker 3: have been influenced by Zen philosophy, Sunni Islam, paganism, Catholicism.
Speaker 3: Because after the Butalerian Jihad, there was a universal galactic
Speaker 3: ecumenical council basically like Vatican three in space, where an
Speaker 3: ecumenical council of Dorks compiled together basically a new religion,
Speaker 3: and this religion became a quasi humanist religion, a kind
Speaker 3: of a process philosophy where man could never be enslaved
Speaker 3: to AI. So a big pillar foundation of the future
Speaker 3: religion here is anti AI. They do have tech, so
Speaker 3: don't misunderstand me. They have very advanced technology, and they
Speaker 3: have genetically advanced human beings and people that are genetically modified,
Speaker 3: but not AI. And so again unique turn of events
Speaker 3: there with contrasting that to most soyence fiction. There's also
Speaker 3: the as we said, this coalition of corrupt people who
Speaker 3: with an emperor and the baron, they want to take
Speaker 3: over this planet and to really harvest the profits.
Speaker 1: And they work together with this.
Speaker 3: Economic entity called the Guild, and the Guild and the navigators.
Speaker 3: These people they control travel and they control the spice.
Speaker 3: That's their goals to completely control and they'll have the
Speaker 3: upper hand in the universe by doing so. But in
Speaker 3: order to do this, they have to get rid of
Speaker 3: certain rival families that's.
Speaker 1: The Atradees family.
Speaker 3: So clearly Herbert is borring from a lot of classic
Speaker 3: stories of intrigue, a courtly entry, espionage. You could think about,
Speaker 3: you know, George RR. Martin's Game of Thrones being very
Speaker 3: similar to what you see in Done, but Dune was
Speaker 3: one of the first sci fi stories to really pull
Speaker 3: from medieval you know, intrigues and espionage with houses and
Speaker 3: kings and queens. And again, that heraldry, noble element, the
Speaker 3: hierarchical monarchy element, is not something you typically think of
Speaker 3: in terms of future science fiction. You think that's, oh,
Speaker 3: that's a relic of the past. Well, again, we have
Speaker 3: another thing that Herbert carries over, presumably because he thinks
Speaker 3: it's natural that hierarchy is natural to mankind. Hierarchy is
Speaker 3: found in nature. I'm gonna hierarchies, right, That's never gonna
Speaker 3: go away. There's always going to be these hierarchies. And
Speaker 3: so he puts this into his his stories.
Speaker 1: And this, as we said, this house that's being persecuted,
Speaker 1: this noble house.
Speaker 3: The trade is they're known as a righteous household there.
Speaker 3: They're a good, a noble family. They come from a
Speaker 3: water based planet called Kalidan, and they intend to be
Speaker 3: the rulers.
Speaker 1: They're being baited.
Speaker 3: Into coming to this planet to be as they believe
Speaker 3: at the friendship and best of the Emperor, given the
Speaker 3: dukedom or given the control of the planet of Iracus,
Speaker 3: and they believe they'll make profit from this, being involved
Speaker 3: in the spice trade and so forth.
Speaker 1: And of course they find out that this was a
Speaker 1: giant trap.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a false flag type of event where
Speaker 3: they're led into this scenario where they're trapped and almost
Speaker 3: all of House of Trades is destroyed except for the
Speaker 3: promising young protagonist, Paul a Trades. Paul, I think in
Speaker 3: the novel is something like fourteen fifteen, sixteen years old,
Speaker 3: so he's a younger guy, and if you watch the
Speaker 3: recent instantiation they chose I think, I think somebody who's
Speaker 3: a more fitting version of Paul. In the older version
Speaker 3: with David Lynch, Kyle McLaughlin is a little too old
Speaker 3: to be playing that character. But regardless, it's a very
Speaker 3: well executed presentation of the novel and it tries to
Speaker 3: stick pretty.
Speaker 1: Faithful to the story.
Speaker 3: There's some minor variations with the Zendaia character in the.
Speaker 1: Sequel part two.
Speaker 3: But anyway back to the main point, which is that
Speaker 3: so We've got this imperial intrigue story, this planet, the
Speaker 3: resources trying to be controlled. What does this have to
Speaker 3: do with global geopolitical conspiracies and nchaultra It sounds like
Speaker 3: you're just reaching here, Jay.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Actually again, remember this is written in nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 3: Frank Herbert's a future where there's geoengineering. There's actually planetary
Speaker 3: ecologists from involved in terraforming, and they actually geoengineer planets.
Speaker 3: He talks about the dangers of technocracy. He talks about.
Speaker 1: Elite bloodlines and that these elite bloodlines.
Speaker 3: Have the ability to pass on genetic memories that can
Speaker 3: be awakened through certain events, through certain training, through trauma,
Speaker 3: through war or fair the odd amorphous religion of the
Speaker 3: universe of Doune, all of these can be ways to
Speaker 3: awaken these innate potentialities and powers within man. According to
Speaker 3: Frank Kerbert, I believe that a lot of that's true.
Speaker 3: Obviously I have religious beliefs, but I think, again.
Speaker 1: This is very unique, and you just don't see this
Speaker 1: in science fiction.
Speaker 3: Usually science fiction is kind of atheistic. Now, some people
Speaker 3: argue that this storyline is atheistic. However, we find that
Speaker 3: odd things happen. As the novels progress, it gets very bizarre,
Speaker 3: with basically somebody melding with a worm to become the
Speaker 3: worm Emperor. There might be some symbolic meanings to that,
Speaker 3: but really the question is about this Messiah. So we
Speaker 3: have the storyline that the elite bloodlines have planted throughout
Speaker 3: the various colonies that they study for eugenic purposes. So
Speaker 3: the structure has a religious arm known as the Beni
Speaker 3: Jesuits Sisterhood, and these are a covenant of witches.
Speaker 1: They're called witches, but really.
Speaker 3: They've become these sort of like female bitchy jedies and
Speaker 3: they can kind of do you know, tricks with their
Speaker 3: voice and mind control and hypnotism and you know, maybe
Speaker 3: see a little bit of the future, not a lot
Speaker 3: here and there. They have pressions to a degree. And
Speaker 3: so this Sisterhood is a spoken of as kind of
Speaker 3: a secret society, but they're a secret society that is
Speaker 3: much more than what we think of as mystery rights. No,
Speaker 3: they're actually intelligence handlers. And they're not just intelligence handlers.
Speaker 3: They're also said to be manipulators of eugenic bloodlines. That's
Speaker 3: the terminology that's used in the novel, So this is
Speaker 3: not my interpretation. If you look at Doing Messiah, it
Speaker 3: talks about the Benny Jesuous Sisterhood operating like a eugenics
Speaker 3: cult that studies the different culture on the different planets
Speaker 3: to pick out who can be the most fitter, most
Speaker 3: evolved version of these different tribes to eventually create what
Speaker 3: they call the super Being. The super being is and
Speaker 3: in their mind, going to be some future woman they think,
Speaker 3: they hope that they can control, so they want to
Speaker 3: be the power behind the throne. But their techniques are
Speaker 3: basically exactly that of a combination of like a jesuit
Speaker 3: and a CIA handler. So that's literally what is in
Speaker 3: the novel, and that's kind of exactly how intelligence handlers
Speaker 3: work in the real world. If you remember when we
Speaker 3: read an a lecture through the famous CIA operative Miles
Speaker 3: Copeland's book Game of Nations, he writes this lengthy treat
Speaker 3: us about all of his operations and consulting in Syria
Speaker 3: and in Egypt throughout the Cold War, and then he
Speaker 3: says at the end of the book, if you want
Speaker 3: to know why we use terrorists and why we do
Speaker 3: all of this, and that he says, it's very simple
Speaker 3: go read Bertrand Russell, the Council Formulations, James Burnham, and
Speaker 3: the Managerial Society, and you'll understand that it's all about
Speaker 3: eugenics and depopulate.
Speaker 1: All of that.
Speaker 3: So all these CIA Cold war operations, it's about the
Speaker 3: long term goal of where they want to take these
Speaker 3: countries for the future goals of depopulation and technocracy. He
Speaker 3: actually says that there's an appendix at the back of
Speaker 3: the book that is a recommended reading list of a
Speaker 3: bunch of globalist documents, all the stuff that you hear
Speaker 3: me talking about. So you think, where'd you get this?
Speaker 3: You're just making this up. It's all conspiracy theories, you know.
Speaker 1: Actually the global elite writers give you appendices that give
Speaker 1: you bibliographies that tell you what to read, And in
Speaker 1: fact Doune actually has some fascinating bibliographies itself the back
Speaker 1: of the book.
Speaker 3: That we're going to look at that shows you a
Speaker 3: lot of what I'm talking about. So it's not conspiracy theory.
Speaker 3: It's this is what writers do.
Speaker 1: Writer this.
Speaker 3: They put these clues, they put these topics into their
Speaker 3: book because it's.
Speaker 1: What's going on in the real world. So I'm not
Speaker 1: saying there's an exact one to one parallel. There's no
Speaker 1: perfect parallel to who the Fremen are these native people
Speaker 1: of Doune. They're kind of a.
Speaker 3: Mix of, as I said, Zuni Sunni Islam, Sufi Islam.
Speaker 3: They're a mix of Zen philosophy at Bedouin tribes, Afghanis
Speaker 3: So they're kind of all of that in this future
Speaker 3: desert people group.
Speaker 1: So there's a clear connection that I want to mention
Speaker 1: to Islam.
Speaker 3: And I think Alex mentioned this maybe a week or
Speaker 3: two ago in one of his broadcasts that he was
Speaker 3: saying that you enjoyed Dune part two, but he felt
Speaker 3: like there might be some predictive programming in relationship to Islam.
Speaker 3: And that's interesting that we did see the events in
Speaker 3: Russia where the isis this course, Western backed and created
Speaker 3: cut out acclaimed responsibility for the events in Russia's nine
Speaker 3: to eleven in my view, because they were heading back
Speaker 3: to the Ukraine. The terrorists in this case, they were
Speaker 3: probably most likely put up to this by the Ukrainian regime.
Speaker 1: That makes the most sense in my view, and that's
Speaker 1: what fits the Gladiol model.
Speaker 3: I don't know if there was any intentional association between
Speaker 3: the Dune story and what's going on there. But it
Speaker 3: is an interesting parallel, at least in the fact that,
Speaker 3: as we said in the story of Dune, they're clearly
Speaker 3: pulling from Jihad, Islam, all these terms that we are
Speaker 3: very familiar with. And that has to do with I
Speaker 3: think Frank Herbert being a GOP speech writer. Now you
Speaker 3: might think, well, if he's a GOP speech writer, was
Speaker 3: he a neo Khon and therefore hated Islam. Not necessarily,
Speaker 3: He's more of a pragmatist because again, in the future
Speaker 3: world that he's envisioning here, Islam and catholicis and Paganism
Speaker 3: have all melded to create this.
Speaker 1: Imperial run religion.
Speaker 3: You remember, I think it was on my channel or
Speaker 3: maybe the Fourth Hour a couple of weeks Sogo. I
Speaker 3: don't remember, but I did a talk on the recent
Speaker 3: book by Magel Gradziano about the CIA's relationship to religion.
Speaker 3: And this is an important text because it's not a
Speaker 3: conspiracy book. It's an academic text charting the history of
Speaker 3: the relationship of the OSS and CIA, two various religious
Speaker 3: groups fanatics, cults all throughout post World War two period
Speaker 3: and into the Cold War. All the way up until
Speaker 3: the nineteen seventy nine Iran Revolution, CIA's relationship to the
Speaker 3: Ayatola again you can nineteen fifty three coup Operation Ajax.
Speaker 3: All of that comes up in the novel or excuse me,
Speaker 3: in the book, but most relevant is the manipulation of
Speaker 3: religious beliefs that the CIA often engaged in to dupe
Speaker 3: and trick indigenous peoples usually so for example, we read
Speaker 3: about Ed Lansdale's usage of the chupacabra basically like a
Speaker 3: form of a chubukabra, where in the Philippines he spread
Speaker 3: this myth of a vampire and this helped to put
Speaker 3: down the Hook rebellion and to aid the CIA puppet
Speaker 3: regime person in the Philippines. Likewise, Ed Lansdale then went
Speaker 3: to Vietnam and participated in what appears to be the
Speaker 3: Phoenix Program, bringing a lot of those horror movie techniques
Speaker 3: of draining bodies of blood and so forth, which are
Speaker 3: then used in Vietnam to scare the Viet Cong as
Speaker 3: a kind of a stile. So that's Phoenix program stuff.
Speaker 3: So then Ed Lansdale proposes the idea of a stage
Speaker 3: second coming of Christ to dupe the Cubans to support
Speaker 3: the West against Castro. Now, a lot of those plans
Speaker 3: weren't used, but you see what I'm getting at is
Speaker 3: that this is the type of strategy, the type of
Speaker 3: plans that are batted around between the Pentagon and the
Speaker 3: intelligence agencies and the generals and the CFR and all
Speaker 3: these high level steering committees and groups. They're thinking about
Speaker 3: in plenty things at that level. So that's also perfectly
Speaker 3: mirroring what is going on in Dune. That's exactly what
Speaker 3: the Witch coven been a Jesuit sisterhood, and that's very
Speaker 3: close to Jesuit. I think that might be intentional on
Speaker 3: the part of Frank Kurbert, although of course Jesuits are
Speaker 3: homosexual men, they're not actually typically women. I don't think
Speaker 3: there It'll be a few years before we get women Jesuits.
Speaker 3: But maybe he was being prophetic and predicting a future where,
Speaker 3: you know, a thousand years from now, all of the
Speaker 3: Jesuits are basically female witches. Hence been a Jesuit, been
Speaker 3: a Jesuit. I'm just joking there. I'm not literally saying that,
Speaker 3: but I'm not joking about both most of them being
Speaker 3: skittles men that's pretty well known.
Speaker 1: But you can see that this is a perfect mirror.
Speaker 3: Again for the religious manipulation via these types of entities
Speaker 3: in the world of Dune that Herbert is explaining and
Speaker 3: telling us through fiction. So beyond that, though this coalition
Speaker 3: occurs where the imperial power united with these corrupt, degenerate pedophiles,
Speaker 3: the Harconans are using false flags and so forth in
Speaker 3: terror to get rid of their enemies, to bring about
Speaker 3: a total monopoly control, which they kind of already have,
Speaker 3: but they're just concerned with a rising rival that they
Speaker 3: can't control. Through this figure of paula Tredes, who becomes
Speaker 3: a symbolic war hero, right, he becomes this figure of
Speaker 3: the revolution against the empire and the system, right against
Speaker 3: the imperial powers.
Speaker 1: And even on the part of Paul and.
Speaker 3: His mom, who's a sort of pseudo Mary character, because
Speaker 3: even though Paul doesn't have a miraculous birth, there is
Speaker 3: an attempt kind of mirroring Moses right, where there's an
Speaker 3: attempt to persecute the Atredees to stamp out the bloodline.
Speaker 3: This is a common motif that we've seen in not
Speaker 3: just biblical literature, but ancient literature, where you want to
Speaker 3: stamp out rivals because bloodlines might produce, you know, a
Speaker 3: future challenge to your throne or to your power. So
Speaker 3: you know, in the Bible we have the stories of
Speaker 3: Pharaoh trying to kill the Israelites and then Moses has
Speaker 3: put on that little raft and he's you know, floated
Speaker 3: away to safety. Likewise, in a mirror of that, Herod
Speaker 3: tries to stamp out the mythologies in Herod's mind, the
Speaker 3: myth because Herod's not a believer of a coming Messiah,
Speaker 3: and so Herod has Israelite children, the firstborn killed, mirroring
Speaker 3: what Pharaoh had done, and that was to stamp out
Speaker 3: the possibility of a Messiah, because if the Jews believed
Speaker 3: in a Messiah, it would empower them, it would give
Speaker 3: them strength and unity. And that was the that was
Speaker 3: the motivation of Herod to try to stamp out that myth. Likewise,
Speaker 3: in the story of Doing, you have this parallel of
Speaker 3: the Savior myth, the Messiah myth. He's called in this
Speaker 3: novel in the Arabic the Mahdi, which is the Arabic
Speaker 3: term for Messiah. He's called the voice from the outer world,
Speaker 3: the voice of God, and so forth, he's the right
Speaker 3: hand of God, so he's a.
Speaker 1: Kind of sort of Messiah type of figure.
Speaker 3: But we find out that this myth, the story has
Speaker 3: been seeded by the Benny jesreits in the Empire for many, many,
Speaker 3: many generations to bring about and control the figure that
Speaker 3: will be this symbolic warrior messiah figure.
Speaker 1: In reality, that what happens is that they're not able
Speaker 1: to control him, and so there's this sort of mystical
Speaker 1: initiation process here.
Speaker 3: I think Herbert is telling us that there's a real
Speaker 3: initialiation that occurs at times.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is good, but I'm saying that
Speaker 1: that drugs become an initiate initiation to seeing things in
Speaker 1: a different way.
Speaker 3: And so for the character of Paul, he undergoes this
Speaker 3: what's very close to a very intense drug trip through.
Speaker 1: Taking the water of life.
Speaker 3: This is kind of a mirror to something like initiation
Speaker 3: into Christianity through baptism or the Lord's Supper or something
Speaker 3: like that. It's kind of a drug version of sacraments.
Speaker 3: And this is really the way that Aldus Huxley, for example,
Speaker 3: spoke of hallucinogens as a form of sacrament to initiate
Speaker 3: people into seeing, you know, higher dimensions, other realities, and this.
Speaker 1: Is what happens to Paul. Paul does the the.
Speaker 3: Initiation right that only the women of the Benni Jesua
Speaker 3: his sister Herd are supposed to do, and Paul goes
Speaker 3: to the place that the women can't go. Feminists thus
Speaker 3: dislike the story. They think it's to patriarchal and whatnot.
Speaker 3: So even though you know, not agreeing with every element
Speaker 3: in the perennials philosophy of the story, there are elements
Speaker 3: of it that are kind of traditional, so to speak, hierarchical.
Speaker 1: That libs don't usually like.
Speaker 3: And that might be why they kind of made the
Speaker 3: Chawny character a sort of a butt her atheist who
Speaker 3: basically in every scene is making a stank face, if
Speaker 3: you know, if you watch the.
Speaker 1: Film, like every scene is her doing that. So she's
Speaker 1: butt her. That's not really in the novel.
Speaker 3: I don't read anything about stank face from Chinese character.
Speaker 3: But anyway, the drug element here, I think speaks to
Speaker 3: another insight that Herbert has not just with maybe studying.
Speaker 3: He's writing in the nineteen sixties, so he's seeing maybe
Speaker 3: the rise of the counter culture of the hippies, the
Speaker 3: experimentations with drugs and whatnot. So I don't know if
Speaker 3: he did it, but I'm saying he's perhaps looking at
Speaker 3: this process in America and maybe applying that to how
Speaker 3: ancient cultures their mysteries are making a comeback. And even
Speaker 3: though Paul's initiated then to become this sort of godfigure
Speaker 3: or quase divine figure, in reality, the more telling element
Speaker 3: is that there are these figures who are conditioned, we're told,
Speaker 3: by the Empire, and they're given to the various noble
Speaker 3: houses to be consultants, to be what they call human supercomputers,
Speaker 3: to be doctors, and so forth. And that's important because
Speaker 3: this imperial conditioning seems to be very parallel to something
Speaker 3: like a form of mk ultra. And we're going to
Speaker 3: see this again with the character of the Trader, character
Speaker 3: of doctor Yue. This is the Alex Jones Show, and
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the aug JOHSM your guest host Jay
Speaker 3: Dyer of Jason Alisis and we're talking about the amazing
Speaker 3: insights and depth that Frank Herbert put in the story
Speaker 3: that really gives us a window into how the real
Speaker 3: power structure of our world works, the global elites, how
Speaker 3: they control things. I'll give you one example that comes
Speaker 3: up in the first novel. Every chapter begins with a
Speaker 3: quote from a fictional book from within the Dune universe.
Speaker 3: And so here we have a quote from one of
Speaker 3: the messages that Paul, the hero is sent to the
Speaker 3: trading guild or excuse me, to the families of the
Speaker 3: elite families of the universe. And he's quoting the emperor
Speaker 3: and pointing out the Emperor's strategy. Get this, he says, quote,
Speaker 3: control the cointage, the money printing, and control the courts,
Speaker 3: and let the rabble have the rest. So the emperor
Speaker 3: is saying, this is Paul quote an emperor, if you
Speaker 3: control the money printing and the courts, I care not
Speaker 3: who the politicians are.
Speaker 1: It sounds very, very It's almost.
Speaker 3: Parallel to the famous Rothschaw quote, give me the power
Speaker 3: to print the money, and I care not who the
Speaker 3: politicians or the presidents are. And also he adds in
Speaker 3: that the strategy of the empire is also to control
Speaker 3: the courts for the legal system. And if you control
Speaker 3: those two things, nothing else really matters. You don't really
Speaker 3: have to control anything else, even the religious element can
Speaker 3: be just another kind of arm of corralling the people
Speaker 3: into the imperial superstructure.
Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying that everything is.
Speaker 3: Fake and everything's controlled. That's not what I'm saying. Not
Speaker 3: everything is faking gay. A lot of things are faking gay,
Speaker 3: but not everything's faking gay.
Speaker 1: But the novel, if you pay attention to all the details,
Speaker 1: you'll find these little nuggets.
Speaker 3: Here and there throughout the book. And by the way,
Speaker 3: all of the novels have these nuggets. As I said,
Speaker 3: in the sequel, you have the notations and the references
Speaker 3: to modifying and experimenting with genetic bloodlines to try to
Speaker 3: produce the eugenic Qui's atatak where they're super being now
Speaker 3: in the in the world of Dune, in this universe,
Speaker 3: as we said, we have this notion of elements of
Speaker 3: mk ultra that he brings to bear.
Speaker 1: Because the empire doesn't just rely on.
Speaker 3: The ability to control money and to you know, control
Speaker 3: the law or whatever. They've also figured out that if
Speaker 3: people are going to be working within certain noble houses,
Speaker 3: then they need to have certain conditioning done to them.
Speaker 3: And so what happens is there's an Imperial conditioning process,
Speaker 3: which supposedly is able to mind control and root out
Speaker 3: any possible betrayal in your in your psyche.
Speaker 1: So they've got you completely kind of social profiled, so
Speaker 1: to speak.
Speaker 3: And weed it out, vetted out from a kind of
Speaker 3: a I mean, I want to I don't want to
Speaker 3: say transhumanist PERSPECTI because there's a ban on AI. However,
Speaker 3: they do have a form of cloning within the Done
Speaker 3: universe and yet not AI. So remember it. It's not
Speaker 3: a future universe where there's no technology. There's just not AI,
Speaker 3: or there's not supposed to be. Later on, there appears
Speaker 3: to be a reemergence of a kind of AI, and
Speaker 3: that ends.
Speaker 1: Up being this Golden Path. And the Golden Path is
Speaker 1: I mean related to the Golden Path.
Speaker 3: The Golden Path is when Paul as the protagonist throughout
Speaker 3: the original story, he has to choose the different timelines
Speaker 3: that he sees in his sort of vision, his pressions.
Speaker 3: He has to choose the one that saves the human race.
Speaker 1: And what we find out, of course, is that Paul
Speaker 1: isn't the real quiz Astarak. It's actually his son that
Speaker 1: becomes the super being, the worm Boy. But Paul is.
Speaker 3: Still a hero because even though he chose the option
Speaker 3: that would lead to global Jahad and didn't want to
Speaker 3: become melded with a worm kind of super being, the
Speaker 3: Jihad ends up being.
Speaker 1: Still the option that allows his son.
Speaker 3: To be born, which then is the option to choose
Speaker 3: the timeline that saves the human race, which as the
Speaker 3: stories progress, turns out to be a salvation that was
Speaker 3: the only possible choice against a future, presumably AI depopulation.
Speaker 3: So the idea is that in the future, those little
Speaker 3: hunter Seeker drones that you see, they eventually develop so
Speaker 3: in such a sophisticated manner that they eventually are programmed
Speaker 3: or programming themselves to get rid of all humans.
Speaker 1: Humans are then seen as the virus. So notice he's
Speaker 1: putting again this idea of depopulation and that the future
Speaker 1: struggle will be against whether humans will survive, whether humans
Speaker 1: will endure and populate the universe, versus an AI entity
Speaker 1: that comes to be that depopulates.
Speaker 3: Now, I don't believe that AI will become conscious. I
Speaker 3: don't think that makes any sense because a robot or
Speaker 3: a computer or whatever it can never do or be
Speaker 3: more than the algorithms that are put into it. Okay,
Speaker 3: it's never going to magically jump beyond the nerd code
Speaker 3: that goes into it, and nerd code never becomes conscious.
Speaker 1: It makes no sense.
Speaker 3: However, the nerds that code the code might encode killing everybody, right,
Speaker 3: So in that sense, it might eventually become advanced enough
Speaker 3: to as we've seen I think this week, AI being
Speaker 3: used I think in Israel to pick certain people to
Speaker 3: target via drones. I think I just glanced at the story.
Speaker 3: I didn't see the whole story, but if something like that, so,
Speaker 3: you know, something like Captain America Winter Soldier. Was that
Speaker 3: Captain America too? I forget, I get all this mixed up.
Speaker 3: The Marvel movies that are all kind of the same, but
Speaker 3: one of those was actually about a future AI that
Speaker 3: could target people that they thought would be future resistors.
Speaker 1: Against the system.
Speaker 3: And so the the drone system was basically ahead of time,
Speaker 3: you know, popping targets from the sky.
Speaker 1: That's again a kind of an analogy.
Speaker 3: To what's going on in the Dune stories as they
Speaker 3: progress towards the end and certain choices are made which
Speaker 3: require great sacrifice to save the human race. So I
Speaker 3: don't think even though it's not a Christian story, there's
Speaker 3: still a lot of good elements, a lot of really
Speaker 3: powerful deep insights in the story that allow us to
Speaker 3: see some positives here.
Speaker 1: Now I mentioned in regard to religion.
Speaker 3: We want to talk about that a little bit, because
Speaker 3: even though the imperial conditioning, as we said, mirrors some
Speaker 3: of the MK Ultra stuff, and we have kind of
Speaker 3: these mind control programmed assassins in dou Messiah, there's a
Speaker 3: sort of clone character who's supposed to be a triggered
Speaker 3: assassin to kill Paul in Paul's children. Even though that's
Speaker 3: you know, loosely kind of parallel to what we see
Speaker 3: in m K Eldra, more interesting in terms of its
Speaker 3: future predictive element was the future acumenist religion and global
Speaker 3: galactic Vatican three space Vatican three we could call it,
Speaker 3: because there's an appendix. Again, I remember he's writing in
Speaker 3: the nineteen sixties, and in this appendix he points out
Speaker 3: that the Empire decides to create the next level of acumenism,
Speaker 3: and he actually.
Speaker 1: Uses the terminology of ecumenism.
Speaker 3: It's the universal ecumenical Council of Space that creates on
Speaker 3: the basis of multiple religious traditions, including the ancient teachings
Speaker 3: of all the religions Islam, Buddhism, elements of the Talmud,
Speaker 3: elements of Hindu philosophy and thought, all combined to produce
Speaker 3: a future universal acumenical meeting after the Butlerian.
Speaker 1: Jahad to destroy Ai. So after they say it's time
Speaker 1: to create a man centric religion of the universe, a
Speaker 1: kind of megagalactic acumenism, as I said, Vatican three in space.
Speaker 1: That's what the entire appendix is about.
Speaker 3: Now this is very fashioning because this is right around
Speaker 3: the time of Vatican Two. So Frank Herbert was at
Speaker 3: least perceptive enough to understand that looking at what was
Speaker 3: happening at the Second Vatican Council and the movement towards ecumenism,
Speaker 3: that this was a move towards not just a broadening
Speaker 3: of the Roman Catholic papal system, but perhaps all the
Speaker 3: world religions now are becoming elements of or arms of
Speaker 3: this super religion, a super structure religion. Again, that's perennialism,
Speaker 3: and so he's consciously putting perennialism into his novel.
Speaker 1: He even explains in.
Speaker 3: This appendix about the religion of Doune that the Ben
Speaker 3: a Jesuit's sisterhood. Who are the key promoters of this
Speaker 3: Acumenist religion again a little too Jesuits, as we said,
Speaker 3: and of course Jesuits, but a cute role invaticant and
Speaker 3: the promotion of the Acumenist movement that they had studied
Speaker 3: mind control, narcotics, drugs, meditation and all of the elements
Speaker 3: of many of the pagan religions to perfect these techniques
Speaker 3: for their Acumenist religion.
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Speaker 3: Going back about ten years of archives, getting deep into
Speaker 3: all the topics that you're hear me covered movies, film
Speaker 3: movies and film literature, geopolitics. We lecture through tons and
Speaker 3: tons of elite writing. We've done Carol Quigley's strategy.
Speaker 1: Hope. We've done Cia.
Speaker 3: Biographies on and on and on, and we're talking today
Speaker 3: about Dune and the hidden the symbolic messages, meanings, the
Speaker 3: codes that Frank Herbert encoded into his novels and into
Speaker 3: the films. And what we find is that as we
Speaker 3: were saying that this future galactic imperial controlled religion is
Speaker 3: trying to create the universe's super being so that the
Speaker 3: power behind the throne can control it and be the
Speaker 3: real universes super being. Now, after this future acumenist world
Speaker 3: or galactic religion is created, Herbert explains, I want to
Speaker 3: read a brief quote here the major dams against the
Speaker 3: anarchy against the Empire's religion, where the Embryo for the
Speaker 3: Guild and the Beni Jesra's Sisterhood and the noble houses.
Speaker 3: This continued it's two thousand year record of meeting in
Speaker 3: spite many their obstacles. The Guild, that's the economic control system,
Speaker 3: their part appeared clear. They gave free transport to all
Speaker 3: the noble houses and the Ecumenical Commission's business.
Speaker 1: The Beni Jesuit Sisterhood's role was more obscure.
Speaker 3: This is the time when they consolidated their hold upon
Speaker 3: all the sorceresses. They explored the subtle uses of narcotics,
Speaker 3: They developed the Prana Bindu training, and received their missionary
Speaker 3: protectiva that's their missionary mandate, that is the black arm
Speaker 3: of superstition. It was also during this period that they
Speaker 3: composed their litany against Fear.
Speaker 1: I will not fear. There's a mind killer right and
Speaker 1: the assembly of the Azhar Book, which is the compilation
Speaker 1: of all the great secrets of all of the ancient religions.
Speaker 1: So you'll notice what they did was they.
Speaker 3: Went beyond just the idea of Christian ecumenism and pulled
Speaker 3: in all the world religions as a form of perennialism
Speaker 3: or perhaps some kind of pseudom sonic philosophy that undergirds
Speaker 3: this future religion. And it says that the acumenists space
Speaker 3: religion that they created was a form of self help
Speaker 3: where the Ecumenists created what they called a new the
Speaker 3: Orange Catholic Bible. This is a future Bible, which is
Speaker 3: all the religions mixed together.
Speaker 1: And it says that.
Speaker 3: The men of this commission were likened to the archaeologists
Speaker 3: of ideas. They were inspired by God in the grandeur
Speaker 3: of their rediscovery there was rediscovering God. So in other words,
Speaker 3: they kind of crawl Young style, piecing together an archaeology
Speaker 3: of ideas.
Speaker 1: I wonder what that sounds like some popular people out
Speaker 1: there right now that are trying to do this very
Speaker 1: thing with their archaeology of.
Speaker 3: Ideas to create a galactic religion. What is this religion? Well,
Speaker 3: it would really just be a kind of form of
Speaker 3: self help.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: The irony is that in the Dune story, as we said,
Speaker 3: as an alvels progress, although Paul isn't the queis outside
Speaker 3: of Rock, there actually does end up being a universus
Speaker 3: super being. So the genetic manipulation of the bloodlines, the
Speaker 3: genetic memory awakenings that can occur in the individual, they
Speaker 3: actually do bring about a universe's super being. It just
Speaker 3: doesn't culminate in the person of Paul and the viny Jazzer.
Speaker 3: It's end up not really controlling this super being. But
Speaker 3: the super being does initiate a kind of a period
Speaker 3: of peace and the salvation of the human race. Because
Speaker 3: what happens is eventually it's an evolutionary process. In this worldview,
Speaker 3: as we said, the AI that makes a comeback seeks
Speaker 3: to completely eradicate and depopulate humanity. And so what happens
Speaker 3: is that the future worm Emperor, the Worm Boy, he
Speaker 3: figures out a way to hide people from the power
Speaker 3: of the Ai and from impressions. So it's a it's
Speaker 3: a very fascinating combination of elements of, as we said,
Speaker 3: real geopolitical events, how the world is actually run on
Speaker 3: the basis of the control of resources, whether it's water
Speaker 3: on the planet of Dune, it's how rare it is
Speaker 3: as a commodity, whether it's the spice, which is at
Speaker 3: once a kind of mechanism for travel and a drug
Speaker 3: that gives you enlightenment, gives you insight and kind of
Speaker 3: in a way initiate you. The actual religious theology is
Speaker 3: very amorphous and unclear.
Speaker 1: It's kind of at times agnostic at times, it's deism
Speaker 1: at times, it's determinism and predestination at times, it's sort
Speaker 1: of Islamic, at times, it's pay it's kind of unclear
Speaker 1: what this deity is in this world, in this universe
Speaker 1: of Dune.
Speaker 3: But setting out aside, we can still find a lot
Speaker 3: of fascinating parallels. Again, maybe not so much on the
Speaker 3: religious side of things, unless you want to read the
Speaker 3: worm emperors, perhaps symbolic of the Savior is more than
Speaker 3: just human and requires a great sacrifice. Right, in that sense,
Speaker 3: Christ was more than human in our view. He was
Speaker 3: also fully divine, although fully human, and he also engaged
Speaker 3: in great sacrifice, sacrificing his life for the salvation of
Speaker 3: the human race. So that we find Savior parallels that
Speaker 3: could be read into this in a charitable way.
Speaker 1: So to speak.
Speaker 3: But again setting that aside, it's more valuable, I think
Speaker 3: for its geopolitical insights and its revelations of things like geoengineering,
Speaker 3: where we have doctor Kines that's played by Maxiwaan Seidau
Speaker 3: in the David Lynch version, he's the imperial ecologist who
Speaker 3: is actually a Fremen.
Speaker 1: I think he's a if I recall he's a frem
Speaker 1: and spy, and we.
Speaker 3: Have insights into espionage handlers, how spy agencies, how power
Speaker 3: structures think about religion as a tool. They don't believe it,
Speaker 3: they don't care about the religion. It's purely a pragmatic
Speaker 3: tool for the imperial power to continue. And that's relevant
Speaker 3: for us because unfortunately, many of our elites, many.
Speaker 1: Of our leaders, also see.
Speaker 3: Religion as a tool, as we saw with the case
Speaker 3: of Ed Lansdale and many of the CIA operatives who
Speaker 3: wanted to stage all kinds of religious miracles to prop
Speaker 3: up the CIA narrative. We think about the Vatican Bank
Speaker 3: and Operation Gladio and the Terror and the Black Operation
Speaker 3: funding that was all tied up into the Vatican Bank
Speaker 3: and Gladio and the OSS and CIA, again speaking to
Speaker 3: the corruption of the empire, and there could be some
Speaker 3: element of how Islam or radical Islam fits into this
Speaker 3: usage as well, although in the story of Doune, the
Speaker 3: Islamic Ish Fremen people end up being the people that
Speaker 3: fight this jihad and become the sort of radical adherents
Speaker 3: of the religion of Paul. Now, a lot of people
Speaker 3: I'm going to make one side comment here about the
Speaker 3: next novel, because a lot of people don't find the
Speaker 3: sequel to be that interesting. It's very much a political
Speaker 3: conspiracy book. And that's fascinating in my view because I
Speaker 3: did like doing Messiah quite a bit. The first novel
Speaker 3: is very much an action, you know, grandiose Game of
Speaker 3: Throne style story. The sequel is much more of a
Speaker 3: deep philosophical geopolitical conspiracy book. And in that book we
Speaker 3: have the attempt not just to assassinate Paul, but to
Speaker 3: make sure that he doesn't have offspring, because Chani is
Speaker 3: given abortifacians by the Princess. So Paul is forced into
Speaker 3: a political marriage at the end of Dune, as you
Speaker 3: probably know, but he's also has Chani as his concubine.
Speaker 3: What's more interesting is his sister, this character Alia, who
Speaker 3: has in many ways perhaps more power or potential power
Speaker 3: than Paul. And spoiler alert, Paul and Alia are related
Speaker 3: to the Baron. Paul's mom is an unknown daughter, except
Speaker 3: they find out through the initiation process that they're the
Speaker 3: genetic offspring of Baron Harconin. So when Paul's sister becomes
Speaker 3: prominent as she grows older, and you see her in
Speaker 3: the new film briefly, it's played by Anya Taylor Joid.
Speaker 3: They've just said they're going to make Dune three, so
Speaker 3: do Messiah will presumably have a lot to say or
Speaker 3: will be a big part of the next Dune installment
Speaker 3: in terms of the films, and so Alia's character will
Speaker 3: become a or a Babylon type of figure.
Speaker 1: That's what I found to be really fascinating.
Speaker 3: And I'm not stretching it either, because if you read
Speaker 3: to Do novels, there's places where Paul quotes the Book
Speaker 3: of Revelation.
Speaker 1: So Herbert was consciously knowledge.
Speaker 3: He had a conscious awareness of the horror of Babylon,
Speaker 3: this sort of imagery. And there's a specific ritual in
Speaker 3: the next one where Alia becomes something like the scarlet
Speaker 3: woman and she's chanted and worshiped and spoiler alert, she
Speaker 3: will go insane and become possessed.
Speaker 1: So I think again he's.
Speaker 3: Drawing not just from you know, geopolitical stuff, but now
Speaker 3: he's also drawing from sort of horror of Babylon Revelation
Speaker 3: seventeen eighteen imagery to give us the potential future feminist
Speaker 3: goddess religion. And what happens. Alia goes insane, she becomes
Speaker 3: possessed by the alternate personality of her, of the emperor
Speaker 3: or the baron of.
Speaker 1: Whom she's a relative.
Speaker 3: So a lot of fascinating warnings and symbols and elements
Speaker 3: in the done stories, and this is Jay Nyer of Jason. Also,
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