1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,519 Speaker 1: Well, other networks lie to you about what's happening now. 2 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:08,599 Speaker 2: In vo Wars tells you the truth about what's happening next. 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: Visit info wars dot com, Forward slash Show and share 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:13,000 the link. Today. 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 3: Welcome to the fourth hour of the Auleux Jones Sum 6 00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:18,440 your guest host Jaydy or Jay's analysis. Today, we're gonna 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:19,839 do something a little bit different. I want to give 8 00:00:19,879 --> 00:00:24,960 us a deep dive into the novel and the film 9 00:00:25,559 --> 00:00:30,440 Dune by Frank Herbert. Dune is the nineteen sixty five 10 00:00:30,559 --> 00:00:33,799 novel that I think is typically classed as the top 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:39,439 selling science fiction novel of all time. I remember growing 12 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,759 up watching this the David Lynch version, which many people dislike, 13 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,479 actually like it quite a bit. I didn't read the 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,520 novel until some years into the two thousands, I forgar 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,079 exactly what year, And I remember Alex talking about the 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,200 Dune series quite a bit, and I remember that Seleusa 17 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,799 Secundas is the prison planet. So I thought, well, maybe 18 00:00:59,799 --> 00:01:03,640 there's some association that Alex had between why he named 19 00:01:03,799 --> 00:01:08,480 one of the website's prison planet and this, this. 20 00:01:09,799 --> 00:01:12,159 Speaker 1: Element of Doune, this great story. 21 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 3: So I decided to dive into it and I've not 22 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,959 read the whole series. I'm about three novels in, but 23 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,439 I have read the first one with much attention and detail, 24 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,799 and the reason that I was really blown away was 25 00:01:26,079 --> 00:01:36,519 that Herbert includes a tremendous amount of geopolitical, religious, sociological, ecological, esoteric, 26 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,000 you name it, it's all included in this novel, which is very, 27 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:41,719 in my view, very rare. 28 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,239 Speaker 1: For sci fi. Every now and then a science fiction author, 29 00:01:44,719 --> 00:01:46,519 maybe a Philip K. Dick, or maybe. 30 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:51,079 Speaker 3: Even somebody like a William Gibson, you know, they'll include 31 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,920 some pretty esoteric elements, but they don't usually get into 32 00:01:54,959 --> 00:02:00,640 things like real world geopolitics, putting that into the novel, control, 33 00:02:00,959 --> 00:02:06,159 alternate personalities, genetic memories, trigger codes, assassins, the kind of 34 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:08,840 stuff that we read about in the CIA'SMK Ultra documents. 35 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,919 It's very odd to find this in a nineteen sixty 36 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,879 five novel from Frank Herbert. 37 00:02:15,479 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: And so with the recent. 38 00:02:17,879 --> 00:02:23,439 Speaker 3: Release of Doune from the famous director Dennis VILLAINEU don't 39 00:02:23,439 --> 00:02:25,719 you dare say villain nweiva, even though that's what it 40 00:02:25,719 --> 00:02:28,840 looks like, because every nerd will can immediately correct you. 41 00:02:31,319 --> 00:02:35,800 This recent instantiation I thought was really well done. And 42 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,759 then of course Dune Too came out a couple of 43 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,159 weeks ago and is now considered like the new Lord 44 00:02:41,159 --> 00:02:41,680 of the Rings. 45 00:02:41,719 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: The nerds are going crazy. 46 00:02:43,319 --> 00:02:46,719 Speaker 3: It's getting all these accolades might win awards, and I 47 00:02:46,759 --> 00:02:49,120 believe they just confirmed that they're going to make the 48 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:51,199 next one Dune Messiah. 49 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,439 Speaker 1: So you said, well, this is pop culture. Why do 50 00:02:54,479 --> 00:02:55,120 I care about this? 51 00:02:55,159 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 3: Because remember, as we covered here in my analysis on 52 00:02:58,719 --> 00:03:01,960 several Fourth Hours and my two books Esotery Hollywood one 53 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:02,879 and two, I do have an. 54 00:03:03,159 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: In depth analysis of Doune in Esotery Collywood Too. 55 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 3: If you want to read that, that's a literary essay. 56 00:03:08,879 --> 00:03:10,840 It's important to do this because a lot of times 57 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,159 the fiction prepares us for where the system wants to go. 58 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:19,120 We call that predicted programming. Not all fiction is predicted programming. 59 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,240 Not all movies aren't necessarily predict the future. Sometimes authors 60 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,120 and writers who perhaps come out of the intelligence world 61 00:03:26,199 --> 00:03:30,680 want to put what really happened into their stories. For example, 62 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,080 I watched this week a series called Little Drummer Girl, 63 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,800 which is a nineteen eighty two John lecar A novel. 64 00:03:37,879 --> 00:03:42,599 John Leacaray was in the British Intelligence Service, that whole sector. 65 00:03:42,759 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: He worked for five and for six, and so he put. 66 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,319 Speaker 3: Those kind of real world things that he learned into 67 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,159 his stories, much like Ian Fleming did, but in a 68 00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:55,120 more realistic way. James Bond is very kind of cartoonish 69 00:03:55,199 --> 00:03:58,599 and got a lot of Hollywood elements. Lacara strive to 70 00:03:58,639 --> 00:04:02,919 have a really realistic approach to his to his spy fiction. 71 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,479 But what's fascinating about that series is that it was 72 00:04:06,479 --> 00:04:09,319 written in nineteen eighty two and it dealt with the 73 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:14,439 facing off between the masade and the PLO and so 74 00:04:14,479 --> 00:04:15,199 there's a lot of. 75 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: Fakery, there's lot of stagecraft, there's false flags. 76 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 3: All that goes into what you might expect in Lacara 77 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,360 telling us, as the novel says, terror is theater, I'm 78 00:04:24,399 --> 00:04:26,759 not saying by that that there aren't real terror attacks, 79 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,959 that everything's fake. When im saying that, I'm saying that 80 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,079 the point of the novel is that terror has a 81 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:37,600 specific goal of theatrics of scaring people. And Dune also 82 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,319 includes a lot of these same principles of real world geopolitics. 83 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,720 And although as I understand he was Frank Herbrah'm speaking 84 00:04:44,759 --> 00:04:48,199 of it was a gop speech writer. I don't know 85 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,480 that he had any necessary, necessarily intelligence connections, but he 86 00:04:52,519 --> 00:04:54,800 seemed to really know in some sense what was going on, 87 00:04:55,199 --> 00:05:00,160 even getting to pretty wild things like geoengineering, terrorforming, all 88 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,879 kinds of wild things. This is the Alex John schump 89 00:05:02,879 --> 00:05:04,959 You Guesstos Jaydi as we do a deep dive into 90 00:05:04,959 --> 00:05:07,959 the predicted programming of Dune. Welcome back to the fourth 91 00:05:07,959 --> 00:05:10,680 hour of the Alex Johns Schulman Guestos Jay Dye or Jasonalysis, 92 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,439 and we're doing a deep dive into the story of 93 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,120 Doune in both the written text from Frank Herbert and 94 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,120 the visual presentations that we've seen, particularly the more recent 95 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:25,040 release the blockbuster Done Too, which everyone is talking about. 96 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:27,720 It's the first time many are saying that they've had 97 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,600 a wild theatrical experience where they felt like a movie 98 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,360 really moved them. And they say, this hasn't happened since 99 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:38,959 Lord of the Rings or since you know, films like 100 00:05:39,399 --> 00:05:43,279 The Matrix something like this, where both the visuals, the sound, 101 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:48,079 the storytelling was all pretty much top notch. Now, as 102 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,639 you said, Frank Herbert himself was an interesting character who 103 00:05:52,399 --> 00:05:54,399 was not on the liberal side of things. You know, 104 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,279 you think of science fiction authors as being these sort 105 00:05:57,319 --> 00:06:00,399 of libs who want to promote the idea of a 106 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:06,399 never ending so called progress. They're irreligious against the mystical. 107 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:11,920 They have a future of pure scientism and utopia ahead 108 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,000 of us, and we don't find that in Dune at all. 109 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:19,279 In fact, one of the most striking disparities between science 110 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,040 fiction writers and what Herbert presents is the banning of Ai. 111 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,399 In fact, in the world of Dune, there was this 112 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,800 event that happened where AI got so advanced that it 113 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:36,519 actually enslaved the humans. And so I think ten thousand 114 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,839 years or so before the events of what we read 115 00:06:38,879 --> 00:06:42,360 in Dune, there was this jihad they called it. It's 116 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,720 called the Butlerian Jahad, and this was a religious crusade 117 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:52,839 against Ai. So not only is there no future utopia 118 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,800 in this series, but there's also a specifically anti Ai, 119 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,519 pro human bent. And in regard to the villains, you 120 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:08,120 have this nefarious coalition of the emperor, who is the 121 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,560 emperor of the known universe, who's made an alliance with 122 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,519 one of the royal houses known as the Harconans. The 123 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,920 Harconins are these very degenerate, pedophile and in some versions 124 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:22,680 cannibalistic people group who basically live on an hr Giger 125 00:07:22,759 --> 00:07:28,000 style planet, and their plan is to take over the 126 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,079 planet of Dune or Aracus, which is a desert planet 127 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,560 where there is this drug that has all of these 128 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,879 mystical powers and capabilities, known as the spice. And to 129 00:07:38,959 --> 00:07:42,959 control the spice is like controlling something like the heroin trade, 130 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,800 or to control something like oil. 131 00:07:44,879 --> 00:07:47,639 Speaker 1: So imagine if you could combine oil and heroin. 132 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 3: That's what we would have with the spice, and or 133 00:07:50,639 --> 00:07:55,199 maybe something more hallucinogenic than heroin. But in regard to geopolitics, 134 00:07:55,199 --> 00:08:00,360 if it's very well with Herbert, borrowing from Middle East 135 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:05,560 cultures such as Sufis, or borrowing from Sunni Islam, or 136 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:09,639 borrowing from Bedouin tribes, these all go into being the 137 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,240 influences for the native people of the planet of Doune 138 00:08:13,439 --> 00:08:15,759 called the Fremen, and I think there's a play on words. 139 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: They're the free men, and so they have. 140 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:21,959 Speaker 3: An odd sort of syncretistic religion, the Fremen, where they 141 00:08:21,959 --> 00:08:30,040 have been influenced by Zen philosophy, Sunni Islam, paganism, Catholicism. 142 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:35,919 Because after the Butalerian Jihad, there was a universal galactic 143 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:40,559 ecumenical council basically like Vatican three in space, where an 144 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:46,639 ecumenical council of Dorks compiled together basically a new religion, 145 00:08:46,919 --> 00:08:51,840 and this religion became a quasi humanist religion, a kind 146 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,720 of a process philosophy where man could never be enslaved 147 00:08:55,919 --> 00:09:00,879 to AI. So a big pillar foundation of the future 148 00:09:00,919 --> 00:09:04,279 religion here is anti AI. They do have tech, so 149 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,320 don't misunderstand me. They have very advanced technology, and they 150 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,600 have genetically advanced human beings and people that are genetically modified, 151 00:09:12,039 --> 00:09:16,799 but not AI. And so again unique turn of events 152 00:09:16,799 --> 00:09:23,639 there with contrasting that to most soyence fiction. There's also 153 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,440 the as we said, this coalition of corrupt people who 154 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:30,799 with an emperor and the baron, they want to take 155 00:09:30,879 --> 00:09:35,240 over this planet and to really harvest the profits. 156 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:36,799 Speaker 1: And they work together with this. 157 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 3: Economic entity called the Guild, and the Guild and the navigators. 158 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,919 These people they control travel and they control the spice. 159 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,120 That's their goals to completely control and they'll have the 160 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,639 upper hand in the universe by doing so. But in 161 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,320 order to do this, they have to get rid of 162 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,480 certain rival families that's. 163 00:09:53,279 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: The Atradees family. 164 00:09:54,399 --> 00:09:57,519 Speaker 3: So clearly Herbert is borring from a lot of classic 165 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:02,120 stories of intrigue, a courtly entry, espionage. You could think about, 166 00:10:02,159 --> 00:10:05,639 you know, George RR. Martin's Game of Thrones being very 167 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:07,679 similar to what you see in Done, but Dune was 168 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,240 one of the first sci fi stories to really pull 169 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,480 from medieval you know, intrigues and espionage with houses and 170 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:21,039 kings and queens. And again, that heraldry, noble element, the 171 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,559 hierarchical monarchy element, is not something you typically think of 172 00:10:25,639 --> 00:10:28,720 in terms of future science fiction. You think that's, oh, 173 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:30,840 that's a relic of the past. Well, again, we have 174 00:10:30,879 --> 00:10:35,440 another thing that Herbert carries over, presumably because he thinks 175 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,240 it's natural that hierarchy is natural to mankind. Hierarchy is 176 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:43,120 found in nature. I'm gonna hierarchies, right, That's never gonna 177 00:10:43,159 --> 00:10:44,919 go away. There's always going to be these hierarchies. And 178 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,320 so he puts this into his his stories. 179 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: And this, as we said, this house that's being persecuted, 180 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:53,399 this noble house. 181 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 3: The trade is they're known as a righteous household there. 182 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,200 They're a good, a noble family. They come from a 183 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:04,600 water based planet called Kalidan, and they intend to be 184 00:11:04,759 --> 00:11:05,840 the rulers. 185 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: They're being baited. 186 00:11:06,639 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 3: Into coming to this planet to be as they believe 187 00:11:11,399 --> 00:11:14,919 at the friendship and best of the Emperor, given the 188 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,919 dukedom or given the control of the planet of Iracus, 189 00:11:17,919 --> 00:11:21,039 and they believe they'll make profit from this, being involved 190 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:22,519 in the spice trade and so forth. 191 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: And of course they find out that this was a 192 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:25,240 giant trap. 193 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: It's kind of a false flag type of event where 194 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,240 they're led into this scenario where they're trapped and almost 195 00:11:32,279 --> 00:11:35,519 all of House of Trades is destroyed except for the 196 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:40,720 promising young protagonist, Paul a Trades. Paul, I think in 197 00:11:40,759 --> 00:11:44,000 the novel is something like fourteen fifteen, sixteen years old, 198 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,720 so he's a younger guy, and if you watch the 199 00:11:46,799 --> 00:11:51,720 recent instantiation they chose I think, I think somebody who's 200 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,919 a more fitting version of Paul. In the older version 201 00:11:54,919 --> 00:11:57,639 with David Lynch, Kyle McLaughlin is a little too old 202 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,519 to be playing that character. But regardless, it's a very 203 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,519 well executed presentation of the novel and it tries to 204 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:05,960 stick pretty. 205 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: Faithful to the story. 206 00:12:06,759 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 3: There's some minor variations with the Zendaia character in the. 207 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: Sequel part two. 208 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,039 Speaker 3: But anyway back to the main point, which is that 209 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,240 so We've got this imperial intrigue story, this planet, the 210 00:12:19,279 --> 00:12:21,559 resources trying to be controlled. What does this have to 211 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:25,240 do with global geopolitical conspiracies and nchaultra It sounds like 212 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:26,440 you're just reaching here, Jay. 213 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: Well. 214 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 3: Actually again, remember this is written in nineteen sixty five. 215 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:35,919 Frank Herbert's a future where there's geoengineering. There's actually planetary 216 00:12:35,919 --> 00:12:40,519 ecologists from involved in terraforming, and they actually geoengineer planets. 217 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:45,799 He talks about the dangers of technocracy. He talks about. 218 00:12:46,879 --> 00:12:50,799 Speaker 1: Elite bloodlines and that these elite bloodlines. 219 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 3: Have the ability to pass on genetic memories that can 220 00:12:54,759 --> 00:12:59,480 be awakened through certain events, through certain training, through trauma, 221 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:04,080 through war or fair the odd amorphous religion of the 222 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,799 universe of Doune, all of these can be ways to 223 00:13:06,879 --> 00:13:12,320 awaken these innate potentialities and powers within man. According to 224 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,639 Frank Kerbert, I believe that a lot of that's true. 225 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,240 Obviously I have religious beliefs, but I think, again. 226 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,399 Speaker 1: This is very unique, and you just don't see this 227 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:23,120 in science fiction. 228 00:13:23,279 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 3: Usually science fiction is kind of atheistic. Now, some people 229 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,240 argue that this storyline is atheistic. However, we find that 230 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,320 odd things happen. As the novels progress, it gets very bizarre, 231 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:37,960 with basically somebody melding with a worm to become the 232 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,879 worm Emperor. There might be some symbolic meanings to that, 233 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,559 but really the question is about this Messiah. So we 234 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:51,639 have the storyline that the elite bloodlines have planted throughout 235 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:58,879 the various colonies that they study for eugenic purposes. So 236 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,720 the structure has a religious arm known as the Beni 237 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,399 Jesuits Sisterhood, and these are a covenant of witches. 238 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: They're called witches, but really. 239 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 3: They've become these sort of like female bitchy jedies and 240 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,279 they can kind of do you know, tricks with their 241 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,600 voice and mind control and hypnotism and you know, maybe 242 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,440 see a little bit of the future, not a lot 243 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,919 here and there. They have pressions to a degree. And 244 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,919 so this Sisterhood is a spoken of as kind of 245 00:14:27,919 --> 00:14:32,679 a secret society, but they're a secret society that is 246 00:14:32,799 --> 00:14:35,919 much more than what we think of as mystery rights. No, 247 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:41,360 they're actually intelligence handlers. And they're not just intelligence handlers. 248 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:46,360 They're also said to be manipulators of eugenic bloodlines. That's 249 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,200 the terminology that's used in the novel, So this is 250 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,799 not my interpretation. If you look at Doing Messiah, it 251 00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:57,759 talks about the Benny Jesuous Sisterhood operating like a eugenics 252 00:14:57,799 --> 00:15:01,240 cult that studies the different culture on the different planets 253 00:15:01,639 --> 00:15:05,799 to pick out who can be the most fitter, most 254 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:11,600 evolved version of these different tribes to eventually create what 255 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:15,639 they call the super Being. The super being is and 256 00:15:15,759 --> 00:15:19,759 in their mind, going to be some future woman they think, 257 00:15:19,879 --> 00:15:22,679 they hope that they can control, so they want to 258 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,919 be the power behind the throne. But their techniques are 259 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,679 basically exactly that of a combination of like a jesuit 260 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:38,480 and a CIA handler. So that's literally what is in 261 00:15:38,559 --> 00:15:42,879 the novel, and that's kind of exactly how intelligence handlers 262 00:15:42,919 --> 00:15:45,200 work in the real world. If you remember when we 263 00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:48,600 read an a lecture through the famous CIA operative Miles 264 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:53,320 Copeland's book Game of Nations, he writes this lengthy treat 265 00:15:53,399 --> 00:15:57,519 us about all of his operations and consulting in Syria 266 00:15:57,559 --> 00:16:00,279 and in Egypt throughout the Cold War, and then he 267 00:16:00,279 --> 00:16:01,519 says at the end of the book, if you want 268 00:16:01,559 --> 00:16:03,519 to know why we use terrorists and why we do 269 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,039 all of this, and that he says, it's very simple 270 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,679 go read Bertrand Russell, the Council Formulations, James Burnham, and 271 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,960 the Managerial Society, and you'll understand that it's all about 272 00:16:13,399 --> 00:16:15,559 eugenics and depopulate. 273 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: All of that. 274 00:16:17,919 --> 00:16:20,919 Speaker 3: So all these CIA Cold war operations, it's about the 275 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,360 long term goal of where they want to take these 276 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,879 countries for the future goals of depopulation and technocracy. He 277 00:16:27,919 --> 00:16:30,559 actually says that there's an appendix at the back of 278 00:16:30,559 --> 00:16:33,360 the book that is a recommended reading list of a 279 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,960 bunch of globalist documents, all the stuff that you hear 280 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,720 me talking about. So you think, where'd you get this? 281 00:16:38,879 --> 00:16:41,200 You're just making this up. It's all conspiracy theories, you know. 282 00:16:41,279 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: Actually the global elite writers give you appendices that give 283 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:49,240 you bibliographies that tell you what to read, And in 284 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:53,639 fact Doune actually has some fascinating bibliographies itself the back 285 00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:54,200 of the book. 286 00:16:54,039 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 3: That we're going to look at that shows you a 287 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,679 lot of what I'm talking about. So it's not conspiracy theory. 288 00:16:59,679 --> 00:17:02,120 It's this is what writers do. 289 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: Writer this. 290 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 3: They put these clues, they put these topics into their 291 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:08,839 book because it's. 292 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: What's going on in the real world. So I'm not 293 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,319 saying there's an exact one to one parallel. There's no 294 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,359 perfect parallel to who the Fremen are these native people 295 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:19,720 of Doune. They're kind of a. 296 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:24,799 Speaker 3: Mix of, as I said, Zuni Sunni Islam, Sufi Islam. 297 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:30,000 They're a mix of Zen philosophy at Bedouin tribes, Afghanis 298 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,240 So they're kind of all of that in this future 299 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:34,559 desert people group. 300 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: So there's a clear connection that I want to mention 301 00:17:37,079 --> 00:17:37,759 to Islam. 302 00:17:38,799 --> 00:17:41,799 Speaker 3: And I think Alex mentioned this maybe a week or 303 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:44,160 two ago in one of his broadcasts that he was 304 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,640 saying that you enjoyed Dune part two, but he felt 305 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,960 like there might be some predictive programming in relationship to Islam. 306 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:54,920 And that's interesting that we did see the events in 307 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,839 Russia where the isis this course, Western backed and created 308 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:05,920 cut out acclaimed responsibility for the events in Russia's nine 309 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,319 to eleven in my view, because they were heading back 310 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,680 to the Ukraine. The terrorists in this case, they were 311 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,599 probably most likely put up to this by the Ukrainian regime. 312 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: That makes the most sense in my view, and that's 313 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,039 what fits the Gladiol model. 314 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,799 Speaker 3: I don't know if there was any intentional association between 315 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,160 the Dune story and what's going on there. But it 316 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,680 is an interesting parallel, at least in the fact that, 317 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,000 as we said in the story of Dune, they're clearly 318 00:18:35,039 --> 00:18:39,920 pulling from Jihad, Islam, all these terms that we are 319 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,839 very familiar with. And that has to do with I 320 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,200 think Frank Herbert being a GOP speech writer. Now you 321 00:18:46,279 --> 00:18:48,440 might think, well, if he's a GOP speech writer, was 322 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,599 he a neo Khon and therefore hated Islam. Not necessarily, 323 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,680 He's more of a pragmatist because again, in the future 324 00:18:56,039 --> 00:19:01,039 world that he's envisioning here, Islam and catholicis and Paganism 325 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,839 have all melded to create this. 326 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,839 Speaker 1: Imperial run religion. 327 00:19:07,559 --> 00:19:10,279 Speaker 3: You remember, I think it was on my channel or 328 00:19:10,319 --> 00:19:12,200 maybe the Fourth Hour a couple of weeks Sogo. I 329 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,119 don't remember, but I did a talk on the recent 330 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:19,720 book by Magel Gradziano about the CIA's relationship to religion. 331 00:19:20,319 --> 00:19:22,720 And this is an important text because it's not a 332 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,880 conspiracy book. It's an academic text charting the history of 333 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,160 the relationship of the OSS and CIA, two various religious 334 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:34,200 groups fanatics, cults all throughout post World War two period 335 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,920 and into the Cold War. All the way up until 336 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:41,400 the nineteen seventy nine Iran Revolution, CIA's relationship to the 337 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:47,720 Ayatola again you can nineteen fifty three coup Operation Ajax. 338 00:19:47,759 --> 00:19:50,480 All of that comes up in the novel or excuse me, 339 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,880 in the book, but most relevant is the manipulation of 340 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:59,519 religious beliefs that the CIA often engaged in to dupe 341 00:19:59,759 --> 00:20:04,319 and trick indigenous peoples usually so for example, we read 342 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:10,920 about Ed Lansdale's usage of the chupacabra basically like a 343 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,759 form of a chubukabra, where in the Philippines he spread 344 00:20:13,759 --> 00:20:16,839 this myth of a vampire and this helped to put 345 00:20:16,839 --> 00:20:20,720 down the Hook rebellion and to aid the CIA puppet 346 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,400 regime person in the Philippines. Likewise, Ed Lansdale then went 347 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,599 to Vietnam and participated in what appears to be the 348 00:20:28,599 --> 00:20:34,240 Phoenix Program, bringing a lot of those horror movie techniques 349 00:20:34,279 --> 00:20:37,359 of draining bodies of blood and so forth, which are 350 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,680 then used in Vietnam to scare the Viet Cong as 351 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,119 a kind of a stile. So that's Phoenix program stuff. 352 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,319 So then Ed Lansdale proposes the idea of a stage 353 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,640 second coming of Christ to dupe the Cubans to support 354 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,960 the West against Castro. Now, a lot of those plans 355 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,079 weren't used, but you see what I'm getting at is 356 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,200 that this is the type of strategy, the type of 357 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,319 plans that are batted around between the Pentagon and the 358 00:21:04,319 --> 00:21:07,720 intelligence agencies and the generals and the CFR and all 359 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,279 these high level steering committees and groups. They're thinking about 360 00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:15,799 in plenty things at that level. So that's also perfectly 361 00:21:16,039 --> 00:21:19,079 mirroring what is going on in Dune. That's exactly what 362 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,680 the Witch coven been a Jesuit sisterhood, and that's very 363 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,759 close to Jesuit. I think that might be intentional on 364 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:30,400 the part of Frank Kurbert, although of course Jesuits are 365 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,000 homosexual men, they're not actually typically women. I don't think 366 00:21:36,039 --> 00:21:38,599 there It'll be a few years before we get women Jesuits. 367 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,480 But maybe he was being prophetic and predicting a future where, 368 00:21:42,279 --> 00:21:44,519 you know, a thousand years from now, all of the 369 00:21:44,599 --> 00:21:49,119 Jesuits are basically female witches. Hence been a Jesuit, been 370 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,400 a Jesuit. I'm just joking there. I'm not literally saying that, 371 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,079 but I'm not joking about both most of them being 372 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:56,799 skittles men that's pretty well known. 373 00:21:58,039 --> 00:22:00,839 Speaker 1: But you can see that this is a perfect mirror. 374 00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 3: Again for the religious manipulation via these types of entities 375 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,480 in the world of Dune that Herbert is explaining and 376 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:12,720 telling us through fiction. So beyond that, though this coalition 377 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:18,599 occurs where the imperial power united with these corrupt, degenerate pedophiles, 378 00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:23,440 the Harconans are using false flags and so forth in 379 00:22:23,519 --> 00:22:27,400 terror to get rid of their enemies, to bring about 380 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,400 a total monopoly control, which they kind of already have, 381 00:22:32,519 --> 00:22:35,240 but they're just concerned with a rising rival that they 382 00:22:35,319 --> 00:22:39,440 can't control. Through this figure of paula Tredes, who becomes 383 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:44,160 a symbolic war hero, right, he becomes this figure of 384 00:22:44,519 --> 00:22:48,839 the revolution against the empire and the system, right against 385 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,000 the imperial powers. 386 00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: And even on the part of Paul and. 387 00:22:53,319 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 3: His mom, who's a sort of pseudo Mary character, because 388 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,359 even though Paul doesn't have a miraculous birth, there is 389 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,119 an attempt kind of mirroring Moses right, where there's an 390 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,400 attempt to persecute the Atredees to stamp out the bloodline. 391 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,599 This is a common motif that we've seen in not 392 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,559 just biblical literature, but ancient literature, where you want to 393 00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:18,440 stamp out rivals because bloodlines might produce, you know, a 394 00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:21,759 future challenge to your throne or to your power. So 395 00:23:22,079 --> 00:23:23,720 you know, in the Bible we have the stories of 396 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,960 Pharaoh trying to kill the Israelites and then Moses has 397 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,960 put on that little raft and he's you know, floated 398 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,319 away to safety. Likewise, in a mirror of that, Herod 399 00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:38,240 tries to stamp out the mythologies in Herod's mind, the 400 00:23:38,319 --> 00:23:41,839 myth because Herod's not a believer of a coming Messiah, 401 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:47,240 and so Herod has Israelite children, the firstborn killed, mirroring 402 00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:51,440 what Pharaoh had done, and that was to stamp out 403 00:23:51,599 --> 00:23:55,079 the possibility of a Messiah, because if the Jews believed 404 00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:57,359 in a Messiah, it would empower them, it would give 405 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,400 them strength and unity. And that was the that was 406 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,559 the motivation of Herod to try to stamp out that myth. Likewise, 407 00:24:05,599 --> 00:24:09,440 in the story of Doing, you have this parallel of 408 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:13,799 the Savior myth, the Messiah myth. He's called in this 409 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:17,279 novel in the Arabic the Mahdi, which is the Arabic 410 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,759 term for Messiah. He's called the voice from the outer world, 411 00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:24,519 the voice of God, and so forth, he's the right 412 00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:26,279 hand of God, so he's a. 413 00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: Kind of sort of Messiah type of figure. 414 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,039 Speaker 3: But we find out that this myth, the story has 415 00:24:32,079 --> 00:24:36,960 been seeded by the Benny jesreits in the Empire for many, many, 416 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,839 many generations to bring about and control the figure that 417 00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:46,000 will be this symbolic warrior messiah figure. 418 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,079 Speaker 1: In reality, that what happens is that they're not able 419 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,240 to control him, and so there's this sort of mystical 420 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,920 initiation process here. 421 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,039 Speaker 3: I think Herbert is telling us that there's a real 422 00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:01,680 initialiation that occurs at times. 423 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is good, but I'm saying that 424 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,920 that drugs become an initiate initiation to seeing things in 425 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:08,680 a different way. 426 00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:13,319 Speaker 3: And so for the character of Paul, he undergoes this 427 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,559 what's very close to a very intense drug trip through. 428 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,759 Speaker 1: Taking the water of life. 429 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 3: This is kind of a mirror to something like initiation 430 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,240 into Christianity through baptism or the Lord's Supper or something 431 00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:27,839 like that. It's kind of a drug version of sacraments. 432 00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:30,279 And this is really the way that Aldus Huxley, for example, 433 00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:35,160 spoke of hallucinogens as a form of sacrament to initiate 434 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,759 people into seeing, you know, higher dimensions, other realities, and this. 435 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: Is what happens to Paul. Paul does the the. 436 00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 3: Initiation right that only the women of the Benni Jesua 437 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,240 his sister Herd are supposed to do, and Paul goes 438 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,519 to the place that the women can't go. Feminists thus 439 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,240 dislike the story. They think it's to patriarchal and whatnot. 440 00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:56,880 So even though you know, not agreeing with every element 441 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,799 in the perennials philosophy of the story, there are elements 442 00:25:59,799 --> 00:26:03,359 of it that are kind of traditional, so to speak, hierarchical. 443 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: That libs don't usually like. 444 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,599 Speaker 3: And that might be why they kind of made the 445 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,240 Chawny character a sort of a butt her atheist who 446 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,720 basically in every scene is making a stank face, if 447 00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:15,599 you know, if you watch the. 448 00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: Film, like every scene is her doing that. So she's 449 00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:22,480 butt her. That's not really in the novel. 450 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 3: I don't read anything about stank face from Chinese character. 451 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:31,279 But anyway, the drug element here, I think speaks to 452 00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:35,599 another insight that Herbert has not just with maybe studying. 453 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,079 He's writing in the nineteen sixties, so he's seeing maybe 454 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,759 the rise of the counter culture of the hippies, the 455 00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:44,680 experimentations with drugs and whatnot. So I don't know if 456 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,000 he did it, but I'm saying he's perhaps looking at 457 00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:52,200 this process in America and maybe applying that to how 458 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:56,640 ancient cultures their mysteries are making a comeback. And even 459 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,880 though Paul's initiated then to become this sort of godfigure 460 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:06,440 or quase divine figure, in reality, the more telling element 461 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,400 is that there are these figures who are conditioned, we're told, 462 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,960 by the Empire, and they're given to the various noble 463 00:27:16,039 --> 00:27:22,400 houses to be consultants, to be what they call human supercomputers, 464 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:27,160 to be doctors, and so forth. And that's important because 465 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,680 this imperial conditioning seems to be very parallel to something 466 00:27:31,799 --> 00:27:35,519 like a form of mk ultra. And we're going to 467 00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:38,079 see this again with the character of the Trader, character 468 00:27:38,079 --> 00:27:41,000 of doctor Yue. 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Spread the word, meet light minded people 487 00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:45,799 and fun the seventeen seventy six Revolution worldwide. 488 00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:49,119 Speaker 3: Welcome back to the aug JOHSM your guest host Jay 489 00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:53,039 Dyer of Jason Alisis and we're talking about the amazing 490 00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:57,200 insights and depth that Frank Herbert put in the story 491 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,559 that really gives us a window into how the real 492 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,920 power structure of our world works, the global elites, how 493 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,319 they control things. I'll give you one example that comes 494 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,000 up in the first novel. Every chapter begins with a 495 00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:16,799 quote from a fictional book from within the Dune universe. 496 00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:20,000 And so here we have a quote from one of 497 00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:23,839 the messages that Paul, the hero is sent to the 498 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,799 trading guild or excuse me, to the families of the 499 00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:31,920 elite families of the universe. And he's quoting the emperor 500 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:37,400 and pointing out the Emperor's strategy. Get this, he says, quote, 501 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,839 control the cointage, the money printing, and control the courts, 502 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,920 and let the rabble have the rest. So the emperor 503 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,680 is saying, this is Paul quote an emperor, if you 504 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,240 control the money printing and the courts, I care not 505 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,599 who the politicians are. 506 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,279 Speaker 1: It sounds very, very It's almost. 507 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,039 Speaker 3: Parallel to the famous Rothschaw quote, give me the power 508 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,359 to print the money, and I care not who the 509 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,039 politicians or the presidents are. And also he adds in 510 00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:10,480 that the strategy of the empire is also to control 511 00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:13,960 the courts for the legal system. And if you control 512 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,839 those two things, nothing else really matters. You don't really 513 00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:20,000 have to control anything else, even the religious element can 514 00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:23,279 be just another kind of arm of corralling the people 515 00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:26,319 into the imperial superstructure. 516 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,799 Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying that everything is. 517 00:30:28,759 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 3: Fake and everything's controlled. That's not what I'm saying. Not 518 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,720 everything is faking gay. A lot of things are faking gay, 519 00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:34,920 but not everything's faking gay. 520 00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: But the novel, if you pay attention to all the details, 521 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,200 you'll find these little nuggets. 522 00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:44,519 Speaker 3: Here and there throughout the book. And by the way, 523 00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:47,240 all of the novels have these nuggets. As I said, 524 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,319 in the sequel, you have the notations and the references 525 00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:59,319 to modifying and experimenting with genetic bloodlines to try to 526 00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:05,480 produce the eugenic Qui's atatak where they're super being now 527 00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:08,880 in the in the world of Dune, in this universe, 528 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,440 as we said, we have this notion of elements of 529 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:13,640 mk ultra that he brings to bear. 530 00:31:13,759 --> 00:31:16,599 Speaker 1: Because the empire doesn't just rely on. 531 00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 3: The ability to control money and to you know, control 532 00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:27,839 the law or whatever. They've also figured out that if 533 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,839 people are going to be working within certain noble houses, 534 00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:34,920 then they need to have certain conditioning done to them. 535 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,799 And so what happens is there's an Imperial conditioning process, 536 00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:42,279 which supposedly is able to mind control and root out 537 00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:46,799 any possible betrayal in your in your psyche. 538 00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: So they've got you completely kind of social profiled, so 539 00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:53,599 to speak. 540 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,359 Speaker 3: And weed it out, vetted out from a kind of 541 00:31:56,359 --> 00:31:58,960 a I mean, I want to I don't want to 542 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,559 say transhumanist PERSPECTI because there's a ban on AI. However, 543 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,440 they do have a form of cloning within the Done 544 00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:10,039 universe and yet not AI. So remember it. It's not 545 00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:14,839 a future universe where there's no technology. There's just not AI, 546 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:17,759 or there's not supposed to be. Later on, there appears 547 00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:20,599 to be a reemergence of a kind of AI, and 548 00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:21,400 that ends. 549 00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:24,799 Speaker 1: Up being this Golden Path. And the Golden Path is 550 00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:26,240 I mean related to the Golden Path. 551 00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:30,039 Speaker 3: The Golden Path is when Paul as the protagonist throughout 552 00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:33,759 the original story, he has to choose the different timelines 553 00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:36,440 that he sees in his sort of vision, his pressions. 554 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,720 He has to choose the one that saves the human race. 555 00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:43,279 Speaker 1: And what we find out, of course, is that Paul 556 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,680 isn't the real quiz Astarak. It's actually his son that 557 00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:51,440 becomes the super being, the worm Boy. But Paul is. 558 00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:55,599 Speaker 3: Still a hero because even though he chose the option 559 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,200 that would lead to global Jahad and didn't want to 560 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,720 become melded with a worm kind of super being, the 561 00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:04,319 Jihad ends up being. 562 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: Still the option that allows his son. 563 00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 3: To be born, which then is the option to choose 564 00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:13,200 the timeline that saves the human race, which as the 565 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,880 stories progress, turns out to be a salvation that was 566 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:22,920 the only possible choice against a future, presumably AI depopulation. 567 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:25,640 So the idea is that in the future, those little 568 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,200 hunter Seeker drones that you see, they eventually develop so 569 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,279 in such a sophisticated manner that they eventually are programmed 570 00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:38,720 or programming themselves to get rid of all humans. 571 00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:41,839 Speaker 1: Humans are then seen as the virus. So notice he's 572 00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:45,960 putting again this idea of depopulation and that the future 573 00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:50,599 struggle will be against whether humans will survive, whether humans 574 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:56,119 will endure and populate the universe, versus an AI entity 575 00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:58,160 that comes to be that depopulates. 576 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 3: Now, I don't believe that AI will become conscious. I 577 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,079 don't think that makes any sense because a robot or 578 00:34:04,119 --> 00:34:06,400 a computer or whatever it can never do or be 579 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,039 more than the algorithms that are put into it. Okay, 580 00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:13,840 it's never going to magically jump beyond the nerd code 581 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,039 that goes into it, and nerd code never becomes conscious. 582 00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: It makes no sense. 583 00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 3: However, the nerds that code the code might encode killing everybody, right, 584 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,840 So in that sense, it might eventually become advanced enough 585 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,079 to as we've seen I think this week, AI being 586 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:35,280 used I think in Israel to pick certain people to 587 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,440 target via drones. I think I just glanced at the story. 588 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,519 I didn't see the whole story, but if something like that, so, 589 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,239 you know, something like Captain America Winter Soldier. Was that 590 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,559 Captain America too? I forget, I get all this mixed up. 591 00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:50,639 The Marvel movies that are all kind of the same, but 592 00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:54,039 one of those was actually about a future AI that 593 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:59,079 could target people that they thought would be future resistors. 594 00:34:58,519 --> 00:34:59,280 Speaker 1: Against the system. 595 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 3: And so the the drone system was basically ahead of time, 596 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,840 you know, popping targets from the sky. 597 00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:10,199 Speaker 1: That's again a kind of an analogy. 598 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,079 Speaker 3: To what's going on in the Dune stories as they 599 00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:17,639 progress towards the end and certain choices are made which 600 00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:21,199 require great sacrifice to save the human race. So I 601 00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:24,000 don't think even though it's not a Christian story, there's 602 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,320 still a lot of good elements, a lot of really 603 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,960 powerful deep insights in the story that allow us to 604 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,480 see some positives here. 605 00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: Now I mentioned in regard to religion. 606 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,519 Speaker 3: We want to talk about that a little bit, because 607 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,559 even though the imperial conditioning, as we said, mirrors some 608 00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:40,800 of the MK Ultra stuff, and we have kind of 609 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,679 these mind control programmed assassins in dou Messiah, there's a 610 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,360 sort of clone character who's supposed to be a triggered 611 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:54,239 assassin to kill Paul in Paul's children. Even though that's 612 00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:57,280 you know, loosely kind of parallel to what we see 613 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,840 in m K Eldra, more interesting in terms of its 614 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:06,400 future predictive element was the future acumenist religion and global 615 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,119 galactic Vatican three space Vatican three we could call it, 616 00:36:11,639 --> 00:36:14,480 because there's an appendix. Again, I remember he's writing in 617 00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:17,800 the nineteen sixties, and in this appendix he points out 618 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:24,840 that the Empire decides to create the next level of acumenism, 619 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:25,719 and he actually. 620 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: Uses the terminology of ecumenism. 621 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 3: It's the universal ecumenical Council of Space that creates on 622 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:39,000 the basis of multiple religious traditions, including the ancient teachings 623 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:45,159 of all the religions Islam, Buddhism, elements of the Talmud, 624 00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:52,280 elements of Hindu philosophy and thought, all combined to produce 625 00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:57,800 a future universal acumenical meeting after the Butlerian. 626 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,039 Speaker 1: Jahad to destroy Ai. So after they say it's time 627 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:05,599 to create a man centric religion of the universe, a 628 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:10,039 kind of megagalactic acumenism, as I said, Vatican three in space. 629 00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:12,039 That's what the entire appendix is about. 630 00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:15,159 Speaker 3: Now this is very fashioning because this is right around 631 00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:18,199 the time of Vatican Two. So Frank Herbert was at 632 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,440 least perceptive enough to understand that looking at what was 633 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,920 happening at the Second Vatican Council and the movement towards ecumenism, 634 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,920 that this was a move towards not just a broadening 635 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,599 of the Roman Catholic papal system, but perhaps all the 636 00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:38,480 world religions now are becoming elements of or arms of 637 00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:44,920 this super religion, a super structure religion. Again, that's perennialism, 638 00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:48,880 and so he's consciously putting perennialism into his novel. 639 00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: He even explains in. 640 00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 3: This appendix about the religion of Doune that the Ben 641 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,280 a Jesuit's sisterhood. Who are the key promoters of this 642 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,760 Acumenist religion again a little too Jesuits, as we said, 643 00:38:03,159 --> 00:38:05,679 and of course Jesuits, but a cute role invaticant and 644 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:10,039 the promotion of the Acumenist movement that they had studied 645 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:16,639 mind control, narcotics, drugs, meditation and all of the elements 646 00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:21,559 of many of the pagan religions to perfect these techniques 647 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,599 for their Acumenist religion. 648 00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: This is the Ox Jones Show. We're breaking down Dune, 649 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:27,639 don't go anywhere. I'm Jay Dyer. 650 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,039 Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Ox Joneshow. I'm your guests host, 651 00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:32,480 Jay Dyer of Jason Analysis. If you would like to 652 00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:35,400 follow me, you can follow me over on YouTube under 653 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,480 my name. You can follow me on Twitter under my 654 00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:40,199 name as well, and on Instagram. And you can buy 655 00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:43,000 my books and my lectures and my part twos, my 656 00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:46,760 interviews and all that on my website jasonalysis dot com. 657 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,920 Going back about ten years of archives, getting deep into 658 00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:53,599 all the topics that you're hear me covered movies, film 659 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,920 movies and film literature, geopolitics. We lecture through tons and 660 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,599 tons of elite writing. We've done Carol Quigley's strategy. 661 00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:04,119 Speaker 1: Hope. We've done Cia. 662 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 3: Biographies on and on and on, and we're talking today 663 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:13,519 about Dune and the hidden the symbolic messages, meanings, the 664 00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:18,800 codes that Frank Herbert encoded into his novels and into 665 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,639 the films. And what we find is that as we 666 00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:27,079 were saying that this future galactic imperial controlled religion is 667 00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:30,920 trying to create the universe's super being so that the 668 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,679 power behind the throne can control it and be the 669 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,960 real universes super being. Now, after this future acumenist world 670 00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:43,480 or galactic religion is created, Herbert explains, I want to 671 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,559 read a brief quote here the major dams against the 672 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:52,360 anarchy against the Empire's religion, where the Embryo for the 673 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,960 Guild and the Beni Jesra's Sisterhood and the noble houses. 674 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,400 This continued it's two thousand year record of meeting in 675 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,519 spite many their obstacles. The Guild, that's the economic control system, 676 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,760 their part appeared clear. They gave free transport to all 677 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,519 the noble houses and the Ecumenical Commission's business. 678 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:14,760 Speaker 1: The Beni Jesuit Sisterhood's role was more obscure. 679 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,039 Speaker 3: This is the time when they consolidated their hold upon 680 00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:22,119 all the sorceresses. They explored the subtle uses of narcotics, 681 00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:26,920 They developed the Prana Bindu training, and received their missionary 682 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,920 protectiva that's their missionary mandate, that is the black arm 683 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,000 of superstition. It was also during this period that they 684 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,199 composed their litany against Fear. 685 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,760 Speaker 1: I will not fear. There's a mind killer right and 686 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,679 the assembly of the Azhar Book, which is the compilation 687 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,159 of all the great secrets of all of the ancient religions. 688 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,559 So you'll notice what they did was they. 689 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,679 Speaker 3: Went beyond just the idea of Christian ecumenism and pulled 690 00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:57,599 in all the world religions as a form of perennialism 691 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,519 or perhaps some kind of pseudom sonic philosophy that undergirds 692 00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:06,199 this future religion. And it says that the acumenists space 693 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,440 religion that they created was a form of self help 694 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:19,679 where the Ecumenists created what they called a new the 695 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,039 Orange Catholic Bible. This is a future Bible, which is 696 00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:24,400 all the religions mixed together. 697 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:26,199 Speaker 1: And it says that. 698 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 3: The men of this commission were likened to the archaeologists 699 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,679 of ideas. They were inspired by God in the grandeur 700 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,239 of their rediscovery there was rediscovering God. So in other words, 701 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:43,280 they kind of crawl Young style, piecing together an archaeology 702 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,119 of ideas. 703 00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:48,039 Speaker 1: I wonder what that sounds like some popular people out 704 00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:49,760 there right now that are trying to do this very 705 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,079 thing with their archaeology of. 706 00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 3: Ideas to create a galactic religion. What is this religion? Well, 707 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,440 it would really just be a kind of form of 708 00:41:57,639 --> 00:41:58,320 self help. 709 00:41:59,280 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: Now. 710 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,280 Speaker 3: The irony is that in the Dune story, as we said, 711 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,199 as an alvels progress, although Paul isn't the queis outside 712 00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:10,079 of Rock, there actually does end up being a universus 713 00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:14,519 super being. So the genetic manipulation of the bloodlines, the 714 00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:18,960 genetic memory awakenings that can occur in the individual, they 715 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,719 actually do bring about a universe's super being. It just 716 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:28,039 doesn't culminate in the person of Paul and the viny Jazzer. 717 00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:30,320 It's end up not really controlling this super being. But 718 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,760 the super being does initiate a kind of a period 719 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,719 of peace and the salvation of the human race. Because 720 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,320 what happens is eventually it's an evolutionary process. In this worldview, 721 00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:47,159 as we said, the AI that makes a comeback seeks 722 00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:51,519 to completely eradicate and depopulate humanity. And so what happens 723 00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:56,440 is that the future worm Emperor, the Worm Boy, he 724 00:42:56,519 --> 00:43:01,000 figures out a way to hide people from the power 725 00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:05,480 of the Ai and from impressions. So it's a it's 726 00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:09,800 a very fascinating combination of elements of, as we said, 727 00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:13,840 real geopolitical events, how the world is actually run on 728 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,280 the basis of the control of resources, whether it's water 729 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,039 on the planet of Dune, it's how rare it is 730 00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:24,039 as a commodity, whether it's the spice, which is at 731 00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:27,800 once a kind of mechanism for travel and a drug 732 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,159 that gives you enlightenment, gives you insight and kind of 733 00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:36,039 in a way initiate you. The actual religious theology is 734 00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:37,400 very amorphous and unclear. 735 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 1: It's kind of at times agnostic at times, it's deism 736 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,679 at times, it's determinism and predestination at times, it's sort 737 00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:48,119 of Islamic, at times, it's pay it's kind of unclear 738 00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:51,360 what this deity is in this world, in this universe 739 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:51,960 of Dune. 740 00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:54,639 Speaker 3: But setting out aside, we can still find a lot 741 00:43:54,639 --> 00:43:57,639 of fascinating parallels. Again, maybe not so much on the 742 00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:01,039 religious side of things, unless you want to read the 743 00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:06,480 worm emperors, perhaps symbolic of the Savior is more than 744 00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:10,000 just human and requires a great sacrifice. Right, in that sense, 745 00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:13,639 Christ was more than human in our view. He was 746 00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:18,679 also fully divine, although fully human, and he also engaged 747 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:23,119 in great sacrifice, sacrificing his life for the salvation of 748 00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:25,639 the human race. So that we find Savior parallels that 749 00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:28,880 could be read into this in a charitable way. 750 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:29,400 Speaker 1: So to speak. 751 00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 3: But again setting that aside, it's more valuable, I think 752 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:40,719 for its geopolitical insights and its revelations of things like geoengineering, 753 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,800 where we have doctor Kines that's played by Maxiwaan Seidau 754 00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:48,079 in the David Lynch version, he's the imperial ecologist who 755 00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:49,239 is actually a Fremen. 756 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,760 Speaker 1: I think he's a if I recall he's a frem 757 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,960 and spy, and we. 758 00:44:52,920 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 3: Have insights into espionage handlers, how spy agencies, how power 759 00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:03,440 structures think about religion as a tool. They don't believe it, 760 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,519 they don't care about the religion. It's purely a pragmatic 761 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:13,800 tool for the imperial power to continue. And that's relevant 762 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,360 for us because unfortunately, many of our elites, many. 763 00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:19,119 Speaker 1: Of our leaders, also see. 764 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,519 Speaker 3: Religion as a tool, as we saw with the case 765 00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:27,199 of Ed Lansdale and many of the CIA operatives who 766 00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:30,440 wanted to stage all kinds of religious miracles to prop 767 00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:33,960 up the CIA narrative. We think about the Vatican Bank 768 00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:38,199 and Operation Gladio and the Terror and the Black Operation 769 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,599 funding that was all tied up into the Vatican Bank 770 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,920 and Gladio and the OSS and CIA, again speaking to 771 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,320 the corruption of the empire, and there could be some 772 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,679 element of how Islam or radical Islam fits into this 773 00:45:56,599 --> 00:46:00,679 usage as well, although in the story of Doune, the 774 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,519 Islamic Ish Fremen people end up being the people that 775 00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:10,360 fight this jihad and become the sort of radical adherents 776 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,119 of the religion of Paul. Now, a lot of people 777 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,400 I'm going to make one side comment here about the 778 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,760 next novel, because a lot of people don't find the 779 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,800 sequel to be that interesting. It's very much a political 780 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:27,719 conspiracy book. And that's fascinating in my view because I 781 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,920 did like doing Messiah quite a bit. The first novel 782 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,920 is very much an action, you know, grandiose Game of 783 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,960 Throne style story. The sequel is much more of a 784 00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:42,920 deep philosophical geopolitical conspiracy book. And in that book we 785 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,920 have the attempt not just to assassinate Paul, but to 786 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,719 make sure that he doesn't have offspring, because Chani is 787 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,920 given abortifacians by the Princess. So Paul is forced into 788 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,599 a political marriage at the end of Dune, as you 789 00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:59,639 probably know, but he's also has Chani as his concubine. 790 00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:04,119 What's more interesting is his sister, this character Alia, who 791 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:10,039 has in many ways perhaps more power or potential power 792 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:16,360 than Paul. And spoiler alert, Paul and Alia are related 793 00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:22,159 to the Baron. Paul's mom is an unknown daughter, except 794 00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:25,320 they find out through the initiation process that they're the 795 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:30,960 genetic offspring of Baron Harconin. So when Paul's sister becomes 796 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,159 prominent as she grows older, and you see her in 797 00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:37,599 the new film briefly, it's played by Anya Taylor Joid. 798 00:47:38,639 --> 00:47:40,440 They've just said they're going to make Dune three, so 799 00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:44,159 do Messiah will presumably have a lot to say or 800 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,960 will be a big part of the next Dune installment 801 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,039 in terms of the films, and so Alia's character will 802 00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:54,599 become a or a Babylon type of figure. 803 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,039 Speaker 1: That's what I found to be really fascinating. 804 00:47:57,079 --> 00:47:59,920 Speaker 3: And I'm not stretching it either, because if you read 805 00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:02,480 to Do novels, there's places where Paul quotes the Book 806 00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:03,079 of Revelation. 807 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,599 Speaker 1: So Herbert was consciously knowledge. 808 00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:09,400 Speaker 3: He had a conscious awareness of the horror of Babylon, 809 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,719 this sort of imagery. 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