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Speaker 3: Welcome to the fourth hour of the Auleux Jones Sum
your guest host Jaydy or Jay's analysis. Today, we're gonna
do something a little bit different. I want to give
us a deep dive into the novel and the film
Dune by Frank Herbert. Dune is the nineteen sixty five
novel that I think is typically classed as the top
selling science fiction novel of all time. I remember growing
up watching this the David Lynch version, which many people dislike,
actually like it quite a bit. I didn't read the
novel until some years into the two thousands, I forgar
exactly what year, And I remember Alex talking about the
Dune series quite a bit, and I remember that Seleusa
Secundas is the prison planet. So I thought, well, maybe
there's some association that Alex had between why he named
one of the website's prison planet and this, this.
Speaker 1: Element of Doune, this great story.
Speaker 3: So I decided to dive into it and I've not
read the whole series. I'm about three novels in, but
I have read the first one with much attention and detail,
and the reason that I was really blown away was
that Herbert includes a tremendous amount of geopolitical, religious, sociological, ecological, esoteric,
you name it, it's all included in this novel, which is very,
in my view, very rare.
Speaker 1: For sci fi. Every now and then a science fiction author,
maybe a Philip K. Dick, or maybe.
Speaker 3: Even somebody like a William Gibson, you know, they'll include
some pretty esoteric elements, but they don't usually get into
things like real world geopolitics, putting that into the novel, control,
alternate personalities, genetic memories, trigger codes, assassins, the kind of
stuff that we read about in the CIA'SMK Ultra documents.
It's very odd to find this in a nineteen sixty
five novel from Frank Herbert.
Speaker 1: And so with the recent.
Speaker 3: Release of Doune from the famous director Dennis VILLAINEU don't
you dare say villain nweiva, even though that's what it
looks like, because every nerd will can immediately correct you.
This recent instantiation I thought was really well done. And
then of course Dune Too came out a couple of
weeks ago and is now considered like the new Lord
of the Rings.
Speaker 1: The nerds are going crazy.
Speaker 3: It's getting all these accolades might win awards, and I
believe they just confirmed that they're going to make the
next one Dune Messiah.
Speaker 1: So you said, well, this is pop culture. Why do
I care about this?
Speaker 3: Because remember, as we covered here in my analysis on
several Fourth Hours and my two books Esotery Hollywood one
and two, I do have an.
Speaker 1: In depth analysis of Doune in Esotery Collywood Too.
Speaker 3: If you want to read that, that's a literary essay.
It's important to do this because a lot of times
the fiction prepares us for where the system wants to go.
We call that predicted programming. Not all fiction is predicted programming.
Not all movies aren't necessarily predict the future. Sometimes authors
and writers who perhaps come out of the intelligence world
want to put what really happened into their stories. For example,
I watched this week a series called Little Drummer Girl,
which is a nineteen eighty two John lecar A novel.
John Leacaray was in the British Intelligence Service, that whole sector.
Speaker 1: He worked for five and for six, and so he put.
Speaker 3: Those kind of real world things that he learned into
his stories, much like Ian Fleming did, but in a
more realistic way. James Bond is very kind of cartoonish
and got a lot of Hollywood elements. Lacara strive to
have a really realistic approach to his to his spy fiction.
But what's fascinating about that series is that it was
written in nineteen eighty two and it dealt with the
facing off between the masade and the PLO and so
there's a lot of.
Speaker 1: Fakery, there's lot of stagecraft, there's false flags.
Speaker 3: All that goes into what you might expect in Lacara
telling us, as the novel says, terror is theater, I'm
not saying by that that there aren't real terror attacks,
that everything's fake. When im saying that, I'm saying that
the point of the novel is that terror has a
specific goal of theatrics of scaring people. And Dune also
includes a lot of these same principles of real world geopolitics.
And although as I understand he was Frank Herbrah'm speaking
of it was a gop speech writer. I don't know
that he had any necessary, necessarily intelligence connections, but he
seemed to really know in some sense what was going on,
even getting to pretty wild things like geoengineering, terrorforming, all
kinds of wild things. This is the Alex John schump
You Guesstos Jaydi as we do a deep dive into
the predicted programming of Dune. Welcome back to the fourth
hour of the Alex Johns Schulman Guestos Jay Dye or Jasonalysis,
and we're doing a deep dive into the story of
Doune in both the written text from Frank Herbert and
the visual presentations that we've seen, particularly the more recent
release the blockbuster Done Too, which everyone is talking about.
It's the first time many are saying that they've had
a wild theatrical experience where they felt like a movie
really moved them. And they say, this hasn't happened since
Lord of the Rings or since you know, films like
The Matrix something like this, where both the visuals, the sound,
the storytelling was all pretty much top notch. Now, as
you said, Frank Herbert himself was an interesting character who
was not on the liberal side of things. You know,
you think of science fiction authors as being these sort
of libs who want to promote the idea of a
never ending so called progress. They're irreligious against the mystical.
They have a future of pure scientism and utopia ahead
of us, and we don't find that in Dune at all.
In fact, one of the most striking disparities between science
fiction writers and what Herbert presents is the banning of Ai.
In fact, in the world of Dune, there was this
event that happened where AI got so advanced that it
actually enslaved the humans. And so I think ten thousand
years or so before the events of what we read
in Dune, there was this jihad they called it. It's
called the Butlerian Jahad, and this was a religious crusade
against Ai. So not only is there no future utopia
in this series, but there's also a specifically anti Ai,
pro human bent. And in regard to the villains, you
have this nefarious coalition of the emperor, who is the
emperor of the known universe, who's made an alliance with
one of the royal houses known as the Harconans. The
Harconins are these very degenerate, pedophile and in some versions
cannibalistic people group who basically live on an hr Giger
style planet, and their plan is to take over the
planet of Dune or Aracus, which is a desert planet
where there is this drug that has all of these
mystical powers and capabilities, known as the spice. And to
control the spice is like controlling something like the heroin trade,
or to control something like oil.
Speaker 1: So imagine if you could combine oil and heroin.
Speaker 3: That's what we would have with the spice, and or
maybe something more hallucinogenic than heroin. But in regard to geopolitics,
if it's very well with Herbert, borrowing from Middle East
cultures such as Sufis, or borrowing from Sunni Islam, or
borrowing from Bedouin tribes, these all go into being the
influences for the native people of the planet of Doune
called the Fremen, and I think there's a play on words.
Speaker 1: They're the free men, and so they have.
Speaker 3: An odd sort of syncretistic religion, the Fremen, where they
have been influenced by Zen philosophy, Sunni Islam, paganism, Catholicism.
Because after the Butalerian Jihad, there was a universal galactic
ecumenical council basically like Vatican three in space, where an
ecumenical council of Dorks compiled together basically a new religion,
and this religion became a quasi humanist religion, a kind
of a process philosophy where man could never be enslaved
to AI. So a big pillar foundation of the future
religion here is anti AI. They do have tech, so
don't misunderstand me. They have very advanced technology, and they
have genetically advanced human beings and people that are genetically modified,
but not AI. And so again unique turn of events
there with contrasting that to most soyence fiction. There's also
the as we said, this coalition of corrupt people who
with an emperor and the baron, they want to take
over this planet and to really harvest the profits.
Speaker 1: And they work together with this.
Speaker 3: Economic entity called the Guild, and the Guild and the navigators.
These people they control travel and they control the spice.
That's their goals to completely control and they'll have the
upper hand in the universe by doing so. But in
order to do this, they have to get rid of
certain rival families that's.
Speaker 1: The Atradees family.
Speaker 3: So clearly Herbert is borring from a lot of classic
stories of intrigue, a courtly entry, espionage. You could think about,
you know, George RR. Martin's Game of Thrones being very
similar to what you see in Done, but Dune was
one of the first sci fi stories to really pull
from medieval you know, intrigues and espionage with houses and
kings and queens. And again, that heraldry, noble element, the
hierarchical monarchy element, is not something you typically think of
in terms of future science fiction. You think that's, oh,
that's a relic of the past. Well, again, we have
another thing that Herbert carries over, presumably because he thinks
it's natural that hierarchy is natural to mankind. Hierarchy is
found in nature. I'm gonna hierarchies, right, That's never gonna
go away. There's always going to be these hierarchies. And
so he puts this into his his stories.
Speaker 1: And this, as we said, this house that's being persecuted,
this noble house.
Speaker 3: The trade is they're known as a righteous household there.
They're a good, a noble family. They come from a
water based planet called Kalidan, and they intend to be
the rulers.
Speaker 1: They're being baited.
Speaker 3: Into coming to this planet to be as they believe
at the friendship and best of the Emperor, given the
dukedom or given the control of the planet of Iracus,
and they believe they'll make profit from this, being involved
in the spice trade and so forth.
Speaker 1: And of course they find out that this was a
giant trap.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a false flag type of event where
they're led into this scenario where they're trapped and almost
all of House of Trades is destroyed except for the
promising young protagonist, Paul a Trades. Paul, I think in
the novel is something like fourteen fifteen, sixteen years old,
so he's a younger guy, and if you watch the
recent instantiation they chose I think, I think somebody who's
a more fitting version of Paul. In the older version
with David Lynch, Kyle McLaughlin is a little too old
to be playing that character. But regardless, it's a very
well executed presentation of the novel and it tries to
stick pretty.
Speaker 1: Faithful to the story.
Speaker 3: There's some minor variations with the Zendaia character in the.
Speaker 1: Sequel part two.
Speaker 3: But anyway back to the main point, which is that
so We've got this imperial intrigue story, this planet, the
resources trying to be controlled. What does this have to
do with global geopolitical conspiracies and nchaultra It sounds like
you're just reaching here, Jay.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Actually again, remember this is written in nineteen sixty five.
Frank Herbert's a future where there's geoengineering. There's actually planetary
ecologists from involved in terraforming, and they actually geoengineer planets.
He talks about the dangers of technocracy. He talks about.
Speaker 1: Elite bloodlines and that these elite bloodlines.
Speaker 3: Have the ability to pass on genetic memories that can
be awakened through certain events, through certain training, through trauma,
through war or fair the odd amorphous religion of the
universe of Doune, all of these can be ways to
awaken these innate potentialities and powers within man. According to
Frank Kerbert, I believe that a lot of that's true.
Obviously I have religious beliefs, but I think, again.
Speaker 1: This is very unique, and you just don't see this
in science fiction.
Speaker 3: Usually science fiction is kind of atheistic. Now, some people
argue that this storyline is atheistic. However, we find that
odd things happen. As the novels progress, it gets very bizarre,
with basically somebody melding with a worm to become the
worm Emperor. There might be some symbolic meanings to that,
but really the question is about this Messiah. So we
have the storyline that the elite bloodlines have planted throughout
the various colonies that they study for eugenic purposes. So
the structure has a religious arm known as the Beni
Jesuits Sisterhood, and these are a covenant of witches.
Speaker 1: They're called witches, but really.
Speaker 3: They've become these sort of like female bitchy jedies and
they can kind of do you know, tricks with their
voice and mind control and hypnotism and you know, maybe
see a little bit of the future, not a lot
here and there. They have pressions to a degree. And
so this Sisterhood is a spoken of as kind of
a secret society, but they're a secret society that is
much more than what we think of as mystery rights. No,
they're actually intelligence handlers. And they're not just intelligence handlers.
They're also said to be manipulators of eugenic bloodlines. That's
the terminology that's used in the novel, So this is
not my interpretation. If you look at Doing Messiah, it
talks about the Benny Jesuous Sisterhood operating like a eugenics
cult that studies the different culture on the different planets
to pick out who can be the most fitter, most
evolved version of these different tribes to eventually create what
they call the super Being. The super being is and
in their mind, going to be some future woman they think,
they hope that they can control, so they want to
be the power behind the throne. But their techniques are
basically exactly that of a combination of like a jesuit
and a CIA handler. So that's literally what is in
the novel, and that's kind of exactly how intelligence handlers
work in the real world. If you remember when we
read an a lecture through the famous CIA operative Miles
Copeland's book Game of Nations, he writes this lengthy treat
us about all of his operations and consulting in Syria
and in Egypt throughout the Cold War, and then he
says at the end of the book, if you want
to know why we use terrorists and why we do
all of this, and that he says, it's very simple
go read Bertrand Russell, the Council Formulations, James Burnham, and
the Managerial Society, and you'll understand that it's all about
eugenics and depopulate.
Speaker 1: All of that.
Speaker 3: So all these CIA Cold war operations, it's about the
long term goal of where they want to take these
countries for the future goals of depopulation and technocracy. He
actually says that there's an appendix at the back of
the book that is a recommended reading list of a
bunch of globalist documents, all the stuff that you hear
me talking about. So you think, where'd you get this?
You're just making this up. It's all conspiracy theories, you know.
Speaker 1: Actually the global elite writers give you appendices that give
you bibliographies that tell you what to read, And in
fact Doune actually has some fascinating bibliographies itself the back
of the book.
Speaker 3: That we're going to look at that shows you a
lot of what I'm talking about. So it's not conspiracy theory.
It's this is what writers do.
Speaker 1: Writer this.
Speaker 3: They put these clues, they put these topics into their
book because it's.
Speaker 1: What's going on in the real world. So I'm not
saying there's an exact one to one parallel. There's no
perfect parallel to who the Fremen are these native people
of Doune. They're kind of a.
Speaker 3: Mix of, as I said, Zuni Sunni Islam, Sufi Islam.
They're a mix of Zen philosophy at Bedouin tribes, Afghanis
So they're kind of all of that in this future
desert people group.
Speaker 1: So there's a clear connection that I want to mention
to Islam.
Speaker 3: And I think Alex mentioned this maybe a week or
two ago in one of his broadcasts that he was
saying that you enjoyed Dune part two, but he felt
like there might be some predictive programming in relationship to Islam.
And that's interesting that we did see the events in
Russia where the isis this course, Western backed and created
cut out acclaimed responsibility for the events in Russia's nine
to eleven in my view, because they were heading back
to the Ukraine. The terrorists in this case, they were
probably most likely put up to this by the Ukrainian regime.
Speaker 1: That makes the most sense in my view, and that's
what fits the Gladiol model.
Speaker 3: I don't know if there was any intentional association between
the Dune story and what's going on there. But it
is an interesting parallel, at least in the fact that,
as we said in the story of Dune, they're clearly
pulling from Jihad, Islam, all these terms that we are
very familiar with. And that has to do with I
think Frank Herbert being a GOP speech writer. Now you
might think, well, if he's a GOP speech writer, was
he a neo Khon and therefore hated Islam. Not necessarily,
He's more of a pragmatist because again, in the future
world that he's envisioning here, Islam and catholicis and Paganism
have all melded to create this.
Speaker 1: Imperial run religion.
Speaker 3: You remember, I think it was on my channel or
maybe the Fourth Hour a couple of weeks Sogo. I
don't remember, but I did a talk on the recent
book by Magel Gradziano about the CIA's relationship to religion.
And this is an important text because it's not a
conspiracy book. It's an academic text charting the history of
the relationship of the OSS and CIA, two various religious
groups fanatics, cults all throughout post World War two period
and into the Cold War. All the way up until
the nineteen seventy nine Iran Revolution, CIA's relationship to the
Ayatola again you can nineteen fifty three coup Operation Ajax.
All of that comes up in the novel or excuse me,
in the book, but most relevant is the manipulation of
religious beliefs that the CIA often engaged in to dupe
and trick indigenous peoples usually so for example, we read
about Ed Lansdale's usage of the chupacabra basically like a
form of a chubukabra, where in the Philippines he spread
this myth of a vampire and this helped to put
down the Hook rebellion and to aid the CIA puppet
regime person in the Philippines. Likewise, Ed Lansdale then went
to Vietnam and participated in what appears to be the
Phoenix Program, bringing a lot of those horror movie techniques
of draining bodies of blood and so forth, which are
then used in Vietnam to scare the Viet Cong as
a kind of a stile. So that's Phoenix program stuff.
So then Ed Lansdale proposes the idea of a stage
second coming of Christ to dupe the Cubans to support
the West against Castro. Now, a lot of those plans
weren't used, but you see what I'm getting at is
that this is the type of strategy, the type of
plans that are batted around between the Pentagon and the
intelligence agencies and the generals and the CFR and all
these high level steering committees and groups. They're thinking about
in plenty things at that level. So that's also perfectly
mirroring what is going on in Dune. That's exactly what
the Witch coven been a Jesuit sisterhood, and that's very
close to Jesuit. I think that might be intentional on
the part of Frank Kurbert, although of course Jesuits are
homosexual men, they're not actually typically women. I don't think
there It'll be a few years before we get women Jesuits.
But maybe he was being prophetic and predicting a future where,
you know, a thousand years from now, all of the
Jesuits are basically female witches. Hence been a Jesuit, been
a Jesuit. I'm just joking there. I'm not literally saying that,
but I'm not joking about both most of them being
skittles men that's pretty well known.
Speaker 1: But you can see that this is a perfect mirror.
Speaker 3: Again for the religious manipulation via these types of entities
in the world of Dune that Herbert is explaining and
telling us through fiction. So beyond that, though this coalition
occurs where the imperial power united with these corrupt, degenerate pedophiles,
the Harconans are using false flags and so forth in
terror to get rid of their enemies, to bring about
a total monopoly control, which they kind of already have,
but they're just concerned with a rising rival that they
can't control. Through this figure of paula Tredes, who becomes
a symbolic war hero, right, he becomes this figure of
the revolution against the empire and the system, right against
the imperial powers.
Speaker 1: And even on the part of Paul and.
Speaker 3: His mom, who's a sort of pseudo Mary character, because
even though Paul doesn't have a miraculous birth, there is
an attempt kind of mirroring Moses right, where there's an
attempt to persecute the Atredees to stamp out the bloodline.
This is a common motif that we've seen in not
just biblical literature, but ancient literature, where you want to
stamp out rivals because bloodlines might produce, you know, a
future challenge to your throne or to your power. So
you know, in the Bible we have the stories of
Pharaoh trying to kill the Israelites and then Moses has
put on that little raft and he's you know, floated
away to safety. Likewise, in a mirror of that, Herod
tries to stamp out the mythologies in Herod's mind, the
myth because Herod's not a believer of a coming Messiah,
and so Herod has Israelite children, the firstborn killed, mirroring
what Pharaoh had done, and that was to stamp out
the possibility of a Messiah, because if the Jews believed
in a Messiah, it would empower them, it would give
them strength and unity. And that was the that was
the motivation of Herod to try to stamp out that myth. Likewise,
in the story of Doing, you have this parallel of
the Savior myth, the Messiah myth. He's called in this
novel in the Arabic the Mahdi, which is the Arabic
term for Messiah. He's called the voice from the outer world,
the voice of God, and so forth, he's the right
hand of God, so he's a.
Speaker 1: Kind of sort of Messiah type of figure.
Speaker 3: But we find out that this myth, the story has
been seeded by the Benny jesreits in the Empire for many, many,
many generations to bring about and control the figure that
will be this symbolic warrior messiah figure.
Speaker 1: In reality, that what happens is that they're not able
to control him, and so there's this sort of mystical
initiation process here.
Speaker 3: I think Herbert is telling us that there's a real
initialiation that occurs at times.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is good, but I'm saying that
that drugs become an initiate initiation to seeing things in
a different way.
Speaker 3: And so for the character of Paul, he undergoes this
what's very close to a very intense drug trip through.
Speaker 1: Taking the water of life.
Speaker 3: This is kind of a mirror to something like initiation
into Christianity through baptism or the Lord's Supper or something
like that. It's kind of a drug version of sacraments.
And this is really the way that Aldus Huxley, for example,
spoke of hallucinogens as a form of sacrament to initiate
people into seeing, you know, higher dimensions, other realities, and this.
Speaker 1: Is what happens to Paul. Paul does the the.
Speaker 3: Initiation right that only the women of the Benni Jesua
his sister Herd are supposed to do, and Paul goes
to the place that the women can't go. Feminists thus
dislike the story. They think it's to patriarchal and whatnot.
So even though you know, not agreeing with every element
in the perennials philosophy of the story, there are elements
of it that are kind of traditional, so to speak, hierarchical.
Speaker 1: That libs don't usually like.
Speaker 3: And that might be why they kind of made the
Chawny character a sort of a butt her atheist who
basically in every scene is making a stank face, if
you know, if you watch the.
Speaker 1: Film, like every scene is her doing that. So she's
butt her. That's not really in the novel.
Speaker 3: I don't read anything about stank face from Chinese character.
But anyway, the drug element here, I think speaks to
another insight that Herbert has not just with maybe studying.
He's writing in the nineteen sixties, so he's seeing maybe
the rise of the counter culture of the hippies, the
experimentations with drugs and whatnot. So I don't know if
he did it, but I'm saying he's perhaps looking at
this process in America and maybe applying that to how
ancient cultures their mysteries are making a comeback. And even
though Paul's initiated then to become this sort of godfigure
or quase divine figure, in reality, the more telling element
is that there are these figures who are conditioned, we're told,
by the Empire, and they're given to the various noble
houses to be consultants, to be what they call human supercomputers,
to be doctors, and so forth. And that's important because
this imperial conditioning seems to be very parallel to something
like a form of mk ultra. And we're going to
see this again with the character of the Trader, character
of doctor Yue. This is the Alex Jones Show, and
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the aug JOHSM your guest host Jay
Dyer of Jason Alisis and we're talking about the amazing
insights and depth that Frank Herbert put in the story
that really gives us a window into how the real
power structure of our world works, the global elites, how
they control things. I'll give you one example that comes
up in the first novel. Every chapter begins with a
quote from a fictional book from within the Dune universe.
And so here we have a quote from one of
the messages that Paul, the hero is sent to the
trading guild or excuse me, to the families of the
elite families of the universe. And he's quoting the emperor
and pointing out the Emperor's strategy. Get this, he says, quote,
control the cointage, the money printing, and control the courts,
and let the rabble have the rest. So the emperor
is saying, this is Paul quote an emperor, if you
control the money printing and the courts, I care not
who the politicians are.
Speaker 1: It sounds very, very It's almost.
Speaker 3: Parallel to the famous Rothschaw quote, give me the power
to print the money, and I care not who the
politicians or the presidents are. And also he adds in
that the strategy of the empire is also to control
the courts for the legal system. And if you control
those two things, nothing else really matters. You don't really
have to control anything else, even the religious element can
be just another kind of arm of corralling the people
into the imperial superstructure.
Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying that everything is.
Speaker 3: Fake and everything's controlled. That's not what I'm saying. Not
everything is faking gay. A lot of things are faking gay,
but not everything's faking gay.
Speaker 1: But the novel, if you pay attention to all the details,
you'll find these little nuggets.
Speaker 3: Here and there throughout the book. And by the way,
all of the novels have these nuggets. As I said,
in the sequel, you have the notations and the references
to modifying and experimenting with genetic bloodlines to try to
produce the eugenic Qui's atatak where they're super being now
in the in the world of Dune, in this universe,
as we said, we have this notion of elements of
mk ultra that he brings to bear.
Speaker 1: Because the empire doesn't just rely on.
Speaker 3: The ability to control money and to you know, control
the law or whatever. They've also figured out that if
people are going to be working within certain noble houses,
then they need to have certain conditioning done to them.
And so what happens is there's an Imperial conditioning process,
which supposedly is able to mind control and root out
any possible betrayal in your in your psyche.
Speaker 1: So they've got you completely kind of social profiled, so
to speak.
Speaker 3: And weed it out, vetted out from a kind of
a I mean, I want to I don't want to
say transhumanist PERSPECTI because there's a ban on AI. However,
they do have a form of cloning within the Done
universe and yet not AI. So remember it. It's not
a future universe where there's no technology. There's just not AI,
or there's not supposed to be. Later on, there appears
to be a reemergence of a kind of AI, and
that ends.
Speaker 1: Up being this Golden Path. And the Golden Path is
I mean related to the Golden Path.
Speaker 3: The Golden Path is when Paul as the protagonist throughout
the original story, he has to choose the different timelines
that he sees in his sort of vision, his pressions.
He has to choose the one that saves the human race.
Speaker 1: And what we find out, of course, is that Paul
isn't the real quiz Astarak. It's actually his son that
becomes the super being, the worm Boy. But Paul is.
Speaker 3: Still a hero because even though he chose the option
that would lead to global Jahad and didn't want to
become melded with a worm kind of super being, the
Jihad ends up being.
Speaker 1: Still the option that allows his son.
Speaker 3: To be born, which then is the option to choose
the timeline that saves the human race, which as the
stories progress, turns out to be a salvation that was
the only possible choice against a future, presumably AI depopulation.
So the idea is that in the future, those little
hunter Seeker drones that you see, they eventually develop so
in such a sophisticated manner that they eventually are programmed
or programming themselves to get rid of all humans.
Speaker 1: Humans are then seen as the virus. So notice he's
putting again this idea of depopulation and that the future
struggle will be against whether humans will survive, whether humans
will endure and populate the universe, versus an AI entity
that comes to be that depopulates.
Speaker 3: Now, I don't believe that AI will become conscious. I
don't think that makes any sense because a robot or
a computer or whatever it can never do or be
more than the algorithms that are put into it. Okay,
it's never going to magically jump beyond the nerd code
that goes into it, and nerd code never becomes conscious.
Speaker 1: It makes no sense.
Speaker 3: However, the nerds that code the code might encode killing everybody, right,
So in that sense, it might eventually become advanced enough
to as we've seen I think this week, AI being
used I think in Israel to pick certain people to
target via drones. I think I just glanced at the story.
I didn't see the whole story, but if something like that, so,
you know, something like Captain America Winter Soldier. Was that
Captain America too? I forget, I get all this mixed up.
The Marvel movies that are all kind of the same, but
one of those was actually about a future AI that
could target people that they thought would be future resistors.
Speaker 1: Against the system.
Speaker 3: And so the the drone system was basically ahead of time,
you know, popping targets from the sky.
Speaker 1: That's again a kind of an analogy.
Speaker 3: To what's going on in the Dune stories as they
progress towards the end and certain choices are made which
require great sacrifice to save the human race. So I
don't think even though it's not a Christian story, there's
still a lot of good elements, a lot of really
powerful deep insights in the story that allow us to
see some positives here.
Speaker 1: Now I mentioned in regard to religion.
Speaker 3: We want to talk about that a little bit, because
even though the imperial conditioning, as we said, mirrors some
of the MK Ultra stuff, and we have kind of
these mind control programmed assassins in dou Messiah, there's a
sort of clone character who's supposed to be a triggered
assassin to kill Paul in Paul's children. Even though that's
you know, loosely kind of parallel to what we see
in m K Eldra, more interesting in terms of its
future predictive element was the future acumenist religion and global
galactic Vatican three space Vatican three we could call it,
because there's an appendix. Again, I remember he's writing in
the nineteen sixties, and in this appendix he points out
that the Empire decides to create the next level of acumenism,
and he actually.
Speaker 1: Uses the terminology of ecumenism.
Speaker 3: It's the universal ecumenical Council of Space that creates on
the basis of multiple religious traditions, including the ancient teachings
of all the religions Islam, Buddhism, elements of the Talmud,
elements of Hindu philosophy and thought, all combined to produce
a future universal acumenical meeting after the Butlerian.
Speaker 1: Jahad to destroy Ai. So after they say it's time
to create a man centric religion of the universe, a
kind of megagalactic acumenism, as I said, Vatican three in space.
That's what the entire appendix is about.
Speaker 3: Now this is very fashioning because this is right around
the time of Vatican Two. So Frank Herbert was at
least perceptive enough to understand that looking at what was
happening at the Second Vatican Council and the movement towards ecumenism,
that this was a move towards not just a broadening
of the Roman Catholic papal system, but perhaps all the
world religions now are becoming elements of or arms of
this super religion, a super structure religion. Again, that's perennialism,
and so he's consciously putting perennialism into his novel.
Speaker 1: He even explains in.
Speaker 3: This appendix about the religion of Doune that the Ben
a Jesuit's sisterhood. Who are the key promoters of this
Acumenist religion again a little too Jesuits, as we said,
and of course Jesuits, but a cute role invaticant and
the promotion of the Acumenist movement that they had studied
mind control, narcotics, drugs, meditation and all of the elements
of many of the pagan religions to perfect these techniques
for their Acumenist religion.
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Going back about ten years of archives, getting deep into
all the topics that you're hear me covered movies, film
movies and film literature, geopolitics. We lecture through tons and
tons of elite writing. We've done Carol Quigley's strategy.
Speaker 1: Hope. We've done Cia.
Speaker 3: Biographies on and on and on, and we're talking today
about Dune and the hidden the symbolic messages, meanings, the
codes that Frank Herbert encoded into his novels and into
the films. And what we find is that as we
were saying that this future galactic imperial controlled religion is
trying to create the universe's super being so that the
power behind the throne can control it and be the
real universes super being. Now, after this future acumenist world
or galactic religion is created, Herbert explains, I want to
read a brief quote here the major dams against the
anarchy against the Empire's religion, where the Embryo for the
Guild and the Beni Jesra's Sisterhood and the noble houses.
This continued it's two thousand year record of meeting in
spite many their obstacles. The Guild, that's the economic control system,
their part appeared clear. They gave free transport to all
the noble houses and the Ecumenical Commission's business.
Speaker 1: The Beni Jesuit Sisterhood's role was more obscure.
Speaker 3: This is the time when they consolidated their hold upon
all the sorceresses. They explored the subtle uses of narcotics,
They developed the Prana Bindu training, and received their missionary
protectiva that's their missionary mandate, that is the black arm
of superstition. It was also during this period that they
composed their litany against Fear.
Speaker 1: I will not fear. There's a mind killer right and
the assembly of the Azhar Book, which is the compilation
of all the great secrets of all of the ancient religions.
So you'll notice what they did was they.
Speaker 3: Went beyond just the idea of Christian ecumenism and pulled
in all the world religions as a form of perennialism
or perhaps some kind of pseudom sonic philosophy that undergirds
this future religion. And it says that the acumenists space
religion that they created was a form of self help
where the Ecumenists created what they called a new the
Orange Catholic Bible. This is a future Bible, which is
all the religions mixed together.
Speaker 1: And it says that.
Speaker 3: The men of this commission were likened to the archaeologists
of ideas. They were inspired by God in the grandeur
of their rediscovery there was rediscovering God. So in other words,
they kind of crawl Young style, piecing together an archaeology
of ideas.
Speaker 1: I wonder what that sounds like some popular people out
there right now that are trying to do this very
thing with their archaeology of.
Speaker 3: Ideas to create a galactic religion. What is this religion? Well,
it would really just be a kind of form of
self help.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: The irony is that in the Dune story, as we said,
as an alvels progress, although Paul isn't the queis outside
of Rock, there actually does end up being a universus
super being. So the genetic manipulation of the bloodlines, the
genetic memory awakenings that can occur in the individual, they
actually do bring about a universe's super being. It just
doesn't culminate in the person of Paul and the viny Jazzer.
It's end up not really controlling this super being. But
the super being does initiate a kind of a period
of peace and the salvation of the human race. Because
what happens is eventually it's an evolutionary process. In this worldview,
as we said, the AI that makes a comeback seeks
to completely eradicate and depopulate humanity. And so what happens
is that the future worm Emperor, the Worm Boy, he
figures out a way to hide people from the power
of the Ai and from impressions. So it's a it's
a very fascinating combination of elements of, as we said,
real geopolitical events, how the world is actually run on
the basis of the control of resources, whether it's water
on the planet of Dune, it's how rare it is
as a commodity, whether it's the spice, which is at
once a kind of mechanism for travel and a drug
that gives you enlightenment, gives you insight and kind of
in a way initiate you. The actual religious theology is
very amorphous and unclear.
Speaker 1: It's kind of at times agnostic at times, it's deism
at times, it's determinism and predestination at times, it's sort
of Islamic, at times, it's pay it's kind of unclear
what this deity is in this world, in this universe
of Dune.
Speaker 3: But setting out aside, we can still find a lot
of fascinating parallels. Again, maybe not so much on the
religious side of things, unless you want to read the
worm emperors, perhaps symbolic of the Savior is more than
just human and requires a great sacrifice. Right, in that sense,
Christ was more than human in our view. He was
also fully divine, although fully human, and he also engaged
in great sacrifice, sacrificing his life for the salvation of
the human race. So that we find Savior parallels that
could be read into this in a charitable way.
Speaker 1: So to speak.
Speaker 3: But again setting that aside, it's more valuable, I think
for its geopolitical insights and its revelations of things like geoengineering,
where we have doctor Kines that's played by Maxiwaan Seidau
in the David Lynch version, he's the imperial ecologist who
is actually a Fremen.
Speaker 1: I think he's a if I recall he's a frem
and spy, and we.
Speaker 3: Have insights into espionage handlers, how spy agencies, how power
structures think about religion as a tool. They don't believe it,
they don't care about the religion. It's purely a pragmatic
tool for the imperial power to continue. And that's relevant
for us because unfortunately, many of our elites, many.
Speaker 1: Of our leaders, also see.
Speaker 3: Religion as a tool, as we saw with the case
of Ed Lansdale and many of the CIA operatives who
wanted to stage all kinds of religious miracles to prop
up the CIA narrative. We think about the Vatican Bank
and Operation Gladio and the Terror and the Black Operation
funding that was all tied up into the Vatican Bank
and Gladio and the OSS and CIA, again speaking to
the corruption of the empire, and there could be some
element of how Islam or radical Islam fits into this
usage as well, although in the story of Doune, the
Islamic Ish Fremen people end up being the people that
fight this jihad and become the sort of radical adherents
of the religion of Paul. Now, a lot of people
I'm going to make one side comment here about the
next novel, because a lot of people don't find the
sequel to be that interesting. It's very much a political
conspiracy book. And that's fascinating in my view because I
did like doing Messiah quite a bit. The first novel
is very much an action, you know, grandiose Game of
Throne style story. The sequel is much more of a
deep philosophical geopolitical conspiracy book. And in that book we
have the attempt not just to assassinate Paul, but to
make sure that he doesn't have offspring, because Chani is
given abortifacians by the Princess. So Paul is forced into
a political marriage at the end of Dune, as you
probably know, but he's also has Chani as his concubine.
What's more interesting is his sister, this character Alia, who
has in many ways perhaps more power or potential power
than Paul. And spoiler alert, Paul and Alia are related
to the Baron. Paul's mom is an unknown daughter, except
they find out through the initiation process that they're the
genetic offspring of Baron Harconin. So when Paul's sister becomes
prominent as she grows older, and you see her in
the new film briefly, it's played by Anya Taylor Joid.
They've just said they're going to make Dune three, so
do Messiah will presumably have a lot to say or
will be a big part of the next Dune installment
in terms of the films, and so Alia's character will
become a or a Babylon type of figure.
Speaker 1: That's what I found to be really fascinating.
Speaker 3: And I'm not stretching it either, because if you read
to Do novels, there's places where Paul quotes the Book
of Revelation.
Speaker 1: So Herbert was consciously knowledge.
Speaker 3: He had a conscious awareness of the horror of Babylon,
this sort of imagery. And there's a specific ritual in
the next one where Alia becomes something like the scarlet
woman and she's chanted and worshiped and spoiler alert, she
will go insane and become possessed.
Speaker 1: So I think again he's.
Speaker 3: Drawing not just from you know, geopolitical stuff, but now
he's also drawing from sort of horror of Babylon Revelation
seventeen eighteen imagery to give us the potential future feminist
goddess religion. And what happens. Alia goes insane, she becomes
possessed by the alternate personality of her, of the emperor
or the baron of.
Speaker 1: Whom she's a relative.
Speaker 3: So a lot of fascinating warnings and symbols and elements
in the done stories, and this is Jay Nyer of Jason. Also,
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