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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna pick up where

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he left off with the Michael Thomas deposition with the

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OIG Inspectors. Question, would that have been probably around like

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four am? Thomas? It's sporadic. There's no set particular time

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that she had to be there by three or two

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or one, anything like that. But I'm sure during the

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course of the day, during the course of the night,

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Lieutenant redacted came by the shoe mister redacted, Okay, Thomas,

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she always walks by. Question, do you remember if any

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other COO came by, maybe around like five thirty am. Thomas.

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It's supposed to be another CEO that comes on at

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six to two. I don't recall them ever coming up,

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it says redacted. But it's as you can see, it's

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a six to two post. But I don't around five.

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I don't remember any other I don't remember any other

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CEO coming in. Mister redacted, Okay, what about like a

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breakfast cart? Who would provide that? How would that be done? Thomas? Well,

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the breakfast cart that they push into the hallway, I

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wouldn't see the person down in the food service. I

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mean they pushed down the hallway and ring the bell,

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and I don't remember who brought the food cart up,

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but the food cart came up. And then we seen

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in through our peripherals outside the hallway. Question. And then

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someone Thomas, it's through a double door. Question. And then

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you go and you get it Thomas. Yeah. Then we

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go and retrieve it and we bring it inside the shoe. Yes. Question.

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And do you remember who it was that actually retrieved

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it that morning? Thomas, I really don't remember. I think

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she did. I don't know. I don't remember exactly who

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did it. Question. Okay, so the only person that you

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remember that entered the shoe was redacted Thomas. Yes. Question. Okay.

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What was her purpose for visiting the shoe on August tenth,

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Mister Thomas, she visited all the housing units operations, Lieutenant.

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She walks around the building throughout the night. Question part

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of her duties and responsibilities. Thomas, Yeah, part of her duties. Yes. Question. Okay,

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can you just briefly explain what the process of entering

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and exiting the shoe? Thomas? Oh, wow, I can't even

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remember the door. You call for the door, it's the twenty.

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You call for the door to be opened. I can't

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remember the exact number of the door. You call for

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the door to be opened. They ring the bell. You

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call for the door to be opened. Then you have

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an inner door that's locked. You willlock that. You call

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for the person. The person comes in. If it's a

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warden or anything like that, it's usually a book that

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they have to sign saying that someone entered into that

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they entered in, or whatever the case may be. They

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entered in, and then you open the door. Question. Okay,

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so you initially said that they call who Thomas, Well,

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one of the staff members inside called for the door,

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so me or Noel had to call for the door

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to come in. Question. So someone comes at the outer door,

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the first door someone's got to go through. They call

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you guys in the shoe Thomas, No, they ring the bell. Question.

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They ring the bell, Thomas. If it's the outer door,

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it's the outer door. Whichever number it is the outer door,

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you ring the bell. It signals somebody's at the door.

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You look and you see, I see, I can see

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and get your name, sir. You see whoever it is.

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You call for the door, look to see if the

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individual see redacted covering at the door. I call for

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the door, he comes in the door. Then there's another

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door that's locked. You unlock that door and they come in,

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and then you lock that door back. Question. So my

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question is though on the outer door, who do you

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call the control center? Thomas? Yeah, you call the control center.

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Question okay? And then does someone come from the control center?

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Thomas looks down at it. Well, the control center verifies

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who it is at the door, and then they open

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the door. Question okay? And is there like a camera there? Thomas, Yeah,

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there's a camera in the hallway redacted. Okay, great, so

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control center allows them to open the door. First, do

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they notify the people in the shoe that someone's coming in? Thomas?

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We notify them that someone's coming in question Okay Thomas,

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because we call for the door. Question, so they ring

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the bell, you call control Thomas, can call control center?

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Question okay? And then they come to that. And then

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does control center have any involvement with them when you

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said you unlocked the door Thomas, No, Then it's another

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key for another door, the inner door. Question okay? And

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is it just the people that are in the shoe

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that can allow someone to enter and exit Thomas for

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that inner door. Yes. Question okay, and who was it?

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How are the keys worked? Who maintains control of those keys?

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Mister Thomas? On for the morning watch shift, there's one

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control key and usually the number one person holds it.

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It's the key that they never leave the thing. I

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can't remember exactly what keys are on there? Question when

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you say on there, where are they maintained? Thomas? They're

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maintained down in the control center. Question Okay, but are

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they like hung up somewhere Thomas, Yeah, they're hung up

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on like a dashboard that says control question. Wait, I'm sorry,

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so I'm not confused. There's a key that you guys

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utilized to open that door that's in the control center. Thomas. Yeah,

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that utilizes Well, the control center has the master key

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for all the doors. Question. I'm sorry, but the control

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center opens the outer door and then the inner door.

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Doesn't the people that are assigned to the shoe use

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the key? Thomas? Yeah, that's the master key that never

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leaves the shoe. Question. Okay, so that's the key I'm

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talking about. Where is that key maintained? Answer? Usually the

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number one on shoe will have like on their peron Thomas, Yeah,

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on the person. Usually shoe number one holds that on

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the person the whole time. Question. Okay, so it's not

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hung up somewhere Thomas. No, it's not hung up somewhere.

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The shoe one holds it on them at all times. Question. Okay,

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and do your recall on August ninth, it was Noel Thomas.

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I'm sure, I'm sure she had it. I'm sure she

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had it. Question it was Noel then, Thomas, because I

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had the oh, door keys and cuff key, or if

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I had my cuff key. Question. So, if you have

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the door keys and the cuff keys, usually the other

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person is the one that has the outer key, Thomas.

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It rotates during the course of the day, it can

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rotate or anything like that. Question Okay, Thomas. When during

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the day when somebody's feeding or somebody's doing this and

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you the person will take this key. I'm going to

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go feed this row or I'm about to go do this.

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So if somebody is doing law library, it can rotate.

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But during the course of the night, usually she one

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has one key and then I come up with eventually

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grab another key redacted. Question Okay, so on August tenth,

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You said you only recall redacted. Do you recall who

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allowed her to enter? Who used the key? Thomas, I

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don't remember? Question No Thomas, No, I don't remember who

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popped the door for her to come in? Question? Okay Thomas,

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it had to be either me or Noel. It couldn't

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have been nobody else. Question And she was an authorized visitor? Thomas?

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Who question? Redacted? Was an authorized visitor? Thomas? Yeah? Question?

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And were you with redacted? You or Noel? Was with

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redacted during her entire visit? Thomas? Yes? Question Okay? Did

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a redacted ever approach Epstein? Cell? Mister Thomas, I don't know.

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I don't I don't remember. Question you don't recall do

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you recall any conversation with redacted with regard to Epstein? Thomas,

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No question. She didn't ask like how he's doing or

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anything like that, Thomas, No, I don't. Question. And then

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who would have been allowed or allowed her to exit

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the shoe? Thomas, me or either me or Noel? Question? Okay?

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And is that the same process you would have to

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use a key to open it? Thomas. You have to

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use the key to open the inner door, then you

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open the inner door, secure the inner door, and then

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you call the control center to pop the outer door.

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Question okay, Thomas, exactly what it's called? Question? And do

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your recall how long she was in there? Thomas, I

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don't recall. Question okay, But she was the Thomas operations

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lieutenant supervisor. She was the operations lieutenant, mister Thomas, Thomas lieutenant. Question,

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which means that she was the supervisor in the shoe

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on August tenth from twelve am until Thomas she was

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the I wouldn't say supervisor. Well, she was supervising the

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building on August tenth, yes, question, and with responsibilities for

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the shoe Thomas, responsibilities for the shoe and responsibilities for

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the institution. Question. Do you recall having any other conversation

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with redacted during your shift on August tenth, twenty nineteen Thomas,

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No question, by phone, call or email or anything. Thomas,

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no question. And did Redacted at any time ever provide

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you with special instruction with regard to Epstein. Thomas, no question,

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and again never told you that he was required Davisselmey Thomas,

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no question. It didn't come up the fact that Reyes

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left the day before and Epstein was without one. Thomas,

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no question. That was just not communicated. How about Lieutenant redacted?

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Who was that? Thomas, Lieutenant at MCC, question was, did

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Lieutenant redacted or replace redacted at approximately six am? Are

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you able to tell from looking at the roster? Mister Thomas, Well,

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this one says he came in at eight to four

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or something. He gets interrupted. Yeah, they were two hours earlier. Thomas, yeah,

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two hours yeah, but yeah, I remember seeing him. Question Okay,

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do you recall having any interaction with Lieutenant redacted prior

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to six thirty three am on August tenth, twenty nineteen. Thomas,

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no question. And did Lieutenant redacted visit the shoe at

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all on August tenth, twenty nineteen prior to six thirty

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three am? Thomas, No, not that I remember. Question okay,

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and no communications though, Thomas, no question. And Lieutenant redacted

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didn't provide you with any special instruction with regard to Epstein. Thomas,

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no question. And he did not provide you any instruction

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with regard to Epstein having a cell mate. Thomas, no question.

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At any time even prior to that, Thomas, no question. Okay,

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did the control say R and D or anyone else

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called the Shoe on August tenth, twenty nineteen, about he

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gets cut off by Thomas. That would be gone by

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the time I come in. Question, all of those people

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would have been gone, Thomas. Yes, question in the control

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center Thomas, No, not the control center, that would be there,

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but R and D would be gone redacted. All right,

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So let's say I did control center or anyone else

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call the Shoe on August tenth, twenty nineteen about Epstein's

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cellmate leaving or the need for Epstein to have another

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cell mate assigned. Thomas, No, that would have been done

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prior to my shift. Question. Okay, but not during your shift, Thomas,

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not during the midnight No, that would have been done prior.

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All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, and

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in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna

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