Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna pick up where
he left off with the Michael Thomas deposition with the
OIG Inspectors. Question, would that have been probably around like
four am? Thomas? It's sporadic. There's no set particular time
that she had to be there by three or two
or one, anything like that. But I'm sure during the
course of the day, during the course of the night,
Lieutenant redacted came by the shoe mister redacted, Okay, Thomas,
she always walks by. Question, do you remember if any
other COO came by, maybe around like five thirty am. Thomas.
It's supposed to be another CEO that comes on at
six to two. I don't recall them ever coming up,
it says redacted. But it's as you can see, it's
a six to two post. But I don't around five.
I don't remember any other I don't remember any other
CEO coming in. Mister redacted, Okay, what about like a
breakfast cart? Who would provide that? How would that be done? Thomas? Well,
the breakfast cart that they push into the hallway, I
wouldn't see the person down in the food service. I
mean they pushed down the hallway and ring the bell,
and I don't remember who brought the food cart up,
but the food cart came up. And then we seen
in through our peripherals outside the hallway. Question. And then
someone Thomas, it's through a double door. Question. And then
you go and you get it Thomas. Yeah. Then we
go and retrieve it and we bring it inside the shoe. Yes. Question.
And do you remember who it was that actually retrieved
it that morning? Thomas, I really don't remember. I think
she did. I don't know. I don't remember exactly who
did it. Question. Okay, so the only person that you
remember that entered the shoe was redacted Thomas. Yes. Question. Okay.
What was her purpose for visiting the shoe on August tenth,
Mister Thomas, she visited all the housing units operations, Lieutenant.
She walks around the building throughout the night. Question part
of her duties and responsibilities. Thomas, Yeah, part of her duties. Yes. Question. Okay,
can you just briefly explain what the process of entering
and exiting the shoe? Thomas? Oh, wow, I can't even
remember the door. You call for the door, it's the twenty.
You call for the door to be opened. I can't
remember the exact number of the door. You call for
the door to be opened. They ring the bell. You
call for the door to be opened. Then you have
an inner door that's locked. You willlock that. You call
for the person. The person comes in. If it's a
warden or anything like that, it's usually a book that
they have to sign saying that someone entered into that
they entered in, or whatever the case may be. They
entered in, and then you open the door. Question. Okay,
so you initially said that they call who Thomas, Well,
one of the staff members inside called for the door,
so me or Noel had to call for the door
to come in. Question. So someone comes at the outer door,
the first door someone's got to go through. They call
you guys in the shoe Thomas, No, they ring the bell. Question.
They ring the bell, Thomas. If it's the outer door,
it's the outer door. Whichever number it is the outer door,
you ring the bell. It signals somebody's at the door.
You look and you see, I see, I can see
and get your name, sir. You see whoever it is.
You call for the door, look to see if the
individual see redacted covering at the door. I call for
the door, he comes in the door. Then there's another
door that's locked. You unlock that door and they come in,
and then you lock that door back. Question. So my
question is though on the outer door, who do you
call the control center? Thomas? Yeah, you call the control center.
Question okay? And then does someone come from the control center?
Thomas looks down at it. Well, the control center verifies
who it is at the door, and then they open
the door. Question okay? And is there like a camera there? Thomas, Yeah,
there's a camera in the hallway redacted. Okay, great, so
control center allows them to open the door. First, do
they notify the people in the shoe that someone's coming in? Thomas?
We notify them that someone's coming in question Okay Thomas,
because we call for the door. Question, so they ring
the bell, you call control Thomas, can call control center?
Question okay? And then they come to that. And then
does control center have any involvement with them when you
said you unlocked the door Thomas, No, Then it's another
key for another door, the inner door. Question okay? And
is it just the people that are in the shoe
that can allow someone to enter and exit Thomas for
that inner door. Yes. Question okay, and who was it?
How are the keys worked? Who maintains control of those keys?
Mister Thomas? On for the morning watch shift, there's one
control key and usually the number one person holds it.
It's the key that they never leave the thing. I
can't remember exactly what keys are on there? Question when
you say on there, where are they maintained? Thomas? They're
maintained down in the control center. Question Okay, but are
they like hung up somewhere Thomas, Yeah, they're hung up
on like a dashboard that says control question. Wait, I'm sorry,
so I'm not confused. There's a key that you guys
utilized to open that door that's in the control center. Thomas. Yeah,
that utilizes Well, the control center has the master key
for all the doors. Question. I'm sorry, but the control
center opens the outer door and then the inner door.
Doesn't the people that are assigned to the shoe use
the key? Thomas? Yeah, that's the master key that never
leaves the shoe. Question. Okay, so that's the key I'm
talking about. Where is that key maintained? Answer? Usually the
number one on shoe will have like on their peron Thomas, Yeah,
on the person. Usually shoe number one holds that on
the person the whole time. Question. Okay, so it's not
hung up somewhere Thomas. No, it's not hung up somewhere.
The shoe one holds it on them at all times. Question. Okay,
and do your recall on August ninth, it was Noel Thomas.
I'm sure, I'm sure she had it. I'm sure she
had it. Question it was Noel then, Thomas, because I
had the oh, door keys and cuff key, or if
I had my cuff key. Question. So, if you have
the door keys and the cuff keys, usually the other
person is the one that has the outer key, Thomas.
It rotates during the course of the day, it can
rotate or anything like that. Question Okay, Thomas. When during
the day when somebody's feeding or somebody's doing this and
you the person will take this key. I'm going to
go feed this row or I'm about to go do this.
So if somebody is doing law library, it can rotate.
But during the course of the night, usually she one
has one key and then I come up with eventually
grab another key redacted. Question Okay, so on August tenth,
You said you only recall redacted. Do you recall who
allowed her to enter? Who used the key? Thomas, I
don't remember? Question No Thomas, No, I don't remember who
popped the door for her to come in? Question? Okay Thomas,
it had to be either me or Noel. It couldn't
have been nobody else. Question And she was an authorized visitor? Thomas?
Who question? Redacted? Was an authorized visitor? Thomas? Yeah? Question?
And were you with redacted? You or Noel? Was with
redacted during her entire visit? Thomas? Yes? Question Okay? Did
a redacted ever approach Epstein? Cell? Mister Thomas, I don't know.
I don't I don't remember. Question you don't recall do
you recall any conversation with redacted with regard to Epstein? Thomas,
No question. She didn't ask like how he's doing or
anything like that, Thomas, No, I don't. Question. And then
who would have been allowed or allowed her to exit
the shoe? Thomas, me or either me or Noel? Question? Okay?
And is that the same process you would have to
use a key to open it? Thomas. You have to
use the key to open the inner door, then you
open the inner door, secure the inner door, and then
you call the control center to pop the outer door.
Question okay, Thomas, exactly what it's called? Question? And do
your recall how long she was in there? Thomas, I
don't recall. Question okay, But she was the Thomas operations
lieutenant supervisor. She was the operations lieutenant, mister Thomas, Thomas lieutenant. Question,
which means that she was the supervisor in the shoe
on August tenth from twelve am until Thomas she was
the I wouldn't say supervisor. Well, she was supervising the
building on August tenth, yes, question, and with responsibilities for
the shoe Thomas, responsibilities for the shoe and responsibilities for
the institution. Question. Do you recall having any other conversation
with redacted during your shift on August tenth, twenty nineteen Thomas,
No question, by phone, call or email or anything. Thomas,
no question. And did Redacted at any time ever provide
you with special instruction with regard to Epstein. Thomas, no question,
and again never told you that he was required Davisselmey Thomas,
no question. It didn't come up the fact that Reyes
left the day before and Epstein was without one. Thomas,
no question. That was just not communicated. How about Lieutenant redacted?
Who was that? Thomas, Lieutenant at MCC, question was, did
Lieutenant redacted or replace redacted at approximately six am? Are
you able to tell from looking at the roster? Mister Thomas, Well,
this one says he came in at eight to four
or something. He gets interrupted. Yeah, they were two hours earlier. Thomas, yeah,
two hours yeah, but yeah, I remember seeing him. Question Okay,
do you recall having any interaction with Lieutenant redacted prior
to six thirty three am on August tenth, twenty nineteen. Thomas,
no question. And did Lieutenant redacted visit the shoe at
all on August tenth, twenty nineteen prior to six thirty
three am? Thomas, No, not that I remember. Question okay,
and no communications though, Thomas, no question. And Lieutenant redacted
didn't provide you with any special instruction with regard to Epstein. Thomas,
no question. And he did not provide you any instruction
with regard to Epstein having a cell mate. Thomas, no question.
At any time even prior to that, Thomas, no question. Okay,
did the control say R and D or anyone else
called the Shoe on August tenth, twenty nineteen, about he
gets cut off by Thomas. That would be gone by
the time I come in. Question, all of those people
would have been gone, Thomas. Yes, question in the control
center Thomas, No, not the control center, that would be there,
but R and D would be gone redacted. All right,
So let's say I did control center or anyone else
call the Shoe on August tenth, twenty nineteen about Epstein's
cellmate leaving or the need for Epstein to have another
cell mate assigned. Thomas, No, that would have been done
prior to my shift. Question. Okay, but not during your shift, Thomas,
not during the midnight No, that would have been done prior.
All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, and
in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
pick up where we left off. All of the information
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