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<v Speaker 1>Segety Kilsey, what's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. Well, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>we have the affid David, and I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>waste anybody's time with any kind of opening here or

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<v Speaker 1>winging or anything like that. We're going to get right

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<v Speaker 1>into this Avid David, and we're going to read it together.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't read it yet. We're going to read it

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<v Speaker 2>together right.

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<v Speaker 1>Here for the first time on air without commentary, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, and then later on we'll go through the

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<v Speaker 1>articles one by one that are dealing with each of

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<v Speaker 1>these issues. So with that said, let us just get

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<v Speaker 1>right to it. Exhibit A statement of Brett Pain. The

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<v Speaker 1>blow information is provided by Brett Pain, who is a

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<v Speaker 1>duly appointed, qualified and acting peace officer within the County

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<v Speaker 1>of Leta, State of Idaho. Brett Pain is employed by

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<v Speaker 1>Moscow Police Department in the official capacity or position of

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<v Speaker 1>corporal and has been trained and qualified peace officer for

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<v Speaker 1>approximately four years. Corporal Pain is being assisted by members

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<v Speaker 1>of the Idaho State Police and agents of the Federal

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<v Speaker 1>Bureau of Investigation. On November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, at

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<v Speaker 1>approximately four pm, Moscow Police Department, Sergeant Blaker and I

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<v Speaker 1>responded to eleven twenty two King Road, Moscow, Idaho, hereafter

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<v Speaker 1>the King Road Residence to assist with scene security and

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<v Speaker 1>processing of a crime scene associated with four homicides. Upon

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<v Speaker 1>our arrival, the Idaho State Police forensic team was on

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<v Speaker 1>scene and was preparing to begin processing the scene. MPD

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<v Speaker 1>officers Smith, one of the initial responding officers to the incident,

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<v Speaker 1>advised he would walk me through the scene OFC. Smith

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<v Speaker 1>and I entered the King Road residence through the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>floor door on the north side of the building OFC.

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<v Speaker 1>Smith and I then walked up States to the second

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<v Speaker 1>floor OFC. Smith directed me down the hallway to the

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<v Speaker 1>west bedroom on the second floor, which I later learned

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<v Speaker 1>through Xana's driver's license and other personal belongings found in

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<v Speaker 1>the room was Xana Kernodles. Hereafter Kernodle's room. Just before

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<v Speaker 1>this room, there was a bathroom door on the south

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<v Speaker 1>wall of the hallway. As I approached the room, I

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<v Speaker 1>could see a body later identified as Kernodles laying on

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<v Speaker 1>the floor. Kernodle was deceased with wounds which appeared to

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<v Speaker 1>have been caused by an edged weapon. Also in the

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<v Speaker 1>room was a male later identified as Ethan Chapin hereafter Chapin.

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<v Speaker 1>Chapin was also deceased with wounds later determined autopsy report

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<v Speaker 1>provided by Spokane and that is redacted here in this document.

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<v Speaker 1>We have about two pages here that are redacted, so

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<v Speaker 1>we won't get that obviously in this Affidavid just yet

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<v Speaker 1>followed OFC. Smith upstairs to the third floor of the residence.

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<v Speaker 1>The third floor consisted of two bedrooms and one bathroom.

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<v Speaker 1>The bathroom on the west side of the floor was

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<v Speaker 1>later determined to be Kaylee Gonsalves. Hereafter Gonsalves room. I

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<v Speaker 1>later learned from review of Officer Nunia's body camera there

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<v Speaker 1>was a dog in the room when Moscow police officers

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<v Speaker 1>initially responded, the dog belonged to Gonsalves and her ex

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<v Speaker 1>boyfriend Jack de cor I found out from my interview

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<v Speaker 1>with Jack decr on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, that

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<v Speaker 1>he and Gonsalves shared the dog OFC. Smith then pointed

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<v Speaker 1>out a small bathroom on the east side of the

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<v Speaker 1>third floor. This bathroom shared a wall with Madison Mogan's

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<v Speaker 1>hereafter Mogan's bedroom, which was situated on the southeast corner

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<v Speaker 1>of the third floor. As I entered this bedroom, I

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<v Speaker 1>could see two females in one single bed in the room.

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<v Speaker 1>Both Gonsalves and Mogan were deceased with visible status. I

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<v Speaker 1>also later noticed what appeared to be a tan leather

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<v Speaker 1>knife sheath lying on the bed next to Mogan's right

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<v Speaker 1>side when viewed from the door. The sheath was later

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<v Speaker 1>processed and had k bar USMC and the United States

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<v Speaker 1>Marine Corps Eagle globe and anchor insignia stamped on the

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<v Speaker 1>outside of it. The Idaho State Lab later located a

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<v Speaker 1>single source of male DNA suspect profile left on the

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<v Speaker 1>button snap of the knife sheath. As part of the investigation,

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<v Speaker 1>numerous interviews were conducted by Moscow Police Department officers, Idaho

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<v Speaker 1>State Police detectives, and FBI agents. Two of the interviews

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<v Speaker 1>included BF and DM. Both BF and DM were inside

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<v Speaker 1>the King Road residence at the time of the homicides

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<v Speaker 1>and were roommates to the victims. Bf's bedroom was located

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<v Speaker 1>on the east side of the first floor of the

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<v Speaker 1>King Road residents. Based on numerous interviews conducted by IMPD officers,

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<v Speaker 1>ISP detectives, and FBI agents, as well as my review

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<v Speaker 1>of evidence, I have learned the following. On the evening

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<v Speaker 1>of November twelfth, twenty twenty two, Chapin and Kernodle were

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<v Speaker 1>seen by BF at the Sigma Kai House on the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Idaho campus at seven thirty five nez Percy

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<v Speaker 1>Drive from approximately nine pm on November twelfth to one

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<v Speaker 1>forty five am on November thirteenth. BF also estimated that

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<v Speaker 1>at approximately one forty five am, Chapin and Kernodle returned

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<v Speaker 1>to the King Road residence. BF also stated that Chapin

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<v Speaker 1>did not live in the King Road residence but was

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<v Speaker 1>a guest of Kernodle. Gonsalvas and Mogan were at a

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<v Speaker 1>local bar, the Corner Club, at two zero two Main

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<v Speaker 1>Street in Moscow. Gonsalves and Mogan can be seen on

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<v Speaker 1>video footage provided by The Corner Club between ten pm

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<v Speaker 1>on November twelfth and one thirty am on November three, thirteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>At approximately one thirty am, Gonsalves and Mogan can be

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<v Speaker 1>seen on video at a local food vendor called the

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<v Speaker 1>Grub Truck at three eighteen South Main Street in downtown Moscow.

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<v Speaker 1>The grub Truck live streams video from their food truck

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<v Speaker 1>on the streaming platform Twitch, which is available for public

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<v Speaker 1>viewing on their website. The video was captured by law Enforcement.

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<v Speaker 1>A private party name Reed Acted, reported he provided a

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<v Speaker 1>ride to Gonsalves and Mogan at approximately one fifty six

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<v Speaker 1>am from downtown Moscow in front of the grub truck

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<v Speaker 1>to the King Road residence. DM and BF those are

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<v Speaker 1>the surviving roommates. By the way, both made statements during

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<v Speaker 1>interviews that indicated occupants of the King Road residence were

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<v Speaker 1>at home by two AM and the sleep or at

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<v Speaker 1>least in their rooms by approximately four AM. This is

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<v Speaker 1>with the exception of Kernodle, who received a door dash

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<v Speaker 1>order at the residence at approximately four am. Law Enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>identified the door dash delivery driver who reported this information.

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<v Speaker 1>DM stated she originally went to sleep in her bedroom

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<v Speaker 1>on the southeast side of the second floor. DM stated

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<v Speaker 1>she was awoken at approximately four AM by what she

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<v Speaker 1>stated sounded like Gonsalves playing with her dog in one

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<v Speaker 1>of the upstairs bedrooms, which were located on the third floor.

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<v Speaker 1>A short time later, DM said she heard who she

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<v Speaker 1>thought was Gonsalva say something to the effect of there's

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<v Speaker 1>someone here. A review of records obtained from a forensic

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<v Speaker 1>download of Caernodle's phone showed this could have been Kernodle,

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<v Speaker 1>as her cellular phone indicated she was likely awake and

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<v Speaker 1>using the TikTok app. At approximately four to twelve am,

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<v Speaker 1>DM stated she opened her door a second time when

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<v Speaker 1>she heard what she thought was crying coming from Kernodle's room.

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<v Speaker 1>DM then said she heard a mel voice say something

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<v Speaker 1>to the effect of it's okay, I'm going to help you.

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<v Speaker 1>At approximately four to seventeen am, a security camera located

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<v Speaker 1>at eleven twelve King Road, a residence immediately to the

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<v Speaker 1>northwest of eleven twenty two King Road, picked up distorted

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<v Speaker 1>audio of what sounded like voices or a whimper followed

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<v Speaker 1>by a long thud. A dog can also be heard

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<v Speaker 1>barking numerous times starting at four am four to seventeen am.

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<v Speaker 1>The security camera is less than fifty feet from the

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<v Speaker 1>west wall of Kernodle's bedroom. DM stated she opened her

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<v Speaker 1>door for the third time after she heard the crying

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<v Speaker 1>and saw a figure clad in black clothing and a

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<v Speaker 1>mask that covered the person's mouth and nose walking towards her.

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<v Speaker 1>DM describes the figure as five foot ten or taller

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<v Speaker 1>mail not very muscular but athletically built with bushy eyebrows.

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<v Speaker 1>The mail walked past DM as she stood in a

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<v Speaker 1>frozen shock fase. The mail walked towards the backsliding glass door.

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<v Speaker 1>DM locked herself in her room after seeing the mail.

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<v Speaker 1>DM not state that she recognized the mal This leads

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<v Speaker 1>investigators to believe that the murderer left the scene. The

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<v Speaker 1>combination of DM's statements to law enforcement, review of forensic

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<v Speaker 1>downloads of records from BF and DM's phones, and video

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<v Speaker 1>of a suspect video as described below, leads investigators to

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<v Speaker 1>believe the homicides occurred between four AM and four to

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five am. During the processing of the crime scene,

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<v Speaker 1>investigators found layton shoeprint. This was located during the second

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<v Speaker 1>processing of the crime scene by the ISP forensic team

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<v Speaker 1>by first using a presumptive blood test and then amino black,

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<v Speaker 1>a protein stain that detects the presence of cellular material.

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<v Speaker 1>The detected shoeprint showed a diamond shade pattern similar to

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<v Speaker 1>a pattern of Van's type shoe sole just outside the

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<v Speaker 1>door of DM's bedroom located on the second floor. This

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<v Speaker 1>is consistent with dm statements regarding the suspects path of travel.

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<v Speaker 1>As part of the investigation, an extensive search commonly referred

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<v Speaker 1>to in law enforcement as a video canvas was conducted

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<v Speaker 1>in the area of the King Road residence. This video

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<v Speaker 1>canvas was to obtain any footage from the morning hours

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<v Speaker 1>of November thirteenth, twenty twenty two in the area of

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<v Speaker 1>the King Road residence and surrounding neighborhoods in an effort

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<v Speaker 1>to locate the suspect or suspect vehicle traveling to or

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<v Speaker 1>leaving from the King Road residence. This video canvas resulted

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<v Speaker 1>in the collection of numerous surveillance videos in the area

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<v Speaker 1>from both residential and business addresses. I have reviewed numerous

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<v Speaker 1>videos that were collected and have had conversations with other

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<v Speaker 1>MPD officers, ISP detectives, and FBI agents that were similar

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<v Speaker 1>that were also reviewing footage that was obtained. A review

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<v Speaker 1>of camera footage indicated that a white Sedan hereafter suspect

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle number one was observed traveling west bound in the

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred block of Indian Hills Drive in Moscow at

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<v Speaker 1>approximately three twenty six am and westbound on Steiner Avenue

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<v Speaker 1>in Idaho State Highway ninety five in Moscow at approximately

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<v Speaker 1>three twenty eight am. On this video, it appeared suspect

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle number one was not displaying a front license plate.

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<v Speaker 1>A review of footage from multiple videos obtained from King

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<v Speaker 1>Road neighborhood showed multiple sightings of suspect vehicle number one,

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<v Speaker 1>starting at three twenty nine am and ending at four

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty am. The sidings show suspect vehicle makes an

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<v Speaker 1>initial three passes by eleven twenty two King Road residents,

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<v Speaker 1>then leaves via Wallenta Drive. Based on my experience as

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<v Speaker 1>a patrol officer, this is a residential neighborhood with a

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<v Speaker 1>very limited number of vehicles that travel in the area

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<v Speaker 1>during the early morning hours. Upon review of the video,

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<v Speaker 1>there are only a few cars that enter and exit

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<v Speaker 1>this area during this timeframe. Suspect vehicle one can be

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<v Speaker 1>seen entering the area of fourth time approximately four four am.

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<v Speaker 1>It can be seen driving eastbound on King Road, stopping

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<v Speaker 1>and turn and around in front of five hundred Queen

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<v Speaker 1>Road number fifty two, and then driving westbound on King Road.

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<v Speaker 1>When suspect vehicle number one is in front of the

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<v Speaker 1>King Road residents, it appeared to unsuccessfully attempt to park

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<v Speaker 1>or turnaround in the road. The vehicle then continued to

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<v Speaker 1>the intersection of Queen Road and King Road, where it

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<v Speaker 1>can be seen completing a three point turn and then

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<v Speaker 1>driving eastbound again down King Road down Queen Road. Excuse me.

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<v Speaker 1>Suspect Vehicle number one is next scene departing the area

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<v Speaker 1>of the King Road residents at approximately four to twenty

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<v Speaker 1>am at a high rate of speed. Suspect Vehicle one

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<v Speaker 1>is next observed traveling southbound on will lent A Drive.

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<v Speaker 1>Based on my knowledge of the area and review of

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<v Speaker 1>camera footge in the neighborhood that does not show suspect

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle one during that time frame, I believe that suspect

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle number Suspect one likely exited the neighborhood at Polue

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<v Speaker 1>River Drive and Conestoga Drive. Polue River Drive is at

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<v Speaker 1>the southern edge of Moscow and proceeds into Whitman County, Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually the road leads to Pullman, Washington. Pullman, Washington is

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<v Speaker 1>approximately ten miles from Moscow, Idaho. Both Pullman and Moscow

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<v Speaker 1>are small college towns and people commonly travel back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth between them. Law enforcement officers provided video footage of

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<v Speaker 1>suspect vehicle number one to forensic examiners with the Federal

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<v Speaker 1>Bureau of Investigation that regularly utilized surveillance footage to identify

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<v Speaker 1>the year, make, and model of unknown vehicles that is

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<v Speaker 1>a criminal offense. The forensic examiner has approximately thirty five

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<v Speaker 1>His specific training includes identifying unique characteristics of vehicles, and

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<v Speaker 1>he uses a database that gives visual clues of vehicles

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<v Speaker 1>across states to identify differences between vehicles. After reviewing the

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<v Speaker 1>numerous observation of suspect vehicle one, the forensic examiner initially

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<v Speaker 1>believed that suspect vehicle number one was a two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and eleven through twenty thirteen Honda A Lantra. Upon further review,

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<v Speaker 1>and eleven through twenty sixteen Honda A Laantra. As a result,

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<v Speaker 1>investigators have been reviewing information on persons in possession of

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<v Speaker 1>a vehicle that is a two thousand and eleven through

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen white Hondai Lantra. Investigators were given access to

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<v Speaker 1>video footage on the Washington State University Campus located in Pullman, Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>to review a video indicated that at approximately two forty

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<v Speaker 1>four AIS on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, a white

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<v Speaker 1>Sedan which was consistent with the description of the white

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<v Speaker 1>Lantra known as Suspect Vehicle one, was observed on WSU

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<v Speaker 1>surveillance cameras traveling north on southeast Nevada Street at Northeast

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<v Speaker 1>Stadium Way. At approximately two fifty three am, a white Sedan,

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<v Speaker 1>which is consistent with the description of the white Alantra

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<v Speaker 1>known as Suspect Vehicle one, was observed traveling southeast on

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<v Speaker 1>Nevada Street in Pullman, Washington, towards State Routes two seventy.

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<v Speaker 1>State Route two seventy connects Pullman, Washington to Moscow, Idaho.

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<v Speaker 1>This camera footage from Pullman, Washington was provided to the

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<v Speaker 1>same FBI forensic examiner. The forensic examiner identified the vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>observed in Pullman, Washington as being a twenty fourteen through

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<v Speaker 2>With lucky landsligns you can get lucky.

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<v Speaker 1>At approximately five twenty five am, a white Sadan, which

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<v Speaker 1>was consistent with the description of suspect vehicle number one

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<v Speaker 1>was observed on five cameras in Pullman and on Washington

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<v Speaker 1>State University campus campus cameras. The first camera that recorded

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<v Speaker 1>the white Sadan was located at thirteen hundred Johnson Road

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<v Speaker 1>in Pullman. The white Sudan was observed traveling northbound on

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson Road. Johnson Road leads directly back to West Polouse

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<v Speaker 1>River Drive in Moscow, which intersects with Conestoga Drive. The

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<v Speaker 1>and northwest on State Route two seventy at approximately five

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty seven am, The white A Lantra was observed

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<v Speaker 1>on cameras traveling northbound on Stadium Way at Nevada Street,

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<v Speaker 1>Stadium Way at Grahames at Grimes Way, and Stadium Drive

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<v Speaker 1>at Wilson Road and Stadium Way at Cougar Way. On

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<v Speaker 1>November twenty fifth, twenty twenty two, MPD asked law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>agencies to be on the lookout for the white Honda

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<v Speaker 1>A Lantra in the area. On November twenty ninth, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two, at approximately twelve twenty eight, a m Washington

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<v Speaker 1>State University Police officer Daniel Tiengo queried white Lantra registered

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<v Speaker 1>at WSU. As a result of that quarry, he located

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty fifteen white Alantra with a Pennsylvania license plate

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<v Speaker 1>LFZ eight six four nine. This vehicle was registered to

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Cohberger. Hereafter Coburger residing at one six three zero

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<v Speaker 1>Northeast Valley Road, Apartment two oh one in Pullman, Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>Sixteen thirty Northeast Valley Road is approximately three quarters of

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<v Speaker 1>a mile from the intersection of Stadium Way and Cougar Way.

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<v Speaker 1>Last camera located that picked up the white Lantra. That

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<v Speaker 1>same day at approximately twelve fifty eight am, Washington State

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<v Speaker 1>University officer Curtis Whitman was looking for white Honda A

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<v Speaker 1>Lantras and located a twenty fifteen white HONDEI Lantra at

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen thirty Northeast Valley Road and Pullman in the parking

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<v Speaker 1>lot sixteen thirty Northeast Valley Road is an apartment that

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<v Speaker 1>houses Washington State University students. Officer Whitman also ran the

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<v Speaker 1>car and a returned to Coburger with a Washington tag.

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<v Speaker 1>I reviewed Coburger's Washington State driver license information and photograph

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<v Speaker 1>This license indicates that Coburger is a white male with

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<v Speaker 1>a height of six foot and weighs one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>eighty five pounds. Additionally, the photograph of Coburger shows that

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<v Speaker 1>he has bushy eyebrows. Coburger's physical description is consistent with

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<v Speaker 1>the description of the mail DM saw inside the King

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<v Speaker 1>Road residence on November thirteenth. Further investigation, including a review

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<v Speaker 1>of Leyta County sheriff A Deputy Corporal Duke's body camera

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<v Speaker 1>and reports, showed that on August twenty first, twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>ti two, Brian Coeberger was detained as part of a

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<v Speaker 1>traffic stop that occurred in Moscow, Idaho, by Corporal Duke.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, Coburger, who was the sole occupant, was

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<v Speaker 1>driving a white twenty fifteen HONDEI Lantra with Pennsylvania plate

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<v Speaker 1>LFZ eight six four nine, which was set to expire

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<v Speaker 1>on November thirtieth of twenty twenty two. During the stop,

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<v Speaker 1>which was recorded via a law enforcement body camera, Coburger

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<v Speaker 1>provided a phone number as redacted eight four five eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Hereafter the eight four to five eight phone as his

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<v Speaker 1>cellular telephone number. Investigators conducted electronic database queries and learned

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<v Speaker 1>that the eight four to five eight number is a

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<v Speaker 1>number issued by AT and T. On October fourteenth, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two, Brian Coberger was detained as part of a

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<v Speaker 1>traffic stop by a Washington State University police officer. Upon

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<v Speaker 1>review of that bodycam footage and report of the stop up,

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<v Speaker 1>Coburger was the sole occupant and was driving a white

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen Hondai Elantra with the same license plate. On

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<v Speaker 1>November eighteenth, twenty twenty two, According to Washington State Licensing,

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<v Speaker 1>Coburger registered the twenty fifteen white Lantra with the washing

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<v Speaker 1>with Washington and later received the Washington plate CFB eight

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<v Speaker 1>seven zero eight. Prior to this time, the twenty fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>Alantra was registered in Pennsylvania, which does not require a

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<v Speaker 1>front license plate to be displayed. This was learned through

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<v Speaker 1>communication with a Pennsylvania officer who is currently certified in

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<v Speaker 1>the state of Pennsylvania. Based on my own experience and

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<v Speaker 1>communications with Washington law enforcement, I know that Idaho and

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<v Speaker 1>Washington require front and back license plates to be displayed.

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<v Speaker 1>Investigators believe that Coburger is still driving the twenty fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>white Alantra because this vehicle was captured on December thirteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, by a license reader in Loma, Colorado,

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<v Speaker 1>information provided by a query to a database. Coburger's Alantra

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<v Speaker 1>was then queried on December fifteenth, twenty twenty two by

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement and Hancock County, Indiana. On December sixteenth, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two, at approximately two twenty six pm, surveillance video

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<v Speaker 1>showed Coburger's Ailantra in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania. The sole occupant of

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<v Speaker 1>the vehicle was a white male whose description was consistent

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<v Speaker 1>with Coburger. Coburger has family in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania. Learned through

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<v Speaker 1>a TLO search and locate tooled database query based on

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<v Speaker 1>information provided on the Washington State University website. Coburger is

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<v Speaker 1>currently a PhD student in criminology at Washington State University.

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<v Speaker 1>Pursuant to records provided by a number of the interview

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<v Speaker 1>interview panel for Pullman Police Department, we learned that Coburger's

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<v Speaker 1>past education included undergraduate degrees in psychology and cloud based forensics.

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<v Speaker 1>These records also showed Coburger wrote an essay when he

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<v Speaker 1>applied for an internship with Pullman Police Department. In the

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<v Speaker 1>fall of twenty twenty two. Coburger wrote in his essay

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<v Speaker 1>he had interest in assisting in rural law enforcement agencies

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<v Speaker 1>with how to better collect and analyze technological data in

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<v Speaker 1>public safety operations. Coberger also posted a Reddit survey, which

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<v Speaker 1>can be found by an open source Internet search. The

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<v Speaker 1>survey asked for participants to provide information to understand how

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<v Speaker 1>emotional and psychological traits influenced decision making when committing a crime.

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<v Speaker 1>As part of this investigation, law enforcement obtained search warrants

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<v Speaker 1>to determine cellular devices that utilized cellular towers in close

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<v Speaker 1>proximity to the King Road residents on November thirteenth, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two, between three am and five am. After determining

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<v Speaker 1>that Coburger associated to both the twenty fifteen Whitelantra and

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<v Speaker 1>the eight four to five eight phone, investigators reviewed these

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<v Speaker 1>search warrant returns. A query of the eight four to

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<v Speaker 1>five eight number in these returns did not show the

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<v Speaker 1>eight four to five eight number utilizing cellular tower resources

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<v Speaker 1>in close proximity to the King Road residents between three

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<v Speaker 1>and five am. Based on my training experience and conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with law enforcement officers, that specialize in the utilization of

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<v Speaker 1>cellular telephone records as part of an investigation. Individuals can

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<v Speaker 1>either leave their cell phone at a different location before

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<v Speaker 1>committing a crime, or turn their cellular telephone off prior

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<v Speaker 1>to going to a location to commit a crime. This

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement that a cellular device associated with them was

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<v Speaker 1>in the particular area where a crime is committed. I

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<v Speaker 1>also know that on numerous occasions, subjects will surveil an

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<v Speaker 1>area where they attend to commit a crime prior to

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<v Speaker 1>the date of the crime. Depending on the circumstances, this

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<v Speaker 1>could be done a few days before or several months

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<v Speaker 1>prior to the commission of a crime. During these types

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<v Speaker 1>of surveillance, it is possible that an individual would not

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<v Speaker 1>an offense on that particular day. On December twenty third,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, I applied four and was granted a

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<v Speaker 1>search warrant for historical phone records between November twelfth, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two, and at twelve am and November fourteenth at

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<v Speaker 1>held by the phone provider AT and T approximately twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four hours proceeding and following the times of the homicides.

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<v Speaker 1>On December twenty three, twenty twenty two. Percent to that

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<v Speaker 1>search warrant, I received records for the eight four to

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<v Speaker 1>five eight phone from AT and T. These records indicated

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<v Speaker 1>that eight four to five eight phone is subscribed to

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Cohberger at an address in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania, and the

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<v Speaker 1>account has been opened since June twenty third, twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>These records also included historical cell site location information for

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<v Speaker 1>the eight to four to five eight phone. After receiving

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<v Speaker 1>this information, I consulted with an FBI Special Agent that

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<v Speaker 1>is certified as a member of the Cellular and Analysis

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<v Speaker 1>Survey Team. Members of CASTE are certified with the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>to provide expert testimony in the field of historical CLSI

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<v Speaker 1>and are required to pass extensive training that includes both

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<v Speaker 1>written and practical examinations prior to becoming certified with CASTE,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as the completion of yearly certification requirements. Additionally,

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI CASTE essay that I consulted with over fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>years of federal law enforcement experience, which includes six years

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<v Speaker 1>with the FBI. From information provided by Caste, I was

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<v Speaker 1>able to determine estimated locations for the eight four to

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<v Speaker 1>five eight phone from November twelfth, twenty twenty two to

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<v Speaker 1>November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, the time period authorized by

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<v Speaker 1>the court. On November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, at approximately

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<v Speaker 1>two forty two am, the eight four to five eight

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<v Speaker 1>phone was utilizing cellular resources that provide coverage to the

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen thirty Northeast Valley Road, Apartment G two zero one, Pullman, Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>hereafter the Coburger Residence. At approximately two forty seven AM,

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<v Speaker 1>the eight four to five eight phone utilized cellular resources

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<v Speaker 1>that provide coverage southeast of the Coburger residence, consistent with

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<v Speaker 1>the eight four or five eight phone leaving the Coburger

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<v Speaker 1>Residence and traveling through Pullman, Washington. This is consistent with

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<v Speaker 1>the movement of the wait Alantra At approximately two forty

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<v Speaker 1>seven AM. At eight four five eight phone stops reporting

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<v Speaker 1>being in an area without cellular coverage or the connection

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<v Speaker 1>to the network is disabled. Such as putting the phone

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<v Speaker 1>in airplane mode or the phone is turned off. The

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<v Speaker 1>at which time it utilized cellular resources that provide coverage

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<v Speaker 1>to id State Highway ninety five south of Moscow, Idaho,

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<v Speaker 1>and five twenty six am, the phone utilizes cellular resources

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<v Speaker 1>that are consistent with the eight four five eight phone

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<v Speaker 1>traveling south on Idaho State Highway ninety five to Genese, Idaho,

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<v Speaker 1>then traveling west towards Unitown, Idaho, and then north back

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<v Speaker 1>into Pullman, Washington. At approximately five point thirty am, the

418
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<v Speaker 1>eight four to five eight phone is utilizing resources that

419
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<v Speaker 1>provide coverage to Pullman, Washington and consistent with the phone

420
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:04.759
<v Speaker 1>traveling back to the Coburger residence. The eight four to

421
00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:07.960
<v Speaker 1>five eight phones movements are consistent with the movements of

422
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:11.480
<v Speaker 1>the white Lantra that is observed traveling north on Stadium

423
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Drive at approximately five twenty seven am. Based on a

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00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:19.680
<v Speaker 1>review of the eight four five eight phones estimated locations

425
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:22.359
<v Speaker 1>in travel, the eight four to five eight phones travel

426
00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:26.519
<v Speaker 1>is consistent with that of the White Lantra. Further review

427
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:29.480
<v Speaker 1>indicated that the eight four to five eight phone utilize

428
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:33.440
<v Speaker 1>cellular resources on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two that are

429
00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:36.559
<v Speaker 1>consistent with the eight four five eight phone leaving the

430
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:40.839
<v Speaker 1>area of the Coburger residence at approximately nine am and

431
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:44.480
<v Speaker 1>traveling to Moscow, Idaho. Specifically, the eight four to five

432
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:48.400
<v Speaker 1>eight phone utilize cellular resources that would provide coverage to

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00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:51.960
<v Speaker 1>the King Road residence between nine twelve am and nine

434
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:55.160
<v Speaker 1>twenty one AM. The eight four to five eight phone

435
00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:58.960
<v Speaker 1>next utilized cellular resources that are consistent with the eight

436
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:01.759
<v Speaker 1>four to five eight phone, traveling back to the area

437
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:05.440
<v Speaker 1>of the Coburger residence and arriving to the area at

438
00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:11.200
<v Speaker 1>approximately nine thirty two am. Investigators found that the eight

439
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:13.759
<v Speaker 1>four to five eight phone did connect to a cell

440
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:17.720
<v Speaker 1>phone tower that provides service to Moscow on November fourteenth,

441
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:21.200
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, but investigators do not believe the eight

442
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:24.200
<v Speaker 1>four or five eight phone was in Moscow on that date.

443
00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:27.480
<v Speaker 1>The eight four to five eight phone was not connected

444
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:30.880
<v Speaker 1>to any towers that provide service to Moscow since that date,

445
00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:34.359
<v Speaker 1>based on my training and experience and the facts of

446
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:38.039
<v Speaker 1>the investigation. Thus, far I believe that Coburger, the user

447
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:40.400
<v Speaker 1>of the eight four to five eight phone, was likely

448
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>the driver of the white Alantra that is observed a

449
00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:47.160
<v Speaker 1>parting Pullman Washington, and that this vehicle is likely suspect

450
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:51.680
<v Speaker 1>vehicle number one. Additionally, the route of travel of the

451
00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:53.920
<v Speaker 1>eight four or five eight phone during the early morning

452
00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:58.039
<v Speaker 1>hours of November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, and the lack

453
00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:00.599
<v Speaker 1>of eight four five eight reporting to AT and T

454
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.160
<v Speaker 1>between two forty seven and four to forty eight a

455
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:07.799
<v Speaker 1>m is consistent with Coburger attempting to conceal his location

456
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:12.200
<v Speaker 1>during the quadruple homicide that occurred at the King Road residence.

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<v Speaker 1>On December twenty third, twenty twenty two, I was granted

458
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:21.880
<v Speaker 1>a search warrant for Coburger's historical CSLI from June twenty three,

459
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:25.599
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, to current prospective location information and a

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00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:28.599
<v Speaker 1>pen register trap and trace on the eight to four

461
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:31.400
<v Speaker 1>to five to eight phone in aid in efforts to

462
00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:35.200
<v Speaker 1>determine if Coburger stalked any of the victims in this case.

463
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:39.359
<v Speaker 1>Prior to the offense, conducted surveillance on the King Road residence,

464
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:42.880
<v Speaker 1>was in contact with any of the victims or associates

465
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:47.400
<v Speaker 1>before or after the alleged defense any locations that may

466
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:50.799
<v Speaker 1>contain evidence of the murders that occurred on November thirteenth,

467
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:54.599
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, the location of the white Alantra registered

468
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:58.960
<v Speaker 1>to Coburger, as well as the location of Coburger on

469
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:02.119
<v Speaker 1>December twenty third, twenty twenty two. Pursuant to the search warrant,

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00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:05.359
<v Speaker 1>I received historical records from the eight four to five

471
00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:08.400
<v Speaker 1>eight phone from AT and T from the time the

472
00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:12.799
<v Speaker 1>account was opened in June twenty twenty two. After consulting

473
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:17.279
<v Speaker 1>with Caste Essay, I was able to determine estimated locations

474
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:19.680
<v Speaker 1>for the eight four to five eight phone from June

475
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:23.359
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two to present, the time period authorized by

476
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.440
<v Speaker 1>the court. The records for the eight four or five

477
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:29.319
<v Speaker 1>eight phone show the eight four to five eight phone

478
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:33.440
<v Speaker 1>utilizing cellular resources that provide coverage to the area of

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00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:36.799
<v Speaker 1>eleven twenty two King Road on at least twelve occasions

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00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:42.240
<v Speaker 1>prior to November thirteenth, twenty twenty two. All of these occasions,

481
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:45.160
<v Speaker 1>except for one, occurred in the late evening and early

482
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:49.640
<v Speaker 1>morning hours of their respective days. One of these occasions

483
00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:52.640
<v Speaker 1>on August twenty first, twenty twenty two, the phone eight

484
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:56.960
<v Speaker 1>four five eight utilized cellular resources providing coverage to the

485
00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:00.839
<v Speaker 1>King Road residents from approximately ten to thirty four pm

486
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:05.079
<v Speaker 1>to eleven thirty five PM. At approximately eleven thirty seven pm,

487
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:09.160
<v Speaker 1>Coburger was stopped by Leyta County Sheriff's Corporal Duke. As

488
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:12.839
<v Speaker 1>mentioned before, the eight five to four to eight phone

489
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:16.480
<v Speaker 1>was utilizing cellular resources consistent with the location of the

490
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:21.039
<v Speaker 1>traffic stop during this time Farm Road and Pullman Highway.

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00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Further analysis of the cellular data provided showed that eight

492
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:30.039
<v Speaker 1>four to five eight phone utilized cellular resources on November thirteenth,

493
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:33.519
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, consistent with the phone traveling from Pullman,

494
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:38.319
<v Speaker 1>Washington to Lewiston, Idaho, via US Highway one ninety five.

495
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:42.359
<v Speaker 1>At approximately twelve thirty six pm, the eight four five

496
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:46.799
<v Speaker 1>eight phone utilized cellular resources that would provide coverage to

497
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:51.839
<v Speaker 1>Kate's Cup of Joe coffee stand located at a ten

498
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:56.119
<v Speaker 1>Port Drive, Clarkston, Washington. Surveillance footage from the US chef

499
00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Store located at eight twenty Port Drive, Clarkston, Washington and

500
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:02.160
<v Speaker 1>at Jason to Kate's Cup of Joe showed a white

501
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Lantra consistent with suspect vehicle number one. Drive pay passed

502
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Kate's cup of Joe at a time consistent with the

503
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.319
<v Speaker 1>cellular data from the eight five four to eight phone

504
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:16.319
<v Speaker 1>at approximately twelve forty six PM. The eight four to

505
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:19.960
<v Speaker 1>five eight phone then utilized cellular data in the area

506
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:23.680
<v Speaker 1>of an Albertson's grocery store at four hundred Bridge Street

507
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>in Clarkston, Washington. Surveillance footage obtained from the Albertsons showed

508
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Coburger exit the white Lantra consistent with suspect vehicle number

509
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:36.720
<v Speaker 1>one at approximately twelve forty nine PM. Interior surveillance cameras

510
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:40.359
<v Speaker 1>showed Coburger walked through the store, purchased unknown items at

511
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:44.599
<v Speaker 1>the checkout, and leave at approximately one o four PM.

512
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Coburger's possible path of travel is depicted below. Additional analysis

513
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:53.440
<v Speaker 1>of records for eight four five eight phone indicated that

514
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:57.519
<v Speaker 1>between approximately five point thirty two PM and five thirty

515
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.000
<v Speaker 1>six PM, the eight four to five eight phone US

516
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:05.119
<v Speaker 1>utilized cellular resources that provide coverage to Johnson, Idaho. The

517
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:07.640
<v Speaker 1>eight four to five eight phone then stops reporting to

518
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:11.039
<v Speaker 1>the network from approximately five thirty six PM to eight

519
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:14.119
<v Speaker 1>thirty PM. This is consistent with the eight four to

520
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:16.880
<v Speaker 1>five eight phone being in the area that the eight

521
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:19.920
<v Speaker 1>four to five eight phone traveled in the hours immediately

522
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:24.800
<v Speaker 1>following the suspected homicides that occurred. On December twenty seventh,

523
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:28.760
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, Pennsylvania agents recovered the trash from the

524
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Coburger family residents located in Albrightville, Pennsylvania. That evidence was

525
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:36.960
<v Speaker 1>sent to the Idaho State Lab for testing. On December

526
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:40.519
<v Speaker 1>twenty eighth, twenty twenty two, the Idaho State Lab reported

527
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:44.039
<v Speaker 1>that a DNA profile obtained from the trash and the

528
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:48.480
<v Speaker 1>DNA profile obtained from the sheath identified a Mail as

529
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:52.960
<v Speaker 1>not being excluded as the biological father of suspect profile.

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00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:56.159
<v Speaker 1>At least ninety nine point nine nine nine eight percent

531
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:59.559
<v Speaker 1>of the Mail population would be expected to be excluded

532
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:03.559
<v Speaker 1>from the p possibility of being the suspects biological father.

533
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Based on the above information, I am requesting a warrant

534
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:12.880
<v Speaker 1>be issued for Brian C. Cohberger for burglary at eleven

535
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.559
<v Speaker 1>twenty two King Street in Moscow, Idaho, and four counts

536
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:19.480
<v Speaker 1>of murder in the first degree for the murders of

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00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:25.719
<v Speaker 1>Madison Mogan Kaylee Gonsavas, Santa Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. I declare,

538
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:28.320
<v Speaker 1>under the penalty of perjury pursuant to the law of

539
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:33.119
<v Speaker 1>the State of Idaho, that the foregoing is true and correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, oh boy, folks, there you have it. There

541
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:39.079
<v Speaker 1>is a lot of process there, and it's gonna take

542
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:40.880
<v Speaker 1>me a little time to go through it all and

543
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:44.760
<v Speaker 1>see what we have. But my initial reaction is Brian

544
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:49.199
<v Speaker 1>Coohberger is as good as cooked. All right, folks, that's

545
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:51.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna do it for this one. If you'd like to

546
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:53.880
<v Speaker 1>contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kopuci at

547
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:58.039
<v Speaker 1>ProtonMail dot com. That's bo b b Y c apu

548
00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Cci at proton dot com. You can also find me

549
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:08.079
<v Speaker 1>on Twitter at Bobby underscore cap Ucci. The link that

550
00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:11.519
<v Speaker 1>I discussed can be found in the description box. You one,

551
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<v Speaker 1>and welcome back to the program. Now that we've all

552
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<v Speaker 1>had a little bit of time to let the Affid

553
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:20.679
<v Speaker 1>David digest a little bit and to go through it

554
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:24.079
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more, there are a few things inside

555
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:26.800
<v Speaker 1>of that Afid David that are going to be very,

556
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:33.239
<v Speaker 1>very difficult for Brian Cooberger and his defense to argue now,

557
00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:35.719
<v Speaker 1>of course, there are going to be hurdles for the

558
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:40.000
<v Speaker 1>prosecution as well, and there is no doubt that Coburger's

559
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:42.760
<v Speaker 1>defense team is going to look to punch holes in

560
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:47.239
<v Speaker 1>every little thing that the prosecution brings to the table.

561
00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:50.599
<v Speaker 2>The question is will they have enough.

562
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:54.360
<v Speaker 1>To work with to make a jury believe that Brian

563
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Coberger is not the man responsible, or at the very

564
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:02.559
<v Speaker 1>least that the prosecution doesn't have enough evidence to convince

565
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:06.320
<v Speaker 1>a jury beyond the reasonable doubt that Coburger is the

566
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:10.239
<v Speaker 1>man responsible. So today we have an article from Law

567
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:13.360
<v Speaker 1>and Crime talking about this a little bit and about

568
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:16.320
<v Speaker 1>how strong the evidence is in the Affidavid and some

569
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:22.159
<v Speaker 1>of the hurdles that both sides might face. Headline Idaho

570
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:26.360
<v Speaker 1>murder suspect Brian Coberger's Affidavid is full of bad facts

571
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:30.000
<v Speaker 1>for his lawyers and some gaps for the state, experts say.

572
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:37.440
<v Speaker 1>This article was authored by Adam Klassfeld. In the defense bar,

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00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:41.559
<v Speaker 1>attorneys have a phrase to describe information that isn't helpful

574
00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:45.039
<v Speaker 1>to their clients. They're bad facts, And a federal public

575
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:49.119
<v Speaker 1>defender who represented thousands of clients say they are all

576
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:52.679
<v Speaker 1>over the recently unsealed affid David in the case of

577
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Idaho quadruple murder suspect Brian Coberger, and it certainly doesn't

578
00:37:57.920 --> 00:37:59.920
<v Speaker 1>look good for mister Coberger.

579
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:01.599
<v Speaker 2>With the evidence that we have here.

580
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:05.760
<v Speaker 1>However, if you have a competent lawyer, they can punch

581
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:09.360
<v Speaker 1>holes in just about anything. So it's going to be

582
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:13.519
<v Speaker 1>very interesting to see what sort of strategy is employed

583
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:18.119
<v Speaker 1>here by Brian Coohberger's defense moving forward, because we know

584
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:21.920
<v Speaker 1>already that he plans on fighting these charges at least

585
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:25.519
<v Speaker 1>as of now. So we're gonna get discovery, we're going

586
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:28.000
<v Speaker 1>to get to the trial phase, and we're gonna hear

587
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:32.119
<v Speaker 1>a whole lot more about what happened. Some are bad

588
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:35.400
<v Speaker 1>facts that could get better, and some are bad facts

589
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:38.840
<v Speaker 1>that couldn't get worse. Long Crime Network host and federal

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00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:43.760
<v Speaker 1>public defender Brian Buckmeyer said in an interview. Authorities believe

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00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:47.199
<v Speaker 1>that Coburger was the man who killed four University of

592
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Idaho's students, Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Kaylee Gonsalvez, and Madison Mogan.

593
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<v Speaker 1>The students were stabbed to death on the second and

594
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<v Speaker 1>third floors of an off campus house in the small

595
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:05.079
<v Speaker 1>rural college town on November thirteenth of twenty twenty two,

596
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:09.320
<v Speaker 1>the unsealed affid David revealed that Moscow Police Department Corporal

597
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:12.639
<v Speaker 1>Brett Payne found a tan leather knife sheath laying on

598
00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:16.760
<v Speaker 1>the bed next to Mogen's right side, stamped with US

599
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Marine Corps k bar and related insignia. So when they

600
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:23.719
<v Speaker 1>were talking about the knife right from the beginning, they

601
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:27.639
<v Speaker 1>weren't messing around, right, It was a kbar knife allegedly,

602
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.639
<v Speaker 1>and they found that sheath with his DNA on it,

603
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:33.400
<v Speaker 1>and the DNA that was found on it was touch

604
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:39.400
<v Speaker 1>DNA basically skin coming off of your finger. So pretty

605
00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:43.239
<v Speaker 1>hard evidence here that Brian Koberger was in possession of

606
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.360
<v Speaker 1>this knife at least at some point. That's what the

607
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:50.639
<v Speaker 1>prosecution obviously is going to argue. However, there is no

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<v Speaker 1>murder weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, you don't need a murder weapon and you don't

611
00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:59.079
<v Speaker 1>need motive to get a conviction for murder. But it

612
00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:01.639
<v Speaker 1>does go along way. If you can find that weapon

613
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:04.719
<v Speaker 1>and it has DNA on it, that leads you directly

614
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:08.480
<v Speaker 1>directly to the killer. Now, having that sheath that was

615
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:14.400
<v Speaker 1>housing that weapon, that's pretty significant as well. From there,

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<v Speaker 1>authorities found a single source of male DNA, and they

617
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:22.960
<v Speaker 1>recovered DNA from Coburger's father from the family residence in Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 1>At least ninety nine point nine nine nine eight percent

619
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:30.719
<v Speaker 1>of the male population would be expected to be excluded

620
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<v Speaker 1>from the possibility of being the suspect's biological father. The

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<v Speaker 1>affidavit said, so, according to this science, it's pretty much

622
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<v Speaker 1>indisputable that Brian Coburger's DNA is on the sheath of

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<v Speaker 1>this knife. The defendant's father was not excluded. Authorities, however,

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<v Speaker 1>do not have the suspects DNA yet. Now where it

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<v Speaker 1>could go depends on when ultimately they get Brian Coberger's DNA.

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<v Speaker 1>Buck Meyer noted, I'm guessing that that's already occurred now

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<v Speaker 1>that he's been in the lock of Right. Once you're

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<v Speaker 1>you know, arrested, you have to give up DNA and

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<v Speaker 1>shit like that, don't you. Another bad fact flagged by

630
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<v Speaker 1>experts came in the form of AT and T phone

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<v Speaker 1>records scrutinized by law enforcement between two forty seven am

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<v Speaker 1>and four forty eight AM on the night of the slayings.

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<v Speaker 1>Authority say Coburger turned off his cell phone to conceal

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<v Speaker 1>his location during the quadruple homicide that occurred at the

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<v Speaker 1>King Road residence, and why anyone would bring their cell

636
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<v Speaker 1>phone to commit a crime is absolutely beyond me. And

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<v Speaker 1>trust me when I tell you I'm certainly no arch criminal.

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<v Speaker 1>I am terrified of going to prison or jail or

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<v Speaker 1>anything that has to do with me being detained against

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<v Speaker 1>my will. But if you're going to commit a crime,

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<v Speaker 1>probably a good idea A not to use your own

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<v Speaker 1>whip and b to leave your cell phone at home.

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<v Speaker 1>Before his arrest, had been pursuing his PhD in criminology

644
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<v Speaker 1>at Washington State University, about ten miles away from the

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<v Speaker 1>Idaho crime scene. Buck Meyer noted that the rural area

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<v Speaker 1>where the stabbings took place wasn't exactly brimming with cell

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<v Speaker 1>phone towers. If we have two cell phone towers that

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<v Speaker 1>are tracking from nine to ten miles apart, him being

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<v Speaker 1>pinged on two different cell towers doesn't mean anything. He added,

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<v Speaker 1>That's why former federal prosecutor Mitchell Elepner said flatly that

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<v Speaker 1>the government would hope to have much more evidence than

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<v Speaker 1>is a parent in that affid David before any trial,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's significant right to hear from these prosecutors saying

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<v Speaker 1>that while the affid David does have strong evidence, they

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<v Speaker 1>would hope that the government has a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>than that when it comes to trial time. And I

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<v Speaker 1>can get on board with that. Look, you want to

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<v Speaker 1>have as much evidence as possible when it comes to trial.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to make sure that it's a slam dunk

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<v Speaker 1>or the closest thing too that you can get. But

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times when we're dealing with criminal trials,

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<v Speaker 1>especially ones like this, there's all kinds of twists and

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<v Speaker 1>turns in the road and all kinds of hiccups for

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<v Speaker 1>both the defense and the prosecution. Social reaction is I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen people convicted on less evidence, said Epner, a partner

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<v Speaker 1>at the firm Rottenberg Litmann Rich PC. But I would

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<v Speaker 1>not want to go to trial if that was my

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<v Speaker 1>only evidence. If a jury is predisposed to believe Coburger

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<v Speaker 1>is the killer, Epner said, the DNA and the location

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<v Speaker 1>data would be sufficient if admitted. I mean, the son

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<v Speaker 1>of Sam was basically caught because of a parking ticket,

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<v Speaker 1>Epner said, referring to the serial killer David Berkowitz, who

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<v Speaker 1>reach taboc over New York City in the summer of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy seven. No jury would be overturned for convicting

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<v Speaker 1>on that basis. So look, with the digital evidence that

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<v Speaker 1>they have, and with all of the evidence that we

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<v Speaker 1>have seen in the Affid David. Look, folks, it's very strong, right,

678
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<v Speaker 1>it is very strong evidence. But the question is is

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<v Speaker 1>it enough to convict? Beyond that? Epner noted, some of

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<v Speaker 1>the additional evidence is murky. The Affid David refers to

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<v Speaker 1>a footprint from a Vans type show a shoe sole

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<v Speaker 1>without explicitly saying it's Coburger's. Some of the evidence suggests

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<v Speaker 1>Coburger may have stopped the victims, but Epner says that

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<v Speaker 1>could have ready made defense, though perhaps one that's not

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<v Speaker 1>flattering to the accused. You could also think this is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a loser who was socially awkward, who lived

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<v Speaker 1>in a university town, who was obsessed with a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of attractive young women, Epner said, And that certainly could

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<v Speaker 1>be the excuse, that could be the reasoning why he

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<v Speaker 1>was at this house. Oh, I was infatuated with one

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<v Speaker 1>or more of the girls. I was over there because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I couldn't work up the courage to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to them. Whatever kind of nonsensical bs he comes up with,

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<v Speaker 1>But there's going to be some kind of defense of this.

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<v Speaker 1>The reliance upon the knife sheath recovered from the crime

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<v Speaker 1>scene points to the absence of what it holds the

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<v Speaker 1>murder weapon. Now, again, you do not need the murder

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<v Speaker 1>weapon to get a conviction, although if you have the

699
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<v Speaker 1>murder weapon, it obviously makes your case that much stronger,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if it has that DNA on it. The affidavit does, however,

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<v Speaker 1>contain plenty of evidence of the participation in the investigation

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<v Speaker 1>by the FBI, which is mentioned eight times in the document.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI definitely was a key component here for catching

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<v Speaker 1>a suspect and bringing Brian Koberger into custody. Now, are

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<v Speaker 1>the charges going to stick? Is he going to be convicted?

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know that yet. But the FBI played a

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<v Speaker 1>crucial role in building this case, collecting this evidence, surveilling him,

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<v Speaker 1>and then arresting him when they had the probable cause

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<v Speaker 1>and the warrants all ready to go. So it was

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<v Speaker 1>a master class by the FBI in surveillance and intelligence gathering.

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<v Speaker 1>But like I said from the beginning, that's what they

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<v Speaker 1>excel at. If the FBI would just stick to that

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<v Speaker 1>and get away from the rest of the nonsense they

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<v Speaker 1>get involved in. They would serve themselves so much better. Epner,

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<v Speaker 1>who previously led intake for sex trafficking cases in the

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<v Speaker 1>US Attorney's Office District of New Jersey, said he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be surprised if the federal government eventually took over the case,

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<v Speaker 1>giving the interstate travel that ultimately led to Colberger's capture

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<v Speaker 1>in Pennsylvania. Now I have no idea who will take

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<v Speaker 1>you know, providence here, the federal government, or if it'll

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<v Speaker 1>stay in Idaho. Obviously this gentleman mister Epner, would know

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<v Speaker 1>more about that sort of thing than me, But it

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<v Speaker 1>seems more likely that Idaho is going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>ones who try this case and the people of Idaho

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be the ones who administer the justice.

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<v Speaker 1>I would think that that would be the right way

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<v Speaker 1>to go here, But if it goes federal, then I

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<v Speaker 1>guess that's just another curveball we'll have to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>at that time. For buck Meyer, whatever evidence Idaho authorities

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<v Speaker 1>either may have or disclosed is outweighed by the weight

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<v Speaker 1>of the facts proffered in the document. As many times

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<v Speaker 1>as I can try and pull holes in his Affid David.

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<v Speaker 1>It's still probably one of the strongest Affid Davids that

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen in a very, very long time, buck Meyer added,

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<v Speaker 1>if accepted by the jury, the evidence Tyan Coberger to

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<v Speaker 1>crimes alleged would reflect mistakes he would be singularly trained

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<v Speaker 1>to recognize as a criminology student, but buck Meyer noted

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<v Speaker 1>that goes to the nature of the criminal mind. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not just the intelligence of someone who commits a crime,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the arrogance, buck Meyer said, alluding to the suspect

741
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<v Speaker 1>allegedly bringing his cell phone to the scene and returning

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<v Speaker 1>to the site twelve times. I know that it may

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<v Speaker 1>be new for some people to see the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>intelligent criminals. Intelligent criminals happen all the time, buck Meyer noted,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's the arrogance of a criminal that really trips

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<v Speaker 1>them up. And that's really what it comes down to

747
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<v Speaker 1>for a lot of these so called mastermind criminals, right

748
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<v Speaker 1>they get arrogant, they get brazen, and they start acting

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<v Speaker 1>the full Look.

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<v Speaker 2>At a guy like Israel Keys, he was very cautious.

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<v Speaker 1>He would plan out his murders and then eventually his

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<v Speaker 1>nonsense got the best of him. He snatches a girl

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<v Speaker 1>who lives near him and it leads to his arrest.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's how it usually works for these people. They

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<v Speaker 1>think they're the smartest man in the room until they're not.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, folks, that's gonna do it for this one.

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<v Speaker 1>If you'd like to contact me, you can do that

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<v Speaker 1>at Bobby Kapuuchi at ProtonMail dot com. That's bo bb

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<v Speaker 1>Y c apu Cci at proton mail dot com. You

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<v Speaker 1>can also find me on Twitter at bo bby Underscore

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<v Speaker 1>c ap u Cci. The link that I discussed can

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<v Speaker 1>be found in the descript chin box Ready
