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Speaker 1: Cincinnati and beyond. Moeger, Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show.
Speaker 1: And the big question is this, mo Why are the
Speaker 1: Bengals three and five? Why do they lose the two
Speaker 1: preseason games in a home that don't matter? But they
Speaker 1: lost them? Then? Why they zero and four? Why they've
Speaker 1: gone through August, September and October have not won one
Speaker 1: game at home?
Speaker 2: Why? Why? Why they're not very good?
Speaker 1: Oh thing? Okay?
Speaker 2: Thank you, min I think, I think, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Willie. I think when you've
Speaker 2: played eight games, you have offered a large enough sample
Speaker 2: size for us to be able to make conclusions about
Speaker 2: you as as a football team. And the one that
Speaker 2: I have is this team is simply not very good.
Speaker 2: Now they have some good things going for it. Joe
Speaker 2: Burrow is a very good quarterback, leads the NFL and
Speaker 2: QBR they have some good offensive weapons. The Bengals offensively
Speaker 2: yesterday early in the game, did some really good things
Speaker 2: Mike Gasicki perhaps most notably, but the whole, the collection
Speaker 2: of their parts, is not a very good football team. Now,
Speaker 2: not very good could still get you into the postseason.
Speaker 2: The standard to make the playoffs in the NFL has
Speaker 2: never been lower. But as this team is currently constructed,
Speaker 2: going to win let's say seven out of nine's, I
Speaker 2: kind of assume the buy in to make the postseason
Speaker 2: still going to be ten wins for the Bengals to
Speaker 2: get to that number. This team, which hasn't won at
Speaker 2: home yet, which doesn't have a lot of difference makers
Speaker 2: on defense, and which at times can't get out of
Speaker 2: its own way, is this team gonna win seven of
Speaker 2: its next nine games? If you believe the answer is yes,
Speaker 2: you've watched a different football team than I have. And
Speaker 2: at some point you need you need to hang your
Speaker 2: hat on something besides what the schedule makers give to you,
Speaker 2: because we do this all the time. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: they play the Raiders and they're more than a touchdown
Speaker 2: favorite against them, But the Chargers aren't great, and yeah,
Speaker 2: well neither were the Patriots Bengals lose, neither were supposed
Speaker 2: to be the Washington Commanders Bengals lose, and frankly that
Speaker 2: the Browns and Giants games were probably closer than they
Speaker 2: should have been. I'm not interested in the schedule. I'm
Speaker 2: not interested in the opposition. I'm interested in how the
Speaker 2: Bengals play, and they haven't played well enough for a
Speaker 2: long enough stretch of time for me or I think
Speaker 2: anybody to reasonably believe that they can accomplish their goal,
Speaker 2: which at the beginning of the season we all thought
Speaker 2: was to win the Super Bowl. And again I keep
Speaker 2: coming back to that. Right, this was a season. This
Speaker 2: is why they didn't move on from Jamar Chase. I'm
Speaker 2: sorry from T Higgins. The idea of this season was
Speaker 2: to win the Super Bowl, not sneak in skate by,
Speaker 2: get to nine wins and hope the tie breakers fall
Speaker 2: your way, not barely eclipse bad opponents, and somehow get
Speaker 2: in as the last wild card to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: If you've watched anything over the first eight weeks that
Speaker 2: would suggest this team is capable of winning seven of
Speaker 2: nine and doing that, you have watched something different than
Speaker 2: what I've watched of.
Speaker 1: Course beginning the season, and we were told by Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow that this is the best team he's ever been on.
Speaker 1: They've plugged all the holes. T Higgins were all in.
Speaker 1: And I have flashbacks every now and then during a game, Moeger,
Speaker 1: I have a flashback. I think of Carson Palmer to
Speaker 1: Chris Henry and o Cho Sinko. Then I think about, Okay,
Speaker 1: this time we have Joe Burrow, Heisman Trophy winner, first team,
Speaker 1: first team College Football Player of the Year, wins national titles.
Speaker 1: Is there something about Cincinnati where you put on the
Speaker 1: stripes an over a period of time, you contract some
Speaker 1: illness of virus Like the Plains Indians were anthrax infused
Speaker 1: blankets to keep them warm in the summertime, and after
Speaker 1: using the blankets for a period of time, they all
Speaker 1: got sick and died. Is there something about Cincinnati that
Speaker 1: sucks in? These Heisman Trophy winners, these fair haired boys
Speaker 1: from all over the world, they come here ready to go.
Speaker 1: Philly Urine and Vinegar. I replayed in my mind, Carson Palmer,
Speaker 1: We're gonna win here, et cetera. We're gonna do this.
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis, who's gonna assistant coach of the Raiders is
Speaker 1: in town Sunday, I think zero and nine in the
Speaker 1: playoffs with Marvin Lewis. Do you see the reincarnation of
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer and Joe Burrow And at some point the
Speaker 1: life would be sucked out of him and after six
Speaker 1: or seven or eight years it would demand to be traded.
Speaker 1: Do you see that again?
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, Marvin was zero to seven. Let's
Speaker 2: not give him two losses that he doesn't deserve.
Speaker 1: Well, he would have played two.
Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, he does come back with the Raiders this weekend,
Speaker 2: which adds an interesting dynamic to this game. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: Carson Palmer did something that I'm not sure any other
Speaker 2: player would ever do, which is say, I'm leaving close
Speaker 2: to fifty million dollars on the table because I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna play here anymore, and I'm gonna force you to
Speaker 2: trade me, which obviously the Bengals ultimately did. I would
Speaker 2: have a hard time believing anybody else is ever going
Speaker 2: to do that. But I mean, look, you've you are
Speaker 2: going to get to a point if you're if you're
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, where if this continues, and I'm talking about
Speaker 2: over a protracted amount of time where if this continues,
Speaker 2: where you feel like, you know what, I'm not being
Speaker 2: given a chance to reach my full potential as a
Speaker 2: winner in the NFL, because, let's face it, that's what
Speaker 2: quarterbacks are judged by. Right, Yeah, that's what. Right, That's why.
Speaker 2: That's why we viewed Tom Brady as better than Peyton Manning,
Speaker 2: even though Peyton Manning in a number of statistical categories
Speaker 2: put up better individual seasons often. Right, It's why we
Speaker 2: don't put Dan Marino in the same conversation as some
Speaker 2: of his contemporaries like Joe Montana and John Elway, guys
Speaker 2: that won rings. That position is defined by winning. Lamar
Speaker 2: Jackson will be the first to tell you that he's
Speaker 2: got two MVPs, but he's not going to be viewed
Speaker 2: as the same as, let's say, of Patrick Mahomes until
Speaker 2: he wins one. Same for Josh Allen in Buffalo. And
Speaker 2: so I can see a time and I don't think
Speaker 2: we're anywhere close to it yet. Where if you're the
Speaker 2: quarterback of the Bengal and you're putting up good seasons
Speaker 2: and you're doing everything you can to help your team win,
Speaker 2: and yet the winning isn't coming where you examine, is
Speaker 2: this where I want to stay now? The good news
Speaker 2: for Joe is it's way in the future, but he
Speaker 2: has still got an opportunity to hit free agency while
Speaker 2: he is still in at least close to his prime years.
Speaker 2: The good news for the Bengals is that's not until
Speaker 2: after the twenty twenty nine season. So I do wonder,
Speaker 2: though not so much from that perspective, what would the
Speaker 2: fallout be if Let's say the Bengals finish the season
Speaker 2: with ten losses, right which was impossible to fathom before
Speaker 2: the season started. But let's say that. Let's say they
Speaker 2: bought them out. Let's say they bought them out and
Speaker 2: finished seven and ten, which you know, let's face it
Speaker 2: is a distinct possibility. Right now, Let's say they bought
Speaker 2: him out and finished seven and ten. Let's say they
Speaker 2: finished with a losing record and they're on the outside
Speaker 2: looking in. Does everybody to just shrug their shoulders and go, well, okay,
Speaker 2: let's run it back with basically the same organization, same
Speaker 2: coaching staff, roster, or does that compel change. Here's what
Speaker 2: I would ask about Zach Taylor, and I'd be the
Speaker 2: first to acknowledge Zach Taylor's done a lot of really
Speaker 2: good things in Cincinnati. He's won five playoff games. By
Speaker 2: the standard set by the previous head coach, Zach Taylor
Speaker 2: should be in the Ring of Honor tomorrow, and I
Speaker 2: don't think he gets enough credit for the job he
Speaker 2: and the staff did on their way to the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl in twenty twenty one. But I think at any business,
Speaker 2: if you're thinking about letting someone go, you have to ask,
Speaker 2: could my competitors make me pay for this? Meaning, well,
Speaker 2: one of my competitors swoop up Zach Taylor and make
Speaker 2: me regret moving on from him. I don't think the
Speaker 2: answer is yes. I can be dead wrong about that.
Speaker 2: I don't think the answer is yes, And so I
Speaker 2: do think you could get to a point where you go, Okay,
Speaker 2: the two most important people in any organization are the
Speaker 2: quarterback and the head coach. We love our quarterback, yep,
Speaker 2: is this the right head coach to get them beyond
Speaker 2: where they've gotten? You know, they asked this in Tampa
Speaker 2: Bay twenty two years ago. Withee and John Gruden, and
Speaker 2: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers ownership at the time would certainly
Speaker 2: tell you, man, Tony Dungee did everything we ever could
Speaker 2: have asked him to do. We just don't feel like
Speaker 2: he's the guy to break through the doorstep, and so
Speaker 2: we're gonna go get somebody else. I do think those
Speaker 2: are fair questions, and I think they will only intensify
Speaker 2: if this season ends up unfolding the way we don't
Speaker 2: want it to unfold. Is this the best coach for
Speaker 2: this quarterback that we've got to win while we have him?
Speaker 2: And I think you are being completely fair if right
Speaker 2: now you say the answer is no. And I think
Speaker 2: you have to ask about Zach Taylor. Boy, if we
Speaker 2: let him go, are team's gonna push each other out
Speaker 2: of the way to hire him as head coach? And
Speaker 2: then we're gonna look back and go, man, we let
Speaker 2: a Hall of Fame coach get away. I don't think
Speaker 2: the answer to that is yes.
Speaker 1: I gotta talk to you about Moneymac. He's issued some
Speaker 1: bad checks recently, But nonetheless, as I look out as strategically,
Speaker 1: there's the draft, there's the development of players, then there's
Speaker 1: game day. The draft is completely controlled by Mike Brown
Speaker 1: and a small group of individuals who evaluate talent. The
Speaker 1: second issue is development of those players, which is on
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, especially especially the line coach for example,
Speaker 1: the backfields coach, the DC, THEOC, and then game day decisions. Recently,
Speaker 1: is it fair to say that Zach Taylor aka might
Speaker 1: add I call him Zach Shul sometimes has terrible game
Speaker 1: day decisions? Terrible game day decisions like yesterday third and one.
Speaker 1: What's wrong with the tush push? I love the Eagles,
Speaker 1: the Birds on the tush push, it's unbeatable. Why does
Speaker 1: it seem of late that Zach Taylor is making terrible
Speaker 1: game decisions that cost the Bengals victories? Why is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It feels like he outsmarts himself, Willie. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: since twenty seventeen, the quarterback sneak has worked at a
Speaker 2: success rate with one yard to go close to eighty
Speaker 2: eight percent. I do not know. Forget the tush push,
Speaker 2: which I certainly would have been okay with them employing.
Speaker 2: All you had to do is look across the field
Speaker 2: and go, God, you know what? Nick Siriani seems to
Speaker 2: rely on that when there's more than a yard to go?
Speaker 2: Could we do that? I don't know why you don't
Speaker 2: quarterback sneak there? I have no idea. It's one of
Speaker 2: the most successful plays offensively in the NFL. It's not
Speaker 2: third and four, it's not third and five. And so
Speaker 2: go through the sequence here. First of all, I think
Speaker 2: going for it was the right call. Thirty nine yard line,
Speaker 2: your defense is stopping no one, it's a yard to go.
Speaker 2: Going for it there was the right decision. So start
Speaker 2: with that. No problem with going for it. But then, well,
Speaker 2: get the play in slow So now you got to
Speaker 2: call a time out? Why like, why is that play
Speaker 2: third and one? Why doesn't that just you know, get
Speaker 2: screened into Joe Burrow's headset. Then it appears that Joe
Speaker 2: checks from what looks like is going to be a
Speaker 2: run to the right to the run to the left,
Speaker 2: which tells the defense here is what's coming. So they
Speaker 2: run right into a wall. All right, you're gonna go
Speaker 2: for it now on fourth and one. Awesome. Again, no
Speaker 2: issue with this. It drives me nuts. And it's not
Speaker 2: the first time this season that Joe on a gotta
Speaker 2: have it play. I think against New England it was
Speaker 2: fourth and two, throws a pass behind the sticks. He
Speaker 2: throws it to Jamar Chase with Cooper dejen the corner
Speaker 2: for the Philadelphia Eagles, bearing right down on him. Jamar
Speaker 2: Chase is awesome. He has no chance to make that play.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Is that Zach Taylor or is that Joe Burrow? You know,
Speaker 2: we can debate. All I know is this. The result
Speaker 2: was Eagles got the football game over. And it just
Speaker 2: it feels to me like there is a reluctance to
Speaker 2: lean into the obvious. And the obvious there for me
Speaker 2: is fourth and one quarterback sneaks are successful eighty eight
Speaker 2: percent of the time, which tells me if you try
Speaker 2: it twice, you're gonna be successful once. Why they refuse
Speaker 2: to do that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. And it's
Speaker 2: not the first time this year where I have felt
Speaker 2: like Zach sort of out smart out smarted himself, and
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, maybe to a degree, out smarted himself as well.
Speaker 1: Money Mac has issued some bad checks recently. The young
Speaker 1: kid had at one point a game or two ago,
Speaker 1: the announcer said, well, he's eleven for eleven and the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter overtime and all of a sudden shank and
Speaker 1: that was a bad That was a was The snap
Speaker 1: was fine, but they'll hold wasn't the best. Now, Money
Speaker 1: Mac has issued some bad checks recently.
Speaker 2: Why, Well, his first two seasons from fifty yards or beyond,
Speaker 2: he was sixteen of eighteen and then includes the postseason
Speaker 2: sixteen of eighteen. Pretty good right from beyond, from beyond
Speaker 2: fifty yards, So you'll take that right. You understand it's
Speaker 2: not an automatic kick, but you know, all right, he's
Speaker 2: he's got to make the kicks from distance, sixteen of eighteen,
Speaker 2: and as we talk about this, I'm double checking that
Speaker 2: because I want to make sure I have that right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was sixteen. I'm sorry, he was actually seventeen of nineteen.
Speaker 2: Pretty good from fifty and beyond.
Speaker 1: Not bad.
Speaker 2: That's why he's moneymack.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I obviously made some of those in clutched situations. But
Speaker 2: the reason why the Bengals used the draft choice on him,
Speaker 2: and the reason why he has looked at as such
Speaker 2: a weapon, is because you could use him from distance.
Speaker 2: Since the start of last year, he's ten for eighteen,
Speaker 2: including yesterday missing the fifty four yarder. What makes Evan
Speaker 2: McPherson special is his ability to make those kicks. In
Speaker 2: the absence of that, he's just an average kicker. That
Speaker 2: sounds harsh, but NFL kickers are supposed to be close
Speaker 2: to automatic from fifty and in and again. You allow
Speaker 2: for the occasional you know, mishit. You allow for the
Speaker 2: occasional pat miss. But by and large, an average NFL
Speaker 2: kicker makes an insane percentage of kicks from forty nine
Speaker 2: and in. Well. Evan McPherson is good at that. What
Speaker 2: is supposed to make him a weapon, and one of
Speaker 2: the reasons why the Bengals gave him a contract extension
Speaker 2: that they did is this dude can make the kicks
Speaker 2: that other guys can. Well. Since the beginning of last year,
Speaker 2: he hasn't been able to do that. So fine, you
Speaker 2: might rely on him if it's a forty three yard
Speaker 2: field goal and the game is on the line. But
Speaker 2: what makes him special, what's supposed to make him special,
Speaker 2: is he's good from long range. Since the beginning of
Speaker 2: last year, he hasn't been well.
Speaker 1: Each team had five possessions in the second half. The
Speaker 1: Bengals scored on one, the Eagles scored on five for five,
Speaker 1: and if there were six, it would have been six
Speaker 1: for six. There's no stopping the Eagles on offense. The
Speaker 1: Bengals rushing game is non existent and their ability will
Speaker 1: stop I'll give you give me a fact, I'll give
Speaker 1: you a stat.
Speaker 2: Give you a stat the second half, yes in the
Speaker 2: second half yesterday, the Philadelphia Eagles average point eight two
Speaker 2: points per play, point eight two. That's twenty seven points
Speaker 2: on thirty three plays. The NFL leader in that stat
Speaker 2: is the Detroit Lions at point five to four. So
Speaker 2: think about that, Oh, point eight two points per play
Speaker 2: by the Philadelphia Eagles in the second half. The NFL
Speaker 2: lead is point five four. That tells you, first of all,
Speaker 2: at times, how good Philadelphia's field position was, and two
Speaker 2: how good their their their offensive efficiency was. And let's
Speaker 2: not let's not let the Bengals defense off the hook.
Speaker 2: You know, we talked about him in the pregame show yesterday.
Speaker 2: From the Holy Grail. Trey Hendrickson had an opportunity against
Speaker 2: a backup left tackle by the name of Fred Johnson
Speaker 2: who used to play here. He had an opportunity to dominate.
Speaker 2: He didn't. He got dominated Bengals up front, no sacks.
Speaker 2: Joseph Osai had just one quarterback hit. Saquon Barkley didn't
Speaker 2: put up an enormous number, but pretty much did whatever
Speaker 2: he wanted. They beat him deep on the Devonte Smith
Speaker 2: passed down field, there's not a Trey Hendrickson is awesome,
Speaker 2: and I think he's he represents one of the greatest
Speaker 2: free agent signings in Bengals history. Beyond that, who do
Speaker 2: they have that If you're an opposing offensive coordinator, you say, boy,
Speaker 2: this guy can just wreck everything we're trying to do.
Speaker 2: And and not not just against bad teams either, but
Speaker 2: if you're if you're you know, the offensive coordinator or
Speaker 2: the the Baltimore Ravens, Todd Makin, if you're you know,
Speaker 2: thinking later on down the road. The Pittsburgh Steelers are
Speaker 2: playing better offensively. They certainly look good last week with
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson all right, who on the Cincinnati defense can
Speaker 2: take us out of what we're trying to do in
Speaker 2: the game. I don't think there's anybody in the secondary.
Speaker 2: There hasn't been since Jesse Bates. I don't think there's
Speaker 2: anybody among the linebackers. And beyond Trey Hendrickson, I think
Speaker 2: they have a good unit up front collectively, but who individually?
Speaker 2: If Trey Hendrickson gets taken out of the game, who
Speaker 2: else can step up? And the answer yesterday was no one.
Speaker 1: Well, this is Halloween week, we have mindless zombies with
Speaker 1: their eyes rolled back on their head and their arms
Speaker 1: extended forward, stalking around.
Speaker 2: What do you do on Halloween? What are your what
Speaker 2: do you give the kids?
Speaker 1: There? And the kid turn off the shut the door,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna like it.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not participating.
Speaker 2: Every Well, that's that's that's bes because everybody knows your home.
Speaker 2: It's not like you go anywhere.
Speaker 1: I don't go, So everybody knows your home. Give just
Speaker 1: I have not. I have nothing.
Speaker 2: No, and I of prov ones, I have.
Speaker 1: A buy those. But no, I'm giving you nothing and
Speaker 1: they'll like it. They don't like what I give them.
Speaker 1: That's what. I give nothing, and I expect nothing. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be in my basement, way low into the storage area,
Speaker 1: up on a shelf.
Speaker 2: Once you got how many of this prov once you got.
Speaker 1: Laying around several dozens, maybe ten dozens, something like that.
Speaker 2: It's not you only play one chorus. It's not like
Speaker 2: you lose. That's fine.
Speaker 1: I got balls.
Speaker 2: I'll take some of those.
Speaker 1: You want to sleeve the balls, Yeah, I'll give you
Speaker 1: a sleeve. Next time. I say, I'll give you a sleep.
Speaker 1: We've only gotten. I'm not giving candy that's going to
Speaker 1: rot their teeth and cause diabetes later in life. I'm
Speaker 1: not doing that.
Speaker 2: What if what if somebody dresses up like Trump or
Speaker 2: somebody for Halloween? You'll give them candy, right.
Speaker 1: I'll give them a dozen balls. I'll give them a
Speaker 1: dozen heavy ones. Jd Vance comes. He's getting a dozen
Speaker 1: balls because Trump has plenty of those. All right, Mogar,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 2: I just want I just want some prov ones. You
Speaker 2: got it, Willie.
Speaker 1: I'll give you a sleeve. All right, thank you. Let's
Speaker 1: continue more. You gotta keep hope alive, is all I say.
Speaker 1: Keep hope a lot, because all we have is hope.
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