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Speaker 1: Hi every one, and how are you guys? Good morning,

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Thank you for making here kind of first day on

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the last day, I'm fax.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate everyone coming out of right someday.

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Speaker 2: To see us.

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Speaker 3: We have a good crowd.

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Speaker 4: Loved it.

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Speaker 1: How many of you guys have seen with other roles?

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I hope okay, god like because you will say, gonna

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spoil all the head out of it. So I'm not

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everybody you're up to day in cause you're wondering.

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Speaker 4: Guess you are addressed as little jackets, Missy Panama queen.

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Speaker 5: I'm a random.

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Speaker 4: Player fighting for her life, you know, and homage to

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the wilderness.

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Speaker 1: But anyhow, so we are off part psychology.

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Speaker 4: We are a podcast and we are local to Chicago.

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We have been doing this since twenty eighteen. We are

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a three licensed therapists. My name's Frankie, Missus Hannah, why

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yours friend. Yeah, we're all LIFs is clinical professional counselors

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in the state of Illinois.

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Speaker 1: So we don't just talk about this stuff.

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Speaker 4: We actually see clients all the time and we like

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talking about movies as a way that to teach mental health,

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Like you.

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Speaker 1: Know, it's woin full of sugar. Helps about a single guy.

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So it's a way to teach people about mental health.

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Is about being too.

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Speaker 4: Academic, too boring, and also doesn't cause anyone knows if

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you're a licensed therapist, are not just be talking about

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real people and then diagnosing haadness you don't work with them.

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So we talk about fictional characters exclusively, and if you

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like when you're here today, we actually just did a

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full blown, like two hour episode on Vunderaboles, So if

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you want the full full version of this why we're

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in here today, you can find it there. So we're

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gonna keep it somewhat dense for say four five minutes.

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We are three diligent gappers, so we're gonna do our best.

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And yeah, so we wanted to do Vunderbolts as well

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because it's a movie that I wasn't expecting to feel

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so impressed with as a therapist. I don't know if

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you guys all of the way as well, And it's

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a movie that I feel like Cancel's mental health with

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a lot of grace, a lot of as much as

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accurate as you can get when trooper powers aren't halved,

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and it's.

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Speaker 1: A lot of compassion.

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Speaker 4: So and also a first job I wanna give a

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trigger warning is we're gonna be talking about trauma, We're

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gonna be talking about KSD or if you're talking about

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all those kind of things.

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Speaker 1: So that's a delican subject. Pop will not feel any

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kind of way if you have to the most.

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Speaker 4: So I guess you could kick off with what does

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this movie get so right about mental health?

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Speaker 3: What did we see in it?

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Speaker 1: Right on the jump where we're like we need to

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talk about this movie and needing to drive them to

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see a first secon's not enough to solve it exactly.

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Speaker 2: I feel like one of the things I noticed right

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away was the way that Yolena was even dressed in

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the beginning of the film, Right, She's not dressed in

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her leathered up outfit. She's in sweatpants, like playing at

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a sweatshirt, and she's still doing her job, but you

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can tell that she's lost her purpose. And that's a

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really good way to show somebody who's not even willing

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to show up the way they usually do for their job.

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Speaker 4: And it was a really funny display of someone in

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or assassinating assassinating assassination, Yeah, is their job, and yet

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how are they phoning in how are they showing up

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to the office their office?

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Speaker 1: Hell of the press?

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Speaker 4: Did that got pants? Going through the motions or what

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they're doing. Even though it is like a high stress environment,

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which is actually something you can see when.

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Speaker 1: People are brunt out. Even when they do high stress jobs.

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Speaker 4: And experience that depression, they can be weirdly common and chill,

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even if groom around them's.

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Speaker 1: Kind of freaking out. And how they stipulity.

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Speaker 3: Did you see you?

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Speaker 6: In her monologue right away, she's narrating depression. Whoever wrote

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that either consulting with some professionals or hads dealt with

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it theirself. But do you see a lot of very.

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Speaker 3: Clear I mean, yeah, I'm here doing a thing. I

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guess it's gonna happen to right died today. That's faring man.

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I don't even care to say then.

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Speaker 6: I'll beg ns okay, all right, now, you're gonna do

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the thing you're gonna.

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Speaker 3: Oh you well, okay, y'all.

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Speaker 7: Stomach, very flat affect, very moneton, very grosse m just

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down close self esteem moment for her right in the beginning.

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Speaker 8: And the pink Lave.

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Speaker 4: It's also a good characterization of someone who went through

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childhood trauma, and not just childhood trauma in the US,

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but also the kind where she's not supposed to.

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Speaker 1: Be your own person.

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Speaker 4: But even though that's not in an extreme way with

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like the Red Room and then you're used to child

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assassin obviously pretty intense states. I think you could also

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see her presentation kind of similar to like bombs to

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talk about where you're not supposed to develop into your

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own person. That's a kind of a I don't know

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if I wanna say, it's like a not so well

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discus best consequence or side effect or symptom of being

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of us solt by a frontal figure not having a

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safe space at home as one when you don't feel

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visically safe, you don't have the room as a kid

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to play around and like figure out who am I,

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what do I like?

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Speaker 1: What do I like to do in my free time?

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like to watch on TV?

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Speaker 4: With someone like Elida when she says that monologue later

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like I just go home and I stare at my

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phone and I don't know whoy and I drink and

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I more and I go home as much as that's

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obviously her and shut down of her trauma. I think

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you could also argue that that is the consequence of

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being raised to not be your own person. Obviously, there's,

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like I said, the vata layer of mogration to make

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her like a little feeling.

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Speaker 1: Or not feeling machine. But I think with her it

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does still show that.

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Speaker 4: You don't have the space to become your own person,

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which I think we see in Bob two, you know

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what I mean, he doesn't know who he is either

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as an adults.

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Speaker 1: Which is a pot I done, not being able to

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become his own person's kid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you have to be an adult right away.

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her being drugged and black widow like she doesn't have

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a chance to explore about I think that's what Brittany

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is talking about. There's no there's no root for that.

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You're trying to survive and that's all you're trying to do.

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That's all you have the energy forward.

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Speaker 8: That's all that you can do.

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Speaker 2: Like I feel like the other part with Yelena that

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Speaker 1: Good, Appreciate it. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a better way to say appreciate it. Is

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also how vulnerable she is.

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Speaker 2: She's one of the she's one of the characters that

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is comfortable being vulnerable, and I think that in some

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ways that's a younger part of herself. But when she

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yells at Alexei about you weren't here, why didn't you come.

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Speaker 1: And see me? I've been sad for a year.

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Speaker 8: And even when we see her go through her rooms, uh,

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when they're doing the when they have to go through

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the different parts.

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Speaker 2: Of themselves, and we see her see herself leaning up

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against the tub and she's just blackout, drown and it's like,

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this is someone who when she says in her speech

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to Alexei, I've lost my purpose, I.

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Speaker 8: Don't know what I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know where.

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Speaker 8: I'm going, like, and you weren't there for me, and

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I really need you to be there for me.

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Speaker 2: And I really thought that that was a really honest

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but very vulnerable way to show her character kind of

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shifting and changing, but also knowing that she needs help,

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she needs something, she needs someone else.

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Speaker 3: I agree with all those points. I think for me

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and the personal moment in stood out was when.

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Speaker 7: Bob touched Lena for the first time when the vault

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and you see her flashback into that moment of the

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little girl whatever she was setting on.

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Speaker 3: Moments like that, what's traumatic moments.

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Speaker 7: Glut in people's subconscious in their mind constantly, over and

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over and over and over.

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Speaker 3: It's the same thing.

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Speaker 7: And you see her as they build upon that scene

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where she's trying to change it, trying to do things differently,

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and no matter what she does, it plays off.

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Speaker 3: The same way each time, she just loses more once

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a void sets it.

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Speaker 7: That's what ultimately ends up happening with people who have

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something that they feel ashamed and deeply guilty of, some

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Speaker 3: And did something that they were ordered to do. There's

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a guilt that.

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Speaker 7: Sits on people. You see it in veterans in particular

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a lot, but all of us have done things we're

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ashamed of and guilty about that who wish you could

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take back. But it becomes this defining moment when you

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don't have a secure, strong sense of self to lean into,

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or a sense of who you can growing too excite that,

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but Chlena does not until she develops this idea to

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help up the people of life.

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Speaker 3: Lena has stuck prior to that point in realizing I can.

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Speaker 7: Never be fixed, which that's in this horrible sense of

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depression and shame that I don't deserve to be happy

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Speaker 3: Extra layer of complications.

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Speaker 4: And and then what's also heartbreaking is that the person

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she wants to go to for how is obviously a

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like city cause it's the supposest thing she has to

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a parent, to a family now at this point, and

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he's just as lost as she is. He's also in

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a very similar bucket where he doesn't know who he is.

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He was encouraged transformed into a symbol of new people.

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All his validation's external, So to go to someone like him,

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it's kind of like, I don't know, it's sort of

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like inter generational trauma, Like you try to look up

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the family tree for an answer, but they might not

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have one because they didn't.

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Speaker 1: Get the you know, those skills either, And so then

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you kind of feel either.

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Speaker 4: Stuck together or kind of like she does, where you

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Speaker 1: Like why can't you give me what I need, and

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he kind of says like his.

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Speaker 4: Self esteem is so so almost warm, his self esteem

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is so bad that he's like, I didn't even think

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you would want to talk to me. And so we're

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just we're at an impasse or we can't help each

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other's feel better. Cause even in that conversation at the beginning,

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he's still also trying.

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Speaker 1: To get that need bet and he's like, give me

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on your team. Gives ound like over, I wanna be

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out there doing it. I got my limos service.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's the moment where you can see

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that he's just a person too, the way that I

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think sometimes you have to realize your parent is just

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a person as well, and a person that, oh, well

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disappoint you.

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Speaker 1: They are not gonna have the things that you need.

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You have to find them on side of yourself.

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Speaker 4: And and also I think we see the movie that

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she can't get to a place where she can have

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it with him until she can somewhat accept it.

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Speaker 1: That's why at the end when he's being that like.

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Speaker 4: Trashy dad with a jumpsuit and the avenged with the ze,

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of the tower doing his merch or whatever, and she's like,

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do your thing. I don't need you and you do

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not be this person for me to be a good leader,

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a competent person, to figure out who lie in and

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to have one with me.

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Speaker 8: Now I know someone.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys are all wanting us to talk about.

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As about is Bob. I think Bob will really take

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if anyone has questions, you can either raise your hand

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and shout come at us. There's also a microphone as

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it would vary bad so you can also venture back

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Speaker 1: Moment, but you can also just coom a hand. So

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what do we think about with Bob? He's the central piece.

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villain the movie. Would you guy agree with that?

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bring in my ear and you were joking and you know.

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real enemy.

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Speaker 7: Of the movie, real want of the movie, and I

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think that's makes super clear for us that Bob having

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miaular disord is.

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Speaker 3: The real villain of the film.

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Speaker 7: Bob's instability. Bob presents and kind of warns the characters

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like no, no, it's it's it's better off that I

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just you know, don't because they're seeing his conditioning of

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what he learned to do to be safe from an

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abusive father, which was not engaged.

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Speaker 3: He wanted to be the hero. He wanted to do something.

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He wanted to protect his mom, but every time he did,

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he got punished for me.

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Speaker 8: So what do you wanted to be the hero?

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Speaker 7: He wanted to be the hero, which means he's got

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two separate parts of him that form to survive, that

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part that couldn't do anything, it couldn't win, and the

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part of him that well as a hero. And you

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see both sides of it with Century and Boyd and

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show up. And it's something that happens to all of us.

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you have the solution, but you're restricted from using it.

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Speaker 3: It stays inside of you.

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Speaker 7: That part stays unused, activated, but no way to complete itself.

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if you get sad about something, you cry. If somebody

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makes you mad, you tell them about it and you

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reach a solution ideally, but Bob never gets to do that.

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Speaker 3: So Boyd and Century exists inside.

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Speaker 7: Of him is two separate, unactualized parts, where then Bob

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is the manager of the two and seeing him have

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to struggle with that as each become unrestricted.

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Speaker 3: As Century becomes unrestricted, he realizes he, for one, can.

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Speaker 7: Do anything and even the person who gives a power

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of the minute he sniffs out Valentina, he tries to

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snap her neck, right, that's not how heroes behave.

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Speaker 3: But also if she's a villain, I guess complicated for him.

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Speaker 1: And something we make sure to talk about in more

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depth in the full podcast episode is that Bob is.

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Speaker 4: Someone too that even like diagnostically, you would need to

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work with you for a while as a therapist.

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Speaker 1: Do you even get a sense of what's go Bob like,

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but lows, but he also has a lot of trauma.

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loses time in these moments when a part of him,

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just the century comes to the front.

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Speaker 1: And then also he's someone that stuff things.

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his presentation, his mood swings to.

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Speaker 1: Their ability is.

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much of that's tied up and substance use too, Like

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he's someone that if we worked with him, we want

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him if he can, if he's ready to be even

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like sober for a while before we can even get

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a good sense of what are his symptoms, how much

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are they connected to doing something? I mean that there's

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no drugs obviously that's a drug that we would have

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to dure. How much that is adding to how he's

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doing and how he's feeling. Because with someone like Bob two,

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they've been suffering and having stuff going on for so

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long that it also becomes that thing of like who

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am I outside of my trauma?

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Speaker 1: Like do I even know who I am?

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Speaker 4: Because all this stuff started so young, similar to and

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yelling up and the important.

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of substance use becomes a really big proponent because when

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Speaker 3: Better, and because they.

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Speaker 7: Deal with elation as the whole people are opposite of depression,

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that becomes their defining understanding of happiness. And anything less

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than that does he feel right, particularly not when you're depressed.

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Speaker 3: So if this becomes your.

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Speaker 7: Standards to feel you good, it makes sense that as

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soon as he gets depressed, he's going to start seeking

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oppers like men, because he's looking for that related feeling.

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seek downers because they're trying to find this balance.

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Speaker 3: But bipolar two poles, right, it's really really challenging, especially

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once people are off their.

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elation that it creates this.

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Speaker 3: Constant struggle, so they start seeking substances to match. And

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it may or may not take your meditation to you.

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Speaker 1: So if you're out about that.

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Speaker 8: Mm of every thinking about phone as well as feeling,

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as long, can you speak of just a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I knew find go ahead, I knew

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Speaker 9: Whole figure of recommodation. How did I feel a least

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someone makes that pe embarrassing with the inside altitude moving,

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on that. It's so like that see like whom.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's still villain and you show a little like

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Kee has this? How if someone who also had a

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better any villain? Oh for sure?

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Speaker 4: And I think that's why, like we try to be

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very clear, especially more in they send an episode that

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who we're guessing kids by polar he can they kind

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of give him like mental health suit, which they do

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a lot of movies where they're kind of picking and

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choosing the most significant or sexist or like intense symptoms

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of a of a grab back of mental health stuff

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just in slat.

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Speaker 1: Mental health or psychology on it. So you're right, and

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that's his version of bipolar.

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Speaker 4: How much does he even have? How much of it

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moved attached to others off as well? And I would

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argue that Valentine now is the real villain of this

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movie h and that she exacerbates him and takes advantage

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of him re traumatizes him and that's what really pushes

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everything to the next level.

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Speaker 1: And I think something, well, how I'm sure.

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appreciate it kind of coming from the middle of ize

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and mental health. But at the end I was really

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worried when he was punching, he was ground and pounding

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that part of him that I was like, this can't

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be how it ends punching yourself into submission and.

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Speaker 1: Like being like hum you know as true.

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Speaker 4: And so the fact that they went at it was

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love actually and pulled that away and kind of showed

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that if you are becoming like fighting fire with fire

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with like the most adro protectives reactive parts of yourself, like,

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that's not actually what feeling looks like, and that's not

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what strength looks like. It is loving that part of

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yourself because that is you, and that part of you

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is trying to help you out.

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Speaker 1: It's intentions are good.

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Speaker 4: I like to joke in therapy if it's not clients,

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it's like that friend that picks it has your back

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all the time by.

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Speaker 1: Fighting and you're like, don't, don't, don't start it.

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Speaker 4: Now, I'm more stressed out about you fighting what's first

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on the street than the thing in itself.

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Speaker 1: Your intentions are good, your delivery is not helping.

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Speaker 9: I tell you out of an after that as you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know what you're saying, and honestly, associating during

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that time period is actually pretty.

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Speaker 2: Accurate to me and would and would almost be a

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natural response to you know, a lot of times, especially

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as kids, we have to.

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Speaker 8: Be in this veil or going at it.

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Speaker 2: As kids, we don't have a lot of options in

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terms of what can we do when someone is being

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hurt or we're going to be hurt. Right, So a

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lot of times, two of the things that happened that

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I see when I work with clients who have a

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lot of childhood trauma.

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Speaker 8: Is I lost my train of thought buck associating that.

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Speaker 2: They either fawn, which means you you have to agree

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to whatever is happening.

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Speaker 8: Because you don't have a choice.

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Speaker 2: A little kid can't really leave, a little kid can't fight,

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a little kid can't They sometimes freeze.

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Speaker 8: It's freeze and fond is what I see a lot

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with people.

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Speaker 2: And so I think it's really accurate that Bob, because

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that was all traumatic, Like that whole experience for him

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is traumatic. I think it makes a lot of sense

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that that's where his body went. You know, A big

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part of a big part of trauma is that we

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hold it in our bodies, and Bob definitely is holding.

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Speaker 3: In his body, right.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's really when I talk to clients

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about different parts of themselves and we talk about how

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kind of what Bertie was talking about, But I all

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the different parts play different roles that come from different.

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Speaker 8: Ages a lot of the time.

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Speaker 2: So I really feel like Bob was in his maybe

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like a really really young part when we mis dissociating.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I get where see'l sciritating, like that

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character growth is lost or where it's masterful writing.

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Speaker 3: He gives us just the every's slightest clue.

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Speaker 7: That he knows that if I let this guy back out,

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I can't contain So the only option I have is.

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Speaker 3: This muted safe mode version, which is his only identity

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right now. He's like, I can help you guys by

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like cleaning, but at the NBA, the superhero who's that

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ends a god because I can't contain the other guy.

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Speaker 7: So realizing the right contains just as ever slight about clues,

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then give it a rewatch, and it might not resonate

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the same way.

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Speaker 8: Render what what happened to the.

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Speaker 3: He's pretty so much? And I didn't no shuting backgun.

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But Bob hasn't dealt with his yuilt yet. So all

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the stuff that he did, all the trauma he radiated

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out upon New.

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Speaker 7: York City, he's got a lot of guilt. And they

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of her the questions, they're really great.

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Speaker 3: That's like they have one ar But thank you so.

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Speaker 8: Much, coul.

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Speaker 1: Then doing well, why I and I think that we're

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the top of the laws.

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Speaker 5: So you know, alas are sort of our cultivates some pression.

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Speaker 3: Does it serve?

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Speaker 1: Doesn't confer to know about what it is? How person your.

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Speaker 4: Shoes?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Like the idea of like the punching himself the band

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tip thing, Yes, yeah, I think it's a I mean

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it's a great.

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Speaker 1: I think it is a great, like challenging he's a

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plot for all the people who do still, which I

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get why they do it.

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Speaker 4: Still believe that the best course to dealing with anything

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Speaker 1: It, to submit, like to make it submit to you.

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Speaker 4: This idea of like shoving, shoving down how you feel

478
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and like I can just conquer these bad hearts of me,

479
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because it does one of two things right. It continues

480
00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:02,359
to put perractuate the idea that there are parts of

481
00:24:02,519 --> 00:24:08,279
me that are bad and that deserve to be treated

482
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,759
the way that maybe my dad and his situation treated him.

483
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Speaker 1: So one is to recreated this idea that the.

484
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Speaker 4: Appropriate healthy clothing response is violence, is aggression towards ourselves

485
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without other people, and which makes sense if you're at.

486
00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: A parent, then also do that to you.

487
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Speaker 4: And so that is the solution, and it's it's it

488
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keeps you stuck in a cycle, and it keeps you

489
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,480
hating yourself, like you can't hate yourself well and you

490
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,480
can't white numple yourself well too, And I think that

491
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version of.

492
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Speaker 1: It is very true.

493
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Speaker 4: And what we do see instead, which is real strength,

494
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is vulnerability, y'all.

495
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Speaker 1: Being vulnerable is very strong and allowing people to.

496
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Speaker 4: Witness your vulnerability as well, which is what this movie does.

497
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Is even with the question you're saying earlier about him

498
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like losing that time and that growth, is that he

499
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,599
did all this in front of his friends though his

500
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support system now so they can talk to him later about, Hey,

501
00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:10,640
so this is what we saw and this is what

502
00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:13,759
we noticed, and so they can help him recount that

503
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,599
time that his loss in a I assume a pretty

504
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,880
constructive way, cause we haven't talked about me and Buddy

505
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:25,039
and Elena are both good mirrors too, Bob about you know,

506
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,359
we have really bad pass We've done really bad things

507
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when we weren't in control of ourselves.

508
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Speaker 1: And how do we as a group.

509
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Speaker 4: All of that sympathy for each other and having that

510
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,359
anthy count seven fifty versus too?

511
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Speaker 2: And I feel like another another part of all of

512
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:49,759
this with Bob is that I keep closing my train

513
00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:52,160
of thought. I'm famous for that, uh on the podcast,

514
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,240
something I'd never remember. So something else about trauma in

515
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,559
general is that you have to go through the trauma.

516
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Speaker 8: There's only way. There's only one way through, and it is.

517
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Speaker 4: Through, and.

518
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 8: That's an It's there, it's in there.

519
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 3: No matters. No, I don't know who's going from babies.

520
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:22,759
Speaker 4: I don't know.

521
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

522
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Speaker 3: I think the scenes we're.

523
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Speaker 7: Talking about what we see Avengers to where they're teaching

524
00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:30,039
each other ultivation is really similar to if you saw

525
00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:32,079
at the end have been said out too, where they

526
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,359
learned that anxiety is a part of the system. Anxiety

527
00:26:35,519 --> 00:26:38,880
has a function, but we have to keep it in

528
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:42,279
a box. Anxiety is the space that exists between the

529
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perception of the threat and the resolution of it.

530
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Speaker 3: If you don't resolve the threat, you don't stop being anxious.

531
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That's what it's for. Same with our fight part, same

532
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,480
with our fond part. So the idea of you can.

533
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Speaker 7: Suppress and beat down one of these parts was a

534
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,839
part of you if you were born with this part

535
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,640
of your survival system is not true. And then showing

536
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:10,200
Bob becoming shadowed just like Boyd was a really another

537
00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:14,119
masterpiece of filmmaking. Really showing hold on Bunkie's like this

538
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,319
doesn't feel right, this isn't right good, I would stop this.

539
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 3: And then that's sort of the must.

540
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 7: Have read the poem about you cannot cast out darkness

541
00:27:24,519 --> 00:27:27,759
with darkness, only light to do that. That is clearly inspiration,

542
00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:30,200
at least in my mind, to this movie is showing

543
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:34,720
you can't just crush your fight part. You're fighting, that's

544
00:27:34,759 --> 00:27:38,160
what it wants. It wants you to submit and become

545
00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:41,440
the part that has limited function because that's the only

546
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,160
lens through which it sees the world. Your fight part

547
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,119
thinks it's a great idea to punch a person in

548
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,960
the face who's making you really angry.

549
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: What our other self parts come in and regulate us

550
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:55,440
and go like, hold, that's a bad idea for all

551
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:56,000
these reasons.

552
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Speaker 7: If you go like good, good, good, point good point,

553
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,319
super eight up should not one that person the base

554
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,400
of the grocery store about us in mine not paying

555
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,319
attention on their phone.

556
00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 3: That's inappropriate, got it? We go to jails.

557
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:16,319
Speaker 1: Well on top of it or Arbor movies and usual.

558
00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 7: Boss l oh that I cannot read, o Pa, I'm

559
00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:27,039
so sorry, but the announcement, it's just that you would

560
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beat loveless.

561
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,559
Speaker 1: How does we send a challenge of traditional super work

562
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,440
here and stay present a more realistic one?

563
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: Oh beautifully, how perfectly having bomb couldus be sitting.

564
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:43,799
Speaker 4: In a corner reading a book, even like drinking a

565
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,720
frappuccino is I was so impressed by that and things

566
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,519
because that you're right, that is so a typical.

567
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: We usually see that. He's like fine, yeah, like.

568
00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:58,279
Speaker 4: You just find out and you can be a superhero

569
00:28:58,519 --> 00:29:01,839
and nothing's wrong. And and I think in an earlier

570
00:29:02,319 --> 00:29:04,920
movie in a simpler action movie.

571
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Speaker 1: That is what happened it.

572
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,359
Speaker 4: They feel very nomal that he is not only not

573
00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:15,119
part of really the fighting right now, that there isn't

574
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,440
really a guarantee when and if he will be. And

575
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:21,880
I also love how Bucky and Elana are life. He's fine,

576
00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:24,240
he's fine in the corner and leave him alone. I

577
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:27,279
feel like Bob a most feels like they're there chance

578
00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:30,880
to do it differently. Yeah, with someone like kind of

579
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,960
younger and more vulnerable than them to help somebody through

580
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:34,720
it in the same way.

581
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been knowing that's when Maybe that's when they wanted,

582
00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:40,279
right And that's the thing that I forgot, which is

583
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,240
not only do we need to go through the trauma,

584
00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:43,920
but we also a lot we need a witness.

585
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 8: We need somebody to witness that so they can validate

586
00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:48,000
our experience.

587
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:50,039
Speaker 1: And that's something that Bob will.

588
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 8: Get with Laina and Bucky.

589
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 4: For sure, what do you do?

590
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,759
Speaker 1: But you've been the earlier if you heard the maybe

591
00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:08,200
remember around are you put your little how.

592
00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:11,519
Speaker 4: The arms of you know?

593
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: Its like that?

594
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:17,039
Speaker 4: And there.

595
00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:22,359
Speaker 2: Sure I think that I probably watched Iron Man three,

596
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,480
the Sooners side of all of these people sitting next

597
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:28,240
to me, I really feel like they didn't. They did

598
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:32,440
a good job showing his physical response of anxiety. I

599
00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:35,920
think the difference though, is that he is able. He's

600
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:37,680
just kind of fine by the end of the movie.

601
00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:40,599
And people do go through a period of time to

602
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,119
see somebody who's experiencing panic attacks. Then we have a

603
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,359
period of time where we're figuring out what helps with

604
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,960
panic attacks, and that could take a little while because

605
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,119
it's about grounding, and it's about finding what grounds you

606
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,640
and though, and there's so many different ways to do grounding,

607
00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:56,240
Like if you look it up on the internet, it's

608
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,839
like a thousand different options for that.

609
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:03,759
Speaker 8: What I think is really for people to have coping

610
00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:06,440
skills that they can use without needing anything.

611
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: Else for panic attacks.

612
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 8: And so I really feel like they did it.

613
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Speaker 2: They did an okay job in terms of what his

614
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,640
body felt like, but in terms that the mental processes

615
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:17,000
that have.

616
00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:20,039
Speaker 8: To take place, yeah, they they should have been And

617
00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:21,119
I would also say.

618
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 4: To that movie about like Marvels first step into really

619
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:30,240
trying to talk about the real world's psychological consequences of

620
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:34,119
the movies they're in, Whereas now I think that's such

621
00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:37,200
more of a moving part of mainstream culture that it

622
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,880
would feel kind of wild now to have movies like

623
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,640
this where it's not part of it at all.

624
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: So I think also where I think.

625
00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:46,839
Speaker 4: About movies and slack is that this wouldn't kind of

626
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,359
be like maybe believe we've had a little psychology to

627
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,079
spice it up and he knew we.

628
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: I mean that time when our podcast is.

629
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 4: Not a lot of ways is how movies will try

630
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:59,440
to do that, but then they will do too much

631
00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:02,680
charity what they want to work for the story, or

632
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:06,039
they just get it like dead and then rama they

633
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:06,480
want their.

634
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,039
Speaker 1: Cookies for, like saying anything about mental health.

635
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:11,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.

636
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,279
Speaker 7: I think iron Man three really almost got there, but

637
00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:19,839
then they started figuring out much much more bicivil woods where.

638
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 3: They had Tony going through his VR scene where society

639
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:25,440
of course the thing he used is to demonstrate it.

640
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 7: How could it not be his childhood drama of or

641
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,759
beating the scene He wishes he could have done something

642
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:33,920
different than you. There are therapies that help you do

643
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,640
exactly that, psychodrama being one of them, as well as

644
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,079
a narrative therapy even some work in the ADR where

645
00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:43,920
you can help people work through those moments where they

646
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,480
wish they would have done something different, but it has

647
00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:49,720
to come with the caveat of remember your approaching your

648
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:52,279
past self with your present knowledge, and that's not fair

649
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,480
to where you were then. You did not have then

650
00:32:56,079 --> 00:32:58,839
the knowledge of how it could go. You were trying

651
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,039
to survive and doing the best you could. It is

652
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,000
okay to wish it had gone differently, and even to

653
00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:08,279
play it out as if it had, but you also

654
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,279
must do that with a random acceptance that I couldn't

655
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:13,319
do that then, but I learned from.

656
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,359
Speaker 3: It so that I can use that to be something else.

657
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:27,839
Speaker 4: Now are you thinking of your Okay, I'm wondering, so

658
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:32,799
like to show Bucky goes to a therapist.

659
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: You kind of response to the like to me, I

660
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,960
don't know if you like that. When you think about

661
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:42,440
vendoring there present of like if you can do with people?

662
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:45,279
Do you think you do mean to not being instagrams.

663
00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:52,759
Speaker 2: I think that Bob and Bucky need two very different therapists.

664
00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:56,440
The therapist that we see and felt in a Winter

665
00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:58,960
Soldier that is what Bucky needs.

666
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 8: I know a lot of people had a.

667
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,759
Speaker 2: Lot of feelings about the way that she was represented,

668
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,440
but he really needed somebody who's been in the shit

669
00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:10,440
and knows what the shit is, and it's gonna push

670
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:10,679
you on.

671
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, it's gonna push you. It's gonna be.

672
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,159
Speaker 2: Able to push you a little bit in terms of

673
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,960
I lots between the pot well challenging Hilary and he's

674
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:22,239
coming in with people in his place are coming into

675
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,800
therapy because they're being made to go to therapy.

676
00:34:26,599 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 1: You do need a little bit of.

677
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,079
Speaker 4: That pushing through the resistance, acknowledging the attitude.

678
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,039
Speaker 1: Like I used to work a lot with teenagers who

679
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:36,079
didn't wanna be in my office.

680
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 4: And so he kind of had to have a similar

681
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:39,800
or not she's a little meaner. But also I think

682
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,800
it's hard for me with about the therapist things. If

683
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,239
I love money so much that I just wanted him

684
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,960
to be held like a delicate flower baby by someone.

685
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh man, this is my whole way

686
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,719
New world lucky. But now, Bob, I need someone with

687
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,519
a lot of unconditional positive regard, a lot of softness,

688
00:34:56,679 --> 00:35:01,079
a lot of positivity, and like po of approbations.

689
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,079
Speaker 4: He feels like a client who would be always apologizing

690
00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:08,840
for his own therapy and dobbing on himself and something

691
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:09,440
I would.

692
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,199
Speaker 1: Have to work on him within the moment. Even the

693
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,920
therapy is like, let's how do you reframe that? Can

694
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,400
think catch when you wanna apologize even to me? And

695
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,280
is that something we can work through?

696
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 4: And so he would need a much gentle er trauma

697
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,440
focused therapists that was very different than the kind of

698
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,840
therapist you worked with Bets and things like that. First

699
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,519
responders and people that have how did you create such

700
00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:39,159
your health exterior to get through their situations.

701
00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: I don't know about the laying though in terms of

702
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,119
her therap like kind of therapist you have.

703
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 3: Somewhere between somewhere, Rishay I I'm I work with firsts oners.

704
00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:53,960
There's my primary job I had the military, and the

705
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:57,199
way that that was depicted in the show was really

706
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,880
similar to what you would have to be and what

707
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:00,719
I mean people.

708
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 7: Because despite all the stuff that they go through, remembering

709
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,960
the first responders, military have dealt with trauma.

710
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 3: Beyond what civilians would possibly understand.

711
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 7: In most cases, sometimes you can everyone's looking life and

712
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,199
you don't assume, but the stuff that they see every

713
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:21,199
single day is immensely morble and people call them for

714
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,760
the worst moments.

715
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:23,079
Speaker 3: Of their life.

716
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Speaker 7: All shift, every shift for first responders in particular, it's

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in the city they live in, not like war or

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you go somewhere else. It's every day and having caravas

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that can be a little more. Uh No, try and

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get kind of energy like she had or like.

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Speaker 4: And she says like, I'm the only person in your

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own that sad. Like if you lived up before the client,

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you can say stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Kind of match her to right to.

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Speaker 7: The Virginia can be helpful, cause otherwise you're you're failing

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to test if their parts.

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Speaker 3: Trying to go like does this person really understand?

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Speaker 7: And she had to you know, like I understanding and

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see you and to see what you do, where as

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her Bob absolutely not. Bob makes a lot of development

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of sense of self needs someone to guide and nurture. Eventually,

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Bob's going it needs someone that can help both through

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the darkness and learn to redefine what roll.

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Speaker 3: It has in your life. But Bob is nowhere near there.

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Speaker 4: You you great, Paste, and anyone else have any question

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me as about so eight more minutes.

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Speaker 1: So if anyone has any other questions, you can go

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three we do. Also if you just talk to Toob

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and Song, we can.

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Speaker 10: Hundreds of hours we tapics of that, yeah, and none

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does that thing we really have to talk about too

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is bun me and how I think also the does

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a good job of something does to just become a

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congress person and he stood.

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Speaker 7: In doing that.

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Speaker 4: We also see like their beautifully psychologically to do a

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great job of her friends, someone who is trying to

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fit their our whole skill set enjoying you persona in

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any market people's that sended her to the side and

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he's like, I did she taptile? The assistant tactile senders

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like what are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing this weird essigonage stuff with you, missus

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conors with the packet, Who's like, are you think continuing?

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And so I just wanna have to think about that

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and various question Yes.

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Speaker 3: Uh, do you see the thing that you took that.

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Speaker 4: Way?

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Speaker 3: You Sally person she's.

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Speaker 4: But when you're.

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Speaker 1: Mm, yeah, I love that question.

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Speaker 3: So I am your certified and uh definitely a department here.

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Speaker 7: Yes, there are a lot of things that they do

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as they kind of build and for a reaction to

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each one, you see if her starting to notice different stimulight.

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Speaker 3: It's an excellent patch of that because any and the arthurpy.

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What a lot of people start noticing is.

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Speaker 7: You get both sides of your brain online. You realize

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each low storage memories. It's not one central memory bank

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we have in our brain. Each way we encountered the stimuli,

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all our five senses get stored in the brain in

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a different spot. So as she's focusing on a different

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stimuli of it, noticing she has to read process each

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one of those before she can start healing. Flo That

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is a great question of great observation to it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, very much so. The only thing I see to.

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Speaker 7: Do it better was like where they put brought out

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in a light bar and had light flashing across the

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scene in the last episode.

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Speaker 4: With his mom.

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Speaker 1: Yep, how does the film span it? And you're sure

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for your poor power that medicor oh, it's really great.

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Speaker 4: Earlier they have kind of a vibe of the other

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therapy and almost like an open group where in your therapy,

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an open grouping is that people can join uh, new

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members can join the group as kind of goes on

786
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like a AA is the that is probably ad version

787
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of an open group in that way, and a closed

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group is the same group of people can start the

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first session of ORPIMB together and they go the whole

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time together just then. And what the power of having

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or open dynamic is so I mentioned earlier, which is

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that someone like Buffy has already gone through therapy, has

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already done a lot of his work. We're seeing him

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in a much more actualized, chilled out place, and he

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can quote model that for Lena.

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Speaker 1: John's gonna mean that for sure, did you ever mentioned Bob?

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Speaker 4: And also he can show them that there is another

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side this, like if you can work on this stuff,

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that you can get into shame, like I'm over here

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and who can come to me, Like it's possible to

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work there. Something even says that earlier than you meet

802
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when he encounters them, and he's like, if you guys

803
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don't figure out how to change this up for yourself,

804
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it's gonna follow you. You need to figure out how

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to have a purpose now that is yours and I'm

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doing mad and it's working, and and so it gives.

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Speaker 1: You a lot of hope to be able to see

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people that have a little bit part of your WNG

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on on the journey, cause the journey is hard or

810
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it can work.

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Speaker 4: And so and also when you're down to know some

812
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the rest you can't really see the future and at

813
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all like drama, is that the ression is that and

814
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so it gives you someone that you can see and

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touch and feel that is sort of a future version

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of yourself hypothetically.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think a piece example gives people an actual

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look at you don't have to stay in this place

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where you have yourself contained and stuck in order to

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be safe, because people's depression and trauma teachers that I'm

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only say in.

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Speaker 3: This circle right here, just like I am, That's the

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only way I can be safe. I took all my

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life to figure this out, and it's unsafe to step

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outside of it.

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Speaker 7: And they really struggle to realize that was true at

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one point and is why you formed this Maybe subtle pots,

828
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but Bucky is starting to show Ava, John, all of

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these other characters right that, hey, m, we.

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Speaker 3: Keep these skills, but be beyond this was like we

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got you got a question again?

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Speaker 4: Love it M.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there could have been a lot more

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development with Ava in particular. Yeah, I thought, uh fringing

835
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task master of this lane. But in particular Ava was

836
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enough president in the story kind of showing her unique

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skills and identity, but we don't think got a slack

838
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glimpse of her. I think we got some good looks

839
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at John and some a little bit more at Alexei.

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Speaker 3: But I think we really missed out on developing Ava

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as a character. And I would like to see that

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and maybe as they build we will see that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, this movie felt like a D and D campaign

844
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to be where your head rogue fighter, cleric and u

845
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uh the warlock and to the ranger that we're talking.

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Speaker 3: So I feel like we we did. We underdeveloped our

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rogue in Dava.

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Speaker 7: I like, well, she does the invisibal stuff and she's

849
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the quietly whying like, oh look I found a place.

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I'm doing the right thing, but nobody sees me that

851
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needs to be a dynamic in the next movie.

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Speaker 1: Were welcome. So we only have one one more minutes.

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We're gonna wrap it up. Will you if you you

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ever asking so many thoughtful questions? Is there everybody on

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that at that point you appreciate.

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Speaker 4: That if anyone wants any little you know, merchant things,

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you have hands, you times, live your young fo fends.

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Speaker 1: Don't you have traps?

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Speaker 3: Say je second chapter we have tastic church, but Also,

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if you.

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Speaker 1: Found this satistic and you wanna find this, We're called

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Uncouplin Psychology. We are a panel were not getting. We're

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a podcast that operates out of Chicago.

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Speaker 3: We have a zillion.

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Speaker 4: Episodes that you've been going for eating season, we talk

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about this, We've talked about passing er.

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Speaker 1: Uh So the more we've talked about WandaVision. We've talked

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about a lot of topics. So if you talk about

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money a lot, it's probably why we didn't talk about

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as much this discussion.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, if you wanna check this out, you can

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find us a pop from Psychology and TikTok, Facebook, Instagram.

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Speaker 5: We're not on the X because through that.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, to find us, to find us, Reverend I

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appreciate you hanging out with us and say we'll be

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back at one fifteen to talk about the last.

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Speaker 1: Of Us in the Psychology of the Apocalypse. Your