WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:03.160 You know, love man, it's official. I have to grow 2 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:06.519 a mustache. I have to. You had one rocking for 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:08.199 a while. You still have it a little bit not 4 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:09.880 near as front facing as it was. 5 00:00:10.679 --> 00:00:11.960 And everybody who's cool. 6 00:00:11.800 --> 00:00:14.240 Right now has a mustache, including the guy sitting across 7 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:16.559 from me. You can see him on YouTube with sunglasses 8 00:00:16.559 --> 00:00:21.000 on inside, Chris Comroddie. I don't think I look good 9 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:22.679 with a mustache, but I feel like I have to 10 00:00:22.679 --> 00:00:23.239 grow one now. 11 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:28.679 Well, this is more just a My facial hair grows 12 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:33.439 so intensely, so quickly that I have to like think ahead. 13 00:00:33.479 --> 00:00:36.119 So I'm thinking ahead to Thanksgiving. We're going out to 14 00:00:36.119 --> 00:00:40.359 California to be with my family out there. Lovely, I 15 00:00:40.399 --> 00:00:44.200 know there's gonna be nice pictures taken. My facial hair 16 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:47.359 isn't necessarily the kind that's easiest to trim, even with 17 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:49.679 a beard trimmer, uh huh. So you have to do 18 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:52.679 controlled burn Sometimes you have to burn it down and 19 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:56.039 then predict where it will look two to three weeks out. 20 00:00:56.079 --> 00:00:58.880 So this might look this way now, but give it 21 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:01.799 two weeks and it'll be be part of be part 22 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:03.439 of the forest once more. 23 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:06.519 The hair and the hair on the head, the hair 24 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:07.079 on the face. 25 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:09.519 Yea, and mine grows fast, but I don't think it 26 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:11.560 grows near the way yours does. 27 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:14.120 No. I mean, there's a reason why I don't cut 28 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:15.879 my hair is because when I have short hair, I 29 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:17.519 have to get a haircut every three weeks. 30 00:01:17.599 --> 00:01:19.159 Otherwise it just starts to look bad. 31 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:24.239 So I save money on a leaf ton of haircuts. 32 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:27.040 And it's just it's just easier. Dude, you look good 33 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:28.120 on YouTube. You look like that. 34 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:30.959 You look like the lead singer of an indie rock band. 35 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:33.239 Well, I mean, if we're gonna be talking about Colorado, 36 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:35.480 I guess it makes sense that I'm wearing my sunglasses inside. 37 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:38.840 It does. We have four people watching the YouTube stream. 38 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:40.680 Now, can we get to Can we get to double 39 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:42.200 digits before we get you out of here? 40 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:44.439 I say, let's try to get to six before next break. 41 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:45.920 All right, we'll try to get to six. We're on 42 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:48.359 YouTube now. Check out ck looks like he came straight 43 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:52.519 from Randy's records. He's rolling in with sunglasses inside. He's 44 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:56.599 got a great mustache. Championship, Vinyl championship, vinyl nice pull, 45 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:58.879 good pull. All right, Where to start? Where to start? 46 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:00.959 Where to start? Well, we obviously have to start with 47 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:04.560 what happened last Saturday night at Riceycle Stadium is We 48 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:07.480 were both there as members of the media, hard working 49 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:09.680 members of the media, saw you. The press box, had 50 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:14.520 a lovely conversation. Let's just start macro macro viewpoint, how'd 51 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:15.759 you digest Saturday night? 52 00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:17.039 From which point of view? 53 00:02:17.479 --> 00:02:20.080 Just your overall takeaways? We can start, I mean, we 54 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:22.639 can do the I can ask you specifics if you'd like. 55 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:23.919 I'm just start to finish. 56 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:24.759 You know, I'm not smart. 57 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:26.879 I'm not smart enough to give a huge macro view, 58 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:28.080 So I'm going to start with Utah. 59 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:31.840 Okay, does that work? Utah takeaways. Let's start with Utah takeaways. 60 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:40.000 Played their best game of the year for what was it, 61 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:45.840 fifty two minutes maybe a little less. They gave BYU 62 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:49.360 everything they could handle. The defense looked like the type 63 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:54.439 of defense that everybody believed to be the best defense 64 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:55.680 in the Big twelve and one of the best in 65 00:02:55.719 --> 00:02:58.520 the country. But again, as we talked about last week 66 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:01.080 when we were at Smiths, I felt like Utah had 67 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:03.840 to turn the ball over in or like turn BYU 68 00:03:03.919 --> 00:03:05.479 over in order to have a chance. They lose the 69 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:08.919 turnover battle. Two oh, and they're they're they're right there 70 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:11.199 at the end with a chance a weird game, as 71 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:15.039 that game always is. I was impressed with the moxy 72 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:19.280 of Brandon Rose. It was interesting to hear Kyle Whittingham 73 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:22.240 say this week that the the pick that he threw, 74 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:25.120 not the one that was the trick play pick, wasn't 75 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:27.080 his fault, that it was a receiver running the wrong 76 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:31.080 route on the route tree. But now that Brandon's out, Uh, 77 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:35.719 it's hard to even comprehend the bad luck that this 78 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:38.280 program has at that position in the last two seasons, 79 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:41.960 because like last year was frustrating for fans because the 80 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:44.599 will he won't he thing with Cam But then people 81 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:47.400 forget that Brandon like lacerated his kidney, and like in 82 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:52.240 fall camp, then you had the you know, Nate Johnson, Bryson, Barnes, 83 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:54.240 Bryson got hurt, Nate goes in the portal, you have 84 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:56.280 to start the Ferrari the last game of the year 85 00:03:56.319 --> 00:03:59.520 against your guy against Colorado, And I was like, there's 86 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:01.439 no way they're gonna have to go through something like 87 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:01.879 this again. 88 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:02.639 And here they are. 89 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:05.319 Brandon goes down in the last series of the game 90 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:10.919 against BYU and yeah, I mean, I mean big takeaway 91 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:15.520 is that Utah finds itself being able to throw its 92 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:17.759 best punch against its rival and coming up short. 93 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:20.040 So we'll stick with the Utah side before we move 94 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:22.800 over to the BYU side for a moment, because you know, 95 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:25.360 I always like to get the opinion of people who 96 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:27.680 have actually played the game and played the position in. 97 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:30.959 Scott Mitchell after the Houston game said that he thought 98 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:34.199 Brandon looked a lot better than Isaac. Now the numbers 99 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:36.040 don't bear that out. He was just saying from his 100 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:38.319 vantage point, just the zip on the ball and just 101 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:41.399 the presence he looked confident. Yeah, President, you know, the 102 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:45.199 pocket presence and such. And you know, up until the 103 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:48.879 second half was atrocious offensively, and it clearly was let's 104 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:50.399 see if we can run out the clock and play 105 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:53.920 field position. Five punts that had great. All they needed 106 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:56.000 was a field goal. All they needed was one like 107 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:58.680 lucky twenty yard chunk played and kick a field goal 108 00:04:58.720 --> 00:04:59.279 for them to win. 109 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:02.360 But I thought Brandon for the most part, to your. 110 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:05.680 Point, looked pretty pose poised and looked, you know, I 111 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:08.360 would say, better than Isaac has looked for the majority 112 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:11.279 of the season. What does that say about the decision 113 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:13.839 to plug Isaac in a is the backup when it 114 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:16.519 feels like maybe Brandon would have given them a better shot, 115 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:20.199 Like we are revisionist historians now Monday Morning quarterback. But 116 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:22.920 there were so many games where the defense kept them 117 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:25.600 in it that if they had just a proficient offense, 118 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:27.079 not a great one, they would have been able to 119 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:28.680 rack up a couple of wins. What does it say 120 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:31.560 about the decision to put Isaac Hunter center after Cameron 121 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:31.920 went down. 122 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:37.480 Well, I think Isaac against TCU, against Arizona, against Houston 123 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:40.879 looked different than Isaac did against Utah State and Oklahoma State, 124 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:42.360 and you can. 125 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:45.079 And Oklahoma State sucks, and I know. 126 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:47.920 But I'm just saying from a pure like confidence point 127 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:51.160 of view, like that in that Houston game, he looked 128 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:55.160 hurt and like he looked like a player without any confidence. 129 00:05:55.240 --> 00:06:01.399 So it makes sense why he looked the way he did. 130 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:05.879 You're you're talking about some some politics. You're you're a 131 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:09.680 guy who you recruited locally, a four star kid. I 132 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:12.759 don't want to say that you're trying to keep him 133 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:16.000 happy in this transfer portal era, but maybe I don't 134 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:19.800 know there. I also think there is a little bit 135 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:25.319 of Utah should have recruited Zach. They didn't. Zach went 136 00:06:25.319 --> 00:06:30.240 to BYU, had a great career, and you know, they 137 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:31.879 they wanted to make sure that they didn't miss on 138 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:34.920 another Wilson. And that's not to say that Isaac isn't 139 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:37.160 going to measure up to his brother. It's still very 140 00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:39.399 early and Zach did take his lumps early on in 141 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:45.240 his career at BYU. But I think the conversation between 142 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:48.199 Isaac and Brandon is sixes to me because really, coming 143 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:51.040 into the season, neither had ever taken a snap, you know, 144 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:54.360 Like Isaac was younger, Brandon had more experience in the 145 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:57.120 system he's in. He's you know, injured last year, but 146 00:06:57.160 --> 00:07:01.800 he has way more experience in the system. I don't like, 147 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:03.879 yeah to the revision as history point. I don't know 148 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:06.800 if Brandon starts those games, if Utah has a different record, 149 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:09.240 But to me, it's more of the fact that Utah 150 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:12.279 has just been wholly unprepared from a backup quarterback position, 151 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:14.439 as we've talked about for the second year. 152 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:14.680 In a row. 153 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:16.920 And to your point, it is only fair to bring 154 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:20.879 up the horrific luck that they've had with injuries under center. 155 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:23.600 But I do think people are probably tired of leaning 156 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:28.040 only on that. It's weird man, because as we've talked about, 157 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:30.000 and Coach Wit alluded to this on the Coaches Show 158 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:33.839 last night, like, sorry for using it again. We can 159 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:36.600 be as reductive as saying it's the quarterback thing. You 160 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:39.839 really can't do that. But we have four hours of 161 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:42.199 space to fill. And also it can't only be that 162 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:45.000 when you've lost five straight. So if I remove that dynamic, 163 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:47.480 what are the other things that come to. 164 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:51.639 It's hard, man, It honestly is. I think if I 165 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:55.319 was being super nitpicky just thinking back a couple of 166 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:57.959 years ago, looking at like and we're going to stay 167 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:00.759 on offense because I think the offense is been obviously 168 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:05.959 the primary issue. Yeah, offensive line has been subpar for 169 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:08.439 most of the year, played well against BYU, I thought, 170 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:11.920 But looking back at the roster a couple of years ago, 171 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:16.360 this program had at one point it had Tavian Thomas, Jaquindin, Jackson, McKay, Bernard, 172 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:22.439 Jalen Glover. Not for nothing, Charlie Vincent, like, the depth 173 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:25.199 that this program had just a couple of years ago 174 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:27.800 at that position was insane, and they came into this 175 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:30.839 season with not a lot of depth with basically zero 176 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:34.759 proven depth behind McKay, Bernard and Jalen Glover. I know 177 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:38.039 people were frustrated that Jalen couldn't get off the pine 178 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:40.600 and now he's in the portal. But like, if you're 179 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:43.039 going to hang your hat on being the team that 180 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:48.480 wants to run and then throw, especially when you're starting 181 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:50.840 quarterback is down, you have to have depth there and 182 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:53.320 they just didn't have it this year. And like McKay 183 00:08:53.559 --> 00:08:57.159 was was a great complimentary back under guys like you know, 184 00:08:57.240 --> 00:08:59.399 Jack Quindin and Tavion and he's proven to be the 185 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:02.879 most important player this year. But Kyle even I mean 186 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:05.320 Kyle will never come out and say things out loud, 187 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:08.639 but he'll drop hints, like he said throughout the early 188 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:10.279 portion of the season, like we don't want to give 189 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:12.879 him McKay more than twenty five touches. We don't want 190 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:16.039 him beat up, meaning like he wasn't confident in what 191 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:20.840 they had going behind mackay because he knows how valuable 192 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:23.159 he was and how they basically couldn't lose him. 193 00:09:23.600 --> 00:09:28.919 Well, and you know you referenced Tavion and you know 194 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:32.960 Zack Moss another one the like Mackay's not built like 195 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:35.639 those big backs that were used to. 196 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:38.279 Not DeVante Booker, He's not Zach, He's at you. Quindon, 197 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:42.320 he's Tavion. He's run like it this year. But you need, 198 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:45.240 especially that we've seen in this at the school, like 199 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:46.840 you need two or three of those guys to be 200 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:49.960 able to do it every single week, Like I think 201 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:53.000 Zach and DeVante, like if we're going back in time, 202 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:55.399 I think you're talking about two guys that are just 203 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:58.200 exceptions to the rule, like guys that could just do 204 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:00.639 it and run the ball thirty thirty five times a 205 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:03.799 game and be okay for the most part that position. 206 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:06.120 Look at the NFL man like there're a dime a dozen. 207 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:08.600 All you have to do is be a D three 208 00:10:08.679 --> 00:10:11.159 running back at some podunk school in Oregon. You might 209 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:13.399 find Kyle Shanahan and he'll turn you into it. Also 210 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:15.440 into a pro bowler. But other than that, it's just 211 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:19.159 the position is so difficult to stay healthy at and 212 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:21.320 when you're a program that wants to be able to 213 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:24.000 run first. I know fans were coming into the season saying, 214 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:27.200 oh Andy's going to open up the playbook and Cam's 215 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:29.080 gonna have all this and that it's like no, man, 216 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:31.399 if you know Kyle Whittingham, he is the guy that 217 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:33.360 wants to run the ball, control the clock, and play 218 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:34.360 defense no matter what. 219 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:38.120 So you reference Jalen, which I find interesting because Jalen 220 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:42.200 Glover had some really good games for Utah football in 221 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:45.919 really big moments, you know, in the past, and I 222 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:48.759 think at one point, again not for nothing, there were 223 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:50.960 some people that thought he could really be the next 224 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:54.679 great running back in this program. Could never get off 225 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:57.080 the pie. When he did, didn't do much, and now 226 00:10:57.559 --> 00:10:59.600 he's gone. What do you make of just the pretty 227 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:01.279 rapid fall from grace a Jalen Glover. 228 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:02.679 Yeah, I mean, I think last year he had a 229 00:11:02.840 --> 00:11:08.039 five hundred, five hundred and fifty ish yards of rushing offense. 230 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:11.440 I don't know how much of that came in like 231 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:15.440 a starting role, in a complimentary role in mop up time. 232 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:18.279 I do think, like obviously he was a talented kid. 233 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:19.799 He was a four star kid out of Florida that 234 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:22.679 chose to come to Utah, watched Zach Moss do Ittt 235 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:26.600 as another Florida kid. I just think, Spence, we're in 236 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:30.840 this era now where like it's you can't take it 237 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:33.320 personally or you can't overthink it if a guy leaves, 238 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:35.919 like sometimes it just doesn't work out at a school. 239 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:39.039 And regarding Jalen, I don't know. I don't know. 240 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:43.000 If Jalen is your number two running back and goes 241 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:45.039 fifty to fifty reps wise with mackay, I don't think 242 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:46.519 that makes Utah a better team this year. 243 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:47.639 I just don't think he does. 244 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:51.000 So last year when my guy, the Ferrari, was starting 245 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:54.600 against Colorado, Jalen goes for one oh seven on seventeen carries, 246 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:58.399 twenty five carries eighty six yards in that ugly fourteen 247 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:02.080 seven win over UCLA. You know, some other decent like 248 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:05.120 he was never sure an All American, but it certainly 249 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:07.879 has experienced in the program. And yeah, three or four 250 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:10.080 really big games as a starter in big spots. 251 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:12.720 Yeah, and now there are going to be, you know, 252 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:16.320 more questions asked considering this is McKay's last year and 253 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:19.440 there really isn't a quote unquote next guy in the pipeline. 254 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:21.240 I know people are really high on Mike Mitchell, but 255 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:25.120 Mike Mitchell hasn't stayed healthy all year. The Anthony Woods 256 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:27.840 kid who transferred from Idaho people were stoked about, but 257 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:31.159 I guess he got hurt way back in spring. It's 258 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:34.039 it's an odd It goes back to what I was 259 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:37.159 saying a couple of weeks ago. I think everybody just 260 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:41.559 banked on so many things going perfectly right for Utah 261 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:45.679 and very key positions, and one of them, oddly enough, 262 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:48.559 turned out to be the running back position because McKay's 263 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:52.799 been basically everything they've needed. But still they've lucked out 264 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:53.440 in that sense. 265 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:53.639 Man. 266 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:56.080 It's like like if Makai got hurt a few weeks ago, 267 00:12:56.480 --> 00:12:58.080 or like the second or third game of the year, 268 00:12:58.159 --> 00:12:58.919 Like this team is. 269 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:02.559 In, they're up. They're up Bleep Creek real fast, for sure. 270 00:13:02.720 --> 00:13:07.759 All right, So game ends down on the field dodging 271 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:11.960 water bottles. It wasn't just the b YU, it wasn't 272 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:15.360 just the BYU cheerleading coach. I was dodging water bottles. 273 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:18.039 Sean was dodging water bottles. They were coming down, they 274 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:20.440 were throwing them at They were throwing them at Sean, 275 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:22.919 a former Utah football player, has not been reported by 276 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:25.399 the d News. Okay, but please can we get that 277 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:25.960 one out there? 278 00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:29.799 A man who's literally won a million dollars for hurting 279 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:32.720 somebody else. Yes, these people, these youngs man, how dare they? 280 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:34.559 Yes, the youngs are out of control. 281 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:36.000 But the fact of the matter is they I don't 282 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:38.240 know that anybody was aiming at anybody else. They were 283 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:40.600 just coming down on the field and there was a 284 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:41.440 lot of them, for sure. 285 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:44.279 Do the thing. Say what's up to my guy? 286 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:47.799 Klannie A Rod, Tom Homo, pay my respects, and then 287 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:50.240 go up to the media room. And as I'm walking 288 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:55.960 home at two am, two thirty, phone blows up, text 289 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:57.039 DMS everything. 290 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:00.399 Did you hear what Mark Carlin just said? I said, no, 291 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:01.120 I'm walking home. 292 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:03.960 Buddy sends me a link to a video on social 293 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:09.039 I pull it up and I go, oh, my gosh. 294 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.120 I thought he was going to be in so much trouble. Okay, 295 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:15.600 so everybody's started by now. Quote I've been an athletic 296 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:17.559 director for twelve years. By the way, is that long 297 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:22.039 enough to like rag about I've been an athletic director 298 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:25.159 for twelve years. This game was absolutely stolen from us. 299 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:27.120 We are excited to be in the Big twelve, but 300 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:30.039 tonight I'm not we won this game. Someone else stolen 301 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:32.840 from us. I'm very disappointed. I will talk to the commissioner. 302 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:36.639 This is not fair to our team. I'm disgusted by 303 00:14:36.679 --> 00:14:39.200 the professionalism of the officiating crew tonight. I thought I 304 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:41.240 was going to wake up to an audio recording of 305 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:44.399 Mark Carlin calling Brett Yormark asking him if he could 306 00:14:44.440 --> 00:14:47.360 find him two points for the game from Saturday night. 307 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:50.159 But my first react, like, Brett Yormark is a sleeping 308 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:53.759 with the Fish's Northeast sports executive that I'm sure when 309 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:56.240 he woke up to this he went, oh, really, okay, 310 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:00.759 I think forty k and a public reprimand is about 311 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:03.559 as good as Mark could have expected after attacking the 312 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:08.480 conference and the integrity of the officials. Your reaction when 313 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:09.759 you heard it, and where are you at with it 314 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:10.279 right now? 315 00:15:10.399 --> 00:15:12.480 So I was working on my story sitting in the 316 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:16.559 plushy chairs away from the windows at Rice Cycles because 317 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:19.000 it's a little chilli there and I wanted to stay 318 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:21.759 warm and be away from all the other pecking of 319 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:24.919 the keyboards. And it was piped in because they pipe 320 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:28.240 in they pipe in wits presser. And as soon as 321 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:31.360 he said that, like I just like I text Aaron. 322 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:33.399 I text Aaron. I was like, did you get that 323 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:36.679 whole thing? Like like, Luckily, Aaron's a way better journalist 324 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:38.279 than me, and he recorded it as soon as Mark 325 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:42.159 stepped to the lectern. But to me, Spence, the most 326 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:46.679 surprising thing was him saying that he was happy to 327 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:49.080 be in the Big twelve until Saturday. 328 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:51.960 That was the That was the biggest part of the 329 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:52.559 whole thing. 330 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:56.559 The quiet part out loud, correct as the kids were correct. 331 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:00.759 I if I'm putting myself in mark shoes and if 332 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:03.120 he did just leave the locker room where those guys 333 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:06.879 were despondent and what they needed more than anything in 334 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:09.360 the world was to win that type of game against 335 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:13.159 that team and to have that ending. I understand that 336 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:16.120 the emotions of the moment can overtake you, but you 337 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:19.200 just can't do it. It's a terrible look. I think 338 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:22.960 val Hal, who used to be by us AD, spoke 339 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:25.240 to somebody in the media this week, and you know, 340 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:28.080 vow was saying how he was just done, like eighties. 341 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:28.279 Never do that. 342 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:33.720 But I conversely, I was listening to the Canzano Wilner 343 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:35.759 pod this week and they had Rick Neuheisel on, who 344 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:38.799 was really good. You guys should get Rick on because 345 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:43.639 he's a very, very smart guy. John Canzano brought up 346 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:47.399 a good point He's like, is there a world in 347 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:55.279 which that move by Mark helps a groundswell of motivation 348 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:58.360 from the fan base from like an nil perspective, from 349 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:03.039 like anything, you know, and if you're taking this, if 350 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:07.359 you're taking this, you know, happening from a different viewpoint. Maybe, 351 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:12.640 But my immediate takeaway was it was bad luck. The 352 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:16.160 game was not stolen from them. It was an obvious call. 353 00:17:16.599 --> 00:17:18.440 It's a brutal call, and I think it's a call 354 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:23.000 that often doesn't go called because listen, man, even the 355 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:29.079 most insanely zealous football fans know that there's holding on 356 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:32.519 every single play. And I know that there were Utah 357 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:35.799 fans who slowed down the video and said, oh, Van 358 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:38.359 Fillinger was being held in the line, and then this 359 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:39.319 guy was being held on. 360 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:40.079 I get it. 361 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:43.680 But it's like, this is a subjective sport, like like 362 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:47.279 officiated by human beings, you're going to have human error. 363 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:50.559 I don't think the officiating crew. I don't think that 364 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:52.480 the judge who threw the flag uns at my van 365 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:54.440 was wrong though. I don't think that was an error. 366 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:57.400 So right, excuse me, And I just would have loved 367 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:01.880 to be there when Brett Yormar woke up and looked 368 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:04.799 at his phone. The statement from the Big Twelve is 369 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:10.920 as follows, ah pardon me quote. Mark's comments irresponsibly challenged 370 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:13.319 the professionalism of our officials and the integrity of the 371 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:16.200 Big Twelve Conference. There's a right way and a wrong 372 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:19.839 way to avowaice concerns. Unfortunately, Mark chose the wrong way. Accordingly, 373 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:23.640 the violation warrants a public reprimand and a financial penalty 374 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:28.440 forty K. The Big Twelve Conference prioritizes professionalism, integrity, and 375 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:31.480 fairness and will continue to do so. And look, Chris, 376 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:36.319 it's it just feeds into this narrative and probably some 377 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:40.400 of it's fair. Probably some of it's giving cowards online 378 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:43.440 who utilize on the online presence to feel brave about 379 00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:46.400 themselves too much credit. But there is this thing in 380 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:48.759 the conference like youth fans feel like they're too good 381 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:51.440 for the Big Twelve, Youth fans feel like they should 382 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:53.759 be in the Big Ten. And now it's a team 383 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:56.599 that's won one conference game and their ad is kind 384 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:58.799 of attacking the conference like this is not going to 385 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:02.119 endear Utah football. It's and I don't know how long 386 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:05.319 Utah football will be in the Big twelve. I don't know, nobody. 387 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:07.119 Knows where anyone will be in right two three years, but. 388 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:08.920 What if it's five, six, seven years? 389 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:11.599 Yeah, And this is like, what's your alternative right now, 390 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:13.440 there's not an invite from the Big Ten. You're gonna 391 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:15.079 go back to the back twelve of the Mountain West. Like, 392 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:19.720 this does not endear you to the other members and 393 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:21.720 your peers around the conference, And I don't think it 394 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:22.839 endears the fan base. 395 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:26.200 Well, it definitely doesn't endear the fan base or you know, 396 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:28.559 the university to their peers when something like this happens. 397 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:31.839 But I will say, if the shoe was on the 398 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:37.079 other foot, if Utah was undefeated and BYU was four 399 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:39.200 and five and on a five game losing streak, and 400 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:44.119 if Utah got that call, if a BYU defensive back 401 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:48.160