Speaker 1: You know, love man, it's official. I have to grow
Speaker 1: a mustache. I have to. You had one rocking for
Speaker 1: a while. You still have it a little bit not
Speaker 1: near as front facing as it was.
Speaker 2: And everybody who's cool.
Speaker 1: Right now has a mustache, including the guy sitting across
Speaker 1: from me. You can see him on YouTube with sunglasses
Speaker 1: on inside, Chris Comroddie. I don't think I look good
Speaker 1: with a mustache, but I feel like I have to
Speaker 1: grow one now.
Speaker 3: Well, this is more just a My facial hair grows
Speaker 3: so intensely, so quickly that I have to like think ahead.
Speaker 3: So I'm thinking ahead to Thanksgiving. We're going out to
Speaker 3: California to be with my family out there. Lovely, I
Speaker 3: know there's gonna be nice pictures taken. My facial hair
Speaker 3: isn't necessarily the kind that's easiest to trim, even with
Speaker 3: a beard trimmer, uh huh. So you have to do
Speaker 3: controlled burn Sometimes you have to burn it down and
Speaker 3: then predict where it will look two to three weeks out.
Speaker 3: So this might look this way now, but give it
Speaker 3: two weeks and it'll be be part of be part
Speaker 3: of the forest once more.
Speaker 2: The hair and the hair on the head, the hair
Speaker 2: on the face.
Speaker 1: Yea, and mine grows fast, but I don't think it
Speaker 1: grows near the way yours does.
Speaker 3: No. I mean, there's a reason why I don't cut
Speaker 3: my hair is because when I have short hair, I
Speaker 3: have to get a haircut every three weeks.
Speaker 4: Otherwise it just starts to look bad.
Speaker 3: So I save money on a leaf ton of haircuts.
Speaker 4: And it's just it's just easier. Dude, you look good
Speaker 4: on YouTube. You look like that.
Speaker 2: You look like the lead singer of an indie rock band.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if we're gonna be talking about Colorado,
Speaker 3: I guess it makes sense that I'm wearing my sunglasses inside.
Speaker 2: It does. We have four people watching the YouTube stream.
Speaker 1: Now, can we get to Can we get to double
Speaker 1: digits before we get you out of here?
Speaker 4: I say, let's try to get to six before next break.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll try to get to six. We're on
Speaker 1: YouTube now. Check out ck looks like he came straight
Speaker 1: from Randy's records. He's rolling in with sunglasses inside. He's
Speaker 1: got a great mustache. Championship, Vinyl championship, vinyl nice pull,
Speaker 1: good pull. All right, Where to start? Where to start?
Speaker 1: Where to start? Well, we obviously have to start with
Speaker 1: what happened last Saturday night at Riceycle Stadium is We
Speaker 1: were both there as members of the media, hard working
Speaker 1: members of the media, saw you. The press box, had
Speaker 1: a lovely conversation. Let's just start macro macro viewpoint, how'd
Speaker 1: you digest Saturday night?
Speaker 4: From which point of view?
Speaker 1: Just your overall takeaways? We can start, I mean, we
Speaker 1: can do the I can ask you specifics if you'd like.
Speaker 2: I'm just start to finish.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not smart.
Speaker 3: I'm not smart enough to give a huge macro view,
Speaker 3: So I'm going to start with Utah.
Speaker 1: Okay, does that work? Utah takeaways. Let's start with Utah takeaways.
Speaker 3: Played their best game of the year for what was it,
Speaker 3: fifty two minutes maybe a little less. They gave BYU
Speaker 3: everything they could handle. The defense looked like the type
Speaker 3: of defense that everybody believed to be the best defense
Speaker 3: in the Big twelve and one of the best in
Speaker 3: the country. But again, as we talked about last week
Speaker 3: when we were at Smiths, I felt like Utah had
Speaker 3: to turn the ball over in or like turn BYU
Speaker 3: over in order to have a chance. They lose the
Speaker 3: turnover battle. Two oh, and they're they're they're right there
Speaker 3: at the end with a chance a weird game, as
Speaker 3: that game always is. I was impressed with the moxy
Speaker 3: of Brandon Rose. It was interesting to hear Kyle Whittingham
Speaker 3: say this week that the the pick that he threw,
Speaker 3: not the one that was the trick play pick, wasn't
Speaker 3: his fault, that it was a receiver running the wrong
Speaker 3: route on the route tree. But now that Brandon's out, Uh,
Speaker 3: it's hard to even comprehend the bad luck that this
Speaker 3: program has at that position in the last two seasons,
Speaker 3: because like last year was frustrating for fans because the
Speaker 3: will he won't he thing with Cam But then people
Speaker 3: forget that Brandon like lacerated his kidney, and like in
Speaker 3: fall camp, then you had the you know, Nate Johnson, Bryson, Barnes,
Speaker 3: Bryson got hurt, Nate goes in the portal, you have
Speaker 3: to start the Ferrari the last game of the year
Speaker 3: against your guy against Colorado, And I was like, there's
Speaker 3: no way they're gonna have to go through something like
Speaker 3: this again.
Speaker 4: And here they are.
Speaker 3: Brandon goes down in the last series of the game
Speaker 3: against BYU and yeah, I mean, I mean big takeaway
Speaker 3: is that Utah finds itself being able to throw its
Speaker 3: best punch against its rival and coming up short.
Speaker 1: So we'll stick with the Utah side before we move
Speaker 1: over to the BYU side for a moment, because you know,
Speaker 1: I always like to get the opinion of people who
Speaker 1: have actually played the game and played the position in.
Speaker 1: Scott Mitchell after the Houston game said that he thought
Speaker 1: Brandon looked a lot better than Isaac. Now the numbers
Speaker 1: don't bear that out. He was just saying from his
Speaker 1: vantage point, just the zip on the ball and just
Speaker 1: the presence he looked confident. Yeah, President, you know, the
Speaker 1: pocket presence and such. And you know, up until the
Speaker 1: second half was atrocious offensively, and it clearly was let's
Speaker 1: see if we can run out the clock and play
Speaker 1: field position. Five punts that had great. All they needed
Speaker 1: was a field goal. All they needed was one like
Speaker 1: lucky twenty yard chunk played and kick a field goal
Speaker 1: for them to win.
Speaker 2: But I thought Brandon for the most part, to your.
Speaker 1: Point, looked pretty pose poised and looked, you know, I
Speaker 1: would say, better than Isaac has looked for the majority
Speaker 1: of the season. What does that say about the decision
Speaker 1: to plug Isaac in a is the backup when it
Speaker 1: feels like maybe Brandon would have given them a better shot,
Speaker 1: Like we are revisionist historians now Monday Morning quarterback. But
Speaker 1: there were so many games where the defense kept them
Speaker 1: in it that if they had just a proficient offense,
Speaker 1: not a great one, they would have been able to
Speaker 1: rack up a couple of wins. What does it say
Speaker 1: about the decision to put Isaac Hunter center after Cameron
Speaker 1: went down.
Speaker 3: Well, I think Isaac against TCU, against Arizona, against Houston
Speaker 3: looked different than Isaac did against Utah State and Oklahoma State,
Speaker 3: and you can.
Speaker 2: And Oklahoma State sucks, and I know.
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying from a pure like confidence point
Speaker 3: of view, like that in that Houston game, he looked
Speaker 3: hurt and like he looked like a player without any confidence.
Speaker 3: So it makes sense why he looked the way he did.
Speaker 3: You're you're talking about some some politics. You're you're a
Speaker 3: guy who you recruited locally, a four star kid. I
Speaker 3: don't want to say that you're trying to keep him
Speaker 3: happy in this transfer portal era, but maybe I don't
Speaker 3: know there. I also think there is a little bit
Speaker 3: of Utah should have recruited Zach. They didn't. Zach went
Speaker 3: to BYU, had a great career, and you know, they
Speaker 3: they wanted to make sure that they didn't miss on
Speaker 3: another Wilson. And that's not to say that Isaac isn't
Speaker 3: going to measure up to his brother. It's still very
Speaker 3: early and Zach did take his lumps early on in
Speaker 3: his career at BYU. But I think the conversation between
Speaker 3: Isaac and Brandon is sixes to me because really, coming
Speaker 3: into the season, neither had ever taken a snap, you know,
Speaker 3: Like Isaac was younger, Brandon had more experience in the
Speaker 3: system he's in. He's you know, injured last year, but
Speaker 3: he has way more experience in the system. I don't like,
Speaker 3: yeah to the revision as history point. I don't know
Speaker 3: if Brandon starts those games, if Utah has a different record,
Speaker 3: But to me, it's more of the fact that Utah
Speaker 3: has just been wholly unprepared from a backup quarterback position,
Speaker 3: as we've talked about for the second year.
Speaker 2: In a row.
Speaker 1: And to your point, it is only fair to bring
Speaker 1: up the horrific luck that they've had with injuries under center.
Speaker 1: But I do think people are probably tired of leaning
Speaker 1: only on that. It's weird man, because as we've talked about,
Speaker 1: and Coach Wit alluded to this on the Coaches Show
Speaker 1: last night, like, sorry for using it again. We can
Speaker 1: be as reductive as saying it's the quarterback thing. You
Speaker 1: really can't do that. But we have four hours of
Speaker 1: space to fill. And also it can't only be that
Speaker 1: when you've lost five straight. So if I remove that dynamic,
Speaker 1: what are the other things that come to.
Speaker 3: It's hard, man, It honestly is. I think if I
Speaker 3: was being super nitpicky just thinking back a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago, looking at like and we're going to stay
Speaker 3: on offense because I think the offense is been obviously
Speaker 3: the primary issue. Yeah, offensive line has been subpar for
Speaker 3: most of the year, played well against BYU, I thought,
Speaker 3: But looking back at the roster a couple of years ago,
Speaker 3: this program had at one point it had Tavian Thomas, Jaquindin, Jackson, McKay, Bernard,
Speaker 3: Jalen Glover. Not for nothing, Charlie Vincent, like, the depth
Speaker 3: that this program had just a couple of years ago
Speaker 3: at that position was insane, and they came into this
Speaker 3: season with not a lot of depth with basically zero
Speaker 3: proven depth behind McKay, Bernard and Jalen Glover. I know
Speaker 3: people were frustrated that Jalen couldn't get off the pine
Speaker 3: and now he's in the portal. But like, if you're
Speaker 3: going to hang your hat on being the team that
Speaker 3: wants to run and then throw, especially when you're starting
Speaker 3: quarterback is down, you have to have depth there and
Speaker 3: they just didn't have it this year. And like McKay
Speaker 3: was was a great complimentary back under guys like you know,
Speaker 3: Jack Quindin and Tavion and he's proven to be the
Speaker 3: most important player this year. But Kyle even I mean
Speaker 3: Kyle will never come out and say things out loud,
Speaker 3: but he'll drop hints, like he said throughout the early
Speaker 3: portion of the season, like we don't want to give
Speaker 3: him McKay more than twenty five touches. We don't want
Speaker 3: him beat up, meaning like he wasn't confident in what
Speaker 3: they had going behind mackay because he knows how valuable
Speaker 3: he was and how they basically couldn't lose him.
Speaker 1: Well, and you know you referenced Tavion and you know
Speaker 1: Zack Moss another one the like Mackay's not built like
Speaker 1: those big backs that were used to.
Speaker 3: Not DeVante Booker, He's not Zach, He's at you. Quindon,
Speaker 3: he's Tavion. He's run like it this year. But you need,
Speaker 3: especially that we've seen in this at the school, like
Speaker 3: you need two or three of those guys to be
Speaker 3: able to do it every single week, Like I think
Speaker 3: Zach and DeVante, like if we're going back in time,
Speaker 3: I think you're talking about two guys that are just
Speaker 3: exceptions to the rule, like guys that could just do
Speaker 3: it and run the ball thirty thirty five times a
Speaker 3: game and be okay for the most part that position.
Speaker 3: Look at the NFL man like there're a dime a dozen.
Speaker 3: All you have to do is be a D three
Speaker 3: running back at some podunk school in Oregon. You might
Speaker 3: find Kyle Shanahan and he'll turn you into it. Also
Speaker 3: into a pro bowler. But other than that, it's just
Speaker 3: the position is so difficult to stay healthy at and
Speaker 3: when you're a program that wants to be able to
Speaker 3: run first. I know fans were coming into the season saying,
Speaker 3: oh Andy's going to open up the playbook and Cam's
Speaker 3: gonna have all this and that it's like no, man,
Speaker 3: if you know Kyle Whittingham, he is the guy that
Speaker 3: wants to run the ball, control the clock, and play
Speaker 3: defense no matter what.
Speaker 1: So you reference Jalen, which I find interesting because Jalen
Speaker 1: Glover had some really good games for Utah football in
Speaker 1: really big moments, you know, in the past, and I
Speaker 1: think at one point, again not for nothing, there were
Speaker 1: some people that thought he could really be the next
Speaker 1: great running back in this program. Could never get off
Speaker 1: the pie. When he did, didn't do much, and now
Speaker 1: he's gone. What do you make of just the pretty
Speaker 1: rapid fall from grace a Jalen Glover.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think last year he had a
Speaker 3: five hundred, five hundred and fifty ish yards of rushing offense.
Speaker 3: I don't know how much of that came in like
Speaker 3: a starting role, in a complimentary role in mop up time.
Speaker 3: I do think, like obviously he was a talented kid.
Speaker 3: He was a four star kid out of Florida that
Speaker 3: chose to come to Utah, watched Zach Moss do Ittt
Speaker 3: as another Florida kid. I just think, Spence, we're in
Speaker 3: this era now where like it's you can't take it
Speaker 3: personally or you can't overthink it if a guy leaves,
Speaker 3: like sometimes it just doesn't work out at a school.
Speaker 4: And regarding Jalen, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: If Jalen is your number two running back and goes
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty reps wise with mackay, I don't think
Speaker 3: that makes Utah a better team this year.
Speaker 4: I just don't think he does.
Speaker 1: So last year when my guy, the Ferrari, was starting
Speaker 1: against Colorado, Jalen goes for one oh seven on seventeen carries,
Speaker 1: twenty five carries eighty six yards in that ugly fourteen
Speaker 1: seven win over UCLA. You know, some other decent like
Speaker 1: he was never sure an All American, but it certainly
Speaker 1: has experienced in the program. And yeah, three or four
Speaker 1: really big games as a starter in big spots.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now there are going to be, you know,
Speaker 3: more questions asked considering this is McKay's last year and
Speaker 3: there really isn't a quote unquote next guy in the pipeline.
Speaker 3: I know people are really high on Mike Mitchell, but
Speaker 3: Mike Mitchell hasn't stayed healthy all year. The Anthony Woods
Speaker 3: kid who transferred from Idaho people were stoked about, but
Speaker 3: I guess he got hurt way back in spring. It's
Speaker 3: it's an odd It goes back to what I was
Speaker 3: saying a couple of weeks ago. I think everybody just
Speaker 3: banked on so many things going perfectly right for Utah
Speaker 3: and very key positions, and one of them, oddly enough,
Speaker 3: turned out to be the running back position because McKay's
Speaker 3: been basically everything they've needed. But still they've lucked out
Speaker 3: in that sense.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: It's like like if Makai got hurt a few weeks ago,
Speaker 3: or like the second or third game of the year,
Speaker 3: Like this team is.
Speaker 4: In, they're up. They're up Bleep Creek real fast, for sure.
Speaker 1: All right, So game ends down on the field dodging
Speaker 1: water bottles. It wasn't just the b YU, it wasn't
Speaker 1: just the BYU cheerleading coach. I was dodging water bottles.
Speaker 1: Sean was dodging water bottles. They were coming down, they
Speaker 1: were throwing them at They were throwing them at Sean,
Speaker 1: a former Utah football player, has not been reported by
Speaker 1: the d News. Okay, but please can we get that
Speaker 1: one out there?
Speaker 3: A man who's literally won a million dollars for hurting
Speaker 3: somebody else. Yes, these people, these youngs man, how dare they?
Speaker 2: Yes, the youngs are out of control.
Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is they I don't
Speaker 1: know that anybody was aiming at anybody else. They were
Speaker 1: just coming down on the field and there was a
Speaker 1: lot of them, for sure.
Speaker 2: Do the thing. Say what's up to my guy?
Speaker 1: Klannie A Rod, Tom Homo, pay my respects, and then
Speaker 1: go up to the media room. And as I'm walking
Speaker 1: home at two am, two thirty, phone blows up, text
Speaker 1: DMS everything.
Speaker 2: Did you hear what Mark Carlin just said? I said, no,
Speaker 2: I'm walking home.
Speaker 1: Buddy sends me a link to a video on social
Speaker 1: I pull it up and I go, oh, my gosh.
Speaker 1: I thought he was going to be in so much trouble. Okay,
Speaker 1: so everybody's started by now. Quote I've been an athletic
Speaker 1: director for twelve years. By the way, is that long
Speaker 1: enough to like rag about I've been an athletic director
Speaker 1: for twelve years. This game was absolutely stolen from us.
Speaker 1: We are excited to be in the Big twelve, but
Speaker 1: tonight I'm not we won this game. Someone else stolen
Speaker 1: from us. I'm very disappointed. I will talk to the commissioner.
Speaker 1: This is not fair to our team. I'm disgusted by
Speaker 1: the professionalism of the officiating crew tonight. I thought I
Speaker 1: was going to wake up to an audio recording of
Speaker 1: Mark Carlin calling Brett Yormark asking him if he could
Speaker 1: find him two points for the game from Saturday night.
Speaker 1: But my first react, like, Brett Yormark is a sleeping
Speaker 1: with the Fish's Northeast sports executive that I'm sure when
Speaker 1: he woke up to this he went, oh, really, okay,
Speaker 1: I think forty k and a public reprimand is about
Speaker 1: as good as Mark could have expected after attacking the
Speaker 1: conference and the integrity of the officials. Your reaction when
Speaker 1: you heard it, and where are you at with it
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 3: So I was working on my story sitting in the
Speaker 3: plushy chairs away from the windows at Rice Cycles because
Speaker 3: it's a little chilli there and I wanted to stay
Speaker 3: warm and be away from all the other pecking of
Speaker 3: the keyboards. And it was piped in because they pipe
Speaker 3: in they pipe in wits presser. And as soon as
Speaker 3: he said that, like I just like I text Aaron.
Speaker 3: I text Aaron. I was like, did you get that
Speaker 3: whole thing? Like like, Luckily, Aaron's a way better journalist
Speaker 3: than me, and he recorded it as soon as Mark
Speaker 3: stepped to the lectern. But to me, Spence, the most
Speaker 3: surprising thing was him saying that he was happy to
Speaker 3: be in the Big twelve until Saturday.
Speaker 4: That was the That was the biggest part of the
Speaker 4: whole thing.
Speaker 1: The quiet part out loud, correct as the kids were correct.
Speaker 3: I if I'm putting myself in mark shoes and if
Speaker 3: he did just leave the locker room where those guys
Speaker 3: were despondent and what they needed more than anything in
Speaker 3: the world was to win that type of game against
Speaker 3: that team and to have that ending. I understand that
Speaker 3: the emotions of the moment can overtake you, but you
Speaker 3: just can't do it. It's a terrible look. I think
Speaker 3: val Hal, who used to be by us AD, spoke
Speaker 3: to somebody in the media this week, and you know,
Speaker 3: vow was saying how he was just done, like eighties.
Speaker 4: Never do that.
Speaker 3: But I conversely, I was listening to the Canzano Wilner
Speaker 3: pod this week and they had Rick Neuheisel on, who
Speaker 3: was really good. You guys should get Rick on because
Speaker 3: he's a very, very smart guy. John Canzano brought up
Speaker 3: a good point He's like, is there a world in
Speaker 3: which that move by Mark helps a groundswell of motivation
Speaker 3: from the fan base from like an nil perspective, from
Speaker 3: like anything, you know, and if you're taking this, if
Speaker 3: you're taking this, you know, happening from a different viewpoint. Maybe,
Speaker 3: But my immediate takeaway was it was bad luck. The
Speaker 3: game was not stolen from them. It was an obvious call.
Speaker 3: It's a brutal call, and I think it's a call
Speaker 3: that often doesn't go called because listen, man, even the
Speaker 3: most insanely zealous football fans know that there's holding on
Speaker 3: every single play. And I know that there were Utah
Speaker 3: fans who slowed down the video and said, oh, Van
Speaker 3: Fillinger was being held in the line, and then this
Speaker 3: guy was being held on.
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 3: But it's like, this is a subjective sport, like like
Speaker 3: officiated by human beings, you're going to have human error.
Speaker 3: I don't think the officiating crew. I don't think that
Speaker 3: the judge who threw the flag uns at my van
Speaker 3: was wrong though. I don't think that was an error.
Speaker 1: So right, excuse me, And I just would have loved
Speaker 1: to be there when Brett Yormar woke up and looked
Speaker 1: at his phone. The statement from the Big Twelve is
Speaker 1: as follows, ah pardon me quote. Mark's comments irresponsibly challenged
Speaker 1: the professionalism of our officials and the integrity of the
Speaker 1: Big Twelve Conference. There's a right way and a wrong
Speaker 1: way to avowaice concerns. Unfortunately, Mark chose the wrong way. Accordingly,
Speaker 1: the violation warrants a public reprimand and a financial penalty
Speaker 1: forty K. The Big Twelve Conference prioritizes professionalism, integrity, and
Speaker 1: fairness and will continue to do so. And look, Chris,
Speaker 1: it's it just feeds into this narrative and probably some
Speaker 1: of it's fair. Probably some of it's giving cowards online
Speaker 1: who utilize on the online presence to feel brave about
Speaker 1: themselves too much credit. But there is this thing in
Speaker 1: the conference like youth fans feel like they're too good
Speaker 1: for the Big Twelve, Youth fans feel like they should
Speaker 1: be in the Big Ten. And now it's a team
Speaker 1: that's won one conference game and their ad is kind
Speaker 1: of attacking the conference like this is not going to
Speaker 1: endear Utah football. It's and I don't know how long
Speaker 1: Utah football will be in the Big twelve. I don't know, nobody.
Speaker 4: Knows where anyone will be in right two three years, but.
Speaker 2: What if it's five, six, seven years?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And this is like, what's your alternative right now,
Speaker 1: there's not an invite from the Big Ten. You're gonna
Speaker 1: go back to the back twelve of the Mountain West. Like,
Speaker 1: this does not endear you to the other members and
Speaker 1: your peers around the conference, And I don't think it
Speaker 1: endears the fan base.
Speaker 3: Well, it definitely doesn't endear the fan base or you know,
Speaker 3: the university to their peers when something like this happens.
Speaker 3: But I will say, if the shoe was on the
Speaker 3: other foot, if Utah was undefeated and BYU was four
Speaker 3: and five and on a five game losing streak, and
Speaker 3: if Utah got that call, if a BYU defensive back
Speaker 3: holds Dorian Singer on fourth and ten and they get
Speaker 3: the call, they march down the field and kick a
Speaker 3: game winning field goal to me to remain undefeated, the
Speaker 3: exact same conversation is just is happening the other way,
Speaker 3: I promise you know what I mean. Like that's interesting
Speaker 3: part of this rivalry, especially like I know anybody in
Speaker 3: that situation is going to cry foul. But it is
Speaker 3: what it is. And like I told Sean when I
Speaker 3: was on the OC Show earlier this week, they still
Speaker 3: had to go fifty to fifty five yards. Cam calhounon
Speaker 3: dropped in interception the very next play that would have ended
Speaker 3: the game. Yep, I understand the frustration, but the call
Speaker 3: was the right call, and the defense still allowed that
Speaker 3: offense to go fifty to fifty five yards to get
Speaker 3: in field goal rinch for a good field goal kicker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't punt it five times and when you get
Speaker 1: the ball on the forty forty five, get fifteen or
Speaker 1: twenty yards and see if Cole can get you three.
Speaker 2: Because if you.
Speaker 1: Just had one half decent drive in the second half,
Speaker 1: it would have been enough, based on the final score,
Speaker 1: to potentially win the thing. I mean, there are so
Speaker 1: many other things to focus on as far as the
Speaker 1: failed performance in the second half. After hanging twenty one
Speaker 1: on BYU in the second quarter alone.
Speaker 4: I was amazed that they were able to score three touchdowns.
Speaker 1: For sure in the stadium is like, oh look at this,
Speaker 1: we finally have an offense with the Polts and they
Speaker 1: completely completely took the foot off the guests. What do
Speaker 1: you attribute the second half offensive failures too, most.
Speaker 4: Brandt getting hurt.
Speaker 3: I mean, he had his most involved game I think
Speaker 3: so far this year. I think BYU figured out what
Speaker 3: Utah was trying to do. I think once Brandt went out,
Speaker 3: I think it was obvious that Utah was going to
Speaker 3: run on first and second down and then try to
Speaker 3: throw a bubble screen or do you know, look for
Speaker 3: Dorian Singer as you should. But good teams find a
Speaker 3: way to win. It reminded me, like I hate to
Speaker 3: draw the analogies for Utah fans, but like in a
Speaker 3: weird way, it reminded me of like that eight season
Speaker 3: where you have to win ugly games if you're going
Speaker 3: to be there at the end undefeated, and BYU has
Speaker 3: so far. They won that terribly ugly game at SMU.
Speaker 3: Earlier on this year, they won a game that they
Speaker 3: should have lost to Oklahoma State when Jake retz Laft
Speaker 3: hits Darius Lassiter for a thirty five yard touchdown with
Speaker 3: ten seconds left, and then you have the good fortune
Speaker 3: of being bailed out on a holding call on fourth
Speaker 3: and ten, backed up against your own end zone, and
Speaker 3: then you still go fifth. I mean, listen as soon
Speaker 3: as Jake hit Chase Roberts, who made an amazing catch.
Speaker 4: I knew it was over. I knew it was over.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: And I mean they showed the slow Moe replay inside
Speaker 3: rice ecles and the fact that Chase was able to
Speaker 3: keep it was like two index fingers were able to
Speaker 3: basically keep the nose of the football off the ground
Speaker 3: by like centimeters. It was insane. But yeah, it's it's
Speaker 3: not a great lookin I think Mark's remarks were a
Speaker 3: culmination of a month plus long of frustrations boiling over.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's hard not to see like
Speaker 3: this team was on a on a five four game skid,
Speaker 3: they were facing their rival, had everything to play for
Speaker 3: or you know, in position to win, and the ball
Speaker 3: didn't bounce their way. And regardless, I think this program
Speaker 3: is in a place now that it hasn't found itself
Speaker 3: in ten years. I mean, I think twenty thirteen twenty
Speaker 3: fourteen were the two years that Kyle went five and seven.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's twelve and thirteen, but like, this is a
Speaker 3: place where Utah hasn't found itself under Kyle Winningham. He
Speaker 3: has two losing seasons in his career as head coach
Speaker 3: and he could be looking at a third and there
Speaker 3: were ten there were ten winning seasons in between.
Speaker 1: We'll get to the BYU side of this coming up next.
Speaker 1: BYU rolls in at number six in the second iteration
Speaker 1: of the CFP.
Speaker 2: But before we do, ck one more thing on this dynamic.
Speaker 1: And you've kind of alluded to certain things with this,
Speaker 1: so maybe you've already given me your answer. But from
Speaker 1: the second I heard Mark's comments as I was walking
Speaker 1: home on campus with the EarPods in, just my jaw
Speaker 1: hitting the floor, like what is going on? And I
Speaker 1: still haven't landed on anything. My thought was why. My
Speaker 1: thought was what? What? What did you think that that
Speaker 1: was going to accomplish? And whether it's college football or
Speaker 1: pro football or pro basketball or MLS or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: there's gotta be a Derek Gardunio, a Trey Fitzgerald at
Speaker 1: whatever it is, there's got to be somebody that can
Speaker 1: get in the way and in the ear of a
Speaker 1: coach or an administrator that is red hot before they
Speaker 1: cracked that microphone. And I saw it firsthand for years
Speaker 1: at MSG with Eric Gelfan. You met Eric because he
Speaker 1: was involved with RSLF for a while. He's now the
Speaker 1: pr director of the Jets where whether it's my father
Speaker 1: or pat Riley or Jeff van Gundy or whoever it was,
Speaker 1: Eric was a master at saying, pause for a second
Speaker 1: before you go out there.
Speaker 4: Oh tell me, Big Dave was going for the microphone sometimes.
Speaker 1: After absolutely a couple of different times. Every time there
Speaker 1: was a Nick heat brawl. Yeah, and a bunch of
Speaker 1: Knicks would get suspended. Everybody wanted to go go for
Speaker 1: the jugular because there was. And when David Stern announced
Speaker 1: the Knick suspension, this is a history lesson. Nobody gives
Speaker 1: a rip about I mean the heat not to you know,
Speaker 1: no pun intended was sky Heyden and Gelfan was always
Speaker 1: a master at understanding reading the room about okay, who's
Speaker 1: about to say something?
Speaker 2: They could get everybody in trouble.
Speaker 1: And I'm not blaming anybody up there, because look, it
Speaker 1: sounds like Mark just went rogue.
Speaker 2: He didn't have to do this.
Speaker 1: Ads don't address the media after a game, and I've
Speaker 1: just gone over all the scenarios, so he said in
Speaker 1: a statement which was not an apology. It missed the mark.
Speaker 1: It just did just say I'm sorry. And my guess
Speaker 1: is Mark would want a Mulligan.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I haven't talked to him.
Speaker 1: We've reached out to try to get him on the show,
Speaker 1: but he said in his statement he went in the
Speaker 1: locker room. I don't know the dynamic of the relationship
Speaker 1: between Mark and Kyle. Is there something like he wanted
Speaker 1: to prove to his head coach that he has his
Speaker 1: back because he was also on the field at the
Speaker 1: refs when the kick return was going on. So long
Speaker 1: way of asking a simple question, why do you think.
Speaker 2: He did it?
Speaker 3: My uninformed opinion is, can I say twenty five percent
Speaker 3: in you know, having his coaches back, twenty five percent
Speaker 3: speaking to the fans about the frustration in a very
Speaker 3: long season, and then I'm going to go fifty percent
Speaker 3: and just pure.
Speaker 4: In the moment.
Speaker 2: He's the moment.
Speaker 4: He's the moment. Yeah, Yeah, That's where I'm going.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Coming up next, we'll get to some BYU takeaways as
Speaker 1: and then we'll also get with Ck about the Colorado
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Speaker 1: One more big segment with Chris Comraddi coming up next
Speaker 1: on a Wednesday, not ESPN seven hundred, We GOTZK live
Speaker 1: in studio for one more big segment, typically a Friday
Speaker 1: staple of a staple of ours, but Leo's in daycare,
Speaker 1: so we get ck today.
Speaker 2: How's fatherhood?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: You enjoying it? Nobody warned me.
Speaker 2: I've warned you.
Speaker 4: Everybody warned me. I'm lying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, it is tiring.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to make myself out to be the martyr.
Speaker 3: I can do it. Everybody can do it.
Speaker 2: You can do it, for sure. I have faith in you.
Speaker 1: Oftentimes I'll think about my mother, who have many kids,
Speaker 1: six kids, and at one point it was five kids,
Speaker 1: eleven and under.
Speaker 4: I'm the oldest and old man's a little busy, right.
Speaker 4: That's like Lord of the Flies. Man.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was chaos.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was absolute chaosts. I mean everyone's good, yeah, alive
Speaker 1: and do it well. Yeah, but I mean moving cross
Speaker 1: country five kids, eleven and under and I had one
Speaker 1: and then I said the rest is up to you all,
Speaker 1: and they handled it just fine.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the check its flock is plentiful.
Speaker 4: Oh I can't imagine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think twenty one at this point with the
Speaker 1: only one on the way. Uh are we gonna get
Speaker 1: Are we gonna see more?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Man, don't pull that on that dare you?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: It's it is.
Speaker 3: It is funny, Like, you know, my wife is one
Speaker 3: of five girls and they're are they I'm jealous of
Speaker 3: that like giant family in that eventually the flock just
Speaker 3: takes care of itself. And I'm sure that's how it
Speaker 3: was with you, with you and your siblings as well.
Speaker 3: Maybe a little different for you since you were the oldest,
Speaker 3: you probably had more responsibility than others.
Speaker 4: But I I, for the life of me, I just
Speaker 4: can't imagine.
Speaker 3: I think it's because I had kids late too, like
Speaker 3: I'm thirty eight soon.
Speaker 2: So see, it's funny.
Speaker 1: And this is not a broad stroke statement, but it
Speaker 1: feels like a lot of people that were raised in
Speaker 1: big family chaos were jealous of the only children and
Speaker 1: the only children that weren't raised in the big family people.
Speaker 2: They wanted more siblings.
Speaker 4: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: But Leo's hanging in.
Speaker 4: He's cool, man, I mean like he's got an attitude problem.
Speaker 2: He's two.
Speaker 4: That happens, yeah, but he's chill.
Speaker 2: It's funny they go.
Speaker 1: You go through this thing where it's like they're boring
Speaker 1: because all you do is keep them alive. Yep, and
Speaker 1: there's not a whole death. Oh that's cute and he's adorable.
Speaker 1: Then they start to show some personality like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is fun. Then they hit that thing at two where
Speaker 1: you're like, what, what's your deal? Dude?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you negotiating with me? You wouldn't be
Speaker 2: alive if it wasn't for me.
Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many times I've wiped up
Speaker 3: spilled milk and soup and cheerios and strawberries, and it's like, what, man,
Speaker 3: I I've done so much to make sure you have
Speaker 3: all the nicest snacks at your disposal, and it's just
Speaker 3: never good.
Speaker 2: It's never good enough.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Moving on, all right, so we talked about the
Speaker 1: Utah takeaways from this. By the way, if you're just
Speaker 1: hopping in your car, Jayalen Glover has hit the transfer portal.
Speaker 2: Randon Rose officially is out for the year.
Speaker 1: Makai Pittman actually released a video explaining his side of
Speaker 1: things too. He's never a big part of the of
Speaker 1: the attack this year, but on BYU side of things.
Speaker 1: Before we get to where they're out in the CFP,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the takeaways from just simply another game
Speaker 1: where they answered every question that was thrown at them.
Speaker 1: And yes, there's an element of fortune to winning in sports,
Speaker 1: but that's not new. Okay, if you want to do
Speaker 1: something special, Lady luck shines upon you no matter how
Speaker 1: good you are.
Speaker 2: That's just the deal.
Speaker 1: So what did you make of what you saw from
Speaker 1: BYU on Saturday night, you know, after kind of settling
Speaker 1: in a little bit, you know, and ultimately again answering
Speaker 1: the questions they needed to do in the second half
Speaker 1: to get the win.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Again, I'm gonna harken back to my only other experience
Speaker 3: covering an undefeated team, which was sixteen years ago. And
Speaker 3: like I talked about this with those guys when I
Speaker 3: went down to Provo a couple of weeks ago. It's like,
Speaker 3: Lady luck does have to be on your side. Like
Speaker 3: Utah fans forget, I hope they didn't forget, but like
Speaker 3: when they beat TCU in that game, they had their
Speaker 3: kicker missed twice. Like the Oregon State win, they were
Speaker 3: down eleven with like two minutes ago, they came back
Speaker 3: and won. You needed a like six string wide receiver
Speaker 3: to block a field goal New Mexico. Like, all this
Speaker 3: stuff has to happen. So if I'm going to fast
Speaker 3: forward to Saturday, makes sense that Jake retz Law fell
Speaker 3: on like all four of his fumbles, like the in
Speaker 3: like the most odd fashion, the one in you know,
Speaker 3: deep in Utah territory.
Speaker 4: If Utah turns the.
Speaker 3: Ball over, you know, you take BYU out of the
Speaker 3: red zone and you have momentum. Then, like the double
Speaker 3: fumble on the bad snap deep in their own end zone,
Speaker 3: Jake manages to fall on it twice. It's just the
Speaker 3: way the cookie crumbles sometimes, and you have to win
Speaker 3: ugly games. That game was no doubt an ugly game.
Speaker 3: I think to me the takeaway was BYU faced its
Speaker 3: best defense that it'll face in the regular season so far,
Speaker 3: and that should only help Aaron scheme for the future.
Speaker 3: I do think they probably should have gotten the run
Speaker 3: game involved a little bit more. Granted, Utah's defense was
Speaker 3: very good, and I don't know if LJ. Martin was
Speaker 3: going to have a great night, but as we saw
Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter, once Hinckley Rapotti got in the game,
Speaker 3: he had a tremendous effect on that offense.
Speaker 4: Those last couple of drives so plenty.
Speaker 3: It's it's weird to say that a nine to Z
Speaker 3: team has plenty to work on, but this team does.
Speaker 3: And I think if you're a coach, like you know,
Speaker 3: Klannie told me it's like when you're undefeated, you're either
Speaker 3: riding the wave or you're, you know, guarding for pitfalls.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: He told me they're definitely doing the ladder, And especially
Speaker 3: after a game like that against Utah, I think their
Speaker 3: guard will be up going into this game against Kansas.
Speaker 3: I think it would have been a totally quote unquote
Speaker 3: trap game, and it still might be had they run
Speaker 3: all over Utah and been feeling a little high and mighty.
Speaker 3: But I think those guys have to understand that they were,
Speaker 3: in a sense lucky to get out of recycles with
Speaker 3: a win.
Speaker 1: Well, and I wanted to ask you that because on
Speaker 1: a scale of lucky to quest for perfection, awesomeness Where
Speaker 1: are you at with who BYU is as a team overall?
Speaker 1: Because even on Saturday Night, and there are a bunch
Speaker 1: of different ways you go with this, even on Saturday Night,
Speaker 1: the Keel and Marion kid takes it back for a touchdown, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: And early on they were not moving the football, and
Speaker 1: I'm kind of going, this could be like ten three, Utah,
Speaker 1: you know, this could be a really b why you
Speaker 1: can't move the ball?
Speaker 2: Low scoring game?
Speaker 1: Boom they get a kick return for a touchdown and
Speaker 1: that's just in a vacuum. Is a snapshot of who
Speaker 1: they've been all year. Whatever the night needs, they seem
Speaker 1: to be able to bring it. So on a scale
Speaker 1: of okay, this team has been incredibly lucky to holy smokes,
Speaker 1: they're very good.
Speaker 2: Where are you at on an overall macro view?
Speaker 4: Is it lame to say the middle? Is it okay?
Speaker 2: No? Because I don't know where I'm at?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say the middle at this point because honestly,
Speaker 3: they're an undefeated team that has blown out I think
Speaker 3: one team and it was that crazy Kansas State game
Speaker 3: where like they were out gained by two hundred yards
Speaker 3: and like lost the time of possession battle. But managed to,
Speaker 3: you know, score quickly every time they turn the ball
Speaker 3: over against k State, Like it's not a running, roughshot
Speaker 3: type team over its opponents. So I think that is
Speaker 3: to their benefit going into the stretch run of the
Speaker 3: season because as they have been up against it so
Speaker 3: many times. But I think the last three games are
Speaker 3: a little harder than we would have anticipated a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks ago. I mean, Kansas just beat Iowa State,
Speaker 3: who turns out is not a I mean, I guess
Speaker 3: in theory is still a Big twelve contender, but not
Speaker 3: at the same level of as BYU or Colorado. Arizona
Speaker 3: State is like the surprise. I think you can say
Speaker 3: it is the surprise of college football this year considering
Speaker 3: where they were last year and going down to Tempe
Speaker 3: is always a tough task.
Speaker 4: Houston.
Speaker 3: I'll just be basic and say they should win that game,
Speaker 3: but they're an undefeated team that still haven't played their
Speaker 3: best game. And I'm going to be that cliche coach,
Speaker 3: But like, if you can get to nine and oh,
Speaker 3: if you can get to November what was it the
Speaker 3: other night, November ninth, and be nine to zero and
Speaker 3: still not play that great of a game, it means
Speaker 3: in theory, if you're if you're trending upwards, and if
Speaker 3: you believe that you can reach an apex that's still
Speaker 3: out there, speaks pretty highly of where you guys are at.
Speaker 1: So we get the second iteration of the CFP rankings
Speaker 1: last night and Brigham Young comes in at six, which
Speaker 1: was one spot higher than I thought they would be seven.
Speaker 4: Okay, but they come in at six.
Speaker 1: Right now, when you look at the National Championship odds,
Speaker 1: the favorite to win the title is actually Ohio State.
Speaker 1: Then it goes Oregon, Texas, Georgia, Bama, Old Miss, Penn State,
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, Tennessee, Indiana, Miami, Clemson, SMU.
Speaker 2: Colorado BYU.
Speaker 1: BYU is plus ten thousand right now to win the
Speaker 1: national championship. So Vegas doesn't think BYU is National Championship good.
Speaker 2: I don't either.
Speaker 1: Look, it's as we've always talked about big ten SEC.
Speaker 2: It's different down there.
Speaker 1: It just is they have the biggest brands and the
Speaker 1: best teams in college football.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's debatable.
Speaker 1: Now, can any team beat any other team on any
Speaker 1: given day? TCU taught us that, yes, but then they
Speaker 1: got stomped in the National Championship game. But coming in
Speaker 1: at six, Chris actually lead a little space in my
Speaker 1: mind for the Big Twelve to potentially get two in.
Speaker 1: If this happens. If BYU enters the Big Twelve Championship
Speaker 1: at twelve and oh, yeah, I got to get through undefeated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've got to finish the regular season. They've got to
Speaker 1: handle their business three more times. They go to Dallas
Speaker 1: twelve and zero. We'll say Colorado handles their business. They
Speaker 1: go in as a two loss team. I think if
Speaker 1: Colorado beats Brigham Young and they obviously get the bid
Speaker 1: as the AQ you know, conference champ and BYU is
Speaker 1: a one loss team that was undefeated into the Big
Speaker 1: Twelve Championship, I now believe there's a chance they get in.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's done.
Speaker 1: I still think most of the messaging we get from
Speaker 1: college football folk is that they don't like the Big Twelve.
Speaker 2: It's a one bid league. It's the champion, that's it.
Speaker 1: But what do you think about that BYU stays clean,
Speaker 1: goes to Dallas, ends up twelve and one, losing to
Speaker 1: Colorado in a Big Twelve championship.
Speaker 3: I think if you're a BYU fan you have to
Speaker 3: hope that the insane schedule of the SEC cannibalizes itself
Speaker 3: the rest of the year. As I mean, if Georgia
Speaker 3: loses another game, I don't know if they're going to
Speaker 3: get it. But conversely, if they beat Tennessee, then they're
Speaker 3: way back in the conversation, and Tennessee is still going
Speaker 3: to hover in that conversation as well. Indiana and BYU
Speaker 3: moving up higher than most is felt like kind of
Speaker 3: an over correction after last week for both, especially considering
Speaker 3: Indiana is still undefeated in the Big Ten. I know
Speaker 3: they haven't necessarily played the type of schedule that other
Speaker 3: Big Ten teams have, but I think they play Do
Speaker 3: they play Ohio State next?
Speaker 2: They do? They do, so we'll learn more about.
Speaker 4: That, correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that that's going to be a huge
Speaker 3: kind of barometer for where we'll find the rankings for
Speaker 3: next week. I would like to think that a twelve
Speaker 3: and one BYU team with a theoretical loss to a
Speaker 3: Colorado team who, if they beat BYU, would be the
Speaker 3: number four seed. I would like to think that the
Speaker 3: playoff committee would give them a chance. But I agree
Speaker 3: with you. I think they're the the the people the
Speaker 3: folks out there are theoretically down on the Big Twelve
Speaker 3: at the moment in terms of being more than a
Speaker 3: one bid league, But I don't know, it would feel
Speaker 3: pretty hollow, and it would kind of harken us back
Speaker 3: to those times when, like even going back to the
Speaker 3: BCS era where teams didn't have a fair shot, or
Speaker 3: even the four team playoff where even undefeated teams as
Speaker 3: recently as last year with Florida State getting left out.
Speaker 3: So somebody is going to be pissed, somebody is going
Speaker 3: to be heartbroken. But BYU, if you're talking about BYU,
Speaker 3: they just have to handle their business over the next
Speaker 3: month and remain in the conversation because there's I mean,
Speaker 3: there's a world in which if some of these teams
Speaker 3: beat each other and other teams lose, like BYU could
Speaker 3: be as high as I don't know, could be as
Speaker 3: high as four going into, you know, the last week
Speaker 3: of the season. And if that's the case, I think
Speaker 3: it would be too hard for the committee to drop
Speaker 3: a top four or five team completely out of the
Speaker 3: rankings if their one loss was to a Big Twelve
Speaker 3: championship team.
Speaker 2: I agree with that.
Speaker 1: Now, it's always the caveat of what does the committee
Speaker 1: look at, what do they value? It feels like it's
Speaker 1: fluid and it changes every week, and then it feels
Speaker 1: like they make one dude draw the short straw to
Speaker 1: go talk to the media. He has no idea what
Speaker 1: he's talking about. He says ten different things. You're like, dude,
Speaker 1: land on the target man. But the Vegas favorite to
Speaker 1: win the Big twelve Championship right now plays their football
Speaker 1: in Boulder, which is where we find Utah coming up
Speaker 1: this weekend.
Speaker 2: You've been down there multiple times.
Speaker 1: You've done stories on coach Prime, and you've done stories
Speaker 1: on this team, and you know it's interesting because the
Speaker 1: headline is shad Or Sanders Travis Hunter. And honestly, I
Speaker 1: don't know that I've seen a player like Travis Hunter
Speaker 1: in my life in college football. It's insane watching what
Speaker 1: he does on both sides of the ball. But Lejont Webster,
Speaker 1: Will Sheppard, Jimmy Horn Junior all have over thirty catches,
Speaker 1: all are hovering at least over four hundred yards. Travis
Speaker 1: is about nine hundred yards over thirteen yards a catch.
Speaker 1: The Miller Kid is at twenty one point six yards
Speaker 1: per catch, and He's their fifties fifth wide receiver. They
Speaker 1: have seven wide receivers who have caught touchdowns, so they
Speaker 1: don't run the ball because they don't have to. Yep,
Speaker 1: the line opened up at ten. It's moved to eleven
Speaker 1: point five. You know, the Sharks or the wise guys
Speaker 1: like Colorado in this matchup, we've seen a lot of
Speaker 1: money go the way to the Buffs. Eleven point five
Speaker 1: is the line for Colorado. What do you make of
Speaker 1: the matchup early kick Saturday as Utah heads the Boulder Dad.
Speaker 3: Matchup for Utah, especially coming off the emotional toll of
Speaker 3: losing that game to BYU, it also tells me that
Speaker 3: Vegas doesn't think all that highly of Isaac Wilson starting
Speaker 3: this game.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 4: Not a shot at Isaac, but it's just it is
Speaker 4: what it is.
Speaker 3: We saw the line move at you know, back and
Speaker 3: forth when it was Isaac or Kamer earlier on in
Speaker 3: the year. I think it's just a totally different matchup
Speaker 3: than BYU. That being said, if Utah's defense can show
Speaker 3: up again, I do think they can keep Utah in
Speaker 3: a game against Colorado because the offensive line, while it
Speaker 3: has been improved, can whittle under pressure and they have
Speaker 3: a bunch of new players, and their left tackle is
Speaker 3: a five star true freshman kid who has been playing phenomenal.
Speaker 3: But I don't know if he's gone up against the
Speaker 3: likes of Van Fillinger, Connor O'Toole or Logan Fano, you know,
Speaker 3: in succession, the way that Utah can throw defensive ends
Speaker 3: at him. Offensively, I just don't know where they go.
Speaker 3: I honestly don't like. I think the offensive line will
Speaker 3: have to play its best game of the year in
Speaker 3: order to give Isaac time. I think if you're Mike Bajakian,
Speaker 3: you have to find a steady dose of Mackai Bernard
Speaker 3: and Mike Mitchell and Charlie Vinson and whomever is going
Speaker 3: to be running back now. And to me, it's going
Speaker 3: to be about treading water because Colorado they've fallen behind
Speaker 3: him games often, like as they as they did in
Speaker 3: Texas at Texas Tech last week. But they can score
Speaker 3: so fast and they're so dynamic like it it does
Speaker 3: kind of remind me of, you know, like those old
Speaker 3: video game teams where you would just have the best
Speaker 3: quarterback and have a bunch of receivers and just let
Speaker 3: it rip. They have I think outside of Ohio State,
Speaker 3: you can make an argument they have the best wide
Speaker 3: receiver corp in the country and all of them are transfers.
Speaker 3: That's the That is the Deon Sanders effect to a
Speaker 3: tee and give him credit, man. I mean, I know
Speaker 3: a lot of folks were up in arms for some
Speaker 3: reason about the way Dion did it. And he is
Speaker 3: a mercurial guy. I've you know, spent the better part
Speaker 3: of the last eighteen months trying to figure out who
Speaker 3: he is as a coach through various stories, and he's
Speaker 3: a very interesting guy. He's always been the same dude,
Speaker 3: going back to his time as a you know, superstar cornerback.
Speaker 3: But they're seven and two spence and they have they
Speaker 3: control their own destiny, and part of that is a
Speaker 3: testament to how bad the Big Twelve is this year.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think if if you're in a decent conference,
Speaker 3: I don't think Colorado is necessarily there, but you play
Speaker 3: who you got, and Colorado is playing a bunch of
Speaker 3: teams that aren't that great, and they haven't necessarily the
Speaker 3: best teams that they've played they've lost to so far.
Speaker 3: But you get hot at the right time, and that's
Speaker 3: all that matters, and the buffs are hot.
Speaker 4: You're gonna get on blue Sky. No you're not.
Speaker 3: No, I haven't been on social media in like ten days.
Speaker 3: It feels very nice. It's very clearing, the cleansing of
Speaker 3: the mind. It's a real thing, man. Like it just
Speaker 3: I just feel like, oh, I might as well just
Speaker 3: like work out or clean the house or just like
Speaker 3: go for a walk, shovel some snow.
Speaker 4: Do anything other than doom scroll or just like what
Speaker 4: am I doing?
Speaker 3: Like, like I thought about this, Like do you remember
Speaker 3: back in the day on the Internet when you would
Speaker 3: just like go to ESPN dot com to look for stories?
Speaker 3: Uh huh, just like, oh, like maybe I'll just go
Speaker 3: to this website in search of a store.
Speaker 4: I don't need.
Speaker 3: I don't need this like third party filter full of
Speaker 3: spam and all this other terrible stuff to get me there.
Speaker 3: It just it it. It is easier, but it's so
Speaker 3: unnecessary because we lived that life once upon a time
Speaker 3: and we were fine back then.
Speaker 2: First honestly, I still do that.
Speaker 1: I go to the trip yeah right, I go to
Speaker 1: Dean I read the local stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Then I go to ESPN, I go to the
Speaker 4: athletic and uh, I.
Speaker 1: Subscriber, of course from day one, you kidding, we're big
Speaker 1: supporters of the athletics. And then it's crazy because I'll
Speaker 1: pull up Twitter and then I'll just I stick with
Speaker 1: the following column, the following algorithm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but as soon as I hit.
Speaker 4: For you, it's like the seventh circle of hell.
Speaker 1: Bum fights, porn and like political like political bs.
Speaker 3: It's the weirdest thing and it's slow mode. Videos of
Speaker 3: Zemaia Von did.
Speaker 2: Not hold chase so many.
Speaker 1: In fact, I want to end on that because I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you what you make of the off
Speaker 1: field dynamic of this thing when it's like because people
Speaker 1: ask me all the time, what's the what's the most
Speaker 1: insufferable fan base?
Speaker 2: Utah b will and I say whoever went I'd.
Speaker 4: Say both were.
Speaker 1: Whoever wins that year is more insufferable than the other.
Speaker 1: But I always find it like a fascinating case study,
Speaker 1: like a society, societal case study of what we are
Speaker 1: in this market and in the state where you have
Speaker 1: BYU fans so badly want the moral high ground, so
Speaker 1: you get the send me every video you have of
Speaker 1: a ute fan swearing at you, send.
Speaker 2: Me every video you have.
Speaker 1: I watched a video of a young lady from down
Speaker 1: south who came up here to go to the game,
Speaker 1: and it's five minutes and essentially, I'll bottom line it,
Speaker 1: she wore BYU gear to the Utah stadium and went
Speaker 1: to a football game where some people weren't all that nice.
Speaker 1: It took her five minutes to unpack that, right, But
Speaker 1: of course it's like, so sorry you went through that.
Speaker 1: And then on the other side, it's the ute fan
Speaker 1: wanting to call out the hypocrisy of the folks that
Speaker 1: want to be holier than that would have the moral
Speaker 1: high ground, and it ultimately becomes this big stew of
Speaker 1: like pretty poor behavior from everybody involved.
Speaker 4: And like you, I don't live on the internet, so
Speaker 4: don't see a lot of.
Speaker 1: It, but I see enough of it where I I
Speaker 1: That dynamic of this game always fascinates me. I guess
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. How do you how do you
Speaker 1: kind of digest that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Those, I'll say both. I believe both programs hold
Speaker 3: one another in very high regard, and for obvious reasons,
Speaker 3: because the crossover, the cross pollination is so like rampant.
Speaker 3: This is a fan base rivalry. I'll just say that
Speaker 3: it is and and that's okay. It's a I don't
Speaker 3: like using the Holy War. I think it's a little
Speaker 3: huge fan it's a little much, but it's a rivalry
Speaker 3: that permeates through marriages and families and households and friendships,
Speaker 3: and it's it's awesome.
Speaker 4: It's why we watch it. It's why I think.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the numbers were, but I'm sure
Speaker 3: the numbers were really high from a TV rating perspective
Speaker 3: on Saturday night because the game always delivers and people,
Speaker 3: I mean fan is short for fanatics, and people are
Speaker 3: nuts and uh, you know, credit to them for loving
Speaker 3: their university or you know, whatever team they support. But
Speaker 3: let's just say, like, no matter who wins in what year,
Speaker 3: you're never going to be satisfied because that is just
Speaker 3: the nature of it.
Speaker 1: Yep, no doubt and the other dynamic that I just
Speaker 1: it cracks me up. I think it's so funny where
Speaker 1: you get like the YOUTE fan that sees the b
Speaker 1: YU fan who had a bad experience and he's like, bro,
Speaker 1: We're not all like that, I promise you, and then
Speaker 1: you look at his Twitter feed and all it is
Speaker 1: is just like attacking other people for things.
Speaker 2: The hypocrisy is.
Speaker 4: Wait wait, wait, you're telling Hlarious to me.
Speaker 3: You're telling me we live in a world where people
Speaker 3: are just awful to each other online.
Speaker 2: A little bit. I don't know if you notice.
Speaker 1: All right, man, great to see Okay, well chat too,
Speaker 1: Thanks man, Chris Comroddie staff Rider from the Athletic always
Speaker 1: appreciate his time.