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Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to a pre

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and Dip. I am Chuck Mockler joined by Adam Osden.

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William Updyke will be here, maybe Josephriah Ward. We're kind

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of just shooting the breeze today. Welcome, if you're new,

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when we're live, which is always a fun time. We're

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gonna talk LeVar Ball. We're gonna talk some of these

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Clippers pre draft workouts. There's a betting favorite thing happening.

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But Adam, since we have time, since you are taking

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time out of a party to be here, which we

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do appreciate. What's with the LeVar Ball LaMelo Ball to

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the Clippers? Videos like is this? Do we think LaMelo

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actually wants to come to the Clippers? What's up? Jeffrey Beil,

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tram Oh Adam Bailed, All right, it's just me right now.

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So LaVar Ball has made two videos about the Clippers

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needing to trade for LaMelo, which the Clippers don't need

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LaMelo Ball. I don't even think it's possible to give

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the Hornets what they would want. We can get the

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fans bow trade machine going, but LaMelo Ball. I don't

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want him on the Clippers because it's basically health, health

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and the fact that I'm not entirely sure he would

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bring as much team's success to the team that other

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people do. Exactly Alan, what do oh, Lonzo Ball? I

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don't know. Lonzo Ball would be great. Maybe there's health

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concerns with everyone in the Ball family. Adam Osland is back.

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He almost pranked me in a hilarious way, which would

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be here, which would be to be here five minutes

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early and then leave as soon as I introduced him.

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Speaker 2: I pranked him so good.

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Speaker 1: I got him. I was just talking about LaMelo Ball

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or LeVar Ball, and do you think this is actually

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them communicating something that LaMelo Ball wants or is this

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just for funzies?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I would think he'd want to just come home,

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come back to la and Charlotte doesn't have a ton

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going on and a ton of a direction. But he's

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getting paid handsomely there. They are invested in him. I

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kind of want to see what happens in this draft,

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depending on who they get, could that lead to them

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moving on from LaMelo Ball earlier than maybe we would

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have thought, like if if they were in the hunt

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for Dylan Harper. And when we were watching the draft

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process with the lottery balls, I thought, if they get

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the number two pick, that would be really interesting because

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then they'd be in the mix for Dylan Harper. And

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then would you want to move on from LaMelo Ball?

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And that would make him more in play for somebody

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like the Clippers. But who knows. I just think labar

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Ball wants his son's home, you know. And I'm sure

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they would like to come to la as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I totally understand that. And I don't

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know the Hornets are picking Forth. It's weird because I

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don't think the Spurs would take Harper, and what no

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one knows. I guess what the seventy six ers are

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Speaker 2: I think the Spurs will take them just because they

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have other guards. I think they'll take best available and

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figure it out as they go along. If they have

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to make another trade, trade Deer and Fox down the line,

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or Devin Bussel or Stafan Castle and just see what

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you have because unless they get KD, I don't know

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if they're necessarily in win now mode next season just because.

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Speaker 1: They have Oh, they can't be in win now. There's

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no experience to be in win now mode. Like, we

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don't know what they look like, what Webby looks. Not

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that I don't think he'll be great in the playoffs,

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but as we've seen, there can be surprises.

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Speaker 2: Unless they Roden KD or brought in and made the

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big trade for Johnson's in a kompo, I think Dylan

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Harper can still fit in their timeline, even though they

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have some other similar players out there. Like to me,

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you always should go best fit when you're in a

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situation like that, even when you have some of their

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talented guys out there. Excuse me, the best player over

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just fit. Just take the top end talent because if

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you move it down the line, like, there are ways

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to reconfigure the team later.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like you mentioned timeline. The LaMelo trade also

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doesn't fit in the Clippers timeline. I can't imagine what

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the Hornets would in return. My big issue with LaMelo

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is over the last three seasons, Kawhi Leonard has played

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fifty two more games than LaMelo Ball, and those fifty

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two games are also more games than LaMelo has played

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in any of those three seasons, the max being forty

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seven games. So that's like a lot. Maybe I've just

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been burned before, but that to me for what we

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would have to give up even to make the salaries work,

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and I'm assuming we're attaching some kind of draft compensation

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if this were to happen, I that that makes me

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not interested.

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Speaker 2: Ankle wrist injuries, And also I don't know if the

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proper motivation is there in Charlotte. Like I think it's

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clear that LaMelo Ball is a young player and may

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have some maturity issues, but it's also just kind of

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been a dysfunctional for franchise for a while where they're

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trying to find their way, So I don't know, there's

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a lot of variables going on. I'm still interested in

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him just because he's young enough to overcome those injuries.

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You can look at it that way too. People brought

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up the Steph Curry comparison. Well, he had ankle injuries

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at first and then was pretty much routinely healthy un

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till he had that risk injury much later in his career.

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My biggest thing is if you're not getting LaMelo, who

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you getting, like, who's on the horizon, who's going to

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be available later on? Of the young guys. Any young

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guy you bring in is going to have some flaws

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with a mellow it's playstyle. Does he played winning basketball?

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And also those injury issues with Jonathan Kaminga. It could

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be playstyle. He's just more of an unknown where his

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ceiling is how much money you're going to have to

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invest in him for a player that's that unproven At

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this point, I just don't know who else is coming. Like,

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if you don't take a risk with some of these

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younger guys. Luca's about to sign an extension, Sga is

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about to sign an extension. You're not going to be

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able to get a lot of these guys through free

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agency anymore. That's kind of been my position. So I

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get you're talking about timeline stuff. Does LaMelo really fit

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where the Clippers are at? It depends on what you

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give up for him. Would the Clippers then shift into

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a different mode if they had a young player like LaMelo?

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Because some people think, well, they can't give up right

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now because they don't have their draft picks and they

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want to still sell out at into a dome, so

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you can't just go into a total rebuild. But if

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you have a core piece of the future on the

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team now, then do you start to pivot in a

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different direction where you just start bringing in young guys

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and let them grow together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good call. I do like that kind

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of That does show the Clippers shift in kind of

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window or intention if they do trade for Lamello, because

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they do get younger with that trade for sure, and

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him being a local guy and a star would help

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fill into it. I want to talk about this take

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from Alfredo Rodriguez real quick though. My hot take. The

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NBA Finals might determine the Clippers move. If okay Se

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wins it, they may trade for Durant. Otherwise they'll stand

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working around the margins and looking to improve role players.

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I don't necessarily agree.

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Speaker 2: I just what's the logic. What is why do they

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trade for Durant if ok Se wins it versus if

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Speaker 1: Well, what is there? Baby? It is interesting now Manty

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little bit, Adam. This isn't a huge deal, And I

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don't mean that as a disrespect to Monty McNair, Like

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I feel like this happened and people looked up moves

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he's made. Again when he was part of that organization,

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Hornet's territory of how they were funcing in terms of

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owner and DM stuff. It's not that big of deal, right, Like,

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this isn't someone who's going to be picking our draft picks.

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Speaker 2: He may have some influence there just because he has

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had a pretty solid track record with Draft Fix, but

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he's next a he's a voice in the room. There's

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still Lauren Shrank below him as Trent Redd and than

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below him as Mark Hughes. He's not leapfrogging any of

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those people. My understanding, I think it's a good spot

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for him because from what I heard, he didn't do

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a lot of the calling or wheeling and dealing. He

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was doing more of the back room crunching numbers with

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analytics and researching on young players that way. But he

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wasn't like the vocal guy on the phone making those deals.

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That was Wes Wilcox with him before he left, right

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before Marty McNair had a parting of ways with the

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Kings back in April. So he's done some good things.

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but you can at least say he had the Kings

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with their best with their most successful season in about

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twenty years. And it hasn't been easy there, They've been dysfunctional.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a big part of I mean, obviously

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like that ground swell of hype and belief that Zacramentou

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this is this. They're functioning right like they're act They're

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doing what you're supposed to be doing, they're making good

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organizational decisions, and then they took a hard left.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I for one was very much against the

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Halibert move on day one, and even when they made

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the playoffs with Sabonis, I was like, guys, this the

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ceiling is low, Like this is this was not the

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correct move. So I just agreed about that. But it's

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also hard to know what did Monty McNair do and

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what was influence from ownership in Vivek, because he is

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said to be heavily involved at times with basketball operations.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a volatile owner. Where you don't know William

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Updyke is in the waiting room, but he will be

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back in a sec.

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Speaker 2: And keep waiting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a meir's birthday on Tuesday and the

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Clippers wished him a happy birthday, which was nice. He's

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a free agent. He's just still a free agent. Average

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three point six MILLI in his contract last year. What

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is the market for a mere coffee?

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Speaker 2: I think it's taxpayer mid level, So like I think

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that's five point seven million, somewhere around six million dollars

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because otherwise that's.

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Speaker 1: Kind of a lot, no disrespect to a mere coffee.

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But all right, we got William Updyke clocking in. William,

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how are.

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Speaker 3: You clocking into the stream like a clock into work baby?

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Speaker 1: Twelve minutes late, right on time. We're talking to mere coffee.

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What do you think he because he's a free agent currently, Adam,

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you had his value at what like five point seven whatever?

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Speaker 2: The I would guess, because like for him to do this,

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what was he making four million this year with the Clippers?

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Speaker 1: I think I think he was making his average was

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three point six.

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Speaker 2: So he's looking for some type of phraise and given

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how dry the market is, especially for guys at his position.

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I think you can get around six million.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Will, would you pay him mere six million?

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Speaker 3: Not for not for this team. I don't think. No,

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he's not in the rotation.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think he's coming back to the Clippers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Think he's it's a I'm the further away we get

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from that series, the more upset I get that he

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wasn't healthier this season, so we could have gotten some

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playing time, Yeah, because he looked bad when they played

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him when he was back, right like it, I think

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it makes sense why he didn't play in the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Or do you get two minutes against an olden state

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in that game? Anto, Yeah, I think.

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Speaker 1: He was uh. I think it was minus twelve in

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those two minutes. Now, but he just didn't have Like

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I think Will's right, Like, if if he's not in

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the rotation, it's just not.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, you know, it would kind of suck

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of the few guys we've really been able to develop,

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you know, from a late pick into a rotation player,

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but he's just not in the rotation, so I just

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don't see a utility there.

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Speaker 1: In the role or in the move Of previous Clippers

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role players, Tres being the most recent one, do we

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think he ends up a laker?

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Speaker 2: I think there's a decent chance they do have that

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taxpayer mid level to use. I could see it happening.

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Yo Ban Boja has talked about it. A little bit

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of the athletic that's as possible.

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Speaker 1: Formerly of the athletic, Yoban it was his last day

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today or the other day.

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Speaker 2: I think I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Dan Whykie's done at the La Times. It

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was like kind of a big day.

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Speaker 2: In a little bit. I did not know this.

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Speaker 1: Forty five minutes ago, he tweeted some news. Today's this

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is Dan Wyky, phenomenal reporter. Today's my last day at

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La Times. I've been so fortunate to spend eight years

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on one of the nation's top newspapers. I'll be sharing

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what's next soon, but I want to acknowledge how special

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the lat has been to me. So he's he's moving

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on to something else. And then Jovann, formerly a Clippers

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beat writer, moved on across the hall also said, yeah,

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he's departing the athletic it's his final day. He's also

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going to tell what's next later in the off season.

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So kind of a big shift in LA sports writing

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right now.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Oh, times are changing. Interesting. So it's like the

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Laski and Brad Turner and Dylan Hernandez.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it, basically, talk about a talk about a

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murderer's row of sports writers. Will wanted to get your takes.

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Someone said this in the chat we were just talking

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about LaMelo. M says, I just want a young and

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fun team again.

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Speaker 3: Ah, I'm here, I'm with you. I would just same time,

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like a team that occasionally wins some games, and Hornets

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haven't done a whole lot of that. I know LaMelo

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isn't the only issue there, but I just don't see

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that being I just don't see that being that great

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of a transition for the Clippers if I'm gonna be

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honest for you, but with you and like unless because

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of his availability, like you're able to get his next deal,

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like well under a max uh the max extension. I

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just I don't really know how you can build a

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team around that. If you're thinking of you know, just

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having a fun team in the intermediate and then you know,

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hopefully taking a step or building towards something. I just

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don't know if he's the centerpiece, not even I don't know,

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he's not the centerpiece to do that around.

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Speaker 2: It's in a contract for like four more years, I think. Yeah, yeah,

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and that's going on. I mean, are you million a year?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Seck, real quick, Adam, your audio is cracking a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Just to heads up, Yeah, you're cracking.

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Speaker 1: My favorite snack. I can't be bad at it. So

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he goes twenty five, twenty six will be thirty eight million,

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twenty six, twenty seven, forty one million, twenty seven to

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twenty eight forty four million, twenty eight, twenty nine forty

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six million, and then twenty nine thirty which I think

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we can kind of probably lop off twenty eight twenty

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nine because they'll probably sign an extension in between. Yeah,

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but I guess I guess what I'm saying for agent

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twenty nine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So that is one thing is like he he

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is under contract for a long time, and with the

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cap going up, maybe that looks better. But like the

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turnaround time on this is longer than three seasons to

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build around Mello into some sort of contender, right Like,

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there's no fucking pathway right now to where if we

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make whatever the trade is to get LaMelo whatever we

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half left to build a contender around that. I think

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it's going to take more than three seasons, and at

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that point you're looking at resigning, and then things get

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very messy. They're already messy with the cap where it's

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at right now. If he's making forty million dollars a year,

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I just don't think you can go around that.

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Speaker 1: Out of your back.

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Speaker 2: It depends on I guess who that other guy is.

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I just don't know. Okay, you don't want Mellow, you

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don't want Trey, you don't want Kaminga. Who are we getting?

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Guess who's the next? Who's the next guy?

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Speaker 1: What's Trey's contract?

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Speaker 2: Trey as one year? Yeah, this is it's a player option.

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After this year, he's going to opt out. He could

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be available.

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Speaker 1: And that contract will be crazy because he is opting

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out of a forty nine deal.

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Speaker 3: But I think the I think the reasoning is, the

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thinking is is that they're not going to offer him

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the max. So if they can't come to an agreement,

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like he's gonna most likely be shipped.

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Speaker 1: Gregory L would ask Hi, why would it take three

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seasons if Kawhi, Harden, and Zoo are still on the team,

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So who's can co exist on the court? Yeah at

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the same Yeah, that doesn't really work that well. And

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then especially because you're giving up a lot of role

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players in that scenario who are available.

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Speaker 3: Ish, I guess DJJ had some had some injury issues

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and norm I mean this was well not his least

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healthy season, but not not what we had hoped for

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from a health perspective. I gotta be and I gotta

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be real too. I gotta be real too, like be

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real forget about let's even forget about Harden. Does Kawhi

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have twelve wins at like the you see the level

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of physicality and like the level of the game is

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played at now in the postseason, does Kawhi, as the

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best player on a team, have the physicality to drag

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a team through twelve wins to make the finals? Because

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I don't know. I gotta be real with you, I

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don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: Not as the best not as the best player on

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a team.

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Speaker 1: It is a fragile duo with LaMelo and Kawhi.

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Speaker 2: Well, and if you're training for LaMelo, Let's also be

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real here, you're giving up both those first round picks

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because that's probably what it's going to take. And then

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the Magic because they don't have anybody that's the centerpiece

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of the deal to try to match salaries with Melow

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that would be that enticing. I think for the Charlotte Hornts,

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why would they want to package so much around Norm

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and DJ and Bogie for Melo? So they therefore, you're

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probably giving up twenty thirty and twenty thirty two to

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make them do this deal.

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Speaker 1: Can we trade twenty thirty two?

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Speaker 2: You can after July first?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this year. I like what Noah Bullock says, that's

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like a once in a blue moon health overlap. Yeah, unfortunately,

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probably correct. What's the speaking of contracts, I should look up.

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Harden's deadline is quasi soon.

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Speaker 2: It's June thirtieth, Yeah, for.

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Speaker 1: Ten days for him to opt in or out, which

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everything the scuttle butt suggests he will be opting out

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and signing a contract that lines up with Kawhi's deal

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year wise.

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Speaker 2: So we all assume. But it's been pretty quiet and

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what if James Harden wants three years. I just that

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would cause a big shake up. I think then we're talking. Okay,

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if Harden's not coming back, now do you trade Kawhi

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because he wants to be on a team as can

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like what happens would that could be a huge ripple effect.

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Speaker 1: If Harden, I will say, I hadn't thought about this

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until you just said it, which means I have analyzed

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it for forty seven seconds. But if if Harden doesn't

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come back, then I say, yeah, like let's ship Kawai

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right like then let's then let's then screw it, Let's

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go like as young as we can with big trades

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or something like that.

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Speaker 3: Then yeah, then keep keep zoo and just trying to maximize.

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Speaker 1: Value, like if hard because Harden is I know we

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all appreciated what Harden did for very good reason, but

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like you take him off this team? Who a who? Like?

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What does this team look like if Harden isn't able

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to gut out the regular season?

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Speaker 3: Well, especially with especially with the Normentury, this is the

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team that can barely score as.

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Speaker 1: Is right the game against the Piss and it kind

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of turned the season around that second nut of a

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back to back when things were looking pretty rough after

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the All Star break, Like, what does this team look

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like without James Harden? Like that's a and again, in

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this scenario, like Adam pointed out, we're losing him. We're

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not trading him for anything. He's just not He's opting

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out inside with another team. Like that's that's tough. Chris

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Dunn and Norm Power the starting backcourt. It didn't feel good.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not a fifty win team.

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Speaker 1: Telling you that, right, Like Adam, where you are, like,

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if Harden doesn't come back, I like that idea, A

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noted Adam. Oh see, I called him out. I called

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him out and he left.

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Speaker 3: No. Well, because in that scenario two, you're also losing

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Harden for nothing exactly, which like that that'd be a

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little bit of a tough pill to swallow. That like

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back to back free agencies where you lose a player

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for nothing. With the Paul George thing, I mean, we

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had to do it because of contracts stuff. But yeah,

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Adams back, Adam, you were you were thinking I took

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a thing too hard.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't handle that blow it up scenario for the Clippers, obviously.

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I couldn't wrap my mind around it. I couldn't wrap

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my Wi Fi around it. That would be that's the

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big domino. I keep saying that, Like what if Harden

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wants three years? Like, does that change everything with the Clippers?

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Really do that? Because this could be seen as he's

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thirty six, he wants one more deal, three years, one

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hundred million, one hundred and twenty million, something like that.

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I think he could make that argument. Now the Clippers

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gave up a first round pick for him, So are

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they pop committed? Do they feel like they have to

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do it? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I like this take from Nova writer who I did

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just ask if they actually write for Nova. No contender

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has the cap space he would want, because that's the

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other thing he probably Let's think about it. We talked

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about like, you know, this is LaMelo's best shot to

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make something happen with a team. Probably Harden's best shot

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too if he wants three years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Like, no, that's a good point. Everybody talks

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about Brooklyn is the only team that has cap space

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this summer, and I don't think they're running it back

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with James Harden. So does he have a ton of leverage?

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Probably not, and the Clippers don't either, Like they lose him,

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who are you getting who's replacing that production?

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Speaker 1: Come on down?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't be surprised if his two years eighty million.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think two years eighty million is something we

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should all be prepared for, which is worth it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not mad at that.

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Speaker 1: If the Clippers stick to this plan, it's worth it.

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Speaker 3: Like I know, people, as long as we're getting all

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these contracts to line up, you know, So, like Zoo

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is the only person on the roster, we can finally

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build around a true star. That'd be great.

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Speaker 1: So like this is like why not blow it up?

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We can still be competitive and blow it up now,

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can't Also blowing it up? Really blowing it up means

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trading Zoo. That the value he's.

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Speaker 3: The well in terms of getting value back, Yeah, like

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Zoo Zoo's the only way you're getting a good first

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round pick.

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Speaker 1: Like we're not trading Harden for like multiple first round picks.

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Kawhy is not going to be traded for multiple first

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round pick. Like, blowing it up I think is a lot.

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And we'd also we wouldn't be competitive. How would we

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be competitive if James Harden's off the team and Kawhi's

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off the team. We have young guys in draft picks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in the Western Conference based off of what in

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this hypothetical, like what type of blank canvas are you

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working with? And say I can still find a way

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to make us competitive this season. Blowing it up.

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Speaker 3: I mean in terms of a competitive we're talking about

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where this team would be if just even hard and.

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Speaker 1: Work exactly right. Like they had to win what like

471
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:12,160
ten of their final twelve to not end up in

472
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,640
the play in this year, and it cost him in

473
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,160
the playoffs. I like this point by Ghost, and I

474
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,680
do want to talk about this for a sec. Ghost says,

475
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,839
we're getting us the six to fourth center from Asia.

476
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:31,319
So the Clippers' workouts have been like I thought I

477
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,319
was maybe we were maybe getting pranked or this isn't

478
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,240
real news like the Clippers recently. If you listened to

479
00:27:39,319 --> 00:27:41,720
A two episodes ago, we broke down their workouts where

480
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,920
they've had some real workouts and some like marketing interesting.

481
00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:53,519
Two days ago they worked out the Bhutan Jokic for

482
00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:57,920
a training camp invite. They also invited dead Eye three

483
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,720
point shooter of Nepal Himalaan Basketball League for free agent

484
00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:05,200
workout last month, like they're working out guys who are

485
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,400
like a six eight center or like their highlights are

486
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:16,559
them playing outside? Just like I, I don't. I haven't

487
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:21,000
seen enough news about actual draft workouts. Not that I'm like, oh,

488
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:23,599
the thirtieth pick, it could be Yoki or something like that,

489
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,720
but like the only real one they've done is like

490
00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:30,519
Lamont Butler, Like am I freaking out too much about these?

491
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:38,559
Or like I don't know it? I appreciate it. I'm

492
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,759
very much in the weeds on it. Honestly, this is

493
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:41,960
how locked in you need to be.

494
00:28:43,519 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: Does everyone else's Reddit page have the same workouts going

495
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,000
on that the Clippers are doing?

496
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,519
Speaker 1: I checked it. I checked. No one's working out like

497
00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:56,759
shout out dominic Dar, like no one else is working

498
00:28:56,759 --> 00:28:58,920
out dark No one else is working out six three

499
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,119
guys who averaged two point two stocks in the Malaysian League,

500
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:05,759
Like I don't. May again, maybe I'm putting too much

501
00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:13,440
stock in it? Wait not, we don't. Did anyone dare

502
00:29:13,519 --> 00:29:15,880
us to be different? Do we have to do?

503
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: We dared ourselves?

504
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:25,279
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think they did work out a Filipino prospect

505
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,880
at some point, because that was kind of a crazy

506
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,920
like in turn, if you're doing the countries are doing,

507
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,759
it does feel kind of crazy to not work out

508
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:36,279
someone from the Philippines. So I I am reading too

509
00:29:36,319 --> 00:29:39,839
much into it, and I just need to just relax.

510
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,759
And the thirtieth pick is going to be fine.

511
00:29:43,599 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: Or traded.

512
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: Maybe it's traded. What does norm in the thirtieth get us? Okay?

513
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,599
I do like this note from Gregory. It has to

514
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,119
be the agent's taking over because it's so funny. If

515
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,960
you go to the Clippers sub reddit, it is hilarious.

516
00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:04,839
All right, So I'm reading too much into it. I

517
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:10,559
did see we got tipped off to a prospect whose

518
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,519
name I'm going to share the screen here because I

519
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:15,319
can't pronounce his name and I don't want to try

520
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:22,680
because I don't think I could do it. This guy

521
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:29,640
in the Serbian League, I'm not mad at ith. Yeah,

522
00:30:29,799 --> 00:30:33,079
why not? He's twenty years old. He's averaging fourteen seven

523
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:35,440
and three in the Serbian League last year. They think

524
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:40,559
he'll be good from three in the NBA. He's mocked

525
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:43,559
at thirty five, but like, well, I don't know about you.

526
00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:46,400
If you're mocked from thirty five, you could probably go thirty.

527
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:49,319
And I don't think people would be upset, right.

528
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:50,359
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.

529
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:55,319
Speaker 1: Go anywhere sixty three percenturi, he could go anywhere. He

530
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:59,240
could even go top ten. Let me zoom it a little.

531
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: Nobody wrote it down piece of paper and put in

532
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:01,839
the pocket.

533
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:07,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, you pancake eating motherfucker. So like he's got this

534
00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:12,279
to shooting, Like I don't know, he shoots. It's not

535
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:16,920
high volume obviously, but he can shoot. And he's young. Like,

536
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,119
who says, no, here, my god, let me turn this down?

537
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:27,039
Speaker 2: Like, why do the Yale guy? This is something that plagued.

538
00:31:28,279 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: Yale guy first.

539
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:31,279
Speaker 3: A little bit too.

540
00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:34,599
Speaker 1: But I was checking the Yale guy. He's mocked higher.

541
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,079
Yale guy is mocked. Like, but Adam, here's a question.

542
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,119
If you're mocked twentieth, could you also go thirtieth.

543
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, guys could drop that far for sure, especially with

544
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,759
the unknowns in this draft.

545
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think twentieth. Being mocked twentieth is the cutoff

546
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:57,920
for you could kind of go anywhere. And I don't

547
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,680
mean that disrespectfully to the prospects.

548
00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: From everything I've heard one through nine. Cool, we know

549
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,519
what's going on, we know who could be drafted there,

550
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,880
we know who the top two picks already are, and

551
00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:20,400
after nine things get a little bit hazy. And that's yeah,

552
00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:23,640
because guys are staying in college because they can make

553
00:32:23,759 --> 00:32:26,759
more with nil. And next year's draft's going to be

554
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,119
much deeper, but this year's going to be thinner at

555
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:33,000
the back half of the first round. So I don't know.

556
00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:35,920
There could be teams taking some real chances. There could

557
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:36,960
be guys who really drop.

558
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: You talk about taking a chance. Why don't the Clippers

559
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,000
take a chance on Dominic Dar?

560
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: Is that the five to six guy?

561
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: That's who you want with thirty?

562
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:50,799
Speaker 1: I want Dominic Dar at thirty. He averaged fourteen in

563
00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:56,640
a community college on thirty seven field goal percentage. They

564
00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:59,440
liked him, they had faith. That usage is.

565
00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:02,319
Speaker 2: Crazy church league legend.

566
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,839
Speaker 1: Maybe there was someone in the YouTube comments who said

567
00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:09,599
that he was a substitute teacher for their health class

568
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,559
at one point in high school, which was really funny.

569
00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:17,319
That's sick, all right. Another thing that's happening. There's not

570
00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:19,599
a whole bunch happening with the Clippers. The Clippers are

571
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:25,759
a betting favorite to land Terry Rosier, which is ironic

572
00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:30,000
if you know anything about Terry Rozier's recent off the

573
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:34,240
court situation. He's part of a huge gambling probe. He's

574
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:38,039
a twenty six million dollar expiring deal. He's very bad,

575
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:43,039
and again he's being investigated into a gambling probe. This

576
00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:47,799
isn't happening right, Like the Clippers would have to get

577
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:51,279
a first round pick to take this contract on, Am

578
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:51,680
I wrong?

579
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: They'd have to get something. They definitely have to get

580
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,440
a younger player out of it, and they weren't interested

581
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,400
in him. A couple of years ago, reports said I

582
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,119
wouldn't totally put it past him. Plus he's only thirty.

583
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:09,360
It's you know, can you revive his career as well?

584
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,400
I don't buy into the numbers that all of a

585
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,199
sudden he is that bad since he left Charlotte and

586
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,239
then like the second half of that season was really

587
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,679
bad in Miami and it continued last season two. It's

588
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,440
probably not that bad. It's just for whatever reasons, it's

589
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,239
a fit issue.

590
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, if you can't fit in with the Heat culture,

591
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,559
you know what we know is the pinnacle of professional

592
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:41,159
sports environment, where can you fit I don't actually believe that. Well,

593
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:42,719
you would you need a first round pick to take

594
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:43,559
Terryro's your own?

595
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, solely because of the fit and the guards and

596
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:53,159
like just the glut of guards we already had.

597
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, also, who's going out and they're not giving us

598
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,119
where there's no way that they're giving us where in

599
00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:05,519
the Terry Rosier deal. I would love that, but that's not.

600
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 2: Gonna Happenjimi Hawk is back to SoCal. I wouldn't hate that.

601
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: I'd be fine with that, But yeah, what do we

602
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:15,119
trade them? Because we have to give them twenty six

603
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:19,360
million dollars in contract? I would say, norm is that

604
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:20,880
Norman Bogie.

605
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 3: That's thirty six? Isn't that closer to thirty six?

606
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

607
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh but you're so Yeah, that would work. That

608
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,000
might work depending on who you're taking that.

609
00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: I think he might be starting in the back hoorn

610
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,719
next to Harden if they brought him in. Damn is

611
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:45,880
that is that wild?

612
00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:48,639
Speaker 1: I would hate that.

613
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: I called him in the past, like you know, premiere

614
00:35:55,559 --> 00:36:00,000
Reggie Jackson with his style of play, but it obvious

615
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:01,800
he hasn't looked good the last year and a half.

616
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and does the does the gambling probe scare you

617
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,800
guys off? And all for maybe trading for a player

618
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,559
who might.

619
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 3: Not gonna do it twice.

620
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:15,159
Speaker 1: If there's one thing, I already got it out of

621
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:16,920
the way. If there's one thing.

622
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,519
Speaker 3: Anything, I'm more worried about every player who hasn't been

623
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:23,119
busted in a gambling because it's just waiting to happen.

624
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:24,599
Speaker 1: I like that.

625
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 2: The thing is they set the precedent of Mpj's brother

626
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:36,280
got banned for life, right, yeah, so, and they can

627
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,280
afford to do that with him because he wasn't a

628
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,440
big name and they could make him the example. But

629
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:44,320
now the boy was to scare everyone else away from

630
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,519
ever doing that. This is from a game in like

631
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:50,679
twenty twenty three, I think, where Terry Rozier left the

632
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,719
game early with an injury and there were an inordinate

633
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,880
amount of bets on him to go over in that game, I.

634
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: Would argue that here's the thing about a gambling addiction.

635
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:06,760
Maybe it you serves the real world consequences of what

636
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,599
you're into, right, Like Jontay Porter, like he did not

637
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,840
need to get it was like a fifty thousand dollars

638
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,199
bet and he had like a two million dollars a

639
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,719
year salary. Like, it's not.

640
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 2: I don't know, anyone may be waiting. People could just

641
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:32,119
teams could be waiting to see how that investigation goes.

642
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,039
But right, that's a weird line.

643
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, if he's expiring, doesn't that kind of also fit

644
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,639
with the Clippers timeline though, because like if he's expiring,

645
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:42,840
then he's just off the team and we like get

646
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,480
a first round pick or a useful player out of it.

647
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they have to give him up, they have

648
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:56,119
to add something to entice teams to take him at

649
00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:56,639
this point.

650
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:05,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially too, like that seems like a lot the

651
00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:07,599
Clips would have to get a player because we're giving

652
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:09,559
up guys that we again, we need everyone on this

653
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:16,440
roster who is like tradeable, right, like yeah, of course, yeah,

654
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,159
like we out we over punched a little bit last season,

655
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,519
a little bit, not a lot, but fifty wins is

656
00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:25,880
a very good season for that roster that we had,

657
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:31,400
So anyone we give up is like we're we're losing

658
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:38,079
a little bit, like in terms of utility.

659
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see what happens with this one.

660
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,079
Speaker 1: And also this this goes back to the thing I

661
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:48,679
think we talked about it last week or two weeks

662
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,960
ago of like the Clippers are the betting favorite, so

663
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,760
like at this point, it's just like people were like, oh,

664
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,519
maybe the Clippers need Terry Rozier. Like betting people listening

665
00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:01,199
to this, betting favorites are not indicative of where a

666
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,679
player is going, I would say, in almost any way.

667
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, is it just based off the fact that they

668
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,280
were interested in him a couple of years ago? Is that?

669
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,000
Why is the betting favor with the Clippers?

670
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, right, Will? How much money did you

671
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,960
put on this? You put quite? You put your nest

672
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:18,800
egg on this? Right?

673
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:19,559
Speaker 2: Yeah?

674
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know me, I'm gonna I'm not gonna have

675
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:30,480
a shirt at all. Yeah, if this doesn't happen, but like, yeah,

676
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:33,559
they have to send out something of value because honestly,

677
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,400
nor Norm plus Bogie for Terry Rozier salary to match

678
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:41,880
in a first round pick, to me.

679
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 3: Is not enough.

680
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:48,679
Speaker 2: Enough.

681
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, for what the Clippers need as well? Right if

682
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,840
it's like done Bogie or because you don't need Don

683
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,320
and Rosier on the same team, they should never share

684
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:04,079
the court together.

685
00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:07,159
Speaker 1: But they would have you considered that.

686
00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:12,559
Speaker 3: But to lose Norm, which you know he has as

687
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:15,199
fall as a player, but provides something that this team needs,

688
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,280
and Bogie, who had his ups and downs. But I think,

689
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:23,199
you know, I think with a little bit more time.

690
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,000
I think that they could find a fit for that.

691
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,280
But yeah, that's it's like that doesn't seem like enough

692
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:33,840
value to me.

693
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:39,039
Speaker 1: You're a shrewd GM, which I appreciate, pat Riley.

694
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 3: One first round pick, and it's the heat, so it's

695
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,519
not like it's not a top ten pick.

696
00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:46,159
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be a great pick.

697
00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 3: And you're gonna lose, like you're gonna win thirty games

698
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,039
that season, maybe like you're probably gonna win thirty five

699
00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:56,039
games that season, so you're gonna have a shit season.

700
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,000
And like you get a middle like you know, you

701
00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:02,000
get like maybe it's a lottery pick. I doubt it.

702
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:09,599
Speaker 2: Well, all this betting talk has scared me out of here. Guys.

703
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,039
I'm gonna f peace out.

704
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,639
Speaker 1: Adam, thank you for popping in. Enjoy Norcow. You're in Sacramento.

705
00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:21,519
You are not in the Bay which everyone knows. There's

706
00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:22,079
a difference.

707
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: No Betton, no bats, no Bay Area tools here.

708
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: Right, let's go A's let's go Sacramento.

709
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,079
Speaker 2: And as for years, all right, be good, guys.

710
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: See buddy, all right, Nova Rider had this take that

711
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,760
they said that everyone would dislike if we aren't buying

712
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,000
medium on John Collins with Norm's contract, and Norm wants

713
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,960
an extension within the thirty million dollar range, and there's

714
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,199
a real argument to try and go get Jamorrow.

715
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,119
Speaker 3: No one's giving Norm thirty million dollars.

716
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:03,119
Speaker 1: I do hate that idea. No a rider Damar DeRozan,

717
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,239
Where Damar and Kawhi on the same team? What does

718
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:07,840
that do to us?

719
00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 3: Fun? It's fun, it's funny, It's very funny.

720
00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:15,159
Speaker 1: We would have we would be Team California. We would

721
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:18,920
be the most like you got like we have. We're

722
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,039
Team so cal all the way if that happens. But

723
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:26,440
the spacing would be atrocious.

724
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: I don't like. Yeah, I don't like the spacing. I

725
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:35,840
don't like the defense. What's a winning team with Damar Hunt?

726
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: You had Chris done to the starting lineup and Norm,

727
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,760
so you're starting four guards. You got Zoo out there,

728
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,480
he can guard three through five. We're kind of good.

729
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 3: No, I'm not a fan.

730
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: Well, how excited are you for this thirtieth pick? Will

731
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,159
this make a difference? Is this the least consequential pick

732
00:42:57,199 --> 00:42:58,480
the Clippers have had in sometime?

733
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 3: All of them? Haven't all of them been into and

734
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,679
three era? Any pick that we've controlled the rights too.

735
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: This one feels even less important if that makes sense

736
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,480
for some reason to me, nov Rider's saying, you really

737
00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:13,199
don't think there's a way that Norm can find a

738
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,880
twenty eight to thirty million dollar extension with some team.

739
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,199
I don't know, man, that's a lot of money.

740
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 3: How many years as how many years are less on

741
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,960
his dealer right now? Because he's I guess he's too.

742
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: Here's my question, did lou Will ever get thirty mil?

743
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,760
Because I think lou Will is kind of the archetype

744
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:37,719
of where Norm is at. But I don't. I don't

745
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,840
think he only scores. I love Norm, but all he

746
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,440
does is score, and I don't I'm not saying this

747
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:45,280
team needs scoring.

748
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,519
Speaker 3: We all know that, and he doesn't always even do that.

749
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,639
Speaker 1: But you know, he plays pretty good free safety defense.

750
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:53,400
But they've never had him run the pick and roll,

751
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:58,960
like he just doesn't do enough. Like lou Will was

752
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,840
part of the most efficient pick can roll at one

753
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:07,360
point of all time with Trez, and like Norm do that.

754
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:09,840
I don't think. Maybe he can't. We haven't seen it, but.

755
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: I don't know. He's thirty two, he'll be he'll be

756
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,440
thirty three at the end of the season. So I

757
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,800
don't know, man more than four for one hundred for

758
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,679
a guy who's thirty three years old and like likely

759
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,320
like a six man type of role on a on

760
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,639
a championship team, Like I don't. I do respect you

761
00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:34,400
think he gets more than four for one hundred.

762
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,199
Speaker 1: I do respect. No, three years old saying I don't

763
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:43,039
like it either. That's that's fair. Goofy As saying this

764
00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:45,280
pick feels more important because it's gonna be a player

765
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,239
going forward from the Koira. That's why I'm saying it's

766
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,559
not important because it's the last pick like this. She's

767
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:54,239
gonna be in the G League this year probably, and

768
00:44:54,239 --> 00:45:01,079
then there's another year of Kawhi, So I don't know.

769
00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 3: No, they're gonna be in the starting line on taking

770
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:11,119
Norm spat. Yeah, we gotta drive, we gotta drive down

771
00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:11,440
the town.

772
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:15,599
Speaker 1: We get that Yale guy on here. It's over. Ghosts says,

773
00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:17,559
one of the best players to watch in Clippers history.

774
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:20,679
Getting compared to Norm, Well, that's what the arch type is, right,

775
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,480
like pure scorers, who don't. I mean, Lou's defense was

776
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,239
worse than Norms, but they effect he was old, he

777
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,039
was older. Yeah, but they do the same thing. You

778
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:35,599
know what I mean, like just in terms of contract stuff, like, no,

779
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:43,199
Lou William's passed. That's true. He is the only player

780
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,480
to have a thirty point triple double off the bench,

781
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:49,679
right against Chicago that the snow game. I'm gonna do

782
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:50,840
some research on that real quick.

783
00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:58,679
Speaker 3: And with the Clippers he made seven, eight and.

784
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:06,199
Speaker 1: Eight, right, like if Lou can't. Yeah, so Lou Williams

785
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:11,239
has one triple for sure. Yeah, yeah, Lou has one

786
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,800
triple double in his career and it is off It's

787
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:18,480
a thirty one point ten rebound Tennis's triple double, I believe,

788
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,960
off the bench against Chicago when the Clippers were all

789
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:26,280
snowed in and everything. Remember that. Yeah, yeah, he's the

790
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,599
first bench He's the only person who will ever do that.

791
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,880
I think we can safely say, can you think of

792
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,119
any other bench player who could get a thirty point

793
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:43,719
triple double? God, Louiams ruled so hard. Great call that

794
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,840
Mexican Nara who was a passer. See, so what I'm

795
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,960
saying is Lou Williams did more than Norm Powell. So

796
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,719
I don't This is a long, very long way to

797
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,920
say something that both will and not agree on, which

798
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,639
is Norm Powell will not be getting twenty eight million

799
00:46:56,679 --> 00:47:01,960
dollars per year. It is weird to think about the

800
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,840
Norm trade because a lot of people who want to

801
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,719
trade Normal like, well, Norm can get us a first

802
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,400
round pick and some value, And you're like, I don't

803
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:15,280
think he can't, like a first round from a contender.

804
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,440
So a team again kind of will to your point

805
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:18,960
that like won't be bad.

806
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a lottery pick.

807
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: It's not a lot of pick. And if everything is

808
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:30,480
a very late first rounder, late first rounder. And so

809
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:32,360
here's the thing that Will and I were talking about

810
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,159
that if anyone can answer, would be great. If you're

811
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:39,000
a team that's going to compete, right and you're like, oh,

812
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,239
we're going to be not a play in team, we're

813
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,000
going to be in the playoffs, and you really believe

814
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:45,639
in it, and you just say, if it will be

815
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:47,320
in the second apron and your pick is going to

816
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,119
be the thirtieth or whatever, it is, like, what if

817
00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:52,519
we trade Norm and we end up getting a team

818
00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:55,800
that is oh yeah in that second hell right? Like

819
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,760
is that how that works? You know what I'm saying?

820
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: Totally, I could see you getting a first round pick

821
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:02,280
for Norm in that type of scenario where it's like,

822
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,760
we don't care about this pick. It's you know, it's

823
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,719
likely going to be twenty thirty. Yeah, here's a first

824
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:09,280
round pick.

825
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,199
Speaker 1: We're over this, like a team already over the second

826
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,639
Apron who really wants to make a run, gives you

827
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:18,239
their first for Norm, which is going to be the

828
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:25,880
thirtieth pick, no matter what. Yeah, it's that makes shit

829
00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:29,519
weird too, And if we're wrong, please put it in

830
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:31,440
the comments. I'm sure we're not totally accurate, but it

831
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:37,199
feels like something teams would do. Nova writer's onto something

832
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,119
they say. They bring it up because I don't know

833
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:41,559
what the realistic best case scenario for a Norm trade is.

834
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,159
It's literally just John Collins are being put into a

835
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:51,320
bigger deal for a third start. Yeah, that's kind of accurate.

836
00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:54,280
Like there's not a lot of like wiggle room right now.

837
00:48:54,320 --> 00:49:01,519
The free agent class is bad.

838
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 3: And Sons are second apron, right.

839
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I looked at him. It's like, I love this

840
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:08,480
logic so much. Clipper's preference as of late has always

841
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:10,840
been a player with at least an All Star appearance.

842
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:14,159
Colins is not made the ALSAR game. Get them off,

843
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,360
Get them off your list, everybody, what does dunk contest

844
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:18,119
do anything for you?

845
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 3: He dunked over an airplane.

846
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: I believe they dunked over an airplane. That was a

847
00:49:24,039 --> 00:49:26,760
cool dunk tribute wise. Okay, I'm gonna look up the

848
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,079
Sun's payroll, which ones have to type some of the mute.

849
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:32,519
Speaker 3: I'm positive there, dude, I'm positive they're over the second apron.

850
00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: Will you have for like fifteen seconds?

851
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 3: Yeah? So, I like, I'm positive that the sons are

852
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:40,679
over the second apron. So they can't like, they can't

853
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,000
aggregate salaries to come back. So that's like another thing

854
00:49:44,039 --> 00:49:51,920
that's gonna make the KD move very weird, very weird. Okay,

855
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:59,880
I'm back, because you can't aggregate salaries, so.

856
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: So they are per this I would say, incredibly extensive.

857
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,960
Uh post they are seven million dollars over the second apron,

858
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:14,519
with or without a KD trade, So they are like

859
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,920
locked into that second apron. They've been so messy in

860
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,920
the kitchen. They have fully put the second apron off.

861
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:29,159
Speaker 3: Okay, but you can still send it out. You can

862
00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:32,280
still send it out multiple salaries. You just can't do

863
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,280
business with a another second second apron team.

864
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,039
Speaker 1: Basically, well, they you can't aggregate salaries in the trade.

865
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:42,559
Speaker 3: No, but they can, like we can aggregate salaries going out.

866
00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:45,840
They just wa yeah, yeah, the Clippers could. Yeah, so

867
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:50,280
we could combine smaller contracts to take on kds, like

868
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,039
they can take on more small like small contracts that

869
00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:56,079
are that are equal. They just can't aggregate salaries going.

870
00:50:56,119 --> 00:50:59,039
Speaker 1: They couldn't trade for Harden if he was making eighty

871
00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:00,280
mel by putting guys together.

872
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, which makes things difficult too if you want to

873
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:07,880
involve with thirteen, because then it just gets really messy.

874
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,119
Speaker 1: So here's the thing too. If you stay over the

875
00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:15,360
second apron, if it's your third year over the second apron,

876
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,440
that's when your first round pick is frozen. A the

877
00:51:19,519 --> 00:51:21,719
year after that, the twenty thirty two first unk is

878
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:26,039
frozen and that pick slides the thirtieth overall. So this

879
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,719
is so weird, dude, I don't understand how this shit's

880
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,280
gonna work, because some team's going to figure out how

881
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,519
to take advantage of this where they're not in the

882
00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:34,800
second apron and then somehow they trade a first round

883
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,119
pick that's four years down the line and they I

884
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:42,639
don't know, So they are firmly a second apron team

885
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:45,239
like that is, and Katie doesn't want to go to

886
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:50,119
the Wolves or whatever. I don't know. Man, they're fucked.

887
00:51:50,199 --> 00:51:52,000
That's awesome. I hate the Suns.

888
00:51:55,639 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently they weren't fistfighting.

889
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: Now that I do believe that would that would be insane.

890
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:09,639
Speaker 3: Dude, like would have heard about it do a hundred poul.

891
00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:12,119
Speaker 1: During the season, someone in that locker room have said up.

892
00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:14,239
But I also this is my issue too with like

893
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:20,280
NBA fandom in general is so like online, including the media,

894
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,079
you know what I mean, Like it's a very Twitter

895
00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:27,480
heavy like social media based media thing, and so like

896
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:31,239
when player when ex players do things like lie like

897
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,679
whether they're like the soides were fighting or like I

898
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:37,039
could score eighty one points, it actually seems easy everyone

899
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:41,519
because they're so ut exactly everyone because there's so online

900
00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:43,239
just like digests it. And then it's like, well that

901
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,039
was a crazy thing to say. I mean, like yes,

902
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:48,280
but none of this is true, like yeah, and it's

903
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,639
also such a formula where it's like oh, you can't

904
00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:53,360
you don't play in the Big Three, or you just

905
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,760
got kicked out of the Puerto Rican League because you

906
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,159
were like losing it with fans just go on a

907
00:52:59,199 --> 00:53:02,280
podcast and lie a bunch and then maybe you'll get

908
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,039
the Kendrick Perkins job. You know what I'm saying. Like,

909
00:53:05,079 --> 00:53:07,800
it just feels like the pipeline is just lie, Like,

910
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,719
just lie a bunch and I like it, and we'll

911
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:16,320
put you on TV Nova. Rider brings up a good point.

912
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:19,039
I find it funny Katie back. He didn't back off.

913
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:20,280
He was just like, I don't want to smoke with

914
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:25,039
you specifically, which is fair that that's a business decision

915
00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:30,599
that I think was correct. I don't know, Will do

916
00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:32,920
you have any thoughts on the Clippers off season? How

917
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,920
are you feeling? I feel bleak, and I think maybe

918
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,039
that's just because the world in LA is crazy right

919
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:40,840
now and the team is kind of just probably running

920
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,000
it back next year.

921
00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. There's there's a lot going There's

922
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,440
a lot going on in the world. There's not a

923
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:53,840
whole lot to be necessarily excited about running back the

924
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,920
same roster, but a little bit older, uh, things to

925
00:53:58,039 --> 00:54:03,199
look forward to. Are you know, zoom maintaining this this momentum?

926
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,199
I mean, we still do have a top center in

927
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,559
the league, which you know is like unless they're at

928
00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:11,079
a yogic level isn't gonna win a championship, but it's

929
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:13,280
still a nice it's it's still a nice feather to

930
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,920
have in your cap. And who knows what what if

931
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,880
we did do something with thirty, Like what if we

932
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,440
even got a rotation level player? Can you imagine how

933
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,039
exciting even just that would be? Can you imagine how

934
00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:27,599
exciting a rookie who got any amount of time would

935
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:30,800
be on this squad of old wild hogs.

936
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,159
Speaker 1: That at point, honestly they.

937
00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:37,159
Speaker 3: Don't even have to be that good, just like, if

938
00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:37,639
they could.

939
00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:41,119
Speaker 1: Get better than the threshold, right if they.

940
00:54:41,039 --> 00:54:45,079
Speaker 3: Could regularly soak up five seven minutes a game, like,

941
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,880
could you imagine I would be? I would be over

942
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,159
the moon. I would be over the fucking moon.

943
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 1: Dude. If we got a guy who like whoa like

944
00:54:55,159 --> 00:54:58,559
X center that the Clippers drafted might be able to

945
00:54:58,599 --> 00:55:01,360
chip in like you said, eight and it's a game, dude,

946
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,199
that would be That's I've never thought about how low

947
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,199
my bar is uh for like draft excitement, well like,

948
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:10,760
but we just haven't had.

949
00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 3: An excite like an exciting young guy in a while.

950
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,840
I feel like, just can we just get that much?

951
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:16,920
Like they don't even have to be a future All Star,

952
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:19,880
MVP caliber guy. If we had somebody who could play,

953
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,880
if we had if we had somebody who could play,

954
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:27,320
a rookie who could play even a little bit on

955
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,360
a regular basis, I'd be over the moon, buddy. I'd

956
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:32,599
get the jersey immediately.

957
00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: And the thing that's rough is like, because the Clippers

958
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,000
haven't drafted a center or like, you know what I mean,

959
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:41,039
Like I and I know that we host the Clippers podcast,

960
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:44,559
I could not tell you who the the San Diego

961
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:47,360
Clippers center was last year. So I'm sorry for that.

962
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,239
But you know what I'm saying, like they're not going

963
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,119
to be good in the like, it would be awesome

964
00:55:54,159 --> 00:55:57,039
if the Clippers somehow, maybe I am excited for the

965
00:55:57,039 --> 00:55:59,920
thirtieth pick. Maybe meybeing in the weeds about these workouts

966
00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:03,079
was correct because this is an important thing.

967
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 3: And you never know, I mean, like, that's not the

968
00:56:08,039 --> 00:56:13,360
most insane outcome ever. You never seems it seems doable.

969
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,440
You never will happen, but it's doable.

970
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,280
Speaker 1: But we do have a body of work from the

971
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:28,280
Clippers draft lab that does tilt pache that is absolutely correct.

972
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 3: Uh No.

973
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:32,159
Speaker 1: The writer is a cam Christie believer. A lot of

974
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,480
people believe in Cam Christie kind of around I would

975
00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:39,440
say around the team too. That's some scuttle but we've

976
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:45,599
heard is that people like cam Christie. Yeah, I would

977
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:49,639
love to see it. Yeah.

978
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 3: Also, like goofy A is saying in the chat, there

979
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,440
are some teams in the Western Conference in a much

980
00:56:55,440 --> 00:57:00,519
worse spot. So I guess be glad is something to

981
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:02,159
look forward to during the season too.

982
00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: That's the other funny thing too, because it's like people

983
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,480
are like, let's blow it up, let's do this other thing.

984
00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:08,559
I'm like, could you Okay, So if you hate watching

985
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:11,960
this team when they're losing or when they're winning fifty

986
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:16,320
games and like, yeah, they're not going to win the championship.

987
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 3: Uh wait, people hated watching this team during the regular season.

988
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: Well, they the idea of the team that but you

989
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,519
know what I'm saying, they hate the team that's going

990
00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:30,119
to be competitive in the regular season, but ultimately you

991
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:34,920
know that in the playoffs the deck is stacked against you.

992
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:40,239
I guess people have voiced concern against that. I'll tell

993
00:57:40,239 --> 00:57:43,360
you what, I don't want to see a team suck

994
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,639
ass and not have a draft pick. All right, we

995
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:49,639
have a super chat from Jimmy Williams. You think Zoo

996
00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:55,920
is the only untradeable clipper unable? Honestly, I might wait,

997
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,599
hold on, this is a two part question. We're gonna

998
00:57:58,639 --> 00:58:02,400
take the first part, which is has written untraceable. I

999
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,840
think Kawhi might be the only untraceable clipper, but I

1000
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,360
think Zoo might be two will agree or disagree?

1001
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 2: Uh?

1002
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 3: I agree, but I think Zoo is maybe the most untraceable.

1003
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,079
He's got all sorts of foreign contacts and he can

1004
00:58:16,599 --> 00:58:19,800
he's away. He could disappear pretty easy if he wanted

1005
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:19,960
to do.

1006
00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, a born reboot with Zoo is born would

1007
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,440
be pretty sick. The Zoo identity.

1008
00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 3: Doesn't make any sense. He can't blend in anywhere. Wellspionage

1009
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,760
is like not sticking out a whole bunch.

1010
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: I think, wait, no, the bit is ever going. You're

1011
00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:44,199
a Viza Zoo bots and he just can't remember so

1012
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:47,119
and then Jimmy Williams, thank you by the way for

1013
00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:50,719
this super chat. Uh he said he amended it untradable

1014
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:58,360
in terms of a realistic deal for the Clippers if

1015
00:58:59,199 --> 00:59:03,280
they can't. I think he's untradeable outside of like a ya,

1016
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,920
honest deal. But I woulda be honest, if you trade Zoo,

1017
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:11,360
there's the center of rotation is garbage, Like it is

1018
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:16,039
the worst in the league. Uh so what I'm saying, Well,

1019
00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:18,239
that's a very good point. Okay, so we'd be better

1020
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,880
than the Suns at the center. But would you say

1021
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,159
he's untradeable.

1022
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 3: Looking at the contracts, I mean he's set up to

1023
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:34,599
be like the only the only player under contract, so

1024
00:59:37,079 --> 00:59:39,800
you know, that would be some indication to me that yes,

1025
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:44,360
they do plan on moving forward with him. I think

1026
00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:48,159
he's also though, like we're talking about, like he is

1027
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:54,519
the most attractive option in terms of a of a rebuild,

1028
00:59:54,679 --> 00:59:56,519
like if you want to get if you want to

1029
00:59:56,559 --> 01:00:01,559
get some sort of first round picks, especially now, or

1030
01:00:01,639 --> 01:00:04,159
like even get some of your picks back, which I

1031
01:00:04,159 --> 01:00:05,000
don't see happening.

1032
01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:06,719
Speaker 1: But uh.

1033
01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say he's largely untradable unless they just

1034
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:16,239
unless they fully decide to hit the reset button and

1035
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,440
they have some sort of fire sale. But I just

1036
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,320
think with the new arena and stuff like, I don't

1037
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,760
think they have any intention of like fielding a non

1038
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,079
competitive team. I don't think they have any interest in

1039
01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:32,760
fielding a team that can't win forty three games at like,

1040
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,280
which is yeah, in the Western Conference. I mean, I

1041
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,079
know that's like, it doesn't sound that impressive, but like

1042
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:40,079
that's not it's not easy.

1043
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: And he's also making like so in this current iteration, right,

1044
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,239
so he makes no money for the value and what

1045
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,360
he brings to the Clippers. He makes eighteen million next year,

1046
01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:55,079
nineteen and a half year after that, twenty seven to

1047
01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:58,599
twenty eight, it's twenty one million dollars. He's under contract

1048
01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:02,320
for three more seasons. Yeah, at an incredibly good deal.

1049
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,920
So like I think he's untradeable.

1050
01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're gonna Oh I like.

1051
01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:15,639
Speaker 1: This point, uh from type your name, how it's supposed

1052
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:18,480
to be pronounced starting the season with a fully healthy team,

1053
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:21,960
Kawhi included, and still consider an underdog. I'm good with that.

1054
01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:27,760
I like that Kawhi isn't excellent. Are you ready to Jim?

1055
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:32,760
Are you related to gym legacy? Uh? I like this

1056
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:34,360
take because sometimes that you have to let like we

1057
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:38,719
got the fully healthy training camp, no one's actually hurt,

1058
01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:44,480
which is unfortunately a huge deal for the Clippers team.

1059
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, absolutely absolutely, And like I you know, I

1060
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:52,760
guess I'm kind of grim on it. Just in terms

1061
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,199
of I'm watching the finals right now, and so you know,

1062
01:01:56,679 --> 01:01:59,960
right now, like this second, Well, I got the script,

1063
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,719
so I'm thumbing through that.

1064
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,159
Speaker 1: You paid some high school basketball players to reenact Game seven,

1065
01:02:06,239 --> 01:02:07,480
so you are you're locked in?

1066
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm thumbing through the script right now.

1067
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:15,239
Speaker 1: Excellent. Okay, MK, excellent, Thank you, MK, excellent. Sorry are

1068
01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:18,960
you related to Jim Legacy? Does anyone know who Jim Legacy?

1069
01:02:23,639 --> 01:02:27,159
Speaker 3: I forgot even Oh, I'm watching the I'm watching the finals, so,

1070
01:02:27,239 --> 01:02:31,400
like you know, there's just no path as currently constructed

1071
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:32,960
for the Clippers to get there. So I guess I'm

1072
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:34,800
a little bit down on that. But this was a

1073
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,239
hell of a fun regular season, and I you know,

1074
01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:40,679
I actually like I need to recheck in on it

1075
01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:42,760
because I feel like I've soured on it because of

1076
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:47,000
the way that things ended. But it was There were

1077
01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:49,679
some rough times, but overall it was a lot of

1078
01:02:49,679 --> 01:02:50,480
fun along the way.

1079
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna are you gonna rewatch all eighty two before

1080
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,280
next season? Probably probably probably run it back. We got

1081
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,360
the I mean we have, I got every tape on VHS,

1082
01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:05,480
Caine Carter saying come up with Kawhi trades. I don't

1083
01:03:05,519 --> 01:03:09,079
know what Kawhi's value is. I mean that, and I

1084
01:03:09,159 --> 01:03:13,000
mean this in a respectful way. I saw the Desmond

1085
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:18,880
Bane trade. I don't know what players. I don't know

1086
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,480
enough about every team to know what Kawhi is worth.

1087
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,000
And I mean that respectfully. Is there a team that

1088
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,800
would give us two first for Kawhi? Maybe, but they're

1089
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:32,400
probably a content I don't know how it works. I

1090
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,320
don't know. Also don't know what his value is because

1091
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,679
I think this year showed that he, as you brought

1092
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:42,760
up Will, can't be your number one in the playoffs

1093
01:03:43,159 --> 01:03:44,880
because he was the number one for the Clippers for

1094
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,559
one and a half games. Yeah, he played like a

1095
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:51,280
number one. I should say we love Kawhi.

1096
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 3: Yes, the league is it's too young right now, it's

1097
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,559
too physical, it's too fast. Love Kawhi. Do I think

1098
01:03:57,559 --> 01:04:00,199
he could be a contributor on the championship team? For sure?

1099
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:02,280
None as a number one?

1100
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: And that and that therein lies the problem with like

1101
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,239
what do the Clippers value? Like he signed less than

1102
01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:11,199
a max too, which is great in a vacuum for

1103
01:04:11,239 --> 01:04:13,639
trade value. But you're like, but it like what, I

1104
01:04:13,679 --> 01:04:16,480
don't know. It's a difficult thing to come up with

1105
01:04:16,599 --> 01:04:20,400
trade scenarios for other than like per the rules trades

1106
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:22,480
that just like work because we like them too.

1107
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,159
Speaker 3: But you know, it's a long off season. I'm sure

1108
01:04:28,159 --> 01:04:30,440
we'll have to devote an episode to that at some point.

1109
01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:36,559
Speaker 1: Will's hyped. Uh, we are going to be devoting an

1110
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:43,519
episode to whoever it's your trip to fan, trade to fan.

1111
01:04:45,239 --> 01:04:46,920
We're probably I think that about wraps it up. Will,

1112
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,079
Do you have any other large takes you would like

1113
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:52,079
to shoot off about the Clippers before we and don't

1114
01:04:52,079 --> 01:05:00,519
elaborate them at all before we head out?

1115
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:05,119
Speaker 3: Shimmer, Glitter, Sizzle, Los Angeles Clippers twenty five, twenty six.

1116
01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:08,159
Speaker 1: If that's the logo, If that's the slogan, and they

1117
01:05:08,199 --> 01:05:12,079
go more like for some reason, they they lose their minds,

1118
01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:16,639
and we're going for more of a Golden age of Broadway.

1119
01:05:18,039 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 3: I was thinking glam like seventies.

1120
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's tight. Okay, I like that idea. All right,

1121
01:05:26,039 --> 01:05:28,480
We're gonna do a live after the draft on the

1122
01:05:28,519 --> 01:05:34,280
twenty fifth, when the Clippers inevitably pick the next jokiic Stopper,

1123
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:40,320
the next Jannie uh imitation, whoever they pick at thirtieth

1124
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,800
we all know is going to be great. They've done

1125
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,639
very well on these late round picks before. Well, where

1126
01:05:46,639 --> 01:05:48,039
can these people find us? Because we are going to

1127
01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:50,960
put this out on audio and in addition, where they

1128
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:52,840
can find us, where could they go to watch us

1129
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:53,440
if they want to.

1130
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can catch these streams live. You can. You

1131
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,639
can hop in be part of the combo over on

1132
01:05:57,679 --> 01:06:02,119
YouTube dot comments at Clippers podcast. We're also wherever you

1133
01:06:02,199 --> 01:06:05,440
get your podcasts over on It's raining on Charles right now,

1134
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,960
over on story about Fie Apple Podcasts, wherever you listen.

1135
01:06:09,639 --> 01:06:11,360
But yeah, thanks for checking us out. I know it's

1136
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,199
the off season, but let's go Clippers fans.

1137
01:06:14,639 --> 01:06:16,559
Speaker 1: Let's go Clippers fans. If you're watching this in the

1138
01:06:16,599 --> 01:06:19,559
off season, you are legit. Like I said, we'll be

1139
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:22,440
back on the twenty fifth. Thank you every for hanging out.

1140
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,679
Thank you for Adam Osen for doing the stream for

1141
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:28,440
his car. Not new, but we always appreciate it. We

1142
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,440
will be back and as always, let's go clips.