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<v Speaker 1>In a live man like this man letting butterfly flapping

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<v Speaker 1>and wing big down in the forest. Man, it gonna

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<v Speaker 1>cause the tree fall, letting five thousand miles away. Many

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<v Speaker 1>nobody see, nobody else you might see what you don't

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<v Speaker 1>need to know. Man, you don't they like you followed

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<v Speaker 1>another story and you got back to feel like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the way, Man, go back to na on the panel. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>Now you don't think better? Man, You know.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a few things as rewarding as finding a

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<v Speaker 2>hidden jam. A piece of media, whether a book, a novel,

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<v Speaker 2>a movie, TV show that no one else seems to

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<v Speaker 2>have noticed, but has a lot of quality to it. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>we understand it's mass media, it's never made just for you.

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<v Speaker 2>But the movie that Andy and I are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be discovering, it's like that. I think I saw some

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<v Speaker 2>mutual years ago recommending this film, and without doing any

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<v Speaker 2>research at all, I pulled it up. The Kid Detective

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<v Speaker 2>came out in twenty twenty to mixed reviews and very

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<v Speaker 2>limited box office success. Failed to make even a tenth

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<v Speaker 2>of its three million dollar budget back. And I never

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<v Speaker 2>understood why it's a great film. It's a very profound

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<v Speaker 2>film at once funny and heartbreaking, and explores many of

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<v Speaker 2>the generational issues that my guests and I have been

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<v Speaker 2>speaking about. What is it to be a gifted kid,

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<v Speaker 2>someone with promise, who followed the instructions of older, well

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<v Speaker 2>meaning people, only to find your life in ruins, in shambles.

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<v Speaker 2>You're an abject failure for following. Parents are looking at

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<v Speaker 2>you ascants, asking you when you're going to get a

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<v Speaker 2>real job and grow up. And this movie has a

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<v Speaker 2>in it. It's very profound, but it's not wrote. The

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<v Speaker 2>solutions and the dilemmas in this movie are real, they're complicated.

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<v Speaker 2>It isn't just the trite pull yourself up by your

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<v Speaker 2>bootstraps or shut up dad, the future is now old man.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a real conversation, a real back and forth, and

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest, a pretty compelling mystery as well. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a great film. I think you should see it. When

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<v Speaker 2>Andy and I discuss it, we get about forty minutes

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<v Speaker 2>through before we get into spoilers. So just watch it right,

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe listen to the first forty minutes, then you stick

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<v Speaker 2>around for us discovered or discussing the conclusion. But I

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<v Speaker 2>recommend it. It's ninety minutes something you can watch with

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<v Speaker 2>the woman. She'll probably enjoy it, And yeah, I enjoyed

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<v Speaker 2>it a ton, both when I watched it the first

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<v Speaker 2>time and then going back through it earlier this week.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you'd get a lot out of it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting right to see things that are ahead of

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<v Speaker 2>their time, and I view this movie as being ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of its time, both in the generational discourse that we've

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<v Speaker 2>been in for seemingly years now, but also in its structure.

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<v Speaker 2>This movie was a small project headed up by a

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<v Speaker 2>single auteur, not a lot of money, and it might

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<v Speaker 2>have been too early for that, but as we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>with the success of both Obsession and The Back Rooms Movie,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the direction the industry is going, and so

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<v Speaker 2>it's sort of one of these great what ifs. If

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<v Speaker 2>this movie came out now, I think it would be

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<v Speaker 2>a huge success. People are ready for it on multiple levels,

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<v Speaker 2>but it remains that a what if possibility. So I

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<v Speaker 2>highly recommend The Kid Detective. The premise is a little goofy.

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<v Speaker 2>The main character is sort of a hearty boys Encyclopedia Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>As the title says, Kid Detective now grown up in

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<v Speaker 2>a depressed any town ussay, and he discovers a real mystery,

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<v Speaker 2>a real murder connected to his own past in some

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<v Speaker 2>way the Case that Got Away. And if that premise

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<v Speaker 2>sounds stupid, okay, fair enough. This movie is in some

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<v Speaker 2>ways lighthearted, but it is a real heart to it,

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<v Speaker 2>not just that the stakes raise dramatically becomes a real

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<v Speaker 2>serious movie, but also it deals with very real problems.

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<v Speaker 2>What is it to grow up? What is it to

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<v Speaker 2>lose your innocence? And what if getting it? Making it?

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<v Speaker 2>Becoming a success? What does that do to you? What

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<v Speaker 2>does that do to you as a man? Like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>great film, I can't recommend it enough. So without further ado,

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<v Speaker 2>here's the discussion with Andy Edwards before we get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Though I guess I shouldn't say without further ado and

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<v Speaker 2>then distract from that. But if you want the episodes

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<v Speaker 2>early and ad free, you can throw me a few

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<v Speaker 2>bucks on Patreon, substack or gum road.

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<v Speaker 1>It's what I do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's how I support myself and how you get access

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<v Speaker 2>to my stuff without annoying casino apps. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>wish I had the option to do, you know, something

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<v Speaker 2>a little more professional, you know, sell you dog food

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, mortgages. I guess that's what people do,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe even raid shadow legends, but I don't have that.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's the way I can do this in a

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<v Speaker 2>way to support myself is by ads. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>they're annoying, and as a way to get out of it,

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<v Speaker 2>you might have to pay the toll. It's not a lot, right,

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<v Speaker 2>It's about a cup of coffee, and I put out

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of content, right you guys on the free feed,

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<v Speaker 2>you aren't missing anything. I'm not holding out on you,

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<v Speaker 2>but as sort of a sweetener, obviously, you get rid

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<v Speaker 2>of the ads and you get the content a day

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<v Speaker 2>or so early. Anyway, here's Andy Edwards. All right, Andrew Edwards,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the Jay Burden Show. How you doing, man?

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<v Speaker 1>Good? Glad to be with you, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're here to review one of my favorite movies. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>not a movie that you know really has It's sort

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<v Speaker 2>of an undiscovered gem in my mind, not one you

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<v Speaker 2>hear often referenced. Kind of an interesting, very very small

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<v Speaker 2>budget film, but one that's really struck with me since

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<v Speaker 2>I watched it the first time, you know, five six

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, and so I'm curious before we get into it,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you like this film Andy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's my dog perfect timing. I gotta say, as

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of alluded to before we hit record, this

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the best recommendations that I remember ever receiving.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's got to be in you know, whatever you say,

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<v Speaker 1>top five, top ten, like of recent memory. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a I don't so I looked up a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. I had a little bit of time to

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<v Speaker 1>do some research, which I think we can get into.

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<v Speaker 1>But man, it was I mean five out of five

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<v Speaker 1>all day, ten, ten, whatever you're going to say. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it falls into this very interesting genre that I hope.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we've actually talked about it before. I know

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked about it on at other places. It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of this emergent subgenre of them. It's a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a mashup right of like Fish out of Water

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<v Speaker 1>with the noir detective character. But it's not entirely just

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<v Speaker 1>tropy like that. It's it's more, it's deeper. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is again if you want to touch on this, there's

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit to examined there. But overall, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>general big big picture impressions, I don't remember a better

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<v Speaker 1>movie like of this budget maybe ever I mean, this

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<v Speaker 1>is this thing is hitting so far above its weight

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<v Speaker 1>that it's to me anyway. I know that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of this is personal. All movies are personal, right you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know Little Mermaid is going to hit a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit differently than Chinatown for a grown man maybe. But

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<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason I was, I wasn't floored because I

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<v Speaker 1>had so much flowing through my mind after I watched it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was ah highly, highly impressed, deeply moved. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So we are talking about the twenty twenty film The

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<v Speaker 2>Kid Detective, which, as I was telling Andy, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I saw it somewhere on the Internet and because it

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<v Speaker 2>was COVID time, just sort of threw it on the TV, right,

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<v Speaker 2>very little research, had almost no expectation in it whatsoever,

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<v Speaker 2>and is really captivated by this film. The premise is

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<v Speaker 2>pretty simple. Our leading man, a Abe apple Bomb, is

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<v Speaker 2>sort of an Encyclopedia Brown esque character. You know, when

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<v Speaker 2>he was a young teenager, he was the talk of

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<v Speaker 2>the town, given to the key to the city for

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<v Speaker 2>solving the sort of simple small town mysteries, right, who

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<v Speaker 2>stole the money from the fundraiser inconsequential things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But when we meet him, he's a thirty two year

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<v Speaker 2>old loser right living in a rundown apartment, still running

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<v Speaker 2>the same business. His parents are constantly getting on him

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, hey, man, when are you going to

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<v Speaker 2>get a real job. And what sort of incites this

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<v Speaker 2>forward is he gets an actual case the murder, the

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<v Speaker 2>horrific murder of a student at the local high school,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's sort of what draws us into this film.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing I noticed actually right off the beginning is

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<v Speaker 2>that this movie has a real soundtrack to it, which

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<v Speaker 2>is uncommon in especially very low budget films. But it

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<v Speaker 2>actually has an orchestral score, which is rare in films period.

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<v Speaker 2>And you'll hear very kind of traditional film orchestral music

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the whole thing. And of course there's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>pop music of course kind of relevant to whichever era

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<v Speaker 2>we're in, but it's something you don't see a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>And this movie has a really unique kind of potent

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<v Speaker 2>combo of humor and like really serious drama to it,

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<v Speaker 2>and having one does not cheapen the other. And especially

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<v Speaker 2>for a movie that came out in twenty twenty, it's

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<v Speaker 2>so rare to see a film that balances those well,

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<v Speaker 2>because there are laugh out loud moments in this you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's moments where the dialogue is very switty and funny,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the conclusion to it is I mean to say,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a gut punch as an understatement, Andy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I thought about this this morning as

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<v Speaker 1>I was preparing to talk with you, like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to touch the ending. I don't want to because,

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<v Speaker 1>like I mean, it was Yeah, I mean, you said

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<v Speaker 1>it pretty pretty succinctly, and I think, very well, Jay

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<v Speaker 1>is there's this mixture of very serious action and and

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<v Speaker 1>but this constant I want to I wanted to say

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<v Speaker 1>as I was watching it, I kept sensing like the

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<v Speaker 1>boomer versus guy, and I came up with this idea

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<v Speaker 1>like it's a post boomer movie where gen X had

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<v Speaker 1>this whole thing like, well, it's all ironic, and that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't really true. And then they tried to put this

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<v Speaker 1>on the millennials or whoever comes after gen X, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's not really true. This movie somehow is very very

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<v Speaker 1>special in this specific way and the way that it

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<v Speaker 1>managed the seriousness of the topic, even in the title

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<v Speaker 1>The Kid Detective, and even when you first started talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it, like the first few things you say about it,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like a some shit I'm not really into,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some sort of mash up little kid movie.

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<v Speaker 1>It isn't that at all. And it reminded me along

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<v Speaker 1>the way of something a mutual friend of ours has

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<v Speaker 1>said that guys in our generations probably mind being oldest,

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<v Speaker 1>and on down the line, we're not really becoming men

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<v Speaker 1>in the classical sense. It doesn't matter how how tightly

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<v Speaker 1>how much you work out, how like dialed in and

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<v Speaker 1>focused you are. It's really a contextual issue. I think

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<v Speaker 1>where the waters we're swimming in are are defining not

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<v Speaker 1>just the possibilities, but but the ways that we can react.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's forcing something very much like the tone

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<v Speaker 1>that like, the tonality of this film is what is

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<v Speaker 1>so brilliant, I mean just brilliant. To me. I'm crushed

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<v Speaker 1>by the way that this thing was a flop. Supposedly

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<v Speaker 1>it was like three million bucks and they made less

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<v Speaker 1>than four hundred thousand dollars on it. The guy, I

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<v Speaker 1>of these other examples are hitting on the thing. It's

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<v Speaker 1>at a writing level, like you were sort of suggesting

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<v Speaker 1>just to the action and the plot, which are all superlative,

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<v Speaker 1>and your hero is dude, deeply profound. In my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I think the reason that it speaks to

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<v Speaker 2>you know this this first disappearance happens. It's of Abe

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<v Speaker 2>She's the mayor's daughter, and she goes missing. And unlike

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<v Speaker 2>This is a real, very serious event. And when we

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<v Speaker 2>We see this moment later in the film where his

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then it's like, well, what is what is.

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<v Speaker 2>Pursuing your dreams look like when you're thirty? Right, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>if you did it, you know, you're basically doing the

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's interesting the characterization of the town

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<v Speaker 2>in and of itself, right, this kind of small town

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<v Speaker 2>willow Brook in Canada, because there's a really sort of

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<v Speaker 2>and when he's a kid, you know, he's the hero

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<v Speaker 2>of the town. You know, all the townspeople are waving

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<v Speaker 2>to him and smiling and shaking his hand, and it

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<v Speaker 2>His disrespectful goth secretary is you know, telling him that

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<v Speaker 2>like a complete wreck, and there's there's graffiti everywhere, all

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<v Speaker 2>the towns are kind of or all the shopfronts are

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<v Speaker 2>boarded up. But you see the people around him, even

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<v Speaker 2>in that look at him as a failure. Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a great sort of recurring character which is the in

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<v Speaker 2>the ice cream shop owner, right, And we learn that

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<v Speaker 2>he is, you know, as a kid, was given free

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<v Speaker 2>ice cream for life, and now he's a thirty two

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<v Speaker 2>year old man still cashing in on that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>something that happened, you know, over fifteen years ago. And

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<v Speaker 2>you could just see the disgust on the guy's face, like,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that that tension between a sort of

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<v Speaker 2>promising adolescence and a faltering adulthood is one that I

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<v Speaker 2>think a lot of people have experienced.

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<v Speaker 1>You hit it on the head, buddy, I mean the

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<v Speaker 1>nail on the head. I have experienced that. I continue

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<v Speaker 1>to sort of experience that every person, every like longtime

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<v Speaker 1>friend that I know. You know, it doesn't really wash

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<v Speaker 1>anymore to imagine that success in our current set of

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<v Speaker 1>social organization is something to really be all that proud of.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not to say that, well, I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>say one thing before because I'll forget it later because

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<v Speaker 1>you touched on it right there, this issue with his parents,

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<v Speaker 1>which is hilarious. I hope that listeners. It's very difficult

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<v Speaker 1>for Jay and I to translate this because this is

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<v Speaker 1>such a brilliantly like built movie. It's it's it's got

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<v Speaker 1>like those that that masterful, delicate touch of the Coen Brothers,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also its own thing. It's not really derivative.

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<v Speaker 1>So in speaking about this relationship with his parents, you think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, that's kind of the stakes there are

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<v Speaker 1>sort of low and and right, I mean, but they're not. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>there's some very heavy stuff going on at that topical

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<v Speaker 1>like push pull action level of the movie. But the

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<v Speaker 1>way that that is integrated with the mentality of our

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<v Speaker 1>main character is brilliant, and it's it's more than brilliant.

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<v Speaker 1>It's u It's one of these things we're like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what movies were supposed to do. They were

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<v Speaker 1>sort of supposed to make dudes like me and you

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<v Speaker 1>maybe have a sense of some Catharsis, you know, like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm not the only guy out here doing this

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<v Speaker 1>because there are little moments of this movie. That that

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<v Speaker 1>I said before we hit record, like hit quite deep,

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<v Speaker 1>and and nothing more so than the issue with the parents.

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<v Speaker 1>But you also touched another on another bit, Jay that

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<v Speaker 1>this ass so the world he's in has also decayed,

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<v Speaker 1>and I it's not a political film, like it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem to be saying, oh, this is about nine to

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<v Speaker 1>eleven or some jive like that. And it's also not

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<v Speaker 1>just some solipsistic thing where this this hero of ours

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<v Speaker 1>who's not been able to you know, bring his his

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<v Speaker 1>gifts to fruition. He's living in a in a decaying society,

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<v Speaker 1>independent of whatever his accomplishments are, and that plays in

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<v Speaker 1>I think deeply into into that revelation at the very end,

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<v Speaker 1>which to me was a revelation, but you know, not

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of climactic end, but the the denoment sort

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<v Speaker 1>of end. Dan new Maw, however that you know you

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<v Speaker 1>want to say it, but I'll hand it back to

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<v Speaker 1>you because I think I think the stuff with the

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<v Speaker 1>his environment, uh it is is part of the magic

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<v Speaker 1>of this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>No definitely, and you see that repeatedly when you know

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<v Speaker 2>people are asking him questions about this investigation, his initial

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<v Speaker 2>instincts are incredibly childish, because that's the entire body of work.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. For instance, when the plot shifts when Carolyn,

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<v Speaker 2>can you solve the murder of my boyfriend who has

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<v Speaker 2>been pretty horrifically killed, stabbed fourteen times, found in a river?

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<v Speaker 2>And we do get this sort of again kind of

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<v Speaker 2>sense that the town has changed. When the park that

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<v Speaker 2>he's been you know, walking through as an adult and

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<v Speaker 2>flashing back to what it was when he was a child,

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<v Speaker 2>well it's you know, police arm in arm looking through

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<v Speaker 2>the water with flashlights, right, sirens and the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, yes, so we get that sense that he

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the comedy in this film. And there

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<v Speaker 2>are no real jokes in this movie, per se. There

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<v Speaker 2>are funny situations, but you know, there's never sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a wink at the camera. And there's one which is

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<v Speaker 2>a really horrifically grim scene where he has you know,

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<v Speaker 2>started to unravel the mystery, and he has gone to

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<v Speaker 2>the parents of the murdered boy, and he's laying out

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<v Speaker 2>what he thinks is happening at this kind of intermediate stage,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the boy's father asks him a simple question like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>He's not a bad kid. He was framed for it

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<v Speaker 2>that the murdered boy. And you can see on his

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<v Speaker 2>I'm keeping my mind open. But the kid's boy or

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<v Speaker 2>the boy's dad knows. He says, what, you just believe

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<v Speaker 2>the first thing that anyone tells you, You're an idiot.

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<v Speaker 2>And it is funny because you realize at the same

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<v Speaker 2>time he's actually did just believe whatever anyone told him.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's also a complete gut punch because the kid's

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<v Speaker 2>dad is obviously distraught. He storms upstairs and his child

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<v Speaker 2>has been murdered. And that's a sort of good for

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of balance of like there is a part

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<v Speaker 2>of this movie that's darkly funny. Another example is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he is a massive loser, and so when we see

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<v Speaker 2>him interacting with other people, they all kind of pity him,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll kind of want him to get over it and

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<v Speaker 2>get a real job. But also just the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>them around and her grandma is like convertible the saber

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<v Speaker 2>or something. She's his driver. And there's never a moment

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<v Speaker 2>where it's really played for laughs, but it is just

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<v Speaker 2>a funny situation, like this guy's a massive loser, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know there he is able to redeem himself. And

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<v Speaker 2>but it's a continually just amusing film.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of like this constant sort of disappointment one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm jumping ahead a little bit in the timeline Jay,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's there's the investigation, if you will, moves on

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, and it's you know, it's pulling our

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<v Speaker 1>hero forward. And he winds up in the cop shop

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<v Speaker 1>talking to I guess he was black or this dark

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<v Speaker 1>that like vulnerable moment where he he's saying, like, why

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<v Speaker 1>when I inquired about the case that I couldn't solve

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<v Speaker 1>when I was a kid, which sort of sent me

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<v Speaker 1>into this downward spiral that I'm still in now. I

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<v Speaker 1>think these are the same. I might be conflating things here,

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<v Speaker 1>but the chief says, you know, a very like basic

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<v Speaker 1>a missing you know, a missing child, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>we can't depend on a twelve year old boy to

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<v Speaker 1>solve this case, like this was some serious shit, and

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<v Speaker 1>guy's life. You know, he we may not. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>he does have skills, like he is smarter than most

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<v Speaker 1>people around him. If you haven't has that line. But

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<v Speaker 1>the game, and then I woke up one day and

415
00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:28.480
<v Speaker 1>I realized, wow, I'm not even in the game. The

416
00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:31.640
<v Speaker 1>game has just blown me by. So to me, this

417
00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:35.960
<v Speaker 1>is like truly genius stuff of the like of the

418
00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:40.000
<v Speaker 1>the most important bit. And it leads to this cop

419
00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:44.079
<v Speaker 1>at saying like, at some point in your life, you're

420
00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:47.759
<v Speaker 1>going to have to decide, you know. The implication is

421
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:51.559
<v Speaker 1>to grow up or whatever. And this might be for you.

422
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:54.839
<v Speaker 1>He's saying this as the new case that you're on,

423
00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:57.319
<v Speaker 1>this might be the moment where you need to do that.

424
00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:00.880
<v Speaker 1>And the cop is not saying, hey, but you need

425
00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:03.720
<v Speaker 1>to give up this bullshit about you know, you're some

426
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:07.759
<v Speaker 1>like detective, you're a kid still in you know, in

427
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:11.720
<v Speaker 1>a man's body. The cop doesn't actually say that to him,

428
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:17.000
<v Speaker 1>whereas the nemesis later does allude to this, like maybe

429
00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:20.000
<v Speaker 1>it's easier to just give up, you know, maybe it's

430
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:23.920
<v Speaker 1>easier to just give up. And I didn't catch it

431
00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:26.839
<v Speaker 1>as it flowed by, but then right after the movie,

432
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:30.000
<v Speaker 1>I realized these are little polar voices. This is the

433
00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:32.160
<v Speaker 1>evil and this is the good, and the good is

434
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:37.279
<v Speaker 1>not saying to you this condescending sort of shit that

435
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:39.200
<v Speaker 1>he gets from his aunt, which is like, well, you

436
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:41.160
<v Speaker 1>know you're following your dreams and there's nothing more you

437
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:43.319
<v Speaker 1>can do, then that's just great. You know, eventually it'll

438
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:46.039
<v Speaker 1>all come together. No, it won't just come together just

439
00:27:46.039 --> 00:27:50.480
<v Speaker 1>because you follow your dreams. You're going to make some

440
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:54.680
<v Speaker 1>sort of internal transformation born out of the pain that

441
00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:57.880
<v Speaker 1>you're going through and you're going to define yourself? Are

442
00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:00.680
<v Speaker 1>you this dude, no matter what anybody he tells you,

443
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:03.839
<v Speaker 1>or are you not? And to me that was the

444
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:09.160
<v Speaker 1>crux of the whole movie because in the end, it

445
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.559
<v Speaker 1>isn't as if he has some rocky like you know,

446
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:16.519
<v Speaker 1>some rock like dig deep. He just simply will not

447
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:20.640
<v Speaker 1>let go. You know. That's to me when he kind

448
00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:23.640
<v Speaker 1>of he's just hanging on to these bits, these clues.

449
00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:26.920
<v Speaker 1>And eventually, even though all of this stuff has come

450
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:32.000
<v Speaker 1>down the line, you know, he turns that corner and

451
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:38.400
<v Speaker 1>it isn't like spectacular, but it is again happening all

452
00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:41.279
<v Speaker 1>within the plot of this very serious stuff, which does

453
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:43.839
<v Speaker 1>wind him back to where he ends up in the film.

454
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:46.039
<v Speaker 1>But I wanted to touch on that thing out the

455
00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:51.720
<v Speaker 1>cop alone seemed the warrior sort of archetype presents to

456
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:57.799
<v Speaker 1>him in a very neutral like, sort of well detached,

457
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:01.359
<v Speaker 1>a non invested way. He just simply says, maybe this

458
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:03.799
<v Speaker 1>is the thing that's going to determine for you whether

459
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:07.119
<v Speaker 1>you grow up or not. But what growing up is

460
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:10.440
<v Speaker 1>isn't quite what it what I think most people would imply.

461
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's the interesting thing about the several things

462
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:20.880
<v Speaker 2>there which one and ought to speak carefully about this

463
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:25.359
<v Speaker 2>to avoid spoilers, but that conversation at the very end

464
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:28.000
<v Speaker 2>of the film or the climax of the film is

465
00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:33.519
<v Speaker 2>echoed earlier. They have a conversation about the school where

466
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:37.480
<v Speaker 2>this happened, and the same character says, some days you

467
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:40.799
<v Speaker 2>just want to give up, right, sort of at least

468
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:46.440
<v Speaker 2>planting that idea in your head earlier. There's a couple

469
00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:50.480
<v Speaker 2>things in this that I want to mention because if

470
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:53.799
<v Speaker 2>you look at the end of the film and Andy

471
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:57.559
<v Speaker 2>and I are dancing around how this film has resolved,

472
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:02.160
<v Speaker 2>not because of it's a real, you know, m Night

473
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Shyamalan style head scratcher, like, oh, you won't like once

474
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:08.119
<v Speaker 2>you know the secret, the movie doesn't have any value.

475
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:11.920
<v Speaker 2>But this movie is genuinely, very very good and you

476
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:14.079
<v Speaker 2>should watch it. And I don't want to rob you

477
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:18.359
<v Speaker 2>of that, you know, coming into everything dropping into place,

478
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:21.559
<v Speaker 2>because I have watched this film two or three times

479
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:24.680
<v Speaker 2>now and it holds up remarkably well. But I don't

480
00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:26.680
<v Speaker 2>want to take that from you. So that's why we are,

481
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:30.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, sort of dancing around it. But there's one

482
00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:32.519
<v Speaker 2>thing that I want to mention that is sort of

483
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:35.880
<v Speaker 2>a source of a lot of the levity in the movie,

484
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:40.799
<v Speaker 2>which is the sort of gap between his methods and

485
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:43.559
<v Speaker 2>the situation he is involved in. You know, we've said

486
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:46.960
<v Speaker 2>he is a kid detective, and so one of the

487
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:49.559
<v Speaker 2>things he talks about, there's sort of monologue talking about

488
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:51.720
<v Speaker 2>his career. You know, he's like and then there's the

489
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:54.720
<v Speaker 2>moment where you know you're sneaking into the house. You

490
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:57.240
<v Speaker 2>realize you know they're coming in, so you hide in

491
00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:00.559
<v Speaker 2>the closet, hold your breath, and then you sneak right

492
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.279
<v Speaker 2>the classic moment you've seen from any film. And what

493
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:06.640
<v Speaker 2>makes it so funny is that that moment happens twice

494
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:10.119
<v Speaker 2>in the film. Yeah, and every time it goes about

495
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:12.839
<v Speaker 2>as horribly as you can imagine. There's never a moment

496
00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:16.720
<v Speaker 2>where it works. And there's this great contrast between you know,

497
00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:19.599
<v Speaker 2>that this flashback where he's sneaking into some old lady's

498
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:23.039
<v Speaker 2>house as an impetuous twelve year old and she opens

499
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:25.839
<v Speaker 2>the door and she goes, oh, you rascal, and then

500
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:28.400
<v Speaker 2>the moment which ends him up, you know, which which

501
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:32.000
<v Speaker 2>leads to him in police custody, which is he's sneaking

502
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:36.920
<v Speaker 2>into one of the murder victim's friends hopes and so

503
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:40.200
<v Speaker 2>first he's in his closet and he realizes is a

504
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:42.279
<v Speaker 2>fat kid. He just sits on the computer all day.

505
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:45.039
<v Speaker 2>So he spends like three hours watching this guy on

506
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.319
<v Speaker 2>the computer, tries to sneak out, ends up in his

507
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.640
<v Speaker 2>sister's room. Yeah, and then of course what he's discovered

508
00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:55.079
<v Speaker 2>in you know, a nine year old's bedroom. He gets

509
00:31:55.240 --> 00:32:00.160
<v Speaker 2>arrested for you know, being a pedophile, and there's this

510
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:04.279
<v Speaker 2>hilarious moment where and he sort of hits rock bottom

511
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:06.559
<v Speaker 2>after this, you know, he goes on a bender and

512
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:10.359
<v Speaker 2>he's talking to his secretary, who is honestly a very

513
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:12.839
<v Speaker 2>funny character in this you know, this kind of like

514
00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:18.119
<v Speaker 2>diner goth like very very to put it, wildly unsupportive.

515
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:21.680
<v Speaker 2>Secretary calls him and she goes, well, the good news

516
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.920
<v Speaker 2>is you're in the paper. So he goes, oh, like,

517
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:28.039
<v Speaker 2>what did it say? And he says, it says you

518
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:30.000
<v Speaker 2>were found in the bedroom of a nine year old

519
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:34.599
<v Speaker 2>girl masturbating, And his response is probably the funniest line

520
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:38.079
<v Speaker 2>in the movie. He just goes, I wasn't masturbating, and

521
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:41.359
<v Speaker 2>then the scene changes again. It's incredibly funny, but there's

522
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:43.920
<v Speaker 2>like the character is not laughing with you. It's not

523
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:47.680
<v Speaker 2>presented as a joke. It's just the situation is absurd.

524
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:51.519
<v Speaker 2>And it's such a tonal masterpiece to hold both of

525
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:54.160
<v Speaker 2>these at once, because this is the moment where he

526
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:58.279
<v Speaker 2>is closest to giving up, where he's embarrassed himself even

527
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:01.680
<v Speaker 2>more if possible. You know, we see him sort of

528
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:05.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, hit rock bottom. But to your point, he

529
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:10.359
<v Speaker 2>can't let himself give up. He can't let this sixteen

530
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:13.480
<v Speaker 2>year old girl down. And one of the repeat things

531
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:15.960
<v Speaker 2>that happens is that people are asking him, oh, what

532
00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:19.160
<v Speaker 2>case are you want because the implication is you just

533
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:22.640
<v Speaker 2>find missing cats and you know, you find out if

534
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:25.599
<v Speaker 2>someone's gay, which is another joke sort of repeated a

535
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:28.240
<v Speaker 2>couple times in the movie. That's very funny. That was it.

536
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:33.559
<v Speaker 2>But there's this there's this letdown where he says, you know, oh,

537
00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:36.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, I've been tracked, I've been tapped to be

538
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:40.079
<v Speaker 2>part of this murder investigation. And then when he's asked

539
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:42.559
<v Speaker 2>for more details, he admits that, oh, it isn't the police,

540
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.519
<v Speaker 2>it's you know, the sixteen year old girlfriend. And every

541
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:47.880
<v Speaker 2>time someone tells him, like, you know, you can't accept

542
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:50.799
<v Speaker 2>money for this right, you can't just take advantage of

543
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:53.559
<v Speaker 2>this you know teenager, right, who's put our faith in you?

544
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:56.680
<v Speaker 2>And again, I think that that's such a kind of

545
00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:58.960
<v Speaker 2>master l one because even then he he's like, yeah,

546
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.480
<v Speaker 2>I know, I can't. I can't do that. So he

547
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:05.200
<v Speaker 2>isn't interested in this financially, like it's part of this

548
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:06.039
<v Speaker 2>sort of event.

549
00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:09.679
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, what's that, Andy, Nothing? No, I was just I

550
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:13.880
<v Speaker 1>was hitting again. Great, that's crucial because you find out

551
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:17.559
<v Speaker 1>in the end that he is like he's a true

552
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:19.639
<v Speaker 1>sorry for the you know the pun here, but he's

553
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:22.480
<v Speaker 1>a true detective. He's in it for the game. He

554
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:25.079
<v Speaker 1>is in it for the love of the game. And

555
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:28.119
<v Speaker 1>the fact that the sixteen year old girl has quote

556
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:31.599
<v Speaker 1>hired him and is using her grandmother's car to drive

557
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:35.760
<v Speaker 1>him around. She has no money herself, she didn't get hired.

558
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:39.239
<v Speaker 1>I think, I mean, he's an absolute loser in this

559
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:43.360
<v Speaker 1>in this movie, but the love of the game, that

560
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:46.679
<v Speaker 1>very thing that the adults and the boomers are saying,

561
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:51.960
<v Speaker 1>and his parents specifically are just like, you know, beside themselves, like,

562
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:56.119
<v Speaker 1>bro give it up. You're not this thing, this fantasy

563
00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:58.360
<v Speaker 1>joke that we supported when you were a little kid.

564
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:02.320
<v Speaker 1>And he hit. To his credit, he's saying, yeah, I am,

565
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:06.400
<v Speaker 1>I am actually that thing, that's who I really am.

566
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:14.119
<v Speaker 1>And to balance all of those things the interior of

567
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:18.920
<v Speaker 1>this character against such a delicate comedy, I guess that's

568
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:21.559
<v Speaker 1>part of the magic the way this movie works. But

569
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:26.000
<v Speaker 1>it's yeah, I just wanted to throw that in there

570
00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:30.599
<v Speaker 1>before the sorry to derail you if I owed it up.

571
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:36.079
<v Speaker 2>Not at all. There's there's a very kind of repeated

572
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:42.760
<v Speaker 2>motif where he goes around to you know, continue investigating,

573
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:48.440
<v Speaker 2>and again nobody takes him seriously. And we see in

574
00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:52.920
<v Speaker 2>this also to your point earlier, that this town has

575
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:57.079
<v Speaker 2>degraded and sort of passed him by, because you know,

576
00:35:57.079 --> 00:35:59.119
<v Speaker 2>when he's talking to this girl trying to find out,

577
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:00.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, where should we go? Where should we look,

578
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:04.800
<v Speaker 2>he's constantly asking her about, oh, you know, the the

579
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.519
<v Speaker 2>Red Shoe gang and the kids on the stoop. This

580
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:09.800
<v Speaker 2>sort of like Americana small town.

581
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:10.960
<v Speaker 1>You know.

582
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:15.440
<v Speaker 2>I guess you would say, like, you know, mischievous kids stuff, right,

583
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:18.960
<v Speaker 2>not on the level of you know, drug trafficking and

584
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:22.119
<v Speaker 2>murder that we see, you know, throughout the film. And

585
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:25.519
<v Speaker 2>there's a really it's both a funny and an interesting

586
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:29.320
<v Speaker 2>moment where he goes up to the quote unquote the

587
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:32.119
<v Speaker 2>kids on the stoop, which are basically where the you know,

588
00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:34.960
<v Speaker 2>the druggy kids hang out and listen to hip hop music.

589
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:38.920
<v Speaker 2>And at this point they have found in the jacket

590
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:44.320
<v Speaker 2>of the murdered boy a little a little container, a

591
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:47.920
<v Speaker 2>little pill bottle full of illicit drugs. And what it

592
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:52.559
<v Speaker 2>is revealed that basically the local biker gang is running

593
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:56.920
<v Speaker 2>drugs into schools through nerves that effectively this school is

594
00:36:56.920 --> 00:37:02.159
<v Speaker 2>on lockdown. The principal has uh access to everyone's locker

595
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:05.840
<v Speaker 2>because of this drug problem, and so the idea was, well,

596
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:09.679
<v Speaker 2>we'll have the kids who are beyond reproach hand out

597
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:13.199
<v Speaker 2>the drugs, and so he goes to of course the

598
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:16.559
<v Speaker 2>kids who use drugs, goes up, asks what's in the bottle?

599
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:19.559
<v Speaker 2>They tell him, and then he's like, all right, who's

600
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:23.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, who's your dealer? Right? Where'd you get this from?

601
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:26.440
<v Speaker 2>And they give him a false trail, so they go,

602
00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:28.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, they ask for drugs. It's sort of an

603
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:32.079
<v Speaker 2>embarrassing situation because they were told to blow it off.

604
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:36.079
<v Speaker 2>And when he comes back and we've seen him being

605
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:39.800
<v Speaker 2>this sort of bumbling, ineffectual loser like one of the

606
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:43.079
<v Speaker 2>opening scenes of the film is one of the kids

607
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:46.039
<v Speaker 2>he got in trouble, who he got suspended from school

608
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:49.800
<v Speaker 2>fifteen years ago, beats him up behind a bar. You know,

609
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.519
<v Speaker 2>he's still mad about it. Everyone just uws him as

610
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:56.760
<v Speaker 2>this kind of loser. But he goes back to this

611
00:37:56.840 --> 00:38:00.519
<v Speaker 2>kid who's like fourteen, and he starts making one of him,

612
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:04.480
<v Speaker 2>and he just runs up in cold cox him, which

613
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:08.079
<v Speaker 2>is a surprise to everyone, including the girl with him.

614
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:09.000
<v Speaker 1>But it's just.

615
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:12.159
<v Speaker 2>A really really funny shot that you know, you saw

616
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:13.880
<v Speaker 2>it happen the first time, where he goes up and

617
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.440
<v Speaker 2>he's kind of awkward talking to kids, and then the

618
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:20.159
<v Speaker 2>next time he just comes in and smashes kid and

619
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:22.840
<v Speaker 2>then just sort of, you know, beats the real story

620
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:26.760
<v Speaker 2>out of him. But uh, that's one of my one

621
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:28.320
<v Speaker 2>of the scenes in the film I thought is just

622
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:31.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of particularly funny and also balances that kind of

623
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:35.719
<v Speaker 2>serious and comedic tone because you do get the idea

624
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:39.000
<v Speaker 2>that this tone is in a bad way. It's not

625
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:42.239
<v Speaker 2>nearly as cohesive. The kids who were getting up to

626
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:46.159
<v Speaker 2>mischief are now getting up to hard drugs, getting involved

627
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:49.079
<v Speaker 2>with hardened criminals. So it blends that tone as well

628
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:51.960
<v Speaker 2>with a payoff that's genuinely hilarious.

629
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the speaking of this tone and setting thing, I

630
00:38:56.519 --> 00:39:01.960
<v Speaker 1>kept you know, there's like leafy trees, there's deciduous trees

631
00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:05.320
<v Speaker 1>throughout the throughout the film, and I was like, okay,

632
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:08.239
<v Speaker 1>so this isn't on the West Coast. And I kept thinking,

633
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:10.719
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if this is in you know, the mid

634
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:15.199
<v Speaker 1>Atlantic or or the Midwest or something. And then of

635
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:17.679
<v Speaker 1>course I found out later that he's Canadian. It was

636
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:21.599
<v Speaker 1>probably filmed in Canada, and it's this it's just this

637
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:29.159
<v Speaker 1>nether place. It's neither. It's it's totally recognizable in terms

638
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:36.480
<v Speaker 1>of the suburban layout and the predominantly kind of you know,

639
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:40.599
<v Speaker 1>American vibe to it. But the fact that it doesn't

640
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:44.360
<v Speaker 1>locate itself, if you will, like in Los Angeles or

641
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:50.559
<v Speaker 1>in Ohio or whatever, it ends up being really really

642
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:54.639
<v Speaker 1>useful because it's it stands in for I mean, all

643
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:59.760
<v Speaker 1>of North America, I guess where, Like it's we're in

644
00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:01.800
<v Speaker 1>the k and we've been in de Kay at least

645
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:04.639
<v Speaker 1>since two thousand and two thousand and one. Are like

646
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:08.480
<v Speaker 1>obvious decay, like very very undeniable decay.

647
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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's a there's a moment in this, uh that

648
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:18.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of proves that where when he's talking to you know,

649
00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:22.239
<v Speaker 2>the girl that kind of insides the action. They're looking

650
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:25.280
<v Speaker 2>around his office and it's it's covered with all of

651
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:29.599
<v Speaker 2>these trophies of you know, his his bright youth, you know,

652
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:35.559
<v Speaker 2>the photos of him in the local newspaper. And he mentions,

653
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, the mayor of the town. It's like, oh, yeah,

654
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:41.199
<v Speaker 2>you know he he gave me the key of the

655
00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:44.280
<v Speaker 2>city and yeah, the girl funds, Oh, he's the guy

656
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:47.320
<v Speaker 2>that hung himself. Yeah, and he you know, he's sort

657
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:51.320
<v Speaker 2>of crestfalled, understandableeding, but was well. He also started the

658
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Potato Festival, you know. And it's this sort of idea

659
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:59.199
<v Speaker 2>of you know, this once vibrant anywhere USA or anywhere

660
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:01.679
<v Speaker 2>Canada community that feels like a you know, a two

661
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:06.440
<v Speaker 2>street town anywhere. Yeah, over the twenty years has gone

662
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:08.960
<v Speaker 2>from being a sort of place where there's a vibrant

663
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:11.920
<v Speaker 2>civic life to a place where you know, the mayor

664
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:16.440
<v Speaker 2>hangs himself in his office and yeah, I mean it

665
00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:20.400
<v Speaker 2>is it's sort of this kind of atmosphere through the

666
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:24.800
<v Speaker 2>whole thing that makes it incredibly, incredibly compelling, because you

667
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:28.440
<v Speaker 2>do have this feeling that like yet, sure it probably

668
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:30.800
<v Speaker 2>was filmed in you know, Ontario or whatever, but it

669
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:33.519
<v Speaker 2>feels like it feels like my town or oh, that

670
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:38.599
<v Speaker 2>feels like your town. And again, it's what And I

671
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:41.639
<v Speaker 2>hate the term relatable because it's so often used to

672
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:46.199
<v Speaker 2>just excuse horrible characters. But part of what's so compelling

673
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:47.920
<v Speaker 2>about this film is I think we all kind of

674
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:50.199
<v Speaker 2>look at Am and you're like, yeah, that's yeah, that's me,

675
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:54.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, at least a little bit, and yeah, it's

676
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:57.079
<v Speaker 2>It's a film I genuinely love and I, like I said,

677
00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:58.400
<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen it in a couple of years, and

678
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:00.559
<v Speaker 2>I was really pleased at how well it held up.

679
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:03.199
<v Speaker 2>You know, my memory of it was just as good.

680
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:08.159
<v Speaker 2>One of the other things that I want to mention

681
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:15.719
<v Speaker 2>in this is the this sort of repeated kind of

682
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:23.000
<v Speaker 2>motif of sort of harsh reality crushing, the kind of

683
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:27.519
<v Speaker 2>childish interpretation, you know. So for instance, right, we see

684
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:30.480
<v Speaker 2>you know him as a child, you know, taking on

685
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:33.480
<v Speaker 2>these store taking on these cases with like a sense

686
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:35.719
<v Speaker 2>of wonderment. Right, I'm going to find out who did it.

687
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:40.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to solve the issue. And then contrast that

688
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:43.079
<v Speaker 2>to the other small time cases we see him getting,

689
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:46.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, as an adult, and when a woman comes in,

690
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:48.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, looking for a cat, his first response is,

691
00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:51.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, don't you think it's dead. So, at least

692
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:53.559
<v Speaker 2>before this case, we see that he has been kind

693
00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:57.360
<v Speaker 2>of fully he's become fully cynical. You know, there's no

694
00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:00.000
<v Speaker 2>part of him that believes the truth is actually out there.

695
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:04.400
<v Speaker 2>It's simply the kind of most easy, simple to hand

696
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:08.599
<v Speaker 2>kind of explanation, which I think is what makes that

697
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:13.280
<v Speaker 2>scene with the murdered boy's father so interesting is that

698
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.320
<v Speaker 2>this man, who obviously is not particularly supportive, he doesn't

699
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:19.920
<v Speaker 2>like Abe, but he just asked him, like, oh, so

700
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:23.000
<v Speaker 2>you just believe the first thing you hear, You believe

701
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:27.159
<v Speaker 2>the kind of you know, most probable explanation. Okham's razor.

702
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:30.760
<v Speaker 2>It's probably the least exciting, least interesting thing. Yeah, And

703
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:33.960
<v Speaker 2>I think that's an interesting moment because in this horrible

704
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:36.679
<v Speaker 2>condemnation of his character, we see that, wait, there's actually

705
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:39.400
<v Speaker 2>an insight there, and there's actually something that will prove

706
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:42.440
<v Speaker 2>pivotal to the plot another way in which right this

707
00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:43.960
<v Speaker 2>film is just masterfully written.

708
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:47.679
<v Speaker 1>I love the fact that he was Asian, you know,

709
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:55.320
<v Speaker 1>there was there was one other kind of funny not

710
00:43:55.440 --> 00:44:02.920
<v Speaker 1>quite anti dei bit, but where where the the girlfriend

711
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:10.280
<v Speaker 1>who has hired the detective has realized that Rigami is

712
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:16.599
<v Speaker 1>not Chinese happen. She's like, Man, I'm such racist for

713
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:19.960
<v Speaker 1>making this assumption. So there's there's some awareness on the

714
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:23.039
<v Speaker 1>director's part of this. But it's a.

715
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Very funny moment, to be fair, because it has been

716
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:29.280
<v Speaker 2>a pivotal block point at this point, like to this,

717
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:31.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of section of the film that everyone

718
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:34.760
<v Speaker 2>just assumed that he did it because he was Asian.

719
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:37.960
<v Speaker 2>And again, the film is not beating your head over

720
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:41.000
<v Speaker 2>with that, but it's funny because you sort of have

721
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:44.159
<v Speaker 2>the realization that, like, wait a minute, I also thought

722
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:46.000
<v Speaker 2>that just because he was Asian.

723
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:51.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And with the father, I mean he he just

724
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:59.159
<v Speaker 1>asks a series of very basic questions and our detective,

725
00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:02.840
<v Speaker 1>our hero is, as you say, like he's just leveled.

726
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's still operating basically at kid level in

727
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:12.280
<v Speaker 1>terms of his his detective prowess, you know. And but

728
00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:16.320
<v Speaker 1>I'll just I mean, there's something really great about that

729
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:20.119
<v Speaker 1>scene that you already mentioned, but I'll mention it again

730
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:25.559
<v Speaker 1>where the father's lost his child who we never really meet,

731
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:28.280
<v Speaker 1>so we as the viewers aren't totally attached to this

732
00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:32.079
<v Speaker 1>dead kid, but I mean I was. I was able

733
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:36.320
<v Speaker 1>to empathize with the father enough. While the father too

734
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:41.039
<v Speaker 1>is also not a just outright dismissive of our total

735
00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:44.519
<v Speaker 1>loser hero because I mean he's a he's in a

736
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:47.800
<v Speaker 1>the worst spot that you could probably be in as

737
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:50.079
<v Speaker 1>as a living human being. I mean, your kid's gone,

738
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:54.079
<v Speaker 1>the cops aren't doing shit, and now there's this you know,

739
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:58.239
<v Speaker 1>once bright shine kid detective who showed up at your

740
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:02.079
<v Speaker 1>house and he's an out joke, and the father just

741
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:09.320
<v Speaker 1>poses these few utterly logical and basic questions that I mean,

742
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:13.079
<v Speaker 1>you and I would ask, anybody would ask, but have

743
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:18.800
<v Speaker 1>completely evaded our hero Abe. And then the father just quietly,

744
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:21.800
<v Speaker 1>like with this weird dignity, almost just stoic. I don't

745
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:24.119
<v Speaker 1>know what it is. He just gets up and kind

746
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:26.280
<v Speaker 1>of walks up the stairs, and you see him walk

747
00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:31.800
<v Speaker 1>up those stairs. I thought that was just incredibly well done.

748
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:35.440
<v Speaker 1>It was fun once again, it's funny, it's deep, it's confusing,

749
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:36.440
<v Speaker 1>it's all these things.

750
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:39.679
<v Speaker 2>So at this point, Andy, I think we're gonna have

751
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:41.840
<v Speaker 2>to rip the band aid off and talk about the

752
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:42.960
<v Speaker 2>conclusion of this film.

753
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Let's give you forty minutes, yeap.

754
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:48.639
<v Speaker 2>Watch the movie. It's horrible podcasting to tell you to

755
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:51.519
<v Speaker 2>leave the episode early, but you should. You can find

756
00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:55.920
<v Speaker 2>this film anywhere. It's like ninety minutes, right. It's it's

757
00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:57.840
<v Speaker 2>a bit grim, but you know what, your your wife

758
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:02.639
<v Speaker 2>will probably like it. But we have this kind of

759
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:07.679
<v Speaker 2>slow build up realizing that there's much more to this murder,

760
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:12.599
<v Speaker 2>and in fact, it is connected to the disappearance of

761
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:19.599
<v Speaker 2>what's her name, Gracie Gullis right, the mayor's daughter, and

762
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:26.599
<v Speaker 2>we obviously find and here repeatedly these kind of origami roses.

763
00:47:26.679 --> 00:47:28.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, we mentioned the joke that everyone thinks it's

764
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:32.400
<v Speaker 2>the Asian kid, who, to be fair, was dating Caroline,

765
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:37.440
<v Speaker 2>the kind of female lead in this and there's a

766
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.400
<v Speaker 2>supporting character. I mentioned the kind of fat you know,

767
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:44.719
<v Speaker 2>gamer kid earlier. And what we find out after a

768
00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:48.360
<v Speaker 2>breaks into his house and goes through his things ultimately

769
00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:51.199
<v Speaker 2>to be found and important to the beliefs as a

770
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:58.400
<v Speaker 2>pedophile was that he had an unrecreited, unrequited love for Caroline,

771
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:02.760
<v Speaker 2>sort of a love triangle, right, And he mentioned in

772
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:07.320
<v Speaker 2>his first interview that he thought that the murdered kid

773
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:10.800
<v Speaker 2>was up to no good. Yeah, it's sort of funny.

774
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:14.079
<v Speaker 2>There's this mix of you know, this kid trying to

775
00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:18.320
<v Speaker 2>explain adult sexual situations to an adult in like the

776
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:22.119
<v Speaker 2>most clinical language possible. You know, he like, he leans in,

777
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:27.039
<v Speaker 2>he goes she put his hand on his penis, and it's,

778
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:30.360
<v Speaker 2>of course, it's a funny scene. But when he breaks in,

779
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:33.480
<v Speaker 2>he finds out of course that you know, this boy

780
00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:36.079
<v Speaker 2>is in love with Carolyn. And he also finds that

781
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:39.719
<v Speaker 2>he's been going through her locker and taking things from him,

782
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:44.360
<v Speaker 2>specifically taking some of the roses. And when he finds

783
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:48.679
<v Speaker 2>this rose, he realizes, wait a minute, this is connected

784
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:52.719
<v Speaker 2>to the disappearance of the girl from twenty years ago. Right,

785
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:56.280
<v Speaker 2>it's the same paper. He unravels it and realizes, wait

786
00:48:56.320 --> 00:49:00.840
<v Speaker 2>a minute, I've seen this before, goes back to her

787
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:05.039
<v Speaker 2>mother's house, where it's been undisturbed since the disappearance of

788
00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:11.360
<v Speaker 2>her child, and finds an identical rose, starting to realize,

789
00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:15.719
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, there's a connection here. And there's an

790
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:21.400
<v Speaker 2>interesting moment earlier in the film where as he's hit

791
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:24.360
<v Speaker 2>rock bottom, we see him in a bar at like

792
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:27.599
<v Speaker 2>three pm, Right, there's light streaming through the window and

793
00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:30.239
<v Speaker 2>the bartender you know, asks him, hey, you know what

794
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:33.400
<v Speaker 2>happened with you and that kid that were the grown

795
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:36.519
<v Speaker 2>man now And he says, well, you know, he took

796
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:39.599
<v Speaker 2>me out behind the bar and beat me up. And

797
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:43.280
<v Speaker 2>he basically says, he's like, well, you know, you never

798
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:47.320
<v Speaker 2>apologize to him. He didn't do it, and we realize

799
00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:52.119
<v Speaker 2>he was wrong, he didn't have that case correct. Well,

800
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:55.440
<v Speaker 2>when you combine that with, of course, the fact that

801
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:59.360
<v Speaker 2>the principle of the school has everyone's locker code, he

802
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:03.199
<v Speaker 2>starts to wait a minute, I have to check out

803
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:06.280
<v Speaker 2>the principle of the school. So he breaks into his

804
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:09.199
<v Speaker 2>house again. A very funny scene because in every other

805
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:12.039
<v Speaker 2>instance we've seen him as part of his trade craft,

806
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:15.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, jimmy ing opening windows or leaving something cracked

807
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:17.920
<v Speaker 2>so he can come back later, and he just throws

808
00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:21.039
<v Speaker 2>a rock through the glass window. Again kind of a

809
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:24.519
<v Speaker 2>comedic beat. But when he gets there, he goes through

810
00:50:24.519 --> 00:50:29.360
<v Speaker 2>his effects and he finds the same roses, realizing of

811
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:34.000
<v Speaker 2>course that these are all connected. I mentioned, of course,

812
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:36.639
<v Speaker 2>the Fat Kid, and one of the things the Fat

813
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Kid mentioned is that the the Chinese kid whose name

814
00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:45.199
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember, it's not particularly important, had a photo

815
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:48.840
<v Speaker 2>of a nude girl at a tiger mask in his locker, saying, oh,

816
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:51.599
<v Speaker 2>this is some other girl he's cheating on you, and

817
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:56.840
<v Speaker 2>sill reinformation until well Abe tracks her down again. This

818
00:50:56.880 --> 00:51:00.000
<v Speaker 2>sort of tragic case of this woman or this girl

819
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:04.239
<v Speaker 2>with a single mom. She's clearly degrading herself for money.

820
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:04.480
<v Speaker 1>Right.

821
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:07.559
<v Speaker 2>We see her when they're talking and she has the

822
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.519
<v Speaker 2>word Paul written on her forehead, and she sort of

823
00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:12.880
<v Speaker 2>just glibly says, like, he paid me fifty bucks to

824
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:16.000
<v Speaker 2>write his name on my forehead. Kind of both dark

825
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:19.760
<v Speaker 2>in comic at the same time, but she confirms you know, yes,

826
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:21.440
<v Speaker 2>you know they had a relationship.

827
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:22.159
<v Speaker 1>That is her.

828
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:28.840
<v Speaker 2>And finally he confronts the murderer. Right, he confronts the

829
00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:32.480
<v Speaker 2>school principle and the school principle in the kind of

830
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:38.760
<v Speaker 2>climactic moments of the movie, he reveals it all. He says, basically, yeah,

831
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:43.840
<v Speaker 2>I kidnapped this girl, Grace. I put out the story

832
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:47.719
<v Speaker 2>of this lock box disappearing. I faked it because I

833
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:50.440
<v Speaker 2>wanted to see, you know, were you really as good

834
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:53.599
<v Speaker 2>as everyone said? Would you have gotten me if I

835
00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:57.440
<v Speaker 2>kidnapped this girl, which, of course, like narratively, is massively

836
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:00.519
<v Speaker 2>important to the film. He did fail or even as

837
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:02.880
<v Speaker 2>a child. He was not smart enough to catch it.

838
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:06.440
<v Speaker 2>And what we find out is that the principal is

839
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:10.159
<v Speaker 2>abducted Grace, and this is really the gut punch of

840
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:13.800
<v Speaker 2>the movie, is that he's abducted her. It kept her

841
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:16.880
<v Speaker 2>in a shed behind his house, had his way with her.

842
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:20.599
<v Speaker 2>And Carolyne, the girl who's been pushing the story forward,

843
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:24.519
<v Speaker 2>is their daughter. She's not you know, the children of

844
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:28.840
<v Speaker 2>two you know alpinists killed, you know, skiing. She's the

845
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:32.840
<v Speaker 2>product of this relationship between the principal and the teacher,

846
00:52:33.320 --> 00:52:37.159
<v Speaker 2>or the principal and the student. And of course Abe

847
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:40.239
<v Speaker 2>is just absolutely gutted by this on multiple levels. It's

848
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:44.320
<v Speaker 2>revealed that the the Chinese kid was stabbed to death

849
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:48.000
<v Speaker 2>because the principal went through his locker, found the photo

850
00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:50.559
<v Speaker 2>and assumed that he had done that to his daughter.

851
00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:53.639
<v Speaker 2>You know, that this sexually provocative image was and so

852
00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:58.079
<v Speaker 2>he murdered him for it. And when Abe confronts him says,

853
00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:02.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, I know what you did, and also that

854
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:07.039
<v Speaker 2>you you know, murdered this kid for no reason. It's

855
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:11.960
<v Speaker 2>actually an interesting moment because the principal seemingly recognizes that

856
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:14.760
<v Speaker 2>he's done something horrible, but what he says is he

857
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:17.079
<v Speaker 2>has this sort of perverse sense of karmic justice where

858
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:20.000
<v Speaker 2>he says, you know, I took something beautiful out of

859
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:22.960
<v Speaker 2>the world by abducting this girl, but I brought something

860
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:25.519
<v Speaker 2>good into it. You know, he sort of netted out.

861
00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:30.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, this is his daughter. And when Abe reveals

862
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:34.599
<v Speaker 2>to him that, no weight, you have a karmic debt,

863
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:39.119
<v Speaker 2>right you killed this you know this kid. It's an

864
00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:45.280
<v Speaker 2>incredibly powerful moment and I'll just continue summarizing through this

865
00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:46.880
<v Speaker 2>because it's important and then we can go back and

866
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:49.800
<v Speaker 2>talk about it Andy. But there's this moment of tension

867
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:52.320
<v Speaker 2>where Abe sort of looks across from the across the

868
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:55.559
<v Speaker 2>table at him and says, you know what, Now he

869
00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:59.599
<v Speaker 2>pulls out this giant buck knife. The film is sort

870
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:02.519
<v Speaker 2>of leading you to assume like he's going to go

871
00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:07.119
<v Speaker 2>for him, and the principal stabs himself. Yeah, right in

872
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:10.519
<v Speaker 2>the hearts. It is really the only moment of violence

873
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:11.079
<v Speaker 2>in the movie.

874
00:54:11.159 --> 00:54:11.599
<v Speaker 1>It is.

875
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:18.039
<v Speaker 2>Not supremely graphic, but it's you know, emotionally poignant, and

876
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:22.840
<v Speaker 2>it's an absolute gut punch because we see Abe reeling

877
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:24.920
<v Speaker 2>from it after the guy dies. You know, you could

878
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:28.599
<v Speaker 2>he's completely unready for this. He knew that there was

879
00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:31.679
<v Speaker 2>something going on, but didn't necessarily know to what degree.

880
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:35.400
<v Speaker 2>And we see him, and it should be said, if

881
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:38.119
<v Speaker 2>we haven't already, he is an alcoholic. He's constantly drinking

882
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:41.039
<v Speaker 2>through the whole thing. That he goes into his fridge

883
00:54:41.559 --> 00:54:45.840
<v Speaker 2>to grab beer and he realizes, wait a minute, there's

884
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:49.039
<v Speaker 2>grape soda in there, the same grape soda that this

885
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:54.119
<v Speaker 2>girl who disappeared used to drink. And so there's this

886
00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:58.159
<v Speaker 2>horrific moment where he goes out to the shed and

887
00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:00.360
<v Speaker 2>he sees this woman who's been trapped. I've been there

888
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:04.079
<v Speaker 2>for twenty years and her mind is gone completely. She's

889
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:08.440
<v Speaker 2>basically feral, and you know, the police come. He solved

890
00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:11.280
<v Speaker 2>the murder. But that's sort of the climax of the film.

891
00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:13.960
<v Speaker 2>I know we covered a lot of ground there, but Andy,

892
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:15.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm curious to get your thoughts on it.

893
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:21.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, Jay, the guy just started lawnmowing out here, so

894
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:23.239
<v Speaker 1>we may have to edit this. I don't know how

895
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:27.559
<v Speaker 1>bad it. I'll get my apologies, but can you hear it?

896
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Is it bad? Not too bad? Okay? So oh good,

897
00:55:33.400 --> 00:55:35.320
<v Speaker 1>he's not going to We could probably squeak through here.

898
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:40.719
<v Speaker 1>But dude, I the ending of a film you know,

899
00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:45.800
<v Speaker 1>is critical theoretically you can get away with other things

900
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:52.039
<v Speaker 1>these days, but the way that everything fits from like

901
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:57.239
<v Speaker 1>the logician, the the screenwriter, you know, this this point

902
00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:01.000
<v Speaker 1>of view and then is in viewed with as you

903
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:06.440
<v Speaker 1>as you know you you suggest like these very poignant

904
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:13.440
<v Speaker 1>emotional moments and reveals, uh, just like one after another.

905
00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:17.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean you're in about a five minute like cauldron

906
00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:21.639
<v Speaker 1>as the viewer, where so much is happening, and then

907
00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:26.559
<v Speaker 1>boom another this this revelation that there's a shed out

908
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:29.159
<v Speaker 1>back where this this gets worse you know, for the

909
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:33.199
<v Speaker 1>for the overall story and the individuals involved, and more

910
00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:38.880
<v Speaker 1>intense as you as you're watching it. To me, though,

911
00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:44.880
<v Speaker 1>the real master stroke of the whole movie is at

912
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:48.920
<v Speaker 1>the last, the very last scene. And that's since we've

913
00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:50.880
<v Speaker 1>given it all the way, let's give this away too,

914
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:53.960
<v Speaker 1>because this is where that's when I said, I mean

915
00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:58.800
<v Speaker 1>I didn't cry myself, but dude, I have been in

916
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:03.480
<v Speaker 1>that exact situation where my boomer parents, you know, they're

917
00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:04.960
<v Speaker 1>not going to listen to this, thank god, but I

918
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:16.119
<v Speaker 1>mean he's he's undergone this, you know, very harrowing, transformative,

919
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:24.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, heroic journey and he's redeemed himself. Uh and

920
00:57:24.559 --> 00:57:27.079
<v Speaker 1>and it's a big deal, you know, his national news

921
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:29.880
<v Speaker 1>and so he's probably going to make some money. His

922
00:57:29.960 --> 00:57:32.440
<v Speaker 1>parents come over and they have this discussion, and his

923
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:37.039
<v Speaker 1>parents are immediately like, well, well they're they're they're transformed themselves,

924
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:39.119
<v Speaker 1>where they're so proud of him. You know, everything is good.

925
00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:43.079
<v Speaker 1>He's cleaned his room and all this sort but he's

926
00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:48.840
<v Speaker 1>you can see that this didn't it didn't it changed him.

927
00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:51.920
<v Speaker 1>But it's the love of the game that remained. And

928
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:56.119
<v Speaker 1>it was it wasn't you know, glory in the sense

929
00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:59.559
<v Speaker 1>of money or accolades that's doing it for him. It

930
00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:03.039
<v Speaker 1>was the act that he never let go of that case,

931
00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:08.239
<v Speaker 1>and thereby by never letting go, not only beats his

932
00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:12.400
<v Speaker 1>nemesis and wins and solves the case, solves multiple massive cases.

933
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:18.719
<v Speaker 1>But he's done that very thing that the cop asked him.

934
00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:24.079
<v Speaker 1>You know, situations like this. Again, I'm sort of bastard,

935
00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:26.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, bastardizing the quote here, but it's like, this

936
00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:29.639
<v Speaker 1>may be that situation where you as an individual are

937
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:32.599
<v Speaker 1>going to decide who you really are, and he does,

938
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:36.679
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't really decide. It's not again, Rocky like, no

939
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:39.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to let myself be beaten. It's just

940
00:58:39.679 --> 00:58:41.679
<v Speaker 1>simply that he does not ever let go, and he

941
00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:46.519
<v Speaker 1>just keeps doggedly after it, which you know, that's pretty realistic.

942
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:51.159
<v Speaker 1>That's actually so much more realistic than the rocky version

943
00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:55.119
<v Speaker 1>of things that it's almost like subversive as for the viewer,

944
00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:59.239
<v Speaker 1>because you're for guys like you and I and I

945
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:02.239
<v Speaker 1>think most of us, like that's how reality works if

946
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:06.840
<v Speaker 1>you just never give up. Well, you know, you you

947
00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:09.559
<v Speaker 1>may not get everything you want, but you will at

948
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:15.199
<v Speaker 1>least have that like dignity. But the Boomers, right, So

949
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:19.400
<v Speaker 1>his parents are sitting there, they have absolutely no idea,

950
00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:23.679
<v Speaker 1>they have no capacity to have an understanding, and he

951
00:59:23.800 --> 00:59:26.920
<v Speaker 1>begins to weep, and that's how the movie ends, almost

952
00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:32.880
<v Speaker 1>like this graduate sort of ambiguity, but honestly better than

953
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the Graduate. Everyone says, oh, the Graduate is such a masterpiece,

954
00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:38.559
<v Speaker 1>like it's an okay movie. This is a better movie

955
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:41.239
<v Speaker 1>than the Graduate. This is a better movie than a

956
00:59:41.239 --> 00:59:45.159
<v Speaker 1>boomer movie. I mean this. You know, we talked about

957
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:49.760
<v Speaker 1>the Boomer Killer in some of our recent talks. Dude,

958
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:52.760
<v Speaker 1>this movie is the Boomer Killer like I've never seen,

959
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:57.119
<v Speaker 1>and for me, that is why that's the where the character.

960
00:59:57.360 --> 01:00:00.119
<v Speaker 1>You always hear this, oh, the platinue character development, all

961
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:04.119
<v Speaker 1>this stuff. It's all just kind of jive to if

962
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:06.719
<v Speaker 1>you have some experience with it, until you realize that

963
01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:11.119
<v Speaker 1>it's not like that character construction.

964
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:12.199
<v Speaker 2>Is.

965
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:17.039
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's not surprising, honestly that we spent three

966
01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:19.800
<v Speaker 1>million dollars on the movie and it made three hundred. Well,

967
01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:23.000
<v Speaker 1>that's because it's basically too good for this world. I

968
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:23.920
<v Speaker 1>mean that.

969
01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's also, to be fair, almost impossible to market.

970
01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Like even when I was describing this movie to you,

971
01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:34.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I said anything wrong, but it's really

972
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:37.880
<v Speaker 2>hard to communicate what it's actually about. And you know

973
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:40.480
<v Speaker 2>that that moment is so profound because we see that

974
01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:44.480
<v Speaker 2>from the perspective of his parents, all the problems have

975
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:48.519
<v Speaker 2>been solved. His apartment is clean, he was up on time,

976
01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:52.079
<v Speaker 2>he had his teeth brushed. He's got you know, media,

977
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:55.199
<v Speaker 2>which you know is something mentioned multiple times, but you

978
01:00:55.239 --> 01:00:59.800
<v Speaker 2>know the media is asking his parents for comment. And

979
01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:04.159
<v Speaker 2>yet right, he did at one on one hand, he

980
01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:07.400
<v Speaker 2>did it. He got this sort of monkey off his back,

981
01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:09.400
<v Speaker 2>He solved a case, he established it. He was the

982
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:14.920
<v Speaker 2>real deal adult detective. But the realization that you know,

983
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:20.480
<v Speaker 2>his one of his childhood friends had been you know,

984
01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:23.599
<v Speaker 2>a mile away in a shed somewhere in this you know,

985
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:27.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of horrific life that you know, he himself had

986
01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:30.159
<v Speaker 2>failed at even at an early age, but hadn't been

987
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:32.480
<v Speaker 2>able to rise to the occasion. He wasn't as smart

988
01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:35.880
<v Speaker 2>as he thought he was, Like it's to say, weighing

989
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:39.719
<v Speaker 2>on him as an understatement. And there's a scene sandwich

990
01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:43.360
<v Speaker 2>between these two where we see him in the office. Right,

991
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:48.480
<v Speaker 2>he's back in, his secretary is being slightly nicer to him, right,

992
01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:51.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, graded on a curve. Of course, the office

993
01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:54.639
<v Speaker 2>is full of people, and Carolyn's come back, and so

994
01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:56.960
<v Speaker 2>he's asking her, you know, how are you doing. She

995
01:01:57.079 --> 01:02:02.000
<v Speaker 2>remarks that, you know, all of his old trophies, you know,

996
01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:04.480
<v Speaker 2>all of the old photos and newspaper clippings are off

997
01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:06.679
<v Speaker 2>the wall. And he says something that I think is

998
01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:08.519
<v Speaker 2>interesting where he says, you know what, it just didn't

999
01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:11.679
<v Speaker 2>seem serious. And it's clear that like he has fully

1000
01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:15.840
<v Speaker 2>become a serious person. And some part of that is positive, right,

1001
01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:18.679
<v Speaker 2>he's no longer living in the past, he's no longer

1002
01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:26.079
<v Speaker 2>a failure. But also the serious realization was horrific.

1003
01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:27.039
<v Speaker 1>It was so much.

1004
01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Worse than he ever would have guessed at any intermediate stage. Right,

1005
01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:35.880
<v Speaker 2>incredibly broken situation. And I think it's interesting how dramatically

1006
01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:39.760
<v Speaker 2>different Carolyn looks, because when we're introduced to her, she

1007
01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:43.960
<v Speaker 2>looks the way she's dressed very similar to the children

1008
01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:46.679
<v Speaker 2>back in the year two thousand, you know, the kind

1009
01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:50.679
<v Speaker 2>of united colors of Bennington, kind of hometown Americana, you know,

1010
01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:54.280
<v Speaker 2>bows in their hair. And when she comes back, she

1011
01:02:54.400 --> 01:02:56.440
<v Speaker 2>looks like the kids at the stoop. You know, she's

1012
01:02:56.440 --> 01:03:01.159
<v Speaker 2>wearing all blacks. She's growing up. She's sort of become

1013
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:05.159
<v Speaker 2>a part of this depressed world. You know, that innocence

1014
01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:07.480
<v Speaker 2>is well and truly gone. She knows the history of

1015
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:10.559
<v Speaker 2>her parentage. It's not that she is the product, you know,

1016
01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:13.400
<v Speaker 2>as she said in Pardon the Sacrilege of you know,

1017
01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:16.679
<v Speaker 2>Jesus giving me to my grandparents, it was a you know,

1018
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:20.800
<v Speaker 2>a murderous pedophile, which she says very flatly, and it is,

1019
01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:22.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's a certain amount which is funny, but

1020
01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:25.679
<v Speaker 2>it's also another gut punch. Right, We're seeing both of

1021
01:03:25.719 --> 01:03:29.519
<v Speaker 2>these characters, even at different ages, sort of have to

1022
01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:34.199
<v Speaker 2>make peace with the depravity of the world a really powerful.

1023
01:03:33.719 --> 01:03:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Scene, incredibly powerful. Yeah, it's and I think you're right

1024
01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:44.039
<v Speaker 1>to say it's almost impossible to describe this movie because

1025
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:47.039
<v Speaker 1>as you and it's no no matter how what your

1026
01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:51.000
<v Speaker 1>powers of description would be, yours and mine put together

1027
01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:52.960
<v Speaker 1>and add some other people. I don't think you can

1028
01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:59.039
<v Speaker 1>do it justice because well a few of the points

1029
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:03.400
<v Speaker 1>that you already make it. But it's just so masterfully

1030
01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:08.320
<v Speaker 1>handled at every at every moment, whether it's like how

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01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:11.000
<v Speaker 1>the characters are dressed and how the setting is kind

1032
01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:15.880
<v Speaker 1>of reflecting or you know, inner realities and what all

1033
01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:19.400
<v Speaker 1>of that stuff is in hand, like pretty very high

1034
01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:25.880
<v Speaker 1>level cinema is in hand. And and he's the director

1035
01:04:26.039 --> 01:04:29.480
<v Speaker 1>I forget his name again, Evan. Something is just constantly

1036
01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:36.039
<v Speaker 1>resisting the urge to like take an easy way out,

1037
01:04:37.320 --> 01:04:40.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, to to manage and resolve these these various conflicts,

1038
01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:46.679
<v Speaker 1>and you just end up with something very true, which

1039
01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:50.159
<v Speaker 1>is and again it's universal in the sense that, yeah,

1040
01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:53.039
<v Speaker 1>it's a hero's journey. The hero's journey always has this

1041
01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:56.559
<v Speaker 1>dark experience and then comes out on the other side

1042
01:04:56.599 --> 01:05:01.719
<v Speaker 1>with something like painfully earned treasure or wisdom or what

1043
01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:06.199
<v Speaker 1>have you. But the way that he breaks down and

1044
01:05:06.239 --> 01:05:12.119
<v Speaker 1>that very last bit as his parents are just utterly clueless,

1045
01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:15.280
<v Speaker 1>is is some I think I don't know. I mean,

1046
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:17.920
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't there, you know, in biblical times. But I

1047
01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:22.239
<v Speaker 1>feel like that that sort of detected that's alienation didn't

1048
01:05:22.239 --> 01:05:24.639
<v Speaker 1>really happen. And that is why I think this is

1049
01:05:24.679 --> 01:05:29.440
<v Speaker 1>a very gen X millennial I guess Z and whoever

1050
01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:32.280
<v Speaker 1>comes after that. Hopefully by that time, you know, we've

1051
01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:36.079
<v Speaker 1>taken the reins and can kind of because that's where

1052
01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:38.159
<v Speaker 1>my wife and I went when we were we were done,

1053
01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Like we had our big conversation about it, and it

1054
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:47.599
<v Speaker 1>was like that abandonment for nothing, for lack of a

1055
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:51.559
<v Speaker 1>better word, of the child into this world that they

1056
01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:54.280
<v Speaker 1>sorry to shit on the Boomer so much, but I mean, dude,

1057
01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:56.519
<v Speaker 1>it's it hasn't I don't think it's happened before, and

1058
01:05:56.519 --> 01:05:58.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't want it to happen in the next generations.

1059
01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:03.239
<v Speaker 1>But it's quick essentially Boomer therefore, And so that that

1060
01:06:04.519 --> 01:06:08.440
<v Speaker 1>was a very moving scene for me when I saw

1061
01:06:08.519 --> 01:06:11.079
<v Speaker 1>him cry at the realization like not only did I

1062
01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:13.159
<v Speaker 1>make it through all this shit? And yeah, it's bitter

1063
01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:15.280
<v Speaker 1>and it's dark and it's light, and that was he

1064
01:06:15.400 --> 01:06:17.519
<v Speaker 1>knows that, you know, he has all these like little

1065
01:06:17.559 --> 01:06:20.719
<v Speaker 1>pretentious sorts of adages up his sleeve, just like I do,

1066
01:06:20.960 --> 01:06:24.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, and then reality really comes and you get

1067
01:06:24.159 --> 01:06:26.559
<v Speaker 1>what you thought you needed and it's like holy fuck,

1068
01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:31.400
<v Speaker 1>like you know, and the ironic distance between me and

1069
01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:35.840
<v Speaker 1>you and God is like now removed. Yeah, man, brilliant,

1070
01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:38.000
<v Speaker 1>brilliant pick Jay, I got to hand it to you.

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01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:40.679
<v Speaker 1>I was like, dude, the pressure's on now. How am

1072
01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:42.199
<v Speaker 1>I going to top this? How am I going to

1073
01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:44.719
<v Speaker 1>even come close to I'm gonna have to dig deep

1074
01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:48.239
<v Speaker 1>into the into the bag to find something good, you know.

1075
01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:50.599
<v Speaker 1>On par well, I.

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01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:55.679
<v Speaker 2>Will say, Andy, I've been sending around a redacted list

1077
01:06:55.880 --> 01:06:58.440
<v Speaker 2>of the films you recommended to me. You know, I

1078
01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:01.800
<v Speaker 2>obviously just kind of copy it or gave you the attribution.

1079
01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:03.719
<v Speaker 1>And it's been.

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01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Doing well with my at least my IRL friend social group.

1081
01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:10.360
<v Speaker 2>The movies have been like I think I told you,

1082
01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:14.559
<v Speaker 2>I got Red Rock West from you, and yeah, that

1083
01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:17.480
<v Speaker 2>was really popular. You know, half dozen guys I know

1084
01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:19.840
<v Speaker 2>have all said like, I can't believe I haven't picked

1085
01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:21.840
<v Speaker 2>this out, and so, you know what, I figured, I

1086
01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:24.519
<v Speaker 2>only have a few kind of hidden gems, you know,

1087
01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:27.320
<v Speaker 2>movies like this, but this one is so good I

1088
01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:29.760
<v Speaker 2>wanted to share it. And I'm glad you liked it, man,

1089
01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:31.559
<v Speaker 2>because this is one of those movies. I feel like

1090
01:07:31.599 --> 01:07:33.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm sort of the lone voice in the wilderness on

1091
01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:37.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, like no one has seen or talks about it,

1092
01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:40.320
<v Speaker 2>and it's it's such a great film. But Andy, this

1093
01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:41.320
<v Speaker 2>has been a ton of fun.

1094
01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:41.559
<v Speaker 1>Man.

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01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:44.360
<v Speaker 2>If people are interested in you and your your work,

1096
01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:45.280
<v Speaker 2>where can they find you?

1097
01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:49.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm on X you know that's there's a link tree

1098
01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:51.280
<v Speaker 1>up there. You can find all the books. I will

1099
01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:54.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't. I'm not the greatest shiller, but

1100
01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:58.519
<v Speaker 1>I will mention that the latest book, Abstract Operator, just

1101
01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:01.159
<v Speaker 1>so happens to deal with some of this like deep

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01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:07.159
<v Speaker 1>interior detective noir sort of stuff. So if any of

1103
01:08:07.159 --> 01:08:11.199
<v Speaker 1>that is actually of interest to people, it's in Abstract Operator.

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01:08:11.320 --> 01:08:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Maybe not in the forum that that that you want,

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01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:17.680
<v Speaker 1>but it's in there. Yeah. That's about it. I I

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01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:22.359
<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed this a lot, And yeah, thanks for the recommendation. Man,

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01:08:22.399 --> 01:08:24.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be thinking about this this movie for quite

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01:08:24.479 --> 01:08:24.840
<v Speaker 1>a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone at home, keep your head up. Why can't last forever?

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<v Speaker 1>Good Night?