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<v Speaker 1>Hey, friends, it's Nicole.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Ben, and you're listening to Wicked and Grim.

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<v Speaker 1>A true crime podcasting the following podcast maidens. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like now we have to start every episode that way

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<v Speaker 1>because we've done it a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, why not when you can.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're on location today.

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<v Speaker 2>On location. It's a very exotic location. Actually it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>our basement, our basement. We are in a stupid heat

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<v Speaker 2>wave right now, absolutely ridiculous, so hot. If anyone is

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<v Speaker 2>in like Alberta, BC, and I'm probably assuming it's like

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<v Speaker 2>in the Pacific Northwest in general right now, but we're

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<v Speaker 2>we're northern BC and we're reaching like forty degrees celsius

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<v Speaker 2>temperatures all fucking week a week.

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<v Speaker 1>Which may be like normal to some people, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not normal for us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and for those in the fahrenheit realm, it's one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and four degrees fahrenheit that we're sitting in right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you look that up or do you just know?

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<v Speaker 2>I looked it up because I wanted to be considerate

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<v Speaker 2>of those in other places, namely the States, because I

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<v Speaker 2>think they're the only ones to use fahrenheit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, that's very kind of you, Ben.

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<v Speaker 2>I try, I try, probably not, but I.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel like I've seen them post about like being one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred degrees and stuff, and I thought the post made

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<v Speaker 1>it seem like that wasn't very hot.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm sure it's not very hot for some places,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's hot as balls for us.

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<v Speaker 1>So hot, like I'm pretty much just like you sit

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<v Speaker 1>there and you're a sweat Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking to a friend of mine online who

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<v Speaker 2>lives in a Australia now it's complaining about the heat wave,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like, that's like normal heat for us. I'm like, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>you have giant lizards and shit that go sunbathing. All

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<v Speaker 2>of our animals have like four inches of fur because

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<v Speaker 2>they don't freeze to death.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, we have two little huskies and they're not doing.

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<v Speaker 2>The but they're panting away right beside us. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you hear some panting, it's either the dogs or us overheating.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, probably you probably Probably That's why I have the

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<v Speaker 1>cold drink though. Yeah, I'm jelly.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you going to drop the bomb about our other

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<v Speaker 2>on location on what we're going to be doing soon?

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<v Speaker 1>I'll aout you.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't even know what I'm talking about, do you no.

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<v Speaker 1>I do about Vancouver?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you do know, I do know. Okay, coming up

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<v Speaker 2>in a couple of weeks, guys, we're going to Vancouver,

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<v Speaker 2>just a little like a vacation trip, and we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to check it our tiny home that's being built down

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<v Speaker 2>there too, our tiny home. But we're taking extra time

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<v Speaker 2>for vacation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we are.

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<v Speaker 2>But what's really cool is we managed to book a

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<v Speaker 2>hotel that's usually like a little bit too expensive, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was on sale, so we're like, let's let's book it.

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<v Speaker 1>Booked.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing about this hotel is it's the Fair

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<v Speaker 2>Mountain downtown Vancouver, known to be haunted by the Lady

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<v Speaker 2>in Red.

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<v Speaker 1>The Lady in Red.

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<v Speaker 2>So while we're there staying at the haunted hotel, we

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<v Speaker 2>are going to do a podcast episode based completely on

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<v Speaker 2>the Lady.

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<v Speaker 1>In Red, like in our hotel room. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, maybe she'll even join us.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh if she joined, as you guys will never hear

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<v Speaker 1>from you again.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be well, you'll hear me die on the spot

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<v Speaker 2>of a heart attack. That's what's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that would be like I just feel like maybe

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<v Speaker 1>talking about her too.

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<v Speaker 2>Much might bring her to us.

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<v Speaker 1>Could bring some unwonted attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I do even have like I've got because

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<v Speaker 2>I do videography stuff. I've got some camera gear, I've

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<v Speaker 2>got some audio equipment that sort of thing. One of

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<v Speaker 2>my cameras actually does have infrared on it.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe you'll see actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you'll even see some little ghost hunting stuff. Who knows,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see that, we'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>But okay, but that's cool. It's gonna be cool. It's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be cool for us to get away and then

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<v Speaker 1>also to do like a theme and the location stuff

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<v Speaker 1>because we're always just in our house talking about these things, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's gonna be awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and there's definite potential for us to do other

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<v Speaker 2>location based ones as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, so it will be Yeah, we definitely will, especially

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<v Speaker 1>with COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>Using up a bit exactly, So expect some more of

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<v Speaker 2>that coming down the pipe. Until then, though, let's rock

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<v Speaker 2>this case within a cold episode today, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just gonna warn you guys. Okay, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>actually have two warnings. One warning is it going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a two parter, So I'm just throwing that out there.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's cool, that's cool. You get two episodes. Wait, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I probably have to put it on a Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm on an asshole because you put it on

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<v Speaker 1>a Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 2>People did like that when we did it last time.

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<v Speaker 2>We came out with it pretty quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so it will be out the next day so

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to wait long. And I had thought about,

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<v Speaker 1>like giving you guys a break because last episode was

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<v Speaker 1>a bit heavy, Like Ben, you threw it on us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sorry that was a brutal episode, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't give you a break. This is actually a

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<v Speaker 1>case wanted to do for quite a while, like since

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<v Speaker 1>we first started, and I'm and we both decided to

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<v Speaker 1>do these grewsome cases at the same time. So I apologize.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Deal with it.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get going. Yes, let's roll without further ado. Hey, okay, So,

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<v Speaker 1>and we did drop a hint on Instagram. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is the Barbie and Ken Killers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was a few of you guys who knew it,

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<v Speaker 2>like right r right away.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Barbi and Ken Killers of Canada. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if there's them in other countries, but

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<v Speaker 1>this is Canada. The case starts with Paul Bernardo. Paul

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<v Speaker 1>was born on August twenty seventh, nineteen sixty four, in Toronto, Ontario.

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<v Speaker 1>We also, I think we do a lot of like

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<v Speaker 1>Backis cases do well, I think they're more populated and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe there's more density of population and living over there,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's yeah, it's more bound to happen, I guess. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but you definitely do more of that because well, you

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<v Speaker 2>stick to mostly cannadies countries.

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<v Speaker 1>Canada, okay, commercial, Oh yeah, I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember that, the history of Canada. Anyways, people probably don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what we're talking aboutlet's.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep remember that. As a kid. So he was the

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<v Speaker 1>third child to be born into a wealthy yet dysfunctional family.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like sometimes with wealth may becomes dysfunction. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, I'm just throwing that out there. His parents

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<v Speaker 1>were Kenneth and Marylyn. His father, coming from an abusive family,

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<v Speaker 1>was also abusive to his family, including sexually abusing Paul's

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<v Speaker 1>sister like his child, Yeah, that's fucked, And in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five was charged with child molestation. So I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of didn't know to say that there for a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>fondling another young.

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<v Speaker 2>Girl, I want to fondle my fist with his jaw.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Paul's dad sucks, Like that's just the first

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<v Speaker 1>thing I'm thrown out there. Paul's mom, Marylynd, depressed obviously

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<v Speaker 1>over her husband's abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would imagine so.

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<v Speaker 1>Withdrew herself from the family and lived in the basement

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<v Speaker 1>of their home in Scarborough, which is eastern Ontario. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but like also, she could have been a badass and

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<v Speaker 1>been like, fuck you, I'm taking my kids. But so

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<v Speaker 1>she went in the basement. But that's okay, that's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's good. I think she had mental issues.

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<v Speaker 2>You went in a whole round about.

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<v Speaker 1>I did, actually, uh somewhat unscathed by the home turmoil turmoil.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul was described as always happy, He smiled a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>He had cute little dimples and good looks.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so it's like a cute little kid. Did you

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<v Speaker 2>have like a lot going for them? Do you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Was he like smart in school? That sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't say he was smart. I'm going to say

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<v Speaker 1>he's an asshole.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, he's an asshole. He was a cute kid. He

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<v Speaker 2>was an ass just an asshole.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was described as the perfect child. Every parent

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<v Speaker 1>wanted him. He was polite and oh and did well

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<v Speaker 1>in school. Okay, so he did well in school.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there we go.

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<v Speaker 1>I did have that shit. I thought it was ugh

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<v Speaker 1>never mind, I was to give away. So yeah, every

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<v Speaker 1>parent was like wanted him as a kid. But but

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<v Speaker 1>the grass ain't always greener on the other side of

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<v Speaker 1>the fence, folks, because he had a dark side. That

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<v Speaker 1>was a bruin.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a bruin.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a bruin like.

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<v Speaker 2>A bad poo, like when you have McDonald's night before

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<v Speaker 2>and you go to bed drunk and you wake up

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<v Speaker 2>and you got the booze poos mixed with the mixshits.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's nasty visual.

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<v Speaker 2>Visual you're visualizing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I did visualize that, which is disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been We've all been there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I'm sure everyone's probably been there.

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<v Speaker 2>The booze poos. Gotta love them.

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<v Speaker 1>So at the age of sixteen, Paul's mom and this

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<v Speaker 1>was like a bomb, told him that she had an

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<v Speaker 1>affair with a former boyfriend. Oh shit, and that Kenneth

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<v Speaker 1>was actually not his biological follower.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit. Well, I mean, if your husband's like straight up

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<v Speaker 2>molesting your children and being abusive and.

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<v Speaker 1>Shit, you actually would probably almost want to celebrate that

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<v Speaker 1>shit if that wasn't no, if that wasn't your dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I thought you might celebrate your husband doing that shit.

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<v Speaker 1>No no, no, no, Like if you found out that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't your dad, Yeah, maybe you'd be like halla, he

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<v Speaker 1>would celebrate that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about the perspective of the mother. Yeah, she

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<v Speaker 2>finds out that her husband's doing this not only to

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<v Speaker 2>her but her kids, and this sort of stuff, I

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<v Speaker 2>would definitely seek out, like some relations with some other person,

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<v Speaker 2>and like I need love and compassion and someone to

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<v Speaker 2>be with because like, I'm just in this dark place.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I know not that you should go cheat

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<v Speaker 2>on your fucking husband or wife, but she if anybody

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<v Speaker 2>has a reason to, she definitely has one for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And they had gotten a particular bad argument that night,

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<v Speaker 1>like the moment Paul's mom and dad, and that's when

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<v Speaker 1>she told Paul.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay, I thought you were going to say she

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<v Speaker 2>got in the bad argument and then went and got

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<v Speaker 2>pregnant with no, fuck you, I'm gonna go fuck my boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>That could be though, But Paul didn't really take this

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<v Speaker 2>Really, yeah, how old is he at this point?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>That's strike one of this guy being a complete asshole.

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<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, that's strike one. You should shut the

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Oh you just you wait, Ben, if you think

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<v Speaker 1>that's bad. This guy? Who who? Okay, who.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that it?

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<v Speaker 1>Paul graduated from Sir Wilford Lawyer, Lawyer Lawyerierer Laurier Laarier

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<v Speaker 2>So Sir Wilfrid Laurier that was the college historical individual.

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<v Speaker 1>He worked for Amway. Do you know what Amway is?

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<v Speaker 2>I know there's the local aim High. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if that's like the thing around Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a multi level marketing company that sells health,

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<v Speaker 1>And this sales culture had a deep effect on Paul.

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<v Speaker 1>He purchased books and tapes of famous motivational get rich

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<v Speaker 1>in bars, apparently being very successful. Oh god, like that's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's literally building up a slimy fucking personality. You

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<v Speaker 2>picture the epitome of like a used car salesman. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm picturing with him already.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeahs not all used car salesman, That's what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like the epitome of like what you think the stereotype.

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<v Speaker 2>Stereotype. There you go, that's what I mean. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like when you watch Matilda and Dad. Yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if people know what Matilda's it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Danny DeVito. He did a great job.

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<v Speaker 1>He did a really good job. He acted as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Fun fact, I actually met Matilda the actress and got

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually obsessed with Matilda. You guys are learning a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of it.

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<v Speaker 2>If you guys don't ever go to comic cons, you

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<v Speaker 2>can experience some really cool shit. I'm just dropping this now.

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<v Speaker 2>I met so many awesome actors and actress. I met

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<v Speaker 2>Stand fucking Lee a comic con.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because he since passed, right.

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<v Speaker 2>He has. Yeah, So go to comic con, kids, comic con,

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<v Speaker 2>do comic con not drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time, Paul attended university. So he attended the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Toronto. Scarco Scarborough, Scarborough, Scarborough, sorry scar barrel, scarbarrel, barrow,

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<v Speaker 2>How's it spelt with a G to the end?

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<v Speaker 1>I did look this up and I knew I was

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<v Speaker 1>then b O r O U g h Scarborough Scarborough.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know where I know that word from these

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<v Speaker 2>words I've heard them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like a suburb of Toronto basically. Okay, So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was attending He's attending university, and he had developed

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<v Speaker 1>some dark sexual fantasies and enjoyed humiliating women in public

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<v Speaker 1>and physically abusing women he dated what a dick. He

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<v Speaker 1>saw women as sexual objects rather than people solely there

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it seems like a lot of people these

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<v Speaker 2>days are not far off from that description, which is

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<v Speaker 2>fucking pathetic.

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<v Speaker 1>I think. I don't think so well.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Maybe it's just people being outed in

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<v Speaker 2>their stories because social media is a little more prevalent,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. Yeah, but people like that just make me sick, Like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>people are people.

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<v Speaker 1>There's that line right there makes me almost want to

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<v Speaker 1>like vomit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's no if you're fucking age, sex, gender, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>the fuck, you're a person. I don't fucking look down

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<v Speaker 2>on anyone else. If you look down on other people,

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<v Speaker 2>I will look down on you for that. Seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one, this seems obvious, but he was also obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with his appearance. He spent a lot of time checking

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<v Speaker 1>himself out in the mirror. The vibe he was going

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<v Speaker 1>for was California beach Boy, and enjoyed how his appearance

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<v Speaker 1>fooled people. Is that funny? I'm sorry, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Who would go for California beach boy? Why don't you

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<v Speaker 2>just go for being a person?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, careful man, we have a lot of California listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that vibe is good.

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<v Speaker 2>If you end up with that vibe, there's nothing wrong

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<v Speaker 2>with that. But why would you try for that vibe?

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<v Speaker 1>And that is kind of like the Barbie Doll Can vibe,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Because they're all like Malibu. It was Malibu. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that California or Florida? That's Florida, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's California.

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<v Speaker 2>It's either east or West coast. Our geographic geography is terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll have to look that one up, Malibu.

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<v Speaker 2>Continue. I'm going to look it up on my phone

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<v Speaker 2>right now because I feel terrible for not knowing where

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<v Speaker 2>that is.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So I was just saying, though he enjoyed how

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<v Speaker 1>his appearance fooled people. He was sweet on the outside

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<v Speaker 1>it's California and angry on the inside what he called

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<v Speaker 1>deadly innocence.

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<v Speaker 2>What a deadly douche bag?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it California?

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<v Speaker 2>It's California.

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<v Speaker 1>I was right. We should have just gone with that

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm usually right.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, oh, you really want to go down this path?

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<v Speaker 2>Because you know I am right.

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<v Speaker 1>Way more I know you totally are, okay. So May

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen eighty seven is when Paul began acting out

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<v Speaker 1>his sexual fantasies by brutally raping women in skull barrel

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<v Speaker 1>at the age of twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck this guy's trash.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, man, like I gotta look here. He committed multiple

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<v Speaker 1>sexual assaults, escalating in viciousness, attacking most of his victims

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<v Speaker 1>after stalking them as they got off buses in the

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of interesting, I mean, I understand it at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time. But it's interesting how that works. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like anyone who does like multiple killings or assaults, like

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<v Speaker 2>a serial rapist kill or whatever, they always like test

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<v Speaker 2>the waters. They start small, and they work their way

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<v Speaker 2>bigger and bigger, and then it always or generally always

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<v Speaker 2>most times ends up biting them in their ass because

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<v Speaker 2>they get too confident in it and they just go

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<v Speaker 2>over and then that's when they get caught, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, because like they pretty much always get caught,

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<v Speaker 1>like you get caught.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah there. I mean, there are some killers out there,

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<v Speaker 2>like Jack the Ripper, for example, he never got caught.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know who he is to this day.

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<v Speaker 1>But the majority get caught.

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<v Speaker 2>Majority do. But it's always the same story. It's they

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<v Speaker 2>test the waters a little bit, whether it's even just

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<v Speaker 2>straight out starting with murder, but they will cover their

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<v Speaker 2>tracks very well, and then they'll start okay, maybe going

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<v Speaker 2>a little more prominent in the afternoon rather than that night,

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<v Speaker 2>or leaving some more evidence behind, not worrying too much.

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<v Speaker 1>If he did stick to this mL for quite a while,

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<v Speaker 1>he did, okay, Okay, So on May fourth, May the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth be with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I love you.

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<v Speaker 1>His first victim was twenty one, was a twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>year old woman who he followed home and raped in

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<v Speaker 1>front of her parents house, and the attack lasted more

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<v Speaker 1>than half an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>In front of the house like in public.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it was night right.

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<v Speaker 2>Still, I'm pretty sure she's making a racket, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll get through. We'll get some some did. Just

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<v Speaker 1>calm those titties. This is the first one.

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<v Speaker 2>My titties are flailing around, and let them flail free

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<v Speaker 2>the nip.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not wearing a brakay, okay, so not very long Later,

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<v Speaker 1>on May fourteenth, nineteen eighty seven, he raped a nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old in the backyard of her parents' house and

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<v Speaker 1>that attack lasted over an hour what like And that's

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<v Speaker 1>just like I don't know, I guess I envisioned like

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<v Speaker 1>attacks being like five ten minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa, whoa, whoa. You're really painting a bad picture for

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<v Speaker 2>her audience here.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not what I mean. But it's like generally, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like you're probably like going as quick as possible, not

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to get caught, but like he like prolonged the

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<v Speaker 1>freaking shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Our attacks generally lasts a lot longer than.

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<v Speaker 1>Put your ego aside. We're talking about the case.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, No yeat that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like that's a long bucket time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm sure like someone who's into that sort of thing,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever their mindset is, they're probably getting off on the attack,

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<v Speaker 2>So it would probably help heighten the experience and they

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<v Speaker 2>probably would nut sooner.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's it's just nasty or they might have, like

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<v Speaker 1>a few times, I don't know. On July seventeenth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty seven, he attempted to rape a young woman. He

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<v Speaker 1>beat her up, but a bandit the attack when she

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<v Speaker 1>fought back, So it's like, there you go. She fought

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<v Speaker 1>back enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Always fight back.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, Yeah, as much fight back.

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<v Speaker 2>And make as much noise as you can go for.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is coming from like I have a martial

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<v Speaker 2>arts background, did for like ten years. Yeah, go for

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<v Speaker 2>the eyes, the throat, the nose, the mouth, the balls,

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<v Speaker 2>any sort of soft spot ears. Don't try and run.

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<v Speaker 1>Fight because a lot of these people did fight or

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<v Speaker 1>like make it raucous and they got and they got away.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's how you do it. If you try and run,

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<v Speaker 2>it leaves an opening for them to keep attacking you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if you fight and hit him in soft spots. They're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be hurt. They're gonna be worried about other people

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<v Speaker 2>getting drawn attention in yeah, and they will run. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what you want to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that what that lady got away, thank god.

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<v Speaker 1>On September twenty, nineteen eighty seven, he attempted to rape

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<v Speaker 1>a fifteen year old like I'm like, that's so freaking young.

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<v Speaker 1>He broke into her house, jumped on her, put her

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<v Speaker 1>his hand over her mouth, threatened her with a knife,

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<v Speaker 1>but was interrupted by the girl's screaming mother and fled

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<v Speaker 1>the scene. Unfortunately, though, nineteen year old Anthony Haymaker Haymayer

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<v Speaker 1>was convicted of the sexual song Oh no, served a

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen month person sentence suck.

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<v Speaker 2>So did was that the full sentence he served and

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<v Speaker 2>then he got out or did they realize it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>They served the full sentence fuck, which actually sixteen months

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<v Speaker 1>isn't like very long. I mean, it was only he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't like get the rape in or anything. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so someone else paid for his.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if there's any retribution for that if because

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<v Speaker 2>clearly they found out it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, I think there is. When people are

430
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<v Speaker 1>wrongly convicted. There totally is well.

431
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<v Speaker 2>There should be is the thing? But if there usually

432
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<v Speaker 2>is another question?

433
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay. So next came Carla Homoka, but she was

434
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<v Speaker 1>not a rape victim. That name sounds familiar. In October

435
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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen eighty seven, Paul would meet Karl at a

436
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<v Speaker 1>restaurant in Scarborough Barbie while she was there attending a convention.

437
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<v Speaker 2>Is a comic con?

438
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<v Speaker 1>No? I think it was like a pet convention.

439
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, good, okay good. If it was comic con, I

440
00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:37.559
<v Speaker 2>would have to like retake back those words.

441
00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:41.319
<v Speaker 1>We were like, oh ah, don't go to kids, I asked.

442
00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:45.920
<v Speaker 1>They were sexually attracted to each other, almost immediately having

443
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<v Speaker 1>sex that night in the hotel room. Carla was born

444
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<v Speaker 1>on May fourth, nineteen seventy. I'm just going to talk

445
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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about her, Okay, let's hear it. The

446
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<v Speaker 1>oldest child. Have a family of three girls. They lived

447
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<v Speaker 1>in Saint Catharine's, Ontario, a little over an hour from Toronto.

448
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<v Speaker 1>Carla was a very bright young girl, scoring in the

449
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<v Speaker 1>gifted slash bit.

450
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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I said slash, You said the slash.

451
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<v Speaker 1>I love it.

452
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<v Speaker 2>You actually said the slash.

453
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's amazing. I mean some people do say slash,

454
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<v Speaker 1>she would actually, but like if I dashes now, everybody

455
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<v Speaker 1>like dash start a new sentence, Dash, start a new sentence.

456
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<v Speaker 2>Carla was a bitch, period. Paul was an ass period.

457
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so she was gifted. She scored a like Okay,

458
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<v Speaker 1>whoa where am I here? Backtracking in scoring in the

459
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<v Speaker 1>gifted very advanced classification on an IQ test in elementary school.

460
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<v Speaker 1>So she was like very bright.

461
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, she had a bright future ahead of her, and

462
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<v Speaker 2>she threw it all aways.

463
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<v Speaker 1>What you're telling us pretty much, she was a very

464
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<v Speaker 1>eager and good student, a perfectionist who wanted to please

465
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<v Speaker 1>the authorities in her life. She was also very good looking,

466
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<v Speaker 1>with long blonde hair and a girly girl who fantasized

467
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<v Speaker 1>about having the perfect husband, like her Barbie doll Ken,

468
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<v Speaker 1>who she played with as a child.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold On, are you describing you smart one girl, long

470
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<v Speaker 2>blonde hair.

471
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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's about marrying Ken.

472
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<v Speaker 2>Well, instead, you got like a fucking bearded dude with.

473
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<v Speaker 1>I know, was there a bearded Barbie? Maybe there is

474
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<v Speaker 1>now a bearded Ken.

475
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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I don't know, lumberjack Ken.

476
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<v Speaker 1>So and I did paint her like looking pretty good,

477
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<v Speaker 1>but she did have like some issues that I didn't

478
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<v Speaker 1>even put in here, but I also felt like they

479
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<v Speaker 1>maybe were normal child EXPLOREDI of things like some of

480
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<v Speaker 1>her playmates or her friends said that when they came

481
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<v Speaker 1>over to her house and they were like playing barbies,

482
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<v Speaker 1>she was very controlling and if if the barbies didn't

483
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<v Speaker 1>do what she wanted to do, then she put the

484
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<v Speaker 1>game away.

485
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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, like that's that's just yeah.

486
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<v Speaker 1>One thing that was kind of fucked up, especially since

487
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<v Speaker 1>she likes animals. They did like a they made a

488
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<v Speaker 1>parachute thing for a hamster and like through out the window.

489
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<v Speaker 2>Really, oh my god, that poor hamster. I know, Okay,

490
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<v Speaker 2>can we just have like a rest in peace for

491
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<v Speaker 2>all the hamsters out there who've died.

492
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<v Speaker 1>So they knocked like kids. Maybe I don't know, but

493
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<v Speaker 1>so it did clonk a little and then apparently died

494
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<v Speaker 1>like a few weeks later. It actually lasted, like didn't

495
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<v Speaker 1>die instantly.

496
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<v Speaker 2>It also because how many stories have you heard where

497
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<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh, my hamster got sucked up in the vacuum,

498
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<v Speaker 2>I dropped the cage on it, I stepped down, my

499
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<v Speaker 2>dog got it. Like these poor hamsters, like they must die.

500
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<v Speaker 2>The most gruesome death of any in the world.

501
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<v Speaker 1>Oh not my hamster. My hamster was like king. It

502
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<v Speaker 1>lasted so long too. And I remember like when we

503
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<v Speaker 1>would go on vacation, I would have like a calendar

504
00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:51.039
<v Speaker 1>and I would set out all the meals that this

505
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<v Speaker 1>you told me about get And but I bet you anything.

506
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<v Speaker 1>My dad just gave it whatever.

507
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<v Speaker 2>Probably probably forgot to feed it sometimes.

508
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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, so the hamster did die and then she

509
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<v Speaker 1>later like buried like unburied it or dug it up

510
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<v Speaker 1>to see like how it they composed? Is that weird?

511
00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:13.920
<v Speaker 1>That's probably a bit weird.

512
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<v Speaker 2>That's a bit weird. I mean curiosity is another thing though, Yeah.

513
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<v Speaker 1>Like a young girl just like because kids are curious,

514
00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:21.559
<v Speaker 1>they do weird things sometimes.

515
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that there's half that's really fucked up half.

516
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<v Speaker 2>I mean kids are fucked up in their nature anyways.

517
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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, So anyway, she I painted her pretty good.

518
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<v Speaker 1>I think she's mostly like pretty good, but she did

519
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<v Speaker 1>have like a dark side to her.

520
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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

521
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<v Speaker 1>So at the time of meeting Paul, Carla was in

522
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<v Speaker 1>her graduating year of high school and working part time

523
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<v Speaker 1>at a pet shop. After graduation in nineteen eighty eight,

524
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<v Speaker 1>she was hired to work as a veterinarian assistant. So

525
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<v Speaker 1>she did like animals?

526
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<v Speaker 2>Is this going to get like darker where she really

527
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<v Speaker 2>likes to investigate like a mammals?

528
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<v Speaker 1>And thank god, I probably wouldn't be talking about it.

529
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<v Speaker 2>Thought she's going to start doing like some weird autopsy

530
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<v Speaker 2>shit behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so after introducing her, we get to go back

532
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<v Speaker 1>to Paul's rap sheet.

533
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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, let's hear more about this. There's a lot

534
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<v Speaker 2>of words that crossed my mind, none of them more

535
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<v Speaker 2>suitable that I should say, So I'll just go back

536
00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:19.680
<v Speaker 2>to douche canoe. Let's hear more about this, douche Canoe.

537
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<v Speaker 1>So being in a relationship with Carla didn't slow Paul down.

538
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<v Speaker 1>Unlike other women Paul had met, Carla had a dark

539
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<v Speaker 1>side and encouraged Paul's sadistic sexual behavior. Oh gross, So

540
00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:34.640
<v Speaker 1>like fuel on the fire? Really right, you gotta.

541
00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Can't keep it between you two, but don't like yeah consent?

542
00:25:39.519 --> 00:25:43.319
<v Speaker 1>So yes that is Look at we're just teaching everyone

543
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<v Speaker 1>so much shit this episode.

544
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<v Speaker 2>Right, Welcome to Wickeding Grim. This is your your lesson

545
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<v Speaker 2>in not to be a douchebag.

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<v Speaker 1>And how to get rid of a fuck tart the

547
00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:58.359
<v Speaker 1>fuck tart, love it okay. On December sixteen, nineteen eighty seven,

548
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<v Speaker 1>he raped a fifteen year old girl. This was his

549
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<v Speaker 1>third rape, being that two I had mentioned earlier were

550
00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:08.039
<v Speaker 1>just like got interrupted, right, so there more I guess attempts.

551
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<v Speaker 1>This third rape caused the Toronto Police to issue a

552
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<v Speaker 1>warning to women in Scarborough traveling alone at nights, but

553
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<v Speaker 1>especially those riding buses. So his work was getting noticed.

554
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:25.240
<v Speaker 2>Right, So all these so far were still individuals getting

555
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<v Speaker 2>off of.

556
00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:29.960
<v Speaker 1>A bus, right, Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. So on December

557
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<v Speaker 1>twenty third, nineteen eighty seven, he raped a seventeen year

558
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<v Speaker 1>old girl with a knife that he used to threaten

559
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<v Speaker 1>his victims. So like, he raped her with the knife.

560
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<v Speaker 2>So like he he didn't like hold the knife up

561
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<v Speaker 2>to his throat and say like I'm going to rape you,

562
00:26:46.359 --> 00:26:49.799
<v Speaker 2>and he penetrated her. He took the knife and penetrated

563
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<v Speaker 2>her with the knife.

564
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<v Speaker 1>Yep, that's I thought that it was the first one,

565
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<v Speaker 1>and I kind of was hopeful that it was, but

566
00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:57.079
<v Speaker 1>then I dug deeper and it wasn't.

567
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<v Speaker 2>That is fucked up.

568
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, super fucked like super that's.

569
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<v Speaker 2>Reminiscent of the last case A little bit.

570
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<v Speaker 1>Actually, it actually makes you squirm in your seat a little.

571
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:12.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't even have that anatomy and I can

572
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:13.440
<v Speaker 2>almost feel it.

573
00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yep. At this point he began to be known

574
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<v Speaker 1>as the Scarborough rapist, is the Scarborough fucked hard. He

575
00:27:21.880 --> 00:27:25.480
<v Speaker 1>got a nickname four months, always get a nickname. Always

576
00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:28.279
<v Speaker 1>He's a lot of nicknames. Actually. Four months later, on

577
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<v Speaker 1>April eighteenth, nineteeny eight, he attacked a seventeen year old

578
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<v Speaker 1>girl in an assault that lasted forty five minutes. On

579
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<v Speaker 1>May twenty fifth, nineteen eighty eight, Paul was almost caught.

580
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<v Speaker 1>A uniformed Metro Toronto investigator staking out a bus stage

581
00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:48.400
<v Speaker 1>shelter noticed Paul hiding under a tree and pursued him

582
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<v Speaker 1>on foot, but Paul was able to escape.

583
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Shit, they were gosh.

584
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<v Speaker 1>It's been amazing if they caught him at that moment.

585
00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:57.799
<v Speaker 2>They were literally like out looking for him, as oh.

586
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, then, oh yeah totally. I mean it wouldn't be

587
00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:04.359
<v Speaker 1>amazing because he already ACKed up a few people's lives,

588
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:06.720
<v Speaker 1>but like he's about to f up a lot more so.

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<v Speaker 1>Five days later, on May thirtieth, eighty eight, he raped

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<v Speaker 1>an eighteen year old woman in mississaugu mississaugu Ontario, Mississauga.

591
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<v Speaker 2>I think is how you say it?

592
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<v Speaker 1>Oh, there's our ooh with how I always put ooh

593
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<v Speaker 1>with you in which is about forty kilometers southwest of

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<v Speaker 1>of Scarborough. On October fourth, he attempted to rape another victim,

595
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<v Speaker 1>but she fought off. She's a badass, fought off and

596
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:36.400
<v Speaker 1>only needed twelve stitches, which is still like really shitty,

597
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:37.680
<v Speaker 1>but like it could have been a hell of a

598
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>lot worse than like years of counsel counseling.

599
00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Right, that's what happens when you fight. You might get

600
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:45.000
<v Speaker 2>some stitches or something like that, but you.

601
00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.799
<v Speaker 1>Get away, but not necessarily because depending on their their

602
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<v Speaker 1>size too, like he might have been able to like

603
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:53.920
<v Speaker 1>you might not have been able to get away, right there.

604
00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Size means nothing if you dig your thumb in their eye.

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<v Speaker 1>Just saying, just saying, I guess well, I'm just saying

606
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<v Speaker 1>other victims they may have tried, right, yes.

607
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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>The next month, on November sixteenth, he raped an eighteen

609
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<v Speaker 1>year old in the parents in the background of her

610
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:14.759
<v Speaker 1>parents' house. The next day, the Metro Police formed a

611
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:17.920
<v Speaker 1>task force to capture the scar Barrel rapist.

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<v Speaker 2>So how many rapes are we up to now? Is

613
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<v Speaker 2>that six or seven?

614
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:24.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but at one point I do count

615
00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:27.480
<v Speaker 1>them again. Okay, okay, I'd have to go back and count.

616
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:29.440
<v Speaker 2>It's okay if you count them again.

617
00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:32.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I tell lists a few, like yeah, I think

618
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:33.279
<v Speaker 1>he gets up to like twelve.

619
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<v Speaker 2>I can wait, wow, wow, wait to drop that least?

620
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:41.799
<v Speaker 1>Fuck well, like, yeah, I'm just stopping. On December twenty seventh,

621
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.440
<v Speaker 1>two days after Christmas, Paul attempted another rape, but was

622
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:46.720
<v Speaker 1>chased off by a neighbor.

623
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<v Speaker 2>That's the shittiest package you want to receive on Christmas?

624
00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:52.400
<v Speaker 1>I know, wow, Like shit, sorry that neighbor.

625
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:53.079
<v Speaker 2>It was a bad joke.

626
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:54.599
<v Speaker 1>It was a really bad joke. And I'm not even

627
00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:57.160
<v Speaker 1>going to go into that six months.

628
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<v Speaker 2>Later, like the glare you just he gave me.

629
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<v Speaker 1>Six months later, on June twentieth, nineteen eighty nine, he

630
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<v Speaker 1>was at it again. He attempted to rape a young woman,

631
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:10.480
<v Speaker 1>but she fought back and her screams alerted neighbors. Paul

632
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:13.880
<v Speaker 1>got away, but he had scratches on his face from her.

633
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:16.599
<v Speaker 2>That's good, an identifying thing.

634
00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:18.640
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that didn't do anything.

635
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Fuck I was hoping.

636
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<v Speaker 1>On August fifteenth, Paul committed his eighth there we go,

637
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<v Speaker 1>eighth rape a twenty two year old woman. He had

638
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.039
<v Speaker 1>stalked her the previous night from outside her apartment window

639
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.039
<v Speaker 1>and waited for her to arrive home, then attacked her.

640
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<v Speaker 1>And this attack lasted for two hours. Jesus, Oh, like

641
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:40.559
<v Speaker 1>that's just like like like.

642
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:42.839
<v Speaker 2>Laugh, Oh that sucks.

643
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:48.160
<v Speaker 1>On November forty four days though, that's true. On November

644
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:50.680
<v Speaker 1>twenty first, he raped a fifteen year old girl he

645
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:54.119
<v Speaker 1>saw on a bus shelter. That attack lasted forty five minutes.

646
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Fox sakes.

647
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:56.279
<v Speaker 1>I almost feel like I don't want to say how

648
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:57.920
<v Speaker 1>long they lasted, but I have it in her soul.

649
00:30:58.000 --> 00:30:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Say yeah, let us know.

650
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:03.279
<v Speaker 1>One month later, on December twenty second, nineteen, we're still

651
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:08.160
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty nine, he had his tenth rape. He

652
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:10.359
<v Speaker 1>attacked Sorry, I was like, where am i? He attacked

653
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:13.000
<v Speaker 1>a nineteen year old in a stairwell of an underground

654
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:18.359
<v Speaker 1>parking lot. And two days after that rape, he proposed

655
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:21.720
<v Speaker 1>to Carla, and maybe they became engaged on a romantic

656
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:23.279
<v Speaker 1>trip to Niagara Falls.

657
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:25.119
<v Speaker 2>And she knows about all these, doesn't she?

658
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:25.640
<v Speaker 1>No?

659
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh she doesn't.

660
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.279
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I don't know. So I don't. Yeah, I don't

661
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:32.000
<v Speaker 1>like her, so I think that she probably had a suspicion.

662
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:35.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is this is a bit of a fucked

663
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:36.839
<v Speaker 2>up case. Are you going to drink that white clock

664
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:37.720
<v Speaker 2>because I think I need it?

665
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:39.039
<v Speaker 1>Do you want it?

666
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

667
00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:42.559
<v Speaker 1>Holy shit, Ben, you've already finished a nude now you're.

668
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:46.319
<v Speaker 2>On Yes, give me the alcohol. I need it.

669
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Wow. I was saving that for later, but I guess

670
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:50.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm out mine.

671
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Now you have wine, you have lots of booze. You're good.

672
00:31:54.599 --> 00:32:00.519
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So with Paul living in Scarbear, Scarborough, Scarborough, I

673
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:05.400
<v Speaker 1>feel bad one fine, and Carla living in Saint Catharine's,

674
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:07.480
<v Speaker 1>which was like an hour and a half away. The

675
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:10.279
<v Speaker 1>distance was getting in the way of the relationship, so

676
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:12.200
<v Speaker 1>they that's I think that was one reason why they

677
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:13.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of took it to the next level.

678
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:15.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I gotcha.

679
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:18.799
<v Speaker 1>Being a newly engaged man, however, did not stop Paul.

680
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:24.279
<v Speaker 1>He's unstoppable, and on May twenty sixth, nineteen ninety, he

681
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:26.880
<v Speaker 1>was at it again and raped a nineteen year old woman.

682
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:31.119
<v Speaker 1>This rape lasted over an hour, but it was different.

683
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:31.920
<v Speaker 1>It was different.

684
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:32.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

685
00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:38.359
<v Speaker 1>His victim had a vivid recollection of him, which enabled

686
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:42.240
<v Speaker 1>police to create a computer composite portrait of Paul, which

687
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>was released two days later and published in Toronto and

688
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:46.359
<v Speaker 1>area newspapers.

689
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:48.920
<v Speaker 2>So there was no physical description of what he looked

690
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:54.480
<v Speaker 2>like prior to this. None of his victims remember really yeah, wow, so.

691
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:56.079
<v Speaker 1>I know, and I never said anything about him wearing

692
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:57.079
<v Speaker 1>a mask or anything.

693
00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:59.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm wondering if it's just like traumatic and.

694
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:02.880
<v Speaker 1>This just blocking like the attempted ones. Yeah, so this

695
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:05.400
<v Speaker 1>was like the first one where they were like able

696
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:07.119
<v Speaker 1>to like get a portrait out there.

697
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:10.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, good on her for having that memory of that.

698
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:12.119
<v Speaker 1>I know, because she was actually like got raved like

699
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:14.920
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't an attempt or anything. And there was also

700
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.839
<v Speaker 1>a ward of one hundred and fifty thousand for information

701
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:24.000
<v Speaker 1>that could lead to the rest of him. So from

702
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:28.279
<v Speaker 1>May to September of nineteen ninety, police submitted more than

703
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:34.480
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and thirty suspects samples for DNA testing. Like

704
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:37.920
<v Speaker 1>that's a block. Apparently there are voluntary samples which I

705
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:39.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't put in here, but because I think that's really

706
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:45.359
<v Speaker 1>fucked up, because like if you're volunteering, volunteering, then like

707
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:50.039
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's probably not you, but Paul. At

708
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:50.880
<v Speaker 1>one point did put.

709
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:55.000
<v Speaker 2>A sample into he did, oh shit, but it probably

710
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:56.519
<v Speaker 2>didn't get idea though or something.

711
00:33:56.599 --> 00:33:59.160
<v Speaker 1>We'll get there, okay, So they had they got a

712
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:02.160
<v Speaker 1>shit to the samples basically, and they also received two

713
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:05.880
<v Speaker 1>reports that the person they were searching for was Paul

714
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:08.960
<v Speaker 1>and Liz is going to piss you off. The first

715
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:11.960
<v Speaker 1>came in June and had been called in by a

716
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:15.840
<v Speaker 1>bank employee blah blah, but the second Paul, was received

717
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:19.159
<v Speaker 1>from a wife of one of Paul's closest friends. Really,

718
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.239
<v Speaker 1>she told detectives that Paul had been called in on

719
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:25.800
<v Speaker 1>a previous rape investigation in December of nineteen eighty seven,

720
00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:29.360
<v Speaker 1>but had never been interviewed. She also mentioned that Paul

721
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:32.280
<v Speaker 1>frequently talked about his sex life to his husband and

722
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:37.599
<v Speaker 1>liked rough sex and anal sex. However, apparently her phrasing

723
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:43.199
<v Speaker 1>was awkward and consequently left detectives unsure of whether to

724
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:49.679
<v Speaker 1>take her seriously. Why but there's more, Oh my god, okay,

725
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:55.039
<v Speaker 1>But after cross checking several files, the detectives did decide

726
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:58.760
<v Speaker 1>to interview Paul Good. The interview was on November twentieth,

727
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:03.559
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety lasted thirty five minutes, with Paul voluntarily giving

728
00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:08.920
<v Speaker 1>a sample for forensic testing. The detective did ask Paul

729
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:12.119
<v Speaker 1>why he thought he was being investigated for the rapes,

730
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.800
<v Speaker 1>and he admitted that he did resemble the portrait. So

731
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:20.760
<v Speaker 1>he admitted that the detectives concluded that such a well educated, fucking,

732
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:25.679
<v Speaker 1>well adjusted young man couldn't possibly be responsible for vicious crimes,

733
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:28.880
<v Speaker 1>and he was far more credible than the wife who

734
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:31.559
<v Speaker 1>had called in with her awkward, strange way of speaking,

735
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:34.800
<v Speaker 1>and that person may have just been trying to collect

736
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:35.360
<v Speaker 1>the reward.

737
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:37.079
<v Speaker 2>That's fucked up.

738
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:40.280
<v Speaker 1>I think that's so bullshit. She was probably nervous as

739
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:43.280
<v Speaker 1>fucked call in because like he was, probably like her friend.

740
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, like you're calling in, you're talking about all

741
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:48.920
<v Speaker 2>this awkward shit people, you don't know, Like, it's a

742
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:50.119
<v Speaker 2>fucking weird situation.

743
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:52.159
<v Speaker 1>I would be sweating, Like my palms would be sweaty,

744
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:52.559
<v Speaker 1>for sure.

745
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:55.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, palm sweating, knees, weak arms are heavy, involving on

746
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:59.760
<v Speaker 2>your sweater already. It's mom spaghetti like, yeah, definitely, what

747
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:00.760
<v Speaker 2>the frig.

748
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:04.039
<v Speaker 1>Like, Oh my goodness, that makes me really angry. So

749
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Paul was released and his DNA sample was put in

750
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:09.960
<v Speaker 1>the pool of other DNA samples to be tested. And

751
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:13.440
<v Speaker 1>in the nineties, DNA tests were not a quick process.

752
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you just painted a really bad oy.

753
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:17.679
<v Speaker 1>Not all in the same I know.

754
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:20.960
<v Speaker 2>But the whole time you've been saying samples, and every

755
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:25.159
<v Speaker 2>time you said samples, I just I'm picturing these vials,

756
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:27.440
<v Speaker 2>and then you said put in the pool, and now

757
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm picturing a pool of it, just a big lummy

758
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:31.599
<v Speaker 2>pool of semen.

759
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:32.519
<v Speaker 1>Yum.

760
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:36.360
<v Speaker 2>No, that does not sound yummy. That sounds really gross.

761
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:38.800
<v Speaker 1>Because that would have been what the samples were, right.

762
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:42.559
<v Speaker 2>I would assume, because I would assume they're collecting semen samples.

763
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:47.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because like, yeah, blood wouldn't necessarily work, so I

764
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:50.280
<v Speaker 1>would assume they're matching samples. I just got a lot

765
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:55.280
<v Speaker 1>of nasty visuals. Enjoy those, people, Sorry, enjoy them.

766
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:57.559
<v Speaker 2>You're the one who said pool of samples.

767
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, see you ready for some marstria, I guess. So

768
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:07.039
<v Speaker 1>the next part to Paul and Carla's story is even

769
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:09.119
<v Speaker 1>less fun than what I've already talked about.

770
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:10.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh here we go. I need to.

771
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:12.840
<v Speaker 1>Portray yourself like you might need another fucking white claw.

772
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:13.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying that.

773
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:15.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

774
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:19.920
<v Speaker 1>One good thing is that the Scarborough rape stopped, But

775
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:23.280
<v Speaker 1>This was because after the interview, Paul went to live

776
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:27.360
<v Speaker 1>with Carla at her parents' house in Saint Catherine's before

777
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:32.599
<v Speaker 1>they would find a home of their own. But but Carla,

778
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:36.719
<v Speaker 1>being the oldest child of the family, had younger sisters.

779
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Fuck sakes.

780
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh, you can use your imagination.

781
00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:45.519
<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, did, and she did nothing.

782
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:49.039
<v Speaker 1>Well just wait, babe, just wait. This is a rocky

783
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:52.519
<v Speaker 1>ride and we're gonna wrap it up here this first.

784
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Episode pretty quick, sakes, Okay.

785
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:59.760
<v Speaker 1>At this point in time, Paul's relationship with Carla would

786
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:03.599
<v Speaker 1>all intensify. She would actively let him indulge in his

787
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:07.920
<v Speaker 1>violent fantasies with her, but this would often lead to

788
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:08.840
<v Speaker 1>her being beaten.

789
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Really, and she doesn't do shit well. Remember, she's kind

790
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:16.840
<v Speaker 2>of fucked up too, I guess, so she enjoys it rough.

791
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:19.320
<v Speaker 2>I guess some people do well.

792
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.159
<v Speaker 1>At the beginning too. Like remember she likes please authority.

793
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:25.280
<v Speaker 1>She might have thought that Paul was like authority. It's

794
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:28.280
<v Speaker 1>like she's fucked up to. Paul would also make remarks

795
00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:32.320
<v Speaker 1>to car Carla that she was used goods since he

796
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:36.000
<v Speaker 1>wasn't her first sexual partner. This made Carla.

797
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Panic And what does that make him?

798
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:40.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh? I know he's nastic goods.

799
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:43.119
<v Speaker 2>He's fucking goodwill shit down at the corner. That's not

800
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:45.280
<v Speaker 2>selling the dumpster in the back.

801
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:49.760
<v Speaker 1>But this made Carla panic. She couldn't possibly lose her

802
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:51.760
<v Speaker 1>Ken in quotation, right.

803
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:55.159
<v Speaker 2>Okay, were they identifying themselves as Ken?

804
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:58.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. Okay, good, but they're just like attractive,

805
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:03.880
<v Speaker 1>like and they had this this two lives basically right

806
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.000
<v Speaker 1>to the public. They were like just perfect and then

807
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:10.960
<v Speaker 1>like they look like Barbie Ken, Like they're just perfect.

808
00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:13.960
<v Speaker 2>I was just really hoping they didn't give themselves that name.

809
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:18.039
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think Okay, I don't think so. So, yeah,

810
00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:22.360
<v Speaker 1>she didn't want to lose Ken, so what she would

811
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:28.800
<v Speaker 1>offer next is unthinkable. She offered him her own little

812
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:32.760
<v Speaker 1>sisters as a Christmas present.

813
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:34.119
<v Speaker 2>As a Christmas present?

814
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:34.840
<v Speaker 1>What the fuck?

815
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:38.119
<v Speaker 2>What the actual fuck?

816
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:48.639
<v Speaker 1>Yep, yep, that's a whole I like, I was researching

817
00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:50.199
<v Speaker 1>this and I knew the case was pretty bad, but

818
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:52.760
<v Speaker 1>I was also like, oh shit, do I like want

819
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:56.199
<v Speaker 1>to keep researching this? But it happened. It's a pretty

820
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:58.639
<v Speaker 1>popular or famous case. A lot of people know about it,

821
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:02.199
<v Speaker 1>so we're doing it. But yeah, Carla and is a

822
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:03.000
<v Speaker 1>motherfucker too.

823
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:07.320
<v Speaker 2>I want to say one thing though, so far, I

824
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:12.760
<v Speaker 2>almost feel bad for Carla because she's just so love

825
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:16.400
<v Speaker 2>struck by this fucking filth of a human being that

826
00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:17.719
<v Speaker 2>she's willing to do anything.

827
00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:20.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I feel like it was like mutual, like

828
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:24.280
<v Speaker 1>he was pretty into her too. Well I'm sure he is,

829
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:27.159
<v Speaker 1>but he has like he's a sex problem. Really, but

830
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:27.559
<v Speaker 1>what you.

831
00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:30.159
<v Speaker 2>Just, as far as I am unwrapping what you just

832
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:33.159
<v Speaker 2>told me, she's doing this so he stays with her.

833
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:38.159
<v Speaker 1>He's giving her a gift. Yeah, there was, there was

834
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:40.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm a gift. What did I say?

835
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:41.880
<v Speaker 2>He's giving her a gift?

836
00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Yeah, what you said?

837
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay? What I said? Okay?

838
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:48.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't when am I talking about this? Am I

839
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:52.639
<v Speaker 1>talking about this at this point? I don't know. I

840
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:56.840
<v Speaker 1>think I might know. I think it might be next episode.

841
00:40:56.920 --> 00:41:02.119
<v Speaker 1>But like there was some issues between Arla and Tam Tammy.

842
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:04.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if I've said her name anyway, anyway.

843
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:08.760
<v Speaker 2>So her Tammy? Yes, Okay, But still, as far as

844
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:11.840
<v Speaker 2>I can gather, I think she's just so pressured by

845
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:13.239
<v Speaker 2>losing him or.

846
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:15.719
<v Speaker 1>The idea of her because pretty soon I'm about to

847
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:17.480
<v Speaker 1>say one next sentence that makes her looks like a

848
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:18.280
<v Speaker 1>piece of shit too.

849
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, let's hear that piece of shit sentence.

850
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:25.159
<v Speaker 1>Maybe her like, what's going on? Are they fighting?

851
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Maybe our dogs? That is weird?

852
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:31.679
<v Speaker 1>Okay? And then you had kind of asked us earlier,

853
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:34.639
<v Speaker 1>but Carla was not fully aware at the time that

854
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:38.800
<v Speaker 1>Paul was the Scar Scar Barrel rapist. Yeah, but I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like she had to have some sort of suspicion

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<v Speaker 1>right to even like think about offering up her sisters.

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<v Speaker 2>I would think so, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, And then Paul had also apparently asked her at

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<v Speaker 1>one point what she would think if he was the

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<v Speaker 1>Scar Scarbarol rapist, and she said that would be cool. What, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be cool?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Fuck her, never mind, never mind, she can just

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<v Speaker 2>fucking burn like.

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<v Speaker 1>That's weird, right it is.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, well, I mean, she's just so wound up

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<v Speaker 2>in him she's gonna do anything. Not that she's not

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<v Speaker 2>a piece of shit, she clearly is, but she's just

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<v Speaker 2>so captivated and wound up in being with this fucking

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<v Speaker 2>loser that she's willing to do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. So anyway, basically

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<v Speaker 1>we're stopping. Fuck, we know that Paul's next victim is Tammy,

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<v Speaker 1>which is Carla's little sister, which is real fucked.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh see, I thought Carla already happened. You're gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>into detail with this, Okay, what do you.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean Tammy or Tammy?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, there's some detail.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit.

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<v Speaker 1>And the next the next victims, there's some detail.

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<v Speaker 2>It's I'm gonna need whiskey.

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<v Speaker 1>So we need to maybe go to the liquor store

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<v Speaker 1>to stalk up Them's more white clothes for you.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm gonna need whiskey for this. White claws ain't

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<v Speaker 2>gonna cut it anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's part one. Part two will be out on Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>and just prepare yourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes sure you stay wicked.