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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property. And for this week of June thirtieth,

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<v Speaker 1>we're continuing with Lost, Season three, episode five, the Cost

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<v Speaker 1>of Living. And there's a lot going on in this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm, the least interesting of it being Hey, did

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<v Speaker 1>you know that Echo had all these experiences so we've

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<v Speaker 1>heard about already before.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one last hurrah for mister Echo.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's right. I always thought that Echo got

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<v Speaker 1>killed off because there was some that the actor had

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<v Speaker 1>gotten some tickets and DUIs and was a problem. That

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<v Speaker 1>is not the case this actor, whose name I am

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<v Speaker 1>not going to say because.

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<v Speaker 2>It's too hard.

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<v Speaker 1>This particular actor just did not like living in Hawaii

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<v Speaker 1>and wanted to go home to England, I believe, and

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<v Speaker 1>asked to be written out. So the smoke monster works

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<v Speaker 1>in mysterious ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Give it and take it away.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, we got to get rid of this character. What

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<v Speaker 1>are we gonna do? Is he gonna get off the island?

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<v Speaker 1>Are the others gonna shoot him? I know, We'll just

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<v Speaker 1>have a big thing of smoke, pick him up and

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<v Speaker 1>dash him to the ground. And he's done. So, but

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<v Speaker 1>first let's go over his backstory one more time, shall we.

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<v Speaker 2>So it really does always take me by surprise though

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<v Speaker 2>when somebody dies. I mean there's always like peril, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and and it's like, oh, it does not good. But

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<v Speaker 2>then when it actually happens, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, oh what, Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Did they mean to do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Do they need to kill Boone?

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<v Speaker 2>Did they need to kill Shannon?

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<v Speaker 1>Did they need to kill Libby?

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to see it? Like what?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I need.

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<v Speaker 2>To I need to be a little less Yeah, interesting, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess anybody can die, although not certain people. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>if if if you were, say, I don't know, a

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<v Speaker 1>couple that comes out of nowhere and is suddenly very

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<v Speaker 1>central to the action, I would be on day with

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<v Speaker 1>your agent. I'm not getting into attached to the tattoo.

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<v Speaker 1>They do kind of have cannon fodder written on their backs.

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<v Speaker 2>Well when when Paolo just like, oh look the toilet flushes,

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<v Speaker 2>like okay, guy, you know your comic relief at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, though, if you had been on this island for

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<v Speaker 1>however many days, I know, doing it in a hole

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<v Speaker 1>in the ground you saw a toilet, would you not

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<v Speaker 1>immediately going, yes, get me in there. Yes, it was

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<v Speaker 1>comic relief. But didn't we all feel libit like yeah, yeah, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's all these screens and all this mysterious stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>toilet toilet that hasn't been cleaned for I know knows

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<v Speaker 1>how long, but still better than a log and a

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<v Speaker 1>piece of moss. So they just were very egregiously centralized

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode. And and you know subtext of we've

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<v Speaker 1>been reading all the forums and the blog posts when

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<v Speaker 1>they're like Nikki says to Polo, you're always talking about

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<v Speaker 1>why you don't get to go along, you know, now

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<v Speaker 3>Go along, and uh, okay, right, Yes, they needed to

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<v Speaker 3>use some of Kate's wardrobe because she's just stuck in

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<v Speaker 3>a cage somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, come on over here, you can wear the

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<v Speaker 1>short shirts now. But yeah, that's that is kind of silly.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, they got a trip to Hawaii. So meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>over on other island, yes, mind games galore. They just

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<v Speaker 1>live for the mind games. There there were there were

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<v Speaker 1>X rays all over the place of Ben's spinal tumor.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's surprised that Juliet told him, right who decorated

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<v Speaker 1>this the room anyway? Because obviously anyway, and then Ben

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<v Speaker 1>is trying to put doubt in Jack's mind about Juliet,

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<v Speaker 1>and juliett is trying to put doubt in Jack's mind

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<v Speaker 1>about Ben. And it's all just such fun. They're just

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<v Speaker 1>having themselves a good time, and don't what did they

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<v Speaker 1>what did they do under a normal day when they

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<v Speaker 1>don't have hostages?

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<v Speaker 2>They move these rocks from point A to point.

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<v Speaker 1>Have the tuckmore parties all been canceled?

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. They had a book club.

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<v Speaker 1>The book club not active because we have mind games

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<v Speaker 1>to play. It's mind games time, and.

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<v Speaker 2>We have captives. We have to earn a ritual funeral

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<v Speaker 2>that takes up some time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, weird ritual funeral.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna shift you out to see.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just they're just having so much fun with Jack.

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<v Speaker 1>He's such a square jot, serious dude, and they're just

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<v Speaker 1>they might just laugh and laugh, but who knows what

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<v Speaker 1>exactly is going on. Although if you did have a

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<v Speaker 1>spinal tumor and a spinal surgeon fell out at the sky,

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<v Speaker 1>I can see how you would like do everything Ben

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<v Speaker 2>But also like just why does he Why does Ben

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<v Speaker 2>go through this whole thing of like I want you

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<v Speaker 2>to want to do it? Like who cares? Just make

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<v Speaker 2>him do it?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like he think he won't he won't do it,

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<v Speaker 2>right if he's being forced at gunpoint to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Ben enjoys mess it with people. Yes, And

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly do not remember this whole plot at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember what the deal is exactly. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, is Juliet for real? Or did Ben figure

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<v Speaker 1>that the best way to get Jack to do the

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<v Speaker 1>surgery is to make him do a hate surgery. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he would be too square jot an individual

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<v Speaker 1>to actually kill somebody on the operating So the whole

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<v Speaker 1>there's just so many possibilities whirling around, Yes, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>just going to try all of them at see which one. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine that Kate and Sawyer are there for leverage, right,

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<v Speaker 1>although I don't know that Jack is going to do

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<v Speaker 1>anything to save Sawyer. But yeah, he would because he's

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<v Speaker 1>the hero guy. But yeah, just I'm imagining them sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in a room somewhere, maybe after book club, planning how

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<v Speaker 1>to mess with Jack. How about if you do this,

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<v Speaker 1>you go say this, and then you I'll go say that, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the number of steps involved in this plant.

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<v Speaker 2>It couldn't have just been like, hey, guys, I see

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<v Speaker 2>you crash your plane. Here, let me tell you how

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<v Speaker 2>you can service. Like, no, we're gonna do all this.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. They have a lot of hours of television

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<v Speaker 1>to Phil Catherine, I cannot be overstated how many hours

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<v Speaker 1>of television they have to fill in and how negatively

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<v Speaker 1>that impacts the plot. But yes, you would think they

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<v Speaker 1>would send an emissary over a cent well, but see,

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<v Speaker 1>how do they even know he's a spinal surgeon. How

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<v Speaker 1>do they have this information? They would have to explain that.

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<v Speaker 1>They can't just stop it and say, excuse me, anyone

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<v Speaker 1>here happened to have particular specialty we have. I know

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<v Speaker 1>you're not gonna believe this. We have a whole hospital

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<v Speaker 1>set up here. If somebody could just come and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>give you some cants. Juliette will bake you so much,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, that's right. Can't be sure if I'll be burnt,

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<v Speaker 1>but we'll use whatever technology we have here to help

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<v Speaker 1>you out. But they enjoy messing well, Ben enjoys messing

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<v Speaker 1>with people, for sure. We don't know about the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of them. But I'm kind of thinking Juliet might enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>messing with people also.

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<v Speaker 2>So so Juliet comes up with this whole you know,

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<v Speaker 2>love actually plan to communicate with Jack via videotape written signs.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, but when did she film this? And how

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<v Speaker 2>like she has a cam quarter somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is why I don't think we can take

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<v Speaker 1>it at face value. How exactly is she doing this?

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<v Speaker 1>This seems like a whole group endeavor, but h yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're really bored over there. Instead of just being forthright,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go through all this rigmarole.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I feel like if all they said to Jack

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<v Speaker 2>was like, do this surgery and we'll let you and

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<v Speaker 2>Kate and so I go, he'd be like, yep, scrub me.

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<v Speaker 1>In exactly, or alternatively, do this surgery or will kill them.

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<v Speaker 1>But just like that, they have to play a variety

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<v Speaker 1>of mind games instead of just directly asking for what

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<v Speaker 1>they want. They are super bored over there on other islands.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just another day in the jungle, you know, let's

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<v Speaker 1>have us some fun before we you know, if he

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<v Speaker 1>actually does have a tumor, I don't even remember if

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<v Speaker 1>that was the case. So I think we have to

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<v Speaker 1>allow for the possibility that it's all just this is true,

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<v Speaker 1>It's all just the yank and Jack's chain for no

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<v Speaker 1>reason whatsoever. It's weird that I just completely don't remember it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I remember mister Ecco meeting his demise. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>Nikki and Pallo being ridiculous. I don't remember the whole

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<v Speaker 1>tumor thing, but there was a lot of plot. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>brains can only hold some us right, right, oh my?

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<v Speaker 2>Just like as a parent, you know, be straightforward, because

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<v Speaker 2>if you have to keep track of an incredibly elaborate

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<v Speaker 1>It's not gonna go like just be yeah, absolutely, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a trap. A lot of parents get in. It's building

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<v Speaker 1>an elaborate structure around there. They try playing my games

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<v Speaker 1>with the kids, in other words, and then you have

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<v Speaker 1>to remember all the things you've done and follow through

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<v Speaker 1>on them. And that's not gonna happen. Come on, just

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<v Speaker 1>just say clean your room or your teddy bear gets it?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, see how well they do easy, easy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>putting teddy in a submarine and sending it off who

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<v Speaker 1>knows where?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I definitely get the like, let's make them

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<v Speaker 2>think it's their idea. I guess that Ben is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>saying that that's what he was trying to do with Jack.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that can be effective with children and partner,

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<v Speaker 2>but perhaps not necessary in this situation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that you just need to watch the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>infrastructure that goes into that. You can do it easily quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>that's great. If it involves several months of laying the groundwork,

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<v Speaker 1>then probably it's not worth the trouble, or it's about

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<v Speaker 1>something other than getting your way it's about just that

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<v Speaker 1>you just like playing people, and it is fun to

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<v Speaker 1>play your kids sometimes, you know, but remember you are

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<v Speaker 1>Ben when you do those things, right, Ben, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a good guy. Ben is very bored. Yeah, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>not good.

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<v Speaker 2>He came up at the library that I was watching

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<v Speaker 2>this show.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh, and one.

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<v Speaker 2>Of my coworkers is like, you know, where are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Like where what episode? And this was a little while ago.

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<v Speaker 2>and and she was like, have you met wait, have

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<v Speaker 2>you met Ben? Ben's my favorite character.

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<v Speaker 1>I was kind of that way to which episode does

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<v Speaker 2>And now that I know, then I'm like, oh, well, interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>That's your favorite character. You're right, We're gonna have a

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<v Speaker 2>So what you're telling me is he's not going to die.

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<v Speaker 1>That you can when you when you have a character

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<v Speaker 1>that people feel that way about, you're he's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to die on an operating table. So I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you need to worry about that. But just a really

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<v Speaker 1>great performance by Michael Emerson. Yeah, and just giving that

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<v Speaker 1>guy he could say anything at any time, do anything

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<v Speaker 1>at any time, and you would go, Yep, that's that guy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but let's see what other parenting tips can we get

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<v Speaker 1>from this?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when Locke is like, sure anybody can go, I

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<v Speaker 1>Of like, you know, nobody was invited.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody was invited. It was very controlled for a very

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<v Speaker 2>long time, and then all of a sudden like free

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<v Speaker 2>for all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. If there's somebody who's always been in charge, an

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<v Speaker 1>alpha person who's always been in charge, and then that

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<v Speaker 1>person is not available and somebody else steps in, it's

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<v Speaker 1>always going to be kind of a mess, and you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to be that person, right. It's like everybody

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<v Speaker 1>can hate the head of the PTA, but nobody's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>want to step up and take that job.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's like the joy of hating the person who

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<v Speaker 1>does it doesn't necessarily mean that you want to be

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<v Speaker 1>to it. Yeah, so be careful. Talk behind her back,

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<v Speaker 1>but don't tick her off so she quits exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't let her get kidnapped by some weirdos. That's your

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, I mean maybe with mom and dad,

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<v Speaker 1>it's dad mate say things about how Mom does stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>but he doesn't necessarily really want to do it himself,

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<v Speaker 1>so you have to be careful and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>do you really want the other parent to be in

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think most moms also, I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 1>get that feeling like I don't want to do this,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't trust anybody else to do this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm doing this, Yeah for sure, But y'all

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<v Speaker 1>can show a little appreciation when Jack comes back. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope they all say, hey, man, we're sorry if we

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<v Speaker 1>weren't appropriately respectful before you go away. And these nobody's

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all of a sudden, Paolo's in charge. What who

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<v Speaker 2>are you?

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<v Speaker 1>He's just so blatantly these two guys. Let's see how

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<v Speaker 1>anything else parenting wise. Oh, this was a all of

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<v Speaker 1>these flashbacks. I guess this all of them show how

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<v Speaker 1>bad things that happened to you in childhood always come

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<v Speaker 1>full adulthood, which I think his parents we often hope

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<v Speaker 1>is not the case. You know, we that's the only

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<v Speaker 1>way we can survive is by assuming that's not the case. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this was bad, but you'll forget this. This will just

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<v Speaker 1>be all in the background. This isn't gonna this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>gonna come back to haunt you on an island. A

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<v Speaker 1>smoke monster isn't going to reenact this scene with you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be fine. And I am going to clutch

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<v Speaker 1>onto that as hard as I can, because there's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>you can do about those bass splashbacks unless you're maybe

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<v Speaker 1>But he was quiet this week. Yeah, we didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>get he was off somewhere communing with the future.

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<v Speaker 2>He did not end. He was not interest in revisiting

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<v Speaker 2>the flush toilet and everyone else is so excited.

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<v Speaker 1>About that's right. Maybe he can see that one day

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<v Speaker 1>something bad is going to happen in that room. Could

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<v Speaker 1>be do they have any magazines in there or anything?

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<v Speaker 1>Bones raid Sawyer's stash of reading material and puts on there.

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<v Speaker 1>You go, Oh well, another day on the island, another

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<v Speaker 1>goodbye to a cast member, another round of mind games,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is Lost. Next Tuesday will continue with season three,

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<v Speaker 1>episode six of Lost. I do It's another Kate episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you hear she's a future It's quite a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of decisions in her life. No, they're afraid. We haven't

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<v Speaker 1>quite got it any So she's heard that Nikki is

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<v Speaker 1>wearing her clothes and she is tagged oh boy. When

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<v Speaker 1>she gets back there, there's gonna be a girl fight

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<v Speaker 1>if indeed Nikki is still alive. Okay, we will see

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