Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
Speaker 2: and let's all make like we're doing something important for
Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property. And for this week of June thirtieth,
Speaker 1: we're continuing with Lost, Season three, episode five, the Cost
Speaker 1: of Living. And there's a lot going on in this thing.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, the least interesting of it being Hey, did
Speaker 1: you know that Echo had all these experiences so we've
Speaker 1: heard about already before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one last hurrah for mister Echo.
Speaker 1: I guess that's right. I always thought that Echo got
Speaker 1: killed off because there was some that the actor had
Speaker 1: gotten some tickets and DUIs and was a problem. That
Speaker 1: is not the case this actor, whose name I am
Speaker 1: not going to say because.
Speaker 2: It's too hard.
Speaker 1: This particular actor just did not like living in Hawaii
Speaker 1: and wanted to go home to England, I believe, and
Speaker 1: asked to be written out. So the smoke monster works
Speaker 1: in mysterious ways.
Speaker 2: Give it and take it away.
Speaker 1: Oh, we got to get rid of this character. What
Speaker 1: are we gonna do? Is he gonna get off the island?
Speaker 1: Are the others gonna shoot him? I know, We'll just
Speaker 1: have a big thing of smoke, pick him up and
Speaker 1: dash him to the ground. And he's done. So, but
Speaker 1: first let's go over his backstory one more time, shall we.
Speaker 2: So it really does always take me by surprise though
Speaker 2: when somebody dies. I mean there's always like peril, right,
Speaker 2: and and it's like, oh, it does not good. But
Speaker 2: then when it actually happens, I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, oh what, Yeah?
Speaker 2: Did they mean to do that?
Speaker 1: Do they need to kill Boone?
Speaker 2: Did they need to kill Shannon?
Speaker 1: Did they need to kill Libby?
Speaker 2: And I want to see it? Like what?
Speaker 1: Oh I need.
Speaker 2: To I need to be a little less Yeah, interesting, I.
Speaker 1: Guess anybody can die, although not certain people. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: if if if you were, say, I don't know, a
Speaker 1: couple that comes out of nowhere and is suddenly very
Speaker 1: central to the action, I would be on day with
Speaker 1: your agent. I'm not getting into attached to the tattoo.
Speaker 1: They do kind of have cannon fodder written on their backs.
Speaker 2: Well when when Paolo just like, oh look the toilet flushes,
Speaker 2: like okay, guy, you know your comic relief at this point.
Speaker 1: Honestly, though, if you had been on this island for
Speaker 1: however many days, I know, doing it in a hole
Speaker 1: in the ground you saw a toilet, would you not
Speaker 1: immediately going, yes, get me in there. Yes, it was
Speaker 1: comic relief. But didn't we all feel libit like yeah, yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: there's all these screens and all this mysterious stuff and
Speaker 1: toilet toilet that hasn't been cleaned for I know knows
Speaker 1: how long, but still better than a log and a
Speaker 1: piece of moss. So they just were very egregiously centralized
Speaker 1: in this episode. And and you know subtext of we've
Speaker 1: been reading all the forums and the blog posts when
Speaker 1: they're like Nikki says to Polo, you're always talking about
Speaker 1: why you don't get to go along, you know, now
Speaker 1: we get to.
Speaker 3: Go along, and uh, okay, right, Yes, they needed to
Speaker 3: use some of Kate's wardrobe because she's just stuck in
Speaker 3: a cage somewhere.
Speaker 1: So yeah, come on over here, you can wear the
Speaker 1: short shirts now. But yeah, that's that is kind of silly.
Speaker 1: But you know, they got a trip to Hawaii. So meanwhile,
Speaker 1: over on other island, yes, mind games galore. They just
Speaker 1: live for the mind games. There there were there were
Speaker 1: X rays all over the place of Ben's spinal tumor.
Speaker 1: But he's surprised that Juliet told him, right who decorated
Speaker 1: this the room anyway? Because obviously anyway, and then Ben
Speaker 1: is trying to put doubt in Jack's mind about Juliet,
Speaker 1: and juliett is trying to put doubt in Jack's mind
Speaker 1: about Ben. And it's all just such fun. They're just
Speaker 1: having themselves a good time, and don't what did they
Speaker 1: what did they do under a normal day when they
Speaker 1: don't have hostages?
Speaker 2: They move these rocks from point A to point.
Speaker 1: Have the tuckmore parties all been canceled?
Speaker 2: That's right. They had a book club.
Speaker 1: The book club not active because we have mind games
Speaker 1: to play. It's mind games time, and.
Speaker 2: We have captives. We have to earn a ritual funeral
Speaker 2: that takes up some time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, weird ritual funeral.
Speaker 2: We're gonna shift you out to see.
Speaker 1: They're just they're just having so much fun with Jack.
Speaker 1: He's such a square jot, serious dude, and they're just
Speaker 1: they might just laugh and laugh, but who knows what
Speaker 1: exactly is going on. Although if you did have a
Speaker 1: spinal tumor and a spinal surgeon fell out at the sky,
Speaker 1: I can see how you would like do everything Ben
Speaker 1: is done.
Speaker 2: But also like just why does he Why does Ben
Speaker 2: go through this whole thing of like I want you
Speaker 2: to want to do it? Like who cares? Just make
Speaker 2: him do it?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's like he think he won't he won't do it,
Speaker 2: right if he's being forced at gunpoint to do it.
Speaker 1: I mean Ben enjoys mess it with people. Yes, And
Speaker 1: I honestly do not remember this whole plot at all.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what the deal is exactly. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, is Juliet for real? Or did Ben figure
Speaker 1: that the best way to get Jack to do the
Speaker 1: surgery is to make him do a hate surgery. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then he would be too square jot an individual
Speaker 1: to actually kill somebody on the operating So the whole
Speaker 1: there's just so many possibilities whirling around, Yes, and they're
Speaker 1: just going to try all of them at see which one. Yes,
Speaker 1: I imagine that Kate and Sawyer are there for leverage, right,
Speaker 1: although I don't know that Jack is going to do
Speaker 1: anything to save Sawyer. But yeah, he would because he's
Speaker 1: the hero guy. But yeah, just I'm imagining them sitting
Speaker 1: in a room somewhere, maybe after book club, planning how
Speaker 1: to mess with Jack. How about if you do this,
Speaker 1: you go say this, and then you I'll go say that, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, the number of steps involved in this plant.
Speaker 2: It couldn't have just been like, hey, guys, I see
Speaker 2: you crash your plane. Here, let me tell you how
Speaker 2: you can service. Like, no, we're gonna do all this.
Speaker 1: That's true. They have a lot of hours of television
Speaker 1: to Phil Catherine, I cannot be overstated how many hours
Speaker 1: of television they have to fill in and how negatively
Speaker 1: that impacts the plot. But yes, you would think they
Speaker 1: would send an emissary over a cent well, but see,
Speaker 1: how do they even know he's a spinal surgeon. How
Speaker 1: do they have this information? They would have to explain that.
Speaker 1: They can't just stop it and say, excuse me, anyone
Speaker 1: here happened to have particular specialty we have. I know
Speaker 1: you're not gonna believe this. We have a whole hospital
Speaker 1: set up here. If somebody could just come and we'll
Speaker 1: give you some cants. Juliette will bake you so much,
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. Can't be sure if I'll be burnt,
Speaker 1: but we'll use whatever technology we have here to help
Speaker 1: you out. But they enjoy messing well, Ben enjoys messing
Speaker 1: with people, for sure. We don't know about the rest
Speaker 1: of them. But I'm kind of thinking Juliet might enjoy
Speaker 1: messing with people also.
Speaker 2: So so Juliet comes up with this whole you know,
Speaker 2: love actually plan to communicate with Jack via videotape written signs.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but when did she film this? And how
Speaker 2: like she has a cam quarter somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is why I don't think we can take
Speaker 1: it at face value. How exactly is she doing this?
Speaker 1: This seems like a whole group endeavor, but h yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're really bored over there. Instead of just being forthright,
Speaker 1: let's go through all this rigmarole.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like if all they said to Jack
Speaker 2: was like, do this surgery and we'll let you and
Speaker 2: Kate and so I go, he'd be like, yep, scrub me.
Speaker 1: In exactly, or alternatively, do this surgery or will kill them.
Speaker 1: But just like that, they have to play a variety
Speaker 1: of mind games instead of just directly asking for what
Speaker 1: they want. They are super bored over there on other islands.
Speaker 1: It's just another day in the jungle, you know, let's
Speaker 1: have us some fun before we you know, if he
Speaker 1: actually does have a tumor, I don't even remember if
Speaker 1: that was the case. So I think we have to
Speaker 1: allow for the possibility that it's all just this is true,
Speaker 1: It's all just the yank and Jack's chain for no
Speaker 1: reason whatsoever. It's weird that I just completely don't remember it.
Speaker 1: But I remember mister Ecco meeting his demise. I remember
Speaker 1: Nikki and Pallo being ridiculous. I don't remember the whole
Speaker 1: tumor thing, but there was a lot of plot. You know,
Speaker 1: brains can only hold some us right, right, oh my?
Speaker 2: Just like as a parent, you know, be straightforward, because
Speaker 2: if you have to keep track of an incredibly elaborate
Speaker 2: system of eyes or fantasies.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna go like just be yeah, absolutely, that's
Speaker 1: a trap. A lot of parents get in. It's building
Speaker 1: an elaborate structure around there. They try playing my games
Speaker 1: with the kids, in other words, and then you have
Speaker 1: to remember all the things you've done and follow through
Speaker 1: on them. And that's not gonna happen. Come on, just
Speaker 1: just say clean your room or your teddy bear gets it?
Speaker 1: And you know, see how well they do easy, easy, right,
Speaker 1: putting teddy in a submarine and sending it off who
Speaker 1: knows where?
Speaker 2: I mean, I definitely get the like, let's make them
Speaker 2: think it's their idea. I guess that Ben is, you know,
Speaker 2: saying that that's what he was trying to do with Jack.
Speaker 2: I do think that can be effective with children and partner,
Speaker 2: but perhaps not necessary in this situation.
Speaker 1: It's that you just need to watch the amount of
Speaker 1: infrastructure that goes into that. You can do it easily quickly,
Speaker 1: that's great. If it involves several months of laying the groundwork,
Speaker 1: then probably it's not worth the trouble, or it's about
Speaker 1: something other than getting your way it's about just that
Speaker 1: you just like playing people, and it is fun to
Speaker 1: play your kids sometimes, you know, but remember you are
Speaker 1: Ben when you do those things, right, Ben, it's not
Speaker 1: a good guy. Ben is very bored. Yeah, but he's
Speaker 1: not good.
Speaker 2: He came up at the library that I was watching
Speaker 2: this show.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, and one.
Speaker 2: Of my coworkers is like, you know, where are you?
Speaker 2: Like where what episode? And this was a little while ago.
Speaker 2: This was we were toward the end of season tenn
Speaker 2: and and she was like, have you met wait, have
Speaker 2: you met Ben? Ben's my favorite character.
Speaker 1: I was kind of that way to which episode does
Speaker 1: Ben start? When it's been right?
Speaker 2: And now that I know, then I'm like, oh, well, interesting.
Speaker 1: That's your favorite character. You're right, We're gonna have a
Speaker 1: lot of time with them.
Speaker 2: So what you're telling me is he's not going to die.
Speaker 1: That you can when you when you have a character
Speaker 1: that people feel that way about, you're he's not going
Speaker 1: to die on an operating table. So I don't think
Speaker 1: you need to worry about that. But just a really
Speaker 1: great performance by Michael Emerson. Yeah, and just giving that
Speaker 1: guy he could say anything at any time, do anything
Speaker 1: at any time, and you would go, Yep, that's that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but let's see what other parenting tips can we get
Speaker 1: from this?
Speaker 2: Well, when Locke is like, sure anybody can go, I
Speaker 2: think the skeptical out.
Speaker 1: Of like, you know, nobody was invited.
Speaker 2: Nobody was invited. It was very controlled for a very
Speaker 2: long time, and then all of a sudden like free
Speaker 2: for all.
Speaker 1: Yeah. If there's somebody who's always been in charge, an
Speaker 1: alpha person who's always been in charge, and then that
Speaker 1: person is not available and somebody else steps in, it's
Speaker 1: always going to be kind of a mess, and you
Speaker 1: don't want to be that person, right. It's like everybody
Speaker 1: can hate the head of the PTA, but nobody's gonna
Speaker 1: want to step up and take that job.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It's it's like the joy of hating the person who
Speaker 1: does it doesn't necessarily mean that you want to be
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, so be careful. Talk behind her back,
Speaker 1: but don't tick her off so she quits exactly.
Speaker 2: Don't let her get kidnapped by some weirdos. That's your
Speaker 2: separate island.
Speaker 1: And it's like, I mean maybe with mom and dad,
Speaker 1: it's dad mate say things about how Mom does stuff,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't necessarily really want to do it himself,
Speaker 1: so you have to be careful and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: do you really want the other parent to be in
Speaker 1: charge of this? All?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And I think most moms also, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: get that feeling like I don't want to do this,
Speaker 1: but I don't trust anybody else to do this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm doing this, Yeah for sure, But y'all
Speaker 1: can show a little appreciation when Jack comes back. I
Speaker 1: hope they all say, hey, man, we're sorry if we
Speaker 1: weren't appropriately respectful before you go away. And these nobody's
Speaker 1: come in and start doing stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all of a sudden, Paolo's in charge. What who
Speaker 2: are you?
Speaker 1: He's just so blatantly these two guys. Let's see how
Speaker 1: anything else parenting wise. Oh, this was a all of
Speaker 1: these flashbacks. I guess this all of them show how
Speaker 1: bad things that happened to you in childhood always come
Speaker 1: full adulthood, which I think his parents we often hope
Speaker 1: is not the case. You know, we that's the only
Speaker 1: way we can survive is by assuming that's not the case. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this was bad, but you'll forget this. This will just
Speaker 1: be all in the background. This isn't gonna this isn't
Speaker 1: gonna come back to haunt you on an island. A
Speaker 1: smoke monster isn't going to reenact this scene with you.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fine. And I am going to clutch
Speaker 1: onto that as hard as I can, because there's nothing
Speaker 1: you can do about those bass splashbacks unless you're maybe
Speaker 1: does when and can go back in time and fix things.
Speaker 1: But he was quiet this week. Yeah, we didn't really
Speaker 1: get he was off somewhere communing with the future.
Speaker 2: He did not end. He was not interest in revisiting
Speaker 2: the flush toilet and everyone else is so excited.
Speaker 1: About that's right. Maybe he can see that one day
Speaker 1: something bad is going to happen in that room. Could
Speaker 1: be do they have any magazines in there or anything?
Speaker 1: Bones raid Sawyer's stash of reading material and puts on there.
Speaker 1: You go, Oh well, another day on the island, another
Speaker 1: goodbye to a cast member, another round of mind games,
Speaker 1: and that is Lost. Next Tuesday will continue with season three,
Speaker 1: episode six of Lost. I do It's another Kate episode.
Speaker 1: Did you hear she's a future It's quite a lot
Speaker 1: of decisions in her life. No, they're afraid. We haven't
Speaker 1: quite got it any So she's heard that Nikki is
Speaker 1: wearing her clothes and she is tagged oh boy. When
Speaker 1: she gets back there, there's gonna be a girl fight
Speaker 1: if indeed Nikki is still alive. Okay, we will see
Speaker 1: you back here tomorrow to discuss Foster. Thank you for listening.
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