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Speaker 1: What is Fellasiko's I'm damn for Valley coming at you

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With my certified fantabulous co host, mister Grant Hughes. We

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are joined together as we've only ever been like once

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or twice before, all three of us together. Everyone's excited

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by Mort Jensen of the NBA podcast, fame of Yahoo Sports,

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fame of Forbes fame, and of course OnlyFans celebrity impromptu

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live show because what the heck? I don't feel like

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editing a video when we put up a podcast tomorrow, fellows,

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So this is exciting. I'll start with you. Oh, as

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the quick note, we're gonna talk quippers, We're gonna talk

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restricted free agency again, and anything else that comes up.

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If there are any volume issues live and there's anyone watching,

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since I just put this live without scheduling it, let

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us know, we'll try and adjust the volume accordingly. Since

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our levels are always all over the place. Let's begin

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with you, Mort, How the heck are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. I'm actually doing well rough weeks. You know,

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last time we spoke, I was sick as hell. Didn't

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really get over it. Still like the viruses today are

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just bad. Outside of that, I'm doing pretty damn well.

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I'm looking forward to the new seast. I'm enjoying euro

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Basket like. There are lots of a lot of hoops

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going here in the late summer early fall. Can't complain.

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I hope you guys are doing well.

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Speaker 1: Grant, how are you?

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Speaker 3: That's none of your business?

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Speaker 1: Have I done that before?

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Speaker 3: I always kind of like tempted to just meet your

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sincere concern for me with just being a dick about it.

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I'm doing great, Happy to be back talking to you guys.

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I will say, it does feel like we have come

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together and formed a powerful triumvirate to tackle the topic

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of the day or the topic of the like what

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is it a week now, give or take? This is like,

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I'm fascinated by this. I think it's so fun and

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so interesting just because mostly because we don't know enough

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to actually draw real conclusions, but we get to speculate,

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and that's a good time.

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Speaker 1: I think the trio we've put together to talk about

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this is some might say aspirational. There's there's your dad.

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Joke of the day fells from someone who has no children.

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So I'll go through the cliff notes before we'll throw

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it to Grant. Grant will be out of here at

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some point, everybody who was watching or listening since he

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has a heart out. But August twenty twenty one, I

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just want to get the timeline here.

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Speaker 4: KWHI.

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Speaker 1: Leonard extended with the Clippers in September. In twenty twenty one,

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the Inuit Don't breaks ground. In November of twenty twenty one,

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k L two Aspire LLC is registered and in December

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twenty twenty one, Steve Bomber joined oak Tree Capital Management

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in investing three hundred and fifty million dollars total into Aspiration,

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which was then valued at two point three billion dollars.

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Now The Poplotry finds out podcast on Earth that Kui

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was able to receive twenty eight million dollars in four

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installments I think the last of which was not paid

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according to their bankruptcy filings, but seven million dollars a pop.

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It was way more than any other celebrity endorsers were receiving.

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It was essentially a no show act. As they can tell,

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he was never asked to do anything, promote anything. There's

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a tweet out there in which he was tagged. It

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was wishing Leonard a happy birthday or something, and Aspiration

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was tagged or whatever. April twenty twenty two is when

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the deal between him and Aspiration was signed, so what

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we're dealing with. He also had a twenty million dollars

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in stock options, which, since the company has now defunct,

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I assume turned into nothing. There's a lot of other

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stuff we'll get to, such as Mark Cuban's response, But Grant,

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just you're kind of we're now a week in change

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removed from all this. What are your thoughts on everything here?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's hard to know kind of where to

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tackle this from, what angle to approach from. I think

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my thoughts are that the two things that strike me

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as most interesting, and we can if this details things,

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or if you want to stop me or whatever, we

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can we can talk about this more granularly. But the

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fact that the fifty million dollars from Balmer's personal LLC

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is so close to what is essentially forty eight million

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that Kawhi is getting from this company to do nothing

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that strikes me as interesting, definitely suspicious. Maybe the idea

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that uh Leonard as a as an endorser of a

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product is worth this much is beyond insane to me

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because like he was one of the best players in

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the league for a good stretch and can't sell shoes,

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doesn't do any media, Like just is not someone that

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you would view as a valuable addition to your pr machine,

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those are the just the dollars, and like what they

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were purportedly for strikes me as odd. The other thing,

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in or take this a different direction. It's so I

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just saw Adam Silver talking in a press conference and

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he was essentially discussing this whole thing as if it

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were a legal matter, except that this isn't. And so

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there is no resumption of innocence until guilt is proven,

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as it would be in a criminal case. There's no

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beyond a reasonable doubt standard of proof, which would be

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the criminal standard. There's no preponderance of the evidence, which

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in the American system is the civil standard of proof

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if you're trying to prove something civilly. This is almost

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backwards based on the CBA, which is to say that

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you're sort of guilty in the Clippers case until you

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prove innocence. Because the Commissioner has such broad discretion to

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view circumstantial evidence like all this stuff I just brought

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up and the things we'll talk more about and just

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decide this looks fishy. The burden of proof is on you,

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Clippers and Steve Baumber to prove that there's a rational

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explanation for all of this, and I don't see the

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Clippers having the ability to do that to meet that standard.

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Speaker 1: So I'll leave it there.

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Speaker 3: Those are my disjointed sort of overarching thoughts, just really interesting.

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I don't know what what are you grabbing onto here

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as sort of the most interesting aspect of this, or

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or if you have a more global take on it,

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where where's your head at?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 2: The first thing I did when I saw like the

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volume of the money involved, like the twenty eight and

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potentially forty eight million, right, was google how much Kauwhi

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was learning from his New Balance contract to just to

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kind of compare it. And the latest data we have

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was he signed like a four year extension with the

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New Balance in twenty eighteen, worth twenty two million, so

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like that, and that's over four years. To me, that's

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almost a smoking gun in enough itself, because it leans

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into your point, grand that he's not necessarily viewed as

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this you know, magnificent pr product, Like no one is

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standing in line to hand him hundreds and millions of

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dollars to be the front facing figure of whatever the

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hell some type of you know company like this is

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so even new balance, Like that's always like shoe companies

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are always like the secondary or for some players, like

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the primary source of income. So if he can only

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squeeze out twenty two million over four years, by the way,

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from them, then twenty eight million for a no show

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deal or a no play deal, whatever you call.

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Speaker 4: It, that just it just seems fishy.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit here and say anything that

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gets us into llegal trouble, but oh my god, does

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this just look so bad?

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna ask, Like, I mean, I agree, it

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looks very bad. And maybe the fair thing to do

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would be to try to construct the case that's that

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is all on the up and up. So like, what

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is the exculpatory case for the clippers, Like what set

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of circumstances could we put out there that seems semi

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realistic that sort of explains all of this, Like, because

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I struggle with that, I think you can get somewhere

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by saying that this is a company that has had

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what appears to have been rampant fraud, and maybe there's

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some book cooking happening with Will somehow. I don't know

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how it benefits a company to give someone forty eight

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million or twenty eight million and then twenty million in stock,

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the a rational argument would be that everything is above

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board here or that at the very least the Clippers

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are not. You know, this doesn't reflect poorly on them somehow,

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because I struggle with that part of it.

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Speaker 1: Don't the Clippers seem like they're already trying to make

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it where Steve Bomber has that basically home court interview

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with Ramona Shelburn and I didn't. I didn't understand that

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or the optics of that from the perspective of if

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you were so confident in your stance on this, why

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not talk to Pablo tore Pablo Torre finds out in

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the first place, rather than immediately go on ESPN when

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you know the optics are gonna be viewed that they're

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throwing you softball questions. They've also since put out Perromona Shelburn,

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that they refused a more lucrative endorsement deal from or

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sponsorship deal from Aspiration. Then they got with the Inuit

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Dome name wasn't like five hundred and fifty million or

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something like that, and they decided to go with the

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more established company, And they're essentially using that as cover,

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which I think, on the surface probably looks okay and

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isn't aren't they I don't want to use the word guilty,

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but aren't there's like negligence at play here because you're

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gonna say, all we did was introduce Kawhi Leonard and

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then got out of the way, and we didn't know

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anything about this, and so like a couple of things

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just quickly are not sitting right with me, is that

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this team was already docked for trying to get DeAndre

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Jordan a two hundred thousand dollars sponsorship way back when,

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like in a way that they weren't allowed to. You

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have Mark Cuban going on the PA Pablo Tory finds

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out podcasts. I sorry I can't talk today. As usual,

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nothing he said, really person I thought I applaued Pablo

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for pushing back against him. I thought they had a

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good dialogue, but Mark Cuban sort of say, you're not

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giving the scammers enough credit and this isn't enough money

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the fifty million initially for Steve Bomber to care about.

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everything that's going on with your own team. That's not okay.

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It was a different thing. But like the sexual assault

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allegations and harassment allegations going throughout Dallas while he was there,

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like during his tenure, and he says he knew nothing

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about that, that doesn't really make it okay. And so

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directly or indirectly, is kind of boiling down to will

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for ignorance. And the final thing I'll say is there

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may not be a smoking gun, but when it deals

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in when it involves the player whose representation slash uncle

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in Uncle, the infamous Uncle Dennis, his requests around the

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league have been ludicrous and been known for something we've

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heard about some of them with the rat and with

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the Lakers. But isn't it like more, isn't there something

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to the effect that, like, we're investigating salary cap circumvention

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among the parties. And I'll use that as Kawhi, Uncle Dennis,

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that whole camp who have been again I don't want

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to use the word guilty, but most notorious for trying

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think when if the League has started an investigation, right,

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they hired the same law firm that they used for

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ironically also the Clippers with the Donald Donald Sterling case

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and one more case that I'm completely forgetting the case.

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Speaker 4: As well.

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Speaker 2: So I think those concerns are completely valid. I think

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the League is going to basically line out a bunch

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of things to that law firm and say, look, there

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to the bottom of here. The Uncle Dennis factor of

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it all that has to play a factor in some

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type of way. It just has to, because everything is connected,

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or at least that's the connection they have to be

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looking for. At the very least, it's it's all just

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an ugly case of the Clippers right now, trying to say, oh,

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I didn't know, did you know?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: I didn't know. Oh did you know? No, I didn't know.

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haven't the faintest idea just because of like plausible deniability. Honestly,

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we'll see how this all shakes out, But I, like

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Grant said, it is so difficult to sit here with

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up with even a remotely reasonable explanation for how that money,

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how that whole situation came about. The justification of the

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amount itself, first and foremost, that's like ridiculous. The internal

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structures Steve Balmer having invested in the oak Tree Capital

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Management part and that pump money into like everything just

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weeks right now to the point where it's so difficult

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to like see how those wires can get like untettered

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and to just like put in line, I don't see

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how that's going to be made reality.

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Speaker 1: Grant, what are you one of them? I'm not sure

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if you listen to the Mark Cuban and pabulatory discussion.

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But what do you make of sort of Mark Cuban

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saying if Steve Bomber or the Clippers themselves knew about

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this or were culpable in this, why let that company fail?

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Wouldn't you pump more money into it to kind of

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hide your salary caps or convention? Did you? Are you

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persuaded by that part of the argument at.

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Speaker 3: All, less so than I was by his questions about

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you know, the Aspiration employees that Pabulatoria has on record

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saying this was for caps circunvention like that that was

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compelling to me because you do need to find out

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and this is what the investigation is for. How are

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those people possess of the knowledge to say that? Like

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where did they get that term?

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Speaker 1: Even?

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Speaker 3: Like what does Aspiration know about the NBA salary cap?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: Like they're just paying some like so that kind of

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thing that's interesting to me. But no, not not really

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just because like if you're Steve Baumer, yeah, maybe you

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make a mistake and invest in something, why are you

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going to throw for one, throwing more money at it

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kind of makes you look more guilty. Like in addition

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to doing this, this shady deal. You're gonna throw more

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good money after bad to like to cover it up,

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like you know, the whole of the cover ups worse

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than the crime aspect of it. And maybe you're just

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smart enough to realize that, oh, this is not a

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real company, Like why am I? I think we should

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just dust our hands off and walk. I think both

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of you kind of touched on this, do you to me?

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the the sort of demonstrated shadiness of the Uncle Dennis

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of it all might be the way that the Clippers

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can absolve themselves here because they're like, look, this guy's

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got a history of asking for the moon, right, like

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he just he it's just this the guy that is

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running Kawhi Leonard's businesses and his quote unquote agent because

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he doesn't really have a real agent. He's done this

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sort of thing or something adjacent to this, or tried

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to do this several times over the years. Like we

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can't police that guy, Like that's not on us. Now.

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That doesn't change the fact that Balmer is investing in

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this company or had invested in all that stuff. But

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you can at least point to you know, if you're

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doing like a suspect lineup and Balmer is one of

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them and Uncle Dennis is the other end, you know

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a few things about both of those guys, You're gonna

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be a little bit more persuaded that maybe Uncle Dennis

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and the Kawhi side of it is where the like

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malfeasance actually happened. But then that gets back to the

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other thing of I do think there's a way that

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Balmer personally could sort of come It does have some deniability,

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like it is not realistic for him or like, as

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Cuban says, for any owner to know everything that's happening

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with your organization. I don't feel like that absolves the

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Clippers of potential punishment, right like, because somewhere somebody in

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the organization probably if if the allegations are true, was

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on board with this, and maybe that wasn't Balmber, maybe

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that wasn't even a very high level person. But it's

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still the Clippers. And if you're the commissioner, if you're

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Adam Silver, I guess maybe it's not as bad. If

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it's a lower level person that that is sort of

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how you tie the Clippers to this, But it doesn't

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get you out of jail. I don't think right, like,

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shouldn't it still like you as the owner, you are,

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if not aware of everything, you sort of are responsible

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and the team is you know what I mean? Like,

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I don't I feel like Bomber can look okay if

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things go a certain way here, But I don't feel

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like the Clippers are going to get off off the

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hook entirely? Does that do? What do you guys think

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about that?

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Speaker 2: I just think I need to ask Deve Balmber how

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much he'll be's willing to pay for a full guy.

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Speaker 4: Basically, I'll take it. Can I get Can I get you?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 4: Is?

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Speaker 1: I just I would agree with you grant that I

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think something is going to come from this. And as

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you mentioned at the top of this entire podcast, like

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the CBA kind of lays it out and Zach Low

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did a good job of breaking it down that you

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don't need everyone's like the smoking gun isn't out there,

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but like the yeah, the burner, you just don't need

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it in this situation. I just don't know. Like Adam

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Silver in his comments too, which he had today at

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the Board of Governor's meeting, was very we believe in

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due process playing out, and this seems like a situation

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where that they will not drag this on, but this

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will take a while. They will let it fall out

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of the news cycle and maybe it comes back in

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if the clippers are so good and it's like, oh,

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they shouldn't be allowed to be doing this right now,

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and then the punishment isn't going to fit what I

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think a lot of people believe is happening here. But

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I also don't while the burden of proof might be

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lower more or I'll throw out the ball of you

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like what is smoking gun in this instance, look like

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there's not gonna be people liking this. To the Joe

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Smith thing, there was a signed agreement like between him

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and ownership. It doesn't seem like that is going to

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come up here. And so short of what if we

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don't believe the Aspiration employees, we're not gonna believe the

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Joe Samson guy, whoever he was, like that's going to

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be and uh like if he came out, it's like, yeah,

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we did this, Like as no one's gonna believe him

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because of the way that that everything that he did

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and what happened to that company. Short of Kawhi or

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Uncle Dennis or Steve Bomber just admitting to it, Like

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what would what does a smoking gun, whether it's a

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document or admission look like in this case.

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Speaker 3: I I don't know that there is likely to be

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something like that one because like you just who's that dumb?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: Like I just say, you can't these are these need

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to be phone calls, These can't be emails, These can't

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be meetings with the minutes taken.

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Speaker 1: Like I like one thing when Mark Cuban said that

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if Steve Bomber did this, then he's like super dumb.

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Why would he ever do that? And I was like,

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my first months is it's like almost as dumb as

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thinking that you could sell your control and retain control.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I think I don't think

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there's something like that. I as we're kind of hashing

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it out, I do think some of the language in

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the contract that Leonard or the agreement that Leonard had

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with Aspiration, specifically the stuff about if any of this

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is against your beliefs, basically granting him the right to

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say no to literally anything for any reason, which is

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just like to me, like you know, contracts, contract law

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requires that, like there's offer acceptance. Something has to be

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given as consideration or the otherwise there's no real bargain.

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And in this instance, the way that's worded is it

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feels almost like an unenforceable contract because Leonard has to

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do nothing, and in fact can can rely on the

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document he's signing for this money to as the basis

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of him declining to do anything. And so that that's

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so just beyond the pale to me in terms of

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like what a what a regular contract in any walk

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of life would look like that like you you could

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points to that, if there isn't a real smoking gun,

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you could point to that as just so absurd that

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like that might be your starting point. Like if you're

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presenting this case to a jury, any nor any layperson

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is gonna be like, that's not even like what that's

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not a contract. He's not obligated to fulfill anything. So

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so that's weird enough on its own to maybe especially

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if you're the commissioner and you're like, you don't need

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you don't need the smoking gun, you don't need actual proof,

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circumstantial evidence just kind of mushed together and like you know,

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mixed in with some like logic could get you there.

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And that that might be all it takes.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if either you listen to Michael McCann

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also going on the Zachlo post and talking about how

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other teams the reactions. It seems like we've heard from

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other insiders analysts that teams are just kind of in

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dismay and that they're angered by this. But Michael McCann

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kind of warned them, you don't necessarily want something major

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to come of this, because then it's going to change

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how you interact with your own stars or your perspective

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signings to where will every sponsorship deal that technically is

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supposed to fall outside the purview of the league now

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be under review. And my initial reaction to that is

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when you're dealing with teams that are going to have

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these like so many of these teams are now basically

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real estate companies or like tech companies, and if you're

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going to have like you know, look at the Warriors

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with Chase Center, the Clippers now with the Inuit Dome,

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you have these multi use developments where it creates gives

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them a leg up in their revenue stream. If I'm

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another team or most other teams, I probably want something

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to come from this because if the Clippers, I don't

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want to say get away because we don't necessarily know

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what happened here for sure, but if nothing does come

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from this, it's kind of a license for someone to

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push the bill even further, and that's going to inherently

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give these other teams that have access to not just

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because of their market, but again, like the real estate stuff,

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it's going to give them a leg up in this

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instances when we're journeying. This wasn't just you know, whether

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it's aspirations the company was actually willing to give Kawhi

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Leonard this more like if it was their idea or

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something like Steve Bomber might be an anomaly because of

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how deep a pockets he have. But we're going to

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get to more nominalies to where there are just teams

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with more off court revenue at their disposal that they

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can either give to sponsors to get back to players

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or just something along those lines.

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Speaker 2: What about the NBA's role here, By the way, this

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to me feels like another thing you kind of said

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it before, Dan, in terms of like they might bury

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it if the Clippers get off to.

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Speaker 4: A good start and whatnot.

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Speaker 2: If the league is like trying to put a lid

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on this because this doesn't reflect well on the league

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at large. Right, if the Clippers did do this, it's

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going to raise so many questions. It's it's it's basically

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the entire Oh, we believe the NBA is fixed. It's

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the draft lottery all over again, just in terms of

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like the deck is stacked and like some teams just

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don't have a shot.

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Speaker 4: Regardless.

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Speaker 2: The NPA, I presume, would love it if those concerns

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and that talking point just went away. Could we be

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looking at a situation where, even if they do find evidence,

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even if they do find everything that we talked about

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over the past twenty minutes, that they just basically decide

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to just short change it from start to finish.

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Speaker 3: Well, what would the fallout be in that instance? I suppose? So,

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I guess related to that, one of my first thoughts was, well,

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the commissioner works for the owners. Maybe there are several

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other teams that are engaging in similar practices. How hard

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are they really going to push for a punishment here

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or an investigation here because they don't want their books

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opened up. It sounds like most of the reportings to

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just like they're very much pushing for a punishment and

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an investigation because it seems like they're not doing this

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kind of thing. So that's one side of it.

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 3: It's hard for me, I think again, because this isn't

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like a true there's no true legal standard here. This

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isn't like adjudicated by a judge, This isn't a court

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of law. I do think for that reason, the public

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outcry and just like how big of a the difficulty

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of tamping down this story I think speaks to the

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increased likelihood that there will be a punishment because in

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some sense, what you're talking about more like concerns of

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the public along the lines of you know this, it's

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not the same as like fixing games or anything like that,

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00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:37,680
but the integrity of the competitive spirit is being compromised

480
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,440
to some extent here. Again, if this is what's happening

481
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,920
with the Clippers and so like, if the public I

482
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,640
think is pissed off enough about that to like not

483
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,319
let this go away, don't you think, Dan, Maybe that

484
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,000
like that increases the likelihood that there's a punishment, almost

485
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,079
regardless of how strong the evidence is, just because the

486
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,960
NBA cares so much about how it is perceived like,

487
00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:03,160
look what they do with gambling, like they they care

488
00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:06,319
about that, and this isn't that, but it's sort of

489
00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:07,240
adjacent to it.

490
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: But what looks worse if they were to do like

491
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,680
because what if it just feels like they're issuing a

492
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,119
punishment for the sake of winning that press conference to

493
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,799
where the Clippers are docked a second round pick or

494
00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:22,359
two second round picks. Wouldn't that in some ways? Couldn't

495
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,480
that be worse than them taking a strong stance one

496
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,119
way or the other where it's Adam Silver comes out.

497
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,680
We know that people are annoyed by this and that

498
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,519
this is how the optics look. But according to letter

499
00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:35,160
of the law, whatever it is, based off what we found, Like, no,

500
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:37,839
Steve Bomber isn't guilty of anything here. The Clippers themselves

501
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,759
aren't guilty of anything here. I would have i personally

502
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:42,359
more and I don't know if are you the same?

503
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:42,759
Am I wrong?

504
00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 2: Hair?

505
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,839
Speaker 1: But I would have more respect for them taking a

506
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,680
firm stance rather than this, you know, dock a second

507
00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:50,079
round pick bullshit that we've seen because it then it

508
00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:52,240
becomes this is salary caps or convention. But we all

509
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,079
think tamperings a joke now, right, because the NBA is

510
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,799
just it can do all these things. It's at Adam

511
00:25:57,839 --> 00:26:00,720
Silver's discretion and it chooses not to and so it

512
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,920
just it just happens. Now they like they kind of

513
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,519
submitted to tampering when they moved away. That like free

514
00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:08,680
agency was reported now too.

515
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:09,599
Speaker 4: Yeah.

516
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,279
Speaker 2: No, I look, Seth park Now went on Blue Sky

517
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,480
a couple months ago during free agency and he was

518
00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:19,440
kind of laughing at people who were complaining about, you know,

519
00:26:19,559 --> 00:26:24,559
the obviousness of tampering with contracts, and he was basically saying, guys,

520
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,079
it is so much worse, like you have no idea.

521
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,680
So yeah, that you know, growing skepticism that was never

522
00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:36,599
nipped in the butt. Quite the opposite, Like the league

523
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,880
really didn't do anything about it, and no one took

524
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,119
it seriously because if they can forget a max contract

525
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,480
player in and it costs you a second rounder or

526
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,200
even two second rounders, look, that's a pretty good fucking

527
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,160
deal right at the end of the day for the team.

528
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:50,559
So so no, I absolutely agree with you. I I

529
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,880
too would appreciate the hammer getting thrown down big time.

530
00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:58,119
I just wonder if that is going to be a

531
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,240
thing like if the league has the balls to it

532
00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:03,359
first and foremost, or if they fear that this would

533
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,119
be a problem for them, you know, from an optics perspective,

534
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,279
because I have no idea how the league views itself,

535
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,720
they might believe because of all the negative media that

536
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,559
they've gotten over the past many years for virtually nothing,

537
00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:16,000
as well, like ESPN will always find some shit to

538
00:27:16,039 --> 00:27:19,279
talk about, you know, the inside the NBA crew would

539
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:22,559
always find something to bitch about. Like I think the

540
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,279
league is also tired of all that, you know, negative

541
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,680
media fluctuation that's been so they might be even more

542
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,839
panic now and go, oh, you know what, we can't

543
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,279
We just can't have another thing. And like I again,

544
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,759
I'm with you, but I don't know how the league

545
00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:37,319
review is.

546
00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I agree to you. Like I want

547
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,680
if there is an investigation that uncovers whatever it uncovers,

548
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,799
I want the sort of the right result, right like you,

549
00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:51,799
you should punish the conduct according to what the conduct

550
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:54,920
dictates as far as punishment goes, Like, yes, we want that.

551
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,799
I just think I just can't get over the idea

552
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:04,119
that this isn't like a true judicial system. This is

553
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,640
essentially several business owners that work together collectively to grow

554
00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:11,240
the lard the greater business that is the NBA. The

555
00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:15,240
owners are very much in control of what Adam Silver does.

556
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,240
He works for them, and so the the what they

557
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:22,519
want to happen, I think has a pretty high likelihood

558
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:26,720
of happening, and the investigation will strongly inform what they want.

559
00:28:27,079 --> 00:28:29,359
I'm not saying they're going to say barry the Clippers

560
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,880
regardless of what's found. But I do think this isn't

561
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,200
like a perfect closed system that just cares about justice.

562
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,960
There are business interests involved, and there are optics involved,

563
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,599
There's all this other stuff right like that. So that's

564
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:43,480
a highly cynical way to look at it, but I

565
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,880
just think that's that's reality.

566
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: I do want. Can I ask you question, though, Grant? Well,

567
00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:51,759
first of all, we all view I think the NBA

568
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,640
is the arbiter of morality, and if you disagree, you're

569
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:55,160
out of your mind.

570
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,559
Speaker 3: But can we get the dress code back? While we're at.

571
00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:02,799
Speaker 1: I'd like them to police what music the irena music?

572
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 3: There's too much dancing involved.

573
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: Can we what, Grant? What should the other owners want

574
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,119
to happen? Then, when you're looking at there was the

575
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,319
Michael mccannon from Sportico going on the low post and

576
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:17,240
saying they need to be careful about this, versus what

577
00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:20,079
it seems like being reported that, oh no, the Board

578
00:29:20,079 --> 00:29:22,559
of Governors are actually really angry about this, So put

579
00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:25,720
yourself in just like the average NBA franchise issues, or

580
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,680
maybe just try to look at it from the macro perspective.

581
00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:32,519
What should the what should Steve Bombers peers want to

582
00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:33,119
come up this?

583
00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:38,519
Speaker 3: I think they should again, I think they should want

584
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,680
the investigation to give them something or nothing, and then

585
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,319
if there is cap circumvention, I think they should want

586
00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:49,519
the just the maximum penalty because this is one of

587
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:52,200
the richest guys on planet Earth and like for him

588
00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:55,160
to be the one potentially and for his for Steve

589
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,119
Bomber's team to be the one that is abusing this

590
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,400
set of rules feels a great Just doubly agree. If

591
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,240
I if I'm a small market owner, I want, like,

592
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:07,079
what what else can you give me? Punishment wise? Because

593
00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:09,680
this is like something I will never be able to do.

594
00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:14,559
So I understand like the idea of like the be

595
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,680
careful what you wish for take, but I think the

596
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,440
only thing you really need to be careful of is

597
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,720
if like if this turns out to have been caps

598
00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:25,759
or convention and there's then there's a punishment, and then

599
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:28,119
there are policy changes to the effect of dan what

600
00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:30,680
you were talking about. Like, so, now as a team,

601
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:36,319
I gotta like be scrutinizing every endorsement deal that my

602
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,640
players sign because maybe I'm tied to that company somehow.

603
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,039
Like that opens up a whole series of complications that

604
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:47,039
teams probably don't want to have to deal with, and

605
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:50,799
players certainly don't want more oversight over like what kinds

606
00:30:50,839 --> 00:30:53,319
of money they can make and from whom right. They

607
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:55,839
just want to be able to conduct themselves like the

608
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,799
sort of individual businesses.

609
00:30:57,359 --> 00:30:57,839
Speaker 2: That they are.

610
00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:01,839
Speaker 3: So what you should want is again this isn't like

611
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,039
a justice system, but as another owner, you should want justice.

612
00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:08,039
You should want punishment if it's warranted, But then maybe

613
00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:11,599
there will be downstream effects that are undesirable. I think

614
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,359
you would accept those though if you do get a

615
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:17,920
punishment here that that is appropriate, right, Like you just

616
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,599
have to be prepared for whatever the other fallout is.

617
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:22,440
You got to get this part of it right though

618
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,720
from the other owner's perspective, and what.

619
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: Is an appropriates punishment. Here, let's assume for a second

620
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,200
they do find a so called smoking gun, everything is like.

621
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: Well, sorry, shouldn't it be more so based off what

622
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:40,119
we know right now? What should the punishment be just

623
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,640
because we don't know if because if they don't find anything, more,

624
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,039
damn it. Because I mean the other thing, by the

625
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:46,559
way of this too is I don't know that I

626
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,440
like the timing. I guess it aligns properly with his extension,

627
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:52,519
but I think that people are assigning I guess this

628
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,000
is like pro Clippers for a moment, Mark, don't you

629
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,160
feel like they're a signing too much value to QUI

630
00:31:58,279 --> 00:32:01,279
signing this team friendly max extent because he had a

631
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:04,359
torn ACL at the time. Him signing a shorter deal

632
00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:07,160
and getting back out onto the open market didn't necessarily

633
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,240
serve his best interests either. And so I don't know

634
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,400
that I've necessarily understood because it's just been repeated and

635
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,480
then kind of taken its fact in a lot of places,

636
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,440
And so I don't understand that as well, which is

637
00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:19,319
for all to say, like, I think some of the

638
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,200
case presented could feasibly get weaker, So I'd be more

639
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,440
curious as to you know, more like, given everything you

640
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:27,039
know right now and how you're looking at this, like,

641
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:30,079
what is the appropriate punishment or do you think there's

642
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,720
enough here too? I guess according to the CBA, there

643
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:37,440
is enough to levy a punishment, but like from your perspective,

644
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,960
like what would be a fitting punishment based off everything

645
00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:40,960
we know right now?

646
00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:41,279
Speaker 4: Right?

647
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,759
Speaker 2: So, I actually hadn't noticed that people were trying to

648
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,160
like couple this together with his extension and trying to

649
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,599
say that he took a below market deal. I have

650
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,039
not been super online as of late. When it comes

651
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:54,720
to like what people say, what.

652
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: Was set in I think in the initial unless I'm

653
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,519
I know you guys listen to it, I think it

654
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:00,400
was said in like the initial podcast as to where

655
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,279
it's Kawhi signed a team friendly deal with the the

656
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:06,319
guys being and if I'm miss speaking, someone could call

657
00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:08,960
me on the comments, but the justification being, oh, he

658
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,440
could have signed a shorter deal and then re entered

659
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,799
free agency sooner, and it's I know it was different

660
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,160
at that time, like we were closer to prime Kawhi

661
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,519
Leonard than we are now. But I don't think that

662
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:22,880
that necessarily was in his best interest given his myriad

663
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:23,559
health issues.

664
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: But does it even matter. Honestly, does that really matter

665
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:29,960
in terms of what he signed for, like his NBA

666
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:34,200
contract I feel is so detached from this thing. Like

667
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:36,960
I understand that the idea is, oh, compensate him further,

668
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,920
but you know, whatever he earns from the NBA side,

669
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,880
that like, that's that's one thing. The entire point here

670
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,440
is looking at what he's getting paid allegedly under the table, right,

671
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,799
So so yeah, I'm just I don't I don't want

672
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:55,000
to connect those two personally. But in terms of like

673
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:59,279
what we know right now, obviously you need to go

674
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:01,640
through the investigation. But if everything comes up and like

675
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,000
if we find out we learned Steve Balmer had knowledge

676
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,840
of this was in any way involved here, I mean

677
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,519
we have to be looking at the voidance of the

678
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:12,840
entire contract right.

679
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: To the clippers of favor.

680
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 3: Isn't that a fun element of all this? They'd be like, oh, nuts,

681
00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:22,440
you mean we don't have to be.

682
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,639
Speaker 2: No, But okay then, Like also the forfeiture of draft

683
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:32,840
picks thorough fine, I presume, But like, what is enough

684
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,599
of a signal as well to send to.

685
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 4: Other teams that you don't fucking do this?

686
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,119
Speaker 3: Like what is it, Dan, Do you think they have

687
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,800
enough right now for there to be a punishment if

688
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:44,760
we learn nothing else?

689
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: I mean I do, but I might just be too narrow.

690
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:52,760
I just don't think you could come with what David

691
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,719
Stern did with Joe Smith and say five first round

692
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,079
picks based on what we know right now, and I

693
00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:58,480
think only three they ended up being doctor afterwards. But

694
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,000
you can't sit here and the something untoward happened here

695
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,000
because I like, maybe the Clippers didn't fully know about it,

696
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:08,719
but it just feels like there's kind of too much

697
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,800
smoke for there not to be some sort of a fire.

698
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,599
I just don't without having that confirmation that either Steve

699
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:18,880
Bomber knew about it or like the Clippers actively knew

700
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,440
about it. I don't know how you go the you know,

701
00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:23,960
lay down the iron fist type deal, but I felt

702
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,039
like we just need to look at and but the

703
00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:28,400
thing that, by the way, more the reason I was

704
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,960
trying it back to the contract is because this is

705
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,679
such weird timing. It's not when he signed his free

706
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:34,960
agency deal that they're doing this. They're doing like were

707
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,920
they worried about losing him? Like if you were the

708
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,639
Clippers what did you really stand to benefit from setting

709
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,960
this up now like that, like or again on this

710
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:46,840
time if it was twenty nineteen, that would make way

711
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,480
more sense to me because it's, oh, he's a free

712
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,440
agent you're trying to get did you promise him something

713
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,000
three or four years into the future about this company

714
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:55,239
you didn't know was going to exist at the time.

715
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 3: I was gonna say the reason the contracts, I agree

716
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:01,800
with you, mort and I think Dan, you're saying the

717
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,360
same thing, like there's verbiage in the CBA that So,

718
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,559
just as a counter example, if if Kauwhi had signed

719
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:11,760
for ten million dollars a year and then there were

720
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,960
there was this same set of facts out there, that's

721
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,239
that's worse, Like that's that's what would would because I

722
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,559
think that there's the words are something like substantially below

723
00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:25,800
or above market or something like that, and you could

724
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,119
argue that I don't think you could argue the deals

725
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:31,000
Kawhi has signed with the Clippers have been substantially blow market,

726
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,000
this endorsement thing with aspiration substantially above market. If he

727
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:39,920
also had a substantially blow market NBA contract, this unquestionably

728
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,840
looks but maybe that would have been the smoking gun, right,

729
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,199
because that's just like that's absurd, and that's where so

730
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,880
to contrast it, Jalen Brunson's name keeps getting thrown out

731
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,320
or referenced or mentioned. Like that type of situation where

732
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,079
a player takes markedly less than he could have otherwise

733
00:36:56,159 --> 00:36:59,119
gotten and then has this other source of income that's

734
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:03,519
tied to the team, somewhat tangentially, somewhat directly. That's really

735
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,599
that's a different set of circumstances the game. I feel

736
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:11,840
bad because he just keeps catching strays and there's nothing

737
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,719
out there to indicate anything untoward happened. Uh, but you

738
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,719
know what I mean, Like that would be just just

739
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,119
to push back on the people talking about Kawhi's contract

740
00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:23,360
as like, oh, he took a sweetheart deal or no,

741
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,960
I don't, I don't think that. Yeah, that's not persuasive

742
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:26,159
to me.

743
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: The I mean, and I with Jalen Brunton there, I mean,

744
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,599
there was clearly the connections to the franchise. If we

745
00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:35,119
find something's happening compensating him off the court, It was

746
00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:38,800
easy to envision easier to envision him signing that sweetheart

747
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,320
deal because of like kind of how he entered the

748
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,480
league and how small guard like, he's never been considered

749
00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:45,639
the best player in the NBA. It is yea and

750
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,159
who I was. But granted, since you asked the question,

751
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:51,559
do you think there's enough here for the NBA to

752
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,559
implement some type of punishment?

753
00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:58,559
Speaker 3: I think that by based on the way that the

754
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:03,039
CBA is worded, I would argue that Adam Silver does

755
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:08,639
have enough. Again, it's his discretion really to to levy

756
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:12,360
a punishment. I would be shocked if it was a

757
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,000
Joe Smith level thing, because that was basically everything that

758
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,960
was allowed under the rule as far as punishments go.

759
00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:22,840
That's me saying I think there's enough here for Adam

760
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,960
Silver to punish if he wants to. Is not the

761
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,000
same thing as saying I think there will be a

762
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:32,440
punishment if we learn nothing else. I think I think

763
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,000
they're gonna have to find something else in this investigation,

764
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,800
and or there will have to be like an increasingly

765
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,760
loud public outcry, whether that's from fans or other owners

766
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,440
or whatever, for there to be punishment based on what

767
00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:49,760
we know right now. I don't know that that's like

768
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,360
the right result. That's just kind of what my gut says.

769
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,239
Because like as it is, like, yeah, there's no direct evidence,

770
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,280
there's coincidences, there's some shady stuff with a business and

771
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:03,199
uncle Dennis. That's like, yeah, of course, weird things happen.

772
00:39:03,639 --> 00:39:07,239
I think you could, speaking of the term, I think

773
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,760
the NBA and Adam Silver could have plausible deniability and

774
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,320
say like, yeah, not quite enough. You know we needed

775
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,880
with the investigation, didn't cover uncover more. Uh, we're not

776
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,639
persuaded and we're gonna walk away. Yeah, so long, long

777
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:26,199
answer short. I think there's enough that if the Commissioner

778
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,719
wanted to, he could punish as of today, right now,

779
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,760
unless more comes out, I don't know if I don't

780
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,400
think I'm confident he would.

781
00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:35,679
Speaker 1: I don't think they will. If this is if everything

782
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,880
we know right now is all we end up knowing,

783
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,039
I don't think anything's gonna come of it. I would

784
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:42,199
actually be pretty surprised if it did.

785
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 3: Because think of the precedent you'd be setting right you

786
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,679
like then talk about the other owners being concerned, Like

787
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,719
then if this is all, if this is what it

788
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,920
takes to to get you doctor drapped, first round draft

789
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,920
picks and find and all this other stuff and contracts voided,

790
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,639
like I mean, that's that seems like a little bit

791
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:00,239
much me.

792
00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:02,119
Speaker 1: Where are you at with this? More?

793
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 4: I think it's tough.

794
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 2: I think it's really tough because again, we don't know

795
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,480
the exact parameters of anything. We don't know what Steve

796
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,000
Balmer knows, we don't know what the lower end people know.

797
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 4: This is all theoretical.

798
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,679
Speaker 2: I think what Grant said earlier is something that I

799
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,280
really lean on in terms of like the it's just

800
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,440
such an it greaches external contract to be signed where

801
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:31,440
to why basically has to do virtually nothing to get

802
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,719
paid you know, approximately up to fifty million dollars like

803
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,519
that to me, if we were looking at the smoking gun,

804
00:40:40,199 --> 00:40:42,760
would be the one thing to say, look, justify this

805
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,800
in some capacity. And that's where you run into this

806
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,480
whole thing like looping in the clippers, Like are the

807
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,719
clippers the one who have to justify that? Or is

808
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,559
that aspiration? Like I that's the tough one for me.

809
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:57,519
If you can loop the clippers in any capacity where

810
00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:00,920
they have to justify it, if you're already getting to

811
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,920
that point where you as the league can have that

812
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,159
sit down with them and say, okay, look now the

813
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:07,920
burden of proof is on you the Clippers to prove

814
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,000
how he deserves forty eight up to fifty million dollars

815
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:15,599
on this external deal. Yeah, then I think you're in

816
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:21,039
line for potentially giving them a fine or some level

817
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:21,639
of punishment.

818
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 4: But to what extent, I have no idea.

819
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: I think we can all agree that naming the LLCKL

820
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,480
to Aspire was probably a terrible idea, though on Uncle

821
00:41:31,519 --> 00:41:34,079
Dennis's part, because we probably aren't even talking right now.

822
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,440
If it's more subtle, right, yeah, could be.

823
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, this has felt pretty clumsily done overall. But you know,

824
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,760
the one thing, the last thing I'll say, because I

825
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:47,480
gotta jump off. I don't think like Kawhi Leonard doesn't

826
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:50,239
really strike me as looking bad here, because like you

827
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,320
get presented with this deal from Aspiration, You're like, yeah,

828
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,920
all right, sounds good. I'll take your fifty million dollars.

829
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,480
This seems great. I don't have to do any you

830
00:41:57,559 --> 00:41:59,760
know what I mean. Like it's shady, it's like mora

831
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,639
like questionable. But it's like if a company wants to

832
00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:03,440
pay you money to do nothing, I think you're gonna

833
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:04,599
say yes, I would.

834
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,039
Speaker 1: I mean, if we're being honest, Uncle Dennis has done

835
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:11,000
quite well for Kawhi. Great job, great job.

836
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:16,599
Speaker 3: He's a as a as a strategist. He really has

837
00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:17,880
position Kawhi pretty well.

838
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: Uh, Grant, we will miss you as we get to

839
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,880
talk about More's favorite player signing one hundred million dollar deal. Though.

840
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:25,719
Is there anything you'd like to say to the kids

841
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:26,679
before you sign off?

842
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 3: Uh? Just try to find the uncle Dennis in your

843
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,880
life and let him take the reins. I think that's

844
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,719
probably the takeaway here. Get you someone that loves you

845
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,199
like Uncle Dennis loves Kawhi.

846
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,679
Speaker 1: All right, thank you to you later. All right, Grant

847
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,840
is gone. We miss him already. Moore. Do you have

848
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,480
anything to add on the Kauhi stuff or questions that

849
00:42:50,519 --> 00:42:53,199
you still have before we sort of move on?

850
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't look oh well questions. I mean again,

851
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,679
it's just the ti in right I. I this seems

852
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:05,599
so preposterous. It just seems it greaches whatever word you

853
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:09,400
want to use, to the point where I think Grant

854
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:12,320
used a good word, logic, Like you have to just

855
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,320
approach this with a sense of logic, right, Like who

856
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,440
in the right mind goes in and says, oh, or

857
00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:21,840
we'll give you almost fifty million dollar mister NBA Superstar

858
00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:24,639
without you having to do a goddamn thing for us,

859
00:43:24,679 --> 00:43:28,519
Like it just it utter reeks from start to finish.

860
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:30,679
Speaker 1: Do you think that there's like really just a chance

861
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,079
that my uncle Dennis was just like they just kind

862
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:35,360
of they were introduced to aspire and like he just

863
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,000
ran with it. I just don't know. I know, I

864
00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:40,920
don't know what the sales pitch would be as to

865
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,559
why or like it was a spire that invested in

866
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:46,360
the Clippers' success, like to the like thought it was

867
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,320
going to be so good for them that because that's

868
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,360
That's what I can't square away is that I think

869
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,239
a lot of what Mark Cuban was saying is like

870
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,159
you're you need to give the scammers more credit, or

871
00:43:56,679 --> 00:43:58,400
like this could have just been an entire thing on

872
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,199
the side with Uncle Dennis and like working on behalf

873
00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:04,119
of Kawhi. And then I wonder, like how much knowledge

874
00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:06,119
of it does Kawhi have, Like he has to realize

875
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:08,599
that seven million per year for a no show gig

876
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,639
is is a lot, right, or we just to believe

877
00:44:11,679 --> 00:44:14,280
that like, oh that's not that's he knew enough about

878
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,280
his Wingstop sponsorship. I think for him to take an

879
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,760
interest in seven million dollars per year coming his way

880
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,920
that he wasn't doing anything for. So I don't, as

881
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,239
Grant said, oh go ahead, Sorry.

882
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 4: I don't know, No, I know, I'm just like, do

883
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,400
you think when you've earned that much money at the NBA,

884
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,360
when you've been you know, practically the best player in

885
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,320
the league, You won multiple championships, you have multiple final

886
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:42,079
semip Awards, do you think that you might, like mentally

887
00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:45,199
have reached a point where you just don't question, Oh,

888
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,719
I got a deal worth seven million years, you don't

889
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:48,480
think like you?

890
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: Do you think most thing that you looked at his

891
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,000
new balance contract? Why does he think that he's getting

892
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:56,480
twenty to twenty two over four for that where he

893
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,960
actually has to do things versus twenty eight over four

894
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:01,960
for something in which he I.

895
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 4: Know, I know, but like, I just don't know if

896
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:05,679
a player thinks like that. Though.

897
00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't necessarily view Kauahi any differently here.

898
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:13,519
Like we said before Grant hopped off, Uncle Dennis seems

899
00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:16,039
like he's done quite well for KAUWHI I mean, like

900
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:17,719
you could say what you have about the request he's

901
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,119
made to other teams, But like Kauhi has still signed

902
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:22,719
deal after Deally, so he's been a great NBA player.

903
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:26,400
I guess I'm just having trouble there. Definitely seems like

904
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,599
something untoward happened here, But I just I know you're

905
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:33,079
saying not to assign too much ties to the contract.

906
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:35,519
I just don't like. So they didn't need to do

907
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:37,800
anything like this when he first signed, like to get

908
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,599
him to come to LA, but then where they worried

909
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:42,559
about losing him, which is why the timing of that

910
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:45,079
that Like that honestly might be the Clipper's strongest defense

911
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:50,000
to me is that we already quote unquote circumvented by

912
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:52,559
trading for Paul George. Basically like he didn't do anything

913
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:55,360
illegal there, but like Kawhi coming to LA was conditional

914
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,400
upon them getting Paul George. Why did you need to

915
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,639
do I just don't know. I don't know what the

916
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:03,840
benefit here was of the Like what did they risk

917
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,920
by not doing this? I guess is my like, if

918
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,719
I'm the Clippers, that, like, what was our risk by

919
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,000
not setting this up for Kawhi Leonard and I would

920
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,719
say absolutely nothing. Where was he going? We knew he

921
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,599
wanted to be in LA. He was on the I

922
00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:17,159
just that's why I'm having trouble squaring away.

923
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: Well, I again, that's that's what we know, right, I mean,

924
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:24,760
if they were worried they were gonna lose him to

925
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,320
someone else, you could make that case as well, like oh,

926
00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:31,519
getting him an extra twenty eight to fifty million, that

927
00:46:31,519 --> 00:46:36,039
that might sway his you know, his John Hancock's future contracts.

928
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,480
But again, this has to be proven. Can't sit here

929
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:43,400
and make you know, major assumptions. Although, god damn, it

930
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:47,360
just looks so bad. It looks so bad the optics here, however,

931
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,519
we want to frame them. Whatever the league finds out,

932
00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:51,920
even if it was just uncle Dennis doing a great

933
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:57,400
job as an agent slash uncle slash business partner, whatever,

934
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,199
the whole thing. Just the optics will never look good.

935
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 1: No, they don't look great. And do you think this

936
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,440
is Let's say they find something else and this is

937
00:47:08,039 --> 00:47:10,480
proven every is this worse than what happened with Joe Smith?

938
00:47:11,519 --> 00:47:11,840
Do you.

939
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,079
Speaker 4: Yeah? I would yes? I think so.

940
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 3: Uh.

941
00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:20,679
Speaker 2: This this is like a player who can't like I'm

942
00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:25,440
not saying Joe Smith wasn't like a perfectly reasonable rotation

943
00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:28,760
player for the Wolves back then. This is when healthy

944
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,280
and absolute top tier superstar who potentially could make the

945
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,400
difference on a championship ship level team, like if that

946
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:41,119
player is being signed under some I don't know if

947
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:44,199
this is the right term, false presenses or well, with

948
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:49,039
CBA circumventioned and the Clippers win a title, all of that,

949
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,320
does that not raise even more question? Does not that

950
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,239
that not, like from a historical perspective, just put the

951
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,880
league at a really bad position, Like, oh, that's right.

952
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just wondering how having the benefit of hindsight

953
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,280
now actually impacts it. Because the thunder just won a

954
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,239
title with the stuff the Clippers gave up to put

955
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,239
themselves in this position with Kui And how many playoff

956
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,440
series has LA won with Kuhi three? Right, So it's

957
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,519
not like they've enjoyed they would have to now go

958
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:17,280
on and win a title as the basically the oldest

959
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,039
team in NBA history to do so or whatever. What

960
00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:22,119
I actually do think is would also be part of

961
00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:25,039
the optics is let's just say you found out that

962
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:28,440
New Orleans circumvented the salary cap to pay Derek Queen

963
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:30,480
even more than his rookie scale because we know that

964
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:32,760
they love him. Wouldn't you almost had more respect for

965
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,079
it because like that market, not a glamour market, had

966
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:38,039
more like figured out a way to get around like

967
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:41,199
the bad optics, the limitations of his situation because it's

968
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,079
LA and because of you mentioned the caliber of player

969
00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:46,199
that QUI. But if this was Kawhi in New Orleans,

970
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,440
if this was Kawhi with Toronto, I know he won

971
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:51,920
a title there, you would almost have more respect for it, right,

972
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:55,440
or it wouldn't seem as just it would I want

973
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,440
to be clear, It seem more itchy. But it's like, oh,

974
00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:00,440
these big markets, these flagship markets that already have all

975
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,719
these other advantages, are now doing this on top of it.

976
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,760
I think it looks worse because of that. I'm not

977
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,559
saying I would have excused it if it was New Orleans,

978
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:14,239
but it worse because it is Los Angeles and because

979
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,119
it is the richest owner in the league as well.

980
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 2: I guess that's not actually a perspective I've had personally,

981
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,199
because I think whether that it would have been the

982
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,079
Raptures or the Pelicans paying Hawaii under the table, I like,

983
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,800
I hear you, I hear you, but no, I think

984
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,239
what you're saying as well is we know the bomber

985
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,840
has the deepest pockets of anyone in the League's for him,

986
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,280
it's just a natural, you know, an element he can

987
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:41,559
go to.

988
00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 4: That's it's.

989
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 1: Getting away. It's so I think that's why the optics

990
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,000
lookit worse. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

991
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:51,440
The final thing before we get into we're not even

992
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,440
gonna talk about Josh Giddy first. We're gonna save him

993
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,280
for for third topic on this list. How long do

994
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,280
you expect this? Like Adam Silver said, he's a big

995
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,159
fan of due process, he's got did he have the

996
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,039
due process cap on the logo? Due process on it?

997
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,480
I expect this to take a while before they do

998
00:50:08,519 --> 00:50:10,679
an They're gonna they're not gonna want the perception to

999
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,840
be that they rushed it. They're also not if something

1000
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,719
is wrong, They're gonna want to spend their time digging in.

1001
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:18,480
If we hear about this even by the All Star break,

1002
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,440
like a final verdict, I'd be that would be another

1003
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:23,440
thing that would surprise me.

1004
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 4: Doesn't the half the All Star Game?

1005
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. We heard him and said it's

1006
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:32,840
into this, but yeah, they do.

1007
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:45,039
Speaker 2: That would be funny, Like if something came out in like.

1008
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: Up on All Star weekend is what needs to happen.

1009
00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 4: Oh, that would be great. No, that'd be so funny,

1010
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,719
Like yeah, no, I think it's gonna take a while.

1011
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: Maybe they actually want to do a post All Star

1012
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:59,000
break just to like get everything squared away and then okay,

1013
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,760
now comes the punishment in March, which is the.

1014
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: Actual like so as, I mean, what if the Clippers

1015
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,239
are just they're the one seed in the West, but

1016
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,639
like or something wild, don't you think the outcry to

1017
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:14,760
get from the public to get to the bottom of

1018
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:20,360
this will be louder at that point because if they're bad,

1019
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,760
I feel like people wore just for like whatever, Like,

1020
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,000
look what's happening now they're reaping what they sell again,

1021
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,039
even when we don't know the results. But if they're

1022
00:51:27,079 --> 00:51:29,079
really good, and then, by the way, I did the

1023
00:51:29,079 --> 00:51:32,079
Clippers look ahead like eight to ten hours before the

1024
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:35,280
news broke on this, the Clippers might just be really

1025
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:42,280
fucking good. If there are any semblance of healthy, I.

1026
00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 2: Think I think you might be overestimating the attention span

1027
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,400
of the average sports fan.

1028
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: Thank you for telling me that fifty one minutes into

1029
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,159
a discussion on one topic.

1030
00:51:54,559 --> 00:52:00,079
Speaker 2: More I know my apologies, but like I do, do

1031
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:03,119
you really think that if the Clippers are the first

1032
00:52:03,159 --> 00:52:07,519
seed in on like March second, do you think that

1033
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:11,119
a lot of people by then are really thinking about

1034
00:52:11,159 --> 00:52:15,280
that like that that's top of mind? Or because at

1035
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,000
that point in time, you know, the NPA this is

1036
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:20,440
a crazy ass league. They're going to be what fifteen stories?

1037
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the NBA just filtered out heaves. Why

1038
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,599
aren't we spending fifty one minutes on that something you've

1039
00:52:26,639 --> 00:52:29,599
been able to do right on my basketball reference for years?

1040
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:35,119
They're yeah, Yeah, I'm fascinated to see what becomes of

1041
00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:37,599
all this. But I think there's gonna be outcry no

1042
00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:40,920
matter what. I think that you probably playkate the masses

1043
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,079
if there is a punishment, because I think people want

1044
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:45,519
there to be something wrong here or the NBA to

1045
00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:49,679
find something even worse here. If they end up finding

1046
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,559
nothing and they don't issue a punishment, I think that

1047
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:53,960
there will be You're right though, the attention span. I

1048
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,679
think it'll be a short lived news cycle, but I

1049
00:52:55,679 --> 00:52:58,639
think that people will be they'll be angry if nothing

1050
00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:04,400
comes of this. Let's talk Cam Thomas from from Salary

1051
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,360
Caps Circumvention to Free agency restricted free agency circumvention. That's

1052
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,880
not actually what happened. But he signed as you and

1053
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,559
I argued that he should mort. He signed his qualifying

1054
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:18,199
offer worth six million about He now has vetal rights

1055
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,079
over any trade this season that the Nets try to strike.

1056
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,280
His bird rights do not transfer if he gets traded,

1057
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,599
So his new team could give him one hundred and

1058
00:53:26,639 --> 00:53:28,519
twenty percent rays next year, which would come out to

1059
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:30,880
seven point two million, or they need to use cap

1060
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,239
space slash an exception to sign him. Before I throw

1061
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,719
it to you, the reported offers, there's been like some

1062
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,760
different numbers out there, but it seems like the Nets

1063
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,440
basically were prepared to guarantee him one year and fifteen

1064
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,199
million with a team option on the second year. So

1065
00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:48,159
he gave up nine million bucks and guaranteed money, give

1066
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:52,119
or take. It seems so what do you knowing what

1067
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:54,519
the mL is in years to come like next summer,

1068
00:53:54,599 --> 00:53:57,599
two years at the mid level, thirty one million, three years,

1069
00:53:57,639 --> 00:54:03,159
forty seven point seven, four years, sixty five plus what like?

1070
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:04,960
What do you make of his decision to sign the

1071
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,800
qualifying offer? Were you surprised? Do you think it was

1072
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,360
the right move? Where are you at?

1073
00:54:10,639 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 2: I think it was the right move. Look again, I

1074
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:19,639
understand that the league has a general skepticism level, high skepticism,

1075
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,559
sism level of a guy who is like six y four,

1076
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:26,000
who's stuck between positions, who really only does one thing.

1077
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:29,719
The thing about it, Dan is the one thing that

1078
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:34,000
he does do he does at such a fucking past level.

1079
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:35,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, like he he is.

1080
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:41,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is such a great score and it's so

1081
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,960
multi faceted as well. I still think people haven't come

1082
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,840
around to the fact that he has significantly improved as

1083
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,599
a three point shooter while maintaining his ability to get

1084
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:51,880
to the free throw line like you can. You can

1085
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,960
just ask him to go get twenty twenty four, twenty

1086
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,519
five any given night and he will do that. So

1087
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,239
I and I refuse to believe that that somehow doesn't

1088
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,159
have value in the NBA anymore. If that, if we

1089
00:55:04,199 --> 00:55:07,320
are pivoting all the way from like bucket getters to

1090
00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:11,320
oh we need you know tool see switchable Wings score

1091
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,039
nine points per game, And I'm out on this league

1092
00:55:14,039 --> 00:55:16,719
because that sounds boring as hell, sir, that that just

1093
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,280
sounds really really boring. I don't want a league full

1094
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:24,679
of Patrick Williams's. That sounds horrible, absolutely horrible. You need

1095
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,639
guys who can just late in games or over the

1096
00:55:28,639 --> 00:55:32,039
course of a game. Frankly, just go get you a bucket,

1097
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:34,599
Go get you several buckets, Just go get you points.

1098
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,000
And I think there are going to be teams out

1099
00:55:38,039 --> 00:55:41,800
in free agency next year who fully recognize that, hey,

1100
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,880
you know what you know, order to win games, you

1101
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,760
actually have to outscore the opponents. Cam Thomas can actually

1102
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,679
help us do that. So for him to take this

1103
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,760
play and say, you know, the Nests, they don't value me,

1104
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,320
they have no intention of being, you know, my long

1105
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,639
term team, so let me just get out of it

1106
00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:03,280
as soon as I can. And this is the best

1107
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,239
way to do it. I respect it.

1108
00:56:05,199 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 1: It looks I think it was the right decision too,

1109
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,440
because I find it hard to believe that he won't

1110
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,400
be able to get like two guaranteed years at the

1111
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,639
mid level exception next year. My one concern would be, yes,

1112
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:17,599
I think it's important to go out there and get buckets,

1113
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,559
but when you also see how much of a value

1114
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:21,599
you put on people who are supposed to space the

1115
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:25,440
floor get up threes in volume, maybe without cannibalizing on

1116
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:30,039
ball offensive possession. We've seen their markets in a lot

1117
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:32,119
of cases kind of drop off to where Look at

1118
00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:34,519
what happened with Gary Trent Junior. Look what happened with

1119
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:38,440
Malik Beasley before the gambling pro even he topped out

1120
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,320
at three years and forty two million, looked like he

1121
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,760
was gonna get. Is Cam Thomas inherently more valuable. He's

1122
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,519
a smaller player. I'd argue he's probably worse on defense.

1123
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,199
Is he inherently more valuable because of the front scratch creation?

1124
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,880
Because this might be a good gauge of does the

1125
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:58,320
NBA appreciate plug and play three point shooters more or

1126
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,280
someone who can get maybe he's on the small but

1127
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,920
can go get their own buckets. And I think you

1128
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,079
get to a certain level where it's okay Jalen Green

1129
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:08,880
getting like three years one hundred plus million. Sure I don't.

1130
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,599
I'm curious to see all pans out either way. I

1131
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:14,039
still think it ends up he'll get better or at

1132
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:17,800
least guarantee himself more money by waiting. But I am

1133
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,440
kind of clocking, Oh, you know, we have seen some

1134
00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:24,400
drop offs from what we thought were desirable players.

1135
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 2: Look, there are players out there who fit a certain

1136
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,639
level of archetype where it seams are skeptical of whether

1137
00:57:34,719 --> 00:57:37,599
they are pluck and play, you know, capable of playing

1138
00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:38,719
pluck and play basketball.

1139
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,199
Speaker 4: And I'll agree with you on that.

1140
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,519
Speaker 2: Like, give me a guy who can get you twenty

1141
00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:47,400
four per game unpluck and play type of play instead,

1142
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,559
someone who can come in and play off ball on ball,

1143
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,400
who can get to the line, who can consistently score

1144
00:57:53,519 --> 00:57:57,679
within the greater flow of the offense without dominating the basketball,

1145
00:57:57,719 --> 00:57:59,079
without taking positions away.

1146
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,719
Speaker 4: Yes, but how many.

1147
00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: Guys are realistically out there in the league who can

1148
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:06,199
do that?

1149
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 4: Right now? Kevin Durant, that's probably it?

1150
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, really, I mean that's like, yeah, okay, that feels

1151
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,559
like the extreme. But you're right, I'm trying to I

1152
00:58:17,559 --> 00:58:19,719
can't come up with a different name that's going to say.

1153
00:58:20,119 --> 00:58:22,800
You know, the closest you might come is like a

1154
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,400
John Brown. Do you consider him plugging player? No? Does

1155
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,039
that skew too far towards the.

1156
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 2: See Yeah, I actually don't. I actually don't because he's

1157
00:58:31,519 --> 00:58:34,559
like his three point shot. Do we really trust that?

1158
00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think he's any I.

1159
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,719
Speaker 2: Think in order to be a pluck and play player,

1160
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,519
you need to have the off ball, you know, spacing

1161
00:58:43,639 --> 00:58:47,360
gravitas to be able to absorb that level of attention.

1162
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,559
We've seen Jalen Brown get left alone rightfully, so like

1163
00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:54,920
he is not a sniper, and I think that's part

1164
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,519
of it. Like if Cam Thomas comes back this year

1165
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,599
and on this volume, like a threes per game instead

1166
00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:05,079
of like hitting forty five, if he hits forty nine,

1167
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:07,199
if those bets like forty nine percent of those bad boys,

1168
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,320
and he dripples less, just like you were talking about improvement,

1169
00:59:12,199 --> 00:59:15,639
just driples slightly less and ups the three point the

1170
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,440
catch and shoot three point rate. You could make a

1171
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,599
realistic argument that he would be far more valuable than

1172
00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:23,639
Jalen Green right off the bat.

1173
00:59:23,679 --> 00:59:26,599
Speaker 1: Do you think that this makes it more or less

1174
00:59:26,639 --> 00:59:33,159
likely that the Nets trade him? Well, they can't, well,

1175
00:59:33,199 --> 00:59:35,280
not before the season, but he has a no trade

1176
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,639
like he can veto a trade. They could still come

1177
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:40,760
to an agreement, like in January, agree to send him somewhere.

1178
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,280
Do you think this makes it more or less likely

1179
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,679
that it happens? Because if you're Cam Thomas, you could

1180
00:59:45,719 --> 00:59:48,159
ask yourself is it better that? Because I think the

1181
00:59:48,159 --> 00:59:50,039
issue with Brooklyn too is we're saying that this is

1182
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:52,920
a good bet but if they are inherently more invested

1183
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,320
in all these other guys on the rosters, quite a

1184
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:59,440
few of which are whom that when they drafted they

1185
00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:01,360
could opt right with the ball in their hands as well.

1186
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,760
Does that do anything to adversely impact your role or

1187
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,320
does it even make more sense to maybe you go

1188
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,559
somewhere with less volume, but you're contributing to to winning

1189
01:00:09,639 --> 01:00:10,840
or at least a better product.

1190
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:16,159
Speaker 4: Well, I mean giving up your bird rights.

1191
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,199
Speaker 2: That's the tricky one, right because not a lot of

1192
01:00:18,199 --> 01:00:20,719
teams generally have cap space. So if you want to

1193
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,559
get to a place, and I know Cam Thomas by

1194
01:00:22,719 --> 01:00:25,519
because he can veto trades, he can say, well, I

1195
01:00:25,519 --> 01:00:28,039
want to go there because this team is projected to

1196
01:00:28,039 --> 01:00:30,800
have cap space in the summer. But we know the

1197
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,519
NBA Dan like that scene could then make a trade,

1198
01:00:33,519 --> 01:00:37,039
that line deal or whatever, extend a guy and all

1199
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,159
to a contract that triggers that every season that very

1200
01:00:40,199 --> 01:00:43,199
summer lo and behold suddenly they won't have the cap

1201
01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:45,559
space available to like sign him to a major deal.

1202
01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:49,519
So oh, it's gonna be one of those situations where

1203
01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:51,639
he has to like figure out, is there a fit

1204
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:57,159
that catapults me into a different type of conversation where

1205
01:00:57,239 --> 01:00:59,199
I know I'll get the minutes, where I know I'll

1206
01:00:59,199 --> 01:01:02,400
have the impact where I can then go out on

1207
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,400
the open market and I can just get my money

1208
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:09,760
that way. If that situation is out there, I would

1209
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,519
be open minded if I'm cam Thomas for a trade.

1210
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:17,719
If that situation does materialize, then I'd just rather hang

1211
01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:19,320
on to my bird rides just in case.

1212
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,119
Speaker 1: That's interesting, because it does feel like that would be

1213
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:23,119
a risk, because what if let's just say he's healthy,

1214
01:01:23,159 --> 01:01:25,400
but like the Nets decide to really maybe they're too

1215
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,400
good again or they have to lean into the tank

1216
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:29,360
and where he's just not playing a ton after the

1217
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,039
All Star break? Can he help his value enough in

1218
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:34,840
that truncated sample. But I get what you're saying, where

1219
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,800
if teams need to pull off certain trades, like he

1220
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,400
could get a contract that way. At the same time,

1221
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,760
the Nets are like one of the teams that are

1222
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,920
gonna have a boatload of cap spaces of right now

1223
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,159
next summer. Still, so how important is like the sign

1224
01:01:49,199 --> 01:01:51,960
and trade scenarios, especially when you look at base your

1225
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,480
compensation issues. Since his salary is still so repressed, I

1226
01:01:55,519 --> 01:01:57,519
think if I'm him, I'm probably even more open minded

1227
01:01:57,559 --> 01:02:00,199
to it than you're suggesting he'd be, just because I

1228
01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:02,559
want to be in a position to where can I

1229
01:02:02,599 --> 01:02:04,559
be in the rotation of a team that is playing

1230
01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:08,239
basketball that matters more than Brooklyn nets basketball after the

1231
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,320
All Star break. I'm not saying a contender, but or

1232
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,639
even a situation like I don't know what the package

1233
01:02:12,679 --> 01:02:15,199
look like looks like, but maybe it's a means to

1234
01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:17,480
get them out of the luxury tax midseason. If you

1235
01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:21,639
end up on Boston, who needs a possessions either this season,

1236
01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:24,239
they're probably not going to be a contender. Who knows

1237
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:25,639
that they're even going to be a playoff team, But

1238
01:02:25,679 --> 01:02:27,400
like if you could go somewhere like that where it's

1239
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:30,280
an interesting organization, Like, no, they're not going to be

1240
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,440
able to keep you just because they're not going to

1241
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,679
have your bird rights, but can you make more of

1242
01:02:35,719 --> 01:02:38,920
a more of a case for yourself to other teams

1243
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,920
from a team like Boston than you can with Brooklyn

1244
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:41,400
this season?

1245
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:51,679
Speaker 2: I was thinking of a different Eastern Conference team, the Cavaliers,

1246
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,840
Like if you could get in there, and because no,

1247
01:02:56,079 --> 01:03:00,599
there's no time to your own anymore, lonso don't know

1248
01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:04,039
and we just we don't know how much he's gonna play.

1249
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:08,559
There might be a real need for guard production. Yes,

1250
01:03:08,599 --> 01:03:11,159
it would be off the bench. But look in Cam

1251
01:03:11,239 --> 01:03:15,159
Thomas's situation right now, as you outlined, there's a risk

1252
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,400
that he's not even starting for the Nets this year

1253
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,039
because they want to invest in the rookies.

1254
01:03:19,199 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 4: Like who knows.

1255
01:03:20,639 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: He's probably not gonna start on a lot of other

1256
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,639
teams either, not because of lack of talent, but if

1257
01:03:25,639 --> 01:03:29,000
he wants to go somewhere like where the spotlight is

1258
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,840
going to be on him a lot of nationally televised games,

1259
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:36,000
those are usually pretty good teams where they have their

1260
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,880
starting lineup in lock. So a Cleveland Cavaliers team, for example,

1261
01:03:40,239 --> 01:03:42,320
they're not gonna say, hey, Donald and Mitchell go to

1262
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,880
the bench because we just got Cam Thomas like that,

1263
01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:48,480
that's not gonna be a thing. But they have what

1264
01:03:48,519 --> 01:03:51,679
I would assume is a pretty broad opening at the

1265
01:03:51,679 --> 01:03:54,719
guard spot. Because if Lonzo, like I think you and

1266
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:56,920
I said this that we would consider forty games out

1267
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,519
of a Lonzo like a good season, we would consider

1268
01:03:59,559 --> 01:04:02,960
that like a slam dummy. Yeah, are we gonna sit

1269
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:04,840
here and say that Sam Merrill is gonna play over

1270
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:05,519
Cam's Thomas.

1271
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:06,719
Speaker 4: No I know.

1272
01:04:07,079 --> 01:04:09,519
Speaker 1: Here, No, no, no, this isn't the Thomas thing. Hold on,

1273
01:04:09,639 --> 01:04:12,719
hold on, it's a roster construction thing to where you

1274
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:17,519
already have Mitchell and Garland and in moments where one

1275
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,639
or if you want both of them off the court.

1276
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,840
Having Sam Merrill around Evan Mobley as you're trying to

1277
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,760
grow him as a creator does more for Evan Mobley

1278
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,159
than it would is replacing that with Cam Thomas. That's

1279
01:04:29,239 --> 01:04:32,719
not a Cam Thomas thing. I wasn't saying, Sam, I

1280
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,480
just but to our points, it's just the Cavs are

1281
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,199
interesting because then you would be on a contender, and

1282
01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:39,880
can you contribute off the bench to a contender? I

1283
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,559
think if I'm him, I probably want again because you're

1284
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:44,400
giving up your word rights. I need to go somewhere

1285
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,000
where I'm guaranteed to be like the sixth or seventh man.

1286
01:04:47,519 --> 01:04:50,559
I don't know if he would be that in Cleveland.

1287
01:04:50,719 --> 01:04:53,960
I guess because Struce and Hunter, assuming they're both well. Wow,

1288
01:04:54,039 --> 01:04:56,960
if once Struce is healthy, Hunter or him will be

1289
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:01,679
the sixth man over Cam Thomas and then like they yeah.

1290
01:05:01,519 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 2: But you said six or seventh, Like I would have

1291
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,440
to assume that if DeAndre Hunter is the sixth man

1292
01:05:07,079 --> 01:05:08,360
and Thomas, but I see I.

1293
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,519
Speaker 1: Could see them like favoring Lonzo and Sert just because

1294
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:13,000
you have Darius Garland and Nonovan Mitchell. Like what about

1295
01:05:13,239 --> 01:05:16,920
about Denver as an example, they don't have that like

1296
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,760
other shot creator coming off the bed.

1297
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 4: Oh that's fun, that's fun. I like that.

1298
01:05:23,559 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 2: Okay, they've already traded with each other on the Michael

1299
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:29,320
Porter Junior matching.

1300
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: The money gets difficult at seven million because I'm assuming

1301
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,480
they're not gonna want to take back Zeke Naugy, but

1302
01:05:34,519 --> 01:05:36,599
you could. You could figure out a way to do it.

1303
01:05:36,639 --> 01:05:39,360
And Denver does have it's twenty thirty two seconds still,

1304
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,840
so like you could probably and again Cam Thomas is

1305
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:44,519
the no trade cause the Nets just might want to

1306
01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:46,519
wash their hands of it if they're not planning on

1307
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:50,639
paying him. There are ways that you could figure it out.

1308
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 2: That'd be fun. That'd be fun too, because to your point,

1309
01:05:56,239 --> 01:05:59,079
he would get minutes. It would be a great situation.

1310
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,320
Is like the perfect little step ladder type of situation

1311
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,039
for him going into next summer.

1312
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:09,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, they come So he's making about seven million and

1313
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,760
they still have six point eight eight zero million left

1314
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,199
from the MPJA trade exception, so close that's rough stuff.

1315
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,239
You could still make it work, is my point, especially

1316
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,480
because they're more flexible with the types of trade they

1317
01:06:23,199 --> 01:06:25,639
can make now. But do you think so? But I

1318
01:06:25,679 --> 01:06:27,480
guess it's fun to throw out destinations. But do you

1319
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,320
think that could actively help him more than staying in Brooklyn?

1320
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,480
If like, I don't even want to say that, we

1321
01:06:32,519 --> 01:06:34,559
know he's gonna have a role, but knowing what you

1322
01:06:34,599 --> 01:06:36,679
know about Brooklyn and maybe the risks involved later in

1323
01:06:36,719 --> 01:06:38,760
the season, or maybe they just don't emphasize him as

1324
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:40,960
much as they're trying to groom these other youngsters.

1325
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,599
Speaker 2: No, yeah, in that situation, yes, I would also throw

1326
01:06:46,639 --> 01:06:48,920
the pacers in there as an example, like just turn

1327
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,039
andrewing them hard into the point guard he played most

1328
01:06:51,079 --> 01:06:54,000
of the last season at the two. Then throw Cam

1329
01:06:54,119 --> 01:06:56,639
Thomas right in there, into the thick of things, like

1330
01:06:57,239 --> 01:07:02,039
having having him gullbubble lot of minutes for a team

1331
01:07:02,119 --> 01:07:05,599
that's going to have a certain level of attention on

1332
01:07:05,679 --> 01:07:11,119
it would be far more interesting than the nets, because

1333
01:07:11,239 --> 01:07:14,079
let's just be real about it, there are not going

1334
01:07:14,119 --> 01:07:15,920
to be a lot of people watching the nets this year.

1335
01:07:16,719 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 4: It's it's going to be stand up growing pain.

1336
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:27,679
Speaker 2: YEP, I like, okay, interesting, I am not there. Yeah,

1337
01:07:27,719 --> 01:07:30,679
all right, that's fair. I always hope the best for

1338
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:34,199
every young player coming in. I'm a little skeptical of him.

1339
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,360
I don't know if I trust the jump shot. I

1340
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:38,760
I don't know. I need to I need to see

1341
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,239
a little bit more before I'm fully sold.

1342
01:07:42,519 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 4: But yeah, assuming Milwaukee.

1343
01:07:44,679 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 1: You like, would you prefer what they have Ryan Rods

1344
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,880
and Kevin Porter Junior and Trent but like none of them,

1345
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,159
Aj Green, Cole Anthony, they don't have.

1346
01:07:53,559 --> 01:07:56,599
Speaker 2: Oh these should play. He should play over a bunch

1347
01:07:56,639 --> 01:08:02,360
of those guys. If Milwaukee can get him, that is

1348
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:07,159
the least a very interesting way of, you know, restructuring

1349
01:08:07,199 --> 01:08:11,159
their entire roster after the whole Damien little waving stretch

1350
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,320
from the summer. That would be fun. That would be

1351
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:16,680
a smart way to actually go about it. They would

1352
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,039
get significantly younger.

1353
01:08:18,119 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: I mean, he could be their number. I mean it

1354
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:21,479
would have to be mid season when they unless you're

1355
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,039
getting rid of Kuzma now. But I don't know why

1356
01:08:23,079 --> 01:08:24,760
the Nets would do that unless the Bucks are including

1357
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:26,800
a first round pick. But at mid season you have

1358
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,880
a bunch of smaller salaries, to play around within camp.

1359
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,880
Thomas can't be traded until January at this point anyway.

1360
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:41,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, he'd be their second option offense.

1361
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:45,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, no, absolutely, I mean right now their second

1362
01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:48,000
option is either Miles Turner or Colin Kusma.

1363
01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 1: That's maybe even KPJ. Anything else on cam before before

1364
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:52,560
we move on to your guy.

1365
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:58,319
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, uh no, I just I like him. I

1366
01:08:58,359 --> 01:09:00,880
think I'm higher on him than consents and and look

1367
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:02,239
if I'm wrong about him, that's fair.

1368
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:07,079
Speaker 1: Josh Gitty, Sir. Four years, one hundred million dollars. He

1369
01:09:07,119 --> 01:09:10,479
initally wanted thirty million a year. The Bulls were offering

1370
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:11,840
twenty two and a half. They came in the middle

1371
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,319
of twenty five. As of right now, I haven't seen

1372
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:16,560
any options reported. You can correct me if I'm wrong.

1373
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,479
It's it's on an ascending scale. It will top out

1374
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,079
the value. People are worry about how it's going to age,

1375
01:09:23,159 --> 01:09:25,239
which we're gonna have a discussion about, but it will

1376
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:28,399
just for you know, notation's sake, it will top out

1377
01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:31,640
as fifteen point one seven percent of the salary cap.

1378
01:09:32,079 --> 01:09:35,439
Right now. So let's start here. Your impressions of how

1379
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,079
this ended. How do you think this deal is gonna

1380
01:09:37,079 --> 01:09:38,760
take take it wherever you want to more. This is

1381
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:43,479
your arena.

1382
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 2: Well look, I mean this is uh the play ninth

1383
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:52,159
seed of an NBA contract, So you know it's fine ish.

1384
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:56,880
I mean, look, Josh Getty got paid. That's cool. It

1385
01:09:57,359 --> 01:10:00,159
doesn't I wrote about this over at jahuo it. It

1386
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,640
doesn't in any way alleviate concerns about the floor speaking

1387
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,520
like the on court product. Whether Giddy was gonna be

1388
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:11,359
paid eighteen million a year or forty five million dollars

1389
01:10:11,359 --> 01:10:14,479
a year, it wouldn't change the fact that he's still

1390
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,840
someone who struggles to play in that plug and play

1391
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:21,119
role that we talked about before. Because the spacing issues

1392
01:10:21,159 --> 01:10:24,399
aren't what they are pretty prevalent. People look at the

1393
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,439
oh and say, oh, he shot forty eight percent from

1394
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,920
three this last year. Yeah, those most of them were

1395
01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:34,840
painfully wide open and spot ups Like it's not let's

1396
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,600
let's be real here, it's he wouldn't cross guys up

1397
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,680
and just drain threes in their faces. In fact, when

1398
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:44,439
he took pull ups, it went down to the low

1399
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,079
to mid twenties in terms of efficiency. So like, let's

1400
01:10:47,119 --> 01:10:49,760
not pretend to say if Josh Gitty has somehow become

1401
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,840
this great three point shooter. Those spacing issues, they still

1402
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:58,239
remain defensively. We'll have to see how he looks this year.

1403
01:10:58,319 --> 01:11:00,800
Last year was bad, he was really bad. He got

1404
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,479
burned constantly. So at the end of the day, we

1405
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:06,680
can sit here and talk about the contract, like does

1406
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,119
it matter. It only matters for the structure of the

1407
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:12,279
Chicago's Chicago's books. And we know Dann well, they're never

1408
01:11:12,319 --> 01:11:14,800
going to go into the tax. They're never gonna do

1409
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,199
a B and C. They'll find a way. If things

1410
01:11:17,239 --> 01:11:19,960
get too expensive, they'll find a WAYE dump guys. So

1411
01:11:20,039 --> 01:11:23,439
I'm really moving past the whole Oh will the solary

1412
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:26,800
structure look for Chicago? The salary structure for Chicago will

1413
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,920
look as it always does for them. They'll be over

1414
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:33,279
the cap under the tax. Ho hum, that's it. So

1415
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:36,920
I have to look at what does this change anything

1416
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:41,399
for them? Yeah, that's great. That that'd be fun. That'd

1417
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:45,960
be fun. This is just it's it's a continuation of

1418
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:51,520
a plan that's not yet fully fletched, fully developed, however

1419
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:53,800
you want to RaSE it. This is this is just

1420
01:11:54,039 --> 01:12:00,439
them doing virtually nothing and expecting it to magically pan out.

1421
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 4: Like and we knew this coming in. We knew this

1422
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:04,159
back in July.

1423
01:12:04,359 --> 01:12:07,039
Speaker 2: We knew this back in June that that would be

1424
01:12:07,039 --> 01:12:09,800
the case, because they made it pretty obvious that they

1425
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,640
did not want to lose Josh Gitty. I think a

1426
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,760
lot of people, particularly Bulls fans, were hoping that he

1427
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,000
would take the qualifying offer and then he was signed

1428
01:12:18,039 --> 01:12:19,239
somewhere else next year.

1429
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 4: Now that's off the table.

1430
01:12:21,079 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 2: So I guess Bulls fans enjoyed Josh Gitty and the

1431
01:12:25,399 --> 01:12:29,880
middling efficiency and the midsier results that's he's going to yield.

1432
01:12:30,159 --> 01:12:34,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, this doesn't I'm this is uninspiring, But I don't

1433
01:12:34,399 --> 01:12:37,239
know that if you were a Bulls fan or from

1434
01:12:37,319 --> 01:12:39,560
our perspective, I don't know you could have looked at

1435
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:43,000
this and expected a different outcome. I mean, I guess

1436
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,159
the fact that there's no player options on it is

1437
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:48,359
like a win for the Bulls optically, So there's that.

1438
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:50,479
This is just sort of I would you use the

1439
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,159
word ho hum like this is sort of what There's

1440
01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:54,920
a chance it doesn't age into a bad contract, but

1441
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,720
I don't think. I think for the value he provides

1442
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,279
to a franchise in their current position, if you aspire

1443
01:13:01,399 --> 01:13:04,680
to do anything more than contend for play in territory

1444
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,000
or carve out a path to get there. I don't

1445
01:13:07,039 --> 01:13:09,039
think that this is a good contractor a good fit.

1446
01:13:09,399 --> 01:13:11,720
Maybe they have other moves up their sleeve, but this

1447
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,840
is not. But that's the point though. It's just like

1448
01:13:15,279 --> 01:13:18,680
it's uninspiring, but it's not unexpected, and I think compared

1449
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:21,359
to what they could have done, this is like a

1450
01:13:21,399 --> 01:13:24,000
better outcome than having giving him five years at thirty

1451
01:13:24,039 --> 01:13:26,159
million a pop or with a player out or something

1452
01:13:26,159 --> 01:13:27,039
along those lines.

1453
01:13:28,199 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 2: Right right, No, no, absolutely, And it just it's further

1454
01:13:35,079 --> 01:13:38,840
proof Dan in many ways. And this is funny because

1455
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,880
we were talking about like the Cam Thomas situation right, like, oh,

1456
01:13:42,079 --> 01:13:44,239
the league is on so that caliber player, you know,

1457
01:13:44,319 --> 01:13:47,640
the undersized shooting guard who doesn't really add a whole lot,

1458
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,840
but you know where the league isn't caught up yet

1459
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:54,479
to the ross stats, like Gidea had tremendous ross stats,

1460
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:58,520
but his influence just wasn't there. So that's good news

1461
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:02,199
for guys coming into the NBA. Hey, look player in

1462
01:14:02,239 --> 01:14:04,239
college who's gonna be a first round for next year.

1463
01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:06,239
If you can get into the NBA and just average

1464
01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:09,159
fifteen five and five and it doesn't matter about efficiency,

1465
01:14:09,199 --> 01:14:13,000
defense or any other fucking thing, You'll be golden. You'll

1466
01:14:13,159 --> 01:14:16,399
you'll sign for eighty ninety million, just because you have

1467
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,920
that magical all around line. Like the raw stats is

1468
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:24,079
still king baby, don't don't get it twisted. It's no,

1469
01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:28,560
it's it's it does nothing for them, it doesn't. I

1470
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,359
would argue that the best course of event would be

1471
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,760
someone else, you know, the Nets, for example, just signing

1472
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,319
him away, and then the Bulls just not maging an

1473
01:14:37,319 --> 01:14:40,079
offer sheet, because I think the Bulls, honestly would be

1474
01:14:40,119 --> 01:14:45,159
far more interesting if Kobe White, Kevin Hurder, those guys

1475
01:14:45,239 --> 01:14:49,039
Iyodusumu became sort of the lead guards, like that shared

1476
01:14:49,279 --> 01:14:52,840
lead guard position where everything is like you have shooters,

1477
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:56,399
you have guys who can bend defenses. You can actually

1478
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:01,000
create a three point oriented offense, whereas here you're forced

1479
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,399
to tailor your entire offense around Josh Gitty. Whether he

1480
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,159
earns fourteen percent of the cap or he earns twenty

1481
01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:10,000
five percent of the caps, it does not fucking matter

1482
01:15:10,279 --> 01:15:13,840
because you still have to play through him because that's

1483
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:19,000
the game that he has. It's just all so pointless.

1484
01:15:19,399 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 1: Do you know what I also thought about when I

1485
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,640
saw This is that if Josh Gidty is worth twenty

1486
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:27,720
five million per what is Kobe White gonna get next summer?

1487
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,439
Because his extension right now is less than Josh Gitty got,

1488
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:31,880
So you're not gonna extend it. If he signs a

1489
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,159
four year, ninety one million dollar extension or reveren ends

1490
01:15:34,199 --> 01:15:38,119
up being because the whatever that league average salary estimate

1491
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:41,199
comes out to be, that would be a heist on

1492
01:15:41,279 --> 01:15:42,439
Chicago's part.

1493
01:15:43,399 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 2: Oh look, then the NBA able to have to go

1494
01:15:47,159 --> 01:15:49,560
immediately from the Clippers to the Bulls to investigate.

1495
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 1: So he hits the open market next year. I'm not

1496
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,640
saying he'll get this, but a three year max would

1497
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,279
run about one hundred and sixty two million, A four

1498
01:15:57,359 --> 01:15:59,920
year max runs about two hundred and twenty four million,

1499
01:16:00,319 --> 01:16:03,720
a five year max runs about two hundred and ninety million.

1500
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:07,359
What does he get now? You could play, You could

1501
01:16:07,359 --> 01:16:08,720
say the whole Well, we don't know how many teams

1502
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:11,439
are gonna have cap space. Nobody ain't cap space this year,

1503
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:14,800
and Josh Giddy still got twenty five million per and

1504
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,439
if he had minimum leverage, we agree. Okay, Kobe White's older,

1505
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:22,800
he's smaller, he's better. So what does What does this

1506
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,840
say to you about his march? Like, are we looking

1507
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:29,079
at someone who gets like, I don't know, thirty five

1508
01:16:29,199 --> 01:16:30,640
at least million a year?

1509
01:16:31,079 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that was the number I had. That was

1510
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,680
the number I had, forty five thirty five a year.

1511
01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:40,159
Here's the thing about Kobe, right, we were talking about

1512
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:42,279
pluck and play guys. We were saying, Oh, Kevin Durant

1513
01:16:42,359 --> 01:16:46,880
is like maybe d one Kobe White might be a

1514
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,960
guy down the line to from a guard position, specifically,

1515
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:54,000
like that dude is pluck and play great off the

1516
01:16:54,039 --> 01:16:59,039
ball has really taken strides on ball, not necessarily someone

1517
01:16:59,159 --> 01:17:01,800
who is that shot happy that he won't be able

1518
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:06,000
to make the right read like he is tremendously underrated

1519
01:17:06,039 --> 01:17:08,239
and partly because he plays in Chicago and everyone has

1520
01:17:08,279 --> 01:17:13,319
given up watching the franchise, which I relate. He's going

1521
01:17:13,399 --> 01:17:16,199
to get a shit ton of money, rightfully, So I

1522
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:21,479
think the Bulls are still in that very weird sphere

1523
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:25,439
of things where they expect him to return. And I

1524
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,079
can't figure out dan if I'm just looking at the

1525
01:17:28,079 --> 01:17:31,199
Bulls going oh honey, no, like if they really believe

1526
01:17:31,199 --> 01:17:34,039
they have a chance here, Like why would Kobe be White?

1527
01:17:34,399 --> 01:17:37,680
Even if they offered him forty five million a year, Like,

1528
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,560
why would he want to stick to a franchise that

1529
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,039
is just so unambitious?

1530
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:43,520
Speaker 4: Like why would he?

1531
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:47,600
Speaker 2: He's he's a borderline all star, He's about to enter

1532
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,800
the prime of his career. Why would he want to

1533
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,880
just waste that away on a team that just has

1534
01:17:54,079 --> 01:17:57,600
zero aspirations? And remember, he has no obligation because he's

1535
01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:58,760
an unrespected free agency.

1536
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: There are two things could play a role here. The

1537
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,600
Bulls giving him a fifth year are worth so much

1538
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:05,680
money to where what if it's a five year, two

1539
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,520
hundred plus million dollar deal fair you're Kobe White. You

1540
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,279
have to think about that. The other thing would be

1541
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:15,399
is Kobe White gonna have suitors next summer? And so

1542
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,720
there's about ten teams that project to have cap space.

1543
01:18:18,079 --> 01:18:20,600
I think it will end up being fewer. It just

1544
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:23,600
works like that. But there are teams like the Nets

1545
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,760
when they don't control their own pick twenty seven Detroit

1546
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:28,439
depending on what happens with Jade and Ivy. I know

1547
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:31,760
Pistons fans probably want someone bigger as that secondary option

1548
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,119
to Kaid, But because Caid is so big, I think

1549
01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:36,439
it gives you some flexibility there again, just saying if

1550
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,600
Jay and Ivy doesn't pan out, Charlotte could have cap space.

1551
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:41,159
I mean, they have a ton of guards there already.

1552
01:18:41,199 --> 01:18:44,039
And the other thing is is that in this instance,

1553
01:18:44,319 --> 01:18:47,520
you could look at signing trades, although base your compensation

1554
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:49,600
oddly enough could become an issue with him because he's

1555
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:54,039
so cheap right now. So again, we already kind of

1556
01:18:54,079 --> 01:18:57,359
have the base. What's that the Lakers, I don't think

1557
01:18:57,359 --> 01:18:59,560
they're gonna have cap space next year. I think that's

1558
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,720
I've kind of written them off. I don't think they're

1559
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:05,000
gonna end up working with cap space. That's like Lebron

1560
01:19:05,079 --> 01:19:06,079
retired situation.

1561
01:19:06,199 --> 01:19:10,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be interesting to see, right That's that's the thing.

1562
01:19:10,039 --> 01:19:12,039
I just he's such a wild card. I think after

1563
01:19:12,079 --> 01:19:14,840
this season, with those the burps that came there, like

1564
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:18,439
if he wasn't interested in retaining you know, his position

1565
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:19,159
there and whatnot.

1566
01:19:19,199 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 4: But like that's a team I at least have.

1567
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 1: Strateg So I think that would be if you're Kobe,

1568
01:19:24,079 --> 01:19:26,279
is the leverage going to be out there as of

1569
01:19:26,359 --> 01:19:28,079
right now? I don't think we could say for sure,

1570
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,520
but I definitely think he will have more leverage than

1571
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:35,000
Josh Giddy did this summer, and so if you're setting

1572
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:38,600
me over under at thirty five million dollars a year,

1573
01:19:39,159 --> 01:19:41,399
or let's say, I think you have to go over

1574
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:43,920
as a breath unless the Bulls maybe he gets traded,

1575
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,560
Like is that do you think that's at all gonna

1576
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,079
be on like a Chicago gonna have it's sort of

1577
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:53,439
come to reality moment or are they gonna decide Because

1578
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,000
the other part of this too is I really like

1579
01:19:55,079 --> 01:19:57,880
Kobe Whitemore. But if you're the Bulls this time next

1580
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,680
year and you're sitting here, we're talking and they just

1581
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,920
have like sixty sixty five million dollars a year committed

1582
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,359
to Kobe White and Josh Giddy, I know the cap

1583
01:20:06,399 --> 01:20:10,479
is going up, but that's not the most inspiring like

1584
01:20:11,279 --> 01:20:12,359
combined investment.

1585
01:20:15,119 --> 01:20:17,119
Speaker 4: Do you think the Bulls look at it that for that.

1586
01:20:17,039 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 1: Life everyone's getting extension. I'm just gonna get extended to

1587
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:22,479
like I don't see, You're right.

1588
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,359
Speaker 2: No, but but like, honestly, I'm not I'm not even joking.

1589
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,399
I mean, this is a team that has made it

1590
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:32,840
painfully away like obvious, and have made fans aware they

1591
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,359
care about like the ticket stuffs, right, like they don't

1592
01:20:35,399 --> 01:20:37,520
care about you know, viewership.

1593
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:39,159
Speaker 4: They care about getting people.

1594
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 2: In seats, and the Bulls like it's still a ticket

1595
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,039
in Chicago because it's cold in the wintertime.

1596
01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 4: It's a seat. It's like entertainment.

1597
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,359
Speaker 2: They have any of the bull all that this is

1598
01:20:48,399 --> 01:20:52,439
not a franchise that particularly cares about the basketball aspect.

1599
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:54,880
And I'm not saying that to be mean or to

1600
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,680
be you know, someone who takes a stand against the Bulls.

1601
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:01,119
I'm saying this because that's actually what is happening right now,

1602
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:03,279
Like the Bulls are never gonna look at it. You

1603
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,000
could argue over the past couple of years with Vouch,

1604
01:21:06,079 --> 01:21:10,800
for example, like why stick with him, Why stick with Booch?

1605
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,159
Why even give him the extension? Why not trade him

1606
01:21:13,159 --> 01:21:17,680
proactively when it came became pretty obvious that the current

1607
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:21,680
eneration Lavine and him and Derosan wasn't working right, Or

1608
01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:25,800
why not pivot off DeRozan when he was getting pretty

1609
01:21:26,319 --> 01:21:28,359
obvious that he was not going to stick around, Like

1610
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:31,359
Kobe White, like just freaking Kobe White when he was

1611
01:21:31,399 --> 01:21:33,880
a great value contract and they could have squeezed the

1612
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:37,600
everlasting fuck out of his value in terms of extracting

1613
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:40,920
draft picks. They don't want to go that route. They

1614
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:45,119
want to have solid players who are a bit of

1615
01:21:45,159 --> 01:21:47,840
a name. And I promise you they are going to

1616
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,920
present Josh Giddy as if he's fucking Lebron James this year.

1617
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,319
That's that is just how they're going to go about this,

1618
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:58,079
because look, come and watch Josh Giddy. It's a circus

1619
01:21:58,079 --> 01:22:01,319
for them. It's not basketball, it hasn't been for years.

1620
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 1: Have any good arguments against what you're saying. I would

1621
01:22:04,079 --> 01:22:06,239
argue that the Josh Giddy extension is good news for

1622
01:22:06,319 --> 01:22:08,479
Kobe White because one way or the other just ensures

1623
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,119
that he's going to get paid by them, or maybe

1624
01:22:11,119 --> 01:22:13,000
they trade him and he ends up in a better situation,

1625
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,239
or Yeah, the biggest winner in all this might just

1626
01:22:16,239 --> 01:22:17,680
be Kobe White. I mean, he might still have to

1627
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:19,640
play for the Bulls, but here's hoping.

1628
01:22:21,239 --> 01:22:21,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1629
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 2: Well, I mean Josh Giddy became a winner here. I mean, look,

1630
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:28,000
one hundred million, when when you're not a great shooter

1631
01:22:28,279 --> 01:22:33,159
and when you're that poor defensively, GOK is your money.

1632
01:22:33,199 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: I guess I still wonder how I how much of

1633
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:38,479
this is just the raw dollar amount of sticker shock,

1634
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,840
because I think you could say, look, when you look

1635
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:43,479
at it from Okay, well, what are the Bulls doing?

1636
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,520
Fifteen percent of the salary cap seems like a lot,

1637
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,760
but it's also not. It's just, yeah, he's He's a

1638
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:51,000
tough case study because I don't think he's like the

1639
01:22:51,039 --> 01:22:53,479
worst NBA player alive. I just think for a team

1640
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,119
in the Bulls situation, if you were going to invest

1641
01:22:56,239 --> 01:22:58,319
in the player Josh Giddy is or who you think

1642
01:22:58,319 --> 01:23:01,920
he's going to become, this isn't the move. And that's

1643
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,520
why it's tough to separate. That's the problem is it's

1644
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,600
tough to separate Josh Getty the player now and what

1645
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:10,760
he could be versus whatever it is that the Bulls are, like,

1646
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:13,359
the Bulls are doing fuck all right now? So, and

1647
01:23:13,399 --> 01:23:15,439
I think that's what's really difficult about this, right.

1648
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 2: Maybe that's a more interesting discussion too. What is it

1649
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:24,920
that we expect Josh Getty to eventually become? Like Again,

1650
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:29,359
he would have to and I cannot over emphasize this enough.

1651
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:34,920
He would have to have to dan become this very

1652
01:23:35,119 --> 01:23:39,479
very very strong off ball shooter to gain the necessary

1653
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:42,800
advantage being an off ball player. So that opens up

1654
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:44,119
the floor for more players.

1655
01:23:44,399 --> 01:23:45,359
Speaker 4: If he is.

1656
01:23:45,319 --> 01:23:48,560
Speaker 2: Still going to just to be like a spot up

1657
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,319
guy who can't create create his own looks from three

1658
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,359
and if he has to be wide ass fucking open

1659
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:57,680
to take them and make them, that floor spacing is

1660
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:00,560
going to be a night to night sack crific that

1661
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,079
you're gonna have to live with in the year twenty

1662
01:24:03,119 --> 01:24:06,399
twenty five soon twenty twenty six. That I just don't

1663
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:10,520
see a pathway here unless that three pointer becomes an

1664
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:14,720
outright strength of his even off the dribble, where what

1665
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,560
he gives up spacing wise and defensively, not to talk

1666
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:20,079
about the defense as well, What do you how.

1667
01:24:20,359 --> 01:24:22,319
Speaker 1: Quick you want to see the three point and become

1668
01:24:22,319 --> 01:24:24,760
a strength you're talking about off the dribble specifically, Look,

1669
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:26,920
I think there's a chance because he's had stretches before

1670
01:24:27,319 --> 01:24:29,359
that he'll hit catch and shoot threes at a good clip.

1671
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:31,560
Like I think that's totally within the realm of possibility.

1672
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,159
When you're talking about off the dribble, you mean you

1673
01:24:34,199 --> 01:24:37,039
want to see him like Dipsy doing off the balance

1674
01:24:37,039 --> 01:24:38,640
and firing step backs. Or is it he gets a

1675
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:41,119
ball screen, is able to just take one two dribbles

1676
01:24:41,159 --> 01:24:43,760
into a pull up. Okay, the second one probably not

1677
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,239
outside the realm of possibility. Look, he does have in

1678
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:49,720
the aesthetics of the floater game, and so if he's

1679
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,840
able to work off the ball, catch, make quick decisions,

1680
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:54,640
and drive get to his floater, he's probably not gonna

1681
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:56,239
be someone who puts a ton of pressure on the rim.

1682
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,560
I'm just trying to think of, like what would be

1683
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:03,199
a good player as a realistic exemplar for him to

1684
01:25:04,119 --> 01:25:07,359
turn into that would make you feel better about Josh Giddy,

1685
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:11,439
both on and independent of the bulls.

1686
01:25:12,239 --> 01:25:13,600
Speaker 4: I actually I actually have one.

1687
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,520
Speaker 2: I think you can appreciate this, but we're gonna have

1688
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:18,600
to go a little bit back in the memory bank

1689
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:21,920
for this one. Remember when Tyreek Evans came into the

1690
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,800
league and you know, also an all round guy right

1691
01:25:25,079 --> 01:25:27,600
like that, he was one of the he I think

1692
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,640
he was, what one of the first players alongside like

1693
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:34,439
Mike Lebron big O or something to have like a

1694
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:37,000
twenty five to five rookie season and he won Rookie

1695
01:25:37,039 --> 01:25:40,039
of the Year, one of the major opsticles for him.

1696
01:25:40,359 --> 01:25:42,159
That was the same with with Josh Gitty, Like he

1697
01:25:42,239 --> 01:25:46,840
couldn't he couldn't shoot. Then he came to was it Memphis.

1698
01:25:47,399 --> 01:25:49,279
I'm gonna have to look this up because this isn't

1699
01:25:49,319 --> 01:25:52,319
an old reference. But he made it to Memphis one year,

1700
01:25:52,399 --> 01:25:56,640
and that was before he got uh suspended by the league,

1701
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:01,479
right because because of the some sub since things. Yeah, exactly.

1702
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,079
He made it to Memphis in the twenty seventeen twenty

1703
01:26:04,119 --> 01:26:07,319
eighteen and he started hitting a three ball f well,

1704
01:26:07,359 --> 01:26:09,840
thirty nine point nine percent, so forty percent clip on

1705
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:12,159
five and a half attempts per game. And he was,

1706
01:26:12,279 --> 01:26:15,880
you know, averaging close to twenty five and five and

1707
01:26:16,079 --> 01:26:19,000
wasn't even starting full time, like he was finding his

1708
01:26:19,079 --> 01:26:23,039
game there. And I remember that year in Memphis, the

1709
01:26:23,079 --> 01:26:26,720
way that he played, given that he could suddenly hit

1710
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,039
the three pole both off the bounce and off the catch,

1711
01:26:29,159 --> 01:26:32,119
like he had that capability that all of a sudden,

1712
01:26:32,119 --> 01:26:33,720
when he had the ball in his hands, he had

1713
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:37,399
to get picked up further, like further along the court,

1714
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:39,920
right like you just couldn't back off of him anymore.

1715
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:42,439
That opened up the slashing game that gave him like

1716
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:44,720
that secondary layer of oh, I can get into the

1717
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:46,720
teeth of defense, I can make a drop off like

1718
01:26:47,039 --> 01:26:50,399
that is the that pathway, although that was very a

1719
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:54,159
rough pathwork for Tyreek specifically because that was like I

1720
01:26:54,199 --> 01:26:56,479
want to say, eight years after his rookie season where

1721
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:58,520
he had like the twenty five to five thing, but

1722
01:26:59,119 --> 01:27:03,439
you know that pathway of being the all round guy

1723
01:27:04,119 --> 01:27:07,439
who suddenly realizes, oh, you know what, I actually have

1724
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,039
to integrate myself into the office in a way that

1725
01:27:10,119 --> 01:27:14,239
optimizes other players, where if I don't have the ball

1726
01:27:14,279 --> 01:27:18,520
in my hands, I better goddamn be a threat so

1727
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:22,079
defenses can't cheat off of me. That has to be

1728
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:25,239
like the player in my mind, that makes sense.

1729
01:27:25,279 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does feel like Tyre Gebbans had more on

1730
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:32,000
ball as a scorer, but I think that so that, Yeah,

1731
01:27:32,079 --> 01:27:33,720
but I can't My point was, I can't even come

1732
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:35,840
up with a good one. There's like, what about like

1733
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:39,520
a less physical Deanyovdia might be potentially one, Like can

1734
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,479
you hope he turns into something like that? But defensively,

1735
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:44,039
he's never was.

1736
01:27:44,079 --> 01:27:46,520
Speaker 4: Theanny not a good a decent shooter, like right off

1737
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:47,000
the bat.

1738
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:49,079
Speaker 1: I mean like then even now, I don't you're not

1739
01:27:49,119 --> 01:27:51,439
trusting him to drill a ton of looks off the dribble,

1740
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:53,479
like jumpers off the dribble like he could. He's gotten

1741
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:57,840
a lot better, right, Yeah, So I just don't have

1742
01:27:57,960 --> 01:27:59,439
like the great and it's so you know, what really

1743
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:01,800
I struggle with is because his on ball archetype is

1744
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,640
a little unique as well, because there's a passivity there

1745
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:06,520
as a scorer. There's a not getting all the way

1746
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:08,800
to the rim there as a scorer. So that like

1747
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:11,119
just increases the var because like Danny Avia can get

1748
01:28:11,119 --> 01:28:13,760
to the rim and then he has Tyreek Evans is

1749
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:16,000
your example, had a different cadence to his game. I

1750
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,239
don't know what like, I don't know what to say.

1751
01:28:19,399 --> 01:28:22,000
Josh Giddy should view this player as sort of aspirational,

1752
01:28:22,119 --> 01:28:25,159
like to do something but not you know, skill for skill,

1753
01:28:25,199 --> 01:28:26,600
but something along those lines.

1754
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. I just don't think he's a point guard

1755
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:33,600
at the end of the day. I would much rather

1756
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:34,159
see him.

1757
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 1: It's like you want to see him as like John.

1758
01:28:36,239 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 2: Collins, No, not a playfing shirt, but like a playmaking.

1759
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:44,720
Speaker 1: Four less physical Julius Rant.

1760
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:53,039
Speaker 2: Again, maybe that's actually not a bad one all things considered.

1761
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,239
I because what I want at the guards spot and

1762
01:28:56,279 --> 01:29:00,800
the primary wing spot is a lot of interchangeability, a

1763
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:03,159
lot of floor spacing, a lot of shooting, a lot

1764
01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:05,960
of like you know, explosive offense.

1765
01:29:06,119 --> 01:29:07,199
Speaker 4: To way capabilities.

1766
01:29:07,239 --> 01:29:09,600
Speaker 2: If you put Josh Getty in a role where he

1767
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:12,319
isn't like the de facto point guard that everything has

1768
01:29:12,359 --> 01:29:17,239
to run through, I think there's a situation there where

1769
01:29:17,239 --> 01:29:20,119
you can sort of squint and see, okay, this actually

1770
01:29:20,159 --> 01:29:22,359
tracks a little bit like that makes sense that he's

1771
01:29:22,399 --> 01:29:24,800
not the primary dude, that you have a bunch of

1772
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,439
guards on the floor, a lot of ball handlers. Because

1773
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:30,039
if it's Josh Giddy as your primary ball handler and

1774
01:29:30,079 --> 01:29:32,840
he has to play with a big man like let's

1775
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:38,680
just say, booch, what's again, what's the upside there? Where

1776
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:40,760
do you get the secondary at CHURCHI or ball handling?

1777
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:44,560
Where do you get the positional flexibility? Where do you

1778
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:47,159
get the defense? Where do you get a b CD E?

1779
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:51,079
It's I just think I don't think point guard is

1780
01:29:51,079 --> 01:29:53,760
his spot. Also, we've seen him try to defend point

1781
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:57,279
guards because the bulls apparently keep letting him try to

1782
01:29:57,359 --> 01:29:57,720
do that.

1783
01:29:57,960 --> 01:29:59,239
Speaker 4: And that's let's.

1784
01:29:59,119 --> 01:30:04,319
Speaker 1: Wrap up here. Jonathan Aminga Quentin Grimes remain moret do

1785
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:06,239
any one of them. And I think you could look

1786
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:09,319
if I'm quitting crimes, I see, I know my sample

1787
01:30:09,359 --> 01:30:11,279
size is smaller, but it's smaller in a good way.

1788
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:13,399
Josh Kitty might have too much of a sample of

1789
01:30:13,399 --> 01:30:16,920
telling us one thing. If I'm quitting Grimes like kaminga

1790
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,199
and you want Giddy to be a power forward, but

1791
01:30:19,239 --> 01:30:21,319
like him and Kaming are just fundamentally different players. But

1792
01:30:21,319 --> 01:30:23,720
if I'm a guard like Grimes, I see Josh kidding

1793
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:27,119
get at minimum. I think that this makes it more

1794
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:29,359
likely Quentin Grimes signs his qualifying offer.

1795
01:30:31,039 --> 01:30:35,279
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, if the offering what was the offered? Again,

1796
01:30:35,359 --> 01:30:37,800
remind me most of seventeen.

1797
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:40,199
Speaker 1: Officially offered that I haven't even seen, maybe read anything

1798
01:30:40,239 --> 01:30:42,600
on that. I've just I've seen numbers thrown around. We

1799
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:45,479
haven't had the concrete reporting that we've had on Giddy,

1800
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:48,359
KAMINGA and and Tom.

1801
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:51,560
Speaker 2: All Right, I might be mis for remembering, but like

1802
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:55,760
I yeah, I would absolutely be willing to take the

1803
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:58,760
qualifying offer and just see what the hell happens next.

1804
01:30:59,079 --> 01:31:01,159
Speaker 1: Like even camp Tom signing it might have I think

1805
01:31:01,199 --> 01:31:03,960
the risk with him though, is even greater that the

1806
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,880
floor could fall out from underneath him than a Cam Thomas,

1807
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:09,640
just because the Sixers, if they're healthy, do have so

1808
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,880
many other options, and like if Jared McCain and Tyres

1809
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:17,000
Maxie specific well, is it a stretch to say that

1810
01:31:17,079 --> 01:31:19,439
Jared McCain and Tyres Maxie will both be healthy and

1811
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:20,600
VJ Edgecomb?

1812
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was kidding.

1813
01:31:23,079 --> 01:31:25,399
Speaker 2: I was just I was just poking at the sixers

1814
01:31:25,399 --> 01:31:29,760
because sixers and health, that is just no, that's a history. No.

1815
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:33,640
Speaker 4: I agree. I agree, it's a fair point, and I.

1816
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 1: Think you can get away with it for some stretches.

1817
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:38,239
But I don't know if like if I think you

1818
01:31:38,279 --> 01:31:40,520
need him beat as your center in those minutes, which

1819
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:45,239
is just like that becomes its own issue then but

1820
01:31:45,279 --> 01:31:48,680
I think in certain instances you can. But it's the

1821
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:51,600
question becomes, can you get away with him at the three? Yes,

1822
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:53,359
can you get away with him at the three? When

1823
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:55,680
Tyress Maxie and Jared McCain are you're one and two,

1824
01:31:56,159 --> 01:31:59,760
it's more likely you could get away with Tyres Maxy VJ. Edgecomb.

1825
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:01,880
But at that point VJ. Edge Coole is your three.

1826
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:07,039
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's it's a tough situation for him,

1827
01:32:07,159 --> 01:32:10,359
Like I almost wish he landed in a different situation

1828
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:12,880
in Philly where he broke out simply because of the

1829
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:16,520
guard club that is there. Again, depending on how the

1830
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:20,199
Lakers end up acting this summer, he's also a guy

1831
01:32:20,319 --> 01:32:23,439
have sort of circle for them. I think that type

1832
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:26,000
of a player who can play both on ball off ball,

1833
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:29,199
and you know, compliment Luca in the backcourt. I think

1834
01:32:29,199 --> 01:32:31,000
that should be high on the list. I think there's

1835
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:33,760
a lot of potential there. I wouldn't be shocked if

1836
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,800
he's a guy many teams would go out next year

1837
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:39,159
if he signed the qualifying offer and went, Oh, a

1838
01:32:39,279 --> 01:32:42,880
six' five like more or less traditional shooting guard who

1839
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:44,960
can sort of play the wing here and, there who

1840
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:47,680
can shoot off the, catch but who can also initiate

1841
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:51,119
picking roll. Situations what About Jonathan?

1842
01:32:51,159 --> 01:32:53,560
Speaker 1: Kaminga does? THIS i mean, like BECAUSE i think if You're,

1843
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:56,800
kminga you can argue my upside is so much higher

1844
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:00,000
than A Josh, Giddy but it just do you think

1845
01:33:00,079 --> 01:33:01,560
this impacts that situation at?

1846
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:08,640
Speaker 2: ALL I, NO i think That Cam thomas situation Impacts

1847
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:11,319
kamina even. MORE i wouldn't be surprised that Both crimes

1848
01:33:11,319 --> 01:33:13,960
And kamenka decides to op for the qualifying.

1849
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:14,239
Speaker 4: Offer.

1850
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:16,159
Speaker 1: Wow i'm actually if we have three of the core

1851
01:33:16,279 --> 01:33:18,880
FOUR rfa signed the qualifying, offers that'd be pretty.

1852
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 4: Wild it would be pretty.

1853
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:26,640
Speaker 2: Wild BUT i, mean we're coming up on The, yeah

1854
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:30,199
we're coming up in the middle Of september and nothing has.

1855
01:33:30,279 --> 01:33:34,640
Materialized and you're absolutely, Right kuminga like, look even if

1856
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:41,119
he does have a inflated idea of who he can't,

1857
01:33:41,159 --> 01:33:43,880
be And i'm not saying he, does but that's been

1858
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,840
sort of the reporting on here and there that had

1859
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:51,800
he fancies, himself you, know a future, superstar LIKE i

1860
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:54,640
can see, it LIKE i can see a scenario where

1861
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:56,680
in he at least becomes An All, star where he

1862
01:33:56,760 --> 01:34:01,000
becomes someone who you just have, to you, know keep

1863
01:34:01,039 --> 01:34:02,760
a hand on at all times because he can be

1864
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:05,680
one of the most potent play finishers in the. League

1865
01:34:06,119 --> 01:34:08,560
So i'm not gonna sit here and say That kuminga

1866
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:11,239
doesn't have that. Upside he clearly, does AND i think

1867
01:34:11,239 --> 01:34:15,439
it's right for him to basically, Acknowledge, hey you know,

1868
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:19,479
what why SHOULD i lock myself in for even just

1869
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:22,399
two or three. Years IF i have the chance just

1870
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,159
in a year or two years to break, out THEN

1871
01:34:25,199 --> 01:34:27,600
i want to get. Paid and if it means THAT

1872
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:30,359
i can come out of this situation twelve months from,

1873
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:34,279
now enter the free, agency has an unrestricted free, agent

1874
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:37,359
choose my own, path and Then i'm off to the

1875
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:40,680
races as An All. STAR i can't blame him for having.

1876
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:42,720
Speaker 1: THAT i can't, Either but who would be Taking let's

1877
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:44,560
say all three of them end up Signing Cam thomas

1878
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:47,159
and Then rhymes And Kaminga, falasho who's taking the biggest.

1879
01:34:47,199 --> 01:34:51,319
Risk doesn't it seem like It's kaminga just because The

1880
01:34:51,319 --> 01:34:53,119
warriors have had such a quick hook with him in the.

1881
01:34:53,159 --> 01:34:55,560
Past or do you think because he's the one that

1882
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:57,880
clearly has the highest, ceiling they'll always be someone out

1883
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:00,000
there that might Be, oh the four years with The, Warriors,

1884
01:35:00,239 --> 01:35:02,560
yeah the situation was. Bad the roles in consistent will

1885
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:05,760
pay him. ANYWAY i.

1886
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 2: THINK i THINK nba teams are fundamentally. SMART i also

1887
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,279
think that if The nets are going to just Sit

1888
01:35:12,359 --> 01:35:14,720
Cam thomas for major, STRETCHES i don't think that's going

1889
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:18,279
to influence different. Teams LIKE i think so many teams

1890
01:35:18,279 --> 01:35:21,760
out there are fully aware of situations and context and

1891
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:26,640
they will just go To kumena Or thomas or whoever and, say,

1892
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:28,720
look we know that what you can. Do we're gonna

1893
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:30,920
be the team that actually unlocks, you so come join.

1894
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:34,279
US i would not be worried about that If I'm Jonathan.

1895
01:35:34,319 --> 01:35:39,079
KAMENKA i Think i'm fully aware that there are fifteen

1896
01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:43,119
twenty teams out there who could have him in a

1897
01:35:43,239 --> 01:35:44,399
very very possible if you're The.

1898
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:47,359
Speaker 1: Warriors is The giddy deal make it? MORE i don't

1899
01:35:47,359 --> 01:35:49,600
want to say, palatable but are you inclined to be, like,

1900
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:52,359
fine here's two years and fifty with the team option

1901
01:35:52,399 --> 01:35:54,520
on the, second and maybe that GETS i.

1902
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 2: Should they should have been inclined to do that, before

1903
01:35:57,079 --> 01:35:59,439
like The Josh giddy. Situation if it all shouldn't affect.

1904
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:03,079
THEM i think it's absolutely preposterous that they're so you,

1905
01:36:03,119 --> 01:36:07,199
know limited in terms of their flexibility. Here you, know

1906
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:11,560
even if you could get away with two years, fifty

1907
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:14,279
it's just not a long. Contract, like what are you worried?

1908
01:36:14,319 --> 01:36:16,560
About like the thing that we always come back to

1909
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:19,880
is the whole giving a guy four years at a

1910
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:23,439
ridiculously high, number like two, YEARS i think.

1911
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:25,920
Speaker 1: With them is probably your. Margins if you're giving him

1912
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:29,000
twenty five million dollars a, year they become super tight

1913
01:36:29,279 --> 01:36:32,920
because they're trying to sign they're trying to sign Al

1914
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:36,399
horford to a deal that's not the, minimum and so

1915
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:38,039
what do they? Have what are THEY i think they're

1916
01:36:38,039 --> 01:36:41,359
twenty five million under the first apron exactly right, Now.

1917
01:36:41,279 --> 01:36:45,319
Speaker 2: Yeah AND i get, that but like that's a situation

1918
01:36:45,399 --> 01:36:47,880
they put themselves. In so and If I'm Jonathan, Kamena

1919
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:49,359
i'm just basically SAYING i don't.

1920
01:36:49,359 --> 01:36:51,680
Speaker 1: Know i'm not saying him too that he should care about.

1921
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:54,560
It i'm just SAYING i don't. KNOW i wonder how

1922
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:57,479
much that's factoring into them just saying all, right like

1923
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,960
this is why we're not going the two year even

1924
01:37:00,079 --> 01:37:00,840
more inflated.

1925
01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:07,399
Speaker 2: Route, MAYBE i, mean, sure if that's the way they

1926
01:37:07,399 --> 01:37:11,720
think about. It but THEN i if, look if that's

1927
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:14,039
the way they think about, it and If kamenka is, Like,

1928
01:37:14,039 --> 01:37:18,079
okay we're getting no traction, here sign the goddamn qualifying,

1929
01:37:18,119 --> 01:37:22,239
offer move on ball out going to unrestricted free agency next,

1930
01:37:22,319 --> 01:37:24,039
YEAR i MEAN i think the bigger.

1931
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:25,720
Speaker 4: Risk heres For, oh for, SURE i think the.

1932
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:29,039
Speaker 1: TEAM i Think Golden state is actually the. Team when

1933
01:37:29,039 --> 01:37:31,039
you look at all the restricted free, agents had any

1934
01:37:31,079 --> 01:37:33,720
of them sign Their Golden state has the most at stake.

1935
01:37:34,399 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 4: Here, yeah, absolutely absolutely like they.

1936
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:41,600
Speaker 2: Should IF i Was Golden state in this, Situation i'd

1937
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:44,920
be shitting my pants Of comenka signing the qualifying offer

1938
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:48,920
and then just leaving outright for. Nothing So i'm flabbergasted

1939
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:51,079
at where at like how stinchy they are that they

1940
01:37:51,119 --> 01:37:54,319
haven't tried to pivot off other guys to create more you,

1941
01:37:54,359 --> 01:37:59,399
know financial flexibility or. Whatever just but, look they wanted

1942
01:37:59,399 --> 01:38:02,279
to Give jimmy that, extension the two, year forty five

1943
01:38:02,399 --> 01:38:06,560
percent max, extension all, right that came with some.

1944
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 4: CONSEQUENCES i guess what.

1945
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 1: Couldn't there be a benefit to them just going to

1946
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:12,399
plus one have the player, option and maybe he's even

1947
01:38:12,399 --> 01:38:14,079
more likely if it's a team, option because then they

1948
01:38:14,119 --> 01:38:15,760
don't have to worry about him being able to veto

1949
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:19,319
a trade. Either and at that, point how long is the?

1950
01:38:19,359 --> 01:38:22,479
Deal actually how bad Does kaminga have to be for

1951
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,560
that deal to age? Poorly because the one plus one

1952
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:28,479
creates some hurdles because they need him to forfeit his

1953
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:30,399
right to consent to a, trade and If i'm, HIM

1954
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:32,840
i don't necessarily want to do, that even though at

1955
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:35,399
the same time it's you probably do want out Of Golden.

1956
01:38:35,399 --> 01:38:38,439
State so from HIS i think you could also from his, perspective, argument,

1957
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:41,520
yeah just if this will accelerate them moving, you so

1958
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:41,960
just do.

1959
01:38:42,039 --> 01:38:47,800
Speaker 2: IT i, mean, yeah if it does, RIGHT i WOULD

1960
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:51,880
i If i'm a person who and, LOOK i can

1961
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:54,119
speak from. Experience I've i've been in a bad place

1962
01:38:54,239 --> 01:38:55,079
job wise where i.

1963
01:38:55,079 --> 01:38:57,079
Speaker 4: Just want to move on.

1964
01:38:57,159 --> 01:39:01,600
Speaker 2: Immediately but, like do you think Think kuminga would have

1965
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:07,800
any objections to signing a potential three year contract where

1966
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,359
they have the option to extend or not to, extend

1967
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:12,359
but pick up like a third year, Option because IF

1968
01:39:12,399 --> 01:39:14,600
i don't want to be, there If I'm Jonathan kaminga

1969
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:17,880
And i'm looking at a situation WHERE i might risk

1970
01:39:18,039 --> 01:39:19,600
being there for three more, years.

1971
01:39:19,319 --> 01:39:22,319
Speaker 1: Why haven't you signed your qualifying offer? Yet If I'm Jonathan, Minga.

1972
01:39:24,319 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 4: Yeah that's a good. Point that's a good.

1973
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:28,439
Speaker 1: Point SO i just what's the number that would make

1974
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:31,000
sure because it does seem like he's more concerned about

1975
01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:34,439
the team option on that second year forfeiting the right

1976
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:37,479
to consent to a, trade than it does about necessarily the.

1977
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:41,560
Length and so If i'm The, WARRIORS i might be you, know,

1978
01:39:42,319 --> 01:39:44,720
like would the middle ground Be And we've had this conversation,

1979
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:47,079
before but wouldn't the middle ground be give him the

1980
01:39:47,079 --> 01:39:50,119
player option instead of a team, option and then maybe

1981
01:39:50,119 --> 01:39:52,399
he'll forfeit the right because at that, point it's how

1982
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:54,399
bad does how bad does he have to be for

1983
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:57,079
him to be this large expiring contract that has no,

1984
01:39:57,239 --> 01:39:59,399
Value so you're almost inoculated against the worst.

1985
01:39:59,399 --> 01:40:02,279
Speaker 4: Case oh you said player, option my.

1986
01:40:02,359 --> 01:40:04,600
Speaker 1: FAULT i was even saying a two plus like a

1987
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:06,720
two minus. One so you get your, comingo you get

1988
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:09,600
two guaranteed, years but then you have that third year where, It's,

1989
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:12,039
Okay i'm at the team's, behest but at least if

1990
01:40:12,279 --> 01:40:14,800
it pans, Out i'm gonna be making. More so maybe

1991
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:16,760
if it's the player, OPTION i really don't think it

1992
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:19,960
should be much of a decision for, Him BUT i don't.

1993
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:23,359
Speaker 4: Know, no, no it's it's.

1994
01:40:23,399 --> 01:40:27,359
Speaker 2: INTERESTING i think it comes back comes back to also the, role,

1995
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:30,720
right because even if he signs for, Something let's even

1996
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:33,960
say that he signs for like three years seventy five

1997
01:40:34,319 --> 01:40:36,520
and the last year is the player, option so twenty five.

1998
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:40,479
Straight let's say he still gets strict. Around let's say

1999
01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:43,359
he still is at a point where you, know the

2000
01:40:43,399 --> 01:40:47,680
coaching staff is disinclined to play him in vital stretches or.

2001
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:51,239
Whatever is he going to run the risk of just

2002
01:40:51,319 --> 01:40:56,279
being labeled a certain type of way after coming off those,

2003
01:40:56,319 --> 01:40:59,239
like let's say he's, then because then he's potentially a

2004
01:40:59,279 --> 01:41:03,600
restrict understacret free agent after six years of. Service that's

2005
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:05,520
a lot of data all of a sudden six years

2006
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:07,880
WOULD nba seems to just be, going, all, well he

2007
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:11,399
never broke through In Golden state after six. Years but

2008
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:14,840
because there's always two side of the conversation, here there's

2009
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,319
The Jonathan kuminga, story which Is i'm not being given

2010
01:41:17,359 --> 01:41:20,840
a fair, shake and then there's the coaching staff story

2011
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:24,720
of well he's. Inconsistent but the truth usually lays somewhere

2012
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:28,640
in the. Middle SO i, OH i just want that

2013
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:32,159
relationship to end so goddamn badly from both sides because

2014
01:41:32,399 --> 01:41:34,239
they clearly don't want to be each.

2015
01:41:34,239 --> 01:41:39,279
Speaker 1: Other do you have anything to add on that before We, ASKADADLE.

2016
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:40,039
Speaker 4: I do, not.

2017
01:41:40,119 --> 01:41:42,960
Speaker 1: Sir can you just tell the audience of both your

2018
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:44,880
podcasts and my podcast where they could find you and

2019
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:46,000
all the fantastic work that you.

2020
01:41:46,039 --> 01:41:50,720
Speaker 2: Do, yes, absolutely you can find my work over At Yahoo,

2021
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:53,960
sports over At, forbes and Then i'm at THE nba

2022
01:41:54,039 --> 01:41:58,239
Podcast and if you Speak, DANISH i am also doing

2023
01:41:58,279 --> 01:41:59,439
A danish podcast.

2024
01:41:59,199 --> 01:42:02,680
Speaker 1: Called fluster and it's all About Josh. Getty until next,

2025
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:05,000
time and as, always the shoutouts to the, one the,

2026
01:42:05,079 --> 01:42:07,720
only the. Indelible can never pay him too much AND

2027
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:10,199
i would absolutely circumvent the salary cap to have him

2028
01:42:10,199 --> 01:42:13,319
on my. Team Mister, FRANK ll keep.

2029
01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:13,560
Speaker 3: Up