Speaker 1: It's seven six fifty five KCD talk station. A very
Speaker 1: abby Tuesday, made extra special because I have in studio
Speaker 1: right across from me, the legendary Peter Bronson, author of
Speaker 1: multiple just outstanding books. Also, he was the the the
Speaker 1: editor and calmness the sins An Inquiry. You got to
Speaker 1: go back quite a few years. This is when they
Speaker 1: actually did a lot of reporting on The Inquirer and
Speaker 1: under his leadership, the Inquirer was judge the best editorial
Speaker 1: page in Ohio for four years in a row. So
Speaker 1: that's a real accomplishment. Peter Bronson, It's good to have
Speaker 1: you in studio. I know you're doing an empower You
Speaker 1: summinar this Thursday to talk about your most recent book,
Speaker 1: Promised Land. How the Midwest was One. Welcome back man.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Always fun to be here with you.
Speaker 1: Brian, Oh, it's great. I just I enjoy our conversations
Speaker 1: me too. Let us again. I got to ask you
Speaker 1: before we get to the book, before we get to
Speaker 1: the seminar, empower Youamerica dot org. You can get the
Speaker 1: details registered to either you know, come show up in
Speaker 1: person or log in from the comfort of your own home.
Speaker 1: And thanks. There's always the Dan Reaganell for the entire
Speaker 1: power of concept. Oh in the lineup of classes, prestic, Yeah, fantastic,
Speaker 1: Most notably tonight, here's why I'll put a plug in
Speaker 1: real quick, the which injuries did COVID m r N
Speaker 1: A vaccines cause? And I interviewed Naomi Wolf on the
Speaker 1: program And it's going to be an outstanding seminar tonight
Speaker 1: for those folks who are concerned about COVID. You're gonna
Speaker 1: learn a lot tonight. Oh amazing eye opener. We're going
Speaker 1: to be reflecting and people will be writing about that
Speaker 1: experience in our history for a long long time.
Speaker 2: Now that we're allowed to. Yeah, we're questions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all those conspiracy theories has actually turned out to
Speaker 1: be the truth. Yes, scary anyway. But before we get
Speaker 1: to the book and get to your seminar or another,
Speaker 1: I have to ask you what your assessment of the
Speaker 1: state of journalism, particularly local journalism right now, since you're
Speaker 1: with the Inquire Back in its heyday, well, that was
Speaker 1: the go to place for all things local.
Speaker 3: You had a multitude, it was the gold standard. It was,
Speaker 3: I mean for media in this town and in this region.
Speaker 3: It was if it was in the inquiry, you could
Speaker 3: trust it. Yeah, I mean if it said the sun
Speaker 3: would rise in the west, people would changed the they
Speaker 3: pull the shades down, you know. I mean it was
Speaker 3: that good it was. We had when I got here
Speaker 3: in ninety two, we had three hundred and sixty five
Speaker 3: thousand circulation. I don't know exactly what it is today,
Speaker 3: but it's less than that very much. So I have magnitude.
Speaker 3: But you know, newspapers, when you were talking about them earlier,
Speaker 3: those are the glory days when newspapers, as they would
Speaker 3: say today, were a thing. I mean, everybody had a paper,
Speaker 3: you always. It was the hard copy paper. You read
Speaker 3: it in the morning and it got you off to
Speaker 3: your start, and then you come home in the evening
Speaker 3: and still be waiting there with great stories, a lot
Speaker 3: of context, a lot of in depth. And the really
Speaker 3: sad thing I think is that what people really don't notice,
Speaker 3: and they don't miss it because they don't notice, is
Speaker 3: that nobody's watching. We used to staff all the meetings
Speaker 3: exactly everything, city, county, state, just over the entire region,
Speaker 3: and we were there watching, and so we kept the
Speaker 3: public officials honest to a great extent.
Speaker 2: Now, look, what's happened.
Speaker 3: Since that has receded, there's just a scandal after scandal,
Speaker 3: reckless overspending and waste and abuse and fraud, and this
Speaker 3: is all at all levels.
Speaker 2: It's distressing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, journalists used to hold them accountable exactly.
Speaker 2: That was our job.
Speaker 1: And you'd investigate and dig in and and ask the
Speaker 1: hard questions and report when people didn't answer, and report
Speaker 1: the answers when they gave them. Now there's no one
Speaker 1: in the room.
Speaker 3: And you know, the other thing is that it got
Speaker 3: to be in the final years while I was still
Speaker 3: at the paper before I left in two thousand and nine,
Speaker 3: that more and more there was an agenda in the
Speaker 3: newsroom and it just got out of control until pretty
Speaker 3: soon the agenda was running the newsroom. So it would be, yeah,
Speaker 3: we're going to hold Republicans accountable. Yeah, Democrats, Nats not
Speaker 3: so much. We don't care. They're okay, they're on our side.
Speaker 3: It was a clear our side their side thing. And
Speaker 3: it became harder and harder to have opinions that were
Speaker 3: conservative or dissented from the liberal orthodoxy to be published.
Speaker 2: In the paper.
Speaker 3: And I mean it really it was crazy that people
Speaker 3: forgot what journalism.
Speaker 1: Is all about supposed to be objective reporting exactly, and
Speaker 1: then the editorial page was where you offered your politically
Speaker 1: biased comments. Yerhaps or man perhaps not, but you know,
Speaker 1: a reporter would go out into the field and just
Speaker 1: report the facts and then you would draw your own
Speaker 1: conclusions and opinions based upon what you read. Now it's
Speaker 1: all built in this direction, this this this lean and
Speaker 1: and of course, as you observe, very left leaning these days,
Speaker 1: but it reduces the credibility of the paper.
Speaker 3: Maybe if you don't have trust, what do you have nothing?
Speaker 3: That's the only thing you're selling in the media. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it is trust well, and it's a recipe for obvious disaster.
Speaker 3: As you note the number of people subscribing to it,
Speaker 3: even online subscriptions has dropped. Yes, you got to pay
Speaker 3: for it, and you know you're paying to support sort
Speaker 3: of left wing journalism and left wing op ed pieces
Speaker 3: and left bias quote unquote factory reporting. And it's just
Speaker 3: not so that's how you lose you lose readership. It's
Speaker 3: just it's again a recipe for failure. I don't understand it.
Speaker 3: The great scandals that's been uncovered in this dosee investigations
Speaker 3: is how n s A I D was paying our
Speaker 3: media to Really they're they're pouring millions of dollars into
Speaker 3: our media. I mean we're talking about New York Times.
Speaker 3: We're talking about big platforms Politico, Politico that are on
Speaker 3: the take from the government they are supposed to cover. Now,
Speaker 3: how do you do that? That's that's that's just corruption.
Speaker 3: You're in simple you don't bite the hand that feed you.
Speaker 3: So over at that left wing rag Politico Online, Politico
Speaker 3: dot com. I check it out almost every day because
Speaker 3: I want to see what their side of the of
Speaker 3: the story is. To provide me with that liberal talking point.
Speaker 2: How do you trust it? But you can't.
Speaker 3: No, And look at NPR National Public Radio. I mean
Speaker 3: seventy percent of their stories lean way left. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: what do you know, they're also on the take from
Speaker 3: our tax dollars.
Speaker 1: Well, I pint. I think the Trump administration is going
Speaker 1: to be doing something about that. PBS and NPR. I
Speaker 1: saw an article I guess this morning. I can't remember
Speaker 1: which source, but it sounded like it was legitimate because
Speaker 1: of course, the Trump administration isn't interested in funding left
Speaker 1: wing organization. So, uh, PBS and NPR, maybe your your
Speaker 1: your your time is due, and you may want to
Speaker 1: try to swim on your own rather than using the
Speaker 1: government or the federal taxpayer dollars.
Speaker 3: Well floats, they'll find enough contributions from the private sector
Speaker 3: and from their supporters who will keep it going.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I firmly believe that, because there are enough people
Speaker 1: out there that you know, get their news from them,
Speaker 1: as biased as it might be, but want them to
Speaker 1: still hang around. But that's how it's supposed to work.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I just always has beneficed.
Speaker 3: It's offensive to me and has been for I don't know,
Speaker 3: going way way back when I was writing editorials and
Speaker 3: columns about it, that we would that I would be
Speaker 3: paying my tax dollars to a government supported media to
Speaker 3: lie to me. Yeah, and and tell me the government
Speaker 3: line and the and the left wing Democratic party line
Speaker 3: of talking points.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean looking at how the changes occurred. Let's
Speaker 1: again look at the enquire for example. And I hate
Speaker 1: to be critical of them. I mean, Sharon Coolidg, you
Speaker 1: come on the program and talk about you know, city Hall.
Speaker 1: She's one of the few people that ever shows up.
Speaker 1: But they don't have all creature. There's not enough Sharon
Speaker 1: Coolg just hired by the inquire to be around everywhere
Speaker 1: like the old days when you had a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of reporters. But that's right. Do you think it was
Speaker 1: colleges that caused this shift? That the left wing ideology
Speaker 1: and incorporation of that left leaning mentality in college curriculum
Speaker 1: is what caused journalism to turn into this.
Speaker 3: And I think there was a cohort of my generation
Speaker 3: that went through the whole Watergate era. That's when you
Speaker 3: had this big bulge in journalism school enrollment and graduation,
Speaker 3: which was the one that went into the newsrooms and
Speaker 3: began to push an agenda. The older editors who had
Speaker 3: been there for a long time resisted, but they were
Speaker 3: quickly outnumbered, and the newsroom became more and more assertive
Speaker 3: of its quote unquote rights and privileges to direct news.
Speaker 3: The publishers became weaker, just like as you saw on
Speaker 3: college campuses, where the administrations became more and more spineless.
Speaker 3: The more the protests that they faced, the more they
Speaker 3: would just cave because it was taking the path of
Speaker 3: least resistance, And that happened in newsrooms to a lot
Speaker 3: great extent. I watched it happen, and that Cohort began
Speaker 3: to enforce an orthodoxy as they rose up from reporters
Speaker 3: to become editors and managing editors, and they were the bosses,
Speaker 3: and they would be the ones that would say, hey,
Speaker 3: I want you to shape the story this way, or
Speaker 3: this story is not acceptable that one is. So there
Speaker 3: you have the gatekeepers, right, and once the gatekeepers have
Speaker 3: chosen a side, you really lose credibility in the community
Speaker 3: because people know it and they can see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know, of course the fifty five Carse
Speaker 1: Morning Show tainted with a little ill libertarian bias. As
Speaker 1: you said, you can see my stack that I'm surrounded with,
Speaker 1: and I've pointed out many times over the years I've
Speaker 1: been in radio, and this is nineteenth year for me.
Speaker 1: At the end of the week, I'll have more than
Speaker 1: a full ream of stories paper sitting next to me
Speaker 1: that I never got to. Yeah, and I have to
Speaker 1: exercise some sort of editorial discretion. Shared's topic I want
Speaker 1: to go to. And some people may disappointed I didn't
Speaker 1: talk about this story or that story. But it's up
Speaker 1: to me, you know, like it was up to Walter
Speaker 1: Cronkite when you watched him. He's got a million different
Speaker 1: stories he could cover. He picked that one or this one.
Speaker 3: And it comes down to the sources you interview. Exactly
Speaker 3: who do you choose to interview. I mean, we all
Speaker 3: knew in the j profession, in the newspaper business that
Speaker 3: you could choose, pick and choose experts quote unquote experts
Speaker 3: who would tell it, would say whatever you want. You
Speaker 3: just call up and say what do you think? Do
Speaker 3: you think that this DOS thing is out of control?
Speaker 3: And they get the hint, yes, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, we used to hire experts when I was a
Speaker 1: litigation attorney, and quite often in the legal profession, the
Speaker 1: experts can find what you want them too. Fine, it's amazing, that's.
Speaker 2: What they're really expert at.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, and make a credible case for it.
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Speaker 1: Thomas with Peter Bronson and Studio. In addition to being
Speaker 1: an author, he's also a publisher Chili Dog Press dot
Speaker 1: com where you find Peter's publishing company. And if you
Speaker 1: are a budding writer and he aspired to be a writer,
Speaker 1: he's a good man to know. He's written so many
Speaker 1: wonderful books and the subject matter of his seminar this Thursday,
Speaker 1: he Empower You seminar The Promised Land How the Midwest
Speaker 1: was one that's a that's a kind of a deep
Speaker 1: dive into the region's history. You go pretty far back,
Speaker 1: including the mound builders. Yeah, the Native America thirteen thousand
Speaker 1: years ago. Yeah, really amazing. I remember as a student
Speaker 1: in K through twelve I cameraber what grade I was in,
Speaker 1: but K through sixth grade we went out and saw
Speaker 1: the mounds up in Serpent momb Serpent Mountains, Yeah, up
Speaker 1: near Chili Coffee, And that was an amazing experience.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: That's an amazing thing because really, if you're on ground level,
Speaker 3: you really can't even make.
Speaker 2: It out right, I know.
Speaker 3: So how did they know to make the snake that
Speaker 3: can really only be seen as an entire snake including
Speaker 3: ahead and tail, And you can only tell it when
Speaker 3: you're like three four hundred feet in.
Speaker 1: The air and there's no elevation that right. It's really amazing,
Speaker 1: it really is.
Speaker 3: And there are mounds like that all up and down
Speaker 3: the Ohio River right here in our community.
Speaker 1: And some of them miner standing is haven't been really
Speaker 1: discovered to be mountains.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: So there's still mounds out there that have the remains
Speaker 1: of Native Americans and trinkets and artifacts in them, but
Speaker 1: there are trees growing on top of them. Mouth they've
Speaker 1: been incorporated into the landscape. They haven't been excavated or explored.
Speaker 1: And some of them had amazing again engineering that was
Speaker 1: defied anything we understand about these cultures, because how did
Speaker 1: you make a circle that's a perfect circle that's a
Speaker 1: half mile across without any tools of surveyoring like transit
Speaker 1: or any of this stuff.
Speaker 2: So how did they do this?
Speaker 3: And they moved all that earth with baskets, Yeah, tons
Speaker 3: of earth for.
Speaker 1: No caterpillar trucks involved in the building of the mounds.
Speaker 2: Really just amazing stuff.
Speaker 1: It is them into their ingenuity and still a mystery
Speaker 1: I suppose the reason why, Yeah, everybody needs to bury
Speaker 1: their dead. But the idea of where this concept came
Speaker 1: to make these real interesting mounds is, I guess, remains unknown.
Speaker 3: Some of them are parallel what we would see in
Speaker 3: the Aztec and Inca cultures, almost pyramidal, and that some
Speaker 3: of them have a lot of burials, like even groups
Speaker 3: of young women buried at the same time, meaning human
Speaker 3: sacrifice we see evidence of in some of these mounds.
Speaker 3: They've seen evidence of cannibalism, no kid, Yeah, very dark stuff.
Speaker 3: Serpent worship, human sacrifice, cannibalism. That parallels again the Incas
Speaker 3: and the Aztecs and the Mayans. So this was a
Speaker 3: pretty dark culture. But it was also very sophisticated in trading,
Speaker 3: because you'll find minerals that can only be found in
Speaker 3: the Rocky mountains right here in Ohio. You'll find shark's
Speaker 3: teeth from the Gulf of Mexico. They that are found
Speaker 3: in Ohio.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Copper from the Northern Peninsula in Michigan right here on
Speaker 3: the Ohio River.
Speaker 2: So they suggest trading doesn't believable.
Speaker 3: Trading network, distant trading thousands of miles away, and coral
Speaker 3: and beads that you know you don't have turquoise and
Speaker 3: coral here in Ohio.
Speaker 1: Well, read all about it in Promised Land, and it's
Speaker 1: just one little tiny sliver what's contained in there. Coming up,
Speaker 1: we're going to find out about the Twin Sisters that
Speaker 1: save Texas. That's a locally related story. And you'll find
Speaker 1: in the Promised Land how the Midwest was one more.
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Speaker 1: Thomas with Peter Bronson in studio talking about his seminar,
Speaker 1: at least in part. We have multitude of topics to
Speaker 1: talk about with Peter, and I've invited him to stay
Speaker 1: after the top of the our news because brightbart inside
Speaker 1: scoop not happened today. Their PR person is out six,
Speaker 1: so we didn't get in a bite Bright part person
Speaker 1: lined up. But Peter, just a racon tour jack of
Speaker 1: all trades and master of many will have lots of
Speaker 1: subjects to talk about. Let's move over to the book
Speaker 1: Promised Land, which is the subject matter of your Your
Speaker 1: Empower Youth Seminar and Promised Land. How the Midwest was one?
Speaker 1: Tell my listeners a little bit about the twin sisters
Speaker 1: who saved Texas Cincinnati's Twin Sisters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an amazing story. I just love finding these
Speaker 3: stories and then doing the research to put flesh on
Speaker 3: the bones and find out. For example, you hear these
Speaker 3: stories and you go that can't be true, and then
Speaker 3: you start doing the research and you go, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: It is. Well, okay for budding writers out there, okay,
Speaker 1: how did you come across this? The general subject matter,
Speaker 1: it has to start at some point and you apparently
Speaker 1: heard about this or came across it somewhere and then
Speaker 1: developed it as a topic for research.
Speaker 3: So what happens a lot of times is when you're
Speaker 3: doing research, you'll just run across little like markers or cookies,
Speaker 3: let crumbs left behind from somebody else's research, or they'll
Speaker 3: just refer to something and you'll go, well, that's really interesting,
Speaker 3: and then you start diving in and pretty soon half
Speaker 3: a day later, you know you're following these threads. And
Speaker 3: this really is the golden age for research because everything
Speaker 3: is right at your fingertips on that keyboard.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 3: And if you know how to verify and support, like
Speaker 3: from three different sources or so by the time I
Speaker 3: was done, I was going I was signing up for
Speaker 3: subscriptions to some academic research sites where people publish their papers,
Speaker 3: so I'm getting all this academic research, and it was
Speaker 3: really amazing. It's just a great story. Up until even
Speaker 3: the nineteen thirties probably or forties when since when Texas
Speaker 3: celebrated their independence, they always made a point of expressing
Speaker 3: their gratitude to Cincinnati, to the city of Cincinnati for
Speaker 3: saving their independence at the Battle of San Jacinto in
Speaker 3: eighteen thirty thirty six. And if not for Cincinnati, they
Speaker 3: would have lost that battle, and that was the key
Speaker 3: turning point that won independence and defeated Santa Anna.
Speaker 1: No kidding, true, well, who are these sisters? In what
Speaker 1: connection did they have to Texas?
Speaker 3: The twin sisters was a pair of six pounder cannons.
Speaker 3: Now until when Cincinnati, when Texas was defeated at the
Speaker 3: Alamo and a terrible massacre, and it outraged the nation
Speaker 3: because Santa Anna butchered all the prisoners who were surrendered
Speaker 3: at that battle and just mutilated their bodies. It was
Speaker 3: just beyond barbaric and the nation was outraged. And Texas
Speaker 3: sent a secret agent to Cincinnati, which was the nearest
Speaker 3: big city the queen City of the West, and Texas
Speaker 3: was at that time part of Mexico. They were fighting
Speaker 3: for desperately for their independence, and they sent this secret agent.
Speaker 2: His name was Picky Ewn Smith, Great.
Speaker 3: Texas, no kidding, and he came to Cincinnati, and all
Speaker 3: the leading citizens of this city, judges, congressman, newspaper publishers,
Speaker 3: the mayor, all the elected officials gathered and they heard
Speaker 3: this guy beg them and plead for help, and they agreed.
Speaker 3: They formed a committee called the Friends of Texas Committee,
Speaker 3: and they risked their freedom and their fortunes and their
Speaker 3: everything by violating the Federal Neutrality Act to send aid
Speaker 3: to Texas. And so they smelted these two cannons, and
Speaker 3: they found us a shipping, a ship's captain who would
Speaker 3: smuggle him down to Texas. And they shipped it down there,
Speaker 3: complete with ammunition and the caissons and the carriage, all
Speaker 3: made right here in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: That is cool. I think the part about the defiance
Speaker 1: of federal law. Something there knows that this neutrality law
Speaker 1: and say, now we're going to do something right and
Speaker 1: help them out.
Speaker 3: Exactly they knew because they had bought the battle to
Speaker 3: win Ohio from the British and the Indian Confederation. They
Speaker 3: knew what it meant to be in a desperate fight
Speaker 3: for freedom and for your land and for independence in
Speaker 3: this new country. And so they were just the same generation,
Speaker 3: just one removed from their fathers who had fought the
Speaker 3: battles to win Ohio.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's like it's recent in their recollection, early
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all the same names, all these men, and they
Speaker 3: risked everything, they saved Texas. The cannons arrived, as it
Speaker 3: turned out, in the decisive battle, precisely in time to
Speaker 3: help Sam Houston put those in the middle of his
Speaker 3: line at the Battle of San Jacinto, where San Annam
Speaker 3: was not aware that he ever had cannons, because he
Speaker 3: didn't until that point. And when the Mexicans attacked and
Speaker 3: he opened up with those cannons, it completely turned the battle.
Speaker 2: That just two cannons, just two cannons, that's all it took.
Speaker 1: That's that's what's wild, along.
Speaker 2: With a lot of very brave Texas well.
Speaker 1: Of course you didn't have an army there, but just
Speaker 1: the idea that a couple of cannons can turn the
Speaker 1: tide of war.
Speaker 3: They were outnumbered and they still managed to. Not only
Speaker 3: did they defeat him, they captured him, took him prisoner,
Speaker 3: and they stripped him of his sword and his weapons,
Speaker 3: and his dagger, which was about a foot and a
Speaker 3: half long, probably in a gold scabbard be crusted with jewels,
Speaker 3: was taken from him and was gifted to the City
Speaker 3: of Cincinnati in gratitude for those cannons that's still around. No, Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: it seems to have gone missing. Okay. Curator of some
Speaker 3: museum walk office see him for a long long time,
Speaker 3: we believe, And when I asked him to track it down,
Speaker 3: they said, we have it in our catalog, but we
Speaker 3: cannot find it.
Speaker 1: So what's right there next to the arc of the
Speaker 1: Covenant in a box?
Speaker 2: Somewhere?
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Speaker 1: Peter Bronson in studio talking about a little little insight
Speaker 1: into his empower youth. Someone are coming up with this
Speaker 1: Thursday seven PM's the star time you're gonna hear from
Speaker 1: Georgia Brenhaman. Also in his Wellness or Restore Wellness dot
Speaker 1: org he's all about nutrition these days, so there's that component.
Speaker 1: And then of course Peter Bronson talking about Promised Land,
Speaker 1: how the Midwest was won, some just fantastic stories that
Speaker 1: nobody's ever heard about. I'm glad he's he did all
Speaker 1: the research to let us know about our regional history.
Speaker 1: The last time you were here right after you released
Speaker 1: the book, and I was pretty blown away by it.
Speaker 1: The description of Ohio versus Kentucky. Kentucky was what you
Speaker 1: described as a safe place to be yes by comparison,
Speaker 1: whereas Ohio, I mean you lived on the edge of
Speaker 1: danger literally every day your life because of the confrontations
Speaker 1: with the Native American trucks were in our area, and
Speaker 1: that everyone, you know, risked eminent death when they walked
Speaker 1: out the front door.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you had to stay in these little what they
Speaker 3: called stations today we'd call them stockades. A lot of
Speaker 3: those stations were barely bigger than the footprint of some
Speaker 3: of the bigger homes in Indian Hill, for example, So
Speaker 3: you'd have all these families crowded in here. In some cases,
Speaker 3: the women did not leave the walls of that stockade
Speaker 3: for eight or nine months at a time because the
Speaker 3: Indian depredations were so terrible. During one four year period,
Speaker 3: fifteen hundred these settlers were taken.
Speaker 2: By the Indians.
Speaker 3: Now you have to put that in perspective and say
Speaker 3: they probably weren't fifteen thousand people settled on the Ohio
Speaker 3: side of the.
Speaker 2: River at the time.
Speaker 1: Sizeable percentage.
Speaker 3: Yes, So your wife, your children, your husband, your brother,
Speaker 3: your daughter, your uncle, all your family could be taken,
Speaker 3: or maybe three or four of them at a time.
Speaker 3: They would be if they were too much to handle,
Speaker 3: if they were difficult, they would be tortured for days
Speaker 3: at a time for the entertainment of the tribe. They
Speaker 3: would be scalped in many cases and left to die,
Speaker 3: murdered and mutilated. Or if they decided to sell them
Speaker 3: to the British, they could get one hundred dollars for
Speaker 3: live hostages and fifty dollars for a scalp. So they
Speaker 3: would march them from Cincinnati what would then be known
Speaker 3: as the early days of Fort Washington. They'd march them
Speaker 3: from here all the way to Detroit on foot, and
Speaker 3: if they survived that, then they'd be sold to the
Speaker 3: British for.
Speaker 2: One hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: What did the British do with them.
Speaker 3: They used them as slaves, indentured servants, domestic servants working
Speaker 3: in their fields in Canada, whatever they wanted. The British
Speaker 3: were ensconced in Canada, and they were paying the Indians
Speaker 3: to do this terrorism on the settlers to keep us
Speaker 3: from expanding into Ohio, which they were there planning to
Speaker 3: take all this land for Canada. The British were trying
Speaker 3: to make sure that the settlers didn't come west.
Speaker 1: So the Native American culture tribes in our area worked
Speaker 1: with and cooperated with the British so that the British
Speaker 1: could ultimately take over Ohio. Did they do the next
Speaker 1: step in that process, which meant that the British would
Speaker 1: probably then turn against the Native Americans.
Speaker 3: Well, as it turned out, they did turn against the
Speaker 3: Native Americans at the Battle of Fallen Timbers because it
Speaker 3: took us three campaigns, military case campaigns that George Washington organized.
Speaker 3: George Washing Washington is really an unbelievable hero in so
Speaker 3: many ways, but in the history of Ohio he is
Speaker 3: a key player. He was back in those days, if
Speaker 3: you were a surveyor, you were kind of like the
Speaker 3: Indiana Jones of that day. Oh yeah, that was like
Speaker 3: the boldest, craziest, most courageous thing and adventurous thing you
Speaker 3: could do. And George Clark, yeah, And George Washington was
Speaker 3: a surveyor in the Ohio Country, so.
Speaker 2: He knew this land.
Speaker 3: He knew what it meant, how beautiful it was, clean water,
Speaker 3: great soil, timber, abundant wildlife for hunting. And he was
Speaker 3: determined to make sure this became part of the Young country.
Speaker 3: And he knew the British were paying the Indians to
Speaker 3: terrorize the settlers, so he organized these military expeditions to
Speaker 3: defeat the Indian Indian Confederation of mainly Miami and Shawnee tribes,
Speaker 3: and the first two ended in complete disaster massacre, Uh,
Speaker 3: just despair, demoralizing defeats where and one battle was the
Speaker 3: second one was called the Battle of the Thousand Slain
Speaker 3: because that's how many people were massacred by the Indians.
Speaker 3: And that all discouraged the people in Ohio so bad
Speaker 3: they almost packed it in and left.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, I'm thinking about being stuck in
Speaker 1: one of these these these forts or stations did you
Speaker 1: call them?
Speaker 2: What kind of life is that? It was horrible.
Speaker 1: It had to be.
Speaker 2: It was in the winter.
Speaker 3: You could starve, yes, because it was so difficult to
Speaker 3: get out of there and hunt, because every time you
Speaker 3: go out and hunt you might lose somebody in your
Speaker 3: party to the Indians who take, you know, take their gun,
Speaker 3: take the guy and torture him or sell them. And
Speaker 3: it was just it was terrible what these people went through.
Speaker 3: Uh should make us all very proud of the stock
Speaker 3: we come from. Yeah, these are some courageous people.
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Speaker 1: Very Happy Tuesday Extra Special. Got Peter Bronson in the
Speaker 1: studio kind of getting a little history lesson here for
Speaker 1: our region based upon his book Promised Land. How the
Speaker 1: Midwest was one subject matter of his discussion Thursday beginning
Speaker 1: at seven with George Brunheman followed by Peter Bronson for
Speaker 1: an hour. He'll have books there, signed copy of his
Speaker 1: books for sale, so if you want to get a copy,
Speaker 1: show up at a seminar. But you'll certainly enjoy the discussion.
Speaker 1: As I am this morning, just again scratching the service
Speaker 1: and the material in the book, and Peter writes a great,
Speaker 1: great book. So there's quite a few of them, ev
Speaker 1: and I will recommend each and every one of them
Speaker 1: to the listening audience. Peter, we were talking a little bit.
Speaker 1: You you mentioned on air that when these local tribes
Speaker 1: would capture the settlers. Yeah, that I think. The worst
Speaker 1: thing you said out loud was that they sometimes would
Speaker 1: scalp them but using and take them up to the
Speaker 1: British and sell them off as slaves. That wasn't bad enough,
Speaker 1: but off air you mentioned they also are rather ingenious
Speaker 1: at at torturing them.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And and the thing is it was creative brutality, cruelty,
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it. But the thing that
Speaker 3: there was brutality on both sides because as anybody can imagine,
Speaker 3: if you lose your wife, your daughter, your children to
Speaker 3: uh people who capture them and butcher them or kill
Speaker 3: them or sell them, that make you pretty in the
Speaker 3: mood for revenge. Yes, So the brutality is goes both ways.
Speaker 3: Let's not underestimate that. However, the the thing that really
Speaker 3: that I found that separated what the Indian tribes did
Speaker 3: and the white settlers did is that the Indian tribes
Speaker 3: would torture people for days at a.
Speaker 2: Time for the entertainment of their entire tribe.
Speaker 3: Everybody would get in on it, the the women, the children.
Speaker 3: They would they put somebody at a stake and burn
Speaker 3: them slowly to death and torture them constantly through the
Speaker 3: whole thing.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: It's just beyond belief. How what agony those poor people
Speaker 3: went through. And this was entertainment. Now, the settlers certainly
Speaker 3: did their share of scalping and murder and brutality and
Speaker 3: weapons and war, but they did not torture.
Speaker 1: That way and prolonged agony.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that you have to go farther back into European culture, like.
Speaker 1: You the Inquisition.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then you find the same kinds of torture going on,
Speaker 3: but not not in this country, not with the settlers.
Speaker 1: So did the native tribes cooperate together. You mentioned the
Speaker 1: two the Shawnee and the.
Speaker 3: Shawnee and the Miami, and then you had the Ottawas
Speaker 3: from Michigan. You had all kinds of tribes all over
Speaker 3: the Pottawatamie, they all of the over the Midwest. They
Speaker 3: formed a giant confederation.
Speaker 1: Because oftentimes they fought amongst themselves.
Speaker 3: Right and these confederations were hard to keep together. But
Speaker 3: the British were behind the scenes engineering all this. They're
Speaker 3: providing the knives and the muskets and the and the encouragement,
Speaker 3: the promises that if you if you can keep torturing
Speaker 3: and capturing and killing these settlers, then you're going to
Speaker 3: keep this land. Well actual, the British always planned to
Speaker 3: take the land for themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so at one point.
Speaker 3: Or another they would have turned on the Indian tribes anyway.
Speaker 1: Sounds a little bit like we were trying to do
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan on the various sheiks and local tribal leaders,
Speaker 1: getting them to you know, cooperate with us and trying
Speaker 1: to get them to cooperate with each other. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: didn't work out too well.
Speaker 3: And what's going on in Israel today with Iran using
Speaker 3: Hamas as their proxy. That's the way the British used
Speaker 3: these tribes. These tribes were already motivated to kill. This
Speaker 3: was their land. They considered Ohio as their sacred land.
Speaker 3: So it was that's why it was more dangerous than Kentucky,
Speaker 3: which was kind of an open hunting ground for all tribes.
Speaker 3: Now there are a lot of depredations in Kentucky. Don't
Speaker 3: get me wrong, it was a very dangerous.
Speaker 2: Place to be.
Speaker 3: But by by going into Ohio that was like the
Speaker 3: line you shall not cross. And when we did move
Speaker 3: into Ohio, and the funny thing about that is to
Speaker 3: get that area settled. They told the veterans of the
Speaker 3: Revolutionary War who had defeated Great Britain, we can't pay you.
Speaker 3: The Treasury's broke, but we will give you land in
Speaker 3: Ohio and good luck settling it. Yeah, be careful, build
Speaker 3: a fort. First, you fought a war.
Speaker 2: Now you're in for the battle of your lives.
Speaker 1: Let's take a break. We'll do the top of our news.
Speaker 1: We'll bring Peter Bronson back since Brake part is not
Speaker 1: on today, but we will hear from Daniel Davis for
Speaker 1: the deep dive at eight thirty Ukraine, Russia and what
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a breakdown at the Oval Office.
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Speaker 1: happy toesday Tea about on the hour Daniel Davis deep
Speaker 1: dive on the well spiraling out of control situation with
Speaker 1: Ukraine Russia and the Oval Office which is cut off
Speaker 1: funding to Ukraine. I guess most recent development couldn't see
Speaker 1: that common given the seemingly callous attitude of the President
Speaker 1: vladimirl Zelenski when he was in the Oval Office, maybe
Speaker 1: predicated by some suggestions from Democrats going on ahead of
Speaker 1: the meeting that he present a hard line and in
Speaker 1: front of Donald Trump and JD. Vance and maybe for
Speaker 1: a comment, a useful comment or thought on that. The
Speaker 1: incomparable brilliant Peter Bronson remains in the studio and we
Speaker 1: were talking about this off air, and I thought, you
Speaker 1: know what, why not just go ahead and engage in
Speaker 1: this conversation on air. Sure, sure they can't you created,
Speaker 1: I think no one believes they can win, No nobody
Speaker 1: with any credibility.
Speaker 3: No even the State Department, although they covered it up
Speaker 3: and concealed it.
Speaker 2: From us.
Speaker 3: They had way back at the beginning of this whole,
Speaker 3: this whole battle, they had a report that they did
Speaker 3: that said, quote, this situation in Ukraine is a catastrophe
Speaker 3: that can only result in a prolonged, unwinnable.
Speaker 1: War, and we are prolonging it. And the consequence of
Speaker 1: our prolonging it by fighting this proxy war by arming
Speaker 1: them is the casualty count has just gone through the roof,
Speaker 1: and ye don't have enough young people to go and
Speaker 1: fight the wars anymore.
Speaker 2: And for what for what?
Speaker 3: What is you have to really ask what is the
Speaker 3: motive of these administrations like Biden to go on telling
Speaker 3: us that this is going to be when we're going
Speaker 3: to win, that we're going to be there as long
Speaker 3: as it takes. Why what is the possible reason for
Speaker 3: us to keep pouring all this this money and treasure
Speaker 3: and weapons that are in turn being sold on the
Speaker 3: black market back to our enemies in Central America? What
Speaker 3: the heck is going on? We've been lied to so
Speaker 3: much it's it's really hard to unravel at.
Speaker 1: All it is. And then one of the fun facts
Speaker 1: you pointed out, and something that fell was not on
Speaker 1: my radar, And I know a lot of the things
Speaker 1: that are coming out with DOJE and USAID and all
Speaker 1: the ridiculous millions and billions of dollars that they threw
Speaker 1: at every stupid cause out there. You said that they
Speaker 1: were funding Ukrainian media.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, like ninety percent of Ukrainian media was taken money
Speaker 3: from USAID, which was a covert arm of our State
Speaker 3: Department under the Biden administration. Yes, CIA, if if you
Speaker 3: say you're from the State Department, you really mean you
Speaker 3: with the CIA exactly. Only the difference is the CIA
Speaker 3: has to get a presidential finding to do something really ugly,
Speaker 3: and at least the president knows USAID didn't require that.
Speaker 3: They can do whatever the CIA wants to do but
Speaker 3: can't do. And they were manipulating the news in the
Speaker 3: media in Ukraine, coming up with these really ridiculous hoax
Speaker 3: stories about the ghost ace that was downing all these
Speaker 3: Russian meigs and it turned out to be a bunch
Speaker 3: of video from a flight simulator. I mean it was,
Speaker 3: It's just crazy stuff. And this was funded by our
Speaker 3: State Department to send these lives through you can launder
Speaker 3: them through Ukrainian media and then funnel them back into
Speaker 3: our media, which just swallows the hook line and sinker
Speaker 3: because they're all on board for this unwinnable war.
Speaker 1: Well, and I guess part of me really is has
Speaker 1: been I've been asking this question out loud for a
Speaker 1: long time once and I understand the the seemingly existential
Speaker 1: threat that the Soviet Union we faced. The Soviet Union,
Speaker 1: obviously they had a lot of nuclear weapons. Obviously they
Speaker 1: had aspirations and designs to spread their communist philosophy around
Speaker 1: the World's the reason we got into Vietnam, which of
Speaker 1: course we all know how that worked out. And of
Speaker 1: course the East German countries after FDR sold them out
Speaker 1: at Yalta, they were right up against our partners in Europe.
Speaker 1: So I understand that that sort of again existential threat.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the Russians are going to roll in
Speaker 1: and take over Europe. So but with the fall of
Speaker 1: the Iron Curtain and the collapse of the Soviet Union's economy,
Speaker 1: why didn't we use that as an opportunity to open
Speaker 1: the channels and work cooperatively with them, and with them
Speaker 1: they have things that we want. We know that we
Speaker 1: have things that they want. Help curtain felt because they
Speaker 1: wanted blue jeans for God's sake.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's crazy, isn't it. You have to ask
Speaker 3: these questions, why why are we being manipulated to choose
Speaker 3: that Russia is now our major enemy when actually the
Speaker 3: enemy that we face, the real exits, existential threat to
Speaker 3: our power and freedom.
Speaker 2: Is China. Absolutely clearly, there's no doubt.
Speaker 3: And yet we keep getting this bait and switched this Uh,
Speaker 3: don't pay attention here, watch the squirrel over here, because
Speaker 3: we got something going on with Russia. And it seems
Speaker 3: to me, if I recall correctly, it was Hillary Clinton
Speaker 3: that was pushing the reset button, wanted to cozy up.
Speaker 1: That's resurfaced of late. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And and now all of a sudden, as soon
Speaker 3: as we get a Republican an office, suddenly we had
Speaker 3: to start this Russia hoax, which was to also it
Speaker 3: had a dual purpose, which is to destroy and remove
Speaker 3: a president that was the deep state didn't like and
Speaker 3: also demonized RUSSI create a new enemy.
Speaker 1: Right, so Putin becomes the bad guy, and with that
Speaker 1: I acknowledge he is not, in any way, shape or
Speaker 1: form a great guy. He has murdered people. He's a dictator, autocrat,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call him. Yeah, but we pick
Speaker 1: and choose which sins to overlook, given whichever nation we're
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, and we've been obviously trading heavily with
Speaker 1: China since the Nixon administration.
Speaker 3: Yeah, talk about killing people, putting them in prison for
Speaker 3: their religious beliefs or they're yeah, whatever reason. How about Zelenski,
Speaker 3: he's a dictator. Yeah, he's not had a free election
Speaker 3: in his country. He's suppressed the media, he's manipulated the media.
Speaker 2: He's he's had people arrested. He's he's a dictator.
Speaker 1: And he's also called off elections, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Called off elections.
Speaker 3: And the corruption over there, there's a reason Ukraine was
Speaker 3: known widely as the most corrupt country on earth for
Speaker 3: many years before any of this arose.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, just look at.
Speaker 1: That, and that did not evaporate when Russia invaded the territory.
Speaker 3: I think what we're going to find out eventually, if
Speaker 3: we ever do unpeel this onion, is that this has
Speaker 3: been a money laundering spot for powerful people in this
Speaker 3: country for many, many years. They've been able to push
Speaker 3: money through Ukraine that actually winds up.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, back in Washington, DC.
Speaker 3: In fact, something like seventy percent of it, and even
Speaker 3: it doesn't even go to Ukraine, it goes to DC lobbyists.
Speaker 3: It's just crazy how this has been used to prop
Speaker 3: up and make people fabulously wealthy and powerful, which is
Speaker 3: supposedly our money that we're spending to help Ukraine well.
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing that sort of Doughe has uncovered,
Speaker 1: moving away from just money that flowed into Ukraine in
Speaker 1: the nefarious ways and mechanisms have been used to well
Speaker 1: sort of fundline people's pockets when they issue one of
Speaker 1: these grants or one of these funding studies or one
Speaker 1: of these sesame street projects. Now here's a check. No
Speaker 1: one follows that money to see if whatever ridiculous or
Speaker 1: even arguably great cause that that work is being accomplished
Speaker 1: or done.
Speaker 3: No accountability, none, no audit to see where the money went.
Speaker 3: You got people in Ukraine running around with big bags money.
Speaker 3: We don't know where that's going, but we know it's
Speaker 3: not where we're going where we intended it to go.
Speaker 3: What is I mean this is just basically a huge
Speaker 3: money laundering scheme. You're enriching the defense contractors because they
Speaker 3: can ship all these weapons over there and then we
Speaker 3: have to make new ones, and you're enriching political people.
Speaker 3: I think we're going to find what Elon Musk said
Speaker 3: the other day that with his Doze research, he's seeing
Speaker 3: that seventy five percent of the fraud money, the abuse money,
Speaker 3: is going to Democrats. He said, twenty five percent is
Speaker 3: going to Republicans, so that they'll keep their mouth shut.
Speaker 3: But that's how bad it is.
Speaker 1: You know, in all of this and one of the
Speaker 1: other conversations we had off air, when did the Democrats
Speaker 1: become the party of war?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Isn't it strange? It's just because, I mean, the Republicans
Speaker 1: seem to be largely against this. I know the Trump
Speaker 1: administration is against this ongoing. He wants to end the conflict.
Speaker 1: He wants the Blot lives. I get all that, the
Speaker 1: motivations behind it, the futility of the process anyway, But
Speaker 1: the Democrats are now embracing war. They fought against Bush
Speaker 1: when he invaded Iraq. They fought against the Vieta for
Speaker 1: oil Vietnam. They were against Reagan and his efforts visa
Speaker 1: visa Central America, Central America.
Speaker 3: Sandinista's all of that always anti war. Remember, since she
Speaker 3: used to follow Bush around everywhere, and she was like
Speaker 3: the media darling. She was on the front pages of
Speaker 3: just about every paper in the country and on the
Speaker 3: on the news constantly protesting the blood for oil war
Speaker 3: in Iraq.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what's happened. It's like bizarre world.
Speaker 3: It really in the Superman comics, because one day the
Speaker 3: Democrats are the anti war party, and the next time
Speaker 3: you turn around they are completely sold out in support
Speaker 3: of this forever war. They're even I'm sure they spun
Speaker 3: up Zelenski before he met with Trump and told him
Speaker 3: to blow up the deal.
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people are suggesting that because he
Speaker 1: did meet with a bunch of Democrats ahead of that
Speaker 1: meeting on Friday, that kind of fell apart. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: one more with Peter Bronson before we get to Daniel
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Speaker 1: everybody are very happy too today looking forward to Dan
Speaker 1: Davis Deep Dive, although to be with much regret that
Speaker 1: he's on, even though I love talking to him and
Speaker 1: he's got a fascinating outlook and input and insight. Being
Speaker 1: a retired lieutenant colonel, I have thoroughly enjoyed my time
Speaker 1: here with Peter Bronson, author, former editor of The enquire
Speaker 1: I mean, his resume is really long, but I like
Speaker 1: to focus on the books, and again the book that
Speaker 1: he will be talking about coming up on Thursday at
Speaker 1: the Empower You Seminar. Go to empower you America dot
Speaker 1: org to get signed up. The excuse me, Peter promised
Speaker 1: land how the Midwest was one just going back to that,
Speaker 1: I wanted to just ask you about. I think another
Speaker 1: guy that you brought up last time you were here,
Speaker 1: is this character Mad Anthony Wayne.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, talk about a superhero. That guy is something.
Speaker 3: He was an amazing He got the nickname Mad Anthony
Speaker 3: because he led a charge straight up a cliff and
Speaker 3: he wouldn't even let his men load their their us gets.
Speaker 3: He said, we're just gonna use bayonets because they're they're
Speaker 3: so much more terrifying to the British. During the Revolutionary War,
Speaker 3: he led this charge at Stony Point in New York,
Speaker 3: straight up a cliff side at midnight and took the
Speaker 3: British position, cannons included, and turned the cannons on the British.
Speaker 3: And this was he was like George Washington's go to
Speaker 3: guy for the really toughest special ops like that one.
Speaker 3: And then in peacetime, the guy was just a total wreck.
Speaker 3: He was a drunk, he was cheating on his wife publicly.
Speaker 3: He was kicked out of Congress for voter fraud, he
Speaker 3: was in debt.
Speaker 2: He was just a scoundrel, a total mess.
Speaker 3: And uh wartime, huh no, he could not handle peacetime
Speaker 3: and when when Washington saw these first two expeditions against
Speaker 3: the Indian Confederation failed so miserably, he finally turned to
Speaker 3: mad Anthony and he persuaded Congress after many, many months
Speaker 3: of expending his political capital to form a standing army
Speaker 3: to help him save the Northwest Territory. And if not
Speaker 3: for that Washington doing what he did and selecting matt
Speaker 3: Anthony Wayne, because Wayne was the guy who went up
Speaker 3: through all the way through Ohio building forts to help
Speaker 3: his supply chain and make sure he could get to
Speaker 3: the Battle of Fallen Timbers with all the supplies and
Speaker 3: men and no desertions and tough and ready. And he did,
Speaker 3: and he just just totally destroyed the Indian Confederation, made
Speaker 3: them run back to a British fort. The British saw
Speaker 3: them in retreat and closed the doors of the fort
Speaker 3: after promising the Indians that they would let him in.
Speaker 3: That destroyed the alliance with the British and Mad Anthony Wayne.
Speaker 3: Then he'd be in such a I mean, he was
Speaker 3: just a tough guy. He gets on his horse then
Speaker 3: and rides right under the stockade at the British fort
Speaker 3: with all these rifles at his back, and dares them
Speaker 3: just dares them to shoot me and start another war
Speaker 3: with the colonies, and the commander yeah, and the commander
Speaker 3: the British fort sos, well, Hey, that decision is way
Speaker 3: above my paid grade.
Speaker 2: I can't do it. So guess what.
Speaker 3: Within a matter of weeks, the British had packed up
Speaker 3: and moved out of that fort and left the Northwest
Speaker 3: Territory for good. And that's when the Northwest Territory became
Speaker 3: free to settle.
Speaker 1: All about that? Now? Is this after his post revolutionary
Speaker 1: war declined? Yes, he was by becoming again a leader
Speaker 1: of a of troops and a combatant. Did that turn
Speaker 1: his life around or something?
Speaker 2: It did?
Speaker 3: Accept that he was then used as a peace emissary.
Speaker 3: And there's a really interesting subplot in this story about
Speaker 3: his number two commander who was a spy for Spain
Speaker 3: and nobody knew it at the time, and this guy
Speaker 3: was undermining Anthony Wayne and tried to kill him on
Speaker 3: this campaign. He cut a tree down and had it
Speaker 3: fall on his tent and nearly killed him and did
Speaker 3: cripple him for a while. And it's pretty clear from
Speaker 3: the evidence, and there's a lot of people that will
Speaker 3: support this that he was poisoned by this man, his
Speaker 3: second in command, right after that battle at Fallen Timbers,
Speaker 3: and that he was then died of poisoning what appears
Speaker 3: to be the symptoms of poisoning.
Speaker 1: Hold on his way.
Speaker 2: Back to Philadelphia to his home.
Speaker 1: Just scratching the surface with author and friend Peter Bronson,
Speaker 1: promised Land how the Midwest was one A strongly encourage
Speaker 1: you folks that are going to show over the empower
Speaker 1: You summonar on Thursday, get a copy of the book.
Speaker 1: He's going to have him there signed copies. But then again,
Speaker 1: I would encourage you to get any of the books
Speaker 1: he's written. Just fantastic, well written and really well researched,
Speaker 1: Our Town Forbidden Fruit, which I think you know, I
Speaker 1: don't have to play favorites, but I just those were
Speaker 1: such easy reads. I just really couldn't put him down.
Speaker 1: So it's all there. Fifty five KRC dot com is
Speaker 1: linked to the Empower You sum on our page. You
Speaker 1: can go on Amazon search for Peter Bronson, or better
Speaker 1: go to his publishing site, which is chilidogpress dot COM's
Speaker 1: You can get his books there. But also if you're
Speaker 1: a budding writer and you're interested in maybe getting something published.
Speaker 1: He is the man to talk to. Peter Bronson, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for your.
Speaker 3: Time, pleasure, thank you for your kind words, and always
Speaker 3: a pleasure to be here with you.
Speaker 1: Brian. I feel the exact same way when you're around,
Speaker 1: my friend. I'll look forward to having another conversation with you,
Speaker 1: hopefully sooner rather than later. Folks, stick around Daniel Davis
Speaker 1: Deep Dive coming up next. We'll talk about the state
Speaker 1: of Ukraine, Russia and the relations with the Oval Office
Speaker 1: which seem a bit strained. Right back after these brief words.
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