Speaker 1: And it's my understanding that this mound over in this
Speaker 1: direction is where a giant was found.
Speaker 2: A well, it was found in a big conical mound.
Speaker 2: In eighteen eighty one is when Putnam did his work,
Speaker 2: and he was cut off at the knees and his
Speaker 2: hands were cut off. So did he have six fingers
Speaker 2: and six toes. That's just seems to be the you know,
Speaker 2: the idea when people started looking at the work that
Speaker 2: was done and saying, wait a minute, there's alignments here.
Speaker 2: You know, as far as archaeology goes, a lot of
Speaker 2: the archaeologists look at those alignments and say it's happened
Speaker 2: to things, which is sad. But then they don't believe
Speaker 2: what they're trying.
Speaker 1: To feed you.
Speaker 2: You know, if they're drinking kool aid. Basically, it's not
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Look at they sucker, Sure looks like a monolith.
Speaker 3: The meat.
Speaker 1: What is going on?
Speaker 4: All my local guys and gas and long distance pals.
Speaker 1: We are back, We're back.
Speaker 3: I thought you're gonna start singing again. I've learned that.
Speaker 3: I've learned that, well that or that what was it
Speaker 3: that you were there? She goes, we at the everybody's
Speaker 3: busting up laughing again, and I thought.
Speaker 1: It was the Smashing Pumpkins.
Speaker 4: M hm.
Speaker 1: Can I just kick and tell you.
Speaker 5: The voice of an angel? I'll tell you falling the
Speaker 5: following age. Yeah, man, well man, we had an adventure.
Speaker 5: I mean, the conference itself was an adventure, was but
Speaker 5: we had a pre adventure adventure.
Speaker 3: A prehistoric adventure. How about that. Let's keep going with the.
Speaker 1: Priez fun.
Speaker 3: Truly, just piles and piles of fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But yeah, man, we got to you know, you you
Speaker 3: approached me about that a little ahead of time, said, hey,
Speaker 3: you know what, let's go go. We're going to Ohio.
Speaker 3: There's mounds all over the place, you know, the Serpent
Speaker 3: mounds there, and you had a couple of these things,
Speaker 3: and you said, you know, let's figure out how we
Speaker 3: want to do this, and uh, and let's let's go
Speaker 3: a little early to the conference and stop by, hit
Speaker 3: a couple of mounds, get some footage, let's look at
Speaker 3: some things kind of you know, see for ourselves what
Speaker 3: it's all about. Because we've heard about the mound builders
Speaker 3: for a long time. We've talked about them before. I
Speaker 3: think it's a fascinating subject.
Speaker 4: Yeah, seen lots of documentaries and film, but it never
Speaker 4: been myself.
Speaker 3: Well, and I'll be honest, after watching Justin film, I
Speaker 3: don't think any of those documentaries did it justice. So
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I'm patting you on the back there
Speaker 3: because it was. It was pretty awesome. It's pretty amazing
Speaker 3: to be there. That drone footage Justin got was unreal.
Speaker 3: Just some of the stuff that we put together, it was.
Speaker 3: It was just awesome. But first we left a little
Speaker 3: early to go to the conference. We got up into
Speaker 3: that area in Ohio like middle of the night on Thursday.
Speaker 3: It was like midnight, yeah, somewhere around there, slept a
Speaker 3: little bit, then got up and ran to Miamisburg, right yeah.
Speaker 3: And that mound was pretty spectacular. I mean it was.
Speaker 3: It was. It huge, had a big stone staircase going up.
Speaker 3: It's in the middle of just an industrial park. There's
Speaker 3: a golf course over on one side, and there's just
Speaker 3: this gigantic mound to dirt, you know, and you sit
Speaker 3: there and think about it. If you don't know anything
Speaker 3: about this, you would just think, oh, somebody dug out
Speaker 3: a pond and left it there or something. It just
Speaker 3: you you wouldn't even think twice about it. You'd walk
Speaker 3: right by it. But when you know what those were,
Speaker 3: how long ago that was probably you know, constructed, and
Speaker 3: the significance of it that changes the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like you had said, it was just.
Speaker 4: And when I'd done the research for this too, I
Speaker 4: had Fritz Zimerman's book, The Traveler's Guide, which I was
Speaker 4: lucky I had Fritz on the show, and I reached
Speaker 4: out to him.
Speaker 1: I was like, Hey, I want to get.
Speaker 4: All your books. Can I just get them from you,
Speaker 4: you know, and you sign them for me. So I
Speaker 4: got all three of his books on the giants and
Speaker 4: the mounds, and he had signed them for me. And
Speaker 4: I had had that idea. I'm like, man, we're gonna
Speaker 4: be in Ohio. There's tons and tons of mounds there.
Speaker 4: I got, you know, this new camera and gimble and drones.
Speaker 4: I want to check this stuff out and record. And
Speaker 4: I had heard about mounds. I had seen some documentaries
Speaker 4: from La Marzouli and Fritz, but never been to one
Speaker 4: myself for actually like dug into them, you know. And
Speaker 4: when I started going through that field guide, a lot
Speaker 4: of these just look like little heels or little bumps
Speaker 4: stuff that we see in East Tennessee every day, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, when I when I hear mound, I'm
Speaker 4: thinking of like a you know, great pyramid of dirt.
Speaker 4: But most of them are not like that. But this
Speaker 4: one was. This one was huge and the two that
Speaker 4: we actually seen, and it was awesome the way it
Speaker 4: worked out, because if we only had time to see too,
Speaker 4: these would be the two that we wanted to see
Speaker 4: because they were the two largest mounds in Ohio and
Speaker 4: both of them were within half an hour of the conference.
Speaker 4: So that was amazing how that worked out.
Speaker 3: Perfect reason. We look into these almost more than anything else.
Speaker 3: The Giants who ruled America.
Speaker 1: You pull it back a little.
Speaker 3: Up, Sorry, the ancient giants who ruled America, it says.
Speaker 3: The Missing Skeletons and the Great Smithsonian cover Up by
Speaker 3: Richard Dewhurst. This book is a phenomenal book, and we're
Speaker 3: going to go through a little bit of this here.
Speaker 3: In a little bit. I have just some snippets, and
Speaker 3: they have a lot of old news clippings and things
Speaker 3: from starting in the eighteen hundreds and coming through into
Speaker 3: the nineteen hundreds of different minds that were dug up
Speaker 3: and what they found.
Speaker 1: Which the first thing I guess is impressions.
Speaker 4: You know we talked about when we pulled up on
Speaker 4: the Miamisburg Mound, it was just like, you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: this huge thing that's like the size of the freaking
Speaker 4: Pyramids of Giza in the middle of an industrial park.
Speaker 4: It sticks out like a sore thumb. But thenan mound
Speaker 4: is only thirty four miles away from the Miamisburg Mound.
Speaker 4: It's right there in Vicinity, and it's very similar in size.
Speaker 4: This is the second largest canonical mound in Ohio, second
Speaker 4: to only the Miamisburg one, So when you pull up
Speaker 4: on this one, it's very similar in size. But the
Speaker 4: number one thing that stuck out to me was is
Speaker 4: you have this basically this suburb or this subdivision, and
Speaker 4: there's houses all around this thing. This thing is like
Speaker 4: the centerpiece on your grandma's kitchen table. And you have
Speaker 4: this roundabout that drives completely around this mound, and they
Speaker 4: got it fenced off. Of course, it's not like a
Speaker 4: prison fence. It's the old school post with the two
Speaker 4: pieces of log like old school looking just to deter
Speaker 4: people from getting on it. But you could easily jump
Speaker 4: the thing if you wanted to, but that just stood
Speaker 4: out to me. I was like, this is kind of cool,
Speaker 4: but at the same time, it's kind of creepy too,
Speaker 4: because this is a burial mound, So you're sitting on
Speaker 4: your front porch, you know, smoking a cigar, sipping on
Speaker 4: some brandy, staring at potentially a pile of potential giant corpses.
Speaker 3: To me, it just it sparks such a curiosity. But
Speaker 3: you brought this up when we were there, we were
Speaker 3: talking to a gentleman on top of the Miami's Burg Mound.
Speaker 3: And then I think you brought it up when we
Speaker 3: were just talking or recording too as well. But that
Speaker 3: when Lincoln was at Niagara Falls, and I actually took
Speaker 3: a clip of that speech and I'm just going to
Speaker 3: read that real quick. Eve's all right with you. But
Speaker 3: it says, and this is so President Lincoln eighteen forty
Speaker 3: eight campaigning for president, and on the way home to Illinois,
Speaker 3: he visited Niagara Falls and found the site so impressive
Speaker 3: that he started writing about it. And this is what
Speaker 3: it says. It calls up the infinite past, when Columbus
Speaker 3: first sought this continent, when Christ suffered on the cross,
Speaker 3: when Moses led Israel through the Red Sea. Nay, even
Speaker 3: when Adam first came to the land of his maker. Now,
Speaker 3: as then as now, Niagara was roaring here. The eyes
Speaker 3: of that species of extinct giants whose bones fill the
Speaker 3: mounds of America have gazed on Niagara, as ours do now,
Speaker 3: contemporary with the whole race of men, and older than
Speaker 3: the first man. Niagara is strong and fresh today as
Speaker 3: ten thousand years ago. The mammoth and mastodon, now so
Speaker 3: long dead that fragments of their monstrous bones alone testify
Speaker 3: that they ever lived, have gazed on Niagara. But that
Speaker 3: part where it says the eyes of that species of
Speaker 3: extinct giants whose bones fill the mounds of America, Now,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of speculation when we talk about mounds
Speaker 3: and how many there were. There's reports that there was
Speaker 3: at least a million million mounds in America back in
Speaker 3: the eighteen hundreds, but a lot of people say there's
Speaker 3: probably closer to one hundred thousand now in the country.
Speaker 3: But you got to remember, and we talked a little
Speaker 3: bit about this before, that some of those mounds literally
Speaker 3: might be six feet tall and they're just a bump,
Speaker 3: and they're people wouldn't even think the fact that somebody
Speaker 3: built that three thousand years ago or something of that nature.
Speaker 3: People would even think that it's just a bump. So
Speaker 3: a lot of these probably get overlooked. You're good.
Speaker 4: I was just going to say that they got these
Speaker 4: names because that's the land that they were found on.
Speaker 4: These were farmers and that was their last names, so
Speaker 4: they named them, you know, after the farmers.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Captain mc Hopewell of Ross County had more than thirty
Speaker 3: mounds within one hundred and ten acre enclosure on his property,
Speaker 3: hence the hope Well and the Adena name came from
Speaker 3: the estate of Thomas Worthington, who was the governor of
Speaker 3: Ile from eighteen fourteen to eighteen eighteen. His estate name
Speaker 3: was Adina, and that's where these names for these these
Speaker 3: peoples come from. So we don't even have the true
Speaker 3: you know, what they would even have called themselves. We
Speaker 3: don't have that that trickle down effect. But pretty pretty
Speaker 3: cool to see that, you know, there's there's some ancient
Speaker 3: history there. Now I'm gonna take us to there's there
Speaker 3: was a thing in Iowa that was found back in
Speaker 3: the eighteen hundreds called the Davenport stella. Have you heard
Speaker 3: of this? The Davenport Stella was really really cool for
Speaker 3: one well, for multiple reasons. But first of all, there
Speaker 3: wasn't supposed to be written language at that time.
Speaker 4: So there's the one in that ancient the ones that
Speaker 4: the giants who ruled ancient America.
Speaker 3: It may have been I'm trying to remember which book
Speaker 3: that was in. I have all this and I'm trying
Speaker 3: to find the exact phrasing from what it had they.
Speaker 4: Read that book. I got it my collection. That sounds
Speaker 4: for me here, I just can't place it.
Speaker 3: It might have been there, but I think it was
Speaker 3: in multiple books that I had, because that was a
Speaker 3: pretty big one. But that has now I'm trying to, oh, here,
Speaker 3: it is the Davenport They called the Davenport Calendar Stella.
Speaker 3: It was found in a burial mound in Iowa in
Speaker 3: eighteen seventy four, and it was written on It was
Speaker 3: written three different languages, which is really interesting, Egyptian, Iberian, Punic,
Speaker 3: and Libyan. So we have something that was prior to
Speaker 3: when written language was supposed to be here, written in
Speaker 3: multiple different languages. And then you have Egyptian on there.
Speaker 3: And this isn't the only Egyptian artifact that they found here.
Speaker 3: You know, there's stock about that. In the Grand Canyon,
Speaker 3: they found Egyptian artifacts. Ors talk of that. In other
Speaker 3: you know, Phoenician artifact, things of this nature that we
Speaker 3: see from cultures that definitely came here pre Columbus. But
Speaker 3: a really interesting site.
Speaker 4: Verry Fail guy you just showed his book trying to
Speaker 4: think of the name of America's Stonehenge. He found a
Speaker 4: stone there called the Bailstone that was written in Phoenician
Speaker 4: and it said to we the Canaanotes dedicate this site
Speaker 4: to Bale of the Phoenicians. And Barry Fail from Harvard
Speaker 4: he was the one that transcribed that.
Speaker 3: And I think that's the one that's only forty miles
Speaker 3: south of Plymouth Rock, if I'm correct, that's the one
Speaker 3: that they found literally like they almost landed exactly where
Speaker 3: the Pilgrims did, way before the Pilgrims, which is just
Speaker 3: another thing that you know, and all these things get
Speaker 3: passed off as a hoax. One other interesting thing that
Speaker 3: I thought was just to show another tidbit of the
Speaker 3: fact that some of these people were here before. But
Speaker 3: Barry Fell says that the micmac and Algonquin tribes. Right,
Speaker 3: we have the mcmac and Algonquin. They're more northern into Canada,
Speaker 3: northern you know, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota into Canada like through
Speaker 3: that range over.
Speaker 1: To New York.
Speaker 3: They have a limited but recognizable Egyptian vocabulary, it says,
Speaker 3: which was not part of their native Algonquin language, but
Speaker 3: shows that they had contact with the Egyptian people.
Speaker 4: Their online source said two thousand, one hundred and thirty
Speaker 4: three truckloads of dirt in the Anon Man and that
Speaker 4: comes out to the equivalent if someone on average could
Speaker 4: carry forty pounds of soil at a time on that average,
Speaker 4: this would be over one million human trips. And so,
Speaker 4: I mean, just wrap your head around that. But these
Speaker 4: you know, ancient people who were you know, no modern technology.
Speaker 4: They were chipping away with deer antlers, digging up soil
Speaker 4: and using deer skin or whatever to wrap this, you know,
Speaker 4: soil up with and carry and stack and pack in
Speaker 4: with their feet.
Speaker 1: Over one million.
Speaker 4: Trips to build then mound. And to me that was
Speaker 4: just baffling to think about.
Speaker 1: But it was.
Speaker 4: Five hundred and seventy four feet in circumference with a
Speaker 4: height of forty five to fifty feet is what that
Speaker 4: source said. But the first recorded digging of the site,
Speaker 4: there was this quote in the book that says, we
Speaker 4: found top soil all the way for thirty feet when
Speaker 4: we came to a cave of curious construction.
Speaker 1: It was in the.
Speaker 4: Shape of a bake oven, high enough from a man
Speaker 4: to stand upright in the center, and it tapered down
Speaker 4: on all sides. On one side was a door that
Speaker 4: at one time was the entrance from the ground level
Speaker 4: into the cave. In the center was a pile of
Speaker 4: dirt and a large stone resembling an altar, and on
Speaker 4: it were bones.
Speaker 1: That said that.
Speaker 4: The bones were so riddled that they wouldn't be able
Speaker 4: to stand moving them, so that the men carved their
Speaker 4: names and the date in the stone and then reburied
Speaker 4: the cave. And this was dated from eighteen seventy to
Speaker 4: eighteen eighty in Beer's History of Clark County. And then
Speaker 4: it says the nineteen hundreds of the mound was the
Speaker 4: center of a large dirt horse racing track, and that
Speaker 4: this was an eighty four acre farm and it was
Speaker 4: bought in nineteen fifty two and developed into Indian Mound
Speaker 4: estates and that the man was preserved and given to
Speaker 4: the village of Nan.
Speaker 3: That Davenport Stella right, that had that information on it.
Speaker 3: But what that was actually transcribed or translated? The information
Speaker 3: indicates that a ray of light falls on a specific
Speaker 3: tone or a specific stone on the spring equinox. And
Speaker 3: what was that stone called the Watcher? I thought that
Speaker 3: was pretty interesting. Are we focusing back on who we're worshiping?
Speaker 3: Are we focusing back on a pre flood event like
Speaker 3: you were just talking about? And I think that that
Speaker 3: is an interesting an interesting correlation just and it could
Speaker 3: be a straight coincidence. But the fact that we hear
Speaker 3: the Watcher and we're talking about Semitic writings being found
Speaker 3: on here that someone who was Semitic could have read that.
Speaker 3: Is this a precursor? Is this or not a precursor?
Speaker 3: But is this something you know a pre even book
Speaker 3: of Enoch where they were told through the oral traditions
Speaker 3: about the watchers? Were they venerating the watchers?
Speaker 1: New Ark? That?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: That that circle and square mound? Uh? What do they
Speaker 1: call that?
Speaker 3: I was I read all on that today, but the
Speaker 3: were talking about.
Speaker 4: But uh, Fritz just recently discovered that the open gate
Speaker 4: that goes into that lines up perfect with the sunrise
Speaker 4: on uh shoot was the name of that festival, Oh,
Speaker 4: on bell Tine, Mm hmm, this is you know, there
Speaker 4: were sun worshipers and on bell Taine, which was a
Speaker 4: Phoenician holiday worshiping their Phoenician god Bail, who they find
Speaker 4: the Baill stone in America Stone Hinge lines up perfectly
Speaker 4: on bell Tane.
Speaker 1: So that shows you that.
Speaker 4: In the very least had a very heavy Phoenician background
Speaker 4: or influence. Whoever built that mound.
Speaker 3: That's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: That's may first I think, is that right Bell Taine?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. Now, piggybacking off what you just said,
Speaker 3: one more little rabbit trail. More cool little thing is
Speaker 3: Frank Joseph was an utter chief of that same ancient
Speaker 3: American magazine from nineteen eighty three to two thousand and seven.
Speaker 3: Kahokia Monks Mound, Right, Monks Mound, per this per Frank
Speaker 3: Joseph had the same base as the Great Pyramid, and
Speaker 3: it was aligned to the same cardinal points. The that's
Speaker 3: hard to if you, I mean, you may not. I
Speaker 3: mean it's hard to say you didn't have influence with
Speaker 3: the Egyptians. It's hard to say you didn't have at
Speaker 3: least a connection with whoever showed the Egyptians these things,
Speaker 3: the same cosmology, the same knowledge, for lack of a
Speaker 3: better word, maybe some forbidden knowledge from you know.
Speaker 1: The Star people as they call them.
Speaker 3: The Star people as they call it, or as this
Speaker 3: stone was called, the Watcher. Just an interesting connection that
Speaker 3: I think we make. And we can see that correlation
Speaker 3: between the biblical and even the non canonical when we
Speaker 3: talk about eno can bring that stuff in that you
Speaker 3: can see that the answers are there. But I just
Speaker 3: think that that's a very interesting thing that I had
Speaker 3: never seen before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, even that the goods, I mean, why else do
Speaker 4: you find corn in Egypt? Why do you find cocaine
Speaker 4: in Pharaoh's burial teams? These are things found in South
Speaker 4: America originally that migrated north into North America. Why else
Speaker 4: will we finding, you know, ninety eight point five percent
Speaker 4: pure copper that is only found in Michigan, in Europe,
Speaker 4: in the Levant, in the Middle East. Because all these
Speaker 4: things were going back and forth in the ancient world.
Speaker 4: And I even heard an author speak one time connecting
Speaker 4: with the Bible is Solomon during the feast of Tabernacle,
Speaker 4: he would accept tribute from all the different countries of
Speaker 4: the world. And it talks about this far off land
Speaker 4: of four or o far and I've heard this author
Speaker 4: I can't remember who it was now, but I've heard
Speaker 4: people talk about it and stuff on YouTube, and they
Speaker 4: theorize that that could have very well been North America.
Speaker 1: Oh far.
Speaker 3: It's the connections are there, and we obviously know that,
Speaker 3: and that's the hard part, and that's why they try
Speaker 3: to stick to that pre Columbian narrative saying that there's
Speaker 3: nothing there, because they say that no one could have
Speaker 3: had there was no ships prior to that, there was
Speaker 3: no boats prior to that, which they've found, you know,
Speaker 3: Egyptian they found these some Egyptian ships. They found some
Speaker 3: things like this that were obviously prior to prior to Columbus.
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