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Speaker 1: Have you ever just looked up at the night sky

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and asked yourself, really asked, where do we actually come from?

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We're so used to that standard history textbook story, you know,

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humanity of all. Slowly we figured out fire, then the wheel,

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and then brick by brick, we finally cracked the secrets

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of the cosmos.

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Speaker 2: But what if that whole linear timeline is well fundamentally wrong.

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Speaker 1: Exactly?

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Speaker 2: What if the most profound advancements in antiquity, the things

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that just shouldn't have been possible, like the math, the architecture,

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the deepest understanding of time itself, what if they didn't

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really originate with us? What if they were gifts, cosmic gifts.

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Speaker 1: Precisely, that's the exact thought, the only lens we need

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for this edition of Thrilling Threads. Today, we are just

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diving headfirst into a collection of sources, ancient texts, indigenous myths,

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incredible architectural markers that they really demand we reevaluate everything

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we think we know about human history right.

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Speaker 2: Because these sources all point to a similar idea that

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cosmic benefactors or star visitors had a profound influence on everything.

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We're talking. Mayan calendars specific prophecies in the Bible, and

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even these bizarre effigy mounds you see across North America.

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Speaker 1: So our mission today is really to give you a

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quick but solid grasp of this recurring theme, this idea

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of extraterrestrial contact that seems to be woven through the

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myths and ruins of all these different civilizations.

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Speaker 2: And they're separated by vast oceans. We're jumping from Central

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America to the American Southwest, all the way to the

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plains of Israel.

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Speaker 1: It's a massive scope. We're looking at indigenous traditions that

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talk about unions with star beings, We're looking at these

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enormous earthworks that seem designed to be seen only from

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the sky.

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Speaker 2: And we're even digging into religious texts that when you

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look at them through this specific lens, they start to

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look less like spiritual visions and more like, well like

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eyewitness accounts of galactic warfare.

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Speaker 1: I just find that common thread so compelling. You have

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to wonder, right, is this all just a shared human

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archetype baked into our collective unconscious or is it evidence

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of a shared external teacher who visited every corner of

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the globe.

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Speaker 2: And what's fascinating here. What really stands out from all

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this material is how these stories suggest that knowledge, not gold,

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not land, but knowledge was the original currency of the universe.

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Speaker 1: That's a powerful idea.

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Speaker 2: If a truly advanced civilization were to visit us, the

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most valuable thing they could possibly give would be the

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tools to master our own world and maybe even time itself.

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Speaker 1: So let's start there with the people who mastered time,

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the Maya.

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Speaker 2: The Maya.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's really impact this because the Maya present a

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kind of paradox. We know them as one of the

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ancient world's most brilliant civilizations. We're talking about their classic period,

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flourishing roughly between two fifty and nine hundred a d.

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Speaker 2: And this wasn't a small, isolated group. We're talking about

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a massive, complex, highly organized society. The population estimates are

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just staggered.

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Speaker 1: How many are we talking.

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Speaker 2: Conservatively fifteen to twenty million people, and their influence stretched

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from Mexico all the way south into modern day Honduras

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and Guatemala.

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Speaker 1: That's huge. Yeah, when you look at their intellectual achievements,

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especially considering their isolation, it's just astonishing.

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Speaker 2: It really is. They developed a fully functional written language,

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incredibly sophisticated architecture, you know, multi story buildings, celestial observatory.

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Speaker 1: The math. We have to talk about their mathematics. Ye,

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they invented the concept of zero.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the concept of zero, which is I mean, it's

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fundamental to modern calculus, to computing everything, and they were

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using its centuries before it was fully embraced in Europe.

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Speaker 1: And that's where the contrast becomes so stark. You don't

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want to judge different cultures, but you have to look

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at the timeline. While the Maya are solving complex trigonometric

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and astronomical problems, Europe was well the source material colorfully

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says they were rolling around in the mud.

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Speaker 2: It's an oversimplification, of course, but the point is about

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the technological level. The Maya had this entire system of

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hype advanced astronomy and engineering that seems to have appeared

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without that long, slow crawl of invention we see elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: It really begs the question, doesn't it. How did an

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isolated civilization without a clear line of influence from say,

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Egypt or Mesopotamia suddenly make this enormous.

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Speaker 2: Leap, And that leads you directly to their own stories

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about where all this knowledge came from.

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Speaker 1: According to the Maya themselves, this wasn't something their own

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kings or priests figured out through centuries of trial and error.

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Speaker 2: Not at all. They state very explicitly that it was

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a gift, a gift from their gods, and crucially, these

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gods existed in the stars.

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Speaker 1: That's the key point. Why would a civilization capable of

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such genuine world changing genius actively deny credit for it?

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Speaker 2: Exactly? I mean, if they'd worked for it, you'd think

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their priests and scholars would be legendary figures, intellectual titans.

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But instead they credit these external, non human entities. It's

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almost as if the knowledge was so complete, so perfect

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when it arrived, that it felt like it was handed

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down whole.

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Speaker 1: It's a foundational belief for them. It puts their entire

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culture into a cosmic context from the very beginning.

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Speaker 2: Which is why time itself wasn't just a practical tool

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for planting crops. For the Maya, keeping up with time

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was considered magic and power.

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Speaker 1: They were master time keepers.

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, celestial masters. They tracked the intricate phases of

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the moon, the precise timing of solar and lunar eclipses,

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and famously that really complex five hundred and eighty four

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day cycle of the planet Venus.

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Speaker 1: And they built this knowledge right into their architecture they did.

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Speaker 2: But their true achievement, the one that still just baffles

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modern astronomers, is their understanding of the procession cycle.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that sounds really complex. Break that down for us.

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What is the procession cycle?

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Speaker 2: Right? So, think of the Earth spinning on its axis

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like a top. But as it spins, it also has

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this very very slow wobble, a wobble, and this wobble

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it's called procession, and it's so slow that over deep,

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deep time, it changes our view of the heavens.

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Speaker 1: Are we talking here? Okay?

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Speaker 2: So imagine watching a specific constellation like the Pleiades, rising

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on a certain day of the year. Because of this wobble,

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the point where it rises shifts just a tiny bit,

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I tell you bit, it shifts one calendar day earlier.

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But for that one day shift to happen, it takes

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seventy two years.

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Speaker 1: Seventy two years for a one day.

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Speaker 2: Shift, seventy two years of continuous, precise, documented observation just

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to notice a twenty four hour difference. And that requires

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not just patients but a multi generational commitment to a single,

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unbelievably complex scientific project.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So to complete a full cycle exactly if you track

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that shift all the way around, that Kleide's rising point

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won't return to its original position for a staggering twenty

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six thousand years.

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Speaker 1: Twenty six thousand years.

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Speaker 2: And the Maya knew this. They understood time moved in

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these enormous repeating cycles, and they designed their famous long

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Count calendar to align perfectly with that grand twenty six

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thousand year period.

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Speaker 1: And what's even more incredible is that their knowledge wasn't

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just limited to our solar system. It went deeper, so

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much deeper.

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Speaker 2: They knew about and tracked the very center of our

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Milky Way galaxy, a place they called the Great.

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Speaker 1: Rift, which is astounding considering they had no telescopes. The

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galactic center is obscured by gas and dust clouds. It's

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hard to see even today.

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Speaker 2: Yet they knew exactly where it was, and they understood

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it contained a massive black hole, maybe a light year cross.

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And they gave this dark void a profound, almost spiritual meaning.

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Speaker 1: They called it the birth canal of the universe.

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Speaker 2: Believing that all creation, all of these grand cycles emerged

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from this dark energetic center. And this brings us to

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that famous date, December twenty first, twenty.

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Speaker 1: Twelve, the end of the Long Count calendar.

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Speaker 2: Right, And that date wasn't arbitrary, it wasn't some doomsday prediction.

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It was significant because it marked a perfect precise twenty

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six thousand year alignment of the Earth, the Sun, and

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this great rift the center of the galaxy.

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Speaker 1: So just a pause on that for a second. Couldn't

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attributing all this to gods and the stars just be

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a metaphor, a way for them to explain a scientific

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mystery they couldn't fully articulate.

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Speaker 2: And that's the core tension right between traditional archaeology and

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this alternative theory. Traditionalists would argue for metaphor, but the

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AAT argument points to the hyper precision for a calendar

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system to be engineered to culminate precisely on the day

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of a rare twenty six thousand year celestial event.

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Speaker 1: It suggests they were working with a pre existing formula.

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Speaker 2: It suggests they had an astronomical blueprint handed down by

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the very entities they credited, the visitors from the stars.

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So the question for you to think about is could

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that perfect synchronization marking the end of this vast, meticulously

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tracked cycle really be a mere coincidence.

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Speaker 1: It feels less like a coincidence and more like the

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precise closing of a cosmic clock.

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Speaker 2: And this powerful theme, this idea of advanced cosmic knowledge

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being imparted from gods and the stars, it isn't just

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in meso America. If you pivot to North Americas, especially

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the American Southwest, you find that almost every major indigenous

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culture shares the same core belief.

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Speaker 1: That's a staggering level of consistency. I mean, we're talking

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about hundreds of recognized tribes today, and groups like the Navajo,

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the Hopie, the Zuni. They all had these detailed oral

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histories of other worldly beings or star beings, and.

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Speaker 2: They all say the same thing, These beings descended from

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the sky specifically to teach humankind.

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Speaker 1: And as stories get really specific, almost intimate, focusing on

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this phenomenon of star children, tales of a union between

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a star being and a human woman.

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Speaker 2: The accounts are often so specific they're haunting. The stories

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say these children were born and then raised by the

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human tribes, completely integrated into the community, but only for

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a time until they reached a certain age, exactly until

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they were about six years old, and at that point

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the star beings would return to retrieve the children. Can

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you imagine? It leaves the entire tribe just gazing up

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at the night sky. It really understand was this idea

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that these children were placed here with a specific mission,

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a purpose that only the star beings truly understood.

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Speaker 1: But not all of them were taken back, right, there

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was another path, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Some of the star children were intentionally left behind, and

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they became permanently woven into the fabric of the tribe.

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And these individuals were often seen as elders even at

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a young.

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Speaker 1: Age, because they carried essential.

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Speaker 2: Knowledge, yes, knowledge that was far beyond their years. Their

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primary purpose was to heal the earth, to bring everything

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back into balance. They were, in essence, designated knowledge carriers.

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Speaker 1: And this prophetic role is probably most clearly defined in

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the traditions of the Hope be people in Arizona. They

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believe the earth is fundamentally out of balance.

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Speaker 2: They have a term for it, Koyani scatzi. It means

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a life of corruption, of turmoil, of spiritual imbalance, and

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the primary function of these star kids who are left behind,

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is to address this.

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Speaker 1: So their mission is huge. It's not just about survival,

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it's about reforming the entire earth, remaking human society. Right.

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Speaker 2: They are the internal guides, counseling the human elders on

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how to restore that balance. They're preparing the world for

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what's next.

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Speaker 1: And that preparation leads directly to the climax of the

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Hopi prophecy, the arrival of the Blue Star.

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Speaker 2: The blue star and the Kachina, the star being who

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arrives with it. This is considered one of the most

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critical prophecies in all of Native American tradition.

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Speaker 1: So what is the blue Star supposed to be a

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comet a supernova?

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Speaker 2: Well, the prophecy itself is visceral and it sounds almost technological.

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It says that when the blue Star comes, this dwelling

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place in the sky will.

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Speaker 1: Crash to the earth, a dwelling place in the sky,

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not just a star exactly.

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Speaker 2: And after this crash the Blue Star Kachina, the being

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that comes from this dwelling, will take off his mask

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in the village plaza, and that single act marks the

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end of what they call.

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Speaker 1: The fourth world, the end of our current age right.

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Speaker 2: And the beginning of the next. And this is where

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the ancient astronaut theorists really focus their attention. Why call

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it a house in the sky or a dwelling in

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the firmament? If it were just a natural celestial body,

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you'd think the language would reflect that.

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Speaker 1: So they see this as a literal prophecy of an

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extraterrestrial craft.

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Speaker 2: A large vessel may be disguised as a celestial event

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that has a fiery descent, a crash, and then the

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arrival of an intelligent being.

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Speaker 1: And the removal of the mask. That sounds like the

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ultimate reveal.

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Speaker 2: It does, doesn't it. It implies an instantaneous, undeniable disclosure.

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The day that craft lands or crashes, it changes human

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history forever because the truth of our origins, the truth

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of these star beings, will be revealed to everyone at once.

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It's a grand prophecy of contact.

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Speaker 1: This theme of star beings in cosmic conflict is just

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it's so pervasive, and it leads us to a completely

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different continent, but one with a surprisingly similar story of

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divine descent and a catastrophic final battle. I'm talking about

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the biblical planes of Israel.

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Speaker 2: And specifically the prophetic book of Revelation. The setting is

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a place called Megido, which is only about eleven miles

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from Nazareth, and Revelation describes this ultimate final battle fought

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just outside the city.

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Speaker 1: Which gives us the famous term armageddon.

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Speaker 2: Exactly Now, the traditional interpretation of Revelation is frankly terrifying.

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It's literal fire and brimstone, cataclysms, earthquakes, angels and demons

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battling in the heavens. It's the ultimate showdown between good

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and evil.

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Speaker 1: It's what's known as apocalyptic literature, right, visions of the

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end times, usually involving mass destruction and then some kind

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of divine judgments.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but the radical reinterpretation posed by our sources asks

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a different question. What if, instead of being a purely

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spiritual prophecy, the descriptions of fire, light and massive conflict

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are actually descriptions of technologically advanced extraterrestrial activity, a cosmic war.

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It really stands out when you read it with that lens.

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The imagery is just overwhelming. You have beings flying through

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the cosmos casting down what sounds like directed energy. It's

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an intense caussemdualism, leading to their reassertion of authority over

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wayward angels. It sounds a lot like an interstellar war.

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Speaker 1: So if the battle is galactic and fought with what

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we would see as superhuman technology, then we have to

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completely re examine the role of the main adversary, Satan.

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Speaker 2: Right. Is he just a demon the personification of evil?

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Or is he as this theory suggests something else entirely

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a benevolent et who broke ranks.

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Speaker 1: How does that work well?

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Speaker 2: This view sees the character of Satan as a composite

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of several ancient figures. He's the adversary, yes, but he's

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also Lucifer, the light Bringer, and he's the leader of

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the Watchers who led a rebellion against the divine command structure.

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Speaker 1: So not just one simple character.

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Speaker 2: No. The core theory proposes that Satan was part of

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the Seraphim.

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Speaker 1: The Seraphim, can you clarify that for our listener?

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Speaker 2: The Seraphim are described in theology as the highest order

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of angels. They're associated with light, with fire, with knowledge,

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with being closest to the divine. This theory argues that

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the Seraphim were originally sent to Earth as benefactors for humankind.

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Speaker 1: So Satan wasn't trying to destroy us. He was trying

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to elevate us.

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Speaker 2: Even if it meant breaking the rules. The idea is

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that the entity we call Satan's stole technology or imparted

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forbidden knowledge to lead early humans out of a state

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of ignorance to accelerate our development, and that act of

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disobedience is what led to his fall.

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Speaker 1: So the evil monster narrative was created later.

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Speaker 2: The contention is that the human religious establishment created that

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narrative to ensure that the main divine authority, the ruling

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alien faction, if you will, was never questioned by the

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newly enlightened human race. In this context, Satan's mission was

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never about malice. It was about bringing knowledge and wisdom

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to humanity.

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Speaker 1: It completely reframes the Garden of Eden's story. It's not

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a punishment for learning, it's a separation because the learning

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was unauthorized.

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Speaker 2: It presents a profound philosophical challenge. The conflict being described

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isn't just good versus evil. It's a battle between control

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and potential. The sources are you. You can't have the

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light without the dark. You can't understand good without the

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option of wrong.

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Speaker 1: Humans have to learn through choice.

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Speaker 2: And struggle exactly, and that struggle, the act of choosing

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right from wrong after being given the tools of knowledge,

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is what allows us to evolve, to become like our makers,

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or as the sources provocatively put it, to become gods ourselves.

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Speaker 1: So if Satan provided that first piece of forbidden knowledge,

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he wasn't the monster.

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Speaker 2: He was the catalyst, the primary catalyst for our re evolution.

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Speaker 1: That's a compelling philosophical take, but it brings us to

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the big question. Where's the physical evidence? Our sources point

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us toward these massive global markers, sites that seem designed

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not just for humans, but for non human observation.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the rock art in the American Southwest.

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It's like a literal history book etched into stone. At

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a place called Rockered Ranch near Winslow, Arizona, there are

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ancient petroclyft panels with depictions that are well, they're hard

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to interpret it human.

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Speaker 1: The imagery is so specific. I read that a Navajo

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elder guided researchers through them. What did they see?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So there's one figure with a hollow body and

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there's a star clearly etched inside of it. One hand

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is pointing up to the sky, the other down to

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the earth, almost like a mediator.

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Speaker 1: A connection between worlds.

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Speaker 2: And right beneath that figure is something that looks disturbingly

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familiar to us now, a classic gray alien figure, large

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distinct triangular head, no way, But it gets deeper. Beside

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that gray alien figure, there's a trapezoidal shaped being standing

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next to what looks for all the world like a

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double helix. The implication is clear, a recorded connection between

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this being and our genetic structure. And this trapezoidal figure

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has these wavy curvy lines etched onto it, which symbolize

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vibration or energy.

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Speaker 1: And that's a crucial link right that symbol.

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Speaker 2: It's a huge link because that vibration symbol connects directly

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to the Onunaki.

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Speaker 1: The Sumerian gods.

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Speaker 2: The powerful Samerian deities from Mesopotamia five one thousand years ago,

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who supposedly descended on a shining mountain and shared wisdom

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with humanity. The suggestion here is that the Navajo ancestors,

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thousands of miles and thousands of years apart, are recording

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encounters with the same beings.

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Speaker 1: So these panels are like a meeting place, a meeting.

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Speaker 2: Place of all these different worlds. They showed giants little

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people figures with three fingers, which is highly unusual. The

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elder pointed out that the ancestors had impeccable powers of observation.

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These weren't just doodles. They were putting their history on

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the wall, showing where they came from.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now, let's jump continents to South America, to the

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High Plateau of Bolivia and the ruins of Tiuanaku.

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Speaker 2: This was a major civilization, a precursor to the Inca,

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renowned for its architecture, but it was mysteriously abandoned around

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eleven hundred AD, and.

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Speaker 1: Local legends connected to another even stranger.

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Speaker 2: Site nearby right Puma Punku. The legends say Tuanaku was

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built as a great religious tilgrimage site to celebrate the

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arrival of Skygum at Puma Punku. And this is where

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theorists draw a fascinating architectural distinction.

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Speaker 1: They talk about two different construction styles exactly.

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Speaker 2: Puma Punku, with its impossibly precise interlocking h blocks, that's

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considered the older extraterrestrial style. The cuts are so perfect

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they look machined.

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Speaker 1: Technology that you shouldn't have existed then.

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Speaker 2: And then there's Teonaku built nearby that scene as the

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later human style. The ideas that it was built as

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a massive tribute site to remember the time when a

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god was physically present on earth.

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Speaker 1: At Puma Punku, so Tiwanaku is essentially a museum built

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to commemorate that ancient alien visit.

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Speaker 2: And the most tangible evidence for this is found in

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its subterranean temple.

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Speaker 1: The sunken courtyard with all the heads in the.

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Speaker 2: Walls, Yes, hundreds of unique stoneheads inserted into the walls.

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And the key detail here is the diversity.

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Speaker 1: They say it represents all the races of mankind.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you see figures with elongated skulls, turbines, every different

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shape of nose and lips. You can imagine it's a

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catalog of human phenotypes. But mixed in with all that

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human diversity are statues that just don't look human at.

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Speaker 1: All, like the gray alien heads.

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Speaker 2: Specifically two statues that are white in color and look

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very much like gray alien heads. This is why theorists

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view the whole complex as a kind of symbolic un headquarters,

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a place where all cultures human and non human accepted

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its importance because it was the site of that original

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divine contact.

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Speaker 1: It's a testament to the diversity of the visitors. Now,

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let's come back to North America for one of the

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most enigmatic markers of all, the Serpent Mound in Ohio.

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Speaker 2: This thing is incredible. It's a gigantic effigy mound, over

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thirteen hundred feet long, showing a coiled snake eating an egg.

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But what makes it so mysterious is that, unlike almost

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every other mound from that period, it contains no burials.

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Speaker 1: It's purpose with something.

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Speaker 2: Else, something symbolic or maybe functional. And the mystery just

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deepens when you consider it scale. Much like the Nasca

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Lines in Peru. It's so massive that you can't actually

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appreciate its shape from the ground. It is clearly meant

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to be viewed only from the sky.

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Speaker 1: Think about the engineering required for that To lay out

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a structure that complex, with all those curves on uneven ground,

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you'd almost have to be hovering above it looking down

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to get it right.

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Speaker 2: The precision is just staggering, But the location is the

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biggest clue. The Serpent Mount is built precisely on the

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edge of a five mile wide.

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Speaker 1: Meteor crater for millions of years ago.

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Speaker 2: Three hundred million years ago, and this ancient impact site

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is the heart of the AAT interpretation. The clater creates

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intense magnetic and gravitational anomalies. They say, if you bring

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a compass to certain spots there, the needle just spins endlessly.

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Speaker 1: I heard a great story about the passenger pigeons.

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Speaker 2: Ah. Yes, pigeons navigate using magnetite in their skulls. The

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story goes that the location was so magnetically strange that

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millions of passenger pigeons would just circle over the spot,

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completely disoriented, unable to figure out which way was north.

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It was a known anomaly.

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Speaker 1: A natural landmark for the unusual.

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Speaker 2: But beyond the magnetic fields, the meteor impact deposited elements

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that are not native to that region, specifically iron, uranium,

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and iridium.

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Speaker 1: And iridium is the key, isn't it. It's incredibly rare

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on Earth's surface but common in asteroids.

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Speaker 2: It's the critical component. Iridium is exceptional. It's non corrosive,

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it can withstand temperatures up to two thousand degrees celsius,

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and in modern science, it's used in high performance deep

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space technology, specifically for what for thermoelectric circuits. You need

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them for deep space probes, the ones that travel beyond

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Jupiter where Sun lays two weak. For solar panels, you

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need a radioactive power source and incredibly durable components like

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iridium to conduct that energy.

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Speaker 1: So at this one spot, this one ancient crater, you

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have iron, uranium, and iridium, three substances crucial for advanced space.

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Speaker 2: Travel, all concentrated in one place by a meteor impact.

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The crater also has numerous caves, So the aat conclusion

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is that extraterrestrials may have targeted this spot specifically to

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mine for their spacecraft, and the Serpent.

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Speaker 1: Mound, visible only from the air, was their marker.

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Speaker 2: A colossal, enduring landing beacon or quarry sign. And what's

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amazing is that Shawnee and Zuni traditions hold that space

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travelers are still using the Serpent mound as a marker today.

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It connects the physical evidence right back to the star ancestors, which.

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Speaker 1: Brings us to our final theme, the connection between these

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ancient emergence myths of the Southwest and these very persistent

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modern claims of subterranean alien activity in the exact same places.

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Speaker 2: It's a seamless link the creation myths of the Navajo, Zuni,

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Hopee Apache. They all share this one striking detail. Their

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ancestors came out from.

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Speaker 1: The ground, and these aren't just simple emergence stories. The

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legends talk about ancestors going underground to find safety during

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massive cataclysms on the surface, deadly storms of fire and ice,

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or periods of falling stars.

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Speaker 2: It's reminiscent of the underground city of Darren Kuyu and Turkey.

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And critically, in these myths, they weren't alone. They were

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helped and show altered by specific non human beings.

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Speaker 1: The snake people and the ant people.

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Speaker 2: Right The myths describe how these benefactors took the humans

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into subsurface dwellings and cared for them for long periods

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until the surface world was safe.

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Speaker 1: Again, and some of the rock art from that time

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depicts beings with large eyes and long fingers.

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Speaker 2: Which has led to speculation that maybe people living underground

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for centuries might develop traits that resemble what we now

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call extraterrestrial biological entities. But the Shamans and Elders have

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a much more direct explanation.

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Speaker 1: What's their take.

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Speaker 2: They say that before emerging onto the surface, of this planet.

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Their ancestors were brought here by the star people from outer.

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Speaker 1: Space, so the ant people and snake people weren't just animals.

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Speaker 2: In that context. They're specific species of extraterrestrials, some insect

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like some reptilian, who were helping the newly arrived humans

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survive by taking them into prepared underground shelters.

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Speaker 1: And this ancient mythology has a stark modern parallel in

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one's specific place, Dulce, New Mexico, right near the arch

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of Leeda Mesa.

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Speaker 2: For decades, this area has been an epicenter for modern

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UFO sidings, often connected directly to the mountain. People claim

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to have seen UFOs flying out of the mountain. There's

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one account of a ship the size of a football

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field with a glass dome containing two small.

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Speaker 1: Figures in Researchers link these sightings to the rumored Dulce Base.

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Speaker 2: A massive deep underground facility supposedly operated in a secret

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collaboration between aliens and the US military, and the evidence

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they cite is the constant heavy military traffic in the area,

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unmarked helicopters, heavy duty chinooks, far more than a small

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town like Doulcee should ever see.

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Speaker 1: And then there are the stories about the events.

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Speaker 2: Yes the Hickory Apache, people reportedly discovered vents or shafts

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on the Mesa, and this is where the story takes

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a dark turn. People reported hearing strange noises groans, human

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groans coming from deep within these.

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Speaker 1: Vents, which fuel the modern legend.

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Speaker 2: The horrific story that human beings were being experimented on

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by strange creatures coming from the Mesa. What starts as

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an ancient myth of survival underground with non human help

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spirals into a modern story of secret bases and inner

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species conflict.

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Speaker 1: But the core idea is the same. The mountain isn't

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just a mountain. It's a portal or a dwelling for

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non human intelligences who have been interacting with us for

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a very very long time.

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Speaker 2: This whole deep dive has covered just a huge ambitious

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span of material. We've gone from the hyper precise mathematics

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of the Maya to the prophetic narratives of the Hopie,

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to a radical reinterpretation of the Bible as galactic warfare.

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Speaker 1: Then to the physical markers at Serpent Mound, and finally

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to this convergence of ancient myths and modern claims at Doulte.

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Speaker 2: And the enduring theme that connects every single one of

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these points is simple, but it's absolutely world changing.

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Speaker 1: Our sources consistently suggest that humans were not alone in

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our evolution, that crucial world altering knowledge was imparted to us,

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not just discovered over time.

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Speaker 2: Whether you call them the Seraphim, the star beings, or

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the Ananaki, ancient people recorded their history of contact in

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ways that were designed to last. In stone, in earth.

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In prophecies may be intended to endure until that prophesied

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moment when the truth will be revealed.

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Speaker 1: So if we accept the premise presented in these sources,

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even for a moment, that the greatest cosmic conflict isn't

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between good and evil as we define it, but a

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battle for the control of knowledge, then we really have

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to ask ourselves a question. If an advanced force gave

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us the tools to become gods ourselves, what price are

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we paying for that wisdom? What do you think the

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true currency of the universe is let us know what

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stands out to you