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Speaker 6: All right, tomfo, welcome to the Jay Burdon Show. How
Speaker 6: you doing that?
Speaker 4: I'm doing great. Thank you for having me on. Man,
Speaker 4: it's really appreciate the invite, and I'm excited for this conversation.
Speaker 6: Yeah, dude, I am too. It's always fun, like the
Speaker 6: Internet's a big place because every once in a while
Speaker 6: I discover like these sort of gems where it's like
Speaker 6: I don't know how I've never seen your stuff before.
Speaker 6: You do a style of video. That's when I say
Speaker 6: it's like they don't make them anymore. I'm not insulting you.
Speaker 6: I'm saying I wish they would, but it's kind of
Speaker 6: a lost art on YouTube. And rumble right, the videos
Speaker 6: you put out, they're well done. So yeah, man, I'm
Speaker 6: really excited to be recommended your stuff and then to
Speaker 6: get you on the show man what.
Speaker 4: I really appreciate that. And and yeah, I like a
Speaker 4: lot of people don't really do the type of content
Speaker 4: I do. It's just kind of simple and it's not
Speaker 4: overthinking it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting. It is sort of like and I'm
Speaker 6: a feeling we're roughly the same age and so of
Speaker 6: proportionally to our life spend spend a lot of time
Speaker 6: on YouTube, and you sort of see these different trends,
Speaker 6: you know, and this is kind of the era of
Speaker 6: like the three hour video, you know, the documentary on xshy.
Speaker 6: Yeah exactly, And you know, I'll enjoy some of that
Speaker 6: from time to time, but I do kind of miss
Speaker 6: the era of the response video, you know, like maybe
Speaker 6: it's nostalgia, but it is something you don't see much anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, for sure, I can't do too many of
Speaker 4: the video essays anymore because they're like Netflix documentaries and
Speaker 4: it's like it's way too much. I just like the
Speaker 4: the more simpler stuff. There's a few other YouTubers who
Speaker 4: do this style of content, and they're actually the reason
Speaker 4: why I do it. They inspired me. Like Jimmy Talks
Speaker 4: is one of them, for sure. He just puts gameplay
Speaker 4: in talks and that's it.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, look like the very similar reason to
Speaker 6: why I have an interview show. You know, I saw
Speaker 6: other people doing it and I was like, oh, I
Speaker 6: feel like I have something to add, or like I
Speaker 6: wish I could have said something, and writing out of
Speaker 6: YouTube comment you realize really quickly it's like, oh, this
Speaker 6: is an unfulfilling waste of time, and I guess you
Speaker 6: can just do things right. As the meme goes, Yeah, dude,
Speaker 6: I'm curious, and I'm not asking you to give a
Speaker 6: super kind of detailed breakdown, but like, how do you
Speaker 6: get an interested in politics? Because look, you know niche
Speaker 6: writ wing politics is bigger than it's ever been, but
Speaker 6: you know, it's still not something that you know, every
Speaker 6: person you bump into is familiar with So how do
Speaker 6: you end up here?
Speaker 4: Uh, well, definitely just online all the time. That's that's
Speaker 4: number one. But uh, I got into politics right before
Speaker 4: I turned eighteen, So I turned eighteen the year Trump
Speaker 4: was running, So that was the first time I got
Speaker 4: to vote, and I got like super into the drama,
Speaker 4: and I became a pretty big Trump supporter, and I
Speaker 4: was just kind of energized. I feel like twenty sixteen
Speaker 4: was a big energizing year for politics. A lot of people,
Speaker 4: even people who were older, got interested in it because
Speaker 4: it was kind of like a TV show. There's a
Speaker 4: lot of drama between the candidates, and you had the
Speaker 4: debates that were crazy, and then you had all the
Speaker 4: stuff happening online. Like twenty sixteen was the first election
Speaker 4: in my opinion, that was really kind of online. You
Speaker 4: had all the Facebook stuff, the Instagram stuff. You had
Speaker 4: stuff going on with like wiki leaks where they were
Speaker 4: leaking emails from the government and Hillary Clinton's emails, and
Speaker 4: then there was a big conspiracy with the Pizzagate stuff,
Speaker 4: like all the trafficking. And so the first year I
Speaker 4: kind of got into politics, I was just online all
Speaker 4: the time, and I started getting into all these niche
Speaker 4: stories that were going on, and so I guess that's
Speaker 4: where it started. And then obviously you fast forward four
Speaker 4: years you have Trump losing, and then you have all
Speaker 4: these people saying, well, it was stolen, and then it
Speaker 4: wasn't stolen, and then you have all this stuff with COVID.
Speaker 4: So it was just kind of and I'm not alone here.
Speaker 4: I've talked to a lot of guys that are around
Speaker 4: my same age, and I feel like most young men
Speaker 4: who kind of got into politics because of Trump, I
Speaker 4: feel like most of them are in a similar position
Speaker 4: to where I am. Because there was always some niche
Speaker 4: story going on, whether it's Pizzagate or Jeffrey Epstein or
Speaker 4: the election being stolen or COVID, all these different conspiracies
Speaker 4: things going on. You were always just kind of like
Speaker 4: in these niche groups talking about these things online, and
Speaker 4: so it just keeps pushing you further and further. And
Speaker 4: then in twenty twenty four, I voted for Trump for
Speaker 4: the third time, and I was pretty excited. And then
Speaker 4: this year, or at least last year, I kind of
Speaker 4: got a little bit more radicalized because I kind of
Speaker 4: figured the Trump admin wasn't doing what I've kind of
Speaker 4: wanted them to do, and I'm not alone on that.
Speaker 4: I feel like they kind of drop the ball. And so,
Speaker 4: I mean, the only reason I'm kind of where I
Speaker 4: am politically is just because there's been one story after another,
Speaker 4: or there's just been one disappointment after another from the
Speaker 4: establishment conservatives and I don't, you know, like the Democrats.
Speaker 4: So I'm just constantly getting pushed in the other direction,
Speaker 4: you know. And it's kind of as simple as that,
Speaker 4: to be honest. It's just the Democrats hate white guys
Speaker 4: and they hate young dudes, and they push all this
Speaker 4: LGBTQ stuff on you, and then the Republicans don't really
Speaker 4: do that much better, and so you just kind of
Speaker 4: end up where I'm at. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Man, I missed the first Trump election by just a
Speaker 6: few months. I was too young to vote for it,
Speaker 6: but really remember, yeah, yeah, just a little bit. But
Speaker 6: I remember being super swept up in it. And there
Speaker 6: was this other dynamic that made it really fun because
Speaker 6: I was in a you know, a fairly conservative area
Speaker 6: and it was a ton of fun watching like the
Speaker 6: older people right like at my school or at you know,
Speaker 6: church or whatever kind of social gathering get really upset
Speaker 6: and really offended by Trump, right, and eventually, you know
Speaker 6: a lot of these people would kind of come around
Speaker 6: on it, but you saw that kind of like never
Speaker 6: Trumper thing, and that made it even more fun, right
Speaker 6: because you could both annoy you know, the most irritating
Speaker 6: people in the world liberals and also like the president
Speaker 6: of your school or either the principal of your school
Speaker 6: or whatever. And so that was really fun. So like
Speaker 6: I know what you mean that kind of like infectious.
Speaker 6: It felt like, you know, this was like a way
Speaker 6: to both you know, do something funny and also kind
Speaker 6: of like throw a wrench into it, you know, throw
Speaker 6: a wrench into this, like says them. And for me,
Speaker 6: you know, I got super radicalized in college because like
Speaker 6: I went to this like small liberal arts school for
Speaker 6: a little bit. I ended up you know, dropping out
Speaker 6: and finishing somewhere else and it was pretty close to
Speaker 6: the you know, where the whole unite the right thing happened.
Speaker 6: And so I showed up for like freshman year right
Speaker 6: after that, and dude, it was a disaster. Like there,
Speaker 6: I've said it before on my show, so I'll you know,
Speaker 6: fly through the story. But like they bring us in
Speaker 6: small school, a couple hundred kids break us into you know,
Speaker 6: men and women, And for the men, it was like
Speaker 6: a full on struggle session. Like there was this big,
Speaker 6: you know, kind of double wide kind of woman at
Speaker 6: the front and she literally said, it's a phrase like
Speaker 6: burned into my head. You know, one in three women
Speaker 6: on a college campus will be raped. Look to your right,
Speaker 6: look to your left. One of those men could be
Speaker 6: a rapist. Dude like seventeen. I guess I was eighteen barely,
Speaker 6: but like, hey, that's that's kind of a strong start,
Speaker 6: you know, to your college experience and to your point. Right,
Speaker 6: You're like, okay, well I can't be part of that,
Speaker 6: Like there's no way for me to do that without
Speaker 6: you know, putting address on I guess, but like that's
Speaker 6: not an option, and so they're like, okay, well, I guess,
Speaker 6: like the Republicans are my guys, and you know, there's
Speaker 6: some things that I do or don't like. And then
Speaker 6: to me, like the point where it was really like okay,
Speaker 6: like this is the two options presented are non viable
Speaker 6: was obviously the whole twenty twenty thing, because it's basically like, oh,
Speaker 6: like we're depending on your opinion. You can just turn
Speaker 6: off an election, you can change the way that we
Speaker 6: do things, and then you have you know, Joe Biden
Speaker 6: and I have a very distinct memory as helping one
Speaker 6: of my buddies move and you know the whatever. The
Speaker 6: roof of his new place needed some repair. So we
Speaker 6: were just like a shoot, like, we'll put a tarp
Speaker 6: over it until you can, you know, get someone here
Speaker 6: to actually fix it. So I'm sitting on the roof
Speaker 6: with my best friend and it's right when you know,
Speaker 6: Joe Biden was you know, pushing out this whole thing
Speaker 6: of like, oh, if you don't have the thing, right,
Speaker 6: I can't say it's the one thing I've gotten a
Speaker 6: YouTube strike for. If you don't have the thing, you
Speaker 6: can't work, you can't get a job. So still in
Speaker 6: college at the time, and I was like, am I
Speaker 6: just like gonna be like homeless or like part of
Speaker 6: the underclass? You know, like some guy like begging for
Speaker 6: money because I won't do this. And it's like, oh,
Speaker 6: I guess that's how much they hate me. You know,
Speaker 6: they're willing to do that, like you can't even contribute
Speaker 6: to society. And I think that like a lot of guys,
Speaker 6: and it sounds like you're in the kind of similar position.
Speaker 6: You see, like Trump come around for the third time,
Speaker 6: seems like he's gonna win, and you're like, okay, like
Speaker 6: all right, like you maybe you learned some stuff, you
Speaker 6: learned who you couldn't trust, couldn't trust how you have
Speaker 6: to take on a government that hates you. And for
Speaker 6: like the first couple of months, it's like, okay, like
Speaker 6: I guess, you know, I was a little cynical, but
Speaker 6: it seems like he's learned, you know, learned what you
Speaker 6: need to do. And then real, real quickly, all that
Speaker 6: goes away, and it's like, okay, so you're your one
Speaker 6: priority is a certain Middle Eastern democracy. That's what it
Speaker 6: comes down to. And so even when you know, as
Speaker 6: the moniles would say, right, you do the thing, you
Speaker 6: get your guy in the big you know, anti establishment guy,
Speaker 6: it's like, oh, okay, so so nothing changes. So we
Speaker 6: just have no solution within this system. And I mean,
Speaker 6: look like obviously I've been on the internet saying radical
Speaker 6: things well before that, but that's one of those ones.
Speaker 6: We're like, okay, so that's that's the state of play.
Speaker 6: And you know, I'm glad you brought up the you
Speaker 6: know the age thing as well, because like one of
Speaker 6: my least favorite I guess fa I should do kind
Speaker 6: of like reading these is the like endless number of
Speaker 6: like articles and opinion pieces about like why are young
Speaker 6: men so radical? And the solutions are all completely insane,
Speaker 6: like oh, we'll just find a you know, a chubby
Speaker 6: Hispanic woman to go to frat parties and that'll you know,
Speaker 6: win them back over for you know, the Democrats or whatever.
Speaker 6: And I'm saying Democrat Republican. Well we all know I
Speaker 6: mean when I say that, Yeah, but I'm curious and
Speaker 6: maybe I could throw back to you, like what's your
Speaker 6: answer that question, like why are young men so radical?
Speaker 4: Hm? See, this is something i've you know, because obviously
Speaker 4: I'm I mean, I'm not like a younger gen Z.
Speaker 4: I'm older gen Z, but I'm still part of the
Speaker 4: same generation and a lot of the problems the younger
Speaker 4: guys have, I guess like you and I, we got
Speaker 4: to experience those firsthand, you know, when they first started
Speaker 4: kind of popping up. And I mean this, the answer
Speaker 4: to that question isn't just one thing. It's not just political,
Speaker 4: it's not just one simple answer. You'll hear it from Republicans,
Speaker 4: for example, when they talk about it, they'll talk about
Speaker 4: young men and they'll say, you'll see some chick go
Speaker 4: on Fox News and talk about how young men just
Speaker 4: want to play video games and they don't want to,
Speaker 4: you know, interact with society. They don't want to marry
Speaker 4: a single mom or you know, step up to the
Speaker 4: plate or whatever. And then when they talk about solutions,
Speaker 4: they always talk about like the economy, and they'll they'll
Speaker 4: say stuff like, oh, we just need to give them
Speaker 4: the ability to buy a house, if they could own
Speaker 4: a home, or it's the job, or it's the taxes,
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's it's money, and they focus on that.
Speaker 4: And then for Democrats it's they say the money. But
Speaker 4: then they have some weird thing where it's like they're
Speaker 4: being men are brainwashed and they're just all misogynists and
Speaker 4: that's why they're unhappy, and we just need to liberate
Speaker 4: them from that way of thinking and then we can
Speaker 4: all be equal. So they're both like getting it wrong,
Speaker 4: because it's not just one reason why men are the
Speaker 4: way they are. A big reason is because of you know, purpose,
Speaker 4: a lot of young men in today's society, they lack
Speaker 4: a purpose, and no one amount of them being able
Speaker 4: to buy a home or have some corporate job that
Speaker 4: really is just a bullshit job to be honest, that
Speaker 4: doesn't really matter, that can get replaced with AI in
Speaker 4: ten years, is gonna you know, fill that void. You
Speaker 4: have a generation of men that were demonized one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: You had a generation of men that were kind of
Speaker 4: just kind of just abandoned, you know, even with today,
Speaker 4: Like a problem the Republican Party has is they keep
Speaker 4: doing things that favor the older generations, like the boomers,
Speaker 4: and then they'll talk about how young men are angry
Speaker 4: because they can't afford a home, but then they won't
Speaker 4: and act policies that are gonna bring home prices down.
Speaker 4: They'll give you a fifty year mortgage, but that's just
Speaker 4: about it. And they think it's it's money. They think
Speaker 4: it's because they can't afford things. But there's so much more.
Speaker 4: There's the purpose, you know that there's the idea of
Speaker 4: this country doesn't have a future. There's the idea that
Speaker 4: it's wrong for young men to be masculine, and it's
Speaker 4: wrong for young white men to be proud of being white.
Speaker 4: It's wrong for you to have a sense of identity
Speaker 4: and belonging, and these things give you purpose in a way.
Speaker 4: It's not just about money or affording a home. Also
Speaker 4: another reason is quite frankly, it is because of dating.
Speaker 4: It's because of relationships, not just between just the dating relationships,
Speaker 4: but also like friendships. I think young gen Z men.
Speaker 4: There's some study I saw like a few years ago
Speaker 4: that talked about how like fifteen percent of gen Z
Speaker 4: men have no friends, like at all. They're chronically just
Speaker 4: online and they have nobody to talk to. And then
Speaker 4: our generation we grew up when if you want to
Speaker 4: talk about dating, because relationships, you know that that gives
Speaker 4: you a family, that gives you legacy, that gives you kids.
Speaker 4: It's kind of impossible at this point, Like it's very
Speaker 4: screwed up. Like ever since before I was old enough
Speaker 4: to date, there was a dating app. You know, before Tender,
Speaker 4: there was Hot or not before that, there was Facebook.
Speaker 4: And it's feminis like feminists and the feminization of the country.
Speaker 4: It's a very radical ideology that's kind of rooted at
Speaker 4: the core of this nation. You even have Republican conservative
Speaker 4: women that are basically covert feminists, and they'll talk about
Speaker 4: all these issues with men, but they won't talk about
Speaker 4: problems with women and how a lot of women these
Speaker 4: days are kind of undateable. And it's not to say
Speaker 4: that men are completely datable. There's a lot of problems
Speaker 4: that go both ways. But the reason why young men
Speaker 4: are so angry and there's so many issues is because
Speaker 4: it's not just one problem. It is the economy, it
Speaker 4: is the future. It is the fact that the leaders
Speaker 4: have completely abandoned the future of this nation and sold
Speaker 4: the future that's supposed to belong to the children to
Speaker 4: Black Rock and all these different companies. It's you know,
Speaker 4: we have a country that has no no real like morals.
Speaker 4: There's no like real role models for young men. Either.
Speaker 4: With black families, you have like no fathers in the families,
Speaker 4: so they have no men to look up to. And
Speaker 4: then with white men and white kids, they have fathers
Speaker 4: that are basically just cooks, and they don't stand up
Speaker 4: for anything, and they don't believe in anything, and at
Speaker 4: the first sight of any type of conflict, they just
Speaker 4: kind of like cower. And you just have a lot
Speaker 4: of issues that have just been compounding throughout the decades. Really,
Speaker 4: and gen Z men are kind of reaching a powder
Speaker 4: keg moment where they're just angry. A lot of them
Speaker 4: are just checked out. And it is because you know,
Speaker 4: they can't date. It is because they have no purpose.
Speaker 4: It is because you know a lot of them will
Speaker 4: go to college, they'll get a degree, they won't be
Speaker 4: able to find work. It is because they can't get home.
Speaker 4: So it is the economy as well. But you don't
Speaker 4: really have any leaders that are focusing on the real
Speaker 4: issues that men have. They think it's just we can
Speaker 4: have them buy a house or whatever, and that's going
Speaker 4: to fix everything. And it's like, no, there's so much more,
Speaker 4: but nobody wants to have that conversation.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, and look to that point, Like a
Speaker 6: house is obviously there's the literal thing of owning a house,
Speaker 6: owning a property, having a stake in society. That's really
Speaker 6: important because then you own a piece of it, you're
Speaker 6: tied into it. But it's sort of symbolic of a
Speaker 6: bunch of other things, right, Like you're one hundred percent
Speaker 6: correct that, like the money isn't all of it, but
Speaker 6: the fact that like it is incredibly difficult to find
Speaker 6: a decent job. You know that many people are drowning
Speaker 6: in debt. You know, an ever greater portion of their
Speaker 6: income is being used to you know, provide basic necessities.
Speaker 6: Like I was talking to uh Proving bull right, he's
Speaker 6: I think he's about our age about exactly this, and
Speaker 6: he's super smart, you know right now he works as
Speaker 6: a you know, financial analyst. So like he's you know,
Speaker 6: a smart kid, right, And so I just asked him offhand.
Speaker 6: I was like, hey man, how many jobs have you
Speaker 6: applied for? And his answer was if I'm not I
Speaker 6: don't want to misquote him here, but he's like around
Speaker 6: six hundred.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: And like, look like there's a reason I'm a professional
Speaker 6: internet guy. That's because I had a very similar experience.
Speaker 6: Like and I'm not this is obviously years ago. I'm
Speaker 6: not torn up about it. But like I graduated from
Speaker 6: a you know, a competitive program in a degree that
Speaker 6: people tell you to get, right, Like this is what
Speaker 6: you get if you want a job. How was working
Speaker 6: a clothing factory? Like that was what I did after school.
Speaker 6: And look like the economy sucks sometimes it happens, but
Speaker 6: that feeling of hopelessness you're talking about where it's like
Speaker 6: what do I got to do to get ahead, like
Speaker 6: it feels as if, you know, you're always behind the
Speaker 6: eight ball, and you know, as regards dating, this is
Speaker 6: something that's really hard to express to people who didn't
Speaker 6: grow up in kind of the the algorithm era right
Speaker 6: when it, you know, because look like you know, even
Speaker 6: kind of like core and older millennials remember the before
Speaker 6: social media era, is that like that radically changes the
Speaker 6: playing field because again, one, you are basing a relationship
Speaker 6: at least even if you get to that point off
Speaker 6: of like fleeting momentary attraction like not how you talk,
Speaker 6: not your social setting, whatever, just that. And also it
Speaker 6: plays into like negative you know, negative traits in female psychology,
Speaker 6: which is like, oh, well, I string along a bunch
Speaker 6: of guys, you know, just get the attention from it.
Speaker 6: And I think you're right to point out, like, look
Speaker 6: like this, men and women both if we wouldn't even
Speaker 6: just break it out of those categories, both have very
Speaker 6: real problems. Like you can look at you know, the
Speaker 6: female rate of mental disorders and suicide. All of these
Speaker 6: things are getting worse. But like at a more basic level,
Speaker 6: one of the things that I think is kind of
Speaker 6: interesting about gen Z is that many of the things
Speaker 6: that previous generations said they thought or said they would do.
Speaker 6: We were actually kind of forced to do so, Like
Speaker 6: if you look at you know, boomers, what they and
Speaker 6: we're talking in aggregate, right, there's a huge generation. I
Speaker 6: know some of you were the good ones. So if
Speaker 6: you're listen this, you are one of the good ones.
Speaker 6: The point is, like you see this huge gap between
Speaker 6: stated and revealed preference. What people will say if you
Speaker 6: call them on the phone, like I guess that's how
Speaker 6: they do polling still and say like what do you
Speaker 6: think about this? And how they actually live their life?
Speaker 6: You know, the patterns of marriage and family formation similar
Speaker 6: slightly decreased with generations after that, but for us, like
Speaker 6: the kind of like war between the sexes was it
Speaker 6: still is just raging. So like look like I'm married,
Speaker 6: I met my wife, you know, young common religious community, right,
Speaker 6: so I was sort of able to opt out of this,
Speaker 6: but like that's not only incredibly unique, but like my
Speaker 6: friends didn't have that, Like my peers don't have that,
Speaker 6: and you know, going through college and we were dating,
Speaker 6: like I'd see my friends her friends going through this
Speaker 6: and just getting chewed up by it. Like the guys,
Speaker 6: who are you know, like I probably shouldn't say this,
Speaker 6: but like a guy I know who's you know, got
Speaker 6: a six figure job, owns a house, and it was
Speaker 6: on like a good looking guy on like a five
Speaker 6: year cold streak, you know, of just like nothing, and
Speaker 6: you're like, okay, look like, clearly this isn't working. And
Speaker 6: it's tough to talk to people who grew up in
Speaker 6: the before times because they'll give you this kind of
Speaker 6: pull yourself up by the bootstraps advice and it's just
Speaker 6: incredibly infuriating to listen to it because you're like, look,
Speaker 6: man like, the situation has changed so dramatically from when
Speaker 6: you know you were on the dating scene, so to speak,
Speaker 6: and it it's doubly difficult because like, if you're giving
Speaker 6: someone advice, it's actually not horrible advice given the limitations,
Speaker 6: because look, man like, you or I can't fix this
Speaker 6: big problem, right, I can't do anything to solve the
Speaker 6: dating market. So within that limitation, being like okay, well,
Speaker 6: like what can you do? Can you improve how attractive
Speaker 6: you are, improve your prospects or whatever, even if it's difficult,
Speaker 6: like within your power, that's probably your best bet. But
Speaker 6: at the same time, so often that is given in
Speaker 6: such a dismissive way of like, oh, you know, men
Speaker 6: are useless. Why won't you get off your phone? Why
Speaker 6: are you buying avocado toast in eight dollars? Lattes that
Speaker 6: it like completely blows up any possibility of like you know,
Speaker 6: how to actually move forward. And again when I say,
Speaker 6: like pull yourself up by your bootstraps is the best advice,
Speaker 6: I mean, that's a great solution. But if you've got
Speaker 6: literally two cards to play, either do that or do nothing,
Speaker 6: it is technically better, but again, like it's still a
Speaker 6: it's a tough sell, and it's like I understand why
Speaker 6: people get so upset about it, but I'll throw it
Speaker 6: back to you, Tom No.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're one hundred percent correct. Like, the only
Speaker 4: thing you can do if you're a young man is
Speaker 4: you know, better yourself. That's all. That's all anyone can do,
Speaker 4: not just men but women. That's like the whole point
Speaker 4: is you wake up every day and you try to
Speaker 4: do better than you did the day before, and that's
Speaker 4: the only way anyone makes it. But when it comes
Speaker 4: to dating, especially like you said, when you talk to
Speaker 4: older generations, I kind of feel bad for older generations.
Speaker 4: Or older men, especially when it comes to them giving
Speaker 4: advice to like their sons when it comes to dating,
Speaker 4: because unless you have like a specific set of circumstances,
Speaker 4: like kind of how you said you met your wife young,
Speaker 4: you guys were in a religious group together. I have
Speaker 4: a friend who has pretty much the same story. He
Speaker 4: met his wife when they're both fourteen at church. They
Speaker 4: only dated each other, they waited till marriage before they
Speaker 4: had sex. They got married at like twenty three. I
Speaker 4: was the best man at the wedding, and you know,
Speaker 4: they don't have kids yet, but they're fixing to get
Speaker 4: a they're happy, they're in love. He's the only person
Speaker 4: I know out of all of my friends who was
Speaker 4: blessed enough to be in that circumstance. And he did
Speaker 4: follow all the advice that he should have done. He
Speaker 4: treated her respectfully, he never cheated on her, He was
Speaker 4: a man of God, all these different things, and you
Speaker 4: know he's going to be blessed for that. They're going
Speaker 4: to have a beautiful family. But he's the only one
Speaker 4: I know, And I know other guys that met, you know,
Speaker 4: women in church and when they were younger, and the
Speaker 4: relationships just didn't work out. My first girlfriend and I
Speaker 4: actually got engaged to her when I was nineteen. That
Speaker 4: didn't work out, and I met her at church, and
Speaker 4: so after that I did kind of go through the
Speaker 4: meat grinder, Yeah, the tender, the bumble, the dating scene.
Speaker 4: And it kind of sucks because this society, because of
Speaker 4: social media and the internet, Like this is a general
Speaker 4: that is experiencing the algorithm. Like you said, that's never
Speaker 4: happened throughout history, So the first generation to be raised
Speaker 4: on that, and it's it's completely alien to us, and
Speaker 4: so we're kind of responding to it in ways that's
Speaker 4: very unpredictable. Nobody can kind of figure out why certain
Speaker 4: things are happening until like it's too late, essentially. And
Speaker 4: the problem with like older generations when they try to
Speaker 4: give you advice, like older men, is that they give
Speaker 4: you really good advice. It's just the time isn't the same.
Speaker 4: A lot of young men, if they follow the advice
Speaker 4: for dating that their dad gives them, they're just gonna
Speaker 4: get like screwed up, Like they're honestly gonna get like
Speaker 4: completely I'm trying not.
Speaker 6: To say pepper honest like Pepper at best.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like there's just a lot of ways, like
Speaker 4: women are just different because of social media, because of
Speaker 4: and not even just younger women. You see this with
Speaker 4: older women too that get divorced and try to re
Speaker 4: enter the dating scene. It's different all around. And so
Speaker 4: the only way a lot of like young men have
Speaker 4: to succeed if they're not like in the right circumstance
Speaker 4: is you kind of have to be an asshole. That's
Speaker 4: like something you have to do. You have to play
Speaker 4: by a different set of rules if you want to
Speaker 4: get some type of reaction from women, and it doesn't
Speaker 4: necessarily make you a good person. That's why you see
Speaker 4: like a lot of guys who they get a lot
Speaker 4: of girlfriends or they date a lot, they don't keep them,
Speaker 4: and those relationships don't last that long because relationships nowadays
Speaker 4: for most people are just kind of for show. It's
Speaker 4: either just for sex, or it's because the girl wants
Speaker 4: a boyfriend because all of her friends have boyfriends, and
Speaker 4: that's why she has boyfriend. But as soon as that
Speaker 4: fleeting feeling of happiness goes away, the relationship is over essentially,
Speaker 4: And if she doesn't break up with you, she's probably
Speaker 4: just gonna cheat on you because she's already moved on
Speaker 4: to somebody else in her head, and vice versa. Guys
Speaker 4: can do the same thing. So relationships are just kind
Speaker 4: of like it's honestly probably the biggest problem the West
Speaker 4: has in general. Like we can talk about the economy,
Speaker 4: you can talk about like political differences, but if we
Speaker 4: don't figure out relationships, we're not going to be able
Speaker 4: to save the country at all. Like it's just not
Speaker 4: going to be salvageable.
Speaker 6: Well, I wrote a piece responding to David french right,
Speaker 6: who's quite possibly the most owned man in existence, and
Speaker 6: his whole thing was responding sort of vaguely, he didn't
Speaker 6: really understand it to guys like you and I. The
Speaker 6: piece of The New York Times titled you know what
Speaker 6: happens if I refuse to admit that America is in decline?
Speaker 6: And you know, one of the things he talks about,
Speaker 6: he's like, oh, well, you know, don't you know, Like
Speaker 6: divorce is down from what it used to be, you know,
Speaker 6: and and abortion is down. And it's like, well, cool, dude,
Speaker 6: but also like why like why is you know, divorced down?
Speaker 6: And it's like, well, to be honest, dude, no one's
Speaker 6: getting married, Like proportionally even to you know, just a
Speaker 6: few generations ago. Like you see this even on a
Speaker 6: much more basic level, like the percentage of you know,
Speaker 6: Generation Z that hasn't even had sex, which look like,
Speaker 6: you know, I'm not gonna say that, like you know,
Speaker 6: mass you know, casual hedonic sex is like a great
Speaker 6: place for society to be, but it at least means
Speaker 6: that like people are interacting at like some basic level,
Speaker 6: and it's really not the case. There have been a
Speaker 6: couple think pieces from you know kind of uh, you know,
Speaker 6: aging women talking about how you know, public spaces have
Speaker 6: become female, right, Like they go to a restaurant and
Speaker 6: they say, I just see women together. And it's one
Speaker 6: of these things where it's like you're right to point
Speaker 6: out like the isolation of men, but also like in
Speaker 6: a weird way, men and women have become different political
Speaker 6: classes and like the same way that like you hear
Speaker 6: communists talk about like the you know, the workers at
Speaker 6: the bourgeoisie, where it's like they have they view themselves
Speaker 6: as a block with different interests. And you know, going
Speaker 6: through school during COVID was just a mess. But you know,
Speaker 6: I remember I can't remember which election it was maybe
Speaker 6: it was I don't think this would have been twenty twenty.
Speaker 6: It was some you know, off your election or whatever.
Speaker 6: But my wife doesn't vote, never voted, just doesn't care to, right,
Speaker 6: And she was, you know, surrounded by other women who were,
Speaker 6: you know, as many are quite progressive, and had a
Speaker 6: conversation where someone was like, I don't understand how women
Speaker 6: can't vote, Like you're not even really a woman if
Speaker 6: you don't vote, the implication being vote Democrats. And I
Speaker 6: always thought that was kind of revealing because it is like,
Speaker 6: in the same way that like black means something literal,
Speaker 6: So like Clarence Thomas is biologically black, but he's not
Speaker 6: capital B black, right, the political identity because he isn't
Speaker 6: you know, on side on certain issues. Just an offhand example,
Speaker 6: but you sort of see the same thing with women,
Speaker 6: where you know, women and men seem to or man
Speaker 6: seems to be kind of trending in the same direction.
Speaker 6: Has become like it has a dual meaning, and so
Speaker 6: there's like this political identity that goes along with it.
Speaker 6: And I noticed this with you know, my buddies on
Speaker 6: social media apps that there are almost no men with
Speaker 6: like political signs or political slogans and they're dating app profiles,
Speaker 6: but there are a whole lot of women with them.
Speaker 6: And even if you don't count the direct ones where
Speaker 6: it's like, you know, proud Democrat or free Palestine or whatever.
Speaker 6: Maybe we can work on that second one, but whatever,
Speaker 6: But like you see the other ones where it's like,
Speaker 6: you know, it'll be and I don't really understand how
Speaker 6: this technology works for fairly obvious reasons, but it'll be
Speaker 6: things like you can respond to a question, you know,
Speaker 6: like my ideal on man has blank, And one of
Speaker 6: the really common ones is you know, he's in therapy, which,
Speaker 6: let's be honest, we all know what that's code for, right.
Speaker 6: It means that you are, you know, basically talking to
Speaker 6: a lip d art at the tune of one hundred
Speaker 6: dollars of an hour until you become one. And I
Speaker 6: think that that to your point, like that's a really
Speaker 6: deep problem that like being a woman has become synonymous
Speaker 6: with progressive policies, and you mentioned it earlier talking about
Speaker 6: you know, female Republican influencers where it's like, you know,
Speaker 6: sure they may be you know, ruby red and conservative
Speaker 6: on the outside, but you scratch them and you reveal
Speaker 6: a feminist, and I think that that's like, that's a
Speaker 6: huge issue.
Speaker 4: Man, m h one hundred percent. What was it that
Speaker 4: quote from nineteen eighty four George Orwell, women are the
Speaker 4: swallower of slogans. That's just like their things. So it's
Speaker 4: kind of like always a thing. They're very social creatures.
Speaker 4: I don't even know why I said creatures, but they're
Speaker 4: very social by nature, and so it is kind of
Speaker 4: like a performative thing. Like a lot of women, and
Speaker 4: I've dated a lot. I'm not going to go into specifics.
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to embarrass myself, but most of the
Speaker 4: women I have dated are liberal and they are feminists.
Speaker 4: I'm not that at all. So for me, I just
Speaker 4: avoid or at least when I was dating certain women
Speaker 4: like that, I would avoid politics altogether. And a lot
Speaker 4: of them, like even the ones with the slogans and
Speaker 4: the stuff on their profile picture, they most of them
Speaker 4: don't actually believe it, but it is kind of like
Speaker 4: a social status, like they have to do it because
Speaker 4: all their friends are doing it because they're social. Like
Speaker 4: they have to have a boyfriend because their friends have
Speaker 4: a boyfriend. They have to listen to this new song
Speaker 4: because all their friends are listening to this new song
Speaker 4: they have to. It's you know, it's for everything. But
Speaker 4: the ones that really do believe it, and I have
Speaker 4: dated some of those, it's like the most deranged stuff
Speaker 4: you'll ever encounter. I had this one girl who was
Speaker 4: I was over at her place this one time, and
Speaker 4: she was trying to convince me about this book she
Speaker 4: was reading about how men had never actually built anything
Speaker 4: in society and it was always women. And it was
Speaker 4: the most I.
Speaker 6: Like we was but for the foids.
Speaker 4: I guess the Foyds. We was building New York dude.
Speaker 4: I was usually the way I would handle that is
Speaker 4: I would just kind of nod most of the time
Speaker 4: and just be like, oh, yeah, wow, that's crazy, because
Speaker 4: you know, I'm just I'm not trying to reveal, like, hey,
Speaker 4: I voted for Trump because that doesn't go overwelled. I
Speaker 4: did that once and she blocked me, and then she
Speaker 4: unblocked me after like two months. But I would just
Speaker 4: not like talk about my politics. But when that girl
Speaker 4: told me that to my face, I just I couldn't
Speaker 4: control it. I was just like, what the fuck are
Speaker 4: you talking about? What do you mean? Have you ever
Speaker 4: been to a city. Have you ever been inside any
Speaker 4: building ever? Have you used the toilet?
Speaker 6: I've ever seen a construction worker before you?
Speaker 4: You have you used that iPhone? Like, what are you
Speaker 4: talking about? Men have never built any And she was
Speaker 4: serious and I wasn't like too mean, but I should
Speaker 4: have been a little bit more aggressive, maybe because the
Speaker 4: ones that aren't into that, it is like a super
Speaker 4: religious thing. It is a religion. You know. They've replaced
Speaker 4: religion with politics. And when you see women talk about
Speaker 4: how they want some liberal guy who goes to therapy,
Speaker 4: no they don't. I actually because of my job, I
Speaker 4: work with a lot of different types of people. And
Speaker 4: one of the guys I work with, he is a
Speaker 4: communist and he is a liberal dude. He's all that
Speaker 4: stuff that women say they want, and no girl wants
Speaker 4: to date him. In fact, he had a girlfriend at
Speaker 4: one point and he would cry to me all the
Speaker 4: time and he would say, oh, like, my relationship's not
Speaker 4: going over well, I'm talking to my therapists about it.
Speaker 4: It's like, I think I should talk to my girlfriend
Speaker 4: about this. And he's like, I got to express my
Speaker 4: feelings more. And I told him, I told him this.
Speaker 4: I was like, look, when you do that stuff. I
Speaker 4: don't care how feminist your girlfriend is, when you do
Speaker 4: that stuff to her, it makes her less attracted to you.
Speaker 4: She doesn't want to sleep with you, she doesn't want
Speaker 4: to be around you. And he just would not believe it.
Speaker 4: And then like two months after I had that conversation
Speaker 4: with him, he came to me and he said, hey,
Speaker 4: my girlfriend had a conversation about how when I cry
Speaker 4: and stuff in front of her, it makes her not
Speaker 4: want to touch me or be around me. And she
Speaker 4: told him that and then it made him cry even more.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, bro, you got to not listen to
Speaker 4: that advice. It's not good advice, all right, it's not
Speaker 4: gonna you need to just and yeah, she ended up,
Speaker 4: you know, breaking up with him, and it's been pretty
Speaker 4: brutal for him ever since. But there is a like
Speaker 4: a different political alignment that men and women have, and
Speaker 4: it is a religious tribal thing for the women especially well,
Speaker 4: and it's one of those things.
Speaker 6: And I get frustrated when I listened to you know,
Speaker 6: guys who I don't know what they call themselves now,
Speaker 6: though like ten years ago would have been like MRAs right,
Speaker 6: the men's rights activists because like they'll they'll say a
Speaker 6: bunch of stuff and it'll be like that complaint and
Speaker 6: they'll be like, yeah, women need to change. And it's like, dude,
Speaker 6: at one, not how that works for any number of reasons.
Speaker 6: But two, it's like that instinct to be like social
Speaker 6: enforcers in a different era, it's a very healthy thing, right,
Speaker 6: Like if you have you know, a relatively traditional society
Speaker 6: with you know, let's just say some semblance of normal
Speaker 6: human values. Right, this doesn't have to be Western, just
Speaker 6: any society whatsoever. Like having half of your population that
Speaker 6: is really interested in enforcing those values makes a ton
Speaker 6: of sense. And in fact, you actually see this where
Speaker 6: in America up until the nineteen seventies, women were significantly
Speaker 6: more conservative than men. It's actually a relatively recent thing,
Speaker 6: and it kind of makes sense, right, you know, obviously
Speaker 6: in the era you know, before contraception, even on something
Speaker 6: like like we'll just take like you know, sexual moores,
Speaker 6: women have a lot more at stake there, Right, If
Speaker 6: you live in an era without you know, welfare, without
Speaker 6: access to contraception, if you have a kid, that's your problem,
Speaker 6: not problem in that way, but you bear the consequence
Speaker 6: of that where some guy can just hop on a
Speaker 6: train and never be seen again. So it makes sense.
Speaker 6: But the problem is right that the values of society,
Speaker 6: if you want to call them values, have been so
Speaker 6: pervert to the point where that healthy human instinct has
Speaker 6: been completely and totally perverted and twisted to enforce something
Speaker 6: that's completely messed up. And it's interesting. My buddy Darrel
Speaker 6: Cooper Martyr made has this. He talks about this a lot,
Speaker 6: you know, talking about how all of these these cults
Speaker 6: rise up immediately in the wake of the hippie movement,
Speaker 6: and he's talking about this thing where you have people
Speaker 6: who grew up, you know, these early boomers in a
Speaker 6: very traditional society, you know, the kind of stereotypical nineteen
Speaker 6: fifties where you know, okay, look, we understand it. There
Speaker 6: are problems. That isn't like the peak of human civilization,
Speaker 6: but comparatively, you know, it was more traditional. And he
Speaker 6: talks about how, like when that structure goes away, when
Speaker 6: all of a sudden you have people who are you know,
Speaker 6: kind of thrust into like the sexual marketplace, that becomes
Speaker 6: a much more real part of life. You have access
Speaker 6: to contraception, you know, obviously all the other kind of
Speaker 6: you know, social ills that started in the sixties. Well,
Speaker 6: you create a bunch of broken people, you create a
Speaker 6: bunch of people who are looking for something. And so
Speaker 6: it's no surprise that you know, you have a bunch
Speaker 6: of cults, right, you have guys who are saying, I'll
Speaker 6: solve that problem. I'll give you that family unit. And
Speaker 6: I think you see a very similar thing with you know,
Speaker 6: extremely progressive politics. It's like, okay, well you know, and
Speaker 6: look like the position of you know, young women is
Speaker 6: equally and enviable to young men. Sure they have a
Speaker 6: better chance in the job market, but like, really is
Speaker 6: being a corporate girl boss, wage slave a good life?
Speaker 6: Like no, not at all, Like that's a miserable way
Speaker 6: to live. But I think a big part of it
Speaker 6: is that that, in a very like synthetic, unhealthy way,
Speaker 6: those progressive politics become that sense of meaning. It's like, oh,
Speaker 6: here's what you should be doing with your life, here's
Speaker 6: how you become a good person. And it like filters
Speaker 6: in and for people who don't have a lot going on,
Speaker 6: who you know, are unlikely to have families or you
Speaker 6: really have anything fulfilling going on, Like it makes sense
Speaker 6: and like the real difference is that, like, for very
Speaker 6: obvious reasons, that system of belief in what everyone call
Speaker 6: it like progressivism, woke, whatever, pick your term, like it
Speaker 6: does not apply to young white men. And so you know,
Speaker 6: that same kind of social atomization that's affecting everyone is
Speaker 6: making women more progressive, and you know, not necessarily for men.
Speaker 6: I realized I threw a bunch at you there, but
Speaker 6: I've just been kind of thinking about this for a while.
Speaker 4: No, I mean, you're one hundred percent correct. I like,
Speaker 4: with women, it's not their fault they're like this. It's
Speaker 4: definitely there's a lot of different elements and forces that
Speaker 4: kind of all came in together, like what you said
Speaker 4: with the boomers kind of growing up being introduced to
Speaker 4: birth control for the first time in human history. It's
Speaker 4: kind of like the Internet for us. You know, it's
Speaker 4: something that never existed on mass like that, it's this
Speaker 4: new thing. It's gonna have some radical effect on people,
Speaker 4: especially the younger generations. And then you also have like
Speaker 4: propaganda coming from Hollywood and all these different institutions kind
Speaker 4: of at the time that are pushing feminism and all
Speaker 4: these different things. But you know, you were right like
Speaker 4: with a lot of women, for a majority of pretty
Speaker 4: much all society, they're usually really conservative. I think even
Speaker 4: during the women's rights movements, for the suffrage or whatever,
Speaker 4: most women didn't even want the right to vote. It
Speaker 4: was mostly men that actually got that passed. It was
Speaker 4: because that wasn't normal, that wasn't like like a socially
Speaker 4: acceptable thing up until that point. So it's women are
Speaker 4: kind of like the ones that get pushed into accepting
Speaker 4: those things. But at this point you have probably like
Speaker 4: the past like two or three generations where you do
Speaker 4: see feminism, liberalism, all these different things being pushed, and
Speaker 4: a part of it is that it was to you know,
Speaker 4: kind of lift up women while also at the same
Speaker 4: time lifting up minorities and minority men. And then when
Speaker 4: it came to white men, it was always kind of
Speaker 4: about attacking them. And that's why you see with a
Speaker 4: lot of younger men in general, not even just white
Speaker 4: young men, you see a lot of them tend to
Speaker 4: be more conservative because it's it's a rejection of like
Speaker 4: the propaganda and the social engineering that has been compounding
Speaker 4: the past couple generations. Because with young white men and
Speaker 4: gen z especially and even millennials, they get attacked for
Speaker 4: just being men, just being white, and then for non
Speaker 4: white young men, they're getting attacked for being masculine and
Speaker 4: for you know, questioning things, and it's just it's just
Speaker 4: kind of like it's also like the lack of purpose
Speaker 4: as well, Like a lot of young men are finding
Speaker 4: purpose in more traditional values, especially religion, and I think
Speaker 4: gen Z as a whole is probably I keep seeing
Speaker 4: a statistic where it says they're becoming more religious than
Speaker 4: past generations, like younger men.
Speaker 6: Well, and one of the interesting things on this, uh,
Speaker 6: both a solution and a problem is one this is
Speaker 6: the first time in I think it is roughly three
Speaker 6: hundred years of statistics where men are more religious than women.
Speaker 6: It's very very uncommon and interesting. But one of the
Speaker 6: interest like, even within that population of people who regularly
Speaker 6: go to church, there's an interesting split because young men
Speaker 6: are going primarily to extremely traditional denominations. So you've seen
Speaker 6: obviously the Ortho bros are growing up. All of my
Speaker 6: Orthodox friends are very kind, I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 6: Obviously the trad casts and then the more kind of
Speaker 6: stringent forms of Protestantism. But what you're seeing is another
Speaker 6: bifurcation where a lot of these kind of evangelical mega churches,
Speaker 6: the whole sneakers with preachers phenomenon like the stuff you
Speaker 6: see trad casts raging about on the internet. Those churches
Speaker 6: are heavily female and the traditional denominations are heavily male.
Speaker 6: Obviously not all, but again, even in that trend, we
Speaker 6: see this same bifurcation male to female. But I interrupted
Speaker 6: Tom back to you.
Speaker 4: No, no, you're one hundred percent correct. And I actually
Speaker 4: because I was raised in a mega Judeo Christian church.
Speaker 4: So when I was raised in that, I know exactly
Speaker 4: what you're talking about because I got to see like
Speaker 4: those numbers change. And then I left and I became
Speaker 4: an atheist for a while, and then I became an agnostic,
Speaker 4: and then I got saved again a few years ago,
Speaker 4: so you know, thank God. But in that church, like
Speaker 4: in these megachurches, another thing you also see is with
Speaker 4: the men that are there, a lot of them are
Speaker 4: basically they're gay or they're closeted. And I'm not even
Speaker 4: trying to say that to just be offensive. I'm actually
Speaker 4: just being honest. So you have a lot of women
Speaker 4: and the church as a whole This is another thing.
Speaker 4: It's not just conservatives that have covert feminism, but it's
Speaker 4: definitely the religious institutions, the megachurches, they're basically like feminist institutions.
Speaker 4: They'll push a lot of questionable doctrine and they'll use
Speaker 4: the Bible as a way to push that, and it's
Speaker 4: it supports a lot of women's behavior, like modern women's behavior,
Speaker 4: because right now you have a problem with a lack
Speaker 4: of accountability for women, and you also have a problem
Speaker 4: where the state can kind of take care of women,
Speaker 4: and so that's why they don't need men as much.
Speaker 4: But because of the trends of where things are going,
Speaker 4: men are becoming more traditional, going to actually more traditional churches,
Speaker 4: not following those those same prinds as women becoming more conservative,
Speaker 4: and not even just like the establishment conservative, they're becoming
Speaker 4: more dissident, right, you could say, because of that, eventually
Speaker 4: you will find I feel like more women following that path.
Speaker 4: And you see that even like online, you see a
Speaker 4: lot of women kind of repeating the same type of
Speaker 4: rhetoric that you'd see. You see a lot of young
Speaker 4: women that are starting to like Nick Fuintes and like
Speaker 4: all these different people because that's like a trend. Like
Speaker 4: they're going to the churches, they're going to the the
Speaker 4: RNC conventions, and they're not finding their husband because all
Speaker 4: the men aren't going there anymore, you know, they're going
Speaker 4: somewhere else. And it is kind of crazy that, like
Speaker 4: you have all these splits, and you have the the
Speaker 4: the differences with politics, and then now you have the
Speaker 4: differences with religion, and it's just constantly just splitting more
Speaker 4: and more. You have women that are going off becoming
Speaker 4: girl bosses, and then you have a lot of men
Speaker 4: that are just checking out of society and they're just like,
Speaker 4: you know what, whatever. And it's very interesting. But it's definitely,
Speaker 4: in my opinion, probably the biggest problem our society has,
Speaker 4: and whether or not it can be fixed just by
Speaker 4: you know, waiting it out or through propaganda or you
Speaker 4: know whatever. Because propaganda works on women. That's the problem. Like,
Speaker 4: that's the reason why they are.
Speaker 6: Have you caught this whole like clavical saga or whatever.
Speaker 6: I'm bringing this up for a reason.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the clav Yeah, he's a very interesting character. I
Speaker 4: think he's really funny.
Speaker 6: But I do too. I just want to say here
Speaker 6: at the j Burtons show you should not smoke math
Speaker 6: tr cheekbones look better. I'm not a medical doctor, but
Speaker 6: I believe that that is.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But the reason, well, that's exactly what I was gonna say,
Speaker 6: because like when I was on like super weird weightlifting
Speaker 6: forums and like fit back like ten years ago, bone
Speaker 6: smashing was a meme, like it was a joke, and
Speaker 6: like so many of those very niche things, and you
Speaker 6: see this in health and wellness in particular, have like
Speaker 6: hit the algorithm and gone mainstream in a really weird way.
Speaker 6: And there's this meme. But it's it's true. I mean,
Speaker 6: it's it's my relationship in many others, right, it's racist boyfriend,
Speaker 6: crunchy girlfriend, right, the girl who's into you know, like
Speaker 6: alternative health and all that. And so to your point
Speaker 6: about propaganda, I mean it's basically what where a lot
Speaker 6: of it starts. You know, you see the like you
Speaker 6: know that and I hate the term tried way for
Speaker 6: like six different reasons, but like that whole mean complex
Speaker 6: you know around you know, the kind of like purity,
Speaker 6: and it starts often. It's funny because even like the
Speaker 6: progressive press realizes this, you know, they talk about how uh,
Speaker 6: you know natural like natural uh, cosmetics or a gateway
Speaker 6: to the alt right, And I realized, like that word
Speaker 6: doesn't mean anything, but they're identifying something real. That the
Speaker 6: leap from the kind of like you know, hippie, you
Speaker 6: know the government's trying to poison you through the food
Speaker 6: or you know, some medical treatment or whatever to a
Speaker 6: more tradition view that's not a huge jump, really, and
Speaker 6: you're seeing a lot of that again through propaganda. I
Speaker 6: think aditionally, one of the trends that I think has
Speaker 6: been kind of fun to watch is effectively like, look
Speaker 6: like all human politics is patronage, right, patron client you
Speaker 6: give me this for that? Like it? A lot of
Speaker 6: it comes down to that, and as like things get worse, right,
Speaker 6: as the economy gets worse, as you know AI and
Speaker 6: then legal immigration, which is what we were supposed to
Speaker 6: be talking about. We haven't even mentioned ninety five percent
Speaker 6: of the way through the show. But as those trends continue,
Speaker 6: the bribes, the quality goes down, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: you know, you're not you know, you don't have this
Speaker 6: cool job where you can you know, sit on your
Speaker 6: laptop in the pool as a project manager. That doesn't
Speaker 6: exist anymore, and so that bribe, right, that patronage being offered,
Speaker 6: that deal gets worse, and all of a sudden, right,
Speaker 6: you have an opening, right, Like that's an opportunity for
Speaker 6: propaganda to work, because you know the old line, like
Speaker 6: it's very difficult for a man or a woman in
Speaker 6: this case to notice something he's paid not to, right,
Speaker 6: he's bribed to stay kind of as you know Andrew
Speaker 6: Tate would say in the matrix. But like when that
Speaker 6: capacity goes away, when there isn't all that surplus in
Speaker 6: the system to keep bribing people to have those kind
Speaker 6: of laptop jobs or you know, as the meme goes
Speaker 6: you know, jew daycare, right, if you don't have the
Speaker 6: money to keep that going like that, I think that
Speaker 6: there's an interesting opening there. I don't know that's that's
Speaker 6: more speculative, and I think that that's a trend where
Speaker 6: at the kind of early end of but yeah, I
Speaker 6: think it'll be interesting to see how much of those values,
Speaker 6: which are synthetic, like they are pushed because you know,
Speaker 6: that's what's high status, that's what good people do. How
Speaker 6: much of that goes away when the money dries up.
Speaker 6: Just me kind of spitballing there.
Speaker 4: No, I mean yeah, I think the big question is
Speaker 4: how many people are going to double down because they
Speaker 4: know they were drinking the kool aid and they kept
Speaker 4: drinking it. And now the money's gone and the propaganda's gone,
Speaker 4: but they're still left with the fact that they were
Speaker 4: drinking the kool aid and they're telling all their friends
Speaker 4: about it for the past twelve years, so they don't
Speaker 4: want to look stupid. And you know, people, because we're
Speaker 4: very prideful, they will double down on things. So it's
Speaker 4: it's kind of crazy to see because this society, because
Speaker 4: of the propaganda towards women, it's pushed younger women, especially
Speaker 4: into certain areas that are very they're very radical, Like
Speaker 4: a big portion of women are getting into sex work
Speaker 4: and doing stuff like OnlyFans. I know a ton of
Speaker 4: girls that I grew up with, Like, it's actually insane.
Speaker 4: And I know this is anecdotal, but it's insane. How
Speaker 4: many women I know personally that I grew up with
Speaker 4: that gotten to OnlyFans. It's actually it's crazy, and most
Speaker 4: of them still don't. They don't do it anymore because
Speaker 4: if any of them made money doing it, you know,
Speaker 4: they couldn't continuously make money because it's very competitive and
Speaker 4: it's a business, and they don't think of it like
Speaker 4: that when they get into it. But the pictures and
Speaker 4: the videos are online and they stay online forever, so
Speaker 4: they've kind of they put some mileage on essentially, and
Speaker 4: because of that, it pushes them into different areas. They
Speaker 4: become radical feminists, they become radical liberals, They get into
Speaker 4: all these different weird beliefs and stuff. And so when
Speaker 4: the propaganda dies down, when all of that goes away,
Speaker 4: are they going to change? I feel like a lot
Speaker 4: of them will, because a lot of them do want
Speaker 4: those traditional families, they want kids. But how many are not?
Speaker 4: You know, how many are going to just continuously push
Speaker 4: all these things because they couldn't be wrong?
Speaker 6: Well? Do like? This is what I think about the
Speaker 6: about the troons, right, the the guys who have you know,
Speaker 6: bought into this. I'm I gonna get a strike for saying, guys,
Speaker 6: whatever I said truns the uh this parody. Uh. The
Speaker 6: the people who've bought into this more than anything else,
Speaker 6: who've literally have put their bodies on the line. And
Speaker 6: we understand right that these people are literally hooked up
Speaker 6: to a medical drip for the rest of their lives
Speaker 6: at taxpayer and also personal expense. And you see this
Speaker 6: and uh, you know the d transitioners. My buddy Benjamin Boyce,
Speaker 6: he interviews a lot of people who de transition and
Speaker 6: you know, I don't I'm not going to pretend to
Speaker 6: listen to all of them, but if you listen to
Speaker 6: a couple of them, you'll pick up on really interesting things.
Speaker 6: And one of the things that they talk about is
Speaker 6: that this immense feeling of buying and it's like leaving
Speaker 6: a cult where you know, if you go out, not
Speaker 6: only are you all of a sudden having to pay
Speaker 6: your self your insurance won't cover detransitioning or getting off
Speaker 6: of this. So that's an element of buy in. But
Speaker 6: also you're a trader. Everyone you have surrounded yourself with
Speaker 6: thinks your scum of the earth. And especially when on
Speaker 6: the front end of that, you know, when you're going
Speaker 6: through your transition, you're encouraged to, you know, cut people
Speaker 6: out of your life to socially isolate yourself, like those
Speaker 6: people are bought in. And you see it in you
Speaker 6: know this this kid that shot Charlie Kirk, who's obviously
Speaker 6: involved in a bunch of weird gender stuff through his
Speaker 6: boy or girlfriend if he was talking about this. But
Speaker 6: also right like that that kid who shot likes three Hondurans,
Speaker 6: you know, trying to take out an ice center, where
Speaker 6: it's like, yeah, it's basically like all of these And again,
Speaker 6: these are, let's be honest, young white men who are
Speaker 6: experiencing the same sort of radical, radicalizing forces we've been
Speaker 6: talking about. But they were able to buy in to
Speaker 6: the progressive plantation at this at the cost of their bodies,
Speaker 6: and now they are more bought in than anyone else.
Speaker 6: They're in these kind of like pressure cookers, and so
Speaker 6: like you basically have like sleeper cells all across America,
Speaker 6: and not just in liberal areas, because thanks to the
Speaker 6: wonders of the Internet and algorithms, you can have a
Speaker 6: kid in a three hundred person town in Alabama who
Speaker 6: you know, sees the same content as some blue haired
Speaker 6: barista from Brooklyn, and so like, dude, that's a huge problem.
Speaker 6: And when we're talking about buy in, like those are
Speaker 6: the most bought in people in the world. They are
Speaker 6: physically dependent on you know, like the libtardich. Basically like
Speaker 6: their body stops working if they don't get their you know,
Speaker 6: government sponsored hormones, like they'll literally either die or you know,
Speaker 6: have very serious medical complications, let alone all the like
Speaker 6: the psychic brainwashing, and you know the social dynamics too.
Speaker 6: And I think that like if we're talking about like
Speaker 6: who can come back, right, who can normalize? To be honest, man, like,
Speaker 6: look like this is can the most sexist thing I
Speaker 6: say on this? Women don't really have political opinions in
Speaker 6: the same way. You know, it's it's a different it's
Speaker 6: a different thing. And so like this is funny. I've
Speaker 6: said this before. It'll make her bad if she hears it,
Speaker 6: but like you know how like on your iPhone it'll
Speaker 6: show you like your memories or whatever. Now I found
Speaker 6: one from like twenty fifteen or she was a teenage
Speaker 6: or whatever, but it said something like, you know, don't
Speaker 6: try and get with me if you can't get with
Speaker 6: my feminist agenda or whatever. And she's looking back on this,
Speaker 6: you know, ten years later, like just cringing out of
Speaker 6: her skin, so embarrassed, you know, married to a niche
Speaker 6: you know, right wing internet. And so the point is
Speaker 6: like that's largely salvageable, Like, Okay, whatever we can work
Speaker 6: with that, but like the true the guy who's you know,
Speaker 6: cut his dick off to be bunt, you know, who's
Speaker 6: medically dependent on the state. It's like some of those
Speaker 6: guys will come back, and you know, there are de transitioners,
Speaker 6: but like that's basically like an army Okay, like a
Speaker 6: mentally unwell, physically frail one, but still like enough to
Speaker 6: you know, grab Grandpa's hunting rifle and like ventilate someone's gardener.
Speaker 4: Mmmm. Now one hundred percent. And I mean they're they're
Speaker 4: making militias, they're making groups. It's all over the internet.
Speaker 4: It's a thing. I I did a stream with Focus Trip.
Speaker 4: He's a gun YouTuber. Surprisingly enough, I'm actually connected with
Speaker 4: a bunch of gun YouTubers because.
Speaker 6: One thing I've actually also talked to Focused Trip.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: This is a weird connection.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, yeah, I love him. I love him.
Speaker 4: But he's actually one of the reasons why I blew
Speaker 4: up because they reacted to one of my videos and
Speaker 4: then they brought me on to like interview me.
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Speaker 4: And I got to meet like a whole bunch of
Speaker 4: like his friends, and so I'm connected with like like
Speaker 4: a lot of those guys. And we talked about those
Speaker 4: militia groups, the Truon militia groups, and it's crazy, dude,
Speaker 4: Like they they really are training and it is a thing.
Speaker 4: You know, they are bought in and they are just
Speaker 4: like sleeper soldiers all over the US. And they don't care.
Speaker 4: You know, they'll if they're willing enough to do whatever
Speaker 4: they believe in, they'll they'll gladly sacrifice their life to
Speaker 4: take anybody out of.
Speaker 6: It's crazy, especially when like, let's be honest, it's not
Speaker 6: like these guys have a lot going on, Like they
Speaker 6: are like socially isolated, terminally online, and so like all
Speaker 6: that rhetoric around, you know, ashesm and like the threat
Speaker 6: to our democracy. It's like, yeah, sure, you know, your
Speaker 6: liberal aunt says that. She says that, but does she
Speaker 6: does she believe it to the degree or she's going
Speaker 6: to you know, pick up a rifle. No, she doesn't,
Speaker 6: for any number of reasons, let alone the fact that
Speaker 6: you know, this hypothetical person's fifty five years old. But like,
Speaker 6: you take a socially maladjusted loser, right, someone who is,
Speaker 6: you know, partially due to their own actions, partially due
Speaker 6: to the sort of systemic issues we've talked about, dropped
Speaker 6: out of society. You dope them up on SSRI's exogenous
Speaker 6: hormones and feed like surround them with other mentally well freaks,
Speaker 6: and then you know, tell them this guy is literally
Speaker 6: going to genocide you, you know, like all the rhetoric
Speaker 6: around like transgenocide or whatever, like yeah, no shit, dude,
Speaker 6: Like this stuff is like this is gonna happen, And honestly,
Speaker 6: like I've been kind of surprised it hasn't happened. More
Speaker 6: like there's a specific example you're talking about. There's this
Speaker 6: article in Wired magazine. I did a stream talking about
Speaker 6: it with my buddy Carl, and it's exactly that. Like
Speaker 6: it's this progressive magazine talking about these like oh they
Speaker 6: call them two A for all, but these like I
Speaker 6: think that yeah, yeah, And it's in like the most
Speaker 6: fawning language, you know, just gratuitously talking about how cool
Speaker 6: and glamorous these is this you know, a militia is.
Speaker 6: And you know, you got to understand the audience of
Speaker 6: Wired magazine is not the people who are in that,
Speaker 6: but it's for like the normal progressives. Is kind of
Speaker 6: like this signaling of like, oh, this is a cool thing,
Speaker 6: this is glamorous, this is bashing the fash or whatever. However,
Speaker 6: realized that turns fifteen years out of date, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean? And like, dude, like you're already seeing
Speaker 6: this with this uh funny enough lesbian who got you
Speaker 6: know shot in uh you know in Minnesota where it's
Speaker 6: like this is a powder keg. And like, I'm honestly
Speaker 6: surprised we've gotten relatively speaking, the minimal amount of political
Speaker 6: violence we've already have.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's gonna get worse for sure, especially coming
Speaker 4: from like those groups. And I mean, like with a
Speaker 4: lot of those troons as well. There's and I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna say this is all of them, but a lot
Speaker 4: of them. They do that stuff for attention, especially from females,
Speaker 4: cause a lot of women nowadays, they'll see somebody doing
Speaker 4: that and they'll give them support, they'll give them attention,
Speaker 4: and they'll be like, oh, yeah, you're you're so strong,
Speaker 4: you're so beautiful, and it gives them attention that they'd
Speaker 4: never had because they are isolated, they are alone, they
Speaker 4: are put on all these drugs, and it's just it's
Speaker 4: just not going to lead to anything good or fruitful whatsoever.
Speaker 4: And it's not normal, so it's never gonna be fully
Speaker 4: accepted by society. So it's always going to lead to
Speaker 4: something like this. But that's going to be a pretty
Speaker 4: big challenge. But I would also argue that, and yeah,
Speaker 4: like women, you know, like you said, they don't really
Speaker 4: have political beliefs. But that's why, you know, it's not
Speaker 4: really politics. It's like a religion to all these people.
Speaker 4: It is a tribe it is tribalism. It's almost as
Speaker 4: if it is a race thing for them. They are
Speaker 4: on one side of the aisle, and you disagreeing with them,
Speaker 4: you're on the other. You're the enemy. You must be killed,
Speaker 4: you must be destroyed. At the very least, your ideology
Speaker 4: must be dominated, because your ideology, your beliefs, lead to death.
Speaker 4: And you know, it takes away women's rights, and it
Speaker 4: takes away truons, rites, and it suppresses liberty or whatever.
Speaker 4: Like they have all these different examples, and so for
Speaker 4: a lot of women that are getting radicalized as well,
Speaker 4: Like you talked about the lesbian and Minnesota, I mean,
Speaker 4: women are getting pushed pretty far too. They might not
Speaker 4: be going through surgeries, but they're doing things that are
Speaker 4: pretty pretty bad. They're like I said, the sex work thing.
Speaker 4: You have a lot of women that are getting into
Speaker 4: only fans, and if they're not doing only fans, they're
Speaker 4: being pressured into doing certain sex acts or doing things
Speaker 4: like going to group stuff. I don't want to say
Speaker 4: the word on YouTube, but like you have a lot
Speaker 4: of women that get radicalized and pushed to do things
Speaker 4: that they probably would not have done if they weren't
Speaker 4: a programmed to do so, and so you're gonna have
Speaker 4: them mixed with the truons kind of double down even
Speaker 4: when the propaganda stops, like stops, because they're gonna still
Speaker 4: talk to each other and hang out with each other
Speaker 4: and isolate with each other, and they're just gonna keep
Speaker 4: It's gonna be like a feedback loop. The propaganda doesn't stop,
Speaker 4: like they're gonna still feed into each other's delusions, and
Speaker 4: you will see more and more violence coming from this.
Speaker 4: And it's gonna be mostly coming from the men, of course,
Speaker 4: because men are the ones that are more often, you know,
Speaker 4: capable of violence. But it's it's very scary, man, because
Speaker 4: I'm somebody who likes to go out. I I like
Speaker 4: going out. I like going out with friends, I like
Speaker 4: going to concerts. I like going out and dancing. I'm
Speaker 4: a very festive social person. But recently, you know, I've
Speaker 4: had to like think twice about going to certain places
Speaker 4: because it's like something could go down. There could be
Speaker 4: some crazy person there that could actually just just go off.
Speaker 4: There could be a bomb, there could be whatever. Like
Speaker 4: society in America, like it's it's getting very violent, and
Speaker 4: it's disturbing.
Speaker 6: Dude, that to that point, like, you know, I realized
Speaker 6: it's it's poor form to talk about your weapons and
Speaker 6: right wing politics in the same conversation for obvious reasons.
Speaker 6: Not that it's ever stopped me, but like I you know,
Speaker 6: carry it gone for a number of reasons. But it
Speaker 6: was never something I did at church until like that
Speaker 6: sort of flurry. You remember the the really bizarre instance
Speaker 6: of that Catholic church shooting right where the shooter was,
Speaker 6: you know, drawing pictures of demons and my whole symbology
Speaker 6: and all that.
Speaker 4: Dude, Yeah, that.
Speaker 6: Was yeah, And so you start to look at that
Speaker 6: and you're like, okay, like sure, is that political violence
Speaker 6: in the same way as saying, you know, writing you know,
Speaker 6: a leftist slogan on a bullet and you know, blasting
Speaker 6: it at the heat of TPUSA Like well guess and no.
Speaker 6: And it's like clear that you know, for people of
Speaker 6: that persuasion, like religious communities are a target, like I know,
Speaker 6: you know a religious school in the area that I'm
Speaker 6: vaguely connected to, who as a surprising amount of security
Speaker 6: for exactly that reason. I mean, you saw the you know,
Speaker 6: the Audrey Hill, one of the few female shooters shot
Speaker 6: up that Christian School. But like it's clear because even
Speaker 6: after like you know, Roe versus Wade was overturned right again,
Speaker 6: you know, conservative area, you know, conservative church. But like
Speaker 6: there were cars in the parking lot that got there,
Speaker 6: you know, their tires slashed and their mirrors broken off.
Speaker 6: In the middle of the service. They're like, Okay, that's
Speaker 6: not like the biggest deal in the world, you know, like, Okay,
Speaker 6: you may have to file for insurance. That sucks, But
Speaker 6: like that's a sign of something, right that that place
Speaker 6: is a hard people are aware of that and have
Speaker 6: antipathy towards that, And yeah, man, like I don't think
Speaker 6: that's going anywhere. If anything, I think it's you know,
Speaker 6: heating up. And like I think that it's clear that
Speaker 6: there is someone, whoever they is. You know, we can
Speaker 6: maybe talk about that later, you know, dig into it
Speaker 6: after the fact. But like there was an attempt to
Speaker 6: turn this woman who got you know, blasted in Minnesota
Speaker 6: into like, you know, a similar like George Floyd's situation,
Speaker 6: you know, an effort to like cynically use that to
Speaker 6: promote political violence. And again it's like, look like I
Speaker 6: don't obviously I don't have anything in common with those people,
Speaker 6: but like political violence is bad for everyone. Like I
Speaker 6: don't want to live in a country where there's like
Speaker 6: the it's like an Italian years of lead, right, just
Speaker 6: like a running gun battle in the street, but at
Speaker 6: the same time, like the temperature is not decreasing. And
Speaker 6: so yeah, man, I think, like, to me, that's one
Speaker 6: of the trends that I've been wanting. I mean, dude,
Speaker 6: even going back to the first Trump administration, when Antifa
Speaker 6: suddenly sprung into existence, it's like, this is not a
Speaker 6: good thing to have happened in society, you know, regardless
Speaker 6: of your political opinions.
Speaker 4: Now one hundred percent it's and I mean we've been
Speaker 4: talking constantly about it, you know, politics and all these
Speaker 4: different things, but it is obviously spiritual at the same time,
Speaker 4: one hundred percent, there is spiritual warfare going on in
Speaker 4: this country. A lot of people do not like talking
Speaker 4: about that because it's very uncomfortable for a lot of
Speaker 4: people to talk about because it's it's almost impossible for
Speaker 4: everybody to comprehend what that is. But there is obviously
Speaker 4: something spiritual with this. When you see somebody who's a
Speaker 4: truon who's drawing pictures of themselves being a demon in
Speaker 4: their journal and talking about how they've wanted to end
Speaker 4: it all for a long time, and they decide, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go to a school with a bunch of little
Speaker 4: kids and I'm gonna just start shooting them. There is
Speaker 4: something more. It's not the fact that they hate these
Speaker 4: people because these religious people don't like abortion or they
Speaker 4: don't accept my way of life or whatever. There is
Speaker 4: something more. People are being compelled to do these things
Speaker 4: on some level. I know a lot of people are
Speaker 4: gonna disagree with me. A lot of people don't like
Speaker 4: talking about that. I get it, but it's just true,
Speaker 4: and you know, it's not stopping, and it's not going
Speaker 4: to stop. This is going to get worse, and unfortunately,
Speaker 4: I don't think we've seen even half as bad as
Speaker 4: it's probably gonna get. I think the future of this country,
Speaker 4: especially in regards to violence in general, it's just gonna
Speaker 4: heat up more and more. And we just have to realize,
Speaker 4: as like men, whether younger men, older men, we're entering
Speaker 4: harder and harder times in this nation. You know, we're
Speaker 4: our life are you know, time in this on this
Speaker 4: earth is not going to be easy. We're going to
Speaker 4: be tested by a lot of different things, and this
Speaker 4: is one of them. And I truly do believe it
Speaker 4: is a spiritual aspect because people are being compelled by
Speaker 4: so many different forces and they're abandoning God. And even
Speaker 4: in a lot of the churches, the churches themselves, these megachurches,
Speaker 4: these aren't real. What they're teaching people isn't real. It's fake.
Speaker 4: It's for show it. It is pushing political agendas, it
Speaker 4: is pushing, you know, heresy in a lot of ways.
Speaker 4: And I'm not going to comment on which church does what.
Speaker 4: That's not for us to talk about here. I guess
Speaker 4: today that could be a whole other conversation. But it
Speaker 4: is true. And now you have people who are turning
Speaker 4: to religion and it's not even honestly real. It's hollow
Speaker 4: and it's fake. And you have people that need a purpose,
Speaker 4: they need a belonging, and you see these troons, you
Speaker 4: see these people they find that in these communities, and
Speaker 4: a lot of these communities are designed to groom people
Speaker 4: and to essentially radicalize them to become violent. That's something
Speaker 4: people don't like talking about. But there's a lot of
Speaker 4: these groups all over the internet, and that's their whole
Speaker 4: goal is to just get people to become violent and
Speaker 4: to do things to other people or to themselves, and
Speaker 4: that's evil. Like there are people like the uh I'm
Speaker 4: not going to say the specific names because I don't
Speaker 4: want to talk about it, but there's certain groups where
Speaker 4: that's their whole mo. They go on to mental health forums,
Speaker 4: they go on to sites like Roadblocks or you know, Fortnite,
Speaker 4: all these different games, and they look for kids that
Speaker 4: are struggling, befriend them, They get them onto discords and
Speaker 4: then they start you know, befriending them and all these
Speaker 4: different things, and then essentially they get the kids to
Speaker 4: send them stuff that they shouldn't send them, and then
Speaker 4: they start exploiting them. And then they sometimes they get
Speaker 4: the kids to do violent things to either other people
Speaker 4: or to animals, or to even themselves. And the whole purpose,
Speaker 4: the whole reasoning behind these groups doing these things is
Speaker 4: simply because they're nihilistic and they just hate society and
Speaker 4: they hate people. There's something evil in that.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and look like I realize you know, it's
Speaker 6: also weird because when you and I think the government's
Speaker 6: calling it like violent nihilistic extremism, which is, you know,
Speaker 6: a stupid government term. But you do see this genuine
Speaker 6: like edge lord horseshoe theory where it's like Satan worshiping,
Speaker 6: neo Nazi, communist trumans, like the most incoherent random ideology
Speaker 6: all thrown together. I did a series I can't remember
Speaker 6: the guy that I did it with. Well one, I've
Speaker 6: been doing this longer series with my friend Thomas seven
Speaker 6: seven about occult violence in the US going back to
Speaker 6: the fifties and sixties. So people are interested, can go
Speaker 6: look that up. But also I did a show talking
Speaker 6: about the Order of nine angles. Oh yeah, is one
Speaker 6: of several instances. And that's a weird one because it's
Speaker 6: always difficult to say, like how much of this real,
Speaker 6: how much of this is edgy for attention stuff on
Speaker 6: the internet, and people can debate that among yourselves. But like, nonetheless,
Speaker 6: there is a deliberate targeting and grooming operation to get
Speaker 6: kids in, get them to incriminate themselves, get them to
Speaker 6: basically buy into this and then do something horrible, which
Speaker 6: is the same mechanism that we see with the trand stuff,
Speaker 6: we see with the the sex work stuff or anything else.
Speaker 6: It's this idea of compromising yourself so that you're bought in. Right.
Speaker 6: It's like it's the same thing as like, you know,
Speaker 6: fraternities do this where they like, you know, they make
Speaker 6: a bunch of guys do some minor crime together, you know,
Speaker 6: like steal a sign and that's harmless enough, right, it's mischief.
Speaker 6: But the idea is you're bonded in that, right, It's
Speaker 6: like you're you're blooded in. You know, you've made your bones.
Speaker 6: It's like your criminal organization would say, yeah, man, and
Speaker 6: I'm glad you brought up roadblocks, because look, I'm it's
Speaker 6: never really a roblocks kid. I lived out in the
Speaker 6: middle of nowhere without Internet, so you know, I kind
Speaker 6: of I got to it late. But like that and
Speaker 6: many other platforms are very clearly facilitating this. And I
Speaker 6: mean Discord again, right, the Charlie Kirk shooting, you know,
Speaker 6: others have been basically planned and facilitated on Discord. And look, man,
Speaker 6: you've been around for long enough, same as I. You
Speaker 6: were aware that if you or I take our opinions
Speaker 6: to a certain degree and post certain symbols will be
Speaker 6: nuked from orbit. Like ID accounts nuked on Discord for
Speaker 6: being in a server with the guy that got nuked,
Speaker 6: Like I didn't even say anything, but that stuff's fine.
Speaker 6: And to your point about this being sort of like
Speaker 6: a religious war or war of belief, it just as
Speaker 6: we wrap this up like one of the things, I
Speaker 6: think that's kind of like you could almost look at
Speaker 6: it as like darkly comedic or like a you know,
Speaker 6: a silver lining to this cloud is like, well, everyone agrees,
Speaker 6: like even Jordan Peterson ten years ago agree that that
Speaker 6: young men are facing a crisis of meaning where it's like, okay,
Speaker 6: like you're like Alex Jones, is directionally true, you're fighting
Speaker 6: satanic pedophiles, Like yeah, that's some meaning to your life,
Speaker 6: you know, like that's that's something to do, right, that's
Speaker 6: more than just pure nihilism. And so there's a weird
Speaker 6: way in which it's almost like I wonder if that
Speaker 6: will you know, create the purpose that many young men need,
Speaker 6: not you know, just the like ultra edgelort stuff on
Speaker 6: the internet, but like the fact that like this is
Speaker 6: becoming a like very kind of choosing my words carefully here,
Speaker 6: but like a genuine like religious struggle between two mutually
Speaker 6: more than two but like mutually incompatible visions of what
Speaker 6: it is to be a country, what it is to
Speaker 6: be a man, what is to be human? Even right
Speaker 6: if you look at the like crazy transhumanist stuff and like,
Speaker 6: I don't know, I think that, you know, the the
Speaker 6: turn to religion is in many ways of reaction to that.
Speaker 6: But Tom Man, we have gone over time. This has
Speaker 6: been a great conversation. So we mentioned obviously you have
Speaker 6: a YouTube channel, but what do you do on it
Speaker 6: and where else can people find you?
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, well, uh yeah, I have a YouTube channel.
Speaker 4: I just do political conversation pieces. I record my thoughts
Speaker 4: on like pretty much whatever, if it's something that just
Speaker 4: recently happened in the news, or if it's issues kind
Speaker 4: of like what we've been talking about, and it's basically
Speaker 4: just me having a conversation. It's that's kind of how
Speaker 4: I see it. It's like I'm having a conversation with
Speaker 4: whoever's watching the video. And it's very simple, very bare bones.
Speaker 4: It's nothing crazy, no fancy editing. Every once in a
Speaker 4: while I'll do something, but that's pretty much it. I
Speaker 4: just have think pieces and I don't write scripts or anything.
Speaker 4: It's just kind of like my unfiltered thoughts and I
Speaker 4: just discuss, like different issues and problems, and I have
Speaker 4: it on YouTube as well as Rumble, and you can
Speaker 4: find me on YouTube and Rumble at just Tomfoe. I
Speaker 4: believe there's only one other person that has tomfo on
Speaker 4: YouTube and he stole my name and he makes music.
Speaker 4: But you'll get me first when you look it up,
Speaker 4: and on Rumble it's just tomfo And then I'm on X.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty active on X as well, and that's under
Speaker 4: tomfo one and that's where you'll get the You just
Speaker 4: find the picture of the chicken and that's where I'll
Speaker 4: be at. But no, man, Like, I really am grateful
Speaker 4: that I got to come on here and have this
Speaker 4: conversation with you. I'm sorry we didn't get to talk
Speaker 4: about the two topic that we were like wanting to discuss,
Speaker 4: but this was very interesting. I feel like I feel
Speaker 4: like we could definitely do this again. For sure.
Speaker 6: I have to have you on again. It's funny because
Speaker 6: every time, and I understand why, people you know, ask
Speaker 6: me like, Hey, what are we going to talk about?
Speaker 6: And I always kind of like internally smile because I'm like, Ah,
Speaker 6: this is what I say. We're going to talk about.
Speaker 6: City happens. But yeah, man, the uh, one more thing,
Speaker 6: we'll wrap this up. But it's funny you talk about,
Speaker 6: you know, getting go the internet into finding someone else
Speaker 6: that shares your name. My name, no one else has
Speaker 6: but my old profile picture which I just found.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: It turns out and it's a very similar to the
Speaker 6: one I have now. But it turns out it was
Speaker 6: just an image I found on the internet that was
Speaker 6: originally from some like nineteen year old art student in
Speaker 6: Korea who'd done this study. And all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: I see this kid like freaking out. He's like, wait
Speaker 6: a minute, what have you done with my art? Why
Speaker 6: are you associating me? Bro? And so I changed. I
Speaker 6: felt i'd even think about it, right, Like you just
Speaker 6: pick a photo. I mean, you realize it's literally in
Speaker 6: some kid's resume. You're like, oh, well that sucks. I'm sorry,
Speaker 6: I will change it. The damage is done, I guess.
Speaker 6: But yeah, understandably he did not want the association, and
Speaker 6: I guess I don't blame him. Yeah, everyone should check
Speaker 6: out tomfo stuff. It's great of at linked in the description.
Speaker 6: As far as my stuff, the Jay Burdens Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube,
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Speaker 6: know the ads are annoying, but like I got a mortgage, man,
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Speaker 6: Remote Fitness Coaching. I was talking to JD actually this morning.
Speaker 6: In addition to obviously like the group chat and the
Speaker 6: workout stuff where you can call me gay, which is
Speaker 6: really the main reason I think people use that group chat,
Speaker 6: you also get access to JD, who's very good at
Speaker 6: what he does, and he'll check up on you right
Speaker 6: Like he was just saying, like, hey, man, how is
Speaker 6: this working? Which you know, again, for what you pay
Speaker 6: is is a pretty good deal. And JD's a friend
Speaker 6: and look, he supported me for years now he should
Speaker 6: support him again. Tom In, this was great. We'll have
Speaker 6: to have you back on sometime.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure, definitely, definitely, thank you man. I really
Speaker 4: appreciate it.
Speaker 6: To everyone at home, keep your head up. I can't
Speaker 6: last forever. Good Night,