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Speaker 6: All right, tomfo, welcome to the Jay Burdon Show. How
you doing that?
Speaker 4: I'm doing great. Thank you for having me on. Man,
it's really appreciate the invite, and I'm excited for this conversation.
Speaker 6: Yeah, dude, I am too. It's always fun, like the
Internet's a big place because every once in a while
I discover like these sort of gems where it's like
I don't know how I've never seen your stuff before.
You do a style of video. That's when I say
it's like they don't make them anymore. I'm not insulting you.
I'm saying I wish they would, but it's kind of
a lost art on YouTube. And rumble right, the videos
you put out, they're well done. So yeah, man, I'm
really excited to be recommended your stuff and then to
get you on the show man what.
Speaker 4: I really appreciate that. And and yeah, I like a
lot of people don't really do the type of content
I do. It's just kind of simple and it's not
overthinking it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting. It is sort of like and I'm
a feeling we're roughly the same age and so of
proportionally to our life spend spend a lot of time
on YouTube, and you sort of see these different trends,
you know, and this is kind of the era of
like the three hour video, you know, the documentary on xshy.
Yeah exactly, And you know, I'll enjoy some of that
from time to time, but I do kind of miss
the era of the response video, you know, like maybe
it's nostalgia, but it is something you don't see much anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, for sure, I can't do too many of
the video essays anymore because they're like Netflix documentaries and
it's like it's way too much. I just like the
the more simpler stuff. There's a few other YouTubers who
do this style of content, and they're actually the reason
why I do it. They inspired me. Like Jimmy Talks
is one of them, for sure. He just puts gameplay
in talks and that's it.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, look like the very similar reason to
why I have an interview show. You know, I saw
other people doing it and I was like, oh, I
feel like I have something to add, or like I
wish I could have said something, and writing out of
YouTube comment you realize really quickly it's like, oh, this
is an unfulfilling waste of time, and I guess you
can just do things right. As the meme goes, Yeah, dude,
I'm curious, and I'm not asking you to give a
super kind of detailed breakdown, but like, how do you
get an interested in politics? Because look, you know niche
writ wing politics is bigger than it's ever been, but
you know, it's still not something that you know, every
person you bump into is familiar with So how do
you end up here?
Speaker 4: Uh, well, definitely just online all the time. That's that's
number one. But uh, I got into politics right before
I turned eighteen, So I turned eighteen the year Trump
was running, So that was the first time I got
to vote, and I got like super into the drama,
and I became a pretty big Trump supporter, and I
was just kind of energized. I feel like twenty sixteen
was a big energizing year for politics. A lot of people,
even people who were older, got interested in it because
it was kind of like a TV show. There's a
lot of drama between the candidates, and you had the
debates that were crazy, and then you had all the
stuff happening online. Like twenty sixteen was the first election
in my opinion, that was really kind of online. You
had all the Facebook stuff, the Instagram stuff. You had
stuff going on with like wiki leaks where they were
leaking emails from the government and Hillary Clinton's emails, and
then there was a big conspiracy with the Pizzagate stuff,
like all the trafficking. And so the first year I
kind of got into politics, I was just online all
the time, and I started getting into all these niche
stories that were going on, and so I guess that's
where it started. And then obviously you fast forward four
years you have Trump losing, and then you have all
these people saying, well, it was stolen, and then it
wasn't stolen, and then you have all this stuff with COVID.
So it was just kind of and I'm not alone here.
I've talked to a lot of guys that are around
my same age, and I feel like most young men
who kind of got into politics because of Trump, I
feel like most of them are in a similar position
to where I am. Because there was always some niche
story going on, whether it's Pizzagate or Jeffrey Epstein or
the election being stolen or COVID, all these different conspiracies
things going on. You were always just kind of like
in these niche groups talking about these things online, and
so it just keeps pushing you further and further. And
then in twenty twenty four, I voted for Trump for
the third time, and I was pretty excited. And then
this year, or at least last year, I kind of
got a little bit more radicalized because I kind of
figured the Trump admin wasn't doing what I've kind of
wanted them to do, and I'm not alone on that.
I feel like they kind of drop the ball. And so,
I mean, the only reason I'm kind of where I
am politically is just because there's been one story after another,
or there's just been one disappointment after another from the
establishment conservatives and I don't, you know, like the Democrats.
So I'm just constantly getting pushed in the other direction,
you know. And it's kind of as simple as that,
to be honest. It's just the Democrats hate white guys
and they hate young dudes, and they push all this
LGBTQ stuff on you, and then the Republicans don't really
do that much better, and so you just kind of
end up where I'm at. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Man, I missed the first Trump election by just a
few months. I was too young to vote for it,
but really remember, yeah, yeah, just a little bit. But
I remember being super swept up in it. And there
was this other dynamic that made it really fun because
I was in a you know, a fairly conservative area
and it was a ton of fun watching like the
older people right like at my school or at you know,
church or whatever kind of social gathering get really upset
and really offended by Trump, right, and eventually, you know
a lot of these people would kind of come around
on it, but you saw that kind of like never
Trumper thing, and that made it even more fun, right
because you could both annoy you know, the most irritating
people in the world liberals and also like the president
of your school or either the principal of your school
or whatever. And so that was really fun. So like
I know what you mean that kind of like infectious.
It felt like, you know, this was like a way
to both you know, do something funny and also kind
of like throw a wrench into it, you know, throw
a wrench into this, like says them. And for me,
you know, I got super radicalized in college because like
I went to this like small liberal arts school for
a little bit. I ended up you know, dropping out
and finishing somewhere else and it was pretty close to
the you know, where the whole unite the right thing happened.
And so I showed up for like freshman year right
after that, and dude, it was a disaster. Like there,
I've said it before on my show, so I'll you know,
fly through the story. But like they bring us in
small school, a couple hundred kids break us into you know,
men and women, And for the men, it was like
a full on struggle session. Like there was this big,
you know, kind of double wide kind of woman at
the front and she literally said, it's a phrase like
burned into my head. You know, one in three women
on a college campus will be raped. Look to your right,
look to your left. One of those men could be
a rapist. Dude like seventeen. I guess I was eighteen barely,
but like, hey, that's that's kind of a strong start,
you know, to your college experience and to your point. Right,
You're like, okay, well I can't be part of that,
Like there's no way for me to do that without
you know, putting address on I guess, but like that's
not an option, and so they're like, okay, well, I guess,
like the Republicans are my guys, and you know, there's
some things that I do or don't like. And then
to me, like the point where it was really like okay,
like this is the two options presented are non viable
was obviously the whole twenty twenty thing, because it's basically like, oh,
like we're depending on your opinion. You can just turn
off an election, you can change the way that we
do things, and then you have you know, Joe Biden
and I have a very distinct memory as helping one
of my buddies move and you know the whatever. The
roof of his new place needed some repair. So we
were just like a shoot, like, we'll put a tarp
over it until you can, you know, get someone here
to actually fix it. So I'm sitting on the roof
with my best friend and it's right when you know,
Joe Biden was you know, pushing out this whole thing
of like, oh, if you don't have the thing, right,
I can't say it's the one thing I've gotten a
YouTube strike for. If you don't have the thing, you
can't work, you can't get a job. So still in
college at the time, and I was like, am I
just like gonna be like homeless or like part of
the underclass? You know, like some guy like begging for
money because I won't do this. And it's like, oh,
I guess that's how much they hate me. You know,
they're willing to do that, like you can't even contribute
to society. And I think that like a lot of guys,
and it sounds like you're in the kind of similar position.
You see, like Trump come around for the third time,
seems like he's gonna win, and you're like, okay, like
all right, like you maybe you learned some stuff, you
learned who you couldn't trust, couldn't trust how you have
to take on a government that hates you. And for
like the first couple of months, it's like, okay, like
I guess, you know, I was a little cynical, but
it seems like he's learned, you know, learned what you
need to do. And then real, real quickly, all that
goes away, and it's like, okay, so you're your one
priority is a certain Middle Eastern democracy. That's what it
comes down to. And so even when you know, as
the moniles would say, right, you do the thing, you
get your guy in the big you know, anti establishment guy,
it's like, oh, okay, so so nothing changes. So we
just have no solution within this system. And I mean,
look like obviously I've been on the internet saying radical
things well before that, but that's one of those ones.
We're like, okay, so that's that's the state of play.
And you know, I'm glad you brought up the you
know the age thing as well, because like one of
my least favorite I guess fa I should do kind
of like reading these is the like endless number of
like articles and opinion pieces about like why are young
men so radical? And the solutions are all completely insane,
like oh, we'll just find a you know, a chubby
Hispanic woman to go to frat parties and that'll you know,
win them back over for you know, the Democrats or whatever.
And I'm saying Democrat Republican. Well we all know I
mean when I say that, Yeah, but I'm curious and
maybe I could throw back to you, like what's your
answer that question, like why are young men so radical?
Speaker 4: Hm? See, this is something i've you know, because obviously
I'm I mean, I'm not like a younger gen Z.
I'm older gen Z, but I'm still part of the
same generation and a lot of the problems the younger
guys have, I guess like you and I, we got
to experience those firsthand, you know, when they first started
kind of popping up. And I mean this, the answer
to that question isn't just one thing. It's not just political,
it's not just one simple answer. You'll hear it from Republicans,
for example, when they talk about it, they'll talk about
young men and they'll say, you'll see some chick go
on Fox News and talk about how young men just
want to play video games and they don't want to,
you know, interact with society. They don't want to marry
a single mom or you know, step up to the
plate or whatever. And then when they talk about solutions,
they always talk about like the economy, and they'll they'll
say stuff like, oh, we just need to give them
the ability to buy a house, if they could own
a home, or it's the job, or it's the taxes,
you know, it's it's it's money, and they focus on that.
And then for Democrats it's they say the money. But
then they have some weird thing where it's like they're
being men are brainwashed and they're just all misogynists and
that's why they're unhappy, and we just need to liberate
them from that way of thinking and then we can
all be equal. So they're both like getting it wrong,
because it's not just one reason why men are the
way they are. A big reason is because of you know, purpose,
a lot of young men in today's society, they lack
a purpose, and no one amount of them being able
to buy a home or have some corporate job that
really is just a bullshit job to be honest, that
doesn't really matter, that can get replaced with AI in
ten years, is gonna you know, fill that void. You
have a generation of men that were demonized one hundred percent.
You had a generation of men that were kind of
just kind of just abandoned, you know, even with today,
Like a problem the Republican Party has is they keep
doing things that favor the older generations, like the boomers,
and then they'll talk about how young men are angry
because they can't afford a home, but then they won't
and act policies that are gonna bring home prices down.
They'll give you a fifty year mortgage, but that's just
about it. And they think it's it's money. They think
it's because they can't afford things. But there's so much more.
There's the purpose, you know that there's the idea of
this country doesn't have a future. There's the idea that
it's wrong for young men to be masculine, and it's
wrong for young white men to be proud of being white.
It's wrong for you to have a sense of identity
and belonging, and these things give you purpose in a way.
It's not just about money or affording a home. Also
another reason is quite frankly, it is because of dating.
It's because of relationships, not just between just the dating relationships,
but also like friendships. I think young gen Z men.
There's some study I saw like a few years ago
that talked about how like fifteen percent of gen Z
men have no friends, like at all. They're chronically just
online and they have nobody to talk to. And then
our generation we grew up when if you want to
talk about dating, because relationships, you know that that gives
you a family, that gives you legacy, that gives you kids.
It's kind of impossible at this point, Like it's very
screwed up. Like ever since before I was old enough
to date, there was a dating app. You know, before Tender,
there was Hot or not before that, there was Facebook.
And it's feminis like feminists and the feminization of the country.
It's a very radical ideology that's kind of rooted at
the core of this nation. You even have Republican conservative
women that are basically covert feminists, and they'll talk about
all these issues with men, but they won't talk about
problems with women and how a lot of women these
days are kind of undateable. And it's not to say
that men are completely datable. There's a lot of problems
that go both ways. But the reason why young men
are so angry and there's so many issues is because
it's not just one problem. It is the economy, it
is the future. It is the fact that the leaders
have completely abandoned the future of this nation and sold
the future that's supposed to belong to the children to
Black Rock and all these different companies. It's you know,
we have a country that has no no real like morals.
There's no like real role models for young men. Either.
With black families, you have like no fathers in the families,
so they have no men to look up to. And
then with white men and white kids, they have fathers
that are basically just cooks, and they don't stand up
for anything, and they don't believe in anything, and at
the first sight of any type of conflict, they just
kind of like cower. And you just have a lot
of issues that have just been compounding throughout the decades. Really,
and gen Z men are kind of reaching a powder
keg moment where they're just angry. A lot of them
are just checked out. And it is because you know,
they can't date. It is because they have no purpose.
It is because you know a lot of them will
go to college, they'll get a degree, they won't be
able to find work. It is because they can't get home.
So it is the economy as well. But you don't
really have any leaders that are focusing on the real
issues that men have. They think it's just we can
have them buy a house or whatever, and that's going
to fix everything. And it's like, no, there's so much more,
but nobody wants to have that conversation.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, and look to that point, Like a
house is obviously there's the literal thing of owning a house,
owning a property, having a stake in society. That's really
important because then you own a piece of it, you're
tied into it. But it's sort of symbolic of a
bunch of other things, right, Like you're one hundred percent
correct that, like the money isn't all of it, but
the fact that like it is incredibly difficult to find
a decent job. You know that many people are drowning
in debt. You know, an ever greater portion of their
income is being used to you know, provide basic necessities.
Like I was talking to uh Proving bull right, he's
I think he's about our age about exactly this, and
he's super smart, you know right now he works as
a you know, financial analyst. So like he's you know,
a smart kid, right, And so I just asked him offhand.
I was like, hey man, how many jobs have you
applied for? And his answer was if I'm not I
don't want to misquote him here, but he's like around
six hundred.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: And like, look like there's a reason I'm a professional
internet guy. That's because I had a very similar experience.
Like and I'm not this is obviously years ago. I'm
not torn up about it. But like I graduated from
a you know, a competitive program in a degree that
people tell you to get, right, Like this is what
you get if you want a job. How was working
a clothing factory? Like that was what I did after school.
And look like the economy sucks sometimes it happens, but
that feeling of hopelessness you're talking about where it's like
what do I got to do to get ahead, like
it feels as if, you know, you're always behind the
eight ball, and you know, as regards dating, this is
something that's really hard to express to people who didn't
grow up in kind of the the algorithm era right
when it, you know, because look like you know, even
kind of like core and older millennials remember the before
social media era, is that like that radically changes the
playing field because again, one, you are basing a relationship
at least even if you get to that point off
of like fleeting momentary attraction like not how you talk,
not your social setting, whatever, just that. And also it
plays into like negative you know, negative traits in female psychology,
which is like, oh, well, I string along a bunch
of guys, you know, just get the attention from it.
And I think you're right to point out, like, look
like this, men and women both if we wouldn't even
just break it out of those categories, both have very
real problems. Like you can look at you know, the
female rate of mental disorders and suicide. All of these
things are getting worse. But like at a more basic level,
one of the things that I think is kind of
interesting about gen Z is that many of the things
that previous generations said they thought or said they would do.
We were actually kind of forced to do so, Like
if you look at you know, boomers, what they and
we're talking in aggregate, right, there's a huge generation. I
know some of you were the good ones. So if
you're listen this, you are one of the good ones.
The point is, like you see this huge gap between
stated and revealed preference. What people will say if you
call them on the phone, like I guess that's how
they do polling still and say like what do you
think about this? And how they actually live their life?
You know, the patterns of marriage and family formation similar
slightly decreased with generations after that, but for us, like
the kind of like war between the sexes was it
still is just raging. So like look like I'm married,
I met my wife, you know, young common religious community, right,
so I was sort of able to opt out of this,
but like that's not only incredibly unique, but like my
friends didn't have that, Like my peers don't have that,
and you know, going through college and we were dating,
like I'd see my friends her friends going through this
and just getting chewed up by it. Like the guys,
who are you know, like I probably shouldn't say this,
but like a guy I know who's you know, got
a six figure job, owns a house, and it was
on like a good looking guy on like a five
year cold streak, you know, of just like nothing, and
you're like, okay, look like, clearly this isn't working. And
it's tough to talk to people who grew up in
the before times because they'll give you this kind of
pull yourself up by the bootstraps advice and it's just
incredibly infuriating to listen to it because you're like, look,
man like, the situation has changed so dramatically from when
you know you were on the dating scene, so to speak,
and it it's doubly difficult because like, if you're giving
someone advice, it's actually not horrible advice given the limitations,
because look, man like, you or I can't fix this
big problem, right, I can't do anything to solve the
dating market. So within that limitation, being like okay, well,
like what can you do? Can you improve how attractive
you are, improve your prospects or whatever, even if it's difficult,
like within your power, that's probably your best bet. But
at the same time, so often that is given in
such a dismissive way of like, oh, you know, men
are useless. Why won't you get off your phone? Why
are you buying avocado toast in eight dollars? Lattes that
it like completely blows up any possibility of like you know,
how to actually move forward. And again when I say,
like pull yourself up by your bootstraps is the best advice,
I mean, that's a great solution. But if you've got
literally two cards to play, either do that or do nothing,
it is technically better, but again, like it's still a
it's a tough sell, and it's like I understand why
people get so upset about it, but I'll throw it
back to you, Tom No.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're one hundred percent correct. Like, the only
thing you can do if you're a young man is
you know, better yourself. That's all. That's all anyone can do,
not just men but women. That's like the whole point
is you wake up every day and you try to
do better than you did the day before, and that's
the only way anyone makes it. But when it comes
to dating, especially like you said, when you talk to
older generations, I kind of feel bad for older generations.
Or older men, especially when it comes to them giving
advice to like their sons when it comes to dating,
because unless you have like a specific set of circumstances,
like kind of how you said you met your wife young,
you guys were in a religious group together. I have
a friend who has pretty much the same story. He
met his wife when they're both fourteen at church. They
only dated each other, they waited till marriage before they
had sex. They got married at like twenty three. I
was the best man at the wedding, and you know,
they don't have kids yet, but they're fixing to get
a they're happy, they're in love. He's the only person
I know out of all of my friends who was
blessed enough to be in that circumstance. And he did
follow all the advice that he should have done. He
treated her respectfully, he never cheated on her, He was
a man of God, all these different things, and you
know he's going to be blessed for that. They're going
to have a beautiful family. But he's the only one
I know, And I know other guys that met, you know,
women in church and when they were younger, and the
relationships just didn't work out. My first girlfriend and I
actually got engaged to her when I was nineteen. That
didn't work out, and I met her at church, and
so after that I did kind of go through the
meat grinder, Yeah, the tender, the bumble, the dating scene.
And it kind of sucks because this society, because of
social media and the internet, Like this is a general
that is experiencing the algorithm. Like you said, that's never
happened throughout history, So the first generation to be raised
on that, and it's it's completely alien to us, and
so we're kind of responding to it in ways that's
very unpredictable. Nobody can kind of figure out why certain
things are happening until like it's too late, essentially. And
the problem with like older generations when they try to
give you advice, like older men, is that they give
you really good advice. It's just the time isn't the same.
A lot of young men, if they follow the advice
for dating that their dad gives them, they're just gonna
get like screwed up, Like they're honestly gonna get like
completely I'm trying not.
Speaker 6: To say pepper honest like Pepper at best.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like there's just a lot of ways, like
women are just different because of social media, because of
and not even just younger women. You see this with
older women too that get divorced and try to re
enter the dating scene. It's different all around. And so
the only way a lot of like young men have
to succeed if they're not like in the right circumstance
is you kind of have to be an asshole. That's
like something you have to do. You have to play
by a different set of rules if you want to
get some type of reaction from women, and it doesn't
necessarily make you a good person. That's why you see
like a lot of guys who they get a lot
of girlfriends or they date a lot, they don't keep them,
and those relationships don't last that long because relationships nowadays
for most people are just kind of for show. It's
either just for sex, or it's because the girl wants
a boyfriend because all of her friends have boyfriends, and
that's why she has boyfriend. But as soon as that
fleeting feeling of happiness goes away, the relationship is over essentially,
And if she doesn't break up with you, she's probably
just gonna cheat on you because she's already moved on
to somebody else in her head, and vice versa. Guys
can do the same thing. So relationships are just kind
of like it's honestly probably the biggest problem the West
has in general. Like we can talk about the economy,
you can talk about like political differences, but if we
don't figure out relationships, we're not going to be able
to save the country at all. Like it's just not
going to be salvageable.
Speaker 6: Well, I wrote a piece responding to David french right,
who's quite possibly the most owned man in existence, and
his whole thing was responding sort of vaguely, he didn't
really understand it to guys like you and I. The
piece of The New York Times titled you know what
happens if I refuse to admit that America is in decline?
And you know, one of the things he talks about,
he's like, oh, well, you know, don't you know, Like
divorce is down from what it used to be, you know,
and and abortion is down. And it's like, well, cool, dude,
but also like why like why is you know, divorced down?
And it's like, well, to be honest, dude, no one's
getting married, Like proportionally even to you know, just a
few generations ago. Like you see this even on a
much more basic level, like the percentage of you know,
Generation Z that hasn't even had sex, which look like,
you know, I'm not gonna say that, like you know,
mass you know, casual hedonic sex is like a great
place for society to be, but it at least means
that like people are interacting at like some basic level,
and it's really not the case. There have been a
couple think pieces from you know kind of uh, you know,
aging women talking about how you know, public spaces have
become female, right, Like they go to a restaurant and
they say, I just see women together. And it's one
of these things where it's like you're right to point
out like the isolation of men, but also like in
a weird way, men and women have become different political
classes and like the same way that like you hear
communists talk about like the you know, the workers at
the bourgeoisie, where it's like they have they view themselves
as a block with different interests. And you know, going
through school during COVID was just a mess. But you know,
I remember I can't remember which election it was maybe
it was I don't think this would have been twenty twenty.
It was some you know, off your election or whatever.
But my wife doesn't vote, never voted, just doesn't care to, right,
And she was, you know, surrounded by other women who were,
you know, as many are quite progressive, and had a
conversation where someone was like, I don't understand how women
can't vote, Like you're not even really a woman if
you don't vote, the implication being vote Democrats. And I
always thought that was kind of revealing because it is like,
in the same way that like black means something literal,
So like Clarence Thomas is biologically black, but he's not
capital B black, right, the political identity because he isn't
you know, on side on certain issues. Just an offhand example,
but you sort of see the same thing with women,
where you know, women and men seem to or man
seems to be kind of trending in the same direction.
Has become like it has a dual meaning, and so
there's like this political identity that goes along with it.
And I noticed this with you know, my buddies on
social media apps that there are almost no men with
like political signs or political slogans and they're dating app profiles,
but there are a whole lot of women with them.
And even if you don't count the direct ones where
it's like, you know, proud Democrat or free Palestine or whatever.
Maybe we can work on that second one, but whatever,
But like you see the other ones where it's like,
you know, it'll be and I don't really understand how
this technology works for fairly obvious reasons, but it'll be
things like you can respond to a question, you know,
like my ideal on man has blank, And one of
the really common ones is you know, he's in therapy, which,
let's be honest, we all know what that's code for, right.
It means that you are, you know, basically talking to
a lip d art at the tune of one hundred
dollars of an hour until you become one. And I
think that that to your point, like that's a really
deep problem that like being a woman has become synonymous
with progressive policies, and you mentioned it earlier talking about
you know, female Republican influencers where it's like, you know,
sure they may be you know, ruby red and conservative
on the outside, but you scratch them and you reveal
a feminist, and I think that that's like, that's a
huge issue.
Speaker 4: Man, m h one hundred percent. What was it that
quote from nineteen eighty four George Orwell, women are the
swallower of slogans. That's just like their things. So it's
kind of like always a thing. They're very social creatures.
I don't even know why I said creatures, but they're
very social by nature, and so it is kind of
like a performative thing. Like a lot of women, and
I've dated a lot. I'm not going to go into specifics.
I'm not trying to embarrass myself, but most of the
women I have dated are liberal and they are feminists.
I'm not that at all. So for me, I just
avoid or at least when I was dating certain women
like that, I would avoid politics altogether. And a lot
of them, like even the ones with the slogans and
the stuff on their profile picture, they most of them
don't actually believe it, but it is kind of like
a social status, like they have to do it because
all their friends are doing it because they're social. Like
they have to have a boyfriend because their friends have
a boyfriend. They have to listen to this new song
because all their friends are listening to this new song
they have to. It's you know, it's for everything. But
the ones that really do believe it, and I have
dated some of those, it's like the most deranged stuff
you'll ever encounter. I had this one girl who was
I was over at her place this one time, and
she was trying to convince me about this book she
was reading about how men had never actually built anything
in society and it was always women. And it was
the most I.
Speaker 6: Like we was but for the foids.
Speaker 4: I guess the Foyds. We was building New York dude.
I was usually the way I would handle that is
I would just kind of nod most of the time
and just be like, oh, yeah, wow, that's crazy, because
you know, I'm just I'm not trying to reveal, like, hey,
I voted for Trump because that doesn't go overwelled. I
did that once and she blocked me, and then she
unblocked me after like two months. But I would just
not like talk about my politics. But when that girl
told me that to my face, I just I couldn't
control it. I was just like, what the fuck are
you talking about? What do you mean? Have you ever
been to a city. Have you ever been inside any
building ever? Have you used the toilet?
Speaker 6: I've ever seen a construction worker before you?
Speaker 4: You have you used that iPhone? Like, what are you
talking about? Men have never built any And she was
serious and I wasn't like too mean, but I should
have been a little bit more aggressive, maybe because the
ones that aren't into that, it is like a super
religious thing. It is a religion. You know. They've replaced
religion with politics. And when you see women talk about
how they want some liberal guy who goes to therapy,
no they don't. I actually because of my job, I
work with a lot of different types of people. And
one of the guys I work with, he is a
communist and he is a liberal dude. He's all that
stuff that women say they want, and no girl wants
to date him. In fact, he had a girlfriend at
one point and he would cry to me all the
time and he would say, oh, like, my relationship's not
going over well, I'm talking to my therapists about it.
It's like, I think I should talk to my girlfriend
about this. And he's like, I got to express my
feelings more. And I told him, I told him this.
I was like, look, when you do that stuff. I
don't care how feminist your girlfriend is, when you do
that stuff to her, it makes her less attracted to you.
She doesn't want to sleep with you, she doesn't want
to be around you. And he just would not believe it.
And then like two months after I had that conversation
with him, he came to me and he said, hey,
my girlfriend had a conversation about how when I cry
and stuff in front of her, it makes her not
want to touch me or be around me. And she
told him that and then it made him cry even more.
And I'm like, bro, you got to not listen to
that advice. It's not good advice, all right, it's not
gonna you need to just and yeah, she ended up,
you know, breaking up with him, and it's been pretty
brutal for him ever since. But there is a like
a different political alignment that men and women have, and
it is a religious tribal thing for the women especially well,
and it's one of those things.
Speaker 6: And I get frustrated when I listened to you know,
guys who I don't know what they call themselves now,
though like ten years ago would have been like MRAs right,
the men's rights activists because like they'll they'll say a
bunch of stuff and it'll be like that complaint and
they'll be like, yeah, women need to change. And it's like, dude,
at one, not how that works for any number of reasons.
But two, it's like that instinct to be like social
enforcers in a different era, it's a very healthy thing, right,
Like if you have you know, a relatively traditional society
with you know, let's just say some semblance of normal
human values. Right, this doesn't have to be Western, just
any society whatsoever. Like having half of your population that
is really interested in enforcing those values makes a ton
of sense. And in fact, you actually see this where
in America up until the nineteen seventies, women were significantly
more conservative than men. It's actually a relatively recent thing,
and it kind of makes sense, right, you know, obviously
in the era you know, before contraception, even on something
like like we'll just take like you know, sexual moores,
women have a lot more at stake there, Right, If
you live in an era without you know, welfare, without
access to contraception, if you have a kid, that's your problem,
not problem in that way, but you bear the consequence
of that where some guy can just hop on a
train and never be seen again. So it makes sense.
But the problem is right that the values of society,
if you want to call them values, have been so
pervert to the point where that healthy human instinct has
been completely and totally perverted and twisted to enforce something
that's completely messed up. And it's interesting. My buddy Darrel
Cooper Martyr made has this. He talks about this a lot,
you know, talking about how all of these these cults
rise up immediately in the wake of the hippie movement,
and he's talking about this thing where you have people
who grew up, you know, these early boomers in a
very traditional society, you know, the kind of stereotypical nineteen
fifties where you know, okay, look, we understand it. There
are problems. That isn't like the peak of human civilization,
but comparatively, you know, it was more traditional. And he
talks about how, like when that structure goes away, when
all of a sudden you have people who are you know,
kind of thrust into like the sexual marketplace, that becomes
a much more real part of life. You have access
to contraception, you know, obviously all the other kind of
you know, social ills that started in the sixties. Well,
you create a bunch of broken people, you create a
bunch of people who are looking for something. And so
it's no surprise that you know, you have a bunch
of cults, right, you have guys who are saying, I'll
solve that problem. I'll give you that family unit. And
I think you see a very similar thing with you know,
extremely progressive politics. It's like, okay, well you know, and
look like the position of you know, young women is
equally and enviable to young men. Sure they have a
better chance in the job market, but like, really is
being a corporate girl boss, wage slave a good life?
Like no, not at all, Like that's a miserable way
to live. But I think a big part of it
is that that, in a very like synthetic, unhealthy way,
those progressive politics become that sense of meaning. It's like, oh,
here's what you should be doing with your life, here's
how you become a good person. And it like filters
in and for people who don't have a lot going on,
who you know, are unlikely to have families or you
really have anything fulfilling going on, Like it makes sense
and like the real difference is that, like, for very
obvious reasons, that system of belief in what everyone call
it like progressivism, woke, whatever, pick your term, like it
does not apply to young white men. And so you know,
that same kind of social atomization that's affecting everyone is
making women more progressive, and you know, not necessarily for men.
I realized I threw a bunch at you there, but
I've just been kind of thinking about this for a while.
Speaker 4: No, I mean, you're one hundred percent correct. I like,
with women, it's not their fault they're like this. It's
definitely there's a lot of different elements and forces that
kind of all came in together, like what you said
with the boomers kind of growing up being introduced to
birth control for the first time in human history. It's
kind of like the Internet for us. You know, it's
something that never existed on mass like that, it's this
new thing. It's gonna have some radical effect on people,
especially the younger generations. And then you also have like
propaganda coming from Hollywood and all these different institutions kind
of at the time that are pushing feminism and all
these different things. But you know, you were right like
with a lot of women, for a majority of pretty
much all society, they're usually really conservative. I think even
during the women's rights movements, for the suffrage or whatever,
most women didn't even want the right to vote. It
was mostly men that actually got that passed. It was
because that wasn't normal, that wasn't like like a socially
acceptable thing up until that point. So it's women are
kind of like the ones that get pushed into accepting
those things. But at this point you have probably like
the past like two or three generations where you do
see feminism, liberalism, all these different things being pushed, and
a part of it is that it was to you know,
kind of lift up women while also at the same
time lifting up minorities and minority men. And then when
it came to white men, it was always kind of
about attacking them. And that's why you see with a
lot of younger men in general, not even just white
young men, you see a lot of them tend to
be more conservative because it's it's a rejection of like
the propaganda and the social engineering that has been compounding
the past couple generations. Because with young white men and
gen z especially and even millennials, they get attacked for
just being men, just being white, and then for non
white young men, they're getting attacked for being masculine and
for you know, questioning things, and it's just it's just
kind of like it's also like the lack of purpose
as well, Like a lot of young men are finding
purpose in more traditional values, especially religion, and I think
gen Z as a whole is probably I keep seeing
a statistic where it says they're becoming more religious than
past generations, like younger men.
Speaker 6: Well, and one of the interesting things on this, uh,
both a solution and a problem is one this is
the first time in I think it is roughly three
hundred years of statistics where men are more religious than women.
It's very very uncommon and interesting. But one of the
interest like, even within that population of people who regularly
go to church, there's an interesting split because young men
are going primarily to extremely traditional denominations. So you've seen
obviously the Ortho bros are growing up. All of my
Orthodox friends are very kind, I'll leave it at that.
Obviously the trad casts and then the more kind of
stringent forms of Protestantism. But what you're seeing is another
bifurcation where a lot of these kind of evangelical mega churches,
the whole sneakers with preachers phenomenon like the stuff you
see trad casts raging about on the internet. Those churches
are heavily female and the traditional denominations are heavily male.
Obviously not all, but again, even in that trend, we
see this same bifurcation male to female. But I interrupted
Tom back to you.
Speaker 4: No, no, you're one hundred percent correct. And I actually
because I was raised in a mega Judeo Christian church.
So when I was raised in that, I know exactly
what you're talking about because I got to see like
those numbers change. And then I left and I became
an atheist for a while, and then I became an agnostic,
and then I got saved again a few years ago,
so you know, thank God. But in that church, like
in these megachurches, another thing you also see is with
the men that are there, a lot of them are
basically they're gay or they're closeted. And I'm not even
trying to say that to just be offensive. I'm actually
just being honest. So you have a lot of women
and the church as a whole This is another thing.
It's not just conservatives that have covert feminism, but it's
definitely the religious institutions, the megachurches, they're basically like feminist institutions.
They'll push a lot of questionable doctrine and they'll use
the Bible as a way to push that, and it's
it supports a lot of women's behavior, like modern women's behavior,
because right now you have a problem with a lack
of accountability for women, and you also have a problem
where the state can kind of take care of women,
and so that's why they don't need men as much.
But because of the trends of where things are going,
men are becoming more traditional, going to actually more traditional churches,
not following those those same prinds as women becoming more conservative,
and not even just like the establishment conservative, they're becoming
more dissident, right, you could say, because of that, eventually
you will find I feel like more women following that path.
And you see that even like online, you see a
lot of women kind of repeating the same type of
rhetoric that you'd see. You see a lot of young
women that are starting to like Nick Fuintes and like
all these different people because that's like a trend. Like
they're going to the churches, they're going to the the
RNC conventions, and they're not finding their husband because all
the men aren't going there anymore, you know, they're going
somewhere else. And it is kind of crazy that, like
you have all these splits, and you have the the
the differences with politics, and then now you have the
differences with religion, and it's just constantly just splitting more
and more. You have women that are going off becoming
girl bosses, and then you have a lot of men
that are just checking out of society and they're just like,
you know what, whatever. And it's very interesting. But it's definitely,
in my opinion, probably the biggest problem our society has,
and whether or not it can be fixed just by
you know, waiting it out or through propaganda or you
know whatever. Because propaganda works on women. That's the problem. Like,
that's the reason why they are.
Speaker 6: Have you caught this whole like clavical saga or whatever.
I'm bringing this up for a reason.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the clav Yeah, he's a very interesting character. I
think he's really funny.
Speaker 6: But I do too. I just want to say here
at the j Burtons show you should not smoke math
tr cheekbones look better. I'm not a medical doctor, but
I believe that that is.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But the reason, well, that's exactly what I was gonna say,
because like when I was on like super weird weightlifting
forums and like fit back like ten years ago, bone
smashing was a meme, like it was a joke, and
like so many of those very niche things, and you
see this in health and wellness in particular, have like
hit the algorithm and gone mainstream in a really weird way.
And there's this meme. But it's it's true. I mean,
it's it's my relationship in many others, right, it's racist boyfriend,
crunchy girlfriend, right, the girl who's into you know, like
alternative health and all that. And so to your point
about propaganda, I mean it's basically what where a lot
of it starts. You know, you see the like you
know that and I hate the term tried way for
like six different reasons, but like that whole mean complex
you know around you know, the kind of like purity,
and it starts often. It's funny because even like the
progressive press realizes this, you know, they talk about how uh,
you know natural like natural uh, cosmetics or a gateway
to the alt right, And I realized, like that word
doesn't mean anything, but they're identifying something real. That the
leap from the kind of like you know, hippie, you
know the government's trying to poison you through the food
or you know, some medical treatment or whatever to a
more tradition view that's not a huge jump, really, and
you're seeing a lot of that again through propaganda. I
think aditionally, one of the trends that I think has
been kind of fun to watch is effectively like, look
like all human politics is patronage, right, patron client you
give me this for that? Like it? A lot of
it comes down to that, and as like things get worse, right,
as the economy gets worse, as you know AI and
then legal immigration, which is what we were supposed to
be talking about. We haven't even mentioned ninety five percent
of the way through the show. But as those trends continue,
the bribes, the quality goes down, and all of a sudden,
you know, you're not you know, you don't have this
cool job where you can you know, sit on your
laptop in the pool as a project manager. That doesn't
exist anymore, and so that bribe, right, that patronage being offered,
that deal gets worse, and all of a sudden, right,
you have an opening, right, Like that's an opportunity for
propaganda to work, because you know the old line, like
it's very difficult for a man or a woman in
this case to notice something he's paid not to, right,
he's bribed to stay kind of as you know Andrew
Tate would say in the matrix. But like when that
capacity goes away, when there isn't all that surplus in
the system to keep bribing people to have those kind
of laptop jobs or you know, as the meme goes
you know, jew daycare, right, if you don't have the
money to keep that going like that, I think that
there's an interesting opening there. I don't know that's that's
more speculative, and I think that that's a trend where
at the kind of early end of but yeah, I
think it'll be interesting to see how much of those values,
which are synthetic, like they are pushed because you know,
that's what's high status, that's what good people do. How
much of that goes away when the money dries up.
Just me kind of spitballing there.
Speaker 4: No, I mean yeah, I think the big question is
how many people are going to double down because they
know they were drinking the kool aid and they kept
drinking it. And now the money's gone and the propaganda's gone,
but they're still left with the fact that they were
drinking the kool aid and they're telling all their friends
about it for the past twelve years, so they don't
want to look stupid. And you know, people, because we're
very prideful, they will double down on things. So it's
it's kind of crazy to see because this society, because
of the propaganda towards women, it's pushed younger women, especially
into certain areas that are very they're very radical, Like
a big portion of women are getting into sex work
and doing stuff like OnlyFans. I know a ton of
girls that I grew up with, Like, it's actually insane.
And I know this is anecdotal, but it's insane. How
many women I know personally that I grew up with
that gotten to OnlyFans. It's actually it's crazy, and most
of them still don't. They don't do it anymore because
if any of them made money doing it, you know,
they couldn't continuously make money because it's very competitive and
it's a business, and they don't think of it like
that when they get into it. But the pictures and
the videos are online and they stay online forever, so
they've kind of they put some mileage on essentially, and
because of that, it pushes them into different areas. They
become radical feminists, they become radical liberals, They get into
all these different weird beliefs and stuff. And so when
the propaganda dies down, when all of that goes away,
are they going to change? I feel like a lot
of them will, because a lot of them do want
those traditional families, they want kids. But how many are not?
You know, how many are going to just continuously push
all these things because they couldn't be wrong?
Speaker 6: Well? Do like? This is what I think about the
about the troons, right, the the guys who have you know,
bought into this. I'm I gonna get a strike for saying, guys,
whatever I said truns the uh this parody. Uh. The
the people who've bought into this more than anything else,
who've literally have put their bodies on the line. And
we understand right that these people are literally hooked up
to a medical drip for the rest of their lives
at taxpayer and also personal expense. And you see this
and uh, you know the d transitioners. My buddy Benjamin Boyce,
he interviews a lot of people who de transition and
you know, I don't I'm not going to pretend to
listen to all of them, but if you listen to
a couple of them, you'll pick up on really interesting things.
And one of the things that they talk about is
that this immense feeling of buying and it's like leaving
a cult where you know, if you go out, not
only are you all of a sudden having to pay
your self your insurance won't cover detransitioning or getting off
of this. So that's an element of buy in. But
also you're a trader. Everyone you have surrounded yourself with
thinks your scum of the earth. And especially when on
the front end of that, you know, when you're going
through your transition, you're encouraged to, you know, cut people
out of your life to socially isolate yourself, like those
people are bought in. And you see it in you
know this this kid that shot Charlie Kirk, who's obviously
involved in a bunch of weird gender stuff through his
boy or girlfriend if he was talking about this. But
also right like that that kid who shot likes three Hondurans,
you know, trying to take out an ice center, where
it's like, yeah, it's basically like all of these And again,
these are, let's be honest, young white men who are
experiencing the same sort of radical, radicalizing forces we've been
talking about. But they were able to buy in to
the progressive plantation at this at the cost of their bodies,
and now they are more bought in than anyone else.
They're in these kind of like pressure cookers, and so
like you basically have like sleeper cells all across America,
and not just in liberal areas, because thanks to the
wonders of the Internet and algorithms, you can have a
kid in a three hundred person town in Alabama who
you know, sees the same content as some blue haired
barista from Brooklyn, and so like, dude, that's a huge problem.
And when we're talking about buy in, like those are
the most bought in people in the world. They are
physically dependent on you know, like the libtardich. Basically like
their body stops working if they don't get their you know,
government sponsored hormones, like they'll literally either die or you know,
have very serious medical complications, let alone all the like
the psychic brainwashing, and you know the social dynamics too.
And I think that like if we're talking about like
who can come back, right, who can normalize? To be honest, man, like,
look like this is can the most sexist thing I
say on this? Women don't really have political opinions in
the same way. You know, it's it's a different it's
a different thing. And so like this is funny. I've
said this before. It'll make her bad if she hears it,
but like you know how like on your iPhone it'll
show you like your memories or whatever. Now I found
one from like twenty fifteen or she was a teenage
or whatever, but it said something like, you know, don't
try and get with me if you can't get with
my feminist agenda or whatever. And she's looking back on this,
you know, ten years later, like just cringing out of
her skin, so embarrassed, you know, married to a niche
you know, right wing internet. And so the point is
like that's largely salvageable, Like, Okay, whatever we can work
with that, but like the true the guy who's you know,
cut his dick off to be bunt, you know, who's
medically dependent on the state. It's like some of those
guys will come back, and you know, there are de transitioners,
but like that's basically like an army Okay, like a
mentally unwell, physically frail one, but still like enough to
you know, grab Grandpa's hunting rifle and like ventilate someone's gardener.
Speaker 4: Mmmm. Now one hundred percent. And I mean they're they're
making militias, they're making groups. It's all over the internet.
It's a thing. I I did a stream with Focus Trip.
He's a gun YouTuber. Surprisingly enough, I'm actually connected with
a bunch of gun YouTubers because.
Speaker 6: One thing I've actually also talked to Focused Trip.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: This is a weird connection.
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But he's actually one of the reasons why I blew
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Speaker 4: And I got to meet like a whole bunch of
like his friends, and so I'm connected with like like
a lot of those guys. And we talked about those
militia groups, the Truon militia groups, and it's crazy, dude,
Like they they really are training and it is a thing.
You know, they are bought in and they are just
like sleeper soldiers all over the US. And they don't care.
You know, they'll if they're willing enough to do whatever
they believe in, they'll they'll gladly sacrifice their life to
take anybody out of.
Speaker 6: It's crazy, especially when like, let's be honest, it's not
like these guys have a lot going on, Like they
are like socially isolated, terminally online, and so like all
that rhetoric around, you know, ashesm and like the threat
to our democracy. It's like, yeah, sure, you know, your
liberal aunt says that. She says that, but does she
does she believe it to the degree or she's going
to you know, pick up a rifle. No, she doesn't,
for any number of reasons, let alone the fact that
you know, this hypothetical person's fifty five years old. But like,
you take a socially maladjusted loser, right, someone who is,
you know, partially due to their own actions, partially due
to the sort of systemic issues we've talked about, dropped
out of society. You dope them up on SSRI's exogenous
hormones and feed like surround them with other mentally well freaks,
and then you know, tell them this guy is literally
going to genocide you, you know, like all the rhetoric
around like transgenocide or whatever, like yeah, no shit, dude,
Like this stuff is like this is gonna happen, And honestly,
like I've been kind of surprised it hasn't happened. More
like there's a specific example you're talking about. There's this
article in Wired magazine. I did a stream talking about
it with my buddy Carl, and it's exactly that. Like
it's this progressive magazine talking about these like oh they
call them two A for all, but these like I
think that yeah, yeah, And it's in like the most
fawning language, you know, just gratuitously talking about how cool
and glamorous these is this you know, a militia is.
And you know, you got to understand the audience of
Wired magazine is not the people who are in that,
but it's for like the normal progressives. Is kind of
like this signaling of like, oh, this is a cool thing,
this is glamorous, this is bashing the fash or whatever. However,
realized that turns fifteen years out of date, you know
what I mean? And like, dude, like you're already seeing
this with this uh funny enough lesbian who got you
know shot in uh you know in Minnesota where it's
like this is a powder keg. And like, I'm honestly
surprised we've gotten relatively speaking, the minimal amount of political
violence we've already have.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's gonna get worse for sure, especially coming
from like those groups. And I mean, like with a
lot of those troons as well. There's and I'm not
gonna say this is all of them, but a lot
of them. They do that stuff for attention, especially from females,
cause a lot of women nowadays, they'll see somebody doing
that and they'll give them support, they'll give them attention,
and they'll be like, oh, yeah, you're you're so strong,
you're so beautiful, and it gives them attention that they'd
never had because they are isolated, they are alone, they
are put on all these drugs, and it's just it's
just not going to lead to anything good or fruitful whatsoever.
And it's not normal, so it's never gonna be fully
accepted by society. So it's always going to lead to
something like this. But that's going to be a pretty
big challenge. But I would also argue that, and yeah,
like women, you know, like you said, they don't really
have political beliefs. But that's why, you know, it's not
really politics. It's like a religion to all these people.
It is a tribe it is tribalism. It's almost as
if it is a race thing for them. They are
on one side of the aisle, and you disagreeing with them,
you're on the other. You're the enemy. You must be killed,
you must be destroyed. At the very least, your ideology
must be dominated, because your ideology, your beliefs, lead to death.
And you know, it takes away women's rights, and it
takes away truons, rites, and it suppresses liberty or whatever.
Like they have all these different examples, and so for
a lot of women that are getting radicalized as well,
Like you talked about the lesbian and Minnesota, I mean,
women are getting pushed pretty far too. They might not
be going through surgeries, but they're doing things that are
pretty pretty bad. They're like I said, the sex work thing.
You have a lot of women that are getting into
only fans, and if they're not doing only fans, they're
being pressured into doing certain sex acts or doing things
like going to group stuff. I don't want to say
the word on YouTube, but like you have a lot
of women that get radicalized and pushed to do things
that they probably would not have done if they weren't
a programmed to do so, and so you're gonna have
them mixed with the truons kind of double down even
when the propaganda stops, like stops, because they're gonna still
talk to each other and hang out with each other
and isolate with each other, and they're just gonna keep
It's gonna be like a feedback loop. The propaganda doesn't stop,
like they're gonna still feed into each other's delusions, and
you will see more and more violence coming from this.
And it's gonna be mostly coming from the men, of course,
because men are the ones that are more often, you know,
capable of violence. But it's it's very scary, man, because
I'm somebody who likes to go out. I I like
going out. I like going out with friends, I like
going to concerts. I like going out and dancing. I'm
a very festive social person. But recently, you know, I've
had to like think twice about going to certain places
because it's like something could go down. There could be
some crazy person there that could actually just just go off.
There could be a bomb, there could be whatever. Like
society in America, like it's it's getting very violent, and
it's disturbing.
Speaker 6: Dude, that to that point, like, you know, I realized
it's it's poor form to talk about your weapons and
right wing politics in the same conversation for obvious reasons.
Not that it's ever stopped me, but like I you know,
carry it gone for a number of reasons. But it
was never something I did at church until like that
sort of flurry. You remember the the really bizarre instance
of that Catholic church shooting right where the shooter was,
you know, drawing pictures of demons and my whole symbology
and all that.
Speaker 4: Dude, Yeah, that.
Speaker 6: Was yeah, And so you start to look at that
and you're like, okay, like sure, is that political violence
in the same way as saying, you know, writing you know,
a leftist slogan on a bullet and you know, blasting
it at the heat of TPUSA Like well guess and no.
And it's like clear that you know, for people of
that persuasion, like religious communities are a target, like I know,
you know a religious school in the area that I'm
vaguely connected to, who as a surprising amount of security
for exactly that reason. I mean, you saw the you know,
the Audrey Hill, one of the few female shooters shot
up that Christian School. But like it's clear because even
after like you know, Roe versus Wade was overturned right again,
you know, conservative area, you know, conservative church. But like
there were cars in the parking lot that got there,
you know, their tires slashed and their mirrors broken off.
In the middle of the service. They're like, Okay, that's
not like the biggest deal in the world, you know, like, Okay,
you may have to file for insurance. That sucks, But
like that's a sign of something, right that that place
is a hard people are aware of that and have
antipathy towards that, And yeah, man, like I don't think
that's going anywhere. If anything, I think it's you know,
heating up. And like I think that it's clear that
there is someone, whoever they is. You know, we can
maybe talk about that later, you know, dig into it
after the fact. But like there was an attempt to
turn this woman who got you know, blasted in Minnesota
into like, you know, a similar like George Floyd's situation,
you know, an effort to like cynically use that to
promote political violence. And again it's like, look like I
don't obviously I don't have anything in common with those people,
but like political violence is bad for everyone. Like I
don't want to live in a country where there's like
the it's like an Italian years of lead, right, just
like a running gun battle in the street, but at
the same time, like the temperature is not decreasing. And
so yeah, man, I think, like, to me, that's one
of the trends that I've been wanting. I mean, dude,
even going back to the first Trump administration, when Antifa
suddenly sprung into existence, it's like, this is not a
good thing to have happened in society, you know, regardless
of your political opinions.
Speaker 4: Now one hundred percent it's and I mean we've been
talking constantly about it, you know, politics and all these
different things, but it is obviously spiritual at the same time,
one hundred percent, there is spiritual warfare going on in
this country. A lot of people do not like talking
about that because it's very uncomfortable for a lot of
people to talk about because it's it's almost impossible for
everybody to comprehend what that is. But there is obviously
something spiritual with this. When you see somebody who's a
truon who's drawing pictures of themselves being a demon in
their journal and talking about how they've wanted to end
it all for a long time, and they decide, I'm
gonna go to a school with a bunch of little
kids and I'm gonna just start shooting them. There is
something more. It's not the fact that they hate these
people because these religious people don't like abortion or they
don't accept my way of life or whatever. There is
something more. People are being compelled to do these things
on some level. I know a lot of people are
gonna disagree with me. A lot of people don't like
talking about that. I get it, but it's just true,
and you know, it's not stopping, and it's not going
to stop. This is going to get worse, and unfortunately,
I don't think we've seen even half as bad as
it's probably gonna get. I think the future of this country,
especially in regards to violence in general, it's just gonna
heat up more and more. And we just have to realize,
as like men, whether younger men, older men, we're entering
harder and harder times in this nation. You know, we're
our life are you know, time in this on this
earth is not going to be easy. We're going to
be tested by a lot of different things, and this
is one of them. And I truly do believe it
is a spiritual aspect because people are being compelled by
so many different forces and they're abandoning God. And even
in a lot of the churches, the churches themselves, these megachurches,
these aren't real. What they're teaching people isn't real. It's fake.
It's for show it. It is pushing political agendas, it
is pushing, you know, heresy in a lot of ways.
And I'm not going to comment on which church does what.
That's not for us to talk about here. I guess
today that could be a whole other conversation. But it
is true. And now you have people who are turning
to religion and it's not even honestly real. It's hollow
and it's fake. And you have people that need a purpose,
they need a belonging, and you see these troons, you
see these people they find that in these communities, and
a lot of these communities are designed to groom people
and to essentially radicalize them to become violent. That's something
people don't like talking about. But there's a lot of
these groups all over the internet, and that's their whole
goal is to just get people to become violent and
to do things to other people or to themselves, and
that's evil. Like there are people like the uh I'm
not going to say the specific names because I don't
want to talk about it, but there's certain groups where
that's their whole mo. They go on to mental health forums,
they go on to sites like Roadblocks or you know, Fortnite,
all these different games, and they look for kids that
are struggling, befriend them, They get them onto discords and
then they start you know, befriending them and all these
different things, and then essentially they get the kids to
send them stuff that they shouldn't send them, and then
they start exploiting them. And then they sometimes they get
the kids to do violent things to either other people
or to animals, or to even themselves. And the whole purpose,
the whole reasoning behind these groups doing these things is
simply because they're nihilistic and they just hate society and
they hate people. There's something evil in that.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and look like I realize you know, it's
also weird because when you and I think the government's
calling it like violent nihilistic extremism, which is, you know,
a stupid government term. But you do see this genuine
like edge lord horseshoe theory where it's like Satan worshiping,
neo Nazi, communist trumans, like the most incoherent random ideology
all thrown together. I did a series I can't remember
the guy that I did it with. Well one, I've
been doing this longer series with my friend Thomas seven
seven about occult violence in the US going back to
the fifties and sixties. So people are interested, can go
look that up. But also I did a show talking
about the Order of nine angles. Oh yeah, is one
of several instances. And that's a weird one because it's
always difficult to say, like how much of this real,
how much of this is edgy for attention stuff on
the internet, and people can debate that among yourselves. But like, nonetheless,
there is a deliberate targeting and grooming operation to get
kids in, get them to incriminate themselves, get them to
basically buy into this and then do something horrible, which
is the same mechanism that we see with the trand stuff,
we see with the the sex work stuff or anything else.
It's this idea of compromising yourself so that you're bought in. Right.
It's like it's the same thing as like, you know,
fraternities do this where they like, you know, they make
a bunch of guys do some minor crime together, you know,
like steal a sign and that's harmless enough, right, it's mischief.
But the idea is you're bonded in that, right, It's
like you're you're blooded in. You know, you've made your bones.
It's like your criminal organization would say, yeah, man, and
I'm glad you brought up roadblocks, because look, I'm it's
never really a roblocks kid. I lived out in the
middle of nowhere without Internet, so you know, I kind
of I got to it late. But like that and
many other platforms are very clearly facilitating this. And I
mean Discord again, right, the Charlie Kirk shooting, you know,
others have been basically planned and facilitated on Discord. And look, man,
you've been around for long enough, same as I. You
were aware that if you or I take our opinions
to a certain degree and post certain symbols will be
nuked from orbit. Like ID accounts nuked on Discord for
being in a server with the guy that got nuked,
Like I didn't even say anything, but that stuff's fine.
And to your point about this being sort of like
a religious war or war of belief, it just as
we wrap this up like one of the things, I
think that's kind of like you could almost look at
it as like darkly comedic or like a you know,
a silver lining to this cloud is like, well, everyone agrees,
like even Jordan Peterson ten years ago agree that that
young men are facing a crisis of meaning where it's like, okay,
like you're like Alex Jones, is directionally true, you're fighting
satanic pedophiles, Like yeah, that's some meaning to your life,
you know, like that's that's something to do, right, that's
more than just pure nihilism. And so there's a weird
way in which it's almost like I wonder if that
will you know, create the purpose that many young men need,
not you know, just the like ultra edgelort stuff on
the internet, but like the fact that like this is
becoming a like very kind of choosing my words carefully here,
but like a genuine like religious struggle between two mutually
more than two but like mutually incompatible visions of what
it is to be a country, what it is to
be a man, what is to be human? Even right
if you look at the like crazy transhumanist stuff and like,
I don't know, I think that, you know, the the
turn to religion is in many ways of reaction to that.
But Tom Man, we have gone over time. This has
been a great conversation. So we mentioned obviously you have
a YouTube channel, but what do you do on it
and where else can people find you?
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, well, uh yeah, I have a YouTube channel.
I just do political conversation pieces. I record my thoughts
on like pretty much whatever, if it's something that just
recently happened in the news, or if it's issues kind
of like what we've been talking about, and it's basically
just me having a conversation. It's that's kind of how
I see it. It's like I'm having a conversation with
whoever's watching the video. And it's very simple, very bare bones.
It's nothing crazy, no fancy editing. Every once in a
while I'll do something, but that's pretty much it. I
just have think pieces and I don't write scripts or anything.
It's just kind of like my unfiltered thoughts and I
just discuss, like different issues and problems, and I have
it on YouTube as well as Rumble, and you can
find me on YouTube and Rumble at just Tomfoe. I
believe there's only one other person that has tomfo on
YouTube and he stole my name and he makes music.
But you'll get me first when you look it up,
and on Rumble it's just tomfo And then I'm on X.
I'm pretty active on X as well, and that's under
tomfo one and that's where you'll get the You just
find the picture of the chicken and that's where I'll
be at. But no, man, Like, I really am grateful
that I got to come on here and have this
conversation with you. I'm sorry we didn't get to talk
about the two topic that we were like wanting to discuss,
but this was very interesting. I feel like I feel
like we could definitely do this again. For sure.
Speaker 6: I have to have you on again. It's funny because
every time, and I understand why, people you know, ask
me like, Hey, what are we going to talk about?
And I always kind of like internally smile because I'm like, Ah,
this is what I say. We're going to talk about.
City happens. But yeah, man, the uh, one more thing,
we'll wrap this up. But it's funny you talk about,
you know, getting go the internet into finding someone else
that shares your name. My name, no one else has
but my old profile picture which I just found.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: It turns out and it's a very similar to the
one I have now. But it turns out it was
just an image I found on the internet that was
originally from some like nineteen year old art student in
Korea who'd done this study. And all of a sudden,
I see this kid like freaking out. He's like, wait
a minute, what have you done with my art? Why
are you associating me? Bro? And so I changed. I
felt i'd even think about it, right, Like you just
pick a photo. I mean, you realize it's literally in
some kid's resume. You're like, oh, well that sucks. I'm sorry,
I will change it. The damage is done, I guess.
But yeah, understandably he did not want the association, and
I guess I don't blame him. Yeah, everyone should check
out tomfo stuff. It's great of at linked in the description.
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Like he was just saying, like, hey, man, how is
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support him again. Tom In, this was great. We'll have
to have you back on sometime.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure, definitely, definitely, thank you man. I really
appreciate it.
Speaker 6: To everyone at home, keep your head up. I can't
last forever. Good Night,