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Speaker 2: Meaning the live man like this man letting butterfly flappen

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in wing, dig down in o forest. Man, it gonna

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cause a tree fall, letting five thousand miles away.

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Speaker 3: Man, nobody see nobody. You don't need no man. We

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don't like you.

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Speaker 4: Story and you got like that? That's the man.

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Speaker 3: Don't like it. Dang on a pan on right, don't matter?

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 6: All right, tomfo, welcome to the Jay Burdon Show. How

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you doing that?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great. Thank you for having me on. Man,

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it's really appreciate the invite, and I'm excited for this conversation.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, dude, I am too. It's always fun, like the

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Internet's a big place because every once in a while

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I discover like these sort of gems where it's like

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I don't know how I've never seen your stuff before.

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You do a style of video. That's when I say

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it's like they don't make them anymore. I'm not insulting you.

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I'm saying I wish they would, but it's kind of

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a lost art on YouTube. And rumble right, the videos

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you put out, they're well done. So yeah, man, I'm

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really excited to be recommended your stuff and then to

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get you on the show man what.

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Speaker 4: I really appreciate that. And and yeah, I like a

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lot of people don't really do the type of content

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I do. It's just kind of simple and it's not

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overthinking it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting. It is sort of like and I'm

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a feeling we're roughly the same age and so of

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proportionally to our life spend spend a lot of time

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on YouTube, and you sort of see these different trends,

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you know, and this is kind of the era of

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like the three hour video, you know, the documentary on xshy.

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Yeah exactly, And you know, I'll enjoy some of that

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from time to time, but I do kind of miss

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the era of the response video, you know, like maybe

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it's nostalgia, but it is something you don't see much anymore.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, for sure, I can't do too many of

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the video essays anymore because they're like Netflix documentaries and

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it's like it's way too much. I just like the

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the more simpler stuff. There's a few other YouTubers who

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do this style of content, and they're actually the reason

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why I do it. They inspired me. Like Jimmy Talks

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is one of them, for sure. He just puts gameplay

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, look like the very similar reason to

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why I have an interview show. You know, I saw

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other people doing it and I was like, oh, I

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feel like I have something to add, or like I

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wish I could have said something, and writing out of

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YouTube comment you realize really quickly it's like, oh, this

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is an unfulfilling waste of time, and I guess you

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can just do things right. As the meme goes, Yeah, dude,

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super kind of detailed breakdown, but like, how do you

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get an interested in politics? Because look, you know niche

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you know, it's still not something that you know, every

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person you bump into is familiar with So how do

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Speaker 4: Uh, well, definitely just online all the time. That's that's

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number one. But uh, I got into politics right before

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I turned eighteen, So I turned eighteen the year Trump

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was running, So that was the first time I got

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to vote, and I got like super into the drama,

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and I became a pretty big Trump supporter, and I

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was just kind of energized. I feel like twenty sixteen

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who kind of got into politics because of Trump, I

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to where I am. Because there was always some niche

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the election being stolen or COVID, all these different conspiracies

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things going on. You were always just kind of like

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so it just keeps pushing you further and further. And

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then in twenty twenty four, I voted for Trump for

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got a little bit more radicalized because I kind of

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figured the Trump admin wasn't doing what I've kind of

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or there's just been one disappointment after another from the

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establishment conservatives and I don't, you know, like the Democrats.

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you know. And it's kind of as simple as that,

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to be honest. It's just the Democrats hate white guys

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and they hate young dudes, and they push all this

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LGBTQ stuff on you, and then the Republicans don't really

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do that much better, and so you just kind of

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end up where I'm at. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Man, I missed the first Trump election by just a

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few months. I was too young to vote for it,

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but really remember, yeah, yeah, just a little bit. But

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older people right like at my school or at you know,

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church or whatever kind of social gathering get really upset

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and really offended by Trump, right, and eventually, you know

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a lot of these people would kind of come around

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on it, but you saw that kind of like never

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because you could both annoy you know, the most irritating

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people in the world liberals and also like the president

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of your school or either the principal of your school

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or whatever. And so that was really fun. So like

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to both you know, do something funny and also kind

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after that, and dude, it was a disaster. Like there,

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I've said it before on my show, so I'll you know,

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fly through the story. But like they bring us in

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small school, a couple hundred kids break us into you know,

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men and women, And for the men, it was like

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a full on struggle session. Like there was this big,

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you know, kind of double wide kind of woman at

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the front and she literally said, it's a phrase like

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burned into my head. You know, one in three women

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on a college campus will be raped. Look to your right,

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look to your left. One of those men could be

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a rapist. Dude like seventeen. I guess I was eighteen barely,

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but like, hey, that's that's kind of a strong start,

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you know, to your college experience and to your point. Right,

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you know, putting address on I guess, but like that's

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not an option, and so they're like, okay, well, I guess,

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like the Republicans are my guys, and you know, there's

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some things that I do or don't like. And then

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like this is the two options presented are non viable

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was obviously the whole twenty twenty thing, because it's basically like, oh,

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like we're depending on your opinion. You can just turn

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off an election, you can change the way that we

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do things, and then you have you know, Joe Biden

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and I have a very distinct memory as helping one

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of my buddies move and you know the whatever. The

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roof of his new place needed some repair. So we

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were just like a shoot, like, we'll put a tarp

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to actually fix it. So I'm sitting on the roof

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with my best friend and it's right when you know,

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of like, oh, if you don't have the thing, right,

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YouTube strike for. If you don't have the thing, you

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can't work, you can't get a job. So still in

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college at the time, and I was like, am I

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the underclass? You know, like some guy like begging for

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money because I won't do this. And it's like, oh,

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I guess that's how much they hate me. You know,

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they're willing to do that, like you can't even contribute

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to society. And I think that like a lot of guys,

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and it sounds like you're in the kind of similar position.

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seems like he's gonna win, and you're like, okay, like

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learned who you couldn't trust, couldn't trust how you have

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to take on a government that hates you. And for

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like the first couple of months, it's like, okay, like

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it seems like he's learned, you know, learned what you

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need to do. And then real, real quickly, all that

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goes away, and it's like, okay, so you're your one

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priority is a certain Middle Eastern democracy. That's what it

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comes down to. And so even when you know, as

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the moniles would say, right, you do the thing, you

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get your guy in the big you know, anti establishment guy,

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it's like, oh, okay, so so nothing changes. So we

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just have no solution within this system. And I mean,

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look like obviously I've been on the internet saying radical

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things well before that, but that's one of those ones.

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We're like, okay, so that's that's the state of play.

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know the age thing as well, because like one of

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my least favorite I guess fa I should do kind

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of like reading these is the like endless number of

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like articles and opinion pieces about like why are young

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men so radical? And the solutions are all completely insane,

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like oh, we'll just find a you know, a chubby

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Hispanic woman to go to frat parties and that'll you know,

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win them back over for you know, the Democrats or whatever.

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mean when I say that, Yeah, but I'm curious and

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maybe I could throw back to you, like what's your

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answer that question, like why are young men so radical?

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Speaker 4: Hm? See, this is something i've you know, because obviously

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I'm older gen Z, but I'm still part of the

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to experience those firsthand, you know, when they first started

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it's not just one simple answer. You'll hear it from Republicans,

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for example, when they talk about it, they'll talk about

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young men and they'll say, you'll see some chick go

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on Fox News and talk about how young men just

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want to play video games and they don't want to,

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you know, interact with society. They don't want to marry

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a single mom or you know, step up to the

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plate or whatever. And then when they talk about solutions,

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they always talk about like the economy, and they'll they'll

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say stuff like, oh, we just need to give them

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the ability to buy a house, if they could own

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a home, or it's the job, or it's the taxes,

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you know, it's it's it's money, and they focus on that.

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And then for Democrats it's they say the money. But

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then they have some weird thing where it's like they're

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being men are brainwashed and they're just all misogynists and

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that's why they're unhappy, and we just need to liberate

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them from that way of thinking and then we can

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all be equal. So they're both like getting it wrong,

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because it's not just one reason why men are the

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way they are. A big reason is because of you know, purpose,

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a lot of young men in today's society, they lack

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a purpose, and no one amount of them being able

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to buy a home or have some corporate job that

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really is just a bullshit job to be honest, that

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doesn't really matter, that can get replaced with AI in

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ten years, is gonna you know, fill that void. You

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have a generation of men that were demonized one hundred percent.

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You had a generation of men that were kind of

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just kind of just abandoned, you know, even with today,

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Like a problem the Republican Party has is they keep

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doing things that favor the older generations, like the boomers,

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and then they'll talk about how young men are angry

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because they can't afford a home, but then they won't

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and act policies that are gonna bring home prices down.

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They'll give you a fifty year mortgage, but that's just

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about it. And they think it's it's money. They think

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it's because they can't afford things. But there's so much more.

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There's the purpose, you know that there's the idea of

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this country doesn't have a future. There's the idea that

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it's wrong for young men to be masculine, and it's

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wrong for young white men to be proud of being white.

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It's wrong for you to have a sense of identity

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and belonging, and these things give you purpose in a way.

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It's not just about money or affording a home. Also

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another reason is quite frankly, it is because of dating.

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but also like friendships. I think young gen Z men.

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that talked about how like fifteen percent of gen Z

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men have no friends, like at all. They're chronically just

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online and they have nobody to talk to. And then

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our generation we grew up when if you want to

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talk about dating, because relationships, you know that that gives

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you a family, that gives you legacy, that gives you kids.

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It's kind of impossible at this point, Like it's very

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screwed up. Like ever since before I was old enough

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to date, there was a dating app. You know, before Tender,

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there was Hot or not before that, there was Facebook.

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And it's feminis like feminists and the feminization of the country.

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It's a very radical ideology that's kind of rooted at

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the core of this nation. You even have Republican conservative

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women that are basically covert feminists, and they'll talk about

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all these issues with men, but they won't talk about

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problems with women and how a lot of women these

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days are kind of undateable. And it's not to say

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that men are completely datable. There's a lot of problems

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that go both ways. But the reason why young men

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are so angry and there's so many issues is because

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it's not just one problem. It is the economy, it

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is the future. It is the fact that the leaders

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have completely abandoned the future of this nation and sold

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the future that's supposed to belong to the children to

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Black Rock and all these different companies. It's you know,

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we have a country that has no no real like morals.

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There's no like real role models for young men. Either.

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With black families, you have like no fathers in the families,

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so they have no men to look up to. And

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then with white men and white kids, they have fathers

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that are basically just cooks, and they don't stand up

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for anything, and they don't believe in anything, and at

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the first sight of any type of conflict, they just

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kind of like cower. And you just have a lot

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of issues that have just been compounding throughout the decades. Really,

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and gen Z men are kind of reaching a powder

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keg moment where they're just angry. A lot of them

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are just checked out. And it is because you know,

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they can't date. It is because they have no purpose.

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It is because you know a lot of them will

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go to college, they'll get a degree, they won't be

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able to find work. It is because they can't get home.

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So it is the economy as well. But you don't

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really have any leaders that are focusing on the real

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issues that men have. They think it's just we can

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have them buy a house or whatever, and that's going

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to fix everything. And it's like, no, there's so much more,

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but nobody wants to have that conversation.

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, and look to that point, Like a

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house is obviously there's the literal thing of owning a house,

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owning a property, having a stake in society. That's really

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important because then you own a piece of it, you're

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tied into it. But it's sort of symbolic of a

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bunch of other things, right, Like you're one hundred percent

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correct that, like the money isn't all of it, but

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the fact that like it is incredibly difficult to find

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a decent job. You know that many people are drowning

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in debt. You know, an ever greater portion of their

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income is being used to you know, provide basic necessities.

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Like I was talking to uh Proving bull right, he's

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I think he's about our age about exactly this, and

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he's super smart, you know right now he works as

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a you know, financial analyst. So like he's you know,

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a smart kid, right, And so I just asked him offhand.

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I was like, hey man, how many jobs have you

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applied for? And his answer was if I'm not I

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don't want to misquote him here, but he's like around

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six hundred.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 6: And like, look like there's a reason I'm a professional

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internet guy. That's because I had a very similar experience.

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Like and I'm not this is obviously years ago. I'm

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not torn up about it. But like I graduated from

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a you know, a competitive program in a degree that

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people tell you to get, right, Like this is what

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you get if you want a job. How was working

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a clothing factory? Like that was what I did after school.

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And look like the economy sucks sometimes it happens, but

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that feeling of hopelessness you're talking about where it's like

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what do I got to do to get ahead, like

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it feels as if, you know, you're always behind the

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eight ball, and you know, as regards dating, this is

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something that's really hard to express to people who didn't

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grow up in kind of the the algorithm era right

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when it, you know, because look like you know, even

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kind of like core and older millennials remember the before

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social media era, is that like that radically changes the

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playing field because again, one, you are basing a relationship

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at least even if you get to that point off

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of like fleeting momentary attraction like not how you talk,

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not your social setting, whatever, just that. And also it

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plays into like negative you know, negative traits in female psychology,

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which is like, oh, well, I string along a bunch

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of guys, you know, just get the attention from it.

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And I think you're right to point out, like, look

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like this, men and women both if we wouldn't even

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just break it out of those categories, both have very

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real problems. Like you can look at you know, the

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female rate of mental disorders and suicide. All of these

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things are getting worse. But like at a more basic level,

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one of the things that I think is kind of

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interesting about gen Z is that many of the things

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that previous generations said they thought or said they would do.

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We were actually kind of forced to do so, Like

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if you look at you know, boomers, what they and

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we're talking in aggregate, right, there's a huge generation. I

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know some of you were the good ones. So if

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you're listen this, you are one of the good ones.

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The point is, like you see this huge gap between

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stated and revealed preference. What people will say if you

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call them on the phone, like I guess that's how

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they do polling still and say like what do you

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think about this? And how they actually live their life?

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You know, the patterns of marriage and family formation similar

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slightly decreased with generations after that, but for us, like

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the kind of like war between the sexes was it

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still is just raging. So like look like I'm married,

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I met my wife, you know, young common religious community, right,

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so I was sort of able to opt out of this,

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but like that's not only incredibly unique, but like my

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friends didn't have that, Like my peers don't have that,

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and you know, going through college and we were dating,

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like I'd see my friends her friends going through this

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and just getting chewed up by it. Like the guys,

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who are you know, like I probably shouldn't say this,

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but like a guy I know who's you know, got

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a six figure job, owns a house, and it was

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on like a good looking guy on like a five

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year cold streak, you know, of just like nothing, and

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you're like, okay, look like, clearly this isn't working. And

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it's tough to talk to people who grew up in

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the before times because they'll give you this kind of

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pull yourself up by the bootstraps advice and it's just

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incredibly infuriating to listen to it because you're like, look,

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man like, the situation has changed so dramatically from when

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you know you were on the dating scene, so to speak,

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and it it's doubly difficult because like, if you're giving

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someone advice, it's actually not horrible advice given the limitations,

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because look, man like, you or I can't fix this

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big problem, right, I can't do anything to solve the

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dating market. So within that limitation, being like okay, well,

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like what can you do? Can you improve how attractive

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you are, improve your prospects or whatever, even if it's difficult,

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like within your power, that's probably your best bet. But

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at the same time, so often that is given in

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such a dismissive way of like, oh, you know, men

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are useless. Why won't you get off your phone? Why

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are you buying avocado toast in eight dollars? Lattes that

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it like completely blows up any possibility of like you know,

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how to actually move forward. And again when I say,

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like pull yourself up by your bootstraps is the best advice,

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I mean, that's a great solution. But if you've got

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literally two cards to play, either do that or do nothing,

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it is technically better, but again, like it's still a

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it's a tough sell, and it's like I understand why

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people get so upset about it, but I'll throw it

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back to you, Tom No.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're one hundred percent correct. Like, the only

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thing you can do if you're a young man is

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you know, better yourself. That's all. That's all anyone can do,

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not just men but women. That's like the whole point

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is you wake up every day and you try to

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do better than you did the day before, and that's

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the only way anyone makes it. But when it comes

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to dating, especially like you said, when you talk to

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older generations, I kind of feel bad for older generations.

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Or older men, especially when it comes to them giving

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advice to like their sons when it comes to dating,

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because unless you have like a specific set of circumstances,

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like kind of how you said you met your wife young,

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you guys were in a religious group together. I have

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a friend who has pretty much the same story. He

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met his wife when they're both fourteen at church. They

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only dated each other, they waited till marriage before they

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had sex. They got married at like twenty three. I

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was the best man at the wedding, and you know,

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they don't have kids yet, but they're fixing to get

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a they're happy, they're in love. He's the only person

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I know out of all of my friends who was

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blessed enough to be in that circumstance. And he did

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follow all the advice that he should have done. He

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treated her respectfully, he never cheated on her, He was

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a man of God, all these different things, and you

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know he's going to be blessed for that. They're going

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to have a beautiful family. But he's the only one

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I know, And I know other guys that met, you know,

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women in church and when they were younger, and the

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relationships just didn't work out. My first girlfriend and I

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actually got engaged to her when I was nineteen. That

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00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,640
didn't work out, and I met her at church, and

475
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,680
so after that I did kind of go through the

476
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,680
meat grinder, Yeah, the tender, the bumble, the dating scene.

477
00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:57,279
And it kind of sucks because this society, because of

478
00:26:57,319 --> 00:26:59,960
social media and the internet, Like this is a general

479
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:05,640
that is experiencing the algorithm. Like you said, that's never

480
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,839
happened throughout history, So the first generation to be raised

481
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,799
on that, and it's it's completely alien to us, and

482
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,920
so we're kind of responding to it in ways that's

483
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,240
very unpredictable. Nobody can kind of figure out why certain

484
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:28,119
things are happening until like it's too late, essentially. And

485
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,640
the problem with like older generations when they try to

486
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,400
give you advice, like older men, is that they give

487
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,519
you really good advice. It's just the time isn't the same.

488
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,480
A lot of young men, if they follow the advice

489
00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:46,759
for dating that their dad gives them, they're just gonna

490
00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:51,319
get like screwed up, Like they're honestly gonna get like

491
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,680
completely I'm trying not.

492
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 6: To say pepper honest like Pepper at best.

493
00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:02,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like there's just a lot of ways, like

494
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,240
women are just different because of social media, because of

495
00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:08,799
and not even just younger women. You see this with

496
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,559
older women too that get divorced and try to re

497
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:16,279
enter the dating scene. It's different all around. And so

498
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,079
the only way a lot of like young men have

499
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,279
to succeed if they're not like in the right circumstance

500
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,240
is you kind of have to be an asshole. That's

501
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,240
like something you have to do. You have to play

502
00:28:28,279 --> 00:28:30,359
by a different set of rules if you want to

503
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:35,559
get some type of reaction from women, and it doesn't

504
00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:38,599
necessarily make you a good person. That's why you see

505
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:40,759
like a lot of guys who they get a lot

506
00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:43,799
of girlfriends or they date a lot, they don't keep them,

507
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,440
and those relationships don't last that long because relationships nowadays

508
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,480
for most people are just kind of for show. It's

509
00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:56,119
either just for sex, or it's because the girl wants

510
00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:59,079
a boyfriend because all of her friends have boyfriends, and

511
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:02,839
that's why she has boyfriend. But as soon as that

512
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:08,200
fleeting feeling of happiness goes away, the relationship is over essentially,

513
00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:11,599
And if she doesn't break up with you, she's probably

514
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,319
just gonna cheat on you because she's already moved on

515
00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:17,880
to somebody else in her head, and vice versa. Guys

516
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,079
can do the same thing. So relationships are just kind

517
00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:27,960
of like it's honestly probably the biggest problem the West

518
00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:30,640
has in general. Like we can talk about the economy,

519
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,799
you can talk about like political differences, but if we

520
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,359
don't figure out relationships, we're not going to be able

521
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:42,880
to save the country at all. Like it's just not

522
00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:45,039
going to be salvageable.

523
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:52,599
Speaker 6: Well, I wrote a piece responding to David french right,

524
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,640
who's quite possibly the most owned man in existence, and

525
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,279
his whole thing was responding sort of vaguely, he didn't

526
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:05,000
really understand it to guys like you and I. The

527
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,960
piece of The New York Times titled you know what

528
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:09,799
happens if I refuse to admit that America is in decline?

529
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,359
And you know, one of the things he talks about,

530
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,160
he's like, oh, well, you know, don't you know, Like

531
00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:17,359
divorce is down from what it used to be, you know,

532
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,599
and and abortion is down. And it's like, well, cool, dude,

533
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,039
but also like why like why is you know, divorced down?

534
00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:28,079
And it's like, well, to be honest, dude, no one's

535
00:30:28,079 --> 00:30:31,599
getting married, Like proportionally even to you know, just a

536
00:30:31,599 --> 00:30:34,279
few generations ago. Like you see this even on a

537
00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:36,920
much more basic level, like the percentage of you know,

538
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,640
Generation Z that hasn't even had sex, which look like,

539
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:41,720
you know, I'm not gonna say that, like you know,

540
00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:44,839
mass you know, casual hedonic sex is like a great

541
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,359
place for society to be, but it at least means

542
00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:51,279
that like people are interacting at like some basic level,

543
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,160
and it's really not the case. There have been a

544
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,960
couple think pieces from you know kind of uh, you know,

545
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,440
aging women talking about how you know, public spaces have

546
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,119
become female, right, Like they go to a restaurant and

547
00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:08,400
they say, I just see women together. And it's one

548
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,440
of these things where it's like you're right to point

549
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,279
out like the isolation of men, but also like in

550
00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:18,079
a weird way, men and women have become different political

551
00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:20,640
classes and like the same way that like you hear

552
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,039
communists talk about like the you know, the workers at

553
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:26,200
the bourgeoisie, where it's like they have they view themselves

554
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,599
as a block with different interests. And you know, going

555
00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:34,759
through school during COVID was just a mess. But you know,

556
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:38,559
I remember I can't remember which election it was maybe

557
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:40,599
it was I don't think this would have been twenty twenty.

558
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,279
It was some you know, off your election or whatever.

559
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,440
But my wife doesn't vote, never voted, just doesn't care to, right,

560
00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:50,480
And she was, you know, surrounded by other women who were,

561
00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:52,880
you know, as many are quite progressive, and had a

562
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,279
conversation where someone was like, I don't understand how women

563
00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:57,640
can't vote, Like you're not even really a woman if

564
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,640
you don't vote, the implication being vote Democrats. And I

565
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,720
always thought that was kind of revealing because it is like,

566
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,400
in the same way that like black means something literal,

567
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,240
So like Clarence Thomas is biologically black, but he's not

568
00:32:11,359 --> 00:32:15,279
capital B black, right, the political identity because he isn't

569
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,200
you know, on side on certain issues. Just an offhand example,

570
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:21,079
but you sort of see the same thing with women,

571
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:25,240
where you know, women and men seem to or man

572
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:27,240
seems to be kind of trending in the same direction.

573
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:30,599
Has become like it has a dual meaning, and so

574
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,400
there's like this political identity that goes along with it.

575
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:37,359
And I noticed this with you know, my buddies on

576
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,960
social media apps that there are almost no men with

577
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:45,039
like political signs or political slogans and they're dating app profiles,

578
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,319
but there are a whole lot of women with them.

579
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:51,039
And even if you don't count the direct ones where

580
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:53,920
it's like, you know, proud Democrat or free Palestine or whatever.

581
00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:56,160
Maybe we can work on that second one, but whatever,

582
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,839
But like you see the other ones where it's like,

583
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,839
you know, it'll be and I don't really understand how

584
00:33:03,839 --> 00:33:06,200
this technology works for fairly obvious reasons, but it'll be

585
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:09,359
things like you can respond to a question, you know,

586
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,000
like my ideal on man has blank, And one of

587
00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:15,160
the really common ones is you know, he's in therapy, which,

588
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:17,680
let's be honest, we all know what that's code for, right.

589
00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:20,559
It means that you are, you know, basically talking to

590
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:22,640
a lip d art at the tune of one hundred

591
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,000
dollars of an hour until you become one. And I

592
00:33:26,039 --> 00:33:28,319
think that that to your point, like that's a really

593
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,640
deep problem that like being a woman has become synonymous

594
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,599
with progressive policies, and you mentioned it earlier talking about

595
00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:40,000
you know, female Republican influencers where it's like, you know,

596
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:42,799
sure they may be you know, ruby red and conservative

597
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:45,480
on the outside, but you scratch them and you reveal

598
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,519
a feminist, and I think that that's like, that's a

599
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:49,119
huge issue.

600
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 4: Man, m h one hundred percent. What was it that

601
00:33:54,160 --> 00:34:00,480
quote from nineteen eighty four George Orwell, women are the

602
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:05,440
swallower of slogans. That's just like their things. So it's

603
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:08,039
kind of like always a thing. They're very social creatures.

604
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,679
I don't even know why I said creatures, but they're

605
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,960
very social by nature, and so it is kind of

606
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,079
like a performative thing. Like a lot of women, and

607
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,719
I've dated a lot. I'm not going to go into specifics.

608
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,440
I'm not trying to embarrass myself, but most of the

609
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,840
women I have dated are liberal and they are feminists.

610
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,280
I'm not that at all. So for me, I just

611
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,719
avoid or at least when I was dating certain women

612
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:41,599
like that, I would avoid politics altogether. And a lot

613
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:44,559
of them, like even the ones with the slogans and

614
00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:47,920
the stuff on their profile picture, they most of them

615
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,960
don't actually believe it, but it is kind of like

616
00:34:51,039 --> 00:34:53,960
a social status, like they have to do it because

617
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,760
all their friends are doing it because they're social. Like

618
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,159
they have to have a boyfriend because their friends have

619
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:03,960
a boyfriend. They have to listen to this new song

620
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,000
because all their friends are listening to this new song

621
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:09,559
they have to. It's you know, it's for everything. But

622
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,159
the ones that really do believe it, and I have

623
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:18,039
dated some of those, it's like the most deranged stuff

624
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:22,440
you'll ever encounter. I had this one girl who was

625
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:24,239
I was over at her place this one time, and

626
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,280
she was trying to convince me about this book she

627
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,199
was reading about how men had never actually built anything

628
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,400
in society and it was always women. And it was

629
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:36,079
the most I.

630
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 6: Like we was but for the foids.

631
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 4: I guess the Foyds. We was building New York dude.

632
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,880
I was usually the way I would handle that is

633
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,199
I would just kind of nod most of the time

634
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,880
and just be like, oh, yeah, wow, that's crazy, because

635
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,840
you know, I'm just I'm not trying to reveal, like, hey,

636
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,800
I voted for Trump because that doesn't go overwelled. I

637
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,679
did that once and she blocked me, and then she

638
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,519
unblocked me after like two months. But I would just

639
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:06,920
not like talk about my politics. But when that girl

640
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,239
told me that to my face, I just I couldn't

641
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,480
control it. I was just like, what the fuck are

642
00:36:12,519 --> 00:36:14,320
you talking about? What do you mean? Have you ever

643
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,599
been to a city. Have you ever been inside any

644
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:19,639
building ever? Have you used the toilet?

645
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:22,159
Speaker 6: I've ever seen a construction worker before you?

646
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,199
Speaker 4: You have you used that iPhone? Like, what are you

647
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,880
talking about? Men have never built any And she was

648
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,679
serious and I wasn't like too mean, but I should

649
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:35,760
have been a little bit more aggressive, maybe because the

650
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,920
ones that aren't into that, it is like a super

651
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:43,000
religious thing. It is a religion. You know. They've replaced

652
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:48,079
religion with politics. And when you see women talk about

653
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:50,920
how they want some liberal guy who goes to therapy,

654
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:54,559
no they don't. I actually because of my job, I

655
00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:56,880
work with a lot of different types of people. And

656
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,679
one of the guys I work with, he is a

657
00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:02,159
communist and he is a liberal dude. He's all that

658
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,079
stuff that women say they want, and no girl wants

659
00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:07,960
to date him. In fact, he had a girlfriend at

660
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,039
one point and he would cry to me all the

661
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:14,679
time and he would say, oh, like, my relationship's not

662
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,360
going over well, I'm talking to my therapists about it.

663
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,719
It's like, I think I should talk to my girlfriend

664
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,079
about this. And he's like, I got to express my

665
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:25,159
feelings more. And I told him, I told him this.

666
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,079
I was like, look, when you do that stuff. I

667
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:29,599
don't care how feminist your girlfriend is, when you do

668
00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:33,599
that stuff to her, it makes her less attracted to you.

669
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,000
She doesn't want to sleep with you, she doesn't want

670
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,719
to be around you. And he just would not believe it.

671
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,119
And then like two months after I had that conversation

672
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:44,039
with him, he came to me and he said, hey,

673
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:47,960
my girlfriend had a conversation about how when I cry

674
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,239
and stuff in front of her, it makes her not

675
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,280
want to touch me or be around me. And she

676
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:55,519
told him that and then it made him cry even more.

677
00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:59,280
And I'm like, bro, you got to not listen to

678
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,880
that advice. It's not good advice, all right, it's not

679
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,079
gonna you need to just and yeah, she ended up,

680
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:09,519
you know, breaking up with him, and it's been pretty

681
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:12,800
brutal for him ever since. But there is a like

682
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,480
a different political alignment that men and women have, and

683
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:23,880
it is a religious tribal thing for the women especially well,

684
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:24,920
and it's one of those things.

685
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 6: And I get frustrated when I listened to you know,

686
00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:32,440
guys who I don't know what they call themselves now,

687
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:35,920
though like ten years ago would have been like MRAs right,

688
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,000
the men's rights activists because like they'll they'll say a

689
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,079
bunch of stuff and it'll be like that complaint and

690
00:38:41,079 --> 00:38:44,440
they'll be like, yeah, women need to change. And it's like, dude,

691
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:47,639
at one, not how that works for any number of reasons.

692
00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:52,239
But two, it's like that instinct to be like social

693
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,559
enforcers in a different era, it's a very healthy thing, right,

694
00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:00,480
Like if you have you know, a relatively traditional society

695
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,280
with you know, let's just say some semblance of normal

696
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,719
human values. Right, this doesn't have to be Western, just

697
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,559
any society whatsoever. Like having half of your population that

698
00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:16,199
is really interested in enforcing those values makes a ton

699
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,000
of sense. And in fact, you actually see this where

700
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,440
in America up until the nineteen seventies, women were significantly

701
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,400
more conservative than men. It's actually a relatively recent thing,

702
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:30,800
and it kind of makes sense, right, you know, obviously

703
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,280
in the era you know, before contraception, even on something

704
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:38,000
like like we'll just take like you know, sexual moores,

705
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,440
women have a lot more at stake there, Right, If

706
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,719
you live in an era without you know, welfare, without

707
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,400
access to contraception, if you have a kid, that's your problem,

708
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,960
not problem in that way, but you bear the consequence

709
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,679
of that where some guy can just hop on a

710
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,360
train and never be seen again. So it makes sense.

711
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:56,760
But the problem is right that the values of society,

712
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,519
if you want to call them values, have been so

713
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:03,920
pervert to the point where that healthy human instinct has

714
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,480
been completely and totally perverted and twisted to enforce something

715
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:13,719
that's completely messed up. And it's interesting. My buddy Darrel

716
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,320
Cooper Martyr made has this. He talks about this a lot,

717
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,400
you know, talking about how all of these these cults

718
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,599
rise up immediately in the wake of the hippie movement,

719
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,119
and he's talking about this thing where you have people

720
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:31,760
who grew up, you know, these early boomers in a

721
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,320
very traditional society, you know, the kind of stereotypical nineteen

722
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,519
fifties where you know, okay, look, we understand it. There

723
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:40,639
are problems. That isn't like the peak of human civilization,

724
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,559
but comparatively, you know, it was more traditional. And he

725
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:48,039
talks about how, like when that structure goes away, when

726
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:51,800
all of a sudden you have people who are you know,

727
00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:55,840
kind of thrust into like the sexual marketplace, that becomes

728
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,039
a much more real part of life. You have access

729
00:40:58,039 --> 00:41:01,320
to contraception, you know, obviously all the other kind of

730
00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:04,440
you know, social ills that started in the sixties. Well,

731
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,480
you create a bunch of broken people, you create a

732
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,960
bunch of people who are looking for something. And so

733
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:12,559
it's no surprise that you know, you have a bunch

734
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:15,400
of cults, right, you have guys who are saying, I'll

735
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,320
solve that problem. I'll give you that family unit. And

736
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,960
I think you see a very similar thing with you know,

737
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,719
extremely progressive politics. It's like, okay, well you know, and

738
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,400
look like the position of you know, young women is

739
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,000
equally and enviable to young men. Sure they have a

740
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:32,960
better chance in the job market, but like, really is

741
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,760
being a corporate girl boss, wage slave a good life?

742
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,000
Like no, not at all, Like that's a miserable way

743
00:41:38,039 --> 00:41:40,679
to live. But I think a big part of it

744
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,480
is that that, in a very like synthetic, unhealthy way,

745
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:50,639
those progressive politics become that sense of meaning. It's like, oh,

746
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,840
here's what you should be doing with your life, here's

747
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,360
how you become a good person. And it like filters

748
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,400
in and for people who don't have a lot going on,

749
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,400
who you know, are unlikely to have families or you

750
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:04,559
really have anything fulfilling going on, Like it makes sense

751
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,360
and like the real difference is that, like, for very

752
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,000
obvious reasons, that system of belief in what everyone call

753
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:16,639
it like progressivism, woke, whatever, pick your term, like it

754
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,039
does not apply to young white men. And so you know,

755
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,519
that same kind of social atomization that's affecting everyone is

756
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:28,119
making women more progressive, and you know, not necessarily for men.

757
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:31,280
I realized I threw a bunch at you there, but

758
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,960
I've just been kind of thinking about this for a while.

759
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:38,559
Speaker 4: No, I mean, you're one hundred percent correct. I like,

760
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:45,480
with women, it's not their fault they're like this. It's

761
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:51,000
definitely there's a lot of different elements and forces that

762
00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:54,679
kind of all came in together, like what you said

763
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,480
with the boomers kind of growing up being introduced to

764
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,960
birth control for the first time in human history. It's

765
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,360
kind of like the Internet for us. You know, it's

766
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:09,000
something that never existed on mass like that, it's this

767
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:12,800
new thing. It's gonna have some radical effect on people,

768
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,039
especially the younger generations. And then you also have like

769
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:24,440
propaganda coming from Hollywood and all these different institutions kind

770
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,559
of at the time that are pushing feminism and all

771
00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:31,000
these different things. But you know, you were right like

772
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:34,679
with a lot of women, for a majority of pretty

773
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,320
much all society, they're usually really conservative. I think even

774
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,840
during the women's rights movements, for the suffrage or whatever,

775
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:45,800
most women didn't even want the right to vote. It

776
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,320
was mostly men that actually got that passed. It was

777
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:54,480
because that wasn't normal, that wasn't like like a socially

778
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:59,079
acceptable thing up until that point. So it's women are

779
00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:02,079
kind of like the ones that get pushed into accepting

780
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:05,840
those things. But at this point you have probably like

781
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,000
the past like two or three generations where you do

782
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:14,639
see feminism, liberalism, all these different things being pushed, and

783
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,480
a part of it is that it was to you know,

784
00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:23,480
kind of lift up women while also at the same

785
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:27,400
time lifting up minorities and minority men. And then when

786
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,400
it came to white men, it was always kind of

787
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,719
about attacking them. And that's why you see with a

788
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,199
lot of younger men in general, not even just white

789
00:44:36,199 --> 00:44:38,920
young men, you see a lot of them tend to

790
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,960
be more conservative because it's it's a rejection of like

791
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,800
the propaganda and the social engineering that has been compounding

792
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:54,199
the past couple generations. Because with young white men and

793
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,440
gen z especially and even millennials, they get attacked for

794
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,639
just being men, just being white, and then for non

795
00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:04,880
white young men, they're getting attacked for being masculine and

796
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,760
for you know, questioning things, and it's just it's just

797
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,360
kind of like it's also like the lack of purpose

798
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,519
as well, Like a lot of young men are finding

799
00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:21,599
purpose in more traditional values, especially religion, and I think

800
00:45:21,679 --> 00:45:24,880
gen Z as a whole is probably I keep seeing

801
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:29,719
a statistic where it says they're becoming more religious than

802
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,480
past generations, like younger men.

803
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 6: Well, and one of the interesting things on this, uh,

804
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:40,280
both a solution and a problem is one this is

805
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,840
the first time in I think it is roughly three

806
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,400
hundred years of statistics where men are more religious than women.

807
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,239
It's very very uncommon and interesting. But one of the

808
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,400
interest like, even within that population of people who regularly

809
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,920
go to church, there's an interesting split because young men

810
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:04,559
are going primarily to extremely traditional denominations. So you've seen

811
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:10,719
obviously the Ortho bros are growing up. All of my

812
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,719
Orthodox friends are very kind, I'll leave it at that.

813
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,679
Obviously the trad casts and then the more kind of

814
00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:20,039
stringent forms of Protestantism. But what you're seeing is another

815
00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:24,960
bifurcation where a lot of these kind of evangelical mega churches,

816
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,920
the whole sneakers with preachers phenomenon like the stuff you

817
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:33,920
see trad casts raging about on the internet. Those churches

818
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:38,480
are heavily female and the traditional denominations are heavily male.

819
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:42,519
Obviously not all, but again, even in that trend, we

820
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:46,599
see this same bifurcation male to female. But I interrupted

821
00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:47,480
Tom back to you.

822
00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 4: No, no, you're one hundred percent correct. And I actually

823
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:58,239
because I was raised in a mega Judeo Christian church.

824
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,119
So when I was raised in that, I know exactly

825
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:05,239
what you're talking about because I got to see like

826
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,079
those numbers change. And then I left and I became

827
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:11,480
an atheist for a while, and then I became an agnostic,

828
00:47:11,559 --> 00:47:14,360
and then I got saved again a few years ago,

829
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:19,800
so you know, thank God. But in that church, like

830
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,360
in these megachurches, another thing you also see is with

831
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,320
the men that are there, a lot of them are

832
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,320
basically they're gay or they're closeted. And I'm not even

833
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,920
trying to say that to just be offensive. I'm actually

834
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,000
just being honest. So you have a lot of women

835
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:38,559
and the church as a whole This is another thing.

836
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:43,000
It's not just conservatives that have covert feminism, but it's

837
00:47:43,039 --> 00:47:49,079
definitely the religious institutions, the megachurches, they're basically like feminist institutions.

838
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:57,239
They'll push a lot of questionable doctrine and they'll use

839
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,440
the Bible as a way to push that, and it's

840
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:07,639
it supports a lot of women's behavior, like modern women's behavior,

841
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,039
because right now you have a problem with a lack

842
00:48:11,079 --> 00:48:15,760
of accountability for women, and you also have a problem

843
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,360
where the state can kind of take care of women,

844
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,679
and so that's why they don't need men as much.

845
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:26,159
But because of the trends of where things are going,

846
00:48:26,199 --> 00:48:30,559
men are becoming more traditional, going to actually more traditional churches,

847
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,280
not following those those same prinds as women becoming more conservative,

848
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,880
and not even just like the establishment conservative, they're becoming

849
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:45,360
more dissident, right, you could say, because of that, eventually

850
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:49,079
you will find I feel like more women following that path.

851
00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:51,679
And you see that even like online, you see a

852
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:55,159
lot of women kind of repeating the same type of

853
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,320
rhetoric that you'd see. You see a lot of young

854
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,280
women that are starting to like Nick Fuintes and like

855
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,960
all these different people because that's like a trend. Like

856
00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:08,199
they're going to the churches, they're going to the the

857
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,320
RNC conventions, and they're not finding their husband because all

858
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,360
the men aren't going there anymore, you know, they're going

859
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:19,480
somewhere else. And it is kind of crazy that, like

860
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:24,360
you have all these splits, and you have the the

861
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,000
the differences with politics, and then now you have the

862
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:31,039
differences with religion, and it's just constantly just splitting more

863
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:34,119
and more. You have women that are going off becoming

864
00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:36,239
girl bosses, and then you have a lot of men

865
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,440
that are just checking out of society and they're just like,

866
00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:42,800
you know what, whatever. And it's very interesting. But it's definitely,

867
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:48,840
in my opinion, probably the biggest problem our society has,

868
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,559
and whether or not it can be fixed just by

869
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:56,079
you know, waiting it out or through propaganda or you

870
00:49:56,079 --> 00:50:00,320
know whatever. Because propaganda works on women. That's the problem. Like,

871
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,079
that's the reason why they are.

872
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:09,039
Speaker 6: Have you caught this whole like clavical saga or whatever.

873
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:10,559
I'm bringing this up for a reason.

874
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, the clav Yeah, he's a very interesting character. I

875
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,000
think he's really funny.

876
00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:21,639
Speaker 6: But I do too. I just want to say here

877
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:24,519
at the j Burtons show you should not smoke math

878
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,639
tr cheekbones look better. I'm not a medical doctor, but

879
00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:29,800
I believe that that is.

880
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

881
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,519
Speaker 6: But the reason, well, that's exactly what I was gonna say,

882
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:38,480
because like when I was on like super weird weightlifting

883
00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:44,519
forums and like fit back like ten years ago, bone

884
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:47,599
smashing was a meme, like it was a joke, and

885
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,920
like so many of those very niche things, and you

886
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,159
see this in health and wellness in particular, have like

887
00:50:53,679 --> 00:50:57,280
hit the algorithm and gone mainstream in a really weird way.

888
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,599
And there's this meme. But it's it's true. I mean,

889
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:04,199
it's it's my relationship in many others, right, it's racist boyfriend,

890
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,280
crunchy girlfriend, right, the girl who's into you know, like

891
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,880
alternative health and all that. And so to your point

892
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,199
about propaganda, I mean it's basically what where a lot

893
00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:15,800
of it starts. You know, you see the like you

894
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,719
know that and I hate the term tried way for

895
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,079
like six different reasons, but like that whole mean complex

896
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,079
you know around you know, the kind of like purity,

897
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:27,360
and it starts often. It's funny because even like the

898
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,679
progressive press realizes this, you know, they talk about how uh,

899
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:36,480
you know natural like natural uh, cosmetics or a gateway

900
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,639
to the alt right, And I realized, like that word

901
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:42,199
doesn't mean anything, but they're identifying something real. That the

902
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,000
leap from the kind of like you know, hippie, you

903
00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:48,119
know the government's trying to poison you through the food

904
00:51:48,639 --> 00:51:52,920
or you know, some medical treatment or whatever to a

905
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,639
more tradition view that's not a huge jump, really, and

906
00:51:55,679 --> 00:51:59,400
you're seeing a lot of that again through propaganda. I

907
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:03,000
think aditionally, one of the trends that I think has

908
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:08,119
been kind of fun to watch is effectively like, look

909
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:12,239
like all human politics is patronage, right, patron client you

910
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,599
give me this for that? Like it? A lot of

911
00:52:14,639 --> 00:52:20,119
it comes down to that, and as like things get worse, right,

912
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:22,960
as the economy gets worse, as you know AI and

913
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,280
then legal immigration, which is what we were supposed to

914
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,400
be talking about. We haven't even mentioned ninety five percent

915
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,800
of the way through the show. But as those trends continue,

916
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,599
the bribes, the quality goes down, and all of a sudden,

917
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,199
you know, you're not you know, you don't have this

918
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,360
cool job where you can you know, sit on your

919
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,800
laptop in the pool as a project manager. That doesn't

920
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:48,760
exist anymore, and so that bribe, right, that patronage being offered,

921
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,119
that deal gets worse, and all of a sudden, right,

922
00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:54,760
you have an opening, right, Like that's an opportunity for

923
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,880
propaganda to work, because you know the old line, like

924
00:52:58,039 --> 00:53:00,159
it's very difficult for a man or a woman in

925
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:04,400
this case to notice something he's paid not to, right,

926
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,760
he's bribed to stay kind of as you know Andrew

927
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,480
Tate would say in the matrix. But like when that

928
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,400
capacity goes away, when there isn't all that surplus in

929
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,000
the system to keep bribing people to have those kind

930
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,239
of laptop jobs or you know, as the meme goes

931
00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:24,280
you know, jew daycare, right, if you don't have the

932
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:29,360
money to keep that going like that, I think that

933
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,840
there's an interesting opening there. I don't know that's that's

934
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,880
more speculative, and I think that that's a trend where

935
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,679
at the kind of early end of but yeah, I

936
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,320
think it'll be interesting to see how much of those values,

937
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,480
which are synthetic, like they are pushed because you know,

938
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,079
that's what's high status, that's what good people do. How

939
00:53:49,199 --> 00:53:52,800
much of that goes away when the money dries up.

940
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,039
Just me kind of spitballing there.

941
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 4: No, I mean yeah, I think the big question is

942
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:06,239
how many people are going to double down because they

943
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,840
know they were drinking the kool aid and they kept

944
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,880
drinking it. And now the money's gone and the propaganda's gone,

945
00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:16,480
but they're still left with the fact that they were

946
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:18,559
drinking the kool aid and they're telling all their friends

947
00:54:18,599 --> 00:54:21,719
about it for the past twelve years, so they don't

948
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,199
want to look stupid. And you know, people, because we're

949
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,840
very prideful, they will double down on things. So it's

950
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,800
it's kind of crazy to see because this society, because

951
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,840
of the propaganda towards women, it's pushed younger women, especially

952
00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:43,800
into certain areas that are very they're very radical, Like

953
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,400
a big portion of women are getting into sex work

954
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:51,159
and doing stuff like OnlyFans. I know a ton of

955
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:54,079
girls that I grew up with, Like, it's actually insane.

956
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:57,480
And I know this is anecdotal, but it's insane. How

957
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,119
many women I know personally that I grew up with

958
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:07,760
that gotten to OnlyFans. It's actually it's crazy, and most

959
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,559
of them still don't. They don't do it anymore because

960
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:12,519
if any of them made money doing it, you know,

961
00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:16,760
they couldn't continuously make money because it's very competitive and

962
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,199
it's a business, and they don't think of it like

963
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,079
that when they get into it. But the pictures and

964
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:23,960
the videos are online and they stay online forever, so

965
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:31,079
they've kind of they put some mileage on essentially, and

966
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:33,599
because of that, it pushes them into different areas. They

967
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:38,199
become radical feminists, they become radical liberals, They get into

968
00:55:38,199 --> 00:55:40,639
all these different weird beliefs and stuff. And so when

969
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:43,800
the propaganda dies down, when all of that goes away,

970
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,599
are they going to change? I feel like a lot

971
00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:48,840
of them will, because a lot of them do want

972
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,599
those traditional families, they want kids. But how many are not?

973
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,199
You know, how many are going to just continuously push

974
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,559
all these things because they couldn't be wrong?

975
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 6: Well? Do like? This is what I think about the

976
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:07,920
about the troons, right, the the guys who have you know,

977
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,119
bought into this. I'm I gonna get a strike for saying, guys,

978
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:19,480
whatever I said truns the uh this parody. Uh. The

979
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,840
the people who've bought into this more than anything else,

980
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,119
who've literally have put their bodies on the line. And

981
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:28,920
we understand right that these people are literally hooked up

982
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,719
to a medical drip for the rest of their lives

983
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,599
at taxpayer and also personal expense. And you see this

984
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,679
and uh, you know the d transitioners. My buddy Benjamin Boyce,

985
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,679
he interviews a lot of people who de transition and

986
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,440
you know, I don't I'm not going to pretend to

987
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,360
listen to all of them, but if you listen to

988
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,679
a couple of them, you'll pick up on really interesting things.

989
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,119
And one of the things that they talk about is

990
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:54,800
that this immense feeling of buying and it's like leaving

991
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,079
a cult where you know, if you go out, not

992
00:56:57,159 --> 00:56:59,679
only are you all of a sudden having to pay

993
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,000
your self your insurance won't cover detransitioning or getting off

994
00:57:03,039 --> 00:57:05,760
of this. So that's an element of buy in. But

995
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:10,199
also you're a trader. Everyone you have surrounded yourself with

996
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,639
thinks your scum of the earth. And especially when on

997
00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:14,519
the front end of that, you know, when you're going

998
00:57:14,519 --> 00:57:18,440
through your transition, you're encouraged to, you know, cut people

999
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,119
out of your life to socially isolate yourself, like those

1000
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:24,039
people are bought in. And you see it in you

1001
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:26,760
know this this kid that shot Charlie Kirk, who's obviously

1002
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,840
involved in a bunch of weird gender stuff through his

1003
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:33,719
boy or girlfriend if he was talking about this. But

1004
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,199
also right like that that kid who shot likes three Hondurans,

1005
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,760
you know, trying to take out an ice center, where

1006
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:44,480
it's like, yeah, it's basically like all of these And again,

1007
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:47,639
these are, let's be honest, young white men who are

1008
00:57:47,639 --> 00:57:51,519
experiencing the same sort of radical, radicalizing forces we've been

1009
00:57:51,559 --> 00:57:55,559
talking about. But they were able to buy in to

1010
00:57:55,679 --> 00:57:59,360
the progressive plantation at this at the cost of their bodies,

1011
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,920
and now they are more bought in than anyone else.

1012
00:58:02,239 --> 00:58:05,079
They're in these kind of like pressure cookers, and so

1013
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,679
like you basically have like sleeper cells all across America,

1014
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,440
and not just in liberal areas, because thanks to the

1015
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,559
wonders of the Internet and algorithms, you can have a

1016
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:19,480
kid in a three hundred person town in Alabama who

1017
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,119
you know, sees the same content as some blue haired

1018
00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:25,880
barista from Brooklyn, and so like, dude, that's a huge problem.

1019
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,559
And when we're talking about buy in, like those are

1020
00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:31,159
the most bought in people in the world. They are

1021
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:36,239
physically dependent on you know, like the libtardich. Basically like

1022
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,239
their body stops working if they don't get their you know,

1023
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,079
government sponsored hormones, like they'll literally either die or you know,

1024
00:58:43,159 --> 00:58:47,039
have very serious medical complications, let alone all the like

1025
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:50,159
the psychic brainwashing, and you know the social dynamics too.

1026
00:58:50,719 --> 00:58:52,719
And I think that like if we're talking about like

1027
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:57,760
who can come back, right, who can normalize? To be honest, man, like,

1028
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,119
look like this is can the most sexist thing I

1029
00:59:01,159 --> 00:59:04,320
say on this? Women don't really have political opinions in

1030
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,519
the same way. You know, it's it's a different it's

1031
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:11,559
a different thing. And so like this is funny. I've

1032
00:59:11,559 --> 00:59:13,320
said this before. It'll make her bad if she hears it,

1033
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,639
but like you know how like on your iPhone it'll

1034
00:59:15,679 --> 00:59:18,679
show you like your memories or whatever. Now I found

1035
00:59:18,679 --> 00:59:20,760
one from like twenty fifteen or she was a teenage

1036
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,000
or whatever, but it said something like, you know, don't

1037
00:59:24,039 --> 00:59:25,679
try and get with me if you can't get with

1038
00:59:25,719 --> 00:59:28,639
my feminist agenda or whatever. And she's looking back on this,

1039
00:59:28,719 --> 00:59:30,840
you know, ten years later, like just cringing out of

1040
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,519
her skin, so embarrassed, you know, married to a niche

1041
00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:38,360
you know, right wing internet. And so the point is

1042
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,480
like that's largely salvageable, Like, Okay, whatever we can work

1043
00:59:42,519 --> 00:59:44,880
with that, but like the true the guy who's you know,

1044
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,800
cut his dick off to be bunt, you know, who's

1045
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,719
medically dependent on the state. It's like some of those

1046
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:55,639
guys will come back, and you know, there are de transitioners,

1047
00:59:55,719 --> 01:00:00,239
but like that's basically like an army Okay, like a

1048
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,880
mentally unwell, physically frail one, but still like enough to

1049
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,760
you know, grab Grandpa's hunting rifle and like ventilate someone's gardener.

1050
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 4: Mmmm. Now one hundred percent. And I mean they're they're

1051
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:17,000
making militias, they're making groups. It's all over the internet.

1052
01:00:17,079 --> 01:00:22,760
It's a thing. I I did a stream with Focus Trip.

1053
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:27,119
He's a gun YouTuber. Surprisingly enough, I'm actually connected with

1054
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:29,519
a bunch of gun YouTubers because.

1055
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,239
Speaker 6: One thing I've actually also talked to Focused Trip.

1056
01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:32,639
Speaker 4: Uh.

1057
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 6: This is a weird connection.

1058
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,159
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, yeah, I love him. I love him.

1059
01:00:36,159 --> 01:00:38,119
But he's actually one of the reasons why I blew

1060
01:00:38,199 --> 01:00:41,519
up because they reacted to one of my videos and

1061
01:00:41,559 --> 01:00:43,480
then they brought me on to like interview me.

1062
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 2: Over sixty years ago, the Credit Union was created not

1063
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:52,280
for profit, but for better reasons for living for homes

1064
01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:58,280
for futures. The Credit Union for you non profit credit

1065
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,559
unions in the Republic of Ireland, a right by the

1066
01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:01,599
Central Bank of Ireland.

1067
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,039
Speaker 3: Oh Amy, my little one. I ask myself a million

1068
01:01:08,119 --> 01:01:11,159
questions every day. When will you give me your first smile?

1069
01:01:11,719 --> 01:01:14,480
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1070
01:01:14,519 --> 01:01:16,000
you and your big brother to get along?

1071
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,960
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1072
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1073
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1074
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1075
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1076
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Speaker 4: And I got to meet like a whole bunch of

1077
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,199
like his friends, and so I'm connected with like like

1078
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,719
a lot of those guys. And we talked about those

1079
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:47,239
militia groups, the Truon militia groups, and it's crazy, dude,

1080
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,679
Like they they really are training and it is a thing.

1081
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,039
You know, they are bought in and they are just

1082
01:01:54,159 --> 01:01:58,880
like sleeper soldiers all over the US. And they don't care.

1083
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:03,760
You know, they'll if they're willing enough to do whatever

1084
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:09,079
they believe in, they'll they'll gladly sacrifice their life to

1085
01:02:09,079 --> 01:02:10,000
take anybody out of.

1086
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 6: It's crazy, especially when like, let's be honest, it's not

1087
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,559
like these guys have a lot going on, Like they

1088
01:02:16,639 --> 01:02:21,119
are like socially isolated, terminally online, and so like all

1089
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:24,320
that rhetoric around, you know, ashesm and like the threat

1090
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,639
to our democracy. It's like, yeah, sure, you know, your

1091
01:02:26,719 --> 01:02:30,119
liberal aunt says that. She says that, but does she

1092
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,079
does she believe it to the degree or she's going

1093
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:35,920
to you know, pick up a rifle. No, she doesn't,

1094
01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:38,480
for any number of reasons, let alone the fact that

1095
01:02:38,599 --> 01:02:42,519
you know, this hypothetical person's fifty five years old. But like,

1096
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,840
you take a socially maladjusted loser, right, someone who is,

1097
01:02:47,079 --> 01:02:49,559
you know, partially due to their own actions, partially due

1098
01:02:49,559 --> 01:02:52,440
to the sort of systemic issues we've talked about, dropped

1099
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:56,719
out of society. You dope them up on SSRI's exogenous

1100
01:02:56,719 --> 01:03:00,800
hormones and feed like surround them with other mentally well freaks,

1101
01:03:01,199 --> 01:03:04,239
and then you know, tell them this guy is literally

1102
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,760
going to genocide you, you know, like all the rhetoric

1103
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:12,440
around like transgenocide or whatever, like yeah, no shit, dude,

1104
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,119
Like this stuff is like this is gonna happen, And honestly,

1105
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,800
like I've been kind of surprised it hasn't happened. More

1106
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,159
like there's a specific example you're talking about. There's this

1107
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:26,360
article in Wired magazine. I did a stream talking about

1108
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:29,599
it with my buddy Carl, and it's exactly that. Like

1109
01:03:29,679 --> 01:03:32,920
it's this progressive magazine talking about these like oh they

1110
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,280
call them two A for all, but these like I

1111
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:39,119
think that yeah, yeah, And it's in like the most

1112
01:03:39,239 --> 01:03:43,320
fawning language, you know, just gratuitously talking about how cool

1113
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,480
and glamorous these is this you know, a militia is.

1114
01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:48,960
And you know, you got to understand the audience of

1115
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,639
Wired magazine is not the people who are in that,

1116
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,000
but it's for like the normal progressives. Is kind of

1117
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,480
like this signaling of like, oh, this is a cool thing,

1118
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,760
this is glamorous, this is bashing the fash or whatever. However,

1119
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,519
realized that turns fifteen years out of date, you know

1120
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:06,039
what I mean? And like, dude, like you're already seeing

1121
01:04:06,039 --> 01:04:08,960
this with this uh funny enough lesbian who got you

1122
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,320
know shot in uh you know in Minnesota where it's

1123
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:17,519
like this is a powder keg. And like, I'm honestly

1124
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:22,320
surprised we've gotten relatively speaking, the minimal amount of political

1125
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:23,320
violence we've already have.

1126
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:28,719
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's gonna get worse for sure, especially coming

1127
01:04:28,719 --> 01:04:33,599
from like those groups. And I mean, like with a

1128
01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:37,519
lot of those troons as well. There's and I'm not

1129
01:04:37,559 --> 01:04:39,199
gonna say this is all of them, but a lot

1130
01:04:39,239 --> 01:04:43,880
of them. They do that stuff for attention, especially from females,

1131
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,360
cause a lot of women nowadays, they'll see somebody doing

1132
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,719
that and they'll give them support, they'll give them attention,

1133
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:54,400
and they'll be like, oh, yeah, you're you're so strong,

1134
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,360
you're so beautiful, and it gives them attention that they'd

1135
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,760
never had because they are isolated, they are alone, they

1136
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:05,880
are put on all these drugs, and it's just it's

1137
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,239
just not going to lead to anything good or fruitful whatsoever.

1138
01:05:10,039 --> 01:05:13,280
And it's not normal, so it's never gonna be fully

1139
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,559
accepted by society. So it's always going to lead to

1140
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:22,199
something like this. But that's going to be a pretty

1141
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,960
big challenge. But I would also argue that, and yeah,

1142
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,360
like women, you know, like you said, they don't really

1143
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:32,480
have political beliefs. But that's why, you know, it's not

1144
01:05:32,519 --> 01:05:36,000
really politics. It's like a religion to all these people.

1145
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:39,840
It is a tribe it is tribalism. It's almost as

1146
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:41,840
if it is a race thing for them. They are

1147
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,519
on one side of the aisle, and you disagreeing with them,

1148
01:05:45,519 --> 01:05:48,239
you're on the other. You're the enemy. You must be killed,

1149
01:05:48,239 --> 01:05:51,519
you must be destroyed. At the very least, your ideology

1150
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:56,800
must be dominated, because your ideology, your beliefs, lead to death.

1151
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,280
And you know, it takes away women's rights, and it

1152
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:04,519
takes away truons, rites, and it suppresses liberty or whatever.

1153
01:06:04,639 --> 01:06:07,199
Like they have all these different examples, and so for

1154
01:06:07,239 --> 01:06:09,920
a lot of women that are getting radicalized as well,

1155
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,840
Like you talked about the lesbian and Minnesota, I mean,

1156
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,400
women are getting pushed pretty far too. They might not

1157
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:21,800
be going through surgeries, but they're doing things that are

1158
01:06:23,519 --> 01:06:26,760
pretty pretty bad. They're like I said, the sex work thing.

1159
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,199
You have a lot of women that are getting into

1160
01:06:29,239 --> 01:06:33,679
only fans, and if they're not doing only fans, they're

1161
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:38,719
being pressured into doing certain sex acts or doing things

1162
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:43,239
like going to group stuff. I don't want to say

1163
01:06:43,239 --> 01:06:46,639
the word on YouTube, but like you have a lot

1164
01:06:46,639 --> 01:06:49,519
of women that get radicalized and pushed to do things

1165
01:06:49,559 --> 01:06:54,039
that they probably would not have done if they weren't

1166
01:06:54,199 --> 01:06:57,280
a programmed to do so, and so you're gonna have

1167
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:01,639
them mixed with the truons kind of double down even

1168
01:07:01,679 --> 01:07:05,920
when the propaganda stops, like stops, because they're gonna still

1169
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,320
talk to each other and hang out with each other

1170
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,920
and isolate with each other, and they're just gonna keep

1171
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,639
It's gonna be like a feedback loop. The propaganda doesn't stop,

1172
01:07:14,719 --> 01:07:19,000
like they're gonna still feed into each other's delusions, and

1173
01:07:19,079 --> 01:07:21,960
you will see more and more violence coming from this.

1174
01:07:22,039 --> 01:07:24,280
And it's gonna be mostly coming from the men, of course,

1175
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,159
because men are the ones that are more often, you know,

1176
01:07:27,239 --> 01:07:32,679
capable of violence. But it's it's very scary, man, because

1177
01:07:33,519 --> 01:07:37,920
I'm somebody who likes to go out. I I like

1178
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,400
going out. I like going out with friends, I like

1179
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,960
going to concerts. I like going out and dancing. I'm

1180
01:07:44,039 --> 01:07:50,119
a very festive social person. But recently, you know, I've

1181
01:07:50,119 --> 01:07:52,760
had to like think twice about going to certain places

1182
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,360
because it's like something could go down. There could be

1183
01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:00,559
some crazy person there that could actually just just go off.

1184
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,159
There could be a bomb, there could be whatever. Like

1185
01:08:04,599 --> 01:08:11,519
society in America, like it's it's getting very violent, and

1186
01:08:11,559 --> 01:08:13,719
it's disturbing.

1187
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:18,079
Speaker 6: Dude, that to that point, like, you know, I realized

1188
01:08:18,119 --> 01:08:21,600
it's it's poor form to talk about your weapons and

1189
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,159
right wing politics in the same conversation for obvious reasons.

1190
01:08:25,159 --> 01:08:28,760
Not that it's ever stopped me, but like I you know,

1191
01:08:29,119 --> 01:08:31,720
carry it gone for a number of reasons. But it

1192
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:35,399
was never something I did at church until like that

1193
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:40,039
sort of flurry. You remember the the really bizarre instance

1194
01:08:40,119 --> 01:08:44,560
of that Catholic church shooting right where the shooter was,

1195
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:48,319
you know, drawing pictures of demons and my whole symbology

1196
01:08:48,359 --> 01:08:48,840
and all that.

1197
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:50,079
Speaker 4: Dude, Yeah, that.

1198
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:53,199
Speaker 6: Was yeah, And so you start to look at that

1199
01:08:53,199 --> 01:08:56,880
and you're like, okay, like sure, is that political violence

1200
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,359
in the same way as saying, you know, writing you know,

1201
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,239
a leftist slogan on a bullet and you know, blasting

1202
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:06,479
it at the heat of TPUSA Like well guess and no.

1203
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:13,399
And it's like clear that you know, for people of

1204
01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:17,600
that persuasion, like religious communities are a target, like I know,

1205
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,960
you know a religious school in the area that I'm

1206
01:09:21,079 --> 01:09:25,279
vaguely connected to, who as a surprising amount of security

1207
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:27,800
for exactly that reason. I mean, you saw the you know,

1208
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:31,119
the Audrey Hill, one of the few female shooters shot

1209
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:35,880
up that Christian School. But like it's clear because even

1210
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,439
after like you know, Roe versus Wade was overturned right again,

1211
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:43,119
you know, conservative area, you know, conservative church. But like

1212
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:45,720
there were cars in the parking lot that got there,

1213
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,279
you know, their tires slashed and their mirrors broken off.

1214
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:50,399
In the middle of the service. They're like, Okay, that's

1215
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:53,119
not like the biggest deal in the world, you know, like, Okay,

1216
01:09:53,159 --> 01:09:56,520
you may have to file for insurance. That sucks, But

1217
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,640
like that's a sign of something, right that that place

1218
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:02,039
is a hard people are aware of that and have

1219
01:10:02,119 --> 01:10:06,239
antipathy towards that, And yeah, man, like I don't think

1220
01:10:06,279 --> 01:10:09,199
that's going anywhere. If anything, I think it's you know,

1221
01:10:09,279 --> 01:10:13,079
heating up. And like I think that it's clear that

1222
01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:16,119
there is someone, whoever they is. You know, we can

1223
01:10:16,399 --> 01:10:19,000
maybe talk about that later, you know, dig into it

1224
01:10:19,039 --> 01:10:21,359
after the fact. But like there was an attempt to

1225
01:10:21,399 --> 01:10:24,439
turn this woman who got you know, blasted in Minnesota

1226
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:28,279
into like, you know, a similar like George Floyd's situation,

1227
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,840
you know, an effort to like cynically use that to

1228
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:35,800
promote political violence. And again it's like, look like I

1229
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:40,199
don't obviously I don't have anything in common with those people,

1230
01:10:40,279 --> 01:10:43,479
but like political violence is bad for everyone. Like I

1231
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:45,760
don't want to live in a country where there's like

1232
01:10:46,399 --> 01:10:49,119
the it's like an Italian years of lead, right, just

1233
01:10:49,159 --> 01:10:52,279
like a running gun battle in the street, but at

1234
01:10:52,319 --> 01:10:55,680
the same time, like the temperature is not decreasing. And

1235
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,600
so yeah, man, I think, like, to me, that's one

1236
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,119
of the trends that I've been wanting. I mean, dude,

1237
01:11:01,159 --> 01:11:03,840
even going back to the first Trump administration, when Antifa

1238
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,760
suddenly sprung into existence, it's like, this is not a

1239
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,640
good thing to have happened in society, you know, regardless

1240
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:11,720
of your political opinions.

1241
01:11:13,399 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 4: Now one hundred percent it's and I mean we've been

1242
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:23,439
talking constantly about it, you know, politics and all these

1243
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:28,000
different things, but it is obviously spiritual at the same time,

1244
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:33,760
one hundred percent, there is spiritual warfare going on in

1245
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,000
this country. A lot of people do not like talking

1246
01:11:36,039 --> 01:11:39,000
about that because it's very uncomfortable for a lot of

1247
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,319
people to talk about because it's it's almost impossible for

1248
01:11:42,399 --> 01:11:47,520
everybody to comprehend what that is. But there is obviously

1249
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:52,159
something spiritual with this. When you see somebody who's a

1250
01:11:52,239 --> 01:11:58,079
truon who's drawing pictures of themselves being a demon in

1251
01:11:58,119 --> 01:12:01,319
their journal and talking about how they've wanted to end

1252
01:12:01,319 --> 01:12:04,239
it all for a long time, and they decide, I'm

1253
01:12:04,239 --> 01:12:05,880
gonna go to a school with a bunch of little

1254
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:11,279
kids and I'm gonna just start shooting them. There is

1255
01:12:11,359 --> 01:12:15,600
something more. It's not the fact that they hate these

1256
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:19,479
people because these religious people don't like abortion or they

1257
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:22,239
don't accept my way of life or whatever. There is

1258
01:12:22,279 --> 01:12:25,960
something more. People are being compelled to do these things

1259
01:12:26,359 --> 01:12:28,720
on some level. I know a lot of people are

1260
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:32,199
gonna disagree with me. A lot of people don't like

1261
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,159
talking about that. I get it, but it's just true,

1262
01:12:35,319 --> 01:12:38,840
and you know, it's not stopping, and it's not going

1263
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:43,680
to stop. This is going to get worse, and unfortunately,

1264
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:48,920
I don't think we've seen even half as bad as

1265
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:53,680
it's probably gonna get. I think the future of this country,

1266
01:12:54,279 --> 01:12:58,680
especially in regards to violence in general, it's just gonna

1267
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,119
heat up more and more. And we just have to realize,

1268
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:07,079
as like men, whether younger men, older men, we're entering

1269
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,720
harder and harder times in this nation. You know, we're

1270
01:13:11,319 --> 01:13:15,399
our life are you know, time in this on this

1271
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:17,880
earth is not going to be easy. We're going to

1272
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,520
be tested by a lot of different things, and this

1273
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,720
is one of them. And I truly do believe it

1274
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:28,920
is a spiritual aspect because people are being compelled by

1275
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:35,279
so many different forces and they're abandoning God. And even

1276
01:13:35,319 --> 01:13:38,640
in a lot of the churches, the churches themselves, these megachurches,

1277
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:43,279
these aren't real. What they're teaching people isn't real. It's fake.

1278
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:47,199
It's for show it. It is pushing political agendas, it

1279
01:13:47,279 --> 01:13:50,640
is pushing, you know, heresy in a lot of ways.

1280
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,479
And I'm not going to comment on which church does what.

1281
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,319
That's not for us to talk about here. I guess

1282
01:13:56,359 --> 01:13:59,079
today that could be a whole other conversation. But it

1283
01:13:59,159 --> 01:14:01,439
is true. And now you have people who are turning

1284
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:05,439
to religion and it's not even honestly real. It's hollow

1285
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:09,840
and it's fake. And you have people that need a purpose,

1286
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:14,520
they need a belonging, and you see these troons, you

1287
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,880
see these people they find that in these communities, and

1288
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:21,199
a lot of these communities are designed to groom people

1289
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:26,600
and to essentially radicalize them to become violent. That's something

1290
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,680
people don't like talking about. But there's a lot of

1291
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,319
these groups all over the internet, and that's their whole

1292
01:14:32,359 --> 01:14:34,960
goal is to just get people to become violent and

1293
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:39,319
to do things to other people or to themselves, and

1294
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:43,319
that's evil. Like there are people like the uh I'm

1295
01:14:43,319 --> 01:14:45,640
not going to say the specific names because I don't

1296
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,039
want to talk about it, but there's certain groups where

1297
01:14:48,039 --> 01:14:51,640
that's their whole mo. They go on to mental health forums,

1298
01:14:52,199 --> 01:14:56,239
they go on to sites like Roadblocks or you know, Fortnite,

1299
01:14:56,239 --> 01:14:58,399
all these different games, and they look for kids that

1300
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:02,840
are struggling, befriend them, They get them onto discords and

1301
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,359
then they start you know, befriending them and all these

1302
01:15:06,359 --> 01:15:09,039
different things, and then essentially they get the kids to

1303
01:15:09,079 --> 01:15:11,359
send them stuff that they shouldn't send them, and then

1304
01:15:11,399 --> 01:15:15,039
they start exploiting them. And then they sometimes they get

1305
01:15:15,039 --> 01:15:18,720
the kids to do violent things to either other people

1306
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:22,560
or to animals, or to even themselves. And the whole purpose,

1307
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,560
the whole reasoning behind these groups doing these things is

1308
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:30,159
simply because they're nihilistic and they just hate society and

1309
01:15:30,199 --> 01:15:32,640
they hate people. There's something evil in that.

1310
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:39,399
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and look like I realize you know, it's

1311
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,039
also weird because when you and I think the government's

1312
01:15:42,079 --> 01:15:45,800
calling it like violent nihilistic extremism, which is, you know,

1313
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,960
a stupid government term. But you do see this genuine

1314
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:54,960
like edge lord horseshoe theory where it's like Satan worshiping,

1315
01:15:55,560 --> 01:16:01,520
neo Nazi, communist trumans, like the most incoherent random ideology

1316
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:05,560
all thrown together. I did a series I can't remember

1317
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:09,359
the guy that I did it with. Well one, I've

1318
01:16:09,359 --> 01:16:12,000
been doing this longer series with my friend Thomas seven

1319
01:16:12,079 --> 01:16:15,119
seven about occult violence in the US going back to

1320
01:16:15,159 --> 01:16:18,359
the fifties and sixties. So people are interested, can go

1321
01:16:18,399 --> 01:16:20,960
look that up. But also I did a show talking

1322
01:16:21,039 --> 01:16:25,039
about the Order of nine angles. Oh yeah, is one

1323
01:16:25,079 --> 01:16:28,159
of several instances. And that's a weird one because it's

1324
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:30,880
always difficult to say, like how much of this real,

1325
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:34,000
how much of this is edgy for attention stuff on

1326
01:16:34,039 --> 01:16:38,279
the internet, and people can debate that among yourselves. But like, nonetheless,

1327
01:16:38,319 --> 01:16:42,439
there is a deliberate targeting and grooming operation to get

1328
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,600
kids in, get them to incriminate themselves, get them to

1329
01:16:46,039 --> 01:16:49,560
basically buy into this and then do something horrible, which

1330
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,319
is the same mechanism that we see with the trand stuff,

1331
01:16:52,319 --> 01:16:55,159
we see with the the sex work stuff or anything else.

1332
01:16:55,199 --> 01:17:00,239
It's this idea of compromising yourself so that you're bought in. Right.

1333
01:17:00,359 --> 01:17:02,159
It's like it's the same thing as like, you know,

1334
01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:04,439
fraternities do this where they like, you know, they make

1335
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:07,239
a bunch of guys do some minor crime together, you know,

1336
01:17:07,279 --> 01:17:11,079
like steal a sign and that's harmless enough, right, it's mischief.

1337
01:17:11,319 --> 01:17:13,720
But the idea is you're bonded in that, right, It's

1338
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,439
like you're you're blooded in. You know, you've made your bones.

1339
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:19,319
It's like your criminal organization would say, yeah, man, and

1340
01:17:19,319 --> 01:17:22,920
I'm glad you brought up roadblocks, because look, I'm it's

1341
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:24,760
never really a roblocks kid. I lived out in the

1342
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,439
middle of nowhere without Internet, so you know, I kind

1343
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,840
of I got to it late. But like that and

1344
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:35,840
many other platforms are very clearly facilitating this. And I

1345
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:39,279
mean Discord again, right, the Charlie Kirk shooting, you know,

1346
01:17:39,359 --> 01:17:44,039
others have been basically planned and facilitated on Discord. And look, man,

1347
01:17:44,119 --> 01:17:46,960
you've been around for long enough, same as I. You

1348
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,760
were aware that if you or I take our opinions

1349
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,199
to a certain degree and post certain symbols will be

1350
01:17:53,279 --> 01:17:56,319
nuked from orbit. Like ID accounts nuked on Discord for

1351
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,600
being in a server with the guy that got nuked,

1352
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:02,840
Like I didn't even say anything, but that stuff's fine.

1353
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,600
And to your point about this being sort of like

1354
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:08,159
a religious war or war of belief, it just as

1355
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:10,800
we wrap this up like one of the things, I

1356
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,319
think that's kind of like you could almost look at

1357
01:18:13,319 --> 01:18:16,560
it as like darkly comedic or like a you know,

1358
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:22,600
a silver lining to this cloud is like, well, everyone agrees,

1359
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,239
like even Jordan Peterson ten years ago agree that that

1360
01:18:25,279 --> 01:18:28,399
young men are facing a crisis of meaning where it's like, okay,

1361
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:33,560
like you're like Alex Jones, is directionally true, you're fighting

1362
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:37,399
satanic pedophiles, Like yeah, that's some meaning to your life,

1363
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:40,239
you know, like that's that's something to do, right, that's

1364
01:18:40,279 --> 01:18:43,159
more than just pure nihilism. And so there's a weird

1365
01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:46,680
way in which it's almost like I wonder if that

1366
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:50,479
will you know, create the purpose that many young men need,

1367
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,079
not you know, just the like ultra edgelort stuff on

1368
01:18:53,079 --> 01:18:55,800
the internet, but like the fact that like this is

1369
01:18:55,840 --> 01:19:01,279
becoming a like very kind of choosing my words carefully here,

1370
01:19:01,279 --> 01:19:06,119
but like a genuine like religious struggle between two mutually

1371
01:19:06,399 --> 01:19:09,399
more than two but like mutually incompatible visions of what

1372
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:11,600
it is to be a country, what it is to

1373
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,840
be a man, what is to be human? Even right

1374
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:17,199
if you look at the like crazy transhumanist stuff and like,

1375
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,399
I don't know, I think that, you know, the the

1376
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,399
turn to religion is in many ways of reaction to that.

1377
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:26,119
But Tom Man, we have gone over time. This has

1378
01:19:26,119 --> 01:19:29,479
been a great conversation. So we mentioned obviously you have

1379
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,079
a YouTube channel, but what do you do on it

1380
01:19:32,119 --> 01:19:33,479
and where else can people find you?

1381
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, well, uh yeah, I have a YouTube channel.

1382
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:44,119
I just do political conversation pieces. I record my thoughts

1383
01:19:44,159 --> 01:19:47,880
on like pretty much whatever, if it's something that just

1384
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:50,399
recently happened in the news, or if it's issues kind

1385
01:19:50,399 --> 01:19:53,479
of like what we've been talking about, and it's basically

1386
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:56,520
just me having a conversation. It's that's kind of how

1387
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,279
I see it. It's like I'm having a conversation with

1388
01:19:59,319 --> 01:20:03,800
whoever's watching the video. And it's very simple, very bare bones.

1389
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:07,119
It's nothing crazy, no fancy editing. Every once in a

1390
01:20:07,119 --> 01:20:10,039
while I'll do something, but that's pretty much it. I

1391
01:20:10,119 --> 01:20:14,880
just have think pieces and I don't write scripts or anything.

1392
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:18,880
It's just kind of like my unfiltered thoughts and I

1393
01:20:19,039 --> 01:20:21,920
just discuss, like different issues and problems, and I have

1394
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:25,840
it on YouTube as well as Rumble, and you can

1395
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:29,640
find me on YouTube and Rumble at just Tomfoe. I

1396
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:33,039
believe there's only one other person that has tomfo on

1397
01:20:33,079 --> 01:20:35,640
YouTube and he stole my name and he makes music.

1398
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:37,800
But you'll get me first when you look it up,

1399
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,760
and on Rumble it's just tomfo And then I'm on X.

1400
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:45,920
I'm pretty active on X as well, and that's under

1401
01:20:46,119 --> 01:20:49,439
tomfo one and that's where you'll get the You just

1402
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:51,880
find the picture of the chicken and that's where I'll

1403
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:55,720
be at. But no, man, Like, I really am grateful

1404
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:56,960
that I got to come on here and have this

1405
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:58,920
conversation with you. I'm sorry we didn't get to talk

1406
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:02,199
about the two topic that we were like wanting to discuss,

1407
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:06,479
but this was very interesting. I feel like I feel

1408
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,000
like we could definitely do this again. For sure.

1409
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:12,199
Speaker 6: I have to have you on again. It's funny because

1410
01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:15,600
every time, and I understand why, people you know, ask

1411
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:17,079
me like, Hey, what are we going to talk about?

1412
01:21:17,359 --> 01:21:19,560
And I always kind of like internally smile because I'm like, Ah,

1413
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:21,319
this is what I say. We're going to talk about.

1414
01:21:22,399 --> 01:21:27,119
City happens. But yeah, man, the uh, one more thing,

1415
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:29,880
we'll wrap this up. But it's funny you talk about,

1416
01:21:30,039 --> 01:21:32,279
you know, getting go the internet into finding someone else

1417
01:21:32,319 --> 01:21:34,640
that shares your name. My name, no one else has

1418
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,600
but my old profile picture which I just found.

1419
01:21:38,279 --> 01:21:38,520
Speaker 3: Uh.

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01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,079
Speaker 6: It turns out and it's a very similar to the

1421
01:21:41,079 --> 01:21:42,800
one I have now. But it turns out it was

1422
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:44,399
just an image I found on the internet that was

1423
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,880
originally from some like nineteen year old art student in

1424
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:51,479
Korea who'd done this study. And all of a sudden,

1425
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,800
I see this kid like freaking out. He's like, wait

1426
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:55,600
a minute, what have you done with my art? Why

1427
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:59,279
are you associating me? Bro? And so I changed. I

1428
01:21:59,279 --> 01:22:01,000
felt i'd even think about it, right, Like you just

1429
01:22:01,039 --> 01:22:03,439
pick a photo. I mean, you realize it's literally in

1430
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:07,239
some kid's resume. You're like, oh, well that sucks. I'm sorry,

1431
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:10,119
I will change it. The damage is done, I guess.

1432
01:22:10,319 --> 01:22:14,359
But yeah, understandably he did not want the association, and

1433
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:16,720
I guess I don't blame him. Yeah, everyone should check

1434
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,960
out tomfo stuff. It's great of at linked in the description.

1435
01:22:20,279 --> 01:22:23,840
As far as my stuff, the Jay Burdens Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube,

1436
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,399
anywhere you listen to podcasts. If you want to support

1437
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:28,520
me because this is what I do, throw me a

1438
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,439
few bucks a month on Patreon, Substack or gum road.

1439
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,880
You get the episodes early and ad free. Look, I

1440
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:38,119
know the ads are annoying, but like I got a mortgage, man,

1441
01:22:38,279 --> 01:22:40,199
I gotta make money somehow. And if you want to

1442
01:22:40,239 --> 01:22:42,159
opt out of it, I think it's like twenty cents

1443
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:44,279
an episode. When you do the math, it's really not

1444
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:47,000
particularly expensive. So that's the way you can get out

1445
01:22:47,039 --> 01:22:49,079
of it. You can also check out our sponsor, Axios

1446
01:22:49,079 --> 01:22:52,199
Remote Fitness Coaching. I was talking to JD actually this morning.

1447
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:54,880
In addition to obviously like the group chat and the

1448
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:57,880
workout stuff where you can call me gay, which is

1449
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,560
really the main reason I think people use that group chat,

1450
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:03,720
you also get access to JD, who's very good at

1451
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,359
what he does, and he'll check up on you right

1452
01:23:06,399 --> 01:23:07,760
Like he was just saying, like, hey, man, how is

1453
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:10,680
this working? Which you know, again, for what you pay

1454
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:12,840
is is a pretty good deal. And JD's a friend

1455
01:23:13,159 --> 01:23:16,479
and look, he supported me for years now he should

1456
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:19,079
support him again. Tom In, this was great. We'll have

1457
01:23:19,079 --> 01:23:20,079
to have you back on sometime.

1458
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 4: Oh for sure, definitely, definitely, thank you man. I really

1459
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:24,159
appreciate it.

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01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,079
Speaker 6: To everyone at home, keep your head up. I can't

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01:23:27,159 --> 01:23:47,600
last forever. Good Night,