Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the wadd You're Talking About Willis
Speaker 1: Podcast with atp. Sixty Marcus Willis and me his mate Dave.
Speaker 1: Now you heard that right, Marcus is eightp six zero
Speaker 1: whoa Marcus is having a week's rest. But earlier in
Speaker 1: the year, we caught up with Ollie Clark, who's a
Speaker 1: friend of Marcus, a tennis coach and a mental health campaigner.
Speaker 1: In this special This is Your Lifestyle episode, Ollie talks
Speaker 1: about his relationship with tennis, how are you cross pass
Speaker 1: with Marcus, and what life looks like on and off
Speaker 1: the court. This episode does discuss some sensitive topics related
Speaker 1: to the mental health that some listeners may find disturbing.
Speaker 1: If you or someone you know is struggling, please don't
Speaker 1: carry it alone. Reach out to a trusted friend, family member,
Speaker 1: mental health charity, or contact the Samaritans. I hope you
Speaker 1: enjoy hearing at p. Sixty Marcus Willis. By the way,
Speaker 1: if you see him in the street and assist and
Speaker 1: we call him in, that's really getting me down. Me
Speaker 1: is mate, Dave, and our star guest this week, Holly Clark.
Speaker 2: So I started playing tennis. I think it was about
Speaker 2: three or four, like my mum had a friend that
Speaker 2: was a tennis coach and we just went as all
Speaker 2: the local villages, went down to the local court and
Speaker 2: just played. That's how we did it. Didn't think much
Speaker 2: of it. I mean, the lady in question, the coach,
Speaker 2: must have been about seventy at the time, so god
Speaker 2: knows how old cheers now and honestly I look back
Speaker 2: now and thinking you're really old at that point. But
Speaker 2: she was great, you know, she got she got us
Speaker 2: interested and that was it. And I joined then my
Speaker 2: local club, which was done Mo Tennis Club in Essex
Speaker 2: because it was just down the road from me, and
Speaker 2: I stayed there pretty much until I left coaching there
Speaker 2: what four and a bit years ago, and just worked
Speaker 2: my way up through just playing and then assistant coaching
Speaker 2: and coaching. So just did that. That's how it all
Speaker 2: got going. It was nothing, nothing major, It just was.
Speaker 2: It kind of just fell onto my lap. That makes sense.
Speaker 1: So many people's journeys in tennis are a bit like that,
Speaker 1: aren't they. It's just the addiction of it.
Speaker 2: So what were you? What were you?
Speaker 1: How are you playing as a kid? Were you competing?
Speaker 1: Were you playing multiple times a week? Was it part
Speaker 1: of like a secondary sport or or was it just
Speaker 1: an obsession.
Speaker 2: If I was younger, I think it was more of
Speaker 2: like a secondary sport. My main one was football, and
Speaker 2: then I quickly realized I wasn't any good at that,
Speaker 2: so I thought, you know what, I'll go with tennis.
Speaker 2: And I did a bit of golf as well, but
Speaker 2: then I just signed up I think from about thirteen fourteen.
Speaker 2: Would then start playing regularly a couple of times a week,
Speaker 2: would start playing to the local team for the club teams.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go and play many tournaments as such, because
Speaker 2: my dad used to work away a lot in Nigeria,
Speaker 2: so it would be left hand to my mum and
Speaker 2: she couldn't get me to tournaments quite a lot because
Speaker 2: as my sister as well, who was doing other stuff.
Speaker 2: So I just competed quite locally really, and then got
Speaker 2: in the adult team from the age of like fifteen
Speaker 2: and that was it really, So I wouldn't say I
Speaker 2: competed loads as a kid. I haven't really competed that
Speaker 2: much at all, truth be told, just loved it.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean you say that, Oli, but apparently there
Speaker 3: was quite a big exhibition match a couple of years
Speaker 3: back in December.
Speaker 4: Quite a big exhibition.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, December twenty three, that was it.
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean it was a huge exhibition.
Speaker 4: Double was huge exhibition.
Speaker 3: Double.
Speaker 2: Oh my, that only Clark, Wow.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean I always just say, you know when when
Speaker 2: you know, Marcus at the time was what one eighty
Speaker 2: surrounding the world. He had one afternoon with me, and
Speaker 2: then suddenly he's down in the top seventy. You know.
Speaker 2: So I think I'm the start of the process through
Speaker 2: if we're sold.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I mean, look, I'm no lawyer, but I
Speaker 1: think fifteen percent of prize money is a minimum here.
Speaker 2: I think it's a standard, isn't there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, fifteen percent and nothing is nothing.
Speaker 2: I'll still take fifteen percent exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So is that how you two have met? You two
Speaker 1: met in exhibitions?
Speaker 2: Marcus he put out, didn't you on one of the
Speaker 2: tennis group chats, didn't you about you know, looking to
Speaker 2: come down and help some clubs out and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: And I thought I'd just jump at the chance, got
Speaker 2: in touch and we kind of went from there, didn't we.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know it was good. I think that's the
Speaker 3: first time we met in person. We were both on
Speaker 3: the Facebook group, the tennis coaches Facebook groups?
Speaker 4: Is that the one?
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, people don't need to know.
Speaker 4: We'll we'll remember it at four o'clock in the morning. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, so I got some time in the in the
Speaker 3: off season, went down, you know, did some stuff with
Speaker 3: the juniors, with the adults, and played an exhibition. I've
Speaker 3: got to say my partner carried me to Jeremy.
Speaker 2: Is it it was Jeremy? Yeah, yeah, my partner was
Speaker 2: My partner was severely hungover it'd be on a lawyer's
Speaker 2: work do, and literally got to the courts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't need the proper way to play a
Speaker 3: tennis match. Right, So you're set up now, you're set
Speaker 3: up now in where you are? What does that look like?
Speaker 3: And yeah, tell about your standard a week coaching?
Speaker 2: Oh wow. So I mean you've got I do individuals
Speaker 2: in the day, which I can't do at the center
Speaker 2: that I'm based at because it's also a secondary school,
Speaker 2: so for safeguarded reasons, you can't go in in the day.
Speaker 2: So I do lots of individuals or small groups with adults,
Speaker 2: but the day I'll go and do your primary school stuff.
Speaker 2: And then you head off to the center and you
Speaker 2: do your junior groups, your adult groups throughout the week
Speaker 2: and at the weekend, and throwing as well. Now a
Speaker 2: little bit of sort of pe what do you call it?
Speaker 2: Ppa cover. I'm now started doing a little bit pee
Speaker 2: teaching as well in a couple of primary schools, which
Speaker 2: has added a little bit of difference. But it's a
Speaker 2: great feeder forget people interested in playing in our in
Speaker 2: our sport. Yeah, mixture of ages between the youngest we've
Speaker 2: got is three and then our oldest is mid seventies,
Speaker 2: so a wide variety of players.
Speaker 1: Do you love it, Ollie, is because you know, coach
Speaker 1: to coach? Do you just love being out there? Because
Speaker 1: I've never found anything that replaces being on a court,
Speaker 1: seeing the improvement, the upskilling whatever. Just the environment of
Speaker 1: a tennis club is an addiction for me. And the
Speaker 1: idea of being like a head coach who doesn't work
Speaker 1: or being a tutor or it's never I know, nothing
Speaker 1: can replace taking groups.
Speaker 2: Are you still the same? I've got to say actually
Speaker 2: now since I've set up by myself, so I'm not
Speaker 2: a club as such, I'm just a program coaching program.
Speaker 2: So it's all down to me. I love it more
Speaker 2: than I have ever done before, and I can't. I
Speaker 2: just love being on court. It's just the best feeling,
Speaker 2: it really is, and I feel like I'm I've generally
Speaker 2: you feel I'm actually getting better as I'm getting older
Speaker 2: as well as a coach, more experienced, more knowledge and
Speaker 2: willing to learn.
Speaker 1: Well, that's where you and I did, for I already
Speaker 1: know everything, so I don't need to learn.
Speaker 2: I'm very fortunate.
Speaker 3: That's lovely. Obviously, I've come to know you more than
Speaker 3: just you know through tennis, Olie. You've been a great
Speaker 3: friend to me, and you've got a really powerful, full
Speaker 3: story your end that I think you know you've told
Speaker 3: you know certain Could you tell me where you were
Speaker 3: this time kind of just over three years ago and
Speaker 3: how you came to that and how you overcame that Situationally.
Speaker 2: Yes, So it was yes, twenty three now, my marriage
Speaker 2: coming to an end, and I'd already had a bout
Speaker 2: of depression back in twenty twenty one. I think the
Speaker 2: lockdown was a massive factor. I was having a lot
Speaker 2: of issues with my tennis club at the time, and
Speaker 2: having a newborn in the house. I just didn't feel
Speaker 2: like I was I was good enough for anyone, really,
Speaker 2: and then twenty three all hit everything at once and
Speaker 2: I genuinely saw no way out, and I thought the
Speaker 2: only way out would be to leave this, to leave
Speaker 2: this earth. And I'm very open and honest and about
Speaker 2: talking with that, and I just well, while I couldn't
Speaker 2: do it, I couldn't do it to Sophia and my family.
Speaker 2: And then I thought, right, okay, let's get some let's
Speaker 2: get some serious help, and let's and start helping myself
Speaker 2: and making me better. So, yeah, I was in I
Speaker 2: was in a rough place, no doubt in that. But
Speaker 2: I look backer now and I go, that was a
Speaker 2: great time if you look at it that sense, because
Speaker 2: you look how far I or anyone else in that
Speaker 2: situation can come.
Speaker 1: Well, I really appreciate you talking to us about this,
Speaker 1: and it's something that Marcus and I have spoken about
Speaker 1: on previous podcasts. But this is something that definitely the
Speaker 1: discourse amongst men is changing, and men are able, hopefully
Speaker 1: now to feel freer to talk about these subjects. What
Speaker 1: does depression feel like for you? How does it manifest?
Speaker 2: Oh? So it used to manifest in a few different ways. Actually,
Speaker 2: So I've had a neurological condition since the age of
Speaker 2: about seventeen, where I would get pins and needles all
Speaker 2: over my body and I'd lose I'd almost do the
Speaker 2: ability to do stuff like even silly things like holding
Speaker 2: a glass. The cup would just fall out of my
Speaker 2: hand and it would smash on the floor, and the
Speaker 2: pins and needles will then go all over the body.
Speaker 2: And that's the that's brought on by stress and anxiety
Speaker 2: a lot of the time. So that's how it would start.
Speaker 2: I would start feeling I'd get the pins and needles,
Speaker 2: and I'd feel ill, and then it would just spiral
Speaker 2: into my brain would just go well, I'm just not
Speaker 2: good enough and I'm not worthy of anyone or anything,
Speaker 2: and I would I would shut off from the world.
Speaker 2: But then on court, I would be game face on
Speaker 2: and whack this wonderful smile on which actually a lot
Speaker 2: of people saw through and saw it was a fake smile.
Speaker 2: Because I think as coaches or even as players, you know,
Speaker 2: you have to have to do a job right, and
Speaker 2: you have to be there for your clients, and you
Speaker 2: have to look like your love in life, and when
Speaker 2: and and then I think that's tiring. And then when
Speaker 2: they used to come home. I just didn't want to
Speaker 2: do anything. Ah And yeah, now it's hugely different, you know,
Speaker 2: with with the tools I've got and you know, work
Speaker 2: you do on it doesn't mean you're ever going to
Speaker 2: be okay all the time, because you're not. You can't be.
Speaker 2: But yeah, for me, it was just a spiral really
Speaker 2: and just I would have no motivation to do anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can.
Speaker 3: I can relate to a lot of that, especially the
Speaker 3: part about turning up and putting on the smiley face.
Speaker 3: And you know, I call it for me, it was
Speaker 3: playing an actor and I found especially like looking back,
Speaker 3: I've only just figured this out recently, but you know,
Speaker 3: most of my life when I was younger as acting
Speaker 3: fitting in and you know, not want people to see
Speaker 3: what I'm really feeling because I was embarrassed.
Speaker 4: About it as well.
Speaker 3: But it's such as it's such a complex thing and
Speaker 3: we get so good at it gets acting as to say,
Speaker 3: or putting on a smiley face. And I think it's
Speaker 3: a good skill somewhat because I think personally when I
Speaker 3: was in it, I didn't want to bring people down
Speaker 3: or you know, have that kind of attention. But it's
Speaker 3: also a desperate place to be in as well, and
Speaker 3: you know it's it's dangerous. You know, my my head's gone.
Speaker 3: As far as you know, there was a there was
Speaker 3: a phase a few years back, probably just over five
Speaker 3: years ago, where I didn't want to die, but I
Speaker 3: didn't want to live and actually, had I something bad
Speaker 3: happened to me or you know, a pasthedway, I had
Speaker 3: have gone, ah, that that that would be good because
Speaker 3: then people feel sorry for me. But then I'm not
Speaker 3: in pain anymore. And I used to think stuff like
Speaker 3: you know, people around would be sad, but you know
Speaker 3: they'll be all right in the end. And you know,
Speaker 3: it's a pretty devastating place to be. As you say,
Speaker 3: the motivation to do anything just goes. So I can
Speaker 3: relate to you, and I know we've we've chatted in detail,
Speaker 3: you know, personally, and thank you for being such a
Speaker 3: good friend. We chat a lot, and it's it's nice
Speaker 3: to be to have that outlet and check in each other.
Speaker 3: But how did you get better? How did things start
Speaker 3: looking up? Who helped you know this? This this part
Speaker 3: I want you know if someone's listening and struggling or
Speaker 3: know someone that's listening and struggling, we want them to
Speaker 3: know there's a way out and just explain how how
Speaker 3: you did that and what life looks like now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I said, I remember it vividly. It was
Speaker 2: the fifteenth of feb twenty twenty three and I've gone
Speaker 2: out for a walk and I'd actually collapsed with my condition,
Speaker 2: my neurological condition, and I was rushed off to Broomfield
Speaker 2: Hospital in Chelmsford. And well, what was a bit strange
Speaker 2: was the parent medic who came to look after me
Speaker 2: was a member of the tennis club that i'd left
Speaker 2: only two years what a couple of years, two years beforehand,
Speaker 2: and we hadn't spoken since because it'd all a bit gone,
Speaker 2: a bit awry. And I looked at him, I was like,
Speaker 2: that's the last person I need to look after me.
Speaker 2: But they were just amazing with me, and they noticed
Speaker 2: the signs straight away. They like, you need to get
Speaker 2: yourself like checked out, like properly, not just physically mentally.
Speaker 2: And I remember I'm sitting in the hospital and I
Speaker 2: said I could just walk out of here and just
Speaker 2: go and no one would notice. And then this doctor
Speaker 2: just called me and that was it. And my parents
Speaker 2: and my sister at the time when they were living
Speaker 2: they still they live in Norfolk, and they my dad
Speaker 2: wasn't quite sure what to do with it, like thinking,
Speaker 2: is it is this a bit of a is he
Speaker 2: not saying is he making it up? But this is
Speaker 2: he just playing on this a little bit. I think
Speaker 2: as a generation thing, maybe some people of that age
Speaker 2: don't understand it. And it was my sister was like, no,
Speaker 2: we need to drive down and go and see him,
Speaker 2: you know, we need to go and pick him up
Speaker 2: from the hospital first of all. And she came down
Speaker 2: with my dad and my dad just took one look
Speaker 2: at me and was like I get it. I get it, son,
Speaker 2: you know, and like hugged me, you know. And my
Speaker 2: dad's not a real hugger as such, and he just
Speaker 2: got hold of me and was like, yeah, you're okay, son.
Speaker 2: And my sister did the same, and they took me
Speaker 2: back to their house up in Norfolk, and he really
Speaker 2: really got it. I mean I opened up to him
Speaker 2: and I said, Dad, I don't want to be here anymore,
Speaker 2: and he was. And for my dad to cry at
Speaker 2: the age at that point what it was, what mid
Speaker 2: seventies for him to cry was hard to see. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he but then I think he really understood how low
Speaker 2: I was. And my mum and my were going to
Speaker 2: be now my brother in law, they were all there
Speaker 2: with my with my sister as well, and they just
Speaker 2: sat me run a table and just let me speak.
Speaker 2: So they were the first people that were on hand
Speaker 2: and were just able to speak to me and let
Speaker 2: me speak and be open and honest, even if it
Speaker 2: was you know, it could have been even like a
Speaker 2: bad thing about them. You know, let's get it all
Speaker 2: done out in the open, get it on the table
Speaker 2: and we can move forwards. So did it with them.
Speaker 2: And at the time I also had private medical insurance
Speaker 2: with Vitality, which had counseling sessions available, and I just
Speaker 2: booked in with them. And I can't remember her. I
Speaker 2: can't remember her name, she who she was, but my goodness,
Speaker 2: me did she just pretty much saved me as well.
Speaker 2: So they were that was the first point of call.
Speaker 2: And I had therapy for a good, good sort of
Speaker 2: eighteen months with that, and if I needed it again,
Speaker 2: I'd go back to it in a shop.
Speaker 1: On an earlier podcast, Dotie, we spoke about some trials, tribulations,
Speaker 1: ups and down, some mental health perspective Marcus and I
Speaker 1: have had, and therapy was part of that. Something that
Speaker 1: I've always suffered with is like a lack of confidence,
Speaker 1: a small ego, negative self taught, lack of belief and almost,
Speaker 1: like Marcus said, putting a game face on, which is
Speaker 1: far from that, the most opposite. So somebody who would
Speaker 1: meet me or maybe even listen to this would think
Speaker 1: there's someone who's never short of a word, happy to
Speaker 1: walk in a busy room, and it's actually the opposite.
Speaker 1: It spikes my anxiety being around people too much, kind
Speaker 1: of perhaps me of enthusiasm. I wish that I could
Speaker 1: go back to my sixteen year old, eighteen year old,
Speaker 1: twenty one year old self and just explain what's happening
Speaker 1: and why why you don't need to go down this path.
Speaker 1: What would you say to yourself twenty years ago?
Speaker 2: Life is what you make it, and nothing is ever
Speaker 2: too big. You know, there's nothing that can that should
Speaker 2: be able to really take hold of you. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm sure all of us in our lives have you know,
Speaker 2: felt lost or tragedy and stuff like that. And it's
Speaker 2: I actually look at it this week in particular. So
Speaker 2: I'm fortunate to put my dog down this week, and
Speaker 2: my little girl, Sophia, she's five and a half and
Speaker 2: she kind of doesn't dwell on it. And I think
Speaker 2: we all need to be like children in the way
Speaker 2: that we the way that they think, because we as
Speaker 2: adults can overanalyze, overthink and read into even like a
Speaker 2: message or someone, how they how they say something, how
Speaker 2: you interpret it. Kids don't do that. And I think
Speaker 2: that's if you were sixteen, eight teen, twenty one, I
Speaker 2: think that's almost the same. So if I could go
Speaker 2: back now, I'd almost say don't worry about it, like
Speaker 2: don't worry about life, because now if people want to
Speaker 2: be around me, they'll be around me. And if they
Speaker 2: don't want to be around me, it's one less person
Speaker 2: of me to worry about, or one less thing to
Speaker 2: worry about or concern myself with. My circle of friends
Speaker 2: is a lot smaller now than it was twenty years ago,
Speaker 2: but were they friends probably not. As it said, I'm
Speaker 2: the same as you, Dave. I'll go into a room
Speaker 2: and I don't really like being around people that much,
Speaker 2: truth be told, I'm quite happy in my own space
Speaker 2: and my own company or the people I want to
Speaker 2: be with and I put on this face, but now
Speaker 2: I don't anymore. If I don't want to go somewhere,
Speaker 2: I won't go. And I'm really like I have the
Speaker 2: I've said. I can now learn the word no, which
Speaker 2: I never did before.
Speaker 3: That's such a good skill to have, mate, I'm still
Speaker 3: learning that.
Speaker 4: I'm still I don't. Yeah, I'm the same. I don't.
Speaker 3: It's amazing. Like you put a tennis racket in my
Speaker 3: hand and put me on a big court. I'll go
Speaker 3: and play because I love playing tennis. But you know,
Speaker 3: public speaking stuff like that or Q and a's are fine.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 3: Actually, like busy, busy crowds, I don't get out much
Speaker 3: nowadays because I just want to be I want to
Speaker 3: be at home. I'll go for a walk and stuff,
Speaker 3: but any event, stuff like that, especially now, you know
Speaker 3: I used to I used to think I had to
Speaker 3: drink or get some booze down me to socialize and
Speaker 3: loosen up. And then you take that drink away and
Speaker 3: you stood there and you're scared, is probably the right
Speaker 3: way of saying it. Uncomfortable. So I'm the same. I
Speaker 3: don't do much much public stuff nowadays, and my friend
Speaker 3: group is a lot smaller, so I can completely relate
Speaker 3: to that.
Speaker 4: It's it's but.
Speaker 3: I always used to try and try and fight it
Speaker 3: and go Now it's normal. But actually a lot of
Speaker 3: other people are in the same position that room that
Speaker 3: there's not not many people who absolutely love, you know,
Speaker 3: socializing events, especially if they're not off their trolley as well.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I suppose everyone's different. But oh did you
Speaker 4: find when you're you.
Speaker 3: Know, going going through what you're going through and rehab,
Speaker 3: did you find getting outside playing tennis did that help
Speaker 3: you at all?
Speaker 4: Or was it.
Speaker 3: Did that just you know, pick up hand in hand?
Speaker 3: Did you always have tennis there as an outlet? Did
Speaker 3: you go on court and forget everything for a little
Speaker 3: bit or you.
Speaker 4: Know, was it a bit more timely than that?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah for me, no, get it out, get well,
Speaker 2: just one being outside I think is the best thing
Speaker 2: in the world. And an if you could, if you've
Speaker 2: got something that you love doing, then that's even better. Right,
Speaker 2: So tennis, coaching, knocking a few balls around, playing whatever
Speaker 2: it is would always be and all as will be
Speaker 2: I think my outlet. And because then I was I've
Speaker 2: said to people before, and I've said I've said to
Speaker 2: you Marcus is that now I'm I'm now allowed. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying aloud, but I'm now who I want to be,
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm accept who I am whatever, good points,
Speaker 2: bad points, in different points. I've got I am who
Speaker 2: I am, and I really like myself. Actually I love
Speaker 2: I love who I am. So then being outside and
Speaker 2: being on the tennis court for me just enhances that
Speaker 2: even more. You know, it said at the start, I
Speaker 2: love doing my job. If I love who I am
Speaker 2: as well, then those two go hand in hand and
Speaker 2: it makes me a better human being.
Speaker 4: The onto the serious stuff.
Speaker 3: Now we've done a little bit of you know, life
Speaker 3: or death stuff, but this is the real important stuff
Speaker 3: on it. Here we go cot. You're on a desert island. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you're allowed tennis match.
Speaker 4: On d v D.
Speaker 3: Other other than the Willis Federal one. Obviously, which one
Speaker 3: are you watching?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, other than well, I was, you know,
Speaker 2: I was thinking, you know, Willis in the the mixed
Speaker 2: doubles second round of Sunday, even at Wimbledon a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago, was quite good, oh beautiful. You know,
Speaker 2: that was a classic form on BBC two to watch that.
Speaker 2: But if I had a match. It's gotta be fed
Speaker 2: and the doll I wait final Wimbledon. Oh boy, it's
Speaker 2: got to be it, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah? The one it in is in his three three
Speaker 4: quarter length?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it was nine to seven and the
Speaker 2: fifth I think something like that. I think it was.
Speaker 3: Okay, while you're watching the tennis match, you've got one
Speaker 3: packet of christ and one chocolate bar?
Speaker 4: Which one.
Speaker 2: Packer Chris? Oh the Chris?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Cheasee an onion Chris for me? Always? Oh, I hear always.
Speaker 2: I mean, even if it's like it's got to be
Speaker 2: Walkers only the main brand, of course, there's got to
Speaker 2: be a choosing onion Crispin there chocolate bar, that's my downfall.
Speaker 2: I love chocolate. Oh I'm a kit kat chunky guy.
Speaker 3: Oh great stuff, great stuff. Do you bite the top
Speaker 3: off first? Or do you eat it like a normal
Speaker 3: human being?
Speaker 2: How do I eat a kitcat chunky? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'll just buy into.
Speaker 4: It, yea, hey, yeah, you're a normal human being.
Speaker 3: I used to or the chocolate off the top and
Speaker 3: then around the size and leave the wafer by itself
Speaker 3: at the end.
Speaker 2: Rick all right?
Speaker 3: Just me?
Speaker 4: Then? Never mind?
Speaker 2: What are you doing.
Speaker 3: I uhould dissect a big mac as well. I used
Speaker 3: to eat layer by layer. I can't bite into it.
Speaker 3: Oh but because I'm a professional athlete, I don't know
Speaker 3: what I do.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 3: By the way, by the way, Ali on this desert
Speaker 3: island for some reason, you've got one tennis racket.
Speaker 4: So you've got a big I'm.
Speaker 2: Not sure what for Oh, okay, I would go back
Speaker 2: to me would be? I think it's had an seven
Speaker 2: oh eight time, the head micro chill. I used to
Speaker 2: like the orange, the orange racket, the orange and black racket,
Speaker 2: I think it was. I had five of them in
Speaker 2: the end. I loved it so much.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, the orange and black and white one.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the one.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that. Only good, good
Speaker 4: players use that.
Speaker 2: I don't know who gave me. I don't know who
Speaker 2: gave them to me. Oh yeah, that the racket.
Speaker 4: Amazing.
Speaker 3: Okay, So you got you got, you got, You got
Speaker 3: your head micro gel feeder and ada on the big screen,
Speaker 3: cheese and onion and a kit cat chunky eating normally.
Speaker 1: That is a great day for me anyway, Ollie, thanks
Speaker 1: so much for joining us and for talking about tennis.
Speaker 1: But the tennis being a big backdrop to your life,
Speaker 1: your experiences, and I hope that somebody listening understands that
Speaker 1: they're not alone. There are people who eat kit Cat
Speaker 1: chunkies in unusual ways, and there are support crew just
Speaker 1: for people who eat kick Kat chunkies in.
Speaker 2: Such a way.
Speaker 1: And if you're affected by somebody eating a kit Kat
Speaker 1: chunky in an unusual way, please get onto Google.
Speaker 3: Victor of Baranco on troumble, Sergeant Major of Craig Frederick on.
Speaker 4: The trumpets and the composition The Army Blues
Speaker 3: Walked Back Down,