1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,199 The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. Now 2 00:00:10,519 --> 00:00:16,480 here is your host? DJ leaves? Well, well, well, we 3 00:00:16,519 --> 00:00:22,359 have wrapped up the fourth of July holiday as we've released this podcast. It's 4 00:00:22,359 --> 00:00:26,399 still a long holiday weekend for many, and we got lots and lots and 5 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,280 lots of fights. Hello and welcome back in in a brand new month with 6 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,159 the Big Fight Weekend Preview podcast. I am the somewhat confident host TJ. 7 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,920 Reeves. I have returned from my mini vacation. Thank god. We have 8 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,479 survived with the twins turning sixteen. We did a little beach bak over in 9 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,399 the East coast of Florida. Survived there, have gotten back to the West 10 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:47,840 coast of Florida. Doesn't matter where I am. It also doesn't matter where 11 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,640 Dan Rayfield is. It only matters. Do you hear us on the pod 12 00:00:50,759 --> 00:00:55,320 going into the weekend, Dan hanging out his home in northern Virginia holding things 13 00:00:55,359 --> 00:00:58,600 down at the time you and I are taping, we should just pull the 14 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:03,200 curtain back. We have not consumed fully all the food on for the July 15 00:01:03,679 --> 00:01:07,840 in the offing for me is still the big in laws shindig where they will 16 00:01:07,879 --> 00:01:11,680 count the calories, I think with a calculator. With what we're gonna do 17 00:01:11,719 --> 00:01:15,040 with hamburgers, hot dogs, baked beans. I can't remember, you're not 18 00:01:15,799 --> 00:01:19,359 we don't do that here in northern Virginia. I don't know about your family, 19 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,439 We're not doing that. Okay, the podcast I went, so I 20 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,439 got there there swimming in the pool. Yeah, and we'll have some nice 21 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,680 grilled steaks later for dinner. That's the bood for you. But I mean 22 00:01:30,719 --> 00:01:34,040 we're talking full on gorge with the You're not a potato salad guy, but 23 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:38,319 they have like macaroni salad going, potato salad going, and then even apple 24 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:42,120 pie and ice cream afterwards, because that's what America's independence is all about. 25 00:01:42,159 --> 00:01:47,200 Gorging, gorging with food. On July fourth, so happy birthday of the 26 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,640 US of A. We're glad that you found us here on the preview pod. 27 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:56,599 Tons to preview here. As we head into the weekend world Championship fights 28 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,000 and then compelling names and fight cards that are really all over the place. 29 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:05,680 Shakur Stevenson, who you heard from earlier in the week on the podcast, 30 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,199 including its own standalone podcast, is in action in Newark, New Jersey. 31 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:13,639 We've We've got the two UFC guys headlining in Anaheim. Rayfield's all over. 32 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,240 We got to talk about Nate Diaz and George masbat All. We got to 33 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:21,840 talk Nate ds George mass of the audience. It's on the rundown. It's 34 00:02:21,879 --> 00:02:24,520 on the rundown there at this I didn't say we have to do it all. 35 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,080 I put it as a matter of this one of the main It's okay. 36 00:02:28,159 --> 00:02:30,719 So we got that tight under card and we're going to that's all the 37 00:02:30,759 --> 00:02:35,319 way out in Anaheim. I'm more intrigued by Daniel Jacobs and Shane Mosley, 38 00:02:35,319 --> 00:02:37,759 which we've talked a little bit about. Shane Mayles a junior, so that's 39 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,280 on the undercard. We have that. But wait, there's more. We've 40 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:44,360 got a Golden Boys show headlined by William Zapeta, who's very near to getting 41 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:49,639 a world title shot. It looks like top lightweight contender. He's in action 42 00:02:49,879 --> 00:02:53,240 on the Golden Boy Dezonne main event. But wait, there's still more because 43 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:58,000 we've got a Matchroom Boxing de Zone show in London with the heavyweights. Rayfield's 44 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,639 looking for his slobber knocker, which Janni Fisher and Alan Badge. But wait, 45 00:03:00,719 --> 00:03:07,319 there's even more. There's a Sunday Japanese world title unification fight in the 46 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:13,199 what do you prefer junior bannamweight super flyweight? What do you prefer kaz Ioca 47 00:03:13,319 --> 00:03:20,120 Fernando Martinez for unification in the junior bannamweight super flyweight division. We've got fight 48 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:23,080 cards all over the globe, so can we get to it please. I 49 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:28,039 don't know where to even begin besides the leftover potato salads and and acids. 50 00:03:29,479 --> 00:03:31,840 All right, so you know what, Let's begin with the ESPN Top rank 51 00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:36,719 show. That is the most prominent one. It is Shakur Stevenson, it 52 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,680 is Artem Harttunian. It is Stevenson at lightweight one hundred and thirty five pounds 53 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:45,919 making the first defense of his WBC title. Let's begin with that card right 54 00:03:45,919 --> 00:03:49,759 now in the preview mode. My friend, all right, give me some 55 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,800 thoughts on this and the last time, I mean Shakur had a shoulder injury 56 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:59,080 didn't look great. Is it the final fight as you talked with him about 57 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,000 in his top ranked is is he gonna renew? Is he gonna go somewhere 58 00:04:02,039 --> 00:04:04,680 else? As a promotional free agent. There's a lot here involved as a 59 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,439 subplot. Yeah, I mean well, first of all, yes, it 60 00:04:08,479 --> 00:04:12,719 is his final fight of his promotional contract. He has been offered a extension 61 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,560 that he and his team rejected from Top Rank. That goes back I think 62 00:04:15,599 --> 00:04:18,240 a couple of months ago. But listen, both sides. They're professionals. 63 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,199 Top Rank is a professional company. They is not their first rodio with a 64 00:04:23,199 --> 00:04:26,920 contract coming up a renewal. When you talk about sch course team, it's 65 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,600 in his team. His manager, James Prince, is a very experienced manager, 66 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:32,759 has worked with lots of top guys and has got a long standing relationship 67 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,800 with Top Rank. They're pro. So they're doing this event. And as 68 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:43,079 Bob Aramess stated and is sort of what he said in the past about other 69 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,279 fighters, is our contract is up. We've fulfilled our obligation. Chaquor is 70 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,639 going to fulfill his obligation with this fight. And uh, you know, 71 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,759 by all means, if you can go get a better deal elsewhere, shop 72 00:04:54,759 --> 00:04:58,399 yourself around, take it. You know, no hard feelings, no animosity 73 00:04:58,439 --> 00:05:01,439 if you if you can't or you're not interested, or whatever the case may 74 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,480 be, you know, we still want you, we still love you, 75 00:05:03,519 --> 00:05:05,959 We'll still do business with you. Come back to us, and we'll see 76 00:05:05,959 --> 00:05:08,560 if we can get it done. I mean, it's kind of like, 77 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,959 I'm not going to draw the exact comparison because it's it's a little bit different. 78 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,360 But you know, Aaron Judge becomes a free agent from the Yankees at 79 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,439 the end of last season, and he goes and he shops around, and 80 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,399 he gets a big offer from the Giants, and at the end of the 81 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:26,199 day he has a conversation with the ownership of the Yankees and they basically say, 82 00:05:26,199 --> 00:05:28,399 do you want to be with us? And they made him a huge 83 00:05:28,439 --> 00:05:30,000 offer and he stayed. I mean, and so yes, it was partly 84 00:05:30,079 --> 00:05:34,360 legacy, partly money obviously. But Shakor's in a situation where, you know, 85 00:05:34,399 --> 00:05:39,079 it's the first time in his professional career since he came into the pros 86 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,240 after the Olympic silver medal, that he's got an opportunity to become a free 87 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,000 agent and he's going to take his opportunity to do that. He's got you 88 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,079 know, Eddie Hern's been talking about him and and top ranks. Still obviously 89 00:05:49,079 --> 00:05:51,680 he's interested. There's a there's a big wide world out there. We'll see 90 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,319 what the what the office are. But in the meantime, you know, 91 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,959 he can't let that be a distraction because he does have a title defense that 92 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,319 he's going into. It's in his hometown of Newark against Hartytunian, who was 93 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,000 not a big name or a top top guy, but he's a reputable fighter. 94 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,800 He was in a metalist for Germany, a bronze medal winner in the 95 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:14,000 same Olympics where Shaquur won his silver, much lower in weight in the twenty 96 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,959 sixteen Games. And you know, if you know hardytuny In, you're probably 97 00:06:16,959 --> 00:06:20,839 only knowing because of the fact that his last fight, which was a year 98 00:06:20,879 --> 00:06:25,160 ago, fifty one weeks ago when he gets in the ring on Saturday, 99 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,480 was his only loss and is really the only fight that most people that have 100 00:06:28,519 --> 00:06:30,920 ever heard of him ever have seen. He gave a very good effort, 101 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,839 lost a very close decision to Frank Martin, which was the fight that the 102 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,480 Martins prior fight to when he got the fight with Tank Davis that he lost 103 00:06:39,519 --> 00:06:43,680 a couple weeks ago. In the twelfth round, Hardtunyan took a knee after 104 00:06:43,879 --> 00:06:46,839 taking some punishment, and so he's getting this opportunity against her court. Yeah, 105 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,160 it's not a big name fight, but she of course, seems to 106 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,879 respect him. He remembered him from the amateur ranks and seeing him in the 107 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:56,759 Olympics and that sort of stuff. But look, you mentioned about the last 108 00:06:56,759 --> 00:07:00,560 fight that that Chaquur had with the Edwin de los Santos. Fight horrible, 109 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,639 horrible fight. Horrible fight mostly Steve, mostly the fault of del Santos. 110 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,839 But Chakor was not at his best either, as he discussed. I mean, 111 00:07:09,839 --> 00:07:12,519 he's you know, he did have a bona fide injury and it just 112 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,000 you know, was an ugly, ugly fight, and so he I think 113 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,839 he's stung by the massive criticism from that fight. You combine that with the 114 00:07:19,879 --> 00:07:24,920 impending for agency. You need to look good. This fight is absolutely I 115 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:28,879 mean, most of the time it's you know, the old saying is win 116 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,199 and look good the next time. But this fight, in my opinion, 117 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,160 and you know, somebody wants to disagree, that's fine. I'm for you 118 00:07:35,199 --> 00:07:38,199 know, mean, you got to get to win, that's obviously the most 119 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,199 important thing. But if there was ever a time to don't think about, 120 00:07:42,519 --> 00:07:45,279 you know, win and look good next time, it's win and look good 121 00:07:45,319 --> 00:07:48,600 this time, because a you want to erase that stink of that last fight 122 00:07:48,639 --> 00:07:54,439 against Delo Santos out of your mind, any other promoters that might be interested 123 00:07:54,519 --> 00:07:57,439 in you in their mind, the fans that you want to support you, 124 00:07:57,759 --> 00:08:00,879 the press that you want to cover you, et cetera. Win and look 125 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:05,480 good this time, because not only will our race that putrid U fight against 126 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,160 de los Sandos and when I you know, and I was there, we've 127 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,079 seen bad fights, CJ. That was a bad fight to a different level 128 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:16,680 of bad fight. Is the point right for guy? And again I don't 129 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,600 work for his promotional arm or I'm not in his camp. But he was 130 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:22,680 also injured and he said that after the fight, was it the left arm, 131 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,519 I can't even keep it straight where he couldn't throw the left and he 132 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:31,000 basically for the whole fight didn't or from like the third round on didn't throw 133 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,000 the left. I think that was the case. He basically just boxed or 134 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:35,480 maybe he couldn't throw the right and he kept just using the left and kept 135 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,080 put the more left. So but you got to look good. I'm with 136 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:43,960 you. If you're in the hole fans, you got to get it done. 137 00:08:43,399 --> 00:08:46,799 But it's more than just look good because of the stink of the last 138 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,240 fight. Is because you are making a big deal about your free agency. 139 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:52,600 Now he's the one that's been talking about it. If he didn't talk about 140 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,080 it, you know, it might get mentioned and whatever. It wouldn't become 141 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,840 like the theme of the of the week. If there's been more said and 142 00:08:58,879 --> 00:09:03,120 written about his free agency, that's about to be on him than his opponent 143 00:09:03,159 --> 00:09:09,399 and the fight. So besides erasing the last performance, you need to look 144 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,919 good because you don't want to go into free agency coming off of well, 145 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,240 potentially a loss number one that would be kind of disastrous number one, but 146 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,519 more importantly, perhaps two terrible fights or something that's not inspiring, let's say, 147 00:09:20,759 --> 00:09:26,000 because you're trying to get a future promoter, whether it's top rank and 148 00:09:26,039 --> 00:09:28,840 a renewal of a new deal, or it's Eddie Herner or somebody else that 149 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,360 may come along to pony up and make you a lot of guarantees and promises 150 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,279 and that sort of thing. So you know, he's put some pressure on 151 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,480 himself, so now it's time to see if he can deliver and be the 152 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,399 fighter that we all know. He's got that talent. This is not about 153 00:09:41,399 --> 00:09:46,639 Schaquur Stevenson's talent. He's never going to be a big knockout puncher, but 154 00:09:46,759 --> 00:09:48,559 you can still be a dazzling fighter and not be a knockout puncher. So, 155 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,279 as we discussed in the Ta Femo fight last week, just because you 156 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:54,159 don'tet a knockout doesn't mean that it's like a disaster at the end of the 157 00:09:54,159 --> 00:09:58,440 world. It's a matter of can you make it somewhat crowd pleasing and do 158 00:09:58,519 --> 00:10:01,200 your job, take care of business erasist think at the last fight, put 159 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,799 yourself in a good position in your free agency. Obviously, you know Hardytuningho 160 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,960 is a good fighter himself. He's gonna have something to say about that. 161 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,679 So that's the intrigue of that fight, all right. So that's the main 162 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:16,360 event. Now interesting on this card. There are some names on this card 163 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:22,440 and there's another world title fight, and that is Oshaki Foster fighting Robinson Consissau. 164 00:10:22,919 --> 00:10:26,360 That is for Foster's Junior lightweight championship, and he's he's quite the story. 165 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:31,399 We've talked about him a bunch. We previewed his fights and handicapped as 166 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:35,559 well on the bet Us show that we'll be doing on Friday at one Eastern 167 00:10:35,639 --> 00:10:41,799 time. In this case, again, here's another opportunity for him on the 168 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:46,000 ESPN platform here and on Top Rank to showcase himself. I'm intrigued by this. 169 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:50,120 I may be more intrigued by this fight than the than the main event 170 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,799 here to see what Stevenson looks like. Because KANSASAO has had some interesting fights 171 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,519 with Oscar Valdez, with the Manuel Navarate. Let's see what this looks like 172 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:03,360 in the code feature as well. And shaquur So I mean for we'll talk 173 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,559 about contests out for a minute first before I get to to oh Jackie Foster. 174 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:13,039 Constau was an Olympic gold medalist, a three time Olympian, a national 175 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,159 hero in Brazil, been a good quality contender for a number of years. 176 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:18,679 He is doing something that is very rare in boxing that will take place on 177 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,759 Saturday. He is a fighter who is getting a fourth opportunity to fight for 178 00:11:22,799 --> 00:11:28,360 a world title. That doesn't happen too often. He lost to Oscar Valdez. 179 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,279 There was some controversy because of the positive drug test that Oscar turned in 180 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:35,279 and an out of competition thing where the rules of the one organization did not 181 00:11:35,399 --> 00:11:39,360 jibe with the commission rules. Blah blah blah. We'll have to deltigate that 182 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:41,600 again. But the bottom line was the fight was allowed to go forward, 183 00:11:41,759 --> 00:11:45,519 but he did lose the fight. Now you take a look at what happened 184 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,919 in another title fight. He fought against Shaquur Stevenson in a world championship fight, 185 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,240 and that was the fight that was a couple of fights after he lost 186 00:11:52,279 --> 00:11:56,519 to Valdez. That was the fight where Shakur at that time was the unified 187 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,440 champion. He had beaten Valdez, so he went into the fight Shakur as 188 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,240 the BC in the WBO champion, but he got stripped of the titles at 189 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,039 the way in because he didn't make the weight. So some would say he 190 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,639 had an unfair advantage and consis out lost. Now, I don't think that 191 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,320 really made a difference in that particular fight because Schakor just completely shut him down 192 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,440 one a very easy decision. So they bring him back. He wins a 193 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,360 fight against just a regular He wasn't even a win. Actually he got a 194 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:20,559 no contest because of some you know, I think it was a head butt 195 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:24,120 or something along those lines are an injury. But then he got another opportunity 196 00:12:24,159 --> 00:12:26,120 against Emmanuel Navaratte, like you mentioned, that took place in November. That 197 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:31,639 was on the undercard on the night that Cha course stunk it out with Valdette 198 00:12:31,639 --> 00:12:35,799 with de los Santos right in that fight was a freaking tremendous battle. It 199 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,960 was an absolute freaking slugfest with him and Navarrete. He got knocked down twice 200 00:12:39,039 --> 00:12:43,519 and he ended up getting a draw in the fight. So that was the 201 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,720 third opportunity for a title. So on that fight, Navarette retained his one 202 00:12:46,759 --> 00:12:50,039 hundred and thirty pound title, and now he's two and one in world title 203 00:12:50,039 --> 00:12:54,000 fights again. He comes back in a fight in April and he gets a 204 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,879 win, and now he set up to fight O Shaki Foss. So you 205 00:12:56,919 --> 00:13:00,440 know, fourth time, you know, if you don't get it done time, 206 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,360 it's it it. You know, you never say never. But I 207 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,919 can't off top my head, honestly, I can't really think of a guy 208 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:09,600 that's gotten five world championship opportunities without having ever won. Right, certainly, 209 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,120 not shortly, not in short certain if I get it out, certainly not 210 00:13:13,159 --> 00:13:16,840 in short order of like two or three years, where you're gonna get a 211 00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:20,360 fourth chance, is what you're saying after losing four times so constant now like 212 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,639 this is really like shit, or get off the pot to you know on 213 00:13:22,639 --> 00:13:26,120 Saturday, you've got to tick care of business or you know you're gonna. 214 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,360 I just don't see how you can reasonably put him in another fight. I 215 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:31,960 mean, I'm all for guys getting I'm getting a second opportunity and you know, 216 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,679 not discarding a guy off a loss and things along those lines. But 217 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,639 you know, four times, okay, it's now. It's not like just 218 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:41,080 an it's not a one off. It's like a trend. You're not getting 219 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:45,480 the job now. In terms of o Shaki Foster, uh, you know, 220 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,440 we all go back to last year and end of twenty twenty three, 221 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,240 had that incredible fight against Eduardo Rocky Hernandez. You retain the title in that 222 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,879 just amazing fight where he stopped him in the last round. Comes off that 223 00:13:56,919 --> 00:13:58,759 fight, I was a free agent going into the Hernandez fight. Signs with 224 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:05,480 Top gets the main event at the Madison Square Garden Theater in February against Abraham 225 00:14:05,519 --> 00:14:07,519 Nova. He put on a pretty good fight. He dropped Nova in the 226 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,559 twelfth round. He won the decision, but it was a split decision, 227 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,879 and Oshaki did not look that great. I mean he admits that, you 228 00:14:13,919 --> 00:14:18,720 know, but again not to be making excuses, but the reality was he 229 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,240 was hampered by a foot injury and then in the fight he hurt his biceps. 230 00:14:22,679 --> 00:14:26,840 So he still got the job done in that but it wasn't scintillating. 231 00:14:26,879 --> 00:14:30,039 It wasn't maybe what everybody expected. That's fair, but he still won. 232 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,600 So now he's coming to this fight. He's on the undercart of Chakor against 233 00:14:33,679 --> 00:14:37,399 Consissau, a very quality, solid opponent, and we'll see if he can 234 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,679 shine. He talked about, you know, in the build up this week 235 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:43,080 about yeah, you know, I was dinged up with my injuries, but 236 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,559 I got through it, and you know, now I'm healthy and I'm gonna 237 00:14:45,559 --> 00:14:48,320 put on a much better show against Consissau and I'm gonna, you know, 238 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:50,440 make a statement. So we'll see if he can do it. But it's 239 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,000 a good matchup and obviously, if sha Cour Stephenson stays with top rank, 240 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:58,879 this a logical fight, you know, not necessarily next, but at some 241 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,559 point will be Oshaki Foster against the course Temens because it's not unusual for the 242 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:07,919 jewor lightweight champion to go up and fight in the lightweight division. That would 243 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,320 be a very normal thing. We'll see if he can make that case could 244 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,879 be make himself if he puts himself in position to like at least put him 245 00:15:15,879 --> 00:15:18,480 on the short list for that type of man. I got a much more 246 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,559 highly entertaining matchmaking fight that I want to make, and we're going to talk 247 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,320 about it here in a little bit and just a couple of couple of previews. 248 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,919 We're going to talk about the fight I want to see if everything works 249 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:30,399 out, we'll find out what all. Right, rest of the Top Rank 250 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:35,759 show that also has Keyshawn Davis back in action and a very entertaining a young 251 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,720 lightweight. Speaking of lightweights, and Abdullah Mason, you're looking forward to both 252 00:15:37,759 --> 00:15:41,639 of these guys on the undercard. Right in Newark. So on July fourth 253 00:15:41,639 --> 00:15:45,559 weekend, there's not a lot of sports going on. There's no you know, 254 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:46,879 there's MLB, but besides that, what else has happened. There's no 255 00:15:46,919 --> 00:15:50,879 big other events in the evening. So really, for the first time in 256 00:15:50,919 --> 00:15:54,720 a while, what Top Rank in the ESPN have done is they've carved out 257 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,759 a much longer window on the main network. Now we as diehards, we 258 00:15:58,759 --> 00:16:02,279 can watch everything on ESPN Plus and obviously whatever's on the network, or just 259 00:16:02,279 --> 00:16:06,120 stay on the SPN Plus like I often do in any event. For this 260 00:16:06,159 --> 00:16:08,080 particular card, they're doing four fights on the main card on the main network. 261 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,000 They just added they it's always been Chaquor, Oshaki, Foster, and 262 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,200 Kishan. You know, in one of those fights, he's obviously a tremendous 263 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,879 prospect up in comor ten and oh, not taking on a big name, 264 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:22,360 but a guy with a great record in Miguel Midueno who's like thirty one and 265 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,600 two, a lot of experience, and Keishaan is you know, top rank, 266 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:29,799 and lots of people in boxing think he's going to become the next you 267 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,399 know, potential pound for pound guy, next you know, lightweight title challenger, 268 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,639 slash champion, and we'll see how he continues to develop. And he's 269 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:38,440 fought on Shaquor's cards in the past. They're very close to each other. 270 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:41,559 They like fighting, you you know, Shakur likes having him on his shows 271 00:16:41,559 --> 00:16:45,679 and Kishan likes being on his shows. So that that's that fight. So 272 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,679 it's the it's the continuing development of Kishan, which I'm interested in because he 273 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,559 made the point in I think the last fight. Remember he took that suspension 274 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,440 at the end of twenty twenty three because he tested positive from marijuana, and 275 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,720 he came to the point where he admitted like marijuana was maybe becoming a little 276 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,400 bit of a problem in his life. He vowed that he was going to 277 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,960 give it up and he wasn't gonna smoke anymore. After he had sort of 278 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,240 said I'm still going to smoke. And it was very defiant, you know, 279 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:14,480 because even though maybe legal in terms of a normal person recreationally doing it, 280 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,559 it's still on the books as against the rules for most athletic commissions. 281 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,160 So, okay, fine, if you're going to smoke, you know, 282 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,640 you're fine to do it. If you're just a civilian, let's call it. 283 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,640 But if you're going to be a professional boxer and get caught with it 284 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:26,960 in your system, you know, you're just doing your own self of dis 285 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,160 service. So he got himself, I guess no longer doing that, so 286 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,400 good for him. But here's the thing. After he took that suspension, 287 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,519 he came back and he thought Jose Padraza, which was by far and away 288 00:17:37,519 --> 00:17:40,519 the biggest step up of his entire career, and even though padraz had taken 289 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:42,920 some losses, he never gotten just destroyed. And Keisha went out there and 290 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,519 just knocked him out in the sixth round. That was a hugely impressive performance. 291 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,559 So this will be his second fight since he is supposedly stopped smoking weed, 292 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,519 and we'll see if he can put on another outstanding performance like that and 293 00:17:56,559 --> 00:17:57,920 continue, you know, marching up the ladder, because it's not going to 294 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,000 be too long. Would think before he's in position to get some type of 295 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,599 bigger fight, even with just going into his eleventh fight. Now, what 296 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:10,000 they did was in the last few days they added the fourth fight to the 297 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:15,039 broadcast Abdullah Mason, who was a lightweight prospect who's only eighteen years old or 298 00:18:15,079 --> 00:18:18,599 no, I take them back twenty years old, but a term pro I 299 00:18:18,599 --> 00:18:22,279 think when he was like nineteen or eighteen, just a great, great prospect. 300 00:18:22,759 --> 00:18:25,839 Looks like he's got all the tools in the world from Toledo, I 301 00:18:25,839 --> 00:18:30,759 take them back from Cleveland, Ohio, and just every time out he's impressive. 302 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,119 And so they opened up the spot for that opening fight on the broadcast 303 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:38,519 for him to be in the main broadcast or he's taking on the veteran Luis 304 00:18:38,599 --> 00:18:41,559 Lebron from Puerto Rico, who was a very sturdy, you know guy, 305 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,960 experienced guy, and they're putting him into that kind of fight. Now. 306 00:18:47,079 --> 00:18:48,799 The thing about Lebron is he's got five losses, but he has never been 307 00:18:48,839 --> 00:18:52,920 stopped in his career. It definitely looks like, at least on paper, 308 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:56,160 the most challenging opponent that Abdullah Mason has had. But I think the thing 309 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:00,200 about it is a lot of people who don't necessarily making a point to like 310 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:04,680 watch those early undercard fights on ESPN and the perliminters on ESPN plus, maybe 311 00:19:04,759 --> 00:19:07,559 don't really know about Abdullah Mason. Maybe they've heard the name, maybe they 312 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,400 might have read a little bit about him, maye, hey've seen a clip 313 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,400 of a knockout on you know, they've shown some highlights occasionally. But now 314 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,920 the wider audience will get a chance to see this kid in action for the 315 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,640 full fight and really maybe try to see what he's all about. And he's 316 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,240 a very explosive, very talented young man and you know, one of the 317 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:26,480 many excellent prospects in the top rank stable. But he's got a chance now 318 00:19:26,519 --> 00:19:29,720 in front of a big audience to shine on the main card. So I'm 319 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,319 definitely looking forward to seeing that, not so much that it's like the greatest 320 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:33,880 fight you ever saw in terms of the matchup, because it's like it's a 321 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,160 stepping stone type of fight. But he's a guy that you're gonna that a 322 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,279 year and a half, two years from now, is going to be, 323 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,680 you know, in serious position at a very young and curious because I can't 324 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,559 remember, but you always rattle these things off. Where do you have Abdullah 325 00:19:47,599 --> 00:19:49,640 Mason right now? Off the twenty twenty three prospect list. He's a guy 326 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,480 that you've been talking to, You've talked about him several times or three for 327 00:19:52,519 --> 00:19:56,400 sure, I can recall. I don't remember where I had him ranked specifically, 328 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:57,720 but he one hundred percent. I did the top fifteen at the end 329 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,160 of twenty twenty three, and he was in that. He was on that 330 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,759 list, you know, in the you know, within the I don't know 331 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:06,240 if he was top ten, but he was certainly high up there. But 332 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:07,680 without questioning, he made that list, and he'll make that list again this 333 00:20:07,759 --> 00:20:11,799 year unless something, you know, go dramatically wrong and it loses. And 334 00:20:11,799 --> 00:20:12,839 the funny thing is when I was looking at his record, when I was 335 00:20:12,839 --> 00:20:15,559 just writing a little thing about him, I realized I remembered that because I 336 00:20:15,599 --> 00:20:18,119 met the kid and talked to him and he's also got some brothers at box 337 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,759 as amateurs. I was at his professional debut. He turned pro on the 338 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,200 night that their great fight took place in Las Vegas between MICHAELA. Mayer and 339 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:32,000 Hamadusche for their unification. And the reason I was there because it was the 340 00:20:32,039 --> 00:20:33,799 Friday night, but the next night was a Canelo Alvarez fight. So I 341 00:20:33,839 --> 00:20:37,240 was in Vegas and I went to the Top rank show and got there just 342 00:20:37,279 --> 00:20:41,240 in time to see his professional debut. And he was very impressive that night, 343 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:44,440 and he has impressed fight in and fight out since. And to be 344 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,599 only twenty years old and already thirteen and oh, you know, that's pretty 345 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:55,640 impressive. So that is the Top Rank ESPN show. And again we look 346 00:20:55,759 --> 00:21:02,039 forward to talking more about the Stevenson main event and the Foster co feature on 347 00:21:02,079 --> 00:21:06,400 the bet US show coming at one Eastern time. We'll handicap those fights and 348 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,400 as I mentioned, we're going to rifle through these. There's more. Let's 349 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:14,079 go all the way to Anaheim, California. What will be on fan Meo 350 00:21:14,279 --> 00:21:18,640 pay per view. Two former UFC champions and two of the biggest names in 351 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:23,440 UFC are boxing each other in the main event in the headlining fight Nate Diz 352 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,480 and George Masbadal. I again, I say I am more interested in the 353 00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:33,559 co feature fight, but Diaz and Masbadal obviously have some crossover appeal. Just 354 00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:37,839 from my standpoint, these are guys that are trying to get paid more that 355 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,119 aren't in Dana White stable anymore with UFC. They're going to try it. 356 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:48,079 We saw Nate Diaz in the ring with Jake Paul. He was okay as 357 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,480 a boxer. Paul schooled him for a lot of the fight that was last 358 00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:53,640 August, virtually a year ago. All right, set it in a motion 359 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,839 a little more, and then I want to get to Daniel Jacobs and Shane 360 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,680 Mosley Junior. Go ahead, yeah, I mean listen, if you're first 361 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,200 of all, this is I don't take every fight is a serious fight, 362 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,799 but I don't take this fight serious from the standpoint like it's going to have 363 00:22:06,839 --> 00:22:11,799 an impact on you know, your rankings, world title opportunities, that sort 364 00:22:11,799 --> 00:22:15,440 of thing. It is a non traditional matchup within boxing, but there is 365 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,680 a segment of combat fans. Certainly Nasbadal and ds have big fan bases on 366 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:26,480 their own and maybe drawn to this event based on that because they're MMA fans, 367 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,119 and so what the pokes at Fanio did. And by the way, 368 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,799 they've made this available all over the place, besides the Faniel paper U it's 369 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:33,880 on his own paper, UITs on I think UFC Fight Pass. You can 370 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,480 buy it on regular you know, your regular Cabler satellite anyway. And the 371 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:41,200 thing I like about also is compared to all these pay per views, they 372 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,839 didn't. I mean, it's forty nine to ninety nine, but it ain't 373 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,400 sixty nine ninety nine or seventy nine ninety nine or some crazy price like they've 374 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,119 made some of these other events. There is they hope that they're appealing to 375 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,599 the UFC fans, because good luck at forty nine to ninety nine getting a 376 00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:57,759 lot of people to carry. Maybe some will, but good luck to the 377 00:22:57,839 --> 00:23:02,359 back to the fight though. The thing is, and I don't follow UFC, 378 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:04,279 you know that. I mean, I watch a little bit, but 379 00:23:04,319 --> 00:23:07,720 I had to like look up when I wrote a story about when the fight 380 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:11,720 was me because I wanted to jog my memory. So they fought in UFC 381 00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:15,160 two forty four in Madison Square Garden. This is at the end of twenty 382 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,680 nineteen, and they did like the trophy belt that they developed, the BMF 383 00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:22,920 belt, the Baddest motherfucker. I mean, it wasn't a real title, 384 00:23:23,079 --> 00:23:26,799 but that's what it was for. And so it was a hugely hyped up 385 00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:30,480 event, big, big, big deal, two badasses within UFC, and 386 00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:34,079 in the end it was Masvidal who got a third round TKO, and that 387 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,160 was because of Nate Diaz suffered a cut over his eye, so he didn't 388 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,799 lay him out, he didn't, you know, submit him or he didn't 389 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,559 he didn't choke him out, yeah right, or he didn't tap him out 390 00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:48,400 because he had his leg in a modified boss and crab and about to snap 391 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,200 it in half. These are the things they allow in UFC, which Rayphiel 392 00:23:51,319 --> 00:23:55,319 loves those factors, including in professional wrestling. But I digress, right, 393 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,400 So they come into this fight to do a real boxing match that's an authentic 394 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,319 fight, not an nex shibition. A ten round light heavyweight boxing match, 395 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,839 no, you know, official fighting round. Everything is the same as a 396 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,200 normal boxing match, the same way as we were watching, you know, 397 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:14,680 pick your top contenders in the light heavyweight division. They're just not as experience 398 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,039 in boxing. Nate Diez is oh to one officially as a pro boxer, 399 00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:21,279 with the one loss being by decision to Jake Paul where he you know, 400 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,519 was competitive, and Masvidal is one in oh in boxing, had had a 401 00:24:25,559 --> 00:24:27,920 boxing match I guess a number of years ago that he won. So they're 402 00:24:29,079 --> 00:24:32,960 very novice to the boxing game in terms of this fight, and that's the 403 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,200 main event. There are two big names, and so what they did was 404 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,720 besides the fact that you figure you're gonna draw in a m M A crowd, 405 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:41,200 which is what they're catering towards, in the terms of the main event, 406 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,920 they have put on uh uh, a kind of a quasi like a 407 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:52,200 good interesting undercard for a variety of reasons. One the cod feature is you'll 408 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,720 talk about Daniel Jacobs, who is a former two time middleweight title holder, 409 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,160 a very well known fighter, had big fights. Chavez Junior obviously had the 410 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,000 big, big fights again Canelo and Glovekin lost clean to Canelo, but it 411 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:07,359 was competitive, and there are those that thought that he'd beat TRIPLEG that night 412 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,920 when they were meeting to unify the titles. You know, and he's also 413 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,720 got a very known story because he got tons of attention from the fact that 414 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,279 he overcame cancer a guy who was you know, on on his literally like 415 00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:22,200 on his deathbed. Was not only able to come back. It's one thing 416 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,640 that survived the cancer. He came back in box again, and he didn't 417 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,279 just come back in box again. He came back in box again at the 418 00:25:27,319 --> 00:25:30,799 highest level and was involved in huge fights. So he's been off about two 419 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,079 years plus. His last fight though it's not like he came he retired and 420 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,880 he was broken down and beat up. He fought in the UK against John 421 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,960 Ryder. In his last fight, there was a WBA super middleweight eliminator. 422 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:48,160 He lost a very controversial decision in that fight. Had that fight been in 423 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,680 the United States, I dare say he would have got the decision that night. 424 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,480 Didn't happen. He you know, they looked for other fights, didn't 425 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,960 really work out. They couldn't find the right event. Anyway, he's been 426 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,559 wanting to come back and this this event came up and and the folks at 427 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:03,240 Faniel that were putting on this undercard, we're looking to do a like a 428 00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:07,440 legitimate, solid, you know, good undercard of a boxing fight, and 429 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,960 they've done that. Because Daniel Jacobs has a well known name. I'm interested 430 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,000 to see how he looks after his left I've always liked Daniel good dude and 431 00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:15,559 a heck of a fighter, and he's finding Shane Moseley Junior, who has 432 00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:18,160 sort of come up the hard way. He's got the great name, which 433 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,480 is what got him in the door. But when you're in the door, 434 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:22,960 you got to do something with that. So he's got the great name in 435 00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:26,720 terms of being the son of a Hall of Famer and Shane Moseley Sr. 436 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,480 And uh. And he's kind of, you know, come along in his 437 00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:34,200 career where you know he's lost some he's won something. But the thing about 438 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,599 him, when I first saw Shane Moseley Junior fight, I'm like, this 439 00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:42,119 dude cannot fight at all. He was terrible and toad the kid's credit. 440 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:47,319 I definitely give him credit. He has worked hard and he has made something 441 00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:48,599 of himself. Now, is he gonna be a world champion? I mean, 442 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,839 I guess it's still conceivable, But he's gotten better. He's taken some 443 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,640 losses, but he's got four losses on the record. He's got four. 444 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,200 He won a couple of fights since his fourth loss. He's won four fights 445 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,680 in a row. YEA. And when he did lose his last fight to 446 00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:04,400 Jason Quigley. He was a majority decision, was very close and he didn't 447 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,599 get the hand raised. But he has gotten better. He did beat Rosatto 448 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,799 for what that's worth. He beat Demetrius Ballard, which you know was a 449 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,440 solid win for him who only had one loss going into that fight. And 450 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,599 so he's taking a risk. I mean it's kind of a calculated gamble, 451 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,079 like he's going in with a guy that's, you know, coming off of 452 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,839 a two plus year layoff, that's you know, into his late thirties. 453 00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:26,680 So if you're not going to do this type of fight, now, what 454 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:32,119 are you waiting for? So Shane Shane Sr. Who hasn't always been in 455 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,519 his son's corner, is with him for this fight, been talking him up, 456 00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:38,359 and I mean, can you I guess he called a crossroads fight, 457 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,359 right. You got one guy see if he can make another run in Jacobs 458 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,400 who's been at the championship level. You got another guy in Mosley that's looking 459 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,640 to put a big name on his record to see if he can you know, 460 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,400 boost his career to the next level. So as a co feature on 461 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,720 a fight with that's kind of a non traditional main event, but have combatants 462 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,480 who are very famous and well known, Like, I think this is a 463 00:27:57,519 --> 00:28:00,400 good even interesting matchup. And then in terms of the rest of the card 464 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,279 that they're putting on, obviously some of this, you know is uh, 465 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,759 you know, for hype and all that kind of business. So you got 466 00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:11,000 a motto Vargas, who is the the the one of the fighting sons of 467 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,200 Fernando Vargas taken on the Sean Garcia, who is the brother of Ryan Garcia. 468 00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:18,119 So that's sort of like they've you know, they've been talking ship with 469 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,359 each other. You know, I'm not sure either guy is going anywhere necessarily, 470 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,079 but uh, you know, we'll see what they can do in that 471 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,960 fight. I mean, a model Vargas has got a lot more experienced professionally 472 00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:32,359 than Sean Garcia is ten and er. Uh anyway, it's it's it's it's 473 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,599 a lightweight fight. Garcia is seven oh to one, but is like I've 474 00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:38,400 watched him fight, he's he's really I mean, I don't I'm not trying 475 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,480 to insult the kid, but he's basically been just living on his brother's coattails. 476 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,799 Whereas a motto is you know, trying to make a real go of 477 00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:47,640 it. I mean, I don't. I don't really, I've not taken 478 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,359 Sean Garcia as like seriously dedicated to boxing compared to the Vargas. Uh. 479 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,480 You know, the brothers are fighting with their father, so that's that's one 480 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:56,839 of the fights. And then you know, they got Anthony Pettis, who 481 00:28:56,839 --> 00:29:00,400 was a former UFC guy who actually gave Roy Jones. You know, I 482 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:06,160 guess we'll be finally Roy Jones's final professional fight, So I guess. You 483 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,000 know, they got six fights on the pay per view, a little bit 484 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:11,079 for everybody. Good luck, good luck with the pay per view. We'll 485 00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:15,119 see what happens with it. And again we'll handicap the Jacobs Mosley fight a 486 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,519 little further on the bet Us show. And I get it that there will 487 00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:22,359 be the crossover MMA UFC fans, it'll be interested in this. How many 488 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,400 of them are interested that is? That remains to be seen in that one. 489 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,039 But we did we did it. It's justice there and gave it a 490 00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:30,640 preview. All right, I'm going to impress you here. You always like 491 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:37,519 my geography about thirty miles to the northeast of Anaheim. In my la geography, 492 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,119 you go up off the six to zero five and that's Ontario, California, 493 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,720 and that's where the Golden Boy main event is with top ranked lightweight continu 494 00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:48,799 contender Williams Zapeta back in action. No Golden Boy, bro Golden Boy, 495 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,480 Golden Yeah, whatever I said, Golden Boy dis own main event. And 496 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,279 in this case, Zapaida, as you have made mention of a couple of 497 00:29:56,279 --> 00:30:00,640 times, is not just top ranked in one of the rankings, he's top 498 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:06,200 ranked in all of them at lightweight right now. So, uh, call 499 00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:11,960 me crazy. But if Shakour connects the dots here, if Shakur wins and 500 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,119 Shakur wants to fight a name with another promotion, here is that name the 501 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,519 number one contender, call me crazy again. And Zepaida is an entertaining fighter, 502 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,960 a knockout fighter. Out a little more on this main event and then 503 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,599 maybe is this setting something up for the fall or the winter here with Shaquur 504 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,680 Stevenson depending, well, I mean, I think you're getting way far ahead 505 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:36,880 of yourself because number one, that the the Chaquure Stevenson, the type of 506 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,680 fighter he is, the defense and the slickness is you know, in the 507 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,559 immortal words of Duke from Rocky Too, he's all wrong for his baby. 508 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,799 Uh, that's a hard fight for Zepeida with the skills. Now Zepeida throws 509 00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:49,799 a billion punches and maybe he connects. What point I'm making here is this, 510 00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:55,559 there's no that is not by any means like something that's on paper that 511 00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:57,680 they're talking about. Now, Dale Hoya has been you know, edging or 512 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,200 egging on court to to to look for that fight. But here's the point. 513 00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:03,839 Oscar de lay as a fighter and Williams of paid it where if he 514 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,559 wins, he maintains a very rare feat. As we just said, he 515 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,960 is ranked number one by all four major organizations. So you want to talk 516 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,559 about something more rare than a than a title, than a fighter getting say 517 00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:19,400 the fourth title shot or almost as rare unusual is a guy being number one 518 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,880 across the board in all four organizations. So he don't have to fightha course, 519 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,240 Stevenson, somebody's gonna make him a mandatory in order to fight, But 520 00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:30,559 it's going to be an opportunity for him to sort of pick and choose what 521 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,480 direction he wants to go in in terms of fighting for a world title. 522 00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:37,160 But he's got to contend with the Giovanni Carbrera first who's only got the one 523 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,680 loss, although it's it's uh the one loss. You and I were there, 524 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:44,960 that was heught he lost uh to a pitbull cruise. On the other 525 00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:48,799 card, when Errol Spence had the fight against Terrence Crawford last July, last 526 00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:52,039 July, twelve months ago. Yeah, so Cabrera. Cabrera has come back 527 00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:56,119 and won one fight since then. But there's a whole different kettle of fish, 528 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,279 so to speak, going from fighting your last fight against Ricardo to Williams 529 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:05,799 Zapeta, who, as I said, hard punching southpaw, throws a billion 530 00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:10,359 punches. His offense is his defense because he's so busy and he's so relentless, 531 00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:14,519 and he's such a good puncher that he does not give opponents a chance 532 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:16,359 to breathe. You want to ask Max to Hughes about that, who got 533 00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:20,720 beaten down in four rounds by him back in March. I mean, that's 534 00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:24,519 just the typical kind of Zapeta performance. So, you know, good luck 535 00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:29,640 to Giovanni Cabrera. I think this would be a humongous upset. The levels 536 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,039 are off the charts different in my opinion. I don't know if it's going 537 00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:36,599 to be early or late but I think that williams Apeida is going to deliver 538 00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:42,559 another monumental beatdown to Giovanna Cabrera. I mean again, this does not seem 539 00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:45,160 complicated to me. I mean that that's a fight that would be a lot 540 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,400 of fun if it were to happen. I will go ahead and say this. 541 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,680 I didn't say this in the first thirty five minutes or so of the 542 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:57,039 podcast. Shaquur Stevenson's match up with with Della Santos was a garbage matchup on 543 00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:00,480 paper to begin with, and this one's not much more above of garbage matchup. 544 00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:05,839 What that tells me, TJ, no offenses. You didn't know anything 545 00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:08,599 about Edwin Dave Los Sanders going to the fight. It's just it's just a 546 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:15,119 guy, and it's not just a guy. Keep in mind that your cor 547 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,799 was supposed to fight Frank Martin, whose team accepted the fight and then pulled 548 00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:22,079 out right. But it's just a guy they hold on. Can I finish 549 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,759 the point? This guy's the number one contender in all the organizations. He 550 00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:30,599 knocks people out. It's compelling. He's got a West Coast following. Stevenson's 551 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:36,079 been on ESPN enough times where he's got a national following along with fight fans. 552 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,359 That's a fight that is a compelling fight. Okay, you're missing, 553 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,519 you're you're we're crossing like ships in the night. I'm not anti the fight. 554 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:44,759 I like the fight. I'd like to see the fight. What I'm 555 00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:47,599 saying to is, yes, it's be interesting for everybody to be involved in 556 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,480 and to watch, but it's not by any means a fada complete because he's 557 00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:58,559 gonna have opportunities in other organizations. Now, if if Dozipaida was only the 558 00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:00,559 mandatory or the number one he's he's not gonna fight. He's not gonna fight 559 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:06,240 Gervonte Davis and Lomachenko because they're going to fight each other to have two of 560 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,679 the other belt. Okay, so somebody could make an interim title because that's 561 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:15,000 what they do. Unfortunately, so that's a possibility. He could absolutely get 562 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,880 a chance to fight Barentchik, which might be the easiest route to a world 563 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:22,280 title. Even if it's not nothing for me or anybody else, it does 564 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,880 a lot as though it gets him paid and it gets him a title. 565 00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:28,320 Are you telling me that a fight with Baranchik is gonna pays the pay to 566 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,480 more than a fight with Chaqueur Stevenson now on again. What I'm saying is, 567 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,599 if you're strategic, you get a title, you make a good purse 568 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:39,800 for the title fight, and now you got a title and it gets you 569 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,719 much much more money when you go into a unification. Don't you think that 570 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,679 Chakor versus versus the paida as a unification is way bigger than it. But 571 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,119 now we're arguing semantics. It's not a true unification if you're the interim whatever 572 00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:55,719 and somebody else. No, no, no, no no. If you 573 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,800 fight Barent, yeah, if you would beat if you were to beat him, 574 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,360 if you fight for Rancheck, you're the WBO champion, and then you're 575 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,559 fighting Chakurt theoretically in a BC unification. So now you get two bites of 576 00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:08,920 the apple. You get the title at the BO, you get a good, 577 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,000 strong purse for the title challenge, and now you're in a much better 578 00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:16,960 stead to unify and negotiate that money as also a fellow champion. You got 579 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,679 to just I mean, I'm just talking about mentality. How about go beat 580 00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:23,519 Shaquure Stevenson and now you're a shot caller at one five. That's a humongous 581 00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:27,199 win. If you get it. But if you win another title and then 582 00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:31,840 you beat Chakor, you're even a bigger shot caller strategic. Maybe you're complicating 583 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:37,039 something that's fairly simple. Right now. I'm give me a better fight, 584 00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:42,639 Chaqueur Stevenson. Again, we're having a disconnect. I agree, But I 585 00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:45,880 also understand the business a lot better than most people. And the business means 586 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,880 you do something else before Chakor if you can for a title. Now, 587 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,239 if they come and they offer the fight, or Golden Boys signed Shakur and 588 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,159 they can make it, by all means, take the fight. I'm just 589 00:35:57,159 --> 00:36:01,840 making all has a chess that the chessboard would say, you're gonna do something 590 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,039 else first, all right, and have confidence in yourself and then try to 591 00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,360 land the big one. Well, we'll see. Let's move on, Let's 592 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,519 see how's it paid. The looks and again, surprising things can happen. 593 00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:15,840 What happens in that fight with Cabrera, it's boxing. We don't know. 594 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,880 We will fight. What happens in the fight with Stevenson if something goes wrong 595 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,599 for him, who knows. Earlier in the day, in London, Johnny 596 00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:30,719 Fisher, Allen the Savage Babbage fighting in a ten round heavyweight main event. 597 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,000 I've seen them at the press conference. You know, the Brits don't care. 598 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:36,400 The English don't care about July fourth. It's a whole different thing for 599 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,519 them. They had the press conference on July fourth and they were ready to 600 00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:44,119 rumble. It looked like artificial or not at the Averys all right, So 601 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,039 well, yeah they have a hard time with that still two hundred and forty 602 00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:50,880 eight years later. But in any event, Fisher Babbage headlines. It is 603 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:57,039 Saturday afternoon US time, Saturday night on de Zonne in the UK. So 604 00:36:57,079 --> 00:37:00,119 obviously we'll pay this a little bit of mine too. Even if this is 605 00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:02,960 not for anybody that's going to get a you know, a significant fight off 606 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,440 of this, it's still fairly entertaining here. Dismatchup, we think, oh, 607 00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:09,960 without question, and that's the reason we're even talking about it. That's 608 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,159 why it's headline. The number one. Johnny Fisher has gone, in my 609 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:20,480 estimation, from a heavyweight suspect frankly that had a large fan base that turned 610 00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:22,199 out to his events where he was fighting on undercards and sold a lot of 611 00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:25,800 tickets. So Mattrim continued to put him on. And not only was he 612 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,039 continuing to sell a ton of tickets, but he was getting better, working, 613 00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,480 hard, looking, good strong, good chance. It seems like good 614 00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:37,639 punching power, nice personality, like a fun fighter, no doubt about it. 615 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,639 When he went and fought in Las Vegas in a fight that he had 616 00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:44,159 back in his most recent fight in February when Mattriom did, I think it 617 00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:46,519 was one of the Connor Bend cards that they had in Vegas. Johnny was 618 00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:52,079 on the undercard that night or that afternoon in our time, and he brought 619 00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:54,880 like a couple hundred people that traveled from the UK to see a complete mismatch 620 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,000 and he ended up getting first roundnocout. But they were there to party and 621 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,800 tear their guy on. That's the kind of loyalty that his fans bring. 622 00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:05,239 And he is just in a very exciting, very fun fighter to watch, 623 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,519 big puncher. We'll see as he continues to develop. It's still a long 624 00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:10,320 way to go before he's in the big big time, but he's eleven to 625 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,119 zero ten knockouts. And Babbage is a smaller heavyweight you know had previously, 626 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:20,639 uh not too long ago, fought down in the bridgerweight division. But if 627 00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:22,920 you watch him, his earlier fights, and he was also on a lot 628 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,360 of matchrom guards just incredible action fights, just balls to the wall from the 629 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,039 get go. I'm telling you right now, I don't know what's gonna happen 630 00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:34,880 in the fight one hundred percent, but I'm i'd be Actually, I have 631 00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:37,079 to look at the numbers. You know, you talk about sometimes you do 632 00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:40,239 the bet Us show and the over under is like you know, right or 633 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,000 some crazy enough. I would take the under no matter what the under is. 634 00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:47,079 On this fight one and a half. You probably would be a little 635 00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:51,199 hesitant, but you're saying take the under. I would take the under. 636 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,320 I think this is a one round fight. I think Johnny Fischer knocks Hi 637 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,400 out in the first round. Really, I mean, very very good. 638 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,039 Possibility, could be advantageous. I'm just looking because we didn't prep this. 639 00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:04,440 Again, you and I don't script per se. You have a rundown, 640 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,360 but we didn't. We didn't prep this. I'm just looking to see what 641 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:12,559 bet Us has that listed. Even though when Babbage fought for the bridgerweight title 642 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,440 in April of this year against Lucas Rozanski that took place in Poland, he 643 00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:20,480 did get stopped in the first round, by a much smaller guy. And 644 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,679 I mean, granted that's his only loss, but Babbage has been down. 645 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,079 Babbage gets hit with everything. He does not know how to spell defense if 646 00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:30,719 he spotted him the d E F E N S or in the case of 647 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:36,599 Britain, the d E F E N C C the C. So he 648 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,039 is not known for his defense. Not that Johnny Fisher is mister defense either, 649 00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:43,760 but it's a different level in mine. I will tantalize you. The 650 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:49,159 over under is three and a half under under under you're saying for Johnny Fisher, 651 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,920 get him out of there under all right? Compelling and again that Saturday 652 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:57,760 afternoon. But here's the point of DJ no matter what happens in that fight, 653 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,559 because if Babbage lands a great punch, you never know he's got power 654 00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:04,039 too. He's got ten knockouts in this twelve wins, all right, I'm 655 00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:07,920 sorry, eleven knockouts in this twelve wins. These are very fun, exciting 656 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,400 fighters to watch. It's going to be no matter what happens, in my 657 00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:15,440 opinion, absolutely an explosive kind of fight. They're not gonna have to find 658 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,880 each other, bang bang bang can don't be in a bathroom, don't be 659 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,920 at the fridge, be in fun of the screen when this one starts, 660 00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:25,039 is what you're saying, Like, there are probably people that if if this 661 00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:30,159 fight goes as quick as it might go, you know, probably taking pisses 662 00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:32,159 longer than this fight may last. And there's an image for you on a 663 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:37,440 July fourth show. That's the match Room shows Saturday afternoon in the US, 664 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,880 Saturday, I use the to use the fireworks, you know, make that 665 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,000 analogy with fireworks on July fourth. I don't know, but I don't know 666 00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:47,119 which one you were going for there on that No, I'm talking about with 667 00:40:47,159 --> 00:40:52,159 a Babbage against They don't care about our July fourth fireworks. That's got nothing 668 00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:55,119 to do with them in England. I'm for audience that's listening. Yeah, 669 00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:59,440 there could be some fireworks on Saturday for that one. But wait, there's 670 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,400 more. We're gonna to news, We're going to get to nostalgia. But 671 00:41:01,519 --> 00:41:07,880 we're not done yet. We got a world title unification junior bantamweight battle between 672 00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:15,199 kaz Ioka Kazuto Ioka of Japan Fernando Martinez of Argentina. Thank you, WBA 673 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:22,320 IBF unified one hundred and fifteen pound titles and This is Sunday morning in the 674 00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:27,960 US, Sunday morning Sunday night in Tokyo. So this makes the preview pod 675 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,000 as well. Raypael always up for some good Japanese title boxing, and this 676 00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:36,599 is this is something that looks like it could be a compelling fight here, 677 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,920 especially this is the division with Bam Rodriguez as well. And here we've got 678 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:45,880 a unification fight coming the next weekend on Sunday. Get up early or watch 679 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,480 it later on tape delay. You were saying to me though all the problems, 680 00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:52,960 you were saying to me off the pod before we hit the record button. 681 00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:57,119 It's there's not a known way to see this in the United States while 682 00:41:57,159 --> 00:42:00,800 it's going on live right, it's not. There's to my knowledge, there 683 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,639 is no official broadcast anywhere in the United States or in England for that at 684 00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:08,679 are UK. My understanding is if you live in Mexico, where they where 685 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:14,039 ESPN Knockout brings in a lot of overseas fight is available on ESPN Knockouts, 686 00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:15,599 so some people might have a satellite dish that picks it up or something like 687 00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:19,360 that, but there is you know, it's disappointing. I thought maybe ESPN 688 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,760 Plus might pick it up. Maybe de Zone would pick it up, but 689 00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:24,239 not the case. But as you mentioned well, number one, it's important 690 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,559 because it's a unification fight between you know, two champions, and Ioka is 691 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,599 what have been one of the top champions for a very long time, borderline 692 00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:34,800 hall of famer in my opinion. You know, he's a four division champion, 693 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,159 and you know unification fights mean something, but more so in this case 694 00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:43,159 because the winner of this fight is the guy that Bam Rodriguez was calling out 695 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,199 after his great victory against one Francisco Astrata. Now I know that Estrada is 696 00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:52,199 most likely going to follow through and formally execute his right to the immediate rematch, 697 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,960 So we'll see that fight in the fall. But the winner of Ioka 698 00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:00,960 and Martinez could still be there to fight Bam Rodriguez in next fight after that, 699 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,239 which would be probably in the very beginning of next year, so not 700 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:07,360 that long away. Bam has even said that traveling to Japan wouldn't be something 701 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:13,880 they would be opposed to. Remember, Bama is co promoted by Teaking Boxing, 702 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,079 which is mister Honda's company, and going to Japan would not be a 703 00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:22,440 big problem for him, so their stakes in Ioka versus Martinez just on its 704 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,760 own as a unification, but also it does set up the possibility of a 705 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,119 much bigger fight in that weight class. And by the way, BAM's brother, 706 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:36,079 Joshua Franco, there's a family angle here. I thought he'd beat Ioka 707 00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:38,719 in the first fight. You're not the only siko that watches these fights in 708 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,079 Japan. It was ruled to draw. Then in the rematch, Franco was 709 00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:46,360 significantly overweight, was having mental health issues and basically now is retired from the 710 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,159 sport, and Ioka beat him in the rematch. But now there's even a 711 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,840 family revenge angle too for true Bam potentially down the road here. So I'm 712 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:58,719 intrigued by this. I don't know a lot obviously about the opponent. I 713 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,280 did look at it before we did, but Martinez on Fernando Martinez, But 714 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,559 go ahead Martinez. For those in the United States, he's actually probably been 715 00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:08,920 seeing more than Ioka because Martinez has been on showtime because when he won the 716 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,559 title uh and then defended the title, it was in a rematch with who 717 00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:15,519 beat him and that or who he beat and that was against gerwy and Kaas, 718 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,719 who is a well known fighter in that way vision that fought on a 719 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,880 ton of American fight cards, and when he was with Top Break on the 720 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,800 ESPN several fights of course, and then showtime. So Martinez is that guy 721 00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:30,400 who's undefeated sixteen and oho with two of the wins against a gosh Ioka is 722 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:35,000 a bit older than he is. I mean he's thirty six years old Ioka, 723 00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:37,519 So I mean, I'm not sure how much he has left. Necessarily, 724 00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:40,199 Martinez hasn't been real acting. He's like thirty two, and Martinez hasn't 725 00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:44,679 been real active either, So this is interesting going to Japan. Ajoka. 726 00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:47,360 If you take a look at Japanese boxing right now, and it's tremendous right 727 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,920 now, there's a lot of they got a lot of world shame. He's 728 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,920 a lot of really outstanding fighters. To me, obviously in a way is 729 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,880 number one. But then if you're the you know, putting in a way 730 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,679 all the way at the top, if you take a look at that next 731 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,119 group of the champions that they have and where there where they are, let's 732 00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:04,880 say in the hierarchy, guys that could be like on a pound for pound 733 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,519 type of list for example, not just of Japanese fighters, but in the 734 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,639 entire sport. You know, you got Nakatani who's been making a name for 735 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,039 himself, has looked great. But Ioka is right there in that same kind 736 00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:17,199 of in that same sort of area. Like I said, he may be 737 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,880 a little bit older, but he's got a tremendous amount of accomplishment. He's 738 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,239 got the titles in the four wake lesses. He's looking to unify in this 739 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,360 particular matchup. He's a really good fighter, and he's made some great fights 740 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,000 also through the years. I've watched lots of his fights, uh, you 741 00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:31,880 know, whether they've been against big names or just regular fighters. But you 742 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,559 mentioned the two Franco fights. He's got a win over Donni in the Edis, 743 00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:37,199 who was a four division champion from the Philippines, who's one of the 744 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,400 maybe one of the best Filipino fighters ever, you know, once you get 745 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,719 beyond uh you know, Manny Pacaut and maybe one or two other guys. 746 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,199 I mean, he's he's a top notch guy. But I hooka beat. 747 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,199 You know, he beat Tanaka, he beat Rodriguez, he beat uh, 748 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,519 you know a lot of good fighters. So by the way, he also 749 00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:53,960 lost the fight in the Edis, but he avenged that, you know, 750 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,400 a couple of years later. But if you go through his his resume, 751 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,159 he is beaten, while the guys in those smaller weight classes reveco and you 752 00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:07,280 know, on and on Felix Alvarado. It's I mean, maybe not household 753 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,079 names, but if you follow those small weight classes, you know these are 754 00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:13,199 quality victories and see if you can keep it going. And Martinez, you 755 00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:15,519 know, would be a career win. I would consider it a much bigger 756 00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:19,440 win from the vat Ioka than it was the beating on cas All right again, 757 00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:22,559 that is Sunday morning, US time Sunday night with the fourteen hour time 758 00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:30,559 difference in Japan for Ioca Martinez and unification at the junior bantamweight level. Man, 759 00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:34,280 we gave you lots lots on the previews. Let's spend a few minutes 760 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,360 on some news and then some nostalgia before we head off here off of the 761 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,639 fourth of July on the preview end of the weekend. Okay, So the 762 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,639 WBA has made a couple of announcements, not the kind that you want to 763 00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:52,079 make about doping violations for a couple of fighters in the In the case of 764 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,360 a couple of fighters, go ahead, and enlighteness. Well, it was 765 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,000 really only one announcement. The other one I kind of found by accident. 766 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:00,679 They never actually else anything, so I was rather surprised by it, to 767 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,960 be honest with you, and that's, you know, kind of disappointing. 768 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,920 They wouldn't put it out there. But in any event, the w BA 769 00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:10,400 has stripped Erica Cruz of the women's you know, WBA title that he held 770 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,440 in the junior featherweight division. She had if you remember, she fought on 771 00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:17,679 the undercard of one of the fights in Mexico that that Matroom Boxing put on 772 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,119 back. I forget the executive I guess it was in May and she fought 773 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:27,960 into a draw with a woman from from a Nazarina Romero from Argentina. They 774 00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:30,000 fought to a draw. But even though they were being tested by IT, 775 00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:34,559 and they weren't being tested by VADA. There's another outfit called Drug Free Sport, 776 00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:37,159 which is not as highly regarded as VADA. They don't do as stringing 777 00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:42,000 a testing. It's not as in my opinion, and I've looked into both 778 00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:45,280 of them, VADA blows it away, but at least it's something, and 779 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:50,000 in this particular instance, they did catch her with a banned substance, not 780 00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:53,840 only one band substance, TJ. Not only two banded substancees, but three 781 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,360 band substances. She's doing her best, Gerald Miller, my gosh, I 782 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,679 mean she had she had two different anabolic sterois or related to stanazol. She 783 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:09,480 had another thing called for for mos for osamide. I'll help you. Stanaz 784 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,639 a law is a big time steroid, by the way, big that's like 785 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:19,159 Ben Johnson's shiit right correct? Yes, So anyway, so she hit the 786 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,440 jackpot seven seven seven across the board and she's got to give the belt back. 787 00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:24,559 How long? How long is she looking at for a suspension in this 788 00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:28,239 circumstance, were looking at at least I mean it's going to be at least 789 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,360 six months, and were looking at a year. Well, no they haven't. 790 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:35,159 They didn't announce a Keep in mind one thing when it comes to drug 791 00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:40,079 violations, the sanctioning bodies are responsible for the title. They can tell you 792 00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,920 you can't fight for our title for a year, or for six months or 793 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,000 two years whatever, and they can striput you with the title, but they 794 00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:51,079 can't prevent you from boxing because they can only control who's eligible to fight for 795 00:48:51,159 --> 00:48:53,920 their belts. So the WBA announced this situation that they stripped her. What 796 00:48:54,320 --> 00:49:01,000 Mexico and that local commission has done has no announced, and I'm not sure 797 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,000 if they've done something yet. This just happened. So in terms of the 798 00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:08,440 the WBA's decision, so one would assume she's going to be suspended for some 799 00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:12,519 period of time. Any of them, she's not because of this violation. 800 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,199 Certainly in the United States, she's not going to get a license any time 801 00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:16,800 in the near future. But she probably wasn't planning to fight her anyway, 802 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:21,440 but she did lose her world title. The thing about it was that the 803 00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:24,719 fight happened. But unfortunately, when you're being tested, you're being tested leading 804 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,400 up to the fight, in the days leading up, the week's leading up. 805 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,920 But the ones that are right at the end and then right after her 806 00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:35,079 test that was positive came back were right before the fight, so she fought 807 00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:37,199 even though they didn't have that result back. So she had the A sample 808 00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:40,519 that was tested. That's what came back dirty. And the reason she ended 809 00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:45,639 up getting stripped is because she'd let the deadline pass to test the B sample, 810 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,039 So the B sample was never tested because she didn't ask for it, 811 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,559 but that's if you don't do that, that means you're guilty anyway. So 812 00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:55,639 the WBA wants the deadline for a test to be passed. They were like, 813 00:49:55,679 --> 00:49:58,360 all right, if you're not going to do that, now you're stripped 814 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,480 to the title, and now it's going to be up to you know, 815 00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:02,519 the local commission to meet out whatever kind of punishment there was. So that's 816 00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:07,199 what happened. That was just something that was announced on Tuesday of this week. 817 00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:09,519 Now, if you go to the next one that we're gonna that, 818 00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:13,639 I'm gonna mention this is the one in my mind that was flotally under the 819 00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,280 raider because it never was any kind of like official announcement or anything. It 820 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,159 was a surprise me. Now, it's not the biggest name, not the 821 00:50:19,199 --> 00:50:23,360 biggest title, but there's a fighter named Evgeny Tashenko who if you follow amateur 822 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:29,159 boxing, he was the Russian Olympic gold medalist in the twenty sixteen Olympics and 823 00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:31,119 then he stayed amateur and got a late pro start, so he hasn't had 824 00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:37,760 a ton of pro fights, but he won the WBA also followed the WBC 825 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,800 and created the bridgerweight division two hundred and twenty four pounds between heavyweight and cruiserweight. 826 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,800 So he had a fight for the inaugural title of the first ever WBA 827 00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:52,920 bridgerweight title fight. So in Germany he won. Back in December, he 828 00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:57,199 knocked out a German fighter named Leon Hearth in the sixth round in Dubai and 829 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,400 won the Bridgerway title. All right, he hadn't fought since and then I 830 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,000 hadn't heard anything about it. So just by happen since I was looking at 831 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,159 for some other things, and I stumbled across and then got a copy of 832 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:12,639 the document that the Middle East Boxing Commission. I don't even remember when the 833 00:51:12,679 --> 00:51:15,320 A samples were, but apparently sometime between December and more recently, he had 834 00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:20,679 the A sample to come back positive. He then asked for the B sample 835 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,239 to be tested that came back positive. So all the way back on April 836 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:28,440 fifth, this is a few months ago, already the Middle Eastern Commission notified 837 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,480 the people involved that he had flunk to the B sample. Well, you 838 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,800 lost me a little bit. The fight was in December, the A samples 839 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,000 positive at some point, and they waited till April to try to litigate B 840 00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:40,760 sample or no, no April is when the B sample came back. There's 841 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,679 time you have, you know, thirty days when the results came back. 842 00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,559 Okay, the results of the B sample came back on April fifth, but 843 00:51:46,679 --> 00:51:51,840 it stayed under the radar until July. Well, I found it, I 844 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,800 mean anywhere. Actually, I actually when I saw that, I'm like, 845 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,239 how the fuck did I miss this? I googled it to see if I 846 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,360 could find it anywhere, and I didn't see anybody else anywhere we reporting it. 847 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,920 So but this is what happened. So at some point between December and 848 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,840 April, the A sample was positive. He was obviously notified. So it 849 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,559 probably took a couple of weeks. They gave him probably you know, two 850 00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:14,119 weeks, three weeks, a month whatever to request the B sample. They 851 00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:15,920 obviously requested the B sample. That could have taken another, you know, 852 00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:19,679 a few weeks or a month to deal with that. And so at some 853 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,840 point on either April fifth or in the days before that, that sample came 854 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,639 back as positive. That was a VADA test, by the way, they're 855 00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:30,719 the ones that conducted that testing. And when that B sample came came back 856 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:36,159 positive, the Middle East Boxing Commission suspended him for one year. Backdated to 857 00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,000 December ninth, overturned the result of the fight to an O contest. Now 858 00:52:40,159 --> 00:52:44,599 I'm not sure what's going to happen with the result of the Erica Cruz fight. 859 00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:46,920 Presumably the Mexican Commission at some point when they punish her, they'll also 860 00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:51,039 change that to an O contest. But in Tashenko's case, again, he's 861 00:52:51,039 --> 00:52:52,679 a great amateur. He's Olympic gold medalist. This you know, he may 862 00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,840 not be fighting in a well known division in the pros, but you're an 863 00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:00,400 Olympic gold medalist. It's meaningful and so on top of that, so he 864 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,480 get like I said, he got stripped of the title. So do we 865 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,559 know, was it again a hardcore ped a hardcore steroid? No, we 866 00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:08,519 don't know. The only thing I know is in the official letter that they 867 00:53:08,639 --> 00:53:12,840 sent to him, where they explained to him you're be sample as positive. 868 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,400 You're here by suspended and whatever. It was only quote prohibited substances. It 869 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:22,320 did not specify what they were. But by the word substances in my vernacular, 870 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,119 that means more than one. Because it wasn't prohibited substance, was prohibited 871 00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:34,880 substances. Maybe sometimes so when the Middle Eastern Boxing Commission suspended him. Therefore, 872 00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:37,039 obviously the w BA was notified about that also because they were the ones 873 00:53:37,079 --> 00:53:40,400 overseeing the fight. They then stripped him of the title. And then again 874 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:45,440 I went to their website and I noticed on their on their phones, but 875 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,840 it listened their title as vacant. And there you go. So two w 876 00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:52,119 BA champions in the span of you know, a few months, I guess 877 00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:57,480 for doping violations are stripped of their titles. So at least from that standpoint, 878 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,360 you know, the fighters are being punished, you know, which they 879 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,119 should be as they should be, all right. A couple more news items 880 00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:07,360 real quick. Queensberry announces the signing of an American that we should you know, 881 00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:10,440 you should know this name as an American contender who had been a free 882 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:17,360 agent and then a top amateur super middleweight that has interest one of those names. 883 00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:22,719 These are great signings for Queensberry Promotions. This is Brandon Lee, who's 884 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,119 twenty eight and oh with twenty three knockouts, but still a very young fighter 885 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,519 only twenty five years old from California. Have been and people know him from 886 00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:31,880 seeing him on Showtime a bunch he had been with the network. He was 887 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:37,880 signed directly to showtime, even though he's fighting regular on the PBC cards, 888 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,679 so he's now signed with Queens. In the other podcast a couple of times, 889 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:46,679 he's a very likable interview. There's a real question mark about quality of 890 00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:51,559 competition, et cetera, et cetera. And that's why you he's seen him 891 00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:54,679 in a huge fight because there's been question marks about you know, you know, 892 00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,800 is he on the right track to a world title shot? And maybe 893 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,800 that's what this was on MO because of the he wasn't with a promoter, 894 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,760 so that was causing some issues there and it's hard to you know, you 895 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,960 got to have some backing even if he had the network, they only have 896 00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:08,679 so many dates for you. But you know, he's a very good up 897 00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,840 and coming fighter still even with all those fights. The other fighter is a 898 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,920 fighter named Nathan Lugo who's only nineteen years old from Marietta, Georgia. Tremendous 899 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,920 amateur background. Most recently in terms of his amateurs he did turn pro on 900 00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,400 an OTX card in Atlanta on his owne, but he wasn't signed to any 901 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,880 promoter and he won that fight. But he's the twenty twenty two the United 902 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,159 States national champion in the light heavyweight division. The interesting thing about Brandon Lee 903 00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:37,480 and Lugo, both of them are managed by David mcwater, who was would 904 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:42,239 probably best known to normal to regular more regular boxing guns. You don't follow 905 00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,519 the minute of this. They know him as of the manager of Tafimo Lopez 906 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,679 among others, but Tifmo's is his biggest client. And when I wrote about 907 00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,039 this impending signings a couple of weeks ago in my substack newsletter Fight Freaks Unite, 908 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,840 I spoke to Dave about this and this was not like the Queensberry announced 909 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,800 it the other day. I'd already written about it, even though the paperwork 910 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:05,119 wasn't necessarily signed an official But basically what David said to me on the record 911 00:56:05,159 --> 00:56:07,039 back at that point when I wrote about this is that they had gotten offers, 912 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:13,000 in particular for Brandon Lee from other companies Top Rank and I think matrim 913 00:56:13,159 --> 00:56:15,320 was the other one, maybe was Golden, but I forget which it was, 914 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,039 but definitely Top Rank. That the that the offers were not to their 915 00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:21,440 like and Queensberry, which is the reason why this is a big deal, 916 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,280 is because as top notes of a promoter as Queensberry is and has a great 917 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:29,079 stable, and we've seen them featured on lots of cards that come on ESPN 918 00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:31,280 Plus In America, obviously they're heavily involved in these cards. In Saudi Arabia 919 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:37,000 they're the con Tyson Fury, but by and large they don't sign American fighters 920 00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:39,559 because their cards are taking place in the UK and now of course in Saudi 921 00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:44,559 Arabia, so they like to sign guys that are ticket sellers also. But 922 00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:49,079 the talent level of Lugo and Lee is as such that it made it worth 923 00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:52,360 their time and effort and money to go and get these guys. Lugo was 924 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,400 a tremendous young prospect and Brandon Lee they don't have to spend a lot of 925 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,039 time and effort on. He's already in a position to be in a world 926 00:56:59,079 --> 00:57:01,800 title fight within the next couple of fights. So they signed them up and 927 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:07,280 they got themselves some very good talent and two Americans, which is a little 928 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,519 bit different than what they've actually done. So in terms of Brandon Lee, 929 00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:14,840 his first fight for this new contract is supposed to be on the undercard July 930 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,800 twenty seventh at the O two in London. That's the main event. Fight 931 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:22,039 is going to be Joe Joyce against Derek Chasaura now Top Rank. Top Rank 932 00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:25,639 just announced this week that and this was not a surprise I wrote about it's 933 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:30,840 totally not a secret, but they finally made it official that ESPN Plus has 934 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:36,320 the rights in America to stream Joyce against Chesaura. When they put that announcement, 935 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,719 they listed a couple of streaming fights from the undercard that we part of 936 00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:43,079 the same broadcast. Brandon Least fight was not part of that. My hope 937 00:57:43,159 --> 00:57:45,239 is that once he has an opponent, that that will be part of that 938 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:50,719 broadcast, so we here in America can see this. Excellent, makes sense. 939 00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,679 You're making too much sense again, You're making too much sense. Again. 940 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,519 We'll see if they do that and then we go away. No no 941 00:57:55,639 --> 00:58:00,199 official date yet first fight with them, but yet what you would think about 942 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,880 I think you think it would be soon. Right, he's only had one 943 00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,320 pro fight, you would think it would be soon. I think his debut 944 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,159 for them is going to probably take place in Toddi Arabia. We'll see interesting. 945 00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:14,960 And the nugget about Brandon Lee, by the way, he is the 946 00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:20,760 answer to the trivia question of who fought the last fight before the shutdown in 947 00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:25,239 the COVID nineteen Craziness of twenty twenty. Brandon Lee was in the showbox main 948 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:30,280 event because we actually talked to Barry Tompkins about calling the fight, and as 949 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,639 bizarre as it was, and we talked to Brandon Lee. No crowd, 950 00:58:32,719 --> 00:58:37,280 right, no crowd note with no crowd because they didn't let anybody in the 951 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,280 casino. There was great debate about whether the fight was going to happen or 952 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:44,960 not on that Friday night. Everything had basically shut down Thursday afternoon Thursday night, 953 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:50,280 and because the Tribal Commission in Hinckley, Minnesota was involved that they wanted 954 00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,440 everybody to still get paid et cetera, et cetera, showtime to pay them. 955 00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:58,280 Blah blah blah. They went through and that was the final really sporting 956 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:02,400 event in all of in all of the United States for weeks was a Brandon 957 00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:07,360 Lee Showbox main event. And he won that night. Because you love all 958 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,840 of this when I give you the minutia and the details. He beat someone 959 00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:15,960 named Camillo Prieto that night by third round knockout in Hinckley, Minnesota on March 960 00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:20,519 the thirteenth of twenty twenty. So interesting for Brandon Lee that he's now with 961 00:59:20,639 --> 00:59:23,239 Queensberry and fighting on that card coming up later this month. And one more 962 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,679 item, real quick, and that involves a WBA again in Zerto Ramirez, 963 00:59:27,719 --> 00:59:30,239 their cruiserweight champion. What's the latest news there before we get to the nostalgia 964 00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:34,760 real quick, Well, Golden Boy has been working to put together at zerdo 965 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,039 Ramirez fight for later this summer, and now it appears as though we know 966 00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:39,800 who the opponent's going to be unless something strange happens and they get some kind 967 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,760 of exception, which I guess as possible. But an event, the WDA 968 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,679 ordered his mandatory against you know, Joni old Dordkos, who is a massive 969 00:59:46,719 --> 00:59:51,360 puncher, former champion who hadn't fought for quite a while, but he came 970 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,960 back for the first time in like eighteen months. He boxed on the undercard 971 00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:59,960 from a few weeks ago when Adrian Broner fought Blair Cobbs in the main event. 972 01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:01,519 He scored a first round not out on the undercard. So anyway, 973 01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:06,519 he is the mandatory and they've given them, you know, a month or 974 01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:08,519 so to make a deal or they'll call a purse bid. And if you 975 01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:12,840 ask me, given what's available in the cruiserweight division. If you were saying 976 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,239 to yourself, ok a Wolken zero fight, like, that's actually an interesting 977 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,840 fight because one thing about Dorricos, who was a top notch amateur out of 978 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:22,599 Cuba, and like I said, he's a former former held the former held 979 01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:25,480 the WBA title for a bit outstanding puncher. Like his nickname is one of 980 01:00:25,519 --> 01:00:29,039 the greatest nicknames in the history of boxing, the Ko Doctor. I love 981 01:00:29,079 --> 01:00:32,280 that, you know. And his loss you know, his losses are not 982 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,639 the type of terrible loss. I mean he lost in the tournament back when 983 01:00:36,639 --> 01:00:38,840 they were doing the super was it the World Box was it? What was 984 01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,800 that called the World Boxing Super Series? Well, no, no, World 985 01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,760 Boxing Classic Classic? Okay, World Boxing Classic. In one of the most 986 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:51,400 spectacular fight of the year candidates that there was of recent years. This is 987 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:55,960 back in twenty eighteen, sensational fight got stopped in the twelfth round of a 988 01:00:57,079 --> 01:01:01,400 unification fight by Marat Gassie to unify the in that tournament, spectacular fight. 989 01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,320 He took it on the wrong end unfortunately for him, in the twelve round. 990 01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:08,800 And then his only other loss was a majority decision to Myers Bradus, 991 01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:13,920 who you know became the number one cruiserweight in the world. But Dordikos is 992 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,960 no joke, and Zerdo is coming off of having won the belt earlier this 993 01:01:17,079 --> 01:01:21,679 year in March, when he won a decision over at Arson and Gilmary and 994 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:27,480 so as cruiserweight mandatories go, I'd be interested to see Zerdo against dorda Coos, 995 01:01:27,519 --> 01:01:30,280 even though it wasn't a mandatory. So we'll see if they can put 996 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,199 that together, or maybe we'll go to Persh but I suspect they'll make a 997 01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:39,199 deal and we'll see an interesting matchup, all right. Nostalgia time earlier this 998 01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:45,559 week actually thirteen years ago, Tuesday, July second, Uh, the Vladimir 999 01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:52,760 Klitschko, as it says on my Rundown totally schools David Hay in their long 1000 01:01:52,039 --> 01:01:55,599 awighted heavyweight titled Unification. Now you know why I wrote that the way I 1001 01:01:55,679 --> 01:02:00,039 wrote that, I don't know how much spelled and you spelled it out totally. 1002 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:04,360 All right, So down on this because I don't know what that refers 1003 01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,400 to about this the stamage that we are going back thirteen years ago. Well, 1004 01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:10,280 the reason why because if you normally would spell the word totally, it's 1005 01:02:10,599 --> 01:02:19,159 ot okay. This was the fight where David Hay lost lopsidedly to Vladimir Klitchkow 1006 01:02:19,199 --> 01:02:22,320 and then blamed this loss in this Unification fight on his bum pinky toe. 1007 01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:27,280 It was the toe fight. He stood in the ring with Larry Merchant on 1008 01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,400 HBO and took his sock and shoe off to show you like his little pink 1009 01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:36,480 in like bruised toe and blame losing the heavyweight Champions of Unification and and I 1010 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,800 blew, I like went crazy about that for a long time, you know, 1011 01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,079 and David Hey and I have actually joked around about it in the recent 1012 01:02:43,079 --> 01:02:45,840 past, even though for a while we were like, you know, cause 1013 01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:50,440 frenemies, I guess. But here's the point. Pinky excuse didn't fly with 1014 01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:53,679 rayphel Is what you're saying for anybody for that matter, was embarrassing. David 1015 01:02:53,719 --> 01:02:59,280 Hay talked so much about the clitch Goos, both Vladimir and Vitally for years, 1016 01:02:59,719 --> 01:03:02,320 and then he actually was supposed to do a fight against Vitally and behind 1017 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:08,119 his back he went and made a fight against Nikolai Veluev and ended up winning 1018 01:03:08,159 --> 01:03:12,239 the WBA title. And then he had made a fight with Vladimir and pulled 1019 01:03:12,239 --> 01:03:15,119 out of the fight with a back injury that everybody thought was totally fake, 1020 01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:19,440 and they finally, finally, finally fought on the fight that we're talking about 1021 01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:24,920 July second, twenty eleven in Torrential rain in Germany in a sixty tho. 1022 01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:30,280 They got about sixty thousand people close to sixty thousand at this stadium where everybody's 1023 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,159 getting soaking wet. I remember when David walked to the ring, they had 1024 01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:37,079 like little plastic booties on his boxing shoes so they wouldn't get all wet on 1025 01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:38,719 the way to the ring. But it was impossible. This was in Hamburg, 1026 01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:44,320 Germany. It was a freaking like a monsoon. But more notably, 1027 01:03:44,719 --> 01:03:47,519 Vladimir Klitchko, after all the shit talk that David A did as much as 1028 01:03:47,559 --> 01:03:52,719 anybody's ever bullshed, never shit talk anybody leading into a fight, Klitchkow absolutely 1029 01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:58,440 schooled him. Did everything other than get a knockout. David A held, 1030 01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,760 he ran, he grabbed, he literally purposely flopped on the canvas trying to 1031 01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,480 get point deductions. And finally later in the fight when he did it again 1032 01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:09,800 off of like a half punch of Clitchkow, the referee was so discussed and 1033 01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,760 said fuck that. He called it a knockdown and gave him account. And 1034 01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,920 so in the end, Vladimir wins like you know, ten to two, 1035 01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:18,920 you know, nine to three, whatever, just complete route, unified three 1036 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:24,840 of the titles and you know, if you look back now, because David 1037 01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,159 Hey had a good career other than that, he was a legit cruiserweight champion 1038 01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,920 and had some okay wins and heavyweight, but this was one of the bigger 1039 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,280 fights that Clinch had in terms of the hype in the build up, you 1040 01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,760 know, huge. I mean if you go look if you can google it. 1041 01:04:38,159 --> 01:04:42,079 The numbers that they did in terms of viewership in Germany was like over 1042 01:04:42,199 --> 01:04:45,360 ten million people in Germany. Think about that. That's not that big of 1043 01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,000 a country. Huge. He was a big deal fighting there all the time. 1044 01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:50,280 It was like his home away from home, right right, if I'm 1045 01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:55,559 not mistaken. Exceeded well over one million pay per view buys in the UK, 1046 01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,920 where David was a very popular figure. Huge numbers and as an afternoon 1047 01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:03,639 like late afternoon fight in the United States on July fourth weekend did a really 1048 01:05:03,719 --> 01:05:09,480 strong ratings for HBO, who televised the fight live, you know, in 1049 01:05:09,519 --> 01:05:13,519 the afternoon from Germany. This was a big, big heavyweight fight at the 1050 01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:15,880 time. You just won it. You just wanted out there that you've heard 1051 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,519 all kinds of crazy excuses. This was the all my aching toe excuse of 1052 01:05:20,599 --> 01:05:24,840 all excuses. That's one thing. I mean, I'm not debating that he 1053 01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,679 did have a toe injury, but to blame the loss because you had a 1054 01:05:27,719 --> 01:05:31,800 bum toe, give me a fucking break. Wilder blamed it the loss to 1055 01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,880 Tyson Fury on my costume was too heavy and it zapped me and zapped my 1056 01:05:36,039 --> 01:05:40,079 legs. So we've heard, We've heard all kinds of excuses, all right, 1057 01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,639 Rayfhael wants to confirm that the next two pieces of nostalgia he was not 1058 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,440 ringside for, but they involved the heavyweight title, and they were both a 1059 01:05:46,519 --> 01:05:48,920 long time ago, and they're both compelling. But let's get to both real 1060 01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:54,400 quick. It was one hundred and five years ago on July the fourth, 1061 01:05:54,519 --> 01:05:57,800 Yes, July fourth, used to not just be for baseball and hot dog 1062 01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:02,239 eating contests. It was also a big time boxing opportunity back in the late 1063 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:09,840 nineteen you know, teens, nineteen ten, nineteen teens. Jack Dempsey stops 1064 01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,760 Jess Willard one hundred and five years ago on July fourth, nineteen nineteen, 1065 01:06:14,159 --> 01:06:15,800 and I still remember writing about this fight on Big Fight Weekend dot com. 1066 01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:20,920 I've relived it watched on ESPN Classic. Seven knockdowns in the first round, 1067 01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:25,480 so obviously no three knockdown rule in those days. And those days you could 1068 01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:29,639 hover right over the opponent and as soon as he gets up with the referee 1069 01:06:29,639 --> 01:06:31,559 could hit him again. He's maybe there was nobody up yet, did he 1070 01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,599 was? No pop him again? There were that would exactly so it is 1071 01:06:34,719 --> 01:06:38,199 it's slightly different than what you would see today. There were, First of 1072 01:06:38,239 --> 01:06:41,880 all, in visually no circumstance. Would there ever be a fight where a 1073 01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,960 guy would get knocked down seven times in the referee not stop to fight right 1074 01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,719 like you said, the rules were amended because back then there was no sending 1075 01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,960 the guy to the neutral corner where the audio the wipe the gloves off again. 1076 01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:54,480 The account in New York walk to the side, walk to design. 1077 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,760 How you feel? You know what's up, baby, you know right right 1078 01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,679 right? And in this case the manassa mauler. Dempsey was the smaller guy, 1079 01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,559 much smaller guy. Jess Willard was the size of an oak tree. 1080 01:07:04,039 --> 01:07:09,519 And here is the manassa Maler just butchering the oak tree, and yet the 1081 01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:13,920 fight. So they thought the fight was stopped right in the in the chronology 1082 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,679 of what happened, and they thought, okay, well, wait a minute, 1083 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,880 Dempsey's the winner. He's celebrating. He leaves the ring in the waitment, 1084 01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,679 the referees going no, I never stopped this fight, and Dempsey's out 1085 01:07:21,679 --> 01:07:27,159 of the ring celebrating with his guys. They're like, get back in the 1086 01:07:27,239 --> 01:07:30,039 ring. The fights back on. Even though you've knocked him down seven times, 1087 01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:31,719 you gotta knock him down some more. Right, It finally stopped. 1088 01:07:31,719 --> 01:07:35,039 It was stopped in the corner after round three. But the thing about it 1089 01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:38,679 is, and this first of all, boxing history is so much fun to 1090 01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,679 go back and read about these fights, or watch the clips or different things 1091 01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,039 you can find on YouTuber documentaries and things you know, we talked about all 1092 01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:48,760 the time, like boxing was not created last year, Like these are fucking 1093 01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:54,440 hilariously interesting, so many nuggets and just great history. First of all, 1094 01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,440 one thing you should know about Jack Dempsey during his time, this is when 1095 01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:00,639 he won the heavyweight title, but he became in the ninth teen twenties. 1096 01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:04,159 He was the biggest superstar athlete in the entire country, rather than probably Babe 1097 01:08:04,239 --> 01:08:06,840 Ruth. I mean, that's the level he was on. It was Babe 1098 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:13,280 Ruth, Jack Dempsey and everybody else because his part is to believe no pro 1099 01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,319 football. Really, it was just starting to come in in the twenties and 1100 01:08:15,359 --> 01:08:19,439 the thirties. Chicago Bears, baseball, box the baseball and boxing were the 1101 01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:24,359 two biggest mainstream things to go and be involved in, and I'm a Nasa 1102 01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,760 Maller was something else. A few things about this though, So Willard Jess 1103 01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,159 Willard was obviously a much bigger man than Jack Dempsey. He was. I 1104 01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:32,159 actually looked this up because I knew we were going to talk about this. 1105 01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,680 He was the favorite in the fight, which I don't think I ever realized 1106 01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:39,920 until today. He was slightly favored to win. The fight got dropped, 1107 01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:43,439 as you mentioned, seven times in round one. But different than today because 1108 01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:45,680 like you said, there was no neutral corner to go to. You could 1109 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,119 just stand over and just you know, as soon as he tried to get 1110 01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:51,039 up beat the shit out of him. Here's anar thing that's amazing that this 1111 01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:56,600 in normal boxing today, if you're in a heavyweight fight or any fight where 1112 01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,960 you're over one hundred and forty seven pounds, you're wearing ten flocks. And 1113 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,880 the fighters that fight in the in the below one hundred and forty seven pounds 1114 01:09:03,039 --> 01:09:08,319 are wearing eight ounce gloves. They wore five ounce gloves. Wow, that's 1115 01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:13,960 basically like wearing MMA gloves, right, So that's another big difference. Now, 1116 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,199 obviously that changed over the years, because we're talking about a fight that 1117 01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:18,920 took place over a hundred years ago, So that was a that was I 1118 01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:23,239 mean, seven knockdowns. You can envision if you can hover over the guy 1119 01:09:23,239 --> 01:09:26,920 and you're wearing gloves that are literally half the weight of the glove that you 1120 01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,319 would wear today. If you were in a heavyweight title fight, that would 1121 01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:30,920 also probably be a big part of that. But there's a couple are things 1122 01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,880 that are just hilarious nuggets. I want to just give you here. One 1123 01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:39,199 they did this fight outdoors one hundred and ten degrees blazing fucking hot, right 1124 01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:42,760 right, blazing hot. I mean that's that was going off the top of 1125 01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,479 my head. Was in Ohio? Was it not Toledo, Ohio? Do 1126 01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,600 you remember back a couple of fights ago. I have to get a free 1127 01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:53,760 I have to get a free shot in here for all the enthusiasts about it's 1128 01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:58,000 never been this hot before ever, say again, it was one hundred and 1129 01:09:58,199 --> 01:10:02,680 what ten? It was one hundred and ten degrees on July fourth, nineteen 1130 01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,520 nineteen when they fought this fight outside in the daytime, not at night when 1131 01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:10,399 it was cooler because you didn't have stadium lights. And they I mean, 1132 01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:14,319 but again, one hundred and ten degree. Do you remember listen back a 1133 01:10:14,399 --> 01:10:17,279 few fights ago when they brought Jared when Top Rank did a Jared Anderson fight 1134 01:10:17,359 --> 01:10:21,720 in Toledo, which is his hometown. They had the bell that they had 1135 01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:26,279 their like the artifact there that was from this fight where they rang for that 1136 01:10:26,319 --> 01:10:30,399 particular fight. Now here's this is maybe the greatest nugget in the history of 1137 01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,319 boxing nuggets. I obviously just adore this nugget because it just shows you how 1138 01:10:33,359 --> 01:10:36,680 fucking fucked up boxing was one hundred and ten years ago, one hundred and 1139 01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:40,039 five years ago, how fucked up I was fifty years ago, and what 1140 01:10:40,119 --> 01:10:43,399 it is today now This is actually something that would never happen today. That 1141 01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:48,159 shows you that whatever still chaos happens in boxing, it's not actually as fucked 1142 01:10:48,199 --> 01:10:51,720 up as he used to be hex Rickard, who was a Hall of Fame 1143 01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:56,600 promoter who, if my memory serves, was actually featured on the cover of 1144 01:10:56,680 --> 01:11:00,399 the very first ring magazine you know, a gazillion years ago. One of 1145 01:11:00,399 --> 01:11:02,439 the most famous promoters in the history of boxing. He was a promoter for 1146 01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,960 this fight between Dempsey and Willard. And so not only was he the promoter 1147 01:11:06,039 --> 01:11:10,920 of the fight TJ, he was one of the judges. How about that, 1148 01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,279 ah, the appearance of impropriety. Who do I want to win the 1149 01:11:16,399 --> 01:11:24,720 now? Just imagine we're doing a Saturday's fight between Chakhor Stevenson and ardam Hardtunian 1150 01:11:25,239 --> 01:11:29,760 and Bob Arim is one of the judges as well as the promoter, right 1151 01:11:30,079 --> 01:11:32,319 as well as being the product exactly, So that that's hilarious. But that 1152 01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:36,279 was that was what started Dempsey on his way to becoming as big of a 1153 01:11:36,359 --> 01:11:42,960 superstar as could exist back in the nineteen twenties, and he was a megastar 1154 01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:45,399 and by by beating the living shit out of just Willard, because he didn't 1155 01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:49,159 just drop him the seven times he beat him down, He caught him and 1156 01:11:49,319 --> 01:11:53,520 just until they finally stopped it after the third round. So that was a 1157 01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,520 big deal. He became the heavyweight chamber of the world. All right, 1158 01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:59,560 big nostalgia there. I won more real quick And we go back nine years 1159 01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:03,239 previous to that. Also on July fourth, one hundred and fourteen years ago, 1160 01:12:03,399 --> 01:12:10,680 now, Jack Johnson scored a TKO in the fifteenth round over Jim Jeffries, 1161 01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:13,960 who had been known as the Great White Hope. This, this fight 1162 01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:16,199 was also built the fight of the century. We had like seventeen different fights 1163 01:12:16,199 --> 01:12:19,319 of the century. I think, no, Willard, Willard was not build 1164 01:12:19,359 --> 01:12:21,840 this fight of the century. Well no, I'm just saying, but we 1165 01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:26,279 had all of these. But you're saying that the Jeffries Jack Johnson was fight 1166 01:12:26,319 --> 01:12:28,279 of the century. We had all these fights of the century later on, 1167 01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,199 over and over again, we kept saying, oh, the fight of the 1168 01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:31,640 century, the fight of the century. It always seemed to get used, 1169 01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:35,239 but it was being used in nineteen ten for Jack Johnson and Jim Jeffrey. 1170 01:12:35,239 --> 01:12:39,600 And you got more nuggets in and around this as well. And by the 1171 01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:43,720 way, in this timeframe, am I not mistaken? There was no limit 1172 01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,359 on how many rounds they were fighting. Jack and Jim Jefferies. I thought, 1173 01:12:47,399 --> 01:12:50,720 in this one, are you gonna tre okay, go ahead, hej 1174 01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,479 do you am? I sure? What kind of fucking question is I don't 1175 01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:57,319 know. I don't know if you are sure or not? Go ahead, 1176 01:12:57,359 --> 01:13:00,439 I'm going to the tros. So you tell me, you just to the 1177 01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,000 audience that he knocked out Jeffries in the fifteenth round, which you know, 1178 01:13:03,119 --> 01:13:06,199 in most people's minds, even those who were younger, know that there were 1179 01:13:06,199 --> 01:13:10,279 fifteen round fights and maybe stopped in the last round. Obviously, today would 1180 01:13:10,279 --> 01:13:14,680 be the twelfth round. This was round fifteen of a scheduled forty five rounder. 1181 01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:19,880 Scheduled forty five rounder because because keep in mind, I do know this, 1182 01:13:20,199 --> 01:13:24,920 they used to have fights that could go on, yes, So then 1183 01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,680 they had to come up arbitrarily with you know, what would be a good 1184 01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,760 arrange to stop a fight after we've seen enough, Let's go with forty five 1185 01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:39,039 rounds? I know, fifteen twenty, let's go with forty five three minute 1186 01:13:39,119 --> 01:13:42,840 rounds. I fancy myself as as a bit of a boxing historian, as 1187 01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:46,239 you know, I don't think that's buddy this for decades. I actually don't 1188 01:13:46,279 --> 01:13:49,880 know the reason or the way in which they determined that it should be forty 1189 01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:53,800 five, Like why wasn't it fifty? Why was it a forty? Why 1190 01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,560 was it thirty? I mean, why wasn't it twenty five? Yeah? 1191 01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,479 And I have to be honest with you, as much of a boxing fan 1192 01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:00,520 as I am, only thing I would want to sit through a forty five 1193 01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:05,000 round fight. No, you know that they would, they would have some 1194 01:14:05,159 --> 01:14:09,439 that would go into the twenties. I'm not talking about the decade. There 1195 01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:13,800 was a thirty rounds, So they arbitrarily came up. This was a scheduled 1196 01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,199 forty five round fight. The maximum it's gonna be is forty five because but 1197 01:14:17,319 --> 01:14:20,760 the reason why this is I think about the math forty five three minute rounds. 1198 01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:25,079 We're gonna be there for three hours, almost two and a half las. 1199 01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:30,199 Yeah, So this is as as notable as the Dempsey Willard fight was. 1200 01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:32,359 Because the great Jack Dempsey became heavyweight champion, went on to become, 1201 01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:38,279 you know, a massive, massive, massive, mainstream megastar. This was, 1202 01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,600 as you mentioned, dubbed before you know, going to this fight, 1203 01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,800 Jefferies was dubbed the Great White Hope. Why because Jack Johnson had become the 1204 01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:49,520 first black heavyweight champion and the white establishment was looking for a new white heavyweight 1205 01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:53,439 champion. They wanted to beat the black man. They tried to who who 1206 01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,199 they had who is going to do it. So now keep in mind, 1207 01:14:56,279 --> 01:15:00,319 Jefferies is undefeated, he's been retired for six years, hasn't fought. They 1208 01:15:00,399 --> 01:15:04,760 basically draft him to be the great White Hope. I don't know if he 1209 01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:09,159 necessarily embraced that element of it, but he was getting a lot of money 1210 01:15:09,159 --> 01:15:12,079 in a chance to fight for the title again. So he comes out of 1211 01:15:12,079 --> 01:15:15,600 the six year retirement. He was actually off the six year retirement against a 1212 01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,960 reigning heavyweight champion. He was a slight favorite, but that's because all of 1213 01:15:19,039 --> 01:15:23,079 the folks that were betting, who are most likely white people, were betting. 1214 01:15:23,279 --> 01:15:25,199 They wanted their guy to win, so they were probably betting more with 1215 01:15:25,279 --> 01:15:28,800 their heart than with their head. But they made this a huge fight. 1216 01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,319 They did call it the fight of the century. It did ignite race wars 1217 01:15:31,359 --> 01:15:34,920 in the United States. Unfortunately, it was the first time that they ever 1218 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:40,560 built a arena, like you know, we've seen events where they just build, 1219 01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,119 like take the old Caesars Palace out there, arena that was so famous 1220 01:15:43,359 --> 01:15:45,319 in the nineteen eighties. They would put it up and they would use it 1221 01:15:45,359 --> 01:15:47,079 for the fight and they would tear it down. And they've done that plenty 1222 01:15:47,079 --> 01:15:49,439 of times. They did it in Saudi Arabia, for example, when Andy 1223 01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:55,119 Ruiz and Anthony Joshua had the rematch, they built this stadium outdoors in uh 1224 01:15:55,159 --> 01:15:58,119 Diria right outside of read for the one use only and then they tore it 1225 01:15:58,199 --> 01:16:00,319 down. This was the first time that ever happen. And this is in 1226 01:16:00,399 --> 01:16:02,920 Reno, Nevada in nineteen ten. They built this is a one time only 1227 01:16:03,359 --> 01:16:08,960 stadium to do the fight. So that tells you what a big deal it 1228 01:16:09,079 --> 01:16:13,920 was from that standpoint, and they fought this heavyweight championship fight. Now, 1229 01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:18,159 a couple are things about this besides the one use only for this arena and 1230 01:16:18,399 --> 01:16:20,960 this I remember I told you the nugget about the other fight where tex Ricord 1231 01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:25,119 was one of the judges as long as as well as being the promoter. 1232 01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:29,600 Well, once you know the text Ricord again, he was the ubiquitous promoter 1233 01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:31,319 of the time for the biggest fights. He was also the promoter of this 1234 01:16:31,399 --> 01:16:35,399 fight between I think this nugget's better than they hey, the promoter to judge 1235 01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:41,479 lay it on them. They text Ricord and I don't think this was just 1236 01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,520 a publicity stunt, because this type of shit was not like completely out of 1237 01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,520 the realm of possibility back in these days one hundred plus years ago. He 1238 01:16:48,039 --> 01:16:51,800 wanted the President of the United States was William Howard Taff, to be the 1239 01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:57,199 referee for the fight, and the White House and say that again, say 1240 01:16:57,239 --> 01:17:00,880 that you just flew by that. Say that again. Ricker, the promoter 1241 01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:05,359 of the fight, invited William Howard Taft, who was the United States President, 1242 01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:10,560 to be the referee for the fight, and Taft or Taft's office or 1243 01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:14,880 the White House declined. But that still shows you how big of a deal 1244 01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,920 this was that they would do that. And my impression from reading about that 1245 01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:21,439 that was not like a publicity stunt necessarily. I mean, sure it probably 1246 01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:25,920 helped get some publicity, but they would have accepted and been happy to have 1247 01:17:26,359 --> 01:17:29,880 the President of the United States serve as the referee in the fight. And 1248 01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:32,920 that to me is like an amazing thing. So in the end, you 1249 01:17:33,039 --> 01:17:38,840 have Jack Johnson, the underdog against a great white hope with all the you 1250 01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:42,880 know, many white people hoping that Jack would lose, goes in there against 1251 01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,840 this older fighter that was not what he once was, and knocked him out 1252 01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,680 in the fifteenth round of their scheduled forty five rounder, and it turned out 1253 01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,640 that it was the only loss of Jim Jeffery's career because it was his final 1254 01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:57,600 fight. He never fought again. That's that's that's your early nineteen hundreds fight 1255 01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:01,239 of the century. A factoid. What a nugget could you? Could you 1256 01:18:01,359 --> 01:18:04,199 imagine like a fight, a heavyweight title fight in the nineteen fifties, and 1257 01:18:04,279 --> 01:18:08,560 ladies and gentlemen, the third man in the ring is President Dwight D. 1258 01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:14,119 Eisenhower. You know, let's ask this for let's fast forward to the seventies, 1259 01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:17,319 al Le Fraser one to be refereed by tricky Dick Nixon, the United 1260 01:18:17,319 --> 01:18:21,199 States President Richard Nixon. I can't, so I'll say one our thing about 1261 01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:27,680 that. So so Jack Johnson retains the heavyweight title on July fourth, nineteen 1262 01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,840 ten. Now we and I talk about activity. We want our fighters to 1263 01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,920 be active and titles to be active. And things happened well. Jack Johnson 1264 01:18:34,399 --> 01:18:39,199 fought this fight against Jefferies and then did not fight again in defense. He 1265 01:18:39,239 --> 01:18:44,000 didn't fight even a non title fight. His next title defense was two years 1266 01:18:44,079 --> 01:18:46,279 later, on the same day, July fourth, where he knocked out in 1267 01:18:46,319 --> 01:18:53,159 the ninth round of a scheduled forty five rounder fireman Jim Flynn. So Lynn 1268 01:18:53,359 --> 01:18:57,000 between defenses now, and just want to think if if you want to know 1269 01:18:57,159 --> 01:19:00,359 more about this shit, this this fight in particular, because they spend a 1270 01:19:00,399 --> 01:19:01,680 lot of time on it, and I always do this on July fourth, 1271 01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,600 I make it a point at least watch some of it. The absolutely phenomenal 1272 01:19:05,039 --> 01:19:12,199 documentary that was on PBS about Jack Johnson. That was that that came out 1273 01:19:12,399 --> 01:19:15,000 a number of years ago. That was who was the filmmaker ken Burns ken 1274 01:19:15,079 --> 01:19:20,600 Burnson tremendous documentaries on baseball and on the Vietnam War, Civil recent Civil War. 1275 01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:24,720 Muhammad Ali he just recently did, not too long ago, he did. 1276 01:19:25,399 --> 01:19:29,800 I think it's a four hour documentary altogether, absolutely phenomenal about Jack Johnson. 1277 01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,520 I watch it on a regular basis. It's on YouTube. But they 1278 01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,800 spend a lot of time on the Jefferys fight, which is absolutely fascinating. 1279 01:19:35,079 --> 01:19:41,359 All right, And again, boxing was such a big deal in that twenty 1280 01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:44,880 five round forty five Okay, I did look it up while you were talking. 1281 01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,119 You don't know this, but the longest fight ever recorded Guinness Book of 1282 01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:54,159 World Records has it down. Is a professional boxing match held in April of 1283 01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:58,560 eighteen ninety three. Ray Field was not ringside in New Orleans, Louisiana, 1284 01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:03,880 for Andy Bowen and for Jack Burke. You ready, they fought a hundred 1285 01:20:04,079 --> 01:20:11,119 and ten rounds, yes, sir, seven hours and twenty minutes of actual 1286 01:20:11,319 --> 01:20:15,279 time from the first bell and we didn't even get a winner. At the 1287 01:20:15,359 --> 01:20:20,560 end of one hundred and ten rounds one hundred and ten rounds, they declared 1288 01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:26,000 the fight a no contest, later changed to a draw. I read this 1289 01:20:26,199 --> 01:20:30,600 fight at one hundred and ten rounds. How were either one of them still 1290 01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,640 standing and holding their arms up after it was seventieth rounds? I mean, 1291 01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:38,479 they weren't. They weren't throwing a zillion punches, So I understand. Honestly, 1292 01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:40,439 it's the kind of fight, no, don't. I've never saw it 1293 01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:44,359 gets on video or anything because it's from eighteen ninety three. But things I've 1294 01:20:44,399 --> 01:20:47,319 read about this fight were there was long stretches where they weren't really being active. 1295 01:20:47,319 --> 01:20:50,840 And the funny thing are read anecdotes about talking about people that were there 1296 01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:57,279 falling asleep in their chair and like being asleep during the last seven seven hours. 1297 01:20:58,359 --> 01:21:00,560 Yeah, we don't need forty five round fights, you know, or 1298 01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,399 or rounds or fights like this the last for one hundred scheduled for forty five 1299 01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:08,800 for Jack Johnson. What like this. You could get on your airplane at 1300 01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:12,960 Ellis Airport near my house in Washington, DC. You could fly to London 1301 01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:15,600 and land around the same time the fight would be ending if it started when 1302 01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:19,960 your flight took off on that seven hours. All right, we have not 1303 01:21:20,039 --> 01:21:23,520 been here for seven hours. We've been here long enough. We got a 1304 01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,960 bet Us Boxing show coming, as we've released this podcast off July fourth. 1305 01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:31,000 That's coming one Eastern time on Friday for the breakdown of Shakur Stevenson's main event 1306 01:21:31,079 --> 01:21:36,079 for Top Rank and ESPN and this title defense with Hartitunian will handicap. That 1307 01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:43,760 will also handicap the Daniel Jacobs Shane Moseley Junior battle on the co feature of 1308 01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:48,680 a Diaz Masvadal in Anaheim, California, as well as the Japanese showdown with 1309 01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:56,079 kaz Ioka and Fernando Martinez that will be battling as well. So that's in 1310 01:21:56,199 --> 01:21:59,199 Japan on Sunday morning. Check us out one Eastern time. On that. 1311 01:22:00,239 --> 01:22:03,479 With that, let's go back to the rest of gorging ourselves on July fourth 1312 01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:06,680 and even into July fifth with the leftover hot dogs, hamburgers, corn on 1313 01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:10,840 the cob, anything else that I might have missed. I will catch you 1314 01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:14,800 Dan Rayphael on the bet Us Show and whatever happens, we'll be back with 1315 01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:18,800 a Fight Freaks Unit recap podcast off the weekend to recap what is a bevy, 1316 01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:25,760 including the heavyweight showdown from Matchroom on Saturday in London with Fisher and Babbage. 1317 01:22:26,119 --> 01:22:28,520 We'll recap all of it off the weekend on the Fight Breaks You night 1318 01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,000 recap. Sound good? That's good? All right? Everybody happy for the 1319 01:22:31,079 --> 01:22:33,840 July be safety save for those of you that are on the roadways traveling as 1320 01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:39,920 well, very dangerous weekend of travel. Don't drink and drive, etc. 1321 01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:44,319 Etc. Don't do the amateur fireworks things, you lame os, you idiots, 1322 01:22:45,319 --> 01:22:47,239 and get yourself injured. I say that as a parting shot to the 1323 01:22:47,279 --> 01:22:51,159 peeps into the Savages for Big Dan Rayfhael. I'm merely TJ Reeves. You've 1324 01:22:51,159 --> 01:22:56,479 been listening to the Big Fight weekend preview headed into the weekend. Bye for now,