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and this is Paranormal Dimensions with David. Let me know when you've got

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the figures I can get. Hello,

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Welcome to the show. I'm David
Young. Now, as you're listening to

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this, I've just returned from the
United States, but not really because I

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actually recorded this before I went,
so you won't get any reports from me

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about my visits to the States until
the next show. I hope you can

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wait anyway. For this show,
I'll be talking to Mark Anderson, and

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Mark will be talking about artificial intelligence
and its connection to aliens and the search

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for alien life. So we'll get
right into that. Then I'd like to

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introduce Mark Anderson. Mark, Welcome
to the show. Hi David, thanks

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for having me. It's a pleasure
to welcome me to Paranormal Dimensions. I

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must have I must publicly apologize to
you because we tried to get this show

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off the ground a couple of weeks
ago, but I think we have to

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change for one reason. And now
I got I came down with look,

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hold and everything. So thank you
for finding us home to do this one.

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As I'm just saying, oh fair, I'm getting a going to the

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gym tonight. So it's it's a
welcome distraction, So thank you for having

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me. That's all right. So
as long as it works good for both

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both directions, that's good. Yeah, now we've got interested. We've got

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an interesting couple of subjects here,
artificially intelligence and aliens. Now, I'm

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sure that aliens in the future will
be using artificial intelligence. Is this where

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you're sort of coming from with this
theory? Not quite, that's not they're

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not quite. Well, I'm I'm
looking at I'm I'm sure that there are

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that there are alien using the I
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they've been following it for years,
and certainly i've heard of like robotic beings

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been been witnessed. I don't know
if the passive urbula, yes, I'm

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probably not saying that. Probably,
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robotic entities, but certainly I've read
in previous places that there has been sort

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of like robotic entities and sort of
like the nineteen fifties nineteen sixties Lost in

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of Will Robinson. So currently they
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and I certainly people like Terry Lovely, I think even Linda Moreton Howell.

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Again, I'll probably get the names
wrong. Topologies they have said things

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like the Grays seem to be almost
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intelligence, but yeah, but certainly
some sort of synthetic intelligence probably would be

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a better word for it. Yeah, I think is could will be artificially

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intelligence of some sort. And I
did seem to be a lot robotic.

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I mean I wasn't there obviously,
but you know that did. The descriptions

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of them, they're signed to be
robotic. Yes. To be honest,

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it's been a while since i've I've
looked to the case. Then where I'm

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coming from it, David is I
would like to see how we can use

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AI two essentially do two things.
First of all, use it as a

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method to collect data and secondly,
how to analyze data using AI. However,

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I would have to get a caveat
is AI can only be using very

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specific ways for data collection and certainly
for when it comes to analysis, and

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that's but there. I do feel
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avenues along with existing ways that we
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of technology as well. So it's
quite exciting and I feel there's a lot

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of new scope in this. Yeah. Would you say, do you feel

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that maybe the peals that might already
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there's a lot of things go on
we done now about I would almost certainly

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say yes. If you've ever read
skin Walkers, skin Walkers in the Pentagon

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as an ASAP and what what well
Bigelow his team one of the things that

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they were looking at our immune responses
in abductees or experiences or contact ease,

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and I think that that is phenomenally
clever. Another guy, Gary Nolan is

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certainly is quite open and using AI
to detect my scans and find and normally

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suspensial people who have been who've been
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which seems to be some form of
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where the eye works is that the
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machine learning, and a very quick
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an algorithm and then you train that. You train that algorithm to do a

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very specific purpose. So you can
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the way its train could be at
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completely different things. So imagine you've
got somebody who wants to be an athlete,

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and you get one person to be
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a weightlifter with changing bodies. See
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example, to start off with their
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different. And that's a quite a
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the problem with that, though,
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and when it comes to the data
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struggle with data quality. I like
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I know he's not a very popular
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that Nick Pope will say, who's
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are good for the mine all if
you know fancastic craftical are well. He

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said that ninety five percent of all
sightings are are not right, and other

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people say it's less or more or
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know the right number of side of
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don't know how poor or how good
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be number of reasons why the data
quality is wrong. It could be falsifications

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or even things like even a witness
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to time, like most people honestly
have got things wrong. Or and then

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there's also other people that maybe a
same thing like planets and things like that,

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all the usual things. So we
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how poor the dat quality is.
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this scenario, ninety percent of the
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if you look at a data scientists
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be using some form of AI to
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ninety five percent accurate, they will
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data to get it up to one
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data is not it's just not good
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the in the answer that they're getting. So we have massive put issues with

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data quality. And I suppose it's
it's a bit like putting rubbish head and

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getting rubbish out, isn't it a
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would be a normal conventional program.
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almost like training a training a young
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and then giving them nonsense as they
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and expect them to have a decent
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that is pretty much is what's happening
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question about are the government doing it, Yes, they will be doing it,

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but they will more likely be doing
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on the people and how they're how
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certainly they will be. They will
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analysis we use in other ways.
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that I would be on the people
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would give us the most quality of
most abundant form of data quality and where

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we can answer most questions from Yeah. Sure, well do you do you

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feel that the government, well,
the the UFOs, but they are obviously

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hiding thetance of UFOs in my mind? And do you agree with that?

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I? I don't know. I
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to but one thing I will just
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if you've been following any of the
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United States, with the Senate hearings. Yeah, some of it. I'll

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try to keep up with some of
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you know that's already came up with
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I had to just put my window
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we had to sign that. Mark
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One thing I found very interesting was
Sean Kapatrick, who did who was

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the director of Arrow. He did
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The new four AC are an organization
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data set it and a lot of
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people within the data community. They've
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would analyze the data. Some people
using the eye, other people using more

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conventional analysis techniques. But Sean Kirkpatrick
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they use predictive analytics too on a
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it was just it just didn't seem
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too, it was to find out
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could be like it could be obscuring
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very specific subset of the data,
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and using predictive analytics to come out
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they were setting the experiment up to
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it was almost like to say,
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of saying that they weren't wanted to
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found that very interesting. There was
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the way that could have conducted it. I wouldn't use predictive analytics on the

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on the Cagle data set, and
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of them are reading junior data analysts, very few of them are actually using

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predictive analytics. When they're using AI. They're using things like which called NLP,

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which is natural language processing, and
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or predict insects into the UFO phenomena. So it was almost like it

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was set to fail. That's the
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different sets, yeah, a lot, one for the public consumption and then

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doing another one for their own consumption. They could be certainly yeah, I

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don't really go down very much with
the government conspiracies, David, So,

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I don't really know. The one
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is very much dependent or any form
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if you're wanting to get insights now, you need quality data, you

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need a lot of it, and
they have vast amounts of different censors all

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around the world, so certainly they
have the data there, whether or not

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they've got the ability to capture and
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AI models. I really don't know. My suspicion is I think somebody somewhere

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is doing something, but I really
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David, No, it was a
very interesting subject that I must say

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when you sort of think about the
why I asked, say, yeah,

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the connection between official intelligence and adiens
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ideas will probably use artificial intelligence.
You much, that we will do very

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much in the future. Oh yeah, And to be honest, we use

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AI now. And the one thing
I'd probably say as well is you and

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me and the vast majority of your
listeners people listening to this show have been

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touched in THEI in some way without
even knowing it, and we've been relying

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upon AI in many different ways for
many years. The one thing I'd say

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is that AI is not just one
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It's a bast array of different types
of technologies. The Wikipedia, for example,

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and have the best description where it
says it's a broad sense of broad

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spectrum of technologies or something like that
or something to that effect, and that's

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exactly what AI is. It's a
it's a massive spectrum of different types of

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technologies and we have somehow intermingled with
AI in some way. And a columic

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example is if you're writing an email
to a friend and you go hello,

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and all of a sudden, your
friend's name appears on in predictive text.

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That's the form of a Even your
banks they will be there. There's different

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there's very that the biggest family is
machine learning, but underneath machine learning there's

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numerous other families like generative AI,
which is like chat, GDP, Dolly,

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Sora and all those sort of things. But there's also other types of

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technologies called unsupervised learning, and they're
really good for like a normally detection.

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So your banks will be using them
to see that there's nothing ontoward in your

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bank account, for example, so
as if it's any of their business,

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well, for most of it it
will be to protect protect your account.

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So if you say, for example, you may have purchased and costa and

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then five minutes later you somebody makes
a purchase in China, so it's not

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all there could be misuse of it, and certainly it wouldn't be surprised.

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However, for the most part it
is actually to protect us and and for

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our benefit. But yeah, he
I can and is used in all sorts

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of ethical and non ethical manners.
Yeah, and also I think for the

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best to protect themselves because if something
comes up as a fro, they usually

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have to play it anyway, don't
I So, so they're protecting themselves in

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the end. Oh yeah, they'll
they'll be protect themselves. This has no

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doubt about that, David, Okay, I mean as far as idiens and

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UFOs. Girl, have you ever
seen UFOs yourself? Yeah, so that's

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how I got into it. I
live in a in a city called Dundee.

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So Dundee is that there's four major
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fourth and smallest of major cities.
Very pretty as I understand that, I've

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never been there. I've been in
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nineties, it was getting a bit
run down. However, nowadays it's it's

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looking phenomenal. It's and it's a
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anymore. I live in Livingston,
very close, very close to the dick

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Wood dickmand Woods incident. Yeah,
Malcolm Robinson, Malcolm Robinson, I honestly

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could walk my dog up there.
We'll have a little talk about the incident.

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The say much enough about that one. Yeah, yeah, I know

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quite well. But yeah, going
back to my experiences. My first experience

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was nineteen ninety one. It was
about winter timers, when the nights were

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dark. So I'm going to imagine
be October November type of time. And

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we used to have a dog called
Clyde, Clyde the dog, and I

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had to take him out for a
walk and thanks a flash. It was

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just like a imagine a camera flash, David, and then one and then

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this white disc just right over and
just kind of start hovering over my neighbor's

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house, maybe only about fifteen feet
maybe even ten feet over the over the

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house. And it wasn't a perfect
hover. I think it was darting about.

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And from there light was coming through
and my neighbor's house is white,

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and you see the light is flashing
the reflecting of the of the of the

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white white house and I was just
watching it for a while and I went

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in. I had a friend of
mine, he came in, he came

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out, and we just watched it
together. And that was the first one

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I had a hud. About twenty
to thirty sightings they started ninety six,

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I've I actually got followed down the
street by UFO and was It was okay

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at the time, but for days
afterwards, the workind of security like this

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had twenty six and lights were going
I was December ninety six as well,

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and they got the security likes and
just they just start to come out of

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that time. They were going off
and on in my neighbor's garden. I

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was so frightened just to walk out
of the house. And then I saw

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a massive space of them. Between
night seven ninety eight ninety nine, I

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had a really intense encounter David where
I wasn't a UFO per se, but

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I had this feeling, a very
strong feeling David that something was there.

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And there's a bit of a waste
ground where my parents lived. I had

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a feeling huff to go in there. And when I went in there,

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the clouds started moving really quickly.
It was imagine like you're watching something on

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YouTube and you just fast forward it
and you see the clouds going really what

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was exactly like that? And then
one part of the sky sky turned this

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purplish blue color, this part of
the sky turned this reddish pink, and

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in between this white lightness came through. And I'm going to be completely honest,

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I was so scared. I am
never to this day being as scared

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as I was when I was not. Just the fear of the vulnerability,

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the feeling of being alone was just
so overwhelming. I had to get out,

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David. I just had to get
out of that waste ground. And

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as soon as I got out,
I got a it was like a strong

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feeling saying you were not meant to
leave that, leave leave there. It

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was almost like we had something to
do. Well. They had another sighting

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in two thousand and two and then
there was nothing. And then over and

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above that, David, I would
some of the sightings were quite often.

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You see them maybe every night,
for example in the late nineties, and

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you come back and be poltuguice activity
in the house. It was like,

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for goodness sake, let's have some
peace. But what was really if it's

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okay, just to finish off the
story, I was living a town in

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five in twenty sixteen and we're just
ended up needing to go and we just

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found out my wife was pregnant and
we needed a new house. And Alison

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Dunlop had organized a SkyWatch at a
place hold eight seventy which or next to

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a reservoir called harper Rig. And
harper Rig is very close to where I

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lived, and I was about five
miles away. I can see the hills,

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and the hills are really important because
when we went to the site,

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Alison and I soon actually Alison just
wrote a new book, and both of

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us were seeing like this black energy
from the hills and it was it was

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quite intense, and Alison got a
feeling like you you should not be there,

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You need to leave this place.
Anyway, I went back home and

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start having these really weird dreams.
David like it was almost like saying,

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well, we've kind of given up
on you and you've come looking for us.

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And I went back to Dundee,
and Dundee is there's a river just

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a very bottom of end of Dundee
called the River Tay. It's the longest

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river in Scotland and it has the
most outputs, the most water of any

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river in the UK. So so
there's a lot of rivers in England that

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are longer than it. The munt
A volume of water that goes through the

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Tay is actually much much more than
any other river. And I was just

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over the water and this I was
almost like a miniature sun at night just

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appeared. It was about January time, David, and just have just appeared.

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You can see the reflection. It
was like a I was like,

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oh my goodness, and that that
was the last time. But ever since

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that, and even to this day, I still get syncing. It says

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when about harper Rig, it's just
incredible and it's silly thing like a bottle

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dog. Jarvis my best friend in
the world, David, And you look

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at the pedigree records and is granted
and then the name is harper Rig.

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And they just little things, little
coincidences like that happened all the time.

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Ended up moving to to Livingston,
and we had no intention of moving to

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Livingston. It was always going to
be in Dundee or Fife. So there's

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been a phenomenal amount of uf activity
and paranormal activity. But I've got to

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meet nowadays, I really don't see
much and the occasional synk mis city or

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occasional or but nothing much anymore.
Mm hmm. That's very interesting though.

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I mean there's been quite a lot
of activity in Scotland. There's an understanding.

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I mean I know Roland Header as
well, of course his book UFO

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Scotland. Yeah, but I've actually
got it in front of me, to

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be honest. But also we've got
the well as you mentioned earlier, that

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well Deckmond Woods UFO, from which
Malcolm Robinson has written a book about.

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When we were talking about I I
didan' artificial intelligence a little while ago,

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there seems to have been some sort
of artificial intelligence involved in that event,

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would you say, I really don't
know them. Yes. So where I

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live is a time called Livingstone,
and the best way to describe it is

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almost like a commuter town to Edinburgh. There's a busy motorway that links Edinburgh

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to Glasgow called the Emmy so whenever
and basically what happened is that between Edinburgh

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and Glasgow is almost like Towntome twntometown
and the living seems to be the bigger,

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one of the more bigger ones out
of that a succession of times.

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And I'm only about fifteen minutes away
from the airport, and there's quite a

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lot of activity that happens around here. The most famous sightings, for example

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bonnie Bridge, a seventy incident where
watching the bonny Bridge. Yes, that's

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a very big incident. Also everyone's
probably heard of that as well all over

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the world. And also Dickment.
So Dicment Is is incredible. It's a

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really really incredible place and I really
am up there all the time. What's

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funny is that I do speak to
people, and I do speak to dog

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walkers, and the majority of them
are like, we don't know much about

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the UFOs or anything like that.
But occasionally I'll get speaking to a dog

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walker and they'll say, yeah,
we've seen something. And not much happens

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there anymore, but certainly in times
gone by, when you go to one

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of Malcolm's events, you get speaking
to people, and certainly there were there

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are a lot of people, not
just Bob Taylor, have seen things there.

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The reason why I say I don't
think I don't know about AI is

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for anybody it doesn't know. The
case that happened in November nineteen seventy nine

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and Bob Taylor was a honest member
of the community. He was a forestry

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worker and a World War two veteran
and Dickment Hill there's a very young woodland.

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It was almost six saplings when Bob
Taylor was there, and this UFO

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like a dumb bell, like half
bell shaped a ufo kind of phased in

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and out of reality and then two
minds like objects landed on the ground and

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rolled over and grabbed him. Mister
Taylor lost consciousness and then we woke up.

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Everything gone. I do know a
lot around Livingston's now been living here

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for a number of years, and
not one of them have said that mister

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Taylor's been dishonest. Every single one
of them have said yeah, because it

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was a thing that the police said
that he was. Probably he might wrather

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have been drunk or just turning law, isn't they That was the story that

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was going around. Well, the
twice I've seen I've met the policeman who

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investigated the case, and this is
one that I think it's the only case

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in the UK which been investigated by
the police, and the police did a

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phenomenal job and no word of a
lie. Almost to This is almost quoting

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verbatum. They were saying the I
can't remember the name of the police officer

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BA says something to I'm like,
I don't believe in UFOs, but any

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of the skeptics explanations are actually even
more outlandish. Mister Taylor been abducted.

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Basically, he believed Robert Taylor was
abducted, and the investigation was excellent.

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The things that they did, for
example, let track like doing the Caterpillar

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type of tracks. They investigated almost
every form of vehicle that could leave those

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tracks in Westbodian, the region that
I live in, and it's nothing matched.

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So the police really did believe him, and they did a phenomenally further

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job. It wasn't just leaving this
guy and just like yeah, yeah,

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we'll look into that, throwing to
do list that will never be done.

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It was a further investigation and a
very good investigation as well. Yeah.

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I think it might well have been
the newspapers that were making meant to be

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a lawyer. You know, probably
it's on you. He's making things up.

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But of course we're going back to
nineteen seventy nine when there were poo

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pooing just about everything about the the
UFOs not so much nowadays so that I

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still do it. But I think
Becky Naughty simply know. And it was

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the thing. It was just a
complete science fiction, wasn't it. Oh?

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Absolutely absolutely yeah, if you if
you don't mind as well, it's

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just about the area I living west
LORI one thing myself and another chap have

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been looking at, and the other
chaps maybe a bit more. I had

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a bit more prominence, a bit
more visibility than I do. Chap called

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Chris Meek, and Chris is a
phenomenal researcher. If anybody wants to look

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at the Scottish per normal podcasting.
Sorry to do a plug for a friend

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of mine, but yeah, yeah, go ahead. He's done a lot

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of research. We've been looking at
an old cairn called Kirn Papal, which

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roughly translates as cairn of the Eye, and it's in the Basket Hills and

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we're just even the local Facebook groups
speaking to people, people reporting. We're

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getting so many reports, it's just
incredible. It's Kirn Papal seems to be

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certainly the more busier place nowadays in
Scotland. Sorry, well, how do

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you spell that right? I'm dyslexic, so my yeah, so I live.

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I live in the Unpied Kingdom.
According to a lot of my application

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forms, it's C A I R
N P P L E, so it's

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almost like Apple, but you leave
the A from it right and it's you're

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not very Google. I just did
a bit of Google and have a look

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at that. Yep, there's there's
a number of cases there, and in

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around that area another place very close
to it, almost like walking distances of

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place called Raven's Craig. There was
an incident in the eighties and eighty eight

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with a almost like a big foot
sighting called of the of somebody called the

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Silverman of being like and I spoke
to somebody who during lockdown had a second

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encounter with that Silverman being as well. It's not just Ken Papple, but

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there seems to be a number of
locations in this area it's called the Basket

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Hills where people are experiencing ghosts UFOs
unusual type being such as Yuett's Ferries.

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It seems to be phenomenally active.
So while we still hear about things in

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bunny Bridge and in around that area, it seems to be that the more

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the epicenter seems to be the city
called the Basket Hills, and King Papple

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in particular seems to be incredibly busy. Yeah, I've heard that there's a

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big Foot stories going around. It's
your thoughts on the fact that some of

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these beings might be coming through a
dimensional postals some sort, and it's a

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bit it's a dimensional beings, you
know. I'm not a subscriber to interdimensional

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theory. So there was a really
good book by academic as Japanese American scientist

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canu Or Kaku, sorry, and
he wrote a book called Hyperspace back in

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ten years ago or so, and
it's a phenomenally good book. He's written

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science in a way that even somebody
like myself could understand, and that that's

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a real achievement. David him,
I'm going to have to you and my

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both. Yeah, And what what
you was talking about is how dimensions work.

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Basically, where the Big Bang happened, there's I think there's ten dimensions.

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So it's been ten years since I've
read this, So there was ten

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dimensions and they're all roughly the same
size. And then shortly after the Big

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Bang happened, the first tree dimensions
length with breadth, they kind of broke

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out. Then the other sixth time
other rest them kind of other seventy time

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and everything else kind of did their
own thing, and then time then kind

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of flipped back and came into join
the other three, and then other six

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kind of got been normally compressed.
Now where I have problems with the interdimensional

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theory is that we can our eyes, can see our eyes, our ears,

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our sense, we can sense length, bread whether we can sense our

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environment. We don't really have a
sense of time. We have to have

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a clock or something like that.
Then the dimensions between time and the other

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three dimensions are so vast that even
something as simple as as that it seems

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to be phenomenally different. And now
we're talking about the other six dimensions that

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are even more unusual, even more
compressed. And I'm just thinking, how

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would an entity like a gray or
a being like the Pascadola, how would

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they survive in that sort of dimension. And but then they'd have to almost

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like change in more for become something
different to interact. We would be so

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would be so different that things like
the hybrid hybrids would be unlikely, just

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the way that we would take in
a gen and expell waste. It would

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be so different. So I'm not
a big fan of it. Yeah,

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I mean, I can see what
you're saying, but could you not sort

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of except that maybe we have our
tunnel of vision is very very small,

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and there's there could be other things
that are going on without with outside of

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our our vision range if you like, our frequency. So maybe it's not

407
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,719
dimensional at all. It's all going
on at once, if you see what

408
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,360
I mean. I'm very open too
that. Yeah, I mean, we

409
00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:36,360
were you. I think we use
it. The dimensional is the fact that

410
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,199
it's because it's it's something that we
can't see, so it makes it outside

411
00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:44,159
of our dimension. But it could
well be that things are all going on

412
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,519
all around us, but we just
can't see it because of our our vibrational

413
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:54,000
range of our vision. Certainly,
certainly I can believe that, David.

414
00:37:54,360 --> 00:38:00,760
And I'm maybe being a bit facetious
in my argument as well. What I

415
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:12,199
would say is that it's I'm very
open to that possibility. There's a really

416
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:19,440
good book by a guy called Ras
and Burke called The Simulated Universe, and

417
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:24,760
he goes into quantum computing, multiple
AI all that, all that good stuff,

418
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:30,360
and I'm a little bit confused when
he gets to the quantum computing of

419
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,400
work to meet. But one of
the things he's looking at is things like

420
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:38,360
the Mandela effect. And also he's
looking at things like like Philip K.

421
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:44,800
Dick, who did Man in the
High Castle and you know who? And

422
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:52,480
according to Philip K. Dick,
he believed that he wasn't just these different

423
00:38:52,519 --> 00:39:00,760
domains, these different universes actually existed, things like this actually did happen.

424
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:06,519
He also believed that in the if
you ever seen that movie with I think

425
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:09,880
it's Emily Blunt and Matt Damon the
Just Went Bureau where they be like these

426
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:15,599
sort of like men and black style
figures. Oh yes about yeah through Yeah,

427
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:21,760
Well, he believed that that these
sort of beings that were controlling things

428
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,800
were actually real and he'd actually interacted
with them. So yeah, I believe

429
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:32,400
that there's something like that, like
alternative universes, and I also believe that

430
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,679
there could be Certainly, I think
it's likely that there will be things like

431
00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:45,800
underlying structures to our own universe.
And certainly I've been listening to a few

432
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:51,039
podcasts that We're scientists are coming in
and saying when they're trying to understand consciousness.

433
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:55,000
For example, they just seem understand
how consciousness is replicated, and they've

434
00:39:55,039 --> 00:40:00,480
come to the conclusion that there's something
beyond this universe can reptic conscious and then

435
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:07,800
bring it into our realm or our
sphere of existence. So yes, I'm

436
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:15,239
very open to that two different universes
or or things like my bas different things

437
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:22,159
within our within our own universe that
we're just not able to see or understand.

438
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:27,159
Yeah, unless something happens, like
there's a lack of potal outs of

439
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:30,519
some sort. And this is where
I believe some of these beings could be

440
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:34,719
coming from. Uh, they sort
of vibrate in and then vibrate back out.

441
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,679
Okay, you know, this is
why I think sometimes when your theory,

442
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,280
but so that when we may well
see them or they get they become

443
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,400
visible to some people, same as
UFOs. I mean some people describe that

444
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:51,119
I see UFOs straight above their house, but nobody else'll say them, you

445
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:55,880
know, yeah, yeah, I
mean I have I have excuse me,

446
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:05,360
sorry, my my my car is
going a bit. That's what I just

447
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:10,800
playing it for. I was playing. Actually it's funny with the with the

448
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:16,199
computers and a third of all electronics
in your third of the cost of a

449
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:22,039
car normally is the electronics within the
within your car, and somewhere you thinking,

450
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:23,800
come on, guys, what do
you need that for? Yeah,

451
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:29,000
No, it looks like I'm gon
sitting there the space ships and things over

452
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:36,039
It's like, yeah, yeah,
sorry, I lost track of them.

453
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,880
They lost the track of the conversation
there, David. Yeah, we were

454
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,199
just I think it's just talk and
rembot a super self there. It's something

455
00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:52,119
about uh, then if any listeners
are listening, So thats what we were

456
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:58,079
talking about, don't Yeah, but
yeah, certainly coming back to things like

457
00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:01,960
universities, so that's where we were
also at universities. I think the thing

458
00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:07,719
was these things could be pupping popping
in the in and out of dimensions,

459
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:12,480
and so this is why they have
become visible. But I've known several people

460
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,760
have said they say UFO is a
lot about their house, but of course

461
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:20,880
not everyone else is saying, we're
living around them. So those UFOs must

462
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,679
become visible to just those people,
you know. I think there's two parts

463
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:30,840
to it. And the reason why
I say this is I've had I've researched

464
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:36,599
a lot of the UFO cases,
and I've also witnessed a number of UFO

465
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:42,599
cases as well. Now, I've
had one incident where it's almost the best

466
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:46,480
way to describe it is Spider Man's
got this like Spidey sense, they kind

467
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:52,840
of know something's about to happen.
I sometimes get that when it's like something's

468
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,960
in the area and I can I
can't see anything, I could just know

469
00:42:55,039 --> 00:43:00,280
they're there. One case where that
happened where and the guy next to me

470
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,199
and just I just knew they were
there. And the guy next to me

471
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:09,039
who had he had some motor damage
and he was saying, there's a craft

472
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:15,719
right above her heads. And even
I and I'm quite sensitively these things couldn't

473
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,199
see it. So I think they
have I think there's three parts to it.

474
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,599
I think first of all, they
can allow us not to see them.

475
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,719
The second part is I had the
case where I was with somebody and

476
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:31,199
the person I was with didn't see
it until I actually pointed out to them

477
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,559
to say, look, do you
see that over there? And they saw

478
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:38,280
it, but it was only through
me guiding them there that they were able

479
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,960
to see it. Were almost like
it was outside of their perception. And

480
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,559
when I spoke to them before afterwards
I was like, they weren't really that

481
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:50,360
bothered. And the last one,
and I know this for a fact that

482
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,239
the people are very close to me. Husband and wife went out and the

483
00:43:55,639 --> 00:44:00,400
husband saw the UFOs and went out
with his wife and next day the UFOs

484
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:06,360
were still there and she can't remember
seeing them. So it's almost like they

485
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,400
have the ability to help not let
them see us. They almost like not

486
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,199
really recognize them, and even we
do recognize them, we do see them,

487
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,199
then you might not even remember.
So whether that's something that they're doing

488
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,320
or as a part of our memory, I really don't know. But certainly

489
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,480
the ball is in their court whether
or not they want want you to see

490
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,960
them or not. Yeah, I've
heard that several times. I mean,

491
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:30,920
they seem to be able to talk
at your vision somehow, don't they,

492
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:36,840
you know, talk perhaps what you
say with your brain or something. I

493
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,320
don't know what the how are they
doing it? But yeah, I really

494
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:46,079
don't know is but certainly I can
sometimes when when I have not had a

495
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:51,239
UFO experience now for about eight years, actually over eight years, and before

496
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,559
that was all the number of years
before that, but certainly when they were

497
00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:00,280
frequent, I remember almost knowing that
it was see a UFO before to see

498
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,719
them. So whether they setting me
up to see them or not, or

499
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,400
setting my vibrations up, I don't
know. I think I really love the

500
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:15,480
idea of and I'd like to explore
more things like lay lines and energy lines.

501
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:20,840
So I'm just about to start doing
a bit of dowsing, but a

502
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,480
few dowsing rods and I'm doing a
dowsing group on in me so for a

503
00:45:27,159 --> 00:45:32,159
for a place in Glasgow. So
certainly become an attuned to energy lines.

504
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:37,960
And like you're saying before, Ron
Holliday, is it's very interesting these things.

505
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:42,559
I think there's a lot of scope
in that. I feel that there

506
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:46,280
may be not just the person but
the place as well added up. I

507
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:52,039
think that's certain places will have certain
energies that could be harnessed by whatever,

508
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,480
and these are the places that are
likely to see UFOs or ghosts or or

509
00:45:57,519 --> 00:46:00,519
whatever. Absolutely, you know.
I mean, I had Maria Weekly on

510
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:06,559
this show just last week. You've
heard of Maria Weekly because she's one of

511
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:10,119
the top delsers of the country,
if not the top delcer. No,

512
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:16,079
I can't say I've been less than
I've been reading a few downs in Scotland.

513
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:22,119
There's a really interesting guy from Creef
who's written a few books and he's

514
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:27,559
he's the guy that's really got me
interested in dowsing. But no, I'll

515
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:30,960
have to I'll have to look her
up and find out more about her.

516
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:36,239
She she does an awful lot of
work, maindly around Stonehenge and you've probably

517
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:43,639
heard a stone Henge and Avebury and
things like that. Yeah, but usually

518
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:46,079
monolists. But she's been to Egypt
and everything that. But yeah, Maria

519
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:52,360
Weightly, she's absolutely brilliant. She's
she actually does dlsing courses of her own,

520
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:58,440
you know, she runs them.
But it sounds it sounds really good

521
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:04,039
and I highly recommended. Yeah.
I love standing stones. I love I

522
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:07,679
feel we're really lucky in the UK
that you don't have to go far to

523
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:13,920
see an ancient site. And I
think sometimes we sometimes overlook them, will

524
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,800
drive past them, or but see
the fact that there's these sets that have

525
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,400
been put there five thousand years ago. Yeah. Absolutely, and all the

526
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,239
old churches and things, which you're
fascinating. Yeah, well here's one that

527
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:31,840
I've been really interesting. Remember the
I've spoken about two incidents. I talked

528
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:37,039
about the a seventy instant and also
Cairn Papal. Like Cairn Papal is a

529
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:43,400
is a henge. It's unusual Unlike
Stonehenge, this henge is actually up in

530
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,519
the air, up in the up
on a hill. Mostly henges are kept

531
00:47:46,519 --> 00:47:53,519
on the ground, but this one
is is unusual. There there seems to

532
00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:59,199
be a lot of lay lines around
there and that's where people seem to see

533
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,719
a lot of UFO's. But the
one that's really stand out is Harper Rigg

534
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:09,159
the a seventy incident where there is
the hills that both myself and Allison saw

535
00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:15,480
that black energy on their name is
actually called East Cairn and West Cairn,

536
00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:19,519
and both of them have five thousand
year old cairns actually on the top of

537
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:28,280
the hills. When they sort of
go down and they reach an old castle,

538
00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:34,519
it's derelict, it's ruined, called
Cairn's Castle. Oh yes, yeah.

539
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:37,960
And what have been really interesting is
there's a saw on a website,

540
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,760
so it must be true. But
that's where the name of Cairns from Australia

541
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:49,199
got its name from from this castle. Certainly, I think like castles,

542
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,519
churches do seem to be maybe places
that have been even older or places of

543
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:59,000
worship. I've been even older than
that, and people put castles or or

544
00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:05,760
churches on there and kept on going. A very very interesting place is called

545
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:12,559
denino Den, just outside of Saint
Andrew's and they actually have It's only about

546
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,280
a mile or two outside of the
city of St Andrews, where famous for

547
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:22,159
golf and where Princes William went to
for university. And donino Den has a

548
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:28,079
church. It's still a working church
and right next to the church is a

549
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:35,239
I have millennia old pagan site and
this the energy there is incredible. They've

550
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:40,360
got a car carvings of a green
man for example, actually in the rock,

551
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:45,679
and it's just just a phenomenal place. So certainly I agree with you

552
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,880
that a lot of churches and a
lot of castles will have been sites of

553
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,840
far older and far more mystical places, and they've just been built up over

554
00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:00,239
the centuries in the millennia. Ye. The fascinating thing he's heard the ancients

555
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:05,119
now about all these places and the
why they're all lined up all over and

556
00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:08,559
I actually line up all over the
world, don't they. Well one thing

557
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:17,400
I did a talk in twenty nineteen
on places in Scotland, particularly like haunted

558
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:23,360
places in Scotland. And one thing
that somebody did say was you can sometimes

559
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:28,280
find connections if you look for them. So safe example, if you wanted

560
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,679
to look at all the old police
boxes within or old telephone boxes within London,

561
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:37,920
you'd be able to find it a
line somewhere from it. So I

562
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:43,440
do feel that sometimes you have to
put a bit of salt within the Yeah,

563
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,079
I can see what you're mean.
Yeah, I will tell you one

564
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:52,519
place I find absolutely fascinating. Now
I think everybody knows, as has listened

565
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:59,239
to or watched the movie The Da
Vinci Code, Yes and read the book,

566
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:05,679
is what was fascinating and Rosslyn Chapel. Honestly, folks really go to

567
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:10,639
it. It's incredible. However,
what is really fascinating is we're talking about

568
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:16,880
henges, is that the Rose line
actually then keeps on going up and it

569
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:23,719
goes through an old henge, another
hene called Balpark Henge. And this is

570
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:29,760
someplace that's now and it's completely forgotten
about. Almost nobody really would know about

571
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,480
it. But the line does go
through this set still goes through this henge,

572
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,559
and the henge is still there to
the state, it's over five thousand

573
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:43,000
years old, and it's just I
find this place really interesting. There's a

574
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:51,760
number of ancient churches and at least
one ancient church sorry, two stone circles,

575
00:51:51,920 --> 00:52:00,119
and I get the distinct impression that
there's an energy circuit still active in

576
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:04,440
that area, and there's quite a
lot of paranorm activity that actually happens in

577
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:10,119
there around that area. It's it's
the place in particular, it's called mark

578
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:15,360
Kinch that's where a lot of paranormativity
happened. And the reason why I'm so

579
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,880
interested in it is I lived in
Markings for ten years and the house I

580
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:27,079
lived in was extremely haunted. And
just last week I got a UFO report

581
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,480
from nearby and a nearby thing called
Star. Of all places, it's actually

582
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:37,719
the place is actually ginging called Star, and I'm fallowing that up and investigating

583
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:43,880
it. So I find I find
that sort of line that's sort of coincidence.

584
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,840
Still, though I take a pinch
of salt to it, I do

585
00:52:46,039 --> 00:52:52,320
feel that there is at least some
credits and truth, certainly in certain places

586
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:57,239
like the Rose Line, and certainly
there are certainly unusual places like that in

587
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:04,079
around the UK. So yeah,
certainly is in five for example, there's

588
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:07,000
there's a lot happening in this time, caled markings again, big cat sightings,

589
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:13,920
UFO's paranormal activity and selling them.
Pray keep my eye out in that

590
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:15,519
area. Yeah, it's been a
few years since I've been to Scotland.

591
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:19,119
It might makes me feel local one
only to count take a trip again.

592
00:53:19,639 --> 00:53:22,280
Oh yeah, where did you go
to? Did you go to? We

593
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:27,000
we went to foot with you and
it went all around Scotland, basically right

594
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:30,039
up to the top, around the
round the locks, everything for a couple

595
00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:32,000
of weeks. We took the dogs
with us, so that was a bit

596
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:37,239
of a nightmare when I were puppies, but but they were very good now.

597
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,679
But yeah, it was fantastic Scotland. There's a very really beautiful place.

598
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:47,800
Apart from the middies. Oh yeah, that the middies are if b

599
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,039
doesn't live in in the UK.
They're light mosquitos, but there are a

600
00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:55,519
lot more. They're a lot smaller. Oh god, I get all in

601
00:53:55,599 --> 00:54:00,840
your hair and everything. Oh it's
terrible, crushing your head. And I

602
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:07,239
found one place like that in America. Actually went through Apper Mettals where I

603
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:12,239
visited there, and that was just
like Scotland with a little siny imdges and

604
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,559
they were getting in your hair.
And even older buildings. They've got an

605
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:20,519
old like town there. That's where
they finished the Civil war, actually Appa

606
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:24,119
Matos, that's where they signed all
the documents and everything. But they've got

607
00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:30,599
like a like an old town there, and they've even got like like doorways,

608
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:34,519
the special doorways to keep the midges
out, you know. But it

609
00:54:34,679 --> 00:54:37,400
was I'm going off, going off
of the tangent. But all I'm saying

610
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:42,000
is they were the same the same
sort of midges that you and you can't

611
00:54:42,039 --> 00:54:45,800
stop them, you know, they're
just everywhere. Yeah, mosquito nets that

612
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:51,079
there's a lot smaller than than mosquitoes. So mosquito nets just don't work.

613
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:59,960
You actually have to get a protective
netting just for middi's. And I remember

614
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:06,440
what my wife and I like to
travel around Scotland, and I specially love

615
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,800
to see things like ancient stone circles
or ancient carens for example. And I

616
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:15,840
remember going out going one place one
day and I remember seeing nobody else outside.

617
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,639
My wife's Polish and she said I'm
going outside and went, no,

618
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:28,400
I just don't and she went,
I won't be that bad I've had mischaitos

619
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:34,800
before. I'm like, okay,
I've tried to stop you. And honestly,

620
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:40,320
David, five minutes afterwards she was
she was back in believe. They're

621
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:46,599
merciless, they're Oh my god,
my eyes actually watering up to seem thinking

622
00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:51,960
about them. Now, I just
get get away. You're you're always and

623
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:57,719
everything the ever experience that you know
exactly what we're talking about. Fortunately,

624
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:04,760
so they are further north, and
yeah, of the Scottish population do tend

625
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,119
to stay in the what's called the
Central Belt. I think it's about eighty

626
00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:13,719
five percent of the population actually stays
in the Central Belt. So that starts

627
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,840
off and almost in where I'm from, Dundee and then goes right through to

628
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:22,920
Glasgow and it's about eighty ninety miles
of and that's where the vast majority people

629
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:29,480
are. So yeah, we we
don't deal with Midge's but oh yeah,

630
00:56:29,519 --> 00:56:34,199
well we did. We did also
another trip up to Edinburgh Castle, which

631
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:39,840
was fantastic. Yeah, so fantastic
history there. Oh, Edinburgh's just beautiful.

632
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,440
If you go on Prince's Street and
you live this place, like I

633
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:51,639
think New York and Edinburgh, they
just they just stand out just incredibly beautiful.

634
00:56:51,679 --> 00:56:58,840
And the castle as well is just
that the backdrop of is stunning.

635
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:01,440
I do love it Edinburgh. I
don't go in the town as often as

636
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,840
I as I used to do,
but certainly I do love to go to

637
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,199
Edinburgh and Glasgow as well. I
think everybody seemed to go to Edinburgh,

638
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:13,599
but Glasgow's got a lot of charm, a lot of the magic. Yeah,

639
00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:15,679
Pains of Glasgow was well. I
did come to one of the UFO

640
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:21,920
comperence is a few years back when
when Peter Robbies was there. Okay,

641
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:28,000
yeah, that was twenty eighteen before
it, Okay, it's off. Yeah,

642
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,079
I remember that day well. And
one thing I'd have to say as

643
00:57:32,119 --> 00:57:37,039
well is that was two and fifty, wasn't it. No, I think

644
00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:44,119
that was. I think that's twenty
eighteen because Faulkirk was twenty seventeen, so

645
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,480
it was two. It was before
that anyway. Now we won't argue about

646
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,800
it, but yeah, you could
be wrong. I thought it was a

647
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,920
bit earlier, isn't it. I've
got to meet though, I remember that

648
00:57:54,119 --> 00:57:58,480
and it wasn't meant to be Peter
that was speaking. However, I thought

649
00:57:58,599 --> 00:58:02,239
Peter was en normally good that it
was supposed to be. I'm not going

650
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,679
to mention the other person's but it
was supposed to be the trom speaking,

651
00:58:07,199 --> 00:58:10,639
you know. So anyways, that's
sort of in the past and he's been

652
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:15,840
proven, it's been proven what he
is and everything. So yeah, they

653
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:21,880
I've got to say as well,
Allison does most organizing. It's a it's

654
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:27,280
a trio of Malcolm, Ron and
Alison, and Allison does so well,

655
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,960
really well, and Ron as well, what's hard, and so is Malcolm.

656
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:37,519
They all work very, very hard
and they do a lot, and

657
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:43,519
it's a bet it's a better underappreciated, especially Alison because Braun and Malcolm they're

658
00:58:43,559 --> 00:58:49,880
they're a bit better known and they're
phenomenally good at what they do. Alison

659
00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:54,360
is is the real workhoorse for the
conferences and she just yeah. And also

660
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,360
you've got Malcolm living back up with
Scotland, the guy there because when I

661
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,679
came, when I when I do, you would have been down in the

662
00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:04,920
high Stings. Yeah. Now he's
going to gone back to his home THEND.

663
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,559
He's back, and to be honest, David, it's been an absolute

664
00:59:08,639 --> 00:59:13,760
blessing to have him here, I'm
sure. Yeah, yeah, it's the

665
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,920
one thing I would say about Malcolm
is he's he's very charismatic, as I

666
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:24,800
think everybody knows. He's very energetic, and he's starting to organizing sky watchers

667
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:34,159
for example, and organized little knights
like for example SPI fortieth anniversary. The

668
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,880
fact that he's doing these things,
he's getting people together, he's getting the

669
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:43,360
community together, and it's a it's
a real blessing to have that and have

670
00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:46,719
somebody like Malcolm to do that,
because it does take a lot of energy.

671
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:55,840
Probably you'll you'll know yourself that all
the organization, the people would we

672
00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:00,079
see the five percent that's going to
be visible, but all the things behind

673
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:05,920
it. I did all I got
going as the conference myself. And it's

674
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:10,000
not easy. No, No,
I can imagine. I really can imagine,

675
01:00:10,039 --> 01:00:16,320
and in fact welcome did speak a
downy Woodbridge your suff it. Yeah.

676
01:00:17,079 --> 01:00:22,239
I've spoken twice at SPI. I
spoke once on Ai and the Aliens

677
01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:28,000
and another one I spoke on haunted
Scottish properties. And I made a point

678
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:32,400
of actually going to every property I
spoke about and spoke to the staff,

679
01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:37,079
spoke to people who were who have
actually experienced things there, and all the

680
01:00:37,159 --> 01:00:43,239
photographs, took photographs of the place
and it was a phenomenal experience. But

681
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,159
two, it would be easier for
me just to go online and take a

682
01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:52,880
few a few stories and felt out
it's ingenious. Well, and I think

683
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:59,280
that sells shout for the future.
You can talk about you'll hold your properties,

684
01:00:59,519 --> 01:01:04,400
that you holded locations. Yeah,
and yeah, well thanks for having

685
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,159
me on today though, David.
It's been a pleasure. Everything. The

686
01:01:07,199 --> 01:01:12,000
time has gone very quickly. I
must say we've jumped about a little bit,

687
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:16,119
but it's been fantastic conversation. I
must say a little bit of fact.

688
01:01:16,159 --> 01:01:21,280
I want to talk about that deck
Woods incident for people out there.

689
01:01:21,719 --> 01:01:25,760
There was a strong piece of evidence
as to what happened with what was his

690
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:34,199
name, his name it was,
it was Robert Taylor. Robert Taylor.

691
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,159
That's right. Yeah, Malcolm's got
his torn trailsers, isn't he, Because

692
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:43,800
what happened in that attack, he
he kind of fell over and these things

693
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,360
that run over him. Basically he
tore his trailsers or foremost. Yeah,

694
01:01:47,559 --> 01:01:52,599
absolutely, and they so they've got
the evidence and these are like I've seen

695
01:01:52,639 --> 01:01:58,599
them several times. These are really
thick trousers. They are. Yeah,

696
01:01:58,639 --> 01:02:01,280
they wouldn't tear, is you when
you look at the threads that there was

697
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,719
like a lot of tearing and you
want, I mean to tell on the

698
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,039
wide ideas if you fell out offense
or something, you'd might like a little

699
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:10,920
bit of a pole on it.
You wouldn't rip them though, Why they

700
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:17,360
were ripped no way? And they
were actually I said they actually the police

701
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:24,320
actually put them in for analysis and
the analyst came back with only some sort

702
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:30,840
of specially only some sort of mechanized
equipment could have done that sort of rip,

703
01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:39,360
So highly highly unlikely that it's going
to be he caught his his trousers

704
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:44,519
and bad wire. It's like he
was trying to get away from something.

705
01:02:44,599 --> 01:02:46,719
And I think that was strong evidence
as to the you know, the suppose

706
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:53,360
that, Yeah, I strongly believe
that, Like I know that area really

707
01:02:53,440 --> 01:03:00,320
well, David, I am.
And there's no bad wire. There's I

708
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:05,440
can't think of anything that could maybe
a twig, maybe brushing against a twig

709
01:03:05,559 --> 01:03:09,920
or something like that, but sharp
er. But what might that rips is

710
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:15,320
the why I were will die?
Yeah. Probably. You can probably see

711
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,880
the picture of the trousies on on
the on the internet. Somewhere. I

712
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:24,480
would think I've actually held them three
times. Watch about a month ago,

713
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:30,559
and he brought the he brought the
trousers out and to show everybody. The

714
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:37,159
other thing, I would say that
the evidence is the that's sort like the

715
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:44,840
caterpillar marks are really distinctive because it
is exactly where Robert Taylor said that happened,

716
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:51,360
and there was no other form of
a vehicle that could make that specific

717
01:03:51,519 --> 01:04:00,079
type of indentation within on the ground. So unless the other tree decided to

718
01:04:00,159 --> 01:04:04,800
have a really heavy helicopter and I
don't really hunching nooks back in the seventies,

719
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:09,840
but say that they did, they'd
have to have an unusual type of

720
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:14,800
vehicle that landed when I attacked some
guy who was just doing his job,

721
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:19,239
and then came back flew back up
again without anybody else seeing it. And

722
01:04:20,039 --> 01:04:25,800
that's highly that's highly unlikeening note as
well, it would make a hell of

723
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:30,440
a noise. The other thing as
well is both Ron Halliday and Malcolm have

724
01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:38,280
written books detailing the incident, and
both of them have other witnesses and around

725
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:42,920
that area. It wasn't just it
wasn't just that one day the day before

726
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:47,079
there's a there's an old hospital and
that place is in itself is unusual,

727
01:04:47,559 --> 01:04:50,960
but there was a nurse there of
that witness something. And you can actually

728
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:59,800
see Bangor Hospital all pretty much from
where the with the the attack happened.

729
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,000
But also over around Livingston there's another
place called belsh Quarry, which I'm very

730
01:05:03,079 --> 01:05:08,960
close to right now. This is
about four miles away. People were seeing

731
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:14,039
UFOs the week before in that area. They were all over and people have

732
01:05:14,119 --> 01:05:19,039
been seeing UFOs for a long long
time in around Dictment. But that instant,

733
01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:25,800
that and day there was at least
two bits of evidence with the caterpillar

734
01:05:26,039 --> 01:05:30,639
tracks and the rip trowsers. So
it's a very very compelling case. And

735
01:05:30,639 --> 01:05:34,800
also one thing I'd have to say
about the Dictment case more than anything else

736
01:05:35,079 --> 01:05:41,159
is how well it was investigated.
It was when I did my talk,

737
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:47,079
I I I actually had my dog
on the on the slides and I said,

738
01:05:47,159 --> 01:05:51,760
this is how we should be going
about investigating what I What I'm trying

739
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:57,920
to say is that take away AI
take away data analysis, look at having

740
01:05:58,039 --> 01:06:01,440
the way, look at the way
the police investigated. Do not they do

741
01:06:01,559 --> 01:06:06,840
not report beliefs or to state to
what happened when it happened, why it

742
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:13,800
happened, Who was there this fact
in this a very specific way, And

743
01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:17,599
that's what that's what we should be
focused on, having very good, meticulous

744
01:06:18,199 --> 01:06:21,599
reports. And that's going to be
far more valuable to us than having the

745
01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:29,119
eye and the dectment woulds case and
and and the police comfortable that was investigating

746
01:06:29,199 --> 01:06:33,239
it really did have the gold standard
how investigation should happen. Sure. Yeah,

747
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,039
and I think we all give Malcolm's
book a plug. B were at

748
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:40,599
it, so we were we're talking
about it. It's called Decent Woods UFO

749
01:06:40,679 --> 01:06:44,559
is sort of by Malcolm Robinson.
It's a fourhounds of page book for anyone

750
01:06:44,599 --> 01:06:46,840
that is interested out there. It's
a fantastic cause. So it's a fantastic

751
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,559
book. Yeah. And Malcolm,
I've got to say I've read that,

752
01:06:51,079 --> 01:06:58,079
I've purchased the book. It's it's
very it's very well research. Malcolm has

753
01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:01,920
done a phenomenal good job, phenomenally
job on it. Yeah. I think

754
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,559
you can get it on Emason.
You can get it all the books.

755
01:07:05,639 --> 01:07:08,679
Yeah, I've got on Kindle,
so you can definitely get it. And

756
01:07:08,719 --> 01:07:11,880
then you get it on kindles.
Yeah, I've got to Kindle. It's

757
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,559
a phenomal, phenomally well research book. So how do you think it were?

758
01:07:15,639 --> 01:07:17,000
King? Do you can't get him
signed? Can you? No?

759
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:24,519
A funny story. I actually thought
I was ordering Alison Dunlop's new book,

760
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:30,000
Another plug and another plug because I'm
actually in it. But yeah, we'll

761
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,719
come you give it, give it
a plug. What's it called? Mystic

762
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:41,400
Visions by Allison Dunlop. And I
actually thought I was ordering the paperback version

763
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:45,039
and I ordered the kindle vashion instead. I was really it was actually hoping

764
01:07:45,079 --> 01:07:50,320
for Alison to sign it. So
yeah, two degrees and two diplomas in

765
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:54,159
computing and I still can't figure out
how to use Amazon. So Mays,

766
01:07:54,199 --> 01:07:58,920
you got a gun and bought another
one. There, I know. But

767
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:02,960
anyway, Mark, we must do
this again with the Haulty locations next time,

768
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,239
because that would be that would be
that's something that fascinates me as well.

769
01:08:08,119 --> 01:08:11,440
Yes, well it would be be
a pleasure to come on again in

770
01:08:11,519 --> 01:08:13,840
a few months. Well, i'll
give you a shout and we'll get you

771
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:15,760
back on again. Yeah, okay, well thanks thanks again, thank you.

772
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:25,840
I'll try not to have a cold
this time. Yeah, that's anyway.

773
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:27,800
Take care of yourself. Actually coming
on the market. We had a

774
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,479
pleasure talking to you, and good
luck in all your future adventures. Yeah,

775
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,760
thank you, Thank you, David, thank you for your cheers.

776
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:38,800
Bye bye. There we are.
That was Mark Anderson. Thank you Mark.

777
01:08:39,039 --> 01:08:42,800
Very interesting. I'm sure we'll do
something again in the future. Okay.

778
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,840
My next show is on the seventeenth
of June, and my guest on

779
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,840
that particular show will be Constant's Victoria
Briggs, and we're going to be talking

780
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:53,920
about earth skelectic history. So I
hope you'll joined me for that one.

781
01:08:54,039 --> 01:08:58,439
It sounds very interesting and i'll report
back a little bit about my US trip.

782
01:09:00,039 --> 01:09:01,000
As always, if you'd like to
get in touch with me, my

783
01:09:01,119 --> 01:09:05,439
email address is David Young two QN
at your who dot co dot uk.

784
01:09:06,359 --> 01:09:12,960
That's David Young two QN at your
hoo dot co dot UK. So I

785
01:09:13,039 --> 01:09:16,840
hope you'll join me on June seventeenth
with Constance Victoria Briggs. That's a monthy

786
01:09:17,039 --> 01:09:21,039
of course, as always, and
once again we'll be talking about Earth's galactic

787
01:09:21,239 --> 01:09:26,399
history. So there we are.
So once again, thank you for listening,

788
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:30,479
and I hope you enjoyed the show
and I hope you're joining for the

789
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,680
next one, So take care everybody. I'll speak to you next time.

790
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,880
Bye bye. Nothing else to be
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791
01:09:38,039 --> 01:09:44,119
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792
01:09:44,199 --> 01:09:48,920
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793
01:09:48,960 --> 01:10:54,399
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794
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,840
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