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Welcome to the show. I'm David Young. Now, as you're listening to
this, I've just returned from the United States, but not really because I
actually recorded this before I went, so you won't get any reports from me
about my visits to the States until the next show. I hope you can
wait anyway. For this show, I'll be talking to Mark Anderson, and
Mark will be talking about artificial intelligence and its connection to aliens and the search
for alien life. So we'll get right into that. Then I'd like to
introduce Mark Anderson. Mark, Welcome to the show. Hi David, thanks
for having me. It's a pleasure to welcome me to Paranormal Dimensions. I
must have I must publicly apologize to you because we tried to get this show
off the ground a couple of weeks ago, but I think we have to
change for one reason. And now I got I came down with look,
hold and everything. So thank you for finding us home to do this one.
As I'm just saying, oh fair, I'm getting a going to the
gym tonight. So it's it's a welcome distraction, So thank you for having
me. That's all right. So as long as it works good for both
both directions, that's good. Yeah, now we've got interested. We've got
an interesting couple of subjects here, artificially intelligence and aliens. Now, I'm
sure that aliens in the future will be using artificial intelligence. Is this where
you're sort of coming from with this theory? Not quite, that's not they're
not quite. Well, I'm I'm looking at I'm I'm sure that there are
that there are alien using the I I'm a big fan of the ufology and
they've been following it for years, and certainly i've heard of like robotic beings
been been witnessed. I don't know if the passive urbula, yes, I'm
probably not saying that. Probably, Yeah, I'm not too sure that had
robotic entities, but certainly I've read in previous places that there has been sort
of like robotic entities and sort of like the nineteen fifties nineteen sixties Lost in
Space robot almost needs to be there, so the bulky things, bulky danger
of Will Robinson. So currently they could be up to up for using AI,
and I certainly people like Terry Lovely, I think even Linda Moreton Howell.
Again, I'll probably get the names wrong. Topologies they have said things
like the Grays seem to be almost like a biological so maybe not an artificial
intelligence, but yeah, but certainly some sort of synthetic intelligence probably would be
a better word for it. Yeah, I think is could will be artificially
intelligence of some sort. And I did seem to be a lot robotic.
I mean I wasn't there obviously, but you know that did. The descriptions
of them, they're signed to be robotic. Yes. To be honest,
it's been a while since i've I've looked to the case. Then where I'm
coming from it, David is I would like to see how we can use
AI two essentially do two things. First of all, use it as a
method to collect data and secondly, how to analyze data using AI. However,
I would have to get a caveat is AI can only be using very
specific ways for data collection and certainly for when it comes to analysis, and
that's but there. I do feel that there's potential in both these both these
avenues along with existing ways that we collect data and some other new other forms
of technology as well. So it's quite exciting and I feel there's a lot
of new scope in this. Yeah. Would you say, do you feel
that maybe the peals that might already be doing this with you? I'm sure
there's a lot of things go on we done now about I would almost certainly
say yes. If you've ever read skin Walkers, skin Walkers in the Pentagon
as an ASAP and what what well Bigelow his team one of the things that
they were looking at our immune responses in abductees or experiences or contact ease,
and I think that that is phenomenally clever. Another guy, Gary Nolan is
certainly is quite open and using AI to detect my scans and find and normally
suspensial people who have been who've been affected with the Havana syndrome for example,
which seems to be some form of electromagnetic weapon predominantly in Havana. So where
where the eye works is that the majority of current AI nowadays is something called
machine learning, and a very quick way of thinking of it is you get
an algorithm and then you train that. You train that algorithm to do a
very specific purpose. So you can have one type of algorithm. However,
the way its train could be at the same algorithm trained differently could be doing
completely different things. So imagine you've got somebody who wants to be an athlete,
and you get one person to be a swimmer, another person to be
a weightlifter with changing bodies. See though it would be their twins, for
example, to start off with their body shape, their mentality will be vastly
different. And that's a quite a good analogy of how AI works. So
the problem with that, though, is that data quality is a massive issue
and when it comes to the data quality of UF four reports, we do
struggle with data quality. I like to call it the ninety five yearl And
I know he's not a very popular chat within the UFO community, but guy
that Nick Pope will say, who's at the mold would say, Nick pups
are good for the mine all if you know fancastic craftical are well. He
said that ninety five percent of all sightings are are not right, and other
people say it's less or more or whatever. The honest answers when people don't
know the right number of side of how many seconds are false, we really
don't know how poor or how good the data quality is. So it could
be number of reasons why the data quality is wrong. It could be falsifications
or even things like even a witness and experience, or I have from time
to time, like most people honestly have got things wrong. Or and then
there's also other people that maybe a same thing like planets and things like that,
all the usual things. So we don't know how how much the day,
how poor the dat quality is. But just for just for this analogy,
this scenario, ninety percent of the data is wrong. According to MD,
if you look at a data scientists will probably use a we'll probably we'll
be using some form of AI to answer question. If their data quality at
ninety five percent accurate, they will either have to do something to clean that
data to get it up to one hundred percent because ninety five percent of the
data is not it's just not good enough. It would lead to issues in
the in the answer that they're getting. So we have massive put issues with
data quality. And I suppose it's it's a bit like putting rubbish head and
getting rubbish out, isn't it a type of thing. It's well that that
would be a normal conventional program. But what it's almost like doing is it's
almost like training a training a young child to believe in nonsense from the start,
and then giving them nonsense as they grow up and become more mature,
and expect them to have a decent output or a decent answer. That's exactly
that is pretty much is what's happening there. So we so going back to
question about are the government doing it, Yes, they will be doing it,
but they will more likely be doing it on not the reports, but
on the people and how they're how they have been, how they've been affected
certainly they will be. They will be formed of AI in some formed of
analysis we use in other ways. But if I was to hedge my bets
that I would be on the people and not the and not the sightings that
would give us the most quality of most abundant form of data quality and where
we can answer most questions from Yeah. Sure, well do you do you
feel that the government, well, the the UFOs, but they are obviously
hiding thetance of UFOs in my mind? And do you agree with that?
I? I don't know. I don't know, David, and I'm sorry
to but one thing I will just I will say is, I don't know
if you've been following any of the Arrow sort of anything with Arrow in the
United States, with the Senate hearings. Yeah, some of it. I'll
try to keep up with some of it, but there's so much guy,
you know that's already came up with everything. But yeah, yeah, so
I had to just put my window down there it's absolutely roasting. Oh yeah,
we had to sign that. Mark sitting in his car, he's found.
One thing I found very interesting was Sean Kapatrick, who did who was
the director of Arrow. He did analysis on the new Fact data set.
The new four AC are an organization in America, and they've got phenomenally good
data set it and a lot of data scientists, a lot of data analysts,
people within the data community. They've had hundreds of submissions of how they
would analyze the data. Some people using the eye, other people using more
conventional analysis techniques. But Sean Kirkpatrick and to other people analyze the data and
they use predictive analytics too on a very specific subset of the data, and
it was just it just didn't seem right. It seems that using predictive analytics
too, it was to find out things like tree lines and see if this
could be like it could be obscuring the quality. It was a very obscure,
very specific subset of the data, of the of the data set,
and using predictive analytics to come out with an answer almost sounds to me like
they were setting the experiment up to fail in the first place. Yeah,
it was almost like to say, yes, we don't have anything to see.
However, the way they've kind of gone about look at the question kind
of saying that they weren't wanted to find anything in the first place. I
found that very interesting. There was a number of a number of issues with
the way that could have conducted it. I wouldn't use predictive analytics on the
on the Cagle data set, and the majority of people, even though many
of them are reading junior data analysts, very few of them are actually using
predictive analytics. When they're using AI. They're using things like which called NLP,
which is natural language processing, and they're using it for like sentiment analysis.
They're not actually really using it for trying to predict predict answers for example,
or predict insects into the UFO phenomena. So it was almost like it
was set to fail. That's the just say. They might be doing two
different sets, yeah, a lot, one for the public consumption and then
doing another one for their own consumption. They could be certainly yeah, I
don't really go down very much with the government conspiracies, David, So,
I don't really know. The one thing I would probably say is that AI
is very much dependent or any form of data analysis, but AI in particular,
if you're wanting to get insights now, you need quality data, you
need a lot of it, and they have vast amounts of different censors all
around the world, so certainly they have the data there, whether or not
they've got the ability to capture and process the data and then apply it to
AI models. I really don't know. My suspicion is I think somebody somewhere
is doing something, but I really couldn't tell you that I haven't heard anything.
David, No, it was a very interesting subject that I must say
when you sort of think about the why I asked, say, yeah,
the connection between official intelligence and adiens is I would think that the very futuristic
ideas will probably use artificial intelligence. You much, that we will do very
much in the future. Oh yeah, And to be honest, we use
AI now. And the one thing I'd probably say as well is you and
me and the vast majority of your listeners people listening to this show have been
touched in THEI in some way without even knowing it, and we've been relying
upon AI in many different ways for many years. The one thing I'd say
is that AI is not just one thing. It's not just one program.
It's a bast array of different types of technologies. The Wikipedia, for example,
and have the best description where it says it's a broad sense of broad
spectrum of technologies or something like that or something to that effect, and that's
exactly what AI is. It's a it's a massive spectrum of different types of
technologies and we have somehow intermingled with AI in some way. And a columic
example is if you're writing an email to a friend and you go hello,
and all of a sudden, your friend's name appears on in predictive text.
That's the form of a Even your banks they will be there. There's different
there's very that the biggest family is machine learning, but underneath machine learning there's
numerous other families like generative AI, which is like chat, GDP, Dolly,
Sora and all those sort of things. But there's also other types of
technologies called unsupervised learning, and they're really good for like a normally detection.
So your banks will be using them to see that there's nothing ontoward in your
bank account, for example, so as if it's any of their business,
well, for most of it it will be to protect protect your account.
So if you say, for example, you may have purchased and costa and
then five minutes later you somebody makes a purchase in China, so it's not
all there could be misuse of it, and certainly it wouldn't be surprised.
However, for the most part it is actually to protect us and and for
our benefit. But yeah, he I can and is used in all sorts
of ethical and non ethical manners. Yeah, and also I think for the
best to protect themselves because if something comes up as a fro, they usually
have to play it anyway, don't I So, so they're protecting themselves in
the end. Oh yeah, they'll they'll be protect themselves. This has no
doubt about that, David, Okay, I mean as far as idiens and
UFOs. Girl, have you ever seen UFOs yourself? Yeah, so that's
how I got into it. I live in a in a city called Dundee.
So Dundee is that there's four major cities in Scotland and Dundee is the
fourth and smallest of major cities. Very pretty as I understand that, I've
never been there. I've been in Scotland, but I've not been the Dundee.
It's definitely getting better. It used to be a very in the eighties
nineties, it was getting a bit run down. However, nowadays it's it's
looking phenomenal. It's and it's a real joy. I actually don't live there
anymore. I live in Livingston, very close, very close to the dick
Wood dickmand Woods incident. Yeah, Malcolm Robinson, Malcolm Robinson, I honestly
could walk my dog up there. We'll have a little talk about the incident.
The say much enough about that one. Yeah, yeah, I know
quite well. But yeah, going back to my experiences. My first experience
was nineteen ninety one. It was about winter timers, when the nights were
dark. So I'm going to imagine be October November type of time. And
we used to have a dog called Clyde, Clyde the dog, and I
had to take him out for a walk and thanks a flash. It was
just like a imagine a camera flash, David, and then one and then
this white disc just right over and just kind of start hovering over my neighbor's
house, maybe only about fifteen feet maybe even ten feet over the over the
house. And it wasn't a perfect hover. I think it was darting about.
And from there light was coming through and my neighbor's house is white,
and you see the light is flashing the reflecting of the of the of the
white white house and I was just watching it for a while and I went
in. I had a friend of mine, he came in, he came
out, and we just watched it together. And that was the first one
I had a hud. About twenty to thirty sightings they started ninety six,
I've I actually got followed down the street by UFO and was It was okay
at the time, but for days afterwards, the workind of security like this
had twenty six and lights were going I was December ninety six as well,
and they got the security likes and just they just start to come out of
that time. They were going off and on in my neighbor's garden. I
was so frightened just to walk out of the house. And then I saw
a massive space of them. Between night seven ninety eight ninety nine, I
had a really intense encounter David where I wasn't a UFO per se, but
I had this feeling, a very strong feeling David that something was there.
And there's a bit of a waste ground where my parents lived. I had
a feeling huff to go in there. And when I went in there,
the clouds started moving really quickly. It was imagine like you're watching something on
YouTube and you just fast forward it and you see the clouds going really what
was exactly like that? And then one part of the sky sky turned this
purplish blue color, this part of the sky turned this reddish pink, and
in between this white lightness came through. And I'm going to be completely honest,
I was so scared. I am never to this day being as scared
as I was when I was not. Just the fear of the vulnerability,
the feeling of being alone was just so overwhelming. I had to get out,
David. I just had to get out of that waste ground. And
as soon as I got out, I got a it was like a strong
feeling saying you were not meant to leave that, leave leave there. It
was almost like we had something to do. Well. They had another sighting
in two thousand and two and then there was nothing. And then over and
above that, David, I would some of the sightings were quite often.
You see them maybe every night, for example in the late nineties, and
you come back and be poltuguice activity in the house. It was like,
for goodness sake, let's have some peace. But what was really if it's
okay, just to finish off the story, I was living a town in
five in twenty sixteen and we're just ended up needing to go and we just
found out my wife was pregnant and we needed a new house. And Alison
Dunlop had organized a SkyWatch at a place hold eight seventy which or next to
a reservoir called harper Rig. And harper Rig is very close to where I
lived, and I was about five miles away. I can see the hills,
and the hills are really important because when we went to the site,
Alison and I soon actually Alison just wrote a new book, and both of
us were seeing like this black energy from the hills and it was it was
quite intense, and Alison got a feeling like you you should not be there,
You need to leave this place. Anyway, I went back home and
start having these really weird dreams. David like it was almost like saying,
well, we've kind of given up on you and you've come looking for us.
And I went back to Dundee, and Dundee is there's a river just
a very bottom of end of Dundee called the River Tay. It's the longest
river in Scotland and it has the most outputs, the most water of any
river in the UK. So so there's a lot of rivers in England that
are longer than it. The munt A volume of water that goes through the
Tay is actually much much more than any other river. And I was just
over the water and this I was almost like a miniature sun at night just
appeared. It was about January time, David, and just have just appeared.
You can see the reflection. It was like a I was like,
oh my goodness, and that that was the last time. But ever since
that, and even to this day, I still get syncing. It says
when about harper Rig, it's just incredible and it's silly thing like a bottle
dog. Jarvis my best friend in the world, David, And you look
at the pedigree records and is granted and then the name is harper Rig.
And they just little things, little coincidences like that happened all the time.
Ended up moving to to Livingston, and we had no intention of moving to
Livingston. It was always going to be in Dundee or Fife. So there's
been a phenomenal amount of uf activity and paranormal activity. But I've got to
meet nowadays, I really don't see much and the occasional synk mis city or
occasional or but nothing much anymore. Mm hmm. That's very interesting though.
I mean there's been quite a lot of activity in Scotland. There's an understanding.
I mean I know Roland Header as well, of course his book UFO
Scotland. Yeah, but I've actually got it in front of me, to
be honest. But also we've got the well as you mentioned earlier, that
well Deckmond Woods UFO, from which Malcolm Robinson has written a book about.
When we were talking about I I didan' artificial intelligence a little while ago,
there seems to have been some sort of artificial intelligence involved in that event,
would you say, I really don't know them. Yes. So where I
live is a time called Livingstone, and the best way to describe it is
almost like a commuter town to Edinburgh. There's a busy motorway that links Edinburgh
to Glasgow called the Emmy so whenever and basically what happened is that between Edinburgh
and Glasgow is almost like Towntome twntometown and the living seems to be the bigger,
one of the more bigger ones out of that a succession of times.
And I'm only about fifteen minutes away from the airport, and there's quite a
lot of activity that happens around here. The most famous sightings, for example
bonnie Bridge, a seventy incident where watching the bonny Bridge. Yes, that's
a very big incident. Also everyone's probably heard of that as well all over
the world. And also Dickment. So Dicment Is is incredible. It's a
really really incredible place and I really am up there all the time. What's
funny is that I do speak to people, and I do speak to dog
walkers, and the majority of them are like, we don't know much about
the UFOs or anything like that. But occasionally I'll get speaking to a dog
walker and they'll say, yeah, we've seen something. And not much happens
there anymore, but certainly in times gone by, when you go to one
of Malcolm's events, you get speaking to people, and certainly there were there
are a lot of people, not just Bob Taylor, have seen things there.
The reason why I say I don't think I don't know about AI is
for anybody it doesn't know. The case that happened in November nineteen seventy nine
and Bob Taylor was a honest member of the community. He was a forestry
worker and a World War two veteran and Dickment Hill there's a very young woodland.
It was almost six saplings when Bob Taylor was there, and this UFO
like a dumb bell, like half bell shaped a ufo kind of phased in
and out of reality and then two minds like objects landed on the ground and
rolled over and grabbed him. Mister Taylor lost consciousness and then we woke up.
Everything gone. I do know a lot around Livingston's now been living here
for a number of years, and not one of them have said that mister
Taylor's been dishonest. Every single one of them have said yeah, because it
was a thing that the police said that he was. Probably he might wrather
have been drunk or just turning law, isn't they That was the story that
was going around. Well, the twice I've seen I've met the policeman who
investigated the case, and this is one that I think it's the only case
in the UK which been investigated by the police, and the police did a
phenomenal job and no word of a lie. Almost to This is almost quoting
verbatum. They were saying the I can't remember the name of the police officer
BA says something to I'm like, I don't believe in UFOs, but any
of the skeptics explanations are actually even more outlandish. Mister Taylor been abducted.
Basically, he believed Robert Taylor was abducted, and the investigation was excellent.
The things that they did, for example, let track like doing the Caterpillar
type of tracks. They investigated almost every form of vehicle that could leave those
tracks in Westbodian, the region that I live in, and it's nothing matched.
So the police really did believe him, and they did a phenomenally further
job. It wasn't just leaving this guy and just like yeah, yeah,
we'll look into that, throwing to do list that will never be done.
It was a further investigation and a very good investigation as well. Yeah.
I think it might well have been the newspapers that were making meant to be
a lawyer. You know, probably it's on you. He's making things up.
But of course we're going back to nineteen seventy nine when there were poo
pooing just about everything about the the UFOs not so much nowadays so that I
still do it. But I think Becky Naughty simply know. And it was
the thing. It was just a complete science fiction, wasn't it. Oh?
Absolutely absolutely yeah, if you if you don't mind as well, it's
just about the area I living west LORI one thing myself and another chap have
been looking at, and the other chaps maybe a bit more. I had
a bit more prominence, a bit more visibility than I do. Chap called
Chris Meek, and Chris is a phenomenal researcher. If anybody wants to look
at the Scottish per normal podcasting. Sorry to do a plug for a friend
of mine, but yeah, yeah, go ahead. He's done a lot
of research. We've been looking at an old cairn called Kirn Papal, which
roughly translates as cairn of the Eye, and it's in the Basket Hills and
we're just even the local Facebook groups speaking to people, people reporting. We're
getting so many reports, it's just incredible. It's Kirn Papal seems to be
certainly the more busier place nowadays in Scotland. Sorry, well, how do
you spell that right? I'm dyslexic, so my yeah, so I live.
I live in the Unpied Kingdom. According to a lot of my application
forms, it's C A I R N P P L E, so it's
almost like Apple, but you leave the A from it right and it's you're
not very Google. I just did a bit of Google and have a look
at that. Yep, there's there's a number of cases there, and in
around that area another place very close to it, almost like walking distances of
place called Raven's Craig. There was an incident in the eighties and eighty eight
with a almost like a big foot sighting called of the of somebody called the
Silverman of being like and I spoke to somebody who during lockdown had a second
encounter with that Silverman being as well. It's not just Ken Papple, but
there seems to be a number of locations in this area it's called the Basket
Hills where people are experiencing ghosts UFOs unusual type being such as Yuett's Ferries.
It seems to be phenomenally active. So while we still hear about things in
bunny Bridge and in around that area, it seems to be that the more
the epicenter seems to be the city called the Basket Hills, and King Papple
in particular seems to be incredibly busy. Yeah, I've heard that there's a
big Foot stories going around. It's your thoughts on the fact that some of
these beings might be coming through a dimensional postals some sort, and it's a
bit it's a dimensional beings, you know. I'm not a subscriber to interdimensional
theory. So there was a really good book by academic as Japanese American scientist
canu Or Kaku, sorry, and he wrote a book called Hyperspace back in
ten years ago or so, and it's a phenomenally good book. He's written
science in a way that even somebody like myself could understand, and that that's
a real achievement. David him, I'm going to have to you and my
both. Yeah, And what what you was talking about is how dimensions work.
Basically, where the Big Bang happened, there's I think there's ten dimensions.
So it's been ten years since I've read this, So there was ten
dimensions and they're all roughly the same size. And then shortly after the Big
Bang happened, the first tree dimensions length with breadth, they kind of broke
out. Then the other sixth time other rest them kind of other seventy time
and everything else kind of did their own thing, and then time then kind
of flipped back and came into join the other three, and then other six
kind of got been normally compressed. Now where I have problems with the interdimensional
theory is that we can our eyes, can see our eyes, our ears,
our sense, we can sense length, bread whether we can sense our
environment. We don't really have a sense of time. We have to have
a clock or something like that. Then the dimensions between time and the other
three dimensions are so vast that even something as simple as as that it seems
to be phenomenally different. And now we're talking about the other six dimensions that
are even more unusual, even more compressed. And I'm just thinking, how
would an entity like a gray or a being like the Pascadola, how would
they survive in that sort of dimension. And but then they'd have to almost
like change in more for become something different to interact. We would be so
would be so different that things like the hybrid hybrids would be unlikely, just
the way that we would take in a gen and expell waste. It would
be so different. So I'm not a big fan of it. Yeah,
I mean, I can see what you're saying, but could you not sort
of except that maybe we have our tunnel of vision is very very small,
and there's there could be other things that are going on without with outside of
our our vision range if you like, our frequency. So maybe it's not
dimensional at all. It's all going on at once, if you see what
I mean. I'm very open too that. Yeah, I mean, we
were you. I think we use it. The dimensional is the fact that
it's because it's it's something that we can't see, so it makes it outside
of our dimension. But it could well be that things are all going on
all around us, but we just can't see it because of our our vibrational
range of our vision. Certainly, certainly I can believe that, David.
And I'm maybe being a bit facetious in my argument as well. What I
would say is that it's I'm very open to that possibility. There's a really
good book by a guy called Ras and Burke called The Simulated Universe, and
he goes into quantum computing, multiple AI all that, all that good stuff,
and I'm a little bit confused when he gets to the quantum computing of
work to meet. But one of the things he's looking at is things like
the Mandela effect. And also he's looking at things like like Philip K.
Dick, who did Man in the High Castle and you know who? And
according to Philip K. Dick, he believed that he wasn't just these different
domains, these different universes actually existed, things like this actually did happen.
He also believed that in the if you ever seen that movie with I think
it's Emily Blunt and Matt Damon the Just Went Bureau where they be like these
sort of like men and black style figures. Oh yes about yeah through Yeah,
Well, he believed that that these sort of beings that were controlling things
were actually real and he'd actually interacted with them. So yeah, I believe
that there's something like that, like alternative universes, and I also believe that
there could be Certainly, I think it's likely that there will be things like
underlying structures to our own universe. And certainly I've been listening to a few
podcasts that We're scientists are coming in and saying when they're trying to understand consciousness.
For example, they just seem understand how consciousness is replicated, and they've
come to the conclusion that there's something beyond this universe can reptic conscious and then
bring it into our realm or our sphere of existence. So yes, I'm
very open to that two different universes or or things like my bas different things
within our within our own universe that we're just not able to see or understand.
Yeah, unless something happens, like there's a lack of potal outs of
some sort. And this is where I believe some of these beings could be
coming from. Uh, they sort of vibrate in and then vibrate back out.
Okay, you know, this is why I think sometimes when your theory,
but so that when we may well see them or they get they become
visible to some people, same as UFOs. I mean some people describe that
I see UFOs straight above their house, but nobody else'll say them, you
know, yeah, yeah, I mean I have I have excuse me,
sorry, my my my car is going a bit. That's what I just
playing it for. I was playing. Actually it's funny with the with the
computers and a third of all electronics in your third of the cost of a
car normally is the electronics within the within your car, and somewhere you thinking,
come on, guys, what do you need that for? Yeah,
No, it looks like I'm gon sitting there the space ships and things over
It's like, yeah, yeah, sorry, I lost track of them.
They lost the track of the conversation there, David. Yeah, we were
just I think it's just talk and rembot a super self there. It's something
about uh, then if any listeners are listening, So thats what we were
talking about, don't Yeah, but yeah, certainly coming back to things like
universities, so that's where we were also at universities. I think the thing
was these things could be pupping popping in the in and out of dimensions,
and so this is why they have become visible. But I've known several people
have said they say UFO is a lot about their house, but of course
not everyone else is saying, we're living around them. So those UFOs must
become visible to just those people, you know. I think there's two parts
to it. And the reason why I say this is I've had I've researched
a lot of the UFO cases, and I've also witnessed a number of UFO
cases as well. Now, I've had one incident where it's almost the best
way to describe it is Spider Man's got this like Spidey sense, they kind
of know something's about to happen. I sometimes get that when it's like something's
in the area and I can I can't see anything, I could just know
they're there. One case where that happened where and the guy next to me
and just I just knew they were there. And the guy next to me
who had he had some motor damage and he was saying, there's a craft
right above her heads. And even I and I'm quite sensitively these things couldn't
see it. So I think they have I think there's three parts to it.
I think first of all, they can allow us not to see them.
The second part is I had the case where I was with somebody and
the person I was with didn't see it until I actually pointed out to them
to say, look, do you see that over there? And they saw
it, but it was only through me guiding them there that they were able
to see it. Were almost like it was outside of their perception. And
when I spoke to them before afterwards I was like, they weren't really that
bothered. And the last one, and I know this for a fact that
the people are very close to me. Husband and wife went out and the
husband saw the UFOs and went out with his wife and next day the UFOs
were still there and she can't remember seeing them. So it's almost like they
have the ability to help not let them see us. They almost like not
really recognize them, and even we do recognize them, we do see them,
then you might not even remember. So whether that's something that they're doing
or as a part of our memory, I really don't know. But certainly
the ball is in their court whether or not they want want you to see
them or not. Yeah, I've heard that several times. I mean,
they seem to be able to talk at your vision somehow, don't they,
you know, talk perhaps what you say with your brain or something. I
don't know what the how are they doing it? But yeah, I really
don't know is but certainly I can sometimes when when I have not had a
UFO experience now for about eight years, actually over eight years, and before
that was all the number of years before that, but certainly when they were
frequent, I remember almost knowing that it was see a UFO before to see
them. So whether they setting me up to see them or not, or
setting my vibrations up, I don't know. I think I really love the
idea of and I'd like to explore more things like lay lines and energy lines.
So I'm just about to start doing a bit of dowsing, but a
few dowsing rods and I'm doing a dowsing group on in me so for a
for a place in Glasgow. So certainly become an attuned to energy lines.
And like you're saying before, Ron Holliday, is it's very interesting these things.
I think there's a lot of scope in that. I feel that there
may be not just the person but the place as well added up. I
think that's certain places will have certain energies that could be harnessed by whatever,
and these are the places that are likely to see UFOs or ghosts or or
whatever. Absolutely, you know. I mean, I had Maria Weekly on
this show just last week. You've heard of Maria Weekly because she's one of
the top delsers of the country, if not the top delcer. No,
I can't say I've been less than I've been reading a few downs in Scotland.
There's a really interesting guy from Creef who's written a few books and he's
he's the guy that's really got me interested in dowsing. But no, I'll
have to I'll have to look her up and find out more about her.
She she does an awful lot of work, maindly around Stonehenge and you've probably
heard a stone Henge and Avebury and things like that. Yeah, but usually
monolists. But she's been to Egypt and everything that. But yeah, Maria
Weightly, she's absolutely brilliant. She's she actually does dlsing courses of her own,
you know, she runs them. But it sounds it sounds really good
and I highly recommended. Yeah. I love standing stones. I love I
feel we're really lucky in the UK that you don't have to go far to
see an ancient site. And I think sometimes we sometimes overlook them, will
drive past them, or but see the fact that there's these sets that have
been put there five thousand years ago. Yeah. Absolutely, and all the
old churches and things, which you're fascinating. Yeah, well here's one that
I've been really interesting. Remember the I've spoken about two incidents. I talked
about the a seventy instant and also Cairn Papal. Like Cairn Papal is a
is a henge. It's unusual Unlike Stonehenge, this henge is actually up in
the air, up in the up on a hill. Mostly henges are kept
on the ground, but this one is is unusual. There there seems to
be a lot of lay lines around there and that's where people seem to see
a lot of UFO's. But the one that's really stand out is Harper Rigg
the a seventy incident where there is the hills that both myself and Allison saw
that black energy on their name is actually called East Cairn and West Cairn,
and both of them have five thousand year old cairns actually on the top of
the hills. When they sort of go down and they reach an old castle,
it's derelict, it's ruined, called Cairn's Castle. Oh yes, yeah.
And what have been really interesting is there's a saw on a website,
so it must be true. But that's where the name of Cairns from Australia
got its name from from this castle. Certainly, I think like castles,
churches do seem to be maybe places that have been even older or places of
worship. I've been even older than that, and people put castles or or
churches on there and kept on going. A very very interesting place is called
denino Den, just outside of Saint Andrew's and they actually have It's only about
a mile or two outside of the city of St Andrews, where famous for
golf and where Princes William went to for university. And donino Den has a
church. It's still a working church and right next to the church is a
I have millennia old pagan site and this the energy there is incredible. They've
got a car carvings of a green man for example, actually in the rock,
and it's just just a phenomenal place. So certainly I agree with you
that a lot of churches and a lot of castles will have been sites of
far older and far more mystical places, and they've just been built up over
the centuries in the millennia. Ye. The fascinating thing he's heard the ancients
now about all these places and the why they're all lined up all over and
I actually line up all over the world, don't they. Well one thing
I did a talk in twenty nineteen on places in Scotland, particularly like haunted
places in Scotland. And one thing that somebody did say was you can sometimes
find connections if you look for them. So safe example, if you wanted
to look at all the old police boxes within or old telephone boxes within London,
you'd be able to find it a line somewhere from it. So I
do feel that sometimes you have to put a bit of salt within the Yeah,
I can see what you're mean. Yeah, I will tell you one
place I find absolutely fascinating. Now I think everybody knows, as has listened
to or watched the movie The Da Vinci Code, Yes and read the book,
is what was fascinating and Rosslyn Chapel. Honestly, folks really go to
it. It's incredible. However, what is really fascinating is we're talking about
henges, is that the Rose line actually then keeps on going up and it
goes through an old henge, another hene called Balpark Henge. And this is
someplace that's now and it's completely forgotten about. Almost nobody really would know about
it. But the line does go through this set still goes through this henge,
and the henge is still there to the state, it's over five thousand
years old, and it's just I find this place really interesting. There's a
number of ancient churches and at least one ancient church sorry, two stone circles,
and I get the distinct impression that there's an energy circuit still active in
that area, and there's quite a lot of paranorm activity that actually happens in
there around that area. It's it's the place in particular, it's called mark
Kinch that's where a lot of paranormativity happened. And the reason why I'm so
interested in it is I lived in Markings for ten years and the house I
lived in was extremely haunted. And just last week I got a UFO report
from nearby and a nearby thing called Star. Of all places, it's actually
the place is actually ginging called Star, and I'm fallowing that up and investigating
it. So I find I find that sort of line that's sort of coincidence.
Still, though I take a pinch of salt to it, I do
feel that there is at least some credits and truth, certainly in certain places
like the Rose Line, and certainly there are certainly unusual places like that in
around the UK. So yeah, certainly is in five for example, there's
there's a lot happening in this time, caled markings again, big cat sightings,
UFO's paranormal activity and selling them. Pray keep my eye out in that
area. Yeah, it's been a few years since I've been to Scotland.
It might makes me feel local one only to count take a trip again.
Oh yeah, where did you go to? Did you go to? We
we went to foot with you and it went all around Scotland, basically right
up to the top, around the round the locks, everything for a couple
of weeks. We took the dogs with us, so that was a bit
of a nightmare when I were puppies, but but they were very good now.
But yeah, it was fantastic Scotland. There's a very really beautiful place.
Apart from the middies. Oh yeah, that the middies are if b
doesn't live in in the UK. They're light mosquitos, but there are a
lot more. They're a lot smaller. Oh god, I get all in
your hair and everything. Oh it's terrible, crushing your head. And I
found one place like that in America. Actually went through Apper Mettals where I
visited there, and that was just like Scotland with a little siny imdges and
they were getting in your hair. And even older buildings. They've got an
old like town there. That's where they finished the Civil war, actually Appa
Matos, that's where they signed all the documents and everything. But they've got
like a like an old town there, and they've even got like like doorways,
the special doorways to keep the midges out, you know. But it
was I'm going off, going off of the tangent. But all I'm saying
is they were the same the same sort of midges that you and you can't
stop them, you know, they're just everywhere. Yeah, mosquito nets that
there's a lot smaller than than mosquitoes. So mosquito nets just don't work.
You actually have to get a protective netting just for middi's. And I remember
what my wife and I like to travel around Scotland, and I specially love
to see things like ancient stone circles or ancient carens for example. And I
remember going out going one place one day and I remember seeing nobody else outside.
My wife's Polish and she said I'm going outside and went, no,
I just don't and she went, I won't be that bad I've had mischaitos
before. I'm like, okay, I've tried to stop you. And honestly,
David, five minutes afterwards she was she was back in believe. They're
merciless, they're Oh my god, my eyes actually watering up to seem thinking
about them. Now, I just get get away. You're you're always and
everything the ever experience that you know exactly what we're talking about. Fortunately,
so they are further north, and yeah, of the Scottish population do tend
to stay in the what's called the Central Belt. I think it's about eighty
five percent of the population actually stays in the Central Belt. So that starts
off and almost in where I'm from, Dundee and then goes right through to
Glasgow and it's about eighty ninety miles of and that's where the vast majority people
are. So yeah, we we don't deal with Midge's but oh yeah,
well we did. We did also another trip up to Edinburgh Castle, which
was fantastic. Yeah, so fantastic history there. Oh, Edinburgh's just beautiful.
If you go on Prince's Street and you live this place, like I
think New York and Edinburgh, they just they just stand out just incredibly beautiful.
And the castle as well is just that the backdrop of is stunning.
I do love it Edinburgh. I don't go in the town as often as
I as I used to do, but certainly I do love to go to
Edinburgh and Glasgow as well. I think everybody seemed to go to Edinburgh,
but Glasgow's got a lot of charm, a lot of the magic. Yeah,
Pains of Glasgow was well. I did come to one of the UFO
comperence is a few years back when when Peter Robbies was there. Okay,
yeah, that was twenty eighteen before it, Okay, it's off. Yeah,
I remember that day well. And one thing I'd have to say as
well is that was two and fifty, wasn't it. No, I think
that was. I think that's twenty eighteen because Faulkirk was twenty seventeen, so
it was two. It was before that anyway. Now we won't argue about
it, but yeah, you could be wrong. I thought it was a
bit earlier, isn't it. I've got to meet though, I remember that
and it wasn't meant to be Peter that was speaking. However, I thought
Peter was en normally good that it was supposed to be. I'm not going
to mention the other person's but it was supposed to be the trom speaking,
you know. So anyways, that's sort of in the past and he's been
proven, it's been proven what he is and everything. So yeah, they
I've got to say as well, Allison does most organizing. It's a it's
a trio of Malcolm, Ron and Alison, and Allison does so well,
really well, and Ron as well, what's hard, and so is Malcolm.
They all work very, very hard and they do a lot, and
it's a bet it's a better underappreciated, especially Alison because Braun and Malcolm they're
they're a bit better known and they're phenomenally good at what they do. Alison
is is the real workhoorse for the conferences and she just yeah. And also
you've got Malcolm living back up with Scotland, the guy there because when I
came, when I when I do, you would have been down in the
high Stings. Yeah. Now he's going to gone back to his home THEND.
He's back, and to be honest, David, it's been an absolute
blessing to have him here, I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, it's the
one thing I would say about Malcolm is he's he's very charismatic, as I
think everybody knows. He's very energetic, and he's starting to organizing sky watchers
for example, and organized little knights like for example SPI fortieth anniversary. The
fact that he's doing these things, he's getting people together, he's getting the
community together, and it's a it's a real blessing to have that and have
somebody like Malcolm to do that, because it does take a lot of energy.
Probably you'll you'll know yourself that all the organization, the people would we
see the five percent that's going to be visible, but all the things behind
it. I did all I got going as the conference myself. And it's
not easy. No, No, I can imagine. I really can imagine,
and in fact welcome did speak a downy Woodbridge your suff it. Yeah.
I've spoken twice at SPI. I spoke once on Ai and the Aliens
and another one I spoke on haunted Scottish properties. And I made a point
of actually going to every property I spoke about and spoke to the staff,
spoke to people who were who have actually experienced things there, and all the
photographs, took photographs of the place and it was a phenomenal experience. But
two, it would be easier for me just to go online and take a
few a few stories and felt out it's ingenious. Well, and I think
that sells shout for the future. You can talk about you'll hold your properties,
that you holded locations. Yeah, and yeah, well thanks for having
me on today though, David. It's been a pleasure. Everything. The
time has gone very quickly. I must say we've jumped about a little bit,
but it's been fantastic conversation. I must say a little bit of fact.
I want to talk about that deck Woods incident for people out there.
There was a strong piece of evidence as to what happened with what was his
name, his name it was, it was Robert Taylor. Robert Taylor.
That's right. Yeah, Malcolm's got his torn trailsers, isn't he, Because
what happened in that attack, he he kind of fell over and these things
that run over him. Basically he tore his trailsers or foremost. Yeah,
absolutely, and they so they've got the evidence and these are like I've seen
them several times. These are really thick trousers. They are. Yeah,
they wouldn't tear, is you when you look at the threads that there was
like a lot of tearing and you want, I mean to tell on the
wide ideas if you fell out offense or something, you'd might like a little
bit of a pole on it. You wouldn't rip them though, Why they
were ripped no way? And they were actually I said they actually the police
actually put them in for analysis and the analyst came back with only some sort
of specially only some sort of mechanized equipment could have done that sort of rip,
So highly highly unlikely that it's going to be he caught his his trousers
and bad wire. It's like he was trying to get away from something.
And I think that was strong evidence as to the you know, the suppose
that, Yeah, I strongly believe that, Like I know that area really
well, David, I am. And there's no bad wire. There's I
can't think of anything that could maybe a twig, maybe brushing against a twig
or something like that, but sharp er. But what might that rips is
the why I were will die? Yeah. Probably. You can probably see
the picture of the trousies on on the on the internet. Somewhere. I
would think I've actually held them three times. Watch about a month ago,
and he brought the he brought the trousers out and to show everybody. The
other thing, I would say that the evidence is the that's sort like the
caterpillar marks are really distinctive because it is exactly where Robert Taylor said that happened,
and there was no other form of a vehicle that could make that specific
type of indentation within on the ground. So unless the other tree decided to
have a really heavy helicopter and I don't really hunching nooks back in the seventies,
but say that they did, they'd have to have an unusual type of
vehicle that landed when I attacked some guy who was just doing his job,
and then came back flew back up again without anybody else seeing it. And
that's highly that's highly unlikeening note as well, it would make a hell of
a noise. The other thing as well is both Ron Halliday and Malcolm have
written books detailing the incident, and both of them have other witnesses and around
that area. It wasn't just it wasn't just that one day the day before
there's a there's an old hospital and that place is in itself is unusual,
but there was a nurse there of that witness something. And you can actually
see Bangor Hospital all pretty much from where the with the the attack happened.
But also over around Livingston there's another place called belsh Quarry, which I'm very
close to right now. This is about four miles away. People were seeing
UFOs the week before in that area. They were all over and people have
been seeing UFOs for a long long time in around Dictment. But that instant,
that and day there was at least two bits of evidence with the caterpillar
tracks and the rip trowsers. So it's a very very compelling case. And
also one thing I'd have to say about the Dictment case more than anything else
is how well it was investigated. It was when I did my talk,
I I I actually had my dog on the on the slides and I said,
this is how we should be going about investigating what I What I'm trying
to say is that take away AI take away data analysis, look at having
the way, look at the way the police investigated. Do not they do
not report beliefs or to state to what happened when it happened, why it
happened, Who was there this fact in this a very specific way, And
that's what that's what we should be focused on, having very good, meticulous
reports. And that's going to be far more valuable to us than having the
eye and the dectment woulds case and and and the police comfortable that was investigating
it really did have the gold standard how investigation should happen. Sure. Yeah,
and I think we all give Malcolm's book a plug. B were at
it, so we were we're talking about it. It's called Decent Woods UFO
is sort of by Malcolm Robinson. It's a fourhounds of page book for anyone
that is interested out there. It's a fantastic cause. So it's a fantastic
book. Yeah. And Malcolm, I've got to say I've read that,
I've purchased the book. It's it's very it's very well research. Malcolm has
done a phenomenal good job, phenomenally job on it. Yeah. I think
you can get it on Emason. You can get it all the books.
Yeah, I've got on Kindle, so you can definitely get it. And
then you get it on kindles. Yeah, I've got to Kindle. It's
a phenomal, phenomally well research book. So how do you think it were?
King? Do you can't get him signed? Can you? No?
A funny story. I actually thought I was ordering Alison Dunlop's new book,
Another plug and another plug because I'm actually in it. But yeah, we'll
come you give it, give it a plug. What's it called? Mystic
Visions by Allison Dunlop. And I actually thought I was ordering the paperback version
and I ordered the kindle vashion instead. I was really it was actually hoping
for Alison to sign it. So yeah, two degrees and two diplomas in
computing and I still can't figure out how to use Amazon. So Mays,
you got a gun and bought another one. There, I know. But
anyway, Mark, we must do this again with the Haulty locations next time,
because that would be that would be that's something that fascinates me as well.
Yes, well it would be be a pleasure to come on again in
a few months. Well, i'll give you a shout and we'll get you
back on again. Yeah, okay, well thanks thanks again, thank you.
I'll try not to have a cold this time. Yeah, that's anyway.
Take care of yourself. Actually coming on the market. We had a
pleasure talking to you, and good luck in all your future adventures. Yeah,
thank you, Thank you, David, thank you for your cheers.
Bye bye. There we are. That was Mark Anderson. Thank you Mark.
Very interesting. I'm sure we'll do something again in the future. Okay.
My next show is on the seventeenth of June, and my guest on
that particular show will be Constant's Victoria Briggs, and we're going to be talking
about earth skelectic history. So I hope you'll joined me for that one.
It sounds very interesting and i'll report back a little bit about my US trip.
As always, if you'd like to get in touch with me, my
email address is David Young two QN at your who dot co dot uk.
That's David Young two QN at your hoo dot co dot UK. So I
hope you'll join me on June seventeenth with Constance Victoria Briggs. That's a monthy
of course, as always, and once again we'll be talking about Earth's galactic
history. So there we are. So once again, thank you for listening,
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