The Paranormal Project Radio Show. Carry your hosts Scott Allen and Christina Bowen.
Hello, everyone, welcome back to the Paranormal Project Radio Show. My name
is Scott Allen. I am here with the very lovely non coughing and walking
Stina Bowling. I really haven't seen you all since we got home from San
Antonio from the lone Stop. It has been just recovering the whole time,
between pneumonia and the foot it's just been yeah, whatever, Glad to be
back here with you again. This is good. Tonight. We have Tim
Shaw on the show, so this is a recorded show. I want to
just say that because some people like to chime in onto the chat. This
is a recorded show tonight because Tim has his show at the same time we
have our show, so we had to do a recording. But I'm not
going to waste any time because I really do want to get Tim out here.
He's a psychic medium, author, speaker, paranormal investigator and collector of
haunted objects. So Tim, welcome to the show. Come on out.
How are you big guys? Thank you for having me on. It's a
thrill. You know what I heard all about that San Antonio trip. And
you know what, and the trip Literally when when I heard about all the
neat stuff that was going on in that location that you guys are at,
and people following, people getting pushed, the history behind it, other people
getting the same thing, I was like, wow, you know what,
maybe next year I might even join you guys. Well, as a matter
of fact, I already said, yes, I'm going to join you guys,
and you're gonna love it. I have insisted that we stay in different
location this time though. Sounds good. Yeah, you know what's it's so
true. It's so true. What you know what, what once you get
pushed, you just don't want to. Well me, I'm stupid. I
go back, you know. I mean, it doesn't buy it. I
have I have to poke the devil. That's my that's my whole thing.
It's like, what, really, it can't lightning can't strike twice? Bang?
Guess what we'll talk after because it did so Yeah, I heard,
oh I heard. And you know, it was a right place. It
was a great place. But it was quiet in that house all weekend.
I walked in the door. I was the first one there, and I
said, gee, it smells like a haunted house. Something soundings off.
It was quiet, and then and then Sunday night, I heard the gunshot
when we when I walked into my room. Find out later that the history
was that the gentleman had shot himself and that was in my room. And
then through the night, I wake up and I'm hearing sobbing, not just
crying, but a woman sobbing. I go check on everybody. Everybody sound
asleep. So yeah, we had coffee cups fly off the counter and all
kinds of stuff. That's my type of place, you know, watching it.
Go listen. It ain't a party until one of us gets knocked down.
That's the way it works. We'll invite you from hair on out,
tim and you can volunteer to be tribute. So you know what. This
past weekend, I was up at the Western Block in Lockport, New York.
And I've been there quite a few times, but I don't really get
a chance to investigate like the attic and stuff up there. And we got
a chance to get up there and you know, we're doing a live knock
right to the ground. I have I have a brushburn on my knee.
I haven't had a brushburn like that. Yeah. Yeah, since I was
probably a kid, you know. So it was kind of amazing because it
was just it was like something was trying to get me out of the way,
and they were talking about prohibition. This place had been like a you
know, like a speakeasy and maybe a brothel, they think. And what
I think what happened was whatever it was was trying to get past me to
get to the guy who was talking about it, and I happened to be
in the way, and I felt the most gentlest push. And I had
a heavy coat on because you know, here in western New York it's freezing
up here, and it I could feel the impact on my bicep and and
I had a sweatshirt on. I had the heavy coat on, but I
could feel it, and I could feel my body just kind of pushed it
aside. Next thing I know, I'm on the ground and it blew my
sneaker off, you know, and I'm like and it was untied. My
sneaker was untied, and I double not everything. You know, it's from
high school, you know, you always double not your sneakers. And I
was just like I was kneeling there. I started to laugh because I go,
what the hell, So I haven't. I haven't gotten pushed like that
in a few years, probably a decade. So it was great. I
love you know what that's that to me is you know what, People can
go and rip these things apart all they want, but I I can't explain
it. And that's what I thought was so amazing. So yeah, you
know what, that's the problem. The minute I hear something like that,
it's like, you know, maybe I should put my finger in that electrical
outlets. Yeah, I love to investigate with you. I'll bet it'd be
awesome. It's fun. It's fun. Are you up this? I'm the
side of Boston. You're in what the New York area? I'm out just
outside of Buffalo, what part of Boston. My family came from Dorchester and
Squana, the Swana Peninsula. Okay, I'm actually not in north of Boston
and Tewksbury, which is about like fifteen minutes. I know where Tewkesbury is.
That's on my way when I head up to visit relatives of Marblehead across
the Bay from Salem. There you go. Yeah, yeah, nice,
nice, I'm going to be And it's funny. We have on our live
show tonight we have the owner of the Do you know anything about the Enfield
Demon House in Connecticut? Have you heard about that? Yeah? I heard.
I heard a little bit about it. As a matter of fact,
somebody was up there and sent me some interesting pieces that the owner had given
them, and they felt that it was really like it was just like pieces
of wood, you know, just like I don't know if they were doing
repair or what. And they sent them to me because they didn't really they
were kind of afraid of them. So it's in the it's it's in the
collection. What can I tell you. But I've heard a little bit about
it. I've heard a little bit about it, and uh, it was
quite the Poultergeist case, That's what I understand. I'm going to be there
on Sunday. We're doing some filming for nice an event we're doing there in
April. But he's on the show tonight to talk about it. Awesome.
Awesome. See if you can sleep overnight, so you can sleep overnight there,
that'd be great. Well, I probably will stay there in April when
we do the investigation or the event, but you know, Sunday, it's
a it's a come and go kind of thing, but it'll be, It'll
be all right, it'll be interesting. Listen. I've fallen asleep in every
haunted location I've ever investigated. You know, it comes to it comes with
age. I'm not gonna lie. It comes with age. That's fair.
Hey, you collect a lot of unusual objects. Do you make any measures
to protect yourself? Yeah, well no, protect myself. No, I'm
I'm gonna be honest with you. Uh growing uh, you know, growing
up the way I did, you know, having relatives in the lily Dale
Spiritualist Assembly community and all that, I've had a lot of my training started
like I was, I was a kid, like nineteen seventy two, like
you know, that's when I first started. I see him, which is
the Sunday School. So I mean, basically it's like drummedn't you know?
You can do They a lot of them do the external stuff. But I
mean my mentors and that all drummed it into my head that it was all
within. So I really don't take any extra precautions for myself. Now.
The objects, I will tell you, I leave them usually leave them out
in the sunlight for about three or four hours. Sometimes I'll leave them out
overnight, depending on how nasty they say they are. And because that's that,
you know, that's something that I've I've talked to my buddy, Johnny's
afice about, you know, time and time and time again, just to
be on the safe side. And he's the guy that's got all the answers.
So I leave him outside. And then I have cases the stuff that
is a little I would say I would see a little bit on the fringe.
I have them actually behind glass, and then I have huge pieces of
selenite in there. And also I mean I've got I've got dirt from uh
the ed Greenhouse where the ed Gen House used to be, and I have,
yeah, I got I was I was given as a gift, uh,
you know, some dirt right from the actual spot where it was.
And so I mean I have things like that in there. So you gotta
gotta make sure. You've got to be a little bit more careful than that.
I mean, we get together. Asked Dana about me and jars of
dirt the side note to keep going, Hey, jars of dirt, you
know what's neat. I spent overnight at a place in Windburg, Pennsylvania called
the Grand Midway Hotel, and they have this unbelieve. First of all,
it's so eclectic, it's crazy. I astutely loved it. I stayed in
the Demon room and it was great because there the guy used to paint,
the guy who used to used to who used to live there. Uh,
you know in this room they used to rent rooms up painted all these demons.
And it was great because like at three o'clock in the morning, I
woke up and I forgot I had left the light on. All of a
sudden there was like this. I looked up and there was like this like
eight foot naked man at the foot of my bed. And then I had
a thing for a couple of seconds where I was listen, you know what,
I lived through disco, you know what I mean. You know I
lived through disco, So you never know what is Yeah, no judgment.
It happened. It happened, you know, but it was a painting.
But he has all these jars of earth and twigs and leaves from all these
wonderful uh uh great authors and actors and uh you know, really what a
collection. I love stuff like that because to me, that's as close to
that person as you're actually going to get in this day and day this day
and age. That's awesome. Yeah, so we'll talk about dirt. We'll
talk about dirt. We'll talk about dirt. We'll get the dirt on your
dirt, okay. And it was our first trip together too. It was
hilarious. I come out with carrying this dirt of dirt and she's like,
okay, data, are you even really a witch if you don't travel with
your own dirt? I mean, come on, you know, I mean,
I mean my friends I have. I have some eclectic friends up and
up in Ontario, Canada, and they are very very steeped in voodoo and
hoodoo traditions. So, uh, you know, graveyard dirt is very important
to them. And so I not that I'm a practitioner, now you know.
I mean, you know, you know, you know, I'm a
car carrying member of a of a national church, now you know. So
I'm not, But I do have I do have my I do have my
graveyard dirt, and I do have my pieces of broken tombstones in the four
corners of my HUF. You saw what was on the other side of this
camera, you would just shake your head. Do you follow spiritualism too?
I mean, I know you spent You mentioned lily Dale Spiritualist Union, but
you do follow Spiritualism as well big time. Yeah, that's you know what.
I was brought up Roman Catholic and modern Spiritualists and simultaneously. Yeah.
Yeah, Actually, because I went to a parochial I went to a prochio
school back in the day when the nuns taught you. And my father's family
were spiritualists, and so I spent a lot of time in the lily Dale
Assembly, So I mean, you know, and just to kind of like
calm us down on a Sunday where they could go and have coffee where they
didn't have to watch us idiots running around and taking our bicycles and running them
into tourists during the season and stuff. You know. They they enrolled us,
and I see them. So, which is a Sunday school. So
we spent a lot of time in Sunday school. And that's where I got
my first uh uh, my first education. And I'll be honest with you,
totally honest with you. If Catholicism had been taught to me in a
proper way, not just this book Catechism type crap, if they had gone
into the mysteries of the saints and the mysteries of the you know, of
miracles and and really had gotten into the real hidden stuff of Catholicism. I
probably still would have been like a card carrying member, you know, Catholic,
but uh uh the allure of uh of you know, of what was
on the other side of the veil, and the possibility of communication and and
I mean we believe like intercession of intercession of the other side Catholics people,
in the intercession of saints. You know, I had. I went to
a lecture once. It was the best lecture I've ever attended in my life.
Uh. The former excuse me, the former president of the National Spiritual
Association at church. He's married a a former Jesuit theologian who is teaching theologic
theology at Georgetown University. And he came in to speak. Was unbelievable,
unbelievable because he compared spiritualism and the spiritual nature of man to Catholicism. But
this was all stuff that you know, you didn't you know, you really
didn't hear a lot of you know, and it was amazing. And that's
why, you know, when I talked to a lot of people, uh
excuse me, people always say, well, you know, I'm a former
Catholic, and the way they say it, excuse me, I got a
frog in my throat here. They always say, oh, well, you
know, uh, you know this and that, and they always put in
a negative connotation, and I don't because you know what religion is religion,
it's man made. It's a spiritual nature behind it that you have to look
for, and to be honest with you, it's a beautiful religion, just
like almost all religions are. And you know, I always tell people,
I don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. You know, you know,
your spirituality is kind of keyed to what how you you know, how
you think and your philosophy and stuff. So it's a wonderful to me.
It's wonderful. I just wish more people would be a little bit more non
dogmatic when it comes to different religion. I get that. I mean,
I've described myself as a Catholic witch. If there is such a thing there
is, I blend that, oh yeah, you know, I blend what
I learned from my grandmother with what I learned in Catechism and at church and
all that. And you're right, when you get to the meat of it.
It is very beautiful. It is. And if you know what,
I'll be honest with you. A friend of mine is Estraga. You know,
it's Sicilian. She's a Sicilian witch. And if you told her grandmother,
first generation here in the US, you told your grandma, her grandmother
that she was away, she'd hit you with her broom. She'd knock you
right out of the house. And but she had folk ways, and that
all is witchcraft, all the folk ways. And that's what fascinates me.
You know, I got I got a chance to like actually even go to
like a snake handler's meeting, you know, and it was great. I
mean, to me, this stuff just fascinates me. And I don't get
a chance. I don't get a chance to get out that often, you
know, and and see this anymore. So you know, I'm terrible.
I'm like a little I'm like a raccoon seeing something that's shiny, I gotta
run over there and check it out. And when it comes to like religion
and that sort of thing, people that speak in tongues, I absolutely took
fascinating, just fascinating to me. And we can do that at Christina's house.
I mean, you've got snake handlers, right, Yeah, yeah,
that's awesome. So I've actually that would gather the snakes to take to church,
isn't it to me? It's amazing. Yeah, that's this gentleman said
to me. Come on, Tim, come on. We were in Virginia.
That's where we were in Virginia. Come on, come on, because
we're gonna go find us We're gonna go find us something fresh. And I'm
thinking, what the hell are you talking about? You know, it was,
you know, it was it was I forget what. I can't remember
if it was a rat. I think it was a copperhead. I'm not
sure, but uh, it was. I mean it was. It's it's
neat and they poison snakes and take them in. Oh yeah, and you
feel that energy when they're you know, when they're when when they're in the
moment, that energy hits you. Yeah. I almost I almost took them
up on and taking one, but I just no, I'm not. I'm
not a snake guy. Snakes and spiders I'm not really happy with. But
I'm not a reptile kind of girl. You know. Now, if it
had been like a poodle or something, yeah, I would have grabbed it.
You don't mean I'm a softy for the dogs. So that's it.
That's it. What kind of events have you got coming up? Well,
I've been seen a lot of posters going out, well, uh this this
ball. Probably by the time this comes up, it will be passed.
But I've got I'll be speaking about Victorian morning rituals. And I'm going to
be taking part of my collection out. You know, I'm gonna pack part
of it out and part of it a little bit of it out. And
uh, I've I've got all the hair jewelry and the hair memor memento mori,
you know, the stuff that's in the lockets, and and uh,
I collect all of that. I love all of that. I've got murder
bottles, the baby bottles that from the Victorian age that they used to have
their like flat and they're like, you know, just a baby bottle,
but they had a rubber They had the rubber hose that came up to the
nipple and the instructions said they had to walk shot the bottle. But you
know, oh, you don't have to wash out the rubber hose like once
every two weeks in the and the baby's got seck. You know a lot
of them passed away because of batulism and that sort of stuff. I have
a couple of those. Oh my god, I've got photographs of so many
women, uh from in mourning Victorian mourning garb. The only thing that I
don't collect, I'll be honest with you, I don't collect post mortem photos
because that, to me is I feel that it's important to save them,
but not to display them because I feel that it's very, very subtle.
It's very something that's very very it's it's almost private, you know, and
and that's something I just I don't like to, you know, somebody.
I just don't want to put those out. So that's that's something I won't
I won't display. But oh my god, yeah, I've got you name
it. I've got all sorts of stuff here. So it'll be that'll be
a lot of fun. And then I i'll be uh, I'll be where
am I gonna be? Oh my god, I'll be in Toledo, uh
for the for their cod And then of course I'm gonna be a Mansfield,
one of my favorite places. I'll be up there for that. And then
I'm gonna be in Virginia again this year outside of Richmond where I met you
guys the toll again. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I believe
Dana and I are going to be doing a seance in that's seventeen hundred,
so I think we've been talking about that. So I'm going to I've got
uh some seance gear here from you know, Victorian stuff, so I'm gonna
pack that and I think we're gonna bring that and we'll we'll see what we
can get. You know what happens because last because last year I kind of
sat down and I was just kind of fooling around and you can ask Dana.
We had our hands on the table and the table. You can feel
the vibrations starting to come up through come up through the table. I went,
oh, this is going to be interesting. So yeah, you know
it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be fun. Uh. And then you
know, I'm gonna be honest with you. I've got a couple of little
things that I've got I got planned, but my big one will be in
uh the end of August. I'll be up at the big Michigan Para count
but SUSA Michigan, and then I'll be there I'm taking I'll be honest with
you, I'm taking most of the of June, July, uh and the
beginning of August off because I've got I've gone. I'm planning on heading down
just to photograph Sleepy Hollow. I've got a bunch of invitations to go to
a lot of like haunted locations, a lot of historic urban legend type places
that I've been dying to go to. So, as you guys know,
probably no, I'm I'm an amateur. I'm an amateur photographer and videographer.
So I'm I'm reteaching myself how to use these cameras again because I haven't used
them in so long except watching all of that. Oh I love all that
stuff. So I'm gonna go out there and I want to photograph that.
I want to go go out and photograph different things. And I've got to
get I'm gonna be honest with you guys. I gotta sit down and i
gotta get like these fingers typing, because I've got like twelve, like twelve
chapters for my next book. All I want to say roughed out there.
They probably went through the first edit, and I got a few more I
want to put in, you know, and it's called the book is going
to be called stories I tell my friends. So this way, it's just
like not regional, because I do a lot of regional stuff, so I
read that regional. It's just I just these are my favorite stories I get
a chance to tell people. You know, I get all excited when I
get a chance to tell them. You know, Waverley where this you know,
we had a we had a doppelganger walk walk with us down a hallway
and then we then when the doppelganger disappeared, called on Milwaukee and the girl
who we thought was with us was actually in front of us in a group
that was in front of us. Things of that nature. That's cool.
That's the stuff that I love, or like when I used to do a
lot of Civil War research and reenacting. As you can tell. This is
my office, by the way, just to let you know, and this
is all this is. This is separate from the collection room. This is
all my Civil War memorabilia sitting behind me. But we did a a eighteen
mile march coming going from Harper's Ferry, West Virginia to Sharpsburg, Maryland.
Who to recreate the ap Hill March uh to get to the battle vent Teetum
of eighteen sixty two, and we stayed overnight on one of the staging areas
and we all found we all heard like a little drummer boy playing the long
role, which is which is a basic form of communication. And we all
heard it, but we heard it at different times, you know, we
did. I heard it first, like you know, like eleven thirty twelve
o'clock, and somebody else heard it one, somebody else heard it two.
And we asked the uh one of the park rangers that I knew that we'd
set up the set up the overnight, and he said to me, oh,
you heard a little lost boy, little boss drummer boy of Sharpsburg.
I said, come on, you can tell that to the tourists, you
know, tell that. You don't tell me that, you know, he
goes no people hear that all the time. And I talked to a couple
of people that stayed up there, like boy scouts, you know, boy
scout leaders and stuff, and they all heard it. So that that's stuff
like that amazes me, you know, And that's what brings I think.
What's so great about stuff like that is it brings the humanity back, you
know, like paranormal investigating and history, you know, where you can actually
get out there and you can touch it, and it's almost like a it's
like a time trip, because all of a sudden, it's like it's like
a blip in time, you know, where you're kind of like crossing over,
you know, And that to me is the ultimate. And I think
I'll be sixty seven this year, so it's like, you know what,
I'm grabbing all these peak experiences that I can get as maybe as I can
get, you know. So when I get that invitation, I'm gone,
okay, oh came in the email. I tell my wife, Hey,
I gotta listen, I gotta I gotta block these days off. And she
just rolls her eyes and goes, just go, just go, just go,
just get out of my hair for a little while. I'll talk to
you and you get back. Yeah. Yeah. Just just don't don't bring
anything back, don't get in trouble, and make sure that you have bail
money. That's all that all she said. Recent American Express they will send
bail money and somebody to put you up. Don't ask how I know,
just keep that as Express tucked away in your wallet. Listen, listen,
any of us that lived through Disco, we know these things. Oh god,
that's great. I don't know. I just had a brain cramp.
You made me think of something. I know that. Hey, listen,
I don't want to tell you, Scott, but that comes with age.
That comes with age. Blonde and gray is a really bad combination. I
have to tell you what it is. I got both going on. You
know what. You know, what's a riot is like I live with notes.
I mean my notes. If you saw, like again, it's in
my office, if you saw right behind me. I have like all these
little projects that I'm doing and every everyone who's got notes on it, because
you know all my contact information, who, what, when, where,
what happened, what was going on? Because otherwise I have a man brain.
It's an old man brain. I can't remember any of this stuff.
I can't remember and it you know, And it's funny because I just did
up. I just did a talk about Oh Earth. It was Earth Spirit
here in Hamburg, New York, and I did a talk about traditional tools
of seance and the modern tools of seance. And right there in the middle
lost where I was just lost where I was and if it wasn't, because
I mean, I always have notes with me just for that fact, just
in case. And I was able just to bring myself a little bit back.
And then I just make a joke out of it, because it happens.
It happens, happens, you know, It's one of those moments.
You know, I always go but I can't go back and read them.
So it happened, you know, on the table, she writes them on
the wall. It all works, It all works, believe me. The
funniest thing was when I was doing a I was in church. This is
this is this is one of my most embarrassing moments. But I pulled myself
out. I'm in church. I'm the Spiritualist church. I'm in this church
that was built in nineteen eleven. It was a Spiritualist church built by spiritualists,
which is, you know, kind of anomaly because most of them just
rented space, like in the Sonic Calls and that sort of thing. So
this is really a historic church. It's really really great. Well, I'm
there and I start speaking, right, so I have my notes, but
of course I'm not using them. And as I'm talking, I let go
a f bomb in church. In church, all the blue hairs, all
the board members are sitting up front right and I can see the horror in
their eyes. And I looked at them and I like this, Well,
you guys know, I am a trance medium, so I blame them at
that point. At that point, they just cracked up and they loved it,
you know, So I mean it happened. Listen. Sometimes you got
to sidestep these things, you know. I gotta be prepared. A funny
story. I was at a spiritualist center in Florida over the weekend. I
was in Naples and did some events there over the weekend, and I was
I did a gallery on Friday night, and this one this woman says to
me in front of the group. She says, what if what if something
comes up that we don't want to talk about? And I said, listen,
I said, first of all, I will never embarrass you. I
won't. I mean they might, you know, with them, all bets
are off and it's kind of the same thing. You know, they'll do
whatever they're going to do. But I'm not going to embarrass you. Just
let me know and we'll sidestep it and go the other way. But it's
true. You know, you stuff just comes, you know, you get
going, you get in the swing of things, and it just comes out,
well the best, the best one, the best one. So I'm
doing this. I'm doing this. I was in a church, right,
so I'm doing this because that's what I was trained to do as a kid.
I was always trained to be a gallery worker. You know, I
have my voice. I've had I've had quite a few surgeries, so my
my voice is not as deep and it's not as forceful because of the general
anesthesia and the airway and all that that gets put in. So uh,
but I'm in church, I'm doing my thing. What comes through two couples
sitting like up front, the visual of the couples having sex with each other's
partners comes up. I couldn't and I couldn't. I couldn't break it.
I couldn't break this connection, you know. So I mean I'm trying to
get like what message and it's like, you know, basically what it was
was the message that came through was you know, just be you know,
just kind of be careful because it's not all what you seem to be.
And that's basically I believe what it was basically what the message was. But
I am standing there and I must and I could feel the heat coming off
my face, you know, as I did not I think I saw a
movie like that once. But I mean, I be honest with you,
I didn't know what to do. That was a funny one. And I
told, you know, and I told my mentor you know, and I
said, this is what happened. She goes, all, she goes,
they were messing with you bad, weren't they. I said, yeah,
she goes, Yeah, that's just they just want you to be a little
bit quicker on your feet so that if you get it, just kind of
move on and try to just just try to just try to, you know,
not be like so shocked. And after that, I mean, some
of the stuff that comes through you just yeah whatever. You know. Sometimes
sometimes the message comes through and you pick and choose what you have to say.
I saw you in action at a gallery and I love, you know,
the friends that I know that do this, the mediums and stuff.
Each one of you do it so differently. I love the way you move
through the crowd, oh thank you, and sit and stuff, and I
just I really love that it held my attention well and watching how you did
that and seeing how everybody responded to you. It was just really very cool.
The big thing that I've always found and as you probably can tell by
now, I'm pretty irreverent with a lot of things, and I love that
it happens. You know, it's happened, it's all part of it.
When I started doing and I started getting into larger venues the churches, I
mean, I could get like thirty five to fifty people in a you know,
at a service, but when we started doing seventy five to one hundred,
one hundred and sixty, you know, I mean, when it's really
started packing. I found that people like that human touch. People liked to
be when you get close to them, people like to be you know,
they don't want somebody that sits up, you know, up on that pedestal.
You know, they don't want to be behind them. They don't want
you to behind the podium. Now in church, I mean it's a whole
different story because church is something there's reverence and you know, there's there's ethics
and there's a code of Yeah. But when I'm out there, I want
people to really get something out of the messages. Now in the book Lilydale
by Christine Keeler, a woman who used to live in my relatives house.
As a matter of fact, she didn't like like the mediums like myself,
even though she did like me. She didn't like the fact that mediums were
or funny. Mediums could get up there and you know, grab attention.
And I always thought to myself, well, I don't understand because you I
always, I personally feel that you can be funny and personable and entertaining and
yet bring through a very important message absolutely, And you well you saw me.
I think you got hit in the head with what did I? Oh?
I made everybody. I make everybody, Scott, I make everybody sing,
you know. I make sure everybody's an audience participation. You know.
I make everybody sing. And I think we were singing when the Saints go
marching in. That's what it was. Yeah, Yeah, And I had
Marty Gras beats and I started throwing Marty Gras beats and everybody, you know,
and you start throwing them and people love that, you know, And
then you know, there was no flashing. Just for the record, you
know, I think there was a couple of guys there. I don't know.
I was too busy running through, but uh, but it was.
It's a lot of fun and people love that and all of a sudden,
and I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm very One of the things that
you'll learn about me when it comes to mediumship is I am like so lazy
because I just want to feed off the energy. I don't really want to
go in and have to like work. So the higher that the energy and
the vibration is, the easier it is for me to get into it.
You know what it's like, you know, So I get everybody laughing,
I get everybody singing, and I know by doing seances and that you bring
that energy up. You build and you build, and you build and you
build, and then you get out there and you go like yeah, you
know, and then the best messages that come through comes from your feelings of
joy and you're happy and get what you're doing. If I'm not if I'm
not throwing beads, Scott, I throw candy at people, that's all right.
And what I do if what happens, I do use those you know,
three musketeer a great because they're silver dear like tracers. I can see
where they're going. But what happened was I was doing I was doing all
when you do casino, right, when you do these events and casinos,
nine o'clock on a Saturday night is always the drunk is the drunk gallery.
Everybody's drunk, everybody, you know, everybody's happy. You know there,
you've got hecklers. It's like it's like a comedy routine. It's like stand
up comedy. And a lot of people can't take that. A lot of
people get all intimidated. So the first time I did it, I was
like a little intimidated, you know, But I came back at people.
You know, we got through it. So then I thought to myself,
I'll fix these guys. I'll fix them. I went and I got hard
candy. I went to the dollar store and I bought four bags of hard
candy, put them in a little hat, did the thing. When I
got the ah boom, right, they're hitting people all around them, but
there's a method to the madness. The hecklers start eating the candy, so
they're not heckling you. Because they're eating the candy. It shuts them up.
And then people love it because you're throwing the candy. I got so
good, I can bounce candy off the off the ceiling tiles and get the
last row. But it's it's a riot. But you know what, a
lot of people think that that's like disrespectful. I don't really think so,
because I try to bring through a message of spirit and this is you know,
uh, the idea is is to be a witness for spirit, to
be that person for spirit. Now again, when I work at churches,
it's a whole different animal. I speak at churches, you know, I'm
very very reverend at churches, you know. And it's even it's even like,
you know, I have tattoos, and I'm still like the old the
old school, you know, I wear long sleeved shirt or a jacket that
covers the tattoos. I never you know, that's all part of it.
That's all part of it. But if I'm not in a church, all
bets are off. You know, I'm running wild. You know, I'm
running wild. But but people really get it. And I really think that
people, if they're having a good time and they enjoy it, they are
apt to be more open and accept the messages. It's disarming, I think
it is. It is and I love that. I absolutely love that.
And you know what, there's nothing worse than somebody up there. And I'm
no, you know, no, no criticism for some people because this is
all they know because that's the way they were taught. But I mean there
are people up there that have been that took classes with me, and all
they're standing up there like deadpans and like I see a boat, you're going
on it. You know, it's very very low and people are just not
into it. And then you get somebody up there that it's like, hey,
you know, guys, uh uh you know where does Dracula like to
eat eat his lunch? Well in the cafeteria. Hey, yeah, that's
right, I'm here all week. Yeah, you know, let's go.
You know. And you know, if you find the world's worst joke or
something and it it really activates it, it really moves it. And you
know, I have to be careful, like even when I go to lily
Dale when we do the open, you know, have the Stomper forestample because
I'm a little bit too animated for them, you know, but I will,
but I will, you know, pull it back a little bit just
to suggest so people, you know, so I can fit with the within
the framework. Do you read it? Lily Dale? Are you a registered
medium? There? Are you? I was asked several times to be a
reader, but I'm going to be totally honest with you. I don't want
to be because of the fact that you're tied into the Dale. We had
looked, actually my wife and I had looked at property in lily We were
going to buy a summer home down there. And if I had bought the
summer home, I would have considered it a little bit more to take the
test, sure. And the reason I don't is because Lilydale, to me
is something that I loved as a child. I still to this day.
There's nothing better for me than to go down to lily Dale Walk and take
in a meditation, or take in a church service, walk the Ferry,
the Ferry Garden trail, walk to the pet Cemetery, meditate up by the
you know, the inspiray, should stump see my friends. It's so relaxing
to me, and I don't want to take that away. I don't want
to make that like work. I got that. I'm retired. I'm retired.
I'm retired. I don't want to work. You know, my you
know, I want it to be special, and I love the fact that
when I go there, I can decide whether I want to be a tourist
or I want to or I'll serve the assembly. You know. We're at
one of the open at one of the open galleries, you know. So
I love that feel for it, and that's the only reason why I never
really went for it. The other reason is, I'm going to be totally
honest with you. It's a monetary thing, and anybody that knows me knows
that I'm not really into this. I don't mind making a little couple of
bucks here and there. Don't get me wrong, every you know, but
I was brought up in a whole different age. Yeah, and it was
mainly people. It was it was people who are retired or people who worked
so many years. And he did this, you know, sort of like
as an extra thing, as a you know, it's it's an exchange of
currency, you know, exchange of energy basically, And I didn't. I
was never a person that did it for like, and again that's just there's
nothing wrong with that. But it's always been in the back of my mind,
so I always think of it like this. I've been so blessed.
I work for a township here in New York State for thirty four and a
half years. I retired with a great pension plan. I retired with with
a Cinderella medical medical insurance. I get social Security. I'm so blessed.
So for me, it's all secondary and uh, you know what. People
come to me for readings. First of all, you got to catch me
because I'm always running around. I'm always If you look for me at a
table, forget it, you'll never you'll never see me at my table.
But uh, half the time, I don't. I don't charge if it's
a crisis reading, which I you know what, I get a lot of
that. If I feel it's a crisis reading, I don't charge that person.
Uh you know. I just I like doing a little short fifteen minute
bursts. We'll do that, get it out, you know. And what
I tell people is listen, I'll tell you the same thing in fifteen minutes
I tell you in a half hour, except I talk slower in a half
hour. That's the only that's only difference with me. As you can guy,
as you guys can tell as I start getting more and more animated,
But uh, it's I've been blessed. I've been blessed, and this is
sort of my way of like lightly giving back to spirit and to me,
that's what's important, is working with spirit, being able to give back to
spirit. And you know, I I half the time, you know,
if I get paid to get paid. If I don't like, you know,
I'm just it's I've got I've got other irons in the fire. I
can I talk about again. I talk about, you know, the my
morning, the Victorian Morning rituals. I I go out and I talk about
the haunted objects. I I teach classes. That's where I can make you
know. I but to go and and really work at Lilydale, I don't
know. I'm just like, I'll be honest, I'm lazy. I'm lazy.
I like to sleep till nine o'clock. If I can, you know,
I'll get I'll do something. I'll get up and I'll get up and
around, go to the gym for a couple of hours, relax, you
know, make dinner, hang out. That's that's what I love to do.
I really do. And it takes a lot of pressure off me.
It takes a lot of the stress off me. I mean I got.
I've got uh two ordinations, and I don't use either one of them,
basically because of the fact that I don't want the stress of it. You
know. I just kind of like being who I am and and getting out
there, you know. And and I mean I'll do clearing work, you
know, donation, whatever you want to do. That's fine. I'm not
going to put a monetary value on it. You know. Yeah, that's
just the way I But see, I mean that's that is going back to
the people who taught me were from the nineteen like they were like from the
forties, fifties and sixties, right, you know, those are the people
that impressed me the most, and that's where I got that. Yeah,
it was a whole different mindset back then. And uh, you know,
I think that's the way I am now, you know. You know,
and and besides, it's a nice way if you can do it is I
think it's great. You know, it's tough, and you know what,
it's tough. Again, I'm blessed because I had a you know, my
job was concrete and asphalt. That's what I did. That was my specially
and plus no, that's what that's what I did. And cut trees and
you know, heavy duty stuff. But when you look at it, it's
a blessing. And it was a job that I never thought i'd ever get
something that permanent, something that with that stability. Don't think I believe me.
I'm not. Listen, I'm not the sheriff's creola in the pack,
you know. You know what I mean, I'm not. And uh this,
you know, Spirit provides, Spirit provides, and this job was given
to me. Basically, it was given to me set in my lap.
Everything that I've gotten, ah, has been set in my lap. The
classes that I've taken, they just they disappeared. The people that I've met,
they appear, you know. And I mean no, I have never
I have never gone out purposely to meet somebody. But yet I've met people
I can't believe. Like the TV shows people it's like, well do you
have an agent? Ah? No, no, no, Uh you negotiate?
Well, yeah, I guess I do. You know, I did
union negotiations, so I mean I can read contracts. Uh. And you
know, I mean people have just been wonderful to me, you know.
And I always think of it like this even ends tomorrow. I've had a
great run I'll be so happy, you know, with everything that I've done.
You know, Tim though, it's funny because I had this conversation with
someone yesterday, my mentor, and we were talking about that how spirit just
throws it in your path when it's supposed to be. You know, if
you're what you're supposed to do, and you're doing, you know, the
right thing. I mean, you can work for something that you want and
you'll never get it. It's like an uphill battle. But when you're doing
what you're supposed to do, it's all repulsion, natural law, law of
repulsion. The harder you work for it, the more I should say,
the more you want it, the further way it goes. It's when you
let When you let, Yeah, when you let it go and you just
kind of chip at it and work at it, all of a sudden,
it just starts coming back at you. You know, it reminds me.
It reminds me of a stray dog. You know, you know you want
that dog to come close. You come on, come on, that dog
won't have nothing to do with it. Then you start ignoring it. The
dog starts going to eight. You're you're not paying to start to walk on
down the road and suddenly you've got somebody following you. Yeah, so exactly
many years to figure that out. I mean I was in my fifties before
I figured that out. And you're don't tell me you're in your fifties.
I'm almost sixty. Are you kidding me? I would never have thought that.
I figured you were in maybe like late forties at the most, at
the seriously, at the most, guy I knew. I like this guy.
No, listen, I'm not even buttering you up. I really I
seriously thought you were in your late maybe. Yeah. I'll tell you what
I tell everybody. I was a funeral director for thirty five years. That's
what I did before I get out of the business. So it's probably the
embombing fluid, the effected the funeral. I love it. I love it.
I love it. I don't know. So he's well preserved, well
preserved, Yes, yeah, I got a million of them too. Yeah,
but uh, you don't like the humor. I might do a talk
on that, let's see. Yeah, that would be great. That would
be great. I mean I did I used to put people used to say
I put the fun back in funeral, you know, So listen, funerals.
Funerals should be fun. Funerals should be fun. And that's the way
it is, because it's it's just the next evolution, and you know,
stuff it is, you know, celebration, you know, you know what
it's. You know what's strange, you know what people think, I'm I'm
out there, which I am. But like when my father passed away,
I helped take the remains out of the house. No big deal for me,
No big deal for me. My I was there when my mother,
when my mother died. I was the one that actually, you know,
made them, you know, I told them that they had to pull the
plug. And I stood there and you know, stayed there the whole the
whole time. And to me, it's just natural, just natural, something
you just do. And and funerals, my god. You know, my
father's funeral, you know my uncle's, they were all out in the van
drinking Jamison whiskey, you know, so they were they were giggling the whole
time. And then my mother's we had it at her favorite, her favorite
Italian restaurant where I mean where she loved to go. And that that to
me, is what it's all about. Is it's honored, not just honoring
their memory. But but you know, having the fun enjoying it, you
know, being able to get out there. And and if you're going to
have a memory, you try to have a good memory, you know,
and even if it's even if it's a funeral, you always have to try
to have a good memory from it. Well, and you know, you
still feel the loss, but you and I know they're still there. I
mean not like not like we're still there, but they're still here. I
mean, you know, we get information when we do readings, and you
know, where does it come from? Where does it exactly exactly? You
know, people people you know as a dowser, I'm a dowser. I
love dowser. I got a dowsing. I got a chance of really,
Oh, I love it. I absolutely love it. I learned from a
guy who who trained cadaver dogs. He was a retired sheriff. He went
to Australia as a matter of fact, and trained cadaver dogs in Australia because
they didn't have at the time. And he taught me some great stuff.
And the whole thing is is, yeah, okay, it's ibio motor refa
response. I understand that it's micro movements or it isn't like grabbing your grabbing
the dousing rods and jumping them up and down. But what's so cool about
it is the fact that you know, you are the antenna. Where is
this energy, Where is this knowledge coming from? It's coming from you,
and it's coming through you and to me. I mean, I cut my
I cut my teeth on EDG your casey and you know some of the old
timers and and so much of that is you know, external, all this
energy. That's why I always say energetic personalities and what's the end of the
road. I'm not a big heaven o hell guy. I am like,
it's it's all frequency, and at the end of the rainbow, we all
become one with everything. We become that, we become that cosmic ball out
there, you know. And I love the whole concept of that. So
yeah, that's that's that's that's why I love dowsing so much. I almost
feel it's like, you know, I feel it's like a dog whistle.
You know, you can blow the dog whistle. Well, you can blow
the dog whistle and you won't hear it. I agree, and pick up
on that frequency. It doesn't mean that the whistle's not blowing just because you
can't hear it. And I feel like it's with mediumship. You know,
some of us have the ability, for whatever reason to tune into certain frequencies
and we pick up certain things. And why, I don't know. I
don't know why, where that comes from or how, but there it is,
you know. Yeah, yeah, it's just it's it's put on your
plate. And I've been I'm huge in the infrasound hang I hang out with
big foot people that are big in the infrasound. So it's like all frequency
and how animals communicate with infrasound. But yeah, we can't hear it,
and that to me is so true. But let's face it, go back
to the eighteen hundreds, nobody even nobody even would even believe that we would
be doing what we're doing right now. And this is this is voodoo,
man, this is this is witchcraft to them people back in the eighteen hundreds.
And the way I always explain it about old spiritualism, because there's golden
age of spiritualism, there's the golden age of fraud and spiritualism. Of course,
you got those two you have to balance out. But the one thing
that they can't take away is spiritualism has always been in front of the pack.
You know, We've are always talking about vibrations, We're always talking about
frequencies. This is all stuff that may have been rudimentary back then but has
come to fruation now. And that's why I always feel that, uh,
you know, understanding where we came from is so important, but accepting where
we are right now is even more important. And that's why, you know,
I'm so into like the paranormal investigations and getting out there and and and
you know, just seeing all the different equipment that's being used and getting all
the different opinions, whether it's skepticism, whether it's true believers. It doesn't
matter to me so long as I get that opinion. And I learned from
each one of those opinions, right right, absolutely, Tim, We have
only about two minutes left. Wow, So I want to just you know,
I tell you it always flies by. What would you like people to
know? Well, you know what the I am the host of the Black
Cat Lounge. We've been around for way too many years. And uh we're
on Wednesdays unfortunately at seven o'clock. You know, you know, but you
can always check me out, you know, check the latest show out or
whatever we're doing at my website at www dot Timothytshaw dot com. And I
usually have a show up there and then I got my events stuff up there.
That's just just me. Listen, that's just that's just me being you
know, self promoting and throwing my stuff up there. But you can always
find me there. And then, guys, if you want to get a
hold of me, I'm a child. I'm a child of social media.
Drop me me message on this Facebook messenger. I don't answer my email,
I don't answer phone calls. Brought me a message there, I'll get it.
Excellent, excellence. So if you want to see tim you can check
out his web page and and find out where he's going to be. And
I know we'll see you for sure in Ohio and a few can't wait.
I can't wait. That's gonna be great. That's gonna be great. That
is like have you been to Paris Icon? No, you're gonna love it,
love it. I've been to the prison. This is the second time.
The third time I'll be at the prison. But I love the prison,
so you know, yeah, well I'll tell I'll tell you about our
recreation and what happened another time. Yeah, let's talk about only about fifteen
seconds. I'm on a hard stop. Tim thank you so much for being
here today. We greatly appreciate it. We'll see you all next week right
here on the Paranormal Project. Every great night, everybody. Thank you.
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