1 00:00:10,519 --> 00:00:49,000 The Paranormal Project Radio Show. Carry your hosts Scott Allen and Christina Bowen. 2 00:00:52,439 --> 00:00:56,399 Hello, everyone, welcome back to the Paranormal Project Radio Show. My name 3 00:00:56,439 --> 00:01:00,719 is Scott Allen. I am here with the very lovely non coughing and walking 4 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:06,560 Stina Bowling. I really haven't seen you all since we got home from San 5 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:11,000 Antonio from the lone Stop. It has been just recovering the whole time, 6 00:01:11,079 --> 00:01:17,920 between pneumonia and the foot it's just been yeah, whatever, Glad to be 7 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,079 back here with you again. This is good. Tonight. We have Tim 8 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,760 Shaw on the show, so this is a recorded show. I want to 9 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,760 just say that because some people like to chime in onto the chat. This 10 00:01:27,799 --> 00:01:32,319 is a recorded show tonight because Tim has his show at the same time we 11 00:01:32,359 --> 00:01:36,200 have our show, so we had to do a recording. But I'm not 12 00:01:36,239 --> 00:01:38,480 going to waste any time because I really do want to get Tim out here. 13 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:45,519 He's a psychic medium, author, speaker, paranormal investigator and collector of 14 00:01:46,599 --> 00:01:51,040 haunted objects. So Tim, welcome to the show. Come on out. 15 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,400 How are you big guys? Thank you for having me on. It's a 16 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,599 thrill. You know what I heard all about that San Antonio trip. And 17 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,439 you know what, and the trip Literally when when I heard about all the 18 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:07,040 neat stuff that was going on in that location that you guys are at, 19 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:12,759 and people following, people getting pushed, the history behind it, other people 20 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,719 getting the same thing, I was like, wow, you know what, 21 00:02:15,719 --> 00:02:20,439 maybe next year I might even join you guys. Well, as a matter 22 00:02:20,479 --> 00:02:22,560 of fact, I already said, yes, I'm going to join you guys, 23 00:02:25,879 --> 00:02:30,919 and you're gonna love it. I have insisted that we stay in different 24 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:38,680 location this time though. Sounds good. Yeah, you know what's it's so 25 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,800 true. It's so true. What you know what, what once you get 26 00:02:40,879 --> 00:02:45,840 pushed, you just don't want to. Well me, I'm stupid. I 27 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,280 go back, you know. I mean, it doesn't buy it. I 28 00:02:47,759 --> 00:02:51,159 have I have to poke the devil. That's my that's my whole thing. 29 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,520 It's like, what, really, it can't lightning can't strike twice? Bang? 30 00:02:54,599 --> 00:03:01,719 Guess what we'll talk after because it did so Yeah, I heard, 31 00:03:01,879 --> 00:03:07,319 oh I heard. And you know, it was a right place. It 32 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,759 was a great place. But it was quiet in that house all weekend. 33 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,719 I walked in the door. I was the first one there, and I 34 00:03:13,759 --> 00:03:15,919 said, gee, it smells like a haunted house. Something soundings off. 35 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:22,840 It was quiet, and then and then Sunday night, I heard the gunshot 36 00:03:23,319 --> 00:03:29,319 when we when I walked into my room. Find out later that the history 37 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:34,759 was that the gentleman had shot himself and that was in my room. And 38 00:03:34,759 --> 00:03:37,719 then through the night, I wake up and I'm hearing sobbing, not just 39 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:42,240 crying, but a woman sobbing. I go check on everybody. Everybody sound 40 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,439 asleep. So yeah, we had coffee cups fly off the counter and all 41 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:51,840 kinds of stuff. That's my type of place, you know, watching it. 42 00:03:51,879 --> 00:03:54,080 Go listen. It ain't a party until one of us gets knocked down. 43 00:03:54,319 --> 00:03:59,240 That's the way it works. We'll invite you from hair on out, 44 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:04,680 tim and you can volunteer to be tribute. So you know what. This 45 00:04:04,759 --> 00:04:08,840 past weekend, I was up at the Western Block in Lockport, New York. 46 00:04:08,879 --> 00:04:12,039 And I've been there quite a few times, but I don't really get 47 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,000 a chance to investigate like the attic and stuff up there. And we got 48 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,720 a chance to get up there and you know, we're doing a live knock 49 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,959 right to the ground. I have I have a brushburn on my knee. 50 00:04:23,319 --> 00:04:27,199 I haven't had a brushburn like that. Yeah. Yeah, since I was 51 00:04:27,199 --> 00:04:30,959 probably a kid, you know. So it was kind of amazing because it 52 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,639 was just it was like something was trying to get me out of the way, 53 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,920 and they were talking about prohibition. This place had been like a you 54 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,560 know, like a speakeasy and maybe a brothel, they think. And what 55 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,399 I think what happened was whatever it was was trying to get past me to 56 00:04:46,439 --> 00:04:50,439 get to the guy who was talking about it, and I happened to be 57 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,519 in the way, and I felt the most gentlest push. And I had 58 00:04:54,519 --> 00:04:57,439 a heavy coat on because you know, here in western New York it's freezing 59 00:04:57,519 --> 00:05:01,759 up here, and it I could feel the impact on my bicep and and 60 00:05:01,879 --> 00:05:04,120 I had a sweatshirt on. I had the heavy coat on, but I 61 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:08,040 could feel it, and I could feel my body just kind of pushed it 62 00:05:08,079 --> 00:05:11,319 aside. Next thing I know, I'm on the ground and it blew my 63 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,120 sneaker off, you know, and I'm like and it was untied. My 64 00:05:14,199 --> 00:05:16,120 sneaker was untied, and I double not everything. You know, it's from 65 00:05:16,199 --> 00:05:19,639 high school, you know, you always double not your sneakers. And I 66 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:24,160 was just like I was kneeling there. I started to laugh because I go, 67 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,959 what the hell, So I haven't. I haven't gotten pushed like that 68 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,120 in a few years, probably a decade. So it was great. I 69 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:35,680 love you know what that's that to me is you know what, People can 70 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:40,160 go and rip these things apart all they want, but I I can't explain 71 00:05:40,199 --> 00:05:43,399 it. And that's what I thought was so amazing. So yeah, you 72 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,240 know what, that's the problem. The minute I hear something like that, 73 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,120 it's like, you know, maybe I should put my finger in that electrical 74 00:05:50,160 --> 00:06:00,000 outlets. Yeah, I love to investigate with you. I'll bet it'd be 75 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:04,839 awesome. It's fun. It's fun. Are you up this? I'm the 76 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,639 side of Boston. You're in what the New York area? I'm out just 77 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:14,879 outside of Buffalo, what part of Boston. My family came from Dorchester and 78 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,639 Squana, the Swana Peninsula. Okay, I'm actually not in north of Boston 79 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:23,480 and Tewksbury, which is about like fifteen minutes. I know where Tewkesbury is. 80 00:06:23,519 --> 00:06:26,879 That's on my way when I head up to visit relatives of Marblehead across 81 00:06:26,879 --> 00:06:30,079 the Bay from Salem. There you go. Yeah, yeah, nice, 82 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,399 nice, I'm going to be And it's funny. We have on our live 83 00:06:32,439 --> 00:06:35,680 show tonight we have the owner of the Do you know anything about the Enfield 84 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,360 Demon House in Connecticut? Have you heard about that? Yeah? I heard. 85 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,439 I heard a little bit about it. As a matter of fact, 86 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:48,319 somebody was up there and sent me some interesting pieces that the owner had given 87 00:06:48,399 --> 00:06:51,920 them, and they felt that it was really like it was just like pieces 88 00:06:51,959 --> 00:06:54,680 of wood, you know, just like I don't know if they were doing 89 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,800 repair or what. And they sent them to me because they didn't really they 90 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,439 were kind of afraid of them. So it's in the it's it's in the 91 00:07:01,439 --> 00:07:04,399 collection. What can I tell you. But I've heard a little bit about 92 00:07:04,399 --> 00:07:08,600 it. I've heard a little bit about it, and uh, it was 93 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,480 quite the Poultergeist case, That's what I understand. I'm going to be there 94 00:07:12,519 --> 00:07:16,160 on Sunday. We're doing some filming for nice an event we're doing there in 95 00:07:16,199 --> 00:07:19,920 April. But he's on the show tonight to talk about it. Awesome. 96 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:24,160 Awesome. See if you can sleep overnight, so you can sleep overnight there, 97 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:29,120 that'd be great. Well, I probably will stay there in April when 98 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,639 we do the investigation or the event, but you know, Sunday, it's 99 00:07:31,639 --> 00:07:34,199 a it's a come and go kind of thing, but it'll be, It'll 100 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,079 be all right, it'll be interesting. Listen. I've fallen asleep in every 101 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,959 haunted location I've ever investigated. You know, it comes to it comes with 102 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:47,319 age. I'm not gonna lie. It comes with age. That's fair. 103 00:07:49,439 --> 00:07:56,120 Hey, you collect a lot of unusual objects. Do you make any measures 104 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,959 to protect yourself? Yeah, well no, protect myself. No, I'm 105 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,399 I'm gonna be honest with you. Uh growing uh, you know, growing 106 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,839 up the way I did, you know, having relatives in the lily Dale 107 00:08:05,879 --> 00:08:09,839 Spiritualist Assembly community and all that, I've had a lot of my training started 108 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,240 like I was, I was a kid, like nineteen seventy two, like 109 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:16,160 you know, that's when I first started. I see him, which is 110 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,199 the Sunday School. So I mean, basically it's like drummedn't you know? 111 00:08:20,279 --> 00:08:22,600 You can do They a lot of them do the external stuff. But I 112 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,720 mean my mentors and that all drummed it into my head that it was all 113 00:08:24,759 --> 00:08:28,519 within. So I really don't take any extra precautions for myself. Now. 114 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:35,600 The objects, I will tell you, I leave them usually leave them out 115 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,799 in the sunlight for about three or four hours. Sometimes I'll leave them out 116 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,360 overnight, depending on how nasty they say they are. And because that's that, 117 00:08:43,639 --> 00:08:46,840 you know, that's something that I've I've talked to my buddy, Johnny's 118 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,679 afice about, you know, time and time and time again, just to 119 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,120 be on the safe side. And he's the guy that's got all the answers. 120 00:08:52,519 --> 00:08:56,240 So I leave him outside. And then I have cases the stuff that 121 00:08:56,639 --> 00:09:03,480 is a little I would say I would see a little bit on the fringe. 122 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,679 I have them actually behind glass, and then I have huge pieces of 123 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:13,600 selenite in there. And also I mean I've got I've got dirt from uh 124 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:18,440 the ed Greenhouse where the ed Gen House used to be, and I have, 125 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,320 yeah, I got I was I was given as a gift, uh, 126 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:24,799 you know, some dirt right from the actual spot where it was. 127 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,399 And so I mean I have things like that in there. So you gotta 128 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,799 gotta make sure. You've got to be a little bit more careful than that. 129 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,279 I mean, we get together. Asked Dana about me and jars of 130 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,240 dirt the side note to keep going, Hey, jars of dirt, you 131 00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:45,240 know what's neat. I spent overnight at a place in Windburg, Pennsylvania called 132 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:48,480 the Grand Midway Hotel, and they have this unbelieve. First of all, 133 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,279 it's so eclectic, it's crazy. I astutely loved it. I stayed in 134 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:54,960 the Demon room and it was great because there the guy used to paint, 135 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,279 the guy who used to used to who used to live there. Uh, 136 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:03,720 you know in this room they used to rent rooms up painted all these demons. 137 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,399 And it was great because like at three o'clock in the morning, I 138 00:10:05,399 --> 00:10:07,080 woke up and I forgot I had left the light on. All of a 139 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,159 sudden there was like this. I looked up and there was like this like 140 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,200 eight foot naked man at the foot of my bed. And then I had 141 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,840 a thing for a couple of seconds where I was listen, you know what, 142 00:10:16,919 --> 00:10:18,399 I lived through disco, you know what I mean. You know I 143 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:24,000 lived through disco, So you never know what is Yeah, no judgment. 144 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:26,799 It happened. It happened, you know, but it was a painting. 145 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:35,320 But he has all these jars of earth and twigs and leaves from all these 146 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:43,519 wonderful uh uh great authors and actors and uh you know, really what a 147 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:48,080 collection. I love stuff like that because to me, that's as close to 148 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,200 that person as you're actually going to get in this day and day this day 149 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,840 and age. That's awesome. Yeah, so we'll talk about dirt. We'll 150 00:10:54,840 --> 00:11:01,320 talk about dirt. We'll talk about dirt. We'll get the dirt on your 151 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:07,320 dirt, okay. And it was our first trip together too. It was 152 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:09,879 hilarious. I come out with carrying this dirt of dirt and she's like, 153 00:11:13,519 --> 00:11:18,759 okay, data, are you even really a witch if you don't travel with 154 00:11:18,799 --> 00:11:22,440 your own dirt? I mean, come on, you know, I mean, 155 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,840 I mean my friends I have. I have some eclectic friends up and 156 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:31,879 up in Ontario, Canada, and they are very very steeped in voodoo and 157 00:11:31,919 --> 00:11:35,200 hoodoo traditions. So, uh, you know, graveyard dirt is very important 158 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:41,840 to them. And so I not that I'm a practitioner, now you know. 159 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,960 I mean, you know, you know, you know, I'm a 160 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:48,200 car carrying member of a of a national church, now you know. So 161 00:11:48,279 --> 00:11:52,519 I'm not, But I do have I do have my I do have my 162 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,679 graveyard dirt, and I do have my pieces of broken tombstones in the four 163 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:03,320 corners of my HUF. You saw what was on the other side of this 164 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:11,720 camera, you would just shake your head. Do you follow spiritualism too? 165 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:15,440 I mean, I know you spent You mentioned lily Dale Spiritualist Union, but 166 00:12:15,519 --> 00:12:18,600 you do follow Spiritualism as well big time. Yeah, that's you know what. 167 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:26,000 I was brought up Roman Catholic and modern Spiritualists and simultaneously. Yeah. 168 00:12:26,159 --> 00:12:28,600 Yeah, Actually, because I went to a parochial I went to a prochio 169 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:33,399 school back in the day when the nuns taught you. And my father's family 170 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:39,519 were spiritualists, and so I spent a lot of time in the lily Dale 171 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,279 Assembly, So I mean, you know, and just to kind of like 172 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,440 calm us down on a Sunday where they could go and have coffee where they 173 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,399 didn't have to watch us idiots running around and taking our bicycles and running them 174 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:54,000 into tourists during the season and stuff. You know. They they enrolled us, 175 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,600 and I see them. So, which is a Sunday school. So 176 00:12:56,639 --> 00:12:58,559 we spent a lot of time in Sunday school. And that's where I got 177 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:03,759 my first uh uh, my first education. And I'll be honest with you, 178 00:13:05,159 --> 00:13:13,000 totally honest with you. If Catholicism had been taught to me in a 179 00:13:13,159 --> 00:13:20,360 proper way, not just this book Catechism type crap, if they had gone 180 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,120 into the mysteries of the saints and the mysteries of the you know, of 181 00:13:24,279 --> 00:13:31,039 miracles and and really had gotten into the real hidden stuff of Catholicism. I 182 00:13:31,039 --> 00:13:33,200 probably still would have been like a card carrying member, you know, Catholic, 183 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:41,600 but uh uh the allure of uh of you know, of what was 184 00:13:41,639 --> 00:13:46,600 on the other side of the veil, and the possibility of communication and and 185 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:52,960 I mean we believe like intercession of intercession of the other side Catholics people, 186 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,399 in the intercession of saints. You know, I had. I went to 187 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,639 a lecture once. It was the best lecture I've ever attended in my life. 188 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:05,480 Uh. The former excuse me, the former president of the National Spiritual 189 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:13,360 Association at church. He's married a a former Jesuit theologian who is teaching theologic 190 00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:18,919 theology at Georgetown University. And he came in to speak. Was unbelievable, 191 00:14:18,159 --> 00:14:26,559 unbelievable because he compared spiritualism and the spiritual nature of man to Catholicism. But 192 00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:28,399 this was all stuff that you know, you didn't you know, you really 193 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:33,720 didn't hear a lot of you know, and it was amazing. And that's 194 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,200 why, you know, when I talked to a lot of people, uh 195 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,879 excuse me, people always say, well, you know, I'm a former 196 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:43,639 Catholic, and the way they say it, excuse me, I got a 197 00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:46,720 frog in my throat here. They always say, oh, well, you 198 00:14:46,759 --> 00:14:50,120 know, uh, you know this and that, and they always put in 199 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:54,360 a negative connotation, and I don't because you know what religion is religion, 200 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,360 it's man made. It's a spiritual nature behind it that you have to look 201 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:03,799 for, and to be honest with you, it's a beautiful religion, just 202 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:09,399 like almost all religions are. And you know, I always tell people, 203 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,879 I don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. You know, you know, 204 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,120 your spirituality is kind of keyed to what how you you know, how 205 00:15:16,159 --> 00:15:20,039 you think and your philosophy and stuff. So it's a wonderful to me. 206 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,720 It's wonderful. I just wish more people would be a little bit more non 207 00:15:22,799 --> 00:15:26,919 dogmatic when it comes to different religion. I get that. I mean, 208 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,720 I've described myself as a Catholic witch. If there is such a thing there 209 00:15:31,759 --> 00:15:35,759 is, I blend that, oh yeah, you know, I blend what 210 00:15:35,799 --> 00:15:39,600 I learned from my grandmother with what I learned in Catechism and at church and 211 00:15:39,639 --> 00:15:43,159 all that. And you're right, when you get to the meat of it. 212 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:46,679 It is very beautiful. It is. And if you know what, 213 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,440 I'll be honest with you. A friend of mine is Estraga. You know, 214 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,519 it's Sicilian. She's a Sicilian witch. And if you told her grandmother, 215 00:15:56,279 --> 00:15:58,279 first generation here in the US, you told your grandma, her grandmother 216 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,360 that she was away, she'd hit you with her broom. She'd knock you 217 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:07,039 right out of the house. And but she had folk ways, and that 218 00:16:07,679 --> 00:16:11,320 all is witchcraft, all the folk ways. And that's what fascinates me. 219 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:15,399 You know, I got I got a chance to like actually even go to 220 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:18,480 like a snake handler's meeting, you know, and it was great. I 221 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,559 mean, to me, this stuff just fascinates me. And I don't get 222 00:16:21,559 --> 00:16:23,440 a chance. I don't get a chance to get out that often, you 223 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,879 know, and and see this anymore. So you know, I'm terrible. 224 00:16:27,919 --> 00:16:30,879 I'm like a little I'm like a raccoon seeing something that's shiny, I gotta 225 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,600 run over there and check it out. And when it comes to like religion 226 00:16:33,679 --> 00:16:37,799 and that sort of thing, people that speak in tongues, I absolutely took 227 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,799 fascinating, just fascinating to me. And we can do that at Christina's house. 228 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:47,960 I mean, you've got snake handlers, right, Yeah, yeah, 229 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:55,720 that's awesome. So I've actually that would gather the snakes to take to church, 230 00:16:56,879 --> 00:17:00,840 isn't it to me? It's amazing. Yeah, that's this gentleman said 231 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,680 to me. Come on, Tim, come on. We were in Virginia. 232 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:07,720 That's where we were in Virginia. Come on, come on, because 233 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,920 we're gonna go find us We're gonna go find us something fresh. And I'm 234 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,079 thinking, what the hell are you talking about? You know, it was, 235 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,480 you know, it was it was I forget what. I can't remember 236 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:18,400 if it was a rat. I think it was a copperhead. I'm not 237 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,880 sure, but uh, it was. I mean it was. It's it's 238 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,960 neat and they poison snakes and take them in. Oh yeah, and you 239 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,119 feel that energy when they're you know, when they're when when they're in the 240 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:34,240 moment, that energy hits you. Yeah. I almost I almost took them 241 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:37,279 up on and taking one, but I just no, I'm not. I'm 242 00:17:37,319 --> 00:17:41,359 not a snake guy. Snakes and spiders I'm not really happy with. But 243 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:45,480 I'm not a reptile kind of girl. You know. Now, if it 244 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,640 had been like a poodle or something, yeah, I would have grabbed it. 245 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,039 You don't mean I'm a softy for the dogs. So that's it. 246 00:17:53,240 --> 00:18:00,759 That's it. What kind of events have you got coming up? Well, 247 00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:03,160 I've been seen a lot of posters going out, well, uh this this 248 00:18:03,279 --> 00:18:06,880 ball. Probably by the time this comes up, it will be passed. 249 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:12,440 But I've got I'll be speaking about Victorian morning rituals. And I'm going to 250 00:18:12,519 --> 00:18:17,720 be taking part of my collection out. You know, I'm gonna pack part 251 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:18,839 of it out and part of it a little bit of it out. And 252 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:27,400 uh, I've I've got all the hair jewelry and the hair memor memento mori, 253 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:32,079 you know, the stuff that's in the lockets, and and uh, 254 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,759 I collect all of that. I love all of that. I've got murder 255 00:18:34,799 --> 00:18:38,680 bottles, the baby bottles that from the Victorian age that they used to have 256 00:18:38,759 --> 00:18:41,240 their like flat and they're like, you know, just a baby bottle, 257 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,599 but they had a rubber They had the rubber hose that came up to the 258 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,079 nipple and the instructions said they had to walk shot the bottle. But you 259 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,240 know, oh, you don't have to wash out the rubber hose like once 260 00:18:51,279 --> 00:18:53,279 every two weeks in the and the baby's got seck. You know a lot 261 00:18:53,279 --> 00:18:56,960 of them passed away because of batulism and that sort of stuff. I have 262 00:18:57,039 --> 00:19:00,480 a couple of those. Oh my god, I've got photographs of so many 263 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:07,039 women, uh from in mourning Victorian mourning garb. The only thing that I 264 00:19:07,079 --> 00:19:10,039 don't collect, I'll be honest with you, I don't collect post mortem photos 265 00:19:10,039 --> 00:19:14,839 because that, to me is I feel that it's important to save them, 266 00:19:15,079 --> 00:19:18,759 but not to display them because I feel that it's very, very subtle. 267 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:22,839 It's very something that's very very it's it's almost private, you know, and 268 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:26,079 and that's something I just I don't like to, you know, somebody. 269 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,519 I just don't want to put those out. So that's that's something I won't 270 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,720 I won't display. But oh my god, yeah, I've got you name 271 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,160 it. I've got all sorts of stuff here. So it'll be that'll be 272 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,720 a lot of fun. And then I i'll be uh, I'll be where 273 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:45,160 am I gonna be? Oh my god, I'll be in Toledo, uh 274 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,440 for the for their cod And then of course I'm gonna be a Mansfield, 275 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,640 one of my favorite places. I'll be up there for that. And then 276 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:59,680 I'm gonna be in Virginia again this year outside of Richmond where I met you 277 00:19:59,759 --> 00:20:04,160 guys the toll again. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I believe 278 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,920 Dana and I are going to be doing a seance in that's seventeen hundred, 279 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,599 so I think we've been talking about that. So I'm going to I've got 280 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:17,720 uh some seance gear here from you know, Victorian stuff, so I'm gonna 281 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,359 pack that and I think we're gonna bring that and we'll we'll see what we 282 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:25,079 can get. You know what happens because last because last year I kind of 283 00:20:25,079 --> 00:20:26,720 sat down and I was just kind of fooling around and you can ask Dana. 284 00:20:26,839 --> 00:20:29,720 We had our hands on the table and the table. You can feel 285 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,680 the vibrations starting to come up through come up through the table. I went, 286 00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:34,640 oh, this is going to be interesting. So yeah, you know 287 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,799 it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be fun. Uh. And then you 288 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:40,759 know, I'm gonna be honest with you. I've got a couple of little 289 00:20:40,799 --> 00:20:45,920 things that I've got I got planned, but my big one will be in 290 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,359 uh the end of August. I'll be up at the big Michigan Para count 291 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:55,559 but SUSA Michigan, and then I'll be there I'm taking I'll be honest with 292 00:20:55,599 --> 00:21:00,680 you, I'm taking most of the of June, July, uh and the 293 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,680 beginning of August off because I've got I've gone. I'm planning on heading down 294 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:11,079 just to photograph Sleepy Hollow. I've got a bunch of invitations to go to 295 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:18,319 a lot of like haunted locations, a lot of historic urban legend type places 296 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,680 that I've been dying to go to. So, as you guys know, 297 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:27,240 probably no, I'm I'm an amateur. I'm an amateur photographer and videographer. 298 00:21:27,599 --> 00:21:33,039 So I'm I'm reteaching myself how to use these cameras again because I haven't used 299 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:37,400 them in so long except watching all of that. Oh I love all that 300 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,920 stuff. So I'm gonna go out there and I want to photograph that. 301 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:44,319 I want to go go out and photograph different things. And I've got to 302 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,519 get I'm gonna be honest with you guys. I gotta sit down and i 303 00:21:47,559 --> 00:21:52,000 gotta get like these fingers typing, because I've got like twelve, like twelve 304 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,720 chapters for my next book. All I want to say roughed out there. 305 00:21:56,759 --> 00:22:00,960 They probably went through the first edit, and I got a few more I 306 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,279 want to put in, you know, and it's called the book is going 307 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,559 to be called stories I tell my friends. So this way, it's just 308 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,440 like not regional, because I do a lot of regional stuff, so I 309 00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:14,440 read that regional. It's just I just these are my favorite stories I get 310 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:15,759 a chance to tell people. You know, I get all excited when I 311 00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:18,480 get a chance to tell them. You know, Waverley where this you know, 312 00:22:18,519 --> 00:22:23,039 we had a we had a doppelganger walk walk with us down a hallway 313 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,400 and then we then when the doppelganger disappeared, called on Milwaukee and the girl 314 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,319 who we thought was with us was actually in front of us in a group 315 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,519 that was in front of us. Things of that nature. That's cool. 316 00:22:34,599 --> 00:22:41,519 That's the stuff that I love, or like when I used to do a 317 00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:44,799 lot of Civil War research and reenacting. As you can tell. This is 318 00:22:44,839 --> 00:22:45,759 my office, by the way, just to let you know, and this 319 00:22:45,839 --> 00:22:48,960 is all this is. This is separate from the collection room. This is 320 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:57,240 all my Civil War memorabilia sitting behind me. But we did a a eighteen 321 00:22:57,279 --> 00:23:03,680 mile march coming going from Harper's Ferry, West Virginia to Sharpsburg, Maryland. 322 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:08,720 Who to recreate the ap Hill March uh to get to the battle vent Teetum 323 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:14,920 of eighteen sixty two, and we stayed overnight on one of the staging areas 324 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,200 and we all found we all heard like a little drummer boy playing the long 325 00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:22,400 role, which is which is a basic form of communication. And we all 326 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,119 heard it, but we heard it at different times, you know, we 327 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,160 did. I heard it first, like you know, like eleven thirty twelve 328 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,440 o'clock, and somebody else heard it one, somebody else heard it two. 329 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:34,759 And we asked the uh one of the park rangers that I knew that we'd 330 00:23:34,759 --> 00:23:40,000 set up the set up the overnight, and he said to me, oh, 331 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,079 you heard a little lost boy, little boss drummer boy of Sharpsburg. 332 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,319 I said, come on, you can tell that to the tourists, you 333 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,799 know, tell that. You don't tell me that, you know, he 334 00:23:47,839 --> 00:23:49,799 goes no people hear that all the time. And I talked to a couple 335 00:23:49,839 --> 00:23:53,200 of people that stayed up there, like boy scouts, you know, boy 336 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,799 scout leaders and stuff, and they all heard it. So that that's stuff 337 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,400 like that amazes me, you know, And that's what brings I think. 338 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,960 What's so great about stuff like that is it brings the humanity back, you 339 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,079 know, like paranormal investigating and history, you know, where you can actually 340 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,079 get out there and you can touch it, and it's almost like a it's 341 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,839 like a time trip, because all of a sudden, it's like it's like 342 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,200 a blip in time, you know, where you're kind of like crossing over, 343 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,599 you know, And that to me is the ultimate. And I think 344 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,279 I'll be sixty seven this year, so it's like, you know what, 345 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,839 I'm grabbing all these peak experiences that I can get as maybe as I can 346 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,680 get, you know. So when I get that invitation, I'm gone, 347 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,079 okay, oh came in the email. I tell my wife, Hey, 348 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,960 I gotta listen, I gotta I gotta block these days off. And she 349 00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:44,920 just rolls her eyes and goes, just go, just go, just go, 350 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,119 just get out of my hair for a little while. I'll talk to 351 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,519 you and you get back. Yeah. Yeah. Just just don't don't bring 352 00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:53,200 anything back, don't get in trouble, and make sure that you have bail 353 00:24:53,240 --> 00:25:00,400 money. That's all that all she said. Recent American Express they will send 354 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,920 bail money and somebody to put you up. Don't ask how I know, 355 00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:08,839 just keep that as Express tucked away in your wallet. Listen, listen, 356 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:18,079 any of us that lived through Disco, we know these things. Oh god, 357 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:25,920 that's great. I don't know. I just had a brain cramp. 358 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,000 You made me think of something. I know that. Hey, listen, 359 00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:30,920 I don't want to tell you, Scott, but that comes with age. 360 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,920 That comes with age. Blonde and gray is a really bad combination. I 361 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,559 have to tell you what it is. I got both going on. You 362 00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:45,119 know what. You know, what's a riot is like I live with notes. 363 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,799 I mean my notes. If you saw, like again, it's in 364 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,680 my office, if you saw right behind me. I have like all these 365 00:25:53,680 --> 00:26:00,000 little projects that I'm doing and every everyone who's got notes on it, because 366 00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:03,279 you know all my contact information, who, what, when, where, 367 00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:08,519 what happened, what was going on? Because otherwise I have a man brain. 368 00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:12,240 It's an old man brain. I can't remember any of this stuff. 369 00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:17,160 I can't remember and it you know, And it's funny because I just did 370 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:22,079 up. I just did a talk about Oh Earth. It was Earth Spirit 371 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:27,880 here in Hamburg, New York, and I did a talk about traditional tools 372 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:33,799 of seance and the modern tools of seance. And right there in the middle 373 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,160 lost where I was just lost where I was and if it wasn't, because 374 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,960 I mean, I always have notes with me just for that fact, just 375 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,839 in case. And I was able just to bring myself a little bit back. 376 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:52,079 And then I just make a joke out of it, because it happens. 377 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,799 It happens, happens, you know, It's one of those moments. 378 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,599 You know, I always go but I can't go back and read them. 379 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,960 So it happened, you know, on the table, she writes them on 380 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:11,200 the wall. It all works, It all works, believe me. The 381 00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:14,519 funniest thing was when I was doing a I was in church. This is 382 00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:17,519 this is this is one of my most embarrassing moments. But I pulled myself 383 00:27:17,519 --> 00:27:22,079 out. I'm in church. I'm the Spiritualist church. I'm in this church 384 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:27,319 that was built in nineteen eleven. It was a Spiritualist church built by spiritualists, 385 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,880 which is, you know, kind of anomaly because most of them just 386 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,359 rented space, like in the Sonic Calls and that sort of thing. So 387 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:40,079 this is really a historic church. It's really really great. Well, I'm 388 00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:44,839 there and I start speaking, right, so I have my notes, but 389 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,640 of course I'm not using them. And as I'm talking, I let go 390 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,880 a f bomb in church. In church, all the blue hairs, all 391 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,000 the board members are sitting up front right and I can see the horror in 392 00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:00,839 their eyes. And I looked at them and I like this, Well, 393 00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:07,480 you guys know, I am a trance medium, so I blame them at 394 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,759 that point. At that point, they just cracked up and they loved it, 395 00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:17,160 you know, So I mean it happened. Listen. Sometimes you got 396 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,599 to sidestep these things, you know. I gotta be prepared. A funny 397 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,200 story. I was at a spiritualist center in Florida over the weekend. I 398 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,000 was in Naples and did some events there over the weekend, and I was 399 00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:32,920 I did a gallery on Friday night, and this one this woman says to 400 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,039 me in front of the group. She says, what if what if something 401 00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:40,559 comes up that we don't want to talk about? And I said, listen, 402 00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:45,960 I said, first of all, I will never embarrass you. I 403 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,039 won't. I mean they might, you know, with them, all bets 404 00:28:49,079 --> 00:28:52,480 are off and it's kind of the same thing. You know, they'll do 405 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:55,119 whatever they're going to do. But I'm not going to embarrass you. Just 406 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,720 let me know and we'll sidestep it and go the other way. But it's 407 00:28:57,759 --> 00:29:00,599 true. You know, you stuff just comes, you know, you get 408 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,200 going, you get in the swing of things, and it just comes out, 409 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,119 well the best, the best one, the best one. So I'm 410 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,359 doing this. I'm doing this. I was in a church, right, 411 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,359 so I'm doing this because that's what I was trained to do as a kid. 412 00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:15,559 I was always trained to be a gallery worker. You know, I 413 00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:19,680 have my voice. I've had I've had quite a few surgeries, so my 414 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:25,200 my voice is not as deep and it's not as forceful because of the general 415 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,000 anesthesia and the airway and all that that gets put in. So uh, 416 00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:37,160 but I'm in church, I'm doing my thing. What comes through two couples 417 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:45,960 sitting like up front, the visual of the couples having sex with each other's 418 00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:52,200 partners comes up. I couldn't and I couldn't. I couldn't break it. 419 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:56,119 I couldn't break this connection, you know. So I mean I'm trying to 420 00:29:56,119 --> 00:30:02,559 get like what message and it's like, you know, basically what it was 421 00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:07,039 was the message that came through was you know, just be you know, 422 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,319 just kind of be careful because it's not all what you seem to be. 423 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,440 And that's basically I believe what it was basically what the message was. But 424 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:21,279 I am standing there and I must and I could feel the heat coming off 425 00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:27,759 my face, you know, as I did not I think I saw a 426 00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:30,640 movie like that once. But I mean, I be honest with you, 427 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,759 I didn't know what to do. That was a funny one. And I 428 00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:37,640 told, you know, and I told my mentor you know, and I 429 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,480 said, this is what happened. She goes, all, she goes, 430 00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:45,279 they were messing with you bad, weren't they. I said, yeah, 431 00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:48,000 she goes, Yeah, that's just they just want you to be a little 432 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,079 bit quicker on your feet so that if you get it, just kind of 433 00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:55,759 move on and try to just just try to just try to, you know, 434 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,599 not be like so shocked. And after that, I mean, some 435 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,759 of the stuff that comes through you just yeah whatever. You know. Sometimes 436 00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:04,880 sometimes the message comes through and you pick and choose what you have to say. 437 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,599 I saw you in action at a gallery and I love, you know, 438 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,519 the friends that I know that do this, the mediums and stuff. 439 00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:18,319 Each one of you do it so differently. I love the way you move 440 00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:22,920 through the crowd, oh thank you, and sit and stuff, and I 441 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,519 just I really love that it held my attention well and watching how you did 442 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:30,799 that and seeing how everybody responded to you. It was just really very cool. 443 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,400 The big thing that I've always found and as you probably can tell by 444 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,599 now, I'm pretty irreverent with a lot of things, and I love that 445 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:44,119 it happens. You know, it's happened, it's all part of it. 446 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:53,039 When I started doing and I started getting into larger venues the churches, I 447 00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:56,279 mean, I could get like thirty five to fifty people in a you know, 448 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:02,440 at a service, but when we started doing seventy five to one hundred, 449 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,079 one hundred and sixty, you know, I mean, when it's really 450 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:13,240 started packing. I found that people like that human touch. People liked to 451 00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:16,039 be when you get close to them, people like to be you know, 452 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:22,079 they don't want somebody that sits up, you know, up on that pedestal. 453 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,240 You know, they don't want to be behind them. They don't want 454 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,640 you to behind the podium. Now in church, I mean it's a whole 455 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:31,039 different story because church is something there's reverence and you know, there's there's ethics 456 00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:38,279 and there's a code of Yeah. But when I'm out there, I want 457 00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:44,000 people to really get something out of the messages. Now in the book Lilydale 458 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,039 by Christine Keeler, a woman who used to live in my relatives house. 459 00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:53,000 As a matter of fact, she didn't like like the mediums like myself, 460 00:32:53,720 --> 00:33:00,000 even though she did like me. She didn't like the fact that mediums were 461 00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:02,519 or funny. Mediums could get up there and you know, grab attention. 462 00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:07,400 And I always thought to myself, well, I don't understand because you I 463 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:13,599 always, I personally feel that you can be funny and personable and entertaining and 464 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:19,680 yet bring through a very important message absolutely, And you well you saw me. 465 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,839 I think you got hit in the head with what did I? Oh? 466 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,039 I made everybody. I make everybody, Scott, I make everybody sing, 467 00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:29,079 you know. I make sure everybody's an audience participation. You know. 468 00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:31,759 I make everybody sing. And I think we were singing when the Saints go 469 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,720 marching in. That's what it was. Yeah, Yeah, And I had 470 00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:39,559 Marty Gras beats and I started throwing Marty Gras beats and everybody, you know, 471 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,920 and you start throwing them and people love that, you know, And 472 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,200 then you know, there was no flashing. Just for the record, you 473 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,759 know, I think there was a couple of guys there. I don't know. 474 00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:54,000 I was too busy running through, but uh, but it was. 475 00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:58,039 It's a lot of fun and people love that and all of a sudden, 476 00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:00,000 and I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm very One of the things that 477 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:05,000 you'll learn about me when it comes to mediumship is I am like so lazy 478 00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:08,760 because I just want to feed off the energy. I don't really want to 479 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,960 go in and have to like work. So the higher that the energy and 480 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,199 the vibration is, the easier it is for me to get into it. 481 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:21,519 You know what it's like, you know, So I get everybody laughing, 482 00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:25,960 I get everybody singing, and I know by doing seances and that you bring 483 00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:29,679 that energy up. You build and you build, and you build and you 484 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,440 build, and then you get out there and you go like yeah, you 485 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,400 know, and then the best messages that come through comes from your feelings of 486 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,119 joy and you're happy and get what you're doing. If I'm not if I'm 487 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:46,280 not throwing beads, Scott, I throw candy at people, that's all right. 488 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:53,639 And what I do if what happens, I do use those you know, 489 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,079 three musketeer a great because they're silver dear like tracers. I can see 490 00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:04,440 where they're going. But what happened was I was doing I was doing all 491 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,599 when you do casino, right, when you do these events and casinos, 492 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,400 nine o'clock on a Saturday night is always the drunk is the drunk gallery. 493 00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:16,760 Everybody's drunk, everybody, you know, everybody's happy. You know there, 494 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,679 you've got hecklers. It's like it's like a comedy routine. It's like stand 495 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,159 up comedy. And a lot of people can't take that. A lot of 496 00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:25,199 people get all intimidated. So the first time I did it, I was 497 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,760 like a little intimidated, you know, But I came back at people. 498 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,519 You know, we got through it. So then I thought to myself, 499 00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:35,719 I'll fix these guys. I'll fix them. I went and I got hard 500 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,280 candy. I went to the dollar store and I bought four bags of hard 501 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,840 candy, put them in a little hat, did the thing. When I 502 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:49,400 got the ah boom, right, they're hitting people all around them, but 503 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,079 there's a method to the madness. The hecklers start eating the candy, so 504 00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:55,719 they're not heckling you. Because they're eating the candy. It shuts them up. 505 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,840 And then people love it because you're throwing the candy. I got so 506 00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:02,400 good, I can bounce candy off the off the ceiling tiles and get the 507 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,880 last row. But it's it's a riot. But you know what, a 508 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,840 lot of people think that that's like disrespectful. I don't really think so, 509 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,599 because I try to bring through a message of spirit and this is you know, 510 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:21,599 uh, the idea is is to be a witness for spirit, to 511 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,000 be that person for spirit. Now again, when I work at churches, 512 00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:28,239 it's a whole different animal. I speak at churches, you know, I'm 513 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,920 very very reverend at churches, you know. And it's even it's even like, 514 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:36,239 you know, I have tattoos, and I'm still like the old the 515 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,760 old school, you know, I wear long sleeved shirt or a jacket that 516 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,960 covers the tattoos. I never you know, that's all part of it. 517 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,280 That's all part of it. But if I'm not in a church, all 518 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,519 bets are off. You know, I'm running wild. You know, I'm 519 00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:52,719 running wild. But but people really get it. And I really think that 520 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:58,360 people, if they're having a good time and they enjoy it, they are 521 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:04,079 apt to be more open and accept the messages. It's disarming, I think 522 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,760 it is. It is and I love that. I absolutely love that. 523 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,400 And you know what, there's nothing worse than somebody up there. And I'm 524 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,159 no, you know, no, no criticism for some people because this is 525 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,880 all they know because that's the way they were taught. But I mean there 526 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,840 are people up there that have been that took classes with me, and all 527 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:23,000 they're standing up there like deadpans and like I see a boat, you're going 528 00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:25,800 on it. You know, it's very very low and people are just not 529 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,000 into it. And then you get somebody up there that it's like, hey, 530 00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:32,440 you know, guys, uh uh you know where does Dracula like to 531 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,559 eat eat his lunch? Well in the cafeteria. Hey, yeah, that's 532 00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:38,800 right, I'm here all week. Yeah, you know, let's go. 533 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,719 You know. And you know, if you find the world's worst joke or 534 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:49,280 something and it it really activates it, it really moves it. And you 535 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,079 know, I have to be careful, like even when I go to lily 536 00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:53,440 Dale when we do the open, you know, have the Stomper forestample because 537 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:58,920 I'm a little bit too animated for them, you know, but I will, 538 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,360 but I will, you know, pull it back a little bit just 539 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,400 to suggest so people, you know, so I can fit with the within 540 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,679 the framework. Do you read it? Lily Dale? Are you a registered 541 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,400 medium? There? Are you? I was asked several times to be a 542 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,239 reader, but I'm going to be totally honest with you. I don't want 543 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:20,119 to be because of the fact that you're tied into the Dale. We had 544 00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:22,320 looked, actually my wife and I had looked at property in lily We were 545 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,280 going to buy a summer home down there. And if I had bought the 546 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,840 summer home, I would have considered it a little bit more to take the 547 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,840 test, sure. And the reason I don't is because Lilydale, to me 548 00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:39,519 is something that I loved as a child. I still to this day. 549 00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:46,519 There's nothing better for me than to go down to lily Dale Walk and take 550 00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:52,360 in a meditation, or take in a church service, walk the Ferry, 551 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:58,840 the Ferry Garden trail, walk to the pet Cemetery, meditate up by the 552 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,440 you know, the inspiray, should stump see my friends. It's so relaxing 553 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,039 to me, and I don't want to take that away. I don't want 554 00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:10,679 to make that like work. I got that. I'm retired. I'm retired. 555 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,159 I'm retired. I don't want to work. You know, my you 556 00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:17,360 know, I want it to be special, and I love the fact that 557 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:22,000 when I go there, I can decide whether I want to be a tourist 558 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,519 or I want to or I'll serve the assembly. You know. We're at 559 00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:31,320 one of the open at one of the open galleries, you know. So 560 00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:35,119 I love that feel for it, and that's the only reason why I never 561 00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:37,840 really went for it. The other reason is, I'm going to be totally 562 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:45,840 honest with you. It's a monetary thing, and anybody that knows me knows 563 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,239 that I'm not really into this. I don't mind making a little couple of 564 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,239 bucks here and there. Don't get me wrong, every you know, but 565 00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:58,559 I was brought up in a whole different age. Yeah, and it was 566 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:05,840 mainly people. It was it was people who are retired or people who worked 567 00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:07,920 so many years. And he did this, you know, sort of like 568 00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:13,960 as an extra thing, as a you know, it's it's an exchange of 569 00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:17,519 currency, you know, exchange of energy basically, And I didn't. I 570 00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:21,800 was never a person that did it for like, and again that's just there's 571 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,960 nothing wrong with that. But it's always been in the back of my mind, 572 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,159 so I always think of it like this. I've been so blessed. 573 00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:30,679 I work for a township here in New York State for thirty four and a 574 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:38,079 half years. I retired with a great pension plan. I retired with with 575 00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:45,280 a Cinderella medical medical insurance. I get social Security. I'm so blessed. 576 00:40:45,159 --> 00:40:52,679 So for me, it's all secondary and uh, you know what. People 577 00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:57,639 come to me for readings. First of all, you got to catch me 578 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,480 because I'm always running around. I'm always If you look for me at a 579 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,360 table, forget it, you'll never you'll never see me at my table. 580 00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:08,400 But uh, half the time, I don't. I don't charge if it's 581 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,119 a crisis reading, which I you know what, I get a lot of 582 00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:15,119 that. If I feel it's a crisis reading, I don't charge that person. 583 00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:20,280 Uh you know. I just I like doing a little short fifteen minute 584 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,840 bursts. We'll do that, get it out, you know. And what 585 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,440 I tell people is listen, I'll tell you the same thing in fifteen minutes 586 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,679 I tell you in a half hour, except I talk slower in a half 587 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,119 hour. That's the only that's only difference with me. As you can guy, 588 00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:34,679 as you guys can tell as I start getting more and more animated, 589 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,199 But uh, it's I've been blessed. I've been blessed, and this is 590 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:45,480 sort of my way of like lightly giving back to spirit and to me, 591 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,079 that's what's important, is working with spirit, being able to give back to 592 00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:54,239 spirit. And you know, I I half the time, you know, 593 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,480 if I get paid to get paid. If I don't like, you know, 594 00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:00,920 I'm just it's I've got I've got other irons in the fire. I 595 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,960 can I talk about again. I talk about, you know, the my 596 00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:07,920 morning, the Victorian Morning rituals. I I go out and I talk about 597 00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:10,920 the haunted objects. I I teach classes. That's where I can make you 598 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,639 know. I but to go and and really work at Lilydale, I don't 599 00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:20,039 know. I'm just like, I'll be honest, I'm lazy. I'm lazy. 600 00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:22,519 I like to sleep till nine o'clock. If I can, you know, 601 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,360 I'll get I'll do something. I'll get up and I'll get up and 602 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,639 around, go to the gym for a couple of hours, relax, you 603 00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:30,920 know, make dinner, hang out. That's that's what I love to do. 604 00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:34,000 I really do. And it takes a lot of pressure off me. 605 00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:36,199 It takes a lot of the stress off me. I mean I got. 606 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:42,639 I've got uh two ordinations, and I don't use either one of them, 607 00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:45,719 basically because of the fact that I don't want the stress of it. You 608 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:52,039 know. I just kind of like being who I am and and getting out 609 00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:54,280 there, you know. And and I mean I'll do clearing work, you 610 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,320 know, donation, whatever you want to do. That's fine. I'm not 611 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,960 going to put a monetary value on it. You know. Yeah, that's 612 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:06,119 just the way I But see, I mean that's that is going back to 613 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,280 the people who taught me were from the nineteen like they were like from the 614 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,480 forties, fifties and sixties, right, you know, those are the people 615 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:19,000 that impressed me the most, and that's where I got that. Yeah, 616 00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:22,760 it was a whole different mindset back then. And uh, you know, 617 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,920 I think that's the way I am now, you know. You know, 618 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,159 and and besides, it's a nice way if you can do it is I 619 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,599 think it's great. You know, it's tough, and you know what, 620 00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:37,360 it's tough. Again, I'm blessed because I had a you know, my 621 00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:40,559 job was concrete and asphalt. That's what I did. That was my specially 622 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:45,239 and plus no, that's what that's what I did. And cut trees and 623 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:51,360 you know, heavy duty stuff. But when you look at it, it's 624 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,679 a blessing. And it was a job that I never thought i'd ever get 625 00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:01,119 something that permanent, something that with that stability. Don't think I believe me. 626 00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:06,039 I'm not. Listen, I'm not the sheriff's creola in the pack, 627 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,480 you know. You know what I mean, I'm not. And uh this, 628 00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:15,679 you know, Spirit provides, Spirit provides, and this job was given 629 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,320 to me. Basically, it was given to me set in my lap. 630 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,400 Everything that I've gotten, ah, has been set in my lap. The 631 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:30,320 classes that I've taken, they just they disappeared. The people that I've met, 632 00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:36,679 they appear, you know. And I mean no, I have never 633 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,840 I have never gone out purposely to meet somebody. But yet I've met people 634 00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:45,079 I can't believe. Like the TV shows people it's like, well do you 635 00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:53,280 have an agent? Ah? No, no, no, Uh you negotiate? 636 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,280 Well, yeah, I guess I do. You know, I did 637 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:02,239 union negotiations, so I mean I can read contracts. Uh. And you 638 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,679 know, I mean people have just been wonderful to me, you know. 639 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,920 And I always think of it like this even ends tomorrow. I've had a 640 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,440 great run I'll be so happy, you know, with everything that I've done. 641 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,559 You know, Tim though, it's funny because I had this conversation with 642 00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:20,920 someone yesterday, my mentor, and we were talking about that how spirit just 643 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,639 throws it in your path when it's supposed to be. You know, if 644 00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:27,320 you're what you're supposed to do, and you're doing, you know, the 645 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,119 right thing. I mean, you can work for something that you want and 646 00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:34,280 you'll never get it. It's like an uphill battle. But when you're doing 647 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,360 what you're supposed to do, it's all repulsion, natural law, law of 648 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,000 repulsion. The harder you work for it, the more I should say, 649 00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:44,119 the more you want it, the further way it goes. It's when you 650 00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,559 let When you let, Yeah, when you let it go and you just 651 00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:49,679 kind of chip at it and work at it, all of a sudden, 652 00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:52,599 it just starts coming back at you. You know, it reminds me. 653 00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:54,559 It reminds me of a stray dog. You know, you know you want 654 00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:57,760 that dog to come close. You come on, come on, that dog 655 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,400 won't have nothing to do with it. Then you start ignoring it. The 656 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,119 dog starts going to eight. You're you're not paying to start to walk on 657 00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:07,199 down the road and suddenly you've got somebody following you. Yeah, so exactly 658 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,480 many years to figure that out. I mean I was in my fifties before 659 00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:14,719 I figured that out. And you're don't tell me you're in your fifties. 660 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,079 I'm almost sixty. Are you kidding me? I would never have thought that. 661 00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:22,079 I figured you were in maybe like late forties at the most, at 662 00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:24,079 the seriously, at the most, guy I knew. I like this guy. 663 00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:28,800 No, listen, I'm not even buttering you up. I really I 664 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,519 seriously thought you were in your late maybe. Yeah. I'll tell you what 665 00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:35,480 I tell everybody. I was a funeral director for thirty five years. That's 666 00:46:35,519 --> 00:46:37,039 what I did before I get out of the business. So it's probably the 667 00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:45,400 embombing fluid, the effected the funeral. I love it. I love it. 668 00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:49,960 I love it. I don't know. So he's well preserved, well 669 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,599 preserved, Yes, yeah, I got a million of them too. Yeah, 670 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,440 but uh, you don't like the humor. I might do a talk 671 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,039 on that, let's see. Yeah, that would be great. That would 672 00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:02,760 be great. I mean I did I used to put people used to say 673 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:07,639 I put the fun back in funeral, you know, So listen, funerals. 674 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,719 Funerals should be fun. Funerals should be fun. And that's the way 675 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:15,760 it is, because it's it's just the next evolution, and you know, 676 00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:22,039 stuff it is, you know, celebration, you know, you know what 677 00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:23,320 it's. You know what's strange, you know what people think, I'm I'm 678 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,360 out there, which I am. But like when my father passed away, 679 00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:30,239 I helped take the remains out of the house. No big deal for me, 680 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,039 No big deal for me. My I was there when my mother, 681 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,559 when my mother died. I was the one that actually, you know, 682 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:37,920 made them, you know, I told them that they had to pull the 683 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,320 plug. And I stood there and you know, stayed there the whole the 684 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:45,920 whole time. And to me, it's just natural, just natural, something 685 00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:52,480 you just do. And and funerals, my god. You know, my 686 00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:55,239 father's funeral, you know my uncle's, they were all out in the van 687 00:47:55,320 --> 00:48:00,960 drinking Jamison whiskey, you know, so they were they were giggling the whole 688 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,559 time. And then my mother's we had it at her favorite, her favorite 689 00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:07,440 Italian restaurant where I mean where she loved to go. And that that to 690 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:12,159 me, is what it's all about. Is it's honored, not just honoring 691 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,800 their memory. But but you know, having the fun enjoying it, you 692 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:20,239 know, being able to get out there. And and if you're going to 693 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,519 have a memory, you try to have a good memory, you know, 694 00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:24,199 and even if it's even if it's a funeral, you always have to try 695 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:28,440 to have a good memory from it. Well, and you know, you 696 00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:31,400 still feel the loss, but you and I know they're still there. I 697 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:36,039 mean not like not like we're still there, but they're still here. I 698 00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:38,679 mean, you know, we get information when we do readings, and you 699 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,360 know, where does it come from? Where does it exactly exactly? You 700 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,199 know, people people you know as a dowser, I'm a dowser. I 701 00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:47,760 love dowser. I got a dowsing. I got a chance of really, 702 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,599 Oh, I love it. I absolutely love it. I learned from a 703 00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:54,559 guy who who trained cadaver dogs. He was a retired sheriff. He went 704 00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:59,480 to Australia as a matter of fact, and trained cadaver dogs in Australia because 705 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,519 they didn't have at the time. And he taught me some great stuff. 706 00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:05,440 And the whole thing is is, yeah, okay, it's ibio motor refa 707 00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:08,920 response. I understand that it's micro movements or it isn't like grabbing your grabbing 708 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:15,079 the dousing rods and jumping them up and down. But what's so cool about 709 00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:19,599 it is the fact that you know, you are the antenna. Where is 710 00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:22,239 this energy, Where is this knowledge coming from? It's coming from you, 711 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:28,760 and it's coming through you and to me. I mean, I cut my 712 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,639 I cut my teeth on EDG your casey and you know some of the old 713 00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:35,800 timers and and so much of that is you know, external, all this 714 00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:38,480 energy. That's why I always say energetic personalities and what's the end of the 715 00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:40,840 road. I'm not a big heaven o hell guy. I am like, 716 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,719 it's it's all frequency, and at the end of the rainbow, we all 717 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:51,719 become one with everything. We become that, we become that cosmic ball out 718 00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,280 there, you know. And I love the whole concept of that. So 719 00:49:54,519 --> 00:49:59,400 yeah, that's that's that's that's why I love dowsing so much. I almost 720 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:04,360 feel it's like, you know, I feel it's like a dog whistle. 721 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,639 You know, you can blow the dog whistle. Well, you can blow 722 00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:10,559 the dog whistle and you won't hear it. I agree, and pick up 723 00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:14,360 on that frequency. It doesn't mean that the whistle's not blowing just because you 724 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,000 can't hear it. And I feel like it's with mediumship. You know, 725 00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:22,519 some of us have the ability, for whatever reason to tune into certain frequencies 726 00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:25,440 and we pick up certain things. And why, I don't know. I 727 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,599 don't know why, where that comes from or how, but there it is, 728 00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,880 you know. Yeah, yeah, it's just it's it's put on your 729 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:39,159 plate. And I've been I'm huge in the infrasound hang I hang out with 730 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:44,280 big foot people that are big in the infrasound. So it's like all frequency 731 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,719 and how animals communicate with infrasound. But yeah, we can't hear it, 732 00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:52,599 and that to me is so true. But let's face it, go back 733 00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:58,199 to the eighteen hundreds, nobody even nobody even would even believe that we would 734 00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:00,960 be doing what we're doing right now. And this is this is voodoo, 735 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,079 man, this is this is witchcraft to them people back in the eighteen hundreds. 736 00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:09,480 And the way I always explain it about old spiritualism, because there's golden 737 00:51:09,519 --> 00:51:13,599 age of spiritualism, there's the golden age of fraud and spiritualism. Of course, 738 00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:15,519 you got those two you have to balance out. But the one thing 739 00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:20,719 that they can't take away is spiritualism has always been in front of the pack. 740 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,119 You know, We've are always talking about vibrations, We're always talking about 741 00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:30,039 frequencies. This is all stuff that may have been rudimentary back then but has 742 00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:34,320 come to fruation now. And that's why I always feel that, uh, 743 00:51:34,679 --> 00:51:38,400 you know, understanding where we came from is so important, but accepting where 744 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:44,079 we are right now is even more important. And that's why, you know, 745 00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:47,800 I'm so into like the paranormal investigations and getting out there and and and 746 00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:52,280 you know, just seeing all the different equipment that's being used and getting all 747 00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:57,400 the different opinions, whether it's skepticism, whether it's true believers. It doesn't 748 00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,920 matter to me so long as I get that opinion. And I learned from 749 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:07,079 each one of those opinions, right right, absolutely, Tim, We have 750 00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:10,320 only about two minutes left. Wow, So I want to just you know, 751 00:52:10,519 --> 00:52:15,400 I tell you it always flies by. What would you like people to 752 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,199 know? Well, you know what the I am the host of the Black 753 00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:23,119 Cat Lounge. We've been around for way too many years. And uh we're 754 00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:29,800 on Wednesdays unfortunately at seven o'clock. You know, you know, but you 755 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,800 can always check me out, you know, check the latest show out or 756 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:38,679 whatever we're doing at my website at www dot Timothytshaw dot com. And I 757 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:43,280 usually have a show up there and then I got my events stuff up there. 758 00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:46,679 That's just just me. Listen, that's just that's just me being you 759 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:52,440 know, self promoting and throwing my stuff up there. But you can always 760 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,239 find me there. And then, guys, if you want to get a 761 00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:58,599 hold of me, I'm a child. I'm a child of social media. 762 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:04,000 Drop me me message on this Facebook messenger. I don't answer my email, 763 00:53:04,199 --> 00:53:07,960 I don't answer phone calls. Brought me a message there, I'll get it. 764 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,239 Excellent, excellence. So if you want to see tim you can check 765 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,639 out his web page and and find out where he's going to be. And 766 00:53:15,679 --> 00:53:17,480 I know we'll see you for sure in Ohio and a few can't wait. 767 00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:21,400 I can't wait. That's gonna be great. That's gonna be great. That 768 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,360 is like have you been to Paris Icon? No, you're gonna love it, 769 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:30,480 love it. I've been to the prison. This is the second time. 770 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,880 The third time I'll be at the prison. But I love the prison, 771 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:40,320 so you know, yeah, well I'll tell I'll tell you about our 772 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:46,320 recreation and what happened another time. Yeah, let's talk about only about fifteen 773 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,400 seconds. I'm on a hard stop. Tim thank you so much for being 774 00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,320 here today. We greatly appreciate it. We'll see you all next week right 775 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:58,159 here on the Paranormal Project. Every great night, everybody. Thank you. 776 00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:02,000 You've been listening to the Paranormal Rejeck Radio Show with Scott Allen and Christina Bowen. 777 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,360 Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss the next episode. While you're 778 00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,800 there, leave us a rating and review. We'll be back next week with 779 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:22,000 more exciting guests. Now, go out there and explore the paranormal