WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.240 --> 00:00:04.280 And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is that triangle. You 2 00:00:04.320 --> 00:00:08.359 know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the Wranglestampars incident. It doesn't 3 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:13.279 involve aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over our 4 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:18.239 heads. He's so gossic. Guy Sorcerer is standing in the cleary. He 5 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:20.879 turned over to my father, held his hand, and he looked in his 6 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:28.839 eyes and said, we're not alone. Welcome to podcast UFO for our live 7 00:00:28.960 --> 00:00:35.119 show. We're live every Wednesday at eight pm Eastern Standard Time on podcastufo dot 8 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:39.079 com. During the show, feel free to participate live in our chat room, 9 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:44.520 and don't forget to like us on our very active Facebook page. Hello, 10 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:47.840 and welcome to the show. This is Martin willis your host, and 11 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:53.520 in just a minute we have Alejandro Rojas coming up with UFO updates. Our 12 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:59.359 guest this evening is Charles Holt, and I'm very excited to have him on. 13 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:03.719 He was, of course, the Air Force colonel and former base commander 14 00:01:03.959 --> 00:01:11.519 of RAF Bentwaters near Woodbridge and during a course the nineteen eighty encounter I think 15 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:18.200 is probably one of the most documented or the most documented. Actually UFO siting 16 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:23.159 real excited about tonight's guest. I want to thank all the supporters for helping 17 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:25.760 out with the show. Now, if you can't support the show and you 18 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:27.599 still want to listen to the entire show for free, all you got to 19 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:36.640 do is listen every Wednesday evening at eight to ten Eastern Standard time on podcastufo 20 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:40.480 dot com, or you can listen to the show as a podcast the following 21 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:47.680 evening Thursdays at ten to midnight Eastern Standard Time on the Dark Matter Digital Network. 22 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:53.840 Supporters, I would like to thank you also in a couple of different 23 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:59.519 ways. Next week I'm going to draw some email names out for two prizes, 24 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:05.640 and one of the prizes is going to be a book that is signed 25 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:08.400 by Charles Holt and it's called The Whole Perspective. If you look online, 26 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:14.680 you'll see that book is forty some odd dollars up because it is an eight 27 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:17.520 hundred page book. So this is going to be signed by him, and 28 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:22.280 that is one of the Christmas drawings I'm going to do. The second one 29 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:25.280 may take a few different people before I can get someone to actually take me 30 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:30.439 up on it, and that is four nights at my guest house up on 31 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:36.479 the Mountain in Maine. You would probably want to come in the summertime because 32 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:39.080 there's lakes nearby, there's hiking right outside the door, There's a lot to 33 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:43.439 do in the area. It's a beautiful area. And so I'd love to 34 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:47.680 have a person or a couple or even two couples if they'd like to come. 35 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:53.120 But I'm going to be drawing for that. And also the person can 36 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:57.520 sit in on a Wednesday night live in the studio during one of the shows. 37 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:00.479 So that's another gift I'll be drawing. And again, how that's going 38 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:02.240 to work is they're going to reach out after I do a drawing and reach 39 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:07.319 out to that person. If they can actually make it here to Maine, 40 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:10.439 then they will be the winner. And I will keep drawing names until I 41 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:15.240 find someone that can actually make it here and take me up on the Christmas 42 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:19.479 offer. So that's it. What if I draw your name, Alejandro, 43 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:25.159 that would be great for which prize? No, I can't. I want 44 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:31.840 to win at the book because it's forty something dollars and why the heck. 45 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:37.000 That's one thing I want to ask is why is it so dang expensive? 46 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:39.639 That's a lot of money, and you price yourself out. Nobody wants to 47 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:43.919 buy a book for that much. Yeah, it's eight hundred pages. I 48 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:46.879 think that's the justification of it. That I am going to ask him this 49 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:53.360 evening about that. And my concern is I want people to get it, 50 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:57.520 you know, I want more. I think it's a great book to have, 51 00:03:57.759 --> 00:04:01.639 It's something everybody should have. But when it's that expensive, you know, 52 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:06.599 you just you don't reach as big of an audience. And I think 53 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:11.800 it needs as big of an audience as possible, right right, And you 54 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:17.040 and I both saw Charles down in North Carolina speak and I always going to 55 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:24.319 be at the UFO Congress is coming February. But I tell you what a 56 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:29.000 solid, solid man. And there wasn't a word that he spoke that I 57 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:33.279 didn't believe. I was very I was glued to watching him speak about this 58 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:40.600 situation and his emotions, and you know, all that was really something He 59 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:44.439 can come across gruff. I mean I get to see him fairly regularly. 60 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:48.040 Last I saw him was in Roswell. He was out there. But some 61 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:54.000 do this panel in Vegas and some others, and he comes across gruff, 62 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:59.360 no doubt. But it's because you know, you got to think these kernels 63 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:02.439 are like this. My girlfriend's dad is a colonel. Of course, there's 64 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:06.759 John Alexander, who I speak with quite a bit. Colonels are the boss 65 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:12.040 and they are demanding and they come across it's do this, do that? 66 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:14.759 You know? This is this is the way things are. And he, 67 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:19.240 you know, integrity is a big Dylan and the integrity of the story he's 68 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:24.519 trying to tell. And of course, and I think people can understand he 69 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:32.120 experienced this amazing thing and when people are expressing things that are inaccurate, it 70 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:38.360 frustrates him. For instance, last week we talked on your show about this, 71 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:43.439 Steve Longero. We've got the interview at Openminds dot TV that Philip Mantle 72 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:49.120 did and that made some news of this guy who was a witness at Randall 73 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:56.519 Shimp but doesn't have a very good memory of what happened when and so he's 74 00:05:56.959 --> 00:06:00.120 definitely seems to have some things wrong, at least when it comes to details. 75 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:05.600 And you know, I was on and I had asked to hold a 76 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:10.639 couple of things about that, and he was a bit disappointed, and you 77 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:15.160 know, the information that was was off and I'm sure he'll share that with 78 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:18.639 you if you ask him about it here. But and then we had a 79 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:21.319 reply some lady saying, oh, I saw him the next day at the 80 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:25.319 hospital, and he's like, no, I wasn't at the hospital the next 81 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:29.160 day. Who the heck is this lady? And she may have seen him 82 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:32.600 there at some point, maybe even months later or weeks later, but it 83 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:36.040 wasn't the next day as she claimed, But she probably just it was a 84 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:42.000 long time ago. She probably has her memory wrong. In fact, I 85 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:46.800 have absolutely no idea what I was doing on any given day in nineteen eighty, 86 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:49.639 let alone Christmas, right, right, you know, I mean I 87 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:55.519 can understand how the you know, the night of the events would be like 88 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:58.279 burned in your memory. But you know, a day or two after, 89 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:00.600 you know, you're right. I mean, that's a long time ago to 90 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:04.720 try to remember something accurately. Yeah, unless there was something that would tie 91 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:11.079 that she thought tied him into the event the next day. Otherwise, you 92 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:14.319 know, it doesn't make any sense. Well, meeting you for the first 93 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:19.160 time was a very big life event for me. But and I remember it 94 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:24.800 was at our conferences at the UFO Congress. But beyond that, I can't 95 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:28.720 remember the details. See, I think you were wearing that T shirt though. 96 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:32.560 They see, now you got that wrong. See how the memory works. 97 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:35.800 Oh I got it wrong. Yeah we met in North Carolina first, 98 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:43.160 Oh see exactly, which was years before. Yeah, wow, you're right. 99 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:46.800 You even just referenced it earlier. But there you go, there you 100 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:51.360 go. Proof is in the pudding. Mmm, pudding in the pudding. 101 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:56.519 So what you said, there's not a lot going on in the UFO world, 102 00:07:56.879 --> 00:07:59.120 Well, you know, and it's hard to say that, and I 103 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:01.319 know lots of people be like, oh man, you're missing out. And 104 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:07.279 there are a couple stories. Now Here's the thing is that there are a 105 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:13.560 couple of stories I'm following up on that look interesting, but I don't like 106 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.399 to talk about them until I can verify them because there's so much bad information 107 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:22.560 out there. Otherwise, if I'm not referencing a story that you've heard about 108 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:26.759 or seen on Facebook, it's probably because it's a BS story that's in one 109 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:31.199 of the UK tabloids that is just being blown out of proportion and it's not 110 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:41.759 substantiated, and I just don't feel comfortable, you know, sharing that kind 111 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:46.720 of stuff. So I try to bring you know, some good information. 112 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:50.720 But there is I mean, there's a couple of sightings that we have remove 113 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:56.080 on that are interesting. And also John Glenn of course passed away unfortunately in 114 00:08:56.200 --> 00:09:01.879 the last week, and there is kind of a cool video going around Time 115 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:05.879 magazine. We have a link for them in our UFO headlines posted it as 116 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:09.799 well. But it's this clip. It's a really funny clip from Fraser. 117 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:13.840 Did you see this? No? I haven't, Oh so this is really 118 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:22.600 funny. So essentially Fraser and I can't remember what was her the assistant's name 119 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:28.440 her or like the yeah, Daphne I think, oh no, no, 120 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:35.559 no, Daphne was his girlfriend. Yeah no, no, no, no, 121 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:37.679 no, I got the one who worked in the radio station with him. 122 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:41.320 Oh okay, yes, I know I could see her, but I 123 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:46.039 don't remember her name. Yes. So anyways, they're in the booth next 124 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:52.440 door arguing about something and John Glenn is sitting in the other booth and he's 125 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:56.559 like, he's like, you know, they're recording him and they're not paying 126 00:09:56.559 --> 00:10:01.240 attention to what he's saying. They've got him muted and there are well meanwhile, 127 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:05.039 John Glenn's like, you know, I just for me, honestly, 128 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:09.240 he's a big deal and I've got to come clean on something. One time. 129 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:13.960 We were out there and we saw this thing zipping around and and I 130 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:18.200 don't know what the heck it was, and you know, they told us 131 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:22.080 to shut up about it and not tell anybody, and it could have been 132 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:26.159 an alien or something, and it was. And so he's going off about 133 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:31.879 this u bothing and then he comes in after it's done, you know, 134 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:33.879 and it's real funny because they're going back and forth. It gets done and 135 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:37.440 he comes in and he's like, hey, guys, about what I was 136 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:39.320 just talking about. And they look at him, said, oh, yeah, 137 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:41.799 that's great, even though they needn't hear it. He said, you 138 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:46.480 know, I think I went too far. Did you record? Where's that 139 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:50.759 recording? And she points to where the tape is and he's like, yeah, 140 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:54.320 I better take this, and he takes it and leaves. And it's 141 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:56.759 just funny because of course that would have been a huge story and they lost 142 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:01.399 it. But yeah, yeah, So that's that's the only real UFO story 143 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:09.639 around him. Really. I think that that's a that's a anything you know, 144 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:13.720 that you can hang your hat on or anything, which is in the 145 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:16.799 story. It's just a fraser thing, but that's something fun to look at. 146 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:26.960 Otherwise, we do have another triangle UFO sighting that was submitted to move 147 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:30.200 on. And these, of course are just always fascinating, as you and 148 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:35.120 I have talked about many times. This one's in Connecticut, a town called 149 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:41.919 New Milford. And what's interesting with this is that this gentleman was approaching a 150 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:46.399 stop sign. It was November seventeenth at eight forty five pm, and he 151 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:52.720 saw a brightly lit craft. It was really bright, and it was moving 152 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:56.679 towards him, and as he got closer, he saw a blinking red light 153 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:03.440 and but it was moving really slowly and the low and he said it was 154 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:09.240 silent, and then it made a ninety degree turn and at this point he 155 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:15.120 could see it more clearly and it was a perfectly it was a black perfect 156 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:20.799 perfect black triangles what he called it. So and he put a drawing with 157 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:26.559 the sighting of what he had seen. But that's a that I think is 158 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:31.600 a pretty interesting sighting and that you know, like we talked about what's up 159 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:35.399 with these black triangle deals? Man, I know, And did he happen 160 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:41.320 to say how big he thought the thing was? Now? Yeah, because 161 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:46.000 that's you know a lot of times you hear they're you know, just enormous, 162 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:50.159 you know, but not always you know, Yeah, and you know 163 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:56.679 if the the thing that is puzzling when people say it's military secret spacecraft and 164 00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:00.679 all that, you know, top secret, is you know, if we 165 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:05.639 do have something like this, it just seems like it would be such an 166 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:13.120 astonishing, you know, invention that it would be talked about more or something 167 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:18.279 or used in a war or you know, something it just for to go 168 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:26.639 over silently, quietly and and you know, slowly. It's just something that 169 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:31.519 just is really puzzling. Yeah, especially for this phenomena to have been going 170 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:37.639 on for so long, so it's pretty weird. So but we're really excited. 171 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.600 I really haven't announced it, but you know a lot of the theme 172 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:46.200 of the congress is going to be around the Phoenix Sights because it's the twentieth 173 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:50.799 anniversary, twenty seventeen will be and the conference is a month before, you 174 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:56.919 know, the sightings happened in March, the actual twentieth anniversary. So we're 175 00:13:56.919 --> 00:14:01.480 going to have a panel and David Marler's going to be speaking at the conference. 176 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:05.240 He's going to be speaking about the Battle of La and he's spent a 177 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:11.039 lot of research on the famous photograph and he's got some research and discoveries nobody's 178 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:15.960 ever heard before that he's going to be talking about. So that's exciting. 179 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:18.759 But he's going to be on the panel. Link Tai, who did the 180 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:22.240 documentary about the Phoenix Lights, a great documentary, is going to be there. 181 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:26.600 We haven't announced this, but James Fox will be there all right, 182 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:30.840 and because he did, you know, a couple of documentaries, and his 183 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:35.159 documentaries included the Phoenix Lights, and he's going to be bringing with him some 184 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:41.240 of these witnesses to the Phoenix Lights, so we'll hear first hand from them 185 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:45.000 on the stage. But we're going to have a panel with these guys, 186 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:48.000 and I think Richard Dolan too will be on that panel to talk about the 187 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:54.440 Phoenix Lights and their significance and triangle UFO and those sort of topics. So 188 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:56.559 that's going to be fun. Wow, that's going to be awesome. I'm 189 00:14:56.559 --> 00:15:05.759 really excited about that. So I you know, I know that James is 190 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:11.320 still working on this seven oh one movie, and I know he said, 191 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:13.639 you know, it's a couple of years out still, there's a lot that 192 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:18.360 goes into something like that, and if anyone hasn't caught his previous movies. 193 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:24.919 They're really really good. One of my actually, my favorite UFO movie is 194 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:30.759 is Out of the Blue. And what's the last one? I know what 195 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:33.039 I saw, I know what I saw. Yeah, yeah, they are 196 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:39.480 Most people say the one or both are their favorite UFO documentaries and they are 197 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:43.720 really really good ones. So yeah, I know. On the seven oh 198 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:48.440 one, they lost their funding for a period of time, so that happened. 199 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:56.679 Sometimes when you have funding, you know, sometimes producers providing many back 200 00:15:56.679 --> 00:16:00.399 off for whatever reason, their own financial reasons. But they lost funding for 201 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:04.159 a period of time. But supposedly they have gotten some new funding, so 202 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:11.039 they are moving forward again. But we'll get an update on that at the 203 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:15.799 conference. Great, awesome, Well thanks so much, Alejandro, no problem, 204 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:18.919 Thank you, my friend. All right, and we'll talk next week. 205 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:22.519 That'll be just a couple of days before Christmas. That's right, next 206 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:26.000 week, all right, okay, everyone, So hanging there. After this 207 00:16:26.080 --> 00:17:41.400 quick music break, we'll be back with Charles Halt. Charles. Welcome to 208 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:49.359 the show. Charles, are you there, it's that mute button. It's 209 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:52.279 yeah, it was the mute button again. How are you welcome to the 210 00:17:52.319 --> 00:18:00.720 show. So let's say I was just looking. It was about two years 211 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.880 December eleventh was the last time you're on. You're on with John Burrows, 212 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:07.720 but so glad to have you back. You have a new book out and 213 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:15.880 uh, it's eight hundred pages long and it's called The The Halt Boy. 214 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:19.200 I'm having a brain all perspective. Thank you so sorry about that, the 215 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:23.839 Halt perspective. And how long did it take you to put that that book 216 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:27.680 together? I know you did with John hands for years now. That book 217 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:32.759 is not written as a best seller necessarily. That book is written for the 218 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:37.480 serious UFO person that really wants to know the whole story, because it covers 219 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:40.759 more than just what I did. It covers a whole lot of other how 220 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:45.519 shall I say, peripheral stuff, some of which is nonsense and explains it 221 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:48.440 and I comment on it. Uh huh. It's got a thousand pictures, 222 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:55.079 some in Keller, oh in color. Yeah. So this was a just 223 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:59.279 just to clear the air a little bit, because I know, you know, 224 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:02.119 you heard aliha and mentioned that it was an expensive book, and you 225 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:06.240 know a few people commented in the chat room. But this thing, anything 226 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:11.160 I know from experience from printing that anything you, print in color costs a 227 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:14.799 good deal of money, so this book was very expensive for you to actually 228 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:19.240 have published and printed. I don't expect to make any money maybe a buck 229 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:22.359 or two. In fact, that's not the intent of the book. The 230 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:25.880 intent of the book is to get the truth out there. Uh huh. 231 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:30.160 Wow. Good? And how's the response been so far? I saw it 232 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:33.920 had some really good reviews. Well, I just looked at Amazon and the 233 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:38.400 first five reviews are all five star. Yeah, yeah, that's great. 234 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:41.920 I'm going, in fact, I'm going over to my vacation home to meet 235 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:45.799 a guy from driving all the way up from Gatlinburg, Tennessee that wants to 236 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:52.000 talk to me about the book. Really, that's great. Wow. You 237 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:56.319 know, we've had a ton of questions come in, and I'm sure there'll 238 00:19:56.319 --> 00:20:00.759 be plenty of the chat room as well. But we've had come in from 239 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:06.200 email from a forum from the forum, so well, I'm sure we're going 240 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:10.039 to get to them. But I had a couple of questions. I don't 241 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:14.960 really want to bore the listener who this to me is one of the iconic 242 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:18.319 cases, and we really don't have to go into the whole story of it. 243 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:22.519 There's plenty of information out there. If you're new to the show, 244 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:27.759 you can just check anything about Rendlsom Forrest is a ton of things on YouTube 245 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:37.640 and that TV shows that is nonsense. Yeah, that's kind of goes across 246 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:42.359 the board with anything, you know when it comes to what people put on 247 00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:48.759 on YouTube. I think it does anyway. But so I would like to 248 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:51.680 ask you a couple of questions. Now maybe these have been asked before, 249 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:55.640 but just a couple of things I was thinking of that may not have been 250 00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:57.319 asked, And I'd like to start right out with those some questions that I 251 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:03.160 put together for you. And that is after the incident. I understand that 252 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:07.640 you know, everybody was debriefed or interrogated or whatever you want to say. 253 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:12.839 But the thing that really puzzles me is why did they let you and Peniston 254 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:19.599 keep such strong evidence, such as the recording, Peniston's little notebook, the 255 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:25.759 plaster casts, and things like that. Why did they not want those things 256 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:29.240 handed over? I don't At number one, I don't think they knew about 257 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:34.240 the plaster casts. Keep in mind, Penniston's plaster cast disappeared. Maybe you 258 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:37.359 don't know the whole story all that, but one of them was put inside 259 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:45.559 a sealed, taped up box numbered inventoried and put inside a larger box put 260 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:49.079 inside a huge shipping crate which is clocked, concealed and nailed closed and shipped 261 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:53.880 to the States. When they opened up big box, guess what, the 262 00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:59.480 cast was gone and the other cast disappeared. The only cast that still available 263 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:03.359 was the one he gave me, which I hid away. That's number one. 264 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:07.799 Now, I don't think anybody knew much about my tape. Yes, 265 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:11.079 the senior officers did, but they didn't think it would ever go to light. 266 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:15.440 My memo. There was no copy ever kept in the office. It 267 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:18.039 was typed on a select typewriter you probably remember those. That was before word 268 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:23.240 processors. We did have a carbon manifold which disappeared somewhere in the office. 269 00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:29.200 So when Larry Fawcett and Barry Grinwood, the authors of Clear Intent, came 270 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:33.279 in initially and requested under freedom of information to get the copy of my memo, 271 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:38.160 we didn't have it. When I needed a copy, I had to 272 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:42.160 go on the internet. Would you believe that to get it and the tape 273 00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:45.920 I kept the tape. I did not share it with anybody, but Ted 274 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:49.160 Conrad who was my boss at the time, asked me to make him a 275 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:55.039 copy. I realized now that that copy was given to General Gabriel. I 276 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:57.480 didn't know that. Two years later the British told me that. Would you 277 00:22:57.559 --> 00:23:03.440 believe he put it back to the copy back in his desk grower. It's 278 00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:07.680 on a little micro cassette and Sam Morgan found it. Sam Morgan and I 279 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:11.960 weren't exactly on the same frequency. That's put it that way, and Sam 280 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:15.519 fought was funny. So he started playing into cocktail parties and somebody told somebody, 281 00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:22.400 who told somebody, and Harry Harris, the UFO investigator and a lawyer 282 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:25.759 so to speak, from Manchester, managed to get his hands on it and 283 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:29.599 sold it for a small fortune. So the tape got out, My memo 284 00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:33.279 got out, and what can I say? Oh, I didn't tell you 285 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:37.200 how the memo got out. The memo was sent to the mod through Don 286 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:41.160 Morland. Don Morland kept a copy and unbeknownst to me, he sent a 287 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:45.240 copy to the liaison officer, his boss at Third Air Force. He put 288 00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:49.559 it in a file. Well. When Larry Fawcett and Barry Greenwood came in 289 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:53.359 to Bentwaters and we said we didn't have anything, which we didn't. They 290 00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:57.079 went to Third Air Force and my good friend Pete Bent, who was in 291 00:23:57.079 --> 00:24:02.000 the Third Air Force commander, talked to the RAF and they said, oh, 292 00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:04.079 we have a copy in our files. So he called me and he 293 00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:07.240 said, hey, Chuck, because we were friends, I'm going to have 294 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:11.319 to release your memo. I said, no way, burn it. Your 295 00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:15.960 life and mine will never be the same. I didn't want all the publicity. 296 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:18.839 It was not career enhancing. He said, I've got to release and 297 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:22.680 I said, no, you don't. He released it well after that, 298 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:26.359 a day or two later after it hit the States, BBC one, BBC 299 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:30.480 two, ITV, German TV, Japanese TV radio, Warwell, on and 300 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:33.880 on and on. We're all on my doorstepped. Wow, I had to 301 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:37.720 go into hiding. I was furious. I bet well. Let me let 302 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:42.599 me ask you this question, kind of following that line, if this had 303 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:48.359 not come out in that way, or that you know what Larry Warren did, 304 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:52.640 if it did not come out publicly, would you do you think, 305 00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:56.720 knowing your personality, do you think eventually that you would have talked about it 306 00:24:56.839 --> 00:25:00.720 or would you have just kept this thing to yourself? Your whole life. 307 00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:06.200 I just would not have talked about it anymore. Really, Wow, I 308 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:08.799 had no intent. I did not want the publicity. I didn't need it. 309 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:12.759 I have my own life, you know, I knew what would happen, 310 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:22.559 right, right, So what has it changed? Obviously we can see 311 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:26.039 that it's definitely changed things in your life. But what are some things that 312 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:30.720 it's changed in your life besides you just you know, writing a book and 313 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.960 things like that and speaking at conferences. Well, what I try and do. 314 00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:37.680 And John Burrows and Jim Penison have retal problems, and we can talk 315 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:41.759 about that later, but I put it on the shelf. I don't even 316 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:45.119 deal with the daily. I don't pay any attention to it. In fact, 317 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:47.559 I wasn't even going to do the book until I was pushed into it 318 00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:51.759 by Well. We can talk about that a little later too. No, 319 00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:55.759 it hasn't affected me much other than I've gone to a few conferences and I've 320 00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:59.240 talked a few times a few people such as you, just to get the 321 00:25:59.319 --> 00:26:03.599 truth out. It's important. Uh huh. Yes, And I don't know 322 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:07.839 you were listening to the news earlier, and I mentioned that when I listened 323 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:12.640 to you in North Carolina, I really felt like I was hearing the truth 324 00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:19.920 and I really appreciate that now. Being a base commander in general, you 325 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:26.599 must have a terrific amount of pressure on you, and especially a base like 326 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:33.119 RAF Bentwaters. And I know it's classified. You can't talk about if there 327 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:40.200 was or was not nuclear arms there, but whatever you had your hands full. 328 00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:44.839 Was that a real high pressure job to begin with? Well, let's 329 00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:48.799 put it in perspective. That was the largest tactical fighter wing in the free 330 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:55.920 world. Two geographically separated bases in England, succes fols for active to stand 331 00:26:55.960 --> 00:27:02.720 by and fourteen thousand people. You know, it's a small city. Yeah. 332 00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:06.119 I worried about paving the runway, paving the roads. I worried about 333 00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:08.640 security of the fence. I worried, you know, I had a confrontation 334 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:14.079 with a motorcycle gang, on and on and on you name it. Wow. 335 00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:17.519 Yeah, so you But your day to day life, I'm sure was 336 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:22.119 full of uh was very busy, I bet especially. I never realized there 337 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:26.160 was that many people involved. Amazing, My day never stopped right. So 338 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:30.400 you had to make a lot of decisions, you had to direct people. 339 00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:36.400 And when you first heard about this happening on the twenty sixth or twenty seventh, 340 00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:38.480 whenever, it was the night of the twenty fifth, the morning of 341 00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:42.680 the twenty sixth, and you just at that time, did you just think 342 00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:47.400 it was a bunch of bologney or did you No, I didn't think it 343 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:51.039 was blooney because I knew some of the people involved. But I thought there 344 00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:53.559 had to be a logical explanation, and I just, I won't say I 345 00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:56.079 brushed it off, but I didn't pay a lot of attention to it. 346 00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:00.000 I picked up the blotters and I took them up to the office, and 347 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:02.599 and then that was a Monday morning, as I remember, we had a 348 00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:07.119 staff meeting and the senior officers all read the blotter and they kind of chuckled, 349 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:08.519 and I said, yeah, something happened out there. We don't know 350 00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:12.240 what it was, but I'm not concerned. Then I realized, as a 351 00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:15.599 day wore on, et cetera, that all the cops were looking to the 352 00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:19.160 sky, and you know, the cops went crazy over this. Wow. 353 00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:29.200 Now, did you feel like ahead of time before this ever happened. Let 354 00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:33.839 me rephrase that, before this ever happened, did you ever think about the 355 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.359 UFO topic at all or was it just something so far removed from your your 356 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:41.279 daily life that you didn't think about it. Well, let me explain. 357 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:47.400 When I was about thirteen or fourteen, our church had a big rummage sale. 358 00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:48.359 You know what that is, sort of like a big garage sale. 359 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.400 Everybody in a church puts stuff up, brings all the stuff, you know, 360 00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:56.240 everything from paintings to you name it. And I got tasked by my 361 00:28:56.279 --> 00:29:00.599 mother to help unload vehicles and put stuff out sort of things. Big box 362 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.480 of books came in and I was an avid reader, and it was a 363 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.279 book in their by Donald Keihoe. You've probably heard of the book ye a 364 00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:11.279 classic, along another book or two, and so for about twenty cents, 365 00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:12.960 I bought two or three books, including that one. I read it and 366 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:18.000 I thought that's very interesting. I forgot all about it. I never gave 367 00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:22.279 another thought the UFOs or anything of that nature until what happened at Ben Waters. 368 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:26.759 I don't even remember reading about the Battle of La I don't remember reading 369 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:30.559 about the stuff over DC. I certainly remember the Korean War, but I 370 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:36.359 don't remember anything it didn't pay any attention to it all. Wow. Yeah, 371 00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:44.799 and then it just got shown right in your face. One question I 372 00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:49.200 think I heard you talk about it one time is when you came out and 373 00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:53.839 publicly, when you actually spoke about it yourself. You know, you heard 374 00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:59.079 everyone else talking about it, And I do want to talk about the kind 375 00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:04.519 of convoluted controversy among the witnesses. But before that, was there ever any 376 00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:14.839 type of threatening feeling or any type of blatant threats to you about it? 377 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:18.680 None? Whatsoever. But I have to say, very early on when I 378 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:22.599 started, I actually was trying to work with Faucett and Barry Greenwood, and 379 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:26.480 when they finished crash their intent and were ready to start another book, and 380 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.240 they were working with Larry Warren till they found out he was a fraud. 381 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.519 So anyhow, I even signed an agreement. But the agreement was they would 382 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.680 stick entirely to the truth, entirely to facts. Well, they gave up, 383 00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:41.839 but I did give them, you know, a good listen, and 384 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.799 I sat down, I made a tape of everything I knew, and I 385 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.839 think Barry Greenwood probably still has it, and I have several copies that, 386 00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:53.640 how shall I say, have been put away in separate places. Uh huh. 387 00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:57.079 Now, speaking of the recording, going back to the recording we talked 388 00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:02.960 about earlier. That there's a little bits and pieces, and then there's the 389 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:08.480 twenty one minute version I listened to that someone posted on YouTube, and in 390 00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:14.960 that it has you in the forest and you're looking at the scarred trees. 391 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:21.319 You're taking radio you know, one am I trying to forget great readings with 392 00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:25.960 the seven right? And then there's the star what is that called the star? 393 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:32.799 That starlight scope? Actually night vision scope it's first. And then you 394 00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:36.880 were looking at and there was some like heat or some type of heat. 395 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:40.599 Still well, I don't know, I just said heat. I didn't know. 396 00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:45.000 I see there was something that illuminated when you look through them if you 397 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:47.839 ever look through a night vision scope, the original version, some of the 398 00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:52.680 new ones much better. Everything is greenish yellow. There was some some brighter 399 00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:59.039 stuff. I see. So you were getting readings on the inside. It 400 00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:04.519 sounded like in your conversation you were getting readings on the inside of where the 401 00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:09.039 indentations were in the soil. Now who ended up bringing you out to that 402 00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:15.960 very spot where that where Peniston here's England came and retrieved me from we were 403 00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:20.960 having the year end. We called it the Christmas party, year end party. 404 00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:25.000 It was a family affair cover dish dinner on Woodbridge Base at the Woody 405 00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:30.079 Bar, which is a very classic place. That's where twelve o'clock High was 406 00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:37.119 partly filmed. And he came in and said it's back, and you know, 407 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:39.079 I almost went in shock. What's back? He said, the UFO's 408 00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:42.079 back. I said, oh, I'm on, Bruce. He said, 409 00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:45.440 no, there's something in the forest we can't explain. So Conrad had to 410 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:50.400 give a speech and make some awards and presentations and thank some people. So 411 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.160 he said, go put this to rest. That's how I got involved. 412 00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:59.599 I see yeah, Now, but did you you actually went to the very 413 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:06.039 site where the craft supposedly had landed the day before. That's where Bruce took 414 00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:08.640 me. I see, okay, and when did you actually? I also 415 00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:14.720 took a soil sample. Now, an interesting thing is I had some a 416 00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:17.640 British friend three or four days later come out and he also took a soil 417 00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:21.559 sample and had an analyzed, which I had mine analyzed later, but we 418 00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:23.319 can talk about that. And he said, oh, I know how this 419 00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:29.240 happened. There's traces of calcium carbonate there. I said, yes, Peniston 420 00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:32.480 made plaster casts, so obviously there'll be some calcium carbonate there, so I 421 00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:37.759 knew I was where he took the casts. I see, okay, And 422 00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:44.039 is that the vantage point from where you saw the object that looked like the 423 00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:49.640 eyeball? Yes, so right from there and today from there, that's when 424 00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.480 we first saw it. Yeah, And of course we moved to trying to 425 00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:54.960 get closer to it. After it came and came into the forest, we 426 00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:59.279 watched it, it went back ont into the field, we watched it. 427 00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:00.960 We went up to the the edge of the fence, which there was at 428 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:04.440 the edge of the forest, and there's a farmer's field out there then, 429 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.360 and the farmer's house was beyond. Uh huh. And is that when the 430 00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:15.199 is that when all the farm animals became quiet or they were real quiet them 431 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:21.760 when we went out into the field. And so I've been trying I've heard 432 00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:24.840 you talk about this thing that looked like an eyeball, and it's really intriguing 433 00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:32.000 because I also heard at one point that from the weapons area with a twelve 434 00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:38.280 magnified binocular set of binoculars, it looked triangular. And so that's what Jim 435 00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:45.000 Peniston also described. But This thing defied everything else it had like it looked 436 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:51.079 looked like molten dripping off of it. That's the best way I can describe 437 00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:55.559 it. And I mean worked in the steel mill when I was in college 438 00:34:55.639 --> 00:35:00.760 and watch them poor you know, stuff from the Crucible. M But you 439 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:06.679 know what the people in the U weapons storage area described was much larger and 440 00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:10.360 up over them, not toward the coast more. WHI Jim Peniston saw was 441 00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:15.079 nine feet approximately on the side and was on the ground till it levitated and 442 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:20.599 did whatever. Yeah, yeah, And did this thing like move like in 443 00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:23.880 a steady line or did it move up and down or zig zagg or it 444 00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:28.840 came straight toward us into the forest, and when it went into the forest, 445 00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:31.119 it moved up and down and in other words, avoiding the trees like 446 00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:37.920 it was under intelligent control. Wow. As far as I could termine, 447 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:42.599 it did not hit any tree. Wow. Now the forest was Corsica pines. 448 00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:45.599 They were about twelve fourteen sixteen inches diameter and one hundred and fifty two 449 00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:51.679 hundred or more feet high and with a heavy canopy overhead and very few lower 450 00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:58.440 branches because they can shut off a light. Now, but the other craft 451 00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:06.760 apparently when it exited the landing area, it actually bumped into the trees. 452 00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:09.280 Right there was some branches and some scuffs on the trees. Well, I 453 00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:12.800 don't know that for a fact. There were some branches on the ground, 454 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.320 and when you looked up her head, there was an equivalent of a hole, 455 00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:20.039 so to speak, in the tree canopy right now. When you and 456 00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:22.440 I met in North Carolina, I told you the story that a friend of 457 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:27.800 mine had when he was watching this UFO and his The one he saw was 458 00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:30.280 in the shape of a box. He said, it was just square like 459 00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:35.039 a box. And then it burst into five lights. And you said, 460 00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:37.880 oh, my god, that's exactly the number that this thing, the eyeball 461 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:43.000 thing burst into the eyeball did it? It just sort of like a fireworks 462 00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:49.519 display, But it did it silently? And did my friend that saw had 463 00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:53.800 the sighting I just mentioned, said that these five lights they made like a 464 00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:59.199 formation and blinked and things like that. Did the five lights that you saw 465 00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:04.519 just disappear or did they do so? They exploded? They were not in 466 00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.840 twenty thirty feet or something, I can't remember exactly how far, and they 467 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:10.719 just disappeared. They were gone, wow, And so that's when I said, 468 00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:14.639 let's go out into the field and see if we can find some residue 469 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:17.079 or some burn marks on the ground or something from whatever was dripping off the 470 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:22.360 object. We saw, and we found nothing except you know, cow pies. 471 00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:28.679 Is that must be? I mean, what were you thinking? I 472 00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:30.280 mean, how could this happen when I was thinking I didn't want to be 473 00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:32.599 there? And how did they ever get involved in this? Nobody's going to 474 00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:37.159 believe this, this didn't happen. How can I get out of this now? 475 00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:39.400 Yeah? I bet? I bet? Yeah. I mean to see 476 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:43.840 this thing like bursts and then totally disappear. I mean, this kind of 477 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:47.199 just defies everything that you can possibly think of, you know what I mean. 478 00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:51.199 When I first thought was ball lightning or something like that, but when 479 00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:55.320 it exploded, ball lightning doesn't do that, right. And someone else mentioned 480 00:37:55.360 --> 00:38:00.360 that this thing looked almost like I had a pupil it did? I said 481 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:05.679 that it had a dark center? Yeah? Wow? And what were the 482 00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:09.960 colors? It was a readish orange. It's very glowing, just like a 483 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:14.960 fire. Yeah. And we could see it clearly at that time. The 484 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.039 farmer's house, which was directly across the field from us, and it was 485 00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:22.000 in between us. Now there's a large hedge, but there was low hedges 486 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:24.960 and first and second four windows on this side, the side towards us were 487 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:28.519 flickering brightly, and I was thinking, Wow, I wonder if this is 488 00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:32.079 affecting those people in the house. I was concerned for them. Oh yeah, 489 00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:37.559 and we're there were some other There were some civilian witnesses right that came 490 00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:43.480 forward eventually, not right there with us, Uh huh. There were some 491 00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:46.599 came forward later that saw things from you know, different vantage points. Right 492 00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:52.840 right now, going and changing a little bit here. I do want to 493 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:58.119 talk more about the sighting, But one of the things that always seems to 494 00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:04.119 be talked about is why is there so much controversy between all the witnesses, 495 00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:07.159 not all of them, but the witnesses that actually speak about this. Well, 496 00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:09.800 the biggest thing is the book left at the East Gate. It's the 497 00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:15.039 biggest choke. I'll tell you what. It's the biggest fraud it's ever been 498 00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:16.760 worked on the UFO community. And I can go through the book and give 499 00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:23.039 you fifty examples with the impossible nonsense you know, didn't happen. Okay, 500 00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:29.400 would you like me to do that you certainly can. I just one of 501 00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:31.760 the things I wanted to ask you, did either Peter or Larry when they 502 00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:36.880 were writing that book? Were they in touch with you and ask you questions? 503 00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:39.119 Multiple times? And I kept telling Peter, Peter, you're on a 504 00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:43.960 dying horse, riding at the death. I didn't think Larry was there. 505 00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:47.679 There's a remote possibility he was very far in the background. But he's admitted 506 00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:54.440 on multiple occasions the into Moltonhowe, Sally Rail to Barry Greenwood and on and 507 00:39:54.440 --> 00:40:00.119 on on that he took somebody else's story which is not entirely correct, and 508 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.880 he made a big issue out of it. Now there's Steve. I want 509 00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:08.960 to say. His name is long Longwood. Have you read that interview because 510 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:14.920 he Longaro I have. Let me tell you. I talked to his supervisor. 511 00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:19.719 I talked to other people. Nobody saw him out there. His supervisor 512 00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:23.320 said he was on duty in the Charlie area. If he left his post 513 00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:27.159 and was out there, he had to climb over the fence or drive two 514 00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:30.360 or three miles around to get there. Nobody saw him out there. Nobody 515 00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:34.280 knows anything about it, and he has the first night and the third night 516 00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:37.480 mixed up. He was not on duty the third night when I was out 517 00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:40.679 there, and he says the first night he saw me. Well, I 518 00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:45.599 was not there the first night. And there's more. I mean. Now, 519 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:49.880 I'm not saying he's a liar. I'm saying his probably time has taken 520 00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:52.320 his toll on his memory. Maybe, but he had probably heard a bit 521 00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:57.880 on the radio, the cop radio. That's the only thing I can think. 522 00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:00.119 I have no idea, but I can tell you he was not there. 523 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:05.719 Someone just wrote me today and said they thought this story was very weak. 524 00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:10.880 That's how they put it, Steve Longero's story. Now, the question 525 00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:17.079 is the real story is what happened. But there's a very good story what 526 00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:21.280 happened afterwards, to all the people and all these spooks that were involved, 527 00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:23.760 and all the different funny things that have happened through the years, the different 528 00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:30.159 people, especially they're bentwaters, and I could go in a great detail on 529 00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:34.119 that. I have three or four file cabinets posts. I've saved every email 530 00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:37.039 for thirty five years, all the newspaper clippings. I've been able to put 531 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.320 things together, if you know what I mean, And every time someone comes 532 00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:44.159 out, I can go back and put fit it in and there's just so 533 00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:49.639 much nonsense out there. I'll tell you what the spooks were heavily involved. 534 00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:54.199 I have the picture and the name of the CIA cleanup doctor who was on 535 00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:59.880 the base within days, the one who worked on the people with their debriefing. 536 00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:04.599 Mmmmm, all right, how about that? Well I verified his name 537 00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:07.960 with multiple very how shall I say, people, reputable people who are in 538 00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:12.119 the UFO field that know what's going on. They said, oh, that's 539 00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:17.639 the guy they normally sent in to clean things up. Okay, So you 540 00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:22.280 were starting to tell us about there were some examples in the book Left It 541 00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:30.280 east Gate? Did I say that right? Yeah? Yeah, So you 542 00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:34.159 wanted to talk a little bit about that, and go ahead, Well, 543 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.559 you want to talk about the pictures of the book first, sure, okay, 544 00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:40.000 okay. If you turn to the pictures in the middle of the book, 545 00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:44.960 there's a picture that shows the entry to the base of the community. 546 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:49.079 Side, it shows a sign that says alert condition, but there's a bunker 547 00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:52.880 in front of it that cuts off the bottom says all clear. If there 548 00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.960 were an alert, there'd be a copy in black vest, helmet, et 549 00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:04.559 cetera. Standing at the gate. Down there's a picture that shows an underground 550 00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:09.760 facility that it infers there mayst be something there with fence. Guess what it 551 00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:15.159 is. It's a fuel bladder. It has earth on top of it to 552 00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:21.480 protect it to keep it cool, and also a blast protection. There's a 553 00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:25.920 picture what's called the Base photo Lab where supposedly Larry was taken underground down an 554 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:30.639 elevator to a place the size of the astrodome. It's a command post. 555 00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:37.960 The command post is a reinforced still concrete building with blast walls around. It 556 00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:43.559 sits on three or four feet of concrete. It does have an emergency escape 557 00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:45.880 patch, which people now say, oh, there's a secret tunnel going somewhere. 558 00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:50.320 It's nothing but a door that goes on under the wall, and it 559 00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:52.480 was never used in exercises or anything. In fact, the only reason I 560 00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:58.400 knew about it is because my next door neighbor was one of the EYAK that's 561 00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:02.639 the emergency action officer or the guys that men to command post round o'clock said. 562 00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:06.400 I said to him one time, what happens if that big bank vault 563 00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:08.639 like door ever got jammed with a nuclear explosion or something. He says, 564 00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:13.280 Oh, there's a hatch over there. In what do you call it? 565 00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:15.519 The computer room that we can all crawl out through, but we have to 566 00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:17.880 break through the dirt to get out. But we can get out if we 567 00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:23.199 have to. The command post is, now guess what a museum. I 568 00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:28.639 would invite anybody to go there. Now, I'll tell you a little more. 569 00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:34.480 The base on the airfield side where the command post is was bought by 570 00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:38.000 my friend Bill Kimball and Jeannie, their personal friends of mine. Their son 571 00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:45.159 John and Sarah run Bentwaters Park. People will be welcome to go there and 572 00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:47.679 talk to them and say, where's the big underground facility? Guess what? 573 00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:53.440 And I can go on and on and on. I mean, for instance, 574 00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:57.679 on page thirty two it says there was a helping hand, which is 575 00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:01.239 a very serious an event. There was no helping and shots bullets, shots 576 00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:05.760 were fired at ay tens. Guess what if that happened there had been a 577 00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:08.480 response like you can't believe. And I can just go on and on and 578 00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:16.079 on and on. Now when did the base close nineteen? It's so oh 579 00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:20.719 gosh, I can't remember the exact date. About six or seven, eight 580 00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:25.239 years ago, Okay, much later. So it is the area open to 581 00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:31.719 the public like or is it fenced invitation and when the museums opened. Yes, 582 00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:37.519 I was there last year and took a tour of the base again with 583 00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:42.079 some of the people. Like I say, I know the people that owned 584 00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:46.639 the airfield because we had what was called an Angro American committee when I was 585 00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:51.079 there, the senior officers on the base and all the high Shariff, all 586 00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:54.119 the wealthy people around, the chairman of the county council. We had regular 587 00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:58.400 social events. In fact, we would meet occasional at Bill Kimball's house. 588 00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:06.440 So there is nothing there. There is a partly below ground conference room under 589 00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:12.360 the OSI building. The Intel building had a partial underground storage building, and 590 00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:15.679 there is a building across the far side of the base that was built later 591 00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:20.159 that may have an underground storage facility. And we're talking something the size of 592 00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:24.159 a house or less. There is no astrodome size thing with elevators, et 593 00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:30.719 cetera, et cetera. All the nonsense about the nonsense about being picked up 594 00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:37.000 by Chinese looking guys driving a limousine and gas and going onto the the airfield 595 00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:40.199 side of the base, let me tell you something. If somebody came with 596 00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:44.159 a limousine on the base. We all knew it, the senior officers, 597 00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:46.199 all the cops, because they were bored to death at the gate. And 598 00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:50.920 he would never have gotten onto the airfield side of the base with a plate 599 00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:54.840 New York City plate on the car. Gosh, now, let me ask 600 00:46:54.880 --> 00:47:01.119 you so much, how many people would you say? In and both occurrences 601 00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:08.920 in total actually witnessed something. The first night, the only people that witnessed 602 00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:14.119 anything probably were the three people Burrows, Peniston and Cabanasack that went out the 603 00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:16.639 rest of the gate didn't see much of anything except perhaps lights from a distance. 604 00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:24.599 The second night, Bobby Ball and what's her name, Lieutenant, I've 605 00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:30.760 forgotten her name now, Bonnie Tamplin were probably the only ones, although somebody 606 00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:34.360 else may have been there too. The third night, when I went out 607 00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:37.119 with Bruce England, there were four people with me, five of us total. 608 00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:44.119 There were probably fifteen cops, maybe sixteen or seventeen, including John Burrows, 609 00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:49.239 who hitchhiked the ride out there available or there, but they were told 610 00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:52.800 to stay back where the vehicles were on the Forest Service road. They did 611 00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:58.599 not come into the forest until the five of us returned. I sent everybody 612 00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:01.199 back to the base. Was still one or two copp vehicles there with a 613 00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:06.400 couple of light alls and Burrows said to me, I want to go forward 614 00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:08.800 and look again. I said, okay, but make it quick. And 615 00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:14.000 Bastenza, who was with me the whole time, I mean, he hugged 616 00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:16.599 me so tight he could have kissed me. He was frightened to death. 617 00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:22.480 He and Pastenza went forward to where the supposed landing site was and came back 618 00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:25.320 and I don't know, five minutes or less, because it was only one 619 00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:29.719 hundred yards and we could see them, and we all went back to the 620 00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:35.000 base and that was it. Now how many people in WSA, I don't 621 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.039 know. There were multiple people out there. Some people went up in the 622 00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:40.639 tire, some people were on the ground on the bunker. So I can't 623 00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:45.880 tell exactly how many. Less than twenty years, twenty five at the most, 624 00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:50.840 not not even that many. Probably now are there some people that refused 625 00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:55.079 to speak about it at all that you remembers. Singlem won't talk about it 626 00:48:55.119 --> 00:49:00.880 anymore. Bastenza doesn't want to talk. I really feel for Bestenza. He 627 00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:07.360 was worked on something happened to him in indeed briefing, because he talked about 628 00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:13.239 underground facilities and all kinds of things. He never left my side until he 629 00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:19.079 went back with Burrows for about five minutes. Now, so he was messed 630 00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.280 with, and so were other people and Larry. So were other people, 631 00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.920 including Larry Warren, because Larry Warren was running around the base with his hair 632 00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:30.000 on fire. Larry Warren in the book says he was in Germany. His 633 00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:34.000 girlfriend says that's not true. He was in the dorm drinking with us in 634 00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:37.880 a dorm bar. Somebody set up in their room and was very furious that 635 00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:42.760 he wasn't involved. Then big evidence that Peter Robbins says is that boy he 636 00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:45.800 wrote a letter OF's mom. Read the letter. It says some guys saw 637 00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:52.199 a UFO. It doesn't say I was out there and this happened. Oh 638 00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:59.719 wow, so hmm, well, well interesting and so they were worked on 639 00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:06.280 and they mind if you go do your little research, go to Nick Pope's 640 00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:10.119 website. THEOSI has a document, so it's the CIA. They are allowed 641 00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:14.800 to use hypnosis. There's a list of four hundred or five hundred drugs that 642 00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:19.400 they're allowed to use, everything from sunny emerald sodium, pentathon lste the stuff 643 00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:22.760 I've never heard of before and there's the procedures. Here's how you get permission 644 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.039 to hypnotize somebody when you need to do it. Would you believe that? 645 00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:32.360 And they they did this in hopes that people just wouldn't talk about it. 646 00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:36.239 Is that right? I think what they were doing is putting up a smoke 647 00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:40.840 screen disinformation, which they're skilled at. Believe me, there's the whole science 648 00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:44.119 of that. I know a lot more about that than I can talk about. 649 00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:47.800 But yes, so when it came out, if it came out that 650 00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:51.480 everybody would say, oh, little green men, this and that and the 651 00:50:51.519 --> 00:51:00.760 next thing, oh hau hau. Well yeah, and boy, I just 652 00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:05.039 it just bothers me to hear this. And I know that John Burrows he 653 00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:09.119 scratched the surface. You have no idea. Yeah, And John Burrows is 654 00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:15.199 actually getting some compensation for what he is relating to some health issues. Read 655 00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:17.840 my book a copy of my letter and Gordon Williams's letters in there. And 656 00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:22.519 he also got some help from the CIA. By by the way, now 657 00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:27.000 what now is what John's heart problem? Is that related to the event. 658 00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:29.719 I don't know. It could be. I have no idea. I'm not 659 00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:35.239 a doctor. Jim Pennison has some medical problems I understand be stenza does I 660 00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:40.079 don't know. I can't tell you. Yeah, Jim, I've invited on 661 00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:45.119 this show and he keeps saying he's going to be on eventually. I'm not 662 00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:47.800 sure if he will or not. You know, one of the things I 663 00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:51.920 question about him, and a lot of people a couple of questions came in 664 00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:57.239 about that, is he seems like a good guy and all that, but 665 00:51:57.320 --> 00:52:04.400 this this download that he supposedly uh received it. You know, I kind 666 00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:07.719 of question that, I'll put it that way, and well, I'd better 667 00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:12.599 not comment on that because I have no knowledge of it. Yeah, yeah, 668 00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:19.840 and he is, uh you from what I understand from the past things 669 00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:22.360 that you said, you kind of go along the line where you think it 670 00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:28.039 it's most likely or it does make sense that this could be extraterrestrial. And 671 00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:31.800 he thinks it's time travel, and I think it's exterrestrial, and I think 672 00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:37.880 they're here. Uh huh, Yeah, I do too. That's why I 673 00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:46.320 do the show for you. Yeah. So someone you just mentioned disinformation and 674 00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:52.760 that fascinates me because there seems to be so much of that in this uh 675 00:52:52.440 --> 00:53:00.960 when it comes to UFOs. So how would disinformation uh up in this case, 676 00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:05.679 it muddy the water. Now, let me tell you something happened in 677 00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:07.599 the last when we started working on the book and got pretty serious and turn 678 00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:14.800 the end of the book, Larry Warren's girlfriend from that timeframe came forward and 679 00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:17.440 she, amongst other things, says when Larry wasn't there for starters. But 680 00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:22.880 that's one thing. The other thing she says is she was used, as 681 00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:24.519 they say, what do you want to call it, a snitch, an 682 00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:30.400 undercover or whatever for the OSI, and they took her in, they drugged 683 00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:32.519 her, and they hypnotized her. In fact, she've used the term they 684 00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:37.320 called her Bambie eyes, which kind of indicates maybe she knows what she's talking 685 00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:42.000 about. Then she says she was out in the forest all three nights. 686 00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:45.840 Nonsense, and she remembers seeing me and getting me a ride back. Nonsense. 687 00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:50.920 Warzon. There's so much stuff coming from you know, that's way out 688 00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:53.880 there. Wow, I see, And so this is all an attempt just 689 00:53:53.920 --> 00:54:00.400 to make the whole thing screwy. Basically, Yes, in the news, 690 00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:05.480 I'm sure you heard Alejandro mention that someone claims they saw you at the hospital 691 00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:08.480 the day after or something like that, and that was that's another thing. 692 00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:12.679 The only time I remember going over there was a talk to a hospital commander 693 00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:17.239 on official business from time to time, and I did we have a problem 694 00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:22.440 with my wrist or my carpal tunnel on mine and whenever, and got a 695 00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:23.960 what do you call it a brace to put on my arm for a while. 696 00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:28.639 I don't ever remember going to the clinic for anything other than a routine 697 00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:32.519 shot or something. Uh huh, Okay, let's see. There is a 698 00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:40.119 question in the in the in the forum, and by the way, if 699 00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:45.840 you're listening, you can join the forum and there's a lot of conversations UFO 700 00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:49.559 sightings, things like that that people post that they've seen. But anyway, 701 00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:55.320 you can also post questions for the guests that are upcoming. And this question 702 00:54:55.360 --> 00:54:59.920 here says, with the benefit of hindsight, would you change anything that you 703 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:05.239 I did that night and the following from that night on if you go back 704 00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:09.119 in time, I wouldn't have gone number one, number two. I probably 705 00:55:09.159 --> 00:55:15.079 wouldn't have shared my tape with Jordan Williams. Oh yeah. But the problem 706 00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:19.679 was he heard me on the radio because he never turned his radio off. 707 00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:23.840 I don't think he even turned off at night. Because his comment to me 708 00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:27.960 when I ran into him. The next morning. See, after the incident, 709 00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:30.440 I went home, I couldn't sleep, I took a shier, I 710 00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:34.280 had something to eat. I went into the office and we shared a building 711 00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:36.760 with him. He was on the one side and we were on the other 712 00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:39.079 side. And as I was going into building, he came in and he 713 00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:43.159 made a comment something like that, that must have been some experience last night. 714 00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:45.559 And I said, yeah, Boss, I said, and I made 715 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:47.440 a tape. He said, let me hear it. And I played the 716 00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:51.719 tape for him and he said, let me have it. So he took 717 00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:53.280 my tape and the recorder. I said, what are you going to do? 718 00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:55.280 He said, well, we have a staff meeting and I knew it. 719 00:55:55.599 --> 00:55:59.320 Third Air Force, which was all the commanders in England, got together 720 00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:01.519 with the Third Air Force commander every Wednesday morning. He said, I'm going 721 00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:07.559 to play for General Baisley, the commander. Well, I worried. That 722 00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:09.760 was Monday. I worried till he came back on Wednesday. And I was 723 00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:14.119 waiting for him when he came in the door and I said, why do 724 00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:15.840 I still have a job, boss, And he threw me the tape and 725 00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:20.599 laugh I said, well what happened? He said, Well, I played 726 00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:23.960 it for General and the staff and everybody was quiet, and he said, 727 00:56:24.199 --> 00:56:27.559 I said, well what happened? He said, well, the General turned 728 00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:30.239 to the staff. He says, what do we do? And nobody said 729 00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:34.320 anything. So the General, in his infinite wisdom, said, well it 730 00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:38.199 happened off the base. It's a British affair. Case closed. Wow. 731 00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:42.000 Yeah, well I thought that was a pretty good response. That's what I 732 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:45.559 would probably said if i'd have thought about it a general. So I couldn't 733 00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:50.719 do anything with it because dahn Moreland was on holiday in Wales. That was 734 00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:52.800 his home. He'd gone up there for the Christmas holiday. By the way, 735 00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:55.159 the book says he was hut in the field with me. Nonsense. 736 00:56:55.559 --> 00:57:00.840 But anyhow, I left the these gates says that he came back about eight 737 00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:06.000 or ten days later. That's why my memo is dated much later. And 738 00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:07.519 I said, what do you want to do and he said, well, 739 00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:12.000 I don't know. So he made some phone calls and he says, well, 740 00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:14.760 do me a memo or something. So I wrote the memo. It 741 00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:17.320 was typed in the office. Conrad read it. My boss. He took 742 00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:22.559 it found at Gordon Williams's office, okay, came back, gave it to 743 00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:24.920 me, said okay, So I gave it to Don Morland. Never thought 744 00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:29.960 any more about it. Well, I find out later, not too long 745 00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:32.400 ago, that the CIA had it almost immediately. We'll guess where they got 746 00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:37.440 it from. Gordon Williams or his office. His exec didn't know anything about 747 00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:39.280 it, because I know him personally, and he said to me, well, 748 00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:43.480 tell me about this. I don't know aning about it. So guess 749 00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:54.239 what. Well, So when these when who would be the agency or what 750 00:57:54.519 --> 00:58:01.719 part of the Air Force or whatever interrogated did the witnesses or to brief them 751 00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:07.320 so to speak. Well, the OSI didn't do it. They facilitated it. 752 00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:12.719 It happened in their facility. Keep in mind, a day or two 753 00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:15.480 later Chuck Matthews, who was the OSI commander and a good personal friend. 754 00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:19.320 I said to him, do you have any interest in this? I thought 755 00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:21.920 they would be all excited and interested in him. He said, no, 756 00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:23.559 we don't do this sort of stuff. We're not interested at all. What 757 00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:29.199 a lie, So you know, I thought, okay. Then I found 758 00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:34.599 out that anis well or ncis or whatever the term was, and then I 759 00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:38.800 forgot I think it was NIS. Then Naval Intelligence has responsibility for Great Britain 760 00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:43.920 as far as intelligence and spook stuff. They were the worlds divided up amongst 761 00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:45.840 the various service Army, Navy, air Force, et cetera. And the 762 00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:52.519 Navy had the UK. So when some of the guys say some naval officer 763 00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:54.679 was there and did things in guys in civilian clothes, it was probably a 764 00:58:54.760 --> 00:59:01.559 naval officer who worked with their for the andis CIA or ansay or who knows 765 00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:06.960 who. There's so many spook agencies they all fight amongst themselves, but we 766 00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:09.679 do know that the CIA was there, and we do know that the doctor 767 00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:15.719 was there that administered whatever they did. M Now, why do you do 768 00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:21.079 you think the reason for I guess you would call it the cover up would 769 00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:30.519 be for reasons of national security. What else would it be if it was? 770 00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:34.280 This is beyond the government. Let me tell you, you know, 771 00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:37.480 everybody got all excited I when Hillary Clinton looked like she was going to be 772 00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:40.079 elected because John Podosa is going to push her and they're going to release all 773 00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:45.719 the government files. There are no government files to release. The agencies collect 774 00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:51.400 stuff, forward stuff, fight amongst themselves, but there is a how shall 775 00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:55.199 I say, offshore, not necessarily out of the country, agency, civilian, 776 00:59:55.440 --> 01:00:00.119 contracted. However, I would look at some people, well, I 777 01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:05.679 guess see as they say, I see big low industries, Lockey and on 778 01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:10.400 and on and on, and perhaps some retired senior executives and military whatever, 779 01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:15.400 a small group loosely put together that records are impossible to get to, that 780 01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:21.719 are managing this whole thing. So if you don't believe me, talk to 781 01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:25.559 some people like John Allen Sanders, who's done extensive research. Yeah, Now, 782 01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:30.400 how do these things get do they not get passed down? Like let's 783 01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:34.239 just go all the way back to Roswell. That's always been a question like 784 01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:37.519 if someone some part of the government government knew what was happening, or at 785 01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:44.719 least knew that there was a crash and all that, and does this generationally 786 01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:52.000 go to another person the information or does it just like get tucked away and 787 01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:55.800 sort of die out. I have no idea. You're talking something that's way 788 01:00:55.840 --> 01:01:01.400 beyond anything that you know that most of us will ever have access to. 789 01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:08.679 Yeah, yeah, it's it's interesting to think about how, you know, 790 01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:16.159 how this just gets swept under the rug and then and protected and you know, 791 01:01:16.360 --> 01:01:19.639 I would think some of it, of course, would have to do 792 01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:22.800 with national security when it comes to you know, the weaponry at the base 793 01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:30.039 and just the fact that something invaded the sky that couldn't be controlled. Now, 794 01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:36.440 uh, speaking of that, when this beam of light came down, 795 01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:38.840 I know you mentioned that on the tape, but it kept you kept watching 796 01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:43.119 this come down for another forty five minutes or something like that, I think 797 01:01:43.159 --> 01:01:45.360 it was, but not that long. No, No, it was only 798 01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:50.599 I'm guessing thirty seconds or less. No, but I mean this, the 799 01:01:50.599 --> 01:01:53.639 the crafts were flying around and the beams are coming down. Oh yeah, 800 01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:59.039 okay, yes, I see what you meane. Yeah, when that beam 801 01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:04.199 actually came down near you, did that scare the heck out of you? 802 01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:09.000 What? Certainly did? I had no idea? What you know? Is 803 01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:14.880 this a weapon? Is a method of communication? This a warning? What 804 01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:19.159 is this? Now? And I always went into shock. In fact, 805 01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:22.639 I think it was Chuck DeCaro, you know who he is, the name 806 01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:25.440 from my type analyzed boy stress analysis. He said, boy, you guys 807 01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:30.320 went off the scale there a couple of times. Oh wow, So when 808 01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:37.840 this this, uh yeah, I mean did you did you just stand there 809 01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:39.599 or we like or did you. I just good there and not. I 810 01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:44.519 didn't know what to do. When it kicked off. I was relieved, 811 01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:49.519 I bet. And it came down like almost like a laser or something. 812 01:02:49.599 --> 01:02:52.280 Right, It wasn't like a it didn't radiate. It was a straight theme. 813 01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:59.000 Yeah, ten or twelve or so inches in diameter. Wow, amazing. 814 01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:02.199 And it's so we saw similar beams from the one that was over Bentwater 815 01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:07.079 space and the chatter on the police radio because we had three radios with us. 816 01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:09.119 I was on the command net and I don't remember who one was on 817 01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:14.280 the law enforcement one was on the security net of the cops. Wall was 818 01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:16.000 on one, and Bruce Ingham was on the other. In fact, I 819 01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:21.119 think be Stenza had one on too. And we could hear those guys over 820 01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:25.440 there chatter and I'm making a lot of noise. Uh huh. What the 821 01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:31.199 beam itself? I've heard people describe a beam coming down from a UFO that 822 01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:36.800 actually it's kind of hard to describe. Actually had like an end. In 823 01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:39.239 other words, it didn't go all the way to the ground. But this 824 01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:44.320 thing just shone directly on the ground. It hit directly to the ground. 825 01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:47.639 Yeah, and color, and I could see I could see the dirt party, 826 01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:52.400 you know, dust particles in the air in it. Wow, Oh 827 01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:55.079 boy, that would scare the heck out of me. Well it did, 828 01:03:55.519 --> 01:04:01.760 yeah, absolutely wow. That's why I couldn't sleep when I went home. 829 01:04:03.159 --> 01:04:10.480 I bet, I bet. And going back to the triangular craft that I 830 01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:15.119 mentioned earlier, that people said they saw the crafts looked triangular, but you 831 01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:19.960 they were too far away for you to distinguish that yourself. All the objects 832 01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:26.960 in the sky, all I could see was a bright white light and illuminated 833 01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:30.239 so bright. I couldn't you know, I couldn't pick on a definite I 834 01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:35.880 couldn't say it was a square, rectangular or whatever. Yeah, and this 835 01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:39.840 this thing, you know, you talked earlier about this thing, the eyeball 836 01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:44.400 that blew up into five lights. And did anything else strange like that happen 837 01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:49.000 or formations of the lights in the sky other than the objects we saw to 838 01:04:49.039 --> 01:04:53.679 the north in the sky before that the object came overhead and sent on the 839 01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:57.719 beam. We saw the objects that were elliptical with multi colored lights. That's 840 01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:00.840 what I was calling. The command post said, call Eastern, the air 841 01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:03.559 defense people and the air traffic control people and see what they see. And 842 01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:09.519 they kept telling me nothing. Why I find out later they did. Yeah, 843 01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:12.519 air traffic control people were on record. Now they didn't say anything then 844 01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:18.599 for fear losing their job. Now there's some people are talking about that. 845 01:05:18.679 --> 01:05:23.920 Retired people are talking about that. Now, are you familiar with that? 846 01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:28.039 I know them. I've talked to them. Uh huh. And so they're 847 01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:30.559 actually admitting that, you know, something actually happened. What they said the 848 01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:34.639 air traffic control people was something went across their scope in like eight seconds. 849 01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:38.800 The hundred and twenty miles across the scope, in other words, five thousand 850 01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:43.159 or so miles an hour came back across their scope. And normally when something 851 01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:45.639 goes on the scope, there's a blip blip, you know, when the 852 01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:49.360 radar makes it sweep. They said, these things went straight line, straight 853 01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:55.679 across the scope. Then the object came back again and they saw a glowing 854 01:05:55.840 --> 01:06:00.280 orange red object from the control tire and they saw it go into the worse 855 01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:03.840 where we were. Wow. Wow, now we've gone a record on that. 856 01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:10.199 Uh huh. Now there's Sawn Robert Hastin's movie. Yes, someone asked 857 01:06:10.239 --> 01:06:12.719 if you had watched that. Of course, I'm sure you have. I 858 01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:15.119 was involved in it. Yes, I know all about it. Robert is 859 01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:17.400 a good personal friend. In fact, I had lunch with him two days 860 01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:21.519 ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's he's pretty solid. Uh, 861 01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:29.239 tell me the facts, no nonsense, and he digs in right right. 862 01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:34.679 Let's see, getting back to some of these questions, what do you think 863 01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:40.840 is the motivation of those associated with the government or military who want to suppress 864 01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:46.800 information about ben waters? We kind of covered that, but it's basically probably 865 01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:55.239 a number of different things. He also wanted to know, Oh, how 866 01:06:55.440 --> 01:07:03.480 was the elevated radiation enough to actually be considered evidence? Yes, but not 867 01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:10.199 enough to be dangerous. In other words, I suppose if you ate some 868 01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:14.000 of the soil there, you might have an issue, But to be in 869 01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:17.760 the proximity, no, I was not concerned because I know enough about it. 870 01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:23.840 I did take several physics courses in college, and I was very familiar 871 01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:28.119 with disasterparentness. I've been through a couple of special schools, and I understood 872 01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:31.920 the APN twenty seven. And yes, it was about eight to nine times 873 01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:38.480 higher than background radiation. Background radiation you know you're always exposed to. But 874 01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:41.679 it was enough that you could get readings. Now, keep in mind we 875 01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:45.000 were there on the third night. What we were looking at was from the 876 01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:48.119 first night. No, I don't know what was there and what the half 877 01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:51.960 life was, so I can't tell you, but it was probably pretty strong 878 01:07:53.039 --> 01:07:59.480 the first night. Now, I'm sure you heard in the I don't know 879 01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:01.400 if you noticed it or not, but in the opening that I have in 880 01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:06.880 the opening music clip I have for all my shows, it has Seth Shostak 881 01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:14.079 from SETI is saying that he can explain what happened at Rendlstrom Forest that had 882 01:08:14.119 --> 01:08:15.159 nothing to do with aliens at all. I don't know if you heard that 883 01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:19.079 little clip, but I have met Seth and I spent time on a panel 884 01:08:19.119 --> 01:08:23.359 with them. Let me tell you something. He's a big waste of money. 885 01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:27.000 There's no sense of looking out there for something. It's here. I 886 01:08:27.119 --> 01:08:29.359 try to tell him that, but he doesn't want to hear it because he 887 01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:34.159 loses funding. Absolutely, Yes, I went, I went. I had 888 01:08:34.199 --> 01:08:38.640 to go around with him on this show, which was one of my most 889 01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:43.039 listened to shows. Actually, I have a good comment about him, A 890 01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:47.119 closed mind. Yeah, yeah, you wonder how close it really is, 891 01:08:47.279 --> 01:08:53.239 you know. I mean, there's a on my homepage there's a clip of 892 01:08:55.079 --> 01:08:59.319 Carl Sagan a paper that he wrote back in nineteen sixty two where you know, 893 01:08:59.359 --> 01:09:01.159 he thinks that we've been visited. You know, this was something that 894 01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:05.600 he came out with. Eddie later either changed his mind or stopped talking about 895 01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:12.239 or whatever. But it is interesting. I'm I think that you kind of 896 01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:15.359 hit the nail on the head when you said, of course he lose funding, 897 01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:18.359 so he can't really he can't really go along with that, you know. 898 01:09:18.399 --> 01:09:24.279 I mean he's he's quite a talker. That's my job. Don't threaten 899 01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:29.359 my job, right, So let's go into the debunking, because you know, 900 01:09:29.399 --> 01:09:33.319 you must be so sick of people trying to say this whole thing was 901 01:09:33.319 --> 01:09:39.199 the lighthouse. I mean, that's one of them. The lighthouse. I'm 902 01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:42.520 very familiar. The lighthouse is on a Bodley village. It's actually it's on 903 01:09:42.560 --> 01:09:45.039 Horford Nest. I used to go out there for dinner because there's two pubs 904 01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:48.239 out there that have very good food, reasonable prices. It's a nice plan, 905 01:09:48.319 --> 01:09:50.960 you know, a nice quaint place to go have a dinner sometime quietly. 906 01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:55.680 I'm very familiar with the lighthouse. Now, all the cops may not 907 01:09:55.760 --> 01:09:59.399 have been familiar with the lighthouse, I'll have to say that that's bobabbly true. 908 01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:02.159 I was, In fact, I had a friend that lived in an 909 01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:09.520 apartment out there. It just made it just must seem so ridiculous, ridiculous 910 01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:13.479 to you to hear after everything you saw, the beams coming down to the 911 01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:18.680 feet, the eyeball looking thing bouncing around, Peniston's story of actually seeing the 912 01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:25.640 physical craft and touching it and all that, and for them to you know, 913 01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:28.720 people just are saying it was a lighthouse and that's it. You know, 914 01:10:29.039 --> 01:10:31.079 Well, I made a point. I found the lighthouse keeper, Keith 915 01:10:31.159 --> 01:10:34.479 Siemens is his name, and his wife's name is mar Linda. I had 916 01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:38.800 a drink or two with him, had a long conversation about the lighthouse. 917 01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:44.119 He just laughed. He said, the lighthouse has three lenses, red, 918 01:10:44.359 --> 01:10:46.840 green, and a clear white one. You know clear, he says, 919 01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:51.840 the clear one shines to land. The red end green one or navigational lights. 920 01:10:51.880 --> 01:10:56.079 And if you're a booter you'll know what that means, shine off to 921 01:10:56.199 --> 01:10:59.319 sea. He said, there's no way you could have seen a red light 922 01:10:59.399 --> 01:11:03.319 from the light us right, yeah, red right return, that's how I 923 01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:06.319 remember, yeah, when you're navigating. Yeah, wow, yeah, Well 924 01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:09.640 I'm not. I'm like I say, I'm not a boter, but I 925 01:11:09.680 --> 01:11:15.039 do know that has significance and so and then you know they're saying, oh, 926 01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:19.159 it bounced off the people's windows, you know, the farms nearby and 927 01:11:19.199 --> 01:11:21.520 all that. But you know what I mean, they tell me something. 928 01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:26.720 The lighthouse is not the sea. The farm house was in front of us, 929 01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:31.560 The reflection from the object was off the windows on our side. The 930 01:11:31.640 --> 01:11:35.039 lighthouse is on the other side, you know, a mile or two away. 931 01:11:36.079 --> 01:11:40.720 Now, can is your attitude like you just can't even be bothered with 932 01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:44.279 these people? Or do you actually wow? You know, Ian ridpaths to 933 01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:46.880 want to push us a and I've met him. He and I sat down 934 01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:50.039 a couple of times and talked, and there's no talking to him either. 935 01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:57.359 Yeah, I'm firmly convince that somebody's gotten to them or paying them or whatever. 936 01:11:57.439 --> 01:12:00.600 I have no idea or they're they're is just totally made up. And 937 01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:05.239 it's the same thing I think with many different things. When someone's mind's made 938 01:12:05.279 --> 01:12:10.319 up, there's no way of changing it. You know, they just have 939 01:12:10.439 --> 01:12:15.720 their set ideas and that's it. And we can take a call if anyone 940 01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:19.720 is listening out there and they'd like to give us a call. That number 941 01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:25.159 is six h three nine six seven four three to zero. If you'd like 942 01:12:25.239 --> 01:12:30.560 to ask Charles Halt a question. And so your your book, Let's get 943 01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:38.079 back to that a little bit. So what is some of the work that 944 01:12:38.479 --> 01:12:43.520 John actually put into this book himself. Now he's a retired police officer, 945 01:12:43.640 --> 01:12:46.479 right, yeah, he is. Actually his son is still a police officer. 946 01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:50.000 In fact, I was over last summer with my son and his sign 947 01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:54.720 of arrange for my son and I to go down and visit ten Donny Street. 948 01:12:54.760 --> 01:12:57.760 We actually got in and got up to the door and inside and talked 949 01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:00.319 to people and talked to the cop. Of course, my time was impressed 950 01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:03.800 with the cops are carrying glock seventeens or glock nineteens, I forgot what it 951 01:13:03.920 --> 01:13:08.439 was. But John has done a lot of research. I mean, you 952 01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:12.640 cannot believe the amount of research he's done. He has probably talked to half 953 01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:16.840 the people in Great Britain. I swear he has hundreds and hundreds of cases 954 01:13:16.840 --> 01:13:24.439 in the book of that area things happening really YEA Sizewell which is a nuclear 955 01:13:24.520 --> 01:13:29.520 plant just north of Bentwaters. It's only a couple of miles away has as 956 01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:33.039 many as one hundred sightings in a month. Oh my god. Wow. 957 01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:40.720 Now the base obviously is not active anymore, so probably no sightings. Actually 958 01:13:40.720 --> 01:13:45.359 the basis sort of active, Bill Kimball. They have activities there land yachts 959 01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:50.239 and autocross and things like that. In a film World War two movies there, 960 01:13:50.720 --> 01:13:55.479 it's an industrial park. He raises mushrooms in some of the shelters. 961 01:13:55.479 --> 01:14:00.880 He had geese in some he had a Saudis Prince executive jet in and stuff 962 01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:05.720 like that and storing carrots and whatever. But no, the base and also 963 01:14:06.079 --> 01:14:11.119 at Woodbridge Base, the RAF is there now or excuse me, the British 964 01:14:11.239 --> 01:14:14.239 Army and they have some helicopters and a small unit there, so there's a 965 01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:18.479 little bit more security there, but the base is inactive. Yes, uh 966 01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:21.920 huh. Now, getting back, this is a question that came up on 967 01:14:21.960 --> 01:14:26.840 the chat room. So getting back to the beams of light coming down, 968 01:14:27.359 --> 01:14:31.840 they they were reported to come down also in the weapons storage area. Now, 969 01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:38.920 these these bunkers there are like really really reinforced, so there was no 970 01:14:39.039 --> 01:14:45.560 damage or anything like that or anything reported. I I don't know that any 971 01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:48.079 beam came down there, I said, in or near or you know, 972 01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:54.279 beside whatever that's I got that because I was remember a mile or two away. 973 01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:59.119 I got that from the chatter I heard on the radio. I see, 974 01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:01.640 uh huh. I can tell you the bunkers are concrete bunkers. They're 975 01:15:01.680 --> 01:15:06.319 earthen embanked. Yeah, so they could probably be there. They could probably 976 01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:11.760 be bombed and not affect what's inside. Well, I have no idea, 977 01:15:11.960 --> 01:15:15.960 but I can tell you they're pretty secure. And to get into that area 978 01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:18.359 when we were active, but the only way you could have gotten into the 979 01:15:18.399 --> 01:15:21.319 area is to ram your way in, was something very big and strong, 980 01:15:21.399 --> 01:15:26.039 you know what I mean, some type of attract vehicle probably or drop in 981 01:15:26.079 --> 01:15:30.119 by helicopter. But there were procedures that deal with all of that, and 982 01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:34.119 we had a task force in there in the ATF Alert Fire Team facility of 983 01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:39.000 eight or ten guys armed to the teeth with an armored vehicle. We had 984 01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:42.079 patrols on the ground, we had a patrol in the tire. We had 985 01:15:42.079 --> 01:15:45.239 a thirty and thirty, which means and within thirty minutes, thirty people armed 986 01:15:45.279 --> 01:15:50.039 to the teeth with everything from machine guns that you name it, so wow, 987 01:15:50.439 --> 01:15:56.319 and a backup possible force if necessary. So it was a pretty secure 988 01:15:56.359 --> 01:15:59.359 area. It had a double chain link fence I think there was ten foot 989 01:15:59.439 --> 01:16:02.760 high with razor tape on top, sensors in the ground, sensors on the 990 01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:06.880 fence. Now, I have to tell you we did have some penetrations by 991 01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:12.159 something strange, really on more than one. On more than one occasion, 992 01:16:12.279 --> 01:16:15.640 something got inside, was actually banging on some of the doors and doing some 993 01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:21.159 things and managed to get out with anybody you know catching them. Wow. 994 01:16:21.319 --> 01:16:27.239 Now there was no video cameras obviously, No, there's no videos of that. 995 01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:32.279 Yeah. Wow, there were multiple incidents like that there. That whole 996 01:16:32.319 --> 01:16:38.000 area is very strange. There's some a lot of unexplained stuff happens there. 997 01:16:39.119 --> 01:16:44.279 And a side note that's kind of funny is but the village which is just 998 01:16:44.479 --> 01:16:49.279 up the street is the home of British witchcraft. Really not that that ties 999 01:16:49.319 --> 01:16:53.800 into it, but I just think that's interesting. Well, now, someone 1000 01:16:54.479 --> 01:16:59.920 just to the south as if Bodsey, that's where some of the biggest experimental 1001 01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:03.760 radar was during World War Two, and a lot of funny things happened down 1002 01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:09.520 there, and orford Ness where the lighthouse is. It's where the British did 1003 01:17:09.520 --> 01:17:13.039 a lot of experimental stuff that they don't want to talk about, like nuclear 1004 01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:17.840 triggers and stuff like that. Mm hmm. So after it's fraught with unusual 1005 01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:28.359 things, right, Yeah, after these incidences happened, where there did things 1006 01:17:28.800 --> 01:17:33.760 go ongoing, like after say a few months down the way that did people 1007 01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:39.960 see other things? Yes, and they have to this day to this day 1008 01:17:40.000 --> 01:17:45.239 over and yeah, wow, even the guy had We had a problem in 1009 01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:48.760 the weapons storage area with the rabbits. Now you're going to laugh, but 1010 01:17:48.840 --> 01:17:55.880 the rabbits burrow and rabbits multiply like wow, and they made some of the 1011 01:17:55.920 --> 01:17:59.239 bunkers. The dirt on the bunkers looked like Swiss cheese. So we hired 1012 01:17:59.319 --> 01:18:02.000 mister Jolly to come in with an air rifle. And mister Jolly's job was 1013 01:18:02.039 --> 01:18:04.359 to commit at night with a couple of guards walking around with him when he 1014 01:18:04.399 --> 01:18:09.720 would shoot rabbit after rabbit after rabbit. And mister Jolly can tell you stories 1015 01:18:09.760 --> 01:18:14.079 about saying little green, little nut green, excuse me, little creatures wearing 1016 01:18:14.119 --> 01:18:17.800 long brown clothes like monks in the forest on more than one occasion. I 1017 01:18:17.800 --> 01:18:21.600 mean that's just one example. There's probably fifty one hundred more. Wow. 1018 01:18:23.159 --> 01:18:28.079 So this is like one of these areas that I've had a number of people 1019 01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:31.920 on the show talk about, areas where all these different things are happening. 1020 01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:38.640 But it seems to me, I mean, my first thought was that this 1021 01:18:38.840 --> 01:18:42.600 was happening, happening at the base because of what was there, you know, 1022 01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:45.359 the weapons and things like that. What is your general thought on why 1023 01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:49.600 you think it happens. I think that may have been part of an attraction, 1024 01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:54.319 But I think there's something else. There's some kind of an attraction there, 1025 01:18:54.680 --> 01:18:58.399 a portal there or something there. I don't know what it is. 1026 01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:06.479 Well, yeah, I didn't realize that with that many sightings that you're talking 1027 01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:12.720 about. Uh oh, it's a continual thing. Now. This seems to 1028 01:19:12.760 --> 01:19:19.239 me there's some people getting involved heavily involved in UFO Detection. There's Mark de'antonio 1029 01:19:20.399 --> 01:19:32.840 with his partner Don Trumble. There's also uh Leslie Kane is involved with a 1030 01:19:32.840 --> 01:19:36.199 bunch. He's no longer unless he's a good personal friend of mine. She's 1031 01:19:36.239 --> 01:19:40.000 no longer much involved. She's doing another thing now, Yeah, I know 1032 01:19:40.079 --> 01:19:43.760 she's uh she last time I spoke with her, she said she's writing a 1033 01:19:43.800 --> 01:19:45.600 book. It has nothing to do with UFOs, So maybe she's not. 1034 01:19:46.039 --> 01:19:51.760 Yeah, yeah, okay, well that's too bad because she she's a great 1035 01:19:51.800 --> 01:19:56.119 person to have involved in this. Like I say, I know her very 1036 01:19:56.119 --> 01:20:00.039 well. I've been up to stay with her and about Hopkins, and I 1037 01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:05.199 had a lot of dealings with them. So, but the UFO detection, 1038 01:20:05.279 --> 01:20:10.840 getting back to that, you would think that this area would be a place, 1039 01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:15.960 a prime area for someone to set up something to detect these things that 1040 01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:19.520 are going on there, I would suspect. So if I were to ask 1041 01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:23.159 this, you know, single out of sight, I would start that would 1042 01:20:23.199 --> 01:20:26.359 be a top of my list. But there probably many other places too that 1043 01:20:26.439 --> 01:20:30.119 I don't know about. Yeah, it's so puzzling because you know you mentioned 1044 01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:36.239 a portal. That's definitely one of the possibilities. Because it doesn't seem otherwise 1045 01:20:36.279 --> 01:20:41.520 to make any sense why something keeps happening in a certain area. To me, 1046 01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:47.520 it doesn't make any sense. You know, someone wanted to ask about 1047 01:20:47.560 --> 01:20:54.119 the air traffic controller. We already talked about that. But the there was 1048 01:20:54.159 --> 01:20:59.039 a claim of seeing a massive ship over the bunkers. Is that something you 1049 01:20:59.119 --> 01:21:03.479 heard about. One of the cops said he saw a large equivalent of I 1050 01:21:03.479 --> 01:21:09.000 guess the best way to describe as the mother Ship what I suspected what we 1051 01:21:09.039 --> 01:21:15.479 saw was something under intelligent control with probably you know, no intelligent life in 1052 01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:18.439 it, but some type of a mechanism that it was controlled. That's the 1053 01:21:18.439 --> 01:21:20.840 only thing I can think, because of the size and shape and what it 1054 01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:25.079 did, and the objects I saw in the sky, the way they moved 1055 01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:30.079 at such speed that you and I could never you know, they pulled fifteen, 1056 01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:34.399 twenty, thirty forty g's. There's no way, Wow, anybody intelligent 1057 01:21:34.520 --> 01:21:41.319 or you know or excuse me alive could handle that. Yeah. Absolutely, 1058 01:21:41.319 --> 01:21:45.319 turn into mush. I'm looking. There was somebody told seven g's. I 1059 01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:49.199 know what it's like. Your eyeballs go whip and your vision goes down to 1060 01:21:49.239 --> 01:21:55.680 a pinpoint if you keep that even with a g suit on right, right, 1061 01:21:57.880 --> 01:22:02.600 and I'm sure you get very absolutely. Oh you have no idea? 1062 01:22:03.119 --> 01:22:10.920 Yeah yeah, wow. Well okay, So what do you think this book 1063 01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:13.960 that you've written? What is you know, you say you really want to 1064 01:22:13.960 --> 01:22:17.039 get the truth out there. What are some of the things that you want 1065 01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:26.000 out there that perhaps there's some controversy about. Well, the biggest controversy is 1066 01:22:26.039 --> 01:22:30.000 the nonsense and left the the east gate. It's just so full of I 1067 01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:34.760 mean, it's unbelievable. They talk about cloudbusters. Have you read the book? 1068 01:22:35.560 --> 01:22:39.560 I have the book. I know that at one point I went through 1069 01:22:39.560 --> 01:22:43.760 it, but I don't think I read the whole thing. Wasn't there something 1070 01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:48.359 about beings in there as well? I don't remember about beams in there? 1071 01:22:48.520 --> 01:22:57.359 No beings three possible or something? Oh yeah, Oh supposedly. Gordon Williams, 1072 01:22:57.399 --> 01:23:00.399 my boss and Big Boss drove out there with a staff car down this 1073 01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:03.279 road that had ruts that you would have trouble with a four wheel drive. 1074 01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:09.279 He drove over a burm that would have to have a track vehicle, through 1075 01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:12.239 a barbed wire fence and drove out into the field to meet these things. 1076 01:23:12.279 --> 01:23:15.239 And Don Morland was with them. Well, Don Morland was in Wales. 1077 01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:19.159 Gordon Wins was a social event. If he had taken his staff car, 1078 01:23:19.239 --> 01:23:24.079 which was a Ford crime Victoria, we would have had it. He had 1079 01:23:24.119 --> 01:23:26.399 got part way down the road. We had had to send a wrecker out 1080 01:23:26.399 --> 01:23:30.880 and drag him back. So ridiculous. There were no beans out there, 1081 01:23:31.039 --> 01:23:34.920 unfortunately, that makes a great story. There was no craft that we saw 1082 01:23:34.920 --> 01:23:40.760 on the field. There was none. They talk about the soil samples, 1083 01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:45.319 while the sand was the sandy soil with the structure was changed. The farmer 1084 01:23:45.359 --> 01:23:49.960 had a brush fire and they said, well the grass is greener around the 1085 01:23:50.079 --> 01:23:55.119 edge. Guess what happens when you burn brush. One of the byproducts potassium. 1086 01:23:55.560 --> 01:24:00.239 Guess what potassium is. If he bought fertilizer lately read the bag that's 1087 01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:02.760 went the third ingredient on and on. I mean, it's the whole thing 1088 01:24:02.840 --> 01:24:09.680 is ludicrous. I don't know how else to say it right now. Have 1089 01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:16.159 you? Have you actually had conversations with Larry after the book came out. 1090 01:24:16.960 --> 01:24:19.439 Yes, a couple of times. I tried to tell him if tell the 1091 01:24:19.439 --> 01:24:24.640 truth, I tried to help them with a book. Yeah, yeah, 1092 01:24:25.680 --> 01:24:29.760 I threw up my hands right. And you may not be aware of all 1093 01:24:29.800 --> 01:24:35.479 his low and all his current problems now. And Peter is uh, you 1094 01:24:35.520 --> 01:24:42.039 know, really has basically a really big chunk of his life invested in this 1095 01:24:43.119 --> 01:24:45.039 year, has made a mistake. He's gotten on something he can't get off. 1096 01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:47.520 He's made his whole life on this thing, and now he has a 1097 01:24:47.560 --> 01:24:53.199 problem. Let's face it. They beat up Sally Rail who tried to write 1098 01:24:53.199 --> 01:24:57.039 a book with me years ago. They beat up Georgina Brunie. If you 1099 01:24:57.079 --> 01:25:00.600 know her, she wrote the book. You can't tell the people. They 1100 01:25:00.640 --> 01:25:04.000 beat up Nick Pope, they beat up me. It's all you know, 1101 01:25:04.079 --> 01:25:12.239 slammed by. How many people write books about other people's books. You know 1102 01:25:12.279 --> 01:25:17.239 what these two guys put p T. Barnum the shame talk about con artist. 1103 01:25:18.079 --> 01:25:23.760 Mister Warren is skilled and I hate to tell you, Peter's a good 1104 01:25:23.800 --> 01:25:27.399 speaker. Peter's a talented person, but he has nothing else to do. 1105 01:25:27.520 --> 01:25:32.319 This is his life. It's not my life. M hmm. Okay, 1106 01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:38.039 Well, I'm definitely going to get your book, and I wanted to. 1107 01:25:38.520 --> 01:25:40.840 I think I wrote you a note. I don't know, maybe three or 1108 01:25:40.840 --> 01:25:45.680 four weeks ago. Is it ever going to come out on Kindle? Have 1109 01:25:45.760 --> 01:25:50.119 you other plans in that happening? Yeah, here's the problem. John Hanson 1110 01:25:50.199 --> 01:25:55.680 published the book in England, so it's over there. I have a couple 1111 01:25:55.640 --> 01:25:59.239 of copies, but I you know, I don't have boxes on them like 1112 01:25:59.319 --> 01:26:01.039 most authors do here in the States, a publisher does this and then you 1113 01:26:01.079 --> 01:26:03.720 puts you on a circuit. You go here and you go there, and 1114 01:26:03.720 --> 01:26:06.119 you sell books and you do this. You do a promotional thing. It 1115 01:26:06.159 --> 01:26:11.279 isn't happening. Amazon has the book. Amazon will print it on demand. 1116 01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:14.800 I see they promised to put it on Kindle after the first of the year. 1117 01:26:15.359 --> 01:26:17.880 That's all I can say. But as I told you earlier, I 1118 01:26:17.920 --> 01:26:21.000 didn't write the book for everybody in the country to read. I didn't write 1119 01:26:21.039 --> 01:26:25.159 it to be a best seller. I wrote it for the serious people that 1120 01:26:25.239 --> 01:26:27.880 really care what's going on and want to know the truth. That's what the 1121 01:26:27.880 --> 01:26:31.000 book's for. Yeah, it's going to be a classic rested shirt. Uh 1122 01:26:31.079 --> 01:26:38.279 huh. Yeah. Okay, Now, if someone actually wanted to have a 1123 01:26:38.479 --> 01:26:43.279 signed book by you, can they can they arrange something like this? Well, 1124 01:26:43.359 --> 01:26:47.039 yeah, I don't come to open my mind in February outside any book 1125 01:26:47.079 --> 01:26:51.760 anybody brings in. But that's right. Yeah, and I'll see you there 1126 01:26:53.000 --> 01:26:56.279 as well some of that. Yeah, I'm going to be there, definitely. 1127 01:26:57.600 --> 01:27:01.199 I have a house you and I were talking before the show that I 1128 01:27:01.239 --> 01:27:06.920 feel like I have to babysit because it's just one of these problem houses. 1129 01:27:06.920 --> 01:27:11.439 I'm hoping I can leave it in the middle of February in the cold. 1130 01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:18.239 So anyway, someone wanted to know how the government deals with this type of 1131 01:27:18.279 --> 01:27:24.479 thing. Has it happened on other bases that you're aware of? Oh? 1132 01:27:24.520 --> 01:27:28.439 Yes, really wow. Let me tell you an interesting story. How I 1133 01:27:28.479 --> 01:27:31.479 did the first program, which was Unsolved Mysteries, back in nineteen ninety one. 1134 01:27:31.560 --> 01:27:35.079 I believe, I don't know if you ever saw the program. They 1135 01:27:35.119 --> 01:27:39.600 re rant it about twenty five or thirty times. I wish I'd made arrangements 1136 01:27:39.600 --> 01:27:42.720 to them to get some money from them and residuals, but then I didn't. 1137 01:27:42.840 --> 01:27:46.159 I just wanted the story out there. I was approaching I was still 1138 01:27:46.159 --> 01:27:50.359 on active duty. I was working for the Department of Defense Inspector General. 1139 01:27:50.560 --> 01:27:57.359 I ran the Inspection Directorate, which meant we'll oversea all services, all agencies, 1140 01:27:57.359 --> 01:28:02.600 and sadia, you name it. They called me from Unsolved Mysteries said 1141 01:28:03.399 --> 01:28:05.880 we'd like to do a program on bent Waters. What do you think? 1142 01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:10.079 I said, Oh, I don't know about that. So I went and 1143 01:28:10.119 --> 01:28:13.800 talked to the IG that I worked for, and I said, Derek, 1144 01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:17.600 I've been approached by Unsolved Mysteries to do a program on the Bentwaters incident. 1145 01:28:17.880 --> 01:28:20.960 He said, what's that sit on? So I sat down with him for 1146 01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:24.920 about an hour and I walked him through everything. I knew that I could 1147 01:28:25.000 --> 01:28:29.319 think of. He said, do it. This is the DODG, the 1148 01:28:29.399 --> 01:28:34.800 spector General. So I did the program. So obviously he didn't know anything 1149 01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:39.800 about it. When I left the military, because of my clearance, which 1150 01:28:39.880 --> 01:28:43.880 was beyond top secret, I got a specialty briefing by a team of people 1151 01:28:44.560 --> 01:28:46.000 and they said, you know, you can't talk about this, You can't 1152 01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:48.520 talk about that, and so on and so forth, signed here and so 1153 01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:51.720 on. And I said to them, well, what about bent Waters? 1154 01:28:53.159 --> 01:28:57.000 They said bent Waters? I said, yeah, there was a UFO incident 1155 01:28:57.079 --> 01:29:00.199 there and some month some very strange things and a lot of people have interest 1156 01:29:00.279 --> 01:29:03.279 in it. Can I talk about that? And they said sure, why 1157 01:29:03.279 --> 01:29:10.800 not. Guess what I did? Was that surprising to you? It seems 1158 01:29:10.840 --> 01:29:16.239 like it was. It was. The problem is people think the government is 1159 01:29:16.239 --> 01:29:20.439 a government, one coordinated agency, everybody works together, et cetera, et 1160 01:29:20.520 --> 01:29:29.359 cetera. Guess what, it's a whole bunch of dissimilar agencies. Whatever. 1161 01:29:29.960 --> 01:29:32.560 They compete for money, they compete for mission, they compete for attention, 1162 01:29:32.680 --> 01:29:36.640 they compete for everything. They share when it's appropriate, they share when they 1163 01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:40.560 want to. When they don't want to, they don't. They fight amongst 1164 01:29:40.560 --> 01:29:46.760 themselves all the time. That's a fact. I'm sure you understand that. 1165 01:29:49.760 --> 01:29:55.680 So what happens is all these agencies collect things and it goes somewhere. Where 1166 01:29:55.720 --> 01:30:00.319 does it go? These agencies do things they're told to do. You won't 1167 01:30:00.359 --> 01:30:03.119 find any documentation to speak of anywhere that you can get your hands on, 1168 01:30:03.239 --> 01:30:06.720 or you can use Foyer to get it won't be there. That's why I 1169 01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:12.000 kept I was joking. When I talked to John Podesta, I brief John 1170 01:30:12.039 --> 01:30:15.159 Podesta, and I tried to tell him, I don't care who you are, 1171 01:30:15.199 --> 01:30:18.079 if you're the president, You're not going to find on There's a very 1172 01:30:18.079 --> 01:30:23.000 interesting story which is well documented. When Bill Clinton first got elected, he 1173 01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:26.520 turned to Warren Hubble. You remember Warren Hubble got himself in a lot of 1174 01:30:26.520 --> 01:30:30.319 trouble, but he was he was chief of staff initially, and he said 1175 01:30:30.319 --> 01:30:32.039 to Warren when he got elected, I want to know two things. Who 1176 01:30:32.159 --> 01:30:36.960 killed Kennedy or a UFO is real? Guess what? He never got an 1177 01:30:36.960 --> 01:30:44.399 answer to either one, right right, I had to It's not going to 1178 01:30:44.439 --> 01:30:46.680 come out until it's deemed appropriate to come out. And when will that be. 1179 01:30:47.119 --> 01:30:53.560 I have a feeling we're beating groomed slowly for a release someday. You 1180 01:30:53.600 --> 01:30:56.600 think so, but I think the release the release will be more than a 1181 01:30:56.640 --> 01:31:00.920 shock. Yeah, well, there'd be a lot of explaining to do, 1182 01:31:01.520 --> 01:31:05.239 a lot of splaining to do. As they said, Now, I'm going 1183 01:31:05.319 --> 01:31:08.880 to ask you something you may and not have ever been asked. What is 1184 01:31:09.800 --> 01:31:12.760 uh since this happened to you, of course, that changed your way of 1185 01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:17.880 thinking in your life and everything. What is a sighting that you think is 1186 01:31:17.920 --> 01:31:24.520 really amazing other than Rendellsham. You know, I'm not a member of Euphon, 1187 01:31:25.159 --> 01:31:27.960 although I've gone to a couple of meetings to talk to them. I 1188 01:31:28.000 --> 01:31:31.640 don't subscribe to any of their publications. I've kept it on the shelf. 1189 01:31:31.680 --> 01:31:35.279 That's the easiest way to deal with it. So I really can't tell you. 1190 01:31:35.560 --> 01:31:39.000 I can say there's an awful lot of stuff out there. People send 1191 01:31:39.079 --> 01:31:41.239 me stuff all the time. I read and just put it in a file. 1192 01:31:41.880 --> 01:31:45.279 Yeah. I've been accused of everything from seeing the Second Coming of Christ 1193 01:31:45.279 --> 01:31:47.760 though hoots with the Devil to you name it. I've saved all those letters. 1194 01:31:47.800 --> 01:31:53.560 By the way, they make interesting reading. Oh people, some real 1195 01:31:53.640 --> 01:31:58.399 weird people out there, more strange ideas well. Obviously they can find you 1196 01:31:58.439 --> 01:32:02.600 too, so oh, yeah, you do have a website, of course, 1197 01:32:03.279 --> 01:32:06.680 but no, actually I don't. John has one. He put one 1198 01:32:06.760 --> 01:32:10.600 up, But you know, I don't have a I have a Facebook. 1199 01:32:10.840 --> 01:32:14.479 I didn't put anything on it. I don't want to be pestered. Yeah, 1200 01:32:14.920 --> 01:32:16.640 I've called legs that I dealt with in the military that have nothing to 1201 01:32:16.680 --> 01:32:19.199 do with UFOs to say, come on, I get on Facebook with us 1202 01:32:19.199 --> 01:32:20.760 and do this and do that. Said, no, I don't want, 1203 01:32:21.399 --> 01:32:24.560 you know, I don't want to be bothered all the time. I get 1204 01:32:24.680 --> 01:32:28.159 enough stuff email now, but that I can't keep track of. Yeah, 1205 01:32:28.319 --> 01:32:32.600 yeah, are there were there times over the years where you just did you 1206 01:32:32.720 --> 01:32:36.880 feel like someone else who we spoke about earlier that didn't want to talk about 1207 01:32:36.920 --> 01:32:41.640 it at all? Did you ever feel that way, like I don't want 1208 01:32:41.640 --> 01:32:46.159 to ever talk about this again. Well, I gave up on a book 1209 01:32:46.479 --> 01:32:54.640 really after trying to work one with Sally raiwan with Gary Hezel time. There's 1210 01:32:54.680 --> 01:32:58.520 a trip boy. I tell you, I don't believe his magazine. He 1211 01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:01.399 calls it the Truth Magazine. That's most ridiculous name for it. But anyhow, 1212 01:33:02.279 --> 01:33:05.079 yeah I did. I was going to just throw it all away, 1213 01:33:05.119 --> 01:33:11.880 but then John Hanson conned me into working with him on a book. Yeah, 1214 01:33:12.079 --> 01:33:15.960 yeah, and how about going forward? Do you think this is? 1215 01:33:15.960 --> 01:33:18.840 Is this going to be it for you? As far as the book goes, 1216 01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:24.680 I don't plan on doing anything else. Although I've come into some more 1217 01:33:24.720 --> 01:33:28.000 information that John's going to put in the book. There was something we didn't 1218 01:33:28.000 --> 01:33:30.600 want to put in air for fear of some legal reasons. I mean, 1219 01:33:30.920 --> 01:33:33.680 Larry WARN's got himself in a lot of trouble recently. I mean, it's 1220 01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:38.439 unbelievable. We even discovered some one of the photos, if not more in 1221 01:33:38.479 --> 01:33:44.319 the book or photoshopped. Yes, yeah, yeah, I saw exactly what 1222 01:33:44.399 --> 01:33:46.520 your I saw exactly what you're talking about. We have a call coming in. 1223 01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:50.760 Let's see if we can. Yeah, for some reason, it's not 1224 01:33:50.920 --> 01:33:56.119 letting me add the call. That's gonna put you on hold, and I 1225 01:33:56.159 --> 01:34:01.319 don't know how to yeh, it's gone already. That's too bad, because 1226 01:34:01.319 --> 01:34:06.199 I'd like to take a call, and it's unfortunate. So I'm sure you're 1227 01:34:06.239 --> 01:34:10.760 listening the caller that just called in. If you'd like to join the chat 1228 01:34:10.800 --> 01:34:14.359 room and just pose a question there, I'd be glad to be glad to 1229 01:34:14.399 --> 01:34:23.680 ask that. So Robert Hasting. You brought him up earlier. Does he 1230 01:34:25.439 --> 01:34:31.199 does he think this thing had to do with nukes? That's what the title 1231 01:34:31.199 --> 01:34:35.880 of his book is. Yeah, No, I mean, I mean Randalstrom 1232 01:34:35.960 --> 01:34:42.359 Forrest. Well, I think I answered your question. I said that's I 1233 01:34:42.399 --> 01:34:45.439 did a chapter in his book with him. Okay, yeah, I know 1234 01:34:45.520 --> 01:34:51.479 it's a sensitive subject to talk about that. You can't actually I believe you 1235 01:34:51.520 --> 01:34:57.560 can't even actually say one way or the other about that topic. I cannot 1236 01:34:57.640 --> 01:35:02.479 confirm or deny whatever was about waters, right right. You have to understand 1237 01:35:02.520 --> 01:35:05.600 and respect that. Please. Oh sure, yeah, I do, I 1238 01:35:05.600 --> 01:35:13.720 do. Okay. Someone just is trying to text me on okay, a 1239 01:35:13.840 --> 01:35:20.840 voice message. I can't get that right now. So okay, So what 1240 01:35:21.359 --> 01:35:28.399 part of the book do you think is like some any anything in there that's 1241 01:35:28.439 --> 01:35:33.560 other than what we've been talking about that is new that John added to the 1242 01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:39.520 Rendolsom Forest. Yeah, there's a there's about five pages in the back of 1243 01:35:39.560 --> 01:35:45.079 the book which have some interesting stuff. I mentioned earlier about Larry Warren's temporary 1244 01:35:45.119 --> 01:35:47.279 or whatever girlfriend at the time who came forward and she put a lot of 1245 01:35:47.279 --> 01:35:50.279 stuff in there, and a few other staff. We put all that stuff 1246 01:35:50.279 --> 01:35:54.319 in the book so people can read and make their own decision. And I 1247 01:35:54.399 --> 01:35:57.800 commented, So the book isn't just I saw this, I did this, 1248 01:35:57.960 --> 01:36:01.960 I did that. The book has all these incidents in it, oh gosh, 1249 01:36:02.359 --> 01:36:05.960 hundreds of them, a lot of color pictures, some are black and 1250 01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:12.560 white, comments from people. Then we put stuff in there that somebody said 1251 01:36:12.560 --> 01:36:15.800 this, somebody said that. I mean one of the locals said what we 1252 01:36:15.880 --> 01:36:19.520 saw was his manure wagon that caught on fire as he rode through the forest. 1253 01:36:20.359 --> 01:36:24.520 One of the cops, Kevin Condy, who I knew, who was 1254 01:36:24.560 --> 01:36:28.439 a trip in himself, says well, I took a police car out there 1255 01:36:28.479 --> 01:36:30.439 and put a red light on. Well, buddy, if you look a 1256 01:36:30.439 --> 01:36:32.039 police car enter, you'd never gotten it back. And then she had a 1257 01:36:32.119 --> 01:36:36.279 toad. Besides, what were you doing off the base? And you know, 1258 01:36:36.279 --> 01:36:40.439 it's all kinds of crazy stories out there about it. Everybody has. 1259 01:36:40.479 --> 01:36:44.840 It seems like a take on a thing. So we put that in a 1260 01:36:44.880 --> 01:36:47.239 book, read it, and then I comment on it. So you have 1261 01:36:47.279 --> 01:36:49.159 to read the whole book, if you know what I mean. You can't 1262 01:36:49.199 --> 01:36:53.800 just read a part of it. It doesn't read like a novel or you 1263 01:36:53.800 --> 01:36:58.319 know, I started here and went to there. So it has a whole 1264 01:36:58.359 --> 01:37:00.520 lot of stuff in it says a wealth of information, and there's more coming 1265 01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:04.920 out yet. So we're trying to decide how much more to put if we 1266 01:37:04.960 --> 01:37:08.840 ever revised the book. Oh, I see, you can revise it, 1267 01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:12.920 or you wouldn't be sending out an addenda to people that have already bought the 1268 01:37:12.960 --> 01:37:15.279 book. I don't know how John's going to do that. I leave that 1269 01:37:15.319 --> 01:37:20.159 to him. I'm not a writer and I'm not a publisher, Okay. 1270 01:37:20.720 --> 01:37:27.439 I just got unintentionally involved in an incident that caused a great dear fury. 1271 01:37:28.319 --> 01:37:31.159 Uh huh. Someone wanted to know what about the shadows moving around the craft 1272 01:37:31.319 --> 01:37:35.600 after people stopped walking? Are you familiar with that? No, I'm not, 1273 01:37:35.920 --> 01:37:40.000 okay, and speaking, I haven't heard that before. You mean the 1274 01:37:40.760 --> 01:37:45.560 first night. I suppose that's what he is meaning by the question speaking of 1275 01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:50.640 that, though when Peniston touched the craft, first of all, he may 1276 01:37:50.640 --> 01:37:58.199 be one of the only people's ever touched something possibly reached out purposely to touch 1277 01:37:58.359 --> 01:38:02.920 something that could possibly be extraterrestrial. I remember him saying it was warm to 1278 01:38:02.920 --> 01:38:09.880 touch and smooth like glass. That I think took a lot of courage to 1279 01:38:10.279 --> 01:38:12.880 do that. I would never do that anymore or something. Okay, I 1280 01:38:12.920 --> 01:38:17.000 don't think anybody sure what happened in the forest the first night. Mm hmm. 1281 01:38:18.039 --> 01:38:21.840 Have you read their their statements. I took statements from him after the 1282 01:38:21.880 --> 01:38:26.600 event occurred. They did not. Oh yeah, I have them. I 1283 01:38:26.600 --> 01:38:30.239 still have the original statements. They did not mention anything of that nature. 1284 01:38:31.840 --> 01:38:36.600 Really they know. He described the craft as being nine foot on a side, 1285 01:38:36.600 --> 01:38:41.520 triangular with lights, et cetera, et cetera. He never talked about 1286 01:38:41.560 --> 01:38:50.279 the symbols. He never talked about touching it. Cabanasak. Poor guy told 1287 01:38:50.439 --> 01:38:54.520 one person he didn't tell me. He didn't put in a statement. His 1288 01:38:54.600 --> 01:38:58.159 statement was, by the way, was coherced. I think they all were. 1289 01:38:59.800 --> 01:39:02.359 That he saw John being beamed up when the object went up off the 1290 01:39:02.359 --> 01:39:08.479 ground. How did that happen. I don't know what happened with him. 1291 01:39:08.640 --> 01:39:12.159 I'm not really sure, and I'm not sure they are. I'm not saying 1292 01:39:12.199 --> 01:39:15.720 Penison didn't touch the craft. What I'm saying is I'm not sure they know 1293 01:39:15.800 --> 01:39:19.560 what happened for sure, because whatever they confronted in the forest did something to 1294 01:39:19.640 --> 01:39:25.199 them, and then they were subjected to how shall I say, a debriefing 1295 01:39:26.159 --> 01:39:30.279 with drugs and hypnosis. Wow, so that can really mess you up that 1296 01:39:30.359 --> 01:39:33.520 much where you can have false memories like that. Oh yeah. In fact, 1297 01:39:34.239 --> 01:39:39.279 I had a long conversation when one time I was staying with Bun Hopkins, 1298 01:39:39.319 --> 01:39:45.000 you know Bun Hopkins, and Bud said the words he used were induced 1299 01:39:45.279 --> 01:39:54.199 in screen memories. We were talking about Warren. Isn't that something the craft 1300 01:39:54.479 --> 01:40:00.039 itself? Though he mentioned it seeing it and it was in your report. 1301 01:40:00.520 --> 01:40:05.079 You actually wrote that word. But when you spoke with him at first, 1302 01:40:05.119 --> 01:40:08.840 he didn't talk about that. No, no, no, he did that, 1303 01:40:08.920 --> 01:40:11.520 but he didn't tell me about touching, and he didn't tell me about 1304 01:40:11.560 --> 01:40:17.600 the symbols. And now I keep in mind they were debriefed before I got 1305 01:40:17.640 --> 01:40:26.359 to them. Oh okay, you mean and actually drugged and everything before you 1306 01:40:26.439 --> 01:40:33.920 actually yes. So. And it's interesting because some of the statements are typed 1307 01:40:34.399 --> 01:40:39.560 when you take an official statement by the police or the OSI or whenever you 1308 01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:44.479 do it in handwriting. Mm hmm. There's a good reason for that. 1309 01:40:45.560 --> 01:40:50.439 And what is that that is so that it's you know, an expert can 1310 01:40:50.479 --> 01:40:55.079 say that's his or her whatever writing. Oh okay, I see what you're 1311 01:40:55.079 --> 01:40:58.840 saying, yeah, okay, And we know that some of the states. 1312 01:40:58.880 --> 01:41:02.439 Most of the statements were typed when they brought them to me typed. The 1313 01:41:02.479 --> 01:41:08.960 only one in handwriting was John Burrows. The others were all typed. Guess 1314 01:41:09.039 --> 01:41:14.000 what, I think they were cleaned up, well, once they made up, 1315 01:41:14.039 --> 01:41:18.399 I think they were cleaned up. Yeah, but the story would probably 1316 01:41:18.479 --> 01:41:23.520 never have come up. A couple of things. And Larry Warne says he 1317 01:41:23.560 --> 01:41:27.760 was the whistleblower, He wasn't the original whistleblower. J. D. Ingles 1318 01:41:27.920 --> 01:41:32.000 was under the aka of Steve Roberts. He was set up and sent up 1319 01:41:32.039 --> 01:41:35.319 by mel Zickler, who was a squadron commander who was ted ties to the 1320 01:41:35.359 --> 01:41:43.840 OSI and perhaps other places, and told Brenda Butler's boyfriend in a bar he 1321 01:41:43.960 --> 01:41:47.760 was playing music that he got involved in it and whatnot. Brenda Butler got 1322 01:41:47.800 --> 01:41:53.239 involved, and next thing you know, Jenny Randalls and Dot Street were involved, 1323 01:41:53.239 --> 01:41:58.079 and they wrote the book Skycraft. You've probably heard of the book. 1324 01:41:58.319 --> 01:42:02.039 It'side of print now, I think. And I actually tried to help them 1325 01:42:02.079 --> 01:42:04.279 keep on track a little bit, but I got tired of them. They 1326 01:42:04.279 --> 01:42:09.920 got to be a nuisance pestering me all the time. I mean, they 1327 01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:13.439 kidnapped my teenage son at the time, and a lot of other stuff went 1328 01:42:13.479 --> 01:42:17.520 on. I had him physically removed from my house. They refused that they 1329 01:42:17.560 --> 01:42:23.119 came in and got the house and wouldn't leave. Oh yeah, it's it's 1330 01:42:23.119 --> 01:42:27.960 a very interesting story. Wow. Wow, Just a note here. I 1331 01:42:28.039 --> 01:42:30.319 just wanted to make sure that I said this to you. Someone wrote me 1332 01:42:30.359 --> 01:42:35.439 and they said that they would like to thank you and other personal other military 1333 01:42:35.479 --> 01:42:42.319 personnel for coming forward and talking about this story. So I just want to 1334 01:42:42.319 --> 01:42:45.239 do, you know, a public thank you to you for doing that. 1335 01:42:45.479 --> 01:42:49.039 Another question in the forum, do you think this event would have had more 1336 01:42:49.159 --> 01:42:55.319 media coverage if it occurred at a base in the US compared to Great Britain. 1337 01:43:00.079 --> 01:43:01.520 We can't answer that. I don't know. It didn't get any media 1338 01:43:01.560 --> 01:43:06.520 coverage there until later. Yeah, so actually what two years later? It 1339 01:43:06.560 --> 01:43:10.199 was two years later when the News of the World broke the story. In 1340 01:43:10.199 --> 01:43:15.199 fact, the senior editor, Keith Phoebe, came to me and wanted, 1341 01:43:15.239 --> 01:43:18.479 you know, the inside story, and I wasn't too excited about it, 1342 01:43:19.000 --> 01:43:21.680 and he said, well, I'll give you I think it was twenty thousand 1343 01:43:21.760 --> 01:43:26.960 pounds or something of a pretty significant amount of money. I said, well, 1344 01:43:27.079 --> 01:43:30.680 I you know, that's very tempting at all. And I thought about 1345 01:43:30.680 --> 01:43:32.600 it, and I said, gee, I could use that to pay my 1346 01:43:32.680 --> 01:43:35.079 daughter's education and all. And he said, well, i'll give you the 1347 01:43:35.119 --> 01:43:39.479 money, you give me the whole story. So I went and I said, 1348 01:43:39.520 --> 01:43:41.720 no, I can't do it. I've talked to the judge advocate who 1349 01:43:41.800 --> 01:43:46.079 was what was his name anyhow, and I said, well, can I 1350 01:43:46.119 --> 01:43:48.479 take the money and give it to the Air Force agents aside? And he 1351 01:43:48.520 --> 01:43:51.359 said you can't do that. So I told Keith Phoebe, I'm sorry, 1352 01:43:51.399 --> 01:43:55.279 I can't cooperate with you. Well, he managed to find some other people 1353 01:43:55.359 --> 01:43:59.279 to talk. When he came to the base, they called me from the 1354 01:43:59.319 --> 01:44:02.119 gate and said, Keith BB from News of the World is here. At 1355 01:44:02.119 --> 01:44:05.439 that time, News of the World was pretty significant. It was sort of 1356 01:44:05.479 --> 01:44:11.239 like the National Enquirer. And they said, then he wants your biography. 1357 01:44:11.319 --> 01:44:15.039 I saw, so I ran over to public affairs, which is across the 1358 01:44:15.399 --> 01:44:18.920 corridor across the parking lot and pulled my file which had my picture and my 1359 01:44:19.000 --> 01:44:23.399 biography in it, and he came in and I talked with him and we 1360 01:44:23.560 --> 01:44:27.000 said I said no way after talking to the judge. So he went over 1361 01:44:27.039 --> 01:44:30.760 there to find my file and he couldn't find my file, so he pulled 1362 01:44:30.760 --> 01:44:34.399 Gordon Williams file and he put his picture in the front page the News of 1363 01:44:34.439 --> 01:44:40.840 the World, which caused him some great grief. He still got promoted, 1364 01:44:40.840 --> 01:44:44.199 but I mean he became a laughing stock for a while amongst all the generals. 1365 01:44:45.199 --> 01:44:49.039 Yeah. Now, has anyone made any money off of this? You 1366 01:44:49.079 --> 01:44:55.920 know you said this guy was offering twenty pounds? Has Harry Harris sold my 1367 01:44:56.239 --> 01:45:03.119 sold my tape for small fortune? I've been paid expense money, you know, 1368 01:45:03.239 --> 01:45:06.199 enough to cover. In fact, I've lost money a couple of times, 1369 01:45:06.439 --> 01:45:10.479 going to a couple of conferences and whatnot and talking to just give a 1370 01:45:10.520 --> 01:45:14.159 speech. But gosh, have I made a lot of money? No? 1371 01:45:14.439 --> 01:45:15.119 Am I going to make a lot of money off the book? No? 1372 01:45:15.239 --> 01:45:18.319 I don't expect to make anything. In fact, the last time I went 1373 01:45:18.359 --> 01:45:23.079 back to England, which was two years ago, I went under the understanding 1374 01:45:23.119 --> 01:45:25.399 that they would just pay my expenses, in other words, my airfare and 1375 01:45:25.439 --> 01:45:30.640 my meals and pay for the hotel and any money made. The idea was 1376 01:45:30.720 --> 01:45:34.680 we would have it filmed. My presentation filmed and it will be sold and 1377 01:45:34.760 --> 01:45:39.279 all the proceeds would go to the Forest Service there, who desperately needed money 1378 01:45:39.279 --> 01:45:43.279 to improve that area. Well, the lady that filmed it, guess what 1379 01:45:43.359 --> 01:45:45.960 she did. She put her on the internet the next day and blew all 1380 01:45:46.000 --> 01:45:50.159 that. I was furious. That's one of the reasons I went, you 1381 01:45:50.199 --> 01:45:55.039 know, two reasons, to tell the truth and to make a little money 1382 01:45:55.079 --> 01:45:59.000 for the Forest service people because they put up with a lot of nonsense because 1383 01:45:59.279 --> 01:46:02.600 they get swam people coming in there. I bet, I bet, I 1384 01:46:02.640 --> 01:46:06.520 mean, I consider you know it said in the opening, you know, 1385 01:46:06.560 --> 01:46:13.119 I consider this, you know the It's one of the top cases and of 1386 01:46:13.159 --> 01:46:15.239 all time. I think, you know, I consider it. I've mentioned 1387 01:46:15.279 --> 01:46:20.479 that many times in the show, and oftentimes when I'm talking to a skeptic, 1388 01:46:21.119 --> 01:46:27.159 I bring up this particular case because I think, you know, there's 1389 01:46:27.199 --> 01:46:30.840 there's so much credibility to it when it comes to the military, and you 1390 01:46:30.880 --> 01:46:39.279 know, I remember Seth Shostak rebuttal to that was that it no one is 1391 01:46:39.319 --> 01:46:43.800 a better observer than you know. I mean, it doesn't it doesn't make 1392 01:46:43.800 --> 01:46:47.359 any difference, basically, is what he said, which I think is kind 1393 01:46:47.359 --> 01:46:55.079 of bolooney myself. Have you yourself since that time, since has happened? 1394 01:46:55.119 --> 01:46:59.760 Have you had any other sightings of any kind? None? None? What's 1395 01:46:59.760 --> 01:47:02.079 so of her? You don't want one either, do you? Not? 1396 01:47:02.479 --> 01:47:06.119 Particularly? But I have to tell you, I've had a lot of people 1397 01:47:06.159 --> 01:47:12.039 approach me to tell me some stories, and some of them are very credible 1398 01:47:12.079 --> 01:47:16.239 people that are pretty far out there. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that 1399 01:47:16.399 --> 01:47:24.359 happens it and you've probably had some kind of all the people that would not 1400 01:47:24.560 --> 01:47:30.399 want to talk to anyone else about it. Right. In fact, my 1401 01:47:30.880 --> 01:47:32.920 neighbor across the street, who has since moved, who was a very highly 1402 01:47:32.960 --> 01:47:38.239 respected doctor, told me a very interesting story that happened to him. He 1403 01:47:38.239 --> 01:47:41.159 said, but I've never told anybody else this, And he only did that 1404 01:47:41.279 --> 01:47:44.960 after I did the Unsolved Mysteries and he saw it. He said, I 1405 01:47:45.000 --> 01:47:46.279 have to tell you. I believe what you said. He said, let 1406 01:47:46.279 --> 01:47:51.840 me tell you what happened to me, and he told me. I said, 1407 01:47:51.960 --> 01:47:56.479 wow, And he's not the only one. Other, like I say, 1408 01:47:56.560 --> 01:48:00.760 other are very credible people and they don't advertise it and those cases. 1409 01:48:00.520 --> 01:48:05.439 Yeah. Yeah. Now, have you ever been like somewhere and someone recognized 1410 01:48:05.479 --> 01:48:10.800 you? Has that happened like walking A couple of times. Yeah, yeah, 1411 01:48:10.800 --> 01:48:13.920 a couple of times. Not very often. I keep a low profile. 1412 01:48:13.960 --> 01:48:16.199 I don't. I don't go around looking for public city, right right. 1413 01:48:16.560 --> 01:48:19.800 Yeah. Now, if I go to a conference somewhere and speaking, 1414 01:48:19.880 --> 01:48:24.039 obviously some people say hey and you don't want to talk about it and ask 1415 01:48:24.079 --> 01:48:27.720 me questions, which is it's very reasonable to be expected, right. But 1416 01:48:27.800 --> 01:48:30.119 no, if I go to the home depot or lows, or if I 1417 01:48:30.199 --> 01:48:31.680 go to you know, one of the department stores, or I go somewhere 1418 01:48:31.720 --> 01:48:38.159 to the gas station. I think maybe one oh one time my place in 1419 01:48:38.159 --> 01:48:41.640 West Virginia, the guy that put the propane tame a big pro Paine tank 1420 01:48:41.720 --> 01:48:45.479 because I use pro paanet heat along with wood. But the guy that installed 1421 01:48:45.479 --> 01:48:51.680 that recognized me. Oh, he knew the name, and you know, 1422 01:48:51.399 --> 01:48:55.119 he asked me a whole lot of questions and whatnot. But other than that, 1423 01:48:55.239 --> 01:48:58.680 no nobody bothers me. And that's fine. Yeah, I'm not looking 1424 01:48:58.720 --> 01:49:01.479 for that. Now. Do you stay in touch with a number of people 1425 01:49:01.640 --> 01:49:06.800 that were there, that that experienced that with you? From time to time, 1426 01:49:06.920 --> 01:49:12.359 John Burrows is after me for something. John's still looking for answers and 1427 01:49:12.439 --> 01:49:15.479 John's never going to get answers because there were only three of them out there, 1428 01:49:15.800 --> 01:49:18.920 and three of them, you know, and they don't know for sure 1429 01:49:19.079 --> 01:49:24.880 everything that happened. And he's just knocking. He's not going to get answers. 1430 01:49:24.920 --> 01:49:29.319 He keeps searching here and searching there. And I hate to tell him, 1431 01:49:29.319 --> 01:49:31.000 but you know, John, put it on. I've been telling him 1432 01:49:31.039 --> 01:49:33.039 for years, put it on a shelf. Get all with your life, 1433 01:49:33.079 --> 01:49:38.479 don't worry about it. Yeah, you're not going to get answers. Don't 1434 01:49:38.479 --> 01:49:41.840 get obsessed, which he is. Yeah, I think, uh, I 1435 01:49:41.880 --> 01:49:45.760 think that's kind of the truth for a lot of this field is you know, 1436 01:49:45.800 --> 01:49:50.119 I do this out of total interest. A question that came up that 1437 01:49:53.159 --> 01:49:57.399 I think could be kind of interesting. What does your family think about this? 1438 01:49:57.640 --> 01:50:00.960 People close to you think about the situation. Well, my wife is 1439 01:50:00.119 --> 01:50:05.039 just put up with it, but she's gone to it. No, I 1440 01:50:05.039 --> 01:50:09.199 don't talk about it every day or any day. Of course, a lot's 1441 01:50:09.239 --> 01:50:11.800 come out recently with the book, and you know, people and I get 1442 01:50:12.199 --> 01:50:15.319 going back and forth with John Hanson, trying to sort things out and whatnot, 1443 01:50:15.119 --> 01:50:18.520 and she probably gets a bit irritated that I spend all the time doing 1444 01:50:18.560 --> 01:50:23.199 that not all the time, but a lot of time doing that. And 1445 01:50:23.800 --> 01:50:28.239 no, but she's watched enough programs now and listened to a couple I've taken 1446 01:50:28.239 --> 01:50:30.720 to a couple of things I've done and listened to other people. But she's 1447 01:50:30.720 --> 01:50:35.840 convinced too there's something to it. And my kids are too, but they're 1448 01:50:35.840 --> 01:50:41.359 busy doing other things and I try not to get them involved. Uh, 1449 01:50:41.439 --> 01:50:45.119 were you? But I do remember you told me when we met in North 1450 01:50:45.119 --> 01:50:49.479 Carolina. You told me that your son was talking about the tape or something 1451 01:50:51.399 --> 01:50:54.920 being out on YouTube. He thought it was kind of cool or something like 1452 01:50:54.960 --> 01:50:58.960 that. Yeah, he just thought it was kind of funny, he said. 1453 01:50:58.960 --> 01:51:01.039 A couple of his friends say, is that your dad? Oh? 1454 01:51:01.159 --> 01:51:06.199 Yes, just just lost it off. Now, when you were you with 1455 01:51:06.279 --> 01:51:13.319 your wife at the time this happened, No, I sa asked away. 1456 01:51:13.560 --> 01:51:17.399 My first wife passed away. Oh gosh, twenty seven years ago. I 1457 01:51:17.399 --> 01:51:23.600 I'm sorry to hear that, Sorry to hear that. So now, the 1458 01:51:23.720 --> 01:51:28.319 reason I was asking that question is when you're in a situation like that and 1459 01:51:28.399 --> 01:51:34.199 you're were you actually ever told just the words you cannot talk about this? 1460 01:51:35.920 --> 01:51:40.760 Never? You were never told that. Never. The factor's kind of you 1461 01:51:40.800 --> 01:51:44.399 know, when I gave Don Morland a memo, I expected within days to 1462 01:51:44.479 --> 01:51:48.000 have somebody from the mod or whatever, you know, British come and say, 1463 01:51:48.039 --> 01:51:50.640 well, tell me more about what happened when we need to get involved 1464 01:51:50.680 --> 01:51:55.800 in this. And nothing happened. And nothing happened, and I kept asking 1465 01:51:55.840 --> 01:51:59.600 Don Morland, you know, doesn't anybody care, doesn't anybody interest? He 1466 01:51:59.640 --> 01:52:01.920 kept saying, I haven't heard anything. I haven't heard anything. It sort 1467 01:52:01.920 --> 01:52:05.359 of reminds me, are you familiar with the Beatle Bailey comic strip. Yes, 1468 01:52:09.399 --> 01:52:13.000 general half track goes out from the mailbox looking for letters from the Pentagon 1469 01:52:13.079 --> 01:52:18.119 and there's never any there. We never heard anything, nothing, And you 1470 01:52:18.159 --> 01:52:20.960 know, he just threw up his hands and he and I just said, 1471 01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:26.560 well, I guess there's no interest. Until obviously it hit the press and 1472 01:52:26.560 --> 01:52:30.800 then people started bugging, bugging an m D. You know. An interesting 1473 01:52:30.840 --> 01:52:32.960 thing is they've released most of them, not all their I say most of 1474 01:52:33.000 --> 01:52:38.720 their files. But there's a blank in there on Bentwaters. Yeah, I 1475 01:52:38.720 --> 01:52:43.760 remember hearing that is that's Nick Popos. Nick went back searching to try and 1476 01:52:43.760 --> 01:52:47.479 get all the details, and there is a big gap there that the files 1477 01:52:47.560 --> 01:52:59.760 went missing. Amazing now when after this happened, of say, within the 1478 01:52:59.800 --> 01:53:03.800 next few weeks, was there a lot of chatter like between everyone on you 1479 01:53:03.840 --> 01:53:09.359 said, there's fourteen thousand people that were involved in Is that a lot of 1480 01:53:09.600 --> 01:53:12.600 the rumors went around the base, and you know, everybody teach me about 1481 01:53:12.640 --> 01:53:15.279 it, really but no, But I have to tell you one thing. 1482 01:53:15.680 --> 01:53:19.279 I found a guy that was working in the call center communication center, and 1483 01:53:19.319 --> 01:53:23.479 he said, the night I was out there, he said, they were 1484 01:53:23.520 --> 01:53:28.880 overloaded with high priority calls going off the base, going off the base, 1485 01:53:29.079 --> 01:53:32.760 so people were actually talking to the loved ones or whatever and telling them what 1486 01:53:32.840 --> 01:53:34.960 was going on. Now, I don't think it was the people talking to 1487 01:53:34.960 --> 01:53:41.680 their loved ones. I think it was senior staff communicating or some people from 1488 01:53:41.720 --> 01:53:45.039 certain agencies that were on the base that were communicating. But he said, 1489 01:53:45.039 --> 01:53:48.199 boy, the switchboard lit up for a while. Wow. Wow, that's 1490 01:53:48.199 --> 01:53:55.119 something I never heard before. That's amazing. So wow, Well this has 1491 01:53:55.159 --> 01:54:01.760 been Oh have you seen any of the Hunted ski Oh I'm sorry this of 1492 01:54:01.760 --> 01:54:08.560 course you have. You've probably read the Hunters called volumes. Yeah, yeah, 1493 01:54:08.640 --> 01:54:12.039 I understand. They're very good. Actually I have never read. They're 1494 01:54:12.159 --> 01:54:15.840 very detailed. I'm telling you there. You know, it's periods of time 1495 01:54:15.159 --> 01:54:18.279 nineteen forty to nineteen forty three or whatever, on and on and on and 1496 01:54:18.279 --> 01:54:23.199 on. I don't know how John ever finds time or the effort or the 1497 01:54:23.239 --> 01:54:26.960 money or whatever to do all that, but he certainly does. Did he 1498 01:54:27.359 --> 01:54:31.079 have any UFO sightings while he was a police officer, He's never told me 1499 01:54:31.119 --> 01:54:33.680 about it. If he has, uh huh. But he just had a 1500 01:54:33.680 --> 01:54:39.479 fascination with the topic he may have had. I'm trying to think maybe he 1501 01:54:39.520 --> 01:54:42.399 did mention something, but I don't. It didn't stick in my mind if 1502 01:54:42.399 --> 01:54:47.159 he did. Uh huh. Well, this has been very delightful. I've 1503 01:54:47.199 --> 01:54:54.239 really really enjoyed this. Always enjoy talking to you, and it's always good 1504 01:54:54.279 --> 01:54:58.760 to hear from right from the source. You know, you had a high 1505 01:54:59.079 --> 01:55:03.159 powerful position, and you know you had to deal with that, which must 1506 01:55:03.199 --> 01:55:09.399 have been, you know, in itself, very trying. I still have 1507 01:55:09.520 --> 01:55:12.720 the t shirt they gave me when I left. It says Chuck the UFO 1508 01:55:12.840 --> 01:55:17.920 colonel. My immediate staff gave it to me as a joke. I kept 1509 01:55:17.920 --> 01:55:24.479 it. Okay, So let's talk about where you can find the book. 1510 01:55:26.119 --> 01:55:29.720 All you need to do is go to Amazon and put the whole perspective in 1511 01:55:29.880 --> 01:55:34.479 and punch the button and put in your you know, your PayPal or whatever, 1512 01:55:34.920 --> 01:55:40.039 your credit card, and what they're doing they're printing it on demand, 1513 01:55:40.119 --> 01:55:42.720 so it takes about a week to ten days to get it, is what 1514 01:55:42.800 --> 01:55:45.319 I'm told. Yeah, I think that's a really smart idea to do something 1515 01:55:45.359 --> 01:55:48.960 like that, because you know a lot of people are stuck with hundreds of 1516 01:55:49.039 --> 01:55:54.640 books, cases and cases of them that you know, this does happen a 1517 01:55:54.680 --> 01:55:58.359 lot. But anyway, I told you, the intent is not to make 1518 01:55:58.399 --> 01:56:00.119 a best seller. The intent is to put a various book got there for 1519 01:56:00.159 --> 01:56:03.840 the serious people that are really interested in care and they will buy it. 1520 01:56:04.399 --> 01:56:09.840 That's right. And I know you have You're going to get some people buying 1521 01:56:09.840 --> 01:56:13.159 it from listening to the show, I know for sure. So thanks so 1522 01:56:13.279 --> 01:56:16.359 much, Chuck. Oh you're quite welcome with my pleasure, all right, 1523 01:56:16.600 --> 01:56:19.119 and I hope to talk to you. Well, I'll be seeing you in 1524 01:56:19.199 --> 01:56:24.439 February. See you then look forward to it, all right, you take 1525 01:56:24.479 --> 01:56:29.319 care it'll be warm here, sure, well, okay, for tell anybody 1526 01:56:29.319 --> 01:56:30.800 else attend and if they bring a book, I'll be happy to sign it, 1527 01:56:31.079 --> 01:56:34.439 all right, excellent, all right, thanks to talk to you later, 1528 01:56:35.039 --> 01:56:40.039 all right, take care, all right, bye bye, all right, 1529 01:56:40.079 --> 01:56:44.119 everyone, So thanks so much for listening to the show this evening. 1530 01:56:44.800 --> 01:56:49.960 I thought it was a great guest and interesting. That's to me. It's 1531 01:56:50.000 --> 01:56:57.000 one of the very best UFO sightings on record as far as I'm concerned. 1532 01:56:57.000 --> 01:57:01.239 And I was really happy to have Chuck on the show. And next week 1533 01:57:01.439 --> 01:57:05.000 we have Jason McClellan. He is going to be on. He was you 1534 01:57:05.039 --> 01:57:11.079 may remember him. He was with Alejandro Rojas on Open Minds. He's going 1535 01:57:11.159 --> 01:57:15.560 to be on next week. And again if if you tune in next week, 1536 01:57:15.560 --> 01:57:18.399 we're gonna I'm gonna do a drawing of a couple of prizes. One 1537 01:57:18.439 --> 01:57:23.680 of them is for a book I'm gonna get Charles Halt to sign. Another 1538 01:57:23.720 --> 01:57:28.199 one is for a stay at the uh guesthouse here on top of the mountain, 1539 01:57:28.479 --> 01:57:31.600 and we can do a little I have a not a I have like 1540 01:57:31.640 --> 01:57:38.479 a viewing platform overlooking the mountains at my house that we can do a SkyWatch. 1541 01:57:38.560 --> 01:57:42.960 Possibly that's something I never actually do by myself. But anyway, thanks 1542 01:57:43.000 --> 01:57:45.520 so much for listening, and we'll be back next week, and remember to 1543 01:57:45.600 --> 01:58:01.600 keep your eyes to the sky.