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It's a great song, but I
don't know it. Welcome everybody, here

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we go. It is that time
again, Matt Connerton unleashed and we are

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live from the studios of w m
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Hampshire. Although it's looking like it's
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and cloudy, but it was glorious. It's always glorious of course. Uh

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Today is Wednesday, July twelve,
twenty twenty three. By the way,

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the song that I opened with that
was called You Belong You See that is

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from grim Rock and Joel from grim
Rock is going to be joining us today

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in the second hour, actually at
the top of the hour, we're going

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to do the world radio premiere of
his brand new single don't you really looking

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forward to us sharing that with you? But I wanted to open with another

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one of his other songs today on
the show, and and we'll probably play

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a little more later too, but
don't you the world radio premiere of the

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new single coming up today at five
pm in the Eastern time zone here on

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the program, and then we'll have
we'll talk with grim Rock. I'm not

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sure whether to call him Joeld or
Grim or I'll just ask him. We'll

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see no, but really looking forward
to that. So that's gonna be cool.

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And by the way, for those
of you watching online, he did

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send me this, he sent anyone
too, these great shirts, these great

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grim Rock shirts fits perfectly, really
really cool. And I also have a

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sticker that I'm gonna put on the
wall that he sent as well. So

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looking forward to that. So that'll
be coming up in the second hour.

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In the first hour, in a
few minutes, I'm gonna be joined by

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Eric Pilcher, our friend from Cedar
Rapids, Iowa. Of course, Eric

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does the classic film reviews for us
on Fridays, but we also do a

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segment every Wednesday. I call him
my favorite conservative and he's gonna be joining

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us. He's he wanted to talk
about this hazing scandal at Northwestern University,

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which has been a pretty big deal. You know, I'm not a sports

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guy myself, but some stories obviously
transcend sports, and that one certainly does.

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That's been interesting to follow. And
I also want to ask him about

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the something we've talked about before on
the show with Eric about the live golf

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l I V. The Saudi Arabia
trying to take over golf is how some

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people are looking at it. Well, we'll talk about that too, and

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I have a couple other things to
ask him about too, So we'll always

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have a good time with Eric.
So he's gonna be joining us, and

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of course I want to learn more
about his how he constructed that amazing guitar

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solo on the new song from Jerry
and the Scumbags, that song I'm the

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man, of course. Uh,
it's been interesting. You know, we've

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all been working remotely on that.
You know, Matts, that's yours truly,

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I'm credited as well, and Billy
Painter, and of course Eric,

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Eric Pincher as he is known by
his stage name. Here we go,

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Eric, is that you? Yes? It is? Oh good? It

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was for some reason I was clicking
in and it wasn't picking up right away.

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I was like, oh, I
hope, I hope we don't have

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a malfunction here. You know how
Skype can be. Skype can be very

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Skype very finicky. Certainly, yes, yes, before we get before we

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get to talk, and too,
I do want to say hello to everybody

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in the Facebook live chat. Scott
Robinson joins us and says, this is

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regarding the clip that I played to
open the show. Sometimes I like to

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throw in a little best of clip
I played that time that the ghost of

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a don Imus called us live on
the air. Scott said, this sounds

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like Gene Simmons from Kiss with marbles
in his mouth a little inside. But

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yes. Mike from Queen City Cabinetry, one of our great sponsors here at

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WMNH and also one of our co
hosts on Friday nights for retro Spectrum Radio,

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he says, good afternoon everyone.
Jenny is in there of course,

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and says shalom peeps. Also Rondo
Favero from California, Paul C. Says

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greetings from Sonny, Bangladesh. Again, if you don't listen to Retrospectrum Radio,

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you don't know what that refers to
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listen to Retrospectrum Radio Friday nights.
Here Charmagne Davis Elliott joins us and says,

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good afternoon everyone. Hello. Uh, let's see uh Eric, I

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see here and there. And also
I'm never sure I'm saying his name correctly,

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Eric nan Rone. I'm going to
assume that's what he's got a podcast

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called the Nano Second Podcast. Um, so welcome, everybody. Welcome,

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uh and uh Eric. Eric is
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studio phone line is open. So
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zero six zero seven. And uh, you know, speaking of music,

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h Eric, Uh, yeah,
I had no idea you were so talented,

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but hearing your your your solo on
that song, I'm the man,

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just magnificent, sir, Thank you, thank you, thank you. Like

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I said, I just picked up
a guitar and it was magic. Yeah,

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Matt, you cannot take away my
right to rock. That's right,

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nor would I ever try to.
Frankly, I mean, you know I

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want you. Oh. Dylan Reynolds
is in the Facebook live chat and he

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agrees. He says, you're great
on that song. Thank you, Dylan,

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I appreciate it. You know,
you're always nervous when you do something

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outside of your comfort zone. But
you know, as many will learn in

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the month of October with classic film
reviews, sometimes you just gotta go out

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of your comfort zone. Yes,
that's right. Oh. Speaking of which,

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Scott Robinson has a question for you
regarding your classic film reviews. I

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have not seen it. I asked
him if it was good. I'm always

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open to film suggestions. Yes,
Scott is for listeners. Scott is asking

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if you've watched the film Affliction with
Nick Nolty and James Coburn. I've never

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seen that movie either, but I've
I've heard that it's very very good.

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But uh, but I have not
I have not. Well that right?

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Well will that be on a Is
that a possibility for a future film review?

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I would have to watch it?
There are, but there are.

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I love suggestions, and I'm glad
you brought this up. I love it

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when anyone email messages me suggestions because
one, it shows they listen, and

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two it makes me feel good that
they value my opinion. Yeah, selecting

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a film is two is twofold or
threefold, depending on how you view it.

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One I have to watch it,
and if I watch it and do

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not enjoy it, I will not
review it. Reason being is I do

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not believe in giving a film a
bad review. UM. That that happened

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because my film instructor in college told
me that. UM told me, don't

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ever share your opinion on a film
as you're leaving the movie theater. Wait

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a second, though, Wait a
second. Oh, okay, you know

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what. I just realized. Maybe
this doesn't count because it was an April

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Fools joke. I was gonna say
you reviewed, you did review Freddie got

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fingered by Tom Green. Yes,
but that was April Fools. And if

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there's anyone out there that tries to
tell me that's a good movie, I'm

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going I'm going to ask that they
get their heads examined, just out of

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concern for their own well being.
Yes. By the way, our friend

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Ron is on the line. He
might have a film review request. We'll

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see hi, Ron, Hi do
Hello? Hello? I did have a

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film request. Couldn't get that out, and I'm bumming. I was watching

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the other channel for a couple of
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of guitar riff like Son of a
Gun, I wish I would have heard

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it. But on any note,
I wonder if either one of you guys

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have ever seen the movie. And
I think it's called unthinkable or unimaginable.

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It's about a US terrorist and the
negotiations on how to get him to talk.

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Have you ever seen either one of
you seen it or heard of that.

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I think it's unthinkable, isn't it. Yeah? I'm thinking that it's

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a black guy. I keep thinking
tends on Washington. But it's not him.

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It's a Oh it might be it's
Samuel Jackson. That's who it is.

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What a great movie. If you
haven't, Yeah, have you seen

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that? Eric? I haven't seen
that. I have not. No,

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m Well, I might have to
ask well, I would give that five

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thumbs up if you have a board
and you could dig it up on your

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TV. It's a matter of fact. Tonight, when there's nothing going on,

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I might watch it again. It'll
be the fourth time I've seen it.

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But it's wow. I won't even
get into any details. But that

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was nice. Well, that was
It was Samuel Jackson, and it was

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either unimaginable or unthinkable. I think
it was Unthinkable's he's he negotiates, he

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doesn't negotiate. He tries to get
information out of the terrorists in the worst

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ways, stuff that the US wouldn't
consider illegal, but he doesn't anyway.

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So all right, would that being
said, carry on, my friends,

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all right, thank you, Ron, appreciate the call. By the way,

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Dylan Reynolds was suggesting a film review
of Arnold Schwarzenegger's Total Recall. Total

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Recall is actually you know this,
Matt, and long time listeners know this

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as well. I have a list
of films that I want to review,

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and Total Recall is on the list. The thing to keep in mind is

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that Paul Verhoeven directed it, and
Paul Verhoeven has a style that he trans

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translates to each and every one of
his films. So have just recently done

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Starship Troopers, which was directed by
him. I want to see it kind

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of spread out, gotcha? Gotcha? Because I would love to review Robo

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Cop as well, which is also
directed by Beethoven. Yes. Uh,

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and Eric Nanaron is asking, uh, this is probably for both of us.

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Have you seen Unbroken? I've seen
that. Have you seen that,

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Eric? Unbroken? I would there's
a there's a few films named unbroken.

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Oh uh, I think that's uh, the one with um Bruce Willis.

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That's the first one that occurred to
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saw that title's directed Oh, Unbreakable. Yes, I'm sorry, that's uh

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directed by M Knight Shamalan and I
am not a fan of his. Okay,

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yeah, that's probably so. I
just I don't know why I thought.

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Uh, yeah, I don't usually
make that mistake, but yeah,

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Unbreakable. I do like that film. So I have not seen a film

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called unbroken. Apparently there's one on
Netflix. Angelina Joni's Unbroken to be shown

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in Japan after racism protests. Interesting. Yeah, I'd be curious to know

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more about that. But yeah,
but what I was saying and then we'll

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get into Northwestern about suggestions is one, I have to like the film,

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And because when I heard that from
my instructor, when he said, never

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give your opinion on a film as
you're leaving the theater. And he said

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that because if it's a bad one, you could ruin it for a person

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near you, right, could have
enjoyed the film, right. And that's

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not something I ever want to do. I don't want to review a film

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someone enjoys and say, oh,
this was a steaming pile. You know,

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That's not what classic film reviews is
about. It's about maybe getting someone

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to see a film they've never seen
before, or get interested in a film

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they weren't interested in, or remember
why they loved a specific film. It's

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about being positive about film. And
ever since then, I've always hated when

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reviewers just go on TV or what
write a review that just trashes a film.

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It's like, why, why waste
your energy doing something so so negative.

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See when I was a kid and
I would watch Siskel and Ebert,

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I always enjoyed it when they really
hated a movie. I thought that.

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I thought it was kind of fun
that Some of my favorite books on film

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are Roger Ebert's your movie sucks.
Oh, yes, you've you've recommended that

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book before. Yeah, I love
because Roger Ebert takes he it's an art

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form to him and bashing a film
like his review of I Spit on Your

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Grave a beautiful. I remember him
saying that in an interview once that that

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was the worst film he felt.
Oh it was. It was on Donahue,

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Ciscolinebert were on Donahue. I was
a big film Donahue fam when I

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was a kid, and he said
that was the worst film ever. He

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said to this about two films I
Spit on Your Grave in Caligula. Oh

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okay, yeah, he said,
it is the biggest pile of bleep I've

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ever seen in my life. And
it's the only two films he's ever walked

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out on. Oh wow. And
yes, Dirk don and I have watched

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Caligula on Blu Ray twice. So
if you want to honor us for doing

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that, it would be appreciated.
Um. Yeah, Scott says, That's

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why I want you to watch Affliction. It takes place in New Hampshire and

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J. James Colburn is a force
in the movie. It will not disappoint

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interesting well, um, yeah,
I didn't. I didn't know that.

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I didn't know that it takes place
in New Hampshire. That film, I

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will definitely put it on my list, and with the New Hampshire tie,

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it would be a good film to
have on Classic Film Reviews certainly. Yes,

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yes, well so we can get
to uh whow. Yeah, time

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is flying as it always does.
Oh, by the way, something I

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wanted to tell you too. On
I think it was on Monday in the

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chat room somebody made a very nice
compliment about you because I was talking,

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oh you know what, Trudy from
the Hopknot was here and we were talking

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about having discussions with people we disagree
with politically and whatnot, and your name

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came up and I mentioned how I
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and Miriam banished in the chat room, said that you are her favorite

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conservative as well. Wow that means
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look, if politics is really a
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if we can't talk about it,
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price for our freedom, that price
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to talk about politics and disagree and
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it to be. Well, it's
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politics. Yes, well what I
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make you think that they're right,
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or they want to prove that you're
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the two people end up just talking
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saying something, the other isn't really
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of their next talking point that they're
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the way people talk about politics,
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they're not even necessarily arguing about the
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person is saying. And of course
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forth. So so yeah, it's
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laughing at something Michael Albert said in
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I'm not going to respectfully, I'm
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made me chuckle. Yes, yes, but uh, but but it's I

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wouldn't be inclined to agree with him. I like the I like the person

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personally that uh, Michael Albert is
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I also understand the sentiment. Um. All right, well let's let's get

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to it, Eric. So let's
talk about this scandal, this hazing scandal

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at Northwestern University. UM, and
uh, I'll let you kind of Uh,

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let's start with UM, you followed
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although I'm aware of this story.
And I was actually listening to a Pat

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McAfee video earlier from his show talking
about it. But uh, kind of

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catch us up on this what's going
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back fifteen years ago. Yeah,
um to understand the gravity of this situation.

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Pat Fitzgerald is Northwestern University the now
former Northwestern football coach. He was

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a two time linebacker of the Year
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a part of the team that put
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had a winning record in football in
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They made the Rose Bowl and Pat
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team. After he graduated, he
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thousand and six, their head coach, Randy Walker I believe was his name.

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I could be wrong, died of
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In pet Fitzgerald took over the team. Northwestern as a football program has

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six bull wins throughout their history.
Pet Fitzgerald has been their head coach for

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five of them. Oh wow,
he must have been pretty young then when

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he took over, right, Yeah, he's he just turned I believe he's

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in his low fifties. Now,
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been so fifteen years ago. So
he was bad at math. Wow,

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he was still what early early to
mid thirties when he took over his coach.

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I assume that's I assume that's young
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Very I believe he. I believe
he has the record or is very

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close to it for the youngest head
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Um, now, Eric, Eric
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point here in a few moments that
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had happened is earlier this year,
the Northwestern director of compliance had gotten an

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email that said hazing within the Northwestern
football program. They launched launched an investigation

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that concluded Friday. One of the
many key points here is Northwestern did not

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publicly release all the findings. They
said that their understanding was end quote path,

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Fitzgerald and the coaching staff did not
know about it, but could have

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prevented it, did not know about
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That's interesting, very So it was
announced that path Fitzgerald would be suspended for

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two weeks without pay, effective immediately. So I guess it just had drilled

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down on that statement a little bit
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self contradictory. But as I'm processing
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so he didn't know about it?
But maybe if if he had done things

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differently from a sort of in terms
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maybe maybe none of this would have
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saying, right, so lo and
behold. On Sunday, an unnamed Northwestern

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player spoke with the Northwestern University student
newspaper. Of note here, Northwestern is

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known for journalism, like if you
there are so many great journalists that have

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come from that school. Okay,
um, and he this player spoke in

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depth about it. Of note,
the player left the program this past season

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of a situation called running And I'm
going to try to be as politically correct

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as I can be when speaking of
this. Okay, where the leadership team

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of the football team, if a
player had done something wrong or not or

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made a mistake, countless mistakes whatever. They would do certain things to him

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that were simulating, not stimulating,
simulating sexual assault. Okay, wow that

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and he said absolutely Pat Fitzgerald knew
about it, and even went further to

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say, Pat Fitzgerald that practice would
do a specific clap above his head to

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indicate to the football leadership group that
this player needed to have needed to have

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a run put on him. Oh
my god. So that's wow. So

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so in other words, so Pat's
Pat Fitzgerald the coach. He not only

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knew about it, but according to
what this player says, he not only

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knew about it, but he was
actually directing it in a sense. He

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was indicating, you know, do
do that to this player. Wow,

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that's yes, awful if it's true. And of course this is alleged,

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we should be clear about that.
But you're in the day. Northwestern athletic

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director have stated that what we're gonna
he was going to reevaluate Pat Fitzgerald's punishment

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because he said, I focused more
on what he didn't know than what he

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knew. What does that mean?
Your guess is as good as mine.

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So coming Tuesday Monday, Pat Fitzgerald
was fired. Yeah, as Northwestern head

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coach one. Here are my issues
with this one. Northwestern absolutely new the

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allegations and what they were. They
were hoping to pull what I call a

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Ray Rice where the NFL knew Ray
Rice punched his girlfriend in the face and

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knocked her out. They chose not
to act because they hoped it would go

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away. Eric, refresh, My
memory is Ray Rice? Is that the

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one with the elevator? Yes?
Gotcha? Okay, I remember now?

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Yep. I have believed and always
will believe that the NFL knew the Baltimore

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Ravens knew, because how do you
not? Right? Um? Sorry,

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got it? Took a drink now
of no peptitz Gerald was working tirelessly to

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secure an eight hundred million dollars new
football stadium that was very close to getting

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pushed across the finish line. Yeah, that's probably out the window now.

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And I'm not saying that, Oh
that's wrong and the no, I'm saying

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that that's probably over. He is
gone. This football program is going about

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to be in shambles because you're going
to have players transfer, go to the

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transfer portal and get out of Dodge. Because what I'm gonna say is we

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are moments away from the NC double
a stepping in, and I do believe

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Northwestern's football program should be suspended at
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that's what Eric Nanarone was saying in
the chat him. Yeah, if this

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is true, of the football program
needs to be suspended, although he was

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saying for a year, you think
two years. I think two years.

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And I think they didn't do it
to Penn State. And I agreed with

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them not doing it to Penn State
because in a way, you're punishing kids

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that were not a part of the
program when those horrible and horrendous acts occurred.

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Yeah, you're punishing players that had
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this, I would advocate that Northwestern
be hit with the infamous ncuble, a

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death penalty for this, which is
a two year suspension. Give me a

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moment, I will explain what the
death penalty is. Okay. It's only

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happened to one school in the history
of college athletics. Southern Methodist University in

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the eighties got it, okay,
and it they still haven't recovered from it.

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So here is what it is.
Sorry, I'm trying to find what

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that's Okay, in the page I
clicked on, Yeah, that's all right

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if you're just joining us. Our
friend Eric Pilcher as well as says he

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is every Wednesday, and we're talking
about the situation with the Hazian scandal at

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Northwestern University. Basically, what it
is is the death penalty is a part

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of the repeat violator's rule. Obviously, Northwestern is not a repeat violator.

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I would argue they are because this
is a part of the culture of the

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team. And Pat Fitzgerald was there
for fifteen years, so you do the

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math. Basically, what it is
is no no athletics for one no program

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for one year, okay, no
program for one year when they come back,

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no television for year two okay,
no televised games, no postseason,

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so no bowls, and no scholarships. And this has only happened once.

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It is only happened once in modern
in the modern NCAA era, Why why

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was it done? This was at
Southern Methodist University. Southern Methodist University took

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paying players to a whole nother level. They signed players to contracts. Did

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we talk about this before, Yes, we have. Okay, this buyer's

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contract sounding familiar, Dickerson, The
joke was Eric Dickerson made more at SMU

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than he did in the NFL,
and Eric Dickerson has admitted yes he did.

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Um is he the guy who,
uh you told me about somebody before

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who uh they let they let one
of the schools buy him a car that's

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ericson Yeah, yeah, and then
he ended up and then he ended up

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not going with that school, and
he anybody kept the car because his attitude

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was, well, what are you
gonna what are you gonna do? Like

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you buying me this car? Was
he illegal to begin with? So what

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are you gonna? So what are
you gonna do about it? He kept

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the gold plated trans am. A
part it's it's such as a great story.

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There's a part of me that thinks
that's repulsive him. There's a part

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of me that admires him. Um, I'm you know what, God bless

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Eric Dickerson. I mean, I
mean it's it's not right morally and ethically,

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it's not right, and yet it's
kind of like, Wow, you

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kind of have to respect him.
Who's actually more wrong in this? You

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can't expect an eighteen year old kid
to not take in nineteen eighty five and

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cold plate in trans am, right, right? Because if it's it's just

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it's just wild. Um. So
that was that was that was that Southern

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Methodist University. Yeah, okay.
Actually to clarify, Texas, A and

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M bought in the car. Oh
okay. He's like, I don't want

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to go to AMM, I want
to go to a SMU. What do

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I do with this car? And
that was the sticking point in the SMU

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boosters are like, we'll take care
of that. Well, he'd probably already

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registered it, and you know,
can't just give it back now. I

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right, the loan was in his
grand mama's name. Now totally above the

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board. Oh good, Yeah,
living in living in a two room shack

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in the slums of Texas and they
gotta trans am. Wow. Yeah.

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Now regarding Northwestern, Eric Nannarone says, in the chat room, they had

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a white board with names of the
players that we're going to get that punishment

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allegedly in the Yeah, I remember
I heard Pat McAfee talking about that too.

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In the practice room, the locker
room, they had a white board

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with names of the players who are
going to be hazed, which is almost

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a euphemism, uh, based on
that term, based on what you had

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described. Uh. Yeah, and
and and that's the thing is and all

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of this is alleged, nothing has
been proven. But let's be real here.

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Northwestern is now faced with having to
pay Pat Fitzgerald forty million dollars.

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Oh my god. Really, yes, he just signed a contract extension in

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January of twenty twenty one for ten
years. Wow. There's no h there's

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no clause in there that I mean, I'm sure there is some sort of

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clause it says if he does something
really egregious, they don't have to pay

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him. But that's not what happened
here because they can't they can't prove that

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he knew. Here's where Northwestern is
in some trouble with that one. They

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already punished him. Oh, with
the two week suspension. They had already

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announced his punishment. Yeah, I
guess. And I'm still kind of getting

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caught up on this. But my
understanding from what peppitz Gerald's lawyers have said

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is that at Illinois state law indicates
once you have punished an employee, you

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can't retroactively go back and repunish them. Oh wow, no kidding. That's

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my interpretation of it. I could
be wrong, yea. So this is

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a very bad situation because Northwestern put
athletics ahead of morals and what is right.

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You put an eight hundred million dollars
stadium ahead of what is right.

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This is disgusting and this is deplorable. This, and I'll say this,

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when I was involved in football,
Yes, we did hazing. I'll say

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it. We did it. We
did tow whipping lines. Oh that seems

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almost quaint compared to some of what
we've been hearing about here. I never,

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and I swear on everything, I
never heard of anything like this happening

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or witnessed it. Yeah, um, but yeah, yeah, it really.

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You sit there and you're just like
wow, Wow. By the way,

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what does Fitzgerald say? I assume
he hasn't said anything, right,

407
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:29,880
He hasn't addressed us publicly, had
a meeting with the players, um and

408
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:37,599
his staff. Otherwise, it was
a pretty blanket statement that he appreciates his

409
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:42,480
time at Northwestern, he disagrees with
the decision, that he knew of no

410
00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:47,199
hazing. It was pretty boiler play
of what you would expect. Well,

411
00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:51,719
when when did when did that happen? After the suspension or after the firing?

412
00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:58,079
After the firing, okay, bension. His statement was that he agrees

413
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:06,639
that he should have been more informed
and paid more attention to little details.

414
00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:12,599
Look, this has been my argument. Anytime there's a scandal within a college

415
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:20,480
athletic program or a specific team,
your job as the head coach is to

416
00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:28,360
know everything that goes on. That
is your job. Just like Rick Pettina

417
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:35,119
when it Louisville, he allowed hookers
to go in party with recruits in a

418
00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:39,599
dormitory named after his brother in law
who died in during the nine to eleven

419
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:50,519
attacks. Wow. Wow, And
he's like, well, that was all

420
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:54,840
done by one of our one of
our general one of our graduate assistants.

421
00:36:55,119 --> 00:37:01,679
How do you not know? Yeah, you think these kids are just coming

422
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:08,880
to Louisville because you're a nice guy. I'm fascinating. I'm fascinated by the

423
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:15,239
dynamic of so after he's fired,
so they let him have this meeting with

424
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:21,800
the players, and assuming if everything
that's alleged is true and he knew,

425
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,440
then he's going and having this meeting
with them, tell him, tell him

426
00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:30,559
the very people with whom he colluded
with on the hazing, effectively telling them,

427
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,519
well, I disagree with the decision
because I didn't know. When they

428
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:37,239
know that he knew when when you
know what I mean, when you know

429
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,960
he's he's got to look these kids
in the face who he knows, they

430
00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:44,519
know that he knew, and tell
them, Well, I don't agree with

431
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:46,920
the decision because obviously I didn't know. When you know, everyone knows he

432
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:55,239
knew Northwestern in their infinite wisdom.
And I say that using with sarcasm.

433
00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:04,360
Yes, decided to let the players
release a statement because players are upset,

434
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:09,159
and I mean it makes perfect sense
to let them release an official statement.

435
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:15,800
They stood behind their coach and accused
the players that have released this information of

436
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:23,199
whying. Nothing like this ever occurred. It's just someone trying to tear down

437
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:36,599
our success that could not be successful
at Northwestern. Uh oh boy, Well

438
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,760
so what so what happens? Well, first of all, by the way,

439
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:46,119
we should shed no tears for Fitzgerald, because even even even if he

440
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:51,199
even if he really didn't know,
which is hard to believe, but even

441
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,800
if he really didn't know, the
guy's getting forty million dollars to you know,

442
00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:01,280
lose his job or at the very
least a chunk of that. Yeah,

443
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:07,719
this is not going to see the
courts. They're gonna settle. Northwestern

444
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,920
wants this to go away as quickly
as they can. Oh, okay,

445
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:16,239
so he won't necessarily get so they
might negotiate something, right, Okay,

446
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:22,559
Right, Northwestern wants this to go
away because and again I don't want anyone

447
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:28,519
to think I'm in agreeance with Northwestern
here, I am not. I think

448
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:32,599
the athletic director needs to be fired. I think the president of the university

449
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:37,039
needs to be fired. I think
a ton more heads need to roll down

450
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:44,280
the hill after this. But football
season is a little over fifty days away.

451
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:52,960
You want this to go away,
but there is no I mean,

452
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,960
in terms of national media, this
will blow over, as all things do.

453
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:02,280
But if you're if you're there,
especially if you're there as part of

454
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:07,599
that community or have any connection to
the college whatsoever, this isn't going This

455
00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:12,480
isn't going away for a long time. I mean, people aren't going to

456
00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:16,400
forget about this, right. And
my cousin Joe brought up something and I

457
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:23,039
agreed with I agree with him.
In essence, he said people have already

458
00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:30,159
forgotten about Penn State. Well,
that's kind of a blanket statement. I

459
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:35,360
don't think people have forgotten, right, I don't think you ever forget.

460
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:42,119
I mean I will remember where I
was the day, the very minute it

461
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:46,159
was announced Joe Paterno was fired.
Yeah. Oh, I remember. I

462
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:52,760
was in the cafeteria of my at
my at the university I was attending,

463
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:59,079
and I remember a majority of them
got up and rammed in the TV and

464
00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:05,400
esp End was on, and you
literally just stood there frozen. Well listen,

465
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,559
I mean I can. I can
prove your point too, because you

466
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:12,800
mentioned Penn State to me. I'm
not a sports guy, as you know,

467
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:15,639
but as soon as you say Penn
State, I remember Joe Paterno and

468
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,679
Sandusky and everything you know. So
no, of course people haven't forgotten a

469
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:23,480
guy like me who doesn't follow sports. But I did. I did follow

470
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:29,000
that story because that's one of those
stories like this, one that transcends sports.

471
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:34,480
Oh god, I remember vividly.
I remember because I was also the

472
00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:42,440
sports editor of my university student newspaper. Yeah, and like I literally went

473
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:46,840
right into the newspaper office and it's
like, you know, we gotta do

474
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:52,679
something about this. We have like
how do we cover this at a Catholic

475
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:59,440
university? Yeah, and how do
we do this in a way that we

476
00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:06,760
can talk to our school and not
be negative? So it was a tough

477
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:14,239
situation. So I will always remember
Penn State and just because if for nothing

478
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:20,920
else, Penn State was a national
power for so many years and they still

479
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,079
haven't recovered well, And again I
was, I'm not gonna I mean,

480
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:30,280
they've had successes, they've been to
a couple of Rose Bulls, but not

481
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:37,679
they haven't competed for national titles like
they did. They haven't had like the

482
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,920
primetime games they've had have been in
essence because of who they were playing,

483
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:50,480
not because of Penn State. Yeah. So yeah, it's it's I do.

484
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:57,199
What really hurts for Northwestern is Northwestern
has this image is the Harvard of

485
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:06,199
the Midwest, and this kills that
um in so many ways. And it

486
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:12,800
was already hard for Northwestern to get
recruits because of their academic standards. It's

487
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,039
going to be that much harder.
Now. How do you, as a

488
00:43:15,039 --> 00:43:22,320
parent, advocate for your kid to
go to Northwestern right on a football scholarship?

489
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:27,559
Yeah, I mean, yes,
Pat Pitzgerald's gone, But who's to

490
00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:30,480
say that some of the kids that
committed, that allegedly committed these acts aren't

491
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:38,239
still there? Right exactly exactly,
Well, hopefully this this will have if

492
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,960
they are still there. Hopefully this
will have put some fear into them and

493
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:47,039
nothing like this will will continue to
happen. Wow. Well, so so

494
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:52,280
there's still more. There's still more
to this story coming right in terms of

495
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:55,400
you know, we'll find out in
the weeks to come, what what happens

496
00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:00,519
that were that the NC double A
is going to get involved here? Yeah?

497
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:06,480
I mean I don't see how they
can't. Did they? Did they

498
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:10,119
get directly involved with Penn State?
Yes, they're the one gave them the

499
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:16,440
two year bull band. Okay,
the NC double A is the only one

500
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:22,800
that can issue that punishment. Schools
can do what's called self sanctioning, where

501
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:28,039
to try to soften the blow of
NC double A punishment, they can say,

502
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:31,760
Okay, we're gonna sit out the
postseason for this year. Yeah,

503
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:36,920
we're going to reduce our in home
scholar our in home recruiting visits, We're

504
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:43,360
going to reduce scholarships. Um.
In some in in most cases, the

505
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,760
NC double as like, oh that's
good enough. We're lazy old white men,

506
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:51,559
we don't want to do anything.
Um, so they let it go.

507
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:59,039
I don't see how this one gets
let go right right? This one,

508
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:05,480
this one is, this is,
this is Penn State level. This

509
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:15,800
in a way it's it's more I
don't want to say more disturbing because it's

510
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:21,360
not. But in a way it's
it's a part of the culture. Like

511
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:25,719
there were actually young men that brought
into this is being a good thing.

512
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:35,400
Yeah, that's what's that. That's
what disgusts me as a sports fan,

513
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:39,920
because you this is a this had
to be a part of the culture,

514
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:46,639
right, and that there were young
men that brought bought into this and thinking

515
00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:53,440
this was okay. The Penn State
was just one awful, disgusting, wretched,

516
00:45:53,800 --> 00:46:02,800
vile human being that calls himself a
man. And and I'm not saying

517
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:09,719
this to offend or started debate.
We will never know what Joe Paterno knew,

518
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:15,239
What Joe Paterno didn't know, what
the president in the ad knew,

519
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,239
what they didn't know. We need
to give up on that. We'll never

520
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,599
know the full truth there. Yeah, Paterno's dead for anyone who doesn't know.

521
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:27,239
Yeah, yes, and well but
even before then we would have never

522
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:32,000
known. Right. Um do I
think Penn State did scapegoa? Did Joe

523
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:37,119
Paterno very much? So? Um? Do I think he deserved to be

524
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:42,559
fired? Yes, do I think
we could have done more? Absolutely?

525
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,199
But do I think that there was
a great deal of scapegoatism that Penn State

526
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:53,280
put on him? Yes? Um. To me, what makes this situation

527
00:46:54,119 --> 00:47:00,880
more like, like not worse than
I'm trying to put it into words,

528
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:06,159
but and I know I'm not doing
a good job. But what makes it

529
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:13,039
more disturbing is that it was a
culture right and that these young men that

530
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:19,280
this happened to, we're forced to
believe that it was their fault that it

531
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,400
was happening to them. Yeah,
No, it's it's it's uh pretty pretty

532
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:28,519
disgusting. Um, well, Eric, we are we are already approaching the

533
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:30,599
top of the hour. It goes
so fast, my friend, so we

534
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:34,639
will have to leave it there.
Yes, sorry, oh no, no

535
00:47:34,679 --> 00:47:37,840
not at all. No, great, great discussion, and um I learned

536
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,599
some things too. Um. But
before we let you go, because we

537
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:45,440
got to get to a break and
then we've got a world radio premiere of

538
00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:49,119
the new grim Rock song. But
before you go, can you give a

539
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:52,679
quick plug for a Friday's Classic film
review? Yes, I'm writing the script

540
00:47:52,719 --> 00:48:00,280
tonight. It's This week's classic film
review is National Lampoon's Vacation with Chevy Chase

541
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:07,239
and Beverly DeAngelo and a bit part
by a very young John Candy. Oh,

542
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,840
I forgot that he was in that. I haven't seen that in so

543
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,800
long. Yes, we look forward
to that, and of course I'm very

544
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:21,280
appropriate for the time of year.
So yes, assuming that's why I chose

545
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,480
it. And uh you, we've
already discussed this. There are some I

546
00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:31,800
like to think big things happening in
the fall. Yes, absolutely classic film

547
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:37,280
reviews that I think a lot of
people will be a fan of. October.

548
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:43,199
We are going to be looking at
one of the most controversial and scariest

549
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:51,119
films ever made. And some of
you might know what that is, but

550
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,559
if you don't, you'll just have
to wait till October because it's going to

551
00:48:54,639 --> 00:48:58,960
be amazing. Yes, Yes,
Melanie will be very happy. I see

552
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,400
her. I know, Malanie,
you'll be happy. I'm actually shocked.

553
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:07,400
I haven't gotten a message from her
yet about it. Yeah, very good,

554
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:08,719
All right, Eric, Well we
gotta let you go. Thank you

555
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,320
so much, my friend, and
we look forward to the film review on

556
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,960
Friday. Yes, it's a pleasure
as always, Matt, thanks for having

557
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,719
me. All right, you gotta
take care, Bye bye bye all right,

558
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,400
very nice. That was our friend
Eric Pilcher. Of course we look

559
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:27,719
forward to his classic film reviews every
Friday, and this Friday is National Lampoon's

560
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,800
Vacation, the first one, the
first vacation movie. Melanie says, sorry,

561
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,000
I wasn't listening. What are we
talking about? I don't worry about

562
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,440
it, don't worry about it.
But we need to get to a quick

563
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,639
break, show some love to our
amazing sponsors, and then we're gonna go

564
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:46,119
from that right to the world radio
premiere of the new single from grim Rock.

565
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,559
It's called don't You Really Really Good
Stuff? And then we're going to

566
00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:54,639
have grim Rock on the line with
us via Skype, and we're gonna we're

567
00:49:54,639 --> 00:49:59,239
gonna talk and I'm really looking forward
to that. So and if you're just

568
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:00,960
tuning in, if you happened to
be watching online, you can see I've

569
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,679
got this wonderful shirt that was sent
to me. But so we're gonna do

570
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,239
that first, first a break and
then the world radio premiere of don't You

571
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:13,880
brand new single from grim Rock Don't
Go Away. Plenty more to come w

572
00:50:14,360 --> 00:51:12,480
M N h RIP, the novel
show Gold run Away, going to My

573
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:57,199
Tell Me Something? Who I think
you'll mind out my mind gold running Away

574
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:29,199
when you go when you were running
by by running want to go running away

575
00:52:30,679 --> 00:53:12,960
away Back, time to go running
black Time. I love it. That

576
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:16,199
is the world radio premiere the brand
new single Don't You from Grim Rock and

577
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,320
Uh I think we have Grim on
the on the skype with us. Hello.

578
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,760
Are you there? Yes? I
am. Can you hear them?

579
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,719
Okay? Yeah? You sound great? You sound great? What should I

580
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,280
call you? Should I call you
Grim? Should I call you Joel?

581
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,920
What should I call you? Everybody
calls me Grim? All right? Nickname

582
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,039
name came together? KNA Yeah,
yeah, very cool. Yeah. I

583
00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:39,280
love the track that is uh,
don't You? And I played at the

584
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,800
top of the show, I played
what did I play? Oh you belong

585
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,239
you see? And I'll play something
else too at the end of our conversation.

586
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:52,519
But great stuff. You are in
Pennsylvania? Is that correct? Yes,

587
00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:55,079
I'm in Pittsburgh. Oh okay,
yeah we were. Actually Pennsylvania came

588
00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:59,239
up in the previous hour. Eric
Pilter and I we talked a little bit

589
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:04,679
about penn State. Completely different subject
but geographically relevant, I suppose. But

590
00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:07,800
so tell us about tell us about
Grim Rock? Is it? Is it?

591
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:12,280
Just you. Is this a solo
project or do you collaborate with other

592
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,519
people? I saw a YouTube video
that you put up of your recording and

593
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:20,519
it looks like you were doing everything
yourself. Yeah, it's actually a solo

594
00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:24,000
project. I have all my own
instruments, my own home studio and stuff.

595
00:54:24,519 --> 00:54:28,440
I play all my own instruments.
I do my own vocals. I

596
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:32,199
have done collaborations like with Trench Gun
and Al Warren and some other people,

597
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:37,119
and have had lyrics you know,
from other people like Mark Kushack and Matt

598
00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:42,280
Oyster and Jason Klem and put him
into music. So I mean I've had

599
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,320
other input and had done collaborations,
but it's it's mostly just me, a

600
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:51,000
solo project all my stuff. Is
that how you've always worked or have you

601
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:57,719
been in bands or or do you
have you always done solo material. I've

602
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,000
been in bands before. I played
with people with people, I played with

603
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,519
just me and a guitar player and
a drum machine. I played all kind

604
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:07,360
of different ways, and yeah,
it just happened to be that the original

605
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,480
music is what I wanted to do, and I couldn't really get anybody in

606
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:14,119
my immediate area that really wanted to
do what I'm trying to do, and

607
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,360
so I'm just kind of here my
own you know. Yeah, I mean

608
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:22,559
I would imagine obviously it's a lot
of work doing everything yourself, and it's

609
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:24,679
a lot of responsibility. But at
the same time, I would also guess

610
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:29,440
that it's probably very liberating. Right, you don't have to you don't have

611
00:55:29,519 --> 00:55:31,239
to check with anybody else. Hey, what do you think of what do

612
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:36,360
you think of these lyrics? Or
you know, or you know, what

613
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:37,599
do you think of this baseline?
You can just do it all I mean

614
00:55:38,039 --> 00:55:42,960
is that do you find that it's
liberating or do you ever find that it's

615
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,639
more work than maybe you'd like,
maybe you miss collaborating, or how do

616
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:50,039
you feel about that it's low both. I mean, it is liberating just

617
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:52,000
to stay here and do it and
be like, wow, I like this

618
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:55,039
because maybe somebody else wouldn't, you
know what I mean. Yeah, But

619
00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:58,840
in a way it's kind of lonely
sometimes because you're always like, well,

620
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,400
wish somebody else had an input it, because sometimes I do get stuck with

621
00:56:00,519 --> 00:56:04,280
you know, things, and I
got a bunch of tracks sitting on my

622
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,920
desktop that I'm just sitting there waiting
to put together one day when I get

623
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,639
inspired and can get something with it, you know, right right? Um,

624
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:16,480
how much music have you put out
doing doing this project to grim Rock

625
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:22,960
where it's just you doing everything.
I got probably about twenty tracks on Spotify.

626
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,039
I got some more going up,
yeah, and then I have Don't

627
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:29,159
You and I have some other songs
gonna be for the g R five album

628
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:32,039
that's going to come out. Cool. Cool is what does g R five

629
00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:36,480
mean? I mean, it's says
grim It's grim Rock five. It's actually

630
00:56:36,519 --> 00:56:40,000
gonna be technically my fifth release,
even though I've released singles and things.

631
00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:44,840
It's technically my fifth release. Okay. The other ones were EPs, and

632
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,840
I had one single that I kind
of is released because I didn't have the

633
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,159
tracks that I wanted to put with
it. I couldn't complete in time,

634
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,039
and it's completely different from the rest
of the stuff, so I couldn't really

635
00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:57,960
add it to anything else. Yeah. Yeah. Um. By the way,

636
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,079
so I wanted to ask you too
kind of interesting, so um,

637
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:05,400
looking at your website, uh,
and and some of your social media and

638
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:10,039
so forth, there's a certain aesthetic
that makes it look like it's like it's

639
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:15,519
kind of a metal you know,
almost like almost like a King Diamond kind

640
00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:20,199
of kind of vibe. But then
the music isn't really that. It's it's

641
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,559
more just, I don't know how
you describe it. It's kind of it's

642
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:28,639
almost got like a like a nineties
alternative vibe to some of it. Maybe

643
00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:30,920
that's more of a production thing.
The production is kind of raw, which

644
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,840
I like. I love the way
the guitar sound. Nobody records guitars like

645
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,599
that anymore, um, the way
that you do, and I think it's

646
00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:42,679
really cool. But um, is
that is that intentional? Or am I

647
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,840
misconstruing something when I see that,
because it looks like visually it's kind of

648
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:50,800
one thing, but the music is
something else to me, at least that's

649
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,159
my perception. But I'm kind of
fascinated by that. No, You're absolutely

650
00:57:54,159 --> 00:57:59,400
correct. Originally, when I wanted
to do this project, you know,

651
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:04,360
i'd had the face makeup kind of
thing ready to go, and I initially

652
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,079
wanted to do way heavier music than
I did. Oh and it just didn't

653
00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:13,599
happen that way, and and I
just went from there. And you are

654
00:58:13,719 --> 00:58:15,440
right, you know, as far
as it's really hard to label, you

655
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,320
know, I've had a lot of
different people ask me, what do you

656
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:21,199
consider it. I kind of house
it under an all tarted rock because I

657
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:22,960
really don't know what the label it
as. Yeah, because it's varies,

658
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:28,039
you know, And as far as
the way I record that is intentional.

659
00:58:28,199 --> 00:58:32,480
I love the raw kind of like
the like the sixties garage rock kind of

660
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:37,079
sound. Yeah, I mean the
raw sound to it. Oh yeah,

661
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:40,079
yeah, very um even with and
it's cool that you're able to get that

662
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:45,239
even with Because the drums, do
you play a drum set or is that

663
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,360
all programmed? No? I actually
play a drum set. It is machine.

664
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:53,119
It is an Elas's command Mesh drum
machine, but it is a full

665
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:57,880
kit. Okay, yeah, because
it sounds like I mean, even that,

666
00:58:58,119 --> 00:59:01,559
even the drums sound raw and sound
acoustics, So that's that's impressive.

667
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:07,239
Although it's funny. Um yeah,
I've seen examples where some of these new

668
00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:13,800
uh electronic drum kits. It's remarkable
how how acoustic you can actually make them

669
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,559
sound and how far the technology has
come with that. But um, yeah,

670
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:21,320
it does have garage you said garage
rock. Yeah, it does have

671
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,960
that vibe and uh yeah, very
cool. And I mean and the guitars

672
00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:30,599
too, um Like I said,
there's a rawness there it. Some of

673
00:59:30,679 --> 00:59:36,440
it reminds me of um almost like
Neil Young kind of style where it's uh,

674
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:42,280
just not not super slick and produced. I have a particular and this

675
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,920
is kind of the audio engineer and
producer inside of me coming out a little

676
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:51,119
bit, but I have had for
a long time kind of a frustration with

677
00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:54,519
the way that the way that electric
guitars tend to sound. Now because um

678
00:59:55,719 --> 00:59:59,800
uh, somewhere along the line,
I think it happens somewhere in the tooth

679
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,480
thousands. I don't know, everybody
just kind of decided that guitars should sound

680
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:09,760
like kazoos. Almost not really,
but but you know, I mean,

681
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:15,079
I'm speaking hyperbolically, it's my frustration
with it. But even even really heavy

682
01:00:15,159 --> 01:00:21,440
bands, the guitars sound small,
and I don't know why that happened.

683
01:00:22,679 --> 01:00:27,280
I'm finally noticing some pushback on that
from some of these bands who seem to

684
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,519
be getting back to having guitars that
actually sound loud. But um, but

685
01:00:31,639 --> 01:00:37,519
it's refreshing to hear the kind of
guitar sound that you get. Is that

686
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:39,760
is that kind of the same tone
that you've always used, or is that

687
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:44,960
something that's evolved. It's kind of
evolved. It's it's a little more gritty

688
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:49,840
than what I used to use.
Yeah, and I play really unconventional things

689
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,719
together. Put unconventional things together.
Like I have a Jackson Rhodes guitar.

690
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:57,719
I love it to death, but
it's through an older vox amp and that's

691
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,719
how I get my sound. Man, I tweak at samp and then that's

692
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,960
how it comes out. But those
pickups are hot on a guitar, but

693
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:07,320
gleb be coming through that vlox amp, it just it makes a whole different

694
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:08,960
sound. It's not the same.
It's coming through a marshal you know,

695
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:13,320
or any other kind of big scale
amp, you know what I mean?

696
01:01:13,559 --> 01:01:17,360
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Um, So you do all the mixering and

697
01:01:17,679 --> 01:01:22,519
mastering and everything yourself, or the
mixing I do the mastering. I kind

698
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:24,599
of cheat sometimes I use online sometimes
sometimes I have a couple of guys that

699
01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:28,559
help me once in a while.
Yeah you know, don't you, friend

700
01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:31,039
Trench Gunny help me with mastering that
one? Okay, okay, yeah,

701
01:01:31,159 --> 01:01:35,079
yeah, no, it sounds great. And then so now what about playing

702
01:01:35,159 --> 01:01:38,840
live? Do you um? Because
obviously it's it's just you do. Do

703
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,679
you get out and play shows or
how does that work? Yes? I

704
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,480
do, actually, and what I
do with that is I have backing tracks

705
01:01:45,559 --> 01:01:49,480
on a tab would believe it or
not? Yeah, and I run my

706
01:01:49,559 --> 01:01:52,199
tablet through you know, a system, so that changes the line level noise,

707
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:57,840
you know, a line level winto
a mixable item and it's everything but

708
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,039
the guitar and the vocals. Okay. And when I play my live shows,

709
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:05,639
I don't leave backing guitars or backing
vocals in it. So it forces

710
01:02:05,719 --> 01:02:07,800
me to have to do all the
things and try to mix up a little

711
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,800
bit that that way, it keeps
each show that I do, I can

712
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,679
do something a little fresh one way
or another. It doesn't sound the same

713
01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:19,239
right right, which it is the
same, you know right now. So

714
01:02:19,559 --> 01:02:22,800
now when you play out in terms
of esthetically, do you do the face

715
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:27,119
paint and everything? Yes, I
do. I didn't the last time I

716
01:02:27,159 --> 01:02:30,880
was out because it was an open
mic and it was a really different crowd

717
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:36,360
that probably I don't know, I
might have got arrested then. But generally,

718
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:37,199
yes, I do. I put
the face paint on. I get

719
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:42,960
all made up for that. That's
my persona. So and what kind of

720
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,440
reactions do you get when because obviously
again you know, as we talked about,

721
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,800
and I just think it's I think
I think it's pretty cool to you

722
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:52,360
know, throw people a curve.
Um, What are the reactions like when

723
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:57,119
people see you in the face paint
and then they hear you play and it's

724
01:02:57,199 --> 01:02:59,519
not you know, because they see
you in the face paint, they're expecting

725
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:01,280
that, you know, and then
it's and then then it's not. It's

726
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:07,559
these really melodic songs. Um.
Do do you get some interesting reactions with

727
01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:10,119
that? Yeah? I do.
I get it from every which direction too.

728
01:03:10,159 --> 01:03:13,320
It's not even just getting up there
on stage. You know. I'll

729
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,119
stop at stores like it's on the
way the gigs and stuff, and and

730
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:19,079
people are you just scaring lights out
of them? Or they're all like I

731
01:03:19,239 --> 01:03:21,800
have a picture with you, you
know, and it's it's like it's not

732
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:22,840
Halloween. I'm like, yeah,
I know, but it's kind of cool,

733
01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:27,159
you know kind of thing. Yeah, you know. So yeah,

734
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,000
But then when you get up on
stage, are people surprised when they hear

735
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:32,000
the music? I think so.
I think so because I think they're really

736
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:36,840
looking for that split and odish song, you know, Sila, and it's

737
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,239
not happening. But I mean,
I don't get I don't get anything negative

738
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,079
thrown at me, you know,
as far as that, you know what

739
01:03:42,159 --> 01:03:45,400
I mean. It's just I've had
a lot of people talk about that,

740
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:47,320
you know, just the image doesn't
match the music. But I'm all right

741
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,679
with that too, you know.
Yeah, No, I think that's cool.

742
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,960
I think that that makes it very
intriguing. Um. I I enjoyed

743
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:59,079
being surprised when I saw your picture
and then I heard the music. I

744
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:04,880
enjoyed being surprised. There's something just
cool about that, so um, you

745
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,440
know. And I not that I
would have minded if it were super heavier,

746
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,360
you know, because I love that
stuff too. I love all kinds

747
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:15,039
of music. But um, but
it was. But I remember, in

748
01:04:15,159 --> 01:04:16,280
fact, I think Jenny and I
had a conversation about it. I think

749
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,800
I said her I was like,
oh wow, I didn't expect I didn't

750
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:23,079
expect this to be the sound.
But it's pretty cool. And I can't

751
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:26,960
think of anyone contemporary who really sounds
like you. You know, it is

752
01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:31,840
kind of an old school garage band
vibe. And do you find, uh,

753
01:04:33,159 --> 01:04:36,039
is there anybody in your area who's
who's doing kind of what you're doing,

754
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:40,880
because if you're out in the scene
playing shows, I would assume there's

755
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,800
other musicians who you're opening for,
they're opening for you and you're kind of

756
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:49,639
teaming up with or or maybe not. Are there other musicians in your area

757
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,519
who kind of fit in with what
you're doing, who you can play shows

758
01:04:53,639 --> 01:04:58,760
with it and it seems to work. Uh, it kind of depends.

759
01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:01,679
I played a show in Meansburg last
November and it seemed like it fit there

760
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,280
with the with the selection of people
that they had and I opened up for

761
01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:08,599
there was four bands including myself.
Yeah, and it's something to fit there.

762
01:05:08,639 --> 01:05:11,880
But I've had I've been other places
where it just it was just outstanding

763
01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:14,960
compared to everything else because it was
just so different, you know what I

764
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:18,280
mean. Yeah, No, that's
cool though. That's um you know,

765
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:24,199
it helps you stand out, and
I think that's um probably a helpful thing.

766
01:05:24,239 --> 01:05:27,920
You know. Sometimes musicians will you
know, I talk to them and

767
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,119
they're kind of like, well,
I don't know. Sometimes I worry that

768
01:05:30,239 --> 01:05:32,519
what I'm doing sounds too different.
It's like, but yeah, that's how

769
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:36,760
you stand out. If you sound
like whatever's currently trendy or whatever you think

770
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:40,320
you're supposed to sound like rather than
what you want to sound like. Then

771
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,280
you know, you just kind of
end up being one in the pack.

772
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,840
But if you can if you can
stand out and be unique, um,

773
01:05:46,119 --> 01:05:50,400
that's what helps get people interested in
what you're doing. Um. I always

774
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:57,880
use the example of what if What
if Kurt Cobain had had told Dave Grohl

775
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,679
and Chris nova Selik, you know, I think we should. You know,

776
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,320
the hair bands are are pretty successful
right now. I think Nirvana should

777
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:09,039
sound like them. You know what
would have happened exactly, you know,

778
01:06:09,199 --> 01:06:12,360
but he did what he wanted,
and they did what they wanted to together

779
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:15,000
and ended up being one of the
biggest bands of all time. So,

780
01:06:15,719 --> 01:06:20,440
um, so I did what you're
doing. So, um, when does

781
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:24,079
g R five come out? Do
you have an ETA on that when the

782
01:06:24,119 --> 01:06:27,639
full album comes out? I keep
changing it. It keeps getting pushed back

783
01:06:27,679 --> 01:06:30,719
and pushed back. Yeah, I'm
hoping now by the end of September,

784
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,199
you know. Yeah, so I
still gotta bob. I have two other

785
01:06:34,239 --> 01:06:38,320
tracks that are finished. I gotta
finish up like mixing and everything. Then

786
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,599
I have four other tracks that I'm
working on, So let's just take them

787
01:06:41,679 --> 01:06:44,440
a long time with everything going on, to get these things done and done

788
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:45,639
the way I want to have him
done, you know. So yeah,

789
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:50,199
yeah, and everything everything that you've
released so far, it's all available on

790
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:55,159
Spotify for people who want to check
it out. Yes, everywhere excellent,

791
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:59,159
excellent. By the way, when
the album is h is ready, is

792
01:06:59,199 --> 01:07:02,360
there any kind of a a theme
to it or any anything that because this

793
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,760
will be your first full length,
right the others have been singles and EPs?

794
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:10,599
Yes, is do you have any
kind of Is there any kind of

795
01:07:10,639 --> 01:07:13,679
a theme with the album, because
it seems like with what you're doing,

796
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:19,519
I could imagine you having a theme
to it. Um, there is a

797
01:07:19,599 --> 01:07:21,719
theme and there's not a theme.
It's not really something I can say,

798
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,639
well it's is you know, a
venture in outer space or some kind of

799
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:30,360
physical theme like that. It's just
more like I want to I'm trying to

800
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,559
break into a segment, a little
different segment with what I'm doing. You

801
01:07:34,639 --> 01:07:38,000
know, it's not much different from
what I was doing before, but it's

802
01:07:38,039 --> 01:07:40,840
still a little different. It's enough
to I think it's going to do,

803
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,880
you know, I hopefully do better, you know, than the last releases.

804
01:07:45,239 --> 01:07:47,840
But there's really I mean a physical
set a theme down. I can't

805
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,159
really place one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was just curious,

806
01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:55,000
by the way, for people watching
online, that was Peter White. I

807
01:07:55,079 --> 01:07:58,159
was just waving at who was in
the room momentarily Peter White from the Morning

808
01:07:58,199 --> 01:08:01,159
Show. He always he'll come in
and he'll go like do the shust sound,

809
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:05,000
So I don't acknowledge that he's here, but wow, all right,

810
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:10,480
that's Peter White. Um right,
that's right, all right? Uh well,

811
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,920
Grim, what should people know?
Um? What do you want to

812
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:15,439
make sure that our listeners know?
Who want to keep up with what you're

813
01:08:15,479 --> 01:08:18,199
doing online? How to get your
music, how to uh you know,

814
01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:21,319
we might have people in your area
who want to catch a show. Um,

815
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:26,199
just fill us in on what people
should know about social media and anything

816
01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:28,800
else, or how they can get
one of these school shirts. Thank you

817
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,319
again for the shirt. I absolutely
love it, and the sticker and the

818
01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:35,840
stick yeah yeah, yeah, the
shirts. I did have a web store

819
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,920
up and I didn't do very well
with it, so I took it down.

820
01:08:39,079 --> 01:08:41,760
Oh okay, honestly, I mean
I just you know, yeah,

821
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:45,239
but I'll send anybody decals though,
you know what I mean. So if

822
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:47,960
anybody wants to send me a d
M an address, I'll mailma deco.

823
01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:51,399
Oh very nice, very nice.
But to keep up with things, I

824
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:55,119
mean just Grim rock and roll dot
com. You know, I do have

825
01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:59,439
a big website. It's really filled
up with things. Um, and they

826
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,319
can catch me if they put at
Grim rock and roll and spell it all

827
01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:06,079
out in one word, they can
find me anywhere. So yeah, yeah,

828
01:09:06,199 --> 01:09:10,840
outstanding. I'm gonna um, I'm
gonna close out the segment with this

829
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,439
track Haunted, one of the ones
you sent us that I really like a

830
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,279
lot. I like all of them, but and I think I think Don't

831
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:18,760
You is my favorite. It's just
so catchy. But I really like the

832
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:23,560
song Haunted. So we'll we'll we'll
play that in just a moment. But

833
01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:26,920
m Grim, thank you so much
for joining us today. This has been

834
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,880
wonderful, really nice to talk to
you. I really like the music.

835
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:31,520
And when the album comes out,
we'll definitely have to have you back.

836
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,840
Absolutely, and I appreciate you having
me on. I appreciate your opportunity.

837
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:41,199
Oh great, absolutely, my friend. Absolutely all right, it is wonderful

838
01:09:41,239 --> 01:09:44,079
to speak with you. I'm gonna
hit this track and uh, but we

839
01:09:44,199 --> 01:09:47,199
will we will talk to you very
soon. I'm sure all right, thank

840
01:09:47,239 --> 01:09:49,039
you, I hope so all right, you got a man, take care?

841
01:09:49,159 --> 01:09:54,640
Bye bye, all right. That
was wonderful. That was grim from

842
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:58,640
grim Rock, And we're gonna play
this, uh, this track Haunted.

843
01:09:59,159 --> 01:10:01,239
If you missed it, we did
the world radio premiere of the new single

844
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,640
don't You. But I have a
feeling you'll be uh, you'll be hearing

845
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:08,520
that again on the show in the
future. That might be one of our

846
01:10:09,079 --> 01:10:12,159
one of our songs that we play
now and then, because I really like

847
01:10:12,319 --> 01:10:15,279
it a lot. But I like
this one too, So let's give this

848
01:10:15,399 --> 01:10:18,399
a listen. This is grim Rock. This is called Haunted. We're gonna

849
01:10:18,399 --> 01:10:23,119
give this a spin and then we'll
come back and get into some more stuff

850
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:27,199
on the show today. This is
Matt Connerton unleashed. We are live from

851
01:10:27,239 --> 01:10:30,720
the studios of Whin three FM,
and here it is. This is Haunted

852
01:10:30,960 --> 01:11:26,239
by grim Rock. To the Cree
recalls people playing nether Side that day from

853
01:11:26,840 --> 01:12:03,840
in Ri from the bla in your
mind, yes say winness now wid coming

854
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:39,560
coming my right, I leave in
your mind. Why you riding your mind

855
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:30,439
in your right eye, while in
your mind your bi in your man.

856
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,079
Welcome back, everybody, as we
cruise in our final segment today of Matt

857
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:50,039
Connerton Unleashed, and we are live
from the studios of w m n H

858
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:56,000
ninety five point three FM in glorious
downtown Manchester, New Hampshire. Also on

859
01:14:56,119 --> 01:14:59,800
Comcast ninety seven if you're in Manchester
and hello to alv our online listeners a

860
01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:02,199
usination and around the globe. You
can go to my website Matt Connerton dot

861
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:06,079
com for all your live streaming options, social media links, contact info,

862
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:12,880
show archives, etcetera, etcetera.
Today is Wednesday, July twelve, two

863
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,159
thousand twenty three. So nice have
you all with me. Thank you again

864
01:15:15,239 --> 01:15:19,760
to grim Rock for joining us or
Grimm from grim Rock. We did the

865
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:24,239
world radio premiere of the new single
at Don't You So If you miss that,

866
01:15:24,319 --> 01:15:28,119
of course you can check the archive
of the show after the show is

867
01:15:28,319 --> 01:15:32,359
done at WMNH Radio dot org and
of course my website Matt Connerton dot com.

868
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:36,279
We also in the first hour we
were joined by our friend Eric Pilcher,

869
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:40,960
my favorite conservative all the way from
Cedar Rapids, Iowa. We had

870
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,159
a great discussion. But as we
a cruise into our final segment today,

871
01:15:44,199 --> 01:15:45,479
the phone line is open if you
would like to join us if you have

872
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:49,159
something on your mind. Six zo
three two five six Z seven six zo

873
01:15:49,279 --> 01:15:54,640
three two five h six Z seven
is the studio line. You can also

874
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:58,079
text me at six one seven nine
one seven four four seven six. I'm

875
01:15:58,119 --> 01:16:01,920
on social media at Matt Connerton.
You can email me Matt at Matt Connerton

876
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:05,600
dot com, and of course you
can interact endo Pine in the Facebook live

877
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:09,159
chat. But the best thing to
do so that we can hear and enjoy

878
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:15,079
your dulcet tones is give us a
call at six three two five six seven

879
01:16:15,159 --> 01:16:23,199
six three two five six seven.
I do want to probably save it for

880
01:16:23,239 --> 01:16:29,479
tomorrow. I don't think I've got
any guests booked tomorrow, so I do

881
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,399
want to at some point, as
I've been teasing and teasing, I want

882
01:16:32,399 --> 01:16:36,079
to get into the recent Supreme Court
decisions and kind of analyze those. But

883
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:41,760
that's a big discussion that's going to
take more time than we have left today,

884
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:47,359
So probably gonna shoot for tomorrow on
that Friday's show. Very excited about.

885
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:49,800
So of course, on Friday,
not only do we have Eric Pilcher's

886
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:57,319
classic film review, and this week
the subject is the film Vacation National Lampoon's

887
01:16:57,359 --> 01:17:00,640
vacation to be more precise. But
also my friend Dave Wally is going to

888
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:05,279
be joining us in the second hour
and we're gonna feature some tracks from Satellite

889
01:17:05,399 --> 01:17:09,319
Union, his band, and Dave
is I went to high school with Dave,

890
01:17:09,399 --> 01:17:14,079
a very talented musician. And also
I'd booked at least one or maybe

891
01:17:14,159 --> 01:17:17,880
more events for a band that he
was in after high school called October Suns.

892
01:17:18,319 --> 01:17:24,359
But Dave does a lot of great
stuff. Very talented guy and really

893
01:17:24,399 --> 01:17:29,279
looking forward to Friday's show. Let's
see. So we've got a lot coming

894
01:17:29,359 --> 01:17:33,199
up. But I think right now, oh by the way, the reason

895
01:17:33,319 --> 01:17:36,840
Peter White was here too because I
did reference it, he's gonna be doing

896
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:42,439
the He's gonna be at the I
think he's running at the movies at the

897
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,359
park up the street, Victory Park. I think it is tonight. The

898
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,239
film is Goonies, So if you'd
like to see Goonies, I just hope

899
01:17:48,279 --> 01:17:51,960
it doesn't rain. It did cloud
up out there, but that will be

900
01:17:53,079 --> 01:17:56,359
there and you can go there and
say hello to Peter White of The Morning

901
01:17:56,399 --> 01:18:00,239
Show with Peter White, which of
course airs weekdays from seven to nine am

902
01:18:00,279 --> 01:18:03,479
here on WMNH with a replay from
two to four pm right before this show.

903
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:09,159
But some breaking media news And I
did want to ask Eric about this

904
01:18:10,039 --> 01:18:14,039
because we do discuss media quite a
bit on the during our discussions during our

905
01:18:14,079 --> 01:18:18,439
segment on Wednesdays, but we just
didn't have time. But this news has

906
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:23,880
broken actually right before I got on
the air today. I think Fox News

907
01:18:25,079 --> 01:18:30,039
has another lawsuit on their hands.
They're being sued for defamation by Trump supporter

908
01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:34,920
Ray Apps over January six conspiracy claims. Now, if the name Ray Apps

909
01:18:35,039 --> 01:18:38,600
is familiar to you, but you're
not quite sure how you know it,

910
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:45,159
he was the gentleman who was at
the January six insurrection, as I like

911
01:18:45,239 --> 01:18:47,079
to call it. Not everyone agrees
that that is an appropriate term, but

912
01:18:47,159 --> 01:18:51,600
I stand by it. Insurrection,
of course, being defined as a by

913
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:57,319
Webster's I believe is a violent uprising
against a government or authority. So I

914
01:18:57,399 --> 01:19:00,319
don't know how it's not an insurrection, So that is my editorial choice to

915
01:19:00,399 --> 01:19:06,640
use that term. Um. But
anyway, Ray Epps was there. But

916
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:15,079
one of the one of the things
that insurrection apologists will try to use to

917
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,760
uh downplay the event is they'll they'll
say it you know, it was the

918
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:25,000
FBI's fault, and they'll of course, Chris Ray today did testify before Congress,

919
01:19:25,399 --> 01:19:28,279
Chris Ray ahead of the FBI.
We might might get to that tomorrow

920
01:19:28,359 --> 01:19:30,720
as well. I don't think we'll
get to it today. But um,

921
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:41,000
Tucker Carlson was putting forth the story
some kind of an alarm outside. Tucker

922
01:19:41,079 --> 01:19:45,760
Carlson was claiming that ray Epps was
actually an undercover FBI agent, or or

923
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,960
maybe it was just that he was
an FBI informant or something, but ray

924
01:19:49,039 --> 01:19:54,840
Epps was working with the FBI,
and that and that that that being evidence

925
01:19:54,920 --> 01:20:00,760
that it was all the FBI's fault. January sixth Um, and this is

926
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:04,000
not true. Yes, actually it
says right here. Yes, he was

927
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:09,039
accused of being an undercover FBI agent, which is not true. Ray Epps

928
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:16,119
actually was sincere in his Maga hood, his marauding Maga hood that day or

929
01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:24,520
maganests and he was not working as
an undercover FBI agent. But Tucker Carlson

930
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:29,119
would go on his show and say
this even though you know, because you

931
01:20:29,159 --> 01:20:33,399
don't need any evidence to believe in
this nonsense. And now he is being

932
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:38,000
sued or I'm sorry, Fox News
is being sued for defamation, and we

933
01:20:38,119 --> 01:20:42,000
still don't know exactly, by the
way, what went into Tucker Carlson's ouster

934
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,079
from Fox News. But one of
the many theories, and I think this

935
01:20:45,239 --> 01:20:50,119
has actually become a pretty prevalent theory, is that he was ousted because of

936
01:20:50,199 --> 01:20:57,680
this lawsuit that was inevitably going to
come. But there's other theories as well,

937
01:20:58,279 --> 01:21:00,359
or it might have been a combination
of things, and probably was.

938
01:21:03,239 --> 01:21:10,079
This is from CNBC dot Com some
key points. Fox News was sued for

939
01:21:10,199 --> 01:21:15,319
defamation by Ray Epps four spreading falsehoods
quote unquote that Epps was an undercover FBI

940
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:20,159
agent who was responsible for encouraging the
mob of Trump backers that invaded the US

941
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:26,039
capital on January six, twenty twenty
one. Epps's lawsuit in Delaware accused as

942
01:21:26,079 --> 01:21:30,800
recently ousted Fox News host Tucker Carlson
of being the major proponent of that false

943
01:21:30,039 --> 01:21:35,920
smear against the Arizona man. The
suit comes months after Fox News's corporate parent

944
01:21:36,039 --> 01:21:43,439
agreed to pay Dominion Voting Systems seven
hundred eighty seven point five million dollars to

945
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:49,119
settle that company's own defamation lawsuit against
Foxcorp. Of making false claims about the

946
01:21:49,159 --> 01:22:00,680
outcome of the twenty twenty presidential election. By the way, one of the

947
01:22:00,199 --> 01:22:06,880
consequences seat you can really you can
really ruin somebody's life by making false claims,

948
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:14,760
you know, like Ruby Freeman and
uh is it Georgia? You know,

949
01:22:15,119 --> 01:22:19,079
Uh? Trump claimed that Ruby Freeman
was a what did he call her?

950
01:22:19,119 --> 01:22:25,359
A notorious vote hustler in that call, you know, that quote unquote

951
01:22:25,399 --> 01:22:30,319
perfect call he had with Brad Raffinsburger, and that went out publicly and then

952
01:22:30,399 --> 01:22:32,880
next thing you know, Ruby Freeman
is looking over her shoulder everywhere she goes

953
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,119
because you know, without any evidence
or whatever. You know, Trump just

954
01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:43,800
said that. I just bring that
example up to say that, you know,

955
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,960
making a false accusation about somebody based
on nothing can really ruin somebody's life.

956
01:22:47,239 --> 01:22:56,600
Ray Apps is effectively at his life
ruined because imagine, imagine if you're

957
01:22:57,159 --> 01:23:00,920
say, for example, you know, you've got some militia buddy who you

958
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,319
know, think you're one of them, and then they're watching Tucker Carlson at

959
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:10,520
night, and Tucker Carlson is telling
them that that you're actually an undercover FBI

960
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:14,000
agent and you're not really one of
them, one of these militia. Dudes,

961
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:16,960
Well, guess who's gonna come knocking
at your door pretty soon in a

962
01:23:17,119 --> 01:23:21,159
rage when they've just learned from Tucker
Carlson falsely, but they don't know that

963
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:25,680
they've just learned from Tucker Carlson that
you're you've this whole time, you've been

964
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:30,039
an undercover FBI agent, even though
it's not true. You know what's gonna

965
01:23:30,079 --> 01:23:32,039
happen to you, what's gonna happen
to your family, and that's situation,

966
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:35,960
right, So he basically had to
go into hiding. So he had his

967
01:23:36,079 --> 01:23:41,520
life ruined, Ray Apps. He
had his life ruined by Tucker Carlson going

968
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:50,960
on Fox News and saying this based
on nothing. It says here some details

969
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:55,520
from the article. Again, this
is from CNBC dot Com. Fox News

970
01:23:55,640 --> 01:24:00,960
was sued for defamation today. This
was this just happened today? Self described

971
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:04,720
Donald Trump supporter Ray Epps for spreading
falsehoods that Epps was an undercover FBI agent

972
01:24:05,319 --> 01:24:11,319
who was responsible for encouraging a mob
of Trump backers that invaded the US capital

973
01:24:11,359 --> 01:24:14,960
on January six, twenty twenty one. Yes, and an agent provocateur is

974
01:24:15,199 --> 01:24:17,199
a term you'll often hear us.
You know that this claim that there were

975
01:24:17,319 --> 01:24:23,319
FBI agents there, who who were
you know, trying to trying to get

976
01:24:23,359 --> 01:24:27,159
everybody to act up, you know, as if, first of all,

977
01:24:27,399 --> 01:24:32,000
I just find the notion of an
absurd on its face. But also even

978
01:24:32,079 --> 01:24:36,159
if that is true, that's still
no excuse. In other words, if

979
01:24:36,199 --> 01:24:43,159
you commit a crime because somebody encourages
you to commit a crime, you've still

980
01:24:43,199 --> 01:24:46,720
committed a crime. You don't just
get to say, well, well,

981
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:49,279
somebody provoked me into doing this,
so I just, you know, so

982
01:24:49,399 --> 01:24:54,119
you can't hold me accountable. Somebody
said, yeah, somebody, somebody tried

983
01:24:54,159 --> 01:24:56,359
to get me to do something.
Somebody told me, yeah, you should

984
01:24:56,359 --> 01:24:59,199
go commit that crime, and I
said, do Okay, I guess I

985
01:24:59,279 --> 01:25:04,520
will. Can't hold me accountable.
Doesn't work that way. The suit by

986
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:11,039
the Arizona resident Epps was filed nearly
three months after Fox News's corporate parent agreed

987
01:25:11,079 --> 01:25:15,000
to pay Dominion Voting Systems seven hundred
eighty seven and a half million dollars to

988
01:25:15,039 --> 01:25:19,319
settle that company's defamation lawsuit against Foxcorp. By making false claims about the outcome

989
01:25:19,319 --> 01:25:24,520
of the twenty twenty presidential election.
The suit by Epps, a former US

990
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:27,880
marine, yeah by the way that
this is a veteran. This has been

991
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,359
done too, not that it should
be done to anybody, but this is

992
01:25:30,399 --> 01:25:38,359
someone who served his country, who
had his life ruined by Tucker Carlson.

993
01:25:41,399 --> 01:25:45,079
The suit by Epps, a former
US Marine, said that as Fox recently

994
01:25:45,199 --> 01:25:51,279
learned in the dominion case quote,
its lies have consequences unquote. The suit

995
01:25:51,359 --> 01:25:56,359
accuses former Fox News host Sucker Carlson, who has fired on the heels of

996
01:25:56,399 --> 01:26:00,479
the dominion settlement, of being the
primary promoter of the false conspiracy theory about

997
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:05,399
Epps. He was among the throng
of supporters of then President Trump who gathered

998
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:11,199
outside the capital on jan six,
And by the way, I believe he

999
01:26:11,359 --> 01:26:15,840
was the primary promoter of that conspiracy
theory on Fox. I don't know if

1000
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:21,720
anyone else on Fox. I don't
remember seen or hearing specific examples of anyone

1001
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:28,680
else on Fox saying this. I
think this was mainly coming from Tucker Carlson.

1002
01:26:30,199 --> 01:26:34,560
Epps and other Trump backers believed false
claims by Trump and his allies that

1003
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:40,039
the twenty twenty presidential election had been
rigged in favor of President Joe Biden.

1004
01:26:40,119 --> 01:26:43,600
A joint session of Congress was set
to confirm Biden's victory that day, and

1005
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:48,720
we all know that. Quote.
In the aftermath of the events of January

1006
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:55,359
six, Fox News searched for a
scapegoat to blame other than Donald Trump or

1007
01:26:55,439 --> 01:27:00,399
the Republican Party unquote, said Epps's
complaint filed in these aimed Delaware Superior Court,

1008
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:04,800
where Dominions sued. Quote. Eventually
they turned on one of their own,

1009
01:27:05,319 --> 01:27:11,159
telling a fantastical story in which Ray
Epps, who was a Trump supporter

1010
01:27:11,319 --> 01:27:15,640
that participated in the protests on January
sixth, was an undercover FBI agent and

1011
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:20,399
was responsible for the mob that violently
broke into the Capitol and interfered with the

1012
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:25,319
peaceful transition of power for the first
time in this country's history. Unquote.

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Again, that's from the lawsuit Epps
and his complaints said Fox News. Fox

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01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:39,760
News's quote lies have destroyed unquote his
and his wife, Robbin's lives. The

1015
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:44,479
suit also said that in May,
the US Department of Justice notified Epps quote

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that it would seek to charge him
criminally for events on January six, twenty

1017
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:56,920
twenty one, two and a half
years later. Unquote. The complaints said,

1018
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:00,680
quote, the relentless attacks by Fox
and mister Carl's and the resulting political

1019
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:05,239
pressure likely resulted in the criminal charges, Although it is difficult to believe that

1020
01:28:05,239 --> 01:28:10,239
the Department of Justice would have pursued
this matter if Fox had not focused its

1021
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:15,199
lies on Epps. Ultimately, the
criminal charges conclusively demonstrate the falsehood of the

1022
01:28:15,279 --> 01:28:20,439
story that mister Carlson and Fox told
about Epps. Epps was not a federal

1023
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:27,560
agent. He was a loyal Fox
viewer and Trump's supporter. Unquote. Fox

1024
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:34,239
News Today sought to have Epps's lawsuit
transferred to US District Court in Delaware.

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01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:41,039
A Fox spokesperson did not immediately respond
to a request for comment from CNBC.

1026
01:28:45,119 --> 01:28:50,039
So we kind of knew this was
coming, this particular development, and it

1027
01:28:50,319 --> 01:28:57,359
is. It is here. It
has arrived. But we'll move on from

1028
01:28:57,399 --> 01:29:00,760
that. Something else that is very
very important, and we only have a

1029
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:11,199
little bit of time left. But
it appears that Ukraine is on its way

1030
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:15,960
to becoming a member of NATO,
but not yet. So there is a

1031
01:29:16,359 --> 01:29:21,880
path. You know, you often
hear seems like usually in politics when you

1032
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:26,399
hear the word path, you're a
path to citizenship when we're talking about immigration,

1033
01:29:27,079 --> 01:29:30,439
but no, a path to being
a member of NATO. For Ukraine.

1034
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:46,039
Zolenski had been a very unhappy you
know, he almost he almost didn't

1035
01:29:46,079 --> 01:29:51,560
go to h He almost didn't go
to this meeting. He was threatening to

1036
01:29:51,640 --> 01:30:00,560
not show up at the G seven
meeting for the NATO summit. But uh,

1037
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:04,199
you know, and I thought he
was probably pushing a little harder than

1038
01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:10,720
he should have. But today it
was announced and Biden gave a speech in

1039
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:17,039
Lithuania which was actually about broader issues
about NATO. But but that was part

1040
01:30:17,079 --> 01:30:20,279
of it. Of course, this
is from CNN assurances that Ukraine's future is

1041
01:30:20,319 --> 01:30:26,359
in NATO and new security guarantees Kam
Morris at final day of summit. So

1042
01:30:27,239 --> 01:30:33,000
Zolenski what he had been pushing for
was he wanted INTNATO now. But obviously

1043
01:30:33,079 --> 01:30:38,520
that you can't do that because if
we were to if NATO were to make

1044
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:43,399
Ukraine it's thirty third member as they're
now finalizing by the way, Sweden,

1045
01:30:44,319 --> 01:30:51,720
Turkey, Urdawan of Turkey has said
that because in order to bring new members

1046
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:55,840
in TONATO, it has to be
a unanimous vote, so you have to

1047
01:30:55,960 --> 01:31:00,000
have everybody the thirty plus countries that
are already in NATO have to vote yay

1048
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:08,880
to allow a new country in and
Turkey. While when Finland and Sweden were

1049
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:14,359
initially seems like a year ago now, maybe it was when they were initially

1050
01:31:15,359 --> 01:31:20,800
considered and wanted to join NATO.
Finland got in relatively quickly, I believe,

1051
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:26,560
but Sweden has been held up by
Urduwan in Turkey. Turkey I always

1052
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:30,640
say, probably the least helpful member
of NATO, but they are, they

1053
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:33,239
are a member of NATO, They're
part of the family. And Urduwan finally

1054
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:40,520
agreed to let Sweden in. So
Sweden is in. There's um a theory

1055
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,960
that part of that might have to
do with the f sixteens that Turkey is

1056
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:47,760
now getting from the United States.
Obviously, Biden had to give Turkey something

1057
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:53,239
to talk Urduwan into agreeing to allow
Sweden to get in. But Sweden's getting

1058
01:31:53,279 --> 01:31:56,760
in, so Ukraine is next,
it looks like. But it can't happen

1059
01:31:56,880 --> 01:32:00,840
right away because it can't happen as
long as Ukraine is still war with Russia.

1060
01:32:00,079 --> 01:32:05,840
Obviously, now, the way that
Zolanski was pushing for this was he

1061
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:12,239
was suggesting that he wanted Ukraine and
NATO now, and he wants NATO to

1062
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:16,600
help, but we can't, as
I say all the time on the show,

1063
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:23,000
and we discuss this, you know, there's always people, there's always

1064
01:32:23,039 --> 01:32:24,800
people out there who would say,
oh, we gotta do more, and

1065
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:28,560
we gotta you know, NATO,
it's time for NATO to directly confront Russia.

1066
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:33,520
Can't happen. It simply can't happen. It's much too dangerous if we

1067
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:38,119
go to war with Russia directly.
I mean, you know, we're effectively

1068
01:32:38,199 --> 01:32:42,680
fighting a proxy war in a sense
already, but if we directly engage Russia

1069
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:48,279
militarily, that would likely escalate very
quickly into well, a nuclear exchange,

1070
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:56,239
which we can't allow to happen.
So Ukraine cannot be a part of NATO

1071
01:32:56,399 --> 01:33:00,800
until until Russia withdraws from Ukraine.
So that could be a while. Now.

1072
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:03,600
Biden seem to indicate that he thought
it might be a couple of months.

1073
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:14,119
I think this war might very well
drag on for years, much like

1074
01:33:14,359 --> 01:33:17,039
you know, I mean, hey, the Russians are used to something like

1075
01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:21,359
that. How long were they in
Afghanistan? Not as long as we were,

1076
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:28,560
necessarily, But I mean, I
really do think that's a possibility.

1077
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:31,199
I'm actually surprised when people say,
well, you know, maybe a few

1078
01:33:31,239 --> 01:33:34,760
more months and then Russia will finally
have no choice but to withdraw. I

1079
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:39,880
think that's been very optimistic, so
it might be years before Ukraine is actually

1080
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:46,520
in NATO. But we can't allow
them in in an official capacity because we

1081
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:53,039
can't trigger Article five, which then
puts all of NATO at war with Russia.

1082
01:33:53,520 --> 01:34:03,239
Now I agree with some ambivalence.
I basically agree that Ukraine should be

1083
01:34:03,359 --> 01:34:10,319
allowed in to NATO, but I
also agree with that being delayed until the

1084
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:15,960
issue with Russia is resolved for obvious
reasons. The other thing that has been

1085
01:34:15,159 --> 01:34:23,159
a subject of great controversy recently is
the Biden administration deciding to give cluster bombs

1086
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:30,880
to the Ukrainian military to use.
And that's that's been quite controversial, and

1087
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:35,239
I think it's something upon which reasonable
people can disagree and not terribly partisan either.

1088
01:34:35,319 --> 01:34:39,359
There are some both Republicans and Democrats
who have been very critical of the

1089
01:34:39,399 --> 01:34:44,880
Biden administration. There is a treaty
which says that we don't use cluster bombs,

1090
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:48,119
but the United States never actually signed
on to that treaty, so we're

1091
01:34:48,239 --> 01:34:51,399
under no obligation to not use them. It's been our policy not to use

1092
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:56,640
them, but we are going to
use them or I'm sorry, we're not

1093
01:34:56,800 --> 01:35:00,399
using them. We're giving them to
Ukraine to use, and those cluster bombs

1094
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:05,199
will help, might help significantly.
The Russians use them. We don't use

1095
01:35:05,279 --> 01:35:12,199
them because of them. And again
this is why the objections to it are

1096
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:16,640
not unreasonable, and I'm open to
those arguments. But the reason we're not

1097
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:21,920
supposed to use them, why using
them is discouraged is because the cluster bombs,

1098
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:26,560
it's like they've got well they're called
that because they have a cluster of

1099
01:35:27,159 --> 01:35:32,199
smaller bombs inside the larger bomb.
So when the cluster bomb is detonated,

1100
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:41,199
smaller bombs or they're actually called bomblets
are released and dispersed effectively, and then

1101
01:35:41,239 --> 01:35:45,680
they explode and on impact and cause
all kinds of damage. But the problem

1102
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:53,319
is not all of these bomblets necessarily
detonate. So if you drop a cluster

1103
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:58,479
bomb and the bomblets dispersed, but
you have maybe one or two that don't

1104
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:03,800
detonate on impact, now what you
effectively have is minds. You have minds

1105
01:36:04,479 --> 01:36:10,800
where wherever those undetonated bomblets land.
And this has been a big problem,

1106
01:36:11,079 --> 01:36:17,920
for example in Laos where they're still
trying to find all the all all of

1107
01:36:18,039 --> 01:36:23,439
these where cluster bombs have been used, where they've left behind these mines where

1108
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:28,920
you know, again you've got a
child walking along, walking through a field,

1109
01:36:29,119 --> 01:36:33,560
doesn't know that that's there, touches
it, steps on, it ends

1110
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:41,760
up getting killed. So it's very, very dangerous. The reason I agree,

1111
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:47,079
though, the rationale for why these
cluster bombs are being given to Ukraine

1112
01:36:47,119 --> 01:36:51,800
with our blessing to use them is
because they're running out of munitions. And

1113
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:56,119
so the calculation, and Biden himself
said, you know that he had to

1114
01:36:56,159 --> 01:36:59,079
be convinced. It took a while
to convince him to do this because he

1115
01:36:59,119 --> 01:37:04,359
understood its contra diversial and the potential
consequences. But the thing of it is,

1116
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:10,159
and I agree with this assessment,
again with ambivalence, but I agree,

1117
01:37:13,079 --> 01:37:15,319
if Ukraine is allowed to run out
of ammunition, it's over. This

1118
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:21,039
will have all been for nothing.
If Ukraine runs out of ammunition, the

1119
01:37:21,239 --> 01:37:27,720
Russians will then be able to take
over. They will finally be able to

1120
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:33,279
fulfill their mission of conquering Ukraine.
So yeah, you can say all you

1121
01:37:33,399 --> 01:37:38,039
want to, well, it's not
right to use these cluster bombs because of

1122
01:37:38,159 --> 01:37:42,760
the potential consequences after the war where
you have these unexploded minds effectively. But

1123
01:37:44,079 --> 01:37:49,000
if it's not going to matter,
if if, if you don't do this

1124
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:56,039
and you just ultimately you're handing the
Russians of victory, you know, then

1125
01:37:56,359 --> 01:38:01,720
you haven't. I guess what I'm
saying is there really is no other option.

1126
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:08,560
It's a last resort type of thing. So I agree with the decision.

1127
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:14,039
I understand the objections, but again, if you allow them, if

1128
01:38:14,079 --> 01:38:15,720
you don't give them the cluster bombs, and you allow them to run out

1129
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:23,840
of ammunition, then this is all
this is all for not and you know

1130
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:28,680
the Russians will win at that point. That's my view of it. So

1131
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:34,640
so I agree with the decision,
and as far as letting Ukraine and Tornato

1132
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:39,279
again, I basically agree. I
The only thing I worry about with that

1133
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:45,760
is how will Putin respond? And
I don't mean that I think I'm as

1134
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:51,640
concerned. I'm always concerned about Putin
responding to anything that we do in this

1135
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:59,359
area in an escalatory way. But
that's always a worry. But what I'm

1136
01:38:59,399 --> 01:39:05,600
also can concerned about is because Putin
has been arguing he argues to his people

1137
01:39:06,399 --> 01:39:12,520
to keep them compliant and to keep
them believing in him effectively, and using

1138
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:19,039
Russian state media to do that.
He puts forth the rationale that this war

1139
01:39:19,239 --> 01:39:24,840
is not Russia versus Ukraine, it's
Russia versus NATO. And I'm a little

1140
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:30,600
bit worried that now, by opening
this path for Ukraine to become a part

1141
01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:34,279
of NATO, that that actually plays
into Putin's hands a little bit rhetorically,

1142
01:39:34,399 --> 01:39:39,640
and that it makes it It does
make it easier, I think for him

1143
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:43,720
to make that argument, put forth
that argument to the Russian people, see,

1144
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:47,800
look what's happening now, Ukraine's being
welcomed into NATO. See it really

1145
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:51,239
is it's us versus NATO. We're
not at war with Ukraine, We're at

1146
01:39:51,279 --> 01:39:59,079
war with all of NATO. I
think this makes it easier for him make

1147
01:39:59,159 --> 01:40:08,920
that argument. But I also think
that it's entirely possible, and again this

1148
01:40:09,079 --> 01:40:14,239
is on the pro Ukraine being given
this opportunity side of the Ledger. I

1149
01:40:14,319 --> 01:40:20,119
also think it's entirely possible that Putin
will see this and begin to really think,

1150
01:40:20,359 --> 01:40:26,159
Okay, I've got to find an
off ramp here, because not only

1151
01:40:27,359 --> 01:40:30,279
I mean he might be thinking,
unless he's just too arrogant to confront this

1152
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:34,760
reality. If he is thinking,
if he is still a rational actor,

1153
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:41,960
as we say, I would think
he might be thinking, Okay, it's

1154
01:40:42,039 --> 01:40:46,079
bad enough that not only did NATO
not fall apart, but that they've hung

1155
01:40:46,159 --> 01:40:53,720
together and added two more countries in
Finland and Sweden. Bad enough all of

1156
01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:57,479
that, but now on top of
that, Ukraine is now going to be

1157
01:40:57,560 --> 01:41:04,760
joining NATO. I've got to find
a way out of this. We'll see.

1158
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:12,960
I'm hopeful that that is where this
goes, but I don't think it's

1159
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:15,119
going to be. And anybody who
says, well, you know, we've

1160
01:41:15,159 --> 01:41:17,800
got a few more months and then
you know Ukraine can be a part of

1161
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:26,760
NATO that I think has been unrealistically
optimistic. Unfortunately, I think this is

1162
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:30,159
all going to drag on for a
while, and Zelenski is going to have

1163
01:41:30,239 --> 01:41:32,159
to be a little patient. But
I mean he did get I mean,

1164
01:41:32,239 --> 01:41:35,640
this is a big step though,
This is a big step. This is

1165
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:38,880
a change because prior to this it
had been no, no, no,

1166
01:41:39,079 --> 01:41:43,840
Ukraine's not ready. Ukraine's not ready. Now now Ukraine probably is ready or

1167
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:51,920
will be soon. But we can't
allow that to happen. Yet Tom Blanchard

1168
01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:56,239
in the chat room says, the
Russians are deliberately planting land mines. Yeah,

1169
01:41:56,279 --> 01:41:58,439
well that's what I mean, Tom, it's you know, the Russians

1170
01:41:58,439 --> 01:42:01,079
are doing this anyway, so the
cluster bombs. For Ukraine to be able

1171
01:42:01,119 --> 01:42:06,640
to use these cluster bombs, I
don't think it's bad. I mean again,

1172
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:12,479
they have to map. They have
to map where they're using these because

1173
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:17,720
if this works and it does repel
Russia and they do eventually withdraw, they're

1174
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:21,159
gonna have to go back and find
all the unexploded bomblets. So they have

1175
01:42:21,239 --> 01:42:25,199
to map this, and they have
to do this very carefully and accurately.

1176
01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:29,680
Chris Rose from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts
joins us Hichris in the chat room.

1177
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:30,560
But we gotta go, we are
out of time. Thank you again to

1178
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:33,880
grim from grim Rock, and thank
you again, of course to our friend

1179
01:42:34,039 --> 01:42:38,840
Eric Pilcher, everybody in the chatroom, everyone who call it today, and

1180
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:41,359
if you miss any partner today's show
it we'll be up in just a little

1181
01:42:41,399 --> 01:42:45,079
bit at WMH radio dot org and
on my website Matt Connerton dot com.

1182
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:49,720
Goonies in the Park tonight. If
you get a chance, swing down there,

1183
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:54,560
say hello to Peter White. And
if you're listening live on Wednesday,

1184
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:57,479
but leave a replay of Grantited.
State of Mind is coming up next with

1185
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:00,359
the Great Rob as a Veto,
and I'll talk to y'all a little bit

1186
01:43:00,399 --> 01:43:02,680
later. Here's a little more grim
rock to play us out today. By

1187
01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:26,640
everybody I know, is that I
never doubt here I see it's all inside

1188
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:33,119
of you, sky b