WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.919 --> 00:00:10.400 Big food and be on with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, 2 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:20.519 so like to subscribe and read it time, stage, day, listening, 3 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:29.679 watching, always keep it squatching and now your hosts Cliff Barrickman and James 4 00:00:29.719 --> 00:00:34.719 Bobo Fay. Thanks to next Evo for supporting our show. Try next Evo 5 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:39.880 Naturals, capsules, gummies, mints and topical creams. Upgrade your CBD. 6 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:43.799 Go to next evo dot com, slash Bigfoot and get twenty pers off your 7 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:48.280 first order or forty dollars or more. Hello, Hello Bobo, how are 8 00:00:48.280 --> 00:00:52.679 you doing? Excellent? Excellent? What's what makes today so fantastic for you? 9 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:56.439 Anything? Or just like a good mood? Bob's just a good day 10 00:00:56.840 --> 00:01:00.840 went down. I met my buddy. He's a school principal and he had 11 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:07.280 a little nine year old guy who lost his dad and he's in a big 12 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:10.120 Foot big time. So we took him down. He's into like tracking and 13 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:12.680 stuff. He went down to the beach and we're like doing a little practicing 14 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:15.640 tracking through the sand stuff like that. Hung out for a couple of hours. 15 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:19.159 Was it was cool? He was all stuck. Yeah, I guess 16 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:23.560 he's been pretty he's been pretty bummed out, So I thought him like real 17 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:26.799 happy. I think that's understandable if he lost his dad. Yeah, yeah, 18 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:30.280 for sure, doing something good for somebody else, that's fantastic. Boops. 19 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:34.840 Yeah, that's always the best saying totally totally. Yeah. If you 20 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:38.239 feel crappy about something anything, then yeah, do something good for somebody else, 21 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:42.680 and he usually pulls you out of it exactly. That had some cool 22 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:46.040 stuff happened this past week or so, I guess. The first thing is 23 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:49.760 I was checking cameras on my property, you know, and we have another 24 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:53.560 resident mountain lion hanging out. We got him about three or four times over 25 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:56.519 a period of a week and a half two weeks. And then literally the 26 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:59.040 day I went and checked my cameras and got the mountain lion, I put 27 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:01.280 one of these on the my Facebook, I guess too. So I think 28 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:06.040 I did. I could be wrong about that, or Melissa did Melissa Melissa 29 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:07.799 did? There you go? I can't remember. I get I get she, 30 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:10.000 I get her and me mixed up all the time. You know, 31 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:14.120 we are a unit of as one. But um, it's funny. The 32 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:15.879 day I went and checked the cameras and then getting got the footage and all 33 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:20.039 that stuff. Uh. Nico, the manager here at the North American big 34 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:23.240 Foot Center, he texted me like a ten or ten thirty at night because 35 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:27.240 he was coming down the road out of Sandy, this this road called a 36 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:30.759 ten ike. Um. He was coming down the road and a mountain lion 37 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:34.479 ran out in front of his car and uh. And being a big footer 38 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:37.800 or being a legit big footer like Nico is, he had a dash cam, 39 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:39.479 so he got it on. He got it on dash cam, which 40 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:43.000 is pretty cool. And you know that that's about, you know, three 41 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:45.560 miles or so from where I lived, three or four miles probably at the 42 00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:49.280 most. Um, so it's probably the same cat. So we've got a 43 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:52.879 big cat in the neighborhood roaming around doing stuff, which is kind of cool. 44 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:55.080 Yeah. Yeah, Well, you know we're watching her pretty close, 45 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:58.919 and you know when when she goes out, you know, to take care 46 00:02:58.919 --> 00:03:01.080 of business or whatever. I'm I'm always there. I'm like a helicopter dad 47 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:04.680 down right, Yeah, a helicopter dad. And if I if I had 48 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:09.479 my way, I'd give Soci a trophy for participation like all the other helicopter 49 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:13.400 moms. And Dad's out there. Um, yay. But you know what, 50 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:15.680 there's something else too. I finally got to the woods again this week 51 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:19.680 because the weather's been snotty. Man, the weather's been kind of nasty. 52 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:23.360 It's snowed this week. It's snowed. It's April. It's April, you 53 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:27.280 know. But yeah, I got out in the woods with Keith. We 54 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:30.759 went to a new area called the Secret Swamp because you know we nickname everything 55 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:35.800 and that this this area produced a footprint last um May. Yeah, so 56 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:38.000 we okay, let's go check out that area. You know, are a 57 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:39.199 lot of most are other spot the bogs, you know, all snowed in 58 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:42.800 and stuff. There's nowhere else to go. So we went down way down 59 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:45.759 the Clackamus, you know, pretty far down there, almost as far as 60 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:49.199 you can go at this point because it's still not open between Sakada and Detroit, 61 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:52.879 and um, there's this one little you would never even know it's there. 62 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:55.080 It's like off the beaten path. There's this like side swamp on the 63 00:03:55.080 --> 00:04:00.039 side of the road and there's no indication that it's there. I told we 64 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:03.000 found it on accident at one point, um. And so we went there, 65 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:08.719 um and sure enough we found a trackway we found a track way another 66 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:11.479 track way. It's pretty cool. At first, We're thinking, God, 67 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:13.400 it is that? Is that a boot? Like? Who's walking? Like 68 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:15.800 why why would somebody stop here? Of course we stop there, but like 69 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:17.600 why would somebody stop here? Um? But I don't, but you know, 70 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:23.360 you know how you can tell like exactly freaks like me or something. 71 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:26.600 Um. But like the right foot, you know, like like a boot 72 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:29.439 or whatever, it has a nice rounded front to it. This had a 73 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:31.360 slanty front, you know, and it slanted like a right foot and a 74 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:35.120 left foot with the big toe off one side. The hellos um and the 75 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:39.879 princes were about thirteen inches long or something and real loose forest stuff, but 76 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:43.639 some of them were real deep and real big. We found about two one, 77 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:46.439 two, three, four or five, six or eight of them or 78 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:49.040 something like that. And it was going down towards the swamp from the side 79 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:53.199 of the road, you know. Um. And then so we oh, 80 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:56.639 let's go down to swamp and this swamp. Um, there's a pool of 81 00:04:56.680 --> 00:05:00.399 water there. And really it's a big muddy area this time of year because 82 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:02.839 the skunk cabbage and the other plants have not really come up yet, because 83 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:09.560 snow is there. Pretty recently and we found probably another dozen footprints down there. 84 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:12.959 None of them were super distinct or anything, you know, but like 85 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:16.560 nice big rounded heels, rounded it like on the back, but also underneath. 86 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:20.000 So that's another way that we're pretty sure. Maybe I could be wrong, 87 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:23.360 you know, I'm pretty sure though that that was not a boot, 88 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:27.560 because boots tend to have flat bottoms, and these had rounded bottoms on the 89 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:30.480 heels, and and there were some visible toes and a couple of these or 90 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:33.680 least indications or suggestions of them. So that was a pretty exciting thing, 91 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:35.319 you know. So we we said, well, god, do we even 92 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:41.399 try to cast these because they're pretty sloppy and they're in pretty loose forest stuff 93 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:44.000 like the ones that we found up on top, the ones down in the 94 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:46.959 swamp and the mud and stuff like they were you know, a thick layer 95 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:49.680 of leaves, you know, old alder leaves rotting from underneath the snow from 96 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:53.639 all season. You know. So none of those were really fit to be 97 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:56.920 cast. You know, you could you could see where things walked. And 98 00:05:56.959 --> 00:06:00.720 oh, we also measured the step. They're about thirty nine forty forty two 99 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:03.879 inches between like the left heel and the right heel, so pretty long, 100 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:08.399 pretty long for a person, I would say, And again, maybe maybe 101 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:10.959 it was a person. None of them were so distinct that we could be 102 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:15.639 absolutely sure of that, but I strongly leaned towards that. We found another 103 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:19.879 trackway. Is there a handprint? Yeah, yeah, I haven't even got 104 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:24.199 to that. But then we decided to cast a couple of these, just 105 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:27.160 because you know, we're there and the so were they the footprints in the 106 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:31.279 ground, and we chose the two most promising ones to cast um, and 107 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:34.639 so we poured plaster in those, and while they were drawing, we figured, 108 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:38.279 okay, well this thing had to come from somewhere, so let's go 109 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:41.120 look on the other side of the roads. We get back up on the 110 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:44.480 road and you know, it's a logging road out where we were, and 111 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:47.560 we start scanning and walking up and down and um, ahead of our ahead 112 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:50.759 of the rig there a little bit was as culvert and I noticed a couple 113 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:56.360 of peculiar impressions in the covert, and as I looked closer, um, 114 00:06:56.480 --> 00:07:00.759 the one on the left had what appeared to be holes going down, and 115 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:01.720 I was looking at it, trying to make sense of it, and then 116 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:05.600 it hit me, I think it was a handprint, and then the other 117 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:10.199 one to the right was about I forget thirty four thirty eight inches I think, 118 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:13.079 to the right of it, and there was another print that had these 119 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:15.519 indications of holes in it, and I said, well, these might be 120 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:20.199 handprints. And you know what's interesting is in between these two possible handprints, 121 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:25.240 the ground has kind of been rubbed away to some degree, almost like as 122 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:29.160 I mean, we're hypothesizing here. This is a stretch, of course, 123 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:32.399 but it kind of looks like maybe hands were like left and right hands were 124 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:36.439 there in this colvert on this hill right a hill about forty five degrees or 125 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:41.319 something like that, and maybe if it was a person or a sasquatch, 126 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:44.920 the chest might have rubbed against the ground in this area. We didn't see 127 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:48.560 any or anything like that, but it had been disturbed. So we did 128 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:53.600 our best to cast those. And again it was real loose forest stuff, 129 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:58.439 etc. But the fingerprints were there and we cast it and we just cleaned 130 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.519 them off today. Keith came into the shop today. We cleaned them off 131 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:03.680 to hosed them down pretty good. And you know, we're not looking at 132 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:07.240 like, you know, Tom Shay's handprints or something like that, like that 133 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:11.519 like real strong indications of fingers, but the fingers are there. And when 134 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:16.160 we layered when we laid the Tom shayhandprints over at the smaller of the ones, 135 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:18.639 not not Goliath, but the smaller ones from twenty sixteen, when I 136 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:22.439 laid those over the top, the fingers pretty much matched up exactly where they 137 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:28.079 should be left and right. Um so, I think we got some handprints. 138 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:31.079 And it's again, these are that aren't the sort of casts that would 139 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:33.519 impress anybody. They're not something you would take home and you know, you 140 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:37.279 know, show introduce some mom and dad or anything like that. They're kind 141 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:39.320 of a mess, but I think they're legit. I think I think we 142 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:43.519 got some handprints. Um So, yeah, if you're if you do, 143 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:46.240 indeed come up in the next couple of weeks. But I gotta show you 144 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:48.879 these. I think they're pretty interesting, pretty interesting. I'll be up there 145 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:52.519 next week. Fantastic. Well, I can't wait to show you. It's 146 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:54.639 gonna be good, it's gonna be interesting. So yeah, So anyway, 147 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:58.559 more more data collection and stuff, which is I guess probably the theme of 148 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:03.799 our show right here, data collections for scientific analysis that we just run into 149 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:09.399 our guests tonight we got the legendary producer from Monster Quest and the original Bigfoot 150 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:16.440 series, also Mysterious Encounters. He also hosts He's got his own podcast, 151 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:20.519 Untold Radio AM. So he's got a good His podcast is great too. 152 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:24.159 So it's a good friend of ours and one of the top researchers in the 153 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:30.039 world. Doug high Check, Welcome Doug, Welcome back, Doug. Hey, 154 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:33.360 how are you doing, Bobo? And how you doing? Cliff good? 155 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:35.000 Doing all right and doing it right. I've had a good week as 156 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:37.679 you as you heard, so yeah, it's good to be back here. 157 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:41.360 And I got some questions for you. Yeah, I've got some questions for 158 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:45.720 you too, follow up things I've heard another podcasts and but but how is 159 00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:48.759 your podcast going now? And you have a podcast network if I understand things 160 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:54.399 correctly, right, Yeah, we've got ten podcasts total. And um we 161 00:09:54.480 --> 00:10:03.720 have the Flakeship Show, Untold Radio AM, Bobo Mention and see there's a 162 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:09.960 number of shows that are just Bigfoot, the Bigfoot influencers, the Sasquatch out 163 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:15.120 Post Wide Open Research does Bigfoot about as much as we do, you know, 164 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:18.279 which is you know, it's quite often we kind of lean we lean 165 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:24.480 towards Bigfoot only because Bigfoot rocks. It's still the best in the most fueled 166 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:28.200 mystery out there. Yeah, it's certainly the best supported of the cryptids. 167 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:33.480 I think. Well, the thing is, it's just fueled constantly. There's 168 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:37.360 just so much material and so many things that just keep coming up, and 169 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:41.919 there's so many witnesses, and so I always tell people, man, you 170 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:46.759 can scientists especially. I was talking to one um yesterday and I said, 171 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:50.679 yeah, well, you can ignore this subject, but it's not going away. 172 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:54.679 And of course it's not going away because the animals are real. Yeah 173 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:58.159 exactly, I said, you know, you don't you don't hear us reporting 174 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:03.879 unicorns. No one's reporting unicorns, but they're reporting big boots like every day. 175 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:07.600 You know. It's just it goes on and on and so um. 176 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:11.799 You know, I tend to lean towards doing that. It's where my interest 177 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:15.440 is. Um. In fact, you know, I would probably put me 178 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:18.799 in you know, and I'm obsessed over the topic. Yeah, preaching at 179 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:22.440 the choir here, you know, the one the choir at the One Tree 180 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:30.159 Church. Yeah exactly, amen. Amen is right, amen. But you 181 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:33.440 know, it's it's been such a good thing in my life. Um, 182 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:39.879 I mean I can't think of anything that's influenced in more positive ways than this 183 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:43.000 topic. Yeah, gets you out there, you'd be cool industry people go 184 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:48.720 coolishing places and you learn cool unishing things. Well, look what it's done 185 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:52.360 for you know, your your life, Bobo and your life. Oh yeah, 186 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:54.840 I met my wife, I met my dog, I met my bobo. 187 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:58.519 You have a museum, the museum, right, there's that too. 188 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:00.679 I forgot about that, you know. I put my wife, my dog, 189 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:03.320 and my Bobo above that. But yeah, well that's good. But 190 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:07.360 it's still and it's not it's not over yet. Now they're not dead yet. 191 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:09.799 In other words, right, no, no, it's going to continue 192 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:16.120 to you know, influence your life. And I've always you know, always 193 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:20.120 tell people people that are interested in Bigfoot, I think are some of the 194 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:26.080 most intelligent people on the planet. Despite what skeptics might think, it's the 195 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:31.360 absolute opposite. These are curious people. These are people that are open minded, 196 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:35.240 wanting to learn. You know, they're reading everything they can read, 197 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:39.440 going to lectures, conferences, taking their time to learn, learn and learn 198 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:43.600 and learn about things they're interested in. Doesn't get I mean, life doesn't 199 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:46.360 get any better when you can just sit there and you know, and try 200 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:52.159 to tap into other topics that tie in. You know, I wouldn't know 201 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:56.039 anything about DNA if it wasn't for Bigfoot, for instance, why would I 202 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.919 be interested in it. Everyone thinks that about DNA because they watch cop show 203 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:03.039 than that because they have this perception of DNA from that. Then you're trying 204 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:07.200 to tell them like, that's because they have a known type special they can 205 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:11.960 match, and I tell it's totally totally different from Bigfoot. Exactly, yeah, 206 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:16.159 exactly. We had this virologist I think the term is in the museum 207 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:18.919 today, and I was talking to him as some PhD guy or whatever. 208 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:22.840 Really nice guy, real smart, real nice. He's anybody's speaking way above 209 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:24.559 my head. Unfortunately, you know, way about my pay grade. M 210 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:28.679 But he was talking about the various things that could be done besides DNA, 211 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:31.080 say if we get a blood sample or something like that, and testing the 212 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:35.919 viruses and antibodies the thing has, and how that might be comparable to other 213 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:41.240 species in the environment and whatnot, and and and so I had a nice 214 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:43.960 conversation with him, not only about that, but also the fact that to 215 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:46.440 go to kind of go along with what you were just saying, Doug is 216 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:50.960 that kind of no matter what you're interested in, you can apply it somehow 217 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:56.240 to bigfoot Like it is really truly a multidisciplinary topic. You know, a 218 00:13:56.360 --> 00:14:01.759 geologist can apply what they know to bigfoots of you know this are this virologists, 219 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:05.240 you know, trackers, outdoors people, the collegists, oh, pure 220 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:09.000 citology. Uh yeah, yeah, you know herpetology. You know, the 221 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:16.360 whole bio um, the sphere of the entire forest um really affects what we 222 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:22.720 do. And I mean you were just tracking um camera technology. I mean 223 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:28.120 the list is just endless, literally endless. No, That's why I always 224 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:33.120 tell people you big footers are the smartest people there are. I haven't seen 225 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:37.679 that for years. Yeah, and and yet I love how we get made 226 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:41.840 fun of by sometimes the mains to impress, you know, they'll just kind 227 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:46.679 of you know, like they're a bunch of dummies wasting their time, but 228 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:50.320 your cks and it's the absolute opposite. Yeah, But then you read the 229 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:54.080 articles say, right, you go like who's the dummy now? Like whoever 230 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:56.519 wrote this garbage is? Who the moron is? No? And it's just, 231 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.919 um, I think about all the things I I've learned because of this 232 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:07.120 topic and it's endless. You know, my interest in whileife research just it 233 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:11.559 doesn't change. It just slides right into bigfoot And even though in the big 234 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:16.440 fold world, I've still failed at everything I've tried. That's big footing. 235 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:18.480 But I also feel I've come close and many you know, because it was 236 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:24.159 how was those clues that you were that close to that perfect storm where you 237 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:28.559 almost got what you wanted? You know, that thumb that you saw in 238 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:33.399 that trail camera was so close. But you know, these are very smart 239 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:39.120 creatures we're dealing with. Well, great people aren't great because they succeed. 240 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:43.120 They're great because they keep pushing through their failures. You know that at the 241 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:46.159 end of the day. Yeah, no, that's um, that's that's exactly 242 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:50.320 true. And um, I haven't given up. Never gonna give up until 243 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:54.440 I'm not breathing. People give who give up, they end up being either 244 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:58.240 scoffticks, as we see far too often, you know, on social media 245 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:02.399 and stuff, and or go straight paranormal. I think I've noticed a lot 246 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:04.360 of people who've been doing this a long time they say, well I would 247 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:07.960 have solved this by now. They must be paranormal in some sort of way, 248 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:11.000 which I think is a cop out, a total cop out. Yeah, 249 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:14.320 well, you know, I mean one of the one of the biggest 250 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:18.080 arguments that the paranormal is use. And you know, I'm not going to 251 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:23.039 say the wrong because I don't know they could be right. But they say, 252 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:26.919 well, you know, the trackway ended, and I'm like, why 253 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:33.279 do you know it didn't get on its hands and knees or roll away you 254 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:37.000 know, you don't know, or leap to a tree, or leap really 255 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:40.039 far into a new area, land on a rock. I was so, 256 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:42.480 I was just thinking about this exact same thing because I heard somebody mentioned that 257 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:45.159 in the museum when I was in the back working on some of the project 258 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:52.919 here, and it occurred to me, I have never seen any evidence of 259 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:56.720 that, like I've I've heard of that. People tell me that's true, 260 00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:02.919 But but I'm at the point in my cynical career here that I'm not really 261 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:06.319 believing much of what people tell me anymore unless there's something to support it, 262 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:10.480 because people are such poor observers and they have a kind of lousy language skills 263 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:11.599 and all that sort of stuff, you know, the things I'm always on 264 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:15.160 my soapbox ranting about here on the Big Foot of Beyond podcast. But I've 265 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:22.799 never seen any evidence of good footprints just completely disappearing in the ground. I 266 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:26.720 haven't either. It might be one of these sort of mythological things. Because 267 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:29.240 we start talking about people hear about it, so it must be true. 268 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:33.119 Everybody talks about it. But I've never once seen those clear snowprints disappear. 269 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:37.599 I've never once seen good footprints in mud just completely disappear in the middle of 270 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:41.319 a field. I mean, maybe this might be just untrue. I don't 271 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:45.680 know. Yeah, well, I have a feeling if I was brought to 272 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:48.759 one of those sites where the footprints disappear, I would be able to figure 273 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:52.400 it out. You know. Bob Strain told me he saw one and upon 274 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:56.599 close inspection, the thing turned around and walked out in his own footprints. 275 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:00.319 Sure, that's that's always another possibility that they can just do that. But 276 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:03.200 you know, I also believe these things go down in all fours it. 277 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:08.160 At times I believe that they couldn't. You know, if you're dealing with 278 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:15.799 a human like intelligence, there's nothing stopping over from laydown and rolling away to 279 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:19.039 throw you off their drill. Deer do that, you know, deer belly 280 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:22.359 crawl, so you don't even need a human like intelligence. You know, 281 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:27.279 doing your research before you buy me is making better informed choices, especially when 282 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:32.440 it comes to stress or sleep products like CBD. I mean, I dig 283 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:36.039 deep, dude, before I buy something. I always look at tons of 284 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:40.400 reviews, you know, people's comments, and a study by an independent lab 285 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:44.480 confirms some brands contain up to sixty percent less CBD than they claim on the 286 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:47.880 label. 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I'm really planning on diving very deep into covering all 323 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:18.839 of these topics and legamide signs number two. Yeah, yeah, well that 324 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:21.440 and of course that's why we invited you back on. You have a Kickstarter 325 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:23.000 at this point, I believe trying to get some funding going to get this 326 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:27.640 actually start in production. Is that right? Yeah. Obviously we've had a 327 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:32.559 lot of delays. COVID was one of the big ones. Then I've been 328 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:40.079 kind of tickled by some network activity and production company activity, and in the 329 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:44.400 end I'm still left on my own. And so now it's like Steward die, 330 00:21:44.440 --> 00:21:45.920 we got to get this figured out, you know, even if if 331 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:52.039 I have to finance it myself in my partner, I guess we'll do that. 332 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:57.000 But the forensics are going to suffer because you know, we maybe we 333 00:21:57.039 --> 00:22:02.720 only get to test a few things. And so this this is not an 334 00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:10.720 entertainment film I want to do. There's so much science that you know, 335 00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:15.680 it's it's really people are funding forensic tests directly. They're not just funding you 336 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:19.039 know, entertainment. Yes, it will be entertaining, it will be a 337 00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:23.400 great film to share with people. I think it'll be the best film ever 338 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:27.720 done on the topic because it's going to be very deep. But in the 339 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:33.519 end, you're financing forensic tests, you know, And that's what I'd love 340 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:36.680 to get across today to people. Now, can you tease us with any 341 00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:38.799 of the kinds of tests that will be done with this kind of funding? 342 00:22:38.839 --> 00:22:41.839 Oh, I could do more than that. I could bore you to death. 343 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:45.359 Please do. That's why we're here. We bore our our listeners to 344 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:48.440 death every week. That's what we do. That's why they keep coming back 345 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:52.440 from more. Okay, so let's just take Let's just take sounds, you 346 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:56.519 know, the unknown sounds, and they are unknown, but there's eight thousand, 347 00:22:56.640 --> 00:23:02.640 five hundred of them documented and recorded, right but many of them, 348 00:23:02.720 --> 00:23:06.839 the ones that have been proved authentic, there's a math. There's a math 349 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:11.119 issue in the sound, in the form and structure, and this math is 350 00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:17.200 consistent and most people don't know that. Well, that's just one category. 351 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:19.079 We're going to get to the people. We're going to do it on a 352 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:25.359 level and where everybody's going to leave as an expert on the difference between So 353 00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:30.000 you'll be able to debunk if you just download the free software and you can 354 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:33.880 debunk things on your own. For instance, me in Blaine debunked some sounds 355 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:38.880 that he thought were authentic. I didn't, and we went and did it, 356 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:44.920 and sure enough, the math showed they were fake. Because the real 357 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:49.480 unknown sounds have something very uncommon and it's all can be figured out with math, 358 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:53.640 you know, missing numbers as an example. I don't want to get 359 00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:57.279 into too many details in each one of these things. Is this math that 360 00:23:57.359 --> 00:24:00.319 going to be accessible to everybody or is it something that like you're gonna need 361 00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:03.799 to hire a degree in mathematics. No, no, no, sixth grade 362 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:08.240 level, Cliff, totally sixth grade level. And we'll use the animation and 363 00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:15.079 everything so we can get people's light bulbs to go off, including scientists that 364 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:18.759 will be able to challenge them to go. Oh, they'll go, this 365 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:22.039 is simple. I'm gonna go check this out myself, right, and they'll 366 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:29.839 be blown away because you can you can hire um any kind of voice impressionists 367 00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:33.000 that you want. He will not be able to duplicate anything with his voice 368 00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:37.279 that has the same math. No matter what he does, he won't be 369 00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:41.039 able to do it. He won't all to hire anybody to do it. 370 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:42.640 Now, when you say math, are you talking about like wavelengths or is 371 00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:48.480 there something more too? I'm talking about simple numbers, simple numbers, And 372 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:55.200 once again I do I don't want to get into every detail of each category. 373 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:57.599 But we're going to be going deep into communication, into what we think 374 00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:03.799 we know to in for communication, possible language. But what we're really going 375 00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:08.559 to dive into. Is one thing that people talk about constantly, I mean 376 00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:14.839 everybody does, is the infrasound. You know, that's kind of become legendary. 377 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:19.440 You know, I felt fear suddenly I had to leave the area. 378 00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:25.400 People call it getting zapped on and on. We're gonna go really deep. 379 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:30.960 And here's why. Because we have a human and we have primates that can 380 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:36.000 create infrasounds. So we're going to be not only testing because we have this 381 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:41.039 human that can get down below infrasound, way below infrasound. We're gonna be 382 00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:47.640 testing how far it can travel. We're gonna be testing actually putting camera systems 383 00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:53.200 up through his sinus cavity and into his vocal area so we can film how 384 00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:59.839 he's making the infrasound. We're going to be testing the effects on people. 385 00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:03.720 Um. We're going to be you know, going into the mimicking. You 386 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:08.680 know, the mimicking people talk about, um, and just on and on 387 00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:12.480 and on. You know. So there's just some sounds. You know, 388 00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:18.359 we have like nine chapters. The sounds is one entire chapter. Well it's 389 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:22.519 one chapter, but it'll have subtitles and evidence and so yeah, yeah, 390 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:25.319 sure, sure, but you have nine different topics to cover, and sounds 391 00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:26.839 is just one of sounds. Yeah, and just sounds. So we have 392 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:33.599 eighteen there'll be eighteen main chapters in Legimide Science Wow. And you know, 393 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:37.680 we don't even know how long the film will be. I'm estimating two and 394 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:41.519 a half to three hours, but if it goes to four, I'll be 395 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:45.279 fine with that because I added pretty tight. I know it won't be boring 396 00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:47.960 if I get it to four. You know, if it's four hours and 397 00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:49.359 I chop it down, I still know it's gonna move, you know, 398 00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:53.759 because it's my added style. It's not gonna be boring. I'm not gonna 399 00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:56.960 I'm not gonna let sound bites run on and on and on and borried to 400 00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:00.880 death. Here's the human that did the infrasoundware. Oh, it's gonna be 401 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:07.640 Tim Storms. Jim Storms has the documented lowest voice in the world. He's 402 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:12.279 the only human that I know of that I've certainly i've access to that can 403 00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:18.359 get his voice down to three hurts, well below infertsound, which is at 404 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:21.440 twenty hurts. Is he like a famous singer or something like? Yes, 405 00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:26.720 Yeah, he's actually performed even in Branson, Missouri. He's had light fixtures 406 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:32.759 come out of the ceiling when he's performing because of the inversound. He's had 407 00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:36.359 a lot of weird things happen. And I did an untold radio We did 408 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:40.960 interview Tim if anybody wants to find that and they can actually hear him sing 409 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:45.519 and get down into the invertsound range, even though of course the mics won't 410 00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:48.960 pick that up. Yeah, you can't hear it, but you can hear 411 00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:55.839 see infort sounds really interesting because part of it can be above twenty hurts and 412 00:27:55.920 --> 00:28:00.079 you can hear that, so it can have a range. Yeah, So 413 00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:04.519 that's what's interesting about infortsound. So the viewer will be able to hear the 414 00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:10.279 above twenty hurts part. They'll be able to see though with equipment we'll have 415 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:15.720 on the invisible part of his infratsound, like you know, we'll literally we'll 416 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:21.720 just keep will be moving out, you know, at a quarter mile, 417 00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:26.799 a mile and on and on and on until we can't pick up his infortsound 418 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.599 anymore. Is he physically a big guy, Yeah, he's a big guy. 419 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:33.720 Yep. You know, it's the most interesting part of the whole thing. 420 00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:37.079 I said to the guy go to Tim, why are you willing to 421 00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:40.319 have an e n T run a camera up? You're in your up, 422 00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:44.680 your nostril, in your through your sinus cavities. It's very uncomfortable. I 423 00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.319 let him do it to me. It's extremely uncomfortable. I mean it's pretty 424 00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:55.000 painful actually, and then down into your windpipe and he goes because I had 425 00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:59.599 a big foot sighting. Oh and I'm like, oh my god, are 426 00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:03.599 you he? Niver told me that before. Is he going to get into 427 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:07.480 that jure? Of course, yeah, of course. But he's highly mighty 428 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:10.799 and not only had a big food side, he had a really good one 429 00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:17.160 from a train trestle where him and his friend were watching it catch fish down 430 00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:21.839 will directly below them, so they had a bird's eye view of the sightings 431 00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:26.799 where it was it Oklahoma, Oklahoma. Well, how they observe it? 432 00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:30.920 Like a long time? Um, fifteen to twenty minutes. When I remember 433 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:33.960 his story, that's a long time. Yeah, especially when it's out in 434 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:38.240 the open it's unobstructed. You know. I love train sidings. We got 435 00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:41.799 a group of engineers that comes in the museum every once in a while. 436 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.680 He does the road. They run the tracks over by the eighty four, 437 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:48.000 and um, they're a handful of them. Did I run across the handle 438 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:51.039 because they get a beer at the pizza place across the way, or they 439 00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:52.559 come in and say hid at the museum. And I think of the three 440 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.599 or four, like two of them have seen sasquatches from the train. And 441 00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:59.359 it's always in the Eagle Creek area over there, you know, which is 442 00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:02.319 where the fires started on the eighty four, where the Columbia River gorge. 443 00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:06.839 But generally within two or three miles they've seen a sasquatch between all of them, 444 00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:08.480 like two or three times. And it's one zone there. So you 445 00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:11.279 guys are listening, there's a shout out for you train conductors, you know 446 00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:15.559 who you are. Yeah, And animals take the path of leaves to resistance. 447 00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:19.519 Why wouldn't they use a railway because they're usually forested, you know, 448 00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:25.759 there's forest on both sides because they bought up so much land. But it's 449 00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:30.200 such a great, you know, a great low calorie walk. They can 450 00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:33.680 get a long ways and don't have to walk through the brush. Well, 451 00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:37.359 and also it's strategic and moneymaker pointed this out to me that those long straightaways 452 00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:41.839 they can just sit on the side, and I hunker down and hides urn 453 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.359 and watch and if they see a herd of deer crossing half a mile away, 454 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:49.079 they can start following it. It's an edge, yep, absolute edge. 455 00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:52.559 And also those are one of the few places, just like roadsides and 456 00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.279 meadows, one of the few places in the forest that the sunlight reaches the 457 00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.359 forest floor, which causes highly nutrition plants to come up, you know, 458 00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:04.160 much more nutritious and under the forest canopy. So yeah, that's absolutely true. 459 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:08.559 Plants that get the right amount of sun are going to be hind protein 460 00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:12.839 content, which brings us to you know, one of our categories, and 461 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:17.599 that is you know, for years, I've suspected black bears can see an 462 00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:22.720 UV vision because they'll be feeding and whether they're feeding on catkins or grass or 463 00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:27.839 whatever. Why do they always turn their nose up at this plant but they 464 00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:32.599 devour this one next to it. Well, it's because they can see the 465 00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:37.640 protein content they don't want to through their probably UV vision. Well, it's 466 00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:42.160 pretty well been proven how black bears can see an UV, which is really 467 00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:48.200 just a filter that's removed. You know, we could see an e Actually 468 00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.279 they can do it. I think they've done a number of humans where they 469 00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:56.000 can remove this filter and then human can see an UV. They can make 470 00:31:56.079 --> 00:32:00.759 any camera see in UV by just removing a certain filter. Um. So 471 00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:04.960 it's not really some great thing they have, it's something they don't have, 472 00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:12.559 you know, Caribou they've proven, They've now proven numerous other mammals can see 473 00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:16.200 an UV vision. I suspect that blakefoots can because they would allow them to 474 00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:22.240 see yurine, you know, urine of like mice for instance, or tones, 475 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:25.440 all sorts of small game. It would allow them an even big game. 476 00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:32.200 But um, you'll be happy to know I've started a podcast with Barnaby 477 00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:37.640 Jones called Monsters on the Edge, which is literally about what Matt had mentioned 478 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:44.599 about. You know, these these edges. I really think they utilize them. 479 00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:47.039 Oh sure, you know that that topic of the UV light being seen 480 00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:53.480 kind of dovetails nicely into that hair peculiarity that you shared with us last time. 481 00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:59.559 Um. And and animals that are known now to actually glow under UV 482 00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:01.759 light. It's like platypus and some other new things. Oh yeah, but 483 00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:07.640 they found all that flying squirrels in North America glow. Yeah, which I 484 00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:13.640 was really that really dovetailed perfect into a theory I had, which is just 485 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:16.279 one of these diarrhea theories, you know, it's kind of inferred. But 486 00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:21.599 one night I probably told this story before, But one night I was out 487 00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:27.599 filming with a new technology called an IR camera, right for I was going 488 00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:30.680 to use it for a show I did in the nineties called The Man that 489 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:36.960 Walks with Bears. Discovery had never seen IR ever, and so they flew 490 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:40.119 an executive out to see this. I our camera and what it could do 491 00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:45.160 and you know, the footage to allow me to put it in this Animal 492 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:49.480 Planet documentary. Well, I was out testing it to get footage for them 493 00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:52.720 to look at, and I was just I was out there with my buddy 494 00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:55.119 and I'm just talking to them real nice and soft, and all of a 495 00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:59.200 sudden, I had a flying squirrel land on me, and then another one 496 00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:01.559 and another one, and it just kept landing. I was covered with them 497 00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:05.759 and they were scurrying all over my body, and I'm like, this is 498 00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:09.239 weird. What is the reason for this. You must have nerves of steel. 499 00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:14.840 By the way, No, a couple of rodents land on me, 500 00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:16.719 I'm gonna be shrieking. Oh yeah, what is pitch black. Yeah, 501 00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:21.960 that's true. I was pitch black and I mean pitchers. Oh yeah, 502 00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:23.639 that's right, that's right. I was a school teacher though, so I'm 503 00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:28.599 covered with these damned things and I'm thinking, oh, this is really interesting. 504 00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:30.639 It just bothered me for years and years and years. I would start 505 00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:36.000 talking and they wouldn't leave. So as I started to be quiet, and 506 00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:39.679 they would leave. So as I started talking mumbling didn't matter. They would 507 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:43.880 just start landing on me again. But when I was quiet, they would 508 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:46.239 leave out of fear. Um. I just thought it was weird. Bothered 509 00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:50.719 me forever. And then I started, you know, working on this UV 510 00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:54.440 vision finding out, oh, flying squirrels seeing a UV. Then it when 511 00:34:54.480 --> 00:35:00.400 it really connected some dots maybe, and that is why I find out their 512 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:06.480 favorite food is wood ticks. The flying squirrels. Yes, now, how 513 00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:08.360 would a bigfoot rid himself with wood ticks? You know how bad they are 514 00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:12.880 in the spring in Minnesota As an example, I mean, you're you get 515 00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:17.440 hundreds of them on you within minutes. What it create symbiotic relationship And we're 516 00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:22.280 going to explore explore, you know, I use the word loosely, explore 517 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:30.280 these symbiotic relationships with you know, possible bigfoots and ravens, coyotes and wolves, 518 00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:32.599 and you know what would they do. Um. I'm really into the 519 00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:37.079 symbiotics stuff because there's a lot more of that goes on, you know, 520 00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:40.599 in the forest than we never think about. But I just thought, Oh, 521 00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:49.239 I wonder if flying squirrels the land on bigfoots crawl all over them and 522 00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:52.719 just look for woodticks. What a great thing, right, it's harmless to 523 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:57.000 the bigfoot. The flying quarrel leaves with a full belly and they clean all 524 00:35:57.039 --> 00:36:00.039 the things. I mean, I just can't picture them. A big male 525 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:04.559 that's maybe solitary. What how was he going to get all these woodticks off 526 00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:07.800 them? They're going to bury in the fur walliflying squirrel does a probably would 527 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:12.400 do a really fine job getting all those woodticks off. Yeah, kind of 528 00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.079 like the cleaner shrimp, you know, yeah, the cleaner shrimp exactly. 529 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:22.239 And so I want to get information that also is very gray that does fit 530 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:29.960 in dovetail two people because it gives them things to um think about trying it. 531 00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:32.599 Maybe one of these things that leads to a discovery, you know. 532 00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:37.880 So we'll have some gray a few gray area of things that we're going to 533 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:42.760 explore because they're very interesting. At the very least, they're going to very 534 00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:47.159 They're going to um get kids interested in the topic, and they may end 535 00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:52.199 up being true someday. We may not find out for fifty more years. 536 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.039 But you know, um, when something makes so much sense to me, 537 00:36:55.079 --> 00:37:00.800 and I've experienced it myself, I can't ignore that because these things were probably 538 00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:04.840 looking for woodticks on me. That's why they were there. They were being 539 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.039 other There would be no other reason. Cliff, Yeah, that's an odd 540 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:09.719 one. I can't imagine what else they would be doing. Landing because it 541 00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:15.679 really putting themselves in danger to some degree. Landing on some larger animal. 542 00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:19.440 That's not a wise thing to do. Yeah, exactly. Maybe they land 543 00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:23.960 on coyotes, Maybe they land on wolves in the dark. We don't know, 544 00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:30.559 but there's not been one biologist I haven't talked to them, didn't go, 545 00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:37.559 wow, you might be right on this, you know. And it's 546 00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:43.639 it's when things really feel really good to me, I'm very willing to then 547 00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:46.960 try them publicly or put that information all like I did with the giant squid. 548 00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:52.159 Well that's how we got the footage that was just a dovetail bunch of 549 00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:57.960 you know, theories that just made so much sense to me because I experienced 550 00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:01.159 other animals getting out of their niche and suspecting, you know, there was 551 00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:07.159 giant squid down deep that never traveled up the water column. Well, why 552 00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:10.360 don't I send down some smaller ones that dukes travel up and down the water 553 00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:15.239 column to see if its would be attacked? You know that they would stay 554 00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:20.280 as cannibals and they would just not breed and just get huge. Were the 555 00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:23.000 ones that travel up and down the water callum die at a very young age. 556 00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:27.920 You know. They breathe and they're very social, you know, and 557 00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.679 sometimes when I get these things, I have to go with them. But 558 00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:34.599 that'll be one of the symbiotic things. And I'm sure you guys are both 559 00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:42.119 suspected that ravens have some type of relationship or burdens because even if even if 560 00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:47.400 they don't agree to this relationship, if Bigfoot see a bunch of vultured circling, 561 00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:52.400 or of ravens being noisy, automatically they're going to go check it out, 562 00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:58.920 right because there's maybe carrying or injured deer there. So these things happen 563 00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:02.960 naturally, you know, I'm not seeing the bigfoots having and do with the 564 00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:08.480 flying squirrels, but I just think that there's something to it. And the 565 00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:13.000 fact they glow was kind of that kind of pushed me over the edge, 566 00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:15.800 you know, and I went, oh, this is really interesting, you 567 00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:20.320 know, yeah, super weird, super interesting, like why would anything glow? 568 00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:22.519 And you know, nature doesn't do much on accident, you know, 569 00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:27.880 there's usually I'm almost always a reason for it that has to do with their 570 00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:31.239 behavior or physiology or something. Yep. And then we're you know, we're 571 00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:37.880 gonna have field efforts. Besides all these forensic tests we'll talk about, there's 572 00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:43.360 a lot of field efforts that have never been tried. Just one is a 573 00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:49.239 Sony A seven a camera is you know, it's got the is ISO of 574 00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:54.559 five hundred forty thousand, and you can see in total darkness in color and 575 00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:59.079 you can put a real nice zoom lens. A couple that with a four 576 00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:05.719 hundred millimeters zoonland you've now got a weapon weapon because it's you know, thermal 577 00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:12.239 cameras great and it does get evidence, but is it evidence that a scientist 578 00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.519 is going to get nuts on? Maybe not, you know, but you 579 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:22.840 present close up footage like surveillance footage from you know, eighth of a mile 580 00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:27.079 away that's now a color of a big foot walk in the beach and you 581 00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:30.840 can zoom in on it. That might do something So that we're gonna have 582 00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:36.159 a you know, a section on mirrorless cameras and seen it in the dark, 583 00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:39.960 microcams, robot cams. We're gonna put a coyote. We're gonna put 584 00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:44.519 a camera on a coyote that I'll have a drop off caller made out of 585 00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:49.760 cardboard. I told Stacy Brown about this and he put one on a hog. 586 00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:55.599 And it's a great thing that can be done by research scientists. If 587 00:40:55.639 --> 00:41:00.679 nothing else, we might learn something about coyotes. Maybe we'll see full squirrels 588 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:05.239 land on them eating what dicks you know, We don't know, but we'll 589 00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:09.559 learn something. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 590 00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:20.039 Will be right back after these messages now. I think one of the standout 591 00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.480 items I guess in the legendet Science one was the footage you had the Patterson 592 00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:28.360 Gimblin footage. Of course you had the Freeman footage, had the Memorial Day 593 00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:30.800 stuff in there. Do you have access to any footage you're gonna be featuring 594 00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:35.440 in the second one. Yes, we are going to put footage in the 595 00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:39.199 second one, and it's only going to be stuff that I There's there's one 596 00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:44.960 piece of footage that's very, very amazing. I really can't talk about it 597 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:52.639 because of legal reason yet, but I'm taking a very well known piece of 598 00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:57.280 footage and I will be debunking it because I've already debunked it, already got 599 00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:02.559 ahold of the factual film, blew it up. Change the contrast on it. 600 00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:07.880 Is this the pant leg one with the shoe? No? Yeah, 601 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.039 they you know. One of the things that Moneymakers said that's always struck stuck 602 00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:15.159 with me, and it seems like I'm a very pro Moneymaker episode here because 603 00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:19.639 something else that Matt said that resonates true. He's a mad genius, but 604 00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:24.079 he's a genius. One of the things he said that resonated very well with 605 00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:28.360 me is that in order to be an expert in real big foot footage, 606 00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:30.519 you have to be an expert in fake big foot footage. And of course 607 00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:34.519 that applies to footprint tracks and everything else. So I've really taken that to 608 00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.800 heart and started studying fake well for me, it was fake footprints. But 609 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.599 I started way too late. I should have started long before I did, 610 00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:44.239 and I had my reasons or whatever. But that's a different story. But 611 00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:47.840 so I think it does dovetail if you if you debunk footage, it teaches 612 00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:52.239 you what to look for for real footage. Yeah. Absolutely, And there's 613 00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:57.679 still so much you can learn from real footage. You're gonna learn anything from 614 00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:00.480 big footage, except you're gonna debunk it very quickly. The deeper you go 615 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:05.239 into it, the more you're going to realize absolutely it's fake, just like 616 00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:09.480 the story I just told you off you know, off Mike. But it's 617 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:15.719 also going to be able to allow us to apply some new technology to the 618 00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:20.760 Patterson footage. There's some really cool categories we're going to get into that have 619 00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:25.519 not really been done on the Patterson. The Patterson footage is still far more 620 00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:30.159 to tell us. It really does. There's a lot more that can be 621 00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:35.920 studied. Yeah, it's a little bit more complex. Like the walk, 622 00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:40.199 it's not what you see on the surface. It's more like a Peruvian horse 623 00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:45.920 as an example, And we're going to prove that the Patterson footage walks like 624 00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:52.320 a gaited horse. Yeah, the first documentary, we had very little bit 625 00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:55.079 of it, but we didn't get deep into it because I did that for 626 00:43:55.119 --> 00:44:01.400 a Discovery channel. Yet I only had fifty minutes. Yea, So now 627 00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:06.280 I don't have those confines. Although I'm not going to make it boring, 628 00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:10.239 but it allows me to put go much deeper onto a topic. You know, 629 00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:13.119 if they don't like it, they can speed it up. Right, 630 00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:16.960 while streaming services have a fast forward button. If you're not interested in that, 631 00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:21.519 go ahead and get the fast forward button. But we're going to go 632 00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:27.519 deep into that. I really feel I can prove. And how it's walking 633 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.519 like a Peruvian horse, Well, how do a Peruvian horses walk? I 634 00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:34.559 don't. I don't know anything about that. Well, if you go online 635 00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:39.400 and you look at a Peruvian horse, their legs flop outwards and inwards and 636 00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:44.920 they have a kind of a swimming action. Well, this allows them to 637 00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:50.760 one walk very smooth. And remember I said these are naturally gaited horses. 638 00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:54.760 These horses are born with this gate. It allows them to climb mountains, 639 00:44:55.480 --> 00:45:00.320 right what a big foots do the climb hills. It allows them to be 640 00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:04.639 very smooth. And what is one thing that is reported very often, you 641 00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:08.119 know, and consistent through through all the years. They seem to have a 642 00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:15.159 very smooth gait. The head does not bob much, you know, And 643 00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:19.440 that's one thing that we're going to go deep why what is the reason is? 644 00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.760 Why why are they adapted this way? And we're going to do it 645 00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.280 so then finally they can really see it in a smooth way. Yes, 646 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:30.039 we did do some animation, but it was very crude animation, be just 647 00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:34.400 due to you know, the technology back down. I mean that was twenty 648 00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:37.239 three years ago, right, yeah, it's another as another world back then. 649 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:39.800 So now we're going to be able to do a much better job, 650 00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:44.119 and we're going to be able to line it up better, and we're going 651 00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:46.079 to really hopefully get everybody's light ball to go off. This is not a 652 00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:51.320 guy in a suit not to mention the i AM index. And there's just 653 00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:55.599 so many things. The other thing that's interesting, um, why was the 654 00:45:55.719 --> 00:46:00.960 Patterson footage out in the open? Why was it cotton? The opow I 655 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:06.159 didn't just bolt into the forest, you know, or these trees eiden it. 656 00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:10.599 Why did the Patterson footage or the Freeman footage, why was that one 657 00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:15.159 captured out in the open? Why was the more oil day out in the 658 00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:17.519 open? Why didn't it just stick to the forest it was trying to hide? 659 00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:22.599 Well, there could be this is the film will explore those, you 660 00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:25.599 know, and of course you know we I tend to think it's because of 661 00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:31.039 an infant. You know, they're literally trying to possibly direct one away. 662 00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:36.400 And we'll offer some evidence to that. These are the gray areas the legimide 663 00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:40.360 science. And there'll be many things that will be black and white, solid 664 00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:45.440 conclusions, many many solid conclusions. But I do want to explore some of 665 00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:51.920 the gray areas, that the inferred areas that we can offer evidence, but 666 00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.440 it won't be definitive, you know, just be things to get people to 667 00:46:55.599 --> 00:47:01.760 think. Things that are interesting, um, things that may end of turning 668 00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:07.960 out to be true in the future, but things that are inferred enough through 669 00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:13.400 footage and evidence that may be true that maybe the only time they're seen now 670 00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.360 completely in the open, because obviously they're making that choice. You know, 671 00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:22.559 they have a brain. Maybe they're doing the pull and the kill deer, 672 00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:27.000 you know, the misdirect right, And I don't know how you guys feel 673 00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:30.519 about that. Usually people have some strong opinions. Yeah, there's no babies 674 00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:35.760 shown in the Patterson footage. But the fact and led those guys away in 675 00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:39.719 an open area versus just hidden into the forest has bugged me forever. I 676 00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:43.480 don't know if predators do that, they're like, oh, dear, even 677 00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:45.039 do it? Yeah, I know, I know they do it. But 678 00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:50.199 I guess jackals will do that. But it seems like a big foot that 679 00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:52.880 they're so now I think I think they're more like bears. They would just 680 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:59.119 stand they if they couldn't get away at the offspring quickly or safely, I 681 00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:01.159 think they'd stand the ground. I mean, that's just my impression. Who 682 00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:07.039 knows, but um, you know, we don't know. That's that's what's 683 00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:09.320 interesting. There's plenty of evidence that says the otherwise. Well, I mean, 684 00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:13.880 I mean, if there's a young these are just a few females, 685 00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:17.679 and maybe it happens to be where is the young one? I've been actually 686 00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:22.000 left with bear cubs. Buy a wild bear, the baby sit their cubs, 687 00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:28.159 right. But if that bear would have been approached by um, let's 688 00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:31.480 say a couple of hundreds that busting that bear out of the woods, would 689 00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:37.320 that bear of led those hunters away from its cubs, or would it have 690 00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:39.559 ran to the cubs. We don't know that. You know, there's a 691 00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:44.719 lot we don't even know about black bears. I know in that case, 692 00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:49.039 when when the cubs started whining a little bit, that bear came back at 693 00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.679 me and just likes everything. Okay here, you know, I thought I 694 00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:55.280 was going to get killed. But you know, we don't really know. 695 00:48:55.519 --> 00:49:00.840 Animals behave a lot of different ways. Then we're going to at least throw 696 00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:05.760 some of these inferred theories out there. People can do with them what they 697 00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:09.320 want, But the foundation of legimide science really will be things like you know, 698 00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:17.239 um, you know, forensic DNA from skin samples, m skin cells. 699 00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:23.239 I mean, the breakdown of what's in the skin sebum, which we 700 00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:28.039 really don't even know whether it came from a big foot because we didn't see 701 00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.079 the big foot leave the skin sebum. You know, I still have those 702 00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:34.079 samples in my freezer. Now you know we're going to get those. Yeah, 703 00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:38.800 But we do have the face print. We can forensically reanimate the face 704 00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:45.559 print bringing into a three D. We have other evidence in that skin print 705 00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:50.360 which has been preserved that can be examined. We have DNA that can be 706 00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:53.119 probably gotten out of the sebum. You know, it'll be sloughed off skin 707 00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:58.920 cells that we can get nuclear DNA out of. And then another and very 708 00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:06.000 important factor is the chemical compounds that are in that skin oil. Because chimps, 709 00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:14.679 orangutangs, bnobos, gorillas all have a different chemical compound, different amounts 710 00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:20.039 of trigulucerides, so have cholesterols, some don't, but they all have their 711 00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:24.239 own examples, like DNA fingerprint on what's in their skin oil for instance. 712 00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:30.679 You know, humans are very different than gorillas, chimps too, our orangutans, 713 00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:32.920 yet we're all kind of in that same family of you know, we're 714 00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:39.920 all primates. So I'm hoping that we can actually present the actual fingerprint of 715 00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:46.920 a big foot skin oil because I've gotten many samples and we can compare them. 716 00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:51.639 The other primates have already been done, so it may not match. 717 00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:54.840 If we can do three different samples and they don't match any of the other 718 00:50:54.920 --> 00:51:00.280 primates, We're really going to have a bell ringing ceremony because it's not going 719 00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:05.559 to prove anything, but it's going to allow once again people that now try 720 00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:08.360 to collect this in the future, and it's definitely going to raise the boat. 721 00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:12.760 How hard is it for them to, like Kennethy, break that down 722 00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:15.199 analyze That shouldn't be that difficult, right, It shouldn't be because they've done 723 00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:21.239 it with the other primates. Right, So they've already analyzed humans oraon tangs 724 00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:24.519 chimps. That's already done. So most of the work's already been done. 725 00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:29.440 If that hadn't been done, I really have my hands wull. But all 726 00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:30.880 we have to do is just do the one you know, the one type 727 00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:35.840 of samples, and all we have to do is compare it to the data 728 00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:38.679 that's already done. So no, no, the answer is no, it 729 00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:44.119 won't be hard. Will it be costly, Yeah, it's gonna cost. 730 00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:49.440 It's gonna cost more than we've already raised just for that one test probably. 731 00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:54.599 Well, like most of these tests range about five thousand dollars per sample, 732 00:51:55.440 --> 00:52:00.599 so they're not cheap. Do you have really three good solid samples? Oh 733 00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:04.000 god, yes, Oh yeah, I've got enough to easily spend twenty grand 734 00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:07.360 on just just skin oil. Also, I haven't really interested in seeing that, 735 00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:12.480 yeah, and I think most people are. But it's going to take 736 00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:15.840 money, you know, And that's why we're trying to raise the eighty thousand 737 00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:22.599 dollars, which will you know, it'll allow us to do things like breakdowns 738 00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:28.719 of GIS data. You know, based on got almost ten thousand sightings that 739 00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:35.199 we've got, these things being analyzed in England. We've got like Scott Thompson 740 00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:38.480 of the Bigfoot Mapping project. These are all things that we're going to be 741 00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:46.119 able to do things within the stock. We've got things like inferred things we're 742 00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:51.400 going to explore, like superabilities. You know, like Cliff, you always 743 00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:55.280 talk about their great strength. That's just super that's a superability. Absolutely that 744 00:52:55.400 --> 00:53:00.599 needs to be looked at. Their size is a superability. Maybe their social 745 00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:07.880 makeup is a superability because it maybe I don'tlike anything we've we've come across leaping, 746 00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:12.800 um going. You know, maybe they can go quick from you know, 747 00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:16.599 being a quadruped to a biped really quick. Rock throwing is a superability. 748 00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:21.360 I don't know if any other hunters that can do that. You know, 749 00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:25.440 wolves don't throw rocks, Bears don't. But we once again have enough 750 00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:30.519 inferred evidence that we know it's a you know, if I was a betting 751 00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:35.119 guy, I would probably bet they throw rocks. Right. I may be 752 00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:38.079 wrong, but I'm probably going to hedge, My bets Well, Derek Randall 753 00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:40.039 seen them do it. I've talked to other people have seen him do it. 754 00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:43.679 Yeah, right, there have been some people that have seen it. 755 00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:46.079 Um. There may even be a couple of pieces of footage, you know 756 00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:51.599 that. I'm on the fence on where they throw rocks. Um, their 757 00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:57.719 speed, their gait, um can all be superabilities. Their their vision maybe 758 00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:02.679 a superability possible, belie. Even the stuff they eat could be a superability. 759 00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:08.280 Their diet might be more varied than any other omnivore. You know, 760 00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:14.800 we just we don't know these things. I think they're hearing as a very 761 00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:19.199 fertile field to plow there, because what I know about the other great apes 762 00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:21.679 is that they largely depend on hearing. They keep track of one another as 763 00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:23.760 the troop moves through the jungle because they can't see each other. I think 764 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:29.239 I think a large portion of what they do is based on their hearing. 765 00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:31.719 I think that's how they observe you in camp. Because you know, I've 766 00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:35.199 been out with big footers like they're watching us right now, and it's like, 767 00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:37.639 I don't think so the un if they're in neighborhood, I don't think 768 00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:40.119 they're necessarily looking at us. I think that they keep track of us by 769 00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:45.360 listening to what we're doing, you know, and interpreting that. And I 770 00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:50.320 think that's how they think. Because one of the other commonalities of places that 771 00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:54.440 I'm confident had sasquatches, either because they're footprints there or sounds or whatever somebody 772 00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:59.199 saw one as. One of these commonalities that I find again and again is 773 00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:05.360 that the places are are very very quiet, you know, like extraordinarily quiet. 774 00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:07.960 Um. And then I think that that they're drawn to places like that 775 00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:12.239 because it gives them an advantage, which is, you know, um, 776 00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:15.679 an area that we're gonna go very deep in that whole sound. You know, 777 00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:22.199 they're the wood knocking. I mean, my sound son recorded some amazing 778 00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:27.639 interactions of what had to be more than one big food communicating with you know, 779 00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:32.199 lightwood knocks, um or mouthpops whatever they're doing. But we'll also be 780 00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:37.519 exploring that what does the makeup of their mouth? Well, how can we 781 00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:40.880 explain this? You know, we'll be showing animation, um, how can 782 00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:45.199 they make this sound? I'll be seeking out people who can do it, 783 00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:50.519 can make a wood knock sound a perfect wood knock, not that I already 784 00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:54.880 haven't found them, but we're gonna we're gonna show this stuff. We're gonna 785 00:55:54.920 --> 00:56:00.320 really try to wake people up on many topics. I saw some documentary of 786 00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:06.239 dealing with some jungle people. If can't remembers Asia, South America, but 787 00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:09.320 they were doing the loudest Yeah, it was just pop. Like I was 788 00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:14.119 like, damn that was that was loud. Well, yeah, if you 789 00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:16.519 have nothing else to do but practice that, and you have a resonator box, 790 00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:19.679 you know, which is basically what their head and mouth is. The 791 00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:22.840 size of theirs, imagine the sounds you can make with that little or of 792 00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:27.159 course, my fan favorite sort of a theory is them clapping, since there's 793 00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:30.400 that's well documented in the other ape species that like you've seen how big their 794 00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:34.880 hands are based on the handcass and most of it is palm because of the 795 00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:37.599 webbing, and their fingers goes up further than ours, so it makes their 796 00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:40.360 fingers look stubbier than ours. It was probably similar length, you know, 797 00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:43.920 but that the webbing of the cellf you know, no, no, don't 798 00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:45.719 picture like frog webbing. That's not what I mean. But like the skin 799 00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:50.239 goes up further in between their fingers, giving their fingers a shorter appearance, 800 00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:52.519 which means that it extends their palm. Well, god, I used to 801 00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:57.760 hang out with these Brazilian dudes, Brazilian people actually, the men and women, 802 00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:01.000 because my ex wife Monica was in the Capuetta, this Brazilian martial art, 803 00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:04.880 and so the Brazilian cultural in general, from my take, seems to 804 00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:07.840 be very musically oriented. You know, if there's a there's a song on 805 00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:10.440 the radio, they're singing or dancing or clapping along with it or buying large 806 00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:15.920 you know, there's a very musically expressive people from my experience, and also 807 00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:19.840 Kapuistas it's a very musical art as well. So that's probably you know, 808 00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:22.559 my data is probably slanted that way. But these people, these people like 809 00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:29.159 show me how they clap, like the Brazilians. They can clap so so 810 00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:32.159 loud, and they have human hands because they're humans, right, But a 811 00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:38.000 sasquatch who had some time in practice um clapping with a palm that's seven to 812 00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:44.639 twelve inches across with their strength would just be an astonishingly loud sound. And 813 00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:47.280 it's documented and that there was that study in Rwanda with those gorillas that were 814 00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:52.079 clapping and whatnot. I think that's a slam dunk that at least some of 815 00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:55.400 the time they're clapping. Well, where this doc will go? Is um 816 00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:59.519 a sound bite from you clap because you're gonna be in the film, Babbo, 817 00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:02.679 you're gonna be in the film. Yes, and you know, take 818 00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:08.360 from that sound bite. Suddenly, now we're filming them in South America and 819 00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:13.960 showing this exact thing. Yeah, and all of them are topics worthy of 820 00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:17.320 exploration because even if they don't turn up, even if they don't turn up 821 00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:22.960 to be something, they're probably going to lead somewhere else that is of interest. 822 00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:28.320 Very few intelligent questions that are asked are dead ends. They always lead 823 00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:30.719 somewhere else, or at least they tell you, Okay, this was actually 824 00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:34.639 a brick wall here, and but you know, there's this other place you 825 00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:37.360 can go based on this. And I think that's so interesting that when you 826 00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:42.199 start asking intelligent questions, the path opens up in front of you where you 827 00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:45.079 should be looking. Yeah, no, no, exactly. You know. 828 00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:47.480 One of the things that caught my eye about your Kickstarter project is that you 829 00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:52.000 are going to be pairing it up with the sequel to Doctor Meldrum's book Sasquatch 830 00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:57.000 Legimide Science. So Jeff's committed to be on board with this and get a 831 00:58:57.119 --> 00:59:00.880 second book published. Yes, so be Legimide Science. It's two book, 832 00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:07.800 which will also incorporate um Um Immersive Book Technology IBT. So it's gonna have 833 00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:15.320 videos and soundclips, animations in the book. So this book's going to blow 834 00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:20.360 away the last book that blew away everything before it. Yeah, because we 835 00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:23.079 had Michael Freeman on he published his book and he was he went through all 836 00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:27.079 that like how cool that is? All the things you've come up with. 837 00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:30.559 Yeah, I mean, like THEO, the Michael Freeman book about his father, 838 00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:37.000 it's full of like you know, it's Paul's whole diaries, audio diaries 839 00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:40.719 in there in different chapters, and you know there's video in there. There's 840 00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:46.760 the footage his dad captured, enhanced footage what we think is the baby lift 841 00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:52.880 in the in the book. But Legimide Science two book will have all of 842 00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:54.760 the science that was in one, but it's going to go to a new 843 00:59:54.880 --> 01:00:00.519 level and it's going to explore new theories. And Jeff's very ex it about 844 01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:06.400 it. And what I love about Jeff is his enthusiasm for this is immense 845 01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:09.079 plus he said, Doug, this is perfect timing for me right now. 846 01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:13.519 I know he's been working on a second book for years, literally years, 847 01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:15.320 you know, because he's a very busy guy, and you know, you 848 01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:17.519 just can't devote an entire year to writing a book like with his schedule like 849 01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:22.199 it is. So it's so nice that everything is just coming together, you 850 01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:23.320 know, like a plan on the A team. You know, it's it's 851 01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:28.159 just when a plan comes together. So everything seems to be lining up as 852 01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:31.000 a perfect storm here for a release. Well, it's really cool. Is 853 01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:37.039 I get to I didn't publish his last book, but my neighbor worked with 854 01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:40.599 him on getting the book published and found a you know, a big book 855 01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:45.639 publisher. But I get to publish the book because I don't Hanger one publishing. 856 01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:51.639 So it's gonna be I'm gonna put so much work into this book too, 857 01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:54.480 as I have a personal stake into it because it's based on the dock. 858 01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:59.880 Um it's going to parallel on the dock or deeper, even deeper than 859 01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:04.039 the dock in and so it's going to be an amazing partnership. But I'm 860 01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:07.760 really really super excited about it. So the kickstarter is live, right now. 861 01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:10.199 I mean, you can donate right now, and in fact, I 862 01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:14.760 am going to donate as soon as I'm done with this phone call here And 863 01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:19.400 it looks like there's a bunch of different levels from a ten dollar donation just 864 01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:22.599 and it says right here, back it because you believe in it. And 865 01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:24.360 I think that says everything. I think anybody who's going to back this and 866 01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:30.440 even give ten dollars is because you believe in this project and it didn't feed. 867 01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:32.159 I don't know. I mean, you're my friend, Doug. I 868 01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:35.280 don't want to suck up to you too much. But like if if you 869 01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:37.039 don't, if you don't know what Doug's capable of, go back and look 870 01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:42.440 at Legend Meat Science one and realize what year was that done? Two thousand 871 01:01:42.440 --> 01:01:45.079 and six or something, or when was that we started in two thousand, 872 01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:50.840 two thousands, So yeah, go look, go look with what Sasquatch Legend 873 01:01:50.840 --> 01:01:53.800 Meat Science one was about and realize that's twenty years ago. And think about 874 01:01:53.840 --> 01:02:00.280 the advancements in technology and breakthroughs in science in other ways, send Sin and 875 01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:06.400 realize he's gonna be building upon that science. Sasquatch Science one is still probably 876 01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:09.320 the number one selling DVD in my store. Um, and certainly Jeff's book 877 01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:13.280 is the number one selling book in my store as well in the North American 878 01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:15.400 big Foot Center here, and nobody has a complaint about it, even though 879 01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:19.199 they're both fairly dated at this point, being twenty years old. In some 880 01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:23.039 cases the best they're still the best. They're still the best which you offered 881 01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:28.800 then, Yeah, and no one's really done it better since then, and 882 01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:30.239 no one, certainly no one has. You know, the extra features you 883 01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:36.159 had and um, and the thought processes that you use to get to the 884 01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:37.719 bottom of some of these things, like the Memorial Day stuff. People are 885 01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:43.440 still talking to me about that. Like last week somebody came in. They 886 01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:45.400 were describing something they saw once they were so impressed with, and I was 887 01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:49.079 listening, like trying to figure out what it was, and shure up it 888 01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:52.679 was legend beat science one Memorial Day analysis. It was fantastic and they blew 889 01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:57.960 them away. So yeah, so ten dollars level back at j because you 890 01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:00.519 believe in it, support the project for no reward, just because it speaks 891 01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:04.360 to you. I think all of our listeners can do something like that. 892 01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:07.760 But there's higher levels as well, And of course you get, you know, 893 01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:09.800 like kickstarters, are you give a little bit more, you get a 894 01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:13.599 little bit more. Um. Do you want to go over some of those 895 01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:15.719 rewards, um, Doug? Or do you want me to tell you I'm 896 01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:20.280 looking at the page now you can, you can kind of briefly go through 897 01:03:20.360 --> 01:03:23.320 them. But they But the thing is, when you go to another level, 898 01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:28.760 you get all the all of the products from the first level in the 899 01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:31.400 second level, and you just keep getting more and more and more. Yeah, 900 01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:37.159 just glancing down here, it looks like there's there's possibilities to get your 901 01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:40.000 name in the credits. At some various levels. You get copies of the 902 01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:44.440 Legimie Science one in case you don't have it already. Otherwise, it's hard 903 01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:47.199 for me to imagine that very many of our listeners don't have this documentary already, 904 01:03:47.239 --> 01:03:51.960 by the way, because it is so popular, it made such a 905 01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:54.480 splash in the big Foot community. And of course you're gonna be giving digital 906 01:03:54.519 --> 01:03:59.960 copies of Legimie Science two parts one and two. Although you told us today 907 01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:01.159 that it might be up to four hours in length. Maybe there might be 908 01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:04.280 a part three in there, yep, And and they'll get that. Yes, 909 01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:10.039 it looks like At higher levels ninety bucks, you're gonna be getting copies 910 01:04:10.039 --> 01:04:15.639 of various books from Doug's publishing company and your one productions, Sasquatch Central, 911 01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:18.480 Bigfoot, Alien Stuff, Bigfoot Influencers by Tim Halleran who's been on this program 912 01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:24.320 right here Adam's County Bigfoot Friend or Beast. I don't know if somewhere in 913 01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:28.719 between, maybe there's one hundred sixty dollar level you get even more stuff, 914 01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:31.039 more books. It looks like you just keep piling on the books and piling 915 01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:35.159 on the information for our well read readers on it and here this is fantastic. 916 01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:39.400 Yeah, And so the Kickstarter just opened up I think this past week 917 01:04:39.440 --> 01:04:41.599 if I remember right. And of course I don't know when this is gonna 918 01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:44.480 air. We're recording it, you know, at the end of April here. 919 01:04:44.519 --> 01:04:45.280 We don't know when this is going to air. Hopefully soon though, 920 01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:48.199 because we want to get some money in Doug's pockets to get this testing done. 921 01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:51.119 And again, the money is probably not going to be going into my 922 01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:54.159 pocket, even though I'm going to be in the documentary, Like, I'm 923 01:04:54.159 --> 01:04:56.960 not going to get paid for this. I'm doing it because I believe in 924 01:04:57.000 --> 01:05:00.400 the project. I believe in the project, and I believe in Doug. 925 01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:03.199 I know that this is the right place to put your money. Basically, 926 01:05:03.199 --> 01:05:06.280 I sound like I sound like what these telephoned people on late night TV or 927 01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:11.440 something. But I believe in this and I'm not. I don't b s 928 01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:13.960 people, and I don't lie. You know, this is it. I 929 01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:16.000 think that this is a solid project that you can invest in and feel good 930 01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:19.840 about, and I'm going to do it. When you look at the Kickstarter, 931 01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:23.880 like in a couple of days, you will see North American Bigfoot Center 932 01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:26.599 is in there as a as a, as A, as a donor. 933 01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:31.880 That big consumation you see that, says anonymous. That was me. Yeah, 934 01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:38.280 that's right. That that's from the big people beyond podcasts. For everybody 935 01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:41.280 who is like I all fired up now, which I'm assuming is most of 936 01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:44.679 our listeners, check out the show notes. The link will be in the 937 01:05:44.679 --> 01:05:48.920 show notes that will go directly to the Legend Meet Science two's kickstarter and the 938 01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:53.079 Kickstarter. I don't see this right off the top of my I don't see 939 01:05:53.079 --> 01:05:55.320 it in front of me, Dougs. So when does this end? Or 940 01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:58.639 does it end until the money comes in ends? I believe it's got twenty 941 01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:01.960 six days. Twenty six more days left, and by the time this comes 942 01:06:01.960 --> 01:06:06.400 out probably much fewer than that. So yeah, this is the time, 943 01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:10.639 and you know I'm doing this because I believe in it. Oh, twenty 944 01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:13.679 four days to go is what it says here. What is the last day? 945 01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:17.239 By May seventeenth. I found that all or nothing, this project will 946 01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:23.119 only be funded if it reaches its goal by Wednesday, May seventeenth, So 947 01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:25.280 the time is running out. And again, I don't want to sound like 948 01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:27.840 a Jerry Lewis telethon here, but like, this is it, man, 949 01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:31.719 This is a good project, and I strongly encourage people to donate. If 950 01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:35.360 the project doesn't get funded, everybody will get their money back or they won't 951 01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:39.360 cost him a penny. So all right, So yeah, check out the 952 01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:41.880 show notes right now, go give something, give it up. Give a 953 01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:43.880 dollar if that's all you have, that's cool. I mean, you're not 954 01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:45.880 gonna turn your nose a bit a dollar, right, Doug. Nope, 955 01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:50.400 No, If we had every one of your listeners donate one dollar, we 956 01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:55.800 would then be over over budget, over budget exactly. Well, Doug, 957 01:06:56.039 --> 01:06:59.000 we're gonna sign off now, but can you stick around for our members episode 958 01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:00.800 for another half hour and we can talk about some other things chuck in. 959 01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:03.000 All right, Bubba, why don't you take us out of here and we'll 960 01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:06.360 hop over to the member section. All right, folks, big thank you 961 01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:11.000 to Doug high Check and don't forget to contribute to the kickstarter that's gonna be 962 01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:15.519 awesome. And for you that our Patreon members join us. Right doctor storer 963 01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:17.880 to have an extra session with Doug until next week. We'll see the rest 964 01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:27.480 of y'all. I'll keep it squatchy. Thanks for listening to this week's episode 965 01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:30.000 of Bigfoot and Beyond. If you liked what you heard, please rate and 966 01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:34.920 review us on iTunes, subscribe to Bigfoot and Beyond wherever you get your podcasts, 967 01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:40.960 and follow us on Facebook and Instagram at Bigfoot and Beyond podcast. You 968 01:07:40.960 --> 01:07:45.360 can find us on Twitter at Bigfoot Beyond That's an end in the Middle, 969 01:07:45.719 --> 01:07:49.760 and tweet us your thoughts and questions with the hashtag Bigfoot and Beyond.