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That's 9 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:19,680 Peelbox one five nine thirteen, Boise, Idaho eight three seven one five. 10 00:01:19,879 --> 00:01:23,640 You can also become one of our ongoing Patreon supporters for his little last two 11 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:29,439 dollars per month. Just go to Patreon dot Great Detectives dot net. Well, 12 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:34,920 now it is time for this week's episode of Dragnet. The original aired 13 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:40,359 eight September the first, nineteen forty nine, and the title is Myra the 14 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:53,560 Redhead. Here is another in NBC's great parade of news shows. Ladies and 15 00:01:53,599 --> 00:01:59,840 Gentlemen. The story you were about to hear is true only the names have 16 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:15,520 changed to protect the innocent. NBC brings you Dragnet. You're a detective sergeant. 17 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:20,400 You're assigned to auto theft detail. In three months, more than two 18 00:02:20,479 --> 00:02:24,639 hundred and fifty cars have been broken into property mounting well into thousands of dollars 19 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:30,479 has been stolen. Two youthful members of the gang have been apprehended. The 20 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,680 all important brains of the criminal ring, the leaders, are still at large. 21 00:02:36,599 --> 00:02:44,039 Your job get them. Dragnet the documented drama of an actual crime, 22 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:49,120 investigated and solved by the men who unrelentingly stand watch on the security of your 23 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:53,400 home, your family, and your life. While the next thirty minutes, 24 00:02:53,439 --> 00:02:57,840 in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department, you will travel step by step 25 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,039 on the side of the law through an actual case from official police files, 26 00:03:01,319 --> 00:03:06,960 from beginning to end, from crime to punishment. Drag Net is the story 27 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:14,759 of your police force in action. It was Monday, March second. It 28 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,360 was cold in Los Angeles. We were working the night shift out of auto 29 00:03:17,439 --> 00:03:22,120 Theft. My partner's Ben Romero. The boss is at backstrand, Chief of 30 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,960 Detectives. My name's Friday. I was on the way back from the interrogation 31 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,479 room and it was ten fifty eight pm when I got the room, twenty 32 00:03:28,479 --> 00:03:34,159 six, Chief of Detective's office. Real tough kids, aren't they. Yeah, 33 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,319 they would admit a thing, that's them? Thanks? When'd you pick 34 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,759 him up? About eight thirty to night in the parking lot behind the Star 35 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,599 Theater out on Sunset? It was lifting the radio out of a forty eighth 36 00:03:43,599 --> 00:03:46,639 convertible. He's had lots of experience. The port says you picked up a 37 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,560 nineteen year old girl with him. She was waiting for the guy in a 38 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:53,520 parked car across the street from the theater. Car was full of loot. 39 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,159 A first real break we've had in those auto burglaries in three months, and 40 00:03:55,159 --> 00:03:58,759 it's no good to us. Neither one of them will talk. They won't 41 00:03:58,759 --> 00:04:01,120 even admit they know each other. The runmakes on them. Just did We've 42 00:04:01,159 --> 00:04:04,680 been questioning a boy for an hour getting nowhere? Yeah? What's his name 43 00:04:04,719 --> 00:04:14,039 again? Freeman? Stanley Freeman, age twenty address, Dute, Montana, 44 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,639 Down here for a vacation. He doesn't lie very well. Ed, He's 45 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,439 never been to Butte Montana in his life. Knows less about the town than 46 00:04:19,439 --> 00:04:25,000 I do. Well, get to him, right, ed, where'd you 47 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,759 put the girl. We got a policewoman. Take her to our office. 48 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,639 We can talk to her when we finish the boy. What's her story? 49 00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:33,920 Hasn't any She won't even open her mouth. Nineteen years old, probably needs 50 00:04:33,959 --> 00:04:46,079 a good spanking. Now get him to talk, right? Did you run 51 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:53,319 to make Joe? Yeah? He's clean yet wise? How flat was Look? 52 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,879 You're in a bad spots sun. That kind of talk isn't gonna help, 53 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,879 says you. We caught you red handed trying to steal a radio that 54 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,839 it didn't belong to you from a car it didn't belong to you. Is 55 00:05:01,879 --> 00:05:04,920 that right? That's enough to send you to San Quentin. Boy, we 56 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,480 better give us the story. Shut up. We've got all the evidence we 57 00:05:09,639 --> 00:05:13,480 need for him. Maybe you don't realize how serious this is. We've had 58 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,120 more than two hundred and fifty car burglaries in this city in the past three 59 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,480 months. Over two hundred thousand dollars worth the property has been stolen. That's 60 00:05:18,519 --> 00:05:23,439 a lot of money. So what so you're the number one suspect, young 61 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,160 fellow. Your method of operation and breaking into that car to night is the 62 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,600 same use and most of the other burglaries. That means You're not gonna be 63 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,839 tried just for this job tonight. What do you get in that flat foot? 64 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,399 Listen, Son, in the state of California, I'm breaking into a 65 00:05:35,439 --> 00:05:39,959 locked car as a fallon. You can go to the state pen and danger 66 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,720 for that, and we're gonna file a complaint of burglary with the district attorney 67 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,319 in the morning. You say you're from Butte, Montana. All right, 68 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,319 I don't believe you, but we'll make sure. Ben. Go out to 69 00:05:49,319 --> 00:05:53,360 our office and call the news photographers. Stanley, here's gonna have his picture 70 00:05:53,399 --> 00:05:56,720 on the front page of every newspaper in Los Angeles tomorrow, Right, Joe, 71 00:05:58,199 --> 00:06:01,000 No, you can't. I won't let you. I got my rights. 72 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:05,120 Let's marry youngster. Everybody wants his picture in the paper. Yeah, 73 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:10,120 well I don't. I won't let them. We got your picture already for 74 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,120 him, and remember I tuck it when their finger printed you. You can't 75 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,319 use it. You can't. I'll get a lawyer. Reporters will be over 76 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,680 in a couple of minutes. We have to give me a story and your 77 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:24,879 picture too. This one. You won't. You won't get it, all 78 00:06:24,959 --> 00:06:28,879 right, all right, get your hands off. I'm not sitting down. 79 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,079 All right, now, let's have it straight. Don't let them use the 80 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:41,519 picture. Don't let them you can't you. We got to have the truth 81 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,800 center now. Look, you're twenty years old. You know right from wrong. 82 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,279 You'll have to take your medicine. If you cooperate, we'll do all 83 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:54,839 we can to help, all right. I live out in the Wilshire district. 84 00:06:54,879 --> 00:06:58,519 All I wanted was a little extra money. We didn't take much. 85 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,759 We didn't think it was so wrong. It was stealing. Fraeman, you 86 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:08,360 know it's wrong. Where do you live out there? Piper Avenue eight twenty 87 00:07:08,399 --> 00:07:13,079 one Piper. You won't give him my picture? You live there with your 88 00:07:13,079 --> 00:07:18,079 family? Yeah, my mother, father's dead. Promise me you won't give 89 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:23,560 him the picture. My mother she'd see it. I'll promise me. You're 90 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,480 working with a gang and those autoburgrahies. We know that now. Who are 91 00:07:26,519 --> 00:07:30,720 they? Where are they and what's the setup? I can't they get me 92 00:07:30,839 --> 00:07:33,600 for it? Who'd get you? I can't tell you. I can't. 93 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:40,000 Who's your girlfriend, Stanley, the one you were with tonight? Joanne? 94 00:07:40,279 --> 00:07:43,920 Joanne Miller? Where does she live? Piper Avenue? Same as me? 95 00:07:44,879 --> 00:07:47,600 Lives on the same block. Eight sixty six at her home. You live 96 00:07:47,639 --> 00:07:54,519 there with her full Yeah, mother and father, they work, and you 97 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,759 got her into this. Isn't that the story she gave us? Ben I 98 00:07:57,959 --> 00:08:01,160 did not I do. It was her, she said. A bunch of 99 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,079 kids were doing it. It was quick money, something to do with night. 100 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,160 She started it. All right, Ramero, I'll go see the girl. 101 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:11,120 You stay here with Freeman, all right, Yo, just stay putting 102 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:20,639 that chair for him. Him. Marge, Oh, Joe, you and 103 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,480 Romero handling this case. Yeah, I like to talk to the girl a 104 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:30,360 few minutes, Marchs when you stand by. Thanks, all right, miss. 105 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,480 What's your name, age and address? I told this lady cop fifteen 106 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:35,679 minutes ago. I'm not saying anything. All right, then we'll tell you. 107 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,480 Your name's Joanne Miller. You live at eight sixty six Piper Avenue. 108 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,559 You live with your father and mother, both have them work. You're a 109 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,279 liar, that's not me. You're nineteen years old, you live on the 110 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:46,679 same block as your boyfriend, Stanley Freeman, and you're the one who got 111 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,840 to mixed up on this gang. Isn't that right? No, it's not 112 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,080 right. It's not I didn't do anything. It's only half the story. 113 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,840 Freeman told us everything. You want to hear the rest. No, stan 114 00:08:54,879 --> 00:08:56,600 wouldn't tell you. He wouldn't. He told us how you got it mixed 115 00:08:56,639 --> 00:09:01,159 up in it? Quick money, that's what you told. Oh it was 116 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:03,960 him. I can prove it. The rest of the kids will tell you 117 00:09:03,399 --> 00:09:07,879 he got me in this. Ask him, they'll tell you it was Stanley 118 00:09:07,879 --> 00:09:11,519 and Fred Milford and George Janssen. They started, all three of them. 119 00:09:11,919 --> 00:09:13,799 All right, Will you tell a story to a police stenographer. I'll tell 120 00:09:13,879 --> 00:09:18,879 him everything. He's not blaming this on me. Marge, you go get 121 00:09:18,879 --> 00:09:26,559 this stenographer right now. How many persons in this gang of years? About 122 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,200 ten or twelve? And it's not my gang either. He got me into 123 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:31,879 this, and now he's trying to lie his way out blaming me. How 124 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:37,840 you've been doing this burglarizing cars? Me only about two weeks. It was 125 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,759 supposed to be fun, something to do at night. The rest of them 126 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:43,559 been added a couple of months. Who's the head of the gang. I 127 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,120 told you it's him, Stanley and Fred Milford and Jansen, all three. 128 00:09:46,759 --> 00:09:50,559 I only started going out with him two weeks ago, maybe less, All 129 00:09:50,639 --> 00:09:54,320 right, Joanne, tell it to the stenographer. The same way. Senographer 130 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,600 will be in a minute. Joe, okay, Marge, thanks, stay 131 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:07,960 with it. Jo, just about a close case. Ben. The girl 132 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,240 gave us a full confession. She didn't. Oh, you're not tricking me 133 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,799 again. She didn't. She told us you're one of the leaders of the 134 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,720 gang. Stanley said, you got her into all this. The other two 135 00:10:16,759 --> 00:10:20,960 are George Jansen and Fred Milford. About a dozen kids in the gang. 136 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,519 All I'm about your age, isn't it right? She's lying? Can't you 137 00:10:24,639 --> 00:10:28,519 tell she's lying? She got me into the gang? She did? She's 138 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:33,080 Milford's girlfriend. Ask her, Oh, she can't lie out of that one. 139 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,240 She got me into what I can prove it? Who's the real leader 140 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,360 of the gang? Milford? He started it, He organized the whole thing. 141 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:45,039 He collects the stuff we get, and he delivers it. Jansen helps 142 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:46,759 him do it. What do you mean he delivers this stuff? Where does 143 00:10:46,799 --> 00:10:52,720 he deliver it? Somewhere in Dogtown? I think down around South Maine near 144 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:58,679 the railroad yards. Who's had delivered too? I don't know exactly. I 145 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:03,440 heard Jansen mention the names Myra. He said, it's supposed to be a 146 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:09,759 big secret Myra. That's that's all I remember where does Janson and Milford lay? 147 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,639 Jansen rooms down on East Flower ten forty two I think is it's a 148 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,120 rooming house. And Milford lives two blocks over from me on Quincy two thirty 149 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,360 four Quincy. He is with his grandmother. Got that, Ben? All 150 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:28,480 right? All right, let's pick up Milford and Jansen. It was ten 151 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:33,320 minutes past one when Ben and I returned to headquarters with George Jansen and Fred 152 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,799 Milford in our custody. In Jansen's room at ten forty two East Flowers Street, 153 00:11:37,879 --> 00:11:41,200 we found two fur coats, a box full of new car accessories, 154 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:46,159 an SNW thirty eight revolver, and a forty five automatic. When we picked 155 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,879 up Fred Milford at his home, we discovered five deluxe car radios hidden in 156 00:11:48,919 --> 00:11:52,600 the garage, plus a valuable assortment of cameras, cigarette lighters, and clothing. 157 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,720 Both Janson and Milford refused to talk, and when we got them to 158 00:11:56,759 --> 00:12:01,679 headquarters and showed them the signed statements of Stanley Freeman and the girl Joanne Miller, 159 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:07,039 they broke Milford. Where else did you and your gang operate besides the 160 00:12:07,039 --> 00:12:09,720 Wilshire District? No place? Only out there? That's all same type of 161 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,559 car burglers have been committed all over the city. You're telling us your gang 162 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,440 didn't have a hand on them. It's a truth. Our territory was Wilshire 163 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,279 District. We didn't go outside. You mean some other gangs responsible. I 164 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,399 don't know. All I know is we didn't have any part of them. 165 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,720 Is there another gang, Milford? Maybe? I don't know. You find 166 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,279 out none of my business. It is your business, Milford. You admit 167 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,720 you and your gang committed fifty five jobs in the past three and a half 168 00:12:30,759 --> 00:12:31,919 months. That leaves about two HUNDREDJBS to be accounted for. That. That's 169 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,200 right. To figure it out. I have figured it out. I think 170 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,080 you and you were a gang of young thieves pulled every one of those two 171 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,120 hundred and fifty jobs. There isn't any other gang. That's the story. 172 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:41,799 The distric Attorney's going to get it. You're crazy. There is I know 173 00:12:41,879 --> 00:12:46,039 there is, and give us the information. Save yourself a lot of trouble. 174 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,759 Well, we're not the only ones, that's all I know, Milford. 175 00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:52,440 Do you know how many years you get for Odelberger? I told you 176 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,759 we're not the only ones. There must be a couple of others besides us. 177 00:12:54,960 --> 00:13:01,000 Vince Mahoney. He's got a gang. Where does Mahoney operate West Hollywood? 178 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,120 I don't know, honest, I only met him a couple of times. 179 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:09,440 I don't remember. Where'd you meet him? Milting delivery? I met 180 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:13,720 him down at the delivery place a couple of nights when you delivered the property 181 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:16,960 you stole from cars? Is that right? Yeah? Where was? Then? 182 00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:20,799 Gone by the railroad yards where Chavs Street. It's a little alley off 183 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:24,080 his name. Who would you deliver this stuff too? He told your names 184 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,960 Mayra. That's all I know. We meet her and some guy on Tuesday 185 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:31,320 nights. We get him the stuff and they pay us off when he delivers 186 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,919 the same night I do. Do you meet her every Tuesday? Name? 187 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:39,000 Yeah, you're going to meet her this Tuesday tomorrow night. I don't know. 188 00:13:39,039 --> 00:13:43,440 I guess same place? Yeah? Are you the only one she deals 189 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:48,600 with? Sometimes? Joanne, you're a joint. I know what you're thinking. 190 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:54,000 You want to use me to trap Myra? What's it worth? You 191 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:58,960 know better than that? How about it? Now? Oh? What else? 192 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:07,480 Going to give me another cigarette? By three point thirty that morning, 193 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:11,840 the signed statements and confessions were piling up fast. Milford gave us a list 194 00:14:11,879 --> 00:14:13,759 of the names and the dresses of each member and his gang, and within 195 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,639 an hour they were all under questioning at headquarters. Most of the suspects, 196 00:14:18,639 --> 00:14:22,639 about one third of them girls, ranged in age from eighteen to twenty one. 197 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,480 As they told their individual stories, the scope of the case grew until 198 00:14:26,519 --> 00:14:30,399 it covered most of the city. By late afternoon of the next day, 199 00:14:30,559 --> 00:14:33,480 Tuesday, March third, three more gangs operating in Venice, bel Air, 200 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:37,200 and North Hollywood have been apprehended. They confess to more than one hundred and 201 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,720 seventy five burglaries from locked cars during the past three and a half months. 202 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,519 At five o'clock that afternoon, Ben and I met with Chief Backstrand in his 203 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,120 office. How many admissions you have now? Over fifty? Ed here the 204 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,480 gang leader's statements. That's this story, man, Pretty much the same. 205 00:14:54,559 --> 00:14:58,080 They always say, this woman Myra set up operation. You mean she got 206 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,240 the kids and put them to work burglarizing cars. Well, not exactly. 207 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,720 She picked the leaders, contacted them in bars or on the street, asking 208 00:15:05,759 --> 00:15:09,080 them if they wanted to pick up some spare money getting auto parts for then 209 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,039 she didn't tell them to go out and burglarized cars. Well, not in 210 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,600 so many words, ed no. After they brought in auto parts for a 211 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,279 couple of weeks, she told them to bring her everything they could find outside 212 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,039 the car. Inside. Those the words she used. Five of the kids 213 00:15:20,039 --> 00:15:26,600 dictated those words into this sign compation that should hold in court. What else 214 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,080 did you get on this woman? Oh, she taught him how to work 215 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:33,440 them to wear gloves all angles. H Well, we got most of the 216 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,440 small frime. Where do we find this Mara woman? Any description on her? 217 00:15:37,559 --> 00:15:41,639 Yeah, kids say she's about thirty three thirty four, good looking, 218 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:45,480 redhead, five feet five, about one hundred and twenty world rare. No 219 00:15:45,559 --> 00:15:48,360 description on the guy she runs with. You run a make on her yet? 220 00:15:48,519 --> 00:15:50,600 Yeah, no previous record. We set up a stakeout for tonight. 221 00:15:50,919 --> 00:15:54,000 Two of the gang leaders have volunteered to go along, as Milford and Vince 222 00:15:54,039 --> 00:16:00,799 Mahoney Good down on Chavies where she usually meets them. Ye out fry eleven 223 00:16:00,879 --> 00:16:03,919 fifteen. That's a regular time for the meet, according to the kid. 224 00:16:04,279 --> 00:16:07,039 And I'll be at home call me. I don't want to miss out on 225 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:15,159 this one. When Ben and I left at Backstrand's office, we went home 226 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,919 for dinner. In a few hours sleep. At nine thirty pm, we 227 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:22,200 were back at the office. We met the men in the special Detail, 228 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,440 which backstranded a sign for the steakout that night. We briefed them on their 229 00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:30,120 duties, and then we got Fred Milford and Vince Mahoney out of their cells. 230 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,200 To avoid any possible suspicion of the presence of a trap, we had 231 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,240 Milford's permission to use his car in the steakhout, the car which he had 232 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,480 said he had driven to the delivery meetings with the woman Mayra at least a 233 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:47,039 dozen times before we arrived at the steakout area Chavezali and East Maine at nine 234 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:51,759 fifty eight. The meeting was scheduled for eleven fifteen. The moon was out, 235 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,480 but the sky was overcast and it was a cold wind going from the 236 00:16:55,519 --> 00:17:00,960 east. Hey, what time you got, sergeant? Mmm about saying why 237 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,919 a mail? Friends? Getting nervous? No, I just wondering, how 238 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,920 are your cops gonna rig this thing? In just a couple of minutes. 239 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,880 We're gonna plant you two in Milford's car parked up there in the alley. 240 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,039 Well, you stay there until Myra shows up. We'll do the rest. 241 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:15,079 Yeah, I know, But what'll we say, suppose she asked for some 242 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,519 stuff. We ain't got any. You won't need any. You won't have 243 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:21,839 much time for talking. Suppose she wises up, Maybe she'll pull a gun. 244 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:25,480 Maybe does she carry one? No, you never saw her with one. 245 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,839 Don't worry, Milford. We'll make sure you're not in danger. She's 246 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:32,720 an awful temper. That redhead got mad at me once when I squawked at 247 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,839 the price that she was paying us for radios? What was she paying you, 248 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:41,319 mahoney? And Nate too radio good shape? Seven bucks? She got 249 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:44,640 all the gravy and you got all the grief. Yeah not didn't Joe? 250 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,559 You? Yeah? Steve? What do you got? Oh? The man 251 00:17:47,559 --> 00:17:49,160 are all stinked out? You? I got the area covered from every angle. 252 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,640 All right? You got an extra man to stay in Milford's car? 253 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,720 Oh I hadn't that my show? Fine? Thanks? Okay, Well set 254 00:17:55,839 --> 00:17:59,279 you. Yeah, I'm Milford. Mahoney. We're gonna put you two in 255 00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:00,799 your car. Now. That's going to be an officer with you. So 256 00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:03,559 there's no need to be nervous or afraid. Just sit in the car and 257 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,079 act natural. When this Mara drives up. Don't leave the car. I 258 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,680 ever come to you. You got it? Sure? Okay, all right, 259 00:18:11,759 --> 00:18:18,799 Joe, let's go. Sure is cold out. I don't even have 260 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:26,519 a heater in my car. I'm stolen enough, Okay, Steve here they 261 00:18:26,519 --> 00:18:30,839 are all right, boys, get in first behind the wheel, Okayn, 262 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,079 in the middle. Now sit in the back and we'll be parking that garage 263 00:18:34,079 --> 00:18:37,240 across the street. Steve got a perfect view of the alley. Okay, 264 00:18:37,279 --> 00:18:45,799 then check with you later, right, mean night, Joe. Yeah, 265 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:59,720 come on, it's cold here in the garage in it, yeah, and 266 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:06,359 be a long way. What time you go? Six minutes past ten? 267 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:18,000 Thank you? Hi, Joe? What is it? It's nothing? I 268 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:27,000 thought that passion car was turned in the alley. Relaxed, surly, lonely 269 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:41,720 place dark gets on your nerve. M h that's it been half past eleven. 270 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,599 Nothing yet somebody might have tipped her all Yeah, that's what I was 271 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:51,960 afraid of. Now let's wait it out anyway, Joe, have blue Cooper 272 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:57,400 just turned in the alley. Let's go on, run ben by you all 273 00:19:57,519 --> 00:20:02,319 right? Wake up, bullet fight? What'd you get Steve here? He 274 00:20:02,519 --> 00:20:04,039 is just drove up in the coop, got out and called Milford mahoney. 275 00:20:04,039 --> 00:20:07,240 By the first names. He's in on it. What about the girl? 276 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:08,559 No sign? Kid was the only one in the car. All right, 277 00:20:08,759 --> 00:20:11,960 tell him and the steakouts offered, and I'd have him report back in. 278 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,319 We'll take a kid with us. Okay, all right, young fellow, 279 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,640 this way, are you cops thinking doing I ain't done nothing, look sport. 280 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,599 We heard that from fifty four different kids yesterday. We're tired of that 281 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:27,599 line. Come on. When we got back to the office, we took 282 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:32,119 the boy to the interrogation room and questioned him. He gave his name as 283 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:37,880 Matthew Lighter, aged twenty one. He wouldn't break until Vince Mahoney definitely identified 284 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,119 him as a member of his car burglary gang and the special favorite of the 285 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,279 red headed woman they called Myra. Then Lighter copped out and told Ben and 286 00:20:45,319 --> 00:20:48,720 I that he had talked with Myra as late as ten o'clock tonight. He 287 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:51,599 told us that she had heard that the police had picked up some of the 288 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,039 gang members, and she asked Lighter to drive down to the Shabaz Alley meeting 289 00:20:55,079 --> 00:20:57,759 place. He was supposed to tell Milfred and Mahoney that the weekly delivery date 290 00:20:57,839 --> 00:21:02,680 was off until further notice. We questioned Matthew later for an hour and a 291 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,559 half. You told us a little while ago that you talked with this woman 292 00:21:06,759 --> 00:21:10,559 Myra late tonight. Yeah, Where'd you talk to her? At her home? 293 00:21:10,759 --> 00:21:12,240 Her home? Nope, he's stupid. Nobody knows where she lives. 294 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:17,559 I met her at a bar, which bar, Julius out of Santa Monica. 295 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,200 How did she contact you? Called me at home? She's not such 296 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,279 a bad name. She treats you right. Sure, that's why he in 297 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,640 jail. Did you ever call her on the phone. I don't know her 298 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,200 number. None of the kids too. She's smart. She taught me all 299 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,519 I know about the racket. You'll up a rough time getting her. Maybe 300 00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:41,839 we'll get her. Ben and I left the office at two am and went 301 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,799 home to bed. We reported in at eight that morning to head Backstrand. 302 00:21:47,519 --> 00:21:49,519 The three of us went down the street to Cocain's restaurant for a cup of 303 00:21:49,519 --> 00:21:55,519 coffee. Nobody was in a good mood. We had most her haul the 304 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,799 small fry in the city white burglary ring, but it seemed we were still 305 00:21:57,839 --> 00:22:03,079 a long way from cracking the inner circle. Latter kids said that none of 306 00:22:03,079 --> 00:22:06,880 them knows where she lives. What our phone number is nothing advice of sugary. 307 00:22:07,279 --> 00:22:11,000 I think we still have a few angles to study on that score. 308 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:15,119 Right now, I've got some more bad news for you. What's that you've 309 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,160 been through your mail this morning? No, that's yet. We haven't had 310 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,279 a chance. I saw the overnight reports. There were thirty two car burglaries 311 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,119 last night, thirty two all away from Wilmington to North Hollywood. How you 312 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,119 figured it? I can't. This girl Myra must have an army of kids 313 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,440 working for How much did they get in any idea? A rough estimate about 314 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,640 three thousand dollars. Usual stuff people are foolish enough to leave in their cars, 315 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,640 watches, cameras, furs, expensive clothes and always the same. And 316 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,359 like the others, the car happens to have a rigid handle locked. They 317 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,000 slip a piece of pipe over the handle for a lever and break it. 318 00:22:52,319 --> 00:22:55,559 If that doesn't work, they probably open the wing window. Some of the 319 00:22:55,559 --> 00:22:59,640 windows were smashed out. Sounds like an awful hurried joe. Yeah, maybe 320 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,720 this my once a few big nights before she pedals the stuff and gets out, 321 00:23:02,839 --> 00:23:04,559 and we're going to get her. We can't waste time. Any suspects 322 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:08,240 picked up last night's giver none. Well, where'd they hit? Most of 323 00:23:08,279 --> 00:23:14,440 the car outside the Pan Pacific the parking lot hockey game going on must have 324 00:23:14,519 --> 00:23:17,799 been four thousand cars for them to pick over them. They picked the best, 325 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,039 as usual, and you better get on it. There's one way to 326 00:23:22,079 --> 00:23:26,440 handle it. And what's that she works fast, You work a little faster. 327 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,680 She got back to the office and we went over the reports one by 328 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,680 one. Then we called the young gang members to the interrogation room and questioned 329 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:41,480 them separately and requested them we got nowhere. Many of them had met Myra 330 00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:44,599 on the street in the bar, but not one of them had any idea 331 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,480 where she lives, at least that's what they told us. Men had a 332 00:23:48,519 --> 00:23:52,039 hunch that matthew Ler knew more than he was telling. We had him brought 333 00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:56,039 to the interrogation room and all that afternoon until ten o'clock that night, with 334 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,359 interruptions for his meal periods. We talked with Lighter. He would admit nothing 335 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,759 more than what he'd already told us. Yeah, it's got me beat, 336 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:10,319 Joe. Yeah, let's check it out. If we're going on, Joe, 337 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:14,359 I, Mike, give her in. There's mcgona whole room minute right 338 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:19,640 back hold them. Yeah. See who detectives always handing? Yeah, well 339 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:26,279 you Joe, Oh thanks, well yeah he does. We'll be right over 340 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,119 with Sergeant Hopkins over the jail man. Matthew Leder's got something to tell us, 341 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:45,039 says it's important. I have a chair here, Ladder. Yeah, 342 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,559 thanks, all right, you wanted to see us. I'm getting even with 343 00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:52,279 that Dame Myra. I'm squaring with you. Yeah. She told me if 344 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:55,480 I was picked up, she'd have me out in a couple of hours. 345 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,079 She promised me a lawyer if anything happened, said, you'd get me bail. 346 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:00,680 All right. Where can we find her? I don't know if she's 347 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,480 there now, but you can find out at Francisco Motors, big use car 348 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:10,680 lot garage too shot on Melrose past Los Sianaca. What's the time. That's 349 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,640 where she fenced most of the stuff we stole. Some old guy she buddies 350 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,039 with runs the place, big shop in the back store. A lot of 351 00:25:18,039 --> 00:25:22,599 hot stuff there, Barney, Yes, we're through with him. Take him 352 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:30,279 back. We checked with Chief Backstrand, and then we drove out to the 353 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:33,559 Francisco Motor Company. We located it on the corner of Melrose in Geneva Avenue 354 00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:40,039 was a big layout consisted of a large used car lot sign bannering the slogan 355 00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:45,680 de Luxeto accessories lowest prices in town. Along the back end of the lot 356 00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:48,720 there was a large L shaped garage. We found the man in charge, 357 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,359 and he gave his name as Paul Hackett, the owner of the car lot. 358 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,200 In the garage we found the entrance to a large back storeroom was loaded 359 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:02,799 with thousands of dollars worth of at already spotlights, cratefuls of assorted car accessories. 360 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,240 Special closets built into the walls of the garage contain racks of fur coats, 361 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,519 suits, dresses. Below that smaller boxes containing watches and cameras, all 362 00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:14,880 wrapped in tissue paper. You can save all of us a lot of time 363 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,079 and trouble by talking to us. Now, mister Hackett, where is Myra. 364 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,559 I don't know who you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking 365 00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:23,119 about. Can you explain what we just found in your garage? I didn't 366 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,680 know it was there. I didn't know if stolen. Well, which is 367 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,640 it, mister Hackett, Make up your mind. I bought it, but 368 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,599 I didn't know it was stolen. You can't prove I didn't know. I 369 00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:34,559 think we can prove it, mister Hackett. Some of those stolen car radio 370 00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:37,640 stored back there. Serial numbers are filed off in this work bench here is 371 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,160 full of filings. I I didn't know. You'll have to do better than 372 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:47,279 that. How does Myra figure in? I don't know. I don't know 373 00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:49,319 what you're talking about. It's all right with us, Hackett. We found 374 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,279 the stuff and we got you. We don't find Myra, you'll be doing 375 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:57,480 time for two people. Stand still. You can't. You can't do this 376 00:26:57,559 --> 00:27:00,240 to be I don't know anything about. I'll have to come on, Hacket. 377 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:08,880 We've taken you in, all right, Get in the car. Come 378 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,759 on in the car, and I going to jail. You're going to jail, 379 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:22,599 all right. I'll take it to Myra. Well. Hack had told 380 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,440 us that Myra lived at thirteen forty five Munich Drive in Beverly Hills. He 381 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,200 said that he was Mayra's husband. He told us that he'd been in a 382 00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:33,079 legitimate garage business for ten years before he married Myra. She talked him into 383 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,039 the ragon. He identified thirteen forty five Munich Drive as their home. When 384 00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:41,119 we got there, we found stores of stolen property. Similar to those found 385 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,039 in the garage. Myra was not there. Hackett had no idea where she 386 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:52,519 might be. We sat down in the living room and waited one hour, 387 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:57,039 two hours, three hours. After five hours of waiting, the monotony started 388 00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:03,160 to wear on everybody's nerves. Hackets the whole thing. It was her idea. 389 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:06,640 I should have known all hers. She did this to me. I 390 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,240 won't take it alone. Where is she? You tell us? Hackett told 391 00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:14,000 you I don't know. She couldn't have gone. She didn't know. I'm 392 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:21,759 not going to try. That's your Paul. But I heard you're talking to 393 00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:27,440 some see the police. The police, Your smart kids told them the whole 394 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,319 story. What are you talking about? My smart kids? Are these cops? 395 00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:34,359 Get your dirty hands off me like kids, right, Joe? She 396 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:40,200 gotta do. Will you think your there? That'll hold you for a while? 397 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,359 All right? Come on, you two, let's go all right? 398 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:48,359 Copper you win? Stupid husbands? How many times I tell you, don't 399 00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:52,720 trust those kids, don't start that stuff in the garage. Don't for anybody 400 00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:56,440 get a lawyer. No, you knew better, dumb jerk. I did 401 00:28:56,599 --> 00:29:00,400 have those cops camping in the living room waiting for me. Why didn't warn 402 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,599 me, little Diaborsa. That's what I'm gonna do. I'll stick you for 403 00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:14,119 plenty, all right, inside, you two, you gotta smoke Ben m 404 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:25,400 Yeah, thanks, I'm just thinking. Boy, those kids were right. 405 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,880 She's a pretty nice looking woman. Yeah, nice face, beautiful figure. 406 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,640 Sure talks a lot, though, doesn't she. Yeah, Hey, Joe, 407 00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:48,519 remind me to take home some flowers to my wife tonight. The story 408 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:55,680 you have just heard is cruel only the names were changed to protect the innocent. 409 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,200 Paul and Myra Hackett were tried and convicted on seven seve counts of receiving 410 00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:06,519 stolen property. They are now serving out their sentences in the state penitentiary. 411 00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:10,440 Realizing that most of the young persons involved in the case were influenced by the 412 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,160 strong personality of Paul and Myra Hackett, a separate investigation was made into the 413 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,880 backgrounds and home life of the young offenders. In most cases, they were 414 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,200 found to be basically good, and they were placed on probation and returned to 415 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:32,079 their homes. You have just heard the thirteenth in a new series of authentic 416 00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:37,160 cases from official files. Technical advice for Dragnet comes from the Office of W. 417 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,920 A. Wharton, Acting Chief of Police, Los Angeles Police Department. 418 00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:47,759 Tonight's program is dedicated to Detective Harry William Vosper of the Seattle Washington Police Department, 419 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,440 on the night of July twenty first, nineteen forty nine, gave his 420 00:30:52,599 --> 00:31:00,319 life so that yours might be more secure. That came to you from Los 421 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:08,480 Angeles And now an important announcement. 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Mara was clever about how she taught the kids to handle 429 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,599 the robberies, and she was smart enough to limit her contacts in the number 430 00:31:56,599 --> 00:32:02,599 of people who actually saw her and to further limit the ability of people she 431 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:08,279 meant to actually know who she was and where she actually lived. Of course, 432 00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:14,480 Myra's cleverness had enough arrogance in it to lead to her undoing. Backstrand 433 00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:17,440 had speculated that she'd try to leave town, but of course she couldn't, 434 00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:22,920 at least not at great cost to her since her husband owned the garage. 435 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:30,359 The only way her plan actually works long term is if no one ever ever 436 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,039 got caught, or if they did, they didn't implicate anyone that would implicate 437 00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:38,599 her, and she bet on teenagers at twenty one year olds to keep their 438 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:43,720 mouths shut and go to jail for her. It was a nice touch when 439 00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:51,640 Backstrand raised the possibility that she'd merely ask for the auto part without telling them 440 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,160 to steal, even though the only way that most teenagers are going to get 441 00:32:55,279 --> 00:33:00,640 the amount of parts and the type of parts that Myra quested was to steal 442 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,559 them. If that had been the case and she just asked for parts and 443 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:12,039 not requested they steal them, that would make prosecution more challenging, not impossible, 444 00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:16,839 but challenging. It was a small piece of dialogue, but I really 445 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,440 liked it because it showed Backstrand was trying to make sure that he was on 446 00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:29,559 solid ground before he went after Myra. It's interesting to compare this to some 447 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:36,160 of the fictional police on various programs who often go off half cock in their 448 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,119 efforts to get a quick arrest. I also really loved the bit of dry 449 00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:45,440 humor when one of the kids complained that it was cold and they didn't even 450 00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:51,160 have a heater in their car, and Romero pointed out, you guys have 451 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,759 stolen a lot of heaters. That was just a nice little touch on this 452 00:33:53,960 --> 00:34:00,440 case. All right, onto listener comments and feedback, and we start with 453 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:08,119 Vicky, who wrote on Spotify regarding the episode Production eleven aka sixteen Jewel Thefts, 454 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:15,079 and Vicky writ's interesting episode. I don't understand why they took the suspect 455 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:19,360 with him instead of just having his picture taken. Well, Vicky, that's 456 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:25,599 a great question. Particularly said the picture would be far more pleasant than the 457 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:30,639 man. If I were to speculate, two things would really stand out to 458 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:37,519 me. The first is that they really needed his cooperation. If, as 459 00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:43,039 it turned out to be the case, they couldn't locate all of the loot 460 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,440 in his apartment, they were going to need him to tell them where the 461 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,400 rest was. And I think another aspect of this was that the police hoped 462 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:58,760 for some bit of crack and his result. Because he was walking around in 463 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:05,760 this weather completely miserable, you know, not needing to follow the same you 464 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,599 know, suit and tie standard, but still walking around from place to place 465 00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:14,320 in police custody, there had to be some hope that he might just say, 466 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,280 okay, Nava, I'll go ahead and tell you. And if not 467 00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:22,480 that, then maybe he would have some sort of subtle way he would give 468 00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:28,079 away that they were near his apartment. And in a way, I think 469 00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:32,679 throughout this the sort of battle of wills kind of came to a standstill until 470 00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:38,199 they actually found the apartment. And I think he had invested a lot in 471 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:44,159 being able to pull one over on the police, on them not actually ever 472 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:49,440 finding his place. That when they did find it and they found jewels and 473 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:57,280 he realized that ultimately they had him, that's when he gave in and cooperated. 474 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,960 I don't know whether he would have done that if they had left him 475 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:06,480 in lock up for nine days. So those are the reasons that I suspect 476 00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:10,119 they did it. I'd love to hear other insights or suggestions. I don't 477 00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:14,880 know if that would be legal today. I mean, he had been charged 478 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,239 he'd been arraigned and probably he could not make bail. That's kind of what 479 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:24,000 I would assume. And then the person who runs the spurdvack, that's the 480 00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:30,599 Society to Preserve encourage radio, drama, variety and comedy rights. That was 481 00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:39,039 an all time great episode. And then regarding Benny Trounzel Barney Wright's wonderful presentation 482 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:45,559 on YouTube, and then saysof rights, Hi Adam to help with the listener 483 00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:51,320 question, I'm quite sure that the City Hall Bomber was played by the great 484 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,920 Parley Bear, and actually I recognized his voice as a different character in each 485 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:01,639 of the first several episodes. In episodes and nine, he was noticeably absent, 486 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:06,880 so I'm guessing that he decided to take a break after his intense performance 487 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,480 as the bomber. That was really the most intense performance I've ever heard from 488 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:16,400 Parly Bear, which was in sharp contrast to his low key performance as Chester 489 00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:21,599 on gun Smoke. Well, thanks so much. I appreciate the email, 490 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,719 and I think we could take it as read. We had another listener who 491 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,760 thought it was Parly Bear, that Parly Bear was indeed the bomber. Again, 492 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,119 thank you so much for the comment over there on YouTube. And now 493 00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:38,159 it's time to thank our Patreon supporter of the day. Thank you to Adrian, 494 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:45,400 Patreon supporter since January of twenty twenty, currently supporting the podcast at the 495 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:51,320 Detective Sergeant level of seven dollars and fourteen cents or more per month. 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What why you try 505 00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:42,800 some Pepa major domo with two hundred rooms? Can't you afford better than that? 506 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,960 Miss mcgahnon, I'll kill you. You'll got up? What's the scar? 507 00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:51,880 Miss mcgahnon. My wife is not a well woman at the sad doctor's 508 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,639 forbitt in all this day. Well she sent me a retainer one hundred and 509 00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:58,400 fifty bucks, one hundred and fifty dollars. Well where did she get? 510 00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:02,920 Johnny? You hear it? Do look at me. You say you locked 511 00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:07,400 up all the liquor. That's what I said. Very well, you and 512 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,880 your boys have been running things in this house. We see the results, 513 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,519 detectives and that that racket. I want all the servants reports to be here 514 00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:17,400 immediately. I'm just charging them all. What about our detective friend here, 515 00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:22,960 I'll leave that to you. Deal with that dip. That's my pleasure. 516 00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:27,039 You'll be with us then. In the meantime, do send your comments to 517 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:32,119 Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot nett, follow us on Twitter at Radio Detectives, 518 00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:37,840 and check us out on Instagram, Instagram, dot com slash Great Detectives 519 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:43,599 from Boise, Idaho. This is your host, Adam graham Son and off