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All right, off a weekend that
has seen the Golden Boys show come and

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go in Arlington, Texas and a
big KO win for williams Zapeta. We

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are ready to talk about that,
some news, some nostalgia and Moore.

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Hello, and welcome back to the
Fight Freaks Unite Recap for another edition as

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we slide into a new week.
Hey, it's Canelo Alvarez week this week,

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and hope you enjoyed on our most
recent podcast on this feed, Dan's

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conversation with Canelo. Some interesting stuff
that was there. I am merely the

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somewhat capable host. The Dan reference
is in reference to this guy, our

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insider from his Fight Freaks Unite substack
and from Big Fight Weekend dot Com.

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Hello again, Dan, Raphael off
the weekend. How are we feeling as

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we begin Canello week? Happy Sunday? Yes it is. It is a

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happy Sunday for us, and we
did at least it was an action packed,

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knockout, early knockout field Golden Boy
card that we're going to talk about

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here in a little bit. Some
fight news to go over, am I

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correct? You have it here on
the rundown that a Lennox Lewis world title

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fight is the first one you ever
covered ringside and official capacity with USA Today

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or and or ESPN. And the
nostalgia is that it's this it's now am

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I close to correct on that?
It was my first fight as the official

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USA Today boxing writer. I had
covered a previous fight for USA Today a

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few years earlier when I was there
on a temporary loan from my previous newspaper.

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I had covered you know, other
abouts prior to that. But as

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like my job as a boxing writer, and that's all I did, was

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right out of boxing and got hired
like a couple of months before that fight,

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And that was my first fight that
the paper sent me out to go

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travel to New York for. And
as you mentioned, it was twenty three

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years ago Saturday, and it was
I don't remember what I did yesterday,

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but I have vivid memories of that
fight. There's a good tease that's coming

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up here in a few moments.
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As I mentioned the Golden Boys show
in Arlington, Texas that did go on

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despite the second postponement of the Ortiz
Stanionis fight that's now back on for a

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third time, they kept the card
together. William Zapeta, unbeaten lightweight was

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the headlining fighter and he delivered.
He delivered a huge knockout in this one,

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and it was early in the second
round in the main event. So

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that's primarily what we have to recap. Dan your thoughts on the conclusion of

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that Golden Boys show with the ko
by Zapeta. I've been watching Zapeta now

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for a little while and he's exciting. He's a great combination puncher. He's

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a very heavy duty with his output
of punches. He's a hard puncher.

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You know, most of his wins
are by knockout. Now after the knockout

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against Arbelada on Saturday Night twenty eight
with twenty four knockouts. He's a southpaw,

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which is never easy for your normal
orthodox fighter. You're going twenty six

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years old, probably not even in
his prime, yet in great condition.

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Exciting to watch. I mean,
he's a real He's a wild card if

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you will, in the division.
Because when you tell people a lightweights,

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they think Jivanti Davis, Devin Haney
the undisputed champ. They'll think Loma Chenko

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obviously him in. Loma and Haney
have a fight coming up in May for

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the undisputed title. You know,
you might think of George Cambosa's the former

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champion. Some people might think of
Ryan Garcia because he fought at one thirty

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six and the last fight, even
though he was going up to one forty

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to go back there to have another
fight in his when he whenever he decides

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to return. You know, it's
good. It's a good weight division.

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Shu. Course, Stevenson is on
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the weight class. There's a lot
of great names and interesting fights, and

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Zapeta kind of doesn't get a lot
of attention, doesn't get a lot of

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love. But let me tell you
something, he's gonna be right there in

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the thick of things. He's gonna
give any of these guys a tough fight.

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I mean, he may win against
some of those guys. He may

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lose against some of those guys,
but he's gonna be in there throwing heavy,

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hard punches, and he's gonna be
a dangerous opponent for anybody. I

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know. Arblada wasn't like the superstar
opponent, but he was a competent guy.

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He was moving up from one hundred
and thirty pounds, but he had

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won three fights in a row.
You know his he had previously been stopped

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by Chris Colbert in an interim title
fight back in twenty and twenty. But

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he was a pretty solid guy in
my estimation. I mean, not a

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bum at all, but he just
could not take the incredible body attack from

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Zapeta. You know, he got
in some head shots too, and he

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took those, okay, but that
body that body attack was just brutal.

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I mean, second round three knockdowns, pretty much combinations, but that the

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actual shots that put him on the
mat, the where the body punches,

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and you know, by the time
the third one was in the liver area,

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you know, he just wasn't getting
up and it was over and out

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two rounds. You know, if
you get the opportunity to headline like that.

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Remember, he was supposed to be
on the Tank Davis Ryan Garcia under

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card on pay per view, but
as you mentioned, when the Stanionis fight

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with Virgil Ortiz was postponed again Golden
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on his own alive, they took
Zepeta and they moved him into the main

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event, and you know, he
did his job. But the point is

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when you get matched up. I'm
not say he was mashed up soft,

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but when you get mashed up with
a guy that you're a heavy favorite to

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beat, go out there and and
make it so. You know, as

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Captain Card would say, make it
so. And he did just that.

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You know, um, you know, he didn't slide in the Star Trek

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next Generation reference there what you gotta
do, But he didn't know. He

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didn't he didn't mess around. He
got the job done. He did what

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he was supposed to do. He
looked good doing it against a competent opponent,

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and and I felt like that was, you know, a sort of

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a statement like, hey, I
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gonna make everybody sit up and pay
attention to me. I can punch,

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I'm in great shape. I'm willing
to fight anybody. He and his his

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team said that afterwards. Golden Boy
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any of these guys out there,
and that's all you can ask for.

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I mean, he's he's a guy
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very good weight class. And he's
a guy I mean we you know,

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we we ebb and flow with the
rankings, but he's ranked in the top

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five by the w BA. He's
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he was going into this fight maybe
ranked higher. Uh and then he's ranked

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fifth by the WBC. So he's
very relevant, big puncher, and we'll

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see we'll see what the him.
He also, he's putting together like a

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decent group of victories. He beat
the former title holder at one thirty Alvarado.

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He had come off, you know, going into the fight that he

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had Saturday, he had. He
didn't just beat Joseph Diaz Junior. He

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beat him easily in a completely one
sided decision, was basically a shutout.

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I think one judge might have given
Joe Jojo Diaz like one round or something

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like that. So he comes off
of those two wins in a row and

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now takes that Arboletta again. I
know, a smaller guy. I'm not.

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I don't want to get too carried
away about it, but you know,

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you keep racking up those wins,
he keep doing it impressively. I

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mean, if you watch that Jojo
Dz fight, he threw like what,

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I don't know, fourteen hundred punchers
or something like that. I mean,

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just wild amounts an output, and
uh, you know, it gets the

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job done. And I don't know
about you, but if you said to

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me you want to watch williams Epeta
match him up with you know, any

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number of lightweights, I'm like in
because he's he's exciting to watch. That's

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the thing. He's very exciting to
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things that I was thinking about.
In Sergio Mora, who was the commentator

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on the ZN'T also mentioned this,
and I'm right there with him because it

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was in my mind even before the
fight. You know, I don't think

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it will happen for many reasons.
But would I love to see is a

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paid against Isaac pitpol Cruz. How
great of a fight would that be?

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Yeah? They would, They would
obviously trade and look, well we'll see,

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as we were saying before, obviously
top ranked boxing and their fighters are

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involved in high level stuff with Hany
Lomachenko. What happens if if there's a

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rematch in that fight Shakour Stevenson is
looming. We get that. But in

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the next wave, like you're talking
about, you know, probably twenty twenty

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four is a pay to maybe in
that conversation all right, on the co

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feature, this was a wild I
saw some of this too. This was

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a wild second round KO by Victor
Morales over Diego de la Joya, the

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cousin of Oscar dal la Joya.
A bit of a surprise, I thought,

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a bit of a surprise, but
Morales scores the knock down and Diego

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dal Lajoia was rocked, hurt and
could not get up. So Dan,

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give me your thoughts in the recap
mode on that co feature fight in Texas

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Saturday night. Well Morales number one, he stays undefeated. Now he's eighteen

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o one with nine knockouts. Not
known as a big puncher, but he

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sure looked like a big puncher against
Diego de la Hoya. It was I

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guess you'd have to consider it an
upset Diego del Laya, the cousin of

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the Golden Boy president the Hall of
Famer. I mean, but to me,

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Diego de Lajoy, even though that's
a second loss, he's always I

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thought when he was coming up,
he looked very good against you know,

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uh, a middling level of opposition
as he stepped up slightly, you know,

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ever so slightly slowly but surely.
And he had a lot of problems

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with making first it was one hundred
and twenty two pounds. He had fights

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canceled and dropped out and people kind
of down on him. Then he lost

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a fight, still was having some
issues with the weight making even featherweight,

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and never really progressed in my opinion. I mean part of it. He

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was getting the benefit of doubt because
of the last name, obviously, and

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I don't I don't blame him for
that. But when you have that last

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name, that helps you get in
the door. But it's up to you

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to take advantage of the opportunities.
He has not done that. He has

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not done that. But Victor Morales
was calling him out and it seemed to

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be the right call because he went
in there. They had what I considered

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like a firefight, you know,
for a round and a half, and

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he put him out of there.
I mean, he really beat him up

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that second round. It's a very
good victory for him. Uh, Diego

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de la Joya, you know,
to me is a prospect that that became

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a suspect you know over the last
few fights. Um, hard to see

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him rebounding. I mean, it's
gonna be up to him. He's got

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the physical and mental wherewithal to try
to rebound from that. But that was

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a rough, rough loss. And
for victim Or Elis, I mean,

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you know, he's only twenty five
years old. Um, exciting win in

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in a nice weight class, I
mean, undefeated. You know, I

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don't know if he's gonna be like
a top level contender necessarily, but you

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know, the jury's out. As
long as he keeps doing what he's doing,

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he's got it. He can't I
I never interviewed him before. I

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don't know him, but I listened
to what he had to say in the

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interview. He came off as a
very likable guy in the post fight interview,

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like a guy you'd want to root
for and definitely would want to watch

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again. So, you know,
maybe Golden Boys got themselves another gem in

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a in a a good featherweight division, but there's a lot of opportunities possibly

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with four different title holders and all
with different promoters, and you know,

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some exciting matchups that that could be
out out there. He could fit in

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into that picture very nicely after a
very impressive victory like that. So,

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you know, the two fights in
the top of the show, we're both

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second round knockouts, but that doesn't
make it a bad show. They were

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enjoyable fights to watch, even if
they were quick, and you've got something

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to work with, whether it's the
rising career of Zapeta in the main event,

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or you know, a nice revelation
of what we saw Victor Morales able

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to accomplish against De la Joya in
the co feature. So a good night

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all around for those two guys.
All right, good enough on that.

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Okay, let's get to some news. Then we'll get to some nostalgia here,

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and this includes Jake Paul's Most Valuable
Promotions doing a deal as well with

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a Prospects series four de Zone that's
going to be coming up. So give

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me more on this and how soon
it's a Friday night series? How soon

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is all of this going to begin? The most Valuable Prospects is what they're

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gonna call the series. How soon
are we looking at? Well, it's

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gonna be four shows, twenty three
from what they announced a few days ago.

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The first show kicks off on Nate
twenty sixth. It's headlined by the

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lightweight that was a teenager still that
Jake Paul's company signed, named Ashton Silk

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from Long Beach, California's eight and
Oh with eight Knockouts. He was supposed

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to box on the undercard when Jake
Paul had his fight with Tommy Fury.

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I think he was. He got
ill and he had to pull off the

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show. So he hasn't fought since
the last fall, but he'll headline that

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card. It basically sounds like to
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in many ways, like the Zones
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Jake Paul. But they're gonna have
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company doesn't have a whole ton of
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people want to talk about Jake Paul's
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him, say he's bad for boxing. He fights MMA guys, he lost

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to the boxer. That's the boxing
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that. But in terms of the
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is a good thing because when you
get somebody of the name recognition and the

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significance of Jake Paul in the business, and he won to not only make

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money and do things for his own
career in his own self, you know,

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whether it's fighting Tommy Fury next up. He's supposed to have another fight

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with an MMA fighter in Nadaz this
summer, but he's looking to do other

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events and help elevate the level of
the younger fighters. And with his name

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recognition, if you can get behind
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the forefront. I believe that's a
great thing. So this series, it's

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four shows to start, so they're
not going crazy. It's modest start.

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All of the bouts, all four
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at the same location, which will
give it some continuity. It's called the

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carib Royal Resort in Orlando, Florida, TJ. You can be our beat

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writer and head up. You're not
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that is a place where Showbox has
held a couple of shows recently too,

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and there definitely is a fan base
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base there, as you well know. So it's interesting there that that's one

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of the places they would go and
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gonna they're gonna work with one of
the promoters that it's done a number of

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shows in that location called Box Lab
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there. So again, I think
it's a good thing. I mean,

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we have to see what the level
of the fights are. The sill fight

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that's going to headline in the May
twenty sixth event is I gotta be honest,

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it's not the most earth shaking main
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fighting a fighting him Angel Rebel R. Who was a very good amateur.

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But he's six and two or three
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You know. Again, it's going
to be growing pains, growing steps,

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see how they do. And to
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the announcement a couple of days ago
that they were doing the series for the

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last like probably month or so,
I kept hearing that Jake Paul was doing

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some kind of deal for a series
with the Zone. I wasn't sure what

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level of the fights would be.
Remember his fight that he's got on pay

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per view with Nadas is also in
conjunction with the Zone. One would have

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to assume that this was sort of
part of that overall deal to have them

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have rights to his next bout.
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me, it's a good thing for
the sport of boxing. When the Zone

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is making an investment, Jake Paul
is spending his time and efforts to try

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to raise up the level of these
younger fighters. If they have any kind

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of success the way a showbox has
had then hopefully weren't for some good fights.

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And speaking of the Diaz thing.
I mean, we've gone over this

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so many different ways with arrests and
what they might do. Fans may be

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aware that he has now turned himself
in in New Orleans and the video has

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been out there on social media of
at least part of a brawl in New

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Orleans that involves him. He says
it was self defense. He was charged

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with simple assault. Again, this
is all fluid. He is supposed to

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fight Jake Paul in a couple of
months. We'll see if it's any factor

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at all in their fight that is
supposed to be and helped me off top

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of my head. Their fights supposed
to be in Dallas, right right next

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Texas, right next to Louisiana.
And one more thing I was thinking when

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you were saying this. Jake Paul
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Professional Fighters League that he had as
with a stable of fighters there doing MMA

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fights. And he has openly said, I don't know that he said it

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recently that this whole thing with Nate
Diaz was to do two fights, the

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first one as a boxing match,
and then the next one will be some

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kind of modified MMA fight. I
don't know if it's in a cage or

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what they're going to do. But
it's part of the Professional Fighters League thing

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that he established. But my point
with that is he's an ownership of that

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PFL. He admits that his business
partners they're funding it. So you can

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knock a lot of different things,
but they're trying to get a lot of

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other people paid. And that's what
you're mentioning here, including with this Prospect

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series, with developing things and get
some fighters paid. That's the point he

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did it. I mean, he's
gotten paid himself now. He's he's always

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been sort of open minded and outspoken
about fighter pay. He's he's ragged on

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the UFC and Dana White about the
way that they handle their fighter pay.

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He took some of the women's box
like, you know, he promotes a

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man to Serranto, who's one of
the best women's boxers in the world.

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She's going to be in all of
fame someday. She's won world titles in

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seven different weight classes, which is
more than anybody ever in women's boxing,

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but she had never gotten that giant
level of payday. And when they were

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able to put together the Katie Taylor
fight, you know, his team helped

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Katie get a seven figure pay day, and uh, you know, she's

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made good money in her last few
fights, and presumably when she fights again,

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if she fights a man to Serranto, you know, in the rematch

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against Katie Taylor, at some point
there'll be another big payday. You know,

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we'll see. I think she's gonna
be on in a rematch against Heather

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Hardy on the Nate Diaz undercard.
I'm sure she'll be paid handsomely for that

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fight. Also, so listen,
people can bust on Jake Paul and say

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he's not a real fighter and all
the all the negativity that they that they

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put on him. All I know
is this, the guy goes in there

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and he trains hard, he tries
to win. You know, he did

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finally step up and fight a boxer. He lost a fight, he didn't

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make a lot of excuses about it. He's now fighting eight ds. People

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want to see it. It's going
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on the business side, he's giving
other fighters opportunities to go. I'm not

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really sure why everybody gets so mad
about that. I think it's a good

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thing. There you go, another
piece of news you are reporting because the

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date has been out there for Jared
real big Baby Anderson, the unbeaten heavyweight

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in the top rank stable the date
of what July first, has been out

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there. But now you want to
talk about the opponent that you've learned,

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so go ahead more with that.
Well sure, so, Jared of course

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has been fighting on these top rank
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I had him as my twenty twenty
one Prospect of the year. He's

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clearly the best American heavyweight prospect.
You can argue he's maybe the best heavyweight

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prospect in boxing that some might say
it's Jola la of the gold medal winner

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from the Olympics, and maybe a
couple other guys, but certainly he's in

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that elite level of up and comer. But now he's got his first main

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event as a pro and Top Rank
has taken him home to Toledo, Ohio

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on July first, which I reported
quite a while ago. But now they

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have an opponent for him. He's
fighting a fighter, a south Bot out

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of Kazakhstan who's nineteen to oh with
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You know, I can't say I
know a ton about him, but

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he looks formidable at least in terms
of on paper. But knowing top rank,

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they're bringing him, you know,
they're not bringing a guy to Toledo

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to get beat by, you know, to beat their future cash cow.

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But you know it is it appears
to be a step up, or at

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least at least a lateral step.
I mean, he did just fight Jerry

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Forrest, who was a you know, let's call him a fringe contender who

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has been in the ring with a
lot of quality guys and handled himself pretty

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well. But it's always exciting to
me when you take a younger fighter and

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you bring him home. There's something
to be said about creating a fan base

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in the person's hometown where no matter
whether it's ups or downs, there's always

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a place to go. They've been
doing it with Shakoor Stevens New Work,

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New Jersey. They did it years
ago with four examples as one of many

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examples. They did it with Terrence
Crawford in Omaha, Nebraska. They did

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it years before that with Kelly Pavlick
in Youngstown, Ohio. They have done

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it, you know, all through
the course of their existence. This is

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another example I fully expected in the
in the in the future, probably before

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the end of this year, even
at the early you know, maybe beginning

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of next year, we'll see them
do a fight card in Norfolk, Virginia

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for example, and bring key Shan
Davis to fight in front of the hometown

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having had a you know, sort
of big fights in Norfolk, Virginia since

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the early days of Parnell Whittaker.
So they're bringing Jared Anderson home to fight

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Kosa Botski. He's you know,
his his biggest win. I guess as

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a couple of fights ago. He
did stop in the fifth round Johan Duhoppish

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who for those who follow the heavyweight
division, you know, whatever you want

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to say, he did fight for
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stopped them in round eleven in two
thousand and fifteen. So there you can

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measure it sort of against the kind
of guys he's beaten her and been in

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the ring with. But the main
thing is they're going to create a buzz

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for Jared Anderson at home in Toledo, uh, you know where. It's

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not exactly like there's tons of big
league sports, are huge things going on

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in Toledo in the middle of the
time. So I would be willing to

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say to you that July first,
one of the biggest things going on in

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Toledo, Ohio. Toledo, Ohio
is going to be the homecoming nationally televised

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boxing match of their favorite heavyweights on
Jared Anderson. So I think that's a

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really cool thing when they can bring
them all in and we'll see, if

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you know, if you can keep
on keep it on. He's fourteen oh

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with fourteen knockouts. The money's probably
on fifteen to oh with fifteen knockouts,

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so we'll see what happens. The
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good news on that and again, yes,

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that's I mean, I think it's
fair to say he is the most

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recognizable heavyweight name right now in the
US because he's been active again. We

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keep hearing things about when Deontay Wilder
might fight again, But Deontay Wilder is

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basically fought part of one round over
the course of the last going on a

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year and a half or more,
and we don't know when he's fighting again.

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So this guy's of interest, at
least if you're a US fan in

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the heavyweight division. Speaking of the
heavyweights, why don't we get into the

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nostalgia. You just wetted our appetite
a little while ago that you covered Lennox

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Lewis's knockout win over Michael Grant a
ringside, and that is now twenty three

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years ago, So give me more
on the nostalgia. Twenty three years ago.

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Saturday is the anniversary of you covering
that, So give me some more

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on the nostalgia and what you remember
in the big event of of a world

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heavyweight title fight. I mean,
obviously, at this stage of my career,

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I've covered, you know, huge
amounts of fights over the years,

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but there's something to be said for
your first one. As you know,

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the official boxing writer for USA today. That was I don't know if it

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still is, but at the time
it was the number one newspaper in the

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United States. I had started my
job there in I'd gotten hired in February

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of two thousand. I started in
mid March of two thousand, you know,

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moved from where I was living in
upstate New York at the paper i

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worked there, and moved to Virginia
to begin my work there, you know,

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kind of get to lay of the
land. There really wasn't big fights

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going on at that moment in time. I think the biggest fight that occurred

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prior to my covering Lewis Grant after
I had gotten to USA today, there

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was a fight between Fernando Vargas and
I Quarte, which was a pretty big

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deal. I didn't actually travel to
Vegas for that fight. There was,

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you know, still like handling things
in the office and sort of you know,

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getting used to the to the to
the to the new surroundings, if

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you will. But when it came
time for the heavyweight championship between Lewis and

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Michael Grant. Michael Grant was an
undefeated number one contender. He had had

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a tremendous build up by HBO,
a tremendous athlete. A lot of people

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gave him a good chance to win
that fight. I got sent to New

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York City to cover that fight,
and you know, as I said earlier,

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I couldn't tell you what I did
like four or five days ago,

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but I just have so many vivid
memories that because I was so excited.

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It's Madison Square Garden, It's my
first you know, I didn't start off

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with like you know, people joke
with me at the time, like they

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couldn't start you off with like,
you know, you know, some super

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featherweight title fight in Biloxi, Mississippi. You know, I started with the

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heavyweight Championship of the World. That
New York Madison Square Garden like hallowed ground

405
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,440
for boxing history. I can still
remember going into the They had like the

406
00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:11,519
workouts during the fight week. They
held them inside the Madison Square Garden Theater,

407
00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:15,559
which is the smaller arena that's on
ground level at at you know where

408
00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:18,039
the big arenas upstairs where the New
York Knicks playing all that, but the

409
00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:19,839
small arena where I've covered tons of
fights now, they had a ring set

410
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,160
up and that's where they did the
workouts. But I went in there and

411
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,400
I met a lot of people for
the first time, including who became you

412
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,319
know, my dear friend Emmanuel Stewart, who was Lennox's trainer at the time,

413
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:36,519
and have those memories. And you
know, Lennox looked awesome that night.

414
00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:38,480
I mean he stopped Michael Grant in
two rounds with the massive uppercut.

415
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:45,039
Lennox was just a dominating figure.
Michael Grant looked absolutely patrified and was like

416
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:48,279
you just kind of ran into the
the propeller of the helicopter to get it

417
00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:49,920
over with, and uh, you
know, he was never the same after

418
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,160
that. They mean, he never
he never really recovered from that loss.

419
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,960
He you know, he fought some
other significant fights stuff, you know,

420
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,960
over the next few years, but
not even close to what he had been

421
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,160
going into that. I am curious. So this was HBO right in those

422
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,400
the fight was on though, this
fight was actually an HBO pay per view.

423
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,839
F HBO pay per view. But
that's Jim Lampley, Larry Merchant.

424
00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:11,079
So this is the first time that
you're around all this at the Garden.

425
00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:15,599
How wide eyed was a young reporter, Dan Rayfield to just be standing there

426
00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:19,160
goal on, Holy crap, that's
HBO pay per view right there, this

427
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,920
was Garden. Here comes Lennox Lewis. You had to be a little bit.

428
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,680
I was super excited. I mean, it was it was back then.

429
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,200
It wasn't even called HBO pay per
view. It was still called tv

430
00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:34,079
KO. Now back up to October
thirty, first Halloween Night of nineteen ninety

431
00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:38,480
eight, I had been on this
temporary assignment at USA Today for four months

432
00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:41,720
through a program that had within the
Gennette company, and I had worked for

433
00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:45,119
another Genette paper, so I did
get sent to USA today work to work

434
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,319
there for four months, which is
how I ended up winding back there as

435
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,960
a full time person. So I
had covered one fight while I was on

436
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,359
that loan, which was Prince Nasim
Hamed versus Wayne McCullough. So on that

437
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,039
night in Atlantic City, I did
briefly meet people like Jim Lampley and and

438
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:03,039
Larry Merchant and some of the other
folks there, but to go back and

439
00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:04,920
to cover Lewis Grant as now,
it's like, I'm it's my full time

440
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,720
job. I'm not gonna have to
leave after a few months and go back

441
00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:11,519
to bring him to New York.
Um, I was super excited. So

442
00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:15,119
it wasn't so much about seeing or
meeting those folks again because I hadn't met

443
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,480
them before. But yeah, I
was wide eyed. I mean, I'm

444
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,240
sitting in the front row at Madison
Square Garden for the Heavyweight Championship of the

445
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:22,000
World. It was a thrill of
a I mean, I mean, I'm

446
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,920
I don't want to like get a
sappy and emotional and all that, but

447
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,480
it was like the thrill of a
lifetime. I mean, I've never I've

448
00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:33,119
never once in the twenty three years
that have taken place after that, ever

449
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,960
taken for granted the ability to go
cover these fights and sit ringside and get

450
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,799
a chance to do what I do. But that was the first one.

451
00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:45,200
And not only was it seeing uh
you know that type of uh event,

452
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,160
you know, with with Lennox.
I mean, it wasn't a memorable fight

453
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,920
for most people, but for me, it's like one of the most memorable

454
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,640
because you know, he he just
blew the guy out in two rounds.

455
00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:56,039
But you have to think about what
else was on that card. You have

456
00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:02,200
the Vladimir Klitchko fought on the underc
hard who became one of the all time

457
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,119
great heavy h who I have now
known for a very long time. We're

458
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,799
had to talk more about an anniversary
with him in a minute too, but

459
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,640
keep going. Yes, a matter
of fact, you know, Vladimir Klitchko

460
00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:15,559
just this past weekend for Ukraine political
reasons, spent some time in Washington,

461
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,839
DC, which is not too far
from Marlett, and Vladimir and I were

462
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,160
texting back and forth with each other. The point is, even after all

463
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,759
these years, I still do keep
we still do keep in touch. With

464
00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:27,920
one another. So that week was
the first time I ever met Vladimir Klitchko.

465
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,559
And also anybody that knows me,
or follows me, or has ever

466
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:33,640
read me no is my all time
favorite fighter. Ever as our Taro Gotti,

467
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:37,119
well, our Taro Gotti was on
that pay per view also, so

468
00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:41,240
I got a chance in my first
This is coincidental that two of the fighters

469
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,279
that I grew to become huge fans
of and respect and love our Taro Gotti

470
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:48,039
and Vladimir Klitchko and Lennox Lewis by
the way, who my cat is named

471
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:51,720
after. Lennox the cat, I
mean, all of them on the same

472
00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:55,960
show, my first one. So
I mean it was a huge deal in

473
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,920
my life, what can I say? And by the way, we keep

474
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,279
making jokes about this, the nostalgia
and what we do here on the podcast

475
00:29:02,319 --> 00:29:04,039
Speed. Yeah, they actually used
to have pay per views with three two

476
00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:08,240
three world title fights and huge names. That's how it was done back in

477
00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:11,200
the day and even in this in
this day in two thousand, Okay,

478
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:17,559
so move forward to twenty seventeen.
You've told the story before, but just

479
00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:21,279
reiterate a little bit of it here. You were there at Wembley Stadium for

480
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:26,400
Anthony Joshua and Vladimir Klitschko, which
again the anniversary was Saturday, as we

481
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,839
released this podcast off the weekend the
same twenty ninth go ahead. Yes,

482
00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:33,200
yeah, well, I mean the
Lewis Grant and Klitzko on that undercard April

483
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:38,160
twenty ninth, two thousand. Joshua
versus Klichko haveavy weight championship fight at the

484
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,920
end of Ladimir's career April twenty ninth, twenty seventeen. Look, it was

485
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,920
the fight of the year, but
that was a huge deal. Ninety thousand

486
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,519
people at Wembley Stadium at the time, the biggest crowd they had had for

487
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:52,799
a fight there. I mean,
it was eclipsed a few years later when

488
00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:56,319
Tyson Fury had the fight with Dylan
White. That was because the promoters,

489
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,920
you know, got an ability,
you know, they were given a variance,

490
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,160
if you will, to allow even
more people into the stadium to watch

491
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,839
the fight. So they ended up
having ninety four thousand. But I would

492
00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:11,319
say to anybody ninety ninety four thousand, it's all the same because the atmosphere

493
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:15,079
is just incredible. I've covered a
lot of fights over the years, and

494
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:18,599
I have to say that that fight, that that whole fight week, and

495
00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:22,559
I give credit to Matchroom Boxing and
to Eddie Hearn and the boxers. I

496
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:26,200
mean, it was just an absolutely
incredible fight week. It turned out to

497
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,880
be the fight of the year in
twenty seventeen. But I have a lot

498
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,599
of great memories. You know,
there was actually, believe it or not,

499
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:34,000
there was a number of American boxing
media that traveled to the UK for

500
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:37,480
that fight. There was probably i'd
say about a half a dozen of us

501
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,400
that were there. But I got
there, I want to say, like

502
00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:45,920
on Tuesday morning of the fight week, I believe, and they had at

503
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,039
the Wembley Arena, which is across
the street from the Wembley Stadium, which

504
00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:52,200
there's been lots of fights there.
Sort of like I just mentioned about how

505
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,640
they had to workout for Michael Grant
and Lennox Lewis and the Madison Square Guard

506
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,400
Theater, whereas the full the full
card in the fight took place in the

507
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:03,440
Big Arena upstairs. The fight week
for Joshua versus Kletchko. Yeah, obviously

508
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,720
the fight was taking place at the
Big Stadium, but across the street to

509
00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:10,000
Wembley Arena. That's where they had
things like the workout in the way in

510
00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:12,519
and some of the other stuff.
So I had gone to the workout in

511
00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:17,519
my good buddy Lance Pugmier, who
at the time was working for the Los

512
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:19,400
Angeles Times. We were the two
American guys that had gotten there earlier.

513
00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:26,440
And it's a weird thing the way
the British fighters work with the media.

514
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:32,960
They'll do a media like a you
know, an availability where they only let

515
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,839
the British press in and the Americans
or anybody else not allowed. But then

516
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,839
they'll do a separate one for the
other guys. The Yanks, as were

517
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,759
known, the Yanks not allowed and
you don't mean New York Yankees, but

518
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:45,359
the Yanks were not allowed, Okay, yes, So they would do that

519
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,000
with Lennox, They did it with
Ricky Hatton, they did it with Joe

520
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:51,160
Calzaggie, they did it with Prince
Nasim. It was just like a thing.

521
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,920
And as I come to find out, and the reason why, because

522
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,720
the Americans would never put up with
this shit is the Brits basically would decide

523
00:31:56,759 --> 00:32:00,240
what we're gonna write on a given
day, and all the newspaper was would

524
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,160
write the same sort of version of
the story, whatever the topic was.

525
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:05,799
On this day we're writing about the
trainer. On this day we're writing about

526
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:07,759
this, and this day were writing
about that. You couldn't get two American

527
00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:10,559
writers to agree, much less six
or eight or ten to agrant that we

528
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:14,079
all do our own thing. But
the point was they kept us out of

529
00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:19,279
those sessions so we wouldn't use the
quotes or whatever in our stories that would

530
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:22,240
go before a British writer might write
the piece. That's the way they did

531
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,039
it. But the point was,
so they're running late for the workouts,

532
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:30,119
which is not unusual, and Anthony
is in the locker, you know,

533
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:35,000
in the back room they're doing his
media availability with the British press and me

534
00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:37,960
and Lance are waiting, and they
told us, you know, the match

535
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,599
room pr folks, my man Anthony
lever props then for taking care of this,

536
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:44,680
that we would definitely get our time
with Joshua. But the time is

537
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,000
ticking and the workouts ring lane.
We're sort of like we're the only two

538
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:51,319
Americans. There was nobody else there. He's gonna take all the time with

539
00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:52,319
the Brits. He's gonna come and
do the workout. We're gonna kind of

540
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:54,880
get screwed in at that point,
really we had nothing, and you know,

541
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,039
our companies that spent a lot of
money to send us to cover this

542
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:02,319
event, and you know we kind
of need Joshua. All the Brits come

543
00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:07,519
out and they sent me in Lance
in just the two of us, So

544
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:10,759
it was Lance, Pugmyer, Raypheel, Joshua, Eddie Hearn and I want

545
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:15,200
to say it was like either maybe
like Anthony's brother or a buddy or somebody

546
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:21,079
just sort of sitting in the back
hanging out and h it was absolutely fantastic.

547
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:24,279
It was the two of us had
Joshua for like he had to give

548
00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:28,720
us a half an hour. It
was phenomenal. He I never forget this.

549
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:31,680
He was mimicking punches and like kind
of like shadow boxing as we're sitting

550
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,039
there, and he went to throw
a punch and when I tell you,

551
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,920
we missed my chin by about a
half an inch. He missed my chin

552
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:38,799
buy about half an inch. And
you know, there are a lot of

553
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:44,759
people throughout your career that have hoped
and had fantasies about the opportunity to connect

554
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:46,880
on that punch. But you're saying, Joshua, he wasn't. Yeah,

555
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,839
he wasn't hoping to connect. He
was actually very good natured and really cool.

556
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,039
But so that was just a great
memory of that particular event. And

557
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:57,200
then of course, you know,
with Klitchko being on the card, I

558
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,359
mean I become you know, not
with Clitchco, but I had known him

559
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:04,400
a long time, had written hundreds
of thousands of words about him, had

560
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,800
covered his career for many many years
in very great detail. And his brother

561
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,039
and Vitality was there also, who
I had a chance to talk to.

562
00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:15,039
It was just a fantastic The whole
week was great. And then the fight

563
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:16,480
night, what can you say,
the fight of the year, And I

564
00:34:16,519 --> 00:34:20,440
mean, I don't think Anthony Joshua
peeked quite honest. We've discussed this has

565
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,239
never been the same since that you
had life that moment. We've covered this

566
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:28,079
before, but I've never asked you
this part. When Joshua got knocked down,

567
00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:30,840
which he did, did you,
as you recollect, did you have

568
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,679
a moment where you thought Klitchko's gonna
knock him out? Yeah, flash to

569
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,679
you, clich goes going to do
this coming out of a lengthy two or

570
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:44,440
three years out of the ring,
did you have that flash moment ringside Wimbley

571
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:46,639
six years ago. Well, he
hadn't been out of there in quite that

572
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:50,760
long, but he had not fought
since the loss the Tyson fury, which

573
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,159
was a loss, but it was
such a horrible fight, and it was

574
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:57,519
a decision that it was like it
almost I'm not saying he doesn't count.

575
00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:01,119
It counts obviously, but it wasn't
like either guy fought a brilliant fight that

576
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,119
night, and neither guy fought extremely
well. So it came back for the

577
00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:07,679
Joshua fight, which was such a
big fight. By the way, remember

578
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:09,880
in the United States sky Box Office
on pay per view in the UK,

579
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,599
but in the United States at that
time, Showtime still had rights to Joshua

580
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:19,559
and Vladimir was still under it was
under contract to HBO and so yes,

581
00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:23,079
they had teamed up to do the
joint pay per view between Tyson and Lewis

582
00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:28,760
Day had teamed up years later to
do the obviously the mega pay per view

583
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,840
between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacap,
but because they both had rights to Joshua

584
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,440
and to Klitschko, this was not
a pay per view in the United States.

585
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:37,920
They worked out where they had to
work together on this one too.

586
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:44,039
They both had their broadcast teams at
ringside, and my memory serves Showtime showed

587
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:47,480
the fight live on showtime, like
around six o'clock the way, you know,

588
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,440
because it was British the local time, and HBO showed it in primetime

589
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,679
on a very brief replay at like
nine o'clock at night. So both networks

590
00:35:55,679 --> 00:36:01,400
showed that fight, which is highly
unusual in any event. Remember Klitchko got

591
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,519
knocked down in the fifth round.
Remember that fight. It became the fight

592
00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:08,039
of the year in twenty seventeen.
The first like four rounds were just sort

593
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:12,760
of average, but it was after
that that it became like this epic classic.

594
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,559
And it started with Joshua putting Klitchko
on the mat in round number five.

595
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:21,079
He came back and knocked down very
hard Joshua and round number six,

596
00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:23,159
and when he knocked him down in
round six, and when he got up

597
00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:27,079
in the round continued, I thought
at the moment, and again I was

598
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:30,760
sitting six feet from the ring,
right there in the middle, I thought,

599
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,760
this fight's over. I thought he's
gonna go get him, because there's

600
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,360
not been in my mind. I
mean, there's others maybe on par but

601
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,559
Vladimir Klitschko has you heard he's one
of the great finishers of all time.

602
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,000
The two times he couldn't get the
job done finishing in my mind, when

603
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,840
he had a guy in bad shape
was this fight against Anthony Joshua and then

604
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,119
if he go way back to his
first fight against Laymon Brewster when they were

605
00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:53,199
fighting for the vacant w BO heavyweight
title, also a fight that I was

606
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:57,119
at in Las Vegas. He had
him battered around and he couldn't stop me

607
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,000
ended up getting sopped himself. And
this was a similar situation in the center

608
00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:02,480
that he ultimately got stopped. But
it became this great back and forth battle

609
00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:07,360
until Joshua the younger man, filled
with confidence he had gotten off the deck

610
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,719
in round five. Vladimir was over
forty years old. I mean, he's

611
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,239
still fighting well, but you know, it takes its toll when you get

612
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,320
that deep into a fight, and
he stopped. You know, he dropped

613
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,360
the two times in round eleven and
end of the fight, and it was

614
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:25,440
just an extraordinarily dramatic, superb fight
in an incredibly memorable atmosphere. You know,

615
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:34,280
ninety thousand people outside a beautiful night
in London, and you know it's

616
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,000
up there for me when I think
about the great atmospheres at events I've covered,

617
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,679
I can't say it's necessarily number one, but it's on the level of

618
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:51,079
Lewis Tyson and Mayweather Hatton and Mayweather
Canello and even Canello Billy Joe Soners with

619
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:54,480
seventy six thousand or whatever it was
in the at and T Stadium, the

620
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,199
biggest of the biggest events I have
covered in terms of the excitement and the

621
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:05,760
dry in the atmosphere, Joshua versus
Plichko in that Fight of the year is

622
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,440
certainly at or near the very top
of that list. Love the nostalgian.

623
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:15,719
You did make reference to Amanda Serrano
and Katie Taylor in a thrilling Madison Square

624
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:21,599
Garden main event. That's arguably it
is the most attention getting women's world title

625
00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:24,400
fight that we've ever had. It
delivered on all the action. That was

626
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:30,039
a year ago on Sunday. It
was April thirtieth of last year at the

627
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:32,760
Garden, So this is an interesting
way to close out Sopril with all the

628
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,000
nostalogy. Yeah, that on that
Katie Taylor Serranto, that was a great

629
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fight. Of course. I actually
that same night I was in Las Vegas

630
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:46,119
at the unification fight at junior lightweight
between sa Cour Stevens and Oscar Valdez.

631
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,239
But I remember the way that that
show was structured in terms of the timing

632
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,239
of the fights. I had my
laptop at you know, in the press

633
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,719
area open and we had the zone
on, and I was my you know,

634
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,119
there was a little break in the
action, and so myself and you

635
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:04,280
know, four other four or five
other of the folks that were there with

636
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,440
me, we watched on my laptop
just as fans really super excited to watch

637
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:10,880
Toronto and Katie do their thing.
And then we had Shakourse Stevenson with his

638
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,320
brilliant performance against Valdez to unify the
titles, you know, on that night

639
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,559
in Las Vegas. And the reason
I had done that was because I was

640
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:22,119
staying. I stayed the week.
I went to cover the Valdez Shakur fight

641
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:24,440
on that Saturday, and then I
just stayed the entire week because the following

642
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:31,519
Saturday was the Canelo I believe it
was was a Canelo Alvarez versus Bevil Canelo

643
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:37,159
beevil last year, yes, last
yeah, yeah, exactly after he had

644
00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:39,679
beaten Plant at November, he fought
Beevil for the light heavyweight title. Correct,

645
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,800
right, So I just I did
the back to back and basically just

646
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,760
lived in the MGM for like nine
I remember we kept bothering you us in

647
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,559
room service. I kept having you
on on the podcast and and all the

648
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:52,239
stuff that we were doing. So
yes, great nostalgia on that. Okay,

649
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:57,320
so perfect segue to end it.
Now we're to Canelo week. Canello's

650
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,800
returned to Mexico to fight John Ryder
undisputed one hundred and sixty eight pound title.

651
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:06,159
That's going to be a bulk of
this week's discussion. We're looking forward

652
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,280
to previewing it obviously later in a
week. Again, we encourage everybody go

653
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:14,280
back and listen to Canelo on the
previous podcast just before this one. I

654
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,239
thought one interesting thing that came out
of that that a lot of people are

655
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:22,039
writing and talking about, is he
put it out there he wants to go

656
00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:29,119
up to light heavyweight to fight Bivol. And I'm interested in Bivol's response to

657
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:32,519
that, because, like we have
discussed, and you interviewed Dmitri recently too,

658
00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:37,119
what's in it for him in a
rematch other than more money? Yes,

659
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:42,800
except that can I move down?
Maybe and beat Canello for all of

660
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,920
his belts at one sixty eight and
prove that because if you stay, I

661
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,960
understand Bibo's mentality potentially is if I
stay at one seventy five and beat him

662
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,320
again, that doesn't really prove anything
in the ring that I didn't already prove

663
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:57,519
unless I knock him out. So
that's an interesting back and forth that Keelo

664
00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:00,639
said to you, I want to
move up and find him at heavyweight for

665
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:05,400
his title. It's going to be
interesting because Canello wants to fight for the

666
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,039
title at one seventy five, Beevo
wants to fight for all the belts at

667
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:10,920
one sixty eight. He feels that's
more of a motivating factor. And people

668
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,679
can listen not only to the Cannello
interview on the previous podcast episode, but

669
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,920
they go back a couple of weeks
ago. I had twenty five minutes with

670
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,280
Dmitri Bevo where we discussed, you
know, his year, his career,

671
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:24,800
coming off Fighter of the Year,
the prospect of what he's going to be

672
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,639
doing this summer or later, you
know, his desires to fight better b

673
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,239
of and also Canello, etc.
And he made the point and he said

674
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,719
this in the interview. His sort
of way that he thinks they could maybe

675
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,159
split the baby if they have that
sort of disagreement about which way class to

676
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:43,639
fight in, is they could fight
at one hundred and sixty eight pounds and

677
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:49,119
put both of the titles at stake. Put Cannello's super middleweight titles and Beevo's

678
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:52,440
light heavyweight titles. Certainly not unprecedented. He can go back and see how

679
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,880
they handled Sugar Ray Leonard against Don
Lalan. You can go back and take

680
00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:00,760
a look from a couple of years
ago how they handled Ervante Davis again Leo

681
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,719
Santa Cruz. It's not I mean, it's it's kind of a I won't

682
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,119
call it cheap, but it's it's
sort of a way to overcome that aspect

683
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:12,599
of if you want to put both
titles at stake. So theoretically they could

684
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:15,519
fight at one sixty eight and they
could have both the light heavyweight title and

685
00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:20,559
the super middleweight titles at stake.
That might be a way to get that

686
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,360
part of it done. But look, you know, before any of that,

687
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:25,400
I mean, we all think that
Cannello's gonna beat John Ryder fair enough,

688
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,280
but he's got to do it.
He's got to go out there and

689
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,159
do the got to do the job
before you can start getting too much thought

690
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:35,840
going on as far as how it's
going to work for a rematch with Dmitri

691
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,960
Vibo. All right, good enough. So it is Canello week. We're

692
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:42,079
gonna get to that. There are
some other fights too, coming, not

693
00:42:42,199 --> 00:42:45,840
just this week, but in May
that we're very interested in. Goodbye April

694
00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:49,480
already, we're done. We're done
with April as we head into a new

695
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,079
week. Great stuff here, Dan
Raphael, anything else enclosing? Well,

696
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,880
I was gonna say next week,
being that it's the single Demia weekend,

697
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,719
and when it comes time for us
to discuss all on nostalgia there we got

698
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,199
about ten thousand fights to pick from, no doubt. And speaking by the

699
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:06,679
way, I was just thinking,
by the way, because Canello's fights in

700
00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:08,920
Guadalajara, and I am not traveling
for that fight, and I don't think

701
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,519
most of the American press is traveling. I would have been nice to go

702
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:15,719
there. I gotta say, this
is probably gonna be like the other than

703
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,800
during the height of the pandemic in
the last twenty something years. This is

704
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,360
gonna be the first time I'm home
on Singo Demyo weekend. Like in other

705
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,960
words, I can watch the Kentucky
Derby in my house as opposed to in

706
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,079
some other locations somewhere else in the
United States. Is a rare thing to

707
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:37,880
be home on Singo demoting. And
don't forget the Gervante Davis sentencing is on

708
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:43,599
Sinco de Mayo on the fifth in
Baltimore for the hit and run charges,

709
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:47,599
the felony hit and run plea agreement
charge. So that sentencing, we believe

710
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,599
he is going to be to jail
time may have just won his pay per

711
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:54,719
view. Stay tuned. I'm not
making any prediction that I just don't know

712
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,599
the answer that you never know what's
going on behind the scene. And again

713
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,119
you know there are no guarantees.
But like we have talked about it,

714
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:07,920
like we have said, the previous
judge rejected the previous plea deal because it

715
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:12,119
had no jail time. So now
there is a new plea deal. That's

716
00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:15,559
what leads everybody to believe. And
this is a different judge the second goal

717
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:21,119
round. It's another female judge in
Baltimore County. But the belief is she

718
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:24,599
accepted the plea agreement, she set
the sentencing date and the belief is she's

719
00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:28,840
going to sentence into jail time.
So let's just thirtify one thing. To

720
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,719
the best of my nudge, there
was no actual plea agreement. He agreed

721
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:36,480
to plead guilty, but not because
he knew what the sentence was going to

722
00:44:36,519 --> 00:44:38,800
be. Well, now the plea
agreement is to the charges, but not

723
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:43,519
the sentence. You're right, there
is no plea agreement on this is your

724
00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:46,480
sentence. And what will happen just
one more time touching on this is the

725
00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:52,840
prosecution will make a recommendation. And
the prosecution understands the previous judge told us

726
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,519
it's got to have jail time.
So the prosecutor is more than likely going

727
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:00,679
to stand up and recommend jail time, and then the offense is going to

728
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,679
argue, no, it shouldn't be, and then it's up to the judge.

729
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,199
And all of that happens on Friday. And she'll also, by the

730
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,559
way, here from the victims in
the case, they have a chance to

731
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:15,159
speak at sentencing. All of that
literal courtroom drama, all the use SAPs

732
00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:17,519
out there that watch all these Law
and Order and all these other courtroom dramas,

733
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:23,119
this is real life courtroom drama coming
in Baltimore on Friday for this to

734
00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:29,679
happen. And the very real possibility
is she bangs the gavel and Jervonte Davis

735
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:32,679
goes to the Baltimore County jail after
this happens, So stand by. We'll

736
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,199
wait to see if that is the
case. I mean, you want to

737
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,639
talk about a juxtaposition. One week
ago, Javanti Davis is on top of

738
00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:42,920
the world. He's knocked out Ryan
Garcia in the biggest fight of the year,

739
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,559
and you know, the money's pouring
into his bank account. And a

740
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:50,400
week later he's going to stand in
front of a judge and has a good

741
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,360
chance to have his freedom taken away
for a period of time. Welcome,

742
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:57,639
welcome to it all right, So
there's plenty, there's plenty off the fight

743
00:45:57,639 --> 00:46:00,559
Freaks Unite recap, my friend.
Let's get ready for LLO week. I

744
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:04,559
appreciate you as always, and we
look forward to everything that's going to be

745
00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:07,519
happening in the month of May that
starts right now as we release the podcast

746
00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:10,039
into Monday. It's May. And
if our people who are listening, if

747
00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:14,000
they enjoy it, please leave a
review for us, yes, because that

748
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:16,719
does help us as well, a
five star review helps take thirty seconds to

749
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:21,000
do that. Under Apple Podcast,
more and more people are finding the podcast.

750
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:23,400
Tell them how wonderful Raypeel is.
If you look, if you're enjoying

751
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:28,239
hearing from the likes of Canelo Alvarez, Ryan Garcia, one on one,

752
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,320
etc. Say so, help us
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753
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and we have moved up in the rankings.

754
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So go leave us a rating and
review like Dan is saying on Apple

755
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Podcast as well. With that,
my friend, have a good week Thank

756
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:45,280
you Dan, Raypeel. All right, Dan, you have a good rest

757
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,440
of your weekends. There we go. There is our insider Fight Freaks Unite

758
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759
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