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Listening to the downbeat. I'm ninety
seven one the freak quick update on this

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Baby Reindeer show on Netflix. I
forgot to mention, by the way,

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it's a true story, and the
main actor in it, the bartender guy

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that I was telling you about,
the guy that gets stalked, he actually

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wrote the story about a personal experience
that happened in his own life, all

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right, but probably spiced it up
quite a bit. Who knows, maybe

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not one hundred percent of rotten tomatoes. You got me, you got me,

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damn it. I'm in Baby Reindeer
on Netflix. And one good thing

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about it. I think it's seven
episodes long or seven episode limited series,

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and each episode is no more than
forty two minutes, right, So it's

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a quickie. So he had a
pumped up guest joining us at about a

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half an hour. It's my brother
Cash. He and I were at the

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spear at these fish shows. I
it won't be too much fish necessarily,

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It's more just a sphere review.
I think that's a far more broad topic

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that people are probably curious about.
But it's gonna be a fish talk too

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in a little bit of Vegas.
So Cash he'll be joining us here in

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just a few minutes. I told
make a job. He's making a coffee.

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I don't know. He may jump
on with us because we have another

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guest joining us right now. We're
gonna talk Mavericks. We did at seven

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o'clock. It's sports at seven.
It's eight thirty now. And when you

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can book a man this handsome,
and you trick him into doing it on

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a zoom link so you get to
look at him. He can't see us,

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can't see he can't see how aged
we are, and we're not the

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beefcakes that he remembers. He's dabbing, he's flexing his all. It is

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Mike the machine, Marshall, the
VP of content. I never know.

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I must text you what's your title
now? Or what is it again?

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It doesn't matter, man, VP
of content. That sounds like a corner

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suite. No, there's no I
don't. I don't have a door at

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all. Can I ask you a
person zero doors? Question Mike Marshall,

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VP of Content for the MAVs that
for some reason the last like three weeks

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has been bothering me. Go for
Mike, does your car still the front

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door? Does it still have that
click when you open that. I'll tell

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you. I'll tell you how that
situation got resolved. A tree, a

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tree in my driveway like lost a
giant branch and fell on the hood.

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Uh huh uh. And it didn't
like, you know, impale the car

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anything, but it was pretty good
damage. And I was like, yeah,

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that happened the same time, fixed
both the best, and they did.

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I was like, doubleway at me, it works almost every time that

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strategy sometimes like yeah, no it
didn't because they can see, especially if

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it's like a dent and they see
rust that's already developed on it that hadn't

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been attended to in like two years. Yeah, this was a year apart

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at least. And I was like, both both fixed. He had a

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brand new Gee Patriot and he did
something and I remember it was like the

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loudest metallic clank whenever he opened his
driver's door. Which needless that that happened

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at Stinking Jake's Lake House. The
one time I've been out there, someone

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like backed into the crease of my
door and I just have to live with

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this, and no one owned up
to it at like one am. Inside

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is yeah, and I'm just like, all right, guys, cool,

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I guess I just live with this
burden for the rest of my existence.

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But yeah, they got fixed.
Thank you, that's the first thing,

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clear up. And and also thank
you for a biting by my one and

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only rule, which is, uh, don't put me in a room broadcast

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uh scenario in general with Kevin Turner
ever, No, yeah, we knew

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your policy. You should see our
text exchanges. It's like, dude,

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you want to can you jump on
tomorrow? I want to talk some abs

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and he's like, KITCHI question mark. I'm like, yeah, Katy's here,

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and then just no response. But
now that Kat's gone, we get

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him. He's like, what time
you need? What multiple segments? May

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do the whole show six am.
It's crazy, Like, yeah, we're

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reaching out the machine today and like
our text message conversations turned from green to

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blue when Kevin's out of town.
Yeah, it's crazy. Instantly, Well,

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I made the mistake earlier reporting that
Penny Marshall was at the game last

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night, and apparently she's been dead
since twenty eighteen. Look, it happens,

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did you know that? I mean, I think in the spirit spirit.

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So we got Penny's grandson, Mike
Marshall, to join us in the

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Mavericks. He loves it. Yeah, I played pretty low key, but

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I'm worth a lot of money.
He loves the Clippers. Not gonna lie

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a lot of active money, no
money. Mike has been one of the

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bigger MAVs fans. I've known since
I've lived here and knew all about him

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long before you ever worked for the
team. So it's just a perfect little

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mix that you are now on the
inside with the Dallas Mavericks. And yeah,

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anytime I can get you on and
talk a little hoops, we try

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to take that opportunity, and we
did it earlier today. Man, But

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I mean life is good, dude. That was a huge win last night.

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I'll just start with the probably the
biggest talking point of the day.

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I don't know if we've seen a
defensive NBA game like that in a decade

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or three decades. What are your
thoughts, man? Were you surprised that

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that? I guess that game as
a hole just looked the way it did.

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Yeah, I mean you could tell
pretty early on they were gonna let

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them play a little bit. The
officials in terms of physicality, guys diving

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on the floor, doing the old
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basketball that you do and pickup,
which usually starts fights. It's it was

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weird. It was a weird tempo. No one was really settling in.

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Everyone's out of the rhythm, and
you're like, okay, this is gonna

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be this is gonna be a slobbery
match, Like they're just gonna like body

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on body physicality for the entire game. And whoever withstands it and is like

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still willing to play basketball the last
three minutes is probably gonna win. And

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luckily we got a couple good shots
in there. PJ knock down a quarner

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three. Luca got out at the
right time. Is always ready for that

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moment. So our guys just stood
in there longer. It was just gonna

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be, you know, eleven rounds
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like intense basketball because they were both
teams looked like they were about to tap

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out. That's how physical it was
and how long they were. They were

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banging on each other. And the
only one on the Clippers that seemed to

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like still want that still be in
for that was Paul George at the end,

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and everybody else was kind of like
walking up, not really staying connected

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defensively, and it just I didn't
seen a game like that in a long

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time, especially from this team.
That's not how we win. That's not

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how we you know, went on
that whatever it was fourteen and one run

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at one point. But to go
into a road environment in which a team

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like that has all these stars,
they're gonna dictate kind of the pace and

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the way they want to play and
say, cool, I can play that

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way too, and I'll beat you
at it. And to split two road

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games again a team in which I
think they've thrown just about their best defensive

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efforts at US twice in a row. That's awesome, man. That's that

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shows you like they can they can
win any style, they can win anyway.

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They've got the depth. I mean, the big guys aren't even playing

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well yet, right, They're not
in a rhythm at all. They've enjoyed

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the series yet outside of Maxi,
And so yeah, it's super encouraging,

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man, because when you get into
those those wrestling matches and it's just okay,

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you don't want to be the guy
who loses that. You don't just

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like when you go to overtime or
double overtime, like that loss is more

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than just one loss. To me, it feels like more than one loss.

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Okay, machine for people that Mike
and I were talking about this earlier,

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and I never really felt like that
game was decided until it was,

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like mathematically decided. It could have
gone either way and it was a slugfest.

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I don't know if either team can
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for seven games, worst case scenario. What is it going to take to

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get the MAVs to look like you
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rhythm yet, and we're so used
to seeing this team play with a lot

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of perimeter ball movement, with a
lot of flow, aythm, a lot

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of rhythm. The offense just looks
kind of like it's it's like artful in

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a way. We haven't seen that
yet. Do you see the Mavericks being

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able to get into that kind of
rhythm? And what's it gonna take.

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Is it gonna take the Clippers just
the inability to play max out balls out

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defense for seven games? I don't
know what what's it gonna take to look

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like the back part of the regular
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a big part of it. Is
like, how long do they want to

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play this way? How long do
the Clippers? You know, how much

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you got, how willing are you
to do this game after game? And

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if they're not getting having success with
it, you know, you start questioning

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what's happening? But I really need
to try this hard and defense the entire

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game. But for us to me
what it looks like, it's so weird.

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Whenever the offense isn't working and everyone's
like, what the hell had just

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happened on that play and everybody's like
moving, it's like whenever you're hitting,

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you're like as a quarterback, you're
hitting like your fifth step back and like

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the route's supposed to be there and
the guy's like already gone or not there

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yet. That's what the every offensive
play has looked like thus far. And

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my theory on it is, Okay, you get into playoff basketball, everyone

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starts playing a second faster, a
little bit harder. The physicality to get

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around the screen is taking you a
second longer. You're not in the spot

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you're supposed to be in and Luca
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closed, but if you're not where
you need to be and he's throwing that

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pass without having a look at it, because that's the speedys to operator right

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now, like everything is disjointed,
and so I think Kai and Luca are

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operating at like two time speed offensively
because they've done this before. They've played

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in these kind of playoffs series,
they played against this exact team prior,

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and so they have experience of the
tempo of Hey, I don't mean get

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there whenever you want to get there, I mean get there now, like

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get into the set now when I
when I'm crossing half court with the ball,

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start the set. Don't wait for
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you out or call for the screen. It needs to happen. And so

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they're operating at their own tempo,
which I would consider like superstar elite veteran

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tempo of having experience knowing how to
do this. And then it seems like

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Gafford's not at that tempo. Lively
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the other guys besides, I think
PJ is operating pretty well. He's caught

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up to the speed of it.
But I think it's just Gafford. You

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can tell, man his head's spinning, and I think being home I think

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getting a couple games of it and
knowing like I'm if I'm moving now,

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it's too late, and just knowing
like this team is going to try and

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bully you around and they are not
going to get calls, right, you

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have to fight through it. You're
not going to get a call if someone

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bodies you in the lane, Like, just fight through it and finish.

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I think just that adjustment and everyone
catching up to the tempo of Luca and

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Kai and the pass is going to
be there second quicker because it has to

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be. Kai is going to push
ball forward and try and get fast break

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points because they have to. They
have to get cheap points somewhere because the

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offense as a whole is not working
in a half court since, yeah,

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they made some shots last night that
kind of pulled that thing out late,

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some threes that weren't there in the
first game, but as the whole,

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the offense hasn't really worked. And
so it's gonna come down to do the

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Clippers want to do this from multitude
of games? Do they want to put

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forth this defensive effort they have that
in them, and then can the rest

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of the MAVs offense say, like, you know, what we're operating at

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double speed. Everybody, Just get
there. Just get where I am operating

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right now in terms of movement and
swinging the ball and making the pass before

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I even see it, and we'll
be fine. How long that takes for

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the bigs and the rest of the
team to adjust. You know, it

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looked a little bit better last night. I mean, you can't look worse

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than Game one, to be honest, That eight point second quarter was like,

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that was the most painful basketball.
Like it takes a lot for me

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to like watch a basketball game and
like get anxiety and get like really really

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upset about it. But that second
quarter, I was like, oh my

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god, it look like we didn't
practice. It was just a mess.

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But I think that's it's getting your
sea legs, like in the in the

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simplest form. So I expect being
at home will help that a lot.

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I expect having two days off and
be able to watch, Like, hey,

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if you're at this point, if
you're setting the screen now you're late

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and just going over film and seeing
how the Clippers are going to play them,

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and then you know they're going to
test the Clippers minerals with this.

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They're gonna see how long they want
to play this kind of defense, in

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this kind of game, and you
know they're veteran team. I don't expect

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them to tap out. But after
giving them their best punch last night defensively

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and saying like now we're good,
we're gonna take one on your home court

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and go back and and try and
try and protect ours, Like I think

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that's got to be super discouraging for
for TYLERU and and all those you know,

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future Hall of famers on that team. I think they're shell shock the

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Clippers, to be honest, especially
at getting Kyrie back and being such a

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badass defensive team and playing a pretty
good defensive game and still losing. I

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think they are they're they're they're looking
into a mirror, are going uh oh?

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Now? The other side of that
same question, though I asked,

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I expect the Clippers to maintain defensive
pressure similar to what the maps we've seen

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the last few days. The outlier
seems to be can the MAVs keep it

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up if they need to? I
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this is the kind of series this
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that's the best defense I've seen the
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of the maps ever play. Yeah, and yes, the ceiling defensively for

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Kyrie and Luca is higher than we
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we saw glimpses of it, but
Jesus they were on it. If this

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series stays at this pace and it's
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Yeah, and well they be all
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I mean, you saw that.
I don't know if it was came at

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what point in the game. I
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You saw Kyrie kind of flip the
switch defensively, yeah, because Harden kind

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of pusted him off. Yeah,
yeah, you guys, and they were

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kyrief checking each other and we don't
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earlier, like, I look like, that's about as mad as Kyrie gets.

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And you can't tell it on his
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he was a little fouled up,
which is nice. That is that is

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him fuming, man. And from
that moment on he was like, if

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I see somebody put the ball on
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Yes, I'm separating you from the
ball. And he did it like six

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times and was never called for a
foul, and he was like, all

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right, you want to play this
way, let's go. And I think

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there is genuine dislike and genuine hate
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from our players, Like I don't
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guy, bullying, physicality stuff that
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our side appreciates. And I don't
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physical and people just flopping everywhere and
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But there were times last night where
I was like, this thing, you

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don't want to do that. You
do not want to get Luca emotionally and

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physically invested in destroying you, because
he will. He will win every time

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when you get him emotionally invested beyond
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like, I want to destroy you. I want to make you regret your

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life right now, because he can. He can be a psychopath in a

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game. I mean the previous series
with the Clippers, he did that and

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the supporting cast wasn't really good enough
to help him out, and it's dude,

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you if you start getting picking fights
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he has the ability and the team
around him to compete on your level,

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he is going to destroy you.
There are so many stories. I mean,

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you can read the Grant Williams practice
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Grant wanted to d him up and
he made a point of scoring every single

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point the rest of the game and
just crushing him. And I would not

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recommend that. I would not recommend
those guys getting overly physical. I mean,

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and you if you can lip read, you can see what he said

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after he hit that last three.
If you go online and find that was

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there an M and then let's let's
go. I was trying. It looked

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like it was a m F and
then a a H in there, and

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he was just yelling, dude,
like he was so happy to beat those

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guys, like you don't want to
do that to him? You want them

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to do that to him because I
love it. Yeah, but I liked

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I like the response. I feel
like something I felt like someone was percolate.

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and Luca had a little bitty thing, and you know, it probably won't

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come down to swinging, but I
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the for there to be a little
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I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Yeah, some of the air has to

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get out of the balloon at some
point because you can't just keep filling the

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thing up, yeah, just adding
hot air into it. So one of

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these games is gonna be a blowout. Everyone's gonna kind of like settle down

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and it's gonna be like, well, they were better tonight. Let's get

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back to like the tactical part of
it. But right now it just seems

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like, hey, you want an
arm wrestle, Like, let's let's have

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some beers and arm wrestle right now
and just see who's the bigger man.

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That's kind of the basketball it's being
played. It's pretty awesome. Honestly,

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I did not expect that. And
then you know, the first win of

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the season, when not scoring one
hundred points was awesome to see. You

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don't peg the MAVs is like,
okay, let's let's go tough one out.

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Necessarily, that's not our roster how
we like to play. But yeah,

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man, if they want to make
it, you know, a macho

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contest like where about that? We're
ready for that. You saw Kai flip

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the switch last night, and that
was if you pissed that guy off and

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he's willing to like start throwing his
body around defensively. And there's the thing

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is like it's a tone that gets
set early in the game if you can

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get away with that and played play
to the game that's called boys, play

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to the game that's called Is there
any more or is there any better sense

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of security? Blanket? And just
good vibes going into a fourth quarter knowing

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that you've got Kyrie Irving on your
team, not just because it's his best

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quarter historically as a player in the
NBA, but just the free throw aspect

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of it too. Mikey brought that
up earlier. You just feel like if

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you're in a close game in the
fourth quarter, whether you're up or down

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by three to five or six,
you just kind of feel like your chances

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are really good if he's on the
floor. And you saw it again last

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night, man, and he just
makes everybody around him better. He's such

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a unique player and that everyone knows. The highlights the artful nature of his

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game, how pretty he can make
it look, filling up the filter the

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stat sheet for years and years and
years. The thing I didn't really quite

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have an appreciation for is when it's
winning time, when it's got to have

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it time, the grit that he
has, man, he is not going

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to lose. Like I didn't know
he was like a competitive psycho late in

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games. But yeah, when you
look over there and you're like, Okay,

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he's gonna bring the ball up,
and then the other psycho path on

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the other side that wants to beat
you by fifty and make you sorry you've

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ever existed, is just was just
waiting over there to get the ball right

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and to me, for for Kai, in these types of games, at

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least in this series, it doesn't
matter to me what he does the first

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three quarters, right, It just
it just doesn't matter, because I know

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he can drop eighteen on your head
in the force and make it all better

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and put the game out of reach. And it's just I didn't have an

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appreciation for that. But I don't
know if that's a new thing with him.

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I don't know if that's you know, some of his maturity, his

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evolution of where he wants to apply
himself in a game. But it's it's

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definitely a conscious thing, right because
you can see it. He just he

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just flips it and it's it's winning
time. It's I'm disciplined enough, I

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have enough energy left, I have
enough stamina, even during Ramadan when he

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wasn't eating, like some of those
fourth quarters were insane, just thinking about

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that, and he's just Yeah,
he's phenomenal, dude, And there's so

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many layers to his game that you
know, I didn't really get to see

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the year one had in that half
season and even earlier on this season,

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whenever they're trying to figure out how
they fit in together, and just when

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you can look over there and you
go, Okay, I've got the best

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ball handler that's ever lived and a
guy that has turned in turned himself into

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an energizer, bunny, a finisher
in the fourth quarter when no one else

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has legs Like, that's so cool
to have, man, that's so cool

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to have in your corner and so
reassuring that everyone else can just play their

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game. And what other dude I
wanted to touch on. I don't know

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how much time we have, but
MAXI played his ass off last night Yeah,

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that was awesome, dude. For
we've been trying to find a different

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big man that can play in the
playoffs and bring more than Maxi Kliba for

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like five seasons now, and then
we get into a playoff series and you're

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rolling along and you're like, oh, Maxi is our best big man again.

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Yeah, it's insane. Like his
effort was incredible, he was awesome.

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He knocked down some big shots.
He he you know, stood up

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to Zubats and it's just crazy to
watch the guy's evolution of his career and

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where he is now and what he
brings in a playoff series and how valuable

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he is and what kind of lineup
connector intensively. He's so good, but

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he seems reluctant to fire it maybe, but then he's making He had two

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out of three last night. Jesus, that's all you need if you want

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big ones too. Threes man and
then the offensive rebound late in the game,

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which kind of was you know,
if that wasn't the ceiling moment of

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it, it definitely was one of
them. Yeah, his playoff Maxi is

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is pretty fun. Yeah, dude, he's he's he's so good and he's

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just he's he's perfect for playoffs scenarios
because he can stretch. He can play

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five out and he can stretch,
and he sets good picks and he can

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defend almost anybody. And he's been
working really hard and not getting bodied by

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Zubats and getting to getting the balls
that are loose, and I, you

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know, I just think that's he
saved that game for us. Like you

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can look at the statue, you
can go like, okay, look he

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made a three pge made it three. But getting to the looise balls,

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getting rebounds, like not letting Zoubots
go off in the fourth quarter, and

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just willing to do anything to win
for a guy that hasn't had a great

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season, hasn't really shot it well, has looked kind of hesits since for

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him to get those I think that's
that's so cool man. I love that

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we've got like thirty seconds any I've
been saying it before the series started.

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I thought they're gonna win the series. I was just in Vegas. I

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got money on him and win the
West. I have money on him at

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sixteen one to win the title.
I don't want to get way ahead of

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things, but am I nuts that
the MAVs could be the danger man in

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the NBA over the next month.
Oh, there's no doubt about it.

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If you get if you vanquished this
this demon that's been haunting you for like

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five years of the LA Clippers,
and get past that group of superstars and

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the way that these games are playing
in which it's turning into super physical,

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super macho. Have to win a
bunch of different ways. And you roll

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into that second round series against OKC, that's an inexperienced team that might not

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know what you're about to hit them
with. It feels like Golden State a

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couple of years ago, whenever they
played us and we were just rising,

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and then we were like, oh
no, that's a different brand of basketball

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they're bringing. I I would be
very afraid to play the Mavericks and they

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haven't even played well yet my first
two games. Marshall, is this young

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man's name? Thanks Mike. Next
week we may go Kati another day off

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and we'll have you back on You're
simple one. Alright, a cash go

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love you boys. I say hello
to my time to talk. No,

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all right, thanks. We were
at the damn sphere this weekend. We

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will review this insane billion dollar contraption
and the band Fish playing in it.

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We'll have a little fun with my
brother Cash Sirroy that is, next writer

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or not. He havn't won the
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