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Hello everybody, Welcome, here we
go. It is that time again,

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Matt Connerton Unleashed and we are live
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downtown Manchester, New Hampshire, now also

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on Comcast Channel six on the cable. And of course hello to all of

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our online listeners across nation and around
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links, contact and folk show archives, etcetera, etcetera. Today is a

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Thursday, August ten, two twenty
three, so nice to have you all

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with me. By the way,
the opening songs, I played a couple

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of the artists that we've had on
the show this week so far as far

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as musical guests. Yesterday we had
Charlie on the show, skyping in all

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the way from the UK. I
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from her from her new album Anomaly, and then I also played kids from

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the band Best Not Broken, who
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day. I love that song there. All their stuff is really super catchy,

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really good songwriters, and the production
is great. But that one in

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particular stands out to me, so
I feared i'd feature a couple of the

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guests that we've had on the show
this week. We don't have any musical

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guests today or any guests, but
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in just a moment for the best
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hear and enjoy your dulcet tones is
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By the way, we do have
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a busy show. We have lynnwood
Strange is the band joining us tomorrow.

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Really really good looking forward to that. And of course also tomorrow it is

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Friday, so we have Eric Pilcher's
classic film review and this week the subject

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is Donnie Brasco, Ze Brasco or
Brasco every said both ways. But of

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course al Pacino one of my easily
one of my top five favorite actors in

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Johnny Depp. I remember seeing that
in the theater actually with a friend of

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mine back in the day. But
that's going to be the classic film review

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for this week. So six O
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If you would like to join us
today on the program, uh, and

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I will tell you again right up
front, I am. If you're just

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joining us for the first time this
week, or maybe the show is new

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to you, I know, with
the way things have been reconfigured a little

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bit, we probably have a lot
of new listeners and welcome everybody. It's

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always nice to expand the audience,
that's for sure. That's the name of

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the game. But just so you
know, if you don't know this already,

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I'm probably going to I'm not going
to say that today yet again is

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going to be a Trump free zone, necessarily because I do like to defer

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to the audience, the callers and
people in the chat room what you'd like

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to talk about when possible, when
it's uh, you know, practical to

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do that sometimes if we have a
musical guest or something, we can't do

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that. But but I do like
to defer to the audience as much as

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I can, and so it's a
maximally interactive show. Having said that,

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I've been struggling this week, my
friends, I have I have an illness,

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completely self diagnosed. I have a
terrible fever that and the only cure

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is more cowbell. No, I'm
kidding, that's a It'd be funnier if

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I said it in the voice of
Christopher Walkin, but I can't. I

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can't do impressions very well. No, I am suffering from u t FS

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Trump fatigue syndrome. So you know, we really haven't talked about Trump much.

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Of course, the news is inundated
with Trump. And by the way,

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this observation should not be taken as
any sort of criticism or indictment,

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shall we say, pun fully intended
of the media. I understand. I

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mean, you have to cover it. It's a huge story. We've never

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had a former president with multiple indictments
and all that comes with it, so

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I understand. And the constant coverage, because there is constant news on the

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matter. So I'm not complaining about
that. And I'm not criticizing the media

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for focusing too much on it or
anything like that. I think that it

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is appropriate to do that. I
just I'm trying not to let it consume

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the show because I don't want it
to consume my brain any more than it

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already has. So I'm trying to
make this a little bit of an oasis.

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You know. Obviously, if we're
sitting here and there's big breaking news

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and you know, Georgia comes through
with their indictment or something like that,

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then we will talk about it.
But I'm not going out of my way

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for it. So again, I
defer to the audience as much as I

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can, but I've I've got some
other there are other things going on that

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I think are interesting as well,
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know where I am on that.
I'm not going to go out of my

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way for that, or you know, with apologies to my conservative friends,

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I'm not gonna go out of my
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just so you know, fat about
enough of that too. I know some

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people think the media doesn't talk about
Hunter Biden enough, but that's another story.

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H Shannon is on the line high
Shannon, Hello, I'm sorry,

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I'm multitasking at the moment you are. Uh, there's a song Johnny Donny

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Brasco, John I was pronounced Brasco, okay, And I like it when

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they were in the when when Johnny
Depp and al Pacino were in the kitchen

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and he says, uh, a
punch of salt, and Johnny Depp says,

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did you say a punch or a
pinch? Did you hear me say

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a pinch or a punch? So
he was making he was making his his

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gravy there the Italian style spaghetti sauce. Is that your favorite moment from the

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film, Shannon, Well, I
use a punch of sugar and a pinch

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of salt. But no, no, I knew when he Uh, I

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had read book before anyway, I've
not read the book. Yeah, there's

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a little bit more info in the
book. I think, oh yeah,

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well, of course, I mean
when you make a film based on a

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book, you know you have to
have some composite characters and so forth,

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because obviously you can't fit it fit
everything into the film. So the book.

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That's why the book is always been
That's why the book is always better

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or at least almost always. Yeah, because because Stephen King is right on

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set and making sure they do what
the book says. You know, right,

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that is true? The same with
them. Well, I don't know

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lately because I don't. John Grisham, yes, is, his books are

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very very very close. Now Robert
Ludlam in the in the Born series not

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even close m movie to book.
Well, that's an outrage. I'm outrage

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it is. I'm not really outraged. I actually fell. I'm at peace

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with it. I had to process. I was completely enraged for a moment.

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But I've processed at Shannon, I
worked through it, and now I'm

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good. All right. When you
first mentioned that, I was very upset.

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You should look up when you have
three seconds. But I don't think

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the internet works as fast as i'd
liked it, too, because when I

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asked someone to check something, I'm
waiting and I'm waiting, I'm waiting.

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I say, you can't put this, this, this in the search engine

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and get an answer. I don't
know. Maybe they don't call them search

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engines anymore, but no, you
can call it a search engine, or

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I call it the Google. And
of course now we have chat gpt M.

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That's a a right, Yes,
yeah, yes, it is.

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Yeah, and it's your favorite day. You get to hang out with Polly

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C. That's tomorrow. Oh Jesus, today is Thursday, Shannon, mm

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hmm. Today I'm all by myself
there myself. But yeah, well I'll

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call tomorrow about a retrospectrum because touchy
feely was last week. That's right,

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that was the theme. And to
me, uh, third two thirds were

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mushy, not touchy feely. They
could kind of mushy, you know,

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romantic mushy. Some of those songs
make me blush. Shannon, I'm sure

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they did. And if I make
a list for Pauli CD to do a

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show on sexy, dirty or dirty
sexy songs, you'll blush a lot.

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No, that's quite likely. Yes, you know the good ones, Bullet

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Boys, Kingdom come, oh,
you know those songs, good bands.

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Yeah, Baton Rouget I'm pronouncing it's
a French way, Baton Rouge. I

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know, Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
I don't know. Is there a band

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called that bat Yes, Baton Rouge
and She's All Lips and Hips is the

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name of the song. I remember
the song lips and Hips, but that

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is uh, the electric Boys unless
they covered that. Did they cover that

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that? I don't have a way
of checking, but you could because I

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remember the Electric Boys lips and didy
Go lips and hips. She knows how

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to use them to make you flip
Yep, that's the song. Yeah,

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okay, then they somebody redid it
to her, somebody else. I don't.

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I am nowhere near the intelligence and
memory span of you policy DJ Steve,

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anybody on that show you know of
music and who came out with the

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first and I mean when you guys
give dates and it, you know,

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it's as mind blowing to me as
me remembering and having in my brain as

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many phone numbers as I have,
because I can't. I have a bad

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habit of writing a phone number down
and not saying what it belongs to.

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Oh that's not good, no,
no, but yeah, so all right,

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Chim, Yeah, So what about
Johnny Donny Brasco, Well, Johnny

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Brasco, that's the film review tomorrow, Okay, he should do? Is

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just a suggestion for two movies to
do. Scent of a Woman who Ah

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and Trouble with the Curve with Clint
Eastwood. I don't know if you saw

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that. I've never seen it.
I've always been aware of it, but

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I've never seen it. Lovelin love
Clint Eastwood though, Yeah, and he

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does a good job, and he
develops age related Maculler degeneration. And that's

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the trouble with the curve the center
vision. He can't spot it. You

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know, he has to. I'm
sure mister Pilcher knows. I'm sure he

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does. I think he's a clinic
Swood fan. May be, mister Pilcher.

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Someday do Cent of a Woman might
listen a Colonel Frank Slade needs a

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guide dogs rights And I want to
pull did you see that movie? Where's

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movie? Cent of a Woman?
Yes, I want to pull an Alpaccino.

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One day when they were at that
after he drove the Ferrari, well,

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I'd love to do that part.
Yeah, but when when they're waiting

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to cross the street after they leave
the Ferrari shop and he's waiting at the

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lights and and Lieutenant Colonel Franks,
it is taken too long and just tap

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tap tap tap. I mean I
tried to count once. I think I

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counted twelve lanes of traffic that I
had to screeched their brakes not to hit

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him. Right, and then he
fell down in the trash camp. But

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anyway, fun movie. Yes,
it's and it's it's actually I know,

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I know you got other people talking
and bitching about me. I'm sure,

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but it gives good insight on people, for people who have in their life,

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people who will develop uh vision problem
like the age related macular. You

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know. It just it gives the
things not to do and to do.

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You know, you don't say to
the waiter, you know, point to

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your glass and and and lip something
to him, you know, because the

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I can't see, don't do that. And he said, don't do that.

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But right now I I will let
you go. And I'm sorry it's

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not Friday. Hello, Jenny and
everybody out there that I don't know that

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know me now. Yes, I
have a good one, all right,

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Shannon, thank you for the call. Ye by bye bye. All right.

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Well that was Shannon. That does
open up the line for you.

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Six zero three two five zero six
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six o seven. Our friend Melanie
law Liberty from the Great State of Vermont

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was just commenting in the chat room
how much she enjoys Shannon's calls. But

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we will say hello to everybody in
the Facebook live chat. Oh, by

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the way, I cannot find Lips
and Hips by the band Baton Rouge.

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I can only find the Electric Boys. I do remember that song. It

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was like a minor hit for them. Would have been late eighties, maybe

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nineteen ninety. Easyg joins us in
the Facebook live chat and says, good

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news, my sister is safe along
with her husband. Yes they are,

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I believe Eric had said on the
island of Maui, which is an inferno,

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It's very frightening and very sad to
see the destruction and the devastation.

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They're unbelievable. J Fett also joins
us in the chat room from the great

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state of Vermont says, good afternoon
everyone. DJ Steve is in the Facebook

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live chat. DJ Steve. Of
course I get to see every Friday night

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for Retro Spectrum Radio with Paul Ec. DJ Steve and I have the honor

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and privilege of being two of Paul's
co hosts on that show, along with

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Mike from Queen City Cabinetry, who's
one of our great sponsors here at WMNH,

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and one of our co hosts on
that program. And let's see,

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Oh here's someone we haven't heard from
in a while. Ron is on the

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line. Hi, Ron, hey
man, how you doing good? How

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are you been a while? Listen? I heard you say a little while

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ago that you'd not put with impressions. Well, I listened to you on

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Friday night. If you are spot
on and kneel and every single one of

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them, well, you know,
as the night wore on, I was

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kind of getting into the groove.
Would you like to would you like to

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request an impression? Ron? I
could, I could try to do one

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right now, get ready for tomorrow
night? Yeah. Well, I enjoy

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your show immensely, and when Friday
comes around, I'm hooked on that too.

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So for all your New Time listeners, if there were any else,

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you don't miss you the one of
them, you know you miss it A

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good show. Well, thank you, Ron, I appreciate that, my

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friend. Hey Man, I guess
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so whatever reasons, I can't see
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real quiet? Can't you turn up
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to control that from here, unfortunately, So all right, well there we

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go. All right, Well,
that was our friend Ron. Always nice

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I was hoping he was going to
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line six three two five six Z
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to everybody in the Facebook live chat. Jenny is in there, of course

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and says sildom peeps. Our friend
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Miriam says, somehow I keep missing
Swindon Bathtub. I've been to Swindon

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a few times, so I'm very
curious about the song. If you're just

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joining us out, that's one of
the tracks that I opened today's show with

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us Swindon Bathtub from Charlie great musical
guests who joined us yesterday on the program.

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And we do have a call.
Hi, welcome to Matt Connerton.

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Unleash. Who is this? Yeah, Mack, ask me any question?

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Just to ask me any question?
What is the capital of Utah? Yo?

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Good man? So listen, You've
got a great show with super duper

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and I love it. I'm gonna
keep listening. Go ahead, ask me

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another question. What did you eat
for breakfast? Today. Yeah, Matt,

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so listen. I just wanted to
let you know that I'm listening.

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I'm a big fan and you're the
best. Both shows are the greatest.

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Yeah, well I do. I
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understand Ron couldn't listen. If Ron
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and he decided to respond with compliments, that's not a bad deal.

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Actually that's not It's not a bad
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I'm gonna give you one. You're
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me? All right? I'll do
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I'm not a dancing bear, but
I will do my best for you,

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sir. Go ahead. Yeah no, this is gonna be a tough one,

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I'll admit it, but I have
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I'm right. I want to hear
you do an impression of Robert Reid

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and an AA meeting. Okay,
here we go. Hi. My name

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is Robert Reid and I'm an alcoholic. You might know me from the Brady

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Bunch. Oh my god, dude, are you kidding you when you say

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that you've never done that one before? I've never done that one before.

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I have to admit that one was
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kind of I had to really kind
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Nah, you're being modest. It
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I know, right. Oh,
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he enjoyed that. He's the biggest
Brady Bye. I'm a super I'm a

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super duper fan. I'm gonna keep
listening by all right, Paul bye bye.

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Yes. I did a number of
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I'm not exactly rich little but you
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you really did believe that I was
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I hope. So six zero three
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three two five six seven is the
studio line. Let's see Jay Fed is

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requesting more airhorn. Okay, we
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the one I was looking for,
though I apologize. I'm sure that's the

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one, uh Jay Fed wanted.
John Hopwood joins us in the Facebook live

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chatt and says, if you are
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a place like Hawaii with active volcano
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do have to do with the risk. It's sad though, well apparently too.

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briefly. I think it was yesterday. It's an unusual situation. They have

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a because there's a hurricane. And
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think, oh, well, you
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The hurricane might do some damage,
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dump a lot of water on the
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hurricane got close enough to just send
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are, and that of course fans
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day when I stopped in at that
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and uh I told that story on
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location, but there there was a
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there turned to the manager and said, hey, we've got a fire over

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here. And the manager literally said
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you expect me to do about it? And then the part I think I

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left out because you know, you
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a social media post or people will
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of the employees actually started to fan
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the fire out, and then,
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no, no, don't do that, that won't work. They did put

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it out eventually, Apparently they aren't
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said when the employees are like,
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literally said, well, what do
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people don't really work very hard at
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That manager clearly had quiet would it
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because it's quiet quitting, so it'd
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know all these new terms that the
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me. But standing there in a
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the manager seems completely disinterested, that
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to admit that seems like something to
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urgency, but apparently not in this
instance. We have a call. Hi,

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welcome to Matt Connerton unleashed. Who's
this? It's John C. Hopwood,

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John curmudgeonly, curmudgeonly, Wow,
I feel curmudgingly, But I just

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want to say about the restaurant.
Now, if you take a job as

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a restaurant manager, yes, when
you're on you know that Pacific rim of

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fire of you know, well paying
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of the reality. It's sad,
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I think what I was confused by
was the lack of urgency and in

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fact clear apathy of the manager on
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to me, and this is I
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worked in fast food, but I
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if there is a fire in your
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a fire that's supposed to be there, like a camp fire, for example.

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be there, you probably want to
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you're in an establishment where you've got
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kind of thing. You would think
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energy's training, since oven fires are
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But this is you know, you
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live free or die. Even if
the regulations are on the books,

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like campaign financing and such, they're
not enforced because you know, this is

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a very libertarian state and who wants
to you know, be a curmudgeon and

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insist on things like fire extinguishers or
life saving equipment. That's true. It

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is much more exciting and adventurous if
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But we do have rules and regulations
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till you know, we can pull
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as long as we can keep our
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you know, we don't want to
be like Ukraine get caught with our bridges

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done. In case, Maine or
I would think Vermont is a more likely

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candidate tries to, you know,
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River, which clearly belongs to the
Granite Republic. You know, I didn't

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understand that Dave Ridley and the others
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you know, creating this new country. I think it's going to be New

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New Hampshire. Correct, No,
it's going to be Granite Republic, according

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to the legislation that is introduced and
so overwhelmingly failed about a couple of years

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ago. That's is that really what
they want to call it? The Granite

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Republic, not the Granite Republic.
Granite Republic. We don't want any of

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those pesky articles. You know that
there are a great languages like Russians don't

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have articles. Oh oh yeah,
well m mmmmm, well in the Granite

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Republic, there will be kitchen fires
everywhere. There should be. It'll be

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if that's a person's choice, there
should be. Now. I once rented

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an office in New Hampshire, and
the fire extinguishers in my office, you

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know, I'm supposed to be to
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ten, which was like had twenty
years before. And when I went to

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visit, you know, eventually you
visit other people in the building, right

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and all of their fire extinguishers had
been last inspected in twenty ten, so

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you know, but that's part of
the greatness of the soon to be a

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born Granite Republic, right, it
is exciting. Once we are the Grant

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Republic, we don't have to do
this hypocritical double speed. We just get

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rid of the regulations rather than just
not enforce them, and in that in

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the river to keep Vermont out,
we can put some booi's that can be

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very effective to both keeping the Vermonters
from coming over into Granite Republic with their

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ideas like having giving out transitioning Ken
Barbie dolls at our public schools, which

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was addressed yesterday on Kyle the Kyle
Playton Chronicle, which got mislabeled as Kyle

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Clayton's QC Chronicles. By the way, did you get a copy of the

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show to put up one IPM nation. No, you'll have to send me

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that, And no one sends me
that anymore, and hasn't for probably the

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past six months. I don't know
why I stopped receiving them, but bust

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my buttons. I did tell you
that. I did tell you that before,

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but you've forgotten. But I would
like to see that. Yes,

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he had a successful last show.
Well, we had an interesting show of

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gonz All started out wearing a paper
bag. We started out with an immemorium

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to the director William friedk and from
that guy that used to peer on my

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show regularly that you poach does movie
reviews for you another gibberish. Yes,

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what's his name, Eric, Eric
Pilcher. Yes, And then we talked

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about the big scandal, you know, with the transitioning Kendall which you know

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Gonzo bought, has one for his
son, is bringing in next week because

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we're going to be the next week
the show is the return of Manchester Famous.

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Oh, very exciting. So the
other things we talked about we really

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can't talk about because of the FCC. You know, you have all those

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rules and regulations that we, being
New Hampshire public a TV, we can

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just you know pay lip service to
them. Wow. Almost like you're already

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in the Granite Republic. That's true. That might be a good name for

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a segment on the w p YP
portfolio. By the way, Andy Barker

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has joined us in the Facebook live
chat and uh, John, you had

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a somewhat infamous appearance on Andy Barker's
podcast that was a few years ago.

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Now, Oh, is that the
guy that I melted down because of Trump?

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Yes, but you weren't. You
weren't so much upset with Andy.

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It was the other two guys.
Oh yeah, yeah. Something about a

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woman, the woman that she'd been
raped or something, and I handle the

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rape when I was in the Oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna have flashbacks now,

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So I'm gonna let you go now
when I have my flashback in private,

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Okay, but I would like to
bring up possoon about what's going on

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at the Robert F. Kennedy headquarters
in Manchester. Oh. I saw a

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couple of people today. I was. I was at the post office getting

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the mail downtown here and I did
see a couple of people wearing RFK shirts

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and they looked like they were with
this campaign. Well, you know RFK

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Junior in the first time he came
to New Hampshire, the only time I

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ever saw him, because he never
tells anybody when he's coming. Oh,

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even on his Twitter feed, which
is not act. Which got to get

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rid of it. This act.
I just don't like it. I don't

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like it. I don't like it
either. I'm not being serious. I

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am boy, I am too.
I don't like it either. It looks

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cheap too when it loads on the
browser, it just looks it looks cheap.

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It does you pay forty four billion
dollars for the goodwill that is the

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Twitter brand and then you get rid
of it? I mean, you know,

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the whole thing about that's a whole
nother thing happy, you know,

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come down, Andy Buck is waiting
for you to, like, you know,

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have a spectacular man outs on.
Like you know, It's like Paul

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Newman said about Marlon Brando. He
said, you all expect me to be

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Maryland Brando and the Brando you're you're
just awaiting to see him go berserk,

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you know, yeah, yeah,
Oh, but what were you saying?

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You were starting to say something.
I'm sorry I had de railed you about

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RFK. But the Robert F.
Kennedy it turns out that his campaign manager,

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and I haven't confirmed, this is
the wife of a congressman named Roorbacker.

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Hold on for a second, Okay, Dana Roorbacker, who was a

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Republican congressman from Orange County, which
was very very conservative, always conservative.

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Paul demographically changed the majority Hispanic,
and a Democrat got elected and defeated him

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after nine terms. This was a
guy, a maga guy that Trump considered

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as Secretary of State. You know, you know, you know they have

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a long list. Yes, So
his wife allegedly is the head of the

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New Hampshire campaign and she lives in
Kittery, Maine. I mean here,

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rfk Jr. The first only time
it came when he's at Saint Ansem College,

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we're all presidential candidates come said that
he was here to defend the New

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Hampshire primary because candidates get close to
the people. And indeed, like I

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told you, like you know,
when I was with Bill Cashing, I

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spent an hour with the Joe Biden
and that's not unusual. But as you

406
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:38,640
know, and so and you know, I was talking the other day about

407
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,880
how Cash he was saying the problem
with Hillary's campaign twenty sixteen, she's using

408
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:51,319
these kids and and no local people
that understood. But here Kennedy, he's

409
00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:58,200
got somebody from California. And it's
not like the Hillary using these bright kids

410
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,920
from like Yale or entire and you
know, who are out of touch.

411
00:33:01,359 --> 00:33:07,519
Right, He's using a maga person. So being on thinks that what he's

412
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:12,559
really up there is to be a
Trump's running man. Well, well,

413
00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:15,319
conservatives have embraced him, they love
him, but that's because he says,

414
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:20,240
you know, he's and he buys
an actually he buys a knowl the right

415
00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:23,160
wing conspiracy theories, I think.
And yeah, the stuff I don't agree

416
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:28,279
with. The thing I am is
the old Democrat, you know that corporate

417
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:32,559
corruption and stuff like that, and
all the stuff that I try to ignore.

418
00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:37,960
You know, that's the stuff we
do have. Know, we can

419
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,440
talk about this another time. I've
already talked too much. But remember how

420
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,720
we were talking with Jenny how dealing
with Trump and all the legal issues.

421
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,720
Finally, it's just, you know, it's overwhelming, but it's just downright

422
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:54,799
confusing. Trying to deal with Robert
Kennedy. It's confusing, and it's like

423
00:33:54,920 --> 00:34:00,599
a I was talking to Timothy Horrigan
was a Democratic state and he was just

424
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:07,920
saying all sorts of nasty things about
KA Junior on Twitter. So I called

425
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,480
him out, but then he says
to me, you know, I would

426
00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:15,519
have loved to have supported him.
But unlike even Mary Ann Williamson and Joe

427
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:20,639
Budden, RFK Junior has not asked
me to support him, and in fact,

428
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,519
he's doing everything he can so that
I won't support him exactly, like

429
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:30,000
going and talking at Porkfest with the
anarcho libertarians, or like foreign enemies to

430
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:32,760
me. By the way, by
the way, how do you deal with

431
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,679
this stuff? You know? By
the way, I don't know if you

432
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,119
know, John. Mary Ann Williamson
is going to be here on the show

433
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:42,280
on the twenty second. Oh no
kidding, yep, She's gonna be here

434
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,880
with us in studio. So that's
cool. She's full of crap. I

435
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,199
used to I saw her so during
your New agge. You know, the

436
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,280
new age stuff is fine, but
she doesn't know anything about history or politics.

437
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,760
But you know that. I don't
know, I would say most congressmen

438
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:04,079
either. I've watched a couple of
interviews with her, long form interviews,

439
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:07,119
not recently, but more more so
the first time she ran, I thought

440
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:10,400
she was kind of impressive. Actually, I don't know, I'm looking forward

441
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,440
to me. It's a scripted I'm
not I'm not saying. I'm not saying.

442
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,920
I'm talking about the first time.
I sorry, and then I just

443
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,760
tuned out. But you got to
remember, I think of her as the

444
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,320
new Age guru from La right.
Well, that is part of that is

445
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,400
part of I mean, the books
that she writes and so forth, that

446
00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:31,719
is part of the deal with her. But I do think, I do

447
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,639
think she knows more about history and
about policy than you than you give her,

448
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:37,840
than you give her credit for her
I don't think she does at all,

449
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:43,639
but we can disagree about that.
We'll see when she's selectedly a hearty

450
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:51,440
and a real Yana to her Rush
staff. I don't know. I don't

451
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,280
know, yes, but I'm sure
she'll be charming. She can be very

452
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:58,440
charming. Yes, I look forward
to meeting her. But that's that's cool.

453
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:01,360
But I think, you know,
it's like, uh, you know,

454
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,840
it's like you, Peter, you
know, im the radio you'd like

455
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,960
to get, you know, you
want to go to Rfk's and the people

456
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,800
and say, hey, come and
talk. These people would love to have

457
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,000
you. But not only can you
not talk to him, you can't talk

458
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:19,960
to any of his people from the
right wing, MAGA Republicans. They don't

459
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,159
want a Democrat. You know.
I'm I'm fine, I'm fine with with

460
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:29,440
not talking to RFK. No,
I really am, I really am.

461
00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:34,840
I don't I need not have anything
to do with him. But yeah,

462
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:40,000
that's my view of it. Yeah, because see the other the other it's

463
00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:45,840
it's just a strange, strange,
strange strange. Well some of what some

464
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,079
of what he's putting out there,
to me is legitimately dangerous, you know,

465
00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:52,000
the anti vax anti science stuff.
I think that's why I don't believe

466
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:58,159
he. To me, that's fascist
type of thinking. Ideas aren't dangerous,

467
00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:01,360
that's the old the shipway. But
that's a whole different discussion. Yeah,

468
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,280
but they're always they're always have to
be. There, always have to be

469
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,440
lines and boundaries don't don't there.
I mean if I said to you,

470
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,360
well, we've talked about it too, We've we've talked about it on the

471
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,039
show. I got an email once, this not recently, this was a

472
00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:17,960
number of years ago. I got
an email from a holocaust denier who wanted

473
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,039
to be on the show. And
of course I obviously I declined. But

474
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:24,840
I mean I wouldn't would would I
mean, what you wouldn't say to that?

475
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,000
Well, you know that's fascist,
Matt. You know, ideas aren't

476
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:32,519
dangerous. No, I'm not saying
that's your personal choice. You have a

477
00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:37,280
right to do that. Right,
I just don't see it that. I

478
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:46,960
don't think that talking about the talking
about the virus and the and uh yeah,

479
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,800
but he makes stuff up. I
mean if if you see him and

480
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,800
some of these interviews, because there
are people who have him on, he

481
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:59,559
just makes stuff up. And uh
no, the stuff about when you say

482
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:04,000
that, you could have an argument
from Seber and it would the FCC.

483
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:07,440
I'm just talking about principles and this
is we can have that discussion another time,

484
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:10,280
because anything we're gonna say is gonna
get you banned. You know what

485
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,920
they mean, well, we should, we should, that's basically my Well

486
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:21,519
you're talking about, you know,
the old vault pair type of thing.

487
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,000
But you have a right who you
put on and not put on. And

488
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,840
as you know, we both you
know, when I was on your show,

489
00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:32,360
there are things like I'm vaccinated,
and I was saying, Carol vaccinate

490
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:39,199
things. But then we talk about
stuff. But that's but that's you're people.

491
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,400
People don't know what you're talking about. John is referring to YouTube.

492
00:38:43,639 --> 00:38:47,079
YouTube has very strict rules, right, It's it's not I've never never got

493
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:50,400
me in any trouble here. As
far as the radio show, of course,

494
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,880
uh It's just what if I if
I put that show on YouTube and

495
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:58,400
there's a conversation about that, then
then YouTube doesn't like it. By the

496
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,320
way, Andy Barker in the room
says, I would like to invite John

497
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:06,400
to come back on the show.
I'm no longer doing the show with Vinnie

498
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,239
Anstizo. Oh interesting, you should
do that. You should do that,

499
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,320
John, I'd have to be on
value. Hey. But just one last

500
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,119
thing is and you know, because
that what we're just talking about, that

501
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:21,320
I think that'd be a whole legit
thing for a legitimate discussion. But yeah,

502
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,199
because we're gonna talk. You know, when we talk before shows,

503
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:29,280
we do talk about things, and
there are things you aren't going to talk

504
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,320
about, and there are things you're
going to be responsible about. And like

505
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,159
I've called my friends because you know, we're attracted to Kennedy's critique of both

506
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:43,039
the party being on democratic our party
and corporate, the corporate hold on government.

507
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:45,159
So sure, Lenny says these things. You know, it's like,

508
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:49,880
oh, Cia killed my uncle and
my father. I mean, this is

509
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,800
the stuff of politic you know,
a politician, an adult talks about it.

510
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,639
Yeah, and then the stuff about
you know, it's a bio weapon,

511
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,880
they called it. It's like,
I mean, you know, Trump

512
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:07,760
made his fortune saying anything, every
and everything. But Trump is a different

513
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,880
type of person in the case,
and you know talking you know, people

514
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:16,280
don't say stuff like that. I
mean, politicians might be the most balthesome

515
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:21,119
people. But you have to respect
him because they do get out there.

516
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:24,000
Joe Biden, for all I criticize
him, he gets out there and he's

517
00:40:24,159 --> 00:40:29,000
trying, and he dust up and
he puts his ass on the line,

518
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,280
and you know, he evolved.
He does good things, bad things,

519
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,639
and you know, you love to
hate politicians, but you have to respect

520
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,159
him because they're like it's like an
adult. You know, you have to

521
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,800
behave in a certain way. You
go out there and you do things.

522
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,599
You just don't go and nun your
mouth about everything. You know. Right

523
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,800
well, he can afford to though, I mean rfk, he can afford

524
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,719
to because isn't it right? Yeah, I mean obviously he knows he's not

525
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,920
going to it on the head.
He knows he's not going to be the

526
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,559
nominee, so he can. You
know, that's the thing. When you

527
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:07,320
know, when you know you're not
going to actually win anything, you have

528
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:14,199
no accountability because it's it's he's being
irresponsible and he's telling like democrats like me,

529
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,960
and so there are democrats that are
looking and it's like Tim Morgan said,

530
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:20,960
I would have liked to have supported
them, but he's doing everything.

531
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,039
He doesn't want my support and he's
not doing and the things he is doing,

532
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:29,440
I can't support him, you know, right, it's like, but

533
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:36,400
you just hit it because that's what
he's a person of privilege and from rich

534
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,159
la and the entertainment industry La la
Land, you know what, at least

535
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:44,360
to call La la la Land.
Yeah, I still hear it, call

536
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:51,760
and uh yeah and uh you did
it though, you got it. Yeah,

537
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:53,760
So I take it up too much
of your time. But it's always

538
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,639
good talking to you. Yes,
you two, that's what discussions are abouts.

539
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:04,039
He we're talking and we to a
place. Yes, arf K Junior

540
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:08,400
is irresponsible and he's not He doesn't
act like an adult right right, or

541
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:14,800
an adult but with some sort of
issue. I don't know. I think

542
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,760
I think something like I said,
something's a little off. But he thinks

543
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,760
he wants to be the running mate
of Trump, which she sees Trump is

544
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:29,280
just pure entertained At this point,
oh, Trump has been very complimentary of

545
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:36,719
RFK, but they all are conservatives
love him. They love him. It's

546
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,880
like, I'll leave you on this. You know a person by their enemies,

547
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:44,400
right. You gotta understand his father
was my childhood hero. You know,

548
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,599
I helped the wax head from the
La Wax Museum. Yes, and

549
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,760
I followed his campaign when I was
in the third grade. And that's one

550
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,199
of the big traumas what happened to
his father. Yes, one of the

551
00:42:54,440 --> 00:43:00,599
America of the sixties, you know, brother father MLK. And you're and

552
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:07,679
but you know a person by their
enemies. Ours Kay's enemies were the Mafia,

553
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:12,519
Jimmy Hoffa and Lyndon Johnson. I
mean, if you're gonna have the

554
00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:16,400
enemies, those are pretty good ones. Fab It shows you what kind of

555
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,800
person he was. And I was
talking to my friend Tom, who you

556
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,320
know, he's been on the show
before. He says, yes, Arris

557
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,840
K would be drinking with these guys, you know, yeah, or having

558
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,920
a line of cook You know,
I'm just that satire or that party.

559
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:36,360
But I mean, you don't associate
with certain people. I mean, you

560
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,119
could be friendly with him, like
when Joe Biden is talking about well,

561
00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:43,599
I had the deal with these old
race the senators because they controlled the Senate.

562
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,719
Yeah, it was truth in that, you know. Yeah, yeah,

563
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,679
some of the criticism he took for
that was not fair in my view.

564
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:58,039
It's because some of it was justified
in the sense that it was a

565
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:02,639
moral outrage. But in the reality, Joe Biden could never have become one

566
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:07,320
of the most powerful senators without having
to deal with those people who controlled the

567
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,320
Senate. It's like being in a
dult. It's like being in a marriage

568
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:15,199
or job. You have to or
like you, I'm sure if you know,

569
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,440
when you run your show, like
you always saying when I'm nesting up

570
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:24,519
or want to take it over to
Matt Carnigan uncaught or whatever, set,

571
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,679
I just have one thing that I
want to have my job, Tomara.

572
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,440
Right, that's right. There are
things as an adult you have to do.

573
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,159
There's things you might want to do
or say because we like you know,

574
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:44,519
have fun and satires. We find
that fun. Yes, yes,

575
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:46,119
of course, Okay, Matt,
take care, all right, John,

576
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:50,079
I appreciate the call. Take care
bye bye. Yeah, but oh I

577
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:52,039
appreciate talking to you, but all
right, bye bye. All right.

578
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:57,760
That was our friend John Sea Hopwood
and uh, he did indicate that today

579
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:02,000
the CEE was for curmudgeon ly,
although he was not particularly curmudgeonly today,

580
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:07,199
actually quite affable. But I do
hope, Andy Barker, I do hope

581
00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:10,280
that John takes you up on that, and I assume you you are able

582
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,199
to connect with him online. But
I think that would be cool. And

583
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,719
I'm not sure he completely understood because
he made the valume joke. I'm not

584
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:21,840
sure he completely understood. So just
to reiterate, So, Andy, apparently

585
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,239
you're no longer doing the show with
Vinnie and Stizo, which is those are

586
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:29,719
the two gentlemen. Oh? Actually, I think he really understood, So

587
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,559
just do so like I'm time traveling, Andy, is that you? Hello,

588
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,320
Hey, how are you doing?
I'll do a great How are you

589
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:42,039
sir? Good? It's been a
long time, Yes, sir? Can

590
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:45,079
you hear me? Okay, yes, I can hear you. I'm pretty

591
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:49,360
good because I mean, for whatever
reason, I can not hear very loudly,

592
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,000
but we'll get through. Yeah.
Yeah, so you're you're you are

593
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:57,599
still doing the show, but not
with Vinnie and Stizo. Is that what's

594
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:04,360
going on? Yeah? So you
know it's about six months ago, so

595
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,599
I kind of decided to kind of
part ways. I didn't really like the

596
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:13,719
direction of where we were going,
and uh, you know, to be

597
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,159
fair to John, I told you
in the past, I did feel bad

598
00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:22,320
about the way the whole thing transpired. Yeah, and that's why I'd like

599
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,679
to give him another opportunity to come
on. I have a new co host

600
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:30,039
now. His name's Lou and we
have changed the format of the show.

601
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:35,599
Now we're we have it more set
up to almost like what you're doing a

602
00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:37,800
radio show. We have different segments, we keep it in an hour,

603
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:45,119
and we're trying to be more family
friendly. Oh okay, okay. Now,

604
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,159
so is it still called Nothing's Off
the Table or is it a completely

605
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,639
new thing? Nope, still Nothing's
up the Table. Okay. See,

606
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:59,000
if I'm really having a hard time
hearing yet, I really have to call

607
00:46:59,039 --> 00:47:00,199
you back, buddy. If that's
okay, Yeah, yeah, it might

608
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,760
be a bad connection. Yeah,
go ahead, and yeah, give us

609
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:07,519
a call back. Okay, okay, all right, so that's Andy Barker.

610
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:12,239
He's gonna call us back. Yeah. So, for those who don't

611
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,480
know, Andy does a podcast called
Nothing's Off the Table. I've been on

612
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:19,559
that. This was jeez, this
was a few years ago. Now,

613
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,119
it's hard to know exactly how long
ago, because again, as I always

614
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:27,320
like to talk about that, I
feel like the pandemic caused this weird time

615
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,280
distortion that many of us experienced,
where it's hard to know exactly, you

616
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,360
know, like if something happened before
the pandemic, it's hard to know exactly

617
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,719
when before the pandemic. It wasn't
anyway, but I've been on there,

618
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:43,280
and then John Hopwood went on I
think a week or two later, and

619
00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:49,440
I don't think that episode is still
available online. But when John was on

620
00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:57,280
the show, they got into a
political discussion and it didn't didn't go great.

621
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:06,039
John got upset and very upset in
a very animated fashion, and Jenny

622
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:08,880
and I were actually watching it live
and we were like, oh oh,

623
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:15,719
but it's funny because and I remember
we're watching it and I had a feeling

624
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:21,519
this wasn't going to necessarily work out
and then uh, and I'm just sitting

625
00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:23,760
there waiting for that that pin to
get pulled on that grenade, and sure

626
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:29,119
enough it happened. Hey Andy,
hello, sir, can you hear me

627
00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:31,599
better now? Or you hear you
better? You you sound better. I

628
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:35,199
could hear you before, but you
sound more clear this time. How do

629
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,920
I sound much better? Oh?
Good? Good? Awesome? Awesome?

630
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,360
All right, So so you're so
you've still got the show, but you

631
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:50,119
have a new co host. Correct? And well, my coach Lou is

632
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:54,039
a gentleman that I served within the
Navy. He's the combat veteran, he's

633
00:48:54,039 --> 00:49:00,239
a Purple Heart recipient, and uh, yeah, we just tried to stay

634
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:06,760
away from the silliness that was the
last the last group, if you will.

635
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:10,599
It just it started out great and
then nothing personal against those guys at

636
00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:14,920
all whatsoever. I just didn't like
the direction of the show and yeah,

637
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,840
and decided we need to change things
up a bit. Yeah, I think

638
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,880
they I think they both unfriended me
on social media after a while. I

639
00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:29,519
might have made comments. They were
both very sort of I mean, I

640
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:32,119
enjoyed talking with them the time that
I was on with you guys. I

641
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,880
had nothing against them either, but
some of the some of the stuff they

642
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,840
were posting during the pandemic, I
really was you know how I am about

643
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:45,000
that? I was. I was
not a fan of of some of what,

644
00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:47,199
uh what they were putting out there, And uh, I can only

645
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:52,800
imagine what they were saying on the
show. But uh no, that's that's

646
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,360
cool. Now, How did I
am? I am curious. I don't

647
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,599
know how much you want to say
about it, but how how did they

648
00:49:57,639 --> 00:50:01,440
react when you told them you wanted
to change things up? You know?

649
00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:07,679
Surprisingly they were they were good with
it, and like I, you know,

650
00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:09,599
I brought it up to them saying, listen, I made sure that

651
00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:13,599
they knew they had nothing to do
with, if you know, any personal

652
00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:17,280
feelings. It was just a business
decision essentially. Yeah. Yeah, because

653
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:21,960
you did that with them for a
long time, right, Yeah, I

654
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,159
did that with them for about two
or three years maybe, And of course

655
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:30,719
I had the show before they came
on it, so and I wanted to

656
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:37,639
get back closer to the original platform
that we had, and John was one

657
00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:43,960
of the individuals that that was basically
the starting point kind of the I don't

658
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,880
want to say downfall, but just
of the getting out of control, if

659
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:52,000
you will. Yeah, because because
I remember that. I remember Jenny and

660
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:59,199
I were watching that live and you
know, uh, John's arguing with with

661
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,719
the other eyes, and I remember
you just kind of sat there looking concerned,

662
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,559
and it was it was obvious from
the look on your face that that

663
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:15,599
was not what you wanted, that
you wanted to have a more constructive conversation

664
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:22,079
than what had unfolded. Absolutely,
we can disagree all day long, but

665
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:28,440
as long as we're cordial with each
other, respectful, then it's okay.

666
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,639
But when it gets out of hand
like it did, I was embarrassed.

667
00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:36,360
I thought I'd just lost control of
the entire situation. And like I said,

668
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,360
that was the beginning of the end, I think. And there were

669
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:43,800
a couple other instances that happened that
I was like, all right, that's

670
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,559
it, but we have to change
things up, like, like, what

671
00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:51,320
else happened? Did similar things happen
with other guests like that? Do you

672
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,440
mean? Yeah? Exactly? Really? We we had a gentleman on that

673
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:02,760
that uh says he experience a big
foot sighting or something to that effect,

674
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:08,960
and you know, we give everyone
a platform, right, but the way

675
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:15,480
they treated him was completely disrespectful,
and that was the last draw for me.

676
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:21,039
So, oh wow, is what
it is? I guess? Yeah?

677
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:24,239
Yeah, So now, so what
is it more like now with your

678
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:28,760
new co host lou What's I mean? You kind of told me about the

679
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,960
format, but are you doing is
it serious or there is there still a

680
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:36,880
lot of humor or or how how
is the show now? Oh yeah,

681
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,480
we keep humor in it, but
we're more structured now. We actually have

682
00:52:40,159 --> 00:52:45,239
there's basically five different segments in the
show. We're keeping it at an hour.

683
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,840
We'll have guests. First segment is
just a little bit of introduction.

684
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,480
Second segment will be whatever topic we're
going to talk about or our guest.

685
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:59,800
Our third segment is a segment that
we came up with and we call it

686
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:02,159
Story of the Week, where both
Lou and I will find a story,

687
00:53:02,159 --> 00:53:07,559
a short story and will share it. And then our second and last segment,

688
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:09,440
which is something that I'm very very
proud of all and to keep going,

689
00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:16,480
is we do a segment of Veterans
Helping Veterans' If there's veteran organizations out

690
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:20,400
there, they are doing some really
good things and we want to highlight those

691
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,360
and maybe give some people a chance
to take advantage of if they've never heard

692
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:32,039
of those organizations before. That's really
cool, that's excellent. And then lastly,

693
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:36,159
we just wrapping up to kind of
reiterate what we talked about wrapping up,

694
00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:39,079
and that's about it. You're now
you're a veteran yourself at this point,

695
00:53:39,159 --> 00:53:43,679
right, You finished up with the
military. I did. Yeah,

696
00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:46,360
I retired. Oh my god.
We haven't talked in a while. Clearly.

697
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:52,960
Yeah. I retired in two years
ago, two thousand and twenty one,

698
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,920
about a month and a half after
I retired. And if I've told

699
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:04,719
you to stop me, sure,
I got COVID. I was hospitalized for

700
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,440
it. Oh my god. While
in the hospital, I had a heart

701
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:14,400
attack. Oh my god. I
didn't realize. And I went in the

702
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:19,760
hospital feel fairly healthy other than COVID. I came out post heart attack and

703
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:25,599
a insulin to bend it type two
diabetic. Wow. COVID did a did

704
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:30,920
a number on me. You're not
kidding. Wow, if you if you

705
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:36,679
don't mind my my asking, Andy, were you vaccinated? I was not,

706
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:44,159
okay, and so my memory is
really really cloudy over that whole time

707
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:49,599
frame. Yeah, I don't remember
if they had the vaccine out yet,

708
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:57,400
oh, just out and I got
I got hammered with it. Yeah.

709
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,519
Wow. Well I'm sorry to hear
that. I'm sorry you and through that.

710
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,360
My god. Now, Now,
how are how are you now?

711
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:15,519
Physically? Actually, I'm I'm clearly
I'm not where I was and I probably

712
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:16,639
never will be. But you know, I'm doing pretty good now. I'm

713
00:55:16,639 --> 00:55:22,960
trying to stay stay on the insulin
and watch my shugars and and all that.

714
00:55:23,199 --> 00:55:27,920
My cardiologist has just cleared me to
go back to start training Brazil jiu

715
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,000
jitsu again, so that's that's definitely
a plus. Yeah, good, excellent,

716
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:37,880
excellent. Wow, I'm excited about
that. The only downside is I

717
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,480
he won't let me compete anymore.
And that's okay because I'm I'm creeping up

718
00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:47,000
there in age. I probably don't
need to be competing anyway. Well,

719
00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:51,559
I'm just glad you're okay. I
didn't yeah, I didn't realize you.

720
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:55,719
I think I remember now seeing something
on social media about about you getting COVID

721
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:00,119
and having a rough time with it, but I didn't realize you had on

722
00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:02,679
into the hospital and had a heart
heart attack in the whole deal. I'm

723
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:07,559
so sorry you went through that,
but I'm glad you're okay. That's uh.

724
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:10,320
I'm glad you are better now.
Jeez. Well, hopefully nothing like

725
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:15,320
that happens again. My god.
Well, you've really been through it,

726
00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:17,880
you know. I appreciate that,
and there's no need to be sorry,

727
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:23,199
you know, it's just another one
of those life events that kind of war

728
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:28,400
is your character and tells you a
lot about who you are. Yeah,

729
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:34,880
yeah, how did those I have
to ask this though, I'm super curious,

730
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:38,000
So how did how did this?
Well, obviously, so you had

731
00:56:38,039 --> 00:56:40,840
to take a break from the show
while this was all going on, right,

732
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,280
So when you when you went back
to doing the podcast with those guys,

733
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:51,400
because those guys were not exactly they
didn't take COVID seriously at all,

734
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:57,039
right, Vinian's and Seso. So, so how was I'm just I'm super

735
00:56:57,079 --> 00:57:00,920
curious, how was that dynamic on
the podcast? You got you got two

736
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,199
guys who call it a scam emick
or whatever, and that was the kind

737
00:57:04,199 --> 00:57:06,719
of thing that they were putting out
that really turned me off. And I

738
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,000
might have unfriended them or they might
have unfriended me, but but uh,

739
00:57:10,519 --> 00:57:15,239
but that was their attitude about it. So, so what was that dynamic

740
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,599
like when you went back after having
just gone through what you went through because

741
00:57:19,639 --> 00:57:28,280
of COVID, you know, being
introspective and thinking about it just now,

742
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,719
that was probably the catalyst of the
beginning of the end, if you will.

743
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:37,480
Yeah, so, and it was
much of the same. You know,

744
00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:40,119
yeah, you got it, okay, But I tell you what,

745
00:57:40,239 --> 00:57:44,119
man, I've I've been to combat, I've been shot at, I've been

746
00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:49,639
scared, But I was never more
scared than I was laying in that hospital

747
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:53,519
bed knowing. You know, because
my my background thirty plus years in healthcare,

748
00:57:55,079 --> 00:58:00,519
I knew exactly what was happening.
Yeah, and nothing I could do

749
00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:04,960
about it. I was so weak
and I was the pain was so intense.

750
00:58:05,719 --> 00:58:09,119
I couldn't even get to the door
to call somebody for help because I

751
00:58:09,159 --> 00:58:14,719
hit the call bell light. And
I'm not exaggerating. And people may may

752
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,840
believe this, they may not whatever, but it is what happened. It

753
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:22,920
took ten minutes for them to get
to my room. Oh and then when

754
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,079
I told him what was going on, they didn't believe me. They're like,

755
00:58:25,079 --> 00:58:28,360
no, you're not having a heart
attack. And I say, we'll

756
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,199
put give me a meat kg.
At least, I'm telling you, I've

757
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:35,840
got I've got every symptom that they're
was and they put an et KG on

758
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,360
me. They're like, oh my
god, you're having a heart attack.

759
00:58:37,719 --> 00:58:42,440
Like yeah, oh yeah, I
mean, I mean, I'm not surprised.

760
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,920
I'm not surprised it took him ten
minutes to get to you because the

761
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:50,000
hospitals were so overwhelmed, and that
was that was one of the things that

762
00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:53,440
made me so angry, you know, especially you really at the height of

763
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:58,320
the pandemic, so angry with with
COVID deniers and people who just refused to

764
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,000
take it seriously. As you know, look, our medical system is about

765
00:59:01,039 --> 00:59:06,119
to collapse under the weight of this
thing. This is happening, you know

766
00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:09,239
in cities where there are some cities
where they were bringing in refrigeration trucks because

767
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:13,280
they were running out of room to
stuff the dead bodies. I mean,

768
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,719
it really, and that happened in
the United States of America, not that

769
00:59:16,119 --> 00:59:20,119
nobody really talks about that part of
it anymore, but it happened, so

770
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,440
so I'm not surprised, Dandy that
it took them a while to get to

771
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:27,760
you, just because everybody was so
overwhelmed. You know, it doesn't surprise

772
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,119
me at all, I believe it. And the scary part was that I

773
00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:37,840
was on a COVID floor. So
those nurses, they did their job great

774
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:43,559
doing what they did, but they
didn't have experience in emergency medicine, cardiac

775
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:50,960
care, so they didn't even have
a doctor that was comfortable running a code

776
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,119
on me. They had to go
to the er and get a doctor to

777
00:59:53,159 --> 01:00:00,280
come up from the ar. Oh
wow. And so that was you know,

778
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:04,920
being alone, being in that bed. I had family or visitors or

779
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:10,320
anything. And that was probably the
most scared I've ever been. Yeah.

780
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:16,880
I don't blame you that lack of
ability to control the situation. Even in

781
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:22,840
combat, you trick yourself in your
mind to think that you have some semblants

782
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:27,079
of control because you can return fire. Yeah, but laying in that bed,

783
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:31,960
there was there was nothing. Wow. How many days were you in

784
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:39,960
the hospital, total of ten?
Ten? Yeah, uh wow, Yeah,

785
01:00:40,039 --> 01:00:44,800
that sounds brutal. I you know. I as as for myself,

786
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,800
I mean, I luckily, I've
I've dodged it right along as far as

787
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,440
I know. I mean, you
know, I'm fully vaccinated and everything.

788
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,599
I've probably had it. I've probably
had it more than once and just had

789
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:58,639
no idea. I just was asymptomatic. But I do think I had it

790
01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:02,960
early though, because on Christmas night
of twenty nineteen, before we even knew

791
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,639
that COVID was in the United States, I ended up in the emergency room

792
01:01:07,639 --> 01:01:12,719
with trouble breathing and they die.
They diagnosed me with asthma, and it

793
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,800
was weird because at least it seemed
weird at the time because asthma is something

794
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,559
you know, usually you find out
when you're a kid, you know that

795
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:22,639
you have asthma, not you don't
usually find out at my age. And

796
01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:29,039
I remember the medical team that was
in the er that night. They were

797
01:01:29,079 --> 01:01:31,760
a little bit perplexed, Like I
remember one of the doctors. I remember

798
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:36,519
the doctor saying to me, no
one's ever told you before you have asthma,

799
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:40,880
because you're clearly having an asthma attack, that that's clearly what the problem

800
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,760
is here. And I'm like,
this is all new to me, you

801
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,199
know, as I'm sitting there,
as I'm sitting there trying to breathe,

802
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:51,320
you know, I'm like, I
don't know. But but anyway, so

803
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:53,800
now, but we didn't know COVID
was here, so but it was.

804
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,920
We know now that it was here
at that point. So looking back,

805
01:01:58,119 --> 01:02:02,639
I think I had COVID, and
I think the COVID may have permanently damaged

806
01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:07,320
my lungs because I still today I
use a maintenance and hailer once a day

807
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,480
and I carry a rescue and hailer
just in case. And so I that

808
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:14,559
that's it's a theory, can't prove
it, We'll never know. But and

809
01:02:14,719 --> 01:02:16,760
when I saw my primary care physician, he said, yeah, it's it's

810
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:21,840
a good possibility, but we'll never
know, you know, But I think

811
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,599
you're onto something there. I think
a lot of people have had it before

812
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:30,440
they really knew what it was right. In fact, they wanted to do

813
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:37,239
a bypass. They wanted to do
open heart surgery on me, and they

814
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,320
refused to do with the anesthesiologist and
the intern is refused to do it because

815
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:45,760
they said, my lungs are so
damaged from COVID that I probably would not

816
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:51,400
survive the anesthesia. Oh wow,
So what we did? They end up

817
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,079
putting in a stent. And since
I've had the stent placed, you know,

818
01:02:54,239 --> 01:02:59,800
things things are better. I just
I have to, you know,

819
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:04,159
spending as much time as I did
in the military, institutionalized at this point,

820
01:03:04,519 --> 01:03:08,239
and I have to make it an
effort to say, hey, it's

821
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:14,239
okay not to push, slow down, stop, because my whole adult life

822
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,519
is you just suck it up and
you drive on it's a pain or anything.

823
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:21,440
But now I have to be smarter
and realize that doing that could kill

824
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:25,400
me. Yeah, exactly, Now
I can imagine where that's That's not easy.

825
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:32,800
It was a very humbling experience.
Strangely, I'm glad that it happened.

826
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:40,519
Really, it really it puts a
lot of things into the proper context

827
01:03:40,639 --> 01:03:46,000
in your life. Yeah, get
you, get you. I don't want

828
01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:50,239
to say on the straight and narrow, but it really makes you re evaluate

829
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:53,400
either some of the choices you made
in the past or some of the choices

830
01:03:53,440 --> 01:04:00,119
that you were thinking of making.
And yeah, it's life altering for sure

831
01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:05,800
in many many ways. Yeah,
well that that makes sense. Wow.

832
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:10,960
Well, Andy, I really appreciate
the call today. It's great to hear

833
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,360
from you. And where, So
where do we find the new version of

834
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,079
Nothing's Off the Table? Where can
where can people get it? So we

835
01:04:19,199 --> 01:04:24,440
still have our YouTube channel, Nothing's
Off the Table, Okay, So you

836
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,639
can find the past episodes there.
You can download it an episode if you

837
01:04:28,639 --> 01:04:30,960
don't want to watch, you can
download just the audio version on any of

838
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:36,000
the major platforms that post podcasting.
Spotify lives in all of those. Yeah,

839
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:40,960
and of course we are still attempting
to do it live, but we've

840
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:45,800
changed the day and the time.
We are doing it live on Facebook on

841
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:50,840
the not Facebook page and OTT and
we're doing it Friday evenings at eight pm

842
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:57,400
Central Standard time. Excellent, excellent, very good. Well I will I

843
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,639
will check it out, my friend. And I do hope, I sincerely,

844
01:05:00,679 --> 01:05:02,719
I hope John takes you up on
your offer. I think he should.

845
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,960
And you know, I'm gonna get
with you offline and get his information

846
01:05:08,039 --> 01:05:11,360
because I don't have it, and
I would really really like to have them

847
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:15,800
back, just to kind of maybe
make things right, because I really didn't

848
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,920
like the way he was treated.
Yeah, and you guys, I'm sure,

849
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,360
I'm sure he'll appreciate that. And
you know, and he's a veteran

850
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:26,480
as well, and uh, you
know, I'm sure I'm sure under the

851
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:31,519
improved circumstances, you guys will have
a really good discussion. So we'll we'll

852
01:05:31,519 --> 01:05:36,519
make that happen. And yeah,
we'll we'll we'll make sure that you're able

853
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:40,760
to get in touch with him and
uh and we'll let you go. Andy,

854
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,159
But thank you so much, my
friend. A great to hear from

855
01:05:43,199 --> 01:05:45,079
you, and uh, let's let's
talk again soon and uh, and we'll

856
01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:49,280
talk offline obviously, Okay, thanks
Matt, all right, you got it.

857
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:53,880
Andy, take care all right,
bye bye bye bye. Well that

858
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,639
was a cool surprise. So that
is Andy Barker from the Nothing's Off the

859
01:05:57,639 --> 01:06:01,880
Table podcast, and boy, I'm
sorry to hear about what he went through.

860
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:06,719
I like I said, I remember
seeing something on social media about him

861
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,480
getting COVID and being sick, but
I didn't know it was that bad.

862
01:06:10,599 --> 01:06:14,400
Wow. So I'm glad he's all
right. Miriam is in the chat room.

863
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:15,760
She said, you know, she's
been dealing with COVID. She says,

864
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:20,719
COVID sucks. I'm fortunate there are
treatments. Yeah, I mean,

865
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:26,480
fortunately, luckily, we're at a
point now where with the packs leavid and

866
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:31,079
other therapeutics. I heard one I
don't know if it was an immunologist or

867
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:39,199
a virologist or an epidemiologist one of
those is saying that at this point,

868
01:06:39,239 --> 01:06:44,679
even with underlying conditions, at this
point, no one should be dying,

869
01:06:45,239 --> 01:06:49,239
certainly from COVID with the treatments that
are available, and obviously the virus itself

870
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:54,599
is much weaker than it was with
the newer variants are weaker. I mean,

871
01:06:54,639 --> 01:06:58,800
it's still here, you know,
we're My theory is that we're stuck

872
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:00,880
with this for the rest of our
laws. COVID will never be gone,

873
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:06,199
but you know, it'll it'll continue
to kind of recede into the background and

874
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:13,760
be more of a nuisance than a
well, a deadly pandemic. And hopefully

875
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,360
we don't have to. You know, pandemics seem to roll around historically about

876
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:20,199
once a century, so hopefully we
don't have to go through that again in

877
01:07:20,239 --> 01:07:28,280
our lifetimes, but you never know. Yeah, Miriam says, uh,

878
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,320
I have it right now. And
even with packs Lavid it is being a

879
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:38,519
much less deadly variant, it's still
scary and painful and awful. And Jenny

880
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:41,559
says, boy, do I hear
that sentiment, which I believe is in

881
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:45,400
response to what Andy was saying about
you know how what he went through really

882
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:53,199
helped him to reevaluate and sort of
reprioritize what matters in life and so forth.

883
01:07:53,239 --> 01:07:58,559
And you know, Jenny, of
course herself a cancer survivor. Andy

884
01:07:58,599 --> 01:08:00,880
says, thanks for letting me chat, miss you guys. Yeah, I'm

885
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:04,519
really glad you called us. Andy, Thank you call us anytime, all

886
01:08:04,599 --> 01:08:08,880
right? We should. Oh,
and I see somebody I think that's a

887
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:13,000
new name in the Facebook live chat. Jason. Jason joins us in the

888
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,920
Facebook live chat, and I want
to see if there's anybody else in there

889
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:19,560
I missed, and then we gotta
get to him. Oh, Mike from

890
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:24,520
Queen City Cabinetry is in there.
Mike, of course, one of our

891
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:28,640
great Queen City Cabinetry, one of
our great sponsors here at w mnhey five

892
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,359
point three FM, and of course
Mike one of our co hosts. On

893
01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:39,680
Retrospectrum Radio on Friday nights. Uh, let's see. John Oppwood said Robert

894
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:43,439
Reid won an Emmy for playing a
cross dresser. Didn't he did? He

895
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,840
as referring to my Robert Reid impression
earlier. Okay, let's get to a

896
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,760
break. We're going to be too. Actually, I'm gonna play a song

897
01:08:53,239 --> 01:08:55,439
and then we're gonna be and then
we're going to show some love to our

898
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,760
amazing sponsors, and then we'll be
back with the balance of our show.

899
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,479
But I haven't played this one in
a while. This is uh song called

900
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,800
Reconnection from Eons and Coded. They're
from right up the road and conquered New

901
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,680
Hampshire. But I was got a
good, good positive response when I play

902
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:10,279
this track, so let's give this
a listen and then we'll be back with

903
01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:15,520
more Matt Connerton Unleashed. Oh,
Sue's Spencer from the UK is in the

904
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:20,239
chat says disease x X is apparently
the next pandemic and vaccines are being created

905
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:25,520
to counteract it already. Oh my
goodness, I've had enough of pandemics,

906
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:30,439
that's for sure. All right,
this is eons and coded reconnection and we'll

907
01:09:30,479 --> 01:10:15,479
be back. Don't go away.
Welcome back everybody as we cruise into our

908
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:19,760
final segment today of Matt Connerton Unleashed. And we are live from the studios

909
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:26,399
of w m n H ninety five
point three FM in glorious downtown Manchester,

910
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:31,439
New Hampshire, also on Comcast now
we're on channel six on the cable if

911
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:34,319
you are in Manchester, and of
course hello to all of our online listeners

912
01:10:34,359 --> 01:10:38,319
across the nation and around the globe. You can go to my website Matt

913
01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:41,880
Connerton dot com for all of your
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914
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:45,800
contact info, show archives, et
cetera, et cetera. Today is Thursday

915
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:49,039
August ten, two thousand twenty three, so nice to have you all with

916
01:10:49,039 --> 01:10:53,920
me. Uh. The studio line
is open six zero three two five zero

917
01:10:54,039 --> 01:10:57,800
six zero seven six ZHO three two
five zero six zero seven. You can

918
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,039
also text me at six one seven
nine one seven four four seven six.

919
01:11:00,279 --> 01:11:04,800
I'm on social media at Matt Connerton. You can email me Matt at Matt

920
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:10,239
Connerton dot com, and of course
you can interact endo Pine in the Facebook

921
01:11:10,279 --> 01:11:12,079
live chat. But the best thing
to do so that we can hear and

922
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:15,119
enjoy your dulcet tones is give us
a call at six o three two five

923
01:11:15,239 --> 01:11:18,680
zero six zero seven, and I
believe Ron is back on the line.

924
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:24,319
Hi, Ron, Yes, Hi, Matt. Their caller that you had

925
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:28,800
Candy. I would have liked to
have his own. Was he on a

926
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:32,880
ship and uh, you know,
was the ship and I'm dated with cases

927
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:38,800
of COVID because you know, we
had problems in the military at that time

928
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:43,760
with submarines and ships and all the
above, you know, people working,

929
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,479
uh i'm in, i'm or fine
spaces, that kind of thing. Soh

930
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,760
yeah, yeah, I would like
to have known how much if he was

931
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,960
on a ship, how much of
his the ship, how many people on

932
01:11:54,039 --> 01:11:58,600
the ship were diagnosed with it?
Right right? Yeah? I would I

933
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,880
would be curious to know that as
well, I don't think. I don't

934
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:04,159
think he was actively on a ship
later in his career, but I could

935
01:12:04,199 --> 01:12:12,000
be wrong. Okay, and kudos, so that moved I don't know,

936
01:12:12,119 --> 01:12:15,319
you know, I mean, since
I don't listen to the radio other than

937
01:12:15,399 --> 01:12:18,039
talk radio, I don't listen to
musical a whole lot, especially hot rock,

938
01:12:18,079 --> 01:12:20,720
because I just, you know,
it's just not one of the things.

939
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:25,319
Yeah, but I did really good. I couldn't have. I was

940
01:12:25,359 --> 01:12:28,159
asking myself, I wonder how big
they are. I mean, did they

941
01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:31,680
just do vocals or the things on
vinyl? Because that was really awesome the

942
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:35,840
band I just played the song I
just played. Yeah, Ian's encoded.

943
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:40,920
Uh, it's actually just one guy, but he plays all the instruments himself.

944
01:12:41,399 --> 01:12:45,960
He's from Conquered And yeah, every
time I we got to get him

945
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:46,880
on the show. I've never had
him on the show, but every time

946
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:50,079
I play that song, I always
get a positive response. People really dig

947
01:12:50,119 --> 01:12:54,279
it, which is interesting because it's
kind of an unusual song in the sense

948
01:12:54,279 --> 01:12:58,199
that it's not something that you would
hear on the radio normally. It's a

949
01:12:58,199 --> 01:13:01,319
little it's a little different. It's
unique, but it's so good and yeah,

950
01:13:01,359 --> 01:13:05,439
people really dig that track. He's
got other music too on bandcamp dot

951
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:10,439
com, but that's that song is
my personal favorite. It's called uh uh,

952
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:15,680
it's called Reconnection, and the band
is or the artists eons encoded from

953
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,319
Conquered. Yeah, well, you
know, they really sounded like a veteran

954
01:13:19,359 --> 01:13:23,680
band. And you say it's a
it's a solo guy. But yeah,

955
01:13:24,119 --> 01:13:27,720
you know some bands when they get
together, you can you just hear the

956
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,399
the inexperienced kind of sounds poor per
se, you know, try to describe.

957
01:13:30,399 --> 01:13:36,119
But sure, they sounded like deeping. He sounded like a couplet veterans

958
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:39,960
like. So, I don't know, anyway, I really liked the song

959
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,760
because I guess what I'm trying to
say. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

960
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,479
well me too, all right,
Buddy tells it. I who was just

961
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:51,359
curious about that guy Andy Jazz and
I just knowing, just knowing that how

962
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:55,479
much it affected the military. You
know what else I'd like to know because

963
01:13:55,520 --> 01:14:00,239
COVID doesn't even mentioned anymore. Globally, we're the still where are the hot

964
01:14:00,279 --> 01:14:04,399
spots? Is still? Or is
everything pretty much? I think? I

965
01:14:04,399 --> 01:14:10,119
think I think in China they're still
having a pretty rough time with it,

966
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:15,439
but they've they've done such a poor
job of getting people vaccinated. They have

967
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:20,079
their own vaccine in China. I
think it's called sign of vax and apparently

968
01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:24,159
it's not very effective, and they
were offered help, you know, with

969
01:14:24,319 --> 01:14:27,479
mRNA vaccines, but they wanted to
do their own thing. And I think

970
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:31,720
this sign of vax vax is uh
has a very low efficacy rate, so

971
01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:35,680
they continue to struggle with it.
At least last I knew that was the

972
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:44,399
case. All right, man,
you know that was it one time?

973
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:48,079
All right, Ron, I appreciate
the call, thank you, bye bye.

974
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:50,479
All right, that was our friend, Ron, and that does open

975
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:55,039
up the line for you. Six
zo three two five six seven six zo

976
01:14:55,119 --> 01:14:58,840
three two five six zero seven.
Yeah, I know that. And China's

977
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,600
economy has really taken a eating because
of it. We've talked about it on

978
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:08,079
the show. The incredible mishandling by
the government there and Xijing ping of COVID.

979
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:13,880
You know, they do these lockdowns
there where they'll pretty much locked down

980
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,560
an entire city and it's very very
strict. You know, we kind of

981
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:23,000
when we use that term here in
the United States at the height of the

982
01:15:23,039 --> 01:15:26,680
pandemic, you know, the term
lockdown or phrases like shelter in place.

983
01:15:27,239 --> 01:15:31,039
We tended to use them a little
bit loosely here no one was really lockdown

984
01:15:31,159 --> 01:15:38,479
per se. But but in China
they take it very seriously. But see,

985
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:43,159
what they should have done was if
they were gonna do that and be

986
01:15:43,399 --> 01:15:45,720
super strict about it, they should
have had a plan in place too.

987
01:15:46,399 --> 01:15:50,039
They should have accepted help with the
vaccines instead of using their own vaccine,

988
01:15:50,039 --> 01:15:56,520
which apparently is garbage. And when
they had a massive lockdown, used that

989
01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:00,560
opportunity to get everybody vaccinated. You
know, have some have people going around

990
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:09,079
to everyone's home and getting them vaccinated, but they blew it. It's strange,

991
01:16:09,279 --> 01:16:14,439
how you know China they have you
know, they have these long term

992
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:17,239
plans, these fifty year plans,
one hundred a year plans, and you

993
01:16:17,279 --> 01:16:23,000
know, they're really good long term
planners, and yet they've consistently mismanaged well

994
01:16:23,039 --> 01:16:26,520
I mean, look, I mean, you know the virus getting out of

995
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:30,279
China to begin with, They've they've
just mismanaged it every step of the way,

996
01:16:30,399 --> 01:16:35,920
and their economy has really suffered because
of it. Oh, hello to

997
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:41,199
Marco Mueller or Muller. I'm never
sure how to say the last name another

998
01:16:41,279 --> 01:16:45,279
very talented musician. The band is
a factory of art. I think,

999
01:16:45,319 --> 01:16:48,439
I hope I have the right band. Marco from Germany and we had them

1000
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:53,800
on the show. Another great band. Mike from Queen City Cabinetry says I

1001
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:59,319
heard they blamed it on a Godzilla. Uh No, that would be uh

1002
01:16:59,399 --> 01:17:03,239
I think that would be the Japanese
Godzilla is a Japanese right. I remember

1003
01:17:03,239 --> 01:17:08,840
seeing those movies on Channel fifty six
when I was a kid, like Godzilla

1004
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,960
versus Rodan. I think Rodan was
the one that flew around and breathed fire,

1005
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:16,239
and I never understood the appeal of
those films. I find them tedious.

1006
01:17:17,359 --> 01:17:21,199
Let's see, Eon Venom four is
in the Facebook live chat now.

1007
01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:27,199
I just played a song from the
band Eons and Coded, and now Eon

1008
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:31,840
Venom four is in the Facebook live
chat. A coincidence, I think not.

1009
01:17:35,159 --> 01:17:42,239
Jenny shared something in the chat two
very very cool. This article that

1010
01:17:42,279 --> 01:17:45,600
she wrote that just got published.
So this just happened while we were on

1011
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:55,680
the air. This went up.
Oh here we go. This is up

1012
01:17:55,720 --> 01:18:04,239
at RSDA dot org. It's called
Everyone Deserves Access to the Best. So

1013
01:18:04,319 --> 01:18:09,079
Jenny wrote this for that for that
site. Again, this just went up.

1014
01:18:09,359 --> 01:18:13,359
She's got a lot of articles published. Uh, I think she has

1015
01:18:13,399 --> 01:18:15,279
other things there, and of course
she's she has articles that go up on

1016
01:18:15,319 --> 01:18:20,319
the Mighty the mighty dot com all
the time. So she's she's done very

1017
01:18:20,319 --> 01:18:24,239
well with that. Very proud of
her and her ongoing you know, this

1018
01:18:24,319 --> 01:18:30,560
is just another component of her ongoing
activism for for healthcare. But yeah,

1019
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:34,720
check that out. So that is
up right now at rs DS dot org.

1020
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:46,840
Let's see. Yon Venom four will
be performing for karaoke at Center City

1021
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:53,520
Park, downtown Greensboro, North Carolina. By the way, now we won't

1022
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:59,000
go back to that, Oh,
Yan Venom four says, uh, yesterday

1023
01:18:59,039 --> 01:19:02,720
hashtag Matt was Cholly on Skype.
She is so talent. We said,

1024
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,079
yes, yes, let me give
these studio line one more time and then

1025
01:19:06,079 --> 01:19:11,279
we'll get into something. It's been
a busy show, which is good.

1026
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:15,920
That's that's what we like. But
six O three two five six six three

1027
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,920
two five six Z seven is a
studio line. Oh, I should mention

1028
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:23,600
two Tonight is Trivia Night at the
Hop. Nut are amazing sponsor at one

1029
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:27,640
thousand ELM Street. I would strongly
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1030
01:19:28,079 --> 01:19:30,760
to reserve a spot if you are
going to be participating in the trivia,

1031
01:19:31,159 --> 01:19:41,479
because those spots do fill up quickly. Something that has been in the news

1032
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:47,680
that is only gets a little bit
of attention because you know, so much

1033
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:53,119
of the oxygen is uh in terms
of the media is taken up by Trump

1034
01:19:53,119 --> 01:19:56,319
and his multiple indictments and all of
that. And I've been kind of avoiding

1035
01:19:56,319 --> 01:19:59,640
talking about that because if you're just
joining us, I mentioned earlier in the

1036
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:01,560
show, and I've been mentioning in
all week, I seem to speaking of

1037
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:08,479
sickness, I have a fever,
and the fever I believe is caused by

1038
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:15,439
TFS Trump fatigue syndrome, and uh, I'm just tired of it all.

1039
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:19,880
So I've been avoiding that a bit. And again it's not in any way

1040
01:20:20,079 --> 01:20:24,880
intended as a criticism of the media. Obviously, it's a major story,

1041
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:28,560
so you know they're going to focus
on it quite a bit, but I'm

1042
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:33,000
I'm kind of burned out on it. No what I wanted to talk about

1043
01:20:33,039 --> 01:20:35,560
just a little bit, And this
is something where I would love to get

1044
01:20:36,319 --> 01:20:41,520
feedback from the listeners, either on
the studio line or in the chat room,

1045
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:44,199
or of course you can also text
me at six one seven nine one

1046
01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:48,079
seven four four seven six, email
me Matt at Matt Connerton. Jay Fed

1047
01:20:48,159 --> 01:20:50,640
says, you spent a lot of
time not talking about it. I know

1048
01:20:53,399 --> 01:20:58,520
it's hard to avoid, but anyway, no, something that is has kind

1049
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:02,840
of been a bit of a background
story, shall we say, But it's

1050
01:21:03,039 --> 01:21:12,479
this has been discussed more online than
in mainstream media. I think this particular

1051
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:16,159
subject. A lot of podcasts are
talking about this. For example, New

1052
01:21:16,199 --> 01:21:23,039
York Post has a story up the
shoplifting epidemic taking over America with a one

1053
01:21:23,119 --> 01:21:29,720
hundred billion dollar annual price tag.
There are a lot of stories about shoplifting,

1054
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:36,239
big increases going on in shoplifting.
And I have some insight on this

1055
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:40,720
partly because you know, I used
to be a store manager at a retail

1056
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:44,439
chain, a major retail chain,
and so you know, we call it

1057
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:47,479
loss prevention in retail. That was
a big That was always a big subject,

1058
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:51,960
especially you know, working in a
store that's old DVDs and CDs,

1059
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:57,880
and you know, people would come
in and steal from us. And actually

1060
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:00,640
the company that I worked for too, we all so not only did we

1061
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:05,520
have to contend with people coming in
and stealing product, not just you know,

1062
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:10,359
people who would come in and stuff
a DVD down their pants, but

1063
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:14,880
also what they call professional shoplifters,
people who come in with what they call

1064
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:18,079
a booster bag. And what a
booster bag is, and anyone who's ever

1065
01:22:18,119 --> 01:22:21,520
worked in retail will know this.
A booster bag is a bag that you

1066
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:27,000
line with duct tape, so when
you shove stuff into the bag, it

1067
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:30,079
doesn't set off, it doesn't set
off the alarm when you leave the store,

1068
01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:33,239
the sensors don't pick it up.
I forget what that system is called.

1069
01:22:35,039 --> 01:22:39,359
So we would have to contend with
that. But also the company that

1070
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:44,319
I worked for, we would buy
used product from customers. We would buy

1071
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:48,159
use CDs and DVDs, so we
would also have to deal with customers bringing

1072
01:22:48,199 --> 01:22:54,159
in stolen merchandise to sell to us
that we would then resell as used,

1073
01:22:55,520 --> 01:23:00,720
and that caused all kinds of problems. You know, obvious, I'm sure

1074
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:05,159
the vast majority of the people who
brought in items to sell to us that

1075
01:23:05,199 --> 01:23:11,800
they didn't want anymore, We're perfectly
honest, but clearly some of them were

1076
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:15,840
not, and some of them were
really obvious about what they were up to.

1077
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:20,279
So anyway, so I know a
little bit about this, but there

1078
01:23:20,279 --> 01:23:25,399
seems to be an epidemic of shoplifting
across the country, and in some places,

1079
01:23:25,399 --> 01:23:29,479
like they've had this problem in San
Francisco where stores have closed or they've

1080
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:31,680
had to put everything behind glass,
or you know, even things like I

1081
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:36,479
don't know, toothpaste, you know, different things that you wouldn't normally expect

1082
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:40,720
to be certainly not high ticket items, but the shoplifting has got to be

1083
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:45,520
so out of control. And different
retailers too, have different rules of engagement.

1084
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:48,319
You know, can you confront the
shoplifter? Should you confront the shoplifter?

1085
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:53,640
Are we actually paying you enough to
even take the risk of confronting the

1086
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:59,800
shoplifter because what if they become violent? You know, there's it's a much

1087
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:05,479
more aren't complex issue than I think
people probably realize. But also with inflation,

1088
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:11,039
everything costs more, so that increases
shoplifting. I'm sure that's part of

1089
01:24:11,039 --> 01:24:15,399
it. But what also has been
really interesting to me about this it's not

1090
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:21,960
just the shoplifting problem itself, which
seems to be gripping the country at this

1091
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:27,760
point, but also the way people
have been reacting to it. And this

1092
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,760
is the part where I really would
like to get some feedback from listeners on

1093
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:36,800
this, because you know, you
have you have what I refer to them

1094
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:44,520
simply as the online left, which
are you know, liberal left leaning podcasters

1095
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:53,359
who some of them, some of
them actually are very sympathetic to the shoplifters

1096
01:24:54,039 --> 01:24:57,840
because what they argue is and again
not all of them, some of them,

1097
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:03,239
there's there's a schism. There's a
schism going on here. I like

1098
01:25:03,279 --> 01:25:09,760
the word schism, big fan of
a good schism with the online left,

1099
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:14,880
because you have some of them who
have actually kind of justified all the shoplifting

1100
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:20,560
and said, look, these are
people who clearly they're poor, they're desperate,

1101
01:25:21,159 --> 01:25:27,439
they need basic things like toothpaste and
toilet paper, and they don't have

1102
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,680
a choice. So that's why they're
shoplifting. They don't have a choice,

1103
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:36,239
or maybe for some it's even some
sort of a statement against capitalism. And

1104
01:25:36,279 --> 01:25:40,680
then you have the more moderate online
left, you know, like the Young

1105
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:44,920
Turks, for example, Jank Huger
and Ani Kasparian, who are saying,

1106
01:25:45,279 --> 01:25:49,560
uh, no, stealing is not
okay. I mean, obviously if you're

1107
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:55,520
desperate and you have no choice,
you know, like that song Hunger Strike

1108
01:25:55,600 --> 01:26:00,279
and remember that hunger strike. I
don't mind stealing bread. You know,

1109
01:26:00,319 --> 01:26:03,479
if you have to steal bread to
feed yourself or your family, then you're

1110
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:05,880
gonna have to steal that bread.
I mean, obviously, you know,

1111
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:12,520
none of this is absolute, but
but you know, the more moderate online

1112
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:15,720
left is saying, actually, no, this is not okay, and you

1113
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:20,479
can't just justify all this thievery.
You know, yes, there are people

1114
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:26,680
who are in dire circumstances. But
I think the people who are justifying it,

1115
01:26:27,039 --> 01:26:32,319
part of what they don't realize is
and I've I've realized that they don't

1116
01:26:32,319 --> 01:26:36,600
get this just from some of the
conversations that I've watched and listened to online

1117
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:43,640
about this. Some people don't understand
that there are other reasons people shoplift.

1118
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,159
It's not just out of desperation,
you know, because the people who will

1119
01:26:47,239 --> 01:26:50,640
justify it, they always say,
well, obviously they're desperate, they don't

1120
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:55,039
want to be stealing, they're just
desperate. Yes, that is the case,

1121
01:26:55,119 --> 01:26:58,880
and probably for most of them.
But there are also people who shoplift

1122
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:03,520
for the thrill of it. That
is a thing. And there are also

1123
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:09,279
people who might shoplift because it's a
game. You know, there's there you

1124
01:27:09,319 --> 01:27:11,960
know, they they and there a
group of friends. You know, Oh,

1125
01:27:12,239 --> 01:27:14,560
I dare you to go steal that? Okay, I'll go steal it.

1126
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:17,520
That goes on. But also there
is and and the people who are

1127
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:21,880
justifying it seemed to be completely oblivious
to this part. And again, if

1128
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:25,880
you haven't worked in retail, maybe
you don't know. But there there are

1129
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:29,800
professional shoplifters. Like I said with
the booster bags, there are people who

1130
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:33,840
steal things professionally with the sole intent
of them because that's a pretty good profit

1131
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:36,319
margin. Right, you stole it, you got it for free, and

1132
01:27:36,319 --> 01:27:41,319
then you resell it, sell it
online, sell it on Amazon or eBay

1133
01:27:41,399 --> 01:27:47,079
or whatever at a profit. Right, not bad. There are professional shoplifting

1134
01:27:47,279 --> 01:27:56,000
rings, groups of people who actually
will go what they'll one thing that they'll

1135
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,359
do. And this is something that
the company that I used to work for

1136
01:27:58,399 --> 01:28:02,359
I had to deal with. Is
they would go in this group of people,

1137
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:06,960
they go into a store and a
couple of them say, say there's

1138
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:11,760
a group of five people. They
all and they don't all necessarily walk in

1139
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:15,079
at once because that would be too
obvious. So they might walk in one

1140
01:28:15,119 --> 01:28:16,199
at a time, but space it
out a little bit, so it's not

1141
01:28:16,359 --> 01:28:19,640
obvious, you don't know that they're
all together, but a couple of them

1142
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:25,039
might have booster bags to shove things
into, and a couple others might be

1143
01:28:25,079 --> 01:28:33,399
acting as decoys. So you might
have somebody approaching you asking you questions about,

1144
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:36,560
hey, where can I find data
DA. Meanwhile, one of their

1145
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:42,520
partners, partners in crime specifically,
is stuff and a booster bag full of

1146
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:46,680
merchandise while you're distracted helping this other
customer. And we live in a time

1147
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:55,079
now where because nobody has enough help, there's I'm sure many instances where people

1148
01:28:55,119 --> 01:29:00,199
are by themselves, or these stores
are so understaffed they can't watch everybody,

1149
01:29:00,319 --> 01:29:04,640
and they certainly, if, if
only, if you've got a big store

1150
01:29:05,079 --> 01:29:09,960
and there's only one person on duty
or two people on duty because they can't

1151
01:29:10,039 --> 01:29:15,720
hire anybody else, then a group
of professional shoplifters going in there, they're

1152
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:19,239
gonna have their way with that place, because the fewer people who are working

1153
01:29:19,239 --> 01:29:21,800
there, the easier it is to
overwhelm them. I don't mean overwhelmed them

1154
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:27,000
violently, I just mean overwhelmed them
as as in, you know, one

1155
01:29:27,039 --> 01:29:30,600
person distracts them while the other fills
their booster back so that's something I don't

1156
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,119
think people understand, you know,
obviously, I mean, I'm a very

1157
01:29:33,119 --> 01:29:36,960
empathetic person and I'm certainly I have
great sympathy for anyone who's in need,

1158
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,920
who's who is stealing, not that
I'm justifying it. I would never justify

1159
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:45,560
it, but you also kind of
have to do what you have to do.

1160
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:53,279
So somebody who's stealing something because they
have no other option, well that's

1161
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:57,319
it's not okay. But I'm not
gonna make any judgment about it either.

1162
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:01,439
But I don't think people realize the
people who would actually go and justify that,

1163
01:30:02,359 --> 01:30:08,319
that there are professionals out there who
do this specifically or or or they

1164
01:30:08,319 --> 01:30:12,760
do the smash and grab where again, we've seen this with groups of people

1165
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:16,319
who go into a store all at
the same time, and they create chaos,

1166
01:30:16,399 --> 01:30:21,479
and meanwhile somebody's you know, literally
smashing a display case or something and

1167
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:28,000
pulling out expensive items and running out
with it. So this is really a

1168
01:30:28,079 --> 01:30:35,920
problem. But I've been I've been
surprised at how many people online are are

1169
01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:42,439
justifying this behavior and rationalizing it.
It's it's been a bit stunning to me.

1170
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:45,880
But again, I have a specific
point of view partly you know,

1171
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:48,600
who knows. Maybe if maybe if
I hadn't worked in retail and hadn't dealt

1172
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:55,439
with this this kind of thing,
maybe I would have Maybe I wouldn't have

1173
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:58,399
the perspective that I do. But
this is from the New York Posts.

1174
01:30:58,399 --> 01:31:02,760
A shoplifting epidemic taking over America with
a one hundred billion dollars annual price tag.

1175
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:08,960
It says here the stories are everywhere. Walmart store closures in Portland and

1176
01:31:09,159 --> 01:31:15,000
Chicago. Assume Portland, Oregon,
not Portland, Maine. An epidemic of

1177
01:31:15,079 --> 01:31:24,199
drug store thefts in New York.
In Baltimore, a Landmark grocery store shuts

1178
01:31:24,199 --> 01:31:28,479
its stores after nearly twenty five years
in a community desperate for fresh food.

1179
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:33,239
While in San Francisco, reports of
big box chains abandoning it's downtown have become

1180
01:31:33,319 --> 01:31:38,039
nearly daily occurrences. Yeah, in
San Francisco, I think it's been the

1181
01:31:38,039 --> 01:31:43,319
worst of anywhere. They also have
an out of control homeless problem in San

1182
01:31:43,359 --> 01:31:46,399
Francisco, So that might be in
San Francisco, it might legitimately be just

1183
01:31:47,199 --> 01:31:53,439
desperate people and not But then again, see that's the thing though, in

1184
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:59,039
that chaos as opportunity. If you
are a professional shoplifter or part of a

1185
01:31:59,039 --> 01:32:03,239
professional shoplift ring. You might go
to San Francisco because in all this mass

1186
01:32:04,399 --> 01:32:10,239
of people who are genuinely desperate doing
all this thieving, why not get in

1187
01:32:10,319 --> 01:32:15,840
on some of that? Right,
So it says here the cause rampant,

1188
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:24,079
often organized and seemingly consequence less shoplifting. Indeed, the US is deep and

1189
01:32:24,199 --> 01:32:30,199
what many are calling an epidemic of
thefts that cost retailers nearly one hundred billion

1190
01:32:30,239 --> 01:32:35,079
dollars in twenty twenty one. Now, let's talk about the cost of this

1191
01:32:35,159 --> 01:32:39,000
for a moment. Okay, that's
so, that's the number there they put

1192
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:42,640
on it here in twenty twenty,
one hundred billion dollars. Again, there

1193
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:45,800
are those, and you'll particularly find
this in the far left segment of the

1194
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:50,279
online left, who would say,
well, who cares? Who cares about

1195
01:32:50,279 --> 01:32:57,560
these companies losing money? You know, and I understand that if you know,

1196
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,119
if you hear, look, if
you're a story about somebody shoplifting from

1197
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:05,159
Walmart, you're probably not going to
feel You're probably not going to be nearly

1198
01:33:05,199 --> 01:33:09,560
as bothered by that, for example, as if you hear a story of

1199
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:13,920
somebody shoplifting from a local mom and
pop store that's just scraping by as they

1200
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:16,600
are, right, So I sort
of understand the lack of sympathy to a

1201
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:21,600
degree. But again, what I
think people might not realize is that cost

1202
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:30,560
gets passed on. If you are
if things are constantly being stolen. Yeah,

1203
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:32,000
you can say, oh, I
don't have any sympathy for this major

1204
01:33:32,079 --> 01:33:39,600
retail chain because I don't like capitalism
or whatever your reason is. But that

1205
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:43,359
does inflate the prices, right.
That actually contributes to inflation. Not as

1206
01:33:43,399 --> 01:33:49,039
much as other factors, I'm sure, but the more thievery that goes on,

1207
01:33:49,159 --> 01:33:55,439
the more things are going to cost, and that affects everybody, it

1208
01:33:55,479 --> 01:34:00,319
says here, and this epidemic is
impacting both the bottom lines and operation little

1209
01:34:00,319 --> 01:34:08,479
strategies of massive companies ranging from Macy's
to Alta. From twenty fourteen to twenty

1210
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:13,199
fifteen, I lived on Los Angeles'
skid row as a homeless drug addict.

1211
01:34:13,279 --> 01:34:16,640
Again, this is from the article
This isn't Me My daily heroin and crack

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cocaine Habit cost hundreds of dollars,
which I primarily supported through professional shoplifting also

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known as boosting. Hence that's why
they call it a booster bag that bag

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I was talking about earlier. The
trade was lucrative and the threat of arrest

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was fairly minimal. Across the political
spectrums, analysts and academics endlessly debate the

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causes of the scourge, but for
me, the roots could not be clearer.

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Working just a few hours a day
working quote unquote, I would quote

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unquote earn up to three hundred fifty
dollars in untaxed cash, which allowed me

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to maintain my drug habit for over
a year. Items that are typically boosted

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and then sold to stolen merchandise deal
also known as fences, are mostly health

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and beauty products, over the counter
medications, and even food. Once a

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working relationship is set up with a
fence, they'll typically provide grocery lists of

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the items they're seeking, and boosters
like I once was or usually paid between

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ten to twenty percent of their retail
value back Then, fences either resold the

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stolen goods to local corner stores or
set up tables at unofficial flea markets to

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offload their items. In recent years, however, fences have also turned to

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Amazon, eBay, and even Facebook, where they sell their stolen bounty with

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ease. This, in combination with
lax enforcement policies in major cities like San

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Francisco and New York City, has
created an economic boom for thievery ten years

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ago. During my criminal career,
there was always the threat of arrest,

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even after passing a Prop. Forty
seven. The passing of Prop. Forty

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seven and twenty fourteen, which made
shoplifting items valued at more than nine hundred

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and fifty dollars a misdemeanor in California. Prop forty seven ensured that I couldn't

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get sentenced to prison, but I
often endured short stints in jail. There

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I would go through violent withdrawals from
heroin, but still I continued to steal

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once I was released a few days
later. But following the twenty twenty push

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to defund the police and subsequent loss
of officers, professional shoplifters now operate in

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public and with clear impunity. Every
day, videos emerge of robbers blithely lifting

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01:36:30,279 --> 01:36:36,920
duffel bags I'm sorry, blithely filling
duffel bags as store employees watch helplessly out

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of fear of violence or legal retribution, rather than try to prevent pilfering,

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01:36:44,159 --> 01:36:48,520
which was once considered part of their
jobs. Workers have become impotent enablers of

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a new criminal class that functions seemingly
without conscience or consequence. And by the

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way, again, if you're an
employee at one of these stores, you

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know, first of all, you're
at the mercy of whatever the company's employee.

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Company's policies are. When I worked
for the company that I used to

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work with where we had to deal
with this, uh quite a bit,

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we were told not to follow the
shoplift. You know, if we caught

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somebody, we weren't supposed to follow
them. We weren't supposed to try to

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01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:27,960
grab the bag away from them if
they had a booster bag, none of

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that. If someone violated that rule
and did try to grab product back from

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01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:43,960
a shoplifter physically, there was never
any real consequence. In other words,

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nobody got in trouble for doing that, right, No one ever got yelled

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01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:50,800
at just you know, I would
kind of know from personal experience. It

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01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:55,520
was more just, hey, you're
not supposed to do that. You're not

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01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:58,520
supposed to follow them. You're you
know, you're not supposed to try to

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get in their way. It's not
worth it. Don't put yourself at risk.

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It's not worth it, you know, for you to risk physical harm,

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what if they have a weapon,
this or that. So the company

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01:38:10,079 --> 01:38:14,520
policy was we weren't supposed to we
were not supposed to try to physically intervene,

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but some of us would anyway,
and we never got in trouble for

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01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:20,439
it. It was just more like, hey, just reminding you, please

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01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:24,279
don't do that. We don't want
because we don't want you to get hurt.

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So the policy means, well,
they didn't want us getting hurt.

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I would still do it, though, I mean I would. I would

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01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:34,760
follow somebody. I wouldn't necessarily because
I wouldn't get physical with somebody, but

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I would follow somebody all the way
to their car and U and I would

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01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:45,479
tell them, you know, hey, just so you know, when we

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01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:48,159
get to your vehicle, I'm going
to take a picture of your license plate

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01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:55,079
for the police. You know,
I would be I would be pretty obnoxious

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01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:58,279
because even if I wasn't going to
get the product back from them, at

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least I would try to be obnoxious
enough so that hopefully they wouldn't come back

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01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:09,880
to my store. But yeah,
it's not cool. So I just you

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know, for people who are defending
this behavior. I don't think you should,

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and I don't think you know,
we talk a lot about criminal justice

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01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:19,880
reform. We have talked a lot
about criminal justice reform on the show,

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01:39:20,359 --> 01:39:24,560
and I think a lot of criminal
justice reform is important, and I think

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some of what's been done has been
very important and helpful. But there is

1278
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:32,319
also you know, we also have
to have some balance, and we shouldn't

1279
01:39:33,399 --> 01:39:39,560
get to a point with it where, well, where we're just letting people

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steal without consequence. But again,
too, you know, it's hard to

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01:39:45,279 --> 01:39:49,680
motivate your employees, even if it's
not your even if it's not your company's

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01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:56,399
policy to not intervene. Even if
you're okay with your employees physically intervening,

1283
01:39:56,920 --> 01:40:00,159
are you paying them enough so that
they're going to be willing to put themselves

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01:40:00,199 --> 01:40:02,039
in harm's way? And by the
way, there were instances too when I

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01:40:02,039 --> 01:40:05,159
worked for that company where I never
saw it happen, and it never happened

1286
01:40:05,199 --> 01:40:09,800
to me, but there were instances
where somebody might try to physically get involved

1287
01:40:10,159 --> 01:40:13,439
to try to get the product back, or even prevent somebody from leaving until

1288
01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:18,239
the police got there. Where you
know where somebody might get you know where

1289
01:40:18,239 --> 01:40:24,720
the shoplifter might retaliate by shoving or
trying to start a fight or something to

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01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:29,960
get away, so that can happen, although usually they just try to get

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01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:34,119
away and they try to get away
with the product. But but I would

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01:40:34,159 --> 01:40:38,720
just I would vehemently disagree with anyone
who would justify this, and I see

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01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:41,279
a lot of that happening online these
days. A lot of people are like,

1294
01:40:41,319 --> 01:40:45,279
well, you know, that's the
cost of doing business, and we

1295
01:40:45,319 --> 01:40:49,199
should not be the police should not
be wasting their time on this. All

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01:40:49,239 --> 01:40:51,199
right, we gotta go. We
are out of time, but Ron is

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01:40:51,239 --> 01:40:55,239
on the line, so we'll just
we'll have to go quick Ron, very

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01:40:55,279 --> 01:40:59,199
quickly, because we gotta go very
quickly. Yes, I wonder if you

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01:40:59,199 --> 01:41:03,079
could end the show a low budget
by the cakes. Uh No, because

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01:41:03,119 --> 01:41:06,359
I don't have it pulled up and
it'll take me too long to find it.

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01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:12,319
But I'll play it tomorrow though,
it'd be cool. All right,

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run bye bye, All right,
now I've got yeah, I've got something

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01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:16,239
else lined up to play. All
right, we gotta go. I am

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gonna play this. This is my
favorite track from Charlie. She was one

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01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:25,239
of our while she was our musical
guest yesterday. This is I dmy This

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01:41:25,279 --> 01:41:27,760
has been stuck in my head all
day. If you miss any part of

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01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:30,800
today's show it we'll be up in
just a little bit at WMH radio dot

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01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:35,079
org and on my website Matt Connerton
dot com. Oh j fed says in

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01:41:35,119 --> 01:41:39,359
the chat room, you're lucky they
didn't pull a slice of pineapple out and

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hurt you. I am lucky.
Uh. And don't forget Trivia night tonight

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01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:47,800
at the Hopknot. And if you
are listening live on Thursday immediately after this

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01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:53,399
show is through the Stage Store hosted
by Rob d On. And don't forget

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01:41:53,399 --> 01:41:56,359
be back bright and early tomorrow morning
seven am for the Morning Show with Peter

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White, and we gotta go.
I'm out of time. I'll talk to

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y'all a little bit later. By
everybody,