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it's good to have them. It's
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as the plaque says, so that
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the videos, but it's not quite
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heart when you see it in person. I'm still absorbing, frankly, the

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magnitude of the tragedy that I witnessed. With place where the tragedy occurred,

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as was mentioned, if if they
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wouldn't impossible to hide if there's been
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so you know, one of the
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did when they came in is they
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of conveying information. So it's worth
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Amendment in the United States was freedom
of speech. Because the people that that

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came to the United States from other
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That if they had said something they
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that's why the first correction to the
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want to say and not be thrown
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is obviously the CEO of Acts,
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Internet and the place where a huge
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the news. You know, you've
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much broader perception of free speech on
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lot of criticisms about suggestions of rising
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I can say for my own part
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I think has been an on x
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the things that I was able to
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of October seventh, was actually put
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was happening, so you see what
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horror, the true horror is is
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see if they want to see it. And the community notes feature has allowed

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for people to even when when things
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to maybe pass in real time.
Now you can correct all that. How

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do you balance the necessity for free
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what is hate speech, what is
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balance that? Well, the general
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free speech, and I think at
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wins in that if somebody says something
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platform, you can then reply to
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huge plan of community notes. I've
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community notes. So if somebody tries
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something like that, they can immediately
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rid of the tag. It's like
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you know. So I think it's
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is to be the best source of
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you know what one can. It's
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and sometimes people have different interpretations of
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to be as accurate as possible and
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said and reality. So relentless pursuit
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with X and allowing people to say
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it's controversial, provided it provided that
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think that's the right thing to do. And setting the new standard for the

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town square, as they say,
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of information than ever before, certainly
on the platform you recently didn't just go

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here, obviously after October seventh,
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wages of horrific anti Semitism in the
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videos, saw a lot of video. Yeah, yeah, it was shocking

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to see. I think maybe the
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in killing innocent people, like the
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men, and there was no remorse
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requires a level of indoctrination that is
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solve that you have to address the
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no one should ever be glad about
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number of enormous umber of Jews,
myself included a very move that you continue

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to wear the necklace in remembrance of
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you for that, obviously, because
raising the profile of the fact there's still

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dozens of men, women and children. I checked before I came, so

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many hostages. I hope they're alive. I hope think I'm back. So

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also just as an American and a
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Semitic activity, just generally anti Semitic
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astonishing. Actually, yes, I
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this. In the circles that I
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Semitism. And you know, there's
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Jewish friend. No, I have
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twice as many Jewish friends as no
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association, I'm aspirationally Jewish. So
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like, what are people talking about
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in my friend circles. But when
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Hamas rallies in vast numbers that took
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are supposed to be you know,
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supposed to be enlightened, you're supposed
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went to UPenn at Penn and I
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mean, there's a poll recently from
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people aged eighteen to twenty four said
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which you know, in America,
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United States out of three hundred and
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population. But that ideology that the
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nicely and very closely with what is
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if you read Nazi literature, the
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of course, this small case of
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industries, who were standing behind all
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those world jewelry that stood behind Germany's
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the Allies unwillingness to make a deal
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echoes of it today. I mean
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basically suggests that all of society is
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that at the very top are the
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people are exploiting everybody else, and
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identity, not by their level of
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matches up incredibly. It sinks up
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The diversity actually inclusion mean should always
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like it could come out of a
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sign. And because it sounds like
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these will sound like nice words,
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discrimination on the basis of race,
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it's against merit and and thus I
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riots that were in the major cities
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wake up call to I think any
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of these rallies on college campuses in
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unite the weirdest coalitions maybe in human
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of Kamas, where of course,
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exactly, that coalition is that's like seriously

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out of touch. Yeah, but
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of touch in the sense that there
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structures must be torn down at all
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people who hate me, then I'll
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the fact that that's grown in fervor
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as I said to me on on
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What do you make of the future
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to embrace that idea, well,
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principle that the the weaker normal normally
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simply not true. If you aren't
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it doesn't mean you're right because if
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groups want to annihilate you, that
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we have to get rid of the
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automatically good. That's that's obviously makes
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it often makes sense where it's like, Okay, you don't want to

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beat up when someone smaller and weaker
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smaller group wants to kill you,
that they're they're bad. Okay, I

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mean, I'm a big believer in
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good and bad in the absolute,
and you judge any group or individual against

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absolute moral standards, not whether they're
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on absolute moral terms. Are they
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motor inocent people? That's bad?
It doesn't matter who they are, you

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would think, But the pseudo sophisticates
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prevalent on college campus. What do
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the United States looks like? Given
the fact that entire universities appear to have

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been corrupted by moral relativism and this
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that a wave of changes coming to
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is going to be direct hiring out
of high school? What is the solution

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for universities in the United States as
well as abroad. I think we need

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to return to what what where things
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focus on unmerit and and it doesn't
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Uh, you know what race you
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matters is you know, how good
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your skills? You know, you
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green martian. You know, where's
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Who cares? It doesn't matter.
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is your work? That's it.
That that that's that's the that's the least

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sort of racist access you can be. It's just care about the work that

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somebody does and not anything else.
That that's what that's what the folks needs

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to be to return to. Yeah. Yeah. It seems as though you

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mentioned earlier the sort of problems of
attacks on the meritocracy, and one of

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the claims is that there's no real
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basically all these institutions are run for
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lost credibility with the people, particularly
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to that, I think that there's
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idea that if we do away with
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than that that somehow is better.
But there needs to be a recapturing of

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the institutions, or at least a
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And that's something obviously that you're very
focused on, not only with expert

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your other companies, is building new
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way out of the problems that we've
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generally with people should always be worried
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mostly subconsciously internalize the notion of a
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order for me to get ahead,
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or for me to have stuff,
someone else must not have stuff. If

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you have that axiomatic flow, then
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done to fix that axiomatic flow,
because it is false. There's it's not

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a zero sum game. We can
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evidence is overwhelming that we have grown
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have many things today that we did
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far more prosperous all of humanity.
It's far more prosperous today than it was

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at the times in the past.
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where you know, we would count
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the Buponic plague wasn't that bad,
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uh, not that many people stopped
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know, five percent of our population
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know. Basically, life used to
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and it's if they could see us
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you guys complaining about? This is
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worry about food, food for I
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you know, probably the last one
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know, really the present day future
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anyone who doesn't think it's amazing,
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of times. One of the things
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think you're part of this, is
a coalition of meritocrats standing up for the

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meritocracy is going to be deeply necessary
in a future where trust has been fragmented

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with so many institutions. We're going
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that merit still exists, and that
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on innate characteristics of some sort.
So you mentioned earlier you know that you're

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aspirationally Jewish, that you surround yourself
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many Jews. So are you part
of the Jewish conspiracy? What exactly is

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the maybe that'll please the haters online? Yeah? No, I mean I

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just so. Yeah. I grew
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I went to Hebrew preschool Racial Spiro
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Jewish. Oh, I will tell
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as people have assumed in my community
that your Jewish until I informed them otherwise.

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Yeah, Elon is a prett Jewish
name. He's super Jewish. Yeah.

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And then I went to Israel when
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I mean, you know, visited
Masoda. I'm certainly checking the boxes on

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a lot of things. And like
I said, most of micros of Jewish

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just worked out that way. So
sometimes I yeah, I guess maybe I

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forget that. Maybe am I Jewish? I'm Jewish as racially Jewish. So

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you know, when when you hear
critiques about acts right about the amount of

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anti Semitism on X, what are
the metrics that you're seeing from the inside

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about the amounts of anti Semitism or
quote unquote hate speech because it's always a

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vaguely defined term hate speech on your
platform. Yeah, I mean the outside

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orders that we had done, at
least the ones that we've had done,

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show that there was the least amount
of anti semitism on X if you look,

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if you look at all the other
social it's never going to be zero

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if you've got six hundred million people
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anything to be zero is extremely unlikely
because you've got six hundred million people on

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a platform. But when they compare
us to Instagram, TikTok's actually got a

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lot of anti said, is pretty
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I mean, the algorithm is absolutely
pushing into a programmance material. Yes,

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it is, so I believe it's
we have TikTok has like five times

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the amount of anti semitism per post
than we do. So it's not like

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I said, it's not gonna be
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knowledge, it is has the least
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Legacy media has spent an awful lot
of ink on you. There's been a

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lot of attempts to paint you as
anti semitic, or paint X as anti

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semitic. Where do you think that's
coming from? Well, why why does

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the legacy media seem to have you, particularly in the last year and a

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half in the crosshairs so much.
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that X is competition for the legacy
media. So your X is is where

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people go to get the most current
news and learn about the world. So,

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you know, the legacy media is
our direct competitors. So they're really

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going to find trying every angle to
try to cancel X. I mean,

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that's I mean, if you want
to know why things happening, look at

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the incentives. You know. So, and legacy media has had a tough

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time with respect to usage. The
numbers I saw was that the sort of

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traditional print cable television viewership went down
something like twenty last year. On the

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other hand, X point up roughly
that's same, roughly twenty thirty percent.

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So it's a direct competition for people's
attention. So if there's some attactic and

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levy against me, they won't.
It seems as though one of the other

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matters is not just direct competition between
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the legacy media, for most of
my life up until the past, you

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know, fifteen years, performed what
they saw as a gatekeeping function. They

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were the ones who got to define
the narrative. They were the ones who

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got to determine what was appropriate news
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even after social media arose in the
early days, there was this sort of

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the sort of things that you articulate
were actually articulated by virtually all the social

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media heads. Mark Zuckerberg used to
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Jack Dorsey used to say the kinds
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then there seemed to be an institutional
takeover by a lot of legacy media types

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in terms of the kinds of rules
and restrictions that were placed on what you

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could and could not say on these
platforms. Who would get banned, who

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would not get banned, advertisers weaponized
against particular particular outlets if those outlets didn't

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follow the dictats that they were put
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seems like since you took over,
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that they're not performing the eight keeping
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I mean I don't think that there
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a small number of individuals. I
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like for newspapers in America, there
are about five editors that decide what what

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gets put on the front page or
what what to focus on or what not

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to focus on, and most of
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just copy them essentially. So but
is that really what we want. We

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aren't just a handful of people deciding
what what they think is important or or

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should it be that the people decide
what's important? And I think it should

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be sort of an organic thing where
the people decide what's important and what to

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focus on, not just a handful
of editors. And yeah, they don't

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like the fact that this power has
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think it should be. I don't
go back to something that you said a

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little bit earlier talking about the idea
that on a moral level, you know,

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there's nothing that suggests that that simple
weakness is itself virtue. That a

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weak person can be virtuous but doesn't
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person can be, you know,
the victimizer, but doesn't necessarily mean that

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they are. That logic carried forward, particularly to what's going on in Israel

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right now, has been, in
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There's this idea that because Israel is
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doing its best to limitsvillian casualties in
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the world, in which you have
terrorists or honeycombed throughout every aspect of society,

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building literally hundreds of miles of tunnels, the entire London subway system worth

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of tunnels underneath the ground, that
somehow, you know, Israel targeting those

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systems and killing a lot of people. Because when you kill terrorists, unfortunately

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they're embedded among civilians. It's terrible
and it's horrifying. With every one of

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those deaths is on terroristcript that in
beds itself with civilians. There's been this

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this, this logic has been mapped
onto that conflict that smaller and weaker means

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morally virtuous because victimized. Yeah,
it really has come completely full circle from

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or hider needy degrees from what has
historically been the case. So through most

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of history, the operating principle has
been might makes right. So yeah,

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for really, up until bottom times, might makes right was the if you

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were stronger, you were right.
Now we've sort of flipped it to know

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if you're weaker, you're right.
But neither is true. There is there

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is a rightness independent of strength or
weakness. Just because somebody is strong,

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it doesn't mean they're right, and
doesn't because somebody is weak doesn't mean they're

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right. You have to look at
morals in the absolute. So on a

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broader level, elan Or you talk
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say that you're somebody who really loves
humanity, which is why you talk about

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expanding humanities, reach out to the
stars. When you go to a place

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like Auschwitz, or when you walk
the villages like he boots very after October

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seventh, does that change your opinion
of humanity or does it reinforce what you

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think humanity can be on both the
positive side and on the negative side.

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I think it is actually human nature
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So I think the actual default for
most people is to love humanity and you

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love being around their fellow humans.
You can take for example, like what's

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one of the worst punishments in prison
is solidary confinement, and all softwary confinement

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means is that you don't get to
hang out with the other prisoners, which

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which might not be the best group
of people to hang out with, but

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even that is considered a terrible punishment
to not be able to hang out with

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other prisoners. So, in truth, I think in our nature we all

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love humanity unless we are indoctrinated otherwise, and so we have to stop that

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indoctrination. So how do you think
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obviously we have seen indoctrination at a
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indoctrination in various schools in the West, very very hard indoctrination that you see

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and for example the Gaza Strip where
kids are literally unfortunately at very young ages,

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they have graduation ceremonies that we've seen
tapes of where they're re enacting kidnapping

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of Israeli soldiers or killing of Israeli
soldiers for example. That fundamentally has to

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be addressed or they will not be
peace. The education of kids and Gaza,

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the indoctrination of hate into kids in
Gaza has to has to stop.

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So it's you know, when I
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was my top recommendation is that you've
got to make sure you know, I

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understand the need for this to to
inbate Gaza. And unfortunately, some innocent

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people will die, there's no way
around it. But the most important thing

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is to ensure that afterwards that the
indoctrination where kids are taught from as soon

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as they can understand language that their
goal is to kill Israelis. And and

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if you're told that from when you're
a toddler, well you're going to believe

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it. And that needs to stop. Yeah, on a technological side,

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what do you think can be done
there, because actually this is one of

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the areas where you know, the
Gaza strip has been famous for its Internet

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access. You know, they're they're
there. There are a lot of places

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around the world where the government puts
an extraordinarily heavy hand on the flow of

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information. You're mentioning that the Nazis
first thing they did was take over the

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entire press mechanism inside Germany and then
inside the occupied areas of Europe. But

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that obviously happens all over the world
right now. And one of the things

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you do Starlink for is to try
and open up some of those avenues of

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information. But what what what what
can you do? What what? What

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it's worth? Also, the Nazis
engaged in extreme censorship within Germany for antithing

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anything that was pro Summitic. I'm
not sure how. I don't know how

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many people are aware of that,
but you were that they censored any Prosemitic,

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anyone who tried to defend the Jews
in Germany, any anything prosemitic was

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was censored. So yeah, I
think freedom of speech and rigorous pursuit of

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the truth is the way, is
one way to get her to defeat hatred.

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You know, when when I look
at the un way, well,

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when I look at the United States, one of the things that it seems

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to be breaking down, and when
any the first element, historically maybe the

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last element of a society in a
state of mental decline is a vast outbreak

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of anti Semitism. This is what
was happening, and not not the German

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but historically countries that are in a
state of decline tend to have wild outbreaks

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of anti Semitism. And it seems
to me that one of the key things

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that can reverse that process is the
rebuilding of local institutions. And as local

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institutions break down, you see sort
of this fragmentation of the population at large.

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How do you merge the need for
technological development with the building of those

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local institutions, families, churches,
schools, now the kinds of things that

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societies are built upon. Yeah,
actually, I should say there were really

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three things that were my strong recommendation
visiting Israel. One is, obviously one

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has to get rid of Hamas fighters
who where reform is impossible, their only

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goal is to kill Israelis. They're
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because otherwise they will simply kill more
Israelis. Then the second thing is you've

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got to change the indoctrination in the
schools so that kids are not taught to

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hate from the moment they are two
years old. And then the third thing

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is, which is a very hard
thing to do in this situation, is

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conspicuous acts of kindness to the people
in Gaza. Conspicuous acts of kindness to

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the people in Gaza. It's just
that much harder to hate someone if you

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do nice things for them, even
if they bite, they try to bite

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your hand when you do it,
keep doing it. And you look at

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the Marshall Plan after, you know, look at world look at the difference

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between World War One and World War
Two. Where after World War One,

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Germany got an unfair share of the
blame. It led to immense betterness.

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It's what allowed Hiplert to rise to
power, was the embittered German soldiers from

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World War One. And but then
you look in contrast to what happened after

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World War Two. You had the
Marshall Plan, so you had, you

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know, you had the United States
coming in and actually funding the rebuilding of

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Germany and the rebuilding of Japan.
How often does that happen in history?

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But look at the results, no
war with Germany, peace with Japan and

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Germany for now soon it will be
almost a century. So when you look

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at the state of the West right
now, yeah, somebody maybe it's all

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the doom scrolling. But when you
when you look at the state of the

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West right now, you're very optimistic. It sounds like, you know,

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I find it hard to be optimistic
in this moment. It's been a very

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ugly couple of years, you know, from Ukraine to the current conflict in

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Israel Kamas, to domestic politics in
the United States and where else. It

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seems like there's a lot of polarization, a lot of fragmentation. What do

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you think is the future of the
West. Can we come together around any

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sense of shared common values, especially
given the fact that everybody is kind of

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drinking from the fire hose of information. One of the downsides about the upside

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of information is the availability. The
downside is you know, choice paralysis and

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overload. I mean, you can
definitely get information overload, associate information coming

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at you these days because you can
get all the world's information in real time,

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and it's impossible for a one human
to digest all that, you know,

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I think, I think there are
some things that we can agree on,

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well, most people would agree on, are cool and inspiring, like

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humanity, going to the moon.
You know, if you ask, probably

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kids almost anywhere in the world.
What's the coolest thing humans have ever done?

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I think a lot of kids would
say, we went to the moon,

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you know, And so I think
we want to continue that spurt of

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exploration, you know, speaking of
kind of growing the pie. And it

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is that we want to, I
think, have a dream that we can

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be a space bearing civilization, a
multi planet species, a multi stellar species,

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and go out there among the stars
and discover the nature of the universe,

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that we can collectively seek greater enlightenment
to better understand this incredible universe we

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live in. I find that break
compelling. I think I think most people

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would find that very compelling. I
think embedded in that it's also, as

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you say, that core value of
meritocracy. Because it's one thing to say

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man can go to the moon.
It's another thing to say I can be

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part of man going to the moon. And a meritocracy suggests that you can

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be part of that. It's not
just that human beings are capable of doing

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the thing, it's that you can
be a part of that thing if you

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work hard enough, if you innovate
enough, if you try hard enough.

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And so societies that seem to have
given up on that also seem to have

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given up on going to the moon. Societies that are so reflective about their

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own supposed flaws. The United States
has this problem right now that they are

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unwilling to simply say freedom is pretty
phenomenal and meritocracy is the greatest thing that's

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ever been invented, and we should
hold on to that, and that's what's

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going to allow against them that stops
us from going to the Moon, or

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to Mars, or to anywhere else. Yeah, I mean, and there's

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many wonderful interesting things that are happening
besides space exploration. Obviously, as time

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goes by, we improve our ability
to cure cancer, to cure many diseases.

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There's increased access to information. And
people talk a lot about inequality,

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but what about the equality of access
to information? That's incredible. You know,

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right now, if you've got,
you know, a very cheap electronic

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device at an in an internet cafe, you can access all of the lectures

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of MIT for free. You can
access almost any book, you can learn

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anything. This is an equality of
access to information that was unthinkable even twenty

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thirty years ago. You can teach
yourself how to do anything for free.

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That's amazing. Maybe there's like too
muchocus on the things that are unequal,

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but we should we forget about the
things that are equal and that have improved

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inequality so much like access to information. You know, that's one of the

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things that we're trying to help out
with Starlink is provide access internet internet access

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to people who don't have internet access
or where it's too expensive for them to

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afford. Because once you have internet
access, you can learn anything and you

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can sell your your your products and
services. So I think that's that's pretty

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amazing. I mean, you know, that's sort of like if we're going

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to count our flaws, we should
also count our blessings. Yeah. One

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of the things that I think is
amazing about what you've been doing on is

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that it's not just you know,
the the business side of you that's important.

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Obviously, you become this unbelievably you
know, large figure looming in the

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public imagination, and that means that
when you tweet, it has you know,

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impacts that is that is very large. How do you decide when to

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tweet? Sometimes to memory, sometimes
it's sometimes it's joking. Sometimes it's these

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long thought out posts. How do
you decide when did she how do you

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inform yourself on on the topics that
you're tweeting about? Well, I did.

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I do put post a lot on
the x platform, you know,

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sometimes one hundred times a day,
so and once in a while I'll do

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something dumb, for sure, But
I I really, you know, I

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try to say things that I think
are interesting or funny. I mean,

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there must be some reason why one
hundred and sixty nine million people follow me.

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I guess, I don't know.
I must be keeping them amused and

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so amuse entertain you know, have
opinions on something. Sometimes they're wrong,

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sometimes they're right, and you know, for things like community Notes, it

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applies to me as well as it
applies to anyone else. So if I

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say something that's incorrect or you know, not full context, then community notes

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will correct me very quickly. So
but it's only me doing these posts.

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Ever, I don't have a team
or anything. So in fact, I

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generally would recommend for leaders of the
world to just literally post your own stuff

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and once in a while you make
a mistake, don't worry about it,

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so nobody bats a thousand So obviously
we're visited today. You know. The

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big takeaway always is ever again.
I think that the question that a lot

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of Jews worldwide asked after October seventh, and after that wild up surge of

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anti Semitism which we've seen the Jew
hatred that continues now, is whether never

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again really for a lot of people
met never again between the years nineteen thirty

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nine and nineteen forty five, or
whether it actually means never again like right

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now, as in, if there's
a genocidal group that wish just to kill

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lots of Jews, is that something
that you wish to stand up against right

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now? And when you look out
at the world, in the state of

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the world, you know the video
that EJ put up a moment ago suggesting

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that the Holocaust would have been somewhat
mitigated, or people may have had more

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information or been able to certainly been
able to escape earlier. I mean,

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one of the things that's astonishing,
obviously about the history of the Holocaust is

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how many Jews because they were only
getting partial information, it was slow,

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and it was gradual, and by
the time they wanted to get out,

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it was just too late for them
to get out. What are your hopes

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that never again is a real thing? I mean, I certainly hope there's

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not another hologhost. How realistically is
it? I think I think it's unlikely,

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Frankly, so at least if you
say, like I mean, I

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could be naive, But I think
the probability of a Holocaust in the West

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is extremely tiny, you know.
I think if you look at say that

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the you know, the Nazis,
I think he had like a got like

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a third of the vote or something
like that when he was first semi he

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was sort of sort of semi elected
and then did basically a coup. And

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but but think of all the people
that fought to destroy Nazism. That the

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millions and millions of people that fought
and died to destroy Nazism. That's the

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vast majority of the West opposed,
even in those days, opposed Nazism and

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fort and died. And my grandfather
was in World War Two for almost six

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years. All his friends got killed. He was the only one of his

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friends to survive, and he was
severely traumatized, like he really just couldn't

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even talk afterwards. Most of that
time was in East Africa, North Africa,

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Italy. The only reason he's even
alive, frankly, is because towards

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the end of the war, they
gave like an aptitude test because he was

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just a corporal. He didn't graduate
high school so it wasn't eligible for officer

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school, and they plucked him out, probably right before he died, and

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sent him to work for British intelligence
in London, which is where he met

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my grandmother. You know. So
he was one of the people fighting to

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stop the Nazis and many along with
millions of others. You know. So

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let's not forget that the vast majority
of the west Ford and died to stop

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Nazism. So I had the chance
to briefly meet your three year old today

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is a fun, adorable I have
three year old of my own, so

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I can there are all very similar. But you know what, as you're

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you have some kids who are much
older. You have you know, kids

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who are who are younger. Obviously
when it comes to teaching them about things

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like the Holocaust and anti Semitism,
how do you address those topics. Well,

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my kids are pretty well read,
so they they read a lot of

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history that they're not ignorant on the
subject. I mean maybe the three year

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old is sure, I would hope, yes, you can't read, So

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my kids are very well read so
red, but I you know that I've

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had some sort of disturbing conversations with
sort of some say nephews or some some

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family members not not my kids,
but kids of family members where I was

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actually shocked to see anti semitism or
or at least Yeah. One disturbing conversation

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was you know, saying that the
you know that we deserve to have the

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trade towers destroyed because of our terrible
foreign policy. I was like, this

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is what they're teaching you in elite
New York high schools. This is messed

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up. Well, Elon, I
think I personally Jews all over the world.

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A lot of people in this room
want to thank you for not only

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visiting Auschwitz, but also for visiting
Israel after October seventh, and for the

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strong world voice you've been on behalf
of the fight against anti Semitism. It's

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great to spend time with you.
Thank you so much, thank you,

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thank you for having me