WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.960 Now one of your pudding. I got a string going on here, something 2 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:07.919 just cause my dog. Something killed your dog, my dog. We're flying 3 00:00:07.919 --> 00:00:10.160 through the or over the tree. I don't know how it did it, 4 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:15.960 Okay, Damn, I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 5 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:18.239 over the fence and he was dead. And once you hit the ground like, 6 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:20.879 I didn't see any cars. All I saw was my dog coming over 7 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:41.320 the fence. Sat what are you putting? We got some wonder or something 8 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:52.039 crawling around out here? Did you see what it was? Or was it 9 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:54.799 was? Standing enough? I'm out here looking through the window now and I 10 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:59.079 don't see anything. I don't want to go outside. Jesus Quice, you 11 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:06.120 better hello, get somebody out here. What quin On'm out there? I 12 00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:08.480 thought of a bitch of about tech fort nine. I don't know. Easy 13 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:11.760 ann out there. Yeah, I'm welcome right Hey you Thinning, Thanks so 14 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:15.560 much for joining me for the show. I decided to take a little departure 15 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:19.239 from the stories from Alaska with Bread this week for the Wednesday show and bring 16 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:23.280 you a live Bigfoot roundtable that we recorded on Saturday over on the Sasquatch out 17 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:26.200 to See YouTube channel. We had a great lineup of people here and an 18 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:30.480 amazing conversation about a ton of topics in the Bigfoot community. This is part 19 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:33.959 one of two. This went almost an hour and a half, so this 20 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:36.799 is going to be part one. I'll bring you part two on Friday, 21 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:38.680 so make sure you're back here to tune in for that. But without further 22 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:53.599 ado, let's go over to the Bigfoot Roundtable. Welcome everybody. Hello Daniel, 23 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:59.079 what's going on man? How are you bron I am hanging in like 24 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:00.879 a hair and a biscuit here the big Foot Bungalow. I am so excited 25 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:05.879 about our roundtable today. Before we get into all of that, I just 26 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:08.159 want to get into the chat here and say hello to everybody. People have 27 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:12.520 been patiently waiting. We got Troy and Tennessee who was first in today. 28 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:16.039 Hello Troy. We've got risked all, welcome to the show. We're glad 29 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:19.240 to have you. We got flat Rock in the house. What is going 30 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:23.240 on man? Long time? No see. We've got Scott Trent. We've 31 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:28.360 got Jeremiah from Bigfoot Society. What is going on? Jeremiah, glad to 32 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:34.120 have you, man. Jimmy T's in the house. We've got Scott Welcome 33 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:36.759 to the show Man. Glad to have you. We've got Doustra in the 34 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:39.759 house, tea time with Tiffany, what's up Tiff? And we got Social 35 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:45.319 Squatch in the house. Welcome. We appreciate you being here for this star 36 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:47.280 studded lineup. We've got Trisha in the house. Hello, Trish. I 37 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:51.360 don't want to leave you out. She was posting about getting my book in 38 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:53.639 the mail. I am so glad that you guys are finally getting those. 39 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:55.319 I appreciate your patients with the pre sale of the book. It did not 40 00:02:55.439 --> 00:03:00.159 go as planned as far as the shipping, but they should be arriving over 41 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:02.560 the next couple of days, so we appreciate you guys for hanging in there. 42 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:07.719 Welcome Daniel, your brain child has come to life. It's time for 43 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:10.439 the Bigfoot Roundtable. You have put this together. We have so many amazing 44 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:15.039 people that are here to talk about Bigfoot. I have been super stoked about 45 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:17.240 this. I appreciate you asking me to help you host this today. I 46 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:21.159 have been stoked about it. It is not often that you get this kind 47 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:24.240 of caliber of people together in one place at one time to talk about Bigfoot. 48 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:28.240 So kudos to you. My friend for helping to make that happen. 49 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:30.360 I say we get right to it. Let's start bringing these folks on. 50 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:35.759 LUs gut for ends, so we won't introduce our first guests. One of 51 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:39.439 the men of the hour is mister Shane Corson himself. Welcome to the show 52 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:43.199 Man. Hey, thanks Brian for having me on. Thanks Daniel for the 53 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:46.520 invite. So glad to have you. Without further ado. Next on the 54 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:52.240 list as mister Alex Petakov. Welcome to the show, sir. I'll be 55 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:55.560 doing guys. Thank you for putting us together and thanks Daniel especially for the 56 00:03:55.560 --> 00:04:00.240 invite. Man, appreciate it. You're very welcome on. Next on the 57 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:03.639 list the man who needs no introduction, The Man himself, the Man, 58 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:08.879 the Myth, the Legend. Ryan rpg Golumbeski, Welcome to the show Man. 59 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:13.000 Hello, representing all the mister moms all over the world. Good to 60 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:16.000 see you boys. We are glad to have you both on the show today. 61 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:23.439 My friend and yours the Bigfoot Influencers himself, Tim Halleran, Welcome to 62 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:27.720 the show Man. Thanks for having me, Daniel and Brian. Glad to 63 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:30.839 be here amongst friends. It is awesome to have you, my friend, 64 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:33.240 Thank you. Next on the list, we have a pair here in the 65 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:38.560 screen at the same time, we have Joe and Ron Welcome to the show. 66 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:42.759 What's going on? Guys Guy, Last, but certainly not least, 67 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:47.040 we have Mike Welcome to the show Man. Good afternoon and evening depending on 68 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:50.480 where your the world. Thank you gentlemen for letting me join you this afternoon. 69 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:54.720 We've got people from everywhere, right, We've got people in the UK 70 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:57.879 right now, We've got East coast, West coast. We had to wrangle 71 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:00.279 a bunch of cats to get everybody together, so it is really good to 72 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:02.759 have you all on the screen at the same time. Daniel, you go 73 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:05.839 ahead, sir. I want to thank you all for being here for this 74 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:11.000 roundtable. Is an awesome lineup and we have some amazing people in the chat. 75 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:15.199 So I reckon, Brian before we get straight in with our first question. 76 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:17.959 I say we do it, man, Let's go around the horn. 77 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:24.040 Let's go straight to it. Okay, our first question without further ado, 78 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:28.480 Shane Coulson, all right again, glad to be here, glad to see 79 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:31.639 all these familiar bass. My question with all the investigators and research out there 80 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:35.680 doing this for many years is there any one thing you would like to see 81 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:44.240 implemented within organizations individuals in the future here that maybe will help, but held 82 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.480 us something further? Is there anything or are we just back where we're at? 83 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:50.519 Very good question, Alex, We'll go to you first, my friend, 84 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:54.800 Oh boy, I don't know. Maybe I'm a little bit cynical on 85 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:58.560 this question. I think unfortunately, with the onslaught of the AI stuff, 86 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:01.360 I think it's going to be more difficult than ever. I think personally, 87 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:06.120 a chain of custody with any kind of alleged video or photo evidence. But 88 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:11.519 at the same time, and we still have debates about the PG footage from 89 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:15.040 the sixties and the Freeman footage and you name it right, So I don't 90 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:17.079 think video footage has cut it, or any kind of photographic evidence. I 91 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:21.160 don't think it will. I personally think that if there was a situation where 92 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:24.680 it might be applicable, Let's say you've got some kind of thermal footage or 93 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:29.560 otherwise, and you had some DNA evidence maybe something else to back it up, 94 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:31.920 some tracks, so you have different tiers of evidence. I think people 95 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:35.639 just need to in general, the chain of custody with alleged evidence as well 96 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:40.759 document things. I think what Chris Spencer and Shane and those guys the OP 97 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:44.360 do. They do a lot of note taking, a lot of meticulous stuff, 98 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:47.360 and now with all the metadata and stuff with photos and videos and three 99 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:50.759 D scans, like, there's no excuse if you find a track to not 100 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:54.920 try to at least take a three D scan of it, take your photos, 101 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:57.480 get a cast, so you have three pieces of evidence out of one 102 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:00.519 alleged trackway. And then with Daniel, I don't need to really explain the 103 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:04.600 DNA stuff. You could even try to find some me DNA from that. 104 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:09.000 So I think we're getting to the point where this stuff is so accessible to 105 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:12.439 general people just needs a little bit of education. Maybe that's a direction we 106 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:15.399 need to go in. But I think strictly when it comes to the visual 107 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:17.720 stuff, I think if it was already going to prove something, it would 108 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:19.560 have, and I don't think it has. With AI, it's not going 109 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:23.839 to get any better because it's one of those buckle up scenarios. AI is 110 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:26.319 good for a lot of things, but there's going to be a lot of 111 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:29.639 bas as we see that there has been since photoshop days. It's only going 112 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:31.399 to get worse. So maybe that's a little cynical, but I think there's 113 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:35.680 areas where people can as citizen scientists, improve on their own. So that's 114 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:40.959 my view on what maybe can be done. I definitely think you're spot on 115 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:45.879 what's a u RPG. I think we should invade academia and take it over 116 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:47.879 and Meldrem shouldn't be the only one or there's a few people standing there. 117 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:51.360 We need to encourage that more and there should be a class on that somewhere. 118 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:56.079 If you can study a present rock star Taylor Swift, you should be 119 00:07:56.120 --> 00:08:00.680 able to study cryptozoology in school. There's enough passion and momentum behind it, 120 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:01.759 So I think that's where it is. How do you do that? You 121 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:05.959 got to make it cool, which I think that's what we're trying to get 122 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:09.800 people to get back into nature. So by shaying, hey, yes you've 123 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.879 seen deer and bear in these but this could be there and this is exciting. 124 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:16.639 It's like kick to that big bass the first time than your book for 125 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:18.040 life if you have moments. So anyway, I don't know, we got 126 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:22.439 to get more people in the schools because as much as I'm an anti schooler, 127 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:24.240 and that's where they respect you and they pay attention. I think that's 128 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:28.279 what you're looking for. What say you, Tim Howard? For me? 129 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:31.959 From the folks I've talked to, there's more collaboration in this subject than we 130 00:08:31.039 --> 00:08:35.919 think, but it's not a collective group. I think if we could get 131 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:43.399 more of a universal possibly from a think tank, getting together more as one 132 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:45.879 unit, I think that will help. Of course, funding is always a 133 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:48.720 thing, and I'm not a researcher obviously, but how many people are researching 134 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:54.240 on their own or even doing podcasts or writing articles. And if we took 135 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:58.360 all that time that we're spending on doing individual things and just put it together, 136 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:01.519 I think we could push things. That's at least my thoughts. Joe 137 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:05.639 Ron, you guys have some collective thoughts on this individual thoughts? What do 138 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:09.480 you guys think about it? Well, collective is a good way to introduce 139 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:13.240 it, because that's actually our research team's name is the collective. And I 140 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:16.320 agree with Tim there needs to be more collaboration and more sharing of data, 141 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:22.879 as well as probably a tuning of our lexicon. Anybody who's followed us long 142 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:28.039 enough knows that we look into literally everything that gets sent our way right pretty 143 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:31.240 much, and I think there needs to be a protocol. There's no protocols 144 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:33.440 in any of this. There needs to be a standard, degreed upon protocol 145 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:37.639 that would help. That way we all know that we're speaking about the same 146 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:39.840 thing. We're talking about the same thing, looking the same thing, and 147 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:43.399 you can adjust your data points to that. If I find something, I 148 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:46.200 can share it with Brian, you know it's exactly what I'm talking about. 149 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:50.919 The word needs to be there. Yeah, structuring of the lexicon, compartmentalization 150 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:56.559 of certain things. Get rid of terminology like WU because it has such a 151 00:09:56.600 --> 00:10:03.159 strong derogatory context amongst the community at large. The way we classified as subject 152 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:07.759 A and subject B bigfoot or bigfoot light go from there. I think it's 153 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:11.759 probably one of the biggest steps we could all take as a community together. 154 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:16.720 Very well said, I have personally been guilty of using the WU word. 155 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:20.120 I've tried over the last probably six or seven months, as I've talked to 156 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:26.200 people and interview people, to move towards high strangeness other words outside of WU, 157 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:28.879 to try to facilitate that because a lot of people listen to my show 158 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:33.519 and I want to project the right thing into the community, because I too 159 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:37.159 believe that we need to be collectively looking at this. I think it's very 160 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:41.320 important for us to be very collective in our studies, and I do think 161 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:46.879 in some cases we probably need to stay in our lane as well if everybody's 162 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:50.679 in their lane, but we're working together simultaneously. I think that's very important. 163 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:54.639 I was in law enforcement and we had standard operating procedures for everything we 164 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:58.399 did. But the greatest thing that everybody was given as a police officer, 165 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:00.960 and the one thing they really could never take take away from us, was 166 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:05.120 discretion. So everybody has the standard protocols, but every investigator has their own 167 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:09.440 discretion to go out and do that and interpret those protocols in their own ways. 168 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:11.840 Because when people say protocols, they feel like they're being put in a 169 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:16.919 box or whatever. I don't see that at all, because it's just how 170 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:18.600 it works. You have the protocols, and then you have the ability and 171 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:24.759 the discretion to interpret those protocols and implement them in your own way, as 172 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.600 long as you stay within that circle of where you're supposed to be playing. 173 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:31.720 I've now answered the question. Someone that Mike answer the question, but then 174 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:35.320 we'll get Daniel's thoughts on it before we move on as I'm coming in here 175 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:37.559 at the end, you guys are pretty much hit most of it. But 176 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:41.279 the documentation is a key and thinking outside the box. Go talk to folks 177 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:46.519 and other disciplines recently, talk to art specialists on colors and stuff like that, 178 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:50.600 because now you're not always going to interview a witness that's going to see 179 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:54.600 the same colors that you are. You're going to find folks with visual impairments 180 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:56.960 and everything else. The folks that you're going to talk to are going to 181 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:01.279 see things at different times. So yeah, taking the the quote unquote wole 182 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:03.799 element. But everybody has something to offer. And I'll be that the garbage 183 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:07.279 man picking something up at three o'clock in the morning. You're an artist, 184 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:11.159 they're going to see something a little bit different. So a standardized form of 185 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:15.279 PDF, something that's searchable. Not a lot of folks that go out document 186 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:20.080 and documentation, something that's a searchable database is so important. Building a PDF 187 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:22.960 or something that you can share amongst the ones, or like I said, 188 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:26.159 you guys are brought up, we can share around the base. I've done 189 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:30.639 some color stuff that we can serve across the world. It's a standardization and 190 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:35.240 the standardization is so important. Simply carrying that a standardized tape measure, that's 191 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:39.960 so important that we're really missing out on a lot of those things. Very 192 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:43.480 good point, Daniel. We save the youngest and most knowledgeable for last. 193 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:46.080 You get to speak on this question. What do you think about it? 194 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:50.039 Man? So, I think one thing that we touched on was working as 195 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:54.639 a team, I think is the most important key. And I think getting 196 00:12:54.679 --> 00:13:01.120 other people involved, the younger generation and bringing them up to help research this 197 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:07.200 topic may give us an answer. And I think having more and more people 198 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:11.840 involved will push this a bit further. I think, as RPG said, 199 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:16.200 helping doctor Jeffrey Meldrum and all those kind of huge researchers, we've got a 200 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:20.679 great team here, and I think that's one key. I then think another 201 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:26.440 key would be, like Alex said, EDNA is a brilliant tool to use. 202 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:33.200 I think, to really open up everyone using EDNA and everyone casting footprints 203 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:37.600 and everyone learning how to be out in forest, and then it may give 204 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:41.080 us an answer at the end. Very well, said my friend Alex. 205 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.799 We're going to shift over to you and we're going to field your question next 206 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:48.240 for the group. Okay, so this is just a pretty generic question, 207 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:56.919 but I'm wondering if everybody has a personal favorite sighting or encounter that they've researched, 208 00:13:56.039 --> 00:14:01.039 whether or not you've personally looked into it or been hold your favorite investigation 209 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:05.159 of a particular incident, or anything along those lines. I think that's an 210 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:09.399 awesome question. RPG, What do you say, man, I'd love to 211 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:13.399 go into the PG film because after like deep diving into that, which all 212 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:16.639 of us absolutely have, and you're not left going it could go either way. 213 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:20.240 These are exceptional men that could have faked it or they actually could have 214 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:24.200 got it done. I'll just leave that out there because it's not good to 215 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:26.720 craft people's most beautiful dream. But for me, we had a class a 216 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:30.879 sighting right here. We had just moved in. I'll make it a really 217 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:33.399 short story and just say don't get dogs, they don't like them. Because 218 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:37.600 it came around and it was like that two weeks of high strangeness and yeah, 219 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:39.200 she saw, she said, this man over there, And then when 220 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:43.279 I went and measured it, this thing was over nine feet and tall and 221 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:46.320 thin, reddish brown, and moved so fast and so smooth. She thought 222 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:48.159 it was on a dirt bike. Why this is a nice small story. 223 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:52.240 Is the only nice footage we have out of Starkey Park and where I live. 224 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:54.639 I live in this small little island at the end where all the nature 225 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:58.919 pours to and follows the river before it comes the mask, so it's an 226 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:03.480 interesting little point. So she saw it there. She also saw something small 227 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:05.879 in the tree, which she said, if you told me they were sloss 228 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:07.879 here in the woods, then that's what I saw in the tree. But 229 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:11.480 it moved so quick, and some moved fast, obviously, I think that's 230 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:15.679 the most fascinating one. And the video out of the bark is of a 231 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:18.480 very tall not your normal jack. Oh my god, look this football player 232 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:22.480 squatch, a tall, skinny, thin one which would make more sense than 233 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:26.080 climate said. That kind of wippened me. And then we got dogs, 234 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:30.440 and I'm like, damn, it does everything. The turkey, the deer, 235 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:33.799 everything has been pushed back. So that's my advice in my story. 236 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:39.240 Thank you awesome, what about you, Tim Hallarin, I would say one 237 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:41.639 of the most fascinating report stories that I heard. It wasn't a video, 238 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:46.279 but it was a Kathy and Bob Strain. Strain and a couple other folks 239 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:50.799 a daytime in southeast Oklahoma. That's what most folks know is known to be 240 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:56.679 Area X. They had a group sighting in the daytime. They saw two 241 00:15:56.080 --> 00:16:03.679 creatures and chase. These creatures could describe speed, muscle movement, KATHYAXI chase 242 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:10.399 them first. To me, we have to take any visual fighting could be 243 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:15.120 subjective because we all see things here, things smell things differently, size coordinates, 244 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:22.360 distances. But when you have four people that see the same thing during 245 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:25.679 the day, to me, that's just fascinating. How can you say all 246 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:29.679 four of those people did not see what they saw. So that's the one 247 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:32.639 that kind of sticks out for me, of you know, on the top 248 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:37.039 of my list. I can definitely see why it's odd to have more than 249 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:40.519 one person that actually is involved in a siding. When you can get three, 250 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:44.000 four people like that and multiple people, I think it's absolutely fascinating. 251 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:48.960 Let's go to Joe and Ron. I think our favorite investigation is easily agreed 252 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:52.840 upon because we've been asked this question a few times. That would be the 253 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:56.879 line B side for multiple reasons. There's been tons of data that's been retrieved 254 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:03.519 from this site. It's still an act of It's got hundreds and hundreds of 255 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:07.480 acres of wilderness. It started off with a report that had been sent into 256 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:14.480 us. The witness was terrified experiencing PTSD. And this is a marine veteran 257 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:18.920 who has issues from prior service anyway, but shook her to her core. 258 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:25.640 She had had a sighting up on a power line cut after having a breakup, 259 00:17:25.960 --> 00:17:27.039 was up there crying out up on top of the mountaintop, just trying 260 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:32.559 to get away from everybody, and the kid went and she had this sighting. 261 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:34.319 It freaked her out. She got to the point where she wouldn't let 262 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:40.319 her kids play outside. She wasn't going out and exercising and walking and hiking 263 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:44.279 property anymore. She reached out to us. We went out there, we 264 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:48.240 investigated, We found that truckway while we were there, we cast prints, 265 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.039 and we worked with her to the extent to where she was actually able to 266 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:56.480 tell you where it was. I'm going to set them a porch and you 267 00:17:56.519 --> 00:17:59.319 guys can go do your thing. And then it went from sitting on the 268 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:02.039 porch and talking to us. Do you care if I walk with you? 269 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:03.599 She said, I don't want to be on camera. I want to open 270 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:06.279 the my hood up and we'll just you can go to whatever you need to 271 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:10.960 do and then adventuring out with this. We showed her what sign was, 272 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:15.519 how to do simple tracking, and then explain to her what was going on, 273 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:19.920 explain to her what the data was revealing at that point, and then 274 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:23.519 by the end of the day, which was around a seven eight hour trip, 275 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:27.920 she had come around to the point where she now had caught the butt. 276 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:33.000 She went from being terrified and unable to go out and walk her own 277 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:37.200 property to becoming one of the most valuable assets of our team. Now. 278 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:42.039 She's documented multiple accounts up there of what seemed to be Class A or I 279 00:18:42.039 --> 00:18:47.640 would say, yeah, subject day and subject V for the best orb photos 280 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:52.440 I've ever seen, geometry within the orb photos and unrelated to Bigfoot, but 281 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:55.759 just some really strange stuffies on it. It's a weird place. What about 282 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:57.799 you, Mike, what either encounter or investigation that you were involved in. 283 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:00.920 What's been your favorite or most interesting. I've got two to bounce on top 284 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:06.240 of each other, but I'd probably go to the privilege I had with Joe 285 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:08.880 Schneider. For those guys that knew Joe, he took me to his location 286 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:14.720 that he had his sighting and myself and my research partner were the first ones 287 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:17.839 to get a chance to get back in the woods with him to that location 288 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:22.079 since he had his encounter, having that honor to get out there, and 289 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:27.559 there's enough sightings in that area that really go through and just to have that 290 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:33.480 honor of being with him in that area was really interesting because I ended up 291 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:37.400 doing some other research within five miles where he had his sighting, where there's 292 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:41.640 another sighting and that individual took us to that piece of property had his sighting 293 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:45.480 in South America. Both those guys were in military veterans, so it was 294 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:51.359 really interesting to hear their perspective and to watch the reactions their physical trauma. 295 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:55.680 So the honor of both those gentlemen sharing their stories. But Joe especially the 296 00:19:55.720 --> 00:19:59.240 man was awesome and I do miss him. So I second that one of 297 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:02.880 my favorite people in Bigfoot wrist All. I put it up there in Joe's 298 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:06.200 honor. Don't sweat the petty stuff. I tell you. I'm almost five 299 00:20:06.279 --> 00:20:08.160 hundred episodes into the show at this point, and I've talked to a ton 300 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:12.440 of people with a bunch of interesting experiences and encounters, But I think for 301 00:20:12.599 --> 00:20:15.920 me, it was this past October. I was up at Radium. I 302 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:19.599 was out with Todd standing and we were doing some investigating out there. I 303 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:22.640 think it was our second or third night there. It was just me and 304 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:27.519 Richard and Kyle DeShane, father and son duo. Richard had about at three 305 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:32.559 o'clock in the morning experience where he stepped outside the camper to go take care 306 00:20:32.559 --> 00:20:36.240 of his business. He saw this huge dark figure that was standing. I 307 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:38.440 think we marked it off, was about twenty five feet away from him, 308 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:41.279 and he couldn't see very well. He didn't really know what he was looking 309 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:45.960 at. He figured out it wasn't a bear, and then this thing disappeared. 310 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:48.920 We got up the very next morning, and if you guys have looked 311 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:51.480 at it, I've got a video here somewhere on the Sasquatch out as a 312 00:20:51.559 --> 00:20:52.640 YouTube channel, and I've talked about it on the show in the past. 313 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:56.799 I got to go over there in the area where this thing was standing, 314 00:20:56.319 --> 00:21:00.640 I don't know six to eight hours after this happened, and I actually got 315 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:06.279 to put my feet in the impressions where this thing stood twenty feet away from 316 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:08.119 this camper. That was probably one of the biggest moments for me. Was 317 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:12.359 him seeing something was great. I trust him wholeheartedly. This guy has no 318 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:15.079 reason, he has no dog in the fight to lie to me about an 319 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:19.400 experience. But then to have the physical evidence that was left behind with these 320 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:22.759 big impressions in this spang of moss, it was just overpowering for me. 321 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:26.759 It solidified. I was able to check all the boxes and say, he 322 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:30.279 can't definitively say he saw a sasquatch. But once you check those boxes, 323 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:33.279 you go through the totality of the circumstances and say, what could it have 324 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:36.799 possibly been? Was it a deer? Probably not. It certainly wasn't a 325 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:40.480 person. It wasn't a raccoon, it wasn't a squirrel. You're only left 326 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:42.920 with so many things. To be able to do that in such a quick 327 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:47.400 amount of time after it happened, that's almost impossible to do. I was 328 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:49.799 literally sleeping right there, and then six hours later I'm standing in the spot 329 00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:53.960 where the sasquatch was standing. That's pretty powerful for me. So that one's 330 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:57.359 always stuck out because it was most recent, that was back in October of 331 00:21:57.400 --> 00:22:00.839 last year, and I was right there, Johnny on the spot. So 332 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:06.599 what say you shame for me? Basically my original experience in twenty eleven Mount 333 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:11.799 Hood Mine to Night experienced my siding out there solidify the existence of stassquatch. 334 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:15.880 That aside, I had so many favorites, and for me, it's more 335 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:21.279 the collective when you start seeing patterns of predictability or patterns within sighting. RPG 336 00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:26.400 talked about this regish colored thin one. I've heard that multiple times, especially 337 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:30.759 down in Oregon and parts of western Washington, this reddish colored, tall thinner 338 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:33.920 style one. And they're an area down in southwestern Washington for the last twenty 339 00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:38.440 years plus there was an individual spotted as what you call it, a juvenile, 340 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:45.000 the grayish color, and the police officers have seen it. Timber cruisers 341 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.640 have seen this thing, people driving them seen it, and it's gotten exponentially 342 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:52.240 bigger. It's grown over these twenty years in this one particular area is the 343 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:56.000 vast area. And so it's really whether it's the pattern in gamelin film, 344 00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:00.839 the Paul Freeman stuff, it is the collective. It's everything that I love. 345 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:03.680 It starts to paint a picture that, like you said, you can 346 00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:07.519 see commonalities and similarities with a lot of these reports. And I've been investigating 347 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:11.119 many I've talked to hundreds of witnesses like many of you guys have, and 348 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:15.680 so it's really like the whole combination of them all. I will tell you 349 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:19.680 real quick. One of the neatest investigators I did was with David Ellis of 350 00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:23.640 the Olympic Project. There was an individual. It was an area where this 351 00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:29.079 fast plot stake she had seen while driving her and her husband and didn't go 352 00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:33.480 away. It dayed around her house for months. In fact, she would 353 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:36.599 see it periodically looking from the tree line up at her house, and she 354 00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:40.680 had these big windows with no curtains on, and her husband would leave for 355 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:44.559 a week or two out of town that he worked and traveled. And what 356 00:23:44.599 --> 00:23:48.319 was fascinating about that was we would find tracks. We did collect audio, 357 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:52.119 so it wasn't just the fighting. There was actual physical evidence, audio recordings. 358 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:56.200 You know. I spent nights on this property, even talk to a 359 00:23:56.240 --> 00:24:00.160 contractor who didn't know anything about this property or this fast plot in the area. 360 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:04.200 He was working on the route and saw this thing one day walking alongside 361 00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:07.559 a fence. He had no idea about anything going on that property, and 362 00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:11.880 he was shaken. Third, in fact, he got so bad. This 363 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:15.039 lady ended up selling her house. She moved. She actually moved to Arizona 364 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:18.880 from Washington. It's stuff like that I really find intriguing. Within everything that 365 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:22.799 was going on with her property, there was a lot of similarity to other 366 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:26.920 situations like I find it fast name when a house is Bacon or a cabin 367 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:30.960 is Bacon for years and then all of a sudden people move into there or 368 00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:34.839 come back, and all of a sudden, they're getting weird stuff happening. 369 00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:38.039 They're seeing a sasquatch, so they'regat stuff thrown at their house. I see 370 00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:41.799 a lot of similarities with that stuff. That sasquatch has probably been around that 371 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:45.400 area, noticing that no one's been there, and all of a sudden, 372 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:48.559 someone's now residing there. They're fixing up the house, they're playing an apple 373 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:51.559 orchard. Over the years, I've seen a lot of similarities with that, 374 00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:53.400 and so that's just one of the little things. But there's just too many 375 00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:57.160 good reports out there in stories and encounters. It's just a collective. I 376 00:24:57.279 --> 00:25:03.480 love piecing stuff together every little that level, and stay tuned for more sasquat 377 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:10.720 Jalousy. We'll be right back after these messages. That's what it keeps me 378 00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:14.680 coming back. Man, It's all the little nuances and all the things in 379 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:18.240 everybody's stories, the similarities, the things that make you go I've never heard 380 00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:21.839 that before. It's all what excites me and keeps me coming back. Now, 381 00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:23.559 Daniel, we'll save the best for last. What about you, sir? 382 00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:29.359 Was My absolute favorite would be the Patterson Gimmlram film. It got me 383 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:33.519 interested from when I first started watching Expeditions big But I would possibly then say 384 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:38.039 the Paul Freeman footage. It was very good. I've had some good chats 385 00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:44.160 with Michael, and I think they're both amazing. I would possibly then say 386 00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:49.480 my favorite Bigfoot experience would be when we came across a odd print that then 387 00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:55.039 turned out to be ridiculous DNA. I'm going to say, and I think 388 00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:57.680 that would have to be my kind of top one, not saying that's Bigfoot, 389 00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:00.720 but I would say those might top three. I think that's a pretty 390 00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:04.559 good top three my Frand all right, what say you? RPG? What 391 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:07.839 you got for us? Man? Talking about an adventure coming up? Who 392 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:11.359 do you trust? I feel like everything we've ever been taught is a lie, 393 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:14.759 and then as an adult you realize that and you rebuild your education and 394 00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:18.400 your foundation. So I want to go under ground. I know there's lots 395 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:22.240 of woods to run, but when you're in an area where you're more surrounded, 396 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:26.039 I think they go under ground. And so my question to the team 397 00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:30.119 is one does that have any validity to you? And two? What kind 398 00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:34.359 of technologies can we use ASLID are improved? Are there new drones and stuff 399 00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:38.119 that could actually safely take us into these areas? Now the don't get me 400 00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:41.480 wrong, I think if they are underground, they just move a four hundred 401 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:44.200 pound boulder in front of a crack and we're not going to find them. 402 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:48.599 But if we have the technology that can see what is beyond, then I'm 403 00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:52.799 just very curious about underground. I was wondering what you amazing gentlemen think as 404 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:56.880 well. Up first is Tim Howard. I've been chomping at the bit to 405 00:26:56.920 --> 00:26:59.559 answer this question. So what's the use? Yeah? Good, good, 406 00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:03.200 great? Up there first, I think anything's possible. I think some of 407 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:06.559 the challenges I have, I think there's more space, there's cave systems everywhere 408 00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:10.680 RPG. I think it's something that's not talked about enough. From a technology 409 00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:15.599 standpoint, that's probably out of my realm of expertise of what we can do, 410 00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:18.640 But there's got to be a way we can do anything. From a 411 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:22.039 mechanical and a scientific standpoint, we should be able to find ways to get 412 00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:27.000 drones down there, ways to explore them. I guess my questions always is 413 00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:32.200 if they are underground, which is very possible, how far are they You 414 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:34.480 would figure they would want to come in and out pretty quickly for food, 415 00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:38.000 water, et cetera, all the things you need to survive. So how 416 00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:41.880 deep would they be in in the cave system? And obviously you'd have to 417 00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:45.599 start exploring how they see? And some of these are questions more than answers. 418 00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:52.839 Can they adapt from being inside a dark environment into a light environment or 419 00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:57.880 if not, maybe that are they more nocturnal for that reason too. So 420 00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:00.839 I'm not sure if I really answer your question, because I have tons of 421 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:04.279 questions about it myself. I think that was more questions than answers. But 422 00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:08.519 we will definitely let you slide. What say you, Joe and Ron on 423 00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:15.960 the question of subterranean Sasquatch. We are from West Virginia. It is the 424 00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:21.680 land of probably the most abandoned coal mines on the East coast. The majority 425 00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:26.319 of them are not sealed off, it's extremely probable that these things are at 426 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:32.599 least using them as winter shelters or severe weather shelters, if not permanent shelters. 427 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:34.960 That's just my opinion. They're there, so why might use them? 428 00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:40.599 If these are a creature with any kind of intellect that is as smart as 429 00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:44.880 we say they are and behaves as human as we say they behave, then 430 00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:48.759 why not use up there? And as for the technology, you've got that 431 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:52.759 the technology you're going to need, something like ground penetrating radar, You're gonna 432 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.559 need some kind of experimental technology it doesn't even exist as far as I know, 433 00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:00.799 or something that we generate an extremely low frequency if you're talking about stuff 434 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:04.960 the government's got, but we don't have that similar level right now. I 435 00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:08.680 guess pinkers could possibly come up with something like that. You'll give me another 436 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.200 ten years. I'm not going to make one, but you're probably going to 437 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:15.200 buy one by then. But that's what you're looking at. You need something 438 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.559 that can go through a lot of rock. If that's where they're at, 439 00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:21.720 I'm going to go out on a limb and say, Doug hih Jack's probably 440 00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:25.440 got one of those things in his basement right now, waiting to pull it 441 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:27.400 out like the mad scientist that he is. I don't know if you look 442 00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:32.400 at some of the stuff that I think it was China, the Takara toys, 443 00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:34.799 the people who make the Transformer toys. They just made a roadver camera 444 00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:38.559 that and you can buy a copy of it yourself. It's a Transformer tool. 445 00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:42.480 It takes minds like that and like Dougs to create some of this technology 446 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:51.319 that can de pully in strange and bizarre environments. Strange and bizarre connected to 447 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:53.559 Doug Hijack, that's amazing. What say you, Mike, what do you 448 00:29:53.599 --> 00:30:00.039 think about the subterranean Sasquad. I'm always on that lookout. I definitely in 449 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:02.200 my area. I've got a lot of waterfalls. There's a lot of stuff 450 00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:06.759 back behind the waterfalls. There are some FPV drones that are out there that 451 00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:12.160 have multi spectral cameras, thermal cameras. The Avanti there is a caged drone 452 00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:15.960 that you can fly in at tight spaces. It's a first person viewer, 453 00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:18.799 so you can get in there and it's a lot of fun to fly, 454 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:23.440 bounce off of walls and everything else. And I'll rewrite itself there are some 455 00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:27.640 small robot cameras that are out there. A lot more for swat teams, 456 00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:32.880 but there's some little kid ones that are out there that I'll give you cameras. 457 00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:36.519 They've got track systems so you can get them in the light our systems 458 00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:38.880 are really come down in price where you can go on and buy those things 459 00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:45.000 yourself through like digike and that, and build your own additions to your drones. 460 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.559 So under probably five grand you can put your own little light ar drone 461 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.720 or multi spectral or thermal drone together and run them for work. I use 462 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:57.480 drones all the time. That stuff is available. I'm not really that experience 463 00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:00.480 with the light our stuff, but getting some of the light are things that 464 00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:04.559 are available. Using those three D scanning apps that we're using on our phones 465 00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:08.039 or buying some of the more expensive ones, you can scan an area for 466 00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:11.039 that depth. And I'll always throw that back to Joe and Ron when it 467 00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:15.640 comes to the three D stuff because they spend more time on engineering. But 468 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:19.079 the kids are out there. I've got a robot kit that's in the shop 469 00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:23.759 over here that it's simple, but getting a small set up and putting the 470 00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:30.000 cameras on there, you can do under a decent price. But those scans 471 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:33.359 are out there if you get on some of your state websites. A lot 472 00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:37.920 of states have gone through and done light our scans of the environment. I 473 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:41.240 know we have here in New York. It's just finding somebody that knows how 474 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.920 to read those light our things, so the stuff is there, it's available, 475 00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:48.960 and just knowing where they're located and being safe about it too. Though 476 00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:52.079 it's a specialty in its own You don't want anybody getting trapped in a cage 477 00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:55.960 because hey, we were talking about it. Talk to your search and rescue, 478 00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:59.039 talk to your geology teams at your local college. You're probably going to 479 00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:01.240 find it. But a lot of that stuff is kept quiet, especially if 480 00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:06.559 there's mining rights. I know here in New York you're not allowed to touch 481 00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:07.920 any of those minerals. They belong to the state, so any of the 482 00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:13.240 precious stuff. So a lot of those mines are kept really quiet because of 483 00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:17.279 commerce. But RPG I'm on that would like to look at some of those 484 00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:21.680 things in the photo that's behind me. There's a lot of caves in that 485 00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:23.880 area. There's a lot of gorges, there's a lot of sightings on the 486 00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:28.480 piece of property that's there. It's always something to look at. Shane, 487 00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:32.079 what do you think about the subterranean Sasquatch? As Kim said, Anything's possible. 488 00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:36.519 Absolutely, I personally have a little bit of a hard time with it. 489 00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:38.599 Now I'm up here in western Washington. It rains a ton up here. 490 00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:43.000 The ground's always saturated for a large cave system, and there are some 491 00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:46.079 like ports, Mount Thain, Hellos and stuff like that. Just with all 492 00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:49.680 the logging and stuff that goes on up in these areas where a lot of 493 00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:52.599 these encounters happen, it'd be very hard to have a cave up in these 494 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:58.079 areas without being found, discovered, dug up at some point, prefallover up 495 00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:00.960 route. All the mines that I've been in to up here, which I'm 496 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:02.839 a fairly thin guy, I can barely squeeze into a lot of them, 497 00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:07.680 have blasted shut. There's no sign of anything even going in there other than 498 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.559 pack rats and bats. But I think they could definitely in some parts of 499 00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:15.200 the country and in certain circumstances utilizing capes. Bears do a lot of animals 500 00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:19.240 do. I just I don't know if they need to, at least up 501 00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:22.799 here in Western Washington. Parks, Canada, where that there's so much wood. 502 00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:25.200 It's looking for a moving needle on a hay stack. But they can 503 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:30.599 be transitory, moving from elevation to elevation, like the elk do I I 504 00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:31.960 hunt elk and I don't bear, and I hunt a lot of animals and 505 00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:37.680 you just don't come across them. Sometimes they're at different elevations. They smell 506 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:39.880 you, they know you're there. I don't think sasquatch has a hard time 507 00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:44.559 hiding and it. You know, this necessary we've been working on for years 508 00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:49.200 is an area where they periodically build nests above ground. I just don't see 509 00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.799 a need for caves unless they're in areas where there are like you guys were 510 00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:58.440 talking about big systems mines, then why not and then also you would have 511 00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:00.759 to have a lot of tunnels. How but it's doom. It's to go 512 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:05.440 in the cave is like you're trapped and that's it. It's like climbing the 513 00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:07.199 tree, going one way up and one way down. A lot of the 514 00:34:07.320 --> 00:34:10.079 cape systems are one way in and one way up. So I just don't 515 00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:14.599 think they're going to put themselves in a vulnerable situation where they can be trapped 516 00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:19.599 do they make mistakes? Absolutely? Do they use caves probably, I just 517 00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.519 don't know if they're living in them more than they're just utilizing them. I'm 518 00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:27.199 not claiming to know anything. I think it's a very high possibility. It's 519 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:30.360 something definitely to look at for sure. And then the technology aspect was pretty 520 00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:34.719 much covered here by these guys are better spoken on it. I think the 521 00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:38.360 technology is catching up. It's becoming cheaper and more affordable. If there is 522 00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:43.400 a cave system or or somewhere of interest, not if you put cameras up, 523 00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:46.079 but I think one least intrusive things you can do, it's just play 524 00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:49.840 some audio nearby and see if you can pick up something going in and out 525 00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:53.679 of that area or in that area that might point towards that cave or tunnel 526 00:34:54.119 --> 00:35:00.000 being something that they might be utilizing or something's utilizing. Is my two cents. 527 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:00.519 A. What do you think about the caves? Yeah, this is 528 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:05.000 actually something I have a lot of thoughts about. I've been really deep diving 529 00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:08.960 into abandoned mines and caves. I'm working on a new series called Strange Places 530 00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:13.559 for Small Town Monsters, and it's non bigfoot stuff, So I've been going 531 00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:16.000 into a lot of weird directions, including abandoned mines all up and down the 532 00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:22.719 Appalachians and caves. I think I agree most with Shane on the Bigfoot question 533 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:24.280 when it comes to caves and mines, but I think everyone brought up some 534 00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:29.239 fantastic points. So for example, I'll explain a little bit about a position. 535 00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:31.719 But where I live here in the Northern Appalachians, New Hampshire, we're 536 00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:35.480 at the tail end. It's a lot of branded up here. We don't 537 00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:38.400 have a lot of natural cave formations. They just don't happen. Most of 538 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:42.719 what we have are rock overhangs, like I've even got one on my property 539 00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:46.880 here where it's a glacial erratic that was deposited during the melting of the ice 540 00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:51.519 and the glaciers, and it's just a giant boulder in the middle of the 541 00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:55.440 woods and it's a little overhang and porcupine actually currently lives in there because I 542 00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:59.320 see as poop everywhere. They poop where they eat and sleep kind of thing, 543 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:01.599 or run into a porcupine den. So we have a lot of these 544 00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:06.440 overhangs. There's just not big cave systems. I could imagine something like a 545 00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:10.559 sasquatch or really any other kind of creature. Bears other critters use these overhangs 546 00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:15.320 as like a temporary winter shelter. Absolutely, But then as soon as you 547 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:17.800 get down to say New York, Pennsylvania, going down the Appalachians, you 548 00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:22.840 start seeing a lot more of that limestone and some of the other geologic formations 549 00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:27.800 that create these impressive cave systems. I've been in some of them in Joe 550 00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:30.559 and Ron's Neck of the woods there in West Virginia. That you could just 551 00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:32.920 get lost in these caves how deep they is. And I think if something 552 00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:37.320 like a sasqutch is utilizing these caves, you have limited a light in there. 553 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:39.760 Even for nocturnal animals, they still need some kind of light to use 554 00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:43.800 that to help with their night vision. At least from what I understand about 555 00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:46.239 Tipedum lucidum, which I'm not a biologist, I don't know that much about 556 00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:49.800 it. I'd have to refer to somebody who knew what they're talking about. 557 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:53.920 But abandoned minds are very dangerous places. I can't talk a lot publicly about 558 00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:58.360 this because I'm working with some people on this topic and I'll be doing a 559 00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:01.400 documentary about col mining in certain parts of the appellations. I've got to be 560 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:04.840 careful what I say. I won't even give a region not to get anybody 561 00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:07.679 in trouble. But from what I understand, there's a lot of these minds 562 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:10.360 that you actually go into and there's something called black damp, which is an 563 00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:15.719 asphyxiate which will basically kill you within a few minutes. It's some kind of 564 00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:20.760 a chemical release from some of the geologic formations in there that unless you have 565 00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:23.000 some sort of a detector, and I think somebody in the comments even had 566 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:28.039 said by yourself a gas detector. I think Jimmy t had said that in 567 00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:30.599 the comments earlier, and I noticed that, And a lot of these people 568 00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:32.320 I'm talking to they do this kind of stuff a lot, So they have 569 00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:36.800 this sort of equipment, a lot of people exploring these places, and what's 570 00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:40.320 interesting is they'll find bones of bears and other animals that have gone into these 571 00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:44.159 mines and have died and are just stuck in there because they couldn't find a 572 00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:46.119 way out. Maybe they kept going in there was a threat or something, 573 00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:49.599 and they kept going in and they couldn't find a way out. A lot 574 00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.400 of times you don't know where, especially if it's a natural cave formation. 575 00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:53.639 Unless it's been mapped, you don't know where it's going to lead to. 576 00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:58.519 I watch a couple of these guys that are total lunatics down there in Georgia 577 00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:01.679 that go through those tiny little caves to talk about claustrophobia trying to go through 578 00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:05.119 some of this stuff. They don't know where they're going to end up. 579 00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:08.440 But the technology aspect's really interesting. You do have penetrating lidar that it's been 580 00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:14.039 used to map caves out. Even got to found an article by James Madison 581 00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:17.440 University students were using this technology to map these caves out. But the technology 582 00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:21.559 is there again, I think, as other people had brought up, to 583 00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:25.639 what extent it's accessible to the public is definitely a question I would say to 584 00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:30.800 bring my whole spiel back, I would imagine some mines, some caves, 585 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:35.800 maybe in more remote areas, because especially in all of them down the Appalachians, 586 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:38.920 excluding my area here from New York down to Georgia. As Joe those 587 00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:44.199 guys talked about so many abandoned minds. Can imagine maybe using them to some 588 00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:47.920 extent opportunistically. But I don't imagine going from point A to point B again, 589 00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:52.360 because let's say a sasquatch goes in there and runs into some black dam. 590 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:54.199 They just die down there, and then one of these YouTube guys goes 591 00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:58.480 in there, comes across this and that hasn't happened. Yeah, I think 592 00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:00.320 I'm a little more skeptical on that, but I don't think it's out of 593 00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:04.679 the realm of possibility, especially in an opportunistic sense. Again, I've been 594 00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:07.760 thinking about this topic a lot because I've been going into this direction for other 595 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:12.159 series. Yeah, I'll be going underground here soon, so I'll let you 596 00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:15.719 guys know if I find anything. You heard it here first, people, 597 00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:19.920 Alex is going a subterranean This is actually something that came up on the last 598 00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:22.400 roundtable that I was a part of. I was a guest over on Calling 599 00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.079 All Beings with DJ and those guys on a round table a couple of months 600 00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:29.639 back with Doug and a couple of other folks, and one of those people 601 00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:32.880 with Scott Tompkins from the Bigfoot Mapping Project. And Scott is really interested in 602 00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.039 caves and getting as much dat as possible, and he brought it to my 603 00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:42.679 attention. I had no idea that there's a federal law that prevents from publishing 604 00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:45.719 locations to a lot of these caves that we would love to know where they're 605 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:49.840 at. And that was one of the questions that Scott had, and he 606 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:52.559 was talking specifically. I can't remember exactly what the law was. It's always 607 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:57.480 passed under the guise of safety, which I get on a lot of levels. 608 00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.280 And I told him that's one of the things that easiest to introduce, 609 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:05.280 and whatever local or state government it is, if it's for safety, if 610 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:07.840 somebody dies, then you can close it off. I think it has other 611 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:10.119 connotations attached to it. We won't get into that. That's another conversation for 612 00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:15.119 another day. But I think it's interesting that during that conversation we talk more 613 00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:20.920 about the colder climates and what does sasquatch do if they are apes, and 614 00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:24.679 typically apes aren't found in very cold climates Minnesota, for example, it be 615 00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:29.440 thirty below. In some of these cases, a cave would probably save a 616 00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:32.079 sasquatch's life if they were able to crawl into it and it's forty below and 617 00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:37.199 the windshield is negative sixty. I think it's more along those lines that they 618 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:39.519 might be seeking shelter, very much like some of you guys have said, 619 00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:43.440 I don't think it's something they're doing year round. I don't think they need 620 00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:45.639 them year round. That's just my two cents. But it doesn't matter what 621 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:47.679 I think. What do you think, Daniel, what do you say about 622 00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:52.440 the subterranean Bigfoot? So I would say that they now them living in it. 623 00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:57.079 I would agree with some of these guys on here, that is a 624 00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:02.679 way that they'll get caught. Let's say a mining team going there and they 625 00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:07.159 have no exit. So I would say, possibly they can live in it. 626 00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.519 I don't think they do all the time, but I think they use 627 00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:17.280 it as a travel system to travel through areas unsync, and that's possibly how 628 00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:22.800 sometimes they just disappear. They go into a cave to get away from that 629 00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:28.519 human life, and then they come back up in a different area. And 630 00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:34.320 there are loads of when you look at the geology of some of the areas, 631 00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:38.320 like my area has gaps that they can have. But I think living 632 00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:43.639 in there, I'm not sure. And then going on to the technology side, 633 00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:47.400 I think we are revolving very quickly, and I think we are one 634 00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:52.159 day going to get a piece of tech that we'll be able to have a 635 00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.480 look at all the caves. But as we have with the ridear and all 636 00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:00.000 kind of equipment, I think we have the technology in front of us. 637 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:04.079 I just don't think a lot of people are implementing it in the field. 638 00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:15.239 They say, you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay. I 639 00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:45.800 don't want to be. We're all happened, try chip chid, everything came 640 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:53.719 right back. Joy for me, need joy to stay right. I'm coming 641 00:42:53.960 --> 00:43:52.880 right away. Side stays still start said stands side stay stay still sass, 642 00:43:53.440 --> 00:44:07.800 games and games still stays us, gas and things in fans used to past instance