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Welcome Friendsis the movie podcast podcasting time
show JACKI again, Brian, they're talking

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down Black. Welcome to a movie
film commentary track. I am Zakison.

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I'm here with Brian Hall. Hey. How's it going, Zachi? Brian?

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Have you ever been afraid to go
back in the water? I was

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about to say something to that effect
too, Just when you thought it was

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safe to go back to the podcast, We are here to talk through Jaws

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two, which was for a time
the most successful sequel ever made for a

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very long time, almost two decades. Actually, for a very brief time.

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Oh sorry, sorry, yes,
no, I was I was mixing

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facts. I was mixing facts.
This was in the top ten box office.

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Yes, that's accurate all time,
for like into the nineties, which

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I was kind of shocked. That's
correct. However, it was the most

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successful sequel of all time until about
a year later when Rocky two came out

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yep, yep, which was then
you served by Empire Strikes Back. Yeah,

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and then and then after that we
stopped counting. Yes, basically,

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yeah, movie box office had changed
forever quite drastically in the interim. But

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yeah, so this year is the
third No, sorry, it's the forty

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fifth anniversary of Jaws two. Under
that Brian drink that in what were you

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doing when Jaws two came out?
Brian? I was just of nineteen seventy

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eight. What were you up to? I was just a twinkle in my

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daddy's eye. There you go.
So you were just a concept and ye

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in search of completion. Yeah.
So so, uh, this is a

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movie that predates us and it's an
It's an interesting film for me, certainly

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because uh I I have long said
I think it's entirely fine. I think

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that Jaws two has the misfortune of
being the sequel to Jaws, but I

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think working more against it is it
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to Jaws three and four. Yeah. Yeah. It almost feels like a

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like a shift in direction, like
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pivot, Like like if there was
just Jaws one and two, you would

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have this really great DVD two pack
sitting on most people's shelves. You're totally

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rudy. Yeah, yeah, so
this is this is This was one when

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I suggested to you for a commentary. I was like, I think we

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could have a really fun conversation about
it. So hopefully, hopefully I'm right.

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I think so, I think so. I mean, this is one

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I've this is only the second time
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kind of newish to me. So
it's it's kind of fun to go back

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and not remember hardly anything and collect
my thoughts. I was worried that me

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trying to convince you to watch this
was gonna I was gonna be like Martin

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Brody trying to talk to you know, the city hall. That was my

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word. Yeah, we get it
on a ferry and one unbroken shot and

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talk with the mayor and no,
no, that's one movie ago, Brian,

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I know, but you know what
I'm bringing it over. It's too

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strong. I don't know what's a
reference from this one. Well, we're

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gonna have a fun discussion, so
if you want to watch along with us,

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please take this opportunity to get your
copy of Jaws too. Cute up.

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I know, I know y'all got
a copy of Jaws too, But

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if not, hey, you know, we'll try to keep the conversation in

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trusting and lively. But while you
queue up, let's take a short break

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and let our sponsors do their thing
and we will be back right after this,

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and we're back and ready to go. Brian, you queued up,

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I'm ready to rock. Okay,
So we are watching the one and only

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cut of Jaws two and we will
hit play on three. So one did

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three play, and here we go
one two, three play? All right,

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Well, I guess we should note
I'm starting a version that has the

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It begins with the old school universal
logo, and yours has both, right,

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Yours has the new one and the
old one. That's right. So

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I queued it up just before the
classic logo. Yeah, fade up underwater.

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So this was a film. Now, it's it's worth remembering that at

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the time Jaws two was made,
the idea of doing a sequel without Steven

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Spielberg was not, you know,
blasphemous, right, because he what he

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done. He done the duel,
the TV movie, he'd done Sugarland Express,

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and then Jaws was this surprise humong
his hit. Right, that's right.

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He hadn't done Close Encounters yet.
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two so he could do close to
it. Yeah. Yeah, they offered

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him, I mean they did ask
him, and he felt first of all,

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the first film was kind of a
miserable experience for him. Right,

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but he Oh, by the way, the number two. That's the first

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time ever a movie sequel had the
number two in the title. Yeah,

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I thought that was interesting. Yeah, not the Roman numeral. How I

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learned Roman numerals from the Rocky movies, like much like. Yeah. So

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they had asked Spielberg, and he
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he he'd made his statement with the
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a it was not a deal breaker
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that audiences wouldn't show up for a
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they were in fact correct, because
this was a massive hit when it came

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out. Yeah, and he said
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that the planned plot, I don't
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they wanted something from him, or
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by the way, here's our first
ever member Barry in movies. I it's

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exactly yes, Hey remember the Orc? Remember that boat you liked? Well?

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Speaking of is, he said that
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was the sons of Quint and Brody
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it would have been set in like
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a good point. Actually, it's
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where we get their idea of the
future. They have their jet packs that

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they use to outrace the sharks with
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well, now, I'm sad we
didn't get that now now. Richard

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Zannik and David Brown were the producers
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were sort of dragooned into doing the
second, and I think I think they

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were essentially told like, look,
there's gonna be a sequel whe or without

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you, and they were like,
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least, we want to take,
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you know, right. And and
it's kind of interesting because Jenno Swore,

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who directed this film, h he
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and I think he it helps that
he's he's working within a sort of

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a framework that is familiar, you
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is like Superman two Distracted by by
Richard Lester, where it still is similar

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enough to what Dick Donner did with
Superman the movie. Yeah, yeah,

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where you've kind of feel like you're
in the same place and and we'll talk

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a little bit about what's work does. But but you know, the original

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idea that uh, I think I
think William Sackler had the idea of of

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doing like, oh, let's do
the USS Indianapolis movie. Yeah, yeah,

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right, like the prequel, right, which I think they're still threatening

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like now by the way, yeah, that feels familiar. Like I heard

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that not long ago Joe Alvis would
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No, but but yeah, so
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I think it's a terrible idea.
But yeah, the the studio and the

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producers said no, I we think
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forward, and I think in terms
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the correct choice. But I'm curious
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UH, to say no, we
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with Martin Brody and Amity, et
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the right direction. You know.
Something that I thought was interesting was reading

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that there was another director who had
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but it started with the town of
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You know. Yeah, after the
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like, that's like a nice natural
continuation. So yeah, I think I

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would rather stay with the town.
I think. I mean, you you

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run the risk of getting repetitive,
but that's right. I think I was

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kind of impressed with thinking about the
script of this where it isn't just repeating

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beats like okay, like he gets
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on a boat and they hunt it
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the same beats. It's sort of
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that I really care about these kids
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I couldn't even really remember much about
this movie having seen it once,

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and it's because I remember it.
I'm like, oh, yeah, it's

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because these kids get trapped and I'm
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But to that point, because I
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and it had been a little while, but I definitely remember this moment right

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here where Brody sit right here and
I'm like, oh, it's them.

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Hey, look it's them again.
Yeah. Yeah, life continues, you

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know, It's like, right,
chicking back in and I again, I

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thought that multiple times. I'm like, oh, they're not ticking the boxes,

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you know, They're They're doing a
different story in the same place with

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the people we know, and I
like, I appreciate that. Now.

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Now that being said, the first
Jaws is to me, and I'm sure

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you would agree. It is a
perfect movie. Yes, there is not

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a hair out of place. This
is a film that does have at least

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a few plot points where you sort
of you squint past it. What do

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you mean? You know? Well, I think foremost among those is in

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order to make this movie work,
you have to believe that Amity is just

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full of the just the most dumb
assholes. Like Martin Brody killed your shark

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the last time, and he's like, there is a shark again, and

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they're doing the same freaking shit again. That that's pretty funny. That's a

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good point. Yes, yeah,
like you have to buy Like there's a

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moment later in the film where he
kind of has you know, he this

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thing happens on the beach and it's
like the whole town turned against him,

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and I'm like, I don't know, man, maybe he gets one right,

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Maybe he gets to be wrong this
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know. Yeah. But that being
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the fact that it is, you
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it has a similar setups first film. One thing. I was talking

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about this with my old kid yesterday. I was like, I was like

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Jaws to me, it's like die
Hard where you get one, you get

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you get one where you have the
character essentially be like, how can the

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same shit happen the same guy too? So this is that one that's yeah,

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yeah, that's hilarious. Yeah,
Diehard too, where it's like,

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yeah, but what's his line?
He says something about that, Like I

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think he literally says what I just
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keeping sort of the I don't know
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the visual language, well, no, I will. I will say the

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visual language like it's uh, it
doesn't look like someone just plopped in and

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tried to shoot like another movie that
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mean, there's still like some style
to this, Like there's that really impressive

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shot where the band is playing and
Brodie's entering the the whatever this is this

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area with the pool, and I
was like, oh, that's wow,

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Like there's some there's some vision to
this, you know, some scope and

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style. And I think that helps
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flick from the seventies, you know, like it feels a little elevated in

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terms of its presentation. Yeah,
and that that term elevated has sort of

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become like a bad word, you
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you know, potential, yeah,
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interesting thing is that I certainly,
as it pertains to the first film,

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I've never considered it a horror film. Sure, yeah, yeah, I

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considered it a thriller with some horror
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this one slides more easily into that
genre. Yeah, and you sort of

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right here, you're talking about the
kids, Like, here's a bunch of

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kids. You're like, Okay,
well, you know which ones of these

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are gonna get picked off? But
but that said, the one thought I

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did have is they they do a
decent enough job. I don't I can't

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distinguish that guy on the right,
by the way, tell me they didn't

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cast somebody looks just like Steven Spielber, I know, yeah, right,

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it's it feels like he just walked
in and got the job based on that,

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right, But I couldn't name these
kids other than like Larry Junior and

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you know, you know, miss
miss Amity whatever her name is. Yeah.

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Yeah, But but here here's my
my thought is I'm not actively rooting

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for any of them to die.
And I consider that a good thing.

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place with the first one, I
think with this one, to its credit,

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I mean, well, you have
John Williams back, which is amazing,

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and then you forgot I think it
looks like it shot like a a

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quote unquote good movie. Right.
But the thing that doesn't work, and

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I'm tracking with Brody and I'm feeling
for him, is he's trying to convince

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everybody you know, of the danger
there. But I can't say that I

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care about all the like the characters. I just didn't connect with them like

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I do in the first one.
Right, so other than the Brody's,

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other than the Brody's yeah, even
his kids, you know. And so

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they are misadventures at the end I
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enough for me to like love this
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actually quite relevant in that the films
after this tried to be like, Okay,

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now the further Adventures of Martin Brodie's
kids, and nobody gave a crap.

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See I've never even seen three and
four. Yeah, I mean you're

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fine, You're fine. Wait,
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type place, and and Michael Brody
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and the shark or not the shark. A shark shows up there and Shenanigan's

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and Sue, and then the fourth
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oh, okay, and and that
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and Michael and that one is played
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Fighter hmm. And and it's terrible. I mean, you know all the

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stories about it, You're not you're
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talk about like ruining a legacy,
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I believe the fourth one has a
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yeah, I haven't seen I haven't
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but I have seen the third one. The third one is bad,

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but based on what people say about
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the third one feels like Brian the
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That that's where that legendary quote from
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he's just like, they're like,
why'd you do Jaws? Ford, He's

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like, I've never seen it and
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the house I bought with it is
quite lovely, you know. Yeah,

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He's like, I've seen the house
that it bought me in. Yeah,

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yeah, paraphrasing, but that's kind
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Jaws. For now. What's interesting
is is Jeno Swark who stepped in after

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John Hancock who I think it was
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I think that's right after he tapped
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at it as like he stepped in
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they basically came to him the producers, They're like, what would you

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do. He's like, here's what
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you know, based on the script
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him almost immediately. And I think
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how to depict the action sequence and
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I think I think the action sequences
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movie. I agree. I think
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really well in this Yes, yeah, I was. I was thinking that's

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very interesting because obviously so much of
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the necessity of all the shark's not
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it. And then that sort of
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you can't show the shark, and
Zork was like, well, we've seen

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the shark already, like we know, like you can't replicate that again.

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new ways of depicting it, which
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so too. He doesn't go over
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see it enough. I love like, at one point it gets kind of

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a scar from an early accidentally,
it's extinguishing, and so when you see

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that, you're like, I don't
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about that that connects you with it, like, oh, this thing is

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a hunting machine and it's been hurt
and it's dangerous and it's angry, you

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know, but there's some still some
clever sort of stuff we're seeing from its

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point of view. You know,
it doesn't go overboard. I don't feel

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with it jumping out of the water, and I agree zationnannigans, which actually

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they probably couldn't have pulled off.
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the other thing is is the movie
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with the first one, where we're
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supernatural intent. I mean, it's
just a shark and and I think that's

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smart. And that's where going back
to what I was saying earlier, it's

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like, I think you get one
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first film allows for potentially one,
and then after that you kind of have

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to be like, okay, pencils
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your winnings, you know, like
yeah, yeah, you know, see

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the cashier because because that's the problem, it doesn't allow for a franchise that

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just stretches into the sunset, which
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right. I I was, you
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earlier in this week, and and
I do find it amusing that, you

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know, uh, there was there
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You had filmmakers, including Jeno's Swark
was like, man, why would you

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make a sequel to Psycho? You
know? And and and this was after

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he had made Jaws, too,
right, And I was like, That's

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what's funny to me, is like
that that tells you where where this movie

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existed in time where the idea of
a Spielberg Liss Jaws was not you know,

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like yeah, you know, yeah, you're treading on hollowed ground.

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It's just like, hey, it's
this popular movie, let's make another one.

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Let's make it. Why not?
Apparently wasn't there some other business between

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Hancock and the suits where I guess
they wanted Ellen Brody to be a bigger

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character because the rain Gary was dating
Sid Sheinberg the universe, Yeah, I

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mean, or she was married to
him at the time. Oh yeah,

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yeah, yeah, and yeah,
in in Hancock's version, Ellen Brodie's role

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was lessened, right, and and
that was something that they wanted to bump

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up. The other thing is is, yeah, there was a whole there

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was a storyline in the novel right
about the Mob, about about Larry Vaughan,

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the mayor, you know, being
tied in with the mob and stuff,

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and they resurrected that for the movie
for the sequel. And and again

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I think Hancock's idea of a darker
movie, like nowadays we're like, well,

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a darker sequel. It's a darker
number two. That's what you do.

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Yeah, isn't it right? But
but that's us, that's our post

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empire strikes back brain m m.
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by the way, what we're looking
at here where there're this guy's I

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don't know, parasailing and I don't
know what you'd call it, but that's

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his Hancock's footage. Yeah, there's
there's a few bits and pieces of Hancocks

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that made it in, but a
lot of his casting was redone. It's

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interesting because because Zwark was much more
about preserving sort of the general ethos of

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Spielberg more than Hancock wanted to.
I think Hancock wanted to sort of shake

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up the etches sketch a little bit. I mean, even in terms of

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bringing in the the the actor who
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as originally written, he wasn't in
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and and he was like, well, why don't we bring him back?

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Right? And I don't know about
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no, I liked him in the
first one. Yeah, same. I

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mean, he just brings makes the
world seem that much more real, right

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where you have familiar you know.
Yeah. Yeah, this whole idea of

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the kids on Amity sort of having
like it's like hot rod culture but with

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boats. Yeah, yeah, it's
kind of clever. I think so too.

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You know. I actually wondered.
I was like, oh, is

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this what it's like? You know, sort of like a Dawson's Creek kind

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of thing where it's like these kids
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kind of we all go out on
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one another. Whether that's real or
not, I don't know, but it

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works for this movie. It makes
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And it feels like a contrivance for
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within the world that they've created.
Yeah, same. Now this is kind

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of from the poster, right,
this woman water skiing. Yes, that's

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right. Yeah, I was thinking, I have you ever been water skiing?

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I have not, although I went
to tubing once and it was miserable

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for all seconds. Yeah. Now, I've not done it myself, but

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I've watched people do it who are
very good on the water and seen how

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difficult it is. And so I
was kind of admiring this woman here,

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like it's one thing to be good
at being champion water skier. Oh oh,

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well, there it is, I
was gonna say, because she looks

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so confident and to like have to
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what I mean, like get it
right, hit the marks and all that.

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I was really impressed. So Tina
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Berry. She obviously this is probably
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She did continue acting somewhat, but
I found it interesting. She's married to

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a composer, Brad Fiedel, he
of the Terminator score. Wow that is

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yeah, huh, just one of
those things you can't make up. Yeah.

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Right, that's really impressive, isn't
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the staging or the blocking of the
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Like where you have her on the
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especially and then the shark fin rising
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that just feels hard to pull off. Yeah, and I my understanding is

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a lot of these shots sort of
obviously relied on a lot of timing and

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sometimes just good luck, you know, almost by accident. You ended up

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with some really memorable shots. Now, now that said, one thing that

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bugs me is that we never see
the tail fin of the shark. We

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only see the dorsal fin. Hmmm. That's funny. And like, well

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they I mean they have multiple Like
if you're swimming, if it's a shark,

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like you're gonna see both, you
know, you know what. Never

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in my life as that crossed my
mind, and like that's just one of

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those things where movies, it's like
movies, it just looks cooler to see

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one that is true. Oh boy, here we go again, the handle

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skidaddling across the water empty. Yeah, so now this woman. Right here,

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we're about to see possibly one of
the dumbest people in any horror movie

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ever. I think when I first
watched this, this did sort of color

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my take for the rest of the
movie, where I was like, oh,

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so this Jaws one, it ain't. I was a little it went

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easier on it the second time,
kind of appreciated it for what it was.

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the boat that the water skier was

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on, she's like, hey,
what's going on? And then and then

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the shark comes back for seconds and
and her reaction is is somewhat bit fuddling,

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and I was thinking about it.
I was like, I have to

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imagine that something got like lost between
conception and execution. Yeah, yeah,

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right, because because you know,
I mean, we're about to see it

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where she's freaking out about the shark
and then and then you know, naturally

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her reaction is all, let me
pick up this gas tank and pour it

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on top of me. It made
it's just yeah, like you said,

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execution, I think the execution is
not great because yes, it's like she's

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getting hysterical, understandably, but then
she picks up this gas can to throw

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it at it. I don't know, but it's leaking gas all over herself

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and then she immediately picks up a
flare gun and then in a comical,

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overblown explosion, just like I think
we were saying before we got on mic

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where it feels like a family guy
moment of like, yes, hysterical person

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like accidentally doubts himself in gasoline and
blows himself up. Like it just feels

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that old lady by the way I
was, I was. I was hoping

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she'd be like a Missus Deagle character. Yes, damn, she'd have some

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ironic come up and by the shark, you know, right right, serves

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them right, you know, like
skiing in front of my proper tie,

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you know right. But nope,
Nope, she's she's quite sweet. Yeah,

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I know this is degal by the
way, I should say the woman

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from Gremlins. Oh, I was
hoping that the shark would like its Finn,

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would bat her automatic wheelchair and then
she'd you know, ramp into the

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ocean or something, you know,
by the way, that that was one

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of the things. I went on
the Warner Brothers tour several months ago and

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they show you that house. I
was like, wow, that's where she

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flew out the window. Wow,
no kidding. Yeah, you know the

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town, you know, Kingston Falls, which is also used for Hill Valley.

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Yeah, that's also Brian, That's
that's the town in Psycho too.

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Yeah, yeah, I noticed that. It's pretty cool. So so Roy

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Scheider, we got to mention we
talked right past. Roy Scheider did not

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want to be in this movie.
And and I should say the late great

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Roy Scheider. One one consistent thing
I've seen about Roy Scheider's career is how

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often he did not want to be
part of the thing that he was in.

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Way to elaborate on that, what
else I get something? Well,

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he was cast in The Deer Hunter, right, and and he he didn't

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didn't want to be in it,
you know, it was having disagreements with

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Michael Chumino. So he was replaced
by Robert de Niro, who my understanding

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is did all right, right,
right, But but him walking off Deer

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Hunter was actually what ended up landing
him in Jaws two. Although you know,

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again the script it was developed with
the intention of carrying the Brody characters

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forward, but essentially Universe was like, look, you owe us a movie,

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so you're going to do this,
But you know. Years later,

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he starred on the television series Sea
Quest for two seasons. Yeah, and

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he was pretty much miserable the whole
time until finally, you know, he's

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like, no, I don't want
to do this, and I'm like Roy

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Scheider walked off of just as many
things as he stayed on. You know,

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that's so interesting. I wonder what
his principles were. Well, I

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think when it came to Jaws,
I would have to imagine again it was

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not a pleasant experience. The other
thing is is he probably had a little

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bit of like Chuck heston Planet of
the Apes, feeling like we've already told

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the story. M sure, sure, right, and because remembers, I

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mean, Heston had the clout too
when it came to the second and be

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like, all right, well I'll
just do the beginning and end as a

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favorite to you, right mm hm. With By the way, here's here's

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00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:29.160
Chekhov's power cable. Yes, I
wonder if that's gonna have some significance later.

408
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:33.839
It's so random, you know,
because they're they're dragging the ocean,

409
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:37.359
I guess, and uh yeah,
then they accidentally hooked this power cable.

410
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:41.759
And I remember I've seen this movie
before. I did not remember how this

411
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:45.119
movie ended, but I was like, I know that, how's that going

412
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:47.920
to come up? How's that going
to come into play later? It's so

413
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:55.839
funny? Yeah, so so so
Scheider. Again, contractually he sort of

414
00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:57.359
forced to do the movie, so
he already doesn't want to be there.

415
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:02.680
And then, uh, I think
the other factor was he just did not

416
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:06.720
get along with the director. Yeah. I was reading about this like really

417
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:10.720
very a lot of blow ups,
a lot of fights. Yeah. And

418
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:15.960
it's interesting because after the film came
out his work was very complimentary of Shier.

419
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:19.920
He's like, we got into it, but he ultimately gave a really

420
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:25.920
great performance, and I think he
said that having the film be a success

421
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:27.000
under his belt, right, So
it's kind of like, well, all's

422
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:32.799
well, that ends well. But
Shider, I don't think he ever came

423
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:34.880
around on this movie. I don't
think he ever enjoyed having been a part

424
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:38.319
of it, and certainly he was
sort of amused at, you know,

425
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:42.079
where the series ended up going.
But but my point with all of that

426
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:48.079
is, notwithstanding the personal issues and
whatever, you can't watch this movie and

427
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:52.279
tell me Schider did not want to
be there. No, No, he's

428
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:56.440
he feels like the same character from
the first movie. Yeah, I mean

429
00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:01.359
he really, it's consistent, and
he's he's there to he's there to act,

430
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:05.559
you know. Yeah, he's not
phoning it in. And I think

431
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:10.440
Brody gets stuff to do in this
that feels like a natural progression from where

432
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:14.359
we left off. I was thinking
about that. I was like, you

433
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:19.440
know, there's a scene later where
he has to sort of go into the

434
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:22.000
water to retrieve something, and I
I was thinking about, how, yeah,

435
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.680
because he's not afraid of going into
the water anymore. Like we haven't

436
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:29.559
wound the clock back, is my
point, you know, yeah, yeah,

437
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:32.240
yeah, And you know there's also
a scene where he gets a little

438
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:36.559
hysterical at the beach and I was
like, this is a good scene.

439
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:39.119
This is a great idea, I
agree, you know, or the scene

440
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:42.319
too well, we'll get to it. But where this here, by the

441
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.039
way, that that the the the
killer Whale there, that's a little nod

442
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:51.839
to the movie Orca right, which
which that that movie that that was a

443
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:55.079
Dino Delrientus hack job, trying to
cash in on Jaws, because of course

444
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:59.400
that's what Dino de larent just did. But that movie starts with the killer

445
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:04.319
whale killing a great white shark.
That's so funny. So this is this

446
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:07.839
is sort of like the war between
the Jesus fish and the Darwin fish that

447
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:13.240
was played out on the on the
bumpers of America during the nineties. It's

448
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:16.920
so funny, right, right,
right, And so then here we got

449
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:22.319
an Orca with killed by shark bites. Yeah. If they had made Orca

450
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:27.079
too, that would have started with
the killer whale, uh shooting a machine

451
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:30.119
gun at a shark. Yeah,
and Jaws three would have had a rocket

452
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:32.799
launcher. We just kept going back
and forth, right, and you know

453
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:37.680
what, now that you're saying it, I wish we had give me a

454
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:44.000
shark versus killer whale team, like
a like a Godzilla versus Kong type mm

455
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:51.720
hmm. Yeah, let's make that
happen. You know what was sort of

456
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:55.960
bothering me during this this not really, but when they're measuring it and he

457
00:33:57.039 --> 00:33:59.519
takes it to the tip of the
nose, but he's like not doing the

458
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:01.440
length that he's kind of like winding
it over it, which is adding extra

459
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:05.680
inches to it. I was like, it's like, I don't know how

460
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:07.920
you would act. And I started
I stopped listening and started thinking about how

461
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:17.480
you would accurately measure this tip to
them so stupid this here where he's talking

462
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:22.280
to her about you know, the
fact that he thinks it's a shark,

463
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:29.239
and you know again it I kind
of like that that it's a progression of

464
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:32.679
what he's learned, uh from Hooper
mm hmm. And then I don't know

465
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:36.360
about you, but she says car
carrot in Carcarrius and I'm like, hey,

466
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:43.239
I know that that phrase right right
yep. Now, now, Richard

467
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:46.960
Dreyfus was originally supposed to, or
rather I should say his character was supposed

468
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:52.119
to come back. As conceived,
Hooper would have returned. Dreyfus of course

469
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:57.719
went on to make he was making
close encounters, so he was unavailable,

470
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:00.559
and I was thinking about that.
I was like, while rewatching, I

471
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:07.320
was like, obviously I would have
liked to say Hooper back. But on

472
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:10.559
on the on the you know,
pluses and minuses of not having Hooper,

473
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:16.320
I think it helps distinguish this movie
number one and number two. It it

474
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:22.519
kind of puts the onus more on
Brody mm hmm to solve the problem.

475
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:24.800
And I you know, so it
kind of like when we look at it

476
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:28.119
like, yeah, I mean obviously
we like Hooper, would like to see

477
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:31.519
him back, but I don't think
the movie suffers for his absence. Yeah,

478
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:35.280
no, I agree. I think
I think everything with Brody is pretty

479
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:38.599
good, like yeah, like his
progression and what he's learned and his fee

480
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:45.599
Like you understand why he is understandably
like really really freaking out because he's had

481
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:49.440
a face to face encounter with this
thing. He knows what it's capable of,

482
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:52.920
and so you can can see why
he gets so concerned later, Like

483
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:57.239
I yeah, I think all his
stuff I think is pretty good. Yeah.

484
00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:00.360
I think the other stuff is fine
too. I just don't can with

485
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:05.280
it in a way that I wonder
if Spielberg had done it and executed it

486
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:07.719
and casted it, that I might
feel a little more connected with all of

487
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:12.360
it. But I think that is
the problem, right because the first film,

488
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:17.599
by virtue of it being Brodie's story, Yeah, the arc is woven

489
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:22.079
through him. So by virtue of
here's Alex Kintner, he dies, that

490
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:25.920
spurs Brody into action. Blah blah
blah blah, it's you know, the

491
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:31.360
culmination where it's you know, the
third act is just three of them on

492
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:36.599
the water. I mean, I
think that works because we're invested in all

493
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:40.920
three of those characters, right,
And so yeah, to your point,

494
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.639
the movie throughout is like cutting away
to be like, hey, and here's

495
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:50.119
like this douchebag, and here's Jarry
Curl and here's you know, and it's

496
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.280
like, again, I just to
be clear, like I I'm not rooting

497
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:57.400
for any of them to die,
no, but yeah, I can't tell

498
00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:00.880
you their names, you know,
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's something.

499
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:05.559
Yeah, there's something that someone like
Spielberg or not just him, but

500
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:09.199
you know, a good filmmaker would
like really made us identify with at least

501
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:13.599
one of them. Yeah, you
know, and I don't really track with

502
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:16.800
any of them. But to your
point, though, when you go watch

503
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:21.199
certain movies and you're like, eh, well, I'm here to watch five

504
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:22.639
teenagers get killed, you know what
I mean, Like that's the point of

505
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.599
this horror film. But like with
this one, you know, later one

506
00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:29.719
of them does get eaten at the
end, and I was like, oh,

507
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:31.480
not her, you know, like
I felt really bad. Yeah.

508
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:35.800
So I mean I think that's to
the movie's credit that we're never rooting for

509
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:39.360
anyone to get eaten, right,
Like it doesn't turn into like kids just

510
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:44.000
being fodder that we're rooting for the
shark, like we're I was always rooting

511
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:46.400
for the kids to escape it,
exactly, and I think that's really crucial,

512
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:51.840
honestly. Yeah. Yeah, and
that's I mean, this is more

513
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:55.599
of a horror movie than the first
film, but by the standards of the

514
00:37:55.679 --> 00:38:00.000
types of horror movies that were being
made at the time, it is pretty

515
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:02.559
tame. I mean, yeah,
this is the same year as Halloween,

516
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:07.880
right, seventeen was seventy nine,
I think, right, was it seventy

517
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:09.920
eight? I'm not sure. I'm
not. I mean it's it's thereabouts for

518
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:15.079
sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is seventy eight, you're right.

519
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:20.280
Yeah, so you get the whole
slasher thing and Halloween, I mean

520
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:22.960
really got that ball rolling. Yeah, I was gonna say, I mean,

521
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:24.000
it wasn't the first, but that's
where I think it really kind of

522
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:30.320
kicked off. Yeah. See see
this scene here. I think it's interesting

523
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:36.679
because I think, so we have
Brody trying to convince Mayr Vaughan again,

524
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:39.079
you know about like, yeah,
it might be a shark, and I'm

525
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:44.519
like, yeah, but he's been
like they've both been through this, right,

526
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:50.639
and and so to me, I
think, I think Murray Hamilton does

527
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:53.360
something interesting where he feels like much
more of a broken man in this one.

528
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:59.880
He's sort of beaten down, and
I wonder how much of that is.

529
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:01.440
You know, Murray Hamilton, at
the time they were filming the movie,

530
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:05.679
he was dealing with sort of you
know, personal issues because his wife

531
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:08.119
was sick and yeah, you know
that those really were it really said,

532
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:10.559
yeah, And so maybe we see
some of that in his performance. But

533
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:17.440
I'm like, why not, why
not make Mayor Vaughan Brody's ally. I

534
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:21.840
was just going to pitch that to
you because you have the council, and

535
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:24.440
that's fine if the council doesn't quite
get it, but like, it feels

536
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:29.239
like it would be interesting if he
was conflicted. Brody is one hundred percent

537
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:30.719
on this side, the council is
one hundred percent on the other side,

538
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:34.840
and you put him in the middle, like no, yeah, no,

539
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:37.719
I know, I was there,
you know, like, what is what

540
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.079
does he do? Maybe he had
to get trimmed down because of the things,

541
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:44.000
you know, he could be there
for. I don't know, well,

542
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:46.000
I mean there's definitely stuff of his
that got left out. And I'll

543
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:49.599
talk about it when we get there. But but I mean in the first

544
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:54.320
film, it's that really great moment
remember where after the Kintner attack, where

545
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:59.679
where Larry's like, you know,
Martin, my kid was out there,

546
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:00.960
you know, Yeah, when he's
got that and he's trying to like that

547
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:04.960
cigarette and he's at the hospital.
Yeah, it's a terrific one. It's

548
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:07.840
a Spielberg wonner, you know.
And and to me, I'm like,

549
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:12.400
well, you're not the same guy
after that moment, and so it's kind

550
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:15.119
of frustrating that they kind of just
put him back in that role. And

551
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.679
and you know, it's like a
famous meme, right, like the Mayor

552
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:21.039
and Jaws is the same Mayor and
Jaws too, you know, vote your

553
00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:27.599
local elections, right, And it's
unfortunate because I think there's an opportunity there

554
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:32.360
to make his character a little bit
more more nuanced. Agreed. Yeah,

555
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:37.360
yeah, Yeah, here's that scene
you were talking about. The Yeah,

556
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:42.840
I was like, he, I
mean, he's he's not so much hesitant

557
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:45.079
about going back in the water.
He's he's trying to catch the thing.

558
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:47.719
And I was like, again,
yeah, because he used to be afraid

559
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:51.760
of the water, he's not anymore. Yeah, yeah. I mean I

560
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:53.760
was kind of relating to what I
feel like his body language is doing,

561
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:58.960
which is, I don't really want
to get all wet. Yeah, but

562
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:02.159
yeah he doesn't. I don't see
fear. Right. Well, now after

563
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:05.000
this, he'll be afraid to go
back in the water. Now, yes,

564
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:07.559
right, this is a pretty good
jump scare. Actually, I've seen

565
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:15.039
the movie and I forgot about this
me too. Yeah. Yeah, you

566
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:21.840
can you imagine that just like a
wave just dropping that on top of you.

567
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:28.119
No, that crispy critter. Yeah, that'll haunt you. You know.

568
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:30.679
It'd be kind of funny though,
as if like the coroner was examining

569
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:32.639
her and he's like, well,
I think what happened was she saw she

570
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:37.760
saw the shark, irrationally grabbed a
gas can, poured it all over her

571
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:42.400
head, and blew herself up.
Like he's really, he's he's really,

572
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:52.400
he's the best quarter. I love
this though. I love this is like

573
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:55.920
I've seen this monster, I know
what it's capable of, and now I'm

574
00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:01.719
going to go to the the stream
here to prevent this from happening again.

575
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:07.039
And I love that he's a little
private about it. He covers it up

576
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:10.519
right, he doesn't right, Yeah, the other guy to see it,

577
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:14.800
and and the other guy's like,
what what did you just cover up in

578
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:17.079
there? Like I think this is
all great. Yeah, this is good

579
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:20.679
stuff. And it feels different.
That's what I'm saying about being a sequel,

580
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:23.960
Like this feels we're continuing the story. I don't remember a scene quite

581
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:30.159
like this in the original, Like
this is good original stuff. It's you

582
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.320
know, I mean, this is
that's the dilemma with sequels in general,

583
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:36.719
which is that balancing act of how
much do we repeat, how much do

584
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:42.079
we mix it up? And what
are what what what what combination of those

585
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:46.679
ingredients to audiences want and there's no
one size fits all, right, And

586
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:50.280
you know, for example, you
know, you look at something like Ghostbusters

587
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:53.679
Too, which you know you've commented
like, I mean it it's so and

588
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:59.440
it's repeating so many of the beats
from the first film, and it does

589
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:02.840
that thing where people sort of turn
on them. And I was confused because

590
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:06.280
I was like, don't you remember
when you were cheering for them like two

591
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:09.480
years ago because they saved the city. Yeah, it's hard and there's some

592
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:15.800
of that here. Yeah. Yeah, I want to point out to people

593
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:17.679
who just sorry, real quick for
people who aren't watching along. What I'm

594
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:22.800
talking about is we see Brody after
he knows, like what's happened. There's

595
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:28.360
a shark. He takes these holow
tip bullets and he's putting poison and and

596
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:30.199
he's going to like, I am, there's no way this thing's getting away

597
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:39.079
from me. I like the little
bit about you know, the very opening

598
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:43.400
scenes set up that camera, and
that's sort of like we as the audience,

599
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:44.880
are like, come on, come
on, develop the film, like

600
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:54.599
uh huh, yep, that'll make
your case. Yeah, come on now.

601
00:43:55.320 --> 00:44:01.840
Jenno's work before directing Jaws, he
had directed episodes of Night Gallery,

602
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:09.039
and he went on to do Somewhere
in Time, the Christopher Reeve Jane Seymour

603
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:14.280
romance, which I've never seen.
Yeah, it is beloved by many,

604
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:19.360
but I am not among those many. Ah okay. He also did Supergirl

605
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:22.920
in nineteen eighty four, which I
have not seen, wich Is, which

606
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:30.039
is beloved by nobody. And he
also did Santa Claus the Movie in nineteen

607
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:32.760
eighty five. That's again I have
not seen, so I am not a

608
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:39.960
connoisseur of him, but that is
a total video store like I've seen that

609
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:44.000
box so many times, right,
Like, I don't know why that one

610
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:46.119
always stood out to me. Santa
Claus the movie, but I never saw.

611
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:54.559
Yeah, at this point, he's
a very prolific television director. So

612
00:44:54.719 --> 00:45:00.360
even up to now, I mean
he Criminal Minds and Gray's Anatomy and yeah,

613
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:04.800
I mean he's still working. I
know he did several small Ville episodes.

614
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:08.840
Wow, okay, yeah, so
so he at least found a groove

615
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:13.119
there. But I mean, certainly
at the time, I mean, he

616
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:16.519
he got to claim credit for the
most successful sequel of all time, which

617
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:21.320
that was a short lived record admittedly, but hey, you know, but

618
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:25.480
stick it in your in your hat
or whatever, that nothing, whatever the

619
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:30.360
metaphor is. You know, it's
kind of I wouldn't say laughing, but

620
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:35.840
just sort of noticing the video game
that they're playing. Like, you know,

621
00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:39.360
just this past week, Spider Man
two came out on PlayStation and you

622
00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:45.920
can, like I can like find
where my wife's you know, family's apartment.

623
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:51.199
Is that that game is so detailed
in New York, Like you can

624
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:57.559
literally find like places the streets make
sense. It's insane the scope of that

625
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:00.239
game. And then you're looking at
the kids playing the game there where just

626
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:02.880
like four squares bouncing around the screen
and you're like, at the time,

627
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:07.320
that was like, this is the
most fun I've ever had, you know,

628
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:10.559
it is so funny. And that's
just what it was, man.

629
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:15.119
Yeah, yeah, and it probably
was fun. I was. I was

630
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:22.000
telling my class about Atari games.
Yeah, and I might as well have

631
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:25.400
been, you know, just like
a man from Pluto the way it was

632
00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:29.920
just I was like, yeah,
you had like this square and that square,

633
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:31.840
and you know there's like a little
square you tried to get in between

634
00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:37.119
those other big squares and that was
a game. The hell. Yeah,

635
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:44.679
that's so funny. You know.
When I was watching this, I was

636
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:50.639
like, that water ski or not
the water ski v like jet ski or

637
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:52.840
whatever that guy's on. I was
like, huh, what was the jet

638
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:57.239
ski invented? Like it looks like
sort of an early version of it.

639
00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:00.880
And it turns out that I guess
the first time it was like a prototype

640
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:06.159
of the jet ski was first used
on screen and the spy loved me a

641
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:10.519
year later or earlier. Wow,
okay, so it was like brand new.

642
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:14.360
It was like brand new. Yeah, So like the prototype for that

643
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:16.599
thing was in a year earlier in
the James Bondfield just a year earlier.

644
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:21.039
Yeah, yeah, I remember it
in The Spy Who Loved Me. I

645
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:30.400
didn't realize that was a prototype for
it though. Yeah. So the Yeah,

646
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:35.159
the character that Ellen Brody works for, who's played by Joe Muscolo.

647
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:39.079
He's kind of meant to be like
a romantic rival for her. That's fine.

648
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:43.079
I did not pick up on that
at all. Yeah, exactly right,

649
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:46.360
And I think that's kind of a
problem, Yeah, because because there's

650
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:53.800
sort of this element of like Brody
being jealous of him, and and there's

651
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:58.159
some stuff cut out where like Brody
gives him a ticket even though he didn't

652
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:01.800
really need to, and stuff like
that. And I think the problem there

653
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:09.840
is you don't like Ellen Brody is
very clearly devoted to Martin, right,

654
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:16.000
and so that subplot doesn't make sense. If you have that subplot, one

655
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:21.079
of them has to look bad then
yep, either either Martin or Ellen.

656
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:27.239
Yeah, you know, and I
realize you want to give her some business.

657
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:30.239
But like I liked it, they
are a unit, that's right.

658
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:35.480
Yeah, Yeah, I mean I
like later on where yeah, it's the

659
00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:37.079
two of them together that go on
the water and you know, they find

660
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:40.920
you know, after the shark attack
later, you know, m hm,

661
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:45.239
see this whole thing where Brody is
up there, He's not doing anything,

662
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:49.159
He's just up there keeping an eye
out. And the way these guys are

663
00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:52.079
shipping their pants over it. I
was just about to bring this up,

664
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:55.519
and I was like, maybe I
even missed something, But I was like,

665
00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:59.239
yeah, he's just in a lookout
tower, just keeping an eye on

666
00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:02.199
things of his job, you know, like and everyone is like they're that

667
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:08.159
bastard. Yeah, like I told
him, you know, like what won't

668
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:12.599
people think? I'm like, I
don't know, I don't think I think

669
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:19.800
anything. Yeah, it's very funny, like if he had like some sort

670
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:22.079
of harpoon that he was like squinting
through a scope and pointing out at the

671
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:25.679
ocean, like maybe I'd feel like
you look like a crazy person, right.

672
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.079
See again, Like that, that
to me is like a fundamental flaw

673
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:35.719
in the story construction. Where again, where you're not talking about a shark

674
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:40.000
attack like fifty years ago. It
was three years ago. You know that

675
00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:45.800
that Alex Kintner was eaten alive.
It's not that long ago. And this

676
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:51.280
is an opportunity to have the mayor
sort of like in an awkward place between

677
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:52.960
you know, the two camps.
You know, it's like, well,

678
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:55.920
you know, he's not hurting anybody, and just let him do the thing

679
00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:58.519
it's like, and then the other
guy could be like, it's not a

680
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:00.760
good look, Mayor. Yeah,
you know like that that would be some

681
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:06.639
good business. Yeah. And I
think you know, the the Joseph Muscolo

682
00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:15.519
character, if you have him representing
a power that sort of outranks Mayor Vaughan,

683
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:22.039
you know where where he's powerless to
to stop that, you know,

684
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:25.880
yep, yep, Yeah, I
think that that would have been good.

685
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:34.840
But the I agree, Yeah,
no, I was. I was gonna

686
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:38.360
say, I think it's a nice
juxtaposition of you know what we're sort of

687
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:43.039
you know, the the Alex Kintner
seen in the first one. That's what

688
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:46.119
we're used to, and so you
think this is going to be something in

689
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:55.880
that vein Yep, yep, And
it's you can appreciate how he feels.

690
00:50:55.920 --> 00:51:01.320
I mean, we've seen seen this
shark shaped shadow in the water. We

691
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:06.519
know what he's been through, and
then but he he goes I don't know

692
00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:07.519
if I want to call it too
well, I guess he does go too

693
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:12.199
far because he starts before actually seeing
anything. He like fires his weapon.

694
00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:15.880
That's right, but you you understand
where he's coming from, and you also

695
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:20.559
feel the embarrassment, you know,
like of how he's being perceived by these

696
00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:22.880
people who don't quite know what's going
on, aren't in his head. And

697
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:27.039
I just, yeah, I feel
like this is a great moment for this

698
00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:37.719
character. And and the I mean, the the panic he's evincing is real.

699
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:44.599
But since there isn't any context of
a shark attack specifically that people are

700
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:47.559
aware of, it's just yeah,
the crazy guy shooting at the water.

701
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:52.159
Yeah, I mean in that shot
is pretty good there where we see the

702
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:54.360
weapon pointed at the ocean, but
there's still a person in frame like yeah,

703
00:51:54.719 --> 00:52:05.000
that's yeah, point your weapon,
yeah yeah. And then wet bluefish.

704
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:10.880
He's bluefish, Brian guy. But
it's like a sweet moment. You

705
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:15.119
know, we have that moment in
the first movie very Spielberger. He likes

706
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:19.320
people sort of mimicking other people's motions. Right yere, he's folding his hands

707
00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:22.880
and you got the sun folding his
hands and they mimic making faces at one

708
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:25.320
another. And in this one,
I I like, I don't feel like

709
00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:29.679
it's it's copying it. I feel
like it's another sweet moment. Oh he

710
00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:32.119
picks up the casings. Yep,
yeah, no, that that was a

711
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:37.440
nice moment. I agree. It
reminded me of that that piece in the

712
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:44.519
first film. I agree. Now, look at the way that everybody's so

713
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:47.000
mad. I wish there was like
one kid who like who has like a

714
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:52.639
Martin Brodie doll, and they're just
like so disappointed. They just like leave

715
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:54.679
it on the ground and they just
walk away, like, Oh, I'm

716
00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:58.599
just gonna say, is he is
he loyal or is he disheartened? Like

717
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:02.519
he disheartened, Like he's like,
no, I believed in you, Yeah,

718
00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:08.760
you were my hero, Blody,
Now I don't believe in anything.

719
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:12.760
Go right there. It just glared
at him. She like she throws away

720
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:21.719
her Brody doll. Meanwhile, Ellen
is going off to screw that guy and

721
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:23.920
me, I guess, not being
very observant, didn't pick up on the

722
00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:29.800
movie trying to make me feel that
at all. It's right, yeah,

723
00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:30.960
this this right here, right and
then and then his son comes. I

724
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:35.360
mean it's it's it's it is a
nice moment. Yeah yeah, And I

725
00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:38.000
mean you talking to too, Schider
showing up for this, even though he

726
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:39.599
didn't want to be there too.
I mean, look at the way he's

727
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:45.119
so like embarrassed and still having to
do his end. But I love how

728
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:47.880
he how he looks at his son
like I don't know, it's just it's

729
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:53.000
just a really nice moment. Yeah
he needs it. That that actor who

730
00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:57.480
plays Sean by the Mark Gilpen.
I just read that he he just died

731
00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:01.360
like a few months ago as were
recording this. Oh uh you know,

732
00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:12.320
he's like fifty three. You know, wow, I said, what does

733
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:19.079
that saying? Yeah, plaque on
his desk, but I had like a

734
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:29.039
little smaller sort of Jaws preserved skeleton. Well, I wouldn't want to face

735
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:36.880
my boss after this, after awkward
and a crowded beach. Yeah. Yeah,

736
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:39.840
they needed like a the Amity Register
or something like that newspaper. And

737
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:45.360
it's like gun toting madman, you
know, a picture of him like waving

738
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:49.440
the gun around, you know,
yeah, yeah, him putting that down

739
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:59.960
on his desk, like uh yeah, but yeah, But like I was

740
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:02.000
saying, though, I feel like
the movie makes me believe that he would

741
00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:07.880
do that, but you can also
appreciate how that would appear to everyone else,

742
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:12.920
you know, right right. Yeah. See, Now I'm curious,

743
00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:17.239
like, what is your history with
this this film Jaws too, because I

744
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:21.840
mean you you probably saw the first
one like when you were a kid,

745
00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:24.920
right, yeah. My grandpa showed
it to me when I think it was

746
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:29.159
like early junior high. I was
visiting and there's some cousins over and you

747
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:31.039
know, the adults are altogether,
and he was like, I think he

748
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:34.440
had taped it off of TV and
was like, here, you'll enjoy this,

749
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:39.719
and I did, but and he
just left you alone as you're yeah.

750
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:45.480
Yeah, but that was the first
time I saw it, and I

751
00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:47.599
remember like enjoying it, but it
wasn't one of those movies I went back

752
00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:53.039
to a lot. I think I
revisited it in like early college ish okay,

753
00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:57.960
once you became a bona fide film
nerd yes, yeah, kind of,

754
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:00.599
you know, like knowing that this
was like one of those hallowed movies,

755
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:02.840
and so I was like, oh, I should I should watch that

756
00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:07.159
again. And I think I did
see it through a different lens, you

757
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:09.639
know, the way that I was
beginning to watch movies. How about yourself,

758
00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:15.840
Yeah, I so, I you
know, they showed the first two

759
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:20.320
movies on television in Satdi Arabia when
I was living there, and by chance,

760
00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:22.440
I happened to be out of town
when they showed the first one,

761
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:23.880
but I was there when they showed
the second one, so I actually saw

762
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:29.119
the second one first, okay,
uh. And you know, I saw

763
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:31.000
it and I thought it was fine
and and and it must have been just

764
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:34.880
edited to within an inch of its
life, because I don't know how you

765
00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:37.320
would have had like all the all
the all the kissing and the bikinis and

766
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:42.159
stuff in that Saday TV that.
So I just in hindsight, i'm thinking

767
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:44.840
about that. I'm like, it
was probably like thirty seven minutes long,

768
00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:49.519
you know, but I you know, I thought it was fine, and

769
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:57.000
and I didn't end up watching Jaws
until later for sure. H and and

770
00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:00.719
I only say that because, like, you know, I probably in the

771
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:04.960
DVD era now that I think about
it. I watched one and two together

772
00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:07.079
and I revisited too, not with
like, oh it was such a great

773
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:09.039
movie, like I had an affinity
for it from when I was a kid.

774
00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:13.559
It wasn't like that, but I
watched I was like, no,

775
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:19.159
this is good, like the second
one, and and I felt confident in

776
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:22.199
that, you know, where I've
said what I said earlier, Like I

777
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:25.239
think if it was just one and
two and nothing else, then you'd have

778
00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:30.280
this, like even now thought what's
thought of as a pretty good you know,

779
00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:34.679
two pack or like a digital bundle
on Voodoo or whatever. I just

780
00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:37.840
Jaws one and two. You know. I think you're so right, because

781
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:42.199
I think I was sort of tainted
with that with all the sequels, you

782
00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:44.639
know, just thinking, oh,
well, there's one classic in the rest

783
00:57:44.679 --> 00:57:47.679
are just these cash grabs? Yeah
yeah, yeah, I mean kind of

784
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:50.840
what we were saying about Psycho Too. I think I think if it was

785
00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:53.960
just Psycho Too, you'd have,
you know, two well regarded movies,

786
00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:58.039
you know, hm, not as
good. The first one is still better,

787
00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:00.320
but now it's a pretty decent one, you know. Yeah, yeah,

788
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:04.639
yeah, they found some interesting things
to mine, to continue mining.

789
00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:07.960
Yeah, yeah, exactly, you
know, And and and I think,

790
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:12.320
you know, it's unfortunate that the
yeah, they really did sort of pee

791
00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:15.960
in the pool with the with the
third and fourth ones. Where where now

792
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:19.280
the notion, I mean, when
you think about it, Marty's reaction in

793
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:23.039
Back to the Future Too is a
reflection of what those sequels were thought of

794
00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:29.320
as, right, and oh oh
yes, right, yeah, I forget

795
00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:31.199
I would the shark still looks fake. Well, the shark doesn't look fake

796
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:36.400
in this one. That's the joke, right, Jaws nineteen exactly. They

797
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:39.480
never stopped. They never they will
never stop making those Yeah, yeah,

798
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:45.800
exactly, yeah, this see this
real quick, like you know, Murray

799
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:52.280
Hamilton, uh he you know,
he they had to he had his wife

800
00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:55.119
had like a health scare. So
he ended up being like he told the

801
00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:59.000
producers like, look, I gotta
I gotta go, right, and they

802
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:01.639
very generously, well, let's just
will you let us shoot all of your

803
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:07.480
remaining stuff in the next two days, And they pulled everybody back and they

804
00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:09.760
were able to do that, and
I'm glad they did that, and I'm

805
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:14.039
but I do wonder like did his
character have more to do later in the

806
00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:17.199
movie, because he's like, this
is the last time we see Mayor Vaughn

807
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:21.719
in this film, right right,
and you know there's this is this is

808
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:27.119
one of the frustrations. There is
a deleted part of this sequence where they

809
00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:30.880
show the vote and they show that
Mayor Vaughn is the only one who sides

810
00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:37.639
with Brodie. Oh I love that, right, that's sort of speaking to

811
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:42.079
what I was talking about earlier.
I mean, that's so it is,

812
00:59:42.199 --> 00:59:45.440
it was there. I I kind
of can't believe that they didn't keep that.

813
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:50.400
That feels really important. Yeah,
I don't know why they cut it

814
00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:52.960
out because I can't imagine it would
have impacted the pacing that much, but

815
00:59:53.159 --> 01:00:01.719
it would have added this dimensionality to
Mayor Vaughn you know, yep, yeah,

816
01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:06.280
and yeah, I mean he he
died not too long after this movie

817
01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:09.239
came out, maybe five six years
later. Murray Hamilton, I mean,

818
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:16.840
yeah, he's so good, just
the looks he's given Brody in there,

819
01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:20.800
you know, sitting, Yeah,
even his sort of song like hey this

820
01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:23.559
is a private meeting, you know, it's just so good. Yeah,

821
01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:28.800
it's I mean, there is like
a sadness there, and I I feel

822
01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:32.039
like it would have been beneficial to
show that, well, Vaughan and Brody

823
01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:36.760
kind of went through this thing together
and they are joined by that experience,

824
01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:42.079
but the movie doesn't delve too much
into that unfortunately. Yeah. I would

825
01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:45.360
have loved just just at least having
that one deleted scene that you were talking

826
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:46.679
about I think was, yeah,
like he's a dimensionality. I mean,

827
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:51.239
it just would have added that much
more to it. I do think it's

828
01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:52.840
interesting that, you know, his
son, Larry Junior is one of the

829
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:58.159
characters, and I did appreciate that
they didn't make his son like Moider.

830
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:05.440
Yeah, that's a good point.
That feels very eighties. I guess maybe

831
01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:08.280
like like set him up as a
douchebag and have him get killed by the

832
01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:13.360
shark. I actually appreciate that they
steered away from that. You know what,

833
01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:15.119
whoever was making films in the eighties
probably saw this and was like,

834
01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:19.360
you know what, the only sour
note in this movie. They should have

835
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:28.039
had his son this douchebag. Yeah. No, but I agree, I

836
01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:34.119
like that too. Just feels too
cliche. I mean, he's the only

837
01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:37.320
kid I can think of by name
right really other than you know, like

838
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:40.920
you know, Tina or whatever.
But like, I do feel like there

839
01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:47.679
was an opportunity to have some kind
of relationship between Larry Junior and Michael Brodie.

840
01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:52.960
Yeah, just just just as a
way of like just adding some character

841
01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:55.440
texture, you know. I think, Yeah, that goes back to what

842
01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:59.960
we were saying earlier, like there's
nothing for me to latch onto with these

843
01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:04.320
kids, so like if you give
them some sort of like at least one

844
01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:09.559
or two of them some sort of
hook. Then I think the whole peril

845
01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:15.360
of the last act would hit a
little harder, right, Yeah, I

846
01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:30.679
agree with that. Yeah yeah.
I like the little bit here about Jeff

847
01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:35.360
the deputy like being like, look, I don't want your job. Yeah

848
01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:39.039
yeah, how loyal he is to
him. And it's funny because then later

849
01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:44.360
at the end when he's taking over
the boat and he's just yelling at the

850
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:47.480
deputy like I was like, hey
man, this guy's like on your pal,

851
01:02:47.719 --> 01:02:52.280
like he thinks you're the greatest chief. Come on, Yeah, you're

852
01:02:52.280 --> 01:03:00.360
talking to him like some sort of
I don't know, we'll do it ordinate

853
01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:13.559
yeah, trunk, trunk Brody.
Now you know we're talking about how how

854
01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:21.039
Dreyfuss didn't do this one because he
was off making he was making close encounters.

855
01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:23.639
You know. That kind of reminds
me of how, you know,

856
01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:29.559
Roy Scheider is in the French Connection
the first one, but he's not in

857
01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:35.000
the second one because he was off
making Jaws. Oh funny. So it's

858
01:03:35.079 --> 01:03:38.079
just like franchise musical Chairs, you
know. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

859
01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:42.800
but it's like you're glad that all
those exist. Yeah, well, French

860
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:45.519
Connection too, I was actually thinking
as like, that's a good example of

861
01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:50.320
like, you know, it's like
a sequel that I think is generally thought

862
01:03:50.360 --> 01:03:52.840
of as pretty okay, right,
and they stopped there. I think that

863
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:55.360
kind of helps. Hmmm. You
know, I don't know if I've seen

864
01:03:55.400 --> 01:04:00.679
two French Connection, You've seen the
first one, right, Yeah, French

865
01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:05.840
Connection two is like it is like
textbook. It's okay, Like I don't

866
01:04:05.840 --> 01:04:11.159
think you need it. John Frankenheimer
directed it. Yeah, And if you

867
01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:14.840
liked Gene Hackman as Pop Bye Doyle, here's another pop by Doyle. You

868
01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:15.880
know. But they didn't like Dirty
Harry, that bitch, you know what

869
01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:19.880
I mean, they didn't just right
right, right right, you know,

870
01:04:19.960 --> 01:04:23.320
it's just like no, it's just
these two movies. And I think it's

871
01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:29.239
totally fine, you know. Yeah. I like by the way, this

872
01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:31.519
picture that he has as evidence that
he got from the camera at the beginning

873
01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:36.320
of the movie. I like that
it's clearly to him and to us we're

874
01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:40.840
like, oh, yeah, that's
a shark. But it's obscure enough that

875
01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:45.320
if you think you're talking to some
someone who's hysterical, that's right. Look,

876
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:48.159
man, like I don't know what
I'm looking at Yeah, this is

877
01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:51.079
not enough. This is not enough
for me. I think I like that.

878
01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:57.559
I think it'd be funnier if it
was like a Crystal Clear like iPhone

879
01:04:57.639 --> 01:05:02.079
fourteen. Obviously it's a perfect,
quickly framed shot of a shark, yeah,

880
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:06.719
from from from from you know,
stem to stern, all contained within

881
01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:14.639
the frame. And they're like,
I'm just not seeing it. Yeah,

882
01:05:14.639 --> 01:05:16.800
I don't know what am I looking
at. It's like, are you crazy?

883
01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:23.679
I would love that? Well,
you know, you know after this,

884
01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:27.800
you know, Xanak and Brown,
they wanted to do Jaws three people

885
01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:31.639
zero, Yeah, which was going
to be like an airplane type y,

886
01:05:32.199 --> 01:05:36.440
right, that's right. They were
like, at this point, there's nothing

887
01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:43.800
but parody, So why not like
own that too? You know what do

888
01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:46.840
you think about that? I mean, obviously you don't want to like stain

889
01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:50.440
the ones that came before it by
just poking fun at them. Yeah,

890
01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:55.079
but like maybe there's some something to
that, right, It's like, look,

891
01:05:55.079 --> 01:05:59.199
there's nowhere else to go here but
to laugh, So yeah, why

892
01:05:59.239 --> 01:06:03.880
not? Like like a airplane was
what nineteen eighty I think that one.

893
01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:08.639
The first one was in the seventies. Airplane was not in the seventies.

894
01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:12.280
That was a eighties movie, the
first one. Yeah, I'm fairly certain

895
01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:15.320
it was in the seventies. There's
a sequel that was early eighties. The

896
01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:21.079
sequel was like eighty four, let's
see Airplane, Oh eighty you're right,

897
01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:27.159
Yeah, Okay, that sounds right. So my thought is they probably x

898
01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:31.400
Anakin Brown probably saw the success of
Airplane. Yeah, and based on that,

899
01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:35.199
we're like, why don't we do
this? And they were basically told

900
01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:38.679
by the studio, you know,
don't shit where you eat kind of thing,

901
01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:43.199
you know. Yeah, And and
I think, well, objectively,

902
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:48.400
they were proven right in that there
was nowhere else to go. Mm hmm,

903
01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:56.320
right, because because you know,
three and four are are essentially unintentional

904
01:06:56.400 --> 01:07:00.519
parodies. Yeah, right, right, So what's to lose? Maybe that's

905
01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:03.079
just me with you know whatever,
forty plus years of hindsight looking at it.

906
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:04.920
But I mean, don't you think, like, well, why not?

907
01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:10.880
What the hell? Like? Yeah, I mean that's how I feel.

908
01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:14.199
But I again, I mean I
also understand that you don't want to

909
01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:18.360
like damage the integrity of like if
you start parrooting specific things from the first

910
01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:24.000
ones, then you may run the
risk of people never looking at those movies

911
01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:26.960
the same way. Oh yeah,
okay, that's kind of a good point.

912
01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:30.679
I don't know. I can see
it both ways, honestly, Yeah,

913
01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:33.400
I can see the wisdom in it. I can see why it could

914
01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:36.119
be a good idea, at least, I don't know if it's worth it.

915
01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:42.679
Well, at least they made two
more after this. That's all I

916
01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:45.280
have to say, you know.
Yeah, Well it's funny that you say,

917
01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:47.559
though, then they became accidental comedy, so yeah, I mean,

918
01:07:47.719 --> 01:07:55.519
I mean, it's that's pretty much
right, Like it's it's neither of the

919
01:07:55.639 --> 01:08:00.679
latter films even touch forget the first
one. They don't even touch this one,

920
01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:02.760
you know, I know, And
that's kind of like, man,

921
01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:10.880
talk about just immolating your brand,
right. I wait, now, who

922
01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:14.719
is the woman or girl? I
guess who is taking the younger brother.

923
01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:19.399
I don't remember her from the start
of the movie. She's like, yeah,

924
01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:23.880
no, she's the one. She's
one of them, honestly, Like,

925
01:08:23.960 --> 01:08:26.960
I know who she is. But
I couldn't pick these characters out of

926
01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:29.840
a lineup. Yeah I couldn't either, I mean except for you know,

927
01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:31.640
this kid kind of looks like Napoleon
Dynamite and like, yeah, and and

928
01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:34.760
and Napoleon over here earlier in the
movies, like I want, I asked,

929
01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:38.920
gouddad girl whatever, and we're supposed
to care even a little bit.

930
01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:44.600
I know none of this stuff works. Yeah, they're interplay, but but

931
01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:47.319
yeah, I was confused because she
struck me the person who takes the younger

932
01:08:47.359 --> 01:08:50.199
brother on her boat. She struck
me as a little older than all of

933
01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:55.319
them. I don't know why,
Like she just came across as more mature,

934
01:08:56.399 --> 01:08:58.439
and so I was like, wait, is she with them or is

935
01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:00.560
she just another person who's taking a
boat out and they know her? Like

936
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:03.880
I I was kind of confused.
And she's so sweet that she's going to

937
01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:08.880
take the brother out by herself,
you know, and like not go out

938
01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:12.720
with her friends. I think I
was confused. Well, in the in

939
01:09:12.800 --> 01:09:15.720
that vein, Brian, I kind
of I did like that, you know,

940
01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:18.800
Michael sort of like forced to take
Sean. But it's not like hey,

941
01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:23.760
why did you bring your dumb brother? You know, yeah, they

942
01:09:23.800 --> 01:09:27.479
all like they look after him,
which I actually really liked. Yeah,

943
01:09:27.640 --> 01:09:30.520
yeah, I wonder I don't know
if they even put this much thought into

944
01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:32.399
it, but like sort of small
town, it's like, well, yeah,

945
01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:35.840
we all know each other, you
know. Plus he's the chief's son,

946
01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:39.840
so you probably don't want to.
Yeah, that's true, that's true.

947
01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:45.800
But yeah, this is this is
what I remembered most when we were

948
01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:49.439
going to revisit this, just that
the the third actor revolved around these kids

949
01:09:49.479 --> 01:09:56.520
being trapped on the water, and
I just didn't connect with it. Yeah.

950
01:09:56.600 --> 01:10:00.680
I think that's you know, like
we were talking about earlier, I

951
01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:03.399
mean with the first film. By
by this point in the first film,

952
01:10:04.119 --> 01:10:10.039
where you know this it's the quest
now you know it's it's it's the three

953
01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:14.479
the three amigos, you know,
And and that's the fun of it is

954
01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:17.760
seeing these three men get bonded together
on this experience and who couldn't be more

955
01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:25.479
different exactly, but bond yep.
Yeah, I mean it's it's really meaningful

956
01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:32.319
when you know they're singing, you
know, they're they're doing their sing along.

957
01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:36.159
And then when Quint has his monologue
about the Indianapolis and stuff and and

958
01:10:36.399 --> 01:10:40.920
and that that makes it matter when
Quin dies and and I think in this

959
01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:44.960
film it's it is a little bit
like you have to imagine that the writers

960
01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:47.319
are like, all right, who
can we kill off? Sure? Yeah,

961
01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:49.880
yeah, right, And I'm sure
some of the thinking was like,

962
01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:51.720
well, we don't want to know, we don't want to kill off that

963
01:10:51.720 --> 01:10:54.840
person because we like them, we
don't and so you're left with like,

964
01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:58.439
okay, well, I guess it's
you know, pick the kid, right,

965
01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:01.600
yeah? Yeah, or or the
woman who Brian doesn't understand. But

966
01:11:02.079 --> 01:11:06.399
and she was the one I was
like really upset over. I was like,

967
01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:11.520
no, she's so nice, right, that's right. I was so

968
01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:19.520
sad. Yeah, I mean you
wonder if they would have considered killing off

969
01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:24.119
Brody in this I yeah, well
I was gonna say when you were talking

970
01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:26.720
about who to pick off, I
mean, you don't want to do one

971
01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:29.960
of his kids. That feels a
little yeah, too close to home or

972
01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:32.119
something, but yeah, him saving
his kids, I could see a version

973
01:11:32.159 --> 01:11:38.800
of that. I mean, given
what the films ended up retroactively doing to

974
01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:42.600
his character, which is just freaking
bullshit and it pisses me off. Wait

975
01:11:42.640 --> 01:11:47.359
what they're like, Oh, like
in between movies, Brody died of a

976
01:11:47.359 --> 01:11:50.920
heart attack because he was terrified of
another sharkcoming. I'm like, okay,

977
01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:56.119
so just like undermine everything that was
accomplished in the first two movies. Then

978
01:11:56.319 --> 01:12:00.039
dude, that is ridiculous. I
didn't know that. Yeah, Like,

979
01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:02.319
I mean, it's one thing to
have him die, but like, oh,

980
01:12:02.319 --> 01:12:04.720
he died because he was scared of
another shark, Like dude, he

981
01:12:04.880 --> 01:12:10.239
screw you, Like yeah, I
mean seriously, you know. And by

982
01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:15.239
the way, like this is I'm
not somebody who like a bad sequel will

983
01:12:15.319 --> 01:12:17.119
ruin a previous movie for me,
I know some people like that. I'm

984
01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:18.960
just like, well, I just
ignore it. It doesn't exist in my

985
01:12:19.039 --> 01:12:23.720
dojo. And it's not like I
need to watch Jaws the Revenge in order

986
01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:28.319
to get my complete Jaws experience,
you know. But definitely, yeah,

987
01:12:28.359 --> 01:12:30.960
like, okay, you know,
Roy Scheider's one hundred percent out. There's

988
01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:38.239
like a million different ways to write
out his character without again actively undermining what

989
01:12:38.319 --> 01:12:42.520
the first two movies are explicitly about, which is him overcoming his fear.

990
01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:46.359
Yeah you know, yeah, or
like I don't know, how many times

991
01:12:46.399 --> 01:12:50.399
can you put up with a town
that gives you so much crap? You

992
01:12:50.439 --> 01:12:55.319
know? Like yeah, yeah,
I mean I guess you don't want him

993
01:12:55.319 --> 01:12:58.560
abandoning people that could use his help, but you find some a little more

994
01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:01.600
heroic. But well, in the
context of of you know, at least

995
01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:05.119
the third film. I mean,
it's you know, Ellen Brody. Oh.

996
01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:09.199
And that's the other thing, right
because because suddenly Lorraine Gary's the main

997
01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:12.039
character, is a problem right there, and it's like her, you know,

998
01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:15.079
she's forming a relationship with Michael Kaine's
character, and nobody wants to see

999
01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:18.840
that, you know, like,
you know, so all these real baffling

1000
01:13:18.880 --> 01:13:23.119
choices. And it's very funny because
early in the film, remember when when

1001
01:13:23.720 --> 01:13:26.960
Brody is talking to that woman who
was sent to sort of look at the

1002
01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:31.199
damage to the orca the killer whale, I mean, and and he's like,

1003
01:13:31.279 --> 01:13:34.560
well, you know, I've heard
that, you know, sharks maybe

1004
01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:40.359
they communicate telepathically, and you know, maybe this one was called by what

1005
01:13:40.439 --> 01:13:44.880
happened before, you know, And
she says, sharks don't take things personally,

1006
01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:50.000
mister Brody, And and in other
words, the movie is itself dispelling

1007
01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:54.800
that. But they actually follow through
on that and the fourth one by giving

1008
01:13:54.960 --> 01:13:59.239
by by saying, oh, somehow
the you know, the Jaws family has

1009
01:13:59.279 --> 01:14:01.720
like a grudge against the Brody family. This is like the Hatfields and the

1010
01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:04.920
McCoy's. Yeah, they have like
a dart board with Brody's picture on it.

1011
01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:11.319
You know it is, you know. Yeah, Now, in the

1012
01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:15.399
novelization of this movie, which was
based more on the earlier draft, the

1013
01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:21.039
Hancock version, they say that the
shark is a female and it's the mate

1014
01:14:21.680 --> 01:14:25.760
of the one from the earlier film. Oh that's interesting. Wait, so

1015
01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:30.680
it's based on an earlier version than
what we Yes, the novelization is based

1016
01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:34.960
on an earlier draft. So yeah, that that includes the idea of Amity

1017
01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:40.520
being kind of, you know,
a town on the outs, and you

1018
01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:44.199
know, I believe it does include
the mafia subplot and all that. Oh

1019
01:14:44.199 --> 01:14:47.039
wow, And I have no idea
how good of a novelization. It's not

1020
01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:53.920
it's not by Benchley. I know
that, but you know, I I

1021
01:14:54.239 --> 01:14:57.439
think that aspect of like, oh, and it's the mate, and I

1022
01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:00.880
don't think you need that, honestly, I think I think I think the

1023
01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:05.039
first movie buys you the license of
somehow another shark ended up here. Yeah,

1024
01:15:05.279 --> 01:15:08.600
it makes sense to me. It
happened once, it can happen again

1025
01:15:08.680 --> 01:15:11.199
again. You do the same thing
a third time. You got a problem,

1026
01:15:11.239 --> 01:15:15.359
but you get two. That must
be weird for Benchley. Right,

1027
01:15:15.359 --> 01:15:18.239
you have this big bestseller, Yeah, and it gets turned into a movie

1028
01:15:18.319 --> 01:15:20.960
and then like a sequel comes out
and then someone's like, I'm gonna write

1029
01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:25.680
the sequel to your book, Like, oh, okay, you know that

1030
01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:30.680
is weird. Yeah, right,
because like like David Morrell who wrote First

1031
01:15:30.680 --> 01:15:34.600
Blood, he did all the novels, the novelizations for the sequels. Did

1032
01:15:34.600 --> 01:15:41.199
he sort of like Game of Thrones, you know, like did he do

1033
01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:44.760
continue what he wanted or did he
then just go all right, well that's

1034
01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:47.600
what the movie is. And I'll
transcribe that to to not he Yeah,

1035
01:15:47.720 --> 01:15:53.800
no, so he well because because
in First Blood he killed off Rambo at

1036
01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:57.439
the end of the book, right, mm hmmm. And so he didn't

1037
01:15:57.439 --> 01:16:00.359
do like a Michael Crichton. I
don't if you remember, like Michael Crichton

1038
01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:05.560
in the Lost World novel he because
in the Jurassic Park novel Ian Malcolm dies,

1039
01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:10.039
right, and then in the Lost
World he's like, oh, actually

1040
01:16:10.119 --> 01:16:15.840
I didn't die because something they kind
of contrive a reason he's alive. I

1041
01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:23.640
think David Morrell just treated his novelizations
as sequels to the movie, okay,

1042
01:16:24.199 --> 01:16:28.640
and just went that way with it. Yeah, but yeah, that's always

1043
01:16:28.680 --> 01:16:33.680
the dilemma, right, Like what
it's like, you know, the the

1044
01:16:33.720 --> 01:16:39.119
movie is the more well known thing, and so at that point the original

1045
01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:44.039
novelist sort of let's go of it. You know, Yeah, that's got

1046
01:16:44.039 --> 01:16:48.840
to be hard. Yeah, that
would be hard. Yeah. So I

1047
01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:57.000
just look, I just pulled up
the novelization. It's the cover says based

1048
01:16:57.039 --> 01:17:00.199
on the screenplay by Howard Sackler and
Dorothy Tristan, Orthy Tristan being the wife

1049
01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:06.920
of John D. Hancock, and
it says inspired by Peter Benchley's Jaws.

1050
01:17:08.560 --> 01:17:12.319
So at the very least Benchley got
some coin from that. I was gonna

1051
01:17:12.319 --> 01:17:14.760
say, yeah, it's nice to
get some royalties. I guess why not

1052
01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:24.399
is that the I don't know what
parts of a ship, but the the

1053
01:17:24.439 --> 01:17:28.279
pole holding the sale? Is that
the thing that's the boat that gets stuck

1054
01:17:29.159 --> 01:17:30.880
that keeps them from getting over to
that island. I was noticing that the

1055
01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:36.640
camera was like, look at this
pole. Oh I didn't. I didn't

1056
01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:41.840
pay attention to that, to be
honest, it looks to me now having

1057
01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:44.239
just watched this last night, it
was sort of like, yeah, yeah,

1058
01:17:44.399 --> 01:17:47.439
you're not foreshad. But setting up
seating, I suppose you could say

1059
01:17:47.640 --> 01:17:53.800
seating there you go. Yeah,
So this after Gary Dubin, he could

1060
01:17:53.880 --> 01:17:59.640
not swim. Oh no, and
so his terror one it imagines is incredibly

1061
01:17:59.680 --> 01:18:02.600
real. He did. You know, it's funny. I noticed him last

1062
01:18:02.640 --> 01:18:05.119
night. I was paying attention to
him swimming, and I was thinking about

1063
01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:09.720
actors. You know, in a
movie, it's like, all right,

1064
01:18:09.800 --> 01:18:13.359
he swims over thrashing through waves to
a boat, you know, but it's

1065
01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:15.840
another thing in real life to be
in the ocean, having to swim as

1066
01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:18.720
scripted on camera. You know.
I was kind of impressed, like,

1067
01:18:18.720 --> 01:18:21.479
oh, he looks like a good
swimmer. So that's funny. Specifically that

1068
01:18:21.560 --> 01:18:26.720
guy that I was admiring his swimming
right here. Yeah, wow, that

1069
01:18:26.760 --> 01:18:30.199
would be scary. So he too. He passed away as well. Twenty

1070
01:18:30.279 --> 01:18:35.159
sixteen, My gosh, bone cancer. A lot of these yeah, it's

1071
01:18:35.399 --> 01:18:41.760
yeah. I mean it feels like
a disproportionate number of these, these kids,

1072
01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:45.640
you know, the kids in this
movie. I mean, yeah,

1073
01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:46.920
that's good. I like to fin
going below the water, like, oh

1074
01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:50.560
boy, I mean, yeah,
you said it earlier. I mean all

1075
01:18:50.560 --> 01:18:54.079
the I keep harping on this.
I don't mean to do that, but

1076
01:18:54.199 --> 01:18:58.239
like where I just don't connect with
these characters. But like the execution of

1077
01:18:58.239 --> 01:19:00.359
all this stuff is pretty good.
You said that earlier, but yeah,

1078
01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:04.600
yeah, I think I think a
Z works approach to the shark stuff all

1079
01:19:04.600 --> 01:19:11.119
works. The it's kind of interesting. There's there's like a POV kind of

1080
01:19:11.119 --> 01:19:15.119
thing where you're not from underwater,
but like from above where you see the

1081
01:19:15.159 --> 01:19:19.760
shark heading towards the boat. If
it's not in this sequence, it's one

1082
01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:25.239
of this this year. And the
way he got that shot it's pretty crazy.

1083
01:19:25.680 --> 01:19:27.800
They were like trying to come up
with a rig or something like that,

1084
01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:30.880
and then they basically, you know
the model that they had with like

1085
01:19:30.920 --> 01:19:36.680
the fin the model shark. They
basically got a somebody to ride the shark

1086
01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:41.520
model with us. They put a
saddle on it, huh, and they

1087
01:19:41.600 --> 01:19:44.319
just pulled the model along in the
water. And so you have somebody with

1088
01:19:44.359 --> 01:19:48.079
a handheld camera just going through.
And I'm like, that's like pretty you

1089
01:19:48.079 --> 01:19:50.359
know, the old school, but
it gets the job done. You know.

1090
01:19:50.880 --> 01:19:55.439
I think it's some clever new visuals
for this. I mean, you

1091
01:19:55.439 --> 01:20:00.680
know, we've you can only show
a fin ominously so off and yeah,

1092
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:03.079
I thought it was good. Well, and that piece right there where Eddie

1093
01:20:03.079 --> 01:20:06.039
he's trying to get back in and
then he gets pulled back under and he

1094
01:20:06.039 --> 01:20:14.680
pulls the wood off. Yeah,
like you talk about instant shorthand of like

1095
01:20:15.159 --> 01:20:18.880
the force with which the shark is
pulling him underwater. Yeah, yeah,

1096
01:20:18.920 --> 01:20:27.439
it's good stuff. She's really good
too. I mean I like the the

1097
01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:32.399
how they calibrated her fear and you
know, reaction to all this stuff.

1098
01:20:32.439 --> 01:20:36.560
Like later we get into some there's
one character who is just like screaming,

1099
01:20:36.600 --> 01:20:39.039
Like if I was Brody, I'd
be like, yeah, please, you

1100
01:20:39.079 --> 01:20:43.680
are not helping. Buta's reaction to
Tina's good. Yeah, yeah, I

1101
01:20:43.920 --> 01:20:45.840
agree with you. Yeah, and
actually I want to you know, we

1102
01:20:45.840 --> 01:20:48.319
were talking about Lorraine Gary and I
was kind of like poking fun at her

1103
01:20:48.399 --> 01:20:51.720
being the lead and Jaws to Revenge, and I still think that's stupid.

1104
01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:56.239
But I think she is good in
this movie. And I think we were

1105
01:20:56.239 --> 01:21:00.880
talking about earlier, like the the
the way she plays off of Schier like

1106
01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:03.880
in this sequence and was I think
it's done well. You know, yeah,

1107
01:21:03.880 --> 01:21:09.239
I agree. I agree. They
do feel like a couple that supports

1108
01:21:09.279 --> 01:21:17.760
one another and another and I like
that. Yeah, yeah, he knows

1109
01:21:17.800 --> 01:21:28.680
what's up, you know. It's
what's interesting also is that you know Jaws

1110
01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:31.920
comes out in nineteen seventy five,
and obviously it redefines what we think of

1111
01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:36.520
as a as a successful movie.
I mean, it events the phrase blockbuster

1112
01:21:38.600 --> 01:21:42.199
nineteen seventy seven, Star Wars comes
out, and that, you know,

1113
01:21:42.479 --> 01:21:47.880
my understanding is that one did okay. When Jaws two comes out, how

1114
01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:57.239
is it perceived in a post Star
Wars world? That is a really good

1115
01:21:57.319 --> 01:22:00.279
question. I mean, it did
well, it did well, but is

1116
01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:04.760
it like but it? I mean
it did well. With an asterisk,

1117
01:22:04.840 --> 01:22:10.119
right, it cost twice as much
to make and it made half as much.

1118
01:22:11.640 --> 01:22:15.640
That's true. I mean I think
it had the biggest It set a

1119
01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:19.199
record for the biggest opening weekend,
sure, which is quaint now. It

1120
01:22:19.239 --> 01:22:25.960
was nine million dollars worldwide. Worldwide
it did one hundred and eighty million.

1121
01:22:26.039 --> 01:22:30.479
Five nights at Freddy's made thirty million
yesterday in a yeah yeah alone, yeah

1122
01:22:30.600 --> 01:22:33.119
exactly, no, But worldwide it
did one hundred and eighty seven million.

1123
01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:41.119
Two. Jaws one worldwide did just
about half a billion. So yes,

1124
01:22:42.560 --> 01:22:45.880
quite a drop, but still a
lot of people showed up, right,

1125
01:22:45.960 --> 01:22:51.279
And and bear in mind, I
mean, yeah, the expectation during that

1126
01:22:51.439 --> 01:22:57.359
era was that a sequel will always
do less than the first one. Sure,

1127
01:22:58.399 --> 01:23:02.520
you know, and and it's only
in recent memory that that that has

1128
01:23:02.640 --> 01:23:06.720
kind of changed. But at the
time this was not a flop. It

1129
01:23:08.279 --> 01:23:11.720
again, objectively, it did very
well. But yeah, I mean,

1130
01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:17.720
you know, it's it's sort of
like you have something that is popular and

1131
01:23:17.760 --> 01:23:23.359
then a new thing comes in,
and then we revisit that older thing,

1132
01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:28.960
like is it thought of as oh
that thing, is it passe? That's

1133
01:23:28.960 --> 01:23:32.399
true, I mean this is real
world terror, right, and then you

1134
01:23:32.439 --> 01:23:36.159
have Star Wars, which is fantastical
and ships and lasers and everything. And

1135
01:23:36.199 --> 01:23:40.840
then and then even Spielberg he's he's
shifting that direction where it's like, yeah,

1136
01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:43.880
we're on Earth, but what if
the fantastical visits Earth? Right?

1137
01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:46.239
And then you look at the eighties, and the eighties is all about fantasy,

1138
01:23:46.359 --> 01:23:50.159
even on you know, grounded like
Back to the Future. You know,

1139
01:23:50.199 --> 01:23:53.840
it takes place on planet Earth,
but it's fantastical. And you know

1140
01:23:54.239 --> 01:23:57.600
et is on Earth, but it's
fantastical. It's I wonder, yeah,

1141
01:23:57.640 --> 01:24:00.000
if like Star Wars, then well, I don't wonder. I mean,

1142
01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:04.560
it's true like Star Wars did just
put people's imaginations into overdrive about the fantastical.

1143
01:24:04.640 --> 01:24:08.399
So yeah, I wonder if kids, you know, I was thinking

1144
01:24:08.399 --> 01:24:10.880
about with the whole third act with
the kids here, if that was like

1145
01:24:10.920 --> 01:24:15.000
a real calculated like, this is
what's going to get teens to for sure

1146
01:24:15.039 --> 01:24:19.880
come see this movie if they see
fellow teens battling a shark. And so

1147
01:24:20.119 --> 01:24:23.720
it seems like it did well,
but not as well as the first one.

1148
01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:27.479
So yeah, I wonder if kids
imaginations had shifted to the stars.

1149
01:24:28.479 --> 01:24:35.159
Yeah, yeah, because because certainly
the late seventies saw a rapid shift in

1150
01:24:35.560 --> 01:24:41.479
that direction post Star Wars. You
know, you get Superman and you know,

1151
01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:45.439
Black Hole, etc. But you
know, I mean again, it

1152
01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:51.560
that whole obviously, that's like kind
of generally even though some of the stuff

1153
01:24:51.600 --> 01:24:55.960
preceded us, that's that's the era
in which we grew up, so that

1154
01:24:55.960 --> 01:25:00.520
stuff feels more connected to me.
But like it was all kind of brand

1155
01:25:00.520 --> 01:25:04.319
new, right, Like we're talking
about a year later Rocky two comes out

1156
01:25:04.399 --> 01:25:10.319
and it's just a mammoth hit.
Yeah, so there was there was an

1157
01:25:10.239 --> 01:25:18.920
appetite for those types of things,
you know, sure, yeah huh yeah,

1158
01:25:19.039 --> 01:25:23.399
So I'm thinking in my mind,
but I should be saying it out

1159
01:25:23.399 --> 01:25:27.239
loud because this is a podcast,
But I mean that's sort of no,

1160
01:25:27.359 --> 01:25:31.239
actually, I want to hear your
thought first. No, I think that

1161
01:25:32.640 --> 01:25:41.399
the thought I have is like Jaws
should not have been the monster hit that

1162
01:25:41.479 --> 01:25:45.960
it was. It just so happened
to be this amazing alchemy. But if

1163
01:25:46.399 --> 01:25:50.239
you objectively look at Jaws and you
say that's going to be the number one

1164
01:25:50.279 --> 01:25:53.760
movie of all time, I mean
that seems odd, don't you think?

1165
01:25:54.239 --> 01:26:00.359
Sure? Yeah, right now?
Now see, I think her perform Orman's

1166
01:26:00.399 --> 01:26:02.359
here. It's funny because some people
mock it, but I actually think the

1167
01:26:02.399 --> 01:26:05.279
way she's like, I think it
works for me. I don't know.

1168
01:26:05.800 --> 01:26:09.880
No, I love this, That's
what I'm saying. I really like her.

1169
01:26:09.920 --> 01:26:13.720
It's the other well, I guess
this shark thing is kind of could

1170
01:26:13.720 --> 01:26:17.319
be kind of like funny, but
but no, her her, she's like

1171
01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:23.319
shaken, she's haunted. I like
it. It's it's when people start getting

1172
01:26:23.359 --> 01:26:26.760
shrieky later where I'm like, you're
like, all right, shut the hell

1173
01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:29.279
up, or I'm going to shove
you in the water. Yeah, yeah,

1174
01:26:29.319 --> 01:26:30.920
well you know, but she's doing
her job. I'm sure she was

1175
01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:33.479
asked to. I was thinking about
this last night, like this actress was

1176
01:26:33.520 --> 01:26:38.119
told to do this, she did
it. But I think the director put

1177
01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:40.479
a little too much of it or
lingered on it a little too long,

1178
01:26:40.479 --> 01:26:43.640
and it starts to get almost like
comical, where it's like that woman an

1179
01:26:43.640 --> 01:26:45.159
airplane where you want to shake her
a little bit and be like, God's

1180
01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:51.399
right. But Tina here, I
think is doing I like it. I

1181
01:26:53.479 --> 01:26:58.479
this hits for me. And this
is funny too. I mean, this

1182
01:26:58.520 --> 01:27:00.720
is where you leave your other characters
like all right by like this is my

1183
01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:04.800
movie's right, which I guess is
kind of an argument right that they had,

1184
01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:14.479
right Sheinberg wanted her to go with. Yeah, and and thank goodness

1185
01:27:14.600 --> 01:27:19.680
he lost that argument. Yeah,
I think just it, you know,

1186
01:27:20.479 --> 01:27:25.680
makes sense economy wise. Yeah,
I mean, I mean again, we're

1187
01:27:25.680 --> 01:27:31.159
talking about differentiating it from the first
one, making making making it. Brodie

1188
01:27:31.439 --> 01:27:38.000
has to has to do this on
his own, Yeah, because you kind

1189
01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:42.640
of wonder, like, what what
was Hooper's role in the initial you know,

1190
01:27:42.680 --> 01:27:46.800
because they had to rewrite it without
Hooper, you know, and they

1191
01:27:46.880 --> 01:27:49.039
kind of do the thing like,
oh, Hooper is you know, off

1192
01:27:49.079 --> 01:27:53.920
off on a boat somewhere or whatever. Yeah. But and you know what's

1193
01:27:53.920 --> 01:27:57.279
funny is we we talked about this
before. I remember when we talked when

1194
01:27:57.319 --> 01:28:01.399
we did the Lost World and how
you know it focuses on on Ian Malcolm

1195
01:28:01.399 --> 01:28:06.199
And I said, it's that's the
equivalent of doing Jaws too about Matt Hooper,

1196
01:28:08.520 --> 01:28:11.159
and I said it Then I say, now I would still watch that

1197
01:28:11.239 --> 01:28:13.640
movie. Like if if you were
going to do a Jaws three, that's

1198
01:28:13.680 --> 01:28:16.720
the Jaws three you should have done. Yeah. I agree, different setting

1199
01:28:17.279 --> 01:28:20.039
character. You know, we know
he's been through something and how we see

1200
01:28:20.079 --> 01:28:25.319
him react now, yeah, yeah, And I think people would have turned

1201
01:28:25.359 --> 01:28:29.600
up for that. So I think
they really miscalculated the notion of like,

1202
01:28:29.680 --> 01:28:32.000
oh, Roy Scheider's got none of
the actors are the same, but oh

1203
01:28:32.079 --> 01:28:42.039
boy, them Brody's mm hmm,
them Brody boys. You know. Yeah,

1204
01:28:42.840 --> 01:28:45.119
you know, I know this movie's
forty five years old. Jaws is

1205
01:28:45.119 --> 01:28:48.520
even older. But I'm still really
impressed with the mechanical shark. Yeah,

1206
01:28:48.680 --> 01:28:54.479
just how they're able to like in
real ocean water. I mean, how

1207
01:28:54.520 --> 01:28:59.159
are they some sort of rig below
ground making it move the way the way

1208
01:28:59.279 --> 01:29:02.840
they it does. I it just
feels like a headache. Yeah, and

1209
01:29:03.079 --> 01:29:06.479
they were having a lot of the
same issues because the shark, for you

1210
01:29:06.560 --> 01:29:10.600
know, there are a couple of
different models, but uh, the one

1211
01:29:10.680 --> 01:29:15.880
you know, the the robot shark
that they built was built on the chassis

1212
01:29:15.920 --> 01:29:19.439
of the one the Bruce you know, from the first one, and kind

1213
01:29:19.439 --> 01:29:27.279
of same issues. And and yet
despite that, I think there's there's enough

1214
01:29:27.319 --> 01:29:29.960
of a difference in the staging and
some of these sequences. Actually this thing

1215
01:29:29.960 --> 01:29:30.960
here with Mike and how they're trying
to get them out of the water,

1216
01:29:31.119 --> 01:29:38.600
I really like that. The in
terms of attention. Yeah, again,

1217
01:29:38.800 --> 01:29:43.359
the the what I going back to
what I was saying earlier, are they

1218
01:29:43.439 --> 01:29:49.560
avoid some of the tropes of like
your Camp Crystal Lake type movies where the

1219
01:29:49.640 --> 01:29:56.600
kids are just douchebags. Yeah,
Yeah, that's a good point. I

1220
01:29:56.720 --> 01:29:59.079
like that. The Yeah, going
back to what you're saying about the Mayor

1221
01:29:59.159 --> 01:30:01.239
Son too, It's like sometimes in
a movie, Oh, we were talking

1222
01:30:01.239 --> 01:30:03.920
about this with in the Line of
Fire, where it's like you have those

1223
01:30:04.000 --> 01:30:08.479
hunters, yes, who are set
up to be killed, so you've got

1224
01:30:08.520 --> 01:30:10.560
to give them some sort of trait
where you're like, yeah, I don't

1225
01:30:10.560 --> 01:30:14.079
really like that guy, And I
kind of appreciate that they didn't do that.

1226
01:30:14.119 --> 01:30:16.760
There's something a little more because then
in that way we might be rooting

1227
01:30:16.920 --> 01:30:20.359
to see, well, we can
let that kid get eaten exactly. But

1228
01:30:20.399 --> 01:30:23.640
that's not what these movies are.
It's like, we don't want anyone to

1229
01:30:23.680 --> 01:30:29.520
get eaten. Yeah, I mean
we always talk about right, like how

1230
01:30:29.640 --> 01:30:35.279
much like Lee Fierro makes Missus Kentner
feel like a real person. Yeah,

1231
01:30:35.399 --> 01:30:39.680
yeah, right, and we feel
her grief. I mean, you know,

1232
01:30:41.800 --> 01:30:45.520
almost fifty years later, we still
watch that sequence and it makes your

1233
01:30:45.520 --> 01:30:48.119
heart ache, you know, yep, and again because it's just a little

1234
01:30:48.119 --> 01:30:54.239
boy didn't ask for it. And
so that sense of if it tips over

1235
01:30:54.399 --> 01:31:00.279
into wanting characters to become shark food, you sort of lose sight of what

1236
01:31:00.399 --> 01:31:04.880
makes a story like this effective.
Mm hmmmm hm. This the Marge,

1237
01:31:04.920 --> 01:31:10.039
the one who's with Sean. That's
the one who who gets picked off later.

1238
01:31:13.159 --> 01:31:15.960
And that's kind of interesting. I
mean it is antithetical, like you're

1239
01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:18.840
saying to like these Friday the Thirteenth
movies where it's like the nicest person gets

1240
01:31:18.840 --> 01:31:23.439
picked off, you know, like
yeah, like she didn't commit any sin,

1241
01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:28.039
you know, like she's not mean
to anyone. And and I really

1242
01:31:28.119 --> 01:31:30.720
I didn't remember at all that she
got eaten, and last night I was

1243
01:31:30.760 --> 01:31:35.159
like really sad. I was like, no, not her, Well,

1244
01:31:35.199 --> 01:31:40.000
this whole bit here where they're trying
to tie the tugs together and do all

1245
01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:42.640
that. I mean again, going
back to what you were talking about earlier,

1246
01:31:42.720 --> 01:31:44.800
right, yeah, well they got
boat culture here. These are people

1247
01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:49.279
who are familiar with the ocean they
you know, and it's a unique way

1248
01:31:48.960 --> 01:31:58.720
of ramping up the tension. Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah,

1249
01:31:58.760 --> 01:32:00.760
it's unique. It's I mean,
you got to give them that, Like,

1250
01:32:01.039 --> 01:32:05.720
that's what I'm saying, Like they
didn't try to replicate set pieces but

1251
01:32:05.840 --> 01:32:10.840
change one component, you know,
like this is this is a different movie,

1252
01:32:10.840 --> 01:32:15.399
and I kind of appreciate that.
That is always the challenge, right,

1253
01:32:15.439 --> 01:32:16.800
Like again, it's going back to
what we were saying, right,

1254
01:32:16.840 --> 01:32:21.840
Like, like Gremlins two, which
is my understanding, is a pretty polarizing

1255
01:32:21.840 --> 01:32:27.399
sequel. I never thought of it
as a polarizing sequel because what I liked

1256
01:32:27.439 --> 01:32:31.720
about it growing up was like,
man, it's totally different. Yeah,

1257
01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:35.800
you know, and and when you
think about it, like another Gremlins two

1258
01:32:35.840 --> 01:32:41.640
in Kingston Falls, like you know, I mean, maybe I am you

1259
01:32:41.640 --> 01:32:45.520
could have made it work. I'm
sure. Yeah, it's just another chance

1260
01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:47.359
to do the same thing but go
bigger. And it's like, well,

1261
01:32:47.439 --> 01:32:50.199
you may as well, try something
different, try something different, right,

1262
01:32:50.239 --> 01:32:55.119
and and you know it's the same
thing back to Future Too. Right,

1263
01:32:55.199 --> 01:32:58.159
It's that. I mean, you
know they had those conversations how much of

1264
01:32:58.199 --> 01:33:00.520
it do we keep? How much? What do what are the beats we

1265
01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:02.199
play again? What don't we?
I mean because because Back to the Future

1266
01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:06.920
Too is like it's like an algorithmically
decided. You know, they went in

1267
01:33:06.960 --> 01:33:12.760
and tried to try to come up
with an equation for that movie. Yeah,

1268
01:33:13.199 --> 01:33:16.359
this percent, knew this percent,
same, this percent repeat. You

1269
01:33:16.399 --> 01:33:23.279
know. Well, it's funny because
the original script was almost a repeat of

1270
01:33:23.319 --> 01:33:25.720
the first movie, you know,
where it's like Marty goes back to the

1271
01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:30.359
sixties when his parents are dating and
once again has to get them back together.

1272
01:33:32.319 --> 01:33:38.319
And you know, you can understand
why that was considered because that does

1273
01:33:38.359 --> 01:33:41.760
feel like, okay, well let's
take the things people like from the first

1274
01:33:41.800 --> 01:33:45.119
one. But I love how what
we ended up with. I mean,

1275
01:33:45.159 --> 01:33:48.600
it's a wacky idea, right where
we do get a whole different plot at

1276
01:33:48.600 --> 01:33:51.560
the beginning, but that plot screws
up the first movie, so you have

1277
01:33:51.560 --> 01:33:56.399
to fix the first movie. I
mean, it's pretty ingenious and I think

1278
01:33:56.720 --> 01:34:00.000
how many times in the past five
years alone, have we said, oh,

1279
01:34:00.039 --> 01:34:01.720
oh, it's like back to the
future too, Like so many movies

1280
01:34:01.800 --> 01:34:08.600
lately have been sort of, you
know, inspired by that idea in their

1281
01:34:08.600 --> 01:34:13.680
secres. Yeah, right, you
know the Avengers Endgame and I remember Happy

1282
01:34:13.720 --> 01:34:15.319
Death Day to even like calls it
out like, wow, we're just living

1283
01:34:15.359 --> 01:34:20.800
back to the future too, you
know, like, yeah, I mean

1284
01:34:20.840 --> 01:34:25.640
I I think that. Oh.
By the way, this the helicopter sequence.

1285
01:34:25.960 --> 01:34:29.840
I love this. It's it's original, it's different. Yeah, I

1286
01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:32.680
love it. Yeah, I agree. He's got like the Gary Kurtz beard

1287
01:34:32.760 --> 01:34:36.199
going on too, which I was
like, when was that ever something that

1288
01:34:36.239 --> 01:34:40.720
someone like looked at themselves and went, yeah, this will do and that's

1289
01:34:40.760 --> 01:34:44.279
the ticket. Yeah, it's kind
of an interesting basically for people can't see

1290
01:34:44.279 --> 01:34:47.279
it. It's like it's a beard, but the mustache part is shaved off,

1291
01:34:47.279 --> 01:34:49.239
so it's just sort of like a
chin strap. I guess you'd say

1292
01:34:49.239 --> 01:34:54.000
it's like an Abe Lincoln kind of
thing. Yeah. Actually, you know,

1293
01:34:54.159 --> 01:35:00.000
he really rocked that, didn't he, Uh Lincoln? He wrote Lincoln.

1294
01:35:00.359 --> 01:35:01.560
Yeah, I mean he really did, because I don't think I've seen

1295
01:35:01.600 --> 01:35:08.159
it on anyone else and thought nice, but but Lincoln, Lincoln I'm like,

1296
01:35:08.279 --> 01:35:12.640
yeah, no, he looks he
looks good. And by extension,

1297
01:35:12.720 --> 01:35:21.119
Daniel day Lewis, Yes, yeah. Now Worth Mansion and Siskel and Ebert

1298
01:35:21.239 --> 01:35:27.199
were not big fans of this movie. What did they say? They just

1299
01:35:27.239 --> 01:35:30.239
they said, oh, it's just
nonsense, you know, you know,

1300
01:35:31.159 --> 01:35:35.319
And I can actually appreciate that take
on this. But I think with forty

1301
01:35:35.359 --> 01:35:42.640
five years and seeing what sequels have
too often become, I think I can

1302
01:35:42.680 --> 01:35:46.279
look at this with a historical,
you know, appreciation and go, oh,

1303
01:35:46.319 --> 01:35:49.319
well, at least they tried something
different. And I do think,

1304
01:35:49.359 --> 01:35:54.279
like I said earlier, I think
it's it's good filmmaking, you know,

1305
01:35:54.359 --> 01:35:57.640
like maybe the characters don't hit like
the first one and whatnot, but like

1306
01:35:57.680 --> 01:36:02.520
it's it's at least they try,
you know well. And and I I

1307
01:36:02.560 --> 01:36:11.960
think that, especially during that that
period, it's to me what struck me

1308
01:36:12.199 --> 01:36:18.039
is like they at that point right
away recognize that the first Jaws is this

1309
01:36:18.199 --> 01:36:23.840
really impressive movie, right Like,
that's not a movie that sort of came

1310
01:36:23.880 --> 01:36:28.000
into its reputation. It pretty much
came out and everybody who's like, this

1311
01:36:28.159 --> 01:36:30.640
is one of the greatest movies ever
made, right right, And and that's

1312
01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:35.520
a reputation that has stuck, which
is pretty remarkable and you think about it,

1313
01:36:34.119 --> 01:36:39.520
yeah these years later, Yeah,
I think so. But but like

1314
01:36:39.840 --> 01:36:42.359
a sequence like this, well we
don't. Again, we're talking about something

1315
01:36:42.359 --> 01:36:45.399
different from the first film. There's
nothing like that. And and yet I

1316
01:36:45.479 --> 01:36:48.800
love the tension here because as a
viewer you're like, well, something's going

1317
01:36:48.880 --> 01:36:55.760
to happen. Yeah, You're like, there's half an hour left, and

1318
01:36:55.760 --> 01:37:00.600
and the way in which to me
this is like you know when the t

1319
01:37:00.800 --> 01:37:04.119
Rex is about to show up in
Jurassic Park and you're like, turn the

1320
01:37:04.159 --> 01:37:09.279
light off, turn the light off, you know, yeah, because the

1321
01:37:09.920 --> 01:37:14.119
blades start spinning whatever, and it's
like it's drawn to the rhythmic right the

1322
01:37:15.640 --> 01:37:19.279
It's like a sandworm from Dune basic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well

1323
01:37:19.319 --> 01:37:24.640
this is great. Look at that. I mean, the helicopters pulled under,

1324
01:37:25.119 --> 01:37:28.439
the blades come off, I mean, it's goddamn terrifying. Well,

1325
01:37:28.439 --> 01:37:30.520
and it's cool too, because the
yeah, the blades are are are then

1326
01:37:30.720 --> 01:37:34.880
now broken and flinging at the kids
and ruining their sails. Like it's like

1327
01:37:34.960 --> 01:37:43.159
the danger of the entire situation is
really uh well realized. Yeah, I

1328
01:37:43.159 --> 01:37:45.840
mean you almost wish like they would
have had somebody get taken out by one

1329
01:37:45.880 --> 01:37:48.960
of those those blades. Yeah,
are injured or something like get like a

1330
01:37:49.039 --> 01:37:53.239
yeah, shrapnel in their leg.
Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, that's

1331
01:37:53.399 --> 01:37:58.479
yeah. I agree, that would
have been good. I guess that was

1332
01:37:58.520 --> 01:38:02.039
a real helicopter pilot too, and
he did the whole stunt with the thing

1333
01:38:02.079 --> 01:38:05.640
going underwater, and they just gave
him an oxygen tank and said a little

1334
01:38:05.680 --> 01:38:10.119
prayer and said action. Well.
I love that they came up with this

1335
01:38:10.239 --> 01:38:13.079
idea like, oh, we got
to have the shark like pull a helicopter

1336
01:38:13.479 --> 01:38:16.560
underwater. Yeah, and then they
had to sort of reverse engineer a story

1337
01:38:16.640 --> 01:38:21.279
reason and a real world application like
how would that work? How how do

1338
01:38:21.359 --> 01:38:26.159
we end up with a helicopter getting
pulled underwater? You know? Yeah?

1339
01:38:26.199 --> 01:38:28.479
And they did it in the way
we were like, no, that tracks,

1340
01:38:28.640 --> 01:38:32.159
you know yeah, yeah, And
you're right. I mean the tension's

1341
01:38:32.199 --> 01:38:35.359
really good because it's compelling, Like
I was wondering what he's going to do.

1342
01:38:36.119 --> 01:38:38.960
So it's like, oh, well, they attach a rope and he's

1343
01:38:38.960 --> 01:38:41.600
just gonna Wow, he's gonna pull
them. Interesting And so you see every

1344
01:38:41.640 --> 01:38:44.680
step of it, throwing the rope, attaching the rope, turning the key

1345
01:38:44.720 --> 01:38:46.359
and it really yeah, and you
know, something bad's gonna happen. And

1346
01:38:46.600 --> 01:38:47.840
yeah, I don't know about you, but I'm like, come on,

1347
01:38:47.960 --> 01:38:50.319
come on, come on, come
on. Yeah, yeah, let's go

1348
01:38:54.279 --> 01:38:59.319
now. Definitely watching this, you
know, with Sean and just this trauma

1349
01:38:59.399 --> 01:39:01.439
that he's dealing with. I can't
help but think of that cute little boy

1350
01:39:01.479 --> 01:39:05.159
in the first movie, h and
be like, man, that kid's in

1351
01:39:05.239 --> 01:39:10.079
for some serious therapy, you know, like yeah, in terms of the

1352
01:39:10.159 --> 01:39:12.319
character, you know, it's a
cute little boy and he's doing the little

1353
01:39:12.359 --> 01:39:15.880
thing with his hands and stuff.
And then you're like, one movie later,

1354
01:39:15.079 --> 01:39:23.600
he like several near death experiences.
I know, I know. And

1355
01:39:23.840 --> 01:39:28.279
is he the one that becomes Dennis
Quaid. No, that's Michael okay,

1356
01:39:29.319 --> 01:39:33.079
but Sean. Sean dies in the
fourth one. Mm. Fun. But

1357
01:39:33.239 --> 01:39:35.600
again, like I told you,
we're by the fourth one, we're in

1358
01:39:35.760 --> 01:39:41.159
like the the into the Jaws verse
because that the fourth one ignores the third

1359
01:39:41.199 --> 01:39:46.720
one. Oh I don't know.
So this is not a recent phenomenon of

1360
01:39:46.840 --> 01:39:51.520
sequels ignoring prior sequels. Yeah,
yeah, it's been going on for a

1361
01:39:51.600 --> 01:39:59.960
while. Yeah. Well, and
then sadly, my my person just died.

1362
01:40:00.560 --> 01:40:04.800
The person who was nice. I
can't keep track of all the names,

1363
01:40:04.840 --> 01:40:09.279
but yeah, the boys, I
think her name was Marge, Marge,

1364
01:40:10.399 --> 01:40:15.159
Marge, Martha Marg swa Tech.
I'm curious if she did anything else

1365
01:40:15.279 --> 01:40:19.439
other than this movie, just because
we're sort of tracking the careers of these

1366
01:40:20.439 --> 01:40:29.520
Jaws two kids. Yeah, well
she's still around. It says, yeah,

1367
01:40:29.640 --> 01:40:32.279
she's you know, she occasionally shows
up for like the Hollywood Show and

1368
01:40:32.359 --> 01:40:36.680
does you know signings and stuff.
Great, perfect, Yeah, I'm looking,

1369
01:40:38.000 --> 01:40:41.159
I'm looking at a think. It
says this is from twenty seventeen.

1370
01:40:41.199 --> 01:40:43.479
It says, Martha Swattech, best
known for a role in Jaws two,

1371
01:40:43.680 --> 01:40:46.479
will be appearing in person at the
Hollywood Show, so you can, you

1372
01:40:46.560 --> 01:40:48.600
know, meet her and get autographs. And I was thinking, like,

1373
01:40:49.920 --> 01:40:55.640
I think that's nice that, like
you have this person who you know,

1374
01:40:56.279 --> 01:41:00.760
she did this role in this one
movie, and you know, forty years

1375
01:41:00.840 --> 01:41:02.920
later people want to come and talk
to her about that one movie. Shot.

1376
01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:06.079
Like, I think, I think
that's nice. Personally, I one

1377
01:41:06.159 --> 01:41:11.399
hundred percent agree. And I feel
I don't know a lot about those shows,

1378
01:41:11.439 --> 01:41:15.800
but I feel like I'm seeing more
of them, or at least noticing

1379
01:41:15.880 --> 01:41:19.119
more people in my orbit attending them, and I love that. I love

1380
01:41:19.159 --> 01:41:21.880
that there's this opportunity for these people
to, like you say, I mean,

1381
01:41:21.880 --> 01:41:25.880
they still get to go out and
connect with the people real quick,

1382
01:41:25.880 --> 01:41:29.239
real quck. Hold on. When
he's like yelling at him, were you

1383
01:41:29.399 --> 01:41:32.800
like, dude, relax, dude. Yes, he's like yelling and swearing

1384
01:41:32.840 --> 01:41:35.560
at this poor little kid, and
I was just like, I sort of

1385
01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:39.239
get he's he's he's sort of doing
like a tough love thing, like he's

1386
01:41:39.279 --> 01:41:44.000
trying exactly. You get that later, yes, but I was just like

1387
01:41:44.359 --> 01:41:46.840
I would not respond to that personally. I like, I don't want to

1388
01:41:46.840 --> 01:41:49.920
go on the boat with that guy. He's like, I'm gonna break your

1389
01:41:49.960 --> 01:41:53.800
ass. It's like he's a little
kid. Dude. Yeah. It's funny

1390
01:41:53.840 --> 01:41:56.359
because then when the kid gets over
there, he's like, oh, you're

1391
01:41:56.399 --> 01:41:58.720
safe now, and he's like kissing
his head like moleman, you know.

1392
01:41:58.840 --> 01:42:05.760
And I was just like, I
was like, huh, I had that

1393
01:42:05.880 --> 01:42:09.319
exactly action. Anyway, Sorry,
you're talking about the Hollywood sh I'm glad

1394
01:42:09.319 --> 01:42:14.039
you brought that up because I was
thinking that last night. But I think

1395
01:42:14.079 --> 01:42:16.520
the kid's doing a good job by
the way his acting. You know it

1396
01:42:16.600 --> 01:42:23.640
makes sense. I mean he's traumatized. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But

1397
01:42:23.760 --> 01:42:25.439
no, no, no, I'm
just saying that I love that there's the

1398
01:42:25.479 --> 01:42:28.520
opportunity for the actors and it's like
nice income. They still get to,

1399
01:42:29.239 --> 01:42:32.439
you know, profit off of something
they did that people still love. I

1400
01:42:32.479 --> 01:42:35.920
think it's cool. Yeah, I
think I mentioned you know, a couple

1401
01:42:35.960 --> 01:42:41.600
of years ago, I was at
the Silicon Valley Cohn and Tony Dow who

1402
01:42:41.720 --> 01:42:45.399
has now passed away, but Tony
Dow and Jerry Mathers were there. Wow,

1403
01:42:45.720 --> 01:42:47.720
it'd be surreal to me. Yeah. Well, and it was like,

1404
01:42:47.880 --> 01:42:49.680
you know, there wasn't like a
huge line. There were a few

1405
01:42:49.680 --> 01:42:53.600
people talking to them. And on
the one hand, you're like, it's

1406
01:42:53.680 --> 01:42:56.399
kind of sad that there'sn't a big
line, But then they're like, well

1407
01:42:56.439 --> 01:43:00.720
why would there be, right as
time marches on? Yeah, right,

1408
01:43:00.000 --> 01:43:02.880
but there's still people there, right, So like that's that was my thought,

1409
01:43:02.960 --> 01:43:04.880
Like just turning it around. It's
like, you know, however,

1410
01:43:04.960 --> 01:43:09.039
many decades later, there's still people
who are interested to talk to you.

1411
01:43:10.560 --> 01:43:14.920
You know, nobody's lining up to
talk to me. I know that s

1412
01:43:15.840 --> 01:43:17.880
so, you know, I think
that's that's just nice to be able to

1413
01:43:17.920 --> 01:43:23.039
have that ability. You know.
Yeah, if I met Tony Dow,

1414
01:43:23.079 --> 01:43:26.119
I'd be like, could you say
to me stop giving me the business?

1415
01:43:28.960 --> 01:43:30.239
If I met Tony Dow, I'd
be like, can you tell me the

1416
01:43:30.319 --> 01:43:35.880
secret of overcoming death? That would
be my question. It was because he's

1417
01:43:35.920 --> 01:43:41.119
gone, he's not surrounding oh right
right. I was like maybe some b

1418
01:43:41.239 --> 01:43:49.760
horror movie he was in or something
that clearly clearly you've mastered. You always

1419
01:43:49.840 --> 01:43:53.000
to say that, like, come
on, beef, stop giving me the

1420
01:43:53.119 --> 01:44:00.640
business. Stop giving me the business. Yeah, I didn't. This moment

1421
01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:04.439
like her her little prayer, and
we get the kids like this this shot

1422
01:44:04.479 --> 01:44:08.239
here, then we can cut to
this wide shot where they're all like it

1423
01:44:08.279 --> 01:44:12.399
looks very hopeless. Yeah, you
know, and just well they got this

1424
01:44:12.800 --> 01:44:17.560
jury rigged kind of thing together and
things aren't looking good well, and and

1425
01:44:17.760 --> 01:44:24.319
the the whole power Juncture Island thing
as a plot conceit, I think it's

1426
01:44:24.399 --> 01:44:28.800
effective, but also just the on
a behind the scenes level, the work

1427
01:44:28.880 --> 01:44:32.800
that went into creating that thing.
Yeah, as bananas, I was reading

1428
01:44:32.800 --> 01:44:40.479
about how excuse me, like it
was like all these different pieces of you

1429
01:44:40.560 --> 01:44:45.119
know, fabricated material put together and
they had to be anchored to the bottom,

1430
01:44:45.199 --> 01:44:48.279
and I'm like, what an absolute
nightmare because apparently they didn't anchor it

1431
01:44:48.359 --> 01:44:51.720
properly and half of it just started
floating out to Cuba or whatever. Because

1432
01:44:51.760 --> 01:44:56.159
this is like Florida where they were
shooting all this stuff, right right,

1433
01:44:56.279 --> 01:44:59.720
I'm like, what a nightmare?
Cheese you know, yeah, you would

1434
01:44:59.760 --> 01:45:02.000
have no idea. I mean it
looks real to me. Yeah, yeah,

1435
01:45:02.199 --> 01:45:06.039
I think so. But I mean
just think about the executing all of

1436
01:45:06.119 --> 01:45:12.039
this. I mean, I think
about this. We know how hard it

1437
01:45:12.119 --> 01:45:14.399
was on Spielberg with the first one, but I mean you've got all these

1438
01:45:14.520 --> 01:45:17.680
kids and they're on like four or
five different boats, and they need to

1439
01:45:17.720 --> 01:45:21.800
be a certain distance from each other, but then they pull themselves toward one

1440
01:45:21.840 --> 01:45:26.760
another really quick. Hold on this
moment here again. I actually really like

1441
01:45:26.840 --> 01:45:33.960
this moment where it's you know,
Brody, he's understanding everything that's happened.

1442
01:45:34.119 --> 01:45:39.199
He knows Sean is there, and
how the son is like I'm sorry,

1443
01:45:39.520 --> 01:45:42.479
right yeah, and he's like,
no, no, it's fine, right,

1444
01:45:42.600 --> 01:45:46.439
and it's this great like family moment, and it really solidifies the kind

1445
01:45:46.520 --> 01:45:51.760
of father Brody is. I'm glad
you pointed that out because that stuck out

1446
01:45:51.760 --> 01:45:55.840
to me last night too. It's
funny you're pointing out all the things that

1447
01:45:55.920 --> 01:46:00.199
I remember stopping and thinking about in
my mind because I appreciated that is like

1448
01:46:00.279 --> 01:46:02.159
a father moment, like you're saying, you know, or it's like,

1449
01:46:02.399 --> 01:46:04.680
yeah, look, we're in the
thick of this. There's no point in

1450
01:46:04.720 --> 01:46:08.800
being like, how dare you sneak
out? You know? Yes, exactly.

1451
01:46:08.960 --> 01:46:11.800
Like the kid is apologetic, but
he's just like it's fine, like

1452
01:46:12.560 --> 01:46:15.439
let's go like, let's let's let's
fix this. Yeah, exactly. Love

1453
01:46:15.479 --> 01:46:18.640
that. Yeah. So again,
sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.

1454
01:46:19.119 --> 01:46:24.199
No, but I mean just the
the technical aspect of like all these

1455
01:46:24.279 --> 01:46:27.319
boats and they're in the water and
they're far apart, so the kids pull

1456
01:46:27.359 --> 01:46:30.000
them together. But then you go
cut and you have to reset it,

1457
01:46:30.119 --> 01:46:32.319
not do the rope and pull the
boats back on a certain distance, get

1458
01:46:32.359 --> 01:46:36.119
them in the frame of the camera, and you have real waves, you

1459
01:46:36.239 --> 01:46:41.319
know, knocking you about. I
mean, this just feels exhausting executing all

1460
01:46:41.359 --> 01:46:47.640
this. It's impressive. I think
it is. Yeah, and and uh,

1461
01:46:48.880 --> 01:46:55.600
this work has the misfortune of not
being Steven Spielberg. Uh and yet

1462
01:46:56.039 --> 01:47:00.239
I think objectively, you say he
did a good job of pulling the all

1463
01:47:00.279 --> 01:47:05.279
together, I think so. Yeah, yeah, I means as a whole

1464
01:47:05.319 --> 01:47:11.000
piece. Obviously it's not the masterpiece
that the first one is, and that

1465
01:47:11.119 --> 01:47:13.880
sounded like it was a nightmare to
execute, even for for Spielberg. But

1466
01:47:14.479 --> 01:47:15.600
in this one, I mean you
you really have to admire. I mean,

1467
01:47:15.840 --> 01:47:19.079
I think it's all the story stuff
for me that I'm sort of like

1468
01:47:19.399 --> 01:47:25.039
hit or miss on. But it's
the execution I think feels like a thought

1469
01:47:25.119 --> 01:47:32.199
out movie. I agree with that. Yeah. So the the the actor

1470
01:47:32.239 --> 01:47:35.920
who plays that, that Steven Spielberg
looking guy, Keith Gordon is his name,

1471
01:47:35.960 --> 01:47:42.199
And yeah, he went on to
become a director, oh up to

1472
01:47:42.439 --> 01:47:45.479
and you know, just the last
few years, like he's directed episodes of

1473
01:47:46.079 --> 01:47:50.199
Fargo, the TV show Fargo.
Oh those are great. Yeah, better

1474
01:47:50.279 --> 01:47:55.039
call Saul. He did he did
Legion, the TV Homeland. He's directed,

1475
01:47:55.079 --> 01:47:59.399
so he's doing all right, Keith
go so he's got like those are

1476
01:47:59.439 --> 01:48:01.720
all show that I would say,
you know, you actually think about how

1477
01:48:01.760 --> 01:48:05.720
great the direction is, So that's
amazing. Yeah, exactly, Yeah,

1478
01:48:12.920 --> 01:48:16.319
I wonder I would love to see
it behind the scenes image of this and

1479
01:48:16.479 --> 01:48:20.439
see how far away from land they
are. Oh, that's a good point.

1480
01:48:20.560 --> 01:48:24.159
I mean they do a good good
job of you know, you can

1481
01:48:24.199 --> 01:48:26.960
point a camera in one direction and
see nothing but horizon and you're like,

1482
01:48:26.960 --> 01:48:28.560
oh, they're out there in the
middle of nowhere. But I mean,

1483
01:48:29.359 --> 01:48:30.960
how far did they have to be
shuttled out? You know, You've got

1484
01:48:31.079 --> 01:48:35.520
like you say, you got this
fake island out there, Like how big

1485
01:48:35.720 --> 01:48:43.159
is the rig beneath it connecting to
whatever it's connected to? Yeah, kind

1486
01:48:43.199 --> 01:48:45.680
of curious to see all. Now, this was all shot off of the

1487
01:48:45.760 --> 01:48:53.520
coast of Florida versus the first film, which is all off of Martha's vineyard,

1488
01:48:54.199 --> 01:48:59.319
right, and so I wonder if
that helped in terms of the sort

1489
01:48:59.359 --> 01:49:01.960
of the topography of the region.
Yeah, I wonder. I know that

1490
01:49:02.039 --> 01:49:10.239
they shot this during like winter,
yeah I read that. Yeah, Like

1491
01:49:10.359 --> 01:49:15.319
they shot through like up to Christmas
basically, and so they were like the

1492
01:49:15.439 --> 01:49:20.920
actors were putting ice ice in their
mouth so that they wouldn't breathe, Like

1493
01:49:21.239 --> 01:49:27.279
you couldn't see them breathing the you
know, when you breathe out what do

1494
01:49:27.319 --> 01:49:29.640
you call it? When you see
the just see your breath, Yeah,

1495
01:49:30.039 --> 01:49:32.199
the frosty seeing the frost coming in
her Yeah, Yeah, you know,

1496
01:49:32.359 --> 01:49:36.399
that's such a funny trick. My
friend who's an ad she was telling me

1497
01:49:36.439 --> 01:49:42.520
about that, like shooting shows and
you know, late into the night and

1498
01:49:42.560 --> 01:49:44.800
they have to put ice cubes and
the actors have to put ice cubes in

1499
01:49:44.840 --> 01:49:46.960
their mouth for that. It's wild
to me that it's just such a funny,

1500
01:49:47.039 --> 01:49:58.079
low fi trick, you know,
right. So Roy Scheider really like

1501
01:49:58.239 --> 01:50:01.079
Tanning, didn't he? Yeah,
yeah, that's what I hear. He's

1502
01:50:01.159 --> 01:50:06.600
got this sort of leathery complexion even
back then. Yeah, I mean,

1503
01:50:06.720 --> 01:50:11.079
I yeah, that's you hear those
stories where he's kind of obsessed with it.

1504
01:50:13.520 --> 01:50:15.800
But I saw recently, I mentioned
on the show, but I saw

1505
01:50:15.920 --> 01:50:19.439
The Shark Is Broken, this play
on Broadway that was written by Ian Shaw.

1506
01:50:20.239 --> 01:50:25.840
Turns out the only thing broken is
Richard Dreyfus's heart. Yeah well yeah,

1507
01:50:25.920 --> 01:50:30.079
I mean, well yeah. Robert
Shaw's son co wrote this play based

1508
01:50:30.119 --> 01:50:33.720
on the diaries or journals that his
dad wrote about working on Jaws. And

1509
01:50:34.079 --> 01:50:39.520
I was going to bring up that
there's actually a whole scene dedicated to Roy

1510
01:50:39.560 --> 01:50:44.600
Scheider. The character of Roy Scheider
like basically stripping down to his like speedo

1511
01:50:45.000 --> 01:50:46.520
because he has a minute just so
he can tan for a while, and

1512
01:50:47.199 --> 01:50:51.560
I was like, yeah, but
yeah, what you're alluding to is that

1513
01:50:51.880 --> 01:51:00.960
Richard Dreyfus attended recently one of the
uh the Knights, and was left heartbroken

1514
01:51:00.039 --> 01:51:03.199
at his the way they portrayed it
less than thrilled. Yeah, yeah,

1515
01:51:04.039 --> 01:51:09.800
which who knows, by the way, like, you know, there's you

1516
01:51:09.880 --> 01:51:13.520
know, there's there's this side,
that side and the truth, you know.

1517
01:51:14.199 --> 01:51:17.199
Yeah, sure sure, And I've
I've heard from plenty of people who

1518
01:51:17.520 --> 01:51:21.720
say that Richard Dreyfus is is in
fact a kind of unpleasant person. So

1519
01:51:21.960 --> 01:51:29.359
you know, you know, I
wouldn't doubt that there's some veracity somewhere.

1520
01:51:30.239 --> 01:51:32.600
Yeah, I'm sure some of it
is pretty accurate. But I imagine then

1521
01:51:32.600 --> 01:51:36.640
all these years later, though,
it's not fun to watch, Yeah,

1522
01:51:38.199 --> 01:51:44.119
to be sort of the yeah,
to be the goat in the traditional negative

1523
01:51:44.159 --> 01:51:47.279
sense, not right in the current
positive sense, right right, right,

1524
01:51:49.000 --> 01:51:54.279
that's funny. Yeah, these actors, you know, I mean this this

1525
01:51:54.880 --> 01:51:58.279
construct like it's not actual rock,
right, So they were just slipping and

1526
01:51:58.359 --> 01:52:00.800
sliding all over the place. Yeah, it's like fiber gins or something like

1527
01:52:00.840 --> 01:52:06.199
that. Yeah, exactly. Now, wait when it shows that injury there,

1528
01:52:06.279 --> 01:52:10.399
what is it is that supposed to
be fresh or why? I was

1529
01:52:10.479 --> 01:52:14.920
wondering about that, Yeah, or
it looks like it happened several days ago

1530
01:52:15.000 --> 01:52:17.880
or a week ago or something,
so I was confused. So she pretty

1531
01:52:17.960 --> 01:52:21.640
much starts screaming here and doesn't stop
until after the credits end. I think,

1532
01:52:23.199 --> 01:52:28.520
yes, yeah, she was starting
to become grading to me. But

1533
01:52:28.600 --> 01:52:30.399
I was also appreciating, I mean
truly, like you're an actor. You

1534
01:52:30.520 --> 01:52:34.199
do what they want you to do, and you trust that they're gonna put

1535
01:52:34.239 --> 01:52:39.199
all the puzzle pieces together in a
way that's the most enjoyable and entertaining.

1536
01:52:39.239 --> 01:52:42.000
But I feel like they did her
a little dirty where they just like keep

1537
01:52:42.119 --> 01:52:46.000
coming back to her just losing her
mind. You have to make It's like

1538
01:52:46.119 --> 01:52:50.720
one take that they just kept inter
cutting and so it seems like she's screaming

1539
01:52:50.800 --> 01:52:54.920
for the whole time. Yeah,
there's one that happened maybe like five minutes

1540
01:52:54.920 --> 01:52:59.880
ago, where she screams for like
seventeen seconds straight. And I was like,

1541
01:53:00.079 --> 01:53:01.720
no, no, no, I
mean you can cut you can you

1542
01:53:01.800 --> 01:53:04.079
can edit that, like, you
can cut that in half if you like,

1543
01:53:04.239 --> 01:53:08.520
you know, like he didn't have
to awkwardly hold on her for so

1544
01:53:08.600 --> 01:53:11.840
long. I was. As I
was watching this, I was sort of

1545
01:53:11.880 --> 01:53:15.880
fascinated by how fit Roy Scheider's legs
are. I was like, those are

1546
01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:18.560
some toned legs. Yeah, I
mean, well the shorts he's wearing really

1547
01:53:18.600 --> 01:53:24.760
shows them off. Yeah yeah,
yeah, gotta respect the hustle there.

1548
01:53:26.359 --> 01:53:30.800
So this here, so we were
talking about like the way the way they

1549
01:53:30.960 --> 01:53:33.039
contrived to get rid of the shark, and I was saying, I like

1550
01:53:34.000 --> 01:53:40.560
what they did here because it is
extremely different and and it kind of works.

1551
01:53:40.600 --> 01:53:45.119
But more interesting to me is like
the Jaws ride at Universal, Florida

1552
01:53:45.600 --> 01:53:50.039
was based on Jaws two, not
the first Jaws. I wonder where that

1553
01:53:50.239 --> 01:53:54.119
is. Is that easier to execute? I mean they're like hey, because

1554
01:53:54.159 --> 01:53:59.399
it's specifically it has him, it
has him electrocuted, right, and he's

1555
01:53:59.520 --> 01:54:03.079
like scar and stuff. But come
on, right, I mean, I

1556
01:54:03.119 --> 01:54:08.479
think this is really cool. The
rhythmic thumping of the of the the paddle

1557
01:54:08.600 --> 01:54:11.800
to draw the show. I think
it's it's put together really well. I

1558
01:54:11.920 --> 01:54:15.399
agree, Yeah, yeah, this
is it's good. I Like I said,

1559
01:54:15.399 --> 01:54:17.000
I didn't remember this movie very well, and I was wondering, like,

1560
01:54:17.039 --> 01:54:19.520
well, they can't put another tank
in its mouth, like, right,

1561
01:54:19.600 --> 01:54:23.039
how are they gonna get rid of
this, and this is completely different.

1562
01:54:23.319 --> 01:54:29.760
It's it's clever. The way that
said open up and say ah is

1563
01:54:29.880 --> 01:54:34.840
not quite the the the bone mow
that that smiley son of a bitch is.

1564
01:54:34.920 --> 01:54:40.279
You know that's true. Granted I
don't want him saying that again either,

1565
01:54:40.600 --> 01:54:44.119
but yeah, yeah, but it's
it's a little bit like in Diehard

1566
01:54:44.159 --> 01:54:46.239
too, if McLean is like it's
Howdy Duty time, Like it's like,

1567
01:54:47.840 --> 01:54:51.560
yes, with each movie he's got
a different you know, like Homer,

1568
01:54:53.159 --> 01:54:56.880
this is sixty minutes or whatever.
Yeah, right right. I mean that's

1569
01:54:56.920 --> 01:55:00.159
the thing too, though, is
it started to get ridiculous with McLain where

1570
01:55:00.159 --> 01:55:02.680
he just kept saying the same thing
that's right over at each movie, you

1571
01:55:02.760 --> 01:55:06.920
know. But yeah, I agree
they should have maybe done a couple alts.

1572
01:55:08.680 --> 01:55:12.039
Ye had to open up and say
ah, that doesn't really work for

1573
01:55:12.159 --> 01:55:16.079
me. Yeah, don't forget to
floss as he sticks the cable in his

1574
01:55:16.199 --> 01:55:21.920
mouth. You know, I just
took a sip of water right when he

1575
01:55:21.960 --> 01:55:36.880
said that. Yeah, you know, Roy Scheider, I mean he passed

1576
01:55:36.920 --> 01:55:44.119
away what like two thousand and seven, I think, And it's like a

1577
01:55:44.199 --> 01:55:46.560
real shame because I feel like by
the end of his career, he wasn't

1578
01:55:46.680 --> 01:55:51.199
making as many appearances. You know, he kind of you know, I

1579
01:55:51.239 --> 01:55:55.680
don't know why, but it just
felt like we weren't seeing him on screen

1580
01:55:56.720 --> 01:56:00.239
as much anymore. Yeah, and
it feels like that should well, if

1581
01:56:00.279 --> 01:56:02.520
he was in the Golden Age of
television era, like he would have had

1582
01:56:02.600 --> 01:56:08.319
some but on some series and you
know, yeah, that's right, older

1583
01:56:08.359 --> 01:56:12.760
wizend Schier. I can totally see
that. It's just he's his face is

1584
01:56:12.920 --> 01:56:17.840
so iconic to me. You know, I've said about like Roy Scheider looks

1585
01:56:18.039 --> 01:56:26.119
like the Mad Magazine drawing of Roy
Scheider. That's really funny. Yeah,

1586
01:56:26.199 --> 01:56:30.600
it's so distinct. Yeah, like
you know, because the Mad Magazine carecatch

1587
01:56:30.720 --> 01:56:33.680
is like slightly exaggerated whatever. It's
like, No, that's just what he

1588
01:56:33.720 --> 01:56:38.199
looks like. Yeah, yeah,
you know, and it's really funny.

1589
01:56:39.600 --> 01:56:42.680
You know, it looks like a
he looks like a Mort Drucker drawing.

1590
01:56:44.239 --> 01:56:57.319
That's so funny, you claude,
Well, that'll leave a mark. Yeah,

1591
01:56:58.039 --> 01:57:00.479
that's a pretty uh sensational end.
I like it. I think it's

1592
01:57:00.520 --> 01:57:04.039
good. You gotta do something different
with the sequel. It's got to be

1593
01:57:04.079 --> 01:57:08.880
a little bigger. I think this
should have been the fake out death where

1594
01:57:08.920 --> 01:57:11.319
they think they're safe and then the
shark comes out of the water with the

1595
01:57:11.439 --> 01:57:17.039
machine gun and they're like no,
you know, and then Carl Winslow kills

1596
01:57:17.079 --> 01:57:21.680
them. I don't know something,
yes, right, right right? Have

1597
01:57:23.359 --> 01:57:31.600
the script doctors take a look at
that. Yeah, yeah, but yeah,

1598
01:57:31.680 --> 01:57:35.239
no, I mean it's funny.
It's like a combination of like bad

1599
01:57:35.319 --> 01:57:41.079
seventies visual effects and also kind of
cool practical effects, like you get this

1600
01:57:41.439 --> 01:57:45.800
sort of funny sorry sorry, yeah, yeah, like the sort of weird

1601
01:57:45.880 --> 01:57:50.399
cartoonish looking like yes, the electricity
and stuff, electricity or whatever, but

1602
01:57:50.479 --> 01:57:55.239
then also you know, you get
the flames coming out of it and you

1603
01:57:55.279 --> 01:58:00.319
can see like steam coming out of
its eyes. It looks cool. I

1604
01:58:00.880 --> 01:58:06.079
think they figured out the right way
to cut that sequence together. Yes,

1605
01:58:06.239 --> 01:58:11.199
that the stuff that's slightly dodgy.
You're never focus on it too long.

1606
01:58:13.319 --> 01:58:15.920
Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of
a funny impressionistic sort of thing too,

1607
01:58:15.960 --> 01:58:19.119
where it's cutting, like right,
if I remember right, like intercutting between

1608
01:58:19.199 --> 01:58:24.000
Schier and the shark very fast for
a second there, like that's right,

1609
01:58:24.119 --> 01:58:26.840
yeah, cutting to both sides,
back and forth, back and forth.

1610
01:58:28.680 --> 01:58:33.039
I felt like this was a little
bit of an abrupt ending. We didn't

1611
01:58:33.039 --> 01:58:38.560
even get thought. Yeah, well
we get like in the first one even

1612
01:58:38.720 --> 01:58:40.880
just sort of like he used to
hate the water, you know, just

1613
01:58:41.000 --> 01:58:45.279
like a little well something to go
out with. And here I just maybe

1614
01:58:45.359 --> 01:58:48.560
like a line or something like it
just sort of like the shark is dead,

1615
01:58:48.600 --> 01:58:53.800
and then the credits start and we
see him rescue. We get the

1616
01:58:53.880 --> 01:58:58.359
little piece with Sean where Sean's like, you know, they made me go

1617
01:58:58.439 --> 01:59:00.399
with them and he's like, yeah
sure they did, uhh yeah, sure

1618
01:59:00.479 --> 01:59:03.479
sure, And that's that's meant to
be like kind of the thing that deflates

1619
01:59:03.520 --> 01:59:06.880
the tension. Yeah. I think
maybe if he had been like who was

1620
01:59:06.880 --> 01:59:11.079
the one who wouldn't stop screaming?
And they're like this one he's like you

1621
01:59:11.239 --> 01:59:18.199
go last, Yeah, and then
directed by you know, like something like

1622
01:59:18.279 --> 01:59:23.000
that. You know, credits we
could work shout that, but you know

1623
01:59:23.119 --> 01:59:30.159
along those lines that's really funny.
Well, hey, well this was Jaws

1624
01:59:30.199 --> 01:59:33.279
too. What's your what's your?
You know, First of all, let

1625
01:59:33.359 --> 01:59:36.159
me just say, you know,
thank goodness nothing else came after this movie,

1626
01:59:36.199 --> 01:59:43.680
because he got like two really solid
movies with you know, I agree,

1627
01:59:43.800 --> 01:59:47.239
someone would deign to make a third
or much less a fourth one.

1628
01:59:48.000 --> 01:59:56.399
Right, yeah, no, what
I would say as someone who was sort

1629
01:59:56.439 --> 02:00:00.560
of hesitant to ever feel the need
to even visit this one, much like

1630
02:00:00.640 --> 02:00:03.479
my experience with Psycho two, Like, look, it ain't Jaws one,

1631
02:00:04.359 --> 02:00:09.079
but I don't I think it's worth
checking out. I mean, it's just

1632
02:00:09.159 --> 02:00:11.760
a little more time in that world
and a little more time with Brody,

1633
02:00:11.840 --> 02:00:15.159
and there's some some good stuff in
it, and you know, it doesn't

1634
02:00:15.199 --> 02:00:18.720
threaten your love of the first one, Like I think it's worth checking out

1635
02:00:18.800 --> 02:00:26.279
if you haven't. Yeah, I
think you know sometimes I've said this before,

1636
02:00:26.399 --> 02:00:30.159
right too. There so much of
the discourse around films is either best

1637
02:00:30.319 --> 02:00:35.760
ever or worst ever? Yes,
And and sometimes it's okay to just be

1638
02:00:35.880 --> 02:00:41.640
like, no, it's okay.
You know. I think Dresser Park three

1639
02:00:41.720 --> 02:00:46.279
is okay. Yeah. Yeah,
yeah yeah. Well and and you know

1640
02:00:46.439 --> 02:00:50.680
to to you know, we our
friend Paul Spattero, he's got his podcast

1641
02:00:50.800 --> 02:00:54.479
is it Jaws? Yes? And
I love that he uses that as a

1642
02:00:54.560 --> 02:00:58.800
rating system, like he so he
looks at other films and he says,

1643
02:00:58.920 --> 02:01:00.840
is it Jaws one? Is it
like a masterpiece? Is it Jaws two?

1644
02:01:01.319 --> 02:01:03.800
Not bad? Is it Jaws three? Or is it Jaws four,

1645
02:01:04.279 --> 02:01:12.159
and I think this Jaws two is
perfectly Jaws two. There you go,

1646
02:01:13.640 --> 02:01:17.199
and unlike the film which didn't know
quite the last line to end on,

1647
02:01:17.319 --> 02:01:21.439
I think you found the perfect line
to end on, so obviously I'll just

1648
02:01:21.560 --> 02:01:26.479
leave it there. Thank you everybody
for listening to our Jaws two commentary track,

1649
02:01:26.640 --> 02:01:28.920
and as always, hey, we'd
love to hear your thoughts on this

1650
02:01:29.079 --> 02:01:32.079
film and what your relationship is to
it, because certainly there are plenty of

1651
02:01:32.880 --> 02:01:38.239
vigorous defenders of this film and people
who vociferously hate it, so I'd love

1652
02:01:38.279 --> 02:01:40.840
to hear from both. But if
you want to let us know what you

1653
02:01:40.880 --> 02:01:43.920
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1654
02:01:43.960 --> 02:01:46.800
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1655
02:01:46.840 --> 02:01:53.000
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1656
02:01:53.159 --> 02:01:56.399
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1657
02:01:56.479 --> 02:02:00.760
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1658
02:02:00.760 --> 02:02:02.159
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1659
02:02:02.199 --> 02:02:05.319
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1660
02:02:05.439 --> 02:02:10.600
Corner. I'm on you know,
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1661
02:02:10.720 --> 02:02:15.279
everything else. Brian is out and
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1662
02:02:15.399 --> 02:02:19.399
offline. I don't know if he's
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1663
02:02:20.840 --> 02:02:24.840
apparently, yeah, in this day
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1664
02:02:24.880 --> 02:02:28.840
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1665
02:02:30.039 --> 02:02:33.560
Disney channels and the Disney pluses of
it all. Well, there we go.

1666
02:02:33.680 --> 02:02:36.439
Thank you everybody for listening. This
has been our movie film commentary track

1667
02:02:36.479 --> 02:02:39.359
for Jaws too. We will catch
you next time.