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Hi, Billy Cunningham, and Senator
Ran Paul, according to my production team,

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is about to call to discuss his
vote on essentially eliminating AM radio as

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a requirement for car manufacturers. And
things proceed in the Senate either by unanimous

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consent or by overcoming the sixty percent
rule. And there was an effort made

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a few days ago, as I
understand it, that said that let's waive

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the rule by unanimous consent, and
we will require which is Amy Klomachar's bill

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from Minnesota, that all new cars
will have an AM radio in him for

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all kinds of strategic purposes. And
we think Senator ram Paul is calling now.

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But the one senator that said no
was a Senator Senator Ran Paul.

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And Senator Ran Paul, welcome again
to the Bill Cunningham Show. Senator,

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how are you very good? They'll
thank good. You know, I have

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to take you to task a bit. We've been rounding around for many years,

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ninety five percent of the time on
the same page. But as I

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understand it, I read your interview
at has with my friend Terry Miners about

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you being the one Senator that would
not waive the rule by unanimous consent that

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would have required car manufacturers to keep
AM radio inside their cars, which is

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something that's heart and soul of what
we do. And I would say this

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that right now your voice is heard
all over Kentucky, Ohio, and Indiana

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on a big AM station. No
FM station can do that. And about

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four years ago I was contacted by
HHS to have a pod put in and

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our transmitter in Mason and yours truly
was selected as the designated survivor on a

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big AM station with backup to give
messages to people that FM radio cannot do.

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So why did you vote against?
I think every Republican not to waive

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the rule to require AM radio and
car manufacturer. I think there's more than

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one way to skin a cat.
I'm very sympathetic to AM radio. As

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you know. I've been on AM
radio for years. My dad was on

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for decades before I was on.
I know you've been involved with AM radio,

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and there's so many great voices on
AM radio. But I want to

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do something, and if we're going
to do something, it needs to be

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consistent with our philosophy. The main
cars that they're taking AM radio out of

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are electric cars. Now, people
wouldn't be buying these electric cars if we

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weren't subsidizing them. So, rather
than mandate to car manufacturers that they have

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AM radio, why don't we quit
subsidizing electric cars that are banning and taking

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out AM radio. So I think
it would both get the same result.

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But I think it would be more
consistent with the Republican position not to add

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mandates to car manufacturers and not to
sort of pick the winners and losers,

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but to let the marketplace decide that. But don't skew the marketplace by subsidizing

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cars that don't have AM radio.
When I speak to car dealers, there's

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dozens, maybe hundreds of government mandates
already. Government mandates all kinds of stuff

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in a car, and one thing
that is a requirement for safety is communication

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during a crisis, and that would
occur, of course, when AM radio

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can do what FM radio can't do. Why not do both? I think

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to bribe somebody to buy an EV
where the batteries are made in communists red

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China, and the way the materials
are mined in Africa is terrible, why

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not do both? When I take
away the seven and a half thousand dollars

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bribe which isn't working, and make
sure that farmers and truck drivers and other

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Americans have the availability of getting information
entertainment. Senator, why not do both?

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It isn't either or why not do
both? I think getting rid of

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subsidies is consistent with the limited government
philosophy. Adding mandates typically is not something

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Republicans have offered. Most of the
mandates that are on cars already or are

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mandates, and most Conservatives have opposed. We really haven't been for mandating what

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goes into a car, what goes
into manufacturing. But I think the same

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result can happen by doing something that
is consistent with our philosophy, and that

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is getting rid of the subsidy.
The different thing to remember is is that

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as times change, even Tesla.
So, for example, if you mandate

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to somebody who buys a Tesla that
it have an AM radio in it,

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I think you're more likely to get
them listening to you by streaming you off

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a website, because the car is
well connected to a computer as a real

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large computer screen, and the people
buying these cars probably aren't going to listen

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to AM radio frankly on a dial, but are more likely to actually listen

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to it streaming. So I think
part of the adaptation and survival of AM

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radio is getting people. You know, I would say, half the time

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I'm in my car, I'm listening
to my phone. You know, people

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plug their phone in already, But
I do know people who plug their phone

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in and stream AM radio or stream
podcasts. So it is coming and the

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world is changing. You know.
It's not for lack of sympathy of AM

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radio. Basically the idea that I
just don't think it's consistent with our philosophy

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to tell people what they have to
have. The bill also tells them that

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if it is an additional cost to
block the electromatic magnetic impulse from the battery

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to have an AM signal, if
there's any additional cost, you're not allowed

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to charge the consumer. We've never
really been forbidding people from passing our cost

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along if it costs more to protect
the AM signal, to let that be

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passed along. And so I just
don't think it's consistent with the bill.

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I don't think it's consistent with our
philosophy. What's the status now that you've

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blocked by unanimous consent? Is this
thing going to pass anyway down the road?

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It may. And the thing is
is people need to realize that nobody

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can block anything. All I'm doing
is blocking the expedited vote, where there's

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no committee hearing and there's no real
debate on the floor, and it just

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goes by unanimously. Very few things
of any kind of substance go by unanimously,

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and so you know, I'd like
to hear both. I really do

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think that even if you were to
mandate this, the future of AM radio

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needs to be convincing people to stream
it on their phone and plug their phone

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into their car, because more and
more that's going to ultimately be how people

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still get their AM radio. I
don't know what the percentage is now,

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but I know most radio stations.
I think I can stream your radio station

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on the internet. Can't I absolutely, But most people and AM radio do

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not stream. There's a few that
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Seventy eighty percent don't stream. I
guess I could stream, but I

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like putting in seven hundred. And
this is the only way if we have

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a power grid problem, If we
have an EMP some of that character and

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the power grid goes down, the
one way to communicate is through a large

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AM signal with backup generation of power
and we can communicate. And that is

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a life and death proposition. There
are farmers right now that are in fields

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listening somewhere in Kentucky, Indiana and
Ohio JM radio. There's truck drivers at

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night who spend their time listening to
that kind and to this kind of a

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signal. And to say, well
you can stream, well, most people

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don't stream, and most people are
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time. And they kind of liked
listening to AM radio. And let's face

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it, when you talk at the
beginning with Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity,

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etc. That AM radio is the
means of communication over the top of the

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mainstream media with all their dis and
misinformation, and so it hurt me.

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It kind of hurt my heart when
Senator ran Paul stoot up against seven hundred

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WLW and Bill Cunningham that Senator Ran
Paul voted against me. Yeah, basically,

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I don't think it's consistent for us
who believe in limited government to put

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mandates on manufacturers. But doesn't mean
I'm not sympathetic to the cause. And

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so I introduced and it was rejected
the people who want. The AM bill

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rejected my idea, and my idea
was to basically get rid of the substance

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for electric cars. And the thing
is is AM radio is not going away

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tomorrow. If you're a farmer.
Most farmers have a gas truck, you

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know, and gas trucks are still
going to have a radio. There's nobody

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really talking about getting rid of AM
radio in the gas trucks. So I

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think that there's going to be a
long time. But what we should do

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is really work hard not to be
subsidizing something that punishes an industry. So

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I'm against the subsidies with or without
the AM problem, but particularly because of

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the AM problem, I think we
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Plus, we don't have money,
and it's really not fair for people who

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are buying one hundred thousand dollars expensive
electric car to be subsidized by the guy

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who can only hold a FOURD to
twenty five thousand dollars car. So it's

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never been really fair to subsidize these
electric vehicles, and it's particularly not fair

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since it's subsidizing vehicles that won't have
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even in that small marketplace, it's
about one or two percent of the cars

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or electric cars. I think really, rather than the mandate, part of

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the emphasis of AM radio should be
advertising to those people the ability to stream.

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Because you're right, the farmer's not
going to be out there streaming on

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your website. But the one or
two percent that have electric cars, you

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have a chance of getting them if
instead of beating them over the head and

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forcing them to have AM radio,
you try to advertise to them that they

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can get AM radio through streaming.
It's a small market now, but it

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may well be a market that grows
over time. Senator I took it personal

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because I've been doing this for forty
years now. Just I'm beginning of my

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forty first year and radio at one
place, which is AM radio, and

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AM radio in the beginning was the
only radio. FM came along. Now

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FM is having more difficulties than AM, and streaming is going to happen at

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some point, whether it's five,
ten or fifteen years, We're going to

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have maybe have evs that makes sense
in fifteen to twenty years, hopefully not

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to benefit communists read China. But
when one of my favorites, Senator Ran

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Paul comes at me, and says
I want you, I want to eliminate

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AM radio from car manufacturers. Can
you understand how those of us in this

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business, the talk radio titans around
America, are kind of pissed off at

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that. Well, you know,
I think it's mis character my position to

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say that I want to eliminate AM
radio from cars. I actually would like

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to keep AM radio in cars,
and the way I would do it is

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in a way consistent with our philosophy, and that would be get rid of

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the subsidies that are given to electric
cars. But I don't think mandates is

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part of our philosophy. I mean, we've spent years saying we're not going

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to be the people who pick winners
and losers. We're not going to get

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involved with telling people what to manufacture. We're not going to give subsidies to

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things we like and not give subsidies
to things we don't like. So,

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actually, I think I'm taking the
consistent position that I've always taken is that

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I'm frankly not for mandates on business, even for mandates that I would like,

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you know. I mean, so
I don't think there's anything, if

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anything, I think people would be
and should be proud of the fact that

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I'm not changing my principles just because
it happens to be an industry I like.

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There's no question I'm a big fan
of AM radio, always have been.

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But at the same time, I
can't be for mandating things to manufacture,

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since I spent a career saying I'm
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do. Let's move on to two
other issues I'll come back to in about

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two minutes. Right now, we're
told that American interest in Ukraine are being

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terribly affected. Negatively, We're totally
we have to give billions more to Israel,

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which I'm much more in my mind
think about making sense. But please

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tell me it's true that it appears
to be some softening with Biden about the

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southern border. To have a functioning
country, we got to have a border.

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Are you going to stand firm on
the issue of no foreign aid until

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we take care of America's southern border? Without question? You know, my

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oath of office is to our country, not to other countries. We don't

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have money to be sending overseas.
No. I did consent on the Israeli

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aid if it was paid for by
taking away from the RS. This was

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Speaker Johnson's position in the beginning,
and I hope it will remain in his

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position that the Israel AID is separate
from Ukraine Aid and that it's paid for

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by taking the money from the RS. And with regard to sending, you

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know, tens of billions more to
Ukraine, I've drawn the line. I

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can't vote for any more money it's
being sent to Ukraine because we've sent them

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more than the country's entire GDP.
We've sent them over one hundred and ten

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billion dollars. They're using it to
subsidize small business, they're paying their government

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pensions with this thing. And the
bottom line is that we just don't have

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the money. We're borrowing the money
we sent don't have the money. We're

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broke thirty four trillion. In the
next five years, it's going to be

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thirty trillion, thirty trillion dollars.
And it's a billion here, and a

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billionaire is certainly we're talking about some
money. It is ridiculous when you talk

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to McConnell, and you speak to
Schumer, and maybe if somebody can talk

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to Biden, if he's up yet, what do you do with the issue

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of the offset to spend the money, but we have to get rid of

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eighty seven thousand IRS agents. We
got to do this, got to do

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that. Do you have a sense
it's a deal to be made in the

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next week, you know, it's
interesting that they swear that they won't trade

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the RS money, you know,
for the Israel AID or for the Ukraine

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Aid. But apparently the handshake deal
that was made between McCarthy and Biden O

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we're raising the debt ceiling, they've
already had a handshake deal to use that

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RS money to increase welfare spending because
the Democrats thought that the debt ceiling deal

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didn't give them enough welfare spending.
So it's interesting that they say, oh,

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we'll never give up on this IRS
money. They're already willing to trade

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it for different welfare programs that they'refore
and it is real money, and it

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does make a difference. So now
I think the one with Israel is reasonable

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if it's paid for. The other
would be less objectionable if it's paid for.

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But nobody's talking about paying for it. They're talking about trying to trade

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border security, which I am for
border security. I think we shouldn't let

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anybody in illegally I think they all
should be put right back on the other

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side of the river. The only
thing that was working down there was remain

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in Mexico. But people have to
realize that they think that there's going to

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be a negotiated deal that's going to
work, none of it works unless it

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has remained in Mexico, and that
takes cooperation with Mexico. No reason we

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got that was because Trump played hardball
with them, and that was one of

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the beauties of having Trump as president. He was unafraid. He stared down

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the Mexican president, and the Mexican
president agreed to keep him. But we've

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got a new Mexican president down there. I don't think Bien's going to stare

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anybody in the face because he's got
to look through his eyelids that are half

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closed. So I don't think it's
going to happen. But so I'm not

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really going to vote for any fake
border security and I'm definitely not voting for

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any money for Ukraine that's not paid
for. So it's very unlikely they'll get

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me on any of that foreign aid
bill. Lastly, have you ever voted

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on unanimous consent? Have you ever
in your time in the Senate. Have

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you ever voted to waive that?
Dozens of times? Almost every day.

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There's something I've already discussed four things
today. So unanimous consent is sometimes like

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for a resolution. So if we
have a resolution saying we congratulate Bill Cunningham

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for forty two years in radio and
for his service to the Constitution, that's

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a resolution that's not really legislation.
Those pass all the time by unanimous consent.

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Significant legislation rarely does, and one
person can't block it. What they

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do is just mean it goes to
the normal channels, and the normal channels

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are that it takes a few votes, and it takes several days to pass

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something, and they do have quite
a few coach sponsors on this, I

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think it's still wrong and inconsistent with
our philosopy. I think there's a reasonable

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chance they probably will pass at some
point. And lastly, Senator I would

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say, this is a governmental interest. I'm a capitalist. I've owned businesses,

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I continue to own some businesses.
I love American business. That is

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the great equalizer. However, there's
a government interest in having AM radio functioning,

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especially the big ones, because if
the power grid doesn't exist, if

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computers do not work, if cars
do not run. We have the capability

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of getting messages out to the American
people as to where to go, what

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to do the circumstances like a red
dawn situation on and only AM radio does

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that. You're being heard right now
in northern Tennessee and Ohio. No FM

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station can do that. And so
when you did what you did, that

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was a heart that was a stamping
to my heart. I'm thinking, this

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is my guy, just my home
state of Kentucky. These guys trying to

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destroy AM radio, And I know
I had to talk to you because that

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can't be the case. You got
to stand with them. You realize,

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you realize it's not because I had
an alternative that is probably goes more to

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the crux of the problem, and
getting rid of the subsidies basically would eliminate

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the problem. Then you wouldn't have
to have mand aids, if you didn't

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have the cars being subsized, nobody
would be buying these electric cars and they

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wouldn't be pressure on AM radio.
So all I'm saying is by opposing one

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method of doing this doesn't mean I'm
against AM radio. It just means I'm

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for a different method of getting the
same result. But I think this method,

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I think many of your listeners would
probably agree, is more consistent with

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the limited government philosophy. And when
it goes through all the stuff you senators

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go through, are you going to
vote yes on AM radio? I'll vote

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yes to get rid of the subsidies
to electric cars that get rid of AM

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radio. I think that's the best
solution. Do you love AM radio?

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You know I do. I've been
on AM radio and going back a decade

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and my father probably two or three
decades. It's a great long format.

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It's a way to have a discussion, a full discussion like we've just had

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that we probably couldn't have on television
because the interviews aren't as long. So

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no great fan of AM radio.
Tomorrow I'll be on with a gentleman who

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is I believe eighty seven years old
and he's been doing it for several decades,

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also in a small community of about
six thousand people on an AM radio

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station that my father in law used
to work for. So nothing but sympathy,

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nothing but sympathy for allowing the message
to get out, but just different

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ways to skin a cat. Because
we disagree on the solution doesn't mean we're

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not on the same side. Well, I hope AM radio is here long

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after both of us are gone.
And I sense in your heart and soul

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you understand the value of AM radio
and the role it can play in governmental

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activity plus private enterprise. Once again, Senator Ran Paul, thank you for

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coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.
Senator, thank you, thank you,

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and God bless America. Let's continue
with more the line becomes available. You

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know the routine. Five one,
three, seven, four, nine,

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seven thousand. AM radio is your
friend. AM radio is your informer.

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AM radio is necessary. If there's
a crisis in this country, you'll be

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hearing my voice on news radio seven
hundred WLW. While interest rates are on

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need this holiday season. Five years
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