WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:04.320 You know, each week we scour the internet looking for proof of God's or 2 00:00:04.519 --> 00:00:08.679 anything supernatural, and we haven't found anything yet that would convince us. But 3 00:00:08.759 --> 00:00:11.560 we have found a lot of really cool stuff and we want to show you 4 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:21.760 what it is. So buckle up because the show's starting right now. Hello, 5 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:26.559 and welcome to another episode of the Nonprofits. This is the show where 6 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:31.120 we discuss news and topics of the day from a skeptical humanist perspective. My 7 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:35.280 name, of course is Kelly Latin and today's topics are a step in the 8 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:39.119 right, step in the right a step step step, step in the right 9 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:47.039 direction, and stepping with mom obviously no Cynthia McDonald stepping with me today. 10 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:50.320 All the way. On the far end is the heavenly Helen Green. Hi, 11 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:54.280 Helen, how are you? Hello? Everyone? Happy pride mind. 12 00:00:55.000 --> 00:01:02.479 I'm your choking gay queer unicorn. Hello. And next to Helen we have 13 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:08.319 the Jaunty Jason Friedman. I don't know how that name is. Jaunty I 14 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:11.120 went I went to school, but I don't even know what that means, 15 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:12.439 so I'll have to look that up after this. But thanks, I'm happy 16 00:01:12.439 --> 00:01:19.760 to be here. And the jus Jonathan RODDA Bush. Hey guys, thank 17 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:23.480 you killing Yep, it's uh, it's great to be on Nonprofits. This 18 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:30.040 is an amazing show with amazing people, especially since this makes us an all 19 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:34.439 ACD cast. I was going to mention that we are all a CD personality, 20 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:36.959 so if you want to talk to any of us, you can always 21 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:40.519 find us on the ACD. So and I do want us point out that 22 00:01:40.599 --> 00:01:42.760 this show is a product of the Atheist Community of Boston, a five O 23 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:51.040 one C three nonprofit organization dedicated to promoting promoting atheism, critical thinking, secular 24 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:55.400 humanism, and the separation of religion and government. And today we are going 25 00:01:55.439 --> 00:02:00.319 to talk about humanists spreading the good news of the secular word. The pros 26 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:06.799 came, but these parents conquered a Tennessee laws struck struck down by a federal 27 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:12.240 judge and a Utah scholar school district bands the Bible. As with all of 28 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:16.080 our shows, links to today's topics and the news we discuss are available in 29 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:20.919 the description below just down there. And a reminder, if you want to 30 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:24.479 come into the show prepared, you can check out the Nonprofits Facebook fan page 31 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:27.800 and get all the links. On Friday nights, So you can come in 32 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:30.360 here ahead of time, know what stories we're going to be talking about. 33 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:35.479 And we are going to be stepping out to Minnesota first. And Jason, 34 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:37.960 I think you're gonna take us there. You're gonna be our hiking guide. 35 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:38.919 So what do you got for us? Well, you know, I'll tell 36 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:44.159 you it's it's interesting being part of a nonprofits that actually has a positive feel. 37 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:47.680 So I'll tell you I'm excited about that. So this is from www 38 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:53.879 Dot Star Tribune dot com. The name of the article is a Minnesota Humanists 39 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:58.360 take out billboards to spread the secular word. It goes to say the state's 40 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:01.840 largest group of nonbelievers aims to fight what they see as a push to impose 41 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:08.280 Christian beliefs in government. The billboard that they're fighting, or that they posted 42 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:14.240 says, reject Christian nationalism, keep religion out of government. Now, you 43 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:16.159 know, seeing that as John's first time here, I'm gonna go ahead and 44 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:20.199 pop his cherry and pass it to him. John, how do you feel 45 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:24.360 about this article and this billboard in general? Well, I think that they 46 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:30.479 had a genius or a great idea. I've thought of this as well as 47 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:32.919 one of the things I was thinking about how we might be able to do 48 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:37.759 this nationwide. It takes an awful lot of money. I think it took 49 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:42.759 them like five K or seven K for the billboard, and I don't know 50 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:45.639 if that's for a month or if that's for how long that is, but 51 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:50.960 it's a It is a real step in the right direction. Something like eighty 52 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:55.919 nine percent of people who are driving actually do read billboards, So if this 53 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:01.000 spurs them to start thinking humanist time, oh gee, that would be pretty 54 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:04.639 cool. And also when this was posted, to read it it got over 55 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:10.360 fifty k up checks, So that's you know, that's amazing, you know, 56 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:16.199 So yes, And I thought another point. The article quoted from the 57 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:20.839 Minnesota Humanist president said, so many people have not heard of it. Humanism 58 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:27.279 that is, and her name is Hayland and of humanism. But as soon 59 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:30.279 as you describe it, most people I know say, oh, that's me. 60 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:34.319 I didn't know there was that name for it. So and since my 61 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:41.439 father was a dedicated humanist, I'm kind of like, I am surprised that 62 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:46.240 more people don't know that the humanist movement has been around for a very very 63 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:50.120 long time. So I'm I'm really happy that this is happening and that they're 64 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:54.800 getting some good press over it. And I think we could do more of 65 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:59.000 this if we just organize a little bit and see if we can't raise some 66 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:06.399 money. Helen, Um that I called you out on that, sorry, 67 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:13.319 but um and uh. They've they've also humanists also to do this have established 68 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:18.000 relationships, which is what we can do also with the unitarians and the human 69 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:27.079 humanistic Jewish congregations UM over over a secular Now they're actually organizing over a secular 70 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:30.959 counter to the National Day of Prayer, which I think is also a good 71 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:33.079 idea if the if the nation's going to have a Day of prayer, we 72 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:38.279 need to either have our own day or take that and co opt it so 73 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:41.560 that we can use it. Um. And So these are some of the 74 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:44.240 points I was thinking about with this, and you know, there are a 75 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:46.639 lot of other things we can do. It would be great to get some 76 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:53.120 of these humanists from Minnesota, since they've already made national news onto some really 77 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:57.480 good talk shows like The Talk or The View or you know, something like 78 00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:00.639 that, there's going to reach a lot more people. Hopefully they're planning that 79 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:05.439 too. And so once we start getting the word out that there are people 80 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:12.480 in this country who don't buy into the bs these Christian nationalists are selling or 81 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:16.160 that, you know, then maybe they'll get the idea that real patriots of 82 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:23.000 this country don't believe that church should have anything to do with politics. So 83 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:26.959 if you don't believe that out there, then you're not really a patriot. 84 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:31.279 So just think about it. And so the alliances are very important, and 85 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:35.839 we need to pay attention to what other people are doing. And if we 86 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:42.160 find out about any actions or rallies that they're doing that we can attend. 87 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:46.079 We should probably give them that kind of moral support by showing up and you 88 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:49.160 know, supporting their actions. And if even if it is a religious group, 89 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:54.720 even if it is the reform Jewish synagogue in the area, we should 90 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:57.879 show up. Even if it's the mosque, the local mosque, which we 91 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:00.279 have several in Florida, believe it or not here right in Tampa. And 92 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:05.319 they're really good people. They've come to my old church, the Unitarian Church, 93 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:09.759 and given talks and that on things. So it's it's like we have 94 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:13.439 allies out there. We may not agree with them, but we have Alan 95 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:16.800 Okay and Helen. I think I'm gonna pass this over to you. So 96 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:23.040 I am very very happy that the humanists are coming out of the proverbial closet. 97 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:26.199 It is pride months, so come out of the closet, Yali. 98 00:07:26.920 --> 00:07:30.160 That's the way I kind of look at this. I'm so happy that this 99 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:35.600 billboard got up and people are paying attention. And one of the wonderful things 100 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:42.639 that I found out about the seculary government clause that the Humanism Minnisota, pushed 101 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:46.680 by the state legislators, said form last October. The caucus aims to counter 102 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:49.519 what is members say is a growing push to impost Christian beliefs in government. 103 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:55.279 Includes legislators who are outspoken non believers, as well as lawmakers who are religious 104 00:07:55.279 --> 00:08:00.720 and support the separation of church and state. Coachair Representative Mike Freiberg of Golden 105 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:05.959 Valley recently invite a Humanists of Minnesota program direct coordinator Audrey Kingstrom to the House. 106 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:11.199 Legislative lessions usually begin with the player, but Freiberg asked Kingstrom to give 107 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:16.560 a secular invocation. Now, I want to live in that world. I 108 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:22.720 would absolutely love that all the way from state governments to the national that it 109 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:30.040 was very inclusionary, that there was no no hierarchy as far as religion or 110 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:35.440 secularists or whatever it is. Is that we're here to do our jobs and 111 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:39.840 we believe in the Constitution and what it stands for. I would love that. 112 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:45.960 And I know me and John live in the San Francis bus hole, 113 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:50.600 so you know, we I think for the two of us to really want 114 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:54.080 this to happen, maybe we could, you know, have a you know, 115 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:56.960 as John suggested, you know in our little noty notes, that we 116 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:01.360 could have a secular tea party, but all not only use secularity guardy, 117 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:05.919 but we convite people of color, all the queers, you know, everyone, 118 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:11.000 you know, people from different religious groups that understand the separation chertain state. 119 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:13.720 That would be I want that. I want that so much. So 120 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:20.159 thank you Minnesota for recognizing that we do have a separation or church to stay 121 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:24.039 in this country. And I am very excited this happened. So, Kelly, 122 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:26.840 what did you think of all this? Well, first off, it 123 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:30.080 was like you guys said almost everything I had in my note, So I'm 124 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:35.240 gonna think they have to think of new stuff right now. I did check 125 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:39.240 out Minnesota Humanists though, and they seem like a really cool group of people 126 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:43.039 and it's just like every large organization like that, there seems to be like 127 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:46.240 a core group of twenty thirty people. And John, I think it was 128 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:50.200 three months. They rented the build two billboards for three months for seven thousand 129 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:54.399 dollars And that's a pretty good chunk of money. That's not easy to come 130 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:58.000 by. So um, but it goes to show you how just a small 131 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:01.080 group of people, say twenty or thirty, you can share some volunteer work 132 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:05.840 together and get something like this done. And I think it's awesome that. 133 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:09.039 You know, it's a really good example how you can make a difference in 134 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:13.480 your community by not doing a whole lot of work. I'm sure there was 135 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.480 a lot of work pert and putting fundraisers together. Yeah, but like I 136 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:18.840 said, when you share it between twenty thirty people, it's not that hard, 137 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:20.679 it's not really that good to do it. So I think this is 138 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:26.840 a really good lesson in being able to do that and make a difference in 139 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:30.799 your community. And I think Minnesota Humanists, if you live in Minnesota, 140 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:33.159 you might want to check them out. They seem like a pretty cool group 141 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:37.000 of people to hang out with. So Jason, you want to take it 142 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:39.960 back again, Yeah, yeah, for sure. You know, it's funny. 143 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:41.799 It's you can look at this and be like, oh, you know, 144 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:43.000 it's just a billboard. But you know, I spent a lot of 145 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:48.559 time on the road in Houston, in the greater surrounding area pretty much from 146 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:52.440 New Bronfels to Beaumont, and it's a home of Lakewood Church, right, 147 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:56.799 you know, Joel Ostein and his cohorts. And what's really interesting is that 148 00:10:56.080 --> 00:11:01.440 in the past is give or take about three years years, they've launched a 149 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:05.840 billboard campaign across Houston. And I know this because I drive. I mean, 150 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:09.240 my truck is my office. So it's really interesting because a lot of 151 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:13.279 the areas that I work in are low SCS because you can put a lot 152 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:18.200 of you can mix industrial and housing kind of in the same area in low 153 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:20.759 SCS areas kind of go hand in hand. But that's, you know, 154 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:24.919 besides the point. What's interesting is those billboards are primarily in those areas, 155 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:28.600 and it really it really made me think about about that. I'm like, 156 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:31.039 oh my god, that guy has that crap all over the place, and 157 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:35.879 it's him and his wife with these big, terrifying smiles and they say come 158 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:41.759 home to hope and if that isn't like the glaring antithesis of what the secular 159 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:46.440 humanists are doing, because if anybody knows anything about Lakewood Church, that place 160 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:58.279 is a cesspool for just that capitalistic Christian nationalistic money and Jesus fucking intertwined just 161 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:01.919 filthiness. I mean, along with those billboards in Houston, we have tons 162 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:07.440 of anti abortion billboards, you know, pro pro life billboards. We have 163 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:13.320 those one eight hundred Call for Truth billboards or whatever all over the place, 164 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:16.840 and these like tons of these that say save yourself from Hell, and they're 165 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:18.759 ever I mean, they're across taxes in general. Yeah, I've lived here 166 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:24.600 way too long, so I would I would really hope that and maybe, 167 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:28.080 you know, maybe this is something that I should be doing here in Houston, 168 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:30.879 especially being part of you know, the punk rock scene and everything. 169 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:33.240 You know, we have a bunch of activists. This just really highlights the 170 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:37.080 effectiveness of it. Like the stats that John brought up. I mean, 171 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:41.240 it's what we don't realize is that we're repetitive creatures. So we're doing the 172 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:43.080 same shit over and over and over and over and over and over and over, 173 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:46.799 and that thing just becomes part of your fucking daily mental landscape. That 174 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:50.879 just gets like just the original. Yeah, yeah, it becomes part of 175 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:54.480 your rituals. So I see those billboards and I'm indoctunated by the billboards if 176 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:56.879 I like it or not, or I'm thinking about them at least, right, 177 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:58.759 you know, So if we can get that that that questioning and that 178 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:03.759 critical reasoning, like here's all your bullshit critical thinking, and then there's the 179 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:07.200 rest of your day, you know, then then maybe we could Uh I 180 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:09.080 don't know, I don't know. Maybe and if whatso, if it's seven 181 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:13.240 thousand dollars over three months, you know, the thirty five hundred dollars a 182 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:16.639 month for thirty people, you know that that's not so bad. And in 183 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:20.720 Houston, I'm sure there's some areas we get it for pretty cheap, right, 184 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:22.799 And uh, I don't know, might even be worth it. I 185 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:28.279 think it's I think any type especially you know Hellen brought up in a happy 186 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:31.159 Pride month. Obviously you know I'm celebrating it right now. Um. Visibility 187 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:35.399 and you know visibility is key, right, I mean, yeah, John, 188 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:37.159 looking to my what side of you on? There you go? And 189 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:41.320 uh, I turned around. I don't know what's happening, and uh, 190 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:43.039 you know with Kelly, who is our token straight friend, you know we 191 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:46.559 had we Yeah, we love you, bro, It's okay, it's okay, 192 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:50.919 I love you. Your your lifestyle is okay. We accept you, 193 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:56.039 We accept you for who you are, and you just remember that you are 194 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:03.440 in the midst of all the gays boors around you, and you might floating 195 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:09.440 around. I was I'm gonna end up cutting the gay watch out, watch 196 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:18.480 out, I'm fast, but I digress. It's it's I think with visibility. 197 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:22.879 So it's like like John and I have talked before in the past about 198 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:26.440 like me being apprehensive about coming out for things and being apprehensive about coming Helen 199 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:28.960 and I've talked about it, and it's and even Kelly and I've talked about 200 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:33.360 it before too. And I think with the atheist thing that that that and 201 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:37.320 humanism and all that stuff, there needs to be visibility, right And and 202 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:39.240 if you set something up as a beacon you know, what was that movie 203 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:43.080 with the guy and the ghosts that played baseball, If you build something to 204 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:46.039 show up that whole thing, Yeah, yeah, So I mean that's it's 205 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:50.919 more or less I think that's what we should be doing. You know that 206 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:52.039 was that was one of the things say that, And that was one of 207 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:56.879 the things I found when I started a nonprofit organization and we knew we needed 208 00:14:56.919 --> 00:15:00.639 more people to help, but we didn't know how to find those people. 209 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:03.679 And we just put an ad in the paper saying that we were having a 210 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:07.000 meeting at our local library, and they showed up. All the people we 211 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:09.519 needed to help. They all just showed up because they saw that the meeting 212 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:13.919 announcement and they were interested too. They were waiting for somebody else just to 213 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:16.799 put that announcement in the pain. Yeah, well that's ACA did that. 214 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:20.960 I just I just finished my internship with the ACA. Yeah, you know, 215 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:26.440 graduation, but uh that I had to do a little report on ACA. 216 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:28.080 And they did that. They started putting out advertisements, they started to 217 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:31.720 meet up, a little meetups and this on the other and then now here 218 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:35.200 we are years and years and years later, and it just thousands of people's 219 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:37.200 lives have been affected by it and continually be affected by in real time. 220 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:39.639 And you see how it affects people, and it's really neat. So yeah, 221 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:43.200 something like that. It's just those those little and think about it. 222 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:46.840 We have the internet now, I mean come on, that's that's amazing. 223 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:50.039 So yeah, yeah, it's it's amazing information and travel. But but I 224 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:52.720 digress, Kelly. I'll pass it on back to your conductor, sir. 225 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:54.440 Well, I was going to let John take it next. Go oh yeah, 226 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:56.840 oh yeah yeah. The only thing I have to add is there's, 227 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:03.720 you know, the only limitation on how you can create events and things like 228 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:07.039 that as your own imagination and uh, you know, and sometimes you might 229 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:11.120 want to go for the shock value, but usually it's better just to demonstrate 230 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:15.919 your humanity in public. So you know, though, I would love to 231 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:22.879 see a sit in on the governor's lawn of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence or 232 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:27.080 the party on their lawn. So I'm sitting there going just spit ball in 233 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:30.679 here. But if we can talk them into it, yeah, you know, 234 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:33.159 we want to get national news that would do it, you know, 235 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:37.519 but you want to really, you just want to show the common guy on 236 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:41.360 the street that you're not an evil, terrible person, that you're an actual 237 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:45.759 human being. And then they start thinking, well, yeah, you're a 238 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:49.159 human being. But you know, I find myself as a as a triple 239 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:52.559 threat. You know, I'm I'm a liberal I'm an atheist, I'm gay. 240 00:16:52.639 --> 00:17:00.240 Yeah, watch out you are scary. Well, I mean I agree 241 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:03.559 with you, man. I think it's uh, we're normal, Like that's 242 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:07.079 everybody's just a normal person. We're just that that term normal. Yeah, 243 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:11.480 this is a normal life experience, you know. Yeah, Helen, I 244 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:15.759 mean that's I said, we all the people. And uh, I think 245 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:19.240 your point is that not being normal is normal. Not being normal is normal. 246 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:23.720 It's normal. It's normal to just be to be an individual. Yeah. 247 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:26.359 Yeah, yeah, it's really cool your authentic self. Yeah. And 248 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:30.359 the more visibility that's allowed, the more way and the more you pay that 249 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:33.519 way, you know, it's I need you know, my daughter recently came 250 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:36.559 out of school as both being atheist and gay, you know, and you 251 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:38.039 know, at the end of fifth grade, and she lost half her friends 252 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:41.400 and people told her she was going to hell and she was going to get 253 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:44.519 jumped and all this stuff, and and she's just all fuck it. So 254 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:47.920 she started like wearing her she like, I know, she loves metal and 255 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:51.000 this black metal and his band called Cradle of Filth and shit like that, 256 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:52.559 and has hoodies with pentagrams. It's just what she's into, you know. 257 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:56.279 And uh, she just started wearing her ship school. She's a fucking I 258 00:17:56.279 --> 00:18:00.559 don't care anymore, Like, okay, all right, yeah, you know 259 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:03.200 she's like people who don't like we don't like me. Okay, cool. 260 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:07.920 I know Helen has something she one day. So what do you got for 261 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:10.799 is Helen? I was gonna say, like, so as like, this 262 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:15.599 is just another example of people organizing and getting shit done. And as we're 263 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:19.000 going through the article tonight, this is really what this is nice about about 264 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:26.160 organizing and getting shit done, because we tend to forget that in this country 265 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:30.359 that we get a lot of him in hall, Like I get very frustrated 266 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:33.200 listening to the news, but then I'm reminded that there are people out there 267 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:37.799 that genuinely care about these things, you know, whether the religious or not, 268 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:41.640 you know, and we have to kind of remember that if we want 269 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:44.000 to do the change, we have to do the work, and this is 270 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:45.680 an example of that. So that was the only thing I wanted to say, 271 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:49.000 because I'm actually very excited for this episode tonight. I'm in a much 272 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:52.359 better mood than I've been in the past few weeks, so you know, 273 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:56.839 like you know, like if you're not happy, you know, burnsham shit 274 00:18:56.960 --> 00:18:59.640 down, not literally, but like, you know, do the activism, 275 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:04.319 you know, because we can't we can we can't endorse burning. Yeah, 276 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:08.680 don't do anything anything that's gonna like cause burning, because that's bad. Ourson 277 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:17.920 is bad. We had the ACA to not promote ourson. Yeah. Please, 278 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:23.400 I'm so glad you said that. Cut I said it. I made 279 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:30.839 the disclaser if you do it, but don't, but don't, definitely don't. 280 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:36.559 God No, that doesn't solve anything, creates much many more problems in 281 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:40.640 the souls and smells real bad too. So damn you don't want to add 282 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:44.160 some more pollution of the planet, you know what I mean? I don't 283 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:47.720 know. I've got enough forest fire smoke up here right now, right like 284 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:55.720 jne m Kelly Moore sinus issues before now, before we move on, I 285 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:59.319 did kind of want to plug Minnesota Humanists again. They seem pretty cool. 286 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:03.480 They have book views, they have lectures, they have monthly meetings, and 287 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:06.799 they seem like a really cool group and if you do Minnesota, live in 288 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:10.880 Minnesota, you might want to check them out. So at this point I 289 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:14.720 would like to thank all of our viewers, the old ones, the new 290 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:18.240 ones, all of them for getting us over twelve K subscribers. 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It happened in Redlands, California. 315 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:57.279 The story was written by Victor Swezzy. I hope I didn't just totally butcher 316 00:21:57.359 --> 00:22:03.680 a class name. It's the story about a woman named Amber Easley who decided 317 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:07.680 to attend her first school board meeting and she stood up talked about what she 318 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:12.160 believed in, and some proud boys followed her home and kind of started a 319 00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:17.440 whole campaign against her, even putting out posters with a Hitler mustache, which 320 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:21.680 I find really ironic. I'm going to talk about leader, but yeah, 321 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:26.240 she her bunch of other mothers got back together and they stood up to the 322 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:30.039 Proud Boys and they won. So Helen, let's something wrong with you? 323 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:33.799 What do you have to say? Okay, So before I make a comment 324 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:37.880 on this article, I want to point out that last week the leader of 325 00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:42.200 the Proud Boys, and Ricky Taro and four fellow members were convicted of third 326 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:48.359 degree conspiracy and plan to prevent members of Congress and law enforcement from discharging their 327 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:52.759 duties on January six, and they're facing up to twenty years in prison. 328 00:22:52.799 --> 00:23:03.480 So give me all plodlaw plod yay. So position such, yeah, one 329 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:07.279 step below treason, but I'll take it. I will take it. So 330 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:12.359 I want to remind I'm sure no prod always is watching this show or anyfficiuness, 331 00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:15.960 but if you happen to be watching this show, I would like to 332 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:21.240 remind you that we live in a free country and when you try to do 333 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:26.039 things like take over the government, there are consequences. So maybe you shouldn't 334 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:29.440 be a butthead. That's all I'm gonna say about that. But moving on 335 00:23:29.480 --> 00:23:34.680 to this article, I thought it was fantastic. Um. What really got 336 00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:41.119 to me was the fact that this mother and then she was basically going to 337 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:45.279 school boar bit meetings and hearing you know, people from the alt right show 338 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:49.319 up and start saying all these horrible things, and she realized that if she 339 00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:53.519 didn't put some water on this fire, it was going to burn through the 340 00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:57.519 entire district. And I thought it was amazing that she was just like, 341 00:23:57.559 --> 00:24:00.440 well, no, I'm not going to do this, and she gathered like 342 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:04.839 a bunch of other parents and concerned citizens and was basically it was like, 343 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:08.640 no, you are not going to come into the school board meetings and try 344 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:15.960 to put your terrible ideologies into our school system. So again, and as 345 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.599 a mom, I get it, you know, because there can be a 346 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:23.000 lot of bad ideas, and like, I've been kind of lucky because it 347 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:26.839 wasn't so bad when my kids were in school. But now a lot of 348 00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:30.119 parents are like, well no, and there and they're now starting to get 349 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:34.039 the fire and they do have the power to make a change in their school 350 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:38.119 system. That's why there's a parent teacher association, that is why parents had 351 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:41.519 to get involved in their schools. So for me, hearing the story, 352 00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:45.319 I was like, yeah, like damofos, like stand out for your rights. 353 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:49.920 So I thought this was really really really admirable. So, Jonathan, 354 00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:56.240 what did you think of it? I think they were There was actually a 355 00:24:56.240 --> 00:25:00.920 little bit to unpack around this story. But of course the links are in 356 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:04.799 the in the chat so or you know, in the comments section or show 357 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:07.759 notes. Sorry, gets me a little while to get my brain gear. 358 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:15.119 You know, the hamster running around in there has to get things where she 359 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:18.279 Uh. You know, this is amazing to me. This woman has no 360 00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:23.039 fear and I I always respect that anybody no fear at all, you know, 361 00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:27.519 and these people are violent, you know, they have done violent things. 362 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:32.119 They have committed all sorts of violent across the country. And she just 363 00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:37.279 said get off my law basically. And I love that. I just love 364 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:40.839 it to death. Um. And and from she held her ground and then 365 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:45.279 that's a bad thing to say from Florida. But anyway, the uh she 366 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.880 did she and she was a mama bear out to protect all her communities cups. 367 00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:53.759 And this is a window into how we should I don't say should be, 368 00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:57.519 but we could be. Um. I know some of us are that 369 00:25:57.559 --> 00:26:03.519 way um and have confronted people when they were being jerked. But you know, 370 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:06.839 it's just it's just amazing to me that I think there are a lot 371 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:10.880 more people out there like her, and all they need is an excuse to 372 00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:15.640 get together. She networked like a lot. She got the labor unions involved, 373 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:21.839 the Teamsters union, local union was involved, the teachers Union was involved. 374 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:23.920 I mean, she got a lot of some heavy hitters, you know, 375 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:29.200 to join her organization and to work with it. So, you know, 376 00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:33.319 and like all cowards, the little idy gets scurried away and went back 377 00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:36.720 under the rock. So I'm kind of like, good for you. You 378 00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:40.119 know, stand up to the bullies, push them down the stairs, whatever 379 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:44.599 you gotta do. Of course, no physical violence, but you know, 380 00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:48.279 just make sure that you are doing all you can to get rid of these 381 00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:53.279 clowns. So it's it's you don't really need to do any physical violence. 382 00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:56.440 You just have to expose them for who they are for the reason that's right. 383 00:26:57.119 --> 00:27:03.160 Just confront them, say that's bs and you're talking an awful lot like 384 00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:07.000 a guy in the nineteen twenties and thirties that normally, well some of them 385 00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:11.839 would love that, but so I would above that. But I'm just going 386 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:18.920 to say that from there that I have an excerpt from the article, and 387 00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:25.640 this is about a representation of things we're up against a network of altright hate 388 00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:30.359 groups, right wing Christians, and conspiracy theorists have launched a crusade to reshape 389 00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:36.880 public schools in their own emmet. So they've contested school board seats, called 390 00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:41.000 for book bands, which we will talk about, denied the existence that LGBTQ 391 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:48.079 plus children, and use scripture as a justification. So again, the stand 392 00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:51.519 up for these people whenever you can, go to your school board meetings if 393 00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:56.680 you can, and just confront these people every time chance you get, and 394 00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:00.000 they will eventually just crawl back under their rocks. I agree. That's all. 395 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.319 I'm going to pass it to Jason. Well, you know, man, 396 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.240 this is really interesting to talk about these proud boys because it's funny because 397 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:10.240 they wear they wear a brand called Fred Perry. So so I grew up 398 00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:12.519 and I'm still involved in the hardcore punk scene, and Fred Perry is a 399 00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:15.880 brand tends to be worn primarily by a group called Skinheads. Now not all 400 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:19.359 skinheads or Nazis, primarily they're not. But you have different colors. A 401 00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:22.000 lot of times. It's a kind of traditional or not traditional, but it's 402 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:26.400 kind of an old way of doing things where you'd have guys wearing red Fred 403 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.480 Perry's and they'd be Nazis or whatever. That's neither here nor there. But 404 00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:30.559 you know what, the Proud Boys or whole thing is a golden blue. 405 00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:36.039 It's interesting to me because I grew up around a bunch of boneheads. I 406 00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:38.039 grew up around a bunch of Nazis. We had in Texas we had the 407 00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:41.559 Confederate hammer Skins, or we had just a bunch of boneheads running around Houston, 408 00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:45.359 and these guys would show up to shows and pacts and this is just 409 00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:48.039 how would be. I remember this one gig. You had a bunch of 410 00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:49.680 guys and we were just running around and having fun in the circle pit, 411 00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:53.400 and these guys just started running around Sea Island and this circle pit. I 412 00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:56.960 mean, I'm not endorsing this, but it did not end well for them. 413 00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:00.880 And the thing is with our our scene and with what we do musically 414 00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:07.799 and the things that we do, we we don't allow that shit to They're 415 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.480 just an extension of that movement. That's that's that's something that we've seen grow 416 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:15.559 in the American punk rock scene. The band I played a band called Verbal 417 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:21.519 Abuse, and we we have a big kind of skinhead punk following as well. 418 00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:23.359 And it's like traditional And we have a bunch of sharps, which are 419 00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:27.240 skinheads against racial prejudice, a bunch of my skinhead buddies. They they were 420 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:32.720 at the BLM protests and acted as a human shield between the cops and the 421 00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:36.440 protest. So that's that's kind of what our group and our people do. 422 00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:38.039 Singer in my band, one of my bands does that, you know. 423 00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:44.039 So, so I understand this arena very well. And what John said, 424 00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:48.440 hit the nail on the head. These are pathetic, weak, scared, 425 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:56.440 spineless cowardice sadly proclaiming straight men, and and they run around in groups, 426 00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:00.720 and they put colors on them and they they have to co for themselves and 427 00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:04.640 logos, and they have to hide in the pack while pretending to be alpha's 428 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:10.920 and and it's just it's just atrocious and pathetic and weak and disgusting, and 429 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:15.640 all it is is a media friendly KKK. Now if we remember we are 430 00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:18.480 I think John mentioned, you know, or the twenties and the thirties, 431 00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:22.319 right, I forget who mentioned that, but that's who it was okay to 432 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:26.039 be part of those organizations at those times. That's all it is now it's 433 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:30.920 it's it's disgusting, and and the fact that it gets any type of gravitas 434 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:34.279 or media attention, UM, it just astounds me. Kelly, how do 435 00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:37.400 you feel about this? You're you're a muted kill. I did it again. 436 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:41.680 I was coughing because I've been dealing with that smoke. Oh sorry, 437 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:47.200 it's so sorry. Um you guys. I agree with everything that you guys 438 00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:52.599 have said so far, and you know, I really do not like these 439 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:55.960 people. And I thought I mentioned earlier on one to say something about the 440 00:30:55.960 --> 00:31:00.599 irony of them putting the Hitler mustache on this poor woman. These guys are 441 00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:03.680 neo fascists. We all know it. Some of these guys even have Nazi 442 00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:07.519 tattoos. We all know it. I've seen them. There's no denying it. 443 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:14.359 And it's like they use Hitler as a way to get people to turn 444 00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:19.359 against their opponents. It's like they know that people don't like the very person 445 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:23.559 that they are actually looking up to. And that's what I find ironic, 446 00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:27.319 because we all know who they really worship, we all know it, So 447 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:32.599 to use a tactic like that just goes to show you that they know they're 448 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:36.839 wrong. They know people don't like them, and that I found that really 449 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:40.880 really ironic. I have mentioned before a little bit about the Proud Boys and 450 00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:44.920 how they've been focusing on winning seats in like school districts and city councils, 451 00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:48.240 county boards, or at the very least showing up to meetings at health department 452 00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:53.920 public meetings and library board meetings in an attempt to inject their toxic ideas in 453 00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:57.640 the local government. Because they want to try to make it normal. This 454 00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:02.839 is their attempt to normal so they can spring board on to larger and more 455 00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:07.279 important offices. So when you see these women here doing this, this is 456 00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:12.440 awesome. Right two years ago, this strategy was working. It still is 457 00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.279 in some areas, but there's people like these women right here that did this 458 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:21.160 that are making it fail there too. Unfortunately, in my home area up 459 00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:24.319 here and way up in Michigan, it is working still. We've had a 460 00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:29.200 Proud Board candidate that got elected to our school board recently. I'm kind of 461 00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:32.240 bummed about that. But a lot of things have changed in the last two 462 00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:37.960 years, and the biggest one probably is the public becoming more aware of this 463 00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:44.160 going on and not letting it happen, right because they're seeing who these people 464 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:47.240 are they want to stop it from happening, and they're actually going out and 465 00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:50.319 doing it, and it's awesome to see it. How then you want to 466 00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:54.480 add something to it? Yeah, And what I found really like you mentioned 467 00:32:54.559 --> 00:33:00.000 the irony of like putting a Hitler mustache and on this woman, which fine, 468 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:05.519 Like it just shows the deputy and irony you know, of these people, 469 00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:08.279 because they are the worst of the worst. Um And the way I 470 00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:13.319 kind of look at it is that there these people are losing. That's the 471 00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:16.440 reality of it. I know that there's a lot of upcry about them, 472 00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:21.400 and they are infiltrating, you know, certain places of government, and we 473 00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:23.880 have to fight against it because the only way to make that um this is 474 00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:28.799 going We're going to defeat them. But they're in the death rows and because 475 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.240 and when you're in the death rows, you will do anything you can to 476 00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:36.880 hold onto a tiny little bit of bit imaginary power that you have, you 477 00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:42.319 know, And we're now starting to realize that if we let them bowl over 478 00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:46.599 what we consider democracy and things that are fair and equal for all people like 479 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:51.440 you have every right to be an asshole, but you can't force other people 480 00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:55.519 into your asshole ideology. And everybody else has not to that. Everybody else 481 00:33:55.559 --> 00:34:00.680 has the right to stand up about you being an asshole dude exactly. And 482 00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:02.640 I'm sorry to cut off, but that's right. I agree with you. 483 00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:08.039 So they're in this death rows and unless we do the work to make that 484 00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:13.320 not happen, they will bowl over. And the fact that this mama was 485 00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:16.519 like, h I'm not having that and gathered all these groups and was like, 486 00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:20.440 we're going to push them out because we do not want this in our 487 00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:22.760 school district, that's what does it. So, UM, kudos to her 488 00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:28.639 and all the amazing work her and all the organizations did, so I give 489 00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:34.000 snaps, thank you. It was great. Okay, I don't know who 490 00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:38.679 wants to take it. Who wants to take it? Two little comments real 491 00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:43.239 quick and yeah. And one of the things is that, um, that 492 00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:50.119 these people really quickly got experts in media coordinate, social media coordination and recruitment, 493 00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:54.400 the SRS or Save Writing Schools Network, starting a database of the people 494 00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:59.119 who are on the bad side of things, the neo Nazis and the proud 495 00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:02.159 boys and that so that they can recognize them when they're running for office. 496 00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:10.760 They successfully defeated an Altright candidate for school board by supporting the incumbent school board 497 00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:16.920 member with lots of you know, just campaigning and making sure everybody understood who 498 00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:22.920 they were fighting. And so this was really illuminating for me because I used 499 00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:25.480 to work in campaigns back in college and that it was part of my degree 500 00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:29.880 political science. And I can tell you that sometimes that stuff can get very 501 00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:35.079 elitist. But this kind of grass work, grass roots work almost always works, 502 00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.480 you know, and people don't pay attention to it enough. Bernie Sanders 503 00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:43.440 paid some attention to it, and he managed to do a lot of fundraising 504 00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:46.119 and outperform a lot of people with it. So it does work. There 505 00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:50.400 are examples of it, not just him, but other people who've done that 506 00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:53.199 and so, and even in areas that they are not the majority, there 507 00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:59.320 are still people in the Red States that will support this sort of So, 508 00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:01.840 hey, there's no reason to give up, you know, just just find 509 00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:05.800 the people you can find, do what you can do, and every little 510 00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:07.920 bit helps. So five minutes a week, ten minutes a week, like 511 00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:12.239 Kelly usually says, this is all you need to start stemming the touch. 512 00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.960 That's all we'll I usually say, a half hour or an hour a little 513 00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:19.480 bit more than five or ten minutes, but no me ten minutes. My 514 00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:25.000 attention goes, did you want to take this out? I'd love to, 515 00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:30.239 UM, just to kind of pin a little a little bow on what John 516 00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:36.440 was saying. UM. Giving time is I think crucial to sum up kind 517 00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:38.840 of these these last two discussions that we've been we've been going over and I 518 00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:43.559 know all four of us here give time. I know that for a fact, 519 00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:47.119 we all, all four of us give volunteer time to humanism UM on 520 00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:52.480 a on a weekly and sometimes daily basis, with a lot of hours. 521 00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:57.559 If it's you know, from I mean, I can't even go through the 522 00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:00.880 amount of things that Helen does, you know, or or John does on 523 00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:04.079 a CD or Kelly does on a CD and ACA or the amount of shit. 524 00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:06.800 I mean, seriously, all of us do a lot of shit and 525 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:13.199 and all of this or also have lives and families and businesses and significant others 526 00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:16.199 and shit like that. So it can be done, you know, and 527 00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:21.119 where you know, if you don't have that time, that's where money helps, 528 00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:27.559 you know. So I know from knowing the people who run the ACA 529 00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:30.800 that this is worth putting time and money into. You know, this is 530 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:35.280 worth putting effort into because people get affected, you know. So if you 531 00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:39.239 find something, I just encourage anybody listening to find somewhere, especially here here. 532 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:44.960 But if not here, find somewhere to put your time and or money 533 00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:49.760 into that will affect your life, maybe now or in the future, because 534 00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.159 I'm looking at my eleven year old daughter who stands up to people at our 535 00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:57.079 school and We've had to get vacation Bible School flyers removed out of the school 536 00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:00.360 multiple times after the call, after calling the tea and threatening them blah blah 537 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:04.239 blah, they finally got my point. You know, you can. You 538 00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:07.599 can change things, you just you just have to be loud about that shit 539 00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:10.159 sometimes. So yeah, that's all I got. Kelly thrown it back to 540 00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:19.000 you man. Well all right, Hunter, I'll throw it in there too. 541 00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.079 Oh no, no, yeah, yeah, she loves she loves it, 542 00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:25.480 all right. Well, thanks for grabbing that up for us there, 543 00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:30.440 Jason. And you know, do you know how to make arrangements because if 544 00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:34.559 you do, you can arrange to be in Austin on Sunday, June twenty 545 00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:38.320 fifth, consider joining us in the studio at the for the live audience at 546 00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:44.360 the ACA. Free Thought Library for live broadcasts of Talking Then and the Atheist 547 00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:49.320 Experience. Doors open at noon on Sunday. Parking is wherever you can find 548 00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:52.039 a legal spot after the lot is full. It's a pretty small lot. 549 00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:55.800 You need to get there early or you're gonna need to stay there late. 550 00:38:55.840 --> 00:39:00.000 The letter we can let you out, and if you can't make it there 551 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:05.159 this month, we will continue to broadcast live from the library the last Sunday 552 00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:07.360 of every month, so you can plan next month and throw the kids in 553 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:12.199 the back of the suv and all come on down. If you want to 554 00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:16.360 find out more about the live broadcast, you can keep watching this show, 555 00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:22.280 or you can check out the website at Atheist hyphen Community dot org for news 556 00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:27.039 and information as we expand the in studio offerings in the future. And have 557 00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:30.800 you ever said to yourself self, I really love I mean, I really 558 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:36.519 really love the content the ACA creates, but I wish there was a way 559 00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:37.880 that I could get it all the time. Well, you know what, 560 00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:43.039 self, I got you covered. Because you can check out the twenty four 561 00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:47.000 seven AXP TV live stream. You can tune in any time of day to 562 00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:52.760 experience a constant stream of shows, clips, specials from the twenty five or 563 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:58.079 twenty six twenty six seasons of the Atheist Experience. All you have to do 564 00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:06.679 is tune into tiny dot cc slash a xp TV live stream. I'm sorry 565 00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:10.400 a xp TV to forget the live stream. It's easier than that, and 566 00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:14.440 you can discover some of your or see some of your favorite hosts, and 567 00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:16.360 discover some of those hosts that you don't even know about. There's a lot 568 00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:20.280 of good ones from the past. I miss a lot of them, so 569 00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:22.679 yeah, go ahead and check that out. There's also a really good community 570 00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.559 of people that hang out in the chat room there. I hang out there 571 00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:29.360 quite a bit myself. It's a lot of fun. Go check it out. 572 00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.960 And our hiking guide for our next step down to Tennessee is gonna be 573 00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:37.719 Jonathan, So John, take it away. John, you are muted. 574 00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:43.679 I'm sorry. I'm gonna Kelly believe, I can't tell y'all a part anymore. 575 00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:51.639 All he's younger than me. Okay. But the down to Tennessee, 576 00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:58.000 they passed a ban on drag shows and it was a pretty extensive piece of 577 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:04.039 crap. The Tennessee d Drag Band was struck down by US District Judge Thomas 578 00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:10.079 Parker. Yeah, as unconstitutionally vague and substantially over brought. Simply put, 579 00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:16.239 no majority of the Supreme Court has held that sexually explicit but not obscene speech 580 00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:22.880 receives less protection than political, artistic, or scientifics. And since it also 581 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:28.679 has drags an art form and has been since the Bard, you know Shakespeare, 582 00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:32.039 where all women weren't allowed to be actors. So all the female parts 583 00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:38.079 in you know this early sixteen hundreds and late fifteen hundreds were men, and 584 00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:43.719 so drag is a part of our ancient culture as well. So it's just 585 00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:46.840 one of those things that that they said, Okay, this is art, 586 00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:52.320 you can't do this. And this judge was appointed by Clinton, so it's 587 00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:58.599 no surprise at this happened. However, his legal reasoning behind it is actually 588 00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:00.880 sound, of course, but he's actually a judge, not a shill. 589 00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:06.960 But I'm sorry, I shouldn't make opinions like that. Well it's just, 590 00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:09.840 you know, I'm just dealing with facts there. But the but I agree 591 00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:15.559 with the judge that this would not pass the smell test even with Scotus, 592 00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:20.480 even with Dream Court. So I think a lot of the other draconian laws 593 00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:27.719 like school prayer, attend commandments in schools. Other such draconian bs will meet 594 00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:30.960 similar faiths as they work their way through the court. And so I'm I'm 595 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:36.960 thinking these extremists will soon find out there are limits to how far the both 596 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.559 the American public and the judicial system will permit them to push the stuff. 597 00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:47.280 So I'm I'm very very happy that this happened. Now it's still under threat 598 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:52.840 by the Attorney General to Tennessee to take to appeal it up the chain of 599 00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:58.960 federal courts. But I think that if he thinks about it seriously, he'll 600 00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:04.320 find that not a lawyer, folks, but I think he'll find that the 601 00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:08.559 courts aren't real friendly to people who are trying to oppress people by passing laws. 602 00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:15.079 So by ignoring the bill right and designating certain people as an emotional thing, 603 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:19.559 they gave no real evidence that what they were claiming happens was happening. 604 00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:22.599 So and they can't because it's not it. So it's like boom, they 605 00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:28.880 said, you can't restrict an artist from doing his artist. So oh and 606 00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:32.159 so anyway, I'm going to pass this off to Hellam and see where she 607 00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:37.599 said. Yeah, So yummy, yummy, yummy, Yemmy AMMI, So 608 00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:42.000 I kind of love that. Judge Thomas Parker basically said, Okay, you 609 00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:45.599 want to band drag, but you don't have any like to stand on because 610 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:49.360 a lot of it, these bills are being passed into a lot of legislators. 611 00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:53.880 They're intentionally vague and they're too broad, so there's no actual thing they 612 00:43:53.960 --> 00:44:00.119 can actually point to to shows that is showing showing any real harm to the 613 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:06.400 citizens within the states or districts. And that's the point, because then people 614 00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:09.920 on the that don't like, you know, queer people or people of color 615 00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:15.800 or someone you know, whatever, it hops into their brains and they can 616 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:19.159 go like, think of the children, Think of the children, and everybody's 617 00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:22.960 like, yeah, well we are thinking of the children. And having people 618 00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:27.599 like dress and play dress up and read a book to kids isn't causing harm 619 00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.960 to them, you know, and like, and adults are smart. They're 620 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:35.000 not going to bring their kids to a gay to a gay club, to 621 00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:38.920 a draft show when you can't even get in if you're twenty one plus or 622 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:44.159 even or you have to be eighteen, you can't drink, So that's not 623 00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:50.559 happening. So I'm really really glad this Judge sought it for what it was, 624 00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:55.000 because it is just a nothing burger. They're just they're basically like, 625 00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:59.519 I don't like I don't like people that are gay, and I don't like 626 00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:02.800 dragt and I don't like anyone that isn't falling to this his sis normative. 627 00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:08.360 I want to make babies culture, and they were and they're terrified because, 628 00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:12.000 oh my goodness, like, what if someone dresses up in drag and I 629 00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:15.800 want to have sex with them? You know what does that mean? So 630 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:19.559 I'm like, I'm sorry, you can. I'm like, we've had drag 631 00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:23.559 since Shakespeare because drag means dressing representing a girl, which was wrote in the 632 00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:29.119 margins of shakespeare plays. So get over it. Drag exists, It's been 633 00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:32.000 around for a very very long time, and they're going to exist, and 634 00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:37.000 they are wonderful. So I am so glad this just cut down, especially 635 00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:40.119 while all the crap that's going on in Tennessee. So thank you, thank 636 00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:45.559 you, very very very much. So I'm very happy. So anyway, 637 00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:47.039 Kelly, I know you probably have an opinion on this. I know you're 638 00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:51.920 probably a little bit happy. I do. I have all kinds of things 639 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:53.440 to say I'm this one. Please tell me things. I want to hear 640 00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:57.000 things. Believe it or not. Well, I love the reason it was 641 00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:00.519 it was upheld by the or not upel by it, but reversed by the 642 00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:07.360 judge because it was unconstitutionally vague and substantially over broad. And I honestly didn't 643 00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:13.039 find that surprising at all. And when you talk to people, yeah, 644 00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:17.039 I think we've all seen people being interviewed at far right rallies on the inner 645 00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:21.440 tubes, and a lot of them will like, did everybody see the guy 646 00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:24.519 that was really against CRT He hated it, but you know, he didn't 647 00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:28.400 want to get into the details of it. But and then it turned out 648 00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.119 that he didn't know anything about it at all. He was sure he hated 649 00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:32.760 it. He couldn't define it, right, He couldn't define it. And 650 00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:37.840 that's what's going on here. They can't define this because if they did, 651 00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:43.280 it would be big a treat YEP. And that's the rub. And that's 652 00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:49.039 why all of these bills are probably gonna end up failing because there because the 653 00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:53.599 language is overbroad, it is unsubstantial, and they're not going to be able 654 00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:59.920 to figure out the language in a neutral way. Without being bigoted, and 655 00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:01.960 that's just going to kill the bill from the beginning by doing that. Jason, 656 00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:05.199 you have something you want to you want to add to that. Yeah, 657 00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:08.519 I'm gonna at two points. M one. I like what you said 658 00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:13.280 about the vagueness of the language, and I think with all four of us 659 00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:17.880 being active with ACD, we are very familiar with vagaries. I feel like 660 00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:22.960 we interact with them on a pretty consistent basis, and if people were to 661 00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:30.480 truly define and really admit what they're talking about, it would come out to 662 00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:37.559 be bigotry and is ms and hatred and ethnocentric, misogynistic, just trash. 663 00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:43.440 So that leads into the second point that I have is that in making these 664 00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:49.400 assessments now we're we're setting precedent right, so hopefully, like like we were 665 00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:52.599 saying, Kelly, this will be a trickle down thing that starts happening now 666 00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:55.239 or or whatever direction it fucking trickles, you know, I mean, so 667 00:47:55.639 --> 00:48:02.079 it becomes more like, yeah, like a happy explosion of non shittiness, 668 00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:07.480 you know. So, I don't know, I'm really impressed with with I 669 00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.719 say this. I'm impressed with the judge doing what was correct. I mean, 670 00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:15.719 I laugh at myself. That's like good job being a job. Yeah, 671 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:19.320 It's like, yeah, that's like celebrating a parent for feeding their child, 672 00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:23.880 right fucking so yeah, yeah, so yeah. I mean it's there's 673 00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:28.039 really not much to say on this. Again. I'm surprised that we're talking 674 00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:31.079 about positive things on the nonprofits. I don't really know how to like say 675 00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:35.639 too many things without ranching about shit that pisses me off and makes me want 676 00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:37.039 to throw my chair. Um, it's kind of hard for me, and 677 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:42.599 I feel unsettled right now. So I'm just gonna go ahead and uh pass 678 00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:45.559 it back to John and get some more of his feelings about the situation because 679 00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:51.960 I don't know how to how to not be mad about things. I'm having 680 00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:55.639 a hard time with it. Honestly, I've already I've already picked all my 681 00:48:55.760 --> 00:49:00.280 nails off and ground down two teeth. So yeah, Well, I just 682 00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:05.840 wanted to mention a few of the details here that I didn't go over. 683 00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:09.599 The Memphis based theater group Friends of George, which is a drag performing group 684 00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:17.599 and gave friendly and sort has a lot of LGBTQ type characters and performances, 685 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:23.960 and their statement that for proving that this causes harm, says it encols the 686 00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:30.440 lives of drag performing and seeks to oppress queer culture statewide. And that speaks 687 00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:34.320 volume about how this lawsuit progressed because it was nailing it on the head. 688 00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:37.519 You're trying to repress it, you're oppressing it, and I think when the 689 00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:40.960 judge had to consider that, he had to also consider that there's no reason 690 00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:45.920 for them, and so it became a big nothing burger. There's no there 691 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:50.480 there, and it's difficult for the state prove that the government has an interest 692 00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:54.320 in banning a group's artistic expression. And actually in another article that was actually 693 00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:59.440 said by one of the people from the theater or was it the judge. 694 00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:04.760 But then the opposition to this district attorney, they, you know, the 695 00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:09.199 guys who were named personally in the suit, had a lot of They managed 696 00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:14.239 to negotiate that the governor himself and the attorney general would be dropped from the 697 00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:19.559 suit, and they pursued the local attorney general doing dum. But all in 698 00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:22.639 all, it's a great victor for us. So it really is. And 699 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:27.960 it's as as you said, Jason, it's sets President Kelly absolutely on point. 700 00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:32.480 Sets President and it was so transparently simply bigoted. Good for us. 701 00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:37.000 So yell that back to you, Kelly, I think, okay, we 702 00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.400 can come right back to me. I don't have a problem with that. 703 00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:44.519 Um. I did check out the judge a little bit. Tommy Parker. 704 00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:49.760 It sounds like a good old boy named Tommy Parker. But he was appointed 705 00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:52.239 by Trump, which I thought was interesting. And I've met quite a few 706 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:57.159 people where I lived. I made a mistake, Mike, my County. 707 00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:00.679 My county voted seventy eight for Trump. So I've met quite a few Trump 708 00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:07.159 supporters here. And these pure blooded Trump supporters will believe anything that guy says. 709 00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:12.079 Whatever he says, it's the truth to them. So I'm wondering if 710 00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:17.000 people know about Trump appointing this judge, because he's obviously a good judge. 711 00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:22.199 If Trump said so and then he makes this decision that they're so far against, 712 00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:25.760 are the ers throughout the state of Tennessee going to be filled up with 713 00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:30.719 people who are no longer able to function mentally because they're suffering from such bad 714 00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:36.760 cognitive dissonance, Because that's what it would seem like to me, you know, 715 00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:39.000 I just thought it was just crazy that if you try to put all 716 00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:42.760 of this together, it doesn't make any sense to me. But the way 717 00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.599 that the right thinks some of the right people who have made who I have 718 00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:50.800 met in my area anyway, because some of them are really really far right, 719 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:52.519 Helen, you want to add something to it, yeah, And I 720 00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:55.719 also want to make a comment about what you said about, like, you 721 00:51:55.800 --> 00:52:00.800 know, Judge appointing Truma playing this judge and there's a little part of me 722 00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:04.800 that was like, well, this guy's a dumb dumb and let me see 723 00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:07.639 if I can finnacle show him that I'm a bootlocker. And then they put 724 00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:12.159 it's like okay, I'm gonna point you to the state gorge, and it's 725 00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:15.239 like, okay, I'm like, I'm gonna do my job exactly as I'm 726 00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:17.159 supposed to do my job. So you know, like it could be some 727 00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:21.000 of that going on, you know, I mean, like people do all 728 00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:22.719 kinds of things to get the jobs that they want. So you know, 729 00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:27.920 I'm not I'm not I'm not gonna poo poo on that at all, you 730 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:30.920 know, So I'm kind of like, Okay, maybe that happened. And 731 00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:35.880 I also want to point out to what this article really remind me of that. 732 00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:38.000 The law is the law. It does not matter what side of the 733 00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:42.599 line you're on that if there is a law that you know, and this 734 00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:45.719 is the job of a judge to look at the evidence presented, compare it 735 00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:51.800 to what is actually going on, and go, you know what the argument 736 00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:54.280 versus the evidence. Sorry, I said that wrong, And then they can 737 00:52:54.400 --> 00:53:00.840 go, this is nothing because this is too I'm constitutionally vague and I cannot 738 00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:05.000 give a proper ruling on it. So I'm so and that gives me hope. 739 00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:08.320 That's why we have a separation in this country. And unless you can 740 00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:15.480 show precedent or actually any new evidence that's causing harm, you can't pass something 741 00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:19.559 like this because drag doesn't hurt anybody. So there's been no cause of her. 742 00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:24.400 There's been no incident of drag causing harm except for biggest attacking drag queens. 743 00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:29.760 You're kidding. I know. That is so shocking. I know. 744 00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:34.320 So I'm just saying that, you know, I know it is. It 745 00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:37.119 is to a straight person like me, I know. I'm sorry. Well 746 00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:39.280 listen, I'm like, you're you're, you're you've caught the game. Now 747 00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:49.960 you're Yeah, there's dragon glitter and RuPaul's drag Drag Race and askless chefs just 748 00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:53.280 going forward. Just just embrace it. Embrace it anyway, Jason, my 749 00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:59.920 fellow queer, we've got do you get an opinion on how wonderful this is? 750 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:04.920 I'm I'm in such good this is. We've got this real good spot 751 00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:07.800 out here called Tony's Corner Pocket that has a drag show night and it's a 752 00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:12.519 lot of fun. Generally they'll couple it with like amateur strip night and it's 753 00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:15.239 a lot of fun there. Man. They've got a real great outside like 754 00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:19.280 a bar. Uh it's nice, like a cedar bar. We're real pretty 755 00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:21.719 out there, well, I mean outside inside just a party. Um. 756 00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:28.039 I just I'm I'm I'm cautiously optimistic, right you know. Um, I 757 00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:32.559 want to think that the law is there to work for people. I have 758 00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:37.119 a hard time believing that a lot of cases. But this, this is 759 00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:39.440 a little beacon of hope. I do like the idea of that guy, 760 00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:44.039 uh faking it till he made it and then doing whatever the fuck he wanted 761 00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:45.800 to do. I like that. That's a nice little, uh little myth 762 00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:51.599 that I could add to this story. That's okay, j Christian Christians do 763 00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:53.199 it all the time, you know, Christian Christians do it all the time. 764 00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:55.239 I'm good with it, you know what I mean. But but the 765 00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:59.280 thing that I think that really stood out to me is that there there was 766 00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:01.440 the admission that it was targeted, you know, and that it was obviously 767 00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:07.519 focused on a specific group, and it was focused on a marginalized group. 768 00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:12.440 And I think this guy was smart enough to realize that once we got out 769 00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:16.639 of this fucking stupor maybe that we're in right now allowing this bullshit, because 770 00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:20.480 I mean, think about it since the beginning, and I was, God, 771 00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:22.119 this is I just did a report, one of my last reports I 772 00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:27.679 turned in, I guess and may uh for for school. At that point, 773 00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:31.920 I think it was like four hundred some odd proposed anti LGBTQ plus bills 774 00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:36.039 have been proposed the United States. It's I feel like I'm walking around with 775 00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:38.840 a target on my back. This shit's ridiculous and and and it's I feel 776 00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:42.440 like my daughter's walking around with a target on her back, and my friends 777 00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:45.280 are walking around with targets on their backs, and it's it's just wild. 778 00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:49.000 But I also feel like that again I'm not I'm never optimistic, but I 779 00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:52.679 feel like this is almost like the death. I'm gonna scream until I die, 780 00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:57.159 you know, And I'm hoping that that's the case. And maybe maybe 781 00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:00.880 this judge had some foresight and knowing that like this isn't going to look good 782 00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:04.079 in a couple of years. Maybe they saw the trend and they saw how 783 00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:07.760 the tide was turning. And I mean, because if we continue pushing the 784 00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:10.159 way that we're pushing and we have visibility the way that we have with I 785 00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:14.480 mean, we need just more. We need it to be more normalized. 786 00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:17.440 We need media to be much We need RuPaul's drag race, like you mentioned 787 00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:21.400 like kind of kiddingly. We need that to be mundane. We need that 788 00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:24.280 to be boring. That needs to be just like whatever. Yeah like oh 789 00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:29.880 mom, dad, I'm gay. Oh okay, cool, Yeah that's great. 790 00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:32.039 You know, like people need to like just not care anymore. Like 791 00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:36.960 the world that I'm looking forward to is that I can like hit on somebody 792 00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:42.039 and no matter what gender or lack thereof, they're not offended. They're's like, 793 00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:44.320 all, thanks, I appreciate it. I'm just not into you, 794 00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:46.159 or you know, I don't like tall guys or something. I mean, 795 00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:50.360 I don't know, you know, or I'm not really into tattoos or something, 796 00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:52.159 you know, or I don't know, you know. I mean, 797 00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:53.679 it's it's at least I get like an honest answer to smell. I'll stay 798 00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:55.760 away from, you know. I mean, I don't know, you know, 799 00:56:57.119 --> 00:57:00.559 it's just weird. So maybe that guy had some foresight, or maybe 800 00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:01.960 the dude actually cares about the law, you know, and he saw how 801 00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:06.760 disgusting it really is. And uh, I know, living here in Texas, 802 00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:09.440 it's it's and working with oil and gas and working with the people I 803 00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:15.079 work with, and how openly homophobic they are with their language and other phobic 804 00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:17.440 they are with their language, and you hear in bombs dropped on a daily 805 00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:22.159 basis and other things like that. Um, the need for things like this 806 00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:25.000 happening in places like Tennessee and Florida and shit like that, it's that needs 807 00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:30.320 to happen because again, that's empowering. And we've been talking about visibility throughout 808 00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:32.760 throughout the segment or throughout the show, not just a segment, but throughout 809 00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:37.239 the show, and this is just another way to be like see see motherfucker, 810 00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:40.559 See it's okay. You're You're just stupid, and somebody cared about what 811 00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:45.440 you said when they really shouldn't have cared. So John, my, you 812 00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:49.760 know, my, my, my fellow partner and crime of being queer somehow? 813 00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:51.440 What do you what do you think about this? Man? You want 814 00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:53.440 to go and wrap this up? John, You're muted. My manager did 815 00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:58.880 it again. I'm trying to turn into Kelly, you know him. You're 816 00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:06.199 just morphing into you know, I have to start growing my balding's paid down 817 00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:08.480 to that. But yeah, I just wanted to say that, you know, 818 00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:14.559 when judges actually look at the law and how it applies and that it's 819 00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:19.320 supposed to apply equally equal treatment under the law, they find that a lot 820 00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:25.639 of these things are just indicated or directed at a oppressing or suppressing a group 821 00:58:25.719 --> 00:58:30.480 of people, and that that is starkly and totally against the Constitution. So 822 00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:35.119 uh, and you know, they always point to the you know, the 823 00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:37.360 First Amendment when it suits them, or or the you know, or the 824 00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:42.519 Second Amendment when it suits Uh. They don't even read things like the fourteenth 825 00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:46.000 And I'm kind of like, I used to carry a copy of the Constitution, 826 00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:50.880 the Amendments in my breast pocket, you know, just because people would 827 00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:55.519 be so ignorant of it that they just shocks me. But this judge knew 828 00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:59.760 exactly what he was doing. He knew what he's about, and there's there's 829 00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:02.239 no there there. Like I said, So it's no surprise the judge appointed 830 00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:07.480 by anyone would throw out the law. It's just not a surprise because under 831 00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:10.119 the law in the United States, they'd have to change the Constitution before they 832 00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:15.039 can get something like this to stand. The same thing about the church invading 833 00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:17.480 schools and things like that. It will all sort out. And the more 834 00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:22.360 it sorts out, the more these kinds of things will start to fade away 835 00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:24.960 because once they know they can't win with that, Yep, it's gonna fade 836 00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:29.119 out. So that's how I'm gonna leave it. That's good, all right, 837 00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:31.320 Thanks John. Before we leave, though, I run a quick note 838 00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:35.960 of federal judge in Florida appointed by Bill Clinton. So it is an old 839 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:38.480 dog to learn a new trick. Just put a stay on gender for the 840 00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:44.840 gender affirming care band for miners. Unfortunately it was only for three miners, 841 00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:50.440 but he did say that they would suffer irrreparable harm if not given the treatment, 842 00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:57.480 So hopefully that'll expand to more goods and I will take it. And 843 00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:00.599 I also, before you go, Kelly, just one, I think there 844 01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:05.360 are organizations like American Atheists that are keeping track of these bills and pushing against 845 01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:09.480 them. So keep that in mind when you're feeling a little bit frustrated about 846 01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:13.559 these things. So there are people behind the scenes that you're not thinking about 847 01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:15.239 that are keeping track of things. I'm sorry, I just want to get 848 01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:17.920 that Amy. That's fine, that's fine, thank you. Yeah, And 849 01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:23.280 now I want to mention that for the low, low low price of just 850 01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:28.159 ninety nine cents, that's right, just ninety nine cents a month, you 851 01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:31.480 can click click at the joint button below the video that'll give you access to 852 01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:37.159 special chat emojis and it'll make your name go from a boring black in the 853 01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:42.320 chat to a really cool Kelly Green. And you know, I was walking 854 01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:45.280 down the street yesterday and this guy ran across to me and he said, 855 01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:49.199 hey, hey, haven't I seen you on the nonprofits before? And I 856 01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:51.719 got all proud of myself and I was like, yeah, well, yes 857 01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:53.079 you haven't. He goes, yeah, I thought I saw you on one 858 01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:58.360 episode. I didn't like that episode, but I was wondering do you guys 859 01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:00.440 Someone emerged and I was like, oh darn, do we sell merch. 860 01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:05.480 We have got a ton of merch and if you go to tiny dot cc 861 01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:09.840 slash merch ACA you can find all kinds of cool items like T shirts, 862 01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:15.199 hoodies, coffee mugs, beanies, phonecases, toad bags which apparently they don't 863 01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:21.119 have in some parts of Great Britain. And all the ACA shows feature a 864 01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:25.000 special limit edition item every month, so be sure to check out our store 865 01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:30.760 for NP merchandise and merch from all the other Great ACA shows. Yes, 866 01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:35.239 folks buy our shit. It's really good their quality shirts. Check them out. 867 01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:40.119 And this month's special shirt is a half star book review of of all 868 01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:46.119 things the Bible, with a really good reason why the Bible only gets a 869 01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:50.880 half a star. So check it out, fans, it's really really good. 870 01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:53.800 And that is going to lead us into our last segment and we are 871 01:01:53.960 --> 01:01:58.679 gonna be stepping with Helen Green. Take it away, Helen. Yes. 872 01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:06.400 So this article comes from LBTQ Nation by John Russell. This was published on 873 01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:12.840 June second, and a school juristic bands the Bible after indiscent materials point. 874 01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:16.840 So there was a parent in Utah that was going through, you know, 875 01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:21.960 kind of want to respond to the book bands, and they thought that, 876 01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:25.559 you know, maybe we should report on the Bible and got a removed from 877 01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:30.360 elementary and junior high school. So I definitely have more to say about this, 878 01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:36.960 but I want to go since I want choosing a person. We're going 879 01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:40.320 to go to Kelly. Kelly, how do you feel about this article because 880 01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:45.880 you didn't tell me where I was supposed to go. Yes, that was 881 01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:50.800 my bed that I was working at it. But um, you know this 882 01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:54.400 is this is our second case of making the language too overbroad, isn't it? 883 01:02:54.599 --> 01:03:01.159 The sensitive materials and schools act bands pornographic or in decent quote unquote material 884 01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:07.199 and the Bible certainly fits that description. So you know, one thing I 885 01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:10.119 noticed about this when when I look at the list of these books that are 886 01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:15.320 being challenged and trying to people want that these people want banned, it seems 887 01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:20.920 like the only kind of sex day have a problem with our same sex relationships, 888 01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:23.599 And I thought that was kind of telling. I mean, they'be even 889 01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:28.599 banned same sex penguins for crying out lot. They weren't having any sex, 890 01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:31.599 they weren't doing anything, they were just raising a baby. Right. Oh, 891 01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:37.000 but I did check, I wouldn't look, and there is absolutely no 892 01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:42.800 gay sex in the Bible. So apparently that's what makes that book okay, 893 01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:45.840 right? I do you think there's an agenda there? Maybe? John, 894 01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:51.920 What do you think? Oh? My yes, this is kind of This 895 01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:57.000 is kind of a mixed a mixed feeling bag for me, and the reason 896 01:03:57.239 --> 01:04:01.239 is that I am an advocate for no book banning at all. I did 897 01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:06.639 find some information on it. There's a follow up article that I was made 898 01:04:06.679 --> 01:04:12.280 aware of just prior to the show that does have a comment from the FRF 899 01:04:12.639 --> 01:04:15.119 that they don't agree with book banning of any kind, but they wanted to 900 01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:21.840 illustrate how stupid book banning was by banning their favorite book. The oppositions, 901 01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:28.119 trust me, they are anyway. So the sequence of events is pretty telling 902 01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:31.400 as well. A plant was filed with the Review Committee, pointed by Davis 903 01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:39.320 School Distriview committee decided that the Bible does not contain sensitive material under Utah's HB 904 01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:44.360 three seventy four, which is the law against allows them to ban books without 905 01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:48.480 even having had the person wanting to ban them read the book or actually even 906 01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:50.480 look at that. They don't have to have ever seen the book. So 907 01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:55.320 literally, they can just judge a book by its cover, but they don't 908 01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:57.840 even have to see the cover. They just have to figure out that they 909 01:04:57.880 --> 01:05:03.639 don't like personally whatever reason, which is almost overwhelmingly are books that are contain 910 01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:14.519 LGBTQU issues or black issues or other racial issues. So the the next thing 911 01:05:14.719 --> 01:05:17.760 was the committee decides that the book would be removed from elementary and junior high 912 01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:24.360 school and kept in high school. The fr fr F is now challenging that, 913 01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:30.440 saying that that is, you know, they shouldn't have that even for 914 01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:34.280 high school students because various they gave eight pages of Bible quotes to them. 915 01:05:34.360 --> 01:05:39.440 Though you don't need any quotes from a book to get it banned by other 916 01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:44.480 people, but they gave like eight ages of this, and so they you 917 01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:47.320 know, and the law was And that's just to illustrate that the laws of 918 01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:54.079 bad faith effort to get the LGBTQ books and black authored books off school library 919 01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:58.159 show by not requiring the complainant to have seen the book, much less read 920 01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:00.960 it to point out what they object So, yeah, this is just it 921 01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:08.880 was a blatant attempt at just at censorship. And though the eight page list 922 01:06:08.960 --> 01:06:14.000 of biolensis is the parent involved that were unacceptable under the law. The parent 923 01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:17.559 involved could probably find but a scoche of overkill involved in that, though maybe 924 01:06:17.800 --> 01:06:24.480 they should. Utah Parents United, a conservative group that advocate for parental rights 925 01:06:24.719 --> 01:06:30.400 quotes in education, has led the effort to ban the books in schools everywhere. 926 01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:32.719 So we have a knowledge of them. Just some slight statistics. Now 927 01:06:32.719 --> 01:06:39.199 I'm going to pass this off. There were David school districts had complaints about 928 01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:43.519 fifty two books out of a total of two hundred and eighty for the state, 929 01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:48.519 so mostly about black and LGBTQ issues. So you can see that this 930 01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:54.199 is like this particular school district has had a lot of compared to the wrest 931 01:06:54.280 --> 01:06:57.840 of And I won't go in too. I was going to, but I'm 932 01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:01.639 not going to go into the fallacies and rhetorical devices involved in their bottleness. 933 01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:05.079 But because it's just so blatant obvious to any of us, if you really 934 01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:09.639 want to look it up, there's some websites for you can fallacies, rhetorical 935 01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:14.920 techniques, all of the ones that this latent tries propaganda. So, and 936 01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:19.000 I'm going to pass this off to Jason. I'm probably going to be the 937 01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:24.960 unpopular one of the groups today. I think this is a shame honestly, 938 01:07:26.039 --> 01:07:28.000 I mean, what are they going to do. They're just they're going to 939 01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:31.760 ban kids wearing crosses around their neck rosaries with a depiction of Jesus being crucified. 940 01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:35.000 I mean, the thing is a normalized, culturally acceptable belief, like 941 01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:40.519 to to remove Christianity out of out of I just I can't to me, 942 01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:44.320 the idea of banning a book to me playing the same game, the same 943 01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:47.760 dirty fucking game that these people are playing. I just feel like it where 944 01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:51.599 you're lowering yourself. I can't. I cannot get behind this one bit. 945 01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:56.559 It actually makes me mad. I think it's uh. I think it's just 946 01:07:56.760 --> 01:08:00.239 it's like it's like a typical movie situation to where the you, you know, 947 01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:03.119 you have the hero fighting the villain. You're like, I have these 948 01:08:03.239 --> 01:08:06.480 like morals I'm not gonna cross, and then it's like, actually I'm going 949 01:08:06.519 --> 01:08:11.000 to cross them now. But then he eventually becomes a ship bag too, 950 01:08:11.199 --> 01:08:14.719 right, So I don't. To me, it doesn't it's yeah, of 951 01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:17.680 course, like the good job, stupid Christians, blah blah blah. But 952 01:08:17.840 --> 01:08:24.640 like, honestly, it's it's it's terrible that any book ever gets banned, 953 01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:30.520 especially books about African American folks, about black folks, about about gay folks, 954 01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:33.119 about queer folks, about anything. It's terrible. It's disgusting. Um 955 01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:39.159 any religious book, it's all disgusting. And and of course they're just following 956 01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:42.800 the law and it's just the thing. But to me, the laws fucked 957 01:08:43.039 --> 01:08:45.039 and it's disgusting and it should be abolished and it should be thrown out. 958 01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:49.680 Any type of book banning is atrocious to me. Uh, if you continue 959 01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:54.560 to infantalize children, and especially middle schoolers, I mean, these kids are 960 01:08:54.680 --> 01:08:58.039 fourteen, fifteen years old, I mean, these these these kids are like 961 01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:00.880 I know, I know, I know children who are like doing DJ work 962 01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:05.920 on and like writing music on computers. My daughter's eleven and she's smarter than 963 01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:10.479 I. I mean, we're going to continue and fanalize them, and we're 964 01:09:10.479 --> 01:09:13.439 gonna use some type of thing and fight fire with fire. I don't know. 965 01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:15.960 I could ramble on and on about it. I just I cannot get 966 01:09:16.039 --> 01:09:19.760 behind it. And I'm actually kind of mad at FRF for doing this, 967 01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:24.039 and I cannot get behind this one bit. So Kelly, how do you 968 01:09:24.119 --> 01:09:26.479 do about this? I you know, I agree with you. I don't 969 01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:30.239 think any books should be banned. However, they made the rules. If 970 01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:32.720 the rules are going to be there, and they are and they're gonna ban 971 01:09:32.920 --> 01:09:35.960 books, I want this to be fair. That's the only that's it, 972 01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:40.159 that's all I want. I don't want any books banned. But if these 973 01:09:40.279 --> 01:09:44.319 people are going to make these rules to have these books banned, let's point 974 01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:49.000 out how bad this rule is by banning their books too, the same books 975 01:09:49.039 --> 01:09:53.920 that they think should be on the shelf that still fit the description of what 976 01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:57.800 they want to ban. And I think that's important, is that we're staying 977 01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:03.000 within the rules that they may we're pointing out the absurdity that they've put upon 978 01:10:03.119 --> 01:10:06.880 this topic. It's crazy, it's silly, it's stupid. And this is 979 01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:12.880 exactly why we stand up for a separation of religion in government. We need 980 01:10:13.039 --> 01:10:17.159 to stand up when biased laws based on someone's religious beliefs get in the way 981 01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:21.520 of personal freedom. I know it often looks like we're losing, but the 982 01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:25.479 courts have been mostly on our side. When you look at it, they 983 01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:29.640 were kind of see they have been just we're in Florida and I know this 984 01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:32.840 isn't a court, it's just a review, a school school board review. 985 01:10:33.079 --> 01:10:38.119 But if the review is on bias, the Bible has to go, just 986 01:10:38.399 --> 01:10:42.800 like the other books. I just want to want them to be treated fairly 987 01:10:43.079 --> 01:10:46.439 by this obviously fascist law. Helen, you want to take it like this 988 01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:50.760 is a this is a situay of a pomming cattle like, And that's the 989 01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:54.920 way I kind of look at it. Because they came in and they're like, 990 01:10:55.039 --> 01:10:58.560 Okay, we're going to ban all this book with sexually explicit material or 991 01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:02.720 you know, material that people uncomfortable, which is a point of some material, 992 01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:06.399 especially if you're coming from a privileged place, to get an idea of 993 01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:12.239 what is Because the idea of a book, especially one that gives you the 994 01:11:12.399 --> 01:11:16.079 experience and understandings of somebody else, it's supposed to develop empathy. It's supposed 995 01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:21.720 to develop a social better conscious awareness of where who you are and what your 996 01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:27.680 role is within society. And these parents were like, well, you're taking 997 01:11:27.760 --> 01:11:31.840 away things that have to do with my kids queer identity. You're taking away 998 01:11:31.960 --> 01:11:36.399 things that have to do with people of color, my child of colors identity. 999 01:11:36.520 --> 01:11:40.680 Now, if we're gonna play if we're gonna play ball. The parents 1000 01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:44.479 were like, okay, you want this book, and this book has incests 1001 01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:49.560 reality violent, you know, mass murder, genocide, all these different things 1002 01:11:49.800 --> 01:11:53.479 in that book, and everybody was saying, like, we don't want to 1003 01:11:53.479 --> 01:11:59.479 infestive material. So under their description of what should be banned, they are 1004 01:11:59.560 --> 01:12:02.560 like, I'm going to present it to school board and say these are my 1005 01:12:02.640 --> 01:12:06.000 complaints. So they're not. And I don't agree with Bible. I don't 1006 01:12:06.039 --> 01:12:09.600 agree. I'm one hundred percent with you, Jason. I don't think any 1007 01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:13.399 book should be banned. I think that any literature should be able to be 1008 01:12:13.520 --> 01:12:16.720 read and dissected and looked at for what it is. And this is kind 1009 01:12:16.760 --> 01:12:21.079 of what's happening here. And unfortunately, I wish it didn't came to playing 1010 01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:25.920 by these assholes rules, but the school district said, well, we're going 1011 01:12:25.960 --> 01:12:29.319 to play by these rules. And I find that very frustrating, but I 1012 01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:31.319 also understand that it's like, well, if you're going to do this, 1013 01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:36.000 we have to do this. And it's this holier than ass than thou ask 1014 01:12:36.159 --> 01:12:41.439 like freedom for me, not for thee. And according to the article, 1015 01:12:41.560 --> 01:12:45.359 last year, UTABH lawmakers pass HV three seven four, which requires public kay 1016 01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:49.760 through twelve schools to remove books containing pornographic or in decent material. Craig say, 1017 01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:54.359 the law has been used to remove books by mostly LGBQ plus and black 1018 01:12:54.399 --> 01:12:58.399 others from shelves, which we already discuss and they're December twenty two Bible Challenge, 1019 01:12:58.399 --> 01:13:02.600 a parent whose name and adress were doctor suggested that the HP three setting 1020 01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:08.119 form makes the bad faith process. So and I do agree, this is 1021 01:13:08.159 --> 01:13:12.439 in bad faith, absolutely, and they're using this against They're using this the 1022 01:13:12.520 --> 01:13:15.239 show that you're doing. You're using the show that you are. If you're 1023 01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:18.239 going to play by these rules, then everybody gets played by these rules. 1024 01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:23.279 So that's kind of where I am right now. It's frustrating. I agree, 1025 01:13:23.560 --> 01:13:27.479 but I think that we all have to be perfectly aware that if, 1026 01:13:27.760 --> 01:13:30.319 if, people are going to change things in certain school directs, so we 1027 01:13:30.520 --> 01:13:34.039 have to move forward. So, um, Kelly, do you want to 1028 01:13:34.079 --> 01:13:39.079 wrap this up before we close out? Oh? I know Jason had something 1029 01:13:39.119 --> 01:13:42.680 you wanted to say real quick. Sorry, no, it's okay. I 1030 01:13:42.720 --> 01:13:46.199 could ran for hours about this. You got a couple of minutes, go 1031 01:13:46.239 --> 01:13:49.319 ahead. I could have about thirty seconds for the thing I want to say 1032 01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:54.159 you got two minutes, go for it. I think I really wanted to 1033 01:13:54.680 --> 01:14:00.399 comment on the identity thing. Identity is purely a concept thing. Right when 1034 01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:02.479 we look at ourselves, we have our conceptual identity. We talk about our 1035 01:14:02.479 --> 01:14:05.680 gender identity, our racial identity, our ethic identity, these are these are 1036 01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:10.520 concepts. Of course we can tie them into real world experiences and things like 1037 01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:15.079 that, but the way we view ourselves identity is conceptual. So I would 1038 01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:17.880 argue that somebody's religious beliefs are part of their identity, that's how they view 1039 01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:23.600 themselves. So when whenever, and I am a staunch antitheist, just so 1040 01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:27.680 everybody understands, anybody listening, I think it's all fucking trash, all right, 1041 01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:31.800 I will gladly, I will gladly say that there is no God, 1042 01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:41.000 just whatever. It's crap that said there, that said there. This is 1043 01:14:41.039 --> 01:14:44.600 this people's identity, this is there, This is like I said, this 1044 01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:49.479 is a culturally this is a culturally relative like accepted belief that goes deeper than 1045 01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:57.039 religion. So even those stories that are I guess pornographic or whatever, that 1046 01:14:57.399 --> 01:15:00.079 they don't even see those things anymore. It's it's I know, I was 1047 01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:04.640 raised the evangelic cause fucking saturated with it, and and it's it's like you're 1048 01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:10.439 you're reading that, but like what you're reading is more metaphysical and more it's 1049 01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:14.279 it's not what it really is. So I don't know if that argument stands. 1050 01:15:14.439 --> 01:15:16.119 And I understand. I just that's what I'm saying. It's just tragic. 1051 01:15:16.159 --> 01:15:20.199 The whole thing is tragic that we would infantalize our children to this extent, 1052 01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:24.359 that that the book that they probably have ten copies of in their own 1053 01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:27.640 house. And I understand the absurdity of it. I understand all of it. 1054 01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:30.560 Maybe we highlight the absurdity, but I just think it's low. That's 1055 01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:32.279 all I really wanted to say. I think it's low. I think what 1056 01:15:32.359 --> 01:15:36.840 we're doing is stooping down to something and all Christians, and it seems like 1057 01:15:36.960 --> 01:15:42.720 most monotheists, because I know a lot of cool polytheists. Monotheists, what 1058 01:15:42.800 --> 01:15:45.560 they want is to be a martyr, and I think that's what we're providing 1059 01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:47.479 as martyrs. Cool. Thanks Jason, that was awesome. You know, 1060 01:15:48.399 --> 01:15:51.920 quick quick two quick updates. I saw in the news today, well not 1061 01:15:53.039 --> 01:15:55.920 the day we're broadcasting this, but the day we filmed it. Which was 1062 01:15:56.039 --> 01:15:59.840 last Wednesday, there was a protest at the Capitol in Salt Lake City with 1063 01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:05.079 over one hundred people protesting the Bible band, including several Republican lawmakers. They're 1064 01:16:05.239 --> 01:16:11.319 going to have to redefine what books they want banned, and I think where 1065 01:16:11.319 --> 01:16:14.640 do we go from there? We go back to biggoted language again. And 1066 01:16:14.920 --> 01:16:18.399 another quick note to end the segment, another complaint was recently filed against the 1067 01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:23.079 Book of Mormon as well in the same district, So we're probably going to 1068 01:16:23.119 --> 01:16:28.119 see that book possibly banned too in the future. Again, if you agree 1069 01:16:28.159 --> 01:16:31.039 with it, disagree with it, it's now happening terrible. And I really 1070 01:16:31.199 --> 01:16:35.199 enjoyed having this conversation tonight. I had a blast. And if you would 1071 01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:40.920 like to have more conversations like this, you can join our fans social media 1072 01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:44.520 outlets. You can find most of the nonprofit hole. 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