WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:05.599 Three years after a national racial reckoning following George Floyd's death, Americans, particularly 2 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:10.640 religious groups, remain divided on issues of race and discrimination. Pere Research Center 3 00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:16.000 data shows that white Christians, including Evangelicals, Catholics, and mainline Protestants are 4 00:00:16.039 --> 00:00:22.000 more likely to believe that claims of non existent non existent racial discrimination are a 5 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:27.760 bigger problem than overlooking existing racism, and contrast, Black Protestants, non Christian 6 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:34.079 religious Americans, unaffiliated individuals, and Hispanic Catholics believe that not recognizing racism when 7 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:38.880 it exists is the larger issue. These divides reflect the ongoing polarization within American 8 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:45.039 Christianity regarding systemic racism. Experts suggest that politics often shape these attitudes more than 9 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:50.520 religious beliefs, and addressing these divisions may require more spiritual approach. Multi ethnic 10 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:56.159 churches and leadership that promote racial reconciliation can play role in bridging these divides. 11 00:00:56.280 --> 00:01:00.439 This story is from Religious News, published on August twenty eight three. Aaron, 12 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:03.959 what are your thoughts? This is a really fascinating article. First of 13 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:08.159 all, that the stats they share are pretty eye opening. The uh eighty 14 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:12.319 eight percent of Black Americans, that's nine out of every ten Black Americans, 15 00:01:12.359 --> 00:01:17.519 fifty eight percent of Hispanic Americans, and sixty six percent of Asian Americans are 16 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:21.719 all saying that the bigger problem is not seeing racism where it exists. That's 17 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:25.079 a lot of people and the fact that on the other side, people that 18 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:26.560 don't experience racism are saying, no, no, no, no, no, 19 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:32.599 there's no racism. The bigger problem is you think there's racism. I 20 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:34.840 don't think so. When nine out of ten black people tell me that there's 21 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:38.000 racism and there's problems, I should probably should probably listen to. That was 22 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:42.640 nine out of ten people, right, And I don't understand what people's avoidance 23 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:46.159 of trying of talking about it and trying to solve it is. What harm 24 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:48.280 is that gonna do to you? How's that gonna hurt your life? It's 25 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:49.760 only gonna make it better. Because you make life better for one group of 26 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:53.519 people, it's gonna make it better for everybody else. One of the examples 27 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:57.719 I like to do I like to bring out for making something better for one 28 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:00.719 group and it makes it better for everybody is the American with the Abilities Act. 29 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:04.920 One of its requirements was wheelchair accessibility. So when you go to an 30 00:02:04.959 --> 00:02:07.799 intersection, with a sidewalk in the US, you have to have cutouts right 31 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:09.719 to those ramps so wheelchairs can get down into the street and back up on 32 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:13.719 the sidewalk. When you're in buildings that have stairs, there needs to be 33 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:17.159 ramps for people with the so that wheelchairs can get to other floors of the 34 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:21.439 buildings. And that's awesome. And you know who else, it's awesome for 35 00:02:21.639 --> 00:02:24.439 people that were maybe temporarily in wheelchairs, or who are on crutches, or 36 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:30.439 who have other temporary health problems. They what's that cyclists, cyclists, people 37 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:32.520 on bikes. It helps, and it can help in ways that you don't 38 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:37.759 even intend or see. When you help solve racism so that more people can 39 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:40.199 get into housing, when you solve racism so that less people are going to 40 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:45.000 prison, it's gonna it's gonna make it for better for all other groups of 41 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:47.199 people. I just think that there's there's no problem, there's nothing wrong. 42 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:51.879 We's trying to fine and address racism. I just don't I don't see the 43 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:54.120 problem, Jimmy. I think the obvious answer here is that the failure to 44 00:02:54.199 --> 00:03:00.319 address racism that already exists is much more of a problem than attempting to dress 45 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:04.719 racism that isn't there. On the one hand, you're avoiding a problem that 46 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:07.199 has plagued our society since its inception, and on the other hand, you're 47 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:12.479 attempting to curtail that problem that has plagued our society since its inception. I 48 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:15.439 think it's a hard pill to swallow for a lot of white people. I 49 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:20.159 can say that as a professional white person myself, many of us are inherently 50 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:23.879 racist. I heard somebody say that at a conference recently that I attended and 51 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:28.240 we discussed racism, and I thought it was a pretty good point, you 52 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:32.080 know, just having to look inside ourselves and recognize the system that we grew 53 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:38.520 up in the way that it oppresses other people. It also, i think, 54 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:43.800 in an exact reciprocation makes people into the oppressor, and so you have 55 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:46.759 to kind of go overboard when it comes to correcting that. And sometimes the 56 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:51.199 racism just might not be there, but it doesn't make you wrong for trying 57 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:53.560 to look for it. And this really isn't only a white problem, though. 58 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:59.639 I think we all have biases and stereotypes that we employ, and many 59 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:02.280 of us need to look inside acknowledge that we do have a certain level of 60 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:06.039 racism. However, white people probably do need to be a little bit more 61 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:11.400 sensitive with their thoughts, their words, and actions given the history that we've 62 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:15.719 inherited. And I'm not surprised at all that out of all of those surveyed 63 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:20.120 for this article, that the white people that were surveyed really were out of 64 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:24.560 touch with the levels of racism that exist, and that those that are not 65 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:28.480 white, well, they experienced it more than the white people. And so 66 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:31.360 that's no surprise to me, and I think it just speaks to the fact 67 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:38.120 that racism, and I think equality and justice in society is so lopsided towards 68 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:41.560 one group. And you know, Phoebe, actually it reminds me of a 69 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:45.800 segment that we did a few weeks ago where we were talking about kind of 70 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:48.240 a racist policy that was taking place in a district in California, and it 71 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:54.360 involves Southeast Asians. And you know, that district in California sixty six percent 72 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:58.759 Asian in Southeast Asian. The entire state of California thirteen percent Asian. And 73 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:01.160 so is no wonder that the these racial problems are taking place, and that 74 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:05.480 these these people that make up the large portion of that you know that specific 75 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:11.319 races population are the ones that can attest to it best. But our entire 76 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:15.519 legal system is founded on principles devised by, you know, men who rape 77 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:18.839 their slaves. And so none of this surprises me, and I'm of the 78 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:23.920 mindset that we do have to keep looking for racism are too correct. But 79 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:27.600 you raise an interesting point, and I think I raised in the discussion we 80 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:31.680 were having about California something Brittin the Hunter said, and as a brit it 81 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:35.800 resonates very well with me. He said, America does racism like an amateur. 82 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:40.399 It does it against people who look different to one another. Britain's gone 83 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:43.959 prone, it does it against people who look the same asu. I mean, 84 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:47.399 just as a context for this. In Britain, white on white racism 85 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:51.720 is a thing. There is a lot of discrimination and racism based in amongst 86 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:59.560 ethnically Anglo Saxon white people against ethnically white Irish traveling communities both white. But 87 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:03.759 the race, racism and the stereotypes are up the wazoo from the white English 88 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:08.879 towards the white traveler community. But I feel like I'm stating the obvious here 89 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:13.040 reading these statistics. I mean, I don't mean to sound surprised that a 90 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:15.319 stereotype has been proven here. But it's nice to have statistics to say that 91 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:21.199 the stereotype's been proven here. Shock horror, White people who sit there watching 92 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:25.639 Fox News listening that they are all going to you know, die from you 93 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:30.079 know, mythical white genocide. I will believe that racism is you know, 94 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:33.000 some non existent flash in the pan. And I mean, what kind of 95 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:36.199 thing were we expecting where they did this? Were they expecting, you know, 96 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:40.519 shock results that white people who sit in front of the Fox News all 97 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:44.319 day and listen to a pastor that shouts fire and brimsmon about how white people 98 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:47.759 come and are the greatest things since sliced bread with white Jesus and all this, 99 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:50.600 that and the other are going to say, well, you know there's 100 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:54.959 racism because I will write Jack, I will write Jack. I mean, 101 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:58.360 I feel like I'm sitting here looking at the most obvious of obvious things I've 102 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:01.600 ever sat sin. I mean, a racial minority who is a victim of 103 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:05.199 racism is going to say that actual racism is a real thing, whereas a 104 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:10.839 racial majority who doesn't actually experience racism, you're going to say that racism is 105 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:14.279 a thing. I mean, we now have statistics on it. I mean 106 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:17.720 blatant as the I hate to say it, as the resident non white person 107 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:25.439 on this tunnel. I'm professionally Black Jewish, so I'd look at this and 108 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:28.680 like, I think it has to be the result of like just the whole 109 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:32.920 no truth Scottlan Scotsman stuff. There's no other way that the Black Protestants, 110 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:39.600 non Christian, religious Americans, unaffiliated individuals, Hispanic cat all these groups. 111 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:43.040 There's no way, I mean, but thankfully they're in the majority here, 112 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:46.720 but no way that they can believe along the same lines as a group of 113 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:51.199 people whose beliefs are like antithetical to their existence outside of religion. Like you 114 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:55.879 can regree on a religious part, but everything outside of that is just polar 115 00:07:55.920 --> 00:07:59.560 opposite. And I know the workaround with that is the no truth Scotman like. 116 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:03.040 They're not real Christians, you know what I mean that anybody that was 117 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:07.199 raised Christian like I was, we know that's the work around. That's how 118 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:11.199 you get your head wrapped around these weird relationships. But me personally, I 119 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:15.399 remember when George Floyd died. I remember the feeling in the pit of my 120 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:18.759 stomach when I watched them take his last breath. And there are humans that 121 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:22.600 live amongst us that watched that and their first thought was, we don't know 122 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:24.800 the whole story. There were adults that woke up the next day and they 123 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:28.839 were posting memes of a man being murdered with the caption, can't do the 124 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:33.480 time, don't do the crime, can't do the fake dollar bill and the 125 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:37.360 traffic ticket, So therefore you should go. You just play with your life, 126 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:43.919 I mean make money. I mean that's ridiculous. I think any person 127 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:46.759 would think that was ridiculous. You would think. But like, even with 128 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:52.080 that said, ignoring the irony in that statement, because if he had been 129 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:54.879 given the time instead of being murdered, we would have never known about it. 130 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:58.799 There would have been no national outcry. It just would have been someone 131 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:01.879 that went to prison for committing a crime that happens every day, and nobody 132 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:05.600 cares the problem with someone's life being stolen for a crime that was so petty 133 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:09.960 that it could have been resolved with change left over from lunch. Those same 134 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:16.600 people are later seen, like recently celebrating will just say pro life issues so 135 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:20.240 you can watch someone be murdered over a counterfeit twenty dollars bill and celebrate that, 136 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:24.679 but in the same breadth celebrate pro life issues. Does that make sense? 137 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:30.000 Then? I can't expect people who have that sort of reaction to a 138 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:33.120 tragedy and that sort of trained of thought to see anything that doesn't directly impact 139 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:37.120 their lives to care about racism. And you have to think about what the 140 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:41.200 people in these communities are usually spoon fed on a daily basis. It's usually 141 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:48.159 some right wing propaganda's confirming their bias and their fear based on opinions. And 142 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:52.240 of course they think that people imagining made up racism is the real issue here 143 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:56.080 because that's what they're being repeatedly told, that they're the real victim, and 144 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:58.759 that's what it does to the brain. Like we're dealing with the population of 145 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:05.440 peace people that believe that being replaced and their rights are being threatened every time 146 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:09.159 someone who doesn't look like them, or think like them, or believe like 147 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:13.159 them, or believe in the same psycho sky wizard. Every time one of 148 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:18.120 them gains rights, you lose rights. But these people, again are missing 149 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:22.240 the irony and saying that there's no racism or privilege for certain groups because their 150 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:28.759 fear of people gaining equal rights is apparent. If you fear equality, that 151 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:31.639 means you recognize that you have an advantage to be protected. That's all I've 152 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:35.960 got to say on that, I have an addition. I have an addition 153 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:41.320 to that. So the blatant, the point about the memes struck me. 154 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:46.519 You know, it wasn't just meme that people people were doing or creating. 155 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:52.159 That people would go out and openly let everybody else around them know what their 156 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:56.159 stance was, particularly on this issue, and so not so proudly. But 157 00:10:56.399 --> 00:11:01.000 around the same time that this happened, I ended up moving to Florida, 158 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:05.320 and while I was living in Florida, a lot of people, a lot 159 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:07.840 of people tried to figure me out, tried to figure out if I was 160 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:09.879 one of them, if I was one of them, or if I was 161 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:13.919 somebody else, And so they'd have to bring up this issue. Meanwhile, 162 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:16.759 I don't even know them. I wouldn't even ask them to get my mail, 163 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:20.360 and they want to talk to me about how they feel about George Floyd. 164 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:26.159 This happened repeatedly, repeatedly, and exactly, and you know what those 165 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:31.639 memes, those memes were litmus test as well, because I think that those 166 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:35.039 people wanted to see what kind of responses they got, to see who their 167 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:37.840 people were, you know, and see what, pardon me, who was 168 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:41.840 on their crown? Yeah right, exactly, and and to see, you 169 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:45.480 know, maybe they're not the only ones, you know, And and I 170 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:48.279 could kind of relate because I, you know, we do it as atheists, 171 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:50.360 you know, I want to know who the other atheists are. Right 172 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:54.240 when everybody's at a work function or something, and everybody's got their head kind 173 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:58.159 of bowed and they're all doing their prayer, Me and the other atheists are 174 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:00.600 looking around like, oh, hey, you know, there's my folks. 175 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:03.759 But in reality, this is, you know, it's kind of an ugly 176 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:09.039 thing. Because all that to say, I think that people really do recognize 177 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:11.559 the level of racism, even if they want to deny it. And as 178 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:16.799 a white person, I don't like having the history that I have. You 179 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:18.759 know, I don't like what my ancestors did. I don't know if my 180 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:24.320 ancestors actually did any of that my particular bloodline, but it doesn't really matter. 181 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:28.679 It doesn't matter. I have benefited from the society that they created because 182 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:31.679 of how I look. I will say I'm the only bald guy on this 183 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:35.639 panel, so I do experience. I do experience some things that you all 184 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:41.799 know is trying trying. You can go read go read the YouTube comments if 185 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:43.240 you want to see how many people call me the bald guy. Okay, 186 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:46.480 but I'm sorry, I'm adding a little bit of humor to this. It's 187 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:50.639 not it's not funny. But I do think that people are not willing to 188 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:54.919 recognize how much racism there actually is, and I think they know more than 189 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:58.320 they let on. But I'm gonna I'll go something. I'm put someone's an 190 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:03.399 English Paris Barrison. He said the following, I don't see grace even though 191 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:07.919 I'm a black man. It's just a while creating divides amongst people for the 192 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:13.080 sake of it. Yes, okay, this colleague of mine like to indulge 193 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:16.559 in the South American marching powder. But what do people think of his sentiment 194 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:20.480 as that coming from a non white person, Aaron, I mean, I 195 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:24.960 think I enjoy the sentiment behind it, but it's not reflective of how the 196 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:31.159 world really works. I'm glad you don't see color. Unfortunately a large majority 197 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:35.720 of the people do see color, and they behave accordingly, and they vote 198 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:39.440 accordingly, and they treat other people that way. So we can get to 199 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:43.519 a point in our country where we value character over skin color, where we 200 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:48.440 seek out honest and good people and kind people, where we value those things 201 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:54.600 and we don't support people that are being dishonest and crooked and just seeking power. 202 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:56.519 Then maybe you can have a leg to stand on where you don't see 203 00:13:56.559 --> 00:14:01.360 color. But I'm glad and also I'm glad that you personally might not see 204 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:03.960 color, but you still need to recognize that there are a lot of people 205 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:07.039 in this country that do, and we have we have some work to do 206 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:09.120 to combat that. But I mean, what do you think of his sentiment? 207 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:15.200 What do you think of his sentiment though that it's just an artificial dividing 208 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:18.159 line that we decide that we're going to divide people. Well, I agree, 209 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:20.480 I think it is artificial. But we have all sorts of artificial dividing 210 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:24.080 lines that we just create. We have. Religion is artificial dividing lines. 211 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:31.039 You mentioned earlier about the traveling folk in England versus Anglo Saxon non traveling folk 212 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:33.799 in England. That's that's an arbitrary dividing line, you know, Protestant versus 213 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:37.679 non Protestants, that's a dividing line. We're very tribal, and when we 214 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:43.440 identify example of that, and when we find our tribe, we will do 215 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.519 almost anything to protect that tribe. And I just instead of I would like 216 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:50.799 our tribes to be a character. Who we are, who we are, 217 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:54.240 how we behave, how we treat people, those should be the tribes that 218 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:58.279 we we gather around. So it always struck me whenever he used to say 219 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:01.679 it, because he would say it with I missing from what you were saying, 220 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:05.519 but it would always come across as ironic. But he would also quite 221 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:09.080 casually make the same jokes that you would expect a racist white person to make 222 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:13.720 about you know, other races. It's like, I won't repeat any of 223 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:16.639 them here, But it's just seeing it from a different perspective, because as 224 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:20.960 someone who has usually only seen it from it being a one way street in 225 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:24.559 this case, it's always struck me as slightly odd. And has anyone else 226 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:30.519 blatant Jimmy, have you ever encountered someone who has been that kind of an 227 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:33.840 individual? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I know plenty of black people that 228 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:37.960 honestly don't like black people. That's that's the first thing. But even along 229 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:41.879 those lines of I don't see color all one like. Cool. Go tell 230 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:46.120 that to the cup that just choked somebody up. Cool, Go tell that 231 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:50.159 to the politician that's making laws based upon race. Cool. Like you know 232 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:54.000 what I mean? Like, I get the sentiment. It's beautiful, everybody's 233 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:56.600 far and rainbowed, it's lovely, awesome. I get that, But that 234 00:15:56.679 --> 00:16:02.159 doesn't reflect reality. So once it becomes the reality, then we can have 235 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:06.320 a conversation. But until then, you are living in an alternative fact world. 236 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:11.600 So I have my opinion on the whole I don't see color thing, 237 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:15.600 and I do appreciate the sentiment. I have a trouble believing that that that's 238 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:18.960 something like that can actually be true. I think we all do it, 239 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:22.480 right, I do, And I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with it. 240 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:26.720 If you're not unless you're not willing to overcome it, unless you're not 241 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:32.759 willing to recognize it and fight past your own biases, that's where the problem 242 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:37.200 comes, right. I just think kind of it's just an informational thing. 243 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:41.120 We kind of just create these characters. We create these personalities and people in 244 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:45.120 our heads the way that we think they are, and we have to when 245 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:49.039 that happens, recognize up, I did it again, and move on past, 246 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:52.879 you know, and kind of just give others the benefit of the doubt. 247 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:56.240 But to say that you are incapable of that happening to you, I 248 00:16:56.240 --> 00:17:00.000 think is a little bit disingenuous. But what I would say, I think 249 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:03.399 I think we farted enough rainbows on this topic. And if you want to 250 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:03.440 see more, click here.