WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.840 --> 00:00:04.679 Thank you for choosing to download the ham Radio two point zero audio podcast rip. 2 00:00:05.280 --> 00:00:09.039 This is the audio taken out of a video or a live stream I 3 00:00:09.080 --> 00:00:13.039 did recently. You can catch all my videos on YouTube ham Radio two point 4 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:18.280 zero and catch us live every Sunday night at seven pm Central Standard Time for 5 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:22.359 a different topic each week. Thank you for the support, and thank you 6 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:35.159 for being a member of the community. Okay, I don't know Frank finished 7 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:40.479 your night, but he was live. I hope you guys caught his live 8 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:49.840 stream that he should be wrapping up right about now, and he was talking 9 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:55.039 to the guys from the Go Kit Challenge, which happens here in North Texas, 10 00:00:55.039 --> 00:00:59.159 and it's going to be this coming Saturday, so a week from yesterday. 11 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:03.600 Okit challenge, And it's the first time I'm going to be attending that 12 00:01:03.759 --> 00:01:07.280 this time. And it's the first time I'm going to be able to attend 13 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:11.280 that live because it does not fall on HAMSI weekend, which I'll be at 14 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:15.120 the following weekend. So that that's that's gonna be a cool thing. Come 15 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:19.560 out to Highland Village next Saturday for the Go Kit Challenge. If you want 16 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:22.799 more information about that, go catch Frank's live stream that he just finished. 17 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:26.879 Glenn, thank you for the super chat buddy, thank you for the support. 18 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:32.400 Special shout out tonight to all the folks in Green Text YouTube channel members. 19 00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:34.040 I saw Andy in their way early. Of course, it wouldn't be 20 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:38.560 a live stream of Andy Wooden in there like two hours before in ed I 21 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:42.879 see a C three I k rather is in there. Henry to Crusader, 22 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:46.959 thanks for joining us, guys, Kady nine w XO, thanks for joining 23 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:56.000 us, Tom Wayne, ted w There's a Joe in there and a couple 24 00:01:56.040 --> 00:02:00.239 others. Yeah, thanks for thanks for being out here. Tonight is in 25 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:02.280 the chat? Has this Cigarzo sent me? So is O sent me? 26 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:08.240 When Kylin and I went to Connecticut a few months ago last fall, sometime, 27 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:13.000 I bought a bunch of stouts locally and I gave him to Donna, 28 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:15.479 said hey, I'll send you a shipping label. And I forgot and he 29 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:16.360 hit me up like a week ago and he's like, hey, do you 30 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:19.000 still want this beer? Is it good? I was like, oh, 31 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:21.159 yeah, it's good. It's a stout. They're all good. So I 32 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:24.240 sent him a shipping label. Now I'm drinking straight from Connecticut to stouts tonight 33 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:30.319 Peanut butter and fluff flavored stout from New England Dreams. New England Dreams, 34 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:35.479 I guess is Woodland Farms Brewery. I don't know what New England Dreams is. 35 00:02:35.479 --> 00:02:37.759 Maybe that's the name of the style of something I don't know, but 36 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:39.639 anyway, peanut butter stout tonight is the first beer I've had in a week 37 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:45.240 and a half. So cut cut back a little bit once the new year 38 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:47.120 started. So thanks for joining is to thank you Donn. He sent me 39 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:51.000 a really good cigar as well, and I smoked that yesterday. It was 40 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:54.159 good, all right, So guys, one thing real quick. I was 41 00:02:54.199 --> 00:02:59.120 out of town for the last week, week and a half almost. We 42 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:04.199 got back home yesterday, spent uh. Went to Galveston a week and a 43 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:06.400 half ago, spent a couple of nights there. Went to the Houston ham 44 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:10.599 Fest last weekend. That was a fun show and stayed through the weekend and 45 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:15.560 through next week, uh through the following week which was got to do some 46 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:21.080 parks on the air and that kind of stuff, and so thanks for thanks 47 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:23.360 to those who worked me on parks on the air. Took my wife out 48 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:30.199 to do her first first parks on the air on Friday, two days ago. 49 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:32.639 On Friday, So I've got something. Something fouled up with the logging 50 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:39.080 software and I got it was logging. I was logging for her and it 51 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:42.479 was logging as my call signed. So I got to put it through ady 52 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:46.319 if Master and fix all that. But that's easy. It's easy to do. 53 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:49.919 But during that time when I was out of town, all of the 54 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:54.520 Edfong antennas came back into stock. I've got Edfong roll up J poles or 55 00:03:54.560 --> 00:03:58.280 that's the dual band and PVC J pole. I've got the roll up J 56 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:01.159 pole and I've got the GMRS no band version back in stock. So those 57 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:04.000 are back in stock on the website. You guys can go check that out. 58 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:09.800 I'll share the link in the chat right there. And because i've been't 59 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:12.199 gotten a lot of emails, a lot of dms from people saying what about 60 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:15.080 ed fonginten is when are they gonna come back in stock? And just with 61 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:17.199 my traveling and everything, I just and he he ran kind of short on 62 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:20.360 supply there for a while, but I think he's he started shipping again and 63 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:24.199 they arrived when I was out of town. So that's where that is. 64 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:28.759 But just wanted to share that real quick. So tonight we're gonna be talking 65 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:32.959 about M seventeen. M seventeen is the newest as far as I know. 66 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:36.759 I think it's still the newest because it's not even really out yet. Kind 67 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:40.279 of sort of we're gonna get I'm gonna get the guys to explain it to 68 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:44.439 you. So it's the newest digital voice mode in amateur radio, and it 69 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:49.000 is on an open source codec called CODEC two. So we did the first 70 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:51.439 I went back and looked that up. Those of you who are on my 71 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:56.040 email list, I went and looked up that that first live stream I did 72 00:04:56.079 --> 00:05:00.279 with Steven ed it was in twenty nineteen. Yeah, ninth, No, 73 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:03.959 it was twenty twenty one, twenty twenty one, and and I linked that 74 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:08.079 and they went through and they explained everything with M seventeen. So I linked 75 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:10.279 linked that in my email. I'll find the link and I'll share it with 76 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:12.720 you guys here again a little bit, but I'll get them to give a 77 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:15.240 very brief overview. But this is not going to be a hey intro TOM 78 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:17.839 seventeen, here's what it's all about type thing. We're going to talk about 79 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:20.839 the latest and greatest updates to it tonight. So let me bring uh, 80 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:24.560 let me bring them in real quick. Make sure I click on the right 81 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:28.000 button here and get that going. Hey, guys, what's going on. 82 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:32.680 Good evening to everybody. Hei you doing, Jason Chip, first time on 83 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:35.360 the stream, buddy, how are you? I'm well, Jason. Thanks 84 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:40.240 for having us. We appreciate it. Man absolutely, yeah, Steve Ed, 85 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:43.240 how are you guys doing. I'm doing great. How are you going 86 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:46.600 good? Right? Well, it's it's not cold anymore. It was sixty 87 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:49.759 five today, which I didn't think was too bad. It was sat outside 88 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:53.040 on the on the back porch, and I can't complain with that. I 89 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:58.040 just got back from the Virgin Islands literally like not long ago. Wow. 90 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:01.519 Yeah, Now back in Minnesota, Oh my gosh, yeah, no, 91 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:04.759 thank you. Oh, that's that's that they out of. They ought to 92 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:09.639 be a jail sentence for somebody. If you if you commit a crime in 93 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:13.399 Version Islands, you got to go spend a month in Minnesota in the winter, 94 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:17.680 in the winter, in the winter. Yeah, that's uh, that's 95 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:20.279 that's terrific. Well, thanks for joining us tonight, all three of you. 96 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:26.439 I know that I know that you guys got some really cool information for 97 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:29.800 us, and and I just learned that D will be at the you guys 98 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:32.160 are going to be representing M seventeen there. I assume a couple of weekends 99 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:36.360 from now at at HAM size. Is that right? No, I'm I'm 100 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:39.720 just going on my own. I think it's Oh are you okay? It's 101 00:06:39.759 --> 00:06:43.240 great program. I'll have some some teen swag, some stickers and stuff. 102 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:46.920 If anybody'll be there, good, Okay, I will be there. I 103 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:49.879 already have my plane tickets booked and awesome. We'll be up there for for 104 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:54.680 the the third or fourth time I've been to the HAMSI conference. So it's 105 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:57.560 a fun, fun event. A bunch of stuff that's over my head, 106 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:01.120 but it's fun to listen to regardless. So all right, why don't one 107 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:03.560 of you, I don't care who does it? Who whoever wants to give 108 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:08.480 us a very brief two or three four minute overview elevator pitch about what the 109 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:12.319 heck M seventeen is something a little bit more expanded on when than what I 110 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:15.399 just said. Then we'll kind of dive into the to the next stuff from 111 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:17.120 there. Steve, I'll start real quick. Yeah, go ahead, all 112 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:21.279 right. So M seventeen was started in Poland in twenty nineteen by SB five. 113 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:30.920 WWP this guy right here, boycheck, he's so sexy. He's uh. 114 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:33.360 You guys at your you guys at your faces. Everybody at Orlando thought 115 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:36.959 edded something to happened to because they had Ed's face on their hamside on their 116 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:41.680 M seventeen table in Orlando. It's funny. Go ahead, man, I 117 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:47.079 got a lot of condolence texts for recovery. Oh my goodness, that's great. 118 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:53.519 So it was started in twenty nineteen in Poland by Void check. He 119 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:57.319 uh. He was looking for an alternative to the the current digital modes that 120 00:07:57.319 --> 00:08:01.160 were out there. At dmr D Star Diffusion. Everybody was using some sort 121 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:07.639 of a commercial codec, so we started experimenting with CODEC two, which was 122 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:13.600 created by Dave David road Down in Australia, another Ham radio operator, so 123 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:16.199 he started playing around with that. He designed an open source HT called the 124 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:20.639 TR nine at the time. So back in twenty nineteen, there were some 125 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:24.959 pictures of Voicheck on the internet. ABE six Nu I think covered the story 126 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:28.040 first, and it was just a bare board HT that he had. It 127 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:33.679 was just a couple of PCBs, and he started throwing that out there on 128 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.679 Reddit and some of the social media platforms, and he started gaining a lot 129 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:45.600 of interest in it, and he picked up Steve as one of the first 130 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:50.840 members besides Voychek, one of the first in the group. I came along 131 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:54.120 about a year or so later, and since then it's grown into a community, 132 00:08:54.159 --> 00:09:00.799 worldwide community of like minded individuals who were getting back into the the spirit 133 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:05.919 of making and breaking and experimenting with ham radio, just like our forefather fathers 134 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:09.360 before us. So we've been playing around with a lot of hardware, a 135 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:16.840 lot of software, tweaking the protocol and yeah, that's pretty much. Yet, 136 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:22.840 are you still running net control for that weekly net ed when I can? 137 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:30.879 I've been a little negligent in my duties, but we run a weekly 138 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:35.879 net every Friday at seventeen thirty seventeen hundred hours UTC. And remind me. 139 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:39.039 There's a piece of software you can install on a Linux box. It might 140 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:43.600 be available for Windows, but that you can just use to talk into the 141 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:48.200 seventeen network. I forget what that is though, Voice M voice. Yeah, 142 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:52.320 so you can run invoice on a Raspberry Pie with a USB headset and 143 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:56.519 you can get into the net. Cool. Okay, awesome, Well, 144 00:09:56.519 --> 00:10:01.240 thank you, thank you for that explanation. Looking forward to seeing what you 145 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:05.519 guys have have changed tonight, because I know there's been some cool updates since 146 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:09.960 Steve has got an HT to show us that he showed us some minute to 147 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:11.679 go. But I got to say hi to Frank because I don't want him 148 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:18.039 yelling in the background like he does. So what's up, Frank? Not 149 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:20.720 Not much, man, not much. I love seeing y'all's booth this year 150 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:26.519 over at Orlando. It was a great booth, and I will tell you 151 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:31.879 it scared the living crap out of me at first because I got though and 152 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:35.720 they had Edge's picture I know, you're just talking about it, and they 153 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:39.399 had a black curtain around it, and I was like, what happened? 154 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:45.000 What happened to Ed? What happened? They're like, oh, no, 155 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:48.759 that was that was a total accident. We didn't put that black you know, 156 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:52.799 tablecloth around it or anything. It just happened to be there. That 157 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:56.240 was. Yeah. I mean I kind of asked the same thing. I'm 158 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:58.039 like, is there a story here? No, he just couldn't make it 159 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:01.279 this weekend. I was like, oh, okay, good. I wanted 160 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:03.200 to swing back around, and I was asked one of the guys. I 161 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:05.480 forgot who it was. I was like, let's do an interview, but 162 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:09.840 you just hold Edge's picture up and just talk through the picture of the entire 163 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:13.720 time. That's good. That awesome, awesome. I don't know if I 164 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:18.960 could do the accent correctly. You can't. You can't do it, Steve, 165 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:24.960 and I can do it because that's where we're from over there. Yeah, 166 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:28.919 Steve has that very subtle accent that you don't really notice until he starts 167 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:37.320 talking about cars and they get and it really it really comes out. Yeah, 168 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:39.440 it's like, damn, dude, Now I want to for some reason, 169 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:46.279 I want to Sam Adams. I don't know why. Yeah, yeah, 170 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:50.799 good, all right, So uh so, uh well, Steve, 171 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:52.519 why don't you go ahead and talk about this, uh this icon radio? 172 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:56.480 Sure? So, well, we've got okay, so we've got that, 173 00:11:56.799 --> 00:12:01.159 and let you talk about that, and then we've got this little thing and 174 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:03.679 and I know at one time, at one point in time, and we 175 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:07.200 can talk about this a little bit later. I know that Bob at our 176 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:11.799 Finder had was working with you guys on doing an actual RF module in the 177 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:13.759 r finder device as well, So I don't know where the status is on 178 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:16.639 that. Maybe we could spend another maybe we could spin that up on another 179 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:20.200 live stream and invite Bob on as well. But but yeah, show up 180 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:26.399 Bob's fun, Bob's fun. I always get really good comments because Bob, 181 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:30.799 Bob and I have a banter we do, and people email me after that 182 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:35.320 they're like, dude, that was funny. Do that again, Like, 183 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:37.519 okay, cool, we'll do that a good But yeah, Steve, go 184 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:39.320 ahead to show us that icon radio and tell us tell us all about what 185 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:46.320 you what you're working on with that. So if people haven't been following along 186 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:50.720 with us on Discord, that's where a lot of our development actually happens at 187 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:54.360 least, you know, the talking and everything like that. Everybody develops on 188 00:12:54.399 --> 00:13:01.000 their own machines and everything. But Manuel over in Belgium, he's helping develop 189 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:09.159 the micro seventeen, which is a add on module that you can put inside 190 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:15.720 and existing radio. So we're targeting radios such as the Motorola GM series. 191 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:20.759 I think over here it's a CDM series basically like the old WAREUS modems or 192 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:26.120 Radius modem modems. Radios and you know, there's there's places that you can 193 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:33.200 put like an additional board for digital signal processing inside them. But Manuel over 194 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:37.919 over there in Belgium, he actually came into possession of a handful of different 195 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:45.159 types of ICOM radios, which are the they're kind of older idass radios. 196 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:50.360 They're they're digital you know radios that the Icon started making, and it's based 197 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:56.000 off of NXDN, So it's a it's an older NXDN radio kind of like 198 00:13:56.039 --> 00:14:00.919 the first implementation of what they had, I believe, and uh, inside 199 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:05.519 those radios is actually a module that can be put in and turn the radio 200 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:09.960 into a digital you know, digital radio. Right now, they're I mean, 201 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:13.360 they can either be analog or digital. But in order to enable that 202 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:18.320 digital mode, there's a there's a little signal processing board that goes inside. 203 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:24.279 And so the idea is to have a module that can go inside this radio. 204 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:28.360 And this is the this is one of them right here. It's kind 205 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:35.039 of fuzzy because I'm blurring my background, but this is an Icon F forty 206 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:41.279 one D. It is a commercial you know, off the shelf eyed ass 207 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:46.799 radio. But this has the ability to have that little module built in and 208 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:50.360 do all that digital signal processing. So we're sitting so Manuel's like, well, 209 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:52.919 let's test it out and see what happens. They have a little breakout 210 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:58.600 board that they were able to wire a Module seventeen into a First they did 211 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:09.080 a which is I believe the thirty thirty sixty something still an ICON. Yeah, 212 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:11.440 it's still icon. Yeah, it's the same family radios that they have. 213 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:16.919 And then they have an HT version. So they've tested on the mobile 214 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:22.000 version first with a Module seventeen and it sounded amazing. There's some videos on 215 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:28.720 YouTube that show the development process that Manuel and his team there over in Belgium 216 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:33.639 worked on in order to get the radios to modulate M seventeen with an off 217 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:37.279 board modem. So they basically took an off board modem, plugged it in 218 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:41.240 using a breakout board inside the radio. They got it to work. So 219 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:46.960 then they tried it with an HT and that worked as well. And then 220 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:52.879 I'm not even going to bother trying to say his name, but there's another 221 00:15:54.120 --> 00:16:02.600 fellow that developed the actual board that goes inside the the UH goes inside these 222 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:07.960 radios. His call sign is TA one MD and he actually did the development, 223 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:15.679 actually created the board and now we're actually producing like engineering samples for us 224 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.200 through PCB way. They should be here in about a month, and then 225 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:23.240 we're basically just gonna plug it into one of these blurry radios see what happens. 226 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:30.159 So this will be one of the first modified modified and is kind of 227 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:33.720 a loose term that we're using, but it's going to be a modified radio 228 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:38.360 that will do M seventeen without actually having to solder or anything. There's a 229 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:41.200 couple of jumpers that you have to cut. I think there is one jumper 230 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:45.480 that you have to solder, but that's super simple, and then you just 231 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:51.279 plug the module in and then with the firmware that's being developed, probably going 232 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:55.799 to be open RTX, you'll be able to do M seventeen right off of 233 00:16:55.799 --> 00:17:00.200 an old, you know, icon NXDN radio. And I was just telling 234 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:03.320 Jason earlier, I said, look, if if you want to buy the 235 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:06.400 radio, you can buy the radio. It's not it's not super expensive. 236 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:11.200 And even if the whole I'm seventeen thing doesn't really come to fruition, which 237 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.440 I believe that it's very strongly going to happen. I mean, don't don't 238 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:18.920 get me wrong, but even if like through the whole development process. It 239 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:22.279 takes a whole lot longer. You know, you still got a nice little 240 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:26.519 NXDN radio, so you know, it's no big deal. But yeah, 241 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:32.359 that's that's the latest and greatest thing that kind of caught everyone's attention. But 242 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:33.559 we do have a few other things that are going on as well. So 243 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:40.160 good, Okay, how far do you want me to go? No, 244 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:44.759 we can. We can pause there for a moment. Some people are asking 245 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:47.839 for for the link to your discord. So if you guys will share that 246 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:52.319 with Frank in the zoom chat. You can't you can't post r ls in 247 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:56.680 the YouTube chat because of spammers. I haven't turned off right, but Frank 248 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:00.599 can. Frank. Frank has admin access to the to the chat, so 249 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:03.319 put it in the zoom chat and then Frank you can drop it into the 250 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:07.559 YouTube chat. But so some people are asking for the for that, and 251 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:12.839 then Jody wants to know, is there really any real obstacle to adding M 252 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:18.799 seventeen board to any radio that can also do nine k six aprs ninety six 253 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:26.000 hundred ninety six ninety six hundred bod Yeah, I think is what do you 254 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:32.079 mean? Basically, that's just describing the fact that you have direct discriminator access 255 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:36.839 as well as being able to modulate straight through without going through any sort of 256 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:41.920 signal processing on the board. And generally, yes, if it is ninety 257 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:45.559 six hundred BOD capable, it should be able to. But there's a lot 258 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:53.200 of radios that are out there that are described as ninety six hundred BOD capable, 259 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:59.599 but it's only for what is it the g G something r u H 260 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:04.480 protocol, which is is kind of like a forty eight hundred BOD you know, 261 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:11.559 modem over the air, and it's not wide enough for M seventeen. 262 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:17.039 So M seventeen has a nine killer hurts wide signal, and some of these 263 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:22.839 older ninety six hundred radios don't have that bandwidth available. So as long as 264 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:29.400 the modulation or the deviation parameters on the radio are at least you know, 265 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:32.200 five killer hurts, it should be okay, because I will give you ten 266 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:37.680 killer hurts across the you know, the actual bandwidth path path. For the 267 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:41.559 most part, we've been having great luck with the YUFTM six thousand dual bander, 268 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:47.519 which is I think it's sub three hundred bucks, So we've had really 269 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:51.279 good luck with this. So the Okay, so that I've got that one 270 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:55.400 in a little go kit that I take out with a It's in a tech 271 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:57.480 prepper Man pac go kit and I take it out when I go camping in 272 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:00.200 RV and I put it up with the with the ed Funk J pole. 273 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:04.880 So that's an AD on board for that radio for the Module seventeen. You've 274 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:07.880 seen it. We've advertised it at a bunch of the shows you've been to. 275 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:11.559 I do recognize that I didn't realize it worked it or I'd forgotten maybe 276 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:15.759 it worked in that radio. Yeah. You can pick up the newest version 277 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:19.799 of this actually right on Lilygo and with the the LCD screen in it. 278 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:25.000 It's under forty bucks. Nice. Okay, Well I'm gonna have to. 279 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:27.519 I'll see if I get Frank that link. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 280 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:32.799 I give Frank that link too. Basically nothing else. A lot of 281 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:36.160 people are like, well, why don't you have a mo A radio compatibility 282 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:40.400 list, I mean there's already ones out there. If it if you can 283 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:45.559 modulate DMR on the radio, you can do N seventeen. Yeah. The 284 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:52.279 parameters are pretty much the same, and DMR actually has stricter parameters than any 285 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:56.039 other mode. So I don't want to say DMR is like the gold standard 286 00:20:56.079 --> 00:21:02.559 for you know, the my parameters and everything like that. But because of 287 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:07.720 the way that DMR is modulated, it has these really strict parameters that it 288 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:11.680 has to be compliant with. So if it can do DMR, then it 289 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:17.759 can do M seventeen. And Brandmeister actually has a list of radios that have 290 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:23.359 been tested and generally that list also follows with M seventeen. Okay, okay, 291 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:26.960 excellent. I got to click on that myself because I definitely want to 292 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:32.599 add that to my You can buy one. No, I never did. 293 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:38.119 I never did buy one of those. I don't remember why, but you 294 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:41.680 know what I did do. I bought so So there was a gentleman. 295 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:45.680 I don't think it was Chip here, but it was somebody he was taking, 296 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:49.079 uh was it an MD three eighty or three ninety, and then modified 297 00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:52.240 himself. You could order it from him? Oh for you? Is that? 298 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:56.640 Mike? Yeah, Mike, Mike, Yeah, he's a man. 299 00:21:56.960 --> 00:21:59.839 And I ordered one of those, and I waited like two to three months. 300 00:21:59.880 --> 00:22:00.920 I got this email from him. He's like, guys, I'm sorry, 301 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:03.799 I just got inundated with orders. I'm refunding everybody, and he did, 302 00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:07.799 yeah, and I told him, I said, you can keep mine. 303 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:08.680 Just I don't really care how long it takes. And I just I 304 00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:11.559 think he stopped doing it. I don't know what. I don't know what 305 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:15.200 the status of that is today. But uh, yeah, I was looking 306 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:19.039 forward to getting something that that was hacked by somebody other than me. But 307 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:22.960 uh, you know, but yeah, so I know it's been available on 308 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:26.039 several different models of radio in the past, so but I I never have 309 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:29.759 bought one of those boards. But that's that's awesome. That Now does this 310 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:34.279 this this module seventeen board for the how does that connect? How does that 311 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:37.319 interface to the FtM six thousand or to any other radio? Do you have 312 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:41.880 to do you have to take out a board and saw it or something? 313 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:48.559 Is it just right through? Oh? Okaytor okay. You basically buy the 314 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:52.799 Yasu cable with the bare end and then solder up to the D nine. 315 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:57.839 Gotcha? Okay, okay? Do you have a list of radios that that 316 00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:03.839 board will use or it can be used with. So we've we've tried it 317 00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:07.519 with the the yu FtM six thousand. We've had the most success there. 318 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:12.640 Tony down in Australia, he has his hook No, does he have his 319 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:17.559 hooked up to the eight eighteen? I think I don't know if it's an 320 00:23:17.559 --> 00:23:22.119 eight eighteen seventeen, but some of those sebody in the community uses one of 321 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:29.160 the eight seventeen, eight eighteen and uh the V the V seventy one from 322 00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:36.720 Kenwood and I think all of those radios have the dB twenty five port in 323 00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:41.839 the back. What about your uh, your monobandalinkos that are really popular with 324 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:45.920 the all star crowd. You ever tried that? So I have a pair 325 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:51.920 of the linkos. I haven't actually tested it yet. There is some caveats 326 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:55.240 that I've heard about as far as you know getting the ninety six hundred BOD 327 00:23:56.279 --> 00:24:02.480 working on those radios. I just haven't tested it yet, okay, And 328 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:06.839 Frank, I just put it a link to the radio compatibility list. Those 329 00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:11.599 are the radios that we have actually tested in the lab to work, or 330 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:17.559 others have tested in their you know, homes and whatnot to verify that they 331 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:21.279 work. And if there's any sort of special notes there, they're right there 332 00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:30.880 in the list with a radio model. Good okay, Oh yeah, that's 333 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:33.799 a nice list. Yeah, yeah, okay, there's a number of radios 334 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:38.000 on there that that's impressive. Right, Yeah, so get your Redivus t 335 00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:47.400 y ts uh four different icons seven six two g I light mode, my 336 00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:52.640 eyes, my eyes, my face, just that a whole lot brighter here. 337 00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:59.480 Yeah, it is light mode, that's true. The more people that 338 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:03.799 can help out, the larger that list can get, you know what I 339 00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:10.160 mean, the more the contributors that we get, that list can can grow 340 00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:12.839 over time and that and that's the goal. That's really the goal. Absolutely, 341 00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:17.839 absolutely, We're always looking for developers. We're looking for more people to 342 00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:22.279 build the community. Chip is probably one of our newer members of the community, 343 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:26.640 of the team. It's fault too. He's the one who recruited me, 344 00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:30.440 picked him up like a stray cat. Nobody wanted to talk to this 345 00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:34.160 guy and said, I'm afraid of that guy, but I'm going to reach 346 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:38.200 out anyway. And look what we've built. I mean, it's amazing, 347 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:42.880 it's amazing. Yeah, So let me go ahead and talk about a couple 348 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:47.880 of other things that are that are here. I'll get I'll get to you 349 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:52.079 know, why chips here in a minute. But Kay, there's so Ed 350 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:55.279 did a really good job of explaining you know, where we came from. 351 00:25:55.319 --> 00:26:00.200 But moving forward to the future, the project is going to be not just 352 00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:04.440 hardware and software. We want to build a community around the ideas of open 353 00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:10.480 source hardware and software and amateur radio. There seems to be a lot of 354 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:14.559 you know, a lot of people talk about fragmentation out there and whatnot. 355 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:21.720 We want to kind of gather all of the stuff together and be that central 356 00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:26.960 source of information and help and development and innovation in amateur radio. So we're 357 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:33.960 growing out of just being a protocol and just hardware modifications to being a much 358 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:40.000 larger group of individuals that are like minded want to see improvements in amateur radio 359 00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:45.200 from amateur radio operators, not just the commercial vendors that are out there force 360 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:51.160 feeding us, you know, hardware and closed software. So with that in 361 00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:57.880 mind, that's why Chip is here. Chip actually started developing his own i'll 362 00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:03.279 say fork of pie Star, and you know, he had a dashboard that 363 00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:08.200 you know, improved upon what was available from pie Star, and it's now 364 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:18.279 grown from that to a much larger and independent distribution for hotspots and repeaters and 365 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:21.759 Chip, if you want to go ahead and you know, talk about a 366 00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:23.920 little bit of what you do, then that'd be great. But yeah, 367 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:30.240 Chip joined us last year around October. Yeah, so yeah, M seventeen 368 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:36.839 SOPSD has been. I started it in around twenty twenty, and it was 369 00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:40.680 a it was a fork of Andy's Wonderful Pie Star. And by the way, 370 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:44.160 Andy and I actually worked together can In fact, I talked to him 371 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:48.279 yesterday. I mean we still worked together, sharing each other's code and whatnot. 372 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:55.039 But some of the changes I made were just so wholesale that it just 373 00:27:55.119 --> 00:28:00.119 warranted its own It merited its own fork years ago. And one of the 374 00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:04.519 things that was important to me was the native M seventeen implementation. That was 375 00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:07.759 that was a very very big thing to me because you know, thirty years 376 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:15.440 in it retired now, and most of those thirty years was just implementing open 377 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:21.240 source types of software protocols things like that. So the M seventeen thing was 378 00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:25.759 really important to me. And so, you know, one of the WPSD 379 00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:30.160 firsts was that the native M seventeen support, and that was that was pretty 380 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:36.359 awesome. And then it was Ed last year. I think he reached out 381 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:37.680 to me and said, hey, you know, you should be part of 382 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:42.880 the whole M seventeen team. And then the rest is history. We all 383 00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:47.839 just clicked. They said, hey, we'd love to have you as part 384 00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:55.000 of the overall umbrella. So WPSD became a subproject of the M seventeen project. 385 00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:59.359 So it was it was really the perfect marriage, just because you know, 386 00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:02.880 you could search my name out there. I've been doing open source for 387 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:07.200 so many years, the Apache project, Linux Kernel, FreeBSD, all of 388 00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:12.079 it. It just it just kind of made sense, and it's actually been 389 00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:17.440 a really cool thing. And like Steve said, it's it's building a community, 390 00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:22.519 and it's building this this whole overarching thing. It's it's really difficult to 391 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:26.680 explain. Sometimes it's just not a protocol like Steve mentioned, and I fully 392 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:33.240 agree with that, it's this whole ecosystem where it's there's no vendor lock in, 393 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:37.559 there's no codec lock in, there's there's just all kinds of cool stuff 394 00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:41.680 going on. And the really cool thing too, is and I got to 395 00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:45.039 give props to Andy Taylor from Pistar is you know, he's also been doing 396 00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:48.359 the same thing as of late as well. You know, he's updated his 397 00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:53.119 stuff to implement native M seventeen. He and I have been working together. 398 00:29:53.359 --> 00:30:03.319 He's using some a wpsd's code. We're making this much larger ecosystem that actually 399 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:07.599 benefits thousands and thousands and thousands of him radio operators across the globe, and 400 00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:11.480 we're really proud of it, and we're seeing the growth. We track the 401 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:22.160 growth and it's it's really exciting. Hey, thanks Ed for We don't know 402 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:29.200 what he's thinking for I know Ed ed broken. Yeah, okay, yeah, 403 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:33.160 I was wondering if that was on my side, but on Chips side, 404 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:36.200 yeah, Chip your your zoom's going a little bit. And now there 405 00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:38.400 at the end the rest of the most pop interesting all right cool? Well 406 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:44.240 yeah, well you're the man, Ed. You know. He and I 407 00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:45.759 grew up pretty close to each other, and he said, you need to 408 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:49.839 join this project. So I did and everything just clicked from there and it 409 00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:55.039 was the perfect marriage, so to speak. So I'm appreciative because it was 410 00:30:55.079 --> 00:31:00.799 a one man show and now WPSD has hosts of contributors and developers. I 411 00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:04.440 couldn't do it by myself and now we have a team, and it's just 412 00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:07.759 it's been really really it's been a lot more fun. It's been a lot 413 00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:12.559 more fun. It's definitely a great community. We are bringing in people from 414 00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:18.880 all different parts of HAMM Radio, all different parts of computers, and we're 415 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:23.599 getting the hacker a maker group of people to take notice of us as well. 416 00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:26.799 And that's where the future of our hobby is with the hackers, the 417 00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:33.279 makers and awesome projects like open rtx and M seventeen and free dv you bet, 418 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:37.680 you bet awesome? Is it? Well? Two questions I have Number 419 00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:41.279 one, what program you guys said you're looking for developers? What programming language 420 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:47.440 are you primarily working in? C plus plus is mostly what we use. 421 00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:53.920 The reflector software is written in C plus plus. M REFD but that's a 422 00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:57.599 reflector software. I'm sorry. M Voice is written a C plus plus. 423 00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:02.680 All of the m M d v M stuff I believe is C plus plus. 424 00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:07.319 That's correct, Okay. MM DVM is kind of separate, but we 425 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:13.599 use a lot of their, you know, software for development in the in 426 00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:17.680 the in the community, there's a few people out there that are working in 427 00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:25.279 Python, myself and a bunch of others. There's uh some rust programming that's 428 00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:31.920 going on, some go laying stuff that's happening as well. Obviously for the 429 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:37.799 hotspot, you know, the dashboard stuff that's uh in PHP right now, 430 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:43.759 but it may change if I can get up off my button actually start getting 431 00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:47.319 That means Steve and I both because we both have goals for the dashboard. 432 00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:52.960 We'd like it to be a lot more portable and self contained. That's a 433 00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:58.440 very very large goal for us. But dashboard for for for the new pie 434 00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:04.799 Star, or the dashboard for something specific to seventeen for WPSD for WPSD yeah, 435 00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:07.240 okay, yeah, And Steve and I are both go Lang guys, 436 00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:14.279 and I've done some proof of concepts. It's it's a large, large effort 437 00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:19.160 to port that into something like go Lang or rust. But the goal would 438 00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:22.720 be for that to be as portable as possible, so it can run on 439 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:29.119 anything anything. Yeah, no weird dependencies. It's just a binary that runs 440 00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:35.119 on anything. Is it accurate to say that you can with with the the 441 00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:39.920 WSP I'm sorry, WPSD or whatever you call it. Sorry, that's an 442 00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:45.319 acronym challenge. The new version of pie Star that includes seventeen, can you 443 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:49.599 cross connect so I can use a DMR or as system fusion radio to talk 444 00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.640 into an M seventeen reflector and get on the net. Is that a thing 445 00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:54.880 yet? So? Not quite yet, and I'm gonna let Steve go. 446 00:33:55.240 --> 00:34:00.680 I'm gonna let Steve talk about this because there are copyright things to talk about 447 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:04.359 here. So there's there's a lot of people have asked that question, and 448 00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:07.440 it's a good question to ask because it's like, you know, you have 449 00:34:07.639 --> 00:34:12.480 this one mode that's you know, coming out, it's brand new and everything. 450 00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.599 There's there's a handful of people that are using it on a regular basis, 451 00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:19.360 but everybody else is still on d m R or Fusion or P twenty 452 00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:23.079 five or d Star or whatever. And unfortunately, when you're on one network, 453 00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:29.840 it's hard to talk to the other. There is no direct way to 454 00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.039 get from M seventeen to d m R, at least not on a hot 455 00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:38.599 spot. There's a lot of licensing that's involved. A lot of people talk 456 00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:44.119 about the patents. You know it because DMR uses a CODEC called AMB two 457 00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:49.199 plus or NB plus two two plus two plus two yeah something plus anyway, 458 00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:52.920 it's it's not a codec that's compatible with what M seventeen uses, which is 459 00:34:52.960 --> 00:35:01.039 CODEC two. Amby is the intellectual property of dvs I, and they license 460 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:07.039 out their codec to whoever wants to implement their voice codec into you know whatever 461 00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:12.039 protocol. It's not just DMR, it's not just P twenty five for fusion 462 00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.400 or anything. There's a bunch of protocols that use dvsi's voicecodec. Correct. 463 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:22.920 And because there's no interoperability between CODEC two and m B two plus, you 464 00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:30.599 can't directly cross mode between the two. There are methods on doing this, 465 00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:34.920 and a lot of it has to deal with well minor plugged in right now, 466 00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.599 but I have a couple of thumb DV sticks from Northwest Digital Radio. 467 00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:44.679 I plug those into a computer and I run a reflector that actually transcodes between 468 00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:52.079 the two modes actually quite quite well. And that's the legal way of doing 469 00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:58.119 it. There is a software based vocoder that will do m B two plus 470 00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:01.440 and it will run on a PIE, but the legality of it is very 471 00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:07.320 very questionable, correct, And that's why we just don't distribute it with WPSD. 472 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.360 You know. Yeah, we leave that up to the users if they 473 00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:15.559 want to compile that stuff and you know, get that transcoding working on a 474 00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:21.239 software level, because it's literally using hacked firmware. Uh am, I correct, 475 00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:27.119 Steve, isn't it using like the Yeah? So I'm doing this stuff 476 00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.159 for free. I'm a fifty year old retired it guy. I don't I 477 00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:35.800 don't need the I don't need the legal stuff coming after an open source Yeah 478 00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:40.320 exactly, So no thanks, But yeah, Steve hit the nail on the 479 00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:44.480 head. It would be really cool if we could do it. But yeah, 480 00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:50.719 DVSI, you know, they're they have an incredibly wonderful, robust business 481 00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:54.400 model. I mean, every single rig you buy that's using digital radio, 482 00:36:54.519 --> 00:37:00.800 whether it's YSF, DMR, I mean, you're you're paying that as a 483 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:05.400 consumer. You're paying those licensing fees because of course those are passed on to 484 00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:09.519 the consumer. The manufacturers are just going to pass that on. I think 485 00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:15.199 the going rate is like fifty to seventy five dollars per per unit these days, 486 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:21.440 is what you're what you're paying as a consumer. So yeah, that's 487 00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:24.119 why your digital radios are a little bit more than some of your some of 488 00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:28.800 your analog radios a little bit. So yeah, we have to we have 489 00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:37.480 to be really really careful with with some there is you have to be really 490 00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:40.800 careful with our internet connections. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why. 491 00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:45.239 Yeah, Okay, go along with what Chips saying, Yeah, that it's 492 00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:52.239 you know, we're just so people and yeah, oh now you're now your 493 00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:54.360 audio is lagging behind your video. I think he's done. Okay, go 494 00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:59.760 ahead, go ahead, Steve. Yeah, So it's not necessarily just about 495 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:05.559 patent. It's about copyright and intellectual property. So even though a patent may 496 00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:09.599 expire on something, the people that wrote the code still have a license on 497 00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:14.679 that code. So even though you can you may eventually be able to freely 498 00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.360 implement the voice codec, you have to write the software yourself. And unfortunately, 499 00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:22.159 there are no open source versions of AMBI two plus. I mean, 500 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:27.239 there is an open source version of amby the old AMBI and old imbe, 501 00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:30.840 but the one that everybody's using now, there's there's no open source for it. 502 00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:34.639 So somebody would have to write it in order for it to be a 503 00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:39.199 legal comply legally with you know what's out there. So when when the patent 504 00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:43.199 expires, if it expires, then somebody has to write something for it. 505 00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:46.599 Gotcha. Okay, well then answers that question. That's a good question. 506 00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:52.519 Yeah, go ahead. Frank gray Man Potas says he is very proficient at 507 00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:57.679 MS front page. Can that help out with the project? Nope? It 508 00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:01.320 sounds like something Tim would say. Yeah. So all right, so what 509 00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:05.559 is new? So what's the we've talked about? Uh? I mean the 510 00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:07.360 list of radios you guys shared was new since the last time we spoke, 511 00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:14.639 for sure. And the WPSD things I know I'm saying that wrong is is 512 00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:17.480 new also, But so what are what are some other new things that that 513 00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:22.119 you guys have working on right now? I know you've got this, Uh, 514 00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:25.559 you've got this lily goo right here. Yep, that's gonna be This 515 00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:29.880 is This is the four thirty two megahertz version, is what they call it. 516 00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:34.639 It's a monoband and it comes with a bunch of jumpers and and it 517 00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:37.079 comes with a couple of doll aboards that go into the side here, like 518 00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:40.480 like riser type boards that go and you can you can kind of makerspace your 519 00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:44.639 own radio on this. You could just plug it up and do a straight 520 00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:47.239 analog four hundred and forty megahertz radio, of course. But then there's a 521 00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:51.320 new version, Steve you were telling me about that's that's about to drop that 522 00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:54.599 will be compatible with one of your boards or have the board built into it 523 00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:58.519 or something like that. So tell us more about that a little bit sure. 524 00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:02.599 Uh So the one that you're holding right now is the original we can 525 00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:07.559 I mean, everybody that I talked to calls it the T Tower the try 526 00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:13.679 So that was a that was basically a DOV board that was developed by Lilygo 527 00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:17.079 by themselves, you know, doing their own thing. It takes the prevalent 528 00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:24.760 or ubiquitous rather r F chip or RF module and they basically attached an e 529 00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:29.400 s P thirty two to it and now you have like a little SP thirty 530 00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:36.199 two walkie talkie. A lot of the open rtx development has been around different 531 00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:42.639 modules that they can use to transmit things like M seventeen using their firmware. 532 00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:47.360 And when that was discovered, a lot quite a few people actually said, 533 00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:50.920 hey, let's see if we can put M seventeen on this or at least 534 00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:54.840 open rtx. So they got open rtx to work on it. But the 535 00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:59.360 M seventeen side of it, on the on the first iteration of their board 536 00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:05.199 wasn't very easy to do as far as the voice side is concerned. It 537 00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:08.920 can do M seventeen in a packet mode, but the voice part of it, 538 00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:16.000 there's the audiopaths aren't correct to get into the MCU in order to be 539 00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:22.920 able to modulate the voice into M seventeen digital voice, so analog voice in 540 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:29.000 M seventeen digital voice. With that, we went to Liligo and asked if 541 00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:34.639 they could re spin their radio with the paths that we need in order to 542 00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:38.039 be able to modulate M seventeen and they said sure. So we worked or 543 00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:45.159 open our TX work with them in order to get the board redesigned for that 544 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:51.239 audiopath. And now it is a very solid possibility that M seventeen will be 545 00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:54.599 M seventeen voice will be capable on the new version, so the T Tower, 546 00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:59.760 I think they'll call it the two point one and that will be coming 547 00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:06.800 out. Jeez. We got the engineering prototype in or well yeah, the 548 00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:12.159 open ARTACS got the engineering prototypes back in late February, and you know, 549 00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:15.920 obviously there's a bunch of development that needs to happen and everything. So as 550 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:17.320 soon as we get an answer that says, hey, yes, we were 551 00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:22.800 able to successfully put M seventeen on it, then you'll probably see you know, 552 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:28.159 that model being sold with the ability to do M seventeen right now. 553 00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:30.920 It doesn't come with any firmware. There was no firmware written for it that 554 00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:35.280 they can put onto it to make it like off the shelf. But you 555 00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:37.199 know, the programming side of it, you know, that's that's what makes 556 00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:40.960 everything interesting, you know, being able to hack it and put it together 557 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.920 yourself kind of thing. You know that, at least that's what I go 558 00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:49.559 for, you know too, if somebody wanted to order that, correct me 559 00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.920 if I'm wrong. Lilygo sells two versions of it, one with firmware and 560 00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:58.719 one without. They actually sell four versions. Okay, So there's there's a 561 00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:05.239 UHF and a vh version that already has the firmware that is required to operate 562 00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:09.159 the the radio module on it, and then they also have a VHF and 563 00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:15.360 UHF version that has no firmware on the radio module at all, and you 564 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:19.480 can put your own firmware on it, and that firmware is also being developed 565 00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:24.000 by people over on open rtx. It is kind of an interesting way of 566 00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:29.039 programming. But you know, it basically comes to you as as a blank 567 00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:31.360 module that you put your own firmware on, so it will be completely open 568 00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:37.239 source for you. But yeah, there are four versions. There's the VHF 569 00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:39.519 and UHF with the firmware, and then there's a VHF and UHF they call 570 00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:44.639 the Open editionition. Yeah yeah, and that's the one that doesn't come with 571 00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:46.519 any firmware, but you got to put it on yourself, so it becomes 572 00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:52.920 like a truly open source radio, you know, discovery platform. Really. 573 00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:55.199 Yeah, that's that's what I got. I got the Open Edition. That's 574 00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:59.320 what this one is here. So I'm going to have fun trying to figure 575 00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:01.719 out how to put the firm on it. But but that's some cable that 576 00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:07.400 you need for It's kind of kind of tricky, is it. Yeah, 577 00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:08.960 it's got a USB C port on the side of it here, but I 578 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:12.519 can I guess they can't make it that easy, can they. That's for 579 00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:15.639 charging. That's for charging, okay, and also talking to the esp This 580 00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:22.039 sounds like a job for ham nuggets I see Teo doing. Yeah, yeah, 581 00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:24.840 yeah, that might work. But but yeah, that's the open that's 582 00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:29.000 the open edition right there. So but you said the new one will be 583 00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:30.639 called like the two point one or two point zero or something like that. 584 00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:35.920 Yeah, give me this second, I'll pull up all right, So don't 585 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.079 don't go buy that one right now down because I saw you open asking that 586 00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:44.039 question. This one will not this one will not do seventeen. I actually 587 00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:46.079 purchased this. It took about a month to get this, well maybe yeah, 588 00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:49.960 about a month to get this in. I actually purchased this because I 589 00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:53.199 saw I was reading like a either a Reddit post or an Instagram post or 590 00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:57.320 something. I was reading up on some of this meshtastic stuff, and lily 591 00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:05.320 Goo makes a bunch of meshtastic items and pieces of hardware. So I was 592 00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:07.320 reading up on this. I'm like, oh, that sounds like it might 593 00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:08.760 be fun. So I purchased this. And then about a week later I 594 00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:12.159 saw Steve at Hamkesh and he's like, oh, yeah, we're working on 595 00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:13.840 a new version of that. I'm like, of course you were. I 596 00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:16.280 just purchased the old version. So yeah. But so I'm gonna have to 597 00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:19.599 go buy another one when it comes out. But that's okay. It's all 598 00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:30.760 good experiment quick and you can see them here we go. Okay, let 599 00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:34.880 me fix that. It always goes full screen on me for some reason. 600 00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:37.599 Okay, so all right, yeah, the new version, so same battery, 601 00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:45.239 same screen. They improved the speaker and the microphone locations, but that 602 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:51.840 is right now, just running their in house firmware. Same idea, but 603 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:55.599 with the audio paths opened up for us so that we can do you know, 604 00:45:55.719 --> 00:46:00.280 M seventeen over that radio. So I would need to get a hold 605 00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:04.960 of that radio once it's available and then download HIM seventeen firmware from you guys 606 00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:07.719 and flash it and be able to use it that way. That that basically 607 00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:13.239 the process. Yep. There's also a possibility that they would preload the firmware 608 00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:17.480 for you on it, because that's one of the things that when we were 609 00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:23.599 developing the module seventeen they were asking about and they said, yeah, we 610 00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:27.639 can. We can you know, do it with a with a test if 611 00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:30.760 you want, you know, if you give us a test firmware. I 612 00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:32.800 don't know if they actually did that, but you know, there's there's a 613 00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:37.039 possibility that if we get a test firmware developed for them, they'll go ahead 614 00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:40.719 test it and then ship it out with and make it a commercial off the 615 00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:44.960 shelf radio. But the other thing that a lot of people are asking is 616 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:46.960 like, well, it's just a bare board, you know, do you 617 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:50.559 have cases for it and all that other stuff. So once you get the 618 00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:52.440 engineering samples in, we can develop the cases and all the other stuff. 619 00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:58.599 Yeah, there is a case for this TWR plus. Yeah. I downloaded 620 00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:00.519 and I sent it to Kyle and was like, hey, this for me. 621 00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:04.360 He's like, okay, he was in he was in Florida. From 622 00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:06.360 that, I think he's going to print it for me this month. But 623 00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:08.280 any time I get a three D printing project, I sent it to Kyle 624 00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:10.559 and was like, hey, I owe you some sun drop. He's like, 625 00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:13.920 all right, this is cool. There you know, perfect Mike, 626 00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:15.280 I can print that for you. Yeah, Mike could probably do it too. 627 00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:17.440 Yeah, he's got a three D printer now too. That's true. 628 00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:22.719 And there are there are files available for the module seventeen too to uh the 629 00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:25.320 print cases. We have them on our githube. Good. Good to know. 630 00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:29.960 That's right. Okay, perfect, Well, that'd be a nice addition 631 00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:34.199 to my sixth day FtM six thousand kid for sure. So okay. And 632 00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:37.480 like I, like I said earlier, and I keep saying it everywhere I 633 00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:40.079 go, it's it's projects like this that No, this is the new homebrewing. 634 00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:43.679 This is this is the future of our hobby. This is going to 635 00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:47.320 attract the the the younger crowd, and we're going to get people from the 636 00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:52.480 maker and and hacker communities that are, you know, willing to play around 637 00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:59.599 and brick there possibly brick their hds by putting an experimental firmware. So yeah, 638 00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:07.079 I've only done it a few times, right right righteesh okay, totally 639 00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:13.079 worth it though, oh, absolutely totally worth it. Absolutely so cool guys. 640 00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:15.760 Well okay, what h or what? Oh? Okay? So what's 641 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:19.519 this? Now? This is that module that I was talking about, the 642 00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:25.280 icon Okay, so this is this is what it will go inside, you 643 00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:30.079 know, that icon radio. So there's a connector that's down here that for 644 00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:34.559 some reason is not being rendered. But yeah, this is just this tiny 645 00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:38.960 little thing. It's thirty millimeters twenty millimeters and you just stick it right in 646 00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:45.239 there it Yeah, you dupe it. And yeah, that's that's the whole 647 00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:47.960 the whole idea behind that. You know, you just drop it into your 648 00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:54.800 handheld or your mobile and with the right firmware you can modulate them seventeen Yeah. 649 00:48:55.320 --> 00:49:01.679 Nice okay, and it uh so does that from or come on the 650 00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:05.840 board or you have to flash it after it's in the radio. You would 651 00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:08.880 need to flash it before it goes into the radio. I believe that they 652 00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:14.639 are also trying to figure out a way to do it via serial protocol through 653 00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:19.679 the programming cable or if not, through the connector on the back end of 654 00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:23.000 the mobile radio. I believe that this this connector on the side here will 655 00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:28.719 give you serial access as well, so it is a possibility to be able 656 00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:30.480 to flash it through the radio. I'm not one hundred percent sure. I 657 00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:36.239 would have to ask questions to the right people for that. Okay, the 658 00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:45.519 great person is in the chat? Which one is in the chat? Yeah, 659 00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:49.599 he said a minute ago, he said, it's two am there, 660 00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:52.480 still a few days ago before being in the same time zone. Have a 661 00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:59.440 good night. So he went for a little bit answering questions. Okay, 662 00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:04.559 what the best place to stay abreast of all of these things is our discord 663 00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:08.719 channel. We do everything in our discord you know, come on in. 664 00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:13.639 We have a lot of different channels, and we have some bridges to go 665 00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:17.840 to Matrix and some of the other open source chat platforms. But that's the 666 00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:22.079 best way to get a hold of anybody on the team. There's usually somebody 667 00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:24.480 there from the team, probably about twenty two hours a day. Oh yeah, 668 00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:30.840 it's quite vibrant, I would say, quite vibrant. Good, So 669 00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:36.960 in theory, if I took my my bridge Com repeater, which I have 670 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:45.280 an MMDVM one and flashed it with this, say the acronym chip. What 671 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:49.920 is that again, WPSD, WPSD. Yeah, if I put that on 672 00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:53.440 my bridge Com repeater which has seventeen, and then I got this icom radio, 673 00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:58.920 I could talk into them seventeen network into the reflectors where the net is 674 00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:02.719 where all the other traffic is. Correct, my icon through via RF through 675 00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:07.559 with the icon RF into the repeater into the network. Is that Is that 676 00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.320 accurate? That is accurate? Those bridge Comm repeaters are pretty cool because they're 677 00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:19.519 essentially they're essentially a hotspot. You know, they're running Raspberry pie They have 678 00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:24.480 the m m DVM software which is the foundation of w PSD and pie star. 679 00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:31.000 Really and without Jonathan's hard work G four KLX, I mean we wouldn't 680 00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:37.760 be in this chat really, but yeah, I mean essentially that would be 681 00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:43.079 completely compatible. Everything would would work out of the box. And I can 682 00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:45.760 I can vouch for it because I have one that's just on the other side 683 00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:47.519 of the house. Oh yeah, it's it's up and running and I use 684 00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:52.480 uh, geez, what do I usually use? You have droid Star on 685 00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:59.360 an Android phone with a zum Spot USB modem, and I use that to 686 00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:02.519 talk into the Peter and back. You could also use M voice I'm not 687 00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:07.320 I'm sorry not M voice M seventeen client, which turns a hot spot into 688 00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:12.519 a like a base station radio Module seventeen. I've done it with a Module 689 00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:16.119 seventeen and FtM six thousand. Looking forward to getting that icon on the air 690 00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:21.519 with M seventeen. But yeah, the Bridgecom digital repeaters, like Chuck said, 691 00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:25.760 are MMDVM based repeaters, and they do work, and it will do 692 00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:29.920 M seventeen and I've got yeah, I mean, I've been running Bridge Calm 693 00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:32.000 backyard Peter here at the house for several years. It's just got the the 694 00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:37.239 regular old pie star on an MMDVM and I connected into actually have a HB 695 00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:42.320 link server running, so it's actually connected to my c bridge. Actually I 696 00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:45.119 have an MMDVM repeater connected to my sabridge it and it's got some Brandmeister stuff 697 00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:49.159 on it too. But but it were I mean, it's been running in 698 00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:52.280 the house for three four years. Yeah like that, Yeah, or missed 699 00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:54.719 a beat, so yeah, there you go. Yeah, I have one 700 00:52:54.760 --> 00:53:00.280 hundred empower one hundred. I have one hundred watt amplifier for it. Since 701 00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:01.960 I don't have a good antenna up I don't, I never turn on the 702 00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:07.800 amplifier, so it's just running like five watts right now. But but it 703 00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:12.000 works. It works very very well. So yeah, I'll probably just take 704 00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:15.880 another micro SD card and switch them out, flash the new the new version 705 00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:20.519 on there that adds in seventeen, and just be able to switch it back 706 00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:22.519 and forth when I want to. That's probably what I'm gonna do with you. 707 00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:25.639 Just still have to making sure that it's on the most current firmware correct 708 00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:31.039 chip four right, that's right. You need at least MMDVM one point six 709 00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:37.840 zero. We recommend one point six dot one just because that's that has the 710 00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:42.760 most up to date stability issue you know, fixes and whatnot. But yes, 711 00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:50.320 cool one point six introduces the most up to date M seventeen support for 712 00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:53.039 sure. Yoh, okay, so Jason. One of the other things you 713 00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:57.480 can do is you can join us for a all star for our nets if 714 00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:01.079 you're around on Friday at seventeen hundred hours. Okay, what's your all star 715 00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:07.119 node number four six five five zero six five zero. There it is okay, 716 00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:12.199 Okay, let meca, I you know what, I didn't know that, 717 00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:14.800 but I had forgotten that, ed, So I'm glad you said that. 718 00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:19.679 And what what time and date were those nets? Again? It's Fridays 719 00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:25.000 at seventeen hundred hours UTC. We just changed the clocks back, so on 720 00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:29.960 the East it's it's one pm. It's yeah, don for for y'all in 721 00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:36.840 central our time? Okay, yeah, okay, what's this stuff? I 722 00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:46.679 definitely wasn't for you guys. Use god, Yeah, that's right, that's 723 00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:52.000 right. A bunch of youths. Oh, that's good. You remember that. 724 00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:57.639 No, that was so funny. We watched that movie just a couple 725 00:54:57.719 --> 00:55:00.480 of month or two ago. That's funny. We were just talking about that 726 00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:07.239 recently. That's so funny. Yeah, that's right. Okay. So uh 727 00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:12.639 well, hey, you guys are been making some real progress here. So 728 00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:15.000 it's impressive all the things that have happened since the last time. We haven't 729 00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:17.719 followed up in a long time, and I appreciate that. Man. I'm 730 00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:21.320 glad I was able to get you guys back on and talked about this stuff 731 00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:25.760 because it's it's definitely moving forward with all the new projects that are coming up 732 00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:30.519 to make this a reality. So one of these days you're just gonna be 733 00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:35.960 able to order a full fledged M seventeen device on online and looking forward to 734 00:55:35.960 --> 00:55:39.719 it all, I'm going to say you just wait, Yeah, it's going 735 00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:44.519 to be pretty incredible. I imagine, I imagine it will. Yeah. 736 00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:49.119 I had an awesome time with the y'all down at the Orlando booth. We 737 00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:53.360 talked a lot about the developer environment and what do they need to get it 738 00:55:53.679 --> 00:56:00.920 spun up, and I was very surprised that N seventeen was using plus plus 739 00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:05.159 and a bunch of the other tools. I was like, I would use 740 00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:10.159 these all all the time. And where where can we if we want to 741 00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:15.840 volunteer our skills at developing and helping you all out, Where can we do 742 00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:24.119 that again? M hm, come to this guy? Discord? Yeah, 743 00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:30.320 Discord. Discord is a great platform for that. We we really could use 744 00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:38.199 contributors, uh, the M seventeen project, w PSD project, even the 745 00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:44.920 sub projects such as the m M DVM sub projects. You know, we 746 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:51.719 all work together very very very closely, and Discord is a great platform to 747 00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:55.519 you know, get to know the folks involved and get involved. And the 748 00:56:55.519 --> 00:57:00.840 more the merrier, the more the merrier, and we will be out in 749 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:06.000 Xenia in May. Mm hm. You guys have the booth out there, 750 00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:10.320 Paham mentioned we will be at the Free DV booth. So free dB is 751 00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:15.559 basically doing digital voice on Jeff bands using the same codec. So that's another 752 00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:20.199 project, a bunch of great guys, so it's kind of a two for 753 00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:23.000 one. Come buy our booth and hang out with the free DV guys. 754 00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:25.679 They'll tell you all about the HF side of it, and we'll talk to 755 00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:32.079 you about VHF UHF coin. Good. We will absolutely be in Xenia again 756 00:57:32.119 --> 00:57:37.159 this year, so I always head forward to that show. And your source 757 00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:39.599 code. It's all open source. You have a GitHub repel that I linked 758 00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:46.320 to the chat. Everything is wide open and that is very very very deliberate, 759 00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:53.800 very deliberate. Good. Okay, well, anything else, guys. 760 00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:57.400 I mean, this has been a wealth of information tonight. I appreciate your 761 00:57:57.440 --> 00:58:00.280 time and and all the links that I'm gonna have to go click on and 762 00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:05.360 buy stuff on now. I already bought the Icon radio, so I shared 763 00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:07.239 the Icon Radio on eBay earlier, so I already bought the icon in case 764 00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:10.239 you guys buy that guy. Nice, very nice. But I'm gonna have 765 00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:15.119 to go buy this this seventeen module for my f team six thousand and you 766 00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:17.800 get that right, And there's two different there's a version of that with the 767 00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:22.440 the screen already, Solder just I think it's like six bucks more. Just 768 00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:25.159 do it with the screen already on that. Yeah, yoh yeah, yeah, 769 00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:29.000 I'll get I'll get it with the with the screen for sure. But 770 00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:35.440 cool, okay, excellent, So okay, anything else y'all want to have 771 00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:45.159 another? Really? You know, it's just I just encourage everybody to, 772 00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:50.679 you know, support these these projects, all these open source amateur radio projects, 773 00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:52.599 and there's a lot of them out there, a lot of really great 774 00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:55.559 things out there, and if you know, we get behind them, well 775 00:58:55.599 --> 00:59:00.360 we'll have this hobby lasting for a very long time. And we'll right to 776 00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:04.719 get the youth and the new a Ham's involved in it as well. And 777 00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:07.719 you know, I talk with a good Game all the time about his Teacher's 778 00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:14.440 institute and hopefully we'll get like some of those litlego boards in there once you 779 00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:19.840 know them seventeen firmware is available, so that'll be pretty cool as a production 780 00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:23.119 for the kids. That's right, and so yeah, to build on what 781 00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:27.679 Ed said, you know, you don't have to contribute. Just use it. 782 00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:30.840 It's awesome, it's really awesome. Just use it. It's amazing and 783 00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:35.559 you're not there's no vendor lock in and you can feel good about that. 784 00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:42.400 That's that's a very cool thing. True. True. Okay, okay, 785 00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:45.559 well say yeah once again, thanks for your time tonight, guys. I 786 00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:50.320 appreciate all of the information. We will definitely catch up with you guys at 787 00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:54.039 him mention. But I've actually been talking to Steve on discord for the last 788 00:59:54.360 --> 01:00:00.639 month or two and we've got at least two, i think two other things 789 01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:02.360 that I want to bring you guys back on to live streams for so a 790 01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:06.519 lot of stuff upcoming on that I didn't want to try to cram everything into 791 01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:08.920 one live stream, which is too much info. Sure, but I definitely 792 01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:14.599 want to get these guys back onto the show to talk about all the different 793 01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:19.280 things that seventeen can do. Once this thing comes out, I'll pick up 794 01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.519 the new version and that'll be a live stream by itself, to get that 795 01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:25.440 up and running and do some Q so maybe even connect to a hotspot and 796 01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:30.480 do some QSO's with it nice over on a live stream, so that'd be 797 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:32.840 fun. Yeah, yeah, my pleasure. Jason, thanks for having us, 798 01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:37.159 Thanks, thanks Chip, appreciate you and Steve and Ed and all three 799 01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:39.320 of you. You guys hang out for just one minute in the zoom and 800 01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:45.239 I'm going to close this out, but special shout out to all the folks 801 01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:46.400 in green text who join us in the chat. Frank, I saw you 802 01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:51.079 jump in there, KG six, NLW in five SKT I saw you in 803 01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:53.880 there as well, and really appreciate you guys joining us tonight. Put a 804 01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:57.639 comment and not in the live chat now, but put a comment in the 805 01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:01.679 replay video about what other question you have about seventeen, what we could what 806 01:01:01.719 --> 01:01:07.239 we could bring these guys back on for and get them just kind of talking 807 01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:10.800 about all the new stuff that's upcoming and which radios are available and what how 808 01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:15.239 they how to expand the project forward after this. So thanks again, guys, 809 01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:21.079 I appreciate your time tonight. Everyone waving our pleasure to exer and take 810 01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:25.519 care of everybody. Everybody else. Support open source, that's right, Support open source