WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:09.640 Big food and be on with Cliff and Bobo. These guys, are you 2 00:00:09.839 --> 00:00:18.559 fav It's so like say subscribe and raid it. I'm stuck and me just 3 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:27.920 on us today listening watching lim always keep it's watching. And now you're hosts 4 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:32.200 Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay. Hey, Bobo, how you doing? 5 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:35.799 Man good? How's it going? Cliff going pretty good? It's going pretty 6 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:38.920 good. Just getting ready to do a podcast here we're and have a great 7 00:00:39.119 --> 00:00:41.679 guess actually two guests on. We'll get to them in just a few minutes. 8 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:45.840 But been in the woods a bunch and I'm going again tomorrow. Great 9 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:49.679 things are happening. I can't it's astonishing with how much goes on, or 10 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:51.960 you know, maybe just you know, I'm a magnet for this sort of 11 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:56.560 thing because the museum and stuff. But man, a lot of Bigfoot stuff 12 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:59.960 happens all the time. It's ridiculous. Yeah, you got a lot of 13 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:03.079 stuff happening. I was supposed to gotta get with those guys. Todd Doug 14 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:06.400 up Bluff Creek a couple of days ago, last week or just a few 15 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:08.680 days ago. Previous guests are our listeners may remember because they're the guys who 16 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:11.719 cast those footprints in the snow about a year ago. And then of course 17 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:15.799 they also saw a sasquatch in January did a follow up. There were footprints 18 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:19.280 there. It's legit signing up in up here in Oregon. They've been busy 19 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:22.599 as well. What do you know about it? Well, they just got 20 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:25.920 back two days ago. They went out, they got trapped, they got 21 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:27.519 more cast I'm like, God, you know, I better not good with 22 00:01:27.519 --> 00:01:30.359 these guys because I'll just curse them like they're on they're on a roll. 23 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:34.480 They get and stuff all the time. Like I feel like I jinks And 24 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:36.920 if I go out there with them now, because those guys are just killing 25 00:01:36.920 --> 00:01:38.480 it. They are killing it, man, I would hop on that wave 26 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:41.840 and surfit, you know, go see some stuff in the ground. It's 27 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:45.200 amazing what they've been doing. No it is. I gotta get up there 28 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:47.879 with those guys. It's just been that, like there's a lot of days 29 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:49.000 I can't go that the times they're going, it's like it's always like just 30 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:52.159 bad timing for me. It's like, God, if I would have known 31 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:55.519 like a day before, Yeah, well try to get up there when you 32 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:59.159 can. And also, you know, if more eyes the better and some 33 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:01.159 some spots. You know, they're getting stuff in the same locations. This 34 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:06.480 was twelve miles away. Yeah, we'll do it. I mean twelve balls 35 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:07.800 from their last spot they found stuff, Like a couple of weeks ago they 36 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:13.280 found and this spot was like twelve mills for the road. They're covering some 37 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:16.120 territory. Yeah they are. They are, and they're kind of developing their 38 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:20.120 they're seeing, you know, like cluing in with their eyes, you know, 39 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:23.199 calibrating their eyes to see these things. So good for them, man, 40 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:24.080 I wish them all the luck in the world. I can't wait to 41 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:27.479 and you know, like I keep saying, I want to make it down 42 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:30.960 there at the end of summer early fall, so I probably drop by and 43 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:32.599 see them and see the stuff they've been collecting too. It's great, Oh 44 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:37.520 for sure. Nice. Well we got we got some more stuff on I 45 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:39.599 got some more stuff on Monday, went out to the Old Haunts and I 46 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:43.039 met a friend out there, so that was that was really cool. It 47 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:45.199 turns out my friend I didn't know my friend who was going to be out 48 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:46.840 there, but he texted me in the middle of it all, and I 49 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:50.080 happened to have reception for a second. I get a text. I go, 50 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:53.159 holy smokes, he's out here and he's casting prints. So I texted 51 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:55.319 him and found reception, met up with him. He got two prints that 52 00:02:55.479 --> 00:03:00.000 day from two different drainages. Now those drainages are adjacent to one another, 53 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:06.280 and I got a print about two miles away from there the same day, 54 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:10.240 and so I cast stuff and this guy cast two prints. So they seem 55 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:14.199 to be back in the zone right now, right on schedule. It seems 56 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:17.599 like every three months February, May, August, and November, we're getting 57 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:23.240 casts out of this little area. So right on schedule, they're back again. 58 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:25.879 I love it. Some data. Yeah, and this is a pattern 59 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:31.879 that's pretty much held consistent since twenty twenty. That's significant. It is significant. 60 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:37.639 It is significant. Now we missed this past November. The November before, 61 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:39.240 we didn't get any cast out of this area, but it turns out 62 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:44.199 he did. I didn't find anything, but he found it, like one 63 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:46.759 drainage over so that even then, like even though I didn't get the information, 64 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:51.240 that data still holds. And to my knowledge, the only break in 65 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:54.240 this data has been we got some stuff in December, which is fairly rare 66 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:57.840 you know, they were just a few weeks later or something maybe, but 67 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:00.400 it might just be a matter of I didn't see it. Yeah, And 68 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:02.199 then of course today I come to the museum. I worked all day in 69 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:05.879 the museum. Of course, it's a it's a Tuesday right now, and 70 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:09.960 I we get a call early in the morning and my one of my employees 71 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:11.840 picks it up and it says, no, we haven't seen it yet, 72 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:14.240 but we'll get to it real soon, promise. And what was that? 73 00:04:14.280 --> 00:04:15.399 He goes, yeah, somebody said that they send us some pictures of some 74 00:04:15.480 --> 00:04:17.360 prints. They go, oh, cool, I always like to see those, 75 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:20.720 and I start so I start going through email as soon as I can. 76 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:25.839 What I didn't know is that those prints were found yesterday and there was 77 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:29.240 a there's i don't know, two hundred yards of tracks on a mud flat 78 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:32.399 out by the coast. I said, really, and and so basically he's 79 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:34.839 this guy was fishing out there. I'm not going to tell you the river 80 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:39.600 because I'm going to I'm going to go there tomorrow. So I've already contacted 81 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:41.680 the witness, made an arrangement. I got to drive to the coast, 82 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:44.120 be out there by eight am, which means I'm leaving the house by five 83 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:46.920 point thirty, so it's gonna be an early day for Cliff tomorrow. But 84 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:49.759 anyway, I guess these two guys were fishing one of the local rivers, 85 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:55.040 and you know, and they're on their jets sled or whatever and kind of 86 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:59.240 near the mouth like in the estuary, right, And so they're they're floating 87 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:01.920 around doing their thing out there fishing. And you know how rivers, especially 88 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:06.839 in estuaries, like there's oftentimes like silts or sandbars and like making little islands 89 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:11.240 in the middle. Right, So they're out there kind of near one they 90 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:14.199 go, oh, look, there's there's some footprints over there. They're probably 91 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:15.360 look how big there? They're probably a bear, right, So they go 92 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:18.800 they kind of scoot their boat over. They beat it. One guy has 93 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.319 waiters on, the other guy does not. So the guy at the waiters 94 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:26.560 gets out and goes over and looks and think thinking he's going to see bear 95 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:29.920 tracks, and he goes, oh my god, you hey, these are 96 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:32.879 really big and they have toes on them. And they go, what really, 97 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:35.399 And so they start taking pictures. The guy crawls out of the boat 98 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:41.000 and basically, yeah, they're I mean the size. I'm not sure of 99 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:46.439 the size. I think they're about fourteen inches. And the guy took fifteen 100 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:50.480 pictures and videos and sent them to me. Now, I this is an 101 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:56.000 estuary and it's tidally influenced, so there has been a tide I think that 102 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:59.480 has claimed some of them. And all the photographs of the prints that I 103 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:03.639 saw were water filled, but you could see toes. They are sasquatch tracks. 104 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:08.360 And apparently this thing came out of the woods on one side of the 105 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:12.000 river, crossed a little rivulet like a small little stream sort of thing, 106 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:16.240 went onto the island and walked out into the river itself, the river proper, 107 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:19.120 trying to get to the other side, where there was a herd of 108 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:21.399 elk. We don't know if the elk was there at the same time or 109 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:26.160 not, because all the elk were present, and we know that because of 110 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:30.360 the footprints, But we don't know if the sasquatch saw the elk or anything. 111 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:31.720 But you know, one could suppose, but we don't know. We 112 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:36.079 don't actually factually don't know that. So this thing went out into the river 113 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:42.519 itself towards a one of these preserves, you know, like there is often 114 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:46.399 found in these estuaries the samdbar. Well, no like a forested area. 115 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:50.560 That is it is like a game preserve. No huntings fort area. Okay, 116 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:54.199 you know, maybe not that game preserve, but wildlife preserve is some 117 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:57.399 sort of you know, game implies you can hunt there and you cannot hunt 118 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:00.639 in this area. So the thing went over there, and then the guy 119 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:04.160 actually put his boat on top of where the thing walked in the river. 120 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:09.399 He could see the bottom of the river and the sasquatch tracks in the river 121 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:13.000 itself, and the thing went out until it was I don't know, four 122 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:15.480 or five feet deep, and then just turned around and walked back on the 123 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:20.240 same island, the same sandbar island, back to the woods from whence it 124 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:25.439 came. And so you have two trackways. At first, even in the 125 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:28.319 videos that they recorded, they're saying, oh, there are two of them. 126 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:30.199 Look, this one's going this way, this one's going that way. 127 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:32.639 No, no, it's actually the same animal walked to one spot and then 128 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:39.519 turned around and then walked back. So yeah, they're pretty cool pictures and 129 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:44.519 we'll see what happens tomorrow. I'll be out there at eight am at the 130 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:46.000 boat launch. Because he says, you cannot get there without a boat, 131 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:49.519 and so he's going to take me out on his boat tomorrow and we're going 132 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:54.639 to go check out this area and see if there's anything castable. He did 133 00:07:54.680 --> 00:07:59.959 go out there about an hour ago. Actually, while just before this spot 134 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:01.800 podcast here, I got a text from him saying that he went out to 135 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:05.319 the area to see if they were still there, because there's been a high 136 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:09.759 tide that may have touched them since then. The tides apparently are pretty low 137 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:11.959 right now, but he says he wanted to go check it out, but 138 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.000 the tide came up and put water in them, and then they're going back 139 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:18.279 down. But he says, no, they're still there. The tide hasn't 140 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:22.439 messed them up too much. So we have one more tide. I guess 141 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:24.720 between here and there when I'm there tomorrow morning, So keep your fingers crossed 142 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:28.720 at the tide doesn't do any damage to them, but at the very least, 143 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:30.959 I'm going to go out there and scour the river banks and see if 144 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:33.360 there's any tracks that might have been preserved that weren't on the silt bar. 145 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:37.759 And worst case scenario, I like to go on a boat ride at the 146 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:41.679 coast to see sasquatch tracks that are blown out, and it's a nice stay 147 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:43.679 at the coast. You have strug and go out there. Today. Well, 148 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:46.840 I had a podcast to do, unfortunately, or I would have should. 149 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:52.679 Well, you know what, Matt Prude has gone today. He's in 150 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:56.799 the woods and I think in Georgia's somewhere he's and so it was kind of 151 00:08:56.879 --> 00:08:58.200 up to me to run the episode. And I know you could have done 152 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:01.480 it. But at the same time, I'm the one to set up the 153 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:05.240 guests today and I and all that other stuff. So I held to my 154 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:07.720 responsibility and I am here today. But tomorrow morning eight am I have at 155 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:11.799 the boat launch. But speaking of guests, maybe it's time we bring those 156 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:16.279 in. All right? Who you got today? We have the two people 157 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:20.919 who basically run the West Virginia Bigfoot Museum out in Sutton, West Virginia. 158 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:24.240 I've had my eye on this museum for a long time because I am a 159 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:28.080 Bigfoot museum enthusiast, as you can probably imagine. So let's go ahead and 160 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:33.080 bring the guests in. David and Laurel Pedalikio. They are the founders and 161 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:35.519 they're runners. Maybe not the founders, they are the runners of the West 162 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:39.960 Virginia Bigfoot Museum. So welcome, David and Laurel. Appreciate your time and 163 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:43.320 coming on Bigfoot and Beyond with Clifton Bobo. Well, thank you so much 164 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:46.519 for having us. Thanks for having us. Yeah, yeah, thanks for 165 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:50.080 showing up. Yeah, a lot of times we have no shows. If 166 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:52.960 there's a no show, it's either a me or Bobo, I think. 167 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:58.360 But yeah, so you guys are the West Virginia big Foot Museum. When 168 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:00.360 I heard about this, I was like, Oh, that's cool, because 169 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:03.600 I think I think Bigfoot museums are rat I'd like to visit every single one 170 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:05.519 of them. I mean, I own one, that's how great I think 171 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:09.279 they are. So I actually own one, and every museum has a different 172 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:13.440 take on things, and I really appreciate that that so much of the owner's 173 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:20.639 personality is injected into the establishments themselves. But since, no, I don't 174 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:22.639 I've never met either one of you in person. Have I I don't think 175 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:26.720 I have. I don't remember it, but not yet, I don't think 176 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:30.879 No, hopefully soon, hopefully soon, Yeah, because I don't get out 177 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:33.799 that way much anymore than I'm not traveling for a living. But I would 178 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:37.639 like to get out there at some point. So, so, how long 179 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:39.320 have you guys been doing the Bigfoot thing, because certainly there must be a 180 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:45.320 background interest in bigfoot if you went ahead and opened a Bigfoot museum, right, 181 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:48.320 Yeah, I would say that probably me and my dad mostly were into 182 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:54.120 cryptozoology stuff in general, a little bit before the TV show Monster Quest came 183 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:58.399 out, because I was actually still a kid when I came out. That 184 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:01.879 was probably around the time where I got really big into it, and then 185 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:07.480 obviously from there I got into Bigfoot specifically, but I have a broad range 186 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:11.559 of different interests in that field now. I actually was a total non believer 187 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:16.519 until we moved here, and in moving to West Virginia and living in the 188 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:20.159 very center of the state, which is extremely rural. We are in one 189 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:26.799 of the least populated counties in the entire northeast, very very heavily wooded, 190 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:31.159 and the locals in this area, it's to them, it's just another animal, 191 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:35.759 and they were not even sure why we thought this was so special. 192 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:41.200 But the amount of stories and the amount of sightings from this area are just 193 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:45.879 immense, and I think the particular I'm not sure what you'd call them, 194 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:48.559 whether it's a group or a troop or whatever that live in this area. 195 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:56.399 Seemed to interact with the mountain people quite frequently. And there's not a lot 196 00:11:56.399 --> 00:12:01.000 of dangerous encounters. It's more just curious city encounters. But there were so 197 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:07.600 many that and I knew these people. These were pastors, wives, doctors, 198 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:11.279 police officers, you know, not the town Drunk. So it totally 199 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:16.159 convinced me, although the Town Drunk season two, to be fair you yeah, 200 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:20.120 yeah, he has the best stories for sure. Now, where did 201 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:24.240 you move from? You said you moved to the area we're from. We 202 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:28.720 moved from the Hershey, Pennsylvania area, just north of Hershey, Pennsylvania, 203 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:33.320 and so it was farm country. But so we were from the country, 204 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:35.879 but not the woods. And this is very, very heavily wooded. Yeah, 205 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:39.919 and I believe Hershey, Pennsylvania is on the east side of the state. 206 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:43.039 Is that correct, that's correct, Yes, fairly close to Philadelphia, 207 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:46.120 so it's fairly urban. I mean, we lived in the country, but 208 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:50.440 you don't have to go very far to get to the urban. Yeah. 209 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:54.000 I don't think there's a lot going on in that particular corner of Pennsylvania. 210 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:56.799 It's mostly on the west side of the state, I think out there. 211 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:01.679 So, so how long ago did you move to that area? I would 212 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:05.440 say about six years now, probably more like five. Yeah, we haven't 213 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:13.120 been here super long yet. We've been visiting this area for almost fifteen seventeen 214 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:18.080 years. We've had Honeyland down here about fifty acres about two minutes from where 215 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:20.399 we are now, and we had that ever since I was, you know, 216 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:24.840 a kid basically, So we've been visiting for a long time, but 217 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:28.759 we only lived here full time for about the last five and a half years. 218 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:33.840 So how did the museum become a thing? You know, because it's 219 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:37.480 a far cry from you know, doing whatever you're doing before to running a 220 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:43.039 big Foot themed establishment. Yeah. I mean my education is in criminal psychology, 221 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:46.559 definitely not the Bigfoot research or anything I met. There's a lot of 222 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:52.559 overlap there, actually, Yeah, you'd be surprised. Yeah. I think 223 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:56.080 it probably started with the when we first moved down here and opened the country 224 00:13:56.200 --> 00:14:03.679 store before the museum existed, we had this Halloween where everybody was having trigger 225 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:07.559 treat and all the kids were out and I had a big Foot costume that 226 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:11.320 I used to use for a podcast back in the day. I was like 227 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:13.320 hey, I should use Bigfoot as a mascot for the store. That'd be 228 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.919 kind of fun. And we were kind of nervous. We were like, 229 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:18.799 I don't know if they're going to take that well. I don't want to 230 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:24.879 offend anybody, because we were brand new to the culture here and people absolutely 231 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:28.960 loved it. And then from there, we had a consigner that does chainsaw 232 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:33.559 carvings and he cut a it's like a six and a half foot tall hemlock 233 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:41.519 about four hundred, five hundred pounds into a Bigfoot carving, and he brought 234 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:43.240 it in and we set it in the front of the store and we just 235 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:46.879 kind of used it as like a like a quasi maskot, just for fun. 236 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:52.120 But from there, everybody that came in would just keep talking about Bigfoot. 237 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:56.000 They would either ask if we had seen it, or they would tell 238 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:58.600 us about their encounters with it in their own life. And there were people 239 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:03.480 from all all over the place. They were either there from we got people 240 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:07.840 from Florida, New York, some people were looking for Bigfoot from other countries. 241 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:11.639 That was pretty wild. But yeah, I kind of created this gigantic 242 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:15.440 theme to the point where we've kind of decided that it was a great time 243 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:18.600 to try and compile everything and then put it in a museum. And then 244 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:24.559 we ran into less Odell and he introduced us to several other big foot hunters 245 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:28.360 in the area and they all loaned us their casts. So we have a 246 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.639 very, very large cast collection. So it just it kind of became. 247 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:37.120 We started out with one small room and we ended up with a larger one, 248 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:43.080 and we're working on a third room now. Wow, stay tuned for 249 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:46.159 more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these 250 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:56.240 messages. So it's all Is it all donated from local people or Yeah? 251 00:15:56.240 --> 00:16:02.000 The vast majority of it is original casts from West Virginia. There's basically two 252 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:07.799 primary collections that we host. One is less Odell's collection and then the second 253 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:12.039 one is Daniel Smith. They're both from West Virginia and their casts from all 254 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:17.399 over the state. Basically Daniel Smith, he goes by Daniel Boone, doesn't 255 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:19.679 he Yes, that's the one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I met 256 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:23.240 him a couple of times, actually, yeah, And he has like thirty 257 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:26.879 or something, and then less has another I want to say like five to 258 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:32.559 seven roughly. We host those. Then we have a bunch of cast copies. 259 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:36.080 We have a couple from I want to say, Kentucky, Tennessee, 260 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:38.960 and then we have a ton of copies from Meldrum's collection as well, because 261 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:45.440 he helped us build an entire basically an entire room back there is from working 262 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:48.919 with him and his research. Has he been there, Yes, Yes, 263 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:53.000 he's been here. Have been coming again for our Bigfoot Festival which is coming 264 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:56.279 up in June, so we always look forward to that. It's a lot 265 00:16:56.360 --> 00:17:02.080 of people. Yeah, you know, I heard like whispers or rumblands or 266 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:06.400 something like that of the of your museum out there, and it wasn't really 267 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:10.240 until Huckleberry, you know, told me that I should look into what you 268 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:12.319 guys are doing and that you guys are really nice folks and everything and all 269 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:18.559 that sort of stuff. In fact, I guess Huckleberry picked up Huckleberry, 270 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:22.359 of course from Mountain Monsters, and people aren't familiar out there listening. They're 271 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:26.119 all the kind of local folks from that general area kind of. Huckleberry just 272 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:29.200 texted me a couple of days ago saying that somehow or another he heard that 273 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:30.319 you guys were going to be on the show or whatever, and he was 274 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:36.200 soaked that they were finally having you on. Oh that's awesome. He's amazing. 275 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:38.920 He has been such and a good friend. He and his wife have 276 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:44.640 been down quite often, and after my husband died, they showed up again 277 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:49.279 just to encourage us and BLUs his heart. He has come to every single 278 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:53.480 festival that we've had for free, just to support us and to help us 279 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:56.720 get started. They are just the salt of the earth. They really are. 280 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:00.440 Yeah, all those folks are legitimately good people. I very often sing 281 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:04.240 their praises just so who they are. You know, I'm not a big 282 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:07.480 fan of TV in general, but who they are, you just can't beat 283 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:11.039 it. Man, I love those guys. Yeah. Sure, he kind 284 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:14.599 of comes here with his family and they'll kind of take a day off where 285 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:18.279 they'll just come in and he'll set and talk with me for like an entire 286 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:22.960 afternoon, just really informally. And then tourists of walking around they'll look at 287 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:26.440 him and like they'll get these big eyes like is that Kleberry, And then 288 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:30.119 they'll run over to him ask him for pictures and stuff. But he's a 289 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:33.160 he's definitely a pro when it comes to just meeting with people and being really 290 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:37.680 nice to fans and stuff. But he's had a lot of really interesting encounters 291 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:44.319 that he's told us about as well from his youth and things around West Virginia 292 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:48.079 as well with Bigfoot, which I thought was really cool. Yeah, I 293 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:49.440 mean, there's show is so over the top and kind of ridiculous in a 294 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:52.680 lot of ways. And I love it, by the way, and it's 295 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:55.720 the Scooby doo a Bigfoot. It's really what it is, oh absolutely, 296 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:56.799 at the end of the day. And they all know it. They all 297 00:18:56.839 --> 00:19:00.680 know it on the show they told I mean, I don't remember if they 298 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:03.559 told me these words exactly, but they basically turn it up to eleven, 299 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:07.240 you know, and on their on their personality and just have fun with it, 300 00:19:07.279 --> 00:19:10.319 you know. And of course, you know sheep Squatch and all that 301 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:15.880 nonsense. It's all just nonsense. Sheep Squatch is a favorite. But all 302 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:18.599 those guys have had legitimate big fight. I mean, I think Huckleberry's seen 303 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:22.240 him twice if I remember correctly. Yeah, he's seen that and a dog 304 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:27.279 Man supposedly as well. He wasn't happy about that one. Yeah, But 305 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:32.680 yeah, we actually have Jeff and Willie from Mountain Monsters is going to be 306 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:36.039 at the festival this year as well, and possibly a couple more. Oh 307 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:38.000 yeah, so yeah, tell us about the How long that has a festival 308 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:45.240 been going on? The festival was kind of like my Frankenstein Monster. We 309 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:48.680 when we first opened the museum. I saw the momentum that was there. 310 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:51.920 It did really really well just the end, and it was just like a 311 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:55.920 closet size room, very small because we only had a handful of cast at 312 00:19:55.920 --> 00:19:59.000 the time, and we had posters and citing reports and I was about it. 313 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:02.960 We got a a couple more big foot carvings, but people were just 314 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:07.839 really enjoying the combination of that with the Country Store, and we realized that 315 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:11.839 this was kind of like lightning in a bottle basically, and we decided to, 316 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:14.799 you know what, it would be a great time to start a festival. 317 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:19.480 Now. The catch there was I made this idea up like three weeks 318 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:25.640 before the event. I wanted to kill him. Yeah, it might not 319 00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:26.960 have been the smartest thing, but we did pull it off and it went 320 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:32.119 really really awesome. We had a ton of vendors. The first year, 321 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:36.920 A couple thousand people showed up right off the bat which is fantastic, really 322 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:41.680 clean everybody's family friendly. It was just a really good experience. Mind you, 323 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:45.440 this is an incredibly small town of about seven hundred people, so having 324 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:48.960 several thousand people show up on the first one just about wipe them all out. 325 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:52.160 Scared the crap out of people. Yeah, yeah, I must have. 326 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:56.759 Yeah, yeah, totally. But last year we had it was the 327 00:20:56.839 --> 00:20:59.960 last year that we were going to be holding it in the town itself, 328 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:06.079 but we had about eight thousand that showed up and overwhelmed the town big time. 329 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:10.400 So we are moving it out of town to we have a fifty acre 330 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:17.920 hold around area County Fair. Yeah. So there's barns and trees and ponds 331 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:19.839 and it's going to be great. It's going to be great. There better 332 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:26.680 parking vendors and what they have speakers to or what is the festival consists of. 333 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:30.079 Yeah, we'll have about I want to say, one hundred and fifty 334 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:34.640 possibly one hundred and seventy vendors for the festival, and they're gonna have Turtleman 335 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:37.720 will be there, Mountain Monster guys will be there, Jeff Meldrim will be 336 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:45.000 there, Lesser Dell of b Mills. Trying to think of everybody, it's 337 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:49.039 a long list, Michael W. Cook, Daniel ben Waugh. We're forgetting 338 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:52.359 some there's like, oh yeah, we're missing I'm sure goodness, but yeah, 339 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:56.079 there's about fourteen big Foot speakers, a lot of authors are coming. 340 00:21:56.200 --> 00:22:02.200 All of the vendors are handcrafted items only, food trucks, food trucks, 341 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:07.119 We have bounce house stuff. There's we're gonna have Bigfoot stories around the campfire 342 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:11.720 in the evenings where people can just bring their lawn chairs and all the guys 343 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:17.640 and be can tell their stories about their big Foot encounters. Just kind of 344 00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:22.960 more on a casual, so it should be just a really neat casual West 345 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:27.680 Virginia vibe. We've got Fiddlers and Mountain Cloggers and the Dolphin the Mountain Dalcimer 346 00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:32.240 band coming. Oh yeah. Jim board Wine is another one that you're hoping 347 00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:34.079 to work with more. He'll be here the first time this year too. 348 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:37.559 I think, who else? Who are else are we missing? I know 349 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:42.039 we're missing. It's a long list. There's like fifteen or sixteen of them. 350 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:47.480 At least. We're really excited. You had me at Fiddlers and Cloggers. 351 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:49.559 Oh yeah, old school. Yeah, it's a lot of fun and 352 00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:53.519 we're it's super cheap, so it's only like ten dollars a car to get 353 00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:57.359 in. So we're trying to encourage a lot of families that maybe can't afford 354 00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:03.880 it elsewhere that they can come and really learn and enjoy. We've got a 355 00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:07.559 four x four show going on at the same time, and a what you 356 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:11.599 call it a four x four road scavenger hunt that'll take place in all three 357 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:18.160 days with prizes, and the Cryptid Mini golf guys are going to be there 358 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:23.119 with their mini golf and it's a lot. Yeah, it's three days, 359 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:26.720 so it's going to be a ton of different stuff going on, everything from 360 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:30.400 a little archery stuff to bounce houses, to food trucks, to speakers and 361 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:33.960 workshops, you name it. Well, we'll circle back around at the very 362 00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:37.400 end and plug it again to remind everybody. But what win is this June 363 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:42.200 twenty seventh through the twenty ninth. I think that you're probably making Bobo jealousy 364 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:45.960 can't show up because half the things you mentioned. I know Bobo is interested 365 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:49.519 in clogging. What he said, clogging, turtle turtlemack and clog bance. 366 00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:53.200 Oh, I believe it. I believe it. This is the first year, 367 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:57.640 he's coming. We're really looking forward to that. Oh he's he's him 368 00:23:57.640 --> 00:24:02.480 and the mountain monsters come by. That's just like that's two forces in Asia. 369 00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:07.200 I'm gonna be watching the Weather Channel see anything transpires. That's what we're 370 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:12.160 hoping for. Yeah, the thunderheads of the pier right above the fairgrounds. 371 00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:15.960 So you said you you got a lot of people coming and telling their stories. 372 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:19.319 Like what patterns were you noticing, Like after you know, doing this 373 00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:22.119 for a while, what do you see, Like is there like times a 374 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:26.839 year where're seeing in certain places, are eating certain things, or how's that 375 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:32.359 working out there? Well, we're starting to think that this there's a particular 376 00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:37.039 family grouping that lives in this area and we're thinking they have about a twenty 377 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:42.240 twenty five mile range because they're being spotted in the three tri county area Braxton, 378 00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:48.799 Clay and Webster and a little bit into Nicholas County. They're very mild 379 00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:53.519 mannered. They do not seem at all bothered by people. One thing that 380 00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:57.880 we have noticed over and over again that we hear repeatedly is they do not 381 00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:04.359 like anything Electronic trailcns keep coming down and being smashed, or they'll avoid him 382 00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:08.759 entirely, yeah, or they'll be avoided. There's a gentleman that says he 383 00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:14.720 has them living on his land, and he said that he can't take anything 384 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:19.400 electronic out with him, or they'll throw rocks at him until he empties his 385 00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:22.200 pockets, and then he's allowed to proceed. And he has tried over and 386 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:26.319 over again. But that seems to be a common theme, is that they 387 00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:30.559 can hear the electronics and it bothers them. You think can somehow since it 388 00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:34.119 supposedly from a lot of the accounts that we've heard, we hear a lot 389 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:40.799 of the classic stuff where they shake branches or limbs, they'll throw rocks at 390 00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:44.720 stuff that they're not a big fan of being around them. They tend to 391 00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:48.839 make it so bears, coyotes and some of the other various types of predators 392 00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:52.319 or omnivores area don't come in. So that's why some of the farmers actually 393 00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:56.839 prefer them over some of the other animals locally, because according to the farmers, 394 00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:03.039 they're much less destructive to like crops and livestock then coyotes or bear would 395 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:06.319 be. I don't imagine, well, bears, Bears could be pretty destructive, 396 00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:08.079 So yeah, I guess, well have if you have crops, I 397 00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:11.480 don't. I think you'd like coyotes. But if you have any kind of 398 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:15.079 animals chickens, are sheep or anything that you're gonna hate them. Yeah, 399 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:18.680 a lot of hogs and chickens around there. They all the old timers say 400 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:22.119 that they like root crops, and one thing that they will dig up in 401 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:29.039 people's gardens are any of their root vegetables like carrots or potatoes, turnips. 402 00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:32.200 We've had a lot of those kind of things where reports where people are like, 403 00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:34.799 oh, there was one out in my garden digging up my root crops. 404 00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:38.000 But in this area they don't seem to mind that. That to them 405 00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:41.319 is it's just another animal. It's not causing a lot of harms. So 406 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:45.039 let them do it. You know. So when you you gave the estimate, 407 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:48.200 there's a group in your area and they arrange to hear. Is that 408 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:52.480 based on footprint fines or what are you basing that on? Mostly just off 409 00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:56.319 Well, I guess some of it's footprints as well, but a lot of 410 00:26:56.359 --> 00:27:03.440 it is just a combination of sightings and vocalizations and what kind of rolled together, 411 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:07.960 and there's just they seem to follow a certain pattern. Like we have 412 00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:12.160 one of our consigners who's of Native American descent. They live out one of 413 00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:18.000 these hollows and for the last three generations they've been trading with this family grouping 414 00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:22.839 that comes through, but they only come through their land in September or October. 415 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:26.599 They think something's coming due that they're coming to collect, but they'll make 416 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:30.640 their presence known at the house. They get out a traditional basket, they 417 00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:36.119 put root crops in it as a gift, and they put it out on 418 00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:38.920 their porch and the next morning there's always a small animal that's been left as 419 00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:44.039 a thank you. But this has been happening every year for three generations. 420 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:48.400 That's one. We have a lot of farmers that say, oh yeah, 421 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:52.039 they walk through like at least once a week. They seem to take a 422 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:57.279 circuit where they're going through. We're not sure if they're hunting, probably and 423 00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:02.480 some kind of foraging maybe. They just they go through the same areas over 424 00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:06.359 and over again, and they're being spotted in very similar areas over and over 425 00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:10.160 again because again the locals aren't scared of them. They don't seem to be 426 00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:14.480 scared of the locals, and so yeah, they just as the old timer 427 00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:18.240 says, we don't pay them no mind, right, and you're fairly certain 428 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:21.799 that they're they're the same individuals that are being seen again in the I mean 429 00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:23.680 not not in the same place, but in multiple places. And that's what 430 00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:27.640 I'm getting at. We can't Yeah, I don't know, but I know 431 00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:32.400 where this guy's farm is, and if you draw a radius around his farm, 432 00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:36.680 a lot of the sightings are within that radius. So I'm guessing because 433 00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:40.319 we know that that family grouping has been there for about sixty years, so 434 00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:45.519 I'm guessing that they're out foraging from that one location. Is our guests, 435 00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:52.319 what's the physical descriptions, like you guys get in consistent color and height Usually 436 00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:55.440 one of the things that I hear from people, and it varies a little 437 00:28:55.440 --> 00:29:00.440 bit, but some of the witnesses that I've seen relative like close that said 438 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.039 that they've observed them, you know, at very close range for an extended 439 00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:07.960 period of time or what have you. A lot of them describe them really 440 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:11.920 similar to like a silver back but upright, that's actually a quote from one 441 00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:18.039 of the guys that I spoke with not too long ago, So very primeate 442 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:22.960 like features like a great ape a little bit more flat, but then usually 443 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:26.200 there's no fur on the face, or at least not as much. They 444 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:30.480 seem to be extremely still usually when people see him around here as well, 445 00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:34.599 somebody mistook one for a stump and actually walked right by one, and then 446 00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:38.279 the stump got up and walked away. They do. They do vary in 447 00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:42.440 height, but then they would have to if they're, you know, an 448 00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:47.200 actual animal grouping. They couldn't be all eight foot tall. You know, 449 00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:49.200 are you hearing like there's an eight foot one, like a seven foot one, 450 00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:53.559 then two smaller ones like six foot or yes, yeah, actually it's 451 00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:59.720 been the one guy spotted three very small ones. They were he was up 452 00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:04.200 his tree stand. He was baiting deer, and he had corn scattered on 453 00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:08.119 the ground, and he had fallen asleep, and well, he's dozing, 454 00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:14.640 and then he suddenly heard noises and he woke up and looked down and there 455 00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:19.400 were three small, he said, ape like creatures that were eating the corn. 456 00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:22.279 So he sat very very still, and he glanced at his watch. 457 00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:26.519 So he watched them for about ten minutes while they were eating the corn. 458 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:29.240 And then he thinks the wind shifted because all of a sudden, there was 459 00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:33.759 this big harumph from the a large thicket where it sounded like an adult was 460 00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:37.960 there, and they all three looked up and looked at the adult that that 461 00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:41.160 direction, which is where he thinks the adult was, and they all ran 462 00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:45.279 that direction. But he has since gone back multiple times and they've come back 463 00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:51.039 to feed on the corn. And he said, and it's interesting because it's 464 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:56.160 down a road very close to a road called Monkey Hollow Road, which all 465 00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:57.960 the old timers in this area said, well, that's where all the monkeys 466 00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:06.240 are generally scene, which it's just interesting to hear that. Stay tuned for 467 00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:10.799 more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo will be right back after these messages. 468 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:18.680 Well, yeah, it's long been noted that you can kind of tell 469 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:23.920 the presence of sasquatches sometimes based on the geographical features in the area, and 470 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:29.440 a Monkey Hollow Road or Monkey Hill or Monkey Mountain or Monkey Ridge or Monkey 471 00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:32.599 Creek, those are all strong indicators. Then I find that to be true 472 00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:34.640 to this day out where I live. Where you go to you know, 473 00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:40.160 Double's this, Double's that, Double's Ridge, Devil's Creek, Devil's Fall, 474 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:47.200 Devil's Meadow, ogre Creek. All these names Tarzan Springs. That's awesome. 475 00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:52.079 That's awesome. Now, Yeah, Joe Beelart wrote writes about that and his 476 00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:56.160 excellent book, The Big Highway Book there that he actually tracked down someone in 477 00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:00.440 the I think the federal government that told him the origin of that name was 478 00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:02.400 in the nineteen twenties. I could be wrong about the decade, but I 479 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:07.440 think it's the nineteen twenties. Surveyors were up there and they ran across a 480 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:10.920 lone prospector kind of fellow out there living in the woods, and he reportedly 481 00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:15.240 was living amongst the apes and in thee I think it was the twenties. 482 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.680 Again, I could be wrong about that, but this is a time before 483 00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:22.640 television and everything. So the big book that everybody was talking about, you 484 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:24.720 know what, They weren't talking about the TV shows or anything, talking about 485 00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:29.480 Game of Thrones or something. They were reading books, and so they the 486 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.000 big book at the time was Tarzan. Essentially, it just come out recently 487 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:36.119 and everybody was all a flutter about it. And so when they heard about 488 00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:40.440 the guy living amongst the apes out there down the Clackamous River, they named 489 00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:45.400 that place Tarzan Springs. That's awesome story. Yeah, yeah, he has 490 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:49.680 a great little bit of a local history and legend, and of course that 491 00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:52.160 area is thick with history as well. I don't know if you remember the 492 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:57.160 John Green stories about a guy named Glenn Thomas. He's the guy who saw 493 00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:00.359 the sasquatches digging out the rock the hybernating ground scrolls from the rocks the Taylors 494 00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:06.640 Slopes. That spot is less than three miles away from Tarzan Springs, and 495 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.160 so there's a lot of activity even to the present day. That's very awesome. 496 00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:14.160 Yeah, very cool. No, so as far as your museum goes, 497 00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:15.160 I want to get back to that a little bit because I'm very interested. 498 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.759 Obviously, I owned my own, so I'm interested in what sort of 499 00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:22.680 trials and tribulations you guys went through in opening. I mean, for me 500 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:24.480 it was COVID. I mean I opened and then two or three months later 501 00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:28.920 COVID shut us down for months, months and months, which is a really 502 00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:32.200 crappy way to start a business. Yes, same time, you know, 503 00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:35.680 you started out with that at zero. There's only one way to go, 504 00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:37.640 it's up. So in a way it kind of benefited me in that sort 505 00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:40.559 of way, and it taught me to be very conservative with my money, 506 00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:45.559 because you never know everything will fall to crap right away. So what sort 507 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:51.720 of difficulties and issues did you have upon while going through your opening process. 508 00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.920 I would say it was pretty much the same, honestly, because we opened 509 00:33:55.240 --> 00:34:01.720 basically during COVID. Now we opened partly that business to help our the country 510 00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:06.039 stores survive COVID. That was kind of my thought was like, hey, 511 00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:08.719 let's have a free museum. There's a real thing, there's real stories around 512 00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:14.239 here, it's a very real local legend, so why not promote it. 513 00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:15.320 And we just made the museum, and I was like, let's see if 514 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:20.719 we can draw in business that way and survived COVID while also talking about local 515 00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:23.679 history and folklore, and it seemed to just do really well from there. 516 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:29.920 But I would say pretty much the same thing where the fact it's a in 517 00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:35.119 the middle of the pandemic, and then we obviously had we've had a couple 518 00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.760 of bad winners during that too, where nobody could get out here. And 519 00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:43.840 then we live in a super tiny town where, yeah, like COVID made 520 00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:47.119 everybody stay inside already, so the very few people that were here all just 521 00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:52.639 disappeared kind of and then, obviously towards the tail end of COVID, my 522 00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:57.039 dad passed away because me and him founded it, and that was very difficult. 523 00:34:57.119 --> 00:35:00.360 We were closed for a couple of months after that too. So your 524 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:04.480 dad was one of the original founders of the museum. Yeah. He actually 525 00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.039 wrote a book too that we have available in the museum and stuff, where 526 00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:13.119 he compiled a bunch of historic accounts from all over. He was all over 527 00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:15.880 the country, right, Yeah. It was called The wild Man of North 528 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:21.679 America, and he basically went from nineteen fifty back to the Revolutionary War to 529 00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:25.360 actually do research because in this area, Bigfoot is called the Old Man of 530 00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:29.719 the Mountain, and people would actually get a little bit hostile and we said, 531 00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:30.679 oh, it's Bigfoot, and they would say, no, no, 532 00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:36.679 no, that's a make believe thing out of Hollywood. This is an animal, 533 00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:38.480 and they just kept saying that. So then it got him thinking, 534 00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:43.639 well maybe because he said, you just can't have something just suddenly appear in 535 00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:47.239 the nineteen sixties and seventies and be legit. So he went back and started 536 00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:52.000 looking for local names to see what people like, what he could find that 537 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:54.400 were in newspaper articles, and it was amazing how many he found all over 538 00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:59.960 the country of recited reportings. Mostly they would say, oh, we think 539 00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:04.480 think a gorilla escaped from the circus. But then he did research and found 540 00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:08.400 out that none of the circuses in America have ever had a gorilla as part 541 00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:13.280 of their act, so gorillas couldn't have escaped from the circus. Yell. 542 00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:17.239 Then, yeah, here was that book. It was It was printed well 543 00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:22.239 the year he died, actually twenty two or twenty one, twenty I think 544 00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:24.320 it came out twenty twenty five in the Winner of twenty one maybe, yeah, 545 00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:27.960 and it's called The wild Man of Going to America. Yeah, it 546 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.639 was very recent, but he just went through it just and it's basically just 547 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:35.719 reprints of the old news articles where people were talking about these weird occurrences and 548 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:39.400 they were in a colloquial term for them necessarily, so they call them anything 549 00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:44.760 from a wild man to like an ape or a devil, et cetera. 550 00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:46.519 Like there's a whole list of different terms, so we just kind of just 551 00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:52.960 pick out keywords and then tie the articles in with that. Stoneman was another 552 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:57.639 big one that's down south par of the state and then southwestern Virginia too. 553 00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:00.480 Yeah, He basically just put a bunch to them altogether in this book, 554 00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:04.480 and we've it's been cool to meet people that have read it and whatnot. 555 00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:08.199 A few people have got signatures of it too, which has been neat since 556 00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:13.320 then. And what was your dad's name, Lewis Pedalikio. I having to 557 00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:15.679 write that down because I just did a Google search for The wild Man of 558 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:20.199 North America and nothing comes up. No, it is. It is out 559 00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:22.480 of print. I've got to get a new publisher and get it republished. 560 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:28.360 He went through Lulu, which was like on Amazon for a while, but 561 00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:32.920 it has not been showing up on Amazon recently. I ordered one hundred about 562 00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:36.440 a year ago and those are all sold out, and I've just got to 563 00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:39.039 get it reprinted. Well, that's interesting. I'm kind of a you know, 564 00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:43.360 a fan of books in general, and I have a pretty great big 565 00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:46.440 Foot book collection. It says Bobo. Actually Bobo has an astonishing collection. 566 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:51.519 Well, I like it just because they're actual, Like he was able because 567 00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:54.719 it was nineteen fifties and before, there's no copyright on the full article, 568 00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:58.920 so he could do the full article and not have to you know, like 569 00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:00.800 redact it, you know what I mean, with all that you have to 570 00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:05.480 do nowadays for copyright. Because he didn't have to worry about copyright infringement, 571 00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:07.920 he was able to do the whole article, which was actually very informative. 572 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:13.599 I think. Yeah, something else I found very interesting. I'm fascinated by 573 00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:17.119 feral people as it relates to Bigfoot, and how a lot of that stuff 574 00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:22.800 tends to bleed over or into each other. Where you have feral people, 575 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:27.039 you'll have Bigfoot, and then people talk about like in a really mean wild 576 00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:30.360 man, and nine times out of ten, when it's extremely hostile encounter with 577 00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:36.679 somebody, it's basically a person that's feral. Like there's one account from Flatwoods 578 00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:38.440 where that's the case, where it's they talk about it and it seems like 579 00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:42.519 you're talking about Bigfoot initially where it's big hairy man that's like, you know, 580 00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:45.840 terrorizing the area or whatever. But then they mentioned, oh, yeah, 581 00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:47.599 he had tattered clothes on him, like I don't think that was Bigfoot, 582 00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:53.079 and somebody actually ended up shooting him a couple of times. But yeah, 583 00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:57.840 I mean, I think that from what we've seen here, at least 584 00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:02.000 a lot of the Bigfoot stuff where I think it's an actual like an ape 585 00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:07.920 of some kind or relic commented like Jeff things, it seems to be a 586 00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:12.199 lot less aggressive, whereas feral human encounters teams tend to be a lot more 587 00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.760 negative. I've noticed. I so humans are probably the most dangerous ape. 588 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:22.119 Yeah, the most dangerous games. Yeah. Yeah, who gets aggressive? 589 00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:25.920 Like interactions that you're when you're talking with people here, like they were aggressive? 590 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.320 Is it hunters, fishermen, hikers, farmers? Honestly, I mean 591 00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:36.039 we we've only had one. Yeah, we've had very I've had one that 592 00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:38.960 was verbal, and then we have one that's written in our big binder in 593 00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:43.800 the museum. Most of them are super passive, but the few where it's 594 00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:46.079 hostile. There's the one that I'll let you tell it because that was something 595 00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:50.519 to talk to you in the store. Yeah, it was kind of interesting. 596 00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:54.519 So one of the things the West Virginia encounters pretty much across the board 597 00:39:55.119 --> 00:40:00.360 are very passive. It's more that people are scared because they are seeing something 598 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:04.920 that their brain is just not processing. You know, like, WHOA, 599 00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:07.639 this thing is really big. It could kill me, but then it doesn't, 600 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:10.800 you know what I mean. It's that kind of thing. And so 601 00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:15.039 up until that point, I would always say, well, there's no record 602 00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:19.679 of anyone ever being hurt by one in West Virginia. And this guy and 603 00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:22.719 this lady were standing there and he looks at her and she looks at him, 604 00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:24.280 and he pulls his shirt back and he says, you can't say that 605 00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:30.400 anymore. And his left shoulder looked like mincemeat. And I'm like, what 606 00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:36.840 on earth happened? And he said that a year before in our neighboring county 607 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:39.559 in the New River Gorge, which is the newest National Park area. But 608 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:43.480 it's a very very deep gorge, kind of like the Grand Canyon, but 609 00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:49.039 with a whole lot of woods. And there's this whitewater rafting river that goes 610 00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:53.199 through at the New River on the show. Okay, yes, then you 611 00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:58.599 know, very remote in some of the areas. So he had taken this 612 00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:01.840 girl that he was wanting to take on a date swimming, but he was 613 00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:05.679 familiar with the river and it was a very large man and she was this 614 00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:09.000 tiny little thing and when she got in the river, she got swept away 615 00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:13.079 almost right away, and he's thinking, oh, cred, I'm gonna lose 616 00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:16.960 her on our first date and awkward. So he was swimming as hard as 617 00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:20.960 he could to catch up to her, and they had gotten swept down about 618 00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:24.239 a mile when he saw a flat rock coming up, and he bounced off 619 00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:28.360 the bottom and threw her out of the water onto the rock, and then 620 00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:31.000 grabbed the rock and pulled himself out. And he said, when they'd gotten 621 00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:35.639 out of the water, he was facing the hillside. She was facing the 622 00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:39.199 river, and there was this large creature standing there and it was really angry, 623 00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:44.440 and it picked up this rock and it threw it directly at his head. 624 00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:49.480 He ducked and it went through his shoulder and hit the water. She 625 00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.760 screamed landslide because all she saw was a rock hitting the water and started to 626 00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:55.840 turn around. He's like, don't scream, because the thing was already picking 627 00:41:55.920 --> 00:42:00.840 up a second rock. He he said, and all this stuff was like 628 00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:04.199 rushing through his head. He realized that it was angry at him only, 629 00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:07.239 and didn't seem to be focusing anything on her. And then he thought, 630 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.159 oh, it thinks I was trying to hurt her, because he had thrown 631 00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:14.079 her hard out of the water, and she was scared because she was almost 632 00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:16.239 drowning, and he said, hug me, so it knows where together. 633 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:21.320 So she threw her arms around him, and it dropped the rock and just 634 00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:23.280 stood there and swayed. And then he realized in order to get back to 635 00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:27.440 the car, they were going to have to hype right by it. And 636 00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:30.119 he's like, this thing he had gone through three tours and in Afghanistan, 637 00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:34.239 and he's like, I literally got out of there without one scratch, and 638 00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:37.079 I come home to my own town and I'm gonna get killed by bigfoot, 639 00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.440 you know, like this is crazy. And so he told her when we 640 00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:44.000 get to the tree where it was standing next to, he said, just 641 00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:45.519 run and I'll try and hold it off. And he's thinking there's not going 642 00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:49.760 to be anything left of me by the time she gets to the car and 643 00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:53.039 calls nine to one one. And but in that short time where he turned 644 00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:57.320 to her and said run and he turned back, it had already melted into 645 00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:00.159 the forest. But they said they felt like it watched them the whole way 646 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:04.480 back because they could just feel it watching them. So he made her hold 647 00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:07.480 his hand the whole way back, and she got him to the hospital and 648 00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:10.519 he got his shoulder fixed up. They did end up getting married, so 649 00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:14.719 it all ended up really good. But he said, yeah, you can 650 00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:17.719 never say that nobody's ever been hurt by one, because I definitely was. 651 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.719 Well, you said the rock passed through his shoulder, Well, not quite 652 00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:24.480 like directly through it, It just took a big chunk out of it, 653 00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:28.199 basically. Yeah, because he said if he hadn't ducked, it would have 654 00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:30.840 hit his head and killed him. He said it was a very large rock, 655 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:34.039 and he's convinced it would have killed him, and that it had every 656 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:37.719 intention of killing him. He thinks that it was protecting her because she was 657 00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:43.880 tiny. They both felt that way that they thought that it thought he was 658 00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:46.280 hurting her and was trying to protect her because none of the anger was at 659 00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:50.639 her, it was all at him. Yeah. Some great apes have this 660 00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:54.400 like protective behavior that gets triggered when they see that, even in humans, 661 00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:58.480 which I thought that was kind of interesting when I heard that story as well, 662 00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:00.880 where I'm like, maybe it's just something a year old that's ingrained in 663 00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:05.800 it, and it didn't really discern between human and its own kind. It 664 00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:07.960 was just like, oh, small females getting attacked, I need to do 665 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:10.880 something about. That might have been about all that there was to it. 666 00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:15.440 I love that he saw his opportunity and said, quick, hug me, 667 00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:17.480 so the Bigfoot doesn't attack me, That's what I said. I'm like, 668 00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:21.920 yeah, right, good, Yeah, he told her about to look, 669 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:25.880 don't look, just hug me. It's that horror movie trope. Yeah, 670 00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.400 was his shoulder? Was his shoulder like scarred or it was fresh fresh? 671 00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:32.119 And said it was like hamburger? No, it was it had been it 672 00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:36.000 had been a year, so it was heavily scarred, like it just looked 673 00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:39.000 really bad. When he pulled his shirt down across his shoulder. I'm like, 674 00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:43.079 oh my word, what happened? And I mean it looked really bad. 675 00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:45.280 And I'm like, and you married him after this? She goes, 676 00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:50.199 yeah, I guess I'm a blunt for punishment, but I did happily ever 677 00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:55.920 after after big Yeah, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and 678 00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:05.880 Bogo. Will be right back. After these messages. Well, I'm going 679 00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:08.239 to share the conversation back to the museum again because that's what I do. 680 00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:15.639 Tell us about some of your maybe favorite plack a better term displays and exhibits 681 00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:22.039 that you have there and how they came about. I would say probably my 682 00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:29.320 section with Gigantopithecus the Mountain gorilla skull and then the orangutang skull. I'm trying 683 00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:34.199 to basically, I'm not suggesting Bigfoot is a gigantipithecus by any stretch of imagination, 684 00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:39.039 but I always like to point people to that to basically suggest there's been 685 00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:45.239 gigantic primates in the past, to try and destigmatize the notion of Bigfoot being 686 00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:49.239 out there, because then it gets people going like, well, I guess 687 00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:51.960 that's true. Like I've talked to a lot of skeptics with the museum, 688 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:55.239 and then once you dive into those subjects, like we have current primates that 689 00:45:55.280 --> 00:46:00.400 are huge now, and then we also have a fossil record that suggests that 690 00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:05.760 we had a much larger one that was I want to say, excess to 691 00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:09.159 like seventeen hundred pounds and ten feet tall in the past. So why would 692 00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:15.320 something relatively similar that was also a primate. Why couldn't one still potentially exist? 693 00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:21.280 And that seems to actually have a big positive impact on skeptic conversations. 694 00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:23.519 Now, I imagine most of the people and I basically this on my own 695 00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:28.360 experience here, most of the people who come in are pretty either open to 696 00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:31.719 the subjects or already think they're real. Oh yeah, no, no, 697 00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:38.320 we get a ton of skeptics. I would say about twenty five to fifty 698 00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:43.000 percent. No kidding, that's a lot larger percentage than what I find in 699 00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:45.440 my own museum. Well, it's probably people from not in the area, 700 00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:49.239 right, Well, yeah, it's partly that we get West Virginians too, 701 00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:52.559 but I think a lot of it is because of the dichotomy of the businesses. 702 00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:57.440 So we have our museums free. It's a big, Bigfoot museum, 703 00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:01.039 and then there's obviously the country Store right next to it. So nine times 704 00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:07.280 out of ten it's a family because we do steer everything towards like family and 705 00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:12.320 working class people being able to have fun and go on vacation. So usually 706 00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:15.400 the father will be into Bigfoot and the mom will be into the country store 707 00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:20.719 or vice versas sometimes and then one of them will be a hardcore skeptic and 708 00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:23.360 the other one will think it's awesome. So there's like it's always something along 709 00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:27.480 those lines of dichotomy, even with the kids. Like usually the kids will 710 00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:32.920 be split right down the middle when a hardcore sceptic comes in and they're accompanied 711 00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:37.599 by someone who's already believing, and that's not an issue at all. Do 712 00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:40.119 you ever see never see fireworks erupt like I told you, I told you, 713 00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:43.760 or that sort of thing back and forth with some sort of family dynamic 714 00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:46.920 that you didn't exactly anticipate. Oh yeah, well, usually it ends up 715 00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:49.960 being kind of like sports teams where like you have, you know, a 716 00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:54.039 Cowboys fan and they have a Pittsburgh Steelers fan or something similar premise where they'll 717 00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:59.960 get into that and I've obviously I've talked to a lot of people where they're 718 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:02.079 I don't know, I talked to a lot of skeptics. I guess it's 719 00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:06.480 just kind of what I do. But I try to always find good common 720 00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:08.480 ground with them before I dive into it too much, because they'll be like, 721 00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:12.039 well there's nobody. I'm like, yeah, there's nobody. They're like, 722 00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:14.159 oh, you agree with me. I'm like, well, yeah, 723 00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:16.440 I don't have a body. I just show you. So like people get 724 00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:21.280 a little bit surprised when they don't get met with like uh, I don't 725 00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:23.480 know how to put it, like forceful response to that where I'm like I'm 726 00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:27.079 not offended. If somebody says I don't believe in bigfoot, I'm like, 727 00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:30.880 okay, it's a real museum. You're welcome to look at it anyway. 728 00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.800 Exactly when I think, I think, I approach it a little differently. 729 00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:38.119 Usually I send the more scientific ones to David to handle. But my thing 730 00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:42.880 is I just tell people where I was coming from and what changed my mind, 731 00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:45.800 and I listened to and I repeat the stories that people have told me 732 00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:52.440 to them, and we get a lot of people leaving thinking a little bit 733 00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:55.719 more seriously about it than when they came. Yeah, they'll start out kind 734 00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:59.320 of negative, and then they'll check it out and give it a fair shake, 735 00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:00.840 because I think being free is actually a big part of it too, 736 00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:05.239 because they're like, well, what's to lose? And then I really am 737 00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:08.079 a big fan of trying to use natural history as a tool for the conversation, 738 00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:13.800 at least because natural history itself is pretty insane when it really comes down 739 00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:17.239 to it. You had everything from sea scorpions to giants' laws, to saber 740 00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:22.360 tooth tigers to cave bears, and the list goes on and on. Bigfoot 741 00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:28.039 really doesn't end up being that crazy outlandish when you compare it to the rest 742 00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:32.840 of this massive fossil record of just about everything you could imagine. Yeah, 743 00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:37.599 it makes perfect sense. I mean, being perfectly normal animals. Everything about 744 00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:39.039 them kind of does make sense in a lot of ways. You know. 745 00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:45.519 Well, brek is a nice segue into another question I kind of have, 746 00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:47.840 and I've been kind of pondering this recently. You know, I live on 747 00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:51.360 the West Coast, Bobo lives in the West Coast, and I have all 748 00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:53.239 my life travel a fair amount here and there and stuff. But I mean, 749 00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:57.559 I've always lived here is a thing, and just like a fish may 750 00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:02.920 not notice the water that it's swimming in, I'm curious about the prevalence of 751 00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:07.800 of like paranormal thoughts about sasquatches back where you are, Because when I was 752 00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:12.039 in West Virginia, and again I was an outsider visiting for a week or 753 00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:15.079 two, I've been there a handful of times and that's about it. My 754 00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:19.199 My general take on the on the area and the people in particular is that 755 00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.280 they're very pragmatic, down to earth, salt of the earth sort of folks, 756 00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:27.920 and they don't have a lot of time for paranormal Uh what is the 757 00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:30.760 word like pursuits? Yeah, pursuits in that sort of way. You know, 758 00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:32.880 do you do you? But I think I'm on the West coast, 759 00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:36.760 you know, like nuts and granola sort of folks and a lot of lot 760 00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:38.119 and there's nothing against I have nothing against that, you know. There's a 761 00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:40.760 little bit of that in me too in some sort of ways. And therefore 762 00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:45.840 I think that people that here, I believe that this is stereotyping, of 763 00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:52.000 course, but I am from here or perhaps more inclined to think that crystals 764 00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:55.119 play a role in your health or something like that. Oh yes, yeah, 765 00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:59.599 yeah, yeah, So so do you am I way off base here 766 00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:05.639 or is or is sort of strong vein of paranormal beliefs in the in your 767 00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:07.159 part of the country as well, and you see that a lot. I 768 00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:13.559 would say it kind of depends with regards to bigfoot specifically, the vast majority 769 00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:17.119 of cases and whatnot that I've read or talked to people about, they're almost 770 00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:21.480 all very natural. They think it's an animal. They don't think it teleports 771 00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:25.679 or flies in spaceships or those to other dimensions. Usually there's exceptions to those 772 00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:30.280 accounts where some people will claim that it disappeared or something like that, but 773 00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:36.239 those are I mean, that's maybe two percent maybe if that. Now, 774 00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:42.079 in terms of general paranormal stuff. Yeah, I mean that's super big in 775 00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:46.119 backwoods Appalachia. In general, we've met, I've talked a lot because I'm 776 00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:51.719 a Christian and so is she, So we talk about our religion pretty openly 777 00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:55.440 with people all the time. And I've talked to tons of witches and stuff 778 00:51:55.480 --> 00:52:00.679 in the area, Pagans, various New Age type folks, and we'll have 779 00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:08.039 like legitimate conversations about religion with regards to ghosts, UFO's demons, everything. 780 00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:13.880 I'll know if I answered your question super well. But it's definitely prevalent in 781 00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:17.679 terms of folklore for sure. But I think with when Bigfoot is concerned, 782 00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:28.159 I would say I've only had one story where they were saying that it was 783 00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:34.880 appearing and disappearing in front of them, but the behavior was so off compared 784 00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:38.440 to what everybody else says when they see it. I don't think they were 785 00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:42.079 seeing Bigfoot, if you know what I mean. Yeah, just some sort 786 00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:45.400 of outlier in the data that doesn't Yes, Yes, yeah, I was. 787 00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:50.119 I'm curious about that because obviously being in a similar position to you at 788 00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:52.119 a Bigfoot museum and even Bobo down in northern California, ex everybody knows who 789 00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:55.920 bobo Ise. He's famous. Yeah, can't go out with that here to 790 00:52:55.960 --> 00:53:00.760 Bigfoot story probably. You know, I don't hear a lot of normal stuff. 791 00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:05.000 I hear a lot of paranormal stuff from very loud paranormal people like who 792 00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:08.239 have a very large well they have a big microphone or big megaphone as they 793 00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:13.360 say. But that's kind of it. In my day to day stuff here 794 00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:15.519 at the museum, I don't. I just don't get stories like that. 795 00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:22.679 And when the paranormal advocate would say something like like, no clip they do 796 00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:25.119 go in inter dimensional whatevers and you know all that stuff, And I said, 797 00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:29.639 well, then why aren't I hearing about it? The average Joe doesn't. 798 00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:31.719 Yeah, no, it's less than one percent. And it's far less 799 00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:36.159 than one percent of the stuff I hear. And they always say, oh, 800 00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:37.639 that's because they know who you are, and they're not going to tell 801 00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:40.400 you that because you aren't going to believe them. And I'm just thinking, 802 00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:45.599 well, isn't that a convenient argument to have? But you're experiencing the same 803 00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:49.920 thing. It's just not there for the most part. Yeah, I would 804 00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:53.000 say the vast majority of big Foot stuff is not like spiritual Now, some 805 00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:58.320 people try and add that in to their own perception of the encounter, which 806 00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:00.559 is their prerogative. I'm not trying to be aful or anything like that, 807 00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:04.039 but in terms of the meat and potatoes though, no, usually it's not 808 00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:08.760 that said. Bigfoot is almost always a segue for people to dive into aliens, 809 00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:13.480 angels, or demons, almost every time, because they tend to just 810 00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:16.639 they're not saying Bigfoot is one. I think they're saying that if you're open 811 00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:22.599 to this, then maybe you're open to X, Y and Z subject which 812 00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:27.039 I end up talking about all kinds of random stuff after Bigfoot. Basically does 813 00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:30.960 that make sense? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, and it kind of echoes 814 00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:35.400 what what my thoughts were is like, I don't think this is a I 815 00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:40.280 don't think that my situation is a necessarily a cliff tainted input, you know, 816 00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:43.599 like, Oh, they're just not going to tell you about the thing, 817 00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:46.840 you know, when it started glowing and flew away or something like that, 818 00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:50.760 because because your cliff and they know that you don't buy that stuff, 819 00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:53.000 so they're going to hide that part of the story for you. But you're 820 00:54:53.039 --> 00:55:00.360 finding something similar because I'm I'm I'm a rather vocal proponent of these things being 821 00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:04.800 a perfectly normal animal and the paranormal stuff. I do think they're very intelligent 822 00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:07.679 animals. Yeah, I think they're probably like one of the highest forms of 823 00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:12.480 well grade eight, because I know, when you get into the conversation of 824 00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:15.239 homined and Grade eight people like, well humans are great apes. I'm like, 825 00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:21.239 I know, I'm trying to differentiate them for normal people. But I 826 00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:25.440 think it's definitely the most intelligent Grade eight that would exist. Probably. I 827 00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:30.559 think it's senses in terms of smell, site and how it not in terms 828 00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:34.679 of woo woo feels stuff, but in terms of like, oh I could 829 00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:37.599 it can feel Maybe it can feel electronics, you know how when we walk 830 00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:43.719 underneath a huge power line, even humans can feel like a vibration from the 831 00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:47.280 electric It kind of just makes me wonder if that's something it's hyper sensitive too, 832 00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:51.960 so it can sense it with trail cameras and phones and everything else as 833 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:54.679 well. But yeah, I don't. I definitely don't think it's an alien 834 00:55:54.840 --> 00:56:00.960 in my opinion, And I definitely do think that's either a relic commented like 835 00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:07.440 Meldrum would argue, or it's a lost Grade eight like I would argue. 836 00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:12.639 I feel like a lot of the stories like to me the hunters. The 837 00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:17.840 hunters are always describing it a whole lot more differently, or the old time, 838 00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:23.119 the old time farmers will describe it a lot more differently than then the 839 00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:25.840 girls that are out on their four by four and get scared of it, 840 00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:30.079 you know what I mean. Well, my favorite was these these two girls 841 00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:35.760 would go across the ridge, and again these are these are quite the ridges 842 00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:38.920 in this area. So they would go across the ridge and visit their grandmother 843 00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:40.679 who was on the other side of the ridge. But they would go by 844 00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:45.079 four by four and they would travel over there, and they would play games 845 00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:47.960 with her on the weekends. And the one night it got really late and 846 00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:52.199 they were on their way back around twelve midnight, and they came around the 847 00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:57.760 corner and there was this huge being standing in the middle of the road, 848 00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:01.199 and according to them, it was fourteen feet and its eyes were flaming, 849 00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:07.079 and they were terrified, and then they exec they executed a four point turn 850 00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:12.880 on an incredibly narrow mountain ridge road, you know, in an open four 851 00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:16.320 by four within its reach, and managed to get it turned around while they 852 00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:20.840 were screaming their heads off. And then got back to Grandma's house. And 853 00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:23.199 in the interview, I'm like, did it reach out? Nope, it 854 00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:30.679 just stood there and looked at him like they were crazy. But it's so 855 00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:36.119 different from the hunters. The hunters are describing between you know, between six 856 00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:43.320 to eight feet tall animal like behavior. They all describe a very intelligent animal 857 00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:45.960 like the one that he was talking about, where it was a stump. 858 00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:52.079 And this guy came flying in here after his experience and he's like, I 859 00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:54.960 thought you were nuts for starting this museum until I saw it for myself. 860 00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:58.639 And we hear that a lot. Well, until I saw it for myself, 861 00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:01.280 I didn't believe it. But then they usually have time to study it 862 00:58:01.639 --> 00:58:06.880 and while they're in the hunting blind and they're watching its behavior, or in 863 00:58:06.920 --> 00:58:10.880 this case, it was watching him for three hours. It sat and watched 864 00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:15.199 him, and he thought he was looking at a stump until the stump stood 865 00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:16.639 up and looked directly at him. But he had his scope on it, 866 00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:20.280 and he said he got a really good look. It was only about seven 867 00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:23.639 feet tall, but he said he realized right then that a dear rifle would 868 00:58:23.639 --> 00:58:29.480 not stop it. You must just hear story after story after story because my 869 00:58:29.559 --> 00:58:31.400 experience back in the Appellation. That's why I'm basing this on at least my 870 00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:37.119 appillations. Appellation folk are very friendly and love to talk about some stuff, 871 00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:39.320 you know, they just love to tell their Now, I don't know if 872 00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:42.599 you have any more time, but you would you be willing to stick around 873 00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:45.039 a little bit and do a little time with us during our members episode and 874 00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:49.880 tell some of your favorite stories that you've heard. Certainly, Yeah, if 875 00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:53.360 you don't mind, that'd be great, Bobo, anything on any last minute 876 00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:57.840 things for our regular episode before we go to the members sing that's so I 877 00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:00.920 want to I know the people want to hear like what what what are you 878 00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:02.159 guys hearing? Like what are you? What are they seeing? Yes, 879 00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:06.519 let's go get to that. All right, Yeah, let's do that. 880 00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:08.400 But before we get off the regular episode, I want to remind everybody that, 881 00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:12.800 uh, this is these are the founders or the runners I guess the 882 00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:15.760 curators of the West Virginia Bigfoot Museum in Sutton, West Virginia. Go. 883 00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:19.320 I mean, if I am in that part of the country, I will 884 00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:22.000 absolutely go. Everybody needs to go see all the big Foot museums they possibly 885 00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:25.079 can. But West Virginia. One god. West Virginia is one of my 886 00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:30.920 favorite Eastern probably is my favorite Eastern state honestly. And also if I can 887 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:35.480 chime in real quick, I forgot to talk about this earlier, but we're 888 00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:37.280 also one of the only towns in the United States that has two cryptids. 889 00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:42.320 I tell you that. No, we have the Flatwood's Monster too. Oh 890 00:59:42.320 --> 00:59:45.039 that's you guys. That's right in our same town. That's our visitors bureau 891 00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:49.880 for the county. Andrew Smith runs that. But it's literally just like four 892 00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:52.719 doors down from us. We wanted to plug that while we had a chance. 893 00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:54.800 Yeah, because he's awesome. We love the museum or is there a 894 00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:59.679 flat Woods Museum or like, yeah, he runs he runs the Flatwood's Monster 895 00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:04.079 Museum, Andrew Smith does. It's the place to be man, Yeah, 896 01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:08.000 apparently so and also speaking to places to be June twenty seven through twenty ninth, 897 01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:12.079 it's a West Virginia Bigfoot Festival and taking a stab in the dark. 898 01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:14.639 Is that the name of this? Yes, absolutely, the West Virginia Bigfoot 899 01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:19.280 Festival. And it's ten dollars a car to get in, so it's very 900 01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.760 affordable and a whole lot of fun. If you want to just get immersed 901 01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:25.920 in West Virginia culture and all things Bigfoot, come all out. Where can 902 01:00:25.960 --> 01:00:30.920 people find information on this or buy tickets? I would go to West Virginia 903 01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:36.280 Bigfoot Museum on Facebook or WV Bigfoot Museum on Instagram, and not on Twitter. 904 01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:39.639 I think it's just Bigfoot Museum if I remember brectly, So any of 905 01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:44.800 those three should have a ton of posters about it. And you don't have 906 01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:47.719 to buy tickets in advance. You just show up and so we'll see how 907 01:00:47.760 --> 01:00:51.480 many come. But it should be a lot of fun. We have a 908 01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:57.239 whole lot of really amazing crafters, so there's and food, trucks and music 909 01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:00.159 and bounce houses and yeah, just a whole lot of fun. David and 910 01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:04.920 Laurel, there you go. So yeah, thank you very much for coming 911 01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:07.480 on, and we're gonna pop over to our member section for our members. 912 01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:10.159 If you are listening and are interested in being a member, go to Bigfoot 913 01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:14.239 to be on podcast dot com hit the membership button, or you can always 914 01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:15.880 click that link in the show notes. Because mister Matt Pruitt, who is 915 01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:20.519 absent today, he's in the woods doing Bigfoot stuff. He will put that 916 01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:22.320 link in the show notes. And what you get for that, what you 917 01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:27.119 get for your measly five dollars a month, which is just a beer with 918 01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:30.159 no tip. Think of it like that. For the cost of one beer 919 01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:35.440 and no tip, you get an extra hour of Cliff and Bobo and Matt 920 01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:38.079 every single week. And you also get this episode that you're listening to right 921 01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:44.599 now, our regular episode with zero commercials. Zero commercials. So if you're 922 01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:47.239 tired of hearing commercials about garbage you don't want to buy, feel free to 923 01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:50.599 give us five bucks a month, and then you don't have to do that 924 01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:52.760 ever again. So there you go. Thank you very much. David and 925 01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:55.239 Laurel. We're gonna pop over to our member section right now, but Bobo 926 01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:58.960 in the meantime, can you take us out of here. I'll try, 927 01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:01.920 guys, all right, Thanks to David and Laurel. We appreciate you, 928 01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:12.679 guys, and until next week, y'all keep it squatchy. Thanks for listening 929 01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:15.639 to this week's episode of Bigfoot and Beyond. 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