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band is Swarm in all caps,
by the way, from Texas, and

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we've got them with us on Skype. Hopefully everybody can hear each other.

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Hello, are you guys there?
Can you hear me? Oh? Awesome?

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Yes, yes, I can you
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hear you? Beautiful, beautiful.
I always got nervous when we're merging calls

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with Skype, because well it's Skype, and you know how that can go.

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But it looks like we were successful. Welcome guys. Who who do

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we have on the line with us? Go ahead and introduce ourselves. I'm

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a Parish, I'm the singer of
Swarm and also the original creator. And

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then we got Bats our guitar player. Here, yep, I'm here,

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I'm Bats. I play the guitar. All right, Welcome, Welcome,

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Hey, I love your sound.
I have to say, so, we

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don't I feel like the genre of
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I feel like there's not enough of
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was a time when there were a
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don't feel like there's that many around
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when Jenny sent me you guys and
said, you know, this is a

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guest that I've booked, I listened
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one at the end of our conversation, and I was just blown away.

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This is great stuff. I really
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kind of where you where in Texas? Are you? Are you in Dallas?

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Yeah? Dallas, Texas? Okay. Yeah. We've talked to a

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number of bands over the past couple
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know, but they're always just like, you know, metal, mostly just

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straight metal. So this, uh, industrial aspect is, like I said,

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it's unusual. I mean, are
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what you're doing or do you guys
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of the only industrial metal band here
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industrial acts here which we do play
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also cross genre and play with a
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as like an actual industrial metal style
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one here in DFW. Yep,
it's just us. Yeah, So I

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would imagine doing what you're doing.
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play with a lot of industrial bands, you also play with a lot of

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metal bands. Oh yeah, yeah, because you kind of fit in either

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way, right, yeah, when
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go ahead, believe it or not. Like, yeah, our actual

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first like show is an actual band
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a deaf metal concert, no kidding, no kidding. So in a in

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a scenario like that, how does
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to it? I mean, even
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you can win them over. But
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or is there a process of kind
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you stand out a little bit,
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than what everybody else is doing.
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we performed with the Death Metal Show, which is our first concert, I

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was very nervous, like you know, and I was like, these are

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a bunch of big metal head dudes, and we're not like you know,

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up there like Cookie Waster, you
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we're not quite that heavy. So
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to take to it. But to
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as we got and you know,
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to hear you know, more metal, you know, and different kinds of

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metal. And I've been noticing,
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here lately have been cross genre,
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of metal. Like, we we're
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scene that we have and a lot
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for different kinds of music and different
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it's been it's been a it's been
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had the we've gotten to play with
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types of metal acts, and we've
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industrial acts. So it's gotten like
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We really enjoy it. Yeah,
that's excellent. Paris. You mentioned you

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started the project. Yeah, so
originally I was in a synthpop band,

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oh wow, and uh, I
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just unfriendly, mean, heavy and
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COVID time lockdowns and everything, I
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time off work. So I I
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know, a different sound palette and
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then you know, I got a
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my other band because my singer was
sick, and I was scared to death

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because it was just me and a
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I got up on stage and performed
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be, and everybody was like feeling
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and I got off stage, and
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had more offers for shows and time
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so I started reaching out and you
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changes and bats here he's been.
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members we've had so far, and
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me, Yeah, you know,
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factor and he's got a lot of
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brought into like a whole new you
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not even just like like we're catering
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know, because each one of us
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all bring it to the table,
you know. Yeah, that's great.

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New Jersey area. Oh okay,
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scene back in the early two thousands, and I'm why I moved down here.

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I didn't play for a while,
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with this guy a year and a
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you know what I want to do
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a video and he was like,
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that? So you're from the North, So what was it that brought you

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to Dallas? Oh it was during
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recession, and this is where the
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that makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah, and it and it

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worked out musically for you. That's
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took uh, it took almost fourteen
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gig with with Swarm, and I
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It's probably the best band I've ever
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lot of bands, and it's just
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Like Parish was saying, all four
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musical taste and we all bring it
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have new metal, we have industrial, we have hardcore, and it just

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all comes together. Yeah. Yeah, because yeah, oh no, go

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ahead, I was gonna add to
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like I come from the hardcore punk
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get into industrial until like three years
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me, you know. Yeah,
yeah, we're old belting pot. No,

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that's that's great. Whoops, I
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Sorry, we are going to play
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make sure it's loaded up and ready, and I accidentally started playing it a

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little seak preview of Perdition another great
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is in the band with you?
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do you have a live drummer or
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struggled with the drummer position in our
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so we do a lot of programmed
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stuff. So we started off with
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we had to part ways with him
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a little bit of an older gentleman. We love him to death. Dean,

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if you're hearing this, I said, we love you, bro.

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we've just kind of struggled with it. And then we added Germaine, who

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plays synthesizers and does all the drum
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you know, addition to him,
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energy back there just having him on
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to have a drummer. You know, we may in the future add one,

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but as of right now, we
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drum machines and stuff. But you
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they've gotta they've gotta they gotta jibe
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all got friends and it's kind of
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get along as good as we do
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a curse because we definitely want somebody
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because we spent a lot of time
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just to makes sense, you know, at the end of the day.

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Yeah, but it's it's great that
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need a drummer. I mean,
if you're when you're doing something you know,

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heavy and aggressive, you know,
industrial is the one sort of zone

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of that where you can, you
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And I know that, and this
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to somebody from Dallas or whether somebody
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it is, drummers seem to be
the hardest to find. They are.

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I have a theory about that.
I think what happens is, you know,

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when you're growing up and you want
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when you have to go have the
conversation with your parents about yeah, I

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want to play and here's what I
want to play that. And drums and

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maybe the tuba are the two instruments
where they're going to actively try to talk

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you out of. You know,
nobody wants you know, no no parents

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want you know, drums in their
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area where there's no neighbors and you
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my theory about why drummers are in
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so few of them. Oh yeah, it's definitely been a challenge. Uh

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you know, and uh we we've
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just styles it in match and stuff
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we're not actively looking for anybody.
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will come our way and we'll just
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it comes to bass, Vinnie Steel, our bass player, that guy is

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he is a show in himself.
Even if we didn't play, you can

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get there with him and his bass
and it would be a show and people

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would play to see it. Oh
yeah, he's a on stage and he

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comes from the hardcore scene too,
so he'll be it's hardcore dancing and throwing

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his bass around and he's something to
see for sure he can play that bass.

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Like our one song Heartworm will be
playing it. He will punch the

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notes in literally his guitar and still
keep playing the song. Wow. Well,

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I'm a bass player myself, so
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admire that. I'll have to Are
there videos online, like on YouTube?

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Are the videos of you guys playing
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have those. It's a swarm underscore
DTX okay, And yeah we have.

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We have a lot of live videos
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even gonna We're we're on Facebook,
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good old TikTok okay. Very good. So I'm curious too about the name.

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Uh where does the name come from? And why is it in all

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caps? And is there any particular
significance to that. So when I originally

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started this project, it didn't have
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I kind of quickly just like I
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know, and I did like a
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me of like insects buzzing and stuff. So that was kind of like the

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whole like aspect of it. And
then like you know, a lot of

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my songs are like, you know, anti government, anti this and anti

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that, sus like we swarm you
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know, it's like, I don't
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And as far as the all caps
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way the logo shaped up. It's
really not in all caps. But it's

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be honest with you, that's never
been discussed before you vote. You've opened

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a new a new discussion. Okay, okay, Yeah, it's not abbreviations

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or anything like that. Yeah,
yeah, it's funny, you know.

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Yeah, it's funny because there's some
bands too that, for whatever reason,

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just gets spelled in all caps for
no apparent reason. Like I'm a I'm

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a Kiss fan. My favorite band
is Kiss, but you'll often see Kiss

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written in all caps even though it
doesn't stand for anything. Or Rush is

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another example. You'll often see Rush
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It's just people just write it that
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of funny. Yeah, I mean
definitely the way that our logo is drawn.

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myself, so it might have a
lot to do with it. Yeah,

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yeah, no, that makes sense. Now, what about the live show,

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because obviously the music that you're doing
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of stage effects or maybe you don't
need that with your bass player who's apparently

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very energetic on stage, but I
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like a projection screen or anything like
that. So we are very like we

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have some of the best venues here
in DFW and and most of them like

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offer like full light shows and everything, and yeah, we've got it.

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Like if you if you have if
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Haltam Theater, like I I recommend
it. And you got to get a

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hot dog while you're there. But
it's, uh, it's a great place.

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And you know, as far as
we've been spoiled, like I'm not

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even gonna lie. We started off
our old drummer. When we had our

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drummer, he had a lot of
lighting rigs and lasers and it was cool

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looking, but we kinda we kind
of let that go because you know,

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setting all that stuff up on the
shows, you only got so much time

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on stage, you know, and
we never really sat down and perfected that

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aspect of it, so we've been
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definitely stuff that we've been talking about
adding. Like we just recently, I

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started incorporating a mask on certain songs
that I wear. Yeah, you know,

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it just fits to songs. And
we have a song called Heartworm where

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I wear it and stuff. So
we're definitely getting to the point where we

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are about to start investing a little
bit more in the in the actual scenery

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on stage and stuff. Yeah.
One thing we do is like I move

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around a lot, and Jermaine Bloodied
He's in the back of the said he

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moves around a lot too. He
is constantly moving, and Vince is constantly

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moving, and Parish is moving.
It's there's a lot going on on stage

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even without the lighting. Yeah,
but like Parish was saying, we're gonna

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start adding those some banners because I
don't use an AMP. I actually plug

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in directly with an AMP modeler.
Oh no, kidding that up. I

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could be on stage in two minutes
or less, plug in XLR. Done

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same thing with Vinnie Steele. You
know, I'll bet other bands that you

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play with love you for that too. That and the lack of a drummer.

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I bet other bands that you play
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I just know from my own experience, like there's nothing worse than you know,

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waiting for you know, when you
got a bunch of bands on a

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show. And I also used to
promote a lot of shows, and it's

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like, there's nothing worse than when
you're waiting for bands to set up and

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they're taking forever. Even worse when
like if you're following a band and you're

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waiting to get on stage and they're
taken forever to break everything down. But

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it sounds like you guys must be
super efficient with that, I would imagine

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with the way that you you approach
your setup. Oh yeah, about eight

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minutes the whole band, No kidding, Now, we do take the gum

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riser up though. We put Jermaine
up there and he don't has his whole

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sense station set up and everything.
Yeah, it's it's pretty incredible. I

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don't know if you've ever seen Skinny
Puppy live, but it's kind of,

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you know, like Kevin Keyes has
a setup. You know, it's monstrous.

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You know. I got to see
their last show, which was also

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my first time seeing them, and
it was sonice to see his rig up

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there, you know, and uh, that's kind of how we run.

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He has his he has this big
setup up there, you know, he

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kind of overtowers us, and he's
just back there head and just throwing so

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much energy out into the crowd.
It's unreal. Oh, that's cool.

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That's cool. Do you guys have
any music videos? Have you made any

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videos that you've posted other than you
know, you mentioned those live performances,

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but but have you produced any videos. We have not yet. We're actually

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about to start getting into that.
We have a song called Heartworm that were

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you know, when Heartworm was originally
written, it was with a lot of

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different members besides me and Billy.
So we're gonna aamp that song and we're

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gonna be releasing a new EP with
that, a couple of other new songs

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on it, and a cover of
Wimp Biscuits break stuff. Well, that's

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cool. I was gonna I used
to be in a band that we would

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cover that song. Yeah, you
added my name, Parish, do what

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you said? Billy? You added
me? Oh no, that's sorry.

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Oops, it's okay. Everybody knows
me. It's not a big deal.

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Yeah, there you go, There
you go. Break Stuff is a fun

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song to play. I was in
a band called the Jinxt and we used

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to cover that song and Uh our
our singer uh Rhino, he would like

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turn purple during the you know,
the breakdown part. He would he would

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get so intense and and like much
more intense than Fred Durst ever did from

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what I've seen, I mean,
Ryan would he would just turn red like

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he was so into it. That's
a fun son. We joked about it

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for the longest because you know,
we play with a lot of metal bands,

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and you know, everybody everybody wants
to, you know, talk smack

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about limb Biscuit and not take them
seriously and stuff. And I was like,

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man, I don't care. I
grew up listening all different music,

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and I I mean when I was
at when you're at a party, you

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know, when you're in your young
teens back then, you know, you

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you partied your butt off listening the
limb Biscuit and everybody did. So we

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joked doing it as a cover for
the longest and we unveiled it at it

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like an all metal show the first
time we ever did it, and people

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absolutely lost their mind. Like I
especially when it when it pauses and it

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goes to give me something to break
part but et hopping, I was like,

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yeah, we're gonna be doing this
song for a while hour that.

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We have full video of that on
our TikTok, the full version of that,

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and you can even me my wife
tried to start and watch a bit

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during it. It was great.
Really, well, that's great. You

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guys, do any other any other
covers in this project? Uh? We

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do. We try to. We
try to incorporate one cover into our every

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live set we do. So we
have a we have a cover of Heresy

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by nine and Nails that we play
and it's like really heavy and uh I

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got the double bass in it and
everything, and uh we're working on a

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cover of uh urmy Loose by lover
Boy. Actually that's fun. I like

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that, all right, all right, very cool, very cool. Where

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do you guys record? Because there's
so many different ways to record music now,

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Uh, I actually believe it or
not. I handle all the recording

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at home. Our our next EP
is going to actually be the first studio

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like in a like actual studio setting. I'm gonna I'm gonna have an audio

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engineer do all the mixing and mastering, because I know a lot I hate

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doing mixing and mastering. Yeah,
so we're gonna we're gonna just do it.

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We're gonna outsource it this go around
and get everything nice and polished up

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and do actual physicals of it and
everything, which we'll have available on our

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website. I'd expect it to be
complete, probably or towards twenty twenty five.

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Okay, okay, so you're gonna
you say physical, so you're gonna

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actually put it out on a CD
as well? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Cee. Probably cassettes available. Cassettes
okay, yeah. Interesting. You

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know, it's been a topic of
discussion on the show for a long time.

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I remember it must have been five
or six years ago, maybe longer.

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I was on band camp looking for
looking for bands and uh band camp

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dot com, and I still remember
vividly the moment where I saw that there

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were artists in this area who were
putting out things on cassette, and the

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first one I stumbled upon, I
was like, is this a is this

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real? And then I realized there
were a bunch of artists doing it.

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I was like, oh my god, cassettes are back. I never saw

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that coming. Yeah, yeah,
but that actually comes from your younger audience.

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So I go to a lot of
punk shows and a lot of like,

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you know, more obscure shows,
and that's kind of where you'll see

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the cassette tape set. Yeah.
Oh, and I was shocked the first

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time on when I went to this
venue called Kiki's House and uh, there

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was an industrial group from California called
the Diesel Dudes play, and then they

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had cassette tapes and I was like, what is this? And so I

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had to buy one, you know. Yeah, you know, I listened

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to it regularly, like it's it's
definitely a regular play for me. That's

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wild. When you when you got
that cassette, did you did you have

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something to play it on or did
you have to get something to play it

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out? I had to go.
I went to a thrift store and bought

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like an old ghetto blaster. Yeah, and that's what I've been using.

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Don't let him kid you, he's
got a Hello kiddy one. Nothing wrong

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with that. Yeah, it's interesting
how one of the things that I find

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interesting about just getting older is seeing
over time what you know, how these

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things change and what goes away and
what remains. And sometimes what you think

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is going to go away or did
go away, ends up coming back.

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And sometimes things that you thought would
never go away do go away, you

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know, in terms of technology,
and you know I used to work for

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I left there in twenty thirteen.
I used to work for a national chain

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that sold CDs, and and I
remember everybody talking about even back then,

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you know, any day now CDs
are just going to be gone. There's

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going to be no more CDs.
But even today, you know, here

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it is twenty twenty four, people
still buy CDs. You know, people

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still want physical media. I mean
it's a lot less than it used to

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be, but you know, people
still buy it. Me, I'm at

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a show, if I hear a
new band that I really want as an

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artist, I understand that you know, these are these guys aren't making you

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know, big money off of these
Spotify streams. You know, I wouldn't

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make so much money off Spotify,
so thanks to me. Well, I

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feel the ultimate compliment that you can
give an artists when you see them live

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is actually purchasing their music from them, because you're you're paying them way more

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for an album than what you know
Spotify has given them, and you not

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to have like a memory there in
your hand. You know, you can

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pull it up and be like,
man, I remember when I bought this.

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That was a cool show. Those
guys are great, you know.

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Yeah, I have a whole CD
collection at my house and it's nothing but

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local music and DFW bands, And
you know, I've always try to pick

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up a you know, my favorite
band's new release and stuff when they drop

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something new and whatnot. You know, now, that's great. Now,

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I commend you for that, and
and that's such an important point that you

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brought up about, you know,
if you're going to support local artists,

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you know, yeah, buy their
stuff because yeah, Spotify streams. In

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fact, Spotify you guys probably know
this already, but I guess recently they've

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changed it so now if you're under
a certain threshold, they're just not going

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to pay you anything. And granted
it was only pennies anyway, but you

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know, so it's it's so important
to support local music. Yeah. Anyway,

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the only thing that saved us is
we have a remix out by Xavier

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from Three Teeth, another well known
industrial metal band. Yeah, and that's

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that's kind of been the only thing
pushing us is that we have that out

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there. So it's definitely been a
blessing. How did that come about?

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Interesting story? Actually I met him
in a chat that wasn't even related to

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their band. I didn't even know
about their band. It was cess virus

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Form, which is a synthesizer I
use and uh we uh we comment.

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I commented on a post of his
because he had showed a picture of his

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rig and I asked him a couple
of questions about his sense because I was

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still learning it. He gave me
some real good uh information on it and

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everything, and we just kind of
started, you know, talking back and

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forth and uh, you know,
he told me he was in a band

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and I was like really and he
told me. I was like, yeah,

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we're doing pretty good. And uh
he sent me a copy for music

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and I was like wow. And
for me, that was the thing that

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really got me to want to do
industrial with those guys. And so when

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we started kind of getting a little
bit more traction, I was like,

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man, let's get a remix done. And I was nervous. I wrote

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him and I was like, hey, man, uh, you want to

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do a remix for us? You
know? And uh, I was surprised.

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He told me he would do it, and you know it, Uh,

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it was pretty cool actually, you
know like it. He made a

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club remix. It was great.
Oh wow, Yeah that's fantastic. Yeah.

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Good. Good for you guys.
That's great. So what's kind of

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the trajectory you've got are you?
Do you have anything coming up as far

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as new music. Obviously we're going
to play another track in a moment,

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But what should we know about what
does the future hold for you guys in

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the short term or the long term
we have coming up? We definitely do

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have new music coming up. We
got some things in the pipe right now.

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We've recorded and that's gonna be coming
soon. Excellent, excellent out there

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looking for that street Sweeper song when
we released it's it's gonna be a heavy

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one too. He very cool.
Well, please send it to us when

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it's ready to you know, we'll
play it here and we'll definitely have to

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have you guys back. I love
what you're doing. Like I said,

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I feel like there's not enough industrial
metal and it's the stuff is great.

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I really love it. I really
love it. And what should people know

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about how to find you guys on
Wane to keep up with everything that you're

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doing. Billy handle that where he's
a social media goober. Well, going

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on our website ww dot Swarm dt
x dot com, you can see all

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our shows on there. We have
pictures we had uh Spotify to go to.

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We also have Facebook. Just put
in Swarm Dallas you'll find us okay

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running ram Swarm Underscore d t X
on Instagram and on Facebook. We are

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official Swarm band. On TikTok that's
you. Just put that in and we'll

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pop up. Excellent, excellent.
What is the significance of d t X.

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By the way, I have a
feeling Das for Dallas, but it

409
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:49,079
is okay. Yeah, And if
any of y'all in Dallas, Texas next

410
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:55,000
weekend, we're playing a really awesome
show. We're gonna be playing Bulgerfest at

411
00:31:55,039 --> 00:32:01,680
Haltam Theater with our friends and Vivid
in Bulger and Manifestive Boris. It's gonna

412
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,000
be a really good show. Hey, y'all should definitely come out very cool,

413
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,559
very cool. And thank you both
so much, Parish and Bats.

414
00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:13,319
This has been great. I really
enjoyed talking with you guys. Like I

415
00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:15,359
said, I love your music.
We're gonna we're gonna end this track with

416
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,920
this track tradition. Anything we should
know about this song. I do like

417
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:25,319
the title, so yeah, the
song was actually written. I'm not gonna

418
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:31,240
I'm not gonna say no names,
but okay, if you if anyone's ever

419
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:36,920
been in a relationship with a narcissists, it's kind of about getting away from

420
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,519
that and just you know, you
know how much they can just drag you

421
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:45,480
down, you know, and that's
kind of what the song's about basically.

422
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,279
Okay, well, it's relatable.
You know, everyone's been in that situation

423
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,799
at one point or another. So
so great, So we're gonna give this

424
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:59,119
a listen. Guys, thank you
so much. I really really loved having

425
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,480
you on the show. And you've
got new music coming so we will definitely

426
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,359
do this again in the not too
distant future. But and we're gonna play

427
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,079
this track. But I really appreciate
you guys joining us today. Thank you

428
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:14,039
both so much. Oh, thank
you for having us absolutely all right.

429
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:16,720
Thanks guys, take care you too, Thank you, thank you. You

430
00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:21,799
got it all right. That was
Parish and Billy. I'm sorry Parish and

431
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,599
Bats. I see now I'm doing
it from the band Swarm and check this

432
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,319
out. We're gonna listen to this
and then we're gonna come back and uh,

433
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,200
we've got a little bit more show
to go. So I've got one

434
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:36,319
last thing to share with you all
today afterward. But give this a spin.

435
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:37,359
Give this a listen. I'm gonna
give it a spin. You give

436
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:53,039
it a listen. This is called
Perdition and the band is Swarm, So

437
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:05,480
it's a ball and he sh from
with then tec bus. That's something in

438
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,800
bad. That's something that's that's the
fruit god, you know best rick thing

439
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:15,559
that hey you die, you know
that's not a fu. So it's face

440
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:22,760
fifty got sister pray text see I
vill goes with its sick and silence have

441
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:30,559
been holding me go what its bice
and do not go? Don't speak bus,

442
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:36,760
I feel fright b and everything you'rena
that's a man bout Wow, I

443
00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:46,920
cried, How did reck No?
What wall go? Wow? Why?

444
00:34:51,840 --> 00:35:13,519
Y wow? Why WoT a wall
guy? Why? Why drive? Why?

445
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:31,719
Why? Okay? I and stretched
down and that and keeps you what

446
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:37,079
a night time? That's what she's
made and for night tis you don't feature.

447
00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:43,119
Don't fight him say this di it's
been a scene. Don't boost your

448
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:49,199
potkin and never say why can fact
what's been in fasis and don't mean up

449
00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:57,639
to mad sol it s straight tas
don't see I feel though we've been saying

450
00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:04,639
in styles have been over to me? Go what f don I don't don't

451
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:22,960
mean what time ray didn't see everything
gonna that depends go mom wow wow?

452
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:44,280
Why got wow? Why when you
got a wow? Yeah? Wow?

453
00:36:45,039 --> 00:37:10,480
Why got mom? Why fine?
Days? Want you way you like watch

454
00:37:10,559 --> 00:38:50,639
out about school? Who wa?
Yeah? Did you play sat? Yeah?

455
00:38:50,679 --> 00:39:22,199
But you play the stats you're training
because we're straining like trained. I

456
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:32,559
want to live that mansion on you. We're no pain stuff fream loud.

457
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:51,840
I want to leave him in the
mansion on you only happiness with I don't

458
00:39:52,079 --> 00:40:00,719
want to see behind those balls.
I don't want to love if there's been

459
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:09,679
a sorrow. I don't want to
knowvel that house is a hope. I

460
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:23,519
just want to live them Manchia.
I don't want here or spoken to hand

461
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:32,719
close doors. I don't want to
feed the anchor towards other. I don't

462
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:42,679
want to know if love lives in
mable. I just want to live that

463
00:40:43,079 --> 00:41:02,039
Mansia. I want to live that
mansion on you. We're no pay I

464
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:32,760
want to make the Mansion. I
love that song. I love the vocals

465
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,000
on that. That is Cameron Sutf
and Mansion on the Hill and if you

466
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:42,079
are just joining us here on Matt
Connorton Unleashed. Cameron was our guest in

467
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:45,360
the first hour of the program today, so yeah, I really enjoyed talking

468
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,719
with him. He played live for
us in studio just amazing, amazing,

469
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:52,320
really really nice guy too. So
so that was Mansion on the Hill.

470
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:58,599
That's probably my personal favorite song from
his debut album called Part of Me.

471
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,199
And before that, of course,
we perdition one of the tracks from Swarm

472
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:07,480
from Dallas, Texas, and we
had Parish and Bats on the show with

473
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:09,960
us via Skype all the way from
Dallas, and I really loved talking with

474
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:14,199
those guys. I thought that was
a pretty interesting discussion and great to get

475
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,719
their perspective on a number of things
and learn about the history of the band.

476
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,400
And I love their sound. I
love what they're doing. Like I

477
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,280
said, I don't feel like there's
a lot of industrial metal. There's probably

478
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,239
a lot more than I realize,
and I just don't realize it because I

479
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:30,280
haven't looked for it, which shame
on me because the Internet makes it very

480
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,639
easy to find and explore all kinds
of music that I might not be aware

481
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:37,440
of, that you might not be
aware of. So but I really enjoyed

482
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:42,199
talking with them. If you did
miss any part of today's show too,

483
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,159
I do suggest you go back and
check it out. Like I said,

484
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:49,199
we had Cameron Suttfin on with us
in the first hour and second hour,

485
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,800
we had Sophia Gilani skyping in from
the UK, and then we had Audrey

486
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:58,199
Queen and Draven d c from the
band Bullet to the Heart skyping in from

487
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,719
Chicago. So it's been a very, very very busy show today, by

488
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,000
the way. Next week on the
show, uh so, Jenny will be

489
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:07,199
back next week, by the way, so we look forward to that,

490
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:12,239
and we've got Tom Russo returning to
the program. Tom's been on with us

491
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,360
a couple of times. Next week, though, he's we're gonna do something

492
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:23,079
different. He's it's it's going to
involve writing a song live on the air,

493
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:29,880
and it's going to involve some audience
participation. So that's all I'm gonna

494
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,840
say about it, a little bit
of a teaser for you. But Tom

495
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,679
Russo will be with Jenny and I
here on the show next week and really

496
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,440
looking forward to that. And I
love his music anyway, always get a

497
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,159
lot of great feedback when he's on. But but yeah, we're gonna do

498
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:45,280
something a little different, little uh
innovative. It was his idea, and

499
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:47,800
I said, yes, I like
that very much. So that will be

500
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,760
next week on the program, by
the way, So and I do have

501
00:43:52,880 --> 00:44:00,280
something to talk about in our remaining
moments on today's program. But but I'm

502
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,559
also going to open up the phone
line too if you want to give us

503
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:06,000
a buzz. If you happen to
be listening live on Saturday six three two

504
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:09,079
five six seven six o three two
five six seven, you might have some

505
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:16,519
some thoughts on this uh subject.
But something that we talk about a lot

506
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:22,719
on the program is AI artificial intelligence
and how it affects the music industry and

507
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,159
how the music industry is kind of
maneuvering through this. And I think the

508
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,199
last time that we talked about it
on the show a number of weeks ago,

509
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,039
Jenny and I were talking about these
you know, I think it was

510
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:38,239
a Universal Music Group is threatening these
AI companies for allowing these llm's large learning

511
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:44,000
models that basically take in all this
information and then they're able to spit out

512
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,480
whatever it is that you prompt them
uh to do. You know, if

513
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:52,039
you've used chat GPT at all,
for example, you know you can put

514
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:54,920
in a prompt ask it to create
something for you and it will just as

515
00:44:54,920 --> 00:45:00,400
an example. But there's a lot
of concerns and a lot of hand ringing

516
00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:04,639
over how this affects the music industry
going forward, and a lot of different

517
00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:09,280
ideas and thoughts and concerns and worries, and some of it I think is

518
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:14,840
concerning, and some of it I
think I don't know. I have a

519
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,280
lot of mixed feelings about it myself
now at the end of the day.

520
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,280
To be clear, at the end
of the day, I will always advocate

521
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,440
on behalf of artists. That's where
I come from, and I want artists

522
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,840
to be compensated for their work,
and I don't want their work to be

523
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,920
stolen and so forth. But I'm
also not sure how in a practical sense,

524
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:36,880
as we move into this new realm
of AI and in the music industry,

525
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,519
I'm not sure how that all works. So and I don't think anyone

526
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:45,480
really is sure. But there's an
article from The Verge which is a great

527
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:47,000
side by the way, if you're
interested in these subjects, the Verge dot

528
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:51,719
com. That kind of gets us
up to speed on where we are with

529
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,880
all of this. There is a
lot of lawsuits and threats of lawsuits,

530
00:45:53,920 --> 00:46:00,760
and Congress, you know, perhaps
shall make laws at some point. And

531
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:06,880
I always cringe at that because whenever
Congress makes laws regarding technology. You know,

532
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,760
if you watch any Congressional hearing on
anything involving technology, you can kind

533
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:15,159
of figure out pretty quickly that a
lot of these Congress people have no idea

534
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,599
what they're talking about, but they're
going to vote, they're going to make

535
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:22,400
laws on these things anyway. I
mean, just go on YouTube and for

536
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:28,480
example, you can look up Mark
Zuckerberg got testifying before Congress, before a

537
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:32,920
Congressional committee, and here are the
questions that he has asked, you know,

538
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:39,400
by these whether it's a House congressional
committee or a Senate committee, and

539
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:44,760
you'll realize very quickly that the people
who are discussing this and making these laws

540
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,679
have no idea what they're doing because
they have no idea what they're talking about.

541
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:51,599
Because you know, I mean,
ninety year old Chuck Grassley, although

542
00:46:51,639 --> 00:46:53,239
I give him credit, he seems
to be very familiar with Twitter, but

543
00:46:53,639 --> 00:46:57,000
you know, do I want him
making laws? Not to be agist,

544
00:46:57,159 --> 00:47:00,320
but anyway, but we won't go
too far in that direction. But so

545
00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:07,320
the Verge dot Com has this updated
article, the music Industry's AI Fight.

546
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:10,079
Let's look at this just briefly.
We only have a little bit of time

547
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:14,079
left today. But it is a
fascinating subject. And if you know,

548
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:17,800
obviously at this point, because of
the way that the show is constructed and

549
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,440
the content that we present in all
these interviews and whatnot, we talk to

550
00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:22,920
a lot of musicians, so we
assume a lot of people who are active

551
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,440
in the music industry are listening to
this program and are probably also interested in

552
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:30,880
the subject. But so here's what
this article again, we'll just spend a

553
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:36,000
few minutes on this has to say. Again, this is from the Verge

554
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:38,719
dot Com. Surely you've heard Mariah
Carey's holiday smash hit All I Want for

555
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:44,239
Christmas Is You? But have you
heard about this other song. It's also

556
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,440
called All I Want for Christmas is
You, and it sounds a lot like

557
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:52,079
Mariah Carey. We're about to spend
a long time litigating how that happened.

558
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,519
Oh you know what. This isn't
the article I wanted. I'm sorry,

559
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:14,519
let me find let's go with Yeah, let's go with this one from this

560
00:48:14,679 --> 00:48:19,880
from nbcnews dot com. So this
relates to the story that we were talking

561
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:25,119
about recently. US record labels are
suing AI music generators a legend copyright infringement

562
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:30,119
Universal Music Group, and that was
the lawsuit that we had talked about.

563
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,079
Jenny and I had talked about on
the show a number of weeks ago.

564
00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:35,159
It might have been a couple of
months ago, I'm not sure, but

565
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:45,079
but now Sony Music and Warner Music
are also now filing lawsuits against companies like

566
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:52,800
Suno and Udio Maker about this,
about using their intellectual property. So,

567
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:59,000
in other words, these AI companies
are using the music the intellectual property of

568
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:05,800
the artists that these record labels represent. These AI companies are if you think

569
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,800
of it as, you know,
sucking up all of that information. I

570
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:14,639
don't think the technical term is sucking
up, but sucking up all that information

571
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,159
and then being able to, you
know, say, okay, if you

572
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:24,159
tell the AI model, okay,
make me a song in the style of

573
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,800
All I Want for Christmas by Mariah
Carey. I hate that song, by

574
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,320
the way, But does anyone actually
like it. I've never I mean,

575
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,199
it's ubiquitous during the holidays, but
I've never heard anyone say, oh I

576
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,559
love that song or I can't wait
to hear that song. But anyway,

577
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,519
so you can prompt it, you
know, make me this, and it'll

578
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:49,480
make you this based on the work
of all these artists and their information that's

579
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,719
been fed into a large learning model. And they call it that because it

580
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,239
learns. It uses all this information
to learn how to create these things.

581
00:49:55,519 --> 00:50:00,800
So let's look at this for a
quick update. So this is from nbcnews

582
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:06,159
dot com. The world's biggest record
labels are teaming up to take two prominent

583
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:13,400
AI music making companies to court,
a move that comes as generative artificial intelligence

584
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,000
continues to infiltrate the music industry.
Universal music groups, Sony Music Entertainment,

585
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:23,440
and Warner Music Group, among others, filed lawsuits against Suno and udio maker

586
00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:30,400
Uncharted Labs, both of which recently
released AI programs that enable users to generate

587
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:34,480
songs from text prompts. And by
the way, one of these weeks,

588
00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:37,679
if we have a week where we
just we have an hour where we don't

589
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:43,880
have a guest. I think it
would be fun to try one of these

590
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,559
services out live on the air and
see what it comes up with. I

591
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:52,039
just think it would be interesting,
it says here. The proliferation of accessible

592
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:58,519
AI tools capable of generating realistic music, including full songs using AI versions of

593
00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:02,639
real artists' voices, has triggered a
slew of legal and ethical questions for the

594
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:09,119
music industry. Many artists have expressed
concern over how generative AI technologies could undermine

595
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:14,719
human work and compensation. Now,
when Jenny and I talked about this before

596
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,880
and again in the end, I
will always advocate on behalf of artists,

597
00:51:19,159 --> 00:51:27,039
but plain Devil's advocate. If I
write a song, I'm a musician.

598
00:51:27,039 --> 00:51:31,440
I've written some songs. If I
write a song or create anything musical,

599
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:38,400
maybe just write a guitar riff.
Whatever it is isn't whatever I write,

600
00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:49,000
isn't whatever I choose to create somehow
influenced and informed by all of the music

601
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:52,039
that I've heard up to that point
that I write that song. So how

602
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:55,400
is that any different from an AI
model that has fed all of this information

603
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:00,119
and then create something now, obviously
with the aid while you're taking the humanity

604
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:07,239
out of it, and you're potentially
harming, uh, people who make their

605
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,519
livings creating music, right man,
you know, doing the manual labor of

606
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:15,800
creating music. But again, if
you want to argue the other side of

607
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,559
it, you can say, well, how is that any different than a

608
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:23,960
human who creates music who's influenced by
everything that they hear. I mean,

609
00:52:24,039 --> 00:52:29,679
that's why, you know, that's
why sort of plagiarism happens. Right.

610
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,519
We've done on you know, on
Friday nights. Of course, I'm a

611
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:37,199
co host on Retrospectrum Radio with poly
C and we've done several shows. I

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should plug that too, Friday nights
from eight to eleven pm here on WM

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and H. I always love my
Friday Nights with poly C, H DJ

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Steve and sometimes Tony Petrello joins us. But we've done several shows now about

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plagiarism, where people have plagiarized to
other people's music or are accused of doing

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such. So but to me,
that just that's an example of how everything

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that we create is already influenced and
informed by everything that we know up to

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that point. So how is this
different? I'm not saying it's not different

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I'm just again a plain devil's advocate
and just asking the question because regardless of

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how any of us might feel about
it from a principled standpoint and a human

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standpoint, of course, there's also
if you're going to make laws about this,

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or if there's going to be litigation, which there is about this,

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you also have to navigate how you
approach this from a practical and pragmatic standpoint.

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And that's not as simple as you
can't navigate that by just saying,

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well, I feel that this is
wrong or I'm uncomfortable with this. You

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know, there has to be a
logical foundation that everyone can sort of agree

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on moving forward. So and time
is short. But by the Recording Industry

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Association of America, the music recording
industry's largest trade organization, the r i

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A. By the way, that's
the organization that also certifies albums as being

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gold or platinum. You know,
whenever you see a musician posing with a

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picture of a platinum album, we've
all seen those pictures, right, Those

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are issued by the r i A. A fun fact that not everyone might

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know. The artist has to pay
though, has to pay for that,

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has to pay for the certification.
There's a fee. They don't just automatically

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certify albums. And then you know, when everybody in the band gets their

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their gold record or their platinum record, that they pose within those pictures,

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that they have to pay for,
that they're not just given those by the

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r i a A. You know, everybody in the band, the producer,

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and whoever else. Our i AA
chairman and CEO, Mitch Glazier said

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in a statement, quote the music
community has embraced AI, and we are

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already partnering and collaborating with responsible developers
to build maintainable AI tools centered on human

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creativity that put artists and songwriters in
charge. But we can only succeed if

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developers are willing to work together with
US. Unlicensed services like Suno and Udeo

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that claim it's fair to copy in
artist's life's work and exploit it for their

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own profit without consent or pay set
back the promise of genuinely innovative AI for

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us all unquote. The music labels
allege in the lawsuits that building services like

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Suno or Udio requires quote copying decades
worth of the world's most popular sound recordings

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unquote in order to train their models, and that both AI companies have been

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deliberately evasive about what exactly they used
to train those models, but it's obvious

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what their music generators were trained on. According to the lawsuits, their models

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could only succeed in producing such realistic
songs, the suits stated if they had

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been trained on quote vast quantities of
sound recordings from artists across every genre,

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style and era unquote, many of
which remain copyrighted by these record labels.

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Neither Suno nor Udio has publicly disclosed
its training data. Both charge tiered monthly

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membership fees for those who wish to
use their AI music generators at higher capacity.

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Representatives for Suno did not immediately respond
to requests for comment. When asked

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for comment, Udeo directed NBC News
to a blog post stating that the company

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is quote completely uninterested in reproducing content
in our training set, and in fact

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have implemented and continue to refine state
of the art filters to ensure our model

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does not reproduce copyrighted works or artists'
voices. We stand beyond our technology and

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believe the generative AI will become a
mainstay of modern society unquote. So Udo

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says we're not doing that and it
is hard to prove a negative, right,

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to prove that you're not doing something. There's a lot more to this,

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it's a big subject, but we
are out of time, so we'll

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wrap up. We will leave it
on that, but I'm sure this is

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something that we'll be talking about from
time to time on the program as we

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move forward. So again, thank
you to everyone who joined us today.

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If you miss any part of today's
show, it will be up in just

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a little bit at wmnhradio dot org
and at my website Mattconnorton dot com.

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Jenny will be back next week.
Tom Russo will be with us, and

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I'm gonna leave you with a little
bit. We won't have time to fit

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the whole thing in, but we've
played it a few times throughout the show.

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Hope the Rapper his brand new single, Heavenly Father, as we continue

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our ten weeks of new singles from
Hope the Rapper. Every week for ten

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weeks, a world radio premiere of
a brand new track from Hope the Rapper.

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And we're in week five, so
here it is Heavenly Father. To

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close out this week's Matt Connorton Unleashed, I'll talk to you a little bit

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later. Bye everybody. You know
it's different once the chorus comes in,

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just for let us say the name
h Oh. I ain't grow up in

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the hood, but I'm good damn
trying to walk in my shoes. Not

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the good pat steal ball on a
hugain and one from the father with a

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game understand some move with the work, sort of like a tan dump.

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I'm about to take the rat cap
or ransom. Different meetings. Will we

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greet them and say hands up?
Kills me it? Pancake Charles Manson,

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poodn't get a boy pen? Don't
you know that this she spinds. I'm

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just trying to touch the world.
Paper was my mental man. I'maa send

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them rid of limb they go.
Not the way you think. I was

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trying to buy some hope. Not
I'm doing it in the track. People

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problems on my plate, trying to
get them in a cent full time.

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I was healing beefs pull. Thema
was in a sent still about a dollar

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only if was making sense, trying
to get this money straight. Just a

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freak of pen call of this ride. A chauffeur can't count the times I

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came from coast Shoulters, hand me
the rocks a week and make bold to

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my cuncle was square like PlayStation controler. Hold up. They printed that I

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retired, but I got it like
Trump when I spent five build the wall

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to run the profit. Call it
how you want it. I'm gonna treat

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them how they treat me. Sign
it from the bottom. Never said it was