1 00:00:15,359 --> 00:00:19,960 What is krack lacking? Bellow every nuclear as I am Dan Valley coming at 2 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,679 you with my certified fantagulist pH host Grant twos. This is the last of 3 00:00:23,719 --> 00:00:27,839 our trade deadline primers. We were onto the Southeast division in the interest of 4 00:00:27,879 --> 00:00:30,120 time, since this is the third one we're recording on the same day. 5 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,280 We're gonna be doing each team in five to six minutes, which is our 6 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,119 goal every single time. We just failed, but we're gonna stick by it 7 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:40,399 this time very quickly. 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As a quick reminder, before 16 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,840 we get to the Atlanta Hawks, we're just going through our sort of biggest 17 00:01:17,879 --> 00:01:21,239 themes. We will have a trade for each team, We'll have most likely 18 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,920 players to be traded. We're just talking about needs, what we could see 19 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,439 this team doing. And with that, we are on to the Atlanta Hawks, 20 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,400 which are or no, we're under the Miami Heat. Excuse me, 21 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,719 they are my team. They are very clearly buyers. I have their most 22 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,439 likely player to be traded as Dwayne Deadman, which basically means that, no, 23 00:01:38,599 --> 00:01:44,560 the Heat are not going to do anything big. Probably they need I 24 00:01:44,599 --> 00:01:46,879 don't want to say they need a whole bunch, but like they need to. 25 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,200 They could probably fill all their needs in one player where it's like they 26 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,879 really need to upgrade that sort of forcepot and they also need some more shooting 27 00:01:55,879 --> 00:01:57,719 and someone who can open up the half court offense, maybe not necessarily as 28 00:01:57,719 --> 00:02:00,640 a ball handler, because you have Jimmy Butler, you have Tyler Hero, 29 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:04,879 you have Bam out of Baio, you have Victor Oldipo, you have whatever 30 00:02:04,879 --> 00:02:07,560 the hell Kyle Lowry is at this point, but someone who's going to open 31 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:12,080 up the floor with like functional shooting or just be able to pump and go 32 00:02:12,199 --> 00:02:15,879 and maybe take you know, lower not like low complicated shots, but be 33 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:20,800 able to take them at at high volume. And so the player that gets 34 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,879 mentioned constantly is like Boyan mcdonovich. But do they have the assets to go 35 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:25,919 out and get that type of player. They can trade this year's first round 36 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,280 pick, and they can trade first round picks in twenty seven and twenty nine, 37 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,080 but are they going to be my I guess one of the questions is 38 00:02:34,439 --> 00:02:38,639 that I have for them. And you know, there's the like the easier 39 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,159 questions, can they upgrade the forward rotation and overall complmentary offerings? But the 40 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,840 second question is how big of a swing are they willing to take here? 41 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:50,080 Because if they wait until the off season, there might be more starrier players 42 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,639 that become available. And that's when you make the godfather offer of you know, 43 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,159 I don't know if they're including Tyler Hero at that point when his extension 44 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,439 kicks in, but you have Kyle Lowry is an expiring contract, another year 45 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:04,000 is ticked off Nan Robinson's deal. Can you make the picks plus money offer 46 00:03:04,439 --> 00:03:07,719 and get someone better than the best player you could get right now? Who 47 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:13,080 let's just be realistic and say that the Heat could trade for Boyan Bogdanovitch or 48 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,919 maybe Kyle Kuzma, Like is it worth them going the not even the all 49 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,159 in route, but like sort of splitting the baby and having to give up 50 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,199 a first round pick and Nikola Yovich or two first round picks. Now, 51 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:28,599 are they willing to do that mid season? I think they kind I don't 52 00:03:28,599 --> 00:03:30,960 know whether they should. I think they kind of might be, just because 53 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:38,400 I think I think there is some justifiable faith internally that didn't look the Heat 54 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:42,360 just they seem to have a history. They don't seem to they have a 55 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,000 history of overachieving in the postseason. And if you have Butler and Autobio and 56 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,719 you get one more piece in there, Tyler heroes leveled up. Like yeah, 57 00:03:49,759 --> 00:03:52,479 I mean they're not afraid of anybody they're going to see in the East 58 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,280 playoffs. Cutting against that, though, is what we keep talking about. 59 00:03:55,439 --> 00:03:59,759 Like, if you're a buyer right now, it's a real bad time to 60 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,800 be a buyer, so you may not what few assets you have are just 61 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,919 not going to go as far. So I think a lot of it, 62 00:04:06,719 --> 00:04:11,280 as far as their plan goes, has everything to do with, like how 63 00:04:11,319 --> 00:04:15,280 good do they think or do they really think they're one piece away from being 64 00:04:15,319 --> 00:04:17,079 on the same level as Boston and Milwaukee? And they might think that, 65 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,839 and then you're yeah, put Yovich and all the picks on the table, 66 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:24,319 and you know, you got a bunch of salary you could mix together between 67 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:29,560 you know, Martin and Oladipo or six and eight million Duncan Robinson's bad money 68 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,240 you could throw in there with enough picks, Like there's ways for them to 69 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,759 do a lot, But it's just a question of those those those two factors, 70 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:40,959 like is it smart to be a buyer now? And do they think 71 00:04:40,959 --> 00:04:44,240 it's worth it, you know, relative to what their ceiling would be if 72 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,360 they filled that four spot or just added another big wing. Yeah, I 73 00:04:47,439 --> 00:04:50,480 mean, like they're not even mentioning the o G had a OBI sweep stakes 74 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,399 because I guess people aren't sure Toronto's rebuilding. And so even if you went 75 00:04:54,519 --> 00:04:57,839 all the picks route, would that even interest them? Duncan Robinson and a 76 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,040 ship ton of picks, I don't think that would interest Toronto. And then 77 00:05:00,399 --> 00:05:02,199 I could talk to myself and saying, well, they could go out and 78 00:05:02,199 --> 00:05:06,040 get zach Lavine if he becomes vullable, like is that he's not necessarily the 79 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:10,519 player that they need. That's just so not I mean, he's kind of 80 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:15,079 redundant. With Tyler Hero we're being unfortunately for him and the salary differences, 81 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,600 he is a little bit. The trade I have for them though, is 82 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:25,079 did Heat get Eric Gordon and kJ Martin the Rockets get Dwayne Deadman, Nikolayovich, 83 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:30,480 Duncan Robinson twenty twenty three first round pick, top eight protection. I 84 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,160 like what that does for their books. Moving Robinson off, I mean, 85 00:05:33,199 --> 00:05:38,279 you're basically paying the first because I don't know what Gordon's future is going to 86 00:05:38,319 --> 00:05:41,839 be. But Gordon makes them better now. I thank kJ Martin. Doesn't 87 00:05:41,879 --> 00:05:46,839 kJ Martin feel like a guy that would get to Miami and suddenly everybody's like, 88 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,439 God, they did it again. They got this athletic guy that they 89 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,079 know. He's been like kind of good in Houston for the past few years. 90 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,439 Right, But it's like this is a Derrick Jones junior situation all over, 91 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:00,120 like that guy yeah kind of thing. Yeah, I think that's that 92 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:03,519 might feel a little low, especially if you like Yovich a lot. But 93 00:06:03,879 --> 00:06:06,040 I think I'm I think if I'm the Heat, I'd probably do that, 94 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:12,040 or I mean, you proposed it, how do you you I'd ever turned 95 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,839 it back on you? Do you like the trade you made up? So 96 00:06:14,879 --> 00:06:15,920 actually, I'm not sure if i'd do it if I'm Miami, but if 97 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,800 I'm Houston, because I don't view Eric Gordon is worth a first round pick 98 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:23,040 on his own anymore, and you're not getting a first round pick for kJ 99 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:27,160 Martin on his own to just take on Duncan Robinson's money for two more years 100 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:30,120 Like here, I know you think unique cap space and you have your pick. 101 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,959 Oh too, Okay, see starting next year, you one still have 102 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,560 some cap space if you take on Duncan robinson soul. Just get the pick 103 00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:40,480 and then you have Yovich to sort of evaluate as well. I understand that 104 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,360 maybe you run into some like roster crunch issues at that point, but like 105 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,199 you have some other veterans that you should be getting rid of or will come 106 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,279 off the books after this season. So I would do it if I'm actually 107 00:06:49,319 --> 00:06:54,040 liked this most for Houston because it's like, let's just get another draft pick 108 00:06:54,079 --> 00:06:58,319 bye at the Apple and we could see what Yovich is with the Heat. 109 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,879 I think I would do it just because Eric Gordon, it's so complimentary. 110 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,000 I just don't know if I love kJ Martin at the four for them? 111 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,920 Does he do enough offensively aside from putting pressure on the rim, which maybe 112 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,480 that's all they want out of that position. But they're spacings iffy enough that 113 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,560 I don't know if, like kJ Martin, you slide him in with Jimmy 114 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,759 Butler and bam at a bio, how that necessarily works out. Yeah, 115 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,879 he's still the second best Martin on the team, so that's not great, 116 00:07:21,959 --> 00:07:25,040 all right, if you're ready to move on. I got the Hawks next 117 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,480 to our second place team in the division. The question for me is, 118 00:07:29,519 --> 00:07:32,959 as I was looking at them, surprised myself, like, are we sure 119 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,000 there's a real problem here, like in a gotta make a trade kind of 120 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,720 way, because I know, I'm sure within the last month we've talked about 121 00:07:40,759 --> 00:07:43,439 like, well, they ought to start thinking about moving Trey Young. The 122 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,959 optics are bad. This just feels like it's headed for a disaster. But 123 00:07:46,079 --> 00:07:51,120 like the starting five is plus eleven point seven over, you know, which 124 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,720 is basically next to Denver, the best net rating for any five man group 125 00:07:55,759 --> 00:07:59,199 that's played a ton, you know, over eight hundred possessions, like as 126 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,000 a starting point, if your first unit is outscoring teams by twelve points per 127 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,480 hundred, basically like you're not that far away, like you So, But 128 00:08:07,959 --> 00:08:13,199 the obvious question we've touched on talking about fifty other teams is is this, 129 00:08:13,519 --> 00:08:16,000 are they going to trade John Collins? What are they going to get for 130 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,839 him? So, for me, and he has to be the most likely 131 00:08:18,839 --> 00:08:24,000 player to be traded, Bugdamognanovich, it should be desirable. Just don't think 132 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,319 there's as much momentum to move him as there is for Collins, because we 133 00:08:28,399 --> 00:08:33,080 got like two plus years of momentum really for him. So I guess I'll 134 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,360 throw it to you. But for me, I think if I'm the Hawks, 135 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,080 I'm not gonna trade Collins unless I'm getting back at least a really good 136 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:48,360 first minimum, no bad money coming back. And I need to also have 137 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:52,679 a guy that is gonna be in my rotation at like a reasonable salary that's 138 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,080 like my bare minimum. I'm not giving up picks to move him. I'm 139 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:03,080 not attaching yeah right, sorry, not attaching you know the name it Griffin 140 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,440 A kong Wo Jalen Johnson maybe, but that's like a different level, like 141 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:11,159 I need real value coming back, or I'm just not going to trade him 142 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,639 because I just I don't think this is someone that you should have to give 143 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,759 something up to move. I just I just don't I agree, and I 144 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:22,440 think John Collins is probably more important to them than any of the other teams 145 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,159 that are necessarily interested in him. I will also say though, that if 146 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:28,759 they do have to sell low on John Collins, it's their own fucking fault 147 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:31,519 because the way that they sort of just marginalized to him and didn't figure that 148 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:35,240 out. And I understand that was kind of the risk of having Murray and 149 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,120 then also having like traded Clink Coppella in the first place. The fact that 150 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,320 John Collins was as good as he was last year playing alongside Clink Koppela, 151 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,440 like being able to adapt, and it just felt like they were making forcing 152 00:09:45,519 --> 00:09:48,080 him to make one too many adjustments this year, and he's played a little 153 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,000 bit better recently. I'm with you, though, that you need actual value 154 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,399 for him, and so it's what is like the move outside of dealing him, 155 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:01,279 though, if you have your first round pick this year, and then 156 00:10:01,799 --> 00:10:03,600 if you wanted to, like you have Clean Capella and if you're gonna keep 157 00:10:03,639 --> 00:10:07,720 John Collins, you put on Yaka Kungu on the table, and what do 158 00:10:07,759 --> 00:10:11,759 you even need is that's like the the question is, okay, will they 159 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:15,399 move John Collins? But I think they're I think their biggest need and you'll 160 00:10:15,399 --> 00:10:18,840 have to I'm throwing this back to you right away. Is it just like 161 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,559 they need to shore up the three in the four spots, whether you think 162 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,200 it's behind Collins or in front of that, Like that's what I look at 163 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,639 and say they need to do, which like and I think that's right, 164 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:35,639 But that's a problem because between between Collins and DeAndre Hunter, who they just 165 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,639 extended, that's like, what's what's Collins was like five for one twenty five? 166 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,120 I think originally a Hunter is four for was it like ninety? It 167 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,759 was ninety. It was more than mchael It was more than Michael Bridges. 168 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,879 For some reason, you're talking like, you know, not that far short 169 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,399 of like a quarter billion dollars for two positions that we're saying are the problem, 170 00:10:54,440 --> 00:11:00,200 Like that's not great. I want to do with that. I was 171 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:03,320 kind of referring to just like you could look at as backup where it's like 172 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,000 justin Holliday has been bad. John Johnson minutes have been all over the place, 173 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:09,279 and so you could look at as can they go out and get a 174 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,120 backup rather than it's the starters that are because as you said, the starting 175 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,120 lineup is killing it. So it's not necessarily issue. It just feels like 176 00:11:16,159 --> 00:11:18,879 they need, like you know, they need the depth at the three in 177 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:20,840 the four and they just don't have it. And I would say they probably 178 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:26,120 need more optionality at the four, specifically to where it's they don't Well, 179 00:11:26,159 --> 00:11:28,279 I guess you could say the three to because you don't, okay, let's 180 00:11:28,279 --> 00:11:31,879 slide Hunter up and it's like, well, then fuck, who's playing small 181 00:11:31,919 --> 00:11:35,320 forward? So that's where Then who's behind Collins if we can't slide Hunter up? 182 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,080 And I think that's where the real issue is. So my trade it 183 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,720 is a John Collins trade, just because I don't think John Collins wants to 184 00:11:39,759 --> 00:11:43,639 be in Atlanta. No, I don't like And the Hawks, by the 185 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,080 way, they're only one point seven million with a little luxury tax, so 186 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,519 that went into this trade idea. The Hawks receive a mere coffee Marcus Morris, 187 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,559 a twenty twenty eight first round pick, and then I'm going to change 188 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,399 this up. It's a twenty twenty eight first round pick and then a twenty 189 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:01,159 twenty nine first round swap from the Clippers. So that twenty twenty first round 190 00:12:01,159 --> 00:12:05,120 pick, let's say it's top four protected, and then it extinguishes, and 191 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,799 then they get to twenty twenty night swap as well, because they can't swap 192 00:12:07,879 --> 00:12:11,159 in two twenty eight, because I believe they're already doing so with San Antonio 193 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:15,519 unless I'm mistaken there, but off the don't no, wait, that's Boston 194 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:16,840 that does that, so please don't listen to me this. They're twenty twenty 195 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,000 seven, that's going to San Antonio. Yeah, who can mix all these 196 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:22,559 picks up? I can't imagine how that'd be possible. Okay, So, 197 00:12:24,039 --> 00:12:26,960 based on what I said initially about what I want back for Collins, this 198 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:31,759 feels a little light. But the upside here is I don't know how much 199 00:12:31,759 --> 00:12:35,240 of a drop off, if any, Morris would be from Collins in terms 200 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,879 of just like this year, based on how Collins has been used, if 201 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,399 at all, which is like speaks to how Collins has been used in a 202 00:12:41,399 --> 00:12:48,200 negative light, and you're getting the first coffee doesn't quite rise to the level 203 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,399 of like the young capable, like high end piece, but like he's been 204 00:12:52,919 --> 00:12:54,720 here too, you know that I like him, but he's been pretty bad. 205 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,399 Yeah well you I mean, but you know still like you were. 206 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,000 You were in on him early, so you get credit for that. But 207 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,279 yeah, so we're talking about the three and the four. There's Coffee and 208 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,639 Morris could that could play the three and the four. The more I look 209 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:11,240 at this roster though, I know this is a trade deadline thing, but 210 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,879 like behind the starting five, you still have Bogdanovich, A kong Wu and 211 00:13:16,159 --> 00:13:20,639 Griffin Like that's I mean, you're taking a lot of boxes with those three 212 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:26,120 guys as your six, seventh, and eighth guys. So the summation here 213 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,039 is the Hawks are just like doing it wrong because they have enough good players 214 00:13:30,039 --> 00:13:33,080 that enough different positions for this to work and it should work, and it 215 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,960 isn't. I don't. I don't quite understand it. So, I mean, 216 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,120 they're playing better now, so is it has they just turned that corner? 217 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,159 Maybe, but it's still nowhere near what they thought expected. Hope. 218 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:48,360 Yeah, I don't think. And maybe this is just like maybe the answer 219 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:50,600 to every Hawks question, which has been the case all years, like Hey, 220 00:13:50,639 --> 00:13:56,000 Trey Young make more than three out of ten threes, like make yeah, 221 00:13:56,039 --> 00:13:58,759 okay, let's keep it up. I still see thirty one point whatever 222 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,879 sent on there. That's just like that's rough. Yeah, trade John Collins. 223 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,759 Let's end this. I don't know where he goes. It's just like, 224 00:14:07,799 --> 00:14:09,120 did you do you like the Utah deal that was floated out? Let's 225 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,279 say if you don't have to give the Jazz a pick, because that was 226 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,120 just like, well what was that? Because all I remembered was the Utah 227 00:14:15,159 --> 00:14:18,240 wanted to pick and I tuned out. Was it just Malik Beasley and Jared 228 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:22,320 Vanderbilt? Wasn't that the framework of it? I mean, that's a lot 229 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,399 of salary relief, although you're gonna have to pay Vanderbilt sooner than later. 230 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:28,720 I think I can't remember the year left on his deal at four million, 231 00:14:28,799 --> 00:14:31,200 so you don't. I don't like his fit with Capella. I mean, 232 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,720 Olnic might have been in there too. It might have been Malik Beasley and 233 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:39,399 Olink who's aspiring. Yeah, that's that's okay, that's just not enough. 234 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,320 I Yeah, I don't know. I guess maybe the last guy out there 235 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,960 that's just overvaluing Collins at this point, but that that doesn't feel like enough 236 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,279 to me. No, I'm with you there. Our next team that we 237 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,600 will be moving on to here is my team, and it's the Orlando Magic. 238 00:14:58,159 --> 00:15:01,000 They are. My questions for them is like will they do like will 239 00:15:01,039 --> 00:15:03,799 they actually sell or could they buy for next season and beyond? And if 240 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:09,039 they are going to go out there and try to get something, will they 241 00:15:09,039 --> 00:15:11,679 find shooting? Do they kind of strengthen their wing rotation just because like we 242 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:16,720 don't know what Chumo Kekey is, you know, we don't really know what 243 00:15:16,279 --> 00:15:20,559 like Jonathan Isaac isn't even a wing, has barely been playing for a while, 244 00:15:20,799 --> 00:15:24,799 Gary Harris kind of an undersize wing, Terrence Ross coming off the books 245 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:28,200 after this year. Are they going to reroute Mo Bamba or Gary Harris or 246 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,399 Terrence Ross for that matter, if they are sellers, So I have all 247 00:15:31,399 --> 00:15:35,600 sorts of questions for them. I do think they're in this unique situation where 248 00:15:35,639 --> 00:15:39,360 like you could buy with an eye on the future or to next season. 249 00:15:39,679 --> 00:15:41,639 Maybe you take on some money because yeah, you have cap space this summer, 250 00:15:43,039 --> 00:15:45,519 maybe you want to make a run at Fred van Vleet, but outside 251 00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:48,039 of van Vleet, like what's the free agent like you need to go after. 252 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,879 So unless you think you have the inside track on him, do you 253 00:15:50,879 --> 00:15:54,559 really need to think in those terms? And so could you if it's if 254 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,000 you're getting money where it's no, you're not gonna make the playoffs this season, 255 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,200 but you're getting a shooter, just a catslock shooter who's really going to 256 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,559 open up things for your ball handlers and Powell Bank, Caro and Franz Wagner, 257 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:08,799 Mark el Folts, even Joe and Suggs, Like, do you just 258 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,960 go out and make that deal? Do you just sort of stamp pat like 259 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,320 because you want to keep Gary Harrison the next season? You could buy out 260 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:21,159 Terrence Ross to do him a solid. I just like this team is they 261 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,039 could do stuff. I just feel like they're gonna be you know, do 262 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,759 they just move Argi Hampton because he's gonna leave after this year? It feels 263 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:32,039 like that's the scale of the move that they'll make. Yeah, it's it's 264 00:16:32,039 --> 00:16:34,480 a situation where I mean, a shooter would be great. I think that's 265 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,639 probably the most realistic thing to go after, but it's the second it's the 266 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:45,240 thing they need second most because they just need sorry, like Mark every time 267 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:48,240 we talk about the magic I harp on this, like Mark el Folts is 268 00:16:48,279 --> 00:16:52,240 fine, but like you just need a you need a someone at the guard 269 00:16:52,279 --> 00:16:56,919 spot. You know. The playmaking isn't even really that important relative to other 270 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,440 teams because of bank Caro and because of Wagner. I think you could survive 271 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:06,160 with your with your forwards and wings being your you know, shock creators essentially, 272 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:08,720 So it'd be nice if it were a point guard type that could be 273 00:17:08,759 --> 00:17:14,359 a secondary creator or tertiary depending on how those two guys develop. He's got 274 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,359 to be able to shoot. But the next best thing, because those guys 275 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,240 aren't out there, like van Fleet, is sort of like and then who 276 00:17:21,279 --> 00:17:22,960 after that? Like I just I don't know who that other guy is. 277 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,640 Like, it's not you don't go after John Wall, you don't go after 278 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,400 Mike Conley. Those are just like crazy, you know, trade targets that 279 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:34,279 would not be helpful. So if you're gonna go another direction, just go 280 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:37,680 get a shooter. Then the problem is, like, well, is there 281 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,440 a better one out there than Gary Harris? You know that is at the 282 00:17:41,519 --> 00:17:45,240 right cost, Like Terrence Ross, I guess I'd be happy to move him. 283 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,440 He just in exploited. He's kind of like the like John Collins wishes 284 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,240 he'd been on the trade blocker as long as Terrence Ross, like that, 285 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,599 he's the goat of trade trade block guys that never get traded. But yeah, 286 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,559 I don't know what they're gonna do either, other than probably look to 287 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:06,640 move Mo Bamba just because he's totally superfluous. Now, yeah, who is 288 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,200 Is he their most likely player to be traded? I mean I would say 289 00:18:10,319 --> 00:18:14,200 Terrence Ross, but since he's clearly immovable, I think it probably is Bomba 290 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,000 because he's got that he's got that partial guarantee on next year's salary, and 291 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:22,000 it's only ten point three this year, so you know it does he's a 292 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,000 fraction of that for the balance of the year. He could get you someone 293 00:18:25,079 --> 00:18:27,400 at a similar number at another position that you could try to develop, I 294 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,039 think, But like they just don't need another center, I don't think, 295 00:18:30,079 --> 00:18:33,720 especially with Isaac Back. I imagine you want him to play some center minutes 296 00:18:33,759 --> 00:18:37,720 if he stays healthy. Yeah, he's not even guaranteed anything next year Mobamba, 297 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:44,160 so like you could functionally asn't expiring. And speaking of that, although 298 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:45,599 is this the is this the trade I propose. I don't know if it 299 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:51,240 was yes. So I have the Orlando Magic, get Joe Harris, the 300 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:56,599 Nets, get Mo Bamba and Terrence Ross. If I'm the Nets, I'm 301 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,519 in love with the not having to pay either of those guys cheer. And 302 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:06,920 I think probably it sucks for Joe Harris that Terrence Ross is a downgrade for 303 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,440 sure from Joe Harris, even if we've talked about before how Joe Harris isn't 304 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:15,039 great anymore. But I guess that hinges on Bomba is Bomba a big value 305 00:19:15,039 --> 00:19:19,920 add for the Nets. They need a big He's gonna hit more of his 306 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,440 free throws than Ben Zimmons and Nick Claxton. Well, and we we we 307 00:19:23,559 --> 00:19:26,480 also have said that if you're going to get a backup big behind Clackson, 308 00:19:26,519 --> 00:19:30,279 he better be able to shoot. And that is the other thing Bomba can 309 00:19:30,279 --> 00:19:32,640 do. If he's gonna play next to Ben Simmons, he's gonna space the 310 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,480 floor a little bit on offense. Like That's that is a real that's a 311 00:19:36,519 --> 00:19:40,319 real thing that the Nets should care about in this kind of trait. Harris 312 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:41,799 is just so clearly the best player in that deal that it gives me some 313 00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:45,440 pausitives. It's the money for him where it's like, are the nets gonna 314 00:19:45,519 --> 00:19:51,720 keep Seth Curry? It's just like I for the Nets, I feel like 315 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:56,000 he could be spous and just like, but he's still really good. But 316 00:19:56,039 --> 00:20:00,559 he's also playing a fewer minutes per game than Seth Curry moment, and so 317 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,200 are you going to be more invested in keeping Seth card because maybe he's cheaper 318 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,799 than nineteen million of pop. That's what makes this tough because in a vacuum, 319 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,839 I don't know that the nets should want to do this at the same 320 00:20:11,839 --> 00:20:15,440 time, like it does kind of even out the rotation a little bit. 321 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,839 I guess, like if you're getting Bomba or maybe you just want to get 322 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,880 out of Joe Harris's money and you're viewing this is getting too expiring Storm without 323 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,200 having to give up any equity Joe Harris's trade values where there's a lot of 324 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,400 teams that I would like that I think he would just be super useful for 325 00:20:27,519 --> 00:20:30,279 the Magic would be one of them, by the way, I think he'd 326 00:20:30,279 --> 00:20:33,319 be a great fit. And yeah, I agree, like we said, 327 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,640 like if if they can't get a you know, a real bit like I 328 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:41,039 don't Harris isn't someone I feel comfortable with like starting well, I guess he 329 00:20:41,079 --> 00:20:42,559 could start at the two. I guess he sort of has started at the 330 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:45,880 two. I just yeah, I don't know. I want I'm selfishly want 331 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,559 a little more like playmaking there. But that's what a point guard's for, 332 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,119 so I mean in theory, although the Magic you know, have struggled with 333 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,839 that. All right, you're ready to hit Charlotte. This is a weird 334 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:02,279 team. Yeah, so I don't want to throw it to you immediately. 335 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,079 But like, am I wrong for thinking, as like sad sack as the 336 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:07,480 season has been for the Hornets, that they actually kind of have some good 337 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,160 options right now, Like they're not it doesn't feel like they're in I mean, 338 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,359 we probably called them one of the most helpless franchises, but at least 339 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,720 in the immediate they have some stuff that they could get up to here and 340 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:22,400 like throw Hayward out. I don't know what to do with Hayward. I 341 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,480 don't think he's movable. Maybe next year when he's expiring, that's fine, 342 00:21:26,519 --> 00:21:30,720 but like we can worry about where he should go after that, But then 343 00:21:30,759 --> 00:21:34,440 like go down the list like PJ. Washington, the restricted free agency of 344 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,960 their sellers. They should be selling obviously, Like I don't feel like we 345 00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:41,720 need to say that, but PJ. Washington should have like a significant amount 346 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,200 of interest. Just the team that gets him would need to be sure that 347 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,880 it was willing to pay what another team's offer sheet was, Like, I 348 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,480 don't know what we're looking at for him. Twenty million a year doesn't seem 349 00:21:52,519 --> 00:21:57,920 like insane given the market. Maybe more, I don't know. So you 350 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,920 have him available. Kelly Ubrey and Mason Plumley are both expiring twelve point six 351 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,759 million for Ubre, nine point one for Plumy. Book Night could be somebody's 352 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:12,000 second draft candidate if you wanted to just cut bait now, Cody Martin, 353 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,400 we've talked about several times, you know, average of like seven and a 354 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,799 half million over the next three years, Like that small stuff that the Hornets 355 00:22:19,799 --> 00:22:23,599 could move, could look to get back younger players, could maybe get some 356 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:29,759 picks possibly depending on you know, the Washington situation. Even even Terry Rogier, 357 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,559 Like it makes a lot. You know, it's twenty one, twenty 358 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:37,000 three, twenty five, twenty seven million over the next three It's it's a 359 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:41,119 decent amount. Have you are you aware there's a tangent of like the weirdness 360 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,880 of his of the partial guarantee in his last year of that deal. It's 361 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,359 basically it's just like it's, isn't it twenty five of twenty seven millions guaranteed 362 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,799 or something like just yeah, and he gets do you know what it will 363 00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:56,200 take to get that extra two million to get up to the It's so he 364 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,440 needs to play seventy games in a season, and that Charlotte also sees the 365 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,000 second round of the playoffs and at some point during the life of the contract 366 00:23:04,079 --> 00:23:08,000 before that year, so he just he's written that off as a loss. 367 00:23:10,079 --> 00:23:12,039 I wish I could have seen that negotiation where it's like, no, no, 368 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,839 sixty five games first round, No, no, no eighty games, 369 00:23:17,319 --> 00:23:19,880 gotta win, gotta make it to game six of the conference, Like, 370 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,200 like, what a weird. I don't know, maybe that's more common than 371 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:29,279 it seems like, but that's such a bizarre partial anyway, Yeah, the 372 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,319 Charlotte, the Charlotte Hornets are sellers. They're really bad. LaMelo ball is 373 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:37,319 just about the only piece I think that is. You know, I'd be 374 00:23:37,599 --> 00:23:41,279 saying hands off no matter what, and they got I mean, we didn't 375 00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:44,640 even talk about Jayalen McDaniels. Every time Jaden McDaniels comes up, as like 376 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,519 everybody wanted him last year and over the summer, Jalen is kind of right 377 00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:52,039 there, as like the lesser option, so lots of pieces to move. 378 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,559 I would be in the hunt for every pick, every second draft guy, 379 00:23:55,599 --> 00:23:59,799 I could get you know, all that stuff. Yeah, I don't disagree 380 00:23:59,799 --> 00:24:03,640 with anything you said. You like painted it as a rosier. I think 381 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,519 then I would have. I just are they going to have the guts to 382 00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:08,279 do it? Like we saw that they were reportedly want a first round pick 383 00:24:08,319 --> 00:24:11,960 for Mason Plumbly and it's like, what are guys, what are we doing 384 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:15,119 here? I've always been playing better, but he's on an expiring contract. 385 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,519 He's Mason plumber You're not getting a first round pick for him. But PARENT 386 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,519 like the point there is like you don't actually need to do anything to continue 387 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:25,920 sucking, like you're still going to be right in the thick of the women 388 00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:29,559 Yama sweepstakes. And so I don't like, if you want to see if 389 00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:32,559 you can bring back Plumby or Kelly Bridge juniors at Worth keeping them on your 390 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:34,519 books, I don't know. I'd be a little bit worried about what PJ. 391 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,440 Washington could command. I think we saw that he turned down like a 392 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,880 fifty three million dollars extension whatever it was. Is he gonna cost? Like 393 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,640 is he gonna get eighteen or nineteen a year? Because you risk losing him 394 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,920 for nothing? That's the name that if I'm them, I'm focused on, 395 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,799 just because that's the highest stakes that I think they faced leading into this offseason, 396 00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:53,640 where it's a right if you lose Jale McDaniels just kind of whatever. 397 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,759 His offense is just filled with misadventure, too much of it for me. 398 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:02,759 But I just like sort of wonder like is this a team? Like what 399 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,000 is the edict here? Is it Okay, we're gonna sell this season, 400 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:08,440 but it's with the obligation to turn around and we have to try and win 401 00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:14,240 next season with our high draft pick and Mamelou. There's I think the Miles 402 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:19,640 Bridges felony domestic violence, felony domestic violence charges they factor into this in the 403 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:25,119 sense of are they going to bring him back next year? Like what happens 404 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,799 with him and how does that impact their view of PJ. Washington. I 405 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:33,000 just can't get this is another team I don't have a great feel for they're 406 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,920 clearly sellers and they have players to sell, but Kelly Ridge juniors injury, 407 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,720 I think that complicates things a little bit for them. And then do you 408 00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:45,240 want to move Terry rosiear like we sort of mentioned that where it's like do 409 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:48,039 you kind of need his shooting? And he's having a down year, but 410 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,720 he's had a play too, like his role has just been overstretched. That 411 00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:56,720 points They're just in a very bizarre situation and they're Clarity's gonna come over the 412 00:25:56,759 --> 00:26:00,839 off season, I would think more so than it's gonna come met to trade 413 00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:04,519 dead Vine? Yeah, I think I think Plumbly is probably the most likely 414 00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:08,079 guy to move because of that nine million expiring. And we've covered several teams 415 00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:11,039 that need a backup center or want a backup center. I don't know if 416 00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:15,680 I agree that they need one. Well, like, let's just say it 417 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,720 doesn't get them under the tax by by like hundreds of thousands of dollars, 418 00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:23,759 just barely doesn't do it, I think would So if I'm the if I'm 419 00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:27,759 the Hornets, or if you're the Hornets, are you interested in tywooll and 420 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:33,640 cork moths for Plumbly, like is that. I would think the Flyers have 421 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,599 tyboll getting him into restrict to free agency scene what you could do with an 422 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,160 actual wing defender on your team. Yeah, I would do it. Yeah, 423 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,640 I think I would too. And I think if the problem for the 424 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,759 Sixers is then you got to do something else to just shave off a few 425 00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:49,720 hundred grand more and maybe you're giving up Springers somewhere else or something like that. 426 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,279 But yeah, Like so Plumbly is the most likely guy to move, 427 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,519 but it's like it's not that easy, Like the number on his salary is 428 00:26:57,599 --> 00:27:00,720 like high enough to where it's not that easy to do it. You know 429 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:04,680 that you're you're talking about Denver take him into their traded player exception, or 430 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,240 that's not someone you're drumming your tax bill up for. Well, I mean 431 00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:14,640 Denver's Yeah, I mean that's always been an issue for them. Am I 432 00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:21,240 just gonna pay a bunch of money for Plumbly? I don't know, that's 433 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,400 the When I phrase it that way, it's a tough sell. I'm not 434 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,599 sure I can get there. So he's gonna play like five minutes a game 435 00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:32,000 in the playoffs, too, So, like I don't know. So for 436 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,839 my Horne's trade idea, I wanted to frame it in what if they kind 437 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,799 of didn't do anything to impede how much they sucked this season, but they're 438 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,680 taking a higher end swing for the seasons to come. Now. This trade 439 00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:48,559 was talked about on No Dumb Sinc. Podcast. They gave it an F. 440 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,519 They were they were basically disgusted by it, but I had so the 441 00:27:53,599 --> 00:28:03,519 Hornets received Ben Simmons and Joe Harris and the Nets receive Mason Plumley, jail 442 00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:12,799 And McDaniels and Gordon Hayward. This is a This is no worse than a 443 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:19,119 D minus F is really harsh. I don't know how so wait, I 444 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,119 think, first of all, I'm a little surprised at myself that I kind 445 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,319 of perked up and got excited when you said Ben Simmons, even though he's 446 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,680 such a terrible contract. But for Charlotte, it's like fuck it, who 447 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,480 cares? Like why not just take take this? Take a shot. But 448 00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:36,799 the thing I actually was like, is this too bad for the Nets? 449 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,319 Well that's the thing, Like, I don't know, I don't know if 450 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,240 like so wait, it's sorry it was Gordon Hayward Kelly Oubre and Mason Plumley 451 00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:49,640 for Ben Simmons was the trade. I don't think the Nets are doing that, 452 00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:53,680 even if it's really tempting to get off of Simmons this contract just because 453 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,720 like Hayward, it was Ben Simmons and Joe Harris by the way, so 454 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:03,640 it was I hadn't even gotten too yet. I think that makes the Nets 455 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,839 worse, although does it in the playoffs? Probably? I just think Simmons 456 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,799 maybe not be of any use whatsoever, you know, in the second by 457 00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:18,319 the second round of the playoffs, and maybe Hayward is because if Hayward's healthy, 458 00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:21,480 the Nets are better. But that is just like a big, big, 459 00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:23,279 big, big, biggest if of all time. Yeah, that's not 460 00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:26,920 an f trade. I can't give it, Like, that's not a failure. 461 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,960 You're not a failure, Dan. It would be would the Hornets be 462 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,119 a team that you could see, like, you know what, let's roll 463 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:36,880 the dice on Ben Simmons right now, because what are the teams that would 464 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,440 trade for Ben Simmons right now? I would put the Hornets on the list. 465 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,880 We Oh yeah, how long is that list? Hey? Long? 466 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,799 They can be at the top if they want. I think I think that's 467 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,640 that's that's realistic. Are we ready to move on to the Washington Wizards. 468 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:56,599 Let's do it. So the Wizards are should be sellers who probably fancy themselves 469 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,240 as buyers. Is how I classified them? Yeah, they have a notable 470 00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,759 traded player exception six point three million and expires next January. It was just 471 00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:07,160 created in the Ruey Hatchmore trades, so they probably won't use it. I 472 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,720 have their most likely player to be trade as Will Barton. He's not really 473 00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:15,079 playing and he's expiring. They are three point two million dollars below the luxury 474 00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:18,240 attack, so that has to be factored in Nettie trade they make. What 475 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,359 to watch for? I feel like there's a bunch is do they shop soon 476 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,880 to be free agent Kyle Kuzma? What about soon to be free agent Christops 477 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,559 Perzingis? Both those guys have a player option. If they're not going to 478 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:33,000 be sellers, what is their ceiling as mid season buyers? Because you've already 479 00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:36,319 trade Ruey Hatchmore, You've got second round picks for him, and you owe 480 00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:40,279 your first round pick to New York. It's protected in two twenty three for 481 00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:44,680 the lottery top twelve and two twenty four top ten and two twenty five top 482 00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:48,279 eight in two thousand and twenty six, and so you theoretically, yes, 483 00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:52,160 you can trade a first allowable draft pick, but you can't technically guarantee a 484 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,359 first round pick it til two and twenty eight, So that would take you 485 00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:00,079 out of it would seem a lot of rosy discussions unless Team X believes, 486 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:03,000 hey, they'll make the playoffs in twenty twenty four, so we're gonna get 487 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,880 twenty six and twenty eight picks or whatever it is. So I just we 488 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,559 know what the Wizards should do and they're not gonna do it. But like 489 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,400 what so then, like do you just stand pat now? Because I think 490 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,759 a lot of people point out, like, well, maybe they'll still shop 491 00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:25,119 Kyle Kuzma historically when they've not shopped these free agents, Like let's use Davis 492 00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:27,000 Parton's remember that year where they everyone thought they get two first round picks for 493 00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:30,799 him, but they decided decided to keep him. It seemed like they had 494 00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:33,880 good intel that they were going to be able to resign him, And so 495 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,319 it doesn't seem like if they're keeping Kyle Kuzma and you're moving Ruey, it 496 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,240 kind of points to It was never an either or position like proposition. Kuzma 497 00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:45,319 so much better than him, but it short of shows that you are planning 498 00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:48,119 to pay Kyle Kuzma and maybe Christos Porzingis as well, Like what are you 499 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,920 doing at the deadline? And then what is your If this is your core, 500 00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:56,119 what's your biggest need? I have it as just sort of a a 501 00:31:56,319 --> 00:32:00,279 point guard who doesn't necessarily need to be the best playmaker in the world, 502 00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:04,039 but he needs to be the perfect compliment to Bradley Beale, who would argue 503 00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:07,839 that we haven't really seen that point guard yet between John Wall and Russell Westbrook 504 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,759 and Almonte Morris, like there hasn't been that perfect fit in the backcourt with 505 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:19,839 Beal. Yeah, so the Wizards are gonna do what they've been doing for 506 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,119 a long time, which is just recommitting to a core that just isn't good 507 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:28,400 enough. Because I think they just fully intend to keep Kuzma. He'll opt 508 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,400 out and then they'll, you know, they'll sign him to a new deal. 509 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,160 I mean, I don't think that's out of the question for Porzingis. 510 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,759 Either if he opts out, I think he I think he might. I 511 00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:40,400 think he's probably get opt out like if he unless he's unhealthy to finish the 512 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,079 season. It's just I don't know, he's not gonna get thirty million a 513 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,799 year, but he'll get more than thirty million over the longer term. I 514 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,119 sure. I mean he might just get you know, or for eighty or 515 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,279 something. Well, I think he could do better. I mean he might 516 00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:55,519 get three for you know, three for eighty or three for three for night 517 00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:59,119 like I I mean, because he's due to make thirty six next year. 518 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,480 So like, but it's crazy that that's even a There was a while there 519 00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:05,519 where it was like that guy's gonna just take every guaranteed dollar you can get 520 00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:08,799 and not risk anything. But so but then there's there's your team basically, 521 00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:13,599 because if you're gonna if you've got Beal on the books for forty almost forty 522 00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:16,480 seven next year in Porzingis will be in the twenty thirty range, and Kuzma 523 00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:21,119 is gonna be probably end of the twenty thirty range too, Like you're set. 524 00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:25,279 It's almost like it's too far gone. There's not so it almost doesn't 525 00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:29,559 matter what they do. If i'm them, I gotta move Barton. I 526 00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:31,599 just don't think he has Like if you could get seconds for Barton. I 527 00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:37,839 think that's probably about us nothing. He's a nothing. You think like you're 528 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:45,640 taking maybe if you take back, like if you're taking back Evan Fournier's so 529 00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:47,920 bleak. Uh. Yeah, I agree. The point guard is a need 530 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:54,200 and that Morris is like Morris was with the Nuggets, Like, oh man, 531 00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:59,759 what a luxury as a backup one, you know, and as a 532 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,160 arder. He's just not quite He's just not that guy like he's he'll be 533 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,400 in the league for a long time, you know, he's not. He's 534 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,440 already been in the league. He's twenty seven. But he's not a starter 535 00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:12,960 there. The problem is, like they just don't have what it would take 536 00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:17,400 unless you're gonna trade Kuzma or Danny Avdia or I don't know, that's really 537 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,639 about it, Corey Kisspert. It's only three and a half million unless you're 538 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,360 gonna move those guys for what Van Vleet like, that's you know, we 539 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,679 can get to trades in a minute, but like, I don't Boilers what 540 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,480 you're going for it to get to hit that point guard in need. Well, 541 00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:36,639 you said that they were locked into their core, and I begged to 542 00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:38,800 differ because I came up with a trade that would him into a different core. 543 00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:45,840 So the Wizards would receive Fred van Vleet and Juan Herning Gomez. The 544 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:51,039 Raptors would get Will Barton, Daniel Gafford, Monte Morris, a twenty twenty 545 00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:53,800 five first round pick, so first allowable pending the obligation to New York, 546 00:34:54,159 --> 00:35:00,000 that would be top seven protected, and then a second first round pick into 547 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,199 twenty seven it'd have to convey two years after the first one. That would 548 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,840 be top ten protection through twenty twenty nine. So basically, let's just say 549 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,920 that the Wizards would make the playoffs in twenty twenty four. That would be 550 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,760 the s that's the I think that's the estimation you're making in this trade. 551 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,039 It would be Will Barton, Daniel Gafford, Monte Morris, a twenty twenty 552 00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:22,000 six first round pick, and a twenty twenty eight first round pick for Fred 553 00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:28,840 van Vleet and Wan Hernagomez. So you're basically locking because you're gonna have to 554 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,000 pay Van Vleet. You're gonna have to say Christoffs and Kuzma, right, 555 00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:37,440 So you're saying Van Vleet, Beale, Porzingis and Kuzma. Yeah, that's 556 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,000 like, that's not nothing, It's I don't hate it. But the problem 557 00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:45,079 is, like the injury concerns with Porzingis and Bill and really Van Vleet are 558 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,039 substantial, and now you're just like, we just don't have picks anymore basically, 559 00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:53,280 so like if we do suck, there's no outs. But you're already 560 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,639 so far down the road, Like if you're the Wizard, you're like, 561 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,679 you might as well, so you have talked me into walking in another core 562 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,880 just because van Fleet is an upgrade over what they have, Like you know 563 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,079 that that's just better, and you're a pot committed as it is, you 564 00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:10,760 might as well just go all the way and see if you can win a 565 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,599 playoff series maybe, and and everybody leaves you along for a while. Yeah, 566 00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:16,840 that's I don't know how I feel about that core. But the four 567 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:22,039 player the five player core of Avdia, kp Fred VanVleet, Bradley Beal, 568 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:27,679 and Kyle Kuzma is like it is intriguing. I really know what it is. 569 00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:31,280 But it's like you have a lot of like defensive strength in there between 570 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:36,639 Van Fleet, what Kuzma has become Porzingis and even Avdia like that's the hell 571 00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:40,599 of a five man unit. Yeah, I mean you would need like like 572 00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:45,920 Corey Kissper has been fine, right, Yeah, that maybe Johnny Davis will 573 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:51,559 turn into something still probably not. I don't hate it. There's a way, 574 00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:53,039 you can see your way. The problem is what we're talking about is, 575 00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:58,079 well I could I could see my way to a team that I like 576 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,239 their top seven guys uh and they're like a six or seven seed in the 577 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:07,679 East maybe like and then they have no picks forever. That's what that's tough. 578 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,039 What side do you think it's more likely to say no to that though, 579 00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:12,480 because that's a lot to give up for van Fleet, but you can't 580 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,400 sign him in free agency. I think the Raptors are more likely to say 581 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:21,320 yes just because they might they I mean, they're probably looking at him as 582 00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:23,599 well. We can do this and get a bunch of picks that might be 583 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:29,679 pretty darn good or at least one, and we don't know if we're gonna 584 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,840 keep van Fleet at all, so like, well, I mean I think 585 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:37,679 Toronto would be okay, don't you like if I'm I guess, unless you're 586 00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:43,320 unless you're sure Van Fleet is gonna be worth close to thirty million a year 587 00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:46,280 for at least three more years. Then I'm I'm looking to move him for 588 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:52,280 something like this. Yeah. I just this is the type of move I 589 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,920 could see watched in making because like your your pot committee, like what is 590 00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:00,239 the path with just this core is? How do you improve up on it? 591 00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:02,559 It would be making a move like this. Yeah. So it's like 592 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,519 sometimes the only way up is down. They just like they just gotta dig 593 00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:12,559 deeper into this plan. Both more likely they make a trade like this, 594 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,840 or they trade Kyle, who's about the deadline something like this, just based 595 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:21,920 on their track record. I just they don't operate that way. They're trying 596 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,599 to get better, and I think you would say that this trade makes them 597 00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:28,440 better. I mean in the immediate right, Like they're they're totally based on 598 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,360 what they've paid guys and how when they've paid guys. This is just what 599 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,119 they do. So I don't know, I don't know. It's hard to 600 00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:37,199 imagine the alternative, right, are you ready to take us out here? 601 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:42,840 Yeah? 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