1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:52,600 The the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 2 00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:53,400 the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theft 3 00:01:53,480 --> 00:03:00,439 then the All right, what's up? Welcome another open forum. Initially, 4 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:06,879 we may get to some of the other World Economic Forum stuff here a little 5 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:12,759 bit. I want to go ahead and start the discussion with the Twitter stuff, 6 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:17,360 I guess, and I'll cover it in brief. I do want to 7 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:29,759 mention that I might also touch on some of the recent drama with other things 8 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:35,759 too, but that's not the main point of this discussion. Because it turns 9 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:47,479 out that Ibarra Ibarra tweeted at me today and he's ended my career. He's 10 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:55,240 ended my career because it turns out that both Ibarra and Lofton have banded together 11 00:03:55,319 --> 00:04:01,520 to do their own freestyle rap and they clap back in the rap battle. 12 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:13,000 As you know, you've seen me and others impersonating doing some some rap battle 13 00:04:13,159 --> 00:04:17,399 working and now we've got Barn loft and clapping back. If you don't know, 14 00:04:17,439 --> 00:04:23,480 they formed a band and they've released this hot new track to set a 15 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:41,360 straight It's called All you Can Eat Side, Give Me Some Past Me and 16 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:53,959 Paso and some of my plate. Give me some sweet seddle, give me 17 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:58,000 give to butter and story dad. I love the woman, the food. 18 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,279 That's right, they made it. They made it. Clap when they clap 19 00:05:35,399 --> 00:05:40,279 back. There's Erica Barr right there. There's Erica Barr right there at the 20 00:05:41,759 --> 00:05:46,800 at the buffet. Oh you can eat making it clap back, Oh you 21 00:05:46,879 --> 00:05:53,319 can heat. So anyway, they ended me right there. It's over. 22 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,600 I'm done. I'm retiring from the internet today. It's all over. And 23 00:05:57,639 --> 00:06:03,240 look, look, how means mean? How dare him make a joke even 24 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:10,360 though hundreds of people were trashing Jay Dyer on Twitter all week? How dare 25 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,600 he make a joke about someone's weight, even though he's a KGB sorcerer, 26 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:19,160 demon scumbag, he's a Satanic emissary. But how dare he make a joke 27 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:27,399 about a chunky dude? Look, we're in a domain where nowadays, if 28 00:06:27,439 --> 00:06:32,560 you make a joke, it's hate speech. If you debate people, that's 29 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:42,839 toxic masculinity. It's just things have gotten so crazy that anything becomes an excuse, 30 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:49,720 becomes a way to try to in a really slimy crying out while you 31 00:06:49,720 --> 00:07:00,480 stab the person away, try to play the victim. Oh he I mean, 32 00:07:00,519 --> 00:07:04,519 I don't even know exactly. It's still a mystery to me. What 33 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:10,680 exactly is the mean part? Like is it jokes? And you know, 34 00:07:11,959 --> 00:07:15,600 we've had a lot of people over the last several years who, you know, 35 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:21,279 maybe they encountermine material through a debate or a blood sport thing, which 36 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:26,000 was not ever formal debates. First of all, right, I mean blood 37 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:32,120 sports stuff was just people getting on and acting Jerry Springer's style crazy, and 38 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,240 it was more of an entertainment thing. And then at times there would be 39 00:07:36,279 --> 00:07:41,279 formal debates. Right, we had the formal debate with JF back in the 40 00:07:41,319 --> 00:07:44,519 day about atheism, So every now and then there would be a formal debate, 41 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,040 but most of the time it wasn't, and there was I don't know, 42 00:07:46,079 --> 00:07:49,920 there was only like a handful of those, like three maybe that I 43 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:56,480 was directly involved in. And then you know, some other people like the 44 00:07:56,519 --> 00:08:01,240 set of a contest guy and then the other weirdo guy, and those were 45 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:07,839 not formal debates, and so those got clipped where I got heated with somebody 46 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,319 who was just being completely ridiculous and blasphemous or something like that, and I 47 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,759 said something like are you kidding, You're an idiot. You have no idea 48 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:18,160 what you're talking about. People like t Jomp who clearly had no idea what 49 00:08:18,199 --> 00:08:20,759 he was talking about, or the Kurgan who had no idea. He thought 50 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,680 he thought Denzinger was it was some guy and not that it's the name for 51 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,320 the book of Catholic Dogma. He thought it was just some guy who writes 52 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,840 books and his opinions or something like that. So he didn't even know what 53 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,000 Denzinger was. And so I said, you have no idea what you're talking 54 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,080 about. Oh, clip it, clip it, clip it. Look he's 55 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:46,120 mean, he can only resort to calling the guy an idiot. So then 56 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:50,559 what happened was those clips. And it's only like a handful. Remember this 57 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,440 is out of a span of like hundreds of hours of formal and informal debates, 58 00:08:54,879 --> 00:09:01,000 public with famous people, private debates, debate on Twitter with just people 59 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,279 who wanted to pop in, right, So two or three clips made the 60 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:13,080 rounds through people like vocab, Malone, Lofton and others intentionally clipping two or 61 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,240 three moments of me calling someone an idiot, who was VERI fibly an idiot? 62 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,039 Out of hours and hours and hours of debates, and then it gives 63 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:26,720 credence to everyone to say, oh, look, this is all he does. 64 00:09:26,279 --> 00:09:31,519 He just screams at people, even though within a minute they could go 65 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:37,559 and look and see whether there's countless hours hours of formal debates with Muslims, 66 00:09:37,759 --> 00:09:43,039 with atheists and with all matter of disagreeers. No, no, two or 67 00:09:43,039 --> 00:09:48,720 three clipped clips becomes in the justification for this is all he does, all 68 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:52,120 he ever does. And so there's some people who believe this, and then 69 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:58,720 those people just get really vocal on Twitter, and usually it's angry but hurt 70 00:09:58,799 --> 00:10:05,200 rum Catholics and people who were at one time in the discord six years ago. 71 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:07,080 Now I don't run that discord anymore. I didn't. I don't have 72 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,240 time to do it. I've handed that off to other people, people like 73 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,679 FDA and others, and let them run it, David, they run that 74 00:10:15,759 --> 00:10:18,240 thing. I'm in there, popping in and out maybe once every few months. 75 00:10:20,159 --> 00:10:22,960 I did a talk yesterday in there for the first time in maybe three 76 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:26,679 or four months. So it's not something that I typically have a lot of 77 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:31,559 time to devote to. But when it first started, that discord was initially 78 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:37,480 just a server that I created for, you know, to have another social 79 00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:43,039 media outlet, slash backup. So it grew kind of snowballed on its own 80 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:48,600 and we have people like David Snack Kai, you know, Lewis, Orthodox 81 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:54,120 Shahada guys. They came in and we decided what we would do is make 82 00:10:54,159 --> 00:11:00,960 it a training ground, a tool, a base, a basis for training 83 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:07,639 people to do apologetics. And you know, I think providentially it became its 84 00:11:07,639 --> 00:11:11,120 own thing, right. It grew into being ten thousand, five hundred people 85 00:11:11,159 --> 00:11:18,000 now and along the way, any group like that, I don't care what 86 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:22,200 group you're If you have a basket weaving group, right, you're gonna have 87 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:28,279 weirdos, creeps people come in and cause problems because what I do ended up 88 00:11:28,279 --> 00:11:33,159 getting popular. In the last six years, we've had a lot of people 89 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,440 come and go. And it's true that in some cases people were maybe booted 90 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:43,600 by mods too quick, or there was something that happened that was a misunderstanding, 91 00:11:43,759 --> 00:11:46,639 and usually those kinds of situations get rectified. However, a lot of 92 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:52,600 the people who were booted five six years ago, they got really but hurt 93 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,360 and really resentful about being booted. And so what happened is that They would 94 00:11:56,399 --> 00:12:03,559 then go to Twitter and then they would formed this idea that I was wronged 95 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,480 because I was booted from a discord and therefore all of the Ortho bros Are 96 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:11,519 bad and toxic. Now, nobody even used this term until it was like 97 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:16,279 a pejorative that somebody made up years ago to say that people doing quote online 98 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:22,399 orthodoxy are bad news. And this kicked up in twenty eighteen because I did 99 00:12:22,519 --> 00:12:26,480 a calling out and a critique of Ancient Faith Radio because they were promoting a 100 00:12:26,519 --> 00:12:31,440 woman who was promoting skittles things to kids. They initially denied that this was 101 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,480 the case, then they later removed that woman from their speaking tour and admitted 102 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,440 that it was the case. As a result of this, father Andrew Damik 103 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,679 and other people launched a campaign to come against me and try to get me 104 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,960 booted from the church as soon as I was entering the church. So that 105 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:52,480 was the whole drama back at that time. And if you remember, hundreds 106 00:12:52,519 --> 00:12:56,320 of people across Facebook, social media, Twitter came after me, called me 107 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,639 the worst person on the planet. I'm just a troublemaker. This on that 108 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,960 lying about me in all crazy manner of stuff. They brought back all the 109 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,759 trad cat claims about me being a KGB sorcerer, an agent and occultist, 110 00:13:11,799 --> 00:13:15,559 a Satanist, a witch, a wick and just to all this nonsense. 111 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,639 And what do we see now, Well, turns out ancient faith radio who 112 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,759 has a history of, of course, booting people who are pretty good and 113 00:13:26,879 --> 00:13:31,120 running off the people that are pretty good. That's their track record. We're 114 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,240 going to open it up here in a second, because we have some people 115 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:37,159 who took issue with me, and I wanted to give them the opportunity to 116 00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:39,000 come and talk about it. Most of the time, what happens is that 117 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,879 these people don't know the background, they have no idea about what has happened 118 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:46,240 in the last six or seven years. They're fresh to these topics, and 119 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,679 they feel the need to sound off on it and go off on me and 120 00:13:50,799 --> 00:13:56,519 use it as another instance to garner favor and gather in the conglomeration of lunatic 121 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:01,600 haters that are out there. So this is what's recently occurred. Is this 122 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,559 email if you can see it here, that went out to a lot of 123 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:15,360 people, and it says that the Saint Phoebe Center, this is the well 124 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:22,960 funded from the global establishment operation pushing for deaconesses in the Orthodox Church. They, 125 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:30,480 together with some of their people, doctor Theodoppolos and doctor Carrie Frost, 126 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:35,639 will be featuring a documentary on deaconess's in the Orthodox Church. So the two 127 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:41,960 people who are the main proponents of this diabolical move are mentioned as featured in 128 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:48,720 the documentary. And when you ask about the documentary, they say, oh, 129 00:14:48,759 --> 00:14:52,600 how dare you question our motives for doing this? How dare you? 130 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:58,159 You must be an evil, bad person because all we're doing is opening the 131 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:03,159 issue to discuss and de the topic. Surely you can't be against debating the 132 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,240 topic. Now, if you watch the recent discussion that I did with my 133 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:13,960 father John Whyford, you will know that we He did a really brief but 134 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:18,480 thorough refutation of the whole idea of deacon s' is it's premised on the idea 135 00:15:18,519 --> 00:15:24,120 that this person was not a female deacon and therefore not part of the priesthood. 136 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:26,440 So it's a kind of word bait and switch wordplay that they do. 137 00:15:28,759 --> 00:15:33,279 And he pointed out that this is an incrementalist technique that we already saw in 138 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:39,200 denominations like the Episcopalians who introduced first deaconess to then say, well, if 139 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,759 you have a problem with the deacon s. If you don't, then you 140 00:15:41,759 --> 00:15:45,200 shouldn't have a problem with women priests. Well, if you don't have a 141 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,360 problem with women priests, and you should have a problem with a woman bishop. 142 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,840 This is the Overton window. The Overton window opens up the topic by 143 00:15:52,399 --> 00:15:58,279 giving radical oppositional opinions to then make the centrist position, which is the one 144 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:04,120 they originally want to go towards, seem more plausible. And that centrist position 145 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:10,120 isn't really centrist. It's moving typically in the direction of the leftist progressive model 146 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,240 that they wanted all along. So this is a technique, very well known. 147 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,399 It's called the Overton window. You throw up these radical positions, you 148 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:22,279 open the question of something that isn't an open question. It's not an open 149 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:29,399 question. We don't need to reinvestigate moral topics and issues. But this is 150 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:34,039 the model that academics and subversives use. It's very transparent once you know it, 151 00:16:34,919 --> 00:16:37,679 and it's the same thing they do with all the other hot topic moral 152 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:45,840 issues. Oh maybe we should have skittles things going on. Let's open the 153 00:16:45,919 --> 00:16:51,120 topic for debate, and then we'll find a centrist middle position, which, 154 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:55,519 as Tim Gordon perceptively pointed out about the Roman Catholic version of all of this. 155 00:16:55,919 --> 00:16:57,759 If you watched him stuff the other day, he said this very point. 156 00:16:57,799 --> 00:17:03,879 He said, the solution wasn't to immediately go for in the Roman Catholic 157 00:17:03,879 --> 00:17:08,680 world the blessings of skittle marriage. They came up with a new category of 158 00:17:08,759 --> 00:17:17,440 a quasi sacramental blessing for a union, and most likely the same type of 159 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:22,640 tactic will be used here to say, well, maybe the correct Centrist position 160 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:26,920 is not to immediately have female priests, or even maybe female, but let's 161 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:33,240 just have a special quasi dac in it blessing role for women who are excluded 162 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:40,680 from this patriarchal, anti feminist, all male, fallocentric priesthood which needs to 163 00:17:40,759 --> 00:17:45,559 change. Keep in mind, the people pushing this are absolutely goobers. They're 164 00:17:45,599 --> 00:17:51,599 absolutely subverses, and they really do believe they're leftism. They really do think 165 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:57,960 that they're battling against oppressive patriarchal structures and all this kind of nonsense. That's 166 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:03,480 who leads the charge when it comes to this stuff, right, And that's 167 00:18:03,559 --> 00:18:10,799 why it's important to understand that as a lot of the naive people here are 168 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:14,680 not understanding because I got a lot of comments saying that you're jumping the gun. 169 00:18:15,079 --> 00:18:18,519 You're jumping the gun. It's a fair, open discussion. Ancient Faith 170 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:23,920 Radio just wants to have a fair discussion. They want you involved, they 171 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:29,759 want you to come debate and voice your opposition. Now they don't they want 172 00:18:29,799 --> 00:18:33,200 an open question, to move the open over to window. But they're going 173 00:18:33,279 --> 00:18:38,240 to have some people on who disagree. So what it's not even an open 174 00:18:38,279 --> 00:18:44,400 issue. Why do we need to have a debate. It's like raising the 175 00:18:47,599 --> 00:18:53,240 let's have an open discussion about whether Areas or Nestorius were actually heretical. Guess 176 00:18:53,279 --> 00:18:56,920 what they do the same thing with Origin, don't they let's have an open 177 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:04,400 discussion to reinvestigate the other Origin was unfairly targeted. And then you get bishops 178 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:11,799 like Bishop Glitzen promoting Origin as a saint, all the predictable moves of people 179 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:18,000 who believe that they really need to move the Overton window. They really need 180 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:22,240 to change the Orthodox Church in the exact same way that the Protestant Church, 181 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,599 and now that Royalancalolic Church is being changed. So you understanding, it's the 182 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,079 same power structure, the same money, the same forces that are changing Rome 183 00:19:30,759 --> 00:19:33,599 doing the exact same thing in the Orthodox Church. Now, remember I talked 184 00:19:33,599 --> 00:19:40,839 about this in twenty eighteen and even before that, and the response of tons 185 00:19:40,839 --> 00:19:45,960 and tons of online Orthodox was how bad I am and how I need to 186 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,079 be booted from the church as soon as I joined the church. And yet 187 00:19:49,079 --> 00:19:52,480 here we are in twenty eighteen, after Ancient Faith Radio has already run off 188 00:19:52,559 --> 00:20:00,319 multiple people consistently promoting all kinds of bizarre things for many, many years, 189 00:20:02,519 --> 00:20:06,119 and yet now it's still the exact same thing. Pretty it's pretty transparent what's 190 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,720 going on, and you still got people saying how bad I am for talking 191 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:15,359 about this. I mean, it's gonna be just like Francis in five or 192 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,000 ten years, right, they'll be having open I mean, they'll be totally 193 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:23,920 lib and I'll still be bad because I was right about this stuff. And 194 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:30,599 the people think that they need then to make me into some sort of weird 195 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,000 villain or that I'm evil and this kind of stuff. And that's why most 196 00:20:34,039 --> 00:20:37,880 of the time what happens. And there's a guy who had a really good 197 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:48,759 comment I think on this other Yeah, here it is. I appreciated this 198 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:52,079 guy's comment. And this is an example of the types of comments that we 199 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:57,680 see where people kind of come around to eventually realizing, oh, hey, 200 00:21:00,039 --> 00:21:03,559 you know what, maybe you were right. Where is that comment? Let 201 00:21:03,599 --> 00:21:06,720 me find it? Here we go, Jay, I want to apologize to 202 00:21:06,759 --> 00:21:10,839 you. Earlier on in your live streams. I used to criticize your debating 203 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,400 style, but after a number of your videos, I actually see why you 204 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,640 do the way you do it. I now respect you and support you. 205 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,519 You open my eyes to heresy creeping into the OCA. And so people thought 206 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:26,200 that like I just wanted to just go after people, and I I'm just 207 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:32,279 mean. I just randomly get fulfillment in just just picking people to randomly go 208 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,599 after and be mean to. If you followed what we do here, our 209 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:42,400 model of content is absolutely not that I don't spend my time targeting people and 210 00:21:42,759 --> 00:21:49,200 harassing people. Some woman implying today I was cyberbullyingfile so a public profile can 211 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,559 call me out, call me every name of the book if I dare to 212 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,839 reply, oh he's cyber bullying, We got him. You look what he's 213 00:21:56,839 --> 00:22:02,400 doing. He's so mean. They cry out as they strike, you know, 214 00:22:02,599 --> 00:22:07,759 tactics, right. Ninety five percent of the content that I do, 215 00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:17,799 if you scroll through my channel has nothing to do with fighting and targeting and 216 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:23,079 drama. I don't really do drama streams. Today is one of those rare 217 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,519 exceptions where I address this. And if we look through the streams that I've 218 00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:33,559 done recently, let's see, we did pop stars, we did movies. 219 00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:37,880 We had open discussion where people call in. We've done many of those. 220 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,759 I do them every week almost for many years. We did an interview with 221 00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:48,720 DPH. We had a discussion with A. Tomas. We had open debates 222 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,839 about Lofton and Abara and epistemology. We had comedic streams laughing at witches and 223 00:22:53,880 --> 00:23:00,559 feminists. We had open forum again. We had critiques of Matt from Trent 224 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:06,839 Horn on their theology and their approach. Right, it's not a drama stream 225 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:12,440 responding to their argumentation, particularly there Cameron's arguments for Bayesian mathematics proving the papacy 226 00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:15,880 one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. So yeah, there I did. 227 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:21,160 I called out a dumb argument and made fun of it. But you'll 228 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:26,680 notice most of this content is not drama streams. It's what's your argument. 229 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:32,799 You're welcome to call in, present your position and let me reply, and 230 00:23:32,839 --> 00:23:37,319 we see how rare. That actually is right in the sense of the haters. 231 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,960 Haters never want to come on here because most of the time it's bad 232 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:47,000 motivation to begin with. So, for example, we had two or three 233 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,759 people within the last few hours where they were really voicing a lot of opposition 234 00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:55,200 and anger and disgusted and all this. I said, come on and have 235 00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:56,880 a chat. You can have a chat with me. We can even chat 236 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,039 in DMS. Whatever. No, I want nothing to do with you. 237 00:24:02,319 --> 00:24:04,359 But what is it you think I've done? Oh, you were mean to 238 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:10,279 who you were mean to that guy who's just a humble, pious Orthodox man 239 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:15,759 trying to live out and fight against his passions. No, I'm sorry if 240 00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:18,559 we if we want to go into the individual in question. This is an 241 00:24:18,599 --> 00:24:23,480 individual who was in the discord in twenty seventeen eighteen left it of his own 242 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:29,920 accord because he decided that debate was mean. He himself talked about struggling with 243 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:33,920 his own gender identity and dysphoria, so that's a fact. But then he 244 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,480 decided as soon as he converted, and he had the same claim to being 245 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:42,279 an Orthodox life coach the entire time, that he was now going to coach 246 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:49,240 people about Orthodox spirituality with Again, nobody knows who this person's spiritual priest blessing 247 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,880 comes from, right, nobody knows where this idea of him being able to 248 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:59,480 set up his public ministry comes from. And this person built his Twitter following 249 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,880 over years counter signaling opposing the things that we do. So no, I 250 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,000 didn't just pick him the other day from one post. Now this goes back 251 00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:11,920 to twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, and again many of the people who left 252 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:18,160 the discord or were booted or filtered out are people who are unstable and have 253 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,319 problems, so it's not and then they needed an excuse of course, to 254 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,519 say why, oh that discord is mean, it's their fault. Oh I 255 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:32,559 have obvious mental problems, but it's actually their fault. Right now, if 256 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:37,839 this individual had gone to you know, Orthodoxy and just turned off all of 257 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:44,240 his previous life coaching model of grift, then I think a lot of people 258 00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:47,119 would have been like, Okay, yeah, it makes sense, he's really 259 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,000 trying to go in the right direction and change. But that never happened. 260 00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:55,720 He had the grift from the from day one and made it his model to 261 00:25:56,079 --> 00:25:57,920 say, oh, I do the things that they don't do I do nice 262 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:03,039 orthodoxy. They do mean Orthodoxy. So it's a situation where people like this 263 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,319 have subverted and opposed the stuff that we've done for seven years now, six 264 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:12,920 years. And when I anytime that I even mention these people, a whole 265 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:18,119 host of butt hurt people, including a giant chunk of Roman Catholics, because 266 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,400 they all band together, right, the skittles so called Orthopeople, band together 267 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:29,079 with the angry trad cats who are butt hurt because of Francis to make me 268 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,240 their bad guy and their villain. Oh yeah, he's mean, he's so 269 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:37,160 mean. Listen, it is. If you think I'm mean, how are 270 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:44,759 you going to handle if persecution comes in this country? Right? Father spirit 271 00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:48,720 On Bailey, for example, did a video the other day talking about how 272 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:55,400 people in the West Christmas in the West might be facing martyrdom. See, 273 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,039 you're mentally collapsing, spurging out because you think, I'm mean, how are 274 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:07,240 you going to handle martyrdom if that comes? I mean, there's just this 275 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:15,720 absolute, just pathetic weakness, especially in men. And you'll notice a lot 276 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:22,680 of these men, so called they band together with the feminist ortho woman contingent 277 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:30,079 on Twitter, and they all tweet together and complain about their feelings being hurt 278 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:37,200 and specifying that I'm mean, But nobody can ever explicitly say or detail what 279 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,279 constitutes being mean. And when you really drill into it, it turns out, 280 00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:45,759 well, it makes me feel bad the way you talk to me, 281 00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:49,119 or when you cut somebody off in a discussion. I don't just randomly cut 282 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,640 people off. I've done debate long enough that I know when somebody is avoiding 283 00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:59,000 the question, they're doing a red herring, or they're filibustering. And that's 284 00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:02,119 when I interrupt people because I can tell where they're going with it. I 285 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,279 know they're trying to get around the question I'm asking in a debate. Now, 286 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,519 you may not have been trained in debate, or you didn't go to 287 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:12,119 college to study that debate is a formal part of the art. It's a 288 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:18,440 formal technique that's part of the arts. It's not arguing. It's something that 289 00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:22,559 you used to learn as part of your education. It's not my fault that 290 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:30,839 none of you learned debate. If you go watch any professional classic Oxford debate, 291 00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:38,319 like Hitchens, for example, you'll notice in his Oxford Union debates he'll 292 00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:44,839 even launch insults and jokes at people in the midst of his rhetoric. That's 293 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,440 part of debate. But people today are so soy and so ridiculous they can't 294 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:55,480 even handle a joke in a debate. They melt down and turn the whole 295 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,519 thing into that. That's how ridiculous it is. And you'll notice it, 296 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,440 like, do you know how many times I'd been called names and debates or 297 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,799 on the internet. I mean, Blood Sports was ridiculous. But I will 298 00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:12,599 say this, it was actually a good It was a good initiation into not 299 00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:18,160 being worried about this kind of stuff. So, in other words, think 300 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,200 back to the JF debate, right, I would say the majority of the 301 00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:26,240 of the audience at that time, and we had at least six, maybe 302 00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:30,359 even ten thousand people tuning in live back when Worski had, you know, 303 00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:36,519 three hundred thousand people on his channel. The chat is just hundreds thousands of 304 00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:40,759 people calling me out, calling me ridiculous, calling me names. Do you 305 00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:45,119 think I care about that? Nobody even remembers that except they remember the debate 306 00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:52,640 and how the debate went. So it was a good sort of hazy, 307 00:29:52,880 --> 00:30:00,000 I guess you could say, into not being concerned about when somebody gets really 308 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,039 mad in a debate or heated in a debate on Twitter. Again, men 309 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,039 get heated in debates. I can't fathom why people don't understand this or think 310 00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:11,359 that this is somehow quote toxic. Right. It's just ridiculous. And the 311 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,680 most I've done in any of these debates is say somebody is an idiot. 312 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,599 Right. That's all I can recall is about three or four instances where I 313 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,400 said, you're a goofis you're an idiot? Okay, guess what? Some 314 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,599 people are idiots. I don't know if you know this, but there are 315 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,279 actual idiots out there. Have you read the Book of Proverbs? Proverbs actually 316 00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:36,279 says there's fools, and that means that we have the ability to identify who's 317 00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:40,480 the fool. Because if I can't identify who's a fool, then what good 318 00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:45,400 is Solomon's advice and proverbs if I can't identify it. Now, what actually 319 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,559 happens is when you call somebody a fool who's objectively acting like a fool, 320 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,839 like the Kurgan or Tea dump. People then use that as a technique in 321 00:30:52,920 --> 00:31:00,319 a way to signify virtuous victimhood status. And that's why I reckon into that 322 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:06,279 paper, because even mainline psychology, normy psychology can figure out that in a 323 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,480 egalitarian society like we live in, which is a feminized society, a radically 324 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:17,960 feminized society, what happens is victimhood status is the thing that you signify to 325 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,880 increase your social status. So the more you can portray yourself as an oppressed 326 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:30,480 victim, the more societal points you get, you get credit points, you 327 00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:41,000 get social credibility points in a feminist, egalitarian, quote democratic feelings based society, 328 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:48,000 and the same people that have changed our society into that want to then 329 00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:52,240 do the same thing in the Church. This is so obvious and transparent. 330 00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:56,759 And I don't just mean the Orthodox world. Do you remember the recent comments 331 00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:02,240 from Francis He said Christianity and the Catholic world, and by that he would 332 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,640 mean the Orthodox world as well. They're too masculine. He says, it's 333 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:15,039 toxic masculinity, that it needs to be more feminine. And you'll notice the 334 00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:20,720 pattern two of multiple of the individuals who, for example, years ago, 335 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,480 were booted from the discord or whatever. Not everybody, but several of the 336 00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:35,680 problem people actually had certain say skittles problems by their own confession. Now, 337 00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:38,559 I'm not knocking people that have those issues. Everybody has vices that they struggle 338 00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:42,480 with. Sure. What I am saying, though, is that there are 339 00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:47,279 certain things that make you not qualified to be a spiritual father or a spiritual 340 00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:52,319 advisor. And in Orthodox Christianity, I think it's supposed to be the same 341 00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:55,000 way in that from the Catholic world, according to canon law at least, 342 00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:59,559 but in Orthodox Christianity, as I shared on my Twitter for the other day, 343 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,559 you'll have articles of you know, priests pointing out that there's about thirteen 344 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:09,960 potential obstacles that would prevent the person from being a spiritual father. Some of 345 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:15,880 those things would be if you had notorious struggles with certain sins, if that 346 00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:21,039 was a portion of your previous life. Other things like maybe you've been divorced, 347 00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:24,319 maybe've been remarried a few times, maybe you you know, had a 348 00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:29,599 severe heroin addiction for many years. So this has nothing to do with whether 349 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,680 you can come to the church and be saved. It has to do with 350 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:37,839 people who are being promoted into the priestood. Because a priest is not just 351 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,720 a person who offers the Eucharist. Priests are also, in a way spiritual 352 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:47,240 psychologists, and they know and can can deduce from people's lives what's really going 353 00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:52,319 on with that person, what's causing these outbursts, these manifestations, these things 354 00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:57,440 that are going on with them right now. Not all priests do that correctly 355 00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:01,599 or effectively, but it's their job and their role in society. It's a 356 00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:07,519 public office. And so, as Paul says in Hebrews, no man takes 357 00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:13,440 this office on himself. You don't just start a life coaching thing. You 358 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,880 don't get to just start a profile where you're a pseudo monastic guy on Twitter 359 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:22,920 and give yourself a monastic title and start your Twitter ministry. Now, so 360 00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:27,639 people were complaining and said, oh, but you were talking about Orthodox theology 361 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,760 back in twenty eighteen, Well weren't you. Yes, you know what I 362 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,440 did. I took all of my essays I printed out in my theology essays, 363 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:39,000 and I went to the priest that you see in the videos with me, 364 00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:42,719 and he can tell you that this is what happened. And I said, 365 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,840 here are things that I talk about. I don't want to publicly talk 366 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,039 about these theological things if you think that it's inappropriate or if I'm saying something 367 00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:54,039 wrong or if you believe that it's not wise at this time and ever since 368 00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:58,360 that time, this is twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, when I first visited 369 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,400 the church that I'm still on my spiritual father. I'm not talking about the 370 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,800 church that I came into, and I don't have any critiques or problems with 371 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,480 that church, but I talk about the church that I found that I believe 372 00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:13,719 was providentially where I needed to be. I still have that same currital father, 373 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:20,960 I still have that same situation, and there's never been an issue. 374 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:22,519 Now, there have been times where he said, you know, you shouldn't 375 00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:24,760 have made this joke. Maybe this was going too far. You got a 376 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:29,440 little too heated in this debate. Yeah, that's happened about three four times 377 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,440 in the last six seven years. Sure, but that shows that, you 378 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,880 know, in my situation, and it's not just my priest, it's also 379 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:43,719 all the other clerics and people that they would hold me accountable, and they 380 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,280 do. So the idea that like, oh, I'm not subject to this 381 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:53,599 same standard is that's not true. It is true. I am subject to 382 00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:58,239 the same standard. But you'll notice in a lot of the especially the Twitter 383 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,880 world, none of those people ever identify who they're under. And there's even 384 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,800 profiles out there claiming to be deacons, and there's absolutely no evidence that these 385 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,199 anonymous profiles are actually deacons. And people need to be a little more sophisticated 386 00:36:12,519 --> 00:36:16,079 and a little more a little less naive about how subversion works. Anybody can 387 00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:20,519 start a Twitter profile, Anybody can go on there, put up a picture 388 00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:22,559 of an Orthodox Church, claim to be a deacon or a priest, and 389 00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:27,480 nobody has any idea they actually are. So what's the standard for this. 390 00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:32,800 Well, multiple jurisdictions, as FDA pointed out yesterday, have already said and 391 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:39,519 issued the rulings that you can't be an anonymous cleric. It's not appropriate for 392 00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:46,480 a person who is going to be a priest deacon to represent their faith and 393 00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:52,199 be at the same time anonymous. You can't do it. So that immediately 394 00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:58,800 calls into question anybody doing that and anybody who will not say who they're under 395 00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:07,519 or who their account. And immediately when you point this out, oh you're 396 00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:09,119 trying to dox me. You're trying to dox me. You know, if 397 00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:15,760 you're going to be a public minister, priest, teacher, whatever, you 398 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:22,119 don't have the liberty of also being secret agent journalists who can be anonymous, 399 00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:25,920 right, And I'm sure there's cases where people maybe they need to be whistleblowers. 400 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,920 They can be anonymous, sure, but for public teachers, you don't 401 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,360 have that that liberty. That's not something that you get to do. And 402 00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:39,039 again, already multiple jurisdictions have already said you can't do that. So point 403 00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:46,360 being, nobody should go to people for spiritual advice marital advice. I mean, 404 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:51,320 the crazy thing is like people will convert and they're like twenty years old, 405 00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:54,079 and they go to Canon Law, and then they go to Twitter and 406 00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:59,320 they try to tell marriage people married people how to operate in the bedroom. 407 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:04,159 It's just it's it's ludicrous. And at the same time, all of these 408 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:10,039 Soco orthodox moms all over Twitter, blasting out, calling everybody out, teaching 409 00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:14,599 everybody this, that, showing, putting up their prayers and how much they 410 00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:21,239 pray about everybody, all of that stuff is disgusting. If you're a mom 411 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,119 and you want to make that your ministry, that's fine, but it's not 412 00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:31,360 your business to go around calling everybody out. Paul said that it's his desire 413 00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:38,039 that women learn in silence and in subjection, and it doesn't matter if you 414 00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:40,599 don't like that, that's the problem is in you if you don't like that. 415 00:38:43,519 --> 00:38:47,440 Now, there might be situations and cases where women can teach Sunday school, 416 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,599 women can teach and talk about things on shows. I don't see a 417 00:38:52,599 --> 00:39:00,480 problem with that, but it's not appropriate to be public theological teachers stuff. 418 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,559 And maybe there could be a situation where there's an exception for that. Maybe 419 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:12,559 maybe there's a need in some case and there's no other options. Right, 420 00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:15,400 That could be a case by case basis, maybe, but it's not. 421 00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:21,760 The norm is the point, and things that are not the norm. What 422 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:28,639 happens in the subversion sphere is that they will take examples and exceptions to the 423 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,400 rule and they try to make those the rule. And that's when you know 424 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,559 it's subversive, right, because anytime you talk about this, somebody says, 425 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,599 well, your wife has a podcast. Well, my wife doesn't talk about 426 00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:45,360 theology. She doesn't go out there saying I'm the representative of ro Corps and 427 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:51,239 here is the proper theological interpretation of the trinitarian No no, And by the 428 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,280 way, I don't do that either. I don't represent ro CORPS. I 429 00:39:53,280 --> 00:40:02,639 don't represent any jurisdiction in terms of my geopolitical opinions, my comedy, my 430 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:08,079 media appearances. But one thing I noticed this last week and everybody getting angry, 431 00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:12,280 was that when you start to ask people their reasons for their anger, 432 00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:15,559 a lot of them pointed out that, Oh, it's because he's associated with 433 00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:16,960 so and so, and I don't like so and so, and they're a 434 00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:23,920 collective guilt troop that I can foist my anger upon. And so one woman, 435 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,159 for example, eventually pointed out, Oh, I don't like Rachel Wilson, 436 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,039 and Jay Dyer has appeared with her, so that's a problem for me. 437 00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:39,920 So guilt by association. Now, guilt by association is the classic leftist 438 00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:47,719 tactic, right anybody who's ever been on a podcast, been on an interview, 439 00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:54,079 It therefore automatically means you support all of that person's positions. You're economically 440 00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:59,679 and ideologically in league with them because you were on their podcast, because you 441 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,880 were on a show with them, because you had them on one time. 442 00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:10,239 Totally nonsense, it's totally disingenuous. They were all saying that. So several 443 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:15,199 people said, and it's but hurt tradcats mainly that we're saying this. Jay 444 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:20,880 thinks he's orthodox Andrew Tate because he was on a show with Rachel, and 445 00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:24,480 Rachel was on a show with Rollo, and Rollo talked about Tate. So 446 00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:30,840 therefore, you see he's equivalent to Andrew Tate. I mean what, So, 447 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:36,840 basically, by this argument, everybody believes everybody's positions because these same people 448 00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:40,840 are on leftist boards or on leftist chats. Therefore they believe all the same 449 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,000 things that the leftists they appear with believe, and therefore they all support X 450 00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:49,639 y Z, you know, change cutting off your peepee. Now, if 451 00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:52,039 I accused all of them, Oh so you believe in cutting off children's peep? 452 00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:54,920 Oh dare you say such a thing? Oh but you, But that's 453 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,840 the standard you apply. If you ever appeared with somebody or interviewed somebody, 454 00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:04,159 was on a podcast, whatever, everybody, you have all those same views, 455 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:12,360 right, So it's it's a it's a slimy tactic, just like the 456 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:19,599 other person's slimy tactic. Some woman's dming me today about how dare you respond 457 00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:22,320 to this fifteen year old boy. There's nothing in his bio that said anything 458 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:29,280 about being fifteen. I don't know if he's fifteen. Oh well, it's 459 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,639 looks to me like I've seen cyber bullying on cyber bullying. So again, 460 00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:37,920 people can say anything they want to about me, my wife, whatever. 461 00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:42,639 It's all fair game if I dare reply or clap back or even offer them 462 00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:45,920 the opportunity to come chat. Oh, cyber bullying. Look at your Look 463 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:59,639 at what he's doing. It's just like completely ridiculous, Like no wonder society's 464 00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:01,400 collapse seeing one like these are the people that are gonna be put in charge? 465 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,480 Right? I mean? Is this? Are these the people that are 466 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,039 women? Want to run everything? They want to run the corporations? I 467 00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:14,559 mean I just saw a plane catching fire yesterday and crashing right what delta or 468 00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:15,960 whatever it is? I mean, this is what we're gonna get when these 469 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:21,239 people are running. So does are you gonna run the airlines on the basis 470 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,519 of how the ELP wanes make you feel? Are you gonna run the city 471 00:43:24,679 --> 00:43:30,400 sewage and how it makes you feel? Are you gonna run the wattle systems? 472 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,639 Do? How do you make you feel? See how good that works? 473 00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:37,280 And watch everything collapse? This is why things are collapsing, is because 474 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:43,480 this is what's dominating this is what's ruling today, this kind of insanity, 475 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,239 And really it is the root of it is that the society has been feminized, 476 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:53,480 and femininity is great, but it's great in the domain that it's supposed 477 00:43:53,519 --> 00:44:00,320 to be in, in the home, where the female nurtures the children and 478 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:07,320 so forth. Right, that's what femininity is made for. But these people 479 00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:13,800 buy into the lie that that's an oppressive structure and that for women to be 480 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:19,119 free and to feel fulfilled, they have to rebel against all boundaries and become 481 00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:22,480 what men are and what men do. And then, shocker, they find 482 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,000 out that they're miserable when they do that, because you're not made for that. 483 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,960 Duh, Look, how men he is? How dare he say what 484 00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:34,480 we already all know? How dare he say what was the idea of the 485 00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:37,159 church for the last two thousand years and all traditional religion? How dare he 486 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,599 say it even though we all know it, even though the whole world operated 487 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,280 the same way for thousands of years. No, we have to all bow 488 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:52,960 to the last seventy eighty one hundred years of waves of feminist revolution. But 489 00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:58,760 feminist revolution is the same as Marxist revolution. It comes out of the same 490 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:04,920 ethos, and that whole ethos is about overturning the existing structure to destroy it, 491 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:10,920 to supposedly institute a more fair new thing, a great reset starting over, 492 00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:15,440 a year zero of mouth, a year one, whatever. But all 493 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:20,239 of that is premised on the idea that there's not actually telos, there's not 494 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,400 actually purpose, that men aren't made for certain things and women aren't made for 495 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,199 certain things. No, everything's just up for grabs. We make it what 496 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,320 we want. No, you can't. It's just it's not. Sorry, 497 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:34,400 it doesn't work that way. And everyone who goes against the boundaries that are 498 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:40,360 set up natural and supernatural finds themselves warring against themselves, against nature itself, 499 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,119 against purpose, against health, against wholesomeness, et cetera, all those things. 500 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:52,400 And the further they plunge into destruction, the more they want the thing 501 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,719 that's destroying. No, we need more liberalism, We need more DEI, 502 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,280 we need more inclusivism, We need more And then as it gets worse, 503 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:06,519 no, no, we need more of it. Real Marxism has never been 504 00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:09,599 tried. Real free markets have never been tried. Real equalitarian has never been 505 00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:16,159 tried. Real communists never been tried, Real equality has never been tried because 506 00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:21,599 of the oppressive structures of Christianity that keep us hold us back. Yeah right, 507 00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:24,280 I mean yeah, so all of this should be obvious, but it's 508 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:35,119 not because again, it's a society moving towards being based on feelings. And 509 00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:38,480 feelings are good and they have a place, But you can't run society. 510 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:44,360 You can't run a business, you can't run a government, you can't run 511 00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:52,079 a family, you can't run an organization based on feelings, based on what 512 00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:58,159 you want to be the case. And that's why men have traditionally been and 513 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:06,440 are leaders. That's why men go to war. Warfare is really the ultimate 514 00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:08,719 I'm not saying warfare is good, but warfare is really the ultimate sort of 515 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:15,599 example of a situation where it's a zero sum game, like you can't make 516 00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:22,079 a mistake in warfare. Imagine trying to base warfare on feelings, right, 517 00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:29,559 I mean what? And although warfare is a tragedy, it's a result of 518 00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:35,719 the fall. No society, no family can function without that element of a 519 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,039 warrior spirit and warfare being present. For example, as a guy, I 520 00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:45,559 have a duty to protect my wife. I have a duty to set boundaries, 521 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:50,400 I have a duty to do those things if people come over those boundaries, 522 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,519 people break into my house or something like that, Right, I have 523 00:47:52,599 --> 00:48:00,880 a duty to engage in that defense. Imagine me complaining about, uh oh, 524 00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:06,639 sorry, mister raperman, I don't feel like you should have broken into 525 00:48:06,639 --> 00:48:09,599 the house tonight. Can we sit down and have a safe space conversation as 526 00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:14,679 to why you shouldn't have done these mean things? And I'm sure if you 527 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,760 will hear me out, you'll understand my side and that you shouldn't be hurting 528 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,519 people's feelings by trying to break into their house and be a raperman. How 529 00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:27,559 well would that go? You see how silly this is. You shouldn't have 530 00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:31,119 boundaries, We shouldn't have who oh, do you live in a house with 531 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:38,800 walls? What are you talking about? Anyway, So we're gonna open it 532 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,280 up and then I'll go to WF. I'll probably clip this later to be 533 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,320 two different things because the WF stuff, well, actually it does kind of 534 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:54,119 fit with this topic because they're having like pagan witch blessing ceremonies at the World 535 00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:58,960 Economic Forum, Like what I mean, I guess that's feminist. I guess 536 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,679 it does make sense anyway, So people that have issues, look, tonight 537 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,320 is not about talking about bitcoin. It's not about somebody's I'm want to come 538 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,400 on debate bitcoin. It's not about bitcoin, dude. It's about people that 539 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:15,760 have specific issues with things I've said or what you think that specifically I did 540 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:20,440 wrong in the last few days. I really, honestly don't feel like calling 541 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,639 out somebody who I think subversive and who reaches you know, thousands of people 542 00:49:24,679 --> 00:49:29,920 in the Orthodox sphere. I don't feel bad about that because I don't have 543 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:35,000 a personal issue with that person themselves, other than that they continue to do 544 00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:37,840 and operating in this way, and they personally have opposed what we do. 545 00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:43,079 So you're welcome to come on if you want to talk about those topics those 546 00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:46,599 subjects in a rational, reasonable way, and if you want to offer a 547 00:49:47,199 --> 00:49:52,199 constructive critique, I'm open to hearing it. But let's keep it to those 548 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,239 things for the right now. Maybe later on I'll open it up to like, 549 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,159 I don't know, like a feel questions. I know that another separate 550 00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:06,800 from all of this, apparently Redeemed Zoomer has gotten a sort of a meltdown 551 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,360 going where a lot of people are leaving his circles and converting to Orthodoxy, 552 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,840 which is good news, and he's really upset about that. So maybe later 553 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,400 on we can open it up about his issue, because I've got a lot 554 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,719 of messages the last few days, Hey, redeem Zoomer is melting down because 555 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,599 he's never been the same since the debate that you had with him. So 556 00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:25,840 if there's people who want to talk about that, I got a lot of 557 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:32,079 messages about that. We can open upbout that later. Steven Golay, what's 558 00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:44,400 up? It looks like he's having an issue with connection. Gotta unmute, 559 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:58,719 go ahead, Yeah you're there, Yes, sir, let's say I'm seventy 560 00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:04,639 five years old, as that puts me in the Zoomer category. But I, 561 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,639 first of all, you have a question about how others respawn to you 562 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:15,679 as my but I was Orthodox, My wife and I were Orthodox for a 563 00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:22,559 certain period of years. A certain something happened, which I'm not under professional 564 00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:30,760 obligation restriction to talk about, which we left, but we I myself first 565 00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:39,639 came back to Orthodox about eight months ago, okay, And and my coming 566 00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:45,679 back has a lot to do with listening to you at seventy four years old, 567 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:52,840 okay. So if I'm an exception for all the young guys, is 568 00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:58,519 that you are constantly accused of sort of pipe piping away from someplace or other, 569 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,960 and I'm an exception to that. I appreciate everything that you've done. 570 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:07,880 My question, though, concerns that, if I understand correctly, part of 571 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:14,559 it is called attack packed from you from the Orthodox perspective. Was, as 572 00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:21,599 you said, you raised certain issues about ancient faith radio where it began. 573 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:30,000 I'm someone familiar with ancient faked radio when they were concil your press. That 574 00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:39,159 aside, but I think if I understand correctly, that a second issue became 575 00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:49,760 and how the so called Ortho Brothers online Orthodoxy behaved or their presence during COVID, 576 00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:53,400 right, is that correct? That actually I forgot about that, but 577 00:52:53,519 --> 00:53:00,400 yes, that did become an issue where people were came and in person in 578 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:05,679 the parish that I'm with currently. Uh, that is tends to be a 579 00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:10,320 you have admirers there. I guess that's the proper word. But you know, 580 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:20,159 but that that's a bit of the conversation that that reluctance of or it's 581 00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:25,320 called the pedestrian word bad mouthing about about the Ortho Brothers have to do with 582 00:53:25,559 --> 00:53:32,320 how to behave during during COVID and pointing out that many of the High Arts 583 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:38,559 closed churches right and basically took Orthodoxy out of the three D world right. 584 00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:44,639 And it's in that and I I that battled me when I was looking about 585 00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:49,440 going back in the Orthodoxy, because that's that's really part of the attraction of 586 00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:53,559 Orthodoxy, that it stayed within the three D world. And closing the churches, 587 00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:02,599 isolating the sacraments from the from the people's quite disturbing to me. But 588 00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:09,559 but it's going to come around again as such things right. And since I 589 00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:21,519 listen to you also on that I'm Jones's channel, you know place h. 590 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,800 You know, with all the talk about disease X now in the last fourty 591 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:35,800 eight hours aerosol people, maybe what disease X is about, Well, the 592 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,960 High Arts are going to respond to that, right and and and in your 593 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:47,760 thinking your discussion, have the High Arts learned a lesson from COVID about how 594 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:55,679 to how to behave towards Orthodox people the second time around? Because I can 595 00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:00,159 see this being an issue, let's say, for I have six months from 596 00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:06,320 now. I don't know, that's a great question. Thank you for that, 597 00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:10,519 Steven. So for those that couldn't hear if you're listening on YouTube to 598 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:15,079 his audio, there was kind of a tough audio situation there. He basically 599 00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:21,440 said that when he came back to Orthodoxy, he noticed that a big part 600 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,199 of the issue and why a lot of people were angry. Now this is 601 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:29,440 post twenty seventeen eighteen drama, right, So yeah, actually forgot about the 602 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:34,880 twenty twenty drama. Right. So twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen era drama had 603 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,000 to do with ancient fighth radio. Then the drama piped back up in twenty 604 00:55:38,119 --> 00:55:45,400 twenty twenty one because throughout that period a lot of the Orthodox world capitulated and 605 00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:52,719 closed their churches and threatened, you know, to excommunicate people if they fought 606 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:58,960 against this, if they went they were threatened to remove defrock priests, if 607 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,000 they continue to reverence the icons, if they did the Eucharist the old way, 608 00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:07,119 because of supposedly there would be lawsuits in this kind of stuff. And 609 00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:13,800 so a lot of this happened in particularly areas of the OCA. That then 610 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,719 led a lot of people getting angry. And I of course always said that 611 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:21,679 I don't agree with this, It's not what I would you know, I 612 00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:25,760 don't think any of that's right. Other people were way more adamant in the 613 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:31,000 orthosphere than I was. Not talking about stabbys, but about what you're supposed 614 00:56:31,039 --> 00:56:35,679 to do in the churches, because in my personal situation it was never an 615 00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:37,599 issue, like I didn't have a problem where I mean, I found the 616 00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:42,639 parish where there was none of that, and that's where I spent most of 617 00:56:42,679 --> 00:56:49,679 that twenty twenty twenty two period during if I was able to go to church 618 00:56:50,119 --> 00:56:54,119 when I was near a parish, depending upon where I was at, it 619 00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:59,320 was at a parish that didn't know where that wasn't a problem. And even 620 00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,440 when I went to parish is where they tried to enforce that I didn't listen. 621 00:57:02,039 --> 00:57:07,840 I didn't obey that because there's limits to obedience. So I can't speak 622 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:14,400 to how every so called ortho bro handled the individual situations that they were in, 623 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:19,199 because there was a lot of people in the OCA that got really they 624 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,639 got angry with the OCA over those those things. And then I think what 625 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:28,840 upset people even more was that after all of this, none of the there 626 00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,840 didn't appear to be a whole lot of like walking it back on the part 627 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,960 of the hierarchy, there appeared to be then now we have to go after 628 00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:40,920 all the people that didn't go along with what we said during the COOF So 629 00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:45,440 basically they used it as a way to try to figure out who the problem 630 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,079 people were. And then, although I do think that you're right that there 631 00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:54,400 could be another disease x COOF type situation, really a lot of this had 632 00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:58,440 to do more so, I think with figuring out who the problem people would 633 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,119 be. As they pushed for the ecumenist reunion with Rome. Now that seems 634 00:58:02,159 --> 00:58:06,920 to be continually derailed, and I think that makes them really mad. But 635 00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:13,679 if the OCA continues to move towards wanting to align with the ecumenical patriarch at 636 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,840 Bartholomew, all of these big geopolitical things are really the main point, that's 637 00:58:19,239 --> 00:58:24,679 the main purpose for a lot of these things. There's other purposes as well. 638 00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:30,039 You could argue that maybe these kinds of so called medical emergencies are actually 639 00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:35,840 ways to attack and control the church and shut down the liturgy, and yeah, 640 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,519 I think that's all part of it too. And yeah, there's a 641 00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:44,239 lot of people that are they're still salty over the fact that all of the 642 00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:49,800 people opposed to that stuff have been proven right, including the stabvis. So 643 00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:55,960 rather than walk any of that back, I think everybody just doubled down and 644 00:58:57,159 --> 00:59:00,239 now it's like, let's just forget about it. You know, look it 645 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,719 was it was a tough time. Let's just put it behind us. Okay, 646 00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,239 let's do that. But you know, the people that are fully on 647 00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,519 board with the skittles, the women deacon s is, the COOF, They're 648 00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:16,280 all kind of have the same positions. They all flock together, right like 649 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,679 the people that are pro stabby, pro COOF. They tend to be the 650 00:59:20,679 --> 00:59:24,400 people in this in these domains that they want the women deaconesses and priests, 651 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:29,079 they want skittle stuff, they want to go back to Rome. They're a 652 00:59:29,159 --> 00:59:34,119 humanists. I mean, they all it's it's like the same stuff goes together. 653 00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,960 So as to what's coming down the pipe, I don't know, but 654 00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:44,000 I think you're right that the rhetoric out of the World Economic Forum appears to 655 00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:51,920 be the possibility of another thing like the COOF. And it's an election year 656 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,239 and that plays into it as well, and so they want to definitely derail 657 00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:59,719 again. I'm not saying that that makes Trump like the savior or anything like 658 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:04,199 that. There's a lot of problems with the policies and what Trump did the 659 01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,519 last time he was in for sure, but they have said that they really 660 01:00:09,159 --> 01:00:13,320 have to do whatever it takes to make sure. And I was listening to 661 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,679 an interview forget who it was, but somebody made the point that it's not 662 01:00:16,719 --> 01:00:24,679 that Trump himself is like the mastermind of opposition to the New World Order or 663 01:00:24,719 --> 01:00:34,880 whatever. It's that Trump represents a wave that could actually bring to the four 664 01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,039 a lot of people who could be significant future challenges. You see the point. 665 01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:43,639 So it's even it's not even so much about mistakes or Trump himself. 666 01:00:43,679 --> 01:00:49,039 It's like he's this rising sort of wave and then the people that ride that 667 01:00:49,079 --> 01:00:52,440 wave you can get out of this a ground swell that can be more and 668 01:00:52,559 --> 01:01:00,440 more significant opposition. Is the point. I mean, even to elon Twitter, 669 01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:04,000 all of this has been good, right, all of this stuff. 670 01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:09,280 Imagine if we had the outlets like we have now during twenty nineteen twenty twenty 671 01:01:09,519 --> 01:01:14,079 twenty twenty one, probably a lot of this stuff wouldn't be able to fly. 672 01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:20,199 But they had to do the Russia collusion stuff to shut down because that 673 01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,840 was the justification for all of the tech censorship and all the tech censorship was 674 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:28,639 all of the platforms, and that was on the basis of supposedly Russia collusion. 675 01:01:29,199 --> 01:01:30,920 So you see how Trump, even in that instance, was the symbol 676 01:01:31,039 --> 01:01:37,880 of the need for shutting down all the public discourse. So likewise, now 677 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:43,559 we're at a situation where X is back, there's more discussion, and it's 678 01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:47,840 going to be really difficult to foist all of that stuff on people when there 679 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:53,039 are if there's even one outlet like this one. So how that will play 680 01:01:53,039 --> 01:01:55,239 out, I don't know, but I'm not going to be like I've been 681 01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:59,519 saying. I think twenty twenty four is going to have all kinds of wild 682 01:01:59,559 --> 01:02:02,719 and crazy stuff coming down the pipe. But thank you for that question there, 683 01:02:02,719 --> 01:02:07,480 Stephen. I'm glad to hear that it's going good for you. Now 684 01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:12,920 we had a guy, Michael, you're in the chat. Do you want 685 01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,079 to you're a disagree or a person who had issues with me. I'm going 686 01:02:16,159 --> 01:02:19,639 to invite you to speak if you want to, you don't have to, 687 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,199 but if you want to come on and voice your critiques. I reached out 688 01:02:23,239 --> 01:02:29,480 to you because you said you specifically had issues, so you're welcome to come 689 01:02:29,519 --> 01:02:34,559 on. You can make whatever statements, critiques you want. You said you 690 01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:50,920 wanted to come on, so I sent you the link. I'm not going 691 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:52,360 to be mean to you, Michael. I'm ready to have the conversation. 692 01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:59,400 You said you wanted to have it. You said, I'm there. Where'd 693 01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:06,000 you go, dude? I just sent you the invite. Let me check 694 01:03:06,039 --> 01:03:15,679 my DMS because no, okay, maybe he popped back in. You might 695 01:03:15,719 --> 01:03:20,280 have to turn on your mic. Michael. Are you there? Hey? 696 01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:25,880 What's up doing? Hey? Jay? What's up man? Uh? Yeah, 697 01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:31,280 nice space? Listen. Sorry, I dipped out just now. I 698 01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:36,880 wanted to I wanted to talk just a little bit, you know about you 699 01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:40,960 know, what's been going on. Okay, I don't know the backstory with 700 01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:46,880 anything that's going on. Uh, it's not super I'm sure it's important, 701 01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:52,639 but it doesn't really concern me personally. But what I wanted to talk to 702 01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:59,599 you about is just kind of you know, I'm not in your position, 703 01:03:59,639 --> 01:04:03,000 obvious. I don't have such a large following, not even close. And 704 01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:09,480 I'm sure you have to deal with a lot of people being uncharitable towards you, 705 01:04:09,519 --> 01:04:14,400 and I'm sure it has an effect on you. But I think if 706 01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:19,960 we're going to as Orthodox Christians, right try to put ourselves out there. 707 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:27,880 We should try to be more charitable towards others who perhaps are ignorant of the 708 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:32,639 issue or just have come in with an experience and they end up thinking something 709 01:04:32,679 --> 01:04:38,159 differently. You know what I mean, right, But just specific instance that 710 01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:43,880 we're talking about is a situation where there is a long backstory and you're saying, 711 01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,559 well, I don't know that backstory, but but the reason for my 712 01:04:45,679 --> 01:04:49,880 actions is because of this person being a problem person. So you know, 713 01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:54,960 you had made a point to say that you're on team Fattius. You know 714 01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:59,960 I'm a bad guy, but why would why would I be bad for point 715 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,000 pinting out that that guy has no authority or uh, he's not in the 716 01:05:04,039 --> 01:05:10,039 position to do what he's trying to do. It's not so much that you 717 01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,000 did it. I don't really care if you did it. It's kind of 718 01:05:14,039 --> 01:05:16,519 the way you go about it. You know, it comes off as just 719 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:23,239 mean. So again, these are all like subjective things, like so it's 720 01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,960 now it's not that I did it. Now, it's it's the way you 721 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,920 did it. So what is it? What does that mean to say that 722 01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:34,000 it's mean? How exactly does it mean? Uh, well, how exactly 723 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:42,199 does it mean? I mean, it's the like the definition like look, 724 01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:47,880 you can you can go about things different ways, you know what I mean? 725 01:05:48,119 --> 01:05:53,599 And uh, if I were to let me just look at this tweet, 726 01:05:53,679 --> 01:05:55,920 let me pull it back up because I know it was a while ago. 727 01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:00,679 I don't remember it, but I don't know something about it. So 728 01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:06,800 the way that made you feel right, well, I mean to be an 729 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:12,960 objective thinker, I think based on feelings. Here are you joking? I 730 01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,639 don't know. I don't get it. You think based on feelings? You 731 01:06:15,719 --> 01:06:19,199 think based on feelings? Yeah, how I feel, how something makes me 732 01:06:19,199 --> 01:06:25,800 feel. I think that's totally valid. Not for not for a man. 733 01:06:26,039 --> 01:06:30,559 It's not. Oh come on, Jay, it's it's dead serious. Men 734 01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:35,639 do not think on feelings. I think many men think on feelings. Many 735 01:06:35,679 --> 01:06:43,599 men do, but they shouldn't. This isn't okay. Well, I mean, 736 01:06:43,639 --> 01:06:45,599 this was kind of the point I was trying to make earlier in the 737 01:06:45,679 --> 01:06:49,119 talk when I opened it up tonight, was you know, masculinity is about 738 01:06:49,159 --> 01:06:54,360 controlling your emotions, controlling your feelings. It doesn't mean mean men don't have 739 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:58,320 feelings, but it means that their dominant ethos and purpose. It's going to 740 01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,599 be guided by reason. It's going to be guided by objectivity, guided by 741 01:07:01,639 --> 01:07:05,599 logic. And that's why women who are guided largely by thinking in terms of 742 01:07:05,639 --> 01:07:10,199 emotion are not fit to be in the positions that men are usually in. 743 01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:17,079 That was the point. Okay, okay, I actually agree with that point, 744 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:23,519 but I don't think that I don't think that means that men can think 745 01:07:23,559 --> 01:07:28,000 on emotion. Emotion is very important, I agree, but it has to 746 01:07:28,039 --> 01:07:31,039 be controlled, and it has to be measured. It has to be channeled 747 01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:36,599 and used in the right way. And so for example, a guy you 748 01:07:36,639 --> 01:07:40,679 know, like if you took, like, I don't know, a boxing 749 01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:45,360 class, or if you took like a even a logic or debate class. 750 01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,519 Right Like, for example, if you took a college philosophy and debate, 751 01:07:48,559 --> 01:07:53,000 one thing you would learn is that you can't in a debate, even if 752 01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:56,320 you get heated, you can't let your emotions get the best of you. 753 01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:00,360 Right now, I'm not saying that I have always perfectly done that, because 754 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,519 it's really difficult to do that. Like if you have, say, I'm 755 01:08:03,519 --> 01:08:06,920 just using debate as an example, Like if you had twenty years of debate, 756 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,440 there's still going to be times where you get heated, where you kind 757 01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:15,880 of might even lose your temper, but you do learn over time to be 758 01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:20,680 able to train yourself to not let the whole debate get focused on your anger 759 01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:24,680 or your emotions or your passion. So the same thing like if you took 760 01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,880 a boxing class, right, they're going to be teaching you to control your 761 01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,319 anger, because maybe if you're boxing, you might just lose your control and 762 01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:32,720 just go wild and then you get knocked out by the guy. Right. 763 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:39,279 So it's just a classically masculine thing that men have to learn not to be 764 01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:44,439 totally unemotional, but to not react on the basis of emotions. Okay, 765 01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,079 but I know you just said you don't always adhere to that, But I 766 01:08:47,079 --> 01:08:51,840 guess what I've been seeing from you over the last couple of days has kind 767 01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:57,239 of been that way. It doesn't seem rational, you know. I've seen 768 01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:01,960 you go to pages with like fifty to one hundred followers and they make like 769 01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,720 a comment about you. They don't even at you. It could just be 770 01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:10,760 about this. Well, they speak in the threads, and I've always given 771 01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:15,439 people the opportunity to come chat right now if they appear to be completely irrational. 772 01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,319 I typically will block those people, but a lot of people expressed that 773 01:09:18,359 --> 01:09:21,479 they were angry or whatever. So like you, I'm saying, here, 774 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,119 you can have the chance to come chat and talk it out. Tell me 775 01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:28,159 exactly what you think I'm doing wrong, because I'd like to hear it. 776 01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,359 And what I've heard is, well, it made me feel bad, And 777 01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:32,880 then it's like, what's the way you did it? And it's all these 778 01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,560 things that aren't really anything substantial. So I'm not saying you don't have a 779 01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:42,199 point, but I just don't like I'm not hearing the thing that is really 780 01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:45,880 the bad thing. So it went from you talked about this person, but 781 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,640 I don't know the backstory. But now you're saying it's because I replied to 782 01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:51,239 somebody with a small following. It's like, but why is it you? 783 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:57,199 Well, it's a combination of these things. It doesn't have to be one 784 01:09:57,239 --> 01:10:00,840 thing, right, It just it makes it seem like there is a certain 785 01:10:01,159 --> 01:10:09,319 behavior that stems from like your personal sort of I don't know. I guess 786 01:10:09,359 --> 01:10:14,319 I would just say your personality where it seems like you've a mass this large 787 01:10:14,399 --> 01:10:19,600 following, but then you can't take the hits that come with having a large 788 01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:24,319 platform like that, you can go in. I can't take the hit dude, 789 01:10:24,319 --> 01:10:27,680 I've been taking the hits since before the following. So what do you 790 01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,119 mean, like you think I don't You think I don't get this every day? 791 01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:31,079 What are you talking about? No, this is what I'm saying. 792 01:10:31,079 --> 01:10:33,239 This is what I said in the beginning. I know you're not I know 793 01:10:33,319 --> 01:10:36,479 I'm not in the position. Many people aren't, and so you probably get 794 01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:41,680 a lot of shit. So so basically, what you're saying is like people 795 01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:45,319 should have the liberty to say whatever they want to but not have to deal 796 01:10:45,359 --> 01:10:49,000 with me replying to them or giving them the opportunity because then because then it's 797 01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,640 like, no, I want I want to be able with on anonymity to 798 01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:56,399 say whatever I want to about you, but not be held accountable to the 799 01:10:56,439 --> 01:11:01,680 things that I say. So that's kind of what it sounds like. Mhm, 800 01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:12,039 I guess that is what it is. Well, okay, bad Jay, 801 01:11:12,319 --> 01:11:17,840 you got me. Wow. Well, look, I'm not trying to 802 01:11:18,319 --> 01:11:21,399 make you mad or antagonize you. I'm just trying to I'm trying to have 803 01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:27,920 the rational discussion about what specifically the issue is. Sure, sure, I 804 01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:35,840 hear you on one thing though, One last thing is I don't know. 805 01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:42,000 This is just something I wanted to ask you about. Were you over the 806 01:11:42,039 --> 01:11:45,880 last couple of days. Were you because I saw a lot of people who, 807 01:11:46,159 --> 01:11:49,359 at least they've told me that they didn't interact with you or anything, 808 01:11:49,399 --> 01:11:54,600 They just perhaps liked a couple of tweets, And because they had liked those 809 01:11:54,640 --> 01:12:00,560 tweets, you went ahead and blocked them preemptively. Were you like policing likes 810 01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,960 of certain posts and like looking at what people have liked to block them. 811 01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:09,279 Well, I can't police people's likes, but I do block liberally. Yes, 812 01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:14,279 so, but but you were going into posts that were speaking ill about 813 01:12:14,359 --> 01:12:16,479 you and then went into them and blocked all of them. Yeah. Absolutely, 814 01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:23,439 I liberally block people. Absolutely, always have Okay, Okay, I'd 815 01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:28,840 probably do the same thing, all right, Thanks Jane. Yeah, I 816 01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:33,600 mean appreciate your comments, always open to hearing your critiques. I think that 817 01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:40,279 people you know, over time will find that one of my friends in the 818 01:12:40,359 --> 01:12:44,920 chat made the point that and I'm not talking about you, Michael, I'm 819 01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:46,720 talking about a lot of the people that I end up blocking or whatever. 820 01:12:47,039 --> 01:12:50,279 I mean, I've done this long enough that I can usually spot pretty good 821 01:12:50,319 --> 01:12:56,079 with gut instinct people that are not going to be rational in their discourse. 822 01:12:56,680 --> 01:13:00,239 So people that, for example, say like one day there was a there 823 01:13:00,279 --> 01:13:04,640 was a Catholic dude saying, oh, this guy was an in cell all 824 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:09,640 the way up until age forty and then he got married. No, it 825 01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,239 wasn't an insul, right, so and there was that kind of a person 826 01:13:12,319 --> 01:13:15,159 immediately blocked that guy, right like, not, I wasn't an in cell, 827 01:13:15,359 --> 01:13:18,479 I was, you know, going after women all the time. Totally 828 01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:21,239 not true. That's not what an in cell is, right, so, 829 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:27,640 way way way off. But that's not a rational person. That's somebody just 830 01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:33,159 completely repeating total nonsense. A lot of times it's trad cats that I know 831 01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:39,399 who they are. I've seen the same trad cat a hundred times. They're 832 01:13:39,399 --> 01:13:44,640 mad about XYZ. And I blocked these people because let me give another example. 833 01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:50,960 There was a woman that I blocked recently who had this. She sent 834 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:57,439 me this wall of text about how because I responded to a person who was 835 01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:00,760 supposedly fifteen, no idea who this nothing and his profile indicated what his age 836 01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:05,680 was. Some do just talking smack. Because I responded to the dude and 837 01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:10,920 asked him if you wanted to come have this conversation. I was very close 838 01:14:11,039 --> 01:14:15,680 to cyber bullying, and she knew a person who had unlive themselves because of 839 01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:17,760 cyber bullying, and that I was on the track of doing something. I'm 840 01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:24,399 like, what. First of all, Twitter is a million people sounding off 841 01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:30,000 all the time, and so every day there's people talking smack. First of 842 01:14:30,039 --> 01:14:32,680 all, So the idea that like I can't handle it when people are angry 843 01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:36,439 at me or whatever, Dude, I've been doing this for over ten years. 844 01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:40,960 Okay, there have been people calling me names for over ten years. 845 01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:45,720 In fact, the tradcats were sharing the screenshot of me making a joke from 846 01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,800 ten years ago the other day, right, still using ten year old stuff 847 01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:54,079 where I'm obviously joking and they're trying to make me into this like druggy or 848 01:14:54,079 --> 01:14:58,239 whatever because of a stupid, obvious joke comment from ten years ago on YouTube. 849 01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:00,079 So they like to recycle that kind of stuff. And so yeah, 850 01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:05,199 I'm absolutely going to block a person saying he's a forty year old in cell 851 01:15:06,039 --> 01:15:10,119 He like, why would I Why would I even waste my time with that 852 01:15:10,199 --> 01:15:13,159 kind of person. And another reason that I block people is that a lot 853 01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:16,520 of these people are subversive, and they will actually go through your fee, 854 01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:21,359 they'll go way back trying to find dirt or whatever. I'm gonna make it 855 01:15:21,399 --> 01:15:26,319 as hard as possible for that person to engage in that kind of activity, 856 01:15:26,399 --> 01:15:30,199 right trying to go back and find comments from ten years did he say, 857 01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:32,399 did he make a joke ten years ago? We could try to cancel him 858 01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,760 all that kind of because that's what these people do, so I'm not gonna 859 01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:40,439 make it easy for them to try to do that stuff. So anyway, 860 01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:44,239 Yeah, that's that's and my life is always a lot easier when I block 861 01:15:44,359 --> 01:15:48,880 these these lunatics. So those are the kinds of activities that immediately kind of 862 01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:55,600 keep me into why I would block somebody right away. And my experience, 863 01:15:55,600 --> 01:16:01,079 what happens is people that do want to come back and list like maybe they're 864 01:16:01,119 --> 01:16:05,159 new to orthodoxy. They think that I'm just causing problems or being mean to 865 01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:08,760 people, and then two three years later they realized, oh no, he 866 01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,439 was right about everything, Like he wasn't being mean. There's a bunch of 867 01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:16,399 idiots and goofuses in this world as well, and he was talking about all 868 01:16:16,399 --> 01:16:20,039 these people five six, seven years ago right, and then they say hey, 869 01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,960 Like we had multiple people today that reached out and said, hey, 870 01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,800 would you unblock me? Because turns out everything you said was right and I 871 01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:31,119 just thought you were being mean three four or five years ago. So this 872 01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:35,399 is a common occurrence. But that also lets me know that that's a person 873 01:16:35,399 --> 01:16:40,720 who really does want to be reconciled, because if they'll go to the trouble 874 01:16:41,279 --> 01:16:45,760 to reach out through a proxy to to talk it out, then I know 875 01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,720 they're probably really wanting to do it. So that's another reason why blocking works. 876 01:16:49,000 --> 01:17:11,199 Ellie got it on mute. Ellie, you gotta mute if you want 877 01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:17,079 to talk. Oh, hello, Hello, Oh. I have to speak 878 01:17:17,119 --> 01:17:24,319 English and not very good in speaking English because I'm from Germany. And what 879 01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:30,640 I want to say, I've forgotten it and you are not me And Jay, 880 01:17:30,119 --> 01:17:36,399 I know your work, and I know the work of Richard Grove and 881 01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:44,680 I watched it a long time, and I read all your books and racious 882 01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:51,359 books. But the people are dumbed down. What was his name, Gatto? 883 01:17:53,840 --> 01:18:00,199 He wrote a book dumping down John Taylor Gotto. Yeah, And I 884 01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:04,680 think we have we see now the results of that that a society is so 885 01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:14,000 dumbed down. You said an half hour ago that people are mean to you 886 01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:20,800 because you are talking with Rachel, you are talking with Alex Shoans, and 887 01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:29,720 this is a condittion condition condition cont I don't know the English world, and 888 01:18:30,399 --> 01:18:33,039 this is the result. We are seeing what Goto said in my opinion, 889 01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:36,439 But do you think about it? Well, I mean, so I was, 890 01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:44,239 so I'm not I don't really care that people are mad or whatever because 891 01:18:44,239 --> 01:18:46,479 I hear this every day and I've been hearing it for years. So none 892 01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:50,239 of this is going to alter my day to day operation or what I do 893 01:18:50,319 --> 01:18:55,600 on a daily basis. Every now and then, I'm happy to address it 894 01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,000 and open it up to people that want to converse about the topics or the 895 01:18:59,079 --> 01:19:04,640 issues or whatever their real issues are. But I'm not hurt that that guy 896 01:19:06,359 --> 01:19:10,279 you know, said what he said. You know, it doesn't bother me. 897 01:19:12,399 --> 01:19:15,800 Yeah, so I don't think it's not mean, Like I don't use 898 01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:19,279 this term people mean to me. I mean, this just sounds like things 899 01:19:19,279 --> 01:19:23,800 from the playground, like you're mean to me, and it's like, no, 900 01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,880 it's not being mean to you. So people don't understand there's actual subversive 901 01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,560 people and it's not mean to call them out when they've betrayed, when they've 902 01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:39,119 displayed open subversive activities for many years. And then so you'll notice the pattern 903 01:19:39,159 --> 01:19:41,399 too. It was that initially it was like, oh, you were bad 904 01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:44,359 for doing that, and then it turns out that what I said was correct, 905 01:19:44,359 --> 01:19:46,119 and it's like, oh, well, he's not that way anymore. 906 01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,960 But then it turns out he is still saying bad things and bad advice. 907 01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:54,439 Oh well, but it's the way you did it. But so at no 908 01:19:54,560 --> 01:20:00,159 point was it where I actually did something wrong. It's all this subject of 909 01:20:00,199 --> 01:20:03,920 interpretation of what constitutes meanness. Well, I just I'm just going to attribute 910 01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:08,840 to you motives that I don't know and say that your motives are bad, 911 01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:12,720 which I can't know, and that way nobody can prove or disprove it, 912 01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:16,119 and it just hangs out there that you're mean. But meanness just like other 913 01:20:16,359 --> 01:20:21,159 sort of leftist tactics. It's again, it's always the subjective thing about the 914 01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:27,560 way that the argument or the discussion made me feel. And I'm not I'm 915 01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,439 not saying that again that the point isn't that there's no such thing as feelings, 916 01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:33,479 and feelings have no but they don't have a place in this type of 917 01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:39,600 discourse or in this kind of an issue when it comes to public issues relating 918 01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:45,000 to truth, falsehood, deception, people being fraudulent, people being sort of 919 01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:49,479 a form of conment out there. Okay, it's not an issue of mean 920 01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:53,520 and how it makes me feel and this kind of stuff. I'm sorry, 921 01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:58,159 it's just not that's not what this is about. Let's see. Music, 922 01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:16,319 you gotta unmute if you want to talk. Thank you for those comments. 923 01:21:16,399 --> 01:21:20,119 By the way, your German, your English was good from German. I 924 01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:26,840 understood everything. Accept that last word. Go ahead, music, you unmuted. 925 01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:30,840 Thank you guys for the super chats too, by the way, I 926 01:21:30,039 --> 01:21:38,520 will get to those here in a minute. So music, do you did 927 01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:45,680 you want to talk? You're you unmuted and then you muted. All right, 928 01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:53,960 we'll move on to the next person. Who can I be mean to? 929 01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,760 I just sit around thinking about who can I be mean? Because I 930 01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:03,199 don't get fulfillment in the day unless i'm mean to a person. And let's 931 01:22:03,199 --> 01:22:09,079 see, so we got to do with a free Mason symbol who wants to 932 01:22:09,119 --> 01:22:13,560 talk? I can't imagine that the free Mason symbol guy is going to be 933 01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:18,039 relevant I'm not knocking you, but like it's a topic about like discourse and 934 01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:41,960 who's mean and who's not Jamerican? What's up? You gotta ummute? All 935 01:22:42,039 --> 01:22:49,800 right, We'll move on to the next person. So Novus arcis, what's 936 01:22:49,880 --> 01:23:01,079 up, dude? Go ahead and Novus Yeah. One thing I did see 937 01:23:01,399 --> 01:23:05,680 around criticism is that there were a couple of people said whenever they mentioned the 938 01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:11,880 Western Orthodox Right, that you block them. I'm not sure that's real, 939 01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:14,560 but I did see that a couple of times. Can you speak to them? 940 01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,319 No, I don't ever recall blocking people just because of the Western Right, 941 01:23:17,399 --> 01:23:24,199 but there does appear there has appeared these groups of weirdos in the last 942 01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:30,079 few months, particularly who have deemed themselves to be Orthodox Twitter theologians who believe 943 01:23:30,079 --> 01:23:36,199 that penal substitutionary atonement the way that Protestants speak of it is the Orthodox doctrine. 944 01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:43,399 And so primarily it was Father Degan Aias that had a series of Twitter 945 01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:47,680 disputes and spats in debates with those people. But although to me it's an 946 01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:53,199 indicator that there might be problems, I don't think that there's any inherent problem 947 01:23:53,279 --> 01:23:57,600 with the Western Right itself, but it does attract a lot of people who 948 01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:02,520 think that it's their job to in some way say, for example, everything 949 01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:10,159 that Augustine says is the Orthodox position. When Augustine says unbaptized infants are damned, 950 01:24:10,159 --> 01:24:13,199 that's the Orthodox position, and it's not. And these people don't know 951 01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:15,560 what they're talking about. The same people don't have any blessing to be on 952 01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:19,560 there talking about and teaching all this stuff. And no, I stand by 953 01:24:21,239 --> 01:24:27,079 that's a red flag. But I don't just block people because it says Western 954 01:24:27,159 --> 01:24:30,680 Right. In fact, one of my good friends and the priest that I 955 01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:34,760 have at his parish, is also a friend their Western Right. So Western 956 01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:39,600 Right ro corp is usually pretty good. I just think the danger with Western 957 01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:44,359 Right is that, particularly under other jurisdictions, at times, they can be 958 01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:47,079 very acumenist, and so they think that they have good motivations, but I 959 01:24:47,079 --> 01:24:51,159 think the motivations, while well intentioned, are wrong. They'll try to bring 960 01:24:51,199 --> 01:24:57,960 in sacred heart devotion and all this post Tridentine Roman Catholic stuff which is not 961 01:24:58,039 --> 01:25:09,319 appropriate for Orthodoxy. So I stand by that for sure. No visor either. 962 01:25:11,039 --> 01:25:14,239 Oh yeah, that's just what I was looking for that response, because 963 01:25:14,319 --> 01:25:17,680 I did see that out there and they said western righty just blocks it. 964 01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,399 But doesn't sound like that's the case. It sounds like they're other issue. 965 01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:26,399 No, it's because there's a specific group of people that push the same stuff 966 01:25:26,399 --> 01:25:28,880 and they're all in the same circles. And so if I see that they're 967 01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:34,039 in that group that hive, no, I immediately block those people because they're 968 01:25:34,199 --> 01:25:39,640 again multiple year problem people. So I guess it's nothing to do with Oh 969 01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:42,920 I just want to randomly be mune to somebody today, Oh this dude. 970 01:25:43,239 --> 01:25:47,119 No, it's these people are again like seven year problem people, and their 971 01:25:47,199 --> 01:25:51,159 refuge is Twitter. And then you can tell by the way that when they 972 01:25:51,159 --> 01:25:57,600 get on Twitter and their stuff is against me, they're all united with all 973 01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:01,159 the Roman Catholic but hurt people. So it's a big red flag. Hick. 974 01:26:01,279 --> 01:26:14,239 What's up? Hick? Got an unmute dude? Hey Jay? Have 975 01:26:14,399 --> 01:26:17,760 you Friday? Yes, sir, what's going on? A few things I 976 01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:23,560 wanted to say Lovin when Jamie comes on with you on the Friday fourth hour 977 01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:30,239 and first person you brought up. You know a lot of times these these 978 01:26:30,359 --> 01:26:33,800 rooms they you know, spiral down into some kind of COVID room. But 979 01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:43,760 I wanted to make two comments on COVID that we forget that the World Military 980 01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:48,279 Games were happening in Wuhan in late twenty nineteen, and and the rollout of 981 01:26:48,319 --> 01:26:53,920 five G in Wuhan, and not a whole lot of people talk about that. 982 01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:57,840 That wasn't my question, but I just wanted to make those comments. 983 01:27:00,319 --> 01:27:03,119 I was curious because I mean, I love how much material you cover. 984 01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:10,319 You know, I was watching The Dream by David Ike, and he's kind 985 01:27:10,319 --> 01:27:14,880 of like A He's like a trailblazer in some ways. You know, it's 986 01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:19,880 like you, Alex. I mean countless names that are are kind of shifting 987 01:27:20,039 --> 01:27:26,760 the I don't know the paradigm or you know, people's flexibility. You know, 988 01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:30,359 it's like you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Well maybe maybe 989 01:27:30,399 --> 01:27:35,000 you can by you know, shifting the paradigm and A. I was wondering 990 01:27:35,039 --> 01:27:45,680 if you had watched his his newest documentary, The Dream. I have thought 991 01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:51,239 of it. I could post it if you want, and then you know, 992 01:27:51,279 --> 01:27:58,520 it'd be it'd be awesome if you could cover. Okay, I'm not 993 01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:01,479 trying to be rude, so tonight's rush is not that topic. I will 994 01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:04,319 check out the documentary that they're saying. So I'm not gonna be rude to 995 01:28:04,359 --> 01:28:08,840 you, appreciate your comments. I will have to look at that though. 996 01:28:09,319 --> 01:28:14,000 Uh. You know, I think that I've never interacted with David Ike over 997 01:28:14,039 --> 01:28:16,520 the years. Back in like twenty twelve, thirteen fourteen, he used to 998 01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:20,640 post a lot of my essays and articles. There's a lot of sort of 999 01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:26,880 gnostic ideas and sort of Buddhist ideas that I would disagree with. But I 1000 01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:30,000 don't know David Ike. Haven't interacted with him. But back in the day 1001 01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:35,600 he did used to share my articles. John Crash, what's up? Got 1002 01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:41,680 a unmute? So we did get a fat super chat from Majory and thank 1003 01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:45,920 you for that. I will look into this right here, go ahead, 1004 01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:49,000 what's up? John? Yeah, yeah, you're doing bro. Hey, 1005 01:28:49,119 --> 01:28:55,239 I have I have really been following a lot of YouTube for a while now. 1006 01:28:55,960 --> 01:29:01,640 I actually found out about info Wars through you, and I've been on 1007 01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:11,520 the right unfortunately, you know, weaken up. Oh well, that's great 1008 01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:16,000 to hear, man. I appreciate those comments. Yeah, but tonight we're 1009 01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,000 trying to I'm not trying to be really like to the topic is people who 1010 01:29:19,039 --> 01:29:24,399 take issue with me or or stuff I've said or whatever, we did get 1011 01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:26,640 to be fat super chat. So let me talk about that real quick, 1012 01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:30,880 and Majorian says, hey, what do you think about the CNP and the 1013 01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:35,199 World Future Society? Now, I do think the CNP was this world Anti 1014 01:29:35,199 --> 01:29:45,800 Communist League iran contra connected sort of right wing foil to the CFR right, 1015 01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:49,000 so that that was the purpose of the creation of the CNP. I know 1016 01:29:49,039 --> 01:29:53,720 that it's played a lot of a role in the background for neocon stuff. 1017 01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:57,279 A lot of people who talk about the CNP, though, they always want 1018 01:29:57,319 --> 01:30:00,600 to make it like the real thing that's running everything in the back and like, 1019 01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:02,399 oh, it's not the CFR, it's not the Charlateral Commission. It's 1020 01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:05,720 not that they want to turn it into a left right thing in terms of 1021 01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:10,279 globalism. But I mean the idea and a lot of those people, I'm 1022 01:30:10,319 --> 01:30:12,920 not saying this is about you, Majority, but a lot of those people 1023 01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:17,760 say, oh, it's really the right wing Christian theocracy that's running America. 1024 01:30:18,079 --> 01:30:21,600 Really, I mean, that's just it's ludicrous to me. The idea that 1025 01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:29,479 the real power structure is a right wing theocracy. That just seems absolutely insane 1026 01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:33,479 to me. But all the people who are always fussing about the CNP and 1027 01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:38,520 how oh you dire doesn't cover the CNP. I mean, I don't think 1028 01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:42,960 that it's that powerful of an entity today. It's not like we're actually being 1029 01:30:43,039 --> 01:30:48,399 run by evangelical theocrats. I do think that the CNP was set up and 1030 01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:55,119 was intended to be this sort of right wing foil to CFR, and that 1031 01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:58,279 if I recall, you know, like all over North and people like that 1032 01:30:58,359 --> 01:31:01,880 had connections to it. I think CNP, like if you read the Collins 1033 01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:05,920 Brothers book that we've been talking about, they later talk about a lot of 1034 01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:11,920 the CNP connections to only North and that kind of stuff. But you see, 1035 01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:15,039 you said, let's look at the World Futurist Society, and I'm on 1036 01:31:15,079 --> 01:31:23,000 their website. Let's see, can we get like a our approach, educate 1037 01:31:23,039 --> 01:31:30,399 and bring together many people throughout the world to give a new system for civilization 1038 01:31:30,319 --> 01:31:35,800 and well being. Engage as many visionaries as possible. Your journey begins here. 1039 01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:41,560 Synthesize intelligence for the CIV type one forum. So like a type one 1040 01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:46,199 civilization is what they're claiming to push for. This sort of futuristic like tech 1041 01:31:46,279 --> 01:31:57,800 tech utopia type of thing. I'm guessing they're talking about the kof Here's a 1042 01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:03,479 bunch of hip, cool gen xers that are fans of it, millennials. 1043 01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:11,840 Who the heck even are these people? Literally a bunch of people have never 1044 01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:16,600 heard of Uh, let's see do they have. So there's not a whole 1045 01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:20,880 lot on this website. Let's see if we can find established in nineteen sixty 1046 01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:29,920 seven. Let's look at their Wikipedia just for an overview. Futurist magazine. 1047 01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:34,600 So there's this like a are they connected to transhumanism? Futurist Magazine nineteen sixty 1048 01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:40,399 seven, Ever Commish Cornish ninety sixty seven to twenty fifteen, Byte monthly mag 1049 01:32:45,279 --> 01:32:51,159 Learning to talk like a futurist Futurist magazine. Okay, so yeah, this 1050 01:32:51,199 --> 01:32:55,840 just looks like some kind of a like a pushing Okay, let's say prominent 1051 01:32:55,880 --> 01:33:00,199 members Carl Sagan, Ray Kurtzweil, Neil de Grasse Tyson. So this is 1052 01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:06,199 like normy scientism man pushing transhumanism as what it looks like. So that's the 1053 01:33:06,239 --> 01:33:11,560 World Future Society. Now are you saying they have a connection to the CNP 1054 01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:17,479 or you just wanted me to talk about both of those? So Council for 1055 01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:24,479 National Policy. Let's see what they're up to CNP. This is supposed to 1056 01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:30,159 be the big conservative, normy think tank. It's Mike Pence, a bunch 1057 01:33:30,199 --> 01:33:35,600 of the people you would expect normy tier rhino type stuff. I guess I 1058 01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:44,720 mean CNP action. Who's involved in this? Charlie Kirk's on there, Philis 1059 01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:49,119 Schlafley who passed away in twenty sixteen. I mean again, I just don't 1060 01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:55,600 see, like, yeah, these are kind of like normy conservatives, But 1061 01:33:56,560 --> 01:34:00,159 is that who's really running the world? That is that the theory here? 1062 01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:05,600 Thank you for the super chat, but I just don't see that. I 1063 01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:13,399 mean, the CFR and Trilateral Commission, they seem to be calling way more 1064 01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:18,760 shots than these people in my view. So I mean Brazinski Kissinger, right, 1065 01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:26,359 I mean, these are staples of both conservatives and excuse me, neoconn 1066 01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:31,720 and liberal governments. I just don't see Philip Schlaffley as really the danger to 1067 01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:36,159 America. It just doesn't make any sense to me. And I mean she's 1068 01:34:36,199 --> 01:34:49,399 dead anyway. So Joe, Lily, what's up? Joe? You gotta 1069 01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:55,560 mute when you get on. Ellie sends five dollars, says hi, friends, 1070 01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:59,000 Hi, Ellie. Ellie sens another five dollars. Thank you so much, 1071 01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:03,039 Ellie. Appreciate that. I'm a assuming that's the German Ellie that chimed 1072 01:35:03,039 --> 01:35:08,319 in earlier with her comments. Appreciate that. Ellie says again for five dollars 1073 01:35:08,319 --> 01:35:14,079 that she believes that a lot of the issues today with low level discourse has 1074 01:35:14,119 --> 01:35:16,960 to do with people being dumbed down. And yeah, a lot of their 1075 01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:21,279 responses are based on emotions and feeling, not actually based on any of the 1076 01:35:21,319 --> 01:35:26,760 issues. And so, for example, warning people about a person you know, 1077 01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:32,319 proclaiming to be a life coade, she's going to give people orthodox spiritual 1078 01:35:32,359 --> 01:35:39,760 advice and all this stuff who themselves seems to be really problematic and struggling with 1079 01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:43,640 issues, it just doesn't make any sense. And so if I dare to 1080 01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:46,199 reply to the people who you know, for years have talked about how bad 1081 01:35:46,239 --> 01:35:48,960 I am, look how bad he is. Look, Look he dares to 1082 01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:56,399 reply to the people that are out there grifting people. So wet that person 1083 01:35:56,479 --> 01:36:15,359 dropped off zargones, what's up? Go ahead, you gotta unmute. Hello, 1084 01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:23,159 what's up? Hey? I was wondering, since he studied psychological warfare, 1085 01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:30,920 do you think the National Socialist movement on Twitter. I'm not that, 1086 01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:34,239 by the way, but I'm just asking if you think all this anti Jew 1087 01:36:34,359 --> 01:36:43,079 stuff on Twitter is going to reach a censorship wall eventually. With Internet service 1088 01:36:43,159 --> 01:36:46,560 providers like AT and T comcasts, do you think they will eventually put us 1089 01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:54,520 stop to the the anti Jew hate that is rising. It's very possible. 1090 01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:59,840 I mean, we've been warned I think by people like AJ for a long 1091 01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:08,880 time that internet providers might be the next angle by which censorship occurs, right, 1092 01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:13,079 So maybe seizing domains that kind of stuff, So it's very possible. 1093 01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:18,239 I interviewed Rogerstone today in fact on what he expects in twenty twenty four. 1094 01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:25,359 He said, they might try to do you know, our acee based riots, 1095 01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,239 you know, that kind of stuff. Might they might roll that out. 1096 01:37:28,279 --> 01:37:30,880 There might be another sort of coof So any of those things could also 1097 01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:35,600 provide the pretext for clamping down on free speech. Right, so you could 1098 01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:42,319 have people, you know, engaged in rioting and those kinds of activities and 1099 01:37:42,359 --> 01:37:45,119 then oh, there's a national crisis, We're gonna have to lock down everything. 1100 01:37:45,159 --> 01:37:50,840 I mean, hopefully Elon will be committed to maintaining the openness of free 1101 01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:56,520 speech, but there might be situations where there's going to be some excuse on 1102 01:37:56,560 --> 01:38:00,439 the basis of, look at all the Twitter hate we got, we got 1103 01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:02,800 to lock it down. I wouldn't be surprised if something like that. Now 1104 01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:08,800 Harry Ludwig is calling in. I appreciate Harry. He's a longtime listener. 1105 01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:15,800 Harry. Have I been too mean to you? Harry? All right? 1106 01:38:15,319 --> 01:38:28,840 Hey, what's up? Uh? Just coincidentally going on Tarragon's comments. Uh, 1107 01:38:29,399 --> 01:38:34,640 just not not a disagreement necessarily, but just wondering why you don't cover 1108 01:38:35,319 --> 01:38:43,359 bagel related issues, and say, e, Michael Jones, the Revolutionary Spirit 1109 01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:47,640 is really up your alley, you'd think, and have you ever covered it? 1110 01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:54,399 And his new book, The Holocaust Narrative is excellent. I just went 1111 01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:58,760 through it. Right. Well, so when I'm on YouTube, I cover 1112 01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:02,680 things that are YouTube friendly, right, So if I'm on another platform where 1113 01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:09,960 those things are allowable, then people make those topics usually available. I just 1114 01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:15,520 did a really in depth breakdown of jeff Stein mcguffrey. I've been talking about 1115 01:39:16,319 --> 01:39:21,560 Whitney Webb's book for the last two or three weeks NonStop since all the jeff 1116 01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:27,239 Stein mceffrey stuff. So really, you know, not everything can be talked 1117 01:39:27,239 --> 01:39:30,199 about on every platform, and you know it's been that way for a long 1118 01:39:30,239 --> 01:39:35,319 time, right, So if you go though to for example, Rock finn 1119 01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:41,920 I did a whole history of the Israel Palestine conflict that did all breakdown of 1120 01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:49,039 that. I don't have any personal interactions or anything problematic with E. E. 1121 01:39:49,119 --> 01:39:55,079 Michael Jones. I did offered him a debate many years ago because I 1122 01:39:55,239 --> 01:40:00,039 felt that a lot of his theological positions were wrong. He declined, I 1123 01:40:00,119 --> 01:40:06,960 think about three of those offers. I feel like the more fundamental issues theologically 1124 01:40:08,079 --> 01:40:12,880 would be the things I'd want to disagree and debate with, for example, 1125 01:40:13,279 --> 01:40:17,359 other Catholic writers. This last week, we're making quite a fuss about his 1126 01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:24,720 defense of the Vatican Two documents, his defense of what's going on with the 1127 01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:30,960 Skittles blessings. So I think those things are valid critiques of what he talks 1128 01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:34,800 about. And I think a lot of people become one issue people, right 1129 01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:39,640 like that's the only issue they're interested in covering. I've never been a one 1130 01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:45,039 issue person, So you know, if people want to make it one issue, 1131 01:40:45,399 --> 01:40:49,159 Harry, I know that if I recall you're a Calvinist, you don't 1132 01:40:49,239 --> 01:40:56,319 like the theological stuff that I cover. Well, but for me, that's 1133 01:40:56,520 --> 01:41:01,560 where I start my paradigmatic approach. So for example, if I'm going to 1134 01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:09,560 be interacting with a Roman Catholic, that it's going to start with the theological 1135 01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:13,319 disagreements. It's not going to be a question of well, but he wrote 1136 01:41:13,319 --> 01:41:17,079 this book that's super based on blah blah blah. Right. So because a 1137 01:41:17,079 --> 01:41:19,840 lot of people, for example, that are looking into Orthodoxy right now, 1138 01:41:20,399 --> 01:41:26,880 like there there's a lot of trad cats that are that have a distaste for 1139 01:41:27,199 --> 01:41:30,520 Rome and Francis, and so what's happening is they're thinking, oh, I 1140 01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:36,439 want to find based trad church. Now, inherently that's not the problem with 1141 01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:42,159 I mean, everybody should want to have the correct, true theological position, 1142 01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:45,159 right. But the problem is that people are thinking, I'm just going to 1143 01:41:45,239 --> 01:41:53,520 transfer my base trad political Catholicism over into Orthodoxy. That will now be my 1144 01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:58,640 new base trad political movement. And the problem is that it's different in Orthodoxy, 1145 01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:01,640 like it's a whole other approach. Like you you don't it's not a 1146 01:42:02,199 --> 01:42:06,079 it's not politics first, it's theology first. So it's the other way around. 1147 01:42:06,399 --> 01:42:11,199 So a lot of people who are into into a lot of the comment 1148 01:42:11,319 --> 01:42:15,039 public comment sphere about politics and that kind of stuff. They're like, why 1149 01:42:15,079 --> 01:42:18,840 do you always talk about the theology stuff? You won't talk about the moral 1150 01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:24,960 social issues? Well, because I think the moral social issues are downstream from 1151 01:42:25,039 --> 01:42:30,680 the theological issues. And most people think that culture is first and everything else 1152 01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:34,800 is downstream. Right, And people should be you know, perceptive enough by 1153 01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:40,720 now to figure out that certain platforms allow certain topics and others don't. So 1154 01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:46,279 everybody in some degree engages in abiding by the tos because if you don't, 1155 01:42:46,399 --> 01:42:50,960 you basically lose all your platforms. So what's what's the point of losing all 1156 01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:56,159 the platforms? I don't understand it, Kaiser, what's up? So today's 1157 01:42:56,159 --> 01:43:00,600 topic, though, is not the honest question. Today's time topic is not 1158 01:43:00,039 --> 01:43:03,560 it's it's the it's the issues related to the drama the past three days. 1159 01:43:08,319 --> 01:43:12,960 So can you hear you? All right? Yep? It turked you before. 1160 01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:16,119 I actually had an idea something that's kind of turned into a little bit 1161 01:43:16,119 --> 01:43:20,239 of a group joke. Are you familiar with the fashion police by chance? 1162 01:43:21,119 --> 01:43:25,359 No? So this is this is a real thing. And this is what 1163 01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:29,479 I always tell people when they talk about these interglobal these mobile conspiracies, and 1164 01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:30,479 they go, oh, this can't be so, this can't be so this 1165 01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:32,840 campus session, well you got to think, like if those people aren't playing 1166 01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:35,479 Europe. There's a lot of changes that happened, but the big ones was 1167 01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:38,439 they said, hey, you don't have to pay me, and taxes are 1168 01:43:38,479 --> 01:43:44,199 no longer from your basic your props button gold and paid in cash. And 1169 01:43:44,319 --> 01:43:46,720 at that time you certainly had peasants who were making money and they had nice 1170 01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:50,479 clothes, and what was basically happening was these these nobles were looking down but 1171 01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:55,239 wait a minute, do that look much better than these peasants. And what 1172 01:43:55,359 --> 01:43:57,960 they started doing is that it's called the fashion police, where they go up 1173 01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:00,319 to peasants and take their clothes away if they you're too rich for what the 1174 01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:04,319 noble or whatever, the noble person's leaving. And I think you see that 1175 01:44:04,399 --> 01:44:08,119 today right where that is what this is where it's like it's like I don't 1176 01:44:08,119 --> 01:44:12,560 really care that you have an electric car. What I care about is I'm 1177 01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:16,119 the one that's allowed to have the range Rover. Thank you, you know, 1178 01:44:16,239 --> 01:44:18,800 like you're not allowed to have that stuff. This is this is against 1179 01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:21,960 the passion. Please someone stop him, you know, like he's flying around 1180 01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:25,479 on a plane. You know, you hear about this all the time. 1181 01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:28,359 Commercial planes need to be shut down, but oh you're private. Just that's 1182 01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:31,439 different. It's different, okay, but that commercial plane though, that's a 1183 01:44:31,439 --> 01:44:35,399 bit too much. So you're talking about are you talking about like the austerity 1184 01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:40,760 global economic world? Igomic forums designs to like shut everything down and you don't 1185 01:44:40,760 --> 01:44:45,560 need you don't need a wood burning stove, and you don't need a gasoline 1186 01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:46,720 engine. Is that what you're talking about, like that kind of stuff? 1187 01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:49,880 Yeah, okay, Well, I mean to say it's basically that life has 1188 01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:54,479 gotten good enough in some ways. Obviously it's bad Nowthers. I'm not trying 1189 01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:58,600 to say that everything's perfect, but that the average person's day is better frankly 1190 01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:00,720 than a king did in mable Europe. You know, if I took a 1191 01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:04,520 if I took my ancestors Asierla and took in my house like this is insane, 1192 01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:08,399 he would be as shocked. Yeah, I mean I think that's an 1193 01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:12,119 element of it, and that yeah, that that emergen these people who are 1194 01:45:12,159 --> 01:45:16,720 obsessed with luxury. Yeah, I think that the most these people that are 1195 01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:21,920 upsessed with luxury. Well there's a delay, go ahead, I said. 1196 01:45:23,079 --> 01:45:26,439 These people who are upsessed with luxury have the fashion police and the new fashion 1197 01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:30,800 place. Of course, is this modern austerity movement to get these peasants off 1198 01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:34,359 the internet. Yeah, you'll own nothing, you'll have nothing exactly. Uh 1199 01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:39,000 you know what you eata Alcin says shout out to Tristan in the chat because 1200 01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:43,840 he hit me to eat a Alkin and her circular economy lecture from years ago 1201 01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:46,560 at the Ted Talk where you know, she's one of these WF sponsored people 1202 01:45:47,399 --> 01:45:50,079 about how oh you don't need to own anything. Is rent everything, right? 1203 01:45:50,119 --> 01:45:53,960 You just so you just rent people's whitey tidies in the neighborhood. You 1204 01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:56,840 won't have your own underwear. You could just wear your neighbor's underwear when he's 1205 01:45:56,880 --> 01:46:00,520 done with it, right, And you know, to be fair, Tristan 1206 01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:03,560 has sent me some of his some of his ladies wear some of his underwear, 1207 01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:08,159 some of his boxers. They do fit very nicely. I do have 1208 01:46:08,239 --> 01:46:14,800 to admit that it is tempting to go with the circular economy shared whitey tities 1209 01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:20,359 model, given that I've worn a lot of Tristan's undies. It is tempting. 1210 01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:25,079 However, I still like having my own whitey tities. I like my 1211 01:46:25,159 --> 01:46:29,920 under RUS. I don't want the clause issued under RUS. And that's just 1212 01:46:30,199 --> 01:46:32,560 what it amounts to, even though it's very tempting. So yes, look 1213 01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:35,680 up the circular economy. I think, ultimately to be serious, that the 1214 01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:40,439 motivations for why they want this stuff is hatred. I mean, it's it's 1215 01:46:40,479 --> 01:46:45,319 a demonic hatred of humanity. That's the real motivations behind the WEF and all 1216 01:46:45,359 --> 01:46:47,720 that. Maybe I should transition over into that. And it's enough of this 1217 01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:53,720 Twitter drama stuff. Nobody really cares about it anyway. I mean, look 1218 01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:57,319 all the Twitter drama, Like people care about this stuff for like one or 1219 01:46:57,359 --> 01:47:00,479 two days, right, and then people forget about it week later. Does 1220 01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:04,760 everybody remember cate Gate? Remember calendar Gate? And then boob Gate, cap 1221 01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:09,880 boob Girl or whateverybody's I forgotten about this? So in two weeks, nobody's 1222 01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:15,399 gonna remember the Twitter drama. But I do at some instances like to pause 1223 01:47:15,439 --> 01:47:18,640 and comment on it and talk about what's going on and why is there all 1224 01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:24,479 this? Why is everybody hating on you? Whatever? Oh bro, you 1225 01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:28,560 can't take it your feelings are hurt. Look if I was gonna retire from 1226 01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:31,000 internet because of mean comments, or would I retired a long time ago? 1227 01:47:31,720 --> 01:47:40,239 Okay, not not retiring from interneting because of quote mean comments. Let's see 1228 01:47:42,279 --> 01:47:48,319 Nickelai. What's a nickela DC woodworking? Since three dollars shout out to DC 1229 01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:57,920 would working appreciate that? Super chat? As we go ahead? You gotta 1230 01:47:58,079 --> 01:48:00,319 yeah, it's okay? All right? Cool? Yeah, So I just 1231 01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:04,199 I just had two thoughts and then one thing that I wanted to get your 1232 01:48:04,239 --> 01:48:08,279 perspective on real quick. So for the Twitter drama stuff, I think it's 1233 01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:13,640 mostly a nothing burger, right. I think people can have valid feelings about 1234 01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:18,000 something but not understand the underling context right, kind of like you went into 1235 01:48:18,039 --> 01:48:23,479 detail earlier. But I think the main thing is actually something that was brought 1236 01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:26,439 up earlier by another speaker, is that I think people are just kind of 1237 01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:30,560 softer nowadays. Yeah. I think they can't handle jibbing and jabbing like they 1238 01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:32,920 used to. Like I grew up with my father just like just roasting the 1239 01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:36,800 hardcore and now like if my dad did that to half the people in the 1240 01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:42,199 street nowadays, they would go home crying. Right, Yes, let me 1241 01:48:42,239 --> 01:48:47,520 give you an example of this to where so so Eric Obara. We've made 1242 01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:51,560 jokes about Eric Obara for years and he's still bought heard about it. He 1243 01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:57,720 was still tweeting about it yesterday or today, right, complaining that people quote 1244 01:48:57,760 --> 01:49:03,159 make internet internet cartoon strips about him. When I first interacted with Tim Gordon 1245 01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:09,960 in twenty twenty, I made a video making fun of him, right, 1246 01:49:10,119 --> 01:49:14,000 so we had a Twitter spat. He sent me a bunch of fart memes, 1247 01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:17,399 which was kind of funny, and then I made a video making fun 1248 01:49:17,439 --> 01:49:23,359 of him, calling him the creed dude. Tim's response was not to cry 1249 01:49:23,399 --> 01:49:29,640 about it, not to make twenty four hour live streams refuting me. Tim's 1250 01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:31,520 response was to laugh about it and reach out and say he thought it was 1251 01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:35,640 funny. Okay. Then and Tim and I got to be buddies because and 1252 01:49:35,680 --> 01:49:41,239 then I met Tim in person and had a few I didn't have a beer, 1253 01:49:41,239 --> 01:49:43,800 but Tim was drinking a few beers and we had a good chat hanging 1254 01:49:43,840 --> 01:49:47,079 out over at Elliott Holst's house. Tim is just a normal, average like 1255 01:49:47,239 --> 01:49:53,159 regular dude, and regular dudes make jokes about each other, Like I just 1256 01:49:53,199 --> 01:49:57,199 made a joke about Tristan Tristan knows that I love his stuff. I owe 1257 01:49:57,239 --> 01:50:01,000 him my life because he introduced me to the diet that saved my guts literally, 1258 01:50:01,479 --> 01:50:04,279 So I love that dude. Uh. And he knows that if I 1259 01:50:04,359 --> 01:50:09,239 joke about underwear, it's absurd. Obviously I'm not wearing Tristan's underwear. I 1260 01:50:09,319 --> 01:50:13,720 do wear his sports bras. That's different. It's not underwear, it's sports 1261 01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:16,720 attire, okay. So and he knows that he knows that it's a compliment. 1262 01:50:17,279 --> 01:50:21,479 Dudes take it as a compliment when dudes joke about each other's stuff, 1263 01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:27,680 right about their their their life, their family, their you know, it's 1264 01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:30,920 funny. It's it's actually fun. Everybody loves the banter that the the Tristan 1265 01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:33,840 and I do. Uh, Tim and I have the exact same dude bro 1266 01:50:33,960 --> 01:50:39,960 banter. It's just normal amongst dudes that has been turned into like toxic masculinity. 1267 01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:45,640 And it also shows though a lot of the soft, fragile people like 1268 01:50:45,720 --> 01:50:49,520 Lofton and Nabara who have cried for years, uh because somebody made a joke 1269 01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:54,640 about them. Right. That's why I opened this stream with a playing the 1270 01:50:54,680 --> 01:50:58,279 Fat Boys song because of the rap battle jokes. I mean I thought that. 1271 01:50:58,319 --> 01:51:01,560 I think that's funny. Right, people have made people made memes of 1272 01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:05,439 me as the fraug the debate me bro frog. I think that's funny. 1273 01:51:05,439 --> 01:51:10,000 I don't care. I've shared the freaking meme they made, So go ahead, 1274 01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:12,720 just one. Yeah, I just had one other thing. I didn't 1275 01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:15,560 want to take up too much your time, But have you done a deep 1276 01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:20,359 dive into kind of the background of like bricks and what that's kind of gonna 1277 01:51:20,399 --> 01:51:24,600 look like or what you think it might look like down the road. I 1278 01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:27,439 know you do a lot with Alex Jones. I haven't caught everything, so 1279 01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:30,279 just curious if you've commented on that and if you have any stuff that you 1280 01:51:30,399 --> 01:51:35,399 might even want tom right. So, so, Colonel Douglas McGregor's son, 1281 01:51:35,560 --> 01:51:41,800 Cameron McGregor, is a good buddy of mine, and we've done several interviews, 1282 01:51:42,039 --> 01:51:45,720 and if you go watch the Cameron McGregor interviews, he goes really deep 1283 01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:49,720 into bricks because he's like that's his forte. He's all about economics, he's 1284 01:51:49,720 --> 01:51:55,479 all about bitcoin, he's all about analyzing, you know, international banking structure. 1285 01:51:55,880 --> 01:51:58,560 You know, it's way more about that than me. So I would 1286 01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:03,479 just defer to Cameron. He's on Twitter. His blog or his substacker blog 1287 01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:06,840 is men in the City, So check out his stuff because he knows a 1288 01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:10,279 lot more about bricks than I do. But no, I haven't actually dived 1289 01:52:10,279 --> 01:52:16,159 super deep into bricks. Yeah, I don't really know exactly. I mean, 1290 01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:20,760 there's other even ortho canonist on here. You know, people like that. 1291 01:52:21,119 --> 01:52:24,199 They know a lot, probably a lot more about bricks than I do. 1292 01:52:24,319 --> 01:52:31,319 Profoundly retort, We'll say, what's up? Profoundly retort Ellie, let's 1293 01:52:31,359 --> 01:52:34,760 see. Ellie sends another five dollars. Thank you. American squid Work sends 1294 01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:40,039 two dollars. Gray Stream Jay, thank you for talking about the incrementalism issues 1295 01:52:40,079 --> 01:52:44,439 recently. God bless. Yeah. I think a lot of people don't see 1296 01:52:44,520 --> 01:52:49,119 why over to window incrementalism is a problem. But look just look up over 1297 01:52:49,159 --> 01:52:54,880 to window and you'll notice it. Profound looks what's up? Profoundly? How 1298 01:52:54,920 --> 01:53:00,840 you doing? Hey? Yes, sir, all right, So this feels 1299 01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:08,600 kind of ill time coming after the last tune in, But I'm very much 1300 01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:13,560 pro banter. This is not a soft boy question or anything like that. 1301 01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:19,119 I agree with you wholeheartedly when it comes to the responsibility of men to think 1302 01:53:19,399 --> 01:53:28,960 analyze objectively because I think our role in the world is to be truthful in 1303 01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:33,720 that manner, and I think for men that sort of object activity is an 1304 01:53:34,039 --> 01:53:41,760 imperative that truth and this is imperative. But you do see in the Saints 1305 01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:48,760 this sort of feeling of tenderness or soft heartedness in a way, but in 1306 01:53:49,239 --> 01:53:56,319 their lives, you know, it has no contradiction with the truth. They 1307 01:53:56,359 --> 01:54:01,239 are tender and are you. It's not like Saints and elders are cutting out. 1308 01:54:01,239 --> 01:54:04,439 I can hardly hear what you're saying. Who'd you say, yes, 1309 01:54:05,239 --> 01:54:11,279 just Saints in general. I'm not like talking about a specific one. There 1310 01:54:11,279 --> 01:54:15,960 doesn't appear to be a contradict should in their life they can be objective. 1311 01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:19,880 They don't have to lie to make somebody feel better. They just do both 1312 01:54:19,920 --> 01:54:23,760 at the same time. Right, Yeah, well, also a lot of 1313 01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:28,319 Saints go ahead, Yeah, I was just gonna ask you what your take. 1314 01:54:28,479 --> 01:54:31,920 Like, Like, that's just in real life, like dealing with people, 1315 01:54:32,760 --> 01:54:36,840 well, face to face, it's easier to be like kind and truthful, 1316 01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:41,439 but like online, when you're limited in your interactions with people, like 1317 01:54:42,039 --> 01:54:45,119 is it even possible to strike a balance between those things? This isn't like 1318 01:54:46,439 --> 01:54:50,079 a calling out or anything like that. This is just like because I think 1319 01:54:50,119 --> 01:54:55,439 I think a lot of the times that you get flack is in cases where 1320 01:54:55,479 --> 01:54:59,079 it's like, well, what would you have him do? Would you would 1321 01:54:59,119 --> 01:55:02,720 you have him like lie to say people's feelings. It's like, in real 1322 01:55:02,720 --> 01:55:06,079 life it doesn't seem like that's really a problem that comes up online. It's 1323 01:55:06,079 --> 01:55:09,600 like, can you even strike that balance? You know what I mean? 1324 01:55:10,760 --> 01:55:14,520 Yeah, I think that it's the nature of the Internet. There was a 1325 01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:16,159 guy who was I forget the name of that guy, but he's the guy 1326 01:55:16,199 --> 01:55:20,680 who is the former reality star guy who became orthodox, and he was on 1327 01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:26,439 I think Father Turboqualls' podcast. He was making some really good comments about how 1328 01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:30,680 the Internet and interactions on the Internet and everything on the Internet it's all abstracted 1329 01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:35,960 and it's not inherently bad or wrong. I'm not saying that people can't be 1330 01:55:36,239 --> 01:55:41,239 doing things on the internet, obviously I'm here on it. But the danger 1331 01:55:41,399 --> 01:55:48,279 is that you get this abstracted, non physical way of living and for people 1332 01:55:48,319 --> 01:55:51,960 who you know, here's the irony too, is like we've always told people, 1333 01:55:53,039 --> 01:55:56,920 even from the beginning of the discord, even like twenty eighteen when the 1334 01:55:56,960 --> 01:56:00,119 first people who were clergy came into that discord, Like, we were always 1335 01:56:00,159 --> 01:56:04,159 saying that you can't just make this an internet thing, right, that's not 1336 01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:09,920 Orthodox to just be internet. And that's weird because even though that was always 1337 01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:14,840 what we were saying, when people like Father Damik started criticizing us, they 1338 01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:17,800 were saying that we were making it only an internet thing, which never was 1339 01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:21,880 never the case. And the irony of that too is that it was a 1340 01:56:21,880 --> 01:56:27,920 lot of the people in those sphere who were actually making Orthodoxy an internet only 1341 01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:30,920 thing during the Koop when they shut the churches down, which is never what 1342 01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:39,479 we supported. So we always opposed those very things and moved it because it's 1343 01:56:39,479 --> 01:56:43,960 a Protestant sort of abstraction type of thing. And the people that are having 1344 01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:47,079 a lot of problems on Twitter that don't like what I talk about or whatever, 1345 01:56:47,640 --> 01:56:51,279 like those Western right people, a lot of those people have converted out 1346 01:56:51,279 --> 01:56:57,640 of either Rome or Protestantism, and their view is I don't need priests, 1347 01:56:57,680 --> 01:57:01,920 I don't need clergy. I have a direct line to me and the books 1348 01:57:02,239 --> 01:57:05,600 like I read the Church fathers, so I don't care what Father Digan and 1349 01:57:05,720 --> 01:57:09,800 Iya says about that you need to be under spiritual father. Why do I 1350 01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:12,880 need a gatekeeper? It's me and the lives of the saintis me and the 1351 01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:16,920 church fathers. That's Protestant. All that stuff is Protestant. And that's why 1352 01:57:17,000 --> 01:57:24,880 the way those people operate is in this detached, abstracted way. And it's 1353 01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:30,239 so weird because people say that what I'm doing is this internet abstracted thing, 1354 01:57:30,359 --> 01:57:33,560 and that's always what we were opposed to. It's just bizarre. And every 1355 01:57:33,560 --> 01:57:39,359 time, like last night, FDA did like a two hour discussion in their 1356 01:57:39,399 --> 01:57:44,479 discord, and his whole message was that that, like, you can't make 1357 01:57:44,520 --> 01:57:46,760 this an internet thing. Now, some people don't have Orthodox churches. They 1358 01:57:46,880 --> 01:57:53,199 so the only outlet they have is online stuff. And if that's your situation, 1359 01:57:53,399 --> 01:57:58,439 okay, But to people who you know are nineteen twenty, twenty one, 1360 01:57:58,560 --> 01:58:03,199 twenty two, they just converted, They start reading the Canons, then 1361 01:58:03,239 --> 01:58:08,560 they get on Twitter and decide that it's their job to then start telling marriage 1362 01:58:08,640 --> 01:58:12,039 married people what to do in the bedroom. And like from day one, 1363 01:58:12,119 --> 01:58:15,199 we always said, don't do that. You're a sperg. It's a and 1364 01:58:15,359 --> 01:58:21,960 it's it doesn't make sense. And so all of the things that people criticize. 1365 01:58:23,880 --> 01:58:26,479 What I'm doing or what we do at is the very things that we've 1366 01:58:26,479 --> 01:58:29,920 always said not to do. So I actually agree with those people, but 1367 01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:33,960 they attribute that to me like as if I'm the I wanted to set up 1368 01:58:33,960 --> 01:58:40,000 an orthobro movement. Like there's still these like boomers that think that I wanted 1369 01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:44,800 to set up some orthobro political movement. Never had any idea about any of 1370 01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:46,640 that. Don't want to do that, And in fact, it just makes 1371 01:58:46,680 --> 01:58:50,439 me more and more not want to talk about theology on the internet at all. 1372 01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:55,760 Why not because of the problem of theology, but because it's just like 1373 01:58:55,840 --> 01:58:59,439 it's like the Western Right. It's like the Western Right itself isn't any kind 1374 01:58:59,439 --> 01:59:04,279 of problem that weird spurgey people who have no conception of you know, knowing 1375 01:59:04,359 --> 01:59:08,119 and studying these things for a long time. They're not qualified. That's the 1376 01:59:08,159 --> 01:59:12,319 point that FDA was making, right. It's like people who imagine going to 1377 01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:16,640 a surgeon and saying, look, I've read the surgery books, I read 1378 01:59:16,640 --> 01:59:20,760 an anatomy book, and I know how to do a surgery. Now you 1379 01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:24,399 might have studied this and been doing it for twenty years, but I just 1380 01:59:24,520 --> 01:59:27,119 noticed in the book, there's a place where it says that what you're doing 1381 01:59:27,159 --> 01:59:30,560 is wrong, so you should actually let me do the surgery because even though 1382 01:59:30,600 --> 01:59:33,039 you're a twenty year veteran at it, I've read the book. And if 1383 01:59:33,119 --> 01:59:36,560 you disagree, are you a gatekeeper? How are you? Why are you 1384 01:59:36,600 --> 01:59:42,319 a surgery gatekeeper? Bro? It's all Protestant. The internet is like it's 1385 01:59:42,359 --> 01:59:47,920 like an internet, it's like an electronic Protestantism almost literally, it's like abstracted 1386 01:59:47,960 --> 01:59:58,600 neoplatonic Protestantism on the in the ether. Right. So again, like we've 1387 01:59:58,640 --> 02:00:01,680 always said, you can't do it that way. You got to like go 1388 02:00:01,760 --> 02:00:10,800 be an actual Orthodox church anyway. But separate from all of that is the 1389 02:00:10,840 --> 02:00:15,760 other issue that you pointed out, which is, uh, you know, 1390 02:00:15,199 --> 02:00:21,680 men's issues, right, masculinity and like any so anything that is that sets 1391 02:00:21,720 --> 02:00:29,840 boundaries is perceived as toxic, which is just insane to me. It's just 1392 02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:33,600 crazy. What And you know the other thing too is that you'll notice that 1393 02:00:34,199 --> 02:00:39,000 a lot of times it's never about the actual topics or the issues in question. 1394 02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:44,000 It immediately turns into why you're a bad person, right, And that's 1395 02:00:44,039 --> 02:00:47,640 a surefire sign when things go at hominem that the opposition, the people who 1396 02:00:47,680 --> 02:00:50,640 are angry at you, don't actually have a point or an argument. It's 1397 02:00:50,680 --> 02:00:56,880 it's just a way to deflect over into oh well here's but yeah, but 1398 02:00:56,880 --> 02:01:02,159 but you're still bad because you vocabam alone clipped you from five years ago saying 1399 02:01:02,159 --> 02:01:04,960 a guy was an idiot in the debate, So see, you're still bad. 1400 02:01:05,039 --> 02:01:09,199 So it's like, even though it's like one instance, like like a 1401 02:01:09,439 --> 02:01:14,560 snippet of a not even a formal debate from five years ago, Right, 1402 02:01:15,199 --> 02:01:19,479 there's a snippet, you're still accountable and you're still guilty for calling someone an 1403 02:01:19,479 --> 02:01:24,319 idiot five years ago. The irony, too, is that the people who 1404 02:01:24,439 --> 02:01:30,439 would call that out are like ten times more venomous on Twitter, like talking 1405 02:01:30,479 --> 02:01:34,720 about my wife, talking about oh he's a Satanist, he's his wife's a 1406 02:01:34,760 --> 02:01:40,560 witch. They'll say like one hundred times worse stuff than me calling them an 1407 02:01:40,600 --> 02:01:43,520 idiot. This guy, not even them, but this guy five years ago 1408 02:01:43,560 --> 02:01:46,439 an idiot. Right, So they'll say things one hundred times worse. But 1409 02:01:46,520 --> 02:01:48,640 it's like, yeah, but but I'm justified in it because you were you 1410 02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:54,039 were, You're me, so I can I can do all of this to 1411 02:01:54,159 --> 02:01:57,960 you and if you dare to reply, oh, look, you're bullying it. 1412 02:01:58,119 --> 02:02:04,680 It's it's again, it's the me of they cry out right as they 1413 02:02:04,680 --> 02:02:12,239 strike you at the fanny something I can't read the rest of the name. 1414 02:02:12,279 --> 02:02:23,119 What's up, am I own? Yeah? Actually, just what you're saying. 1415 02:02:23,239 --> 02:02:29,000 I was wondering your thoughts on the role of people's like past sins and 1416 02:02:29,119 --> 02:02:32,920 faults that are like publicly available because you were sharing like the picks of him 1417 02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:38,239 and the cough makeup right, And on the one end, you know, 1418 02:02:38,640 --> 02:02:43,319 it's I don't know, I don't have strong feelings about Thaddeus. So on 1419 02:02:43,359 --> 02:02:45,760 the one end, it's like, well, you know, if he's apologized 1420 02:02:45,800 --> 02:02:49,119 for it, should there be leeway. But of course, if it's relevant 1421 02:02:49,159 --> 02:02:55,520 to the public scandal that you're you know, accusing him of, then maybe 1422 02:02:55,560 --> 02:02:59,520 it's you know, you're you're trying to make that link. So what is 1423 02:03:00,159 --> 02:03:03,920 that balance that you're trying to strike between things that are scandalous. But then 1424 02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:10,239 if you know, they publicly repented of it, right, So the point 1425 02:03:10,279 --> 02:03:14,880 of that was not merely oh let me find dirt on this person. So 1426 02:03:15,039 --> 02:03:19,079 this is a person who again so was in the discord in twenty eighteen left 1427 02:03:19,159 --> 02:03:24,960 because he felt that debate was mean, right and fine, he can do 1428 02:03:25,079 --> 02:03:28,560 that. You know. He publicly took issue with a lot of things. 1429 02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:30,680 And what happened back at that time was I reached out to him and I 1430 02:03:30,680 --> 02:03:34,159 said, hey, come have a discussion on the discord and let's be reconciled. 1431 02:03:34,520 --> 02:03:38,600 I immediately tried to be reconciled with that guy, because I don't I 1432 02:03:38,600 --> 02:03:42,760 don't have any personal issues with him at the time he came on the discord, 1433 02:03:42,800 --> 02:03:45,800 we all agreed to be good. Within no time at all, maybe 1434 02:03:45,920 --> 02:03:49,279 a few weeks later, he had aligned himself with other people that were booted 1435 02:03:49,279 --> 02:03:54,079 from the discord. This is the consistent pattern that we see. And so 1436 02:03:54,159 --> 02:03:58,279 it just turned sour really quick, and oh, I'm going to set up 1437 02:03:58,319 --> 02:04:00,880 like the nice discord where you don't have to deal with people that do debates 1438 02:04:00,920 --> 02:04:03,680 and this kind of stuff again. So we ignored all of that for a 1439 02:04:03,720 --> 02:04:08,960 long time. Of course, he consistently built his model of being an Orthodox 1440 02:04:09,079 --> 02:04:14,079 life coach on the Enneagram, which is a fraudulent occult thing. It's not 1441 02:04:14,279 --> 02:04:18,840 anything to do with Orthodoxy. And so even at the time there was questions 1442 02:04:18,880 --> 02:04:26,039 about his motivations and the permission to do these things, because again, like 1443 02:04:26,439 --> 02:04:30,960 everybody's going to be held accountable in this world of Orthodoxy for the things that 1444 02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:32,479 they talk about publicly and what they say, right, you can't. It's 1445 02:04:32,479 --> 02:04:38,359 not a situation where you just start your own like almost start my own thing. 1446 02:04:39,039 --> 02:04:42,199 I'm going to be an Orthodox spiritual life coach. Like it's it's that's 1447 02:04:42,199 --> 02:04:44,479 not a thing. It doesn't work, like, this is not the religion 1448 02:04:44,520 --> 02:04:50,000 where you do that. That's like a Protestant type of thing. So in 1449 02:04:50,039 --> 02:04:56,239 regard to him, you know, he kept at this and then somebody sent 1450 02:04:56,279 --> 02:05:00,399 me his memes yesterday. Obviously it's still about you know, the stuff that 1451 02:05:00,399 --> 02:05:03,720 that we talk about. Oh if the online world of Orthodoxy is a kind 1452 02:05:03,720 --> 02:05:06,920 of crazy conspiracy people, but when you go to the Orthodox Church, it's 1453 02:05:06,960 --> 02:05:12,680 not actually that way. That's again it's a counter signaling against what we do. 1454 02:05:12,800 --> 02:05:14,680 And yeah, it did. It kind of set me off because I'm 1455 02:05:14,720 --> 02:05:15,840 tired of this dude, Like, this dude has been at this for it's 1456 02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:20,039 almost six or seven years now of the same types of stuff, and so 1457 02:05:20,279 --> 02:05:26,039 yeah, I pointed out that, look and people sent me stuff that he 1458 02:05:26,079 --> 02:05:29,880 had said post conversion. So it's not just a matter of did he one 1459 02:05:29,960 --> 02:05:33,520 time, you know, cross dress or do something like that. It's that 1460 02:05:33,600 --> 02:05:40,800 post conversion, he's still advising young people on gender issues and the stuff that 1461 02:05:40,840 --> 02:05:45,159 he said was not correct. Okay, so he's gonna publicly advise teenagers who 1462 02:05:45,239 --> 02:05:50,039 are having dysphoria issues. Why would we think this person's qualified to do this? 1463 02:05:50,399 --> 02:05:55,479 Like? Who qualified this guy as a life coach? Life coach is 1464 02:05:55,880 --> 02:06:00,119 like an obvious, like grifter thing. Okay, there shouldn't, I mean, 1465 02:06:00,199 --> 02:06:03,520 unless you have like the permission to be. I don't even know what 1466 02:06:03,560 --> 02:06:06,720 even is a life coach? What the heck even is that? I don't 1467 02:06:06,760 --> 02:06:10,560 even know what it is. It's like I'm made up, you know, 1468 02:06:10,920 --> 02:06:15,279 like new age grifty thing. So what even is an orthodox life coach? 1469 02:06:15,560 --> 02:06:18,479 Now there can be mentors and that kind of stuff, but why would we 1470 02:06:18,560 --> 02:06:26,239 think that guy is qualified to be that thing? And the question then is 1471 02:06:26,279 --> 02:06:32,079 always what person from the hierarchy blessed you or gave you this ministry? And 1472 02:06:32,119 --> 02:06:35,600 who are you under and held accountable to? And what we constantly see is 1473 02:06:35,600 --> 02:06:40,760 that they never say who they're accountable to because they're probably not accountable. That's 1474 02:06:40,760 --> 02:06:44,359 the point. And it's the same with the other people that I mentioned earlier 1475 02:06:44,399 --> 02:06:49,880 in their Western right Twitter spheres, right. So one of those individuals I 1476 02:06:49,960 --> 02:06:54,279 emailed their priest and he got mad. So he's trying to dogs me. 1477 02:06:54,680 --> 02:06:58,600 Now, you can't be a public teacher and telling people that you're Western, 1478 02:06:58,680 --> 02:07:00,000 right. I'm emailed his priest is pre he said, he's not even Western 1479 02:07:00,079 --> 02:07:08,600 right what. So he's painting himself as and he's like twenty two twenty three. 1480 02:07:08,680 --> 02:07:11,680 It's like, none of that makes any sense. Okay. So it's 1481 02:07:11,720 --> 02:07:15,800 a recurring pattern that's happened for multiple years. And it's not that you can't 1482 02:07:15,800 --> 02:07:18,119 be young and talk about these things. It's not that you can't have a 1483 02:07:18,159 --> 02:07:24,600 Twitter profile and talk about theology. The point is that there's parameters and there's 1484 02:07:24,880 --> 02:07:29,560 accountability that everybody has to abide by. That I'm accountable to people hold me 1485 02:07:29,600 --> 02:07:32,880 accountable, right, And it's not even just my spiritual father, right FDA, 1486 02:07:33,079 --> 02:07:35,560 he sees most of what I do. He calls me out if I 1487 02:07:35,600 --> 02:07:39,520 do something wrong or if I'm too rude or whatever to people. I've been 1488 02:07:39,560 --> 02:07:44,439 called out many times over the last six or seven years. But the people 1489 02:07:44,439 --> 02:07:49,840 that we're talking about there's no identifiable persons that they're accountable to, and yet 1490 02:07:49,880 --> 02:07:58,520 there's still public grifting people with ministries representing supposedly the Orthodox Church, which I 1491 02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:01,520 don't even do. The funny thing is I don't give people spiritual advice, 1492 02:08:01,960 --> 02:08:05,640 never told anybody anything about what they should or shouldn't do in the bedroom. 1493 02:08:05,199 --> 02:08:09,159 I mean, to me, that's crazy. As a lay person, it 1494 02:08:09,199 --> 02:08:13,760 makes no sense to do that. That's I think there's jj I if you're 1495 02:08:13,880 --> 02:08:18,079 Orthodox, that means sleeping through life is always sinful and you just need to 1496 02:08:18,119 --> 02:08:20,960 be an insul on Twitter and that you don't understand. You don't have right 1497 02:08:22,039 --> 02:08:24,319 to see those dudes. Some of those dudes are actually on Twitter saying that 1498 02:08:26,159 --> 02:08:30,640 husbands and wives need to sleep in different beds, and like they're like going 1499 02:08:30,680 --> 02:08:37,039 to monastic penitentials and trying to apply monastic penitential disciplines to married people, which 1500 02:08:37,079 --> 02:08:41,079 is just crazy. It's ludicrous. I'm not talking about Fattius, I'm talking 1501 02:08:41,079 --> 02:08:46,520 about the other people. Yeah, but thanks, that's really helpful. Yeah, 1502 02:08:46,600 --> 02:08:48,399 no, it's a fair question, right, So I understand. So 1503 02:08:48,439 --> 02:08:52,039 people don't know the background, They think that these people are just sort of 1504 02:08:52,039 --> 02:08:54,359 like random people that I just choose to, Oh, I'm going to be 1505 02:08:54,399 --> 02:08:56,840 mean to this dude today. Here's a dude I could be mean to today. 1506 02:08:56,319 --> 02:08:58,560 And it's not true. Every one of the people, for the most 1507 02:08:58,600 --> 02:09:01,560 part, maybe not every single one, but most of the people in question 1508 02:09:01,600 --> 02:09:07,039 that keep being recurring problem people are six seven year problem people who are mad 1509 02:09:07,079 --> 02:09:11,640 they got booted from Discord six years ago because they probably deserve to be booted 1510 02:09:11,640 --> 02:09:16,119 from Discord because they act like unstable weirdos unknown since five dollars, here's five 1511 02:09:16,159 --> 02:09:20,000 bucks for being a meani? Oh oh, he called me a meani? 1512 02:09:20,760 --> 02:09:26,079 He call you mean. I'm gonna leave the internet. What does Ibarra say? 1513 02:09:26,239 --> 02:09:31,800 They made mean internet cartoon strips of me? And Ibarra said that his 1514 02:09:31,920 --> 02:09:35,079 kids saw them mean. He's not talking about it. I didn't make any 1515 02:09:35,119 --> 02:09:37,600 means of Iborro, by the way, I later made jokes about it, 1516 02:09:37,600 --> 02:09:41,079 Borro, But I don't even know what he's talking about. When you had 1517 02:09:41,119 --> 02:09:46,279 this funny comment about they made mean Internet cartoon strips of me, he says, 1518 02:09:46,319 --> 02:09:52,039 my son saw the mean internet cartoon strips. Tag who five dollars orthodox 1519 02:09:52,119 --> 02:09:56,159 in name, but many of them have a liberal fronema and they act like 1520 02:09:56,760 --> 02:10:00,920 having a high follower count means you're punching down if you were right. Yeah, 1521 02:10:00,960 --> 02:10:07,760 so you like, having a follower count means that everybody's supposed to trash 1522 02:10:07,800 --> 02:10:11,560 you and you can't reply, right. It's all like at BLM activities and 1523 02:10:11,600 --> 02:10:16,399 the way they spun their anti cop narratives. That's very perceptive, tag Hua, 1524 02:10:16,560 --> 02:10:22,640 because everybody's starting to notice, like the the mob pylon attitude, it's 1525 02:10:22,720 --> 02:10:30,720 exactly SJW approach. And many of the people in the ortho piety signaling sphere 1526 02:10:30,800 --> 02:10:33,680 on Twitter, the people that like post all their prayers and post oll how 1527 02:10:33,680 --> 02:10:39,119 many times they've done Jesus prayer today and pray with me on Twitter, like, 1528 02:10:39,840 --> 02:10:43,479 those are the people who you'll notice act exactly like social justice warriors. 1529 02:10:45,279 --> 02:10:48,439 And it's because, as David Rhan correctly said the other day, like for 1530 02:10:48,520 --> 02:10:52,319 them, they for them, religion is a performative thing. It's a performative 1531 02:10:52,319 --> 02:10:56,199 display. It's a performance. It's a thing you go on the Internet to 1532 02:10:56,279 --> 02:11:01,119 do as a performance. You know. Uh, somebody you might have heard 1533 02:11:01,159 --> 02:11:05,279 of talked about this in Matthew five right or is Matthew six right, where 1534 02:11:05,399 --> 02:11:11,039 Jesus says that they disfigure themselves and they appear to be piassed, and they 1535 02:11:11,039 --> 02:11:16,079 go and they pray on the street corner so that everybody sees them praying to 1536 02:11:16,239 --> 02:11:20,319 be highly esteemed amongst people. So it's pretty wild. Jesus actually called this 1537 02:11:20,439 --> 02:11:24,840 out in The Beatitudes a long time ago. Gary fifty bucks, Thank you, 1538 02:11:24,880 --> 02:11:30,760 Gary, appreciate that, Joe five dollars. You should cover the father 1539 02:11:30,880 --> 02:11:35,600 Copplson versus bertrand Russell debate. There seems like a lot of material, is 1540 02:11:35,640 --> 02:11:41,720 there. Yeah, that is that is a classic debate. Have you ever 1541 02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:43,920 interacted with Keith Woods. I messually keep message Keith a long time ago, 1542 02:11:45,119 --> 02:11:50,960 maybe a year or two ago, to have discussions and whatnot, and he 1543 02:11:50,000 --> 02:11:56,760 didn't seem that interested at the time to have those discussions. It seems like 1544 02:11:56,800 --> 02:11:58,800 he's taking more of a perennialist and platonic view. I remember, I think 1545 02:11:58,800 --> 02:12:01,560 when I asked him a couple of years ago to chat, he had had 1546 02:12:01,800 --> 02:12:07,439 a perennialist take. So yeah, that was kind of what I was open 1547 02:12:07,479 --> 02:12:09,520 to discussing back at the time. But I don't know if he still has 1548 02:12:09,520 --> 02:12:13,720 that view or not. Archibald mc titty sprinkles five dollars. I'm coaching. 1549 02:12:15,439 --> 02:12:18,960 Please come sign up for my life coaching pyramid scheme grift seriously, thank you 1550 02:12:18,960 --> 02:12:24,359 for calling out grifters. Thank you, appreciate that, Archibald gen X Mom 1551 02:12:24,439 --> 02:12:28,359 three dollars. Seventy five percent of the time what you say is over my 1552 02:12:28,439 --> 02:12:31,199 head. But you make me laugh really hard one percent of the time. 1553 02:12:31,880 --> 02:12:35,560 Thank you. Even when you call yourself mean, it makes me laugh. 1554 02:12:35,079 --> 02:12:39,640 I'm a big JA supporter from New England. Thank you, gen X Mom. 1555 02:12:41,800 --> 02:12:45,680 Greiper been lot in three dollars. I noticed that Orthodoxy does seem to 1556 02:12:45,680 --> 02:12:52,560 attract certain soymen from Protestantism. I will give some credit to this observation because, 1557 02:12:52,640 --> 02:12:54,479 and I'm not saying it's the fault of Orthodoxy. A lot of what's 1558 02:12:54,520 --> 02:13:00,680 presented as Orthodoxy is, oh, we don't do what other things do, 1559 02:13:01,199 --> 02:13:07,239 like debate, and we are pacifist, we're publicly pious, and we're mystical. 1560 02:13:09,359 --> 02:13:16,000 That does that selling point does attract potential soyment. You're absolutely right. 1561 02:13:18,119 --> 02:13:22,439 I have some of these swymen in my parish, and I saw I never 1562 02:13:22,479 --> 02:13:26,640 saw any of these types when I was a Catholic. Now I have to 1563 02:13:26,640 --> 02:13:31,840 disagree with you. There because I have seen many trad cat so men, 1564 02:13:33,199 --> 02:13:37,319 So I have to disagree with you there. I don't think it's just Protestants. 1565 02:13:37,760 --> 02:13:43,039 You can have soyment anywhere in today's culture. Ellison's another ten dollars, 1566 02:13:43,079 --> 02:13:50,600 and she says, I forgot the name of the international assassin scene in the 1567 02:13:50,680 --> 02:13:56,159 Vatican. Was that specter? Oh you're talking about, uh so inspector. 1568 02:13:56,960 --> 02:14:00,960 They go to Rome. I don't think it's supposed to be the Vatican, 1569 02:14:01,000 --> 02:14:03,479 though. I think it's supposed to be a sort of a Club of Rome 1570 02:14:03,600 --> 02:14:09,880 style setting where Daniel Craig infiltrates Blofelds meeting. It's in Rome, but I 1571 02:14:09,920 --> 02:14:13,720 don't think it's supposed to be the Vatican. I posted on Twitter a good 1572 02:14:13,760 --> 02:14:20,119 assessment of Vellis. He talks about London cooperation. I'm not sure who Vellys 1573 02:14:20,239 --> 02:14:24,399 is, but I guess you're talking about like the city of London, Quickly's 1574 02:14:24,439 --> 02:14:28,000 writings about Tragi and Hope, that kind of stuff. Yeah, I'm all 1575 02:14:28,000 --> 02:14:31,960 about that kind of stuff for sure. LUs Skiddle's five dollars there was a 1576 02:14:33,000 --> 02:14:37,479 wake up call. I had no idea that there were so many soy in 1577 02:14:37,680 --> 02:14:43,000 orthodoxies. Stay chalked well, one thing I'll say about that is that we 1578 02:14:43,039 --> 02:14:48,560 don't even know if who even knows if half these profiles or even orthodox. 1579 02:14:48,600 --> 02:14:50,920 I mean anybody like like we're talking about with the so called deacon guy, 1580 02:14:52,000 --> 02:14:56,199 Like anybody can start an Orthodox so called Twitter You could start up you can 1581 02:14:56,279 --> 02:15:01,560 just create a Twitter profile, news flash, and you could. You could 1582 02:15:01,560 --> 02:15:07,359 start a Twitter profile, call yourself father Theodore, not referring to anybody, 1583 02:15:07,359 --> 02:15:13,119 I know. Just take a very common Greek name, post a bunch of 1584 02:15:13,720 --> 02:15:18,199 Saint memes and quotes and garner you know, a thousand followers within a few 1585 02:15:18,199 --> 02:15:22,279 months. Then suddenly you could just start saying whatever you want and people will 1586 02:15:22,319 --> 02:15:26,520 think that's the Orthodox position. I mean, like the people are overlooking like 1587 02:15:26,680 --> 02:15:30,319 this subversion fed side of this. I mean, come on, people need 1588 02:15:30,359 --> 02:15:35,319 to stop being so naive. Look, don't just accept because some profile says 1589 02:15:35,319 --> 02:15:39,359 it's profile, that it's it's Orthodox, that it is black three dollars. 1590 02:15:39,720 --> 02:15:48,039 What would you read? What book would you read to defend monarchy? Uh? 1591 02:15:50,560 --> 02:15:52,800 I don't even know, I the top of my head what the defense 1592 02:15:52,920 --> 02:15:56,800 of I mean, I don't know that there is like one book that defends 1593 02:15:56,880 --> 02:16:01,520 monarchy. I mean, read my godfather's article Arnold. He wrote an article 1594 02:16:01,560 --> 02:16:09,319 about monarchy and biblical theology. So I'm trying to remember the name of Dean's 1595 02:16:09,399 --> 02:16:15,680 articles. It's called something like Biblical Defensive Monarchy Dean Arnold. So I mean 1596 02:16:15,720 --> 02:16:18,079 you could just read that article. You don't have to read a giant book 1597 02:16:18,119 --> 02:16:24,000 on it. Collins ten dollars. Long story short. But there's basically been 1598 02:16:24,039 --> 02:16:28,920 a constant issue with throughout history. What has been do you mean what soyman? 1599 02:16:28,000 --> 02:16:31,840 I don't think soyman have Actually, I think this is a recent phenomenon. 1600 02:16:31,280 --> 02:16:35,639 And people there's so many soymen for many reasons. There's not just one 1601 02:16:35,680 --> 02:16:43,520 reason, right, It's not just Protestant converts. There are there's a generational 1602 02:16:43,559 --> 02:16:52,639 attack. There's the nWo toxifying the food and the culture. You got generations 1603 02:16:52,639 --> 02:16:56,879 of people raised by single moms. You got, like trusting points out, 1604 02:16:58,280 --> 02:17:03,159 generations of people raised eating eating kibble with cartoon characters on the box. I 1605 02:17:03,159 --> 02:17:09,159 mean, this is going to produce soymen. So that's a huge chunk of 1606 02:17:09,159 --> 02:17:13,680 it. It's all these things being raised on cartoons, being raised on the 1607 02:17:13,719 --> 02:17:20,200 internet. I mean, it's it's a bunch of things. So I don't 1608 02:17:20,200 --> 02:17:24,479 know what I'm I'm guessing that's what you're talking about. Thank you for the 1609 02:17:24,600 --> 02:17:28,760 time. I'm not trying to ramble. Uh, I'm normal, I promise. 1610 02:17:30,159 --> 02:17:31,000 Yeah, it's all good. I mean, I'm not I don't I 1611 02:17:31,040 --> 02:17:35,440 don't disagree. I just I'm not sure what you mean is the what issue 1612 02:17:35,520 --> 02:17:37,879 is it that you're talking about, because we talked about a bunch of issues. 1613 02:17:39,280 --> 02:17:43,120 Shining diamonds? Is a dollar? Would Aquinas accept Vatican one or Vatican 1614 02:17:43,159 --> 02:17:54,399 two? I don't know. I mean that's a I mean, I guess 1615 02:17:54,399 --> 02:17:58,520 if Aquinas is committed to his belief in the Roman Sea, then he would 1616 02:17:58,600 --> 02:18:03,719 have to, right, I mean, yeah, it's a tough I mean, 1617 02:18:03,040 --> 02:18:07,639 who knows. Probably maybe lest encounter five dollars. I was recently baptized 1618 02:18:07,639 --> 02:18:13,399 in Orthodoxy, So if I am ever saying something dumb, correct me. 1619 02:18:13,479 --> 02:18:16,760 Thank you for everything, Jay, I love you. Well. I'm sure 1620 02:18:16,799 --> 02:18:22,239 that in your sphere, if you have a good spiritual father, like everybody's 1621 02:18:22,280 --> 02:18:26,079 gonna be like everybody keeps everybody else in check. That's kind of the way 1622 02:18:26,159 --> 02:18:31,639 this that's anodal government applied across the board, right, so people keep each 1623 02:18:31,639 --> 02:18:35,360 other in check. You don't have one, dude, you know, like 1624 02:18:37,159 --> 02:18:41,840 the what is a father wife? We don't have the grand puba who calls 1625 02:18:41,840 --> 02:18:50,840 the shots on everything. Now now I feel like it won't make sense to 1626 02:18:50,879 --> 02:18:54,120 talk about the wef because we didn't even talk about that. This ended up 1627 02:18:54,159 --> 02:18:58,600 being a totally different discussion topic. Maybe that should be a separate stream. 1628 02:19:00,719 --> 02:19:16,360 The boy crisis. What's up boy crisis? You got on mute? Hey, 1629 02:19:16,440 --> 02:19:22,520 j boy crisis here. This is kind of not relevant to your conversation, 1630 02:19:22,719 --> 02:19:30,040 but just wondering if you saw the senator at a Oklahoma that's abolishing or 1631 02:19:30,040 --> 02:19:37,719 repealing no fault divorce, abolishing abortion, and pushing for of course, equal 1632 02:19:37,719 --> 02:19:39,760 share of parenting in the state of Oklahoma. No, I didn't, but 1633 02:19:39,840 --> 02:19:45,959 I heard about something similar in Florida, So I mean, these are definitely 1634 02:19:46,040 --> 02:19:52,000 movements in the right direction. Yeah, Dusty Devers is his name, but 1635 02:19:52,079 --> 02:19:56,399 he's a he's a pastor, and of course he ran for office. But 1636 02:19:56,520 --> 02:20:03,520 he's got all kinds of witches, feminist groups, a league of women voters, 1637 02:20:01,799 --> 02:20:07,479 and coortivation of women after him. But it's the same thing. And 1638 02:20:07,760 --> 02:20:13,559 Richel Rachel Wilson and her husband had talked about, you know what Michael had 1639 02:20:13,559 --> 02:20:18,920 talked about earlier in this chat, and it really has to do with conflict 1640 02:20:18,959 --> 02:20:24,680 avoidance, kind of the soy boy type of thing. But it's you know, 1641 02:20:24,760 --> 02:20:26,959 it's not I mean, when I grew up, you know, we 1642 02:20:26,000 --> 02:20:31,319 had a pretty mixed group of friends and whatever. It was your character flaw 1643 02:20:31,360 --> 02:20:35,239 of we're tall, we called you lanky. If you're short, we called 1644 02:20:35,239 --> 02:20:39,719 you a midget if you're you know, this group, we called you that, 1645 02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:43,959 and it was all part of all and for men, that's actually part 1646 02:20:45,000 --> 02:20:48,159 of male bonding. Yeah, and you kind of you kind of see who 1647 02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:52,559 who can jive with you because I guess in battles kind of program, like 1648 02:20:52,600 --> 02:20:56,000 you want to make sure that you don't surround yourself with weak men, that 1649 02:20:56,079 --> 02:21:03,479 you're going to have someone that can fight in your corner. But I love 1650 02:21:03,559 --> 02:21:05,799 this guy, Dusty Devers, and it's to me, it's like, well, 1651 02:21:05,879 --> 02:21:11,639 you can't just lead men and tell them, hey, you know, 1652 02:21:11,799 --> 02:21:15,760 raise a family that be over it, you know. But he's actually putting 1653 02:21:16,520 --> 02:21:22,639 the emphasis on putting Christ back into government and I love that. So I 1654 02:21:22,680 --> 02:21:24,559 just want to mention that to you. Yeah, I think that this ties 1655 02:21:24,559 --> 02:21:31,239 into why they want to so bad have female deacons, so called deacon ESS's 1656 02:21:31,680 --> 02:21:37,079 and then female priests is because it's all part of an overall approach to feminizing 1657 02:21:37,120 --> 02:21:41,479 society on a mass scale, which then makes it much easier to control an 1658 02:21:41,520 --> 02:21:46,200 engineer. So it's not that you know, the global elite like really like 1659 02:21:46,280 --> 02:21:48,879 women. No, No, this has to do with control, and so 1660 02:21:50,000 --> 02:21:54,840 to feminize, to make the society based around false notions of egalitarianism and all 1661 02:21:54,840 --> 02:21:58,920 this kind of stuff is really a social engineering technique and tactic. This ties 1662 02:22:00,079 --> 02:22:05,200 into uh you know white papers like changing images of Man, which we've talked 1663 02:22:05,200 --> 02:22:09,079 about for many years. Uh you know all the talks and articles I've done 1664 02:22:09,079 --> 02:22:15,280 for many years about feminism. How that's a social engineering technique. And Rachel's 1665 02:22:15,280 --> 02:22:16,399 in the chat. Yeah, she she wrote a book on this. How 1666 02:22:16,920 --> 02:22:20,479 you know, go back to witchcraft. You know, witchcraft is basically the 1667 02:22:20,520 --> 02:22:28,440 same uh modus operandi of feminism. And and you couldn't have the skittles and 1668 02:22:28,520 --> 02:22:33,719 gender revolutions so called had you not first had the feminist revolution. It prepared 1669 02:22:33,760 --> 02:22:41,000 the way for all the subsequent revolutions. So anyway, well, Emmanuel, 1670 02:22:41,040 --> 02:22:46,360 since five dollars says, the w EF is getting there, Uh, getting 1671 02:22:46,479 --> 02:22:54,479 there their group Uh spit on well, it does seem like a lot of 1672 02:22:54,479 --> 02:22:56,840 people are waking up to that, and uh, you know, Elon has 1673 02:22:56,840 --> 02:23:01,280 called attention to it because Elon has you know, made fun of WF and 1674 02:23:01,520 --> 02:23:07,479 he called into one of those meetings and talked about how globalism is kind of 1675 02:23:07,479 --> 02:23:11,520 a failure, it doesn't work. Everybody's kind of Oh Javier Malay, he 1676 02:23:11,239 --> 02:23:18,159 gave it to him at Davos. I mean there's elements of what Malay says 1677 02:23:18,200 --> 02:23:20,200 that's good, but I come on, I mean, this guy is not 1678 02:23:20,440 --> 02:23:26,840 that based. I mean, it wasn't he giving awars to Zelensky. I 1679 02:23:26,840 --> 02:23:31,600 mean, look, you know, unfortunately, the Latin American, South American 1680 02:23:31,719 --> 02:23:37,600 no, all that domain is really complex because people fall into the dialectic of 1681 02:23:37,639 --> 02:23:41,760 thinking, well, you're either one of the socialists or you side with the 1682 02:23:41,799 --> 02:23:48,200 neoliberal corporate vultures, right, and so both both of these are bad guys. 1683 02:23:48,440 --> 02:23:52,879 And that's really difficult to convey because people just sort of immediately fall into 1684 02:23:54,040 --> 02:23:58,200 good guy bad guy camps when it comes to Latin South America stuff, which 1685 02:23:58,879 --> 02:24:01,440 if you listen to the chat that Tristan and I have done, we just 1686 02:24:01,479 --> 02:24:05,200 did a long in depth analysis of Oliver Stones Wall Street Tristan brought up some 1687 02:24:05,280 --> 02:24:09,879 of this, right, how people think, oh, well, Javier Malay 1688 02:24:09,959 --> 02:24:11,440 is good because he's well, it's good that. Yeah, I agree, 1689 02:24:11,440 --> 02:24:15,360 it's good that he's he's anti fed, right, he's against federal reserve, 1690 02:24:15,440 --> 02:24:20,840 he's against a fiat currency. That's good. However, he also seems to 1691 02:24:20,959 --> 02:24:26,879 then default to siding with the the neoliberal vultures who are behind a lot of 1692 02:24:26,920 --> 02:24:31,760 the problems in uh In in those countries as well. So, Tristan, 1693 02:24:31,920 --> 02:24:35,399 I know you're you're not here, but if you're, if you would, 1694 02:24:35,520 --> 02:24:37,959 if you're, if you can hop on for a little bit and just kind 1695 02:24:37,959 --> 02:24:41,760 of comment on that, I would. I would appreciate it, because a 1696 02:24:41,799 --> 02:24:45,360 lot of people don't understand, you know, the Latin South American political sphere, 1697 02:24:45,360 --> 02:24:48,879 and they just kind of lump it into the the you know, good 1698 02:24:48,920 --> 02:24:54,760 guy libertarian versus evil socialist dialectic, and uh, you have really good insights 1699 02:24:54,760 --> 02:25:03,200 on this given uh you know Ecuador. Yeah, Hey, Jay, Hey, 1700 02:25:05,840 --> 02:25:09,360 I just want to say that you're super mean and disavow you completely. 1701 02:25:09,559 --> 02:25:16,159 I'm sorry for wearing your sports braw. I generally disavow everything you are do, 1702 02:25:16,799 --> 02:25:20,799 like, associate with, stand for, or have ever stood for it 1703 02:25:20,600 --> 02:25:26,680 because you're mean. I accept your public struggle session, I accept my public 1704 02:25:26,559 --> 02:25:35,639 penance. So the Malays are really interesting that this tests for how stupid a 1705 02:25:35,680 --> 02:25:41,600 lot of the libertarian and you know, slightly right of centered people in the 1706 02:25:41,600 --> 02:25:46,159 inner are. I'm sure James, I'm sure James Lindsay is, you know, 1707 02:25:46,280 --> 02:25:50,520 doing backflips praising how great this guy is, how amazing HOBBYR. Malay 1708 02:25:50,639 --> 02:25:54,879 is. But the libertarians, a lot of these people remember the libertarian movement 1709 02:25:54,840 --> 02:25:58,239 in two thousand and eight from Paul Like a lot of us were kind of 1710 02:25:58,760 --> 02:26:01,120 involved in that type of stuff. Yeah, this was all about and the 1711 02:26:01,200 --> 02:26:05,440 fet It was about, like actual audit the fet right and the FED and 1712 02:26:05,559 --> 02:26:11,120 the private banking cartel of the Federal Reserve because the federal all they were. 1713 02:26:11,200 --> 02:26:16,440 The Federal Reserve is no more federal than Federal express which is true right now. 1714 02:26:16,840 --> 02:26:24,719 What's amazing is how much of that vision of and basic understanding of what 1715 02:26:24,840 --> 02:26:30,399 the real problem with transnational banking is all that's been lost in the kind of 1716 02:26:30,399 --> 02:26:37,200 so called libertarian movement today. And I don't think again, I don't think 1717 02:26:37,280 --> 02:26:43,680 libertarianism was ever a good idea, a useful movement for anything but throwing open 1718 02:26:43,760 --> 02:26:48,399 the floodgates, opening the gates of Toledo. Uh so to say for for 1719 02:26:48,479 --> 02:26:56,159 a socialism and communism to come in. But what these people that are praising 1720 02:26:56,239 --> 02:27:01,120 Malay are saying is this guy wants to end the Artian Central Bank. This 1721 02:27:01,239 --> 02:27:05,200 is one of their main points. So why he's so based and why he's 1722 02:27:05,239 --> 02:27:09,520 so good. Now, the Argentinian Central Bank is actually run by the state, 1723 02:27:11,000 --> 02:27:15,600 like, it's actually owned by Argentina. It's not a private bank like 1724 02:27:15,639 --> 02:27:18,440 the Federal Reserve. Now what he wants to do and seems like he's kind 1725 02:27:18,440 --> 02:27:20,600 of backed down off of this. I'm not sure if they'll actually go through 1726 02:27:20,600 --> 02:27:26,120 with it, but his campaign writer it included shutting down their central bank, 1727 02:27:26,479 --> 02:27:28,360 which is actually run by the state, unlike the Federal Reserve, which is 1728 02:27:28,399 --> 02:27:33,399 a private bank in Cartel. And what he wants to do is dollarize them, 1729 02:27:33,600 --> 02:27:37,319 put them on the dollar, and literally put them under the control of 1730 02:27:37,360 --> 02:27:43,520 the FED. That's Javier Malay's program, total neoliberalism, complete vassal state, 1731 02:27:43,360 --> 02:27:48,239 Argentina becoming like it has been cyclically for a long time, a complete vassal 1732 02:27:48,280 --> 02:27:52,239 state of the US. I remember Argentina was kind of a test bed for 1733 02:27:52,319 --> 02:27:58,520 the GMO movement. They kind of bulwark the gmocorn and GOMO. Soy down 1734 02:27:58,559 --> 02:28:03,200 there are Tina has has. I mean, it's been wrecked by just consistent 1735 02:28:03,319 --> 02:28:09,440 political upheaval from both the Latin American left and right for a long time. 1736 02:28:09,479 --> 02:28:13,440 But yeah, this this idea that Javier Malay is some sort of a trap 1737 02:28:13,600 --> 02:28:16,799 right wing guy and he's our dude, he's our he's our guy. He's 1738 02:28:16,799 --> 02:28:20,159 so based, he's just I mean, this, this guy is a is 1739 02:28:20,239 --> 02:28:24,159 a total idiot. He's a total shill. And just because he says give 1740 02:28:24,200 --> 02:28:28,200 some lip service at the w e F about how I don't like communism, 1741 02:28:28,639 --> 02:28:35,520 well, your whole program is just neoliberalism for Latin America's total privatization of resources 1742 02:28:35,520 --> 02:28:41,600 so that they can be plundered by transnational corporations and transnational corporate cartels and you 1743 02:28:41,680 --> 02:28:46,280 can be under the thumb of the Federal Reserve private banking cartel. That's what 1744 02:28:46,399 --> 02:28:50,000 Javier Malay is bringing. So it's it's ridiculous that people, so you're saying 1745 02:28:50,000 --> 02:28:54,799 that he basically you need to be under the US FED, righted. So 1746 02:28:54,840 --> 02:28:58,440 he wants he wants to get rid of their central bank, which is actually 1747 02:28:58,600 --> 02:29:03,920 owned by Argentina, and they've had tons of problems. They've tried dollarization before 1748 02:29:03,399 --> 02:29:07,840 and it completely wrecked their economy. It completely destroyed Argentina. And it was 1749 02:29:09,319 --> 02:29:11,920 if anybody wants to learn about kind of what it's like to live in a 1750 02:29:11,959 --> 02:29:16,079 collapse society, read about what happened in Argentina. And I think, So, 1751 02:29:16,120 --> 02:29:20,239 what you're saying is you're a communist socialist and you want socialism. That's 1752 02:29:20,280 --> 02:29:24,239 what you're saying exactly. So this, this is what the libertarians kind of 1753 02:29:24,520 --> 02:29:26,799 what it always is. Well, if you're not a libertarian, you must 1754 02:29:26,840 --> 02:29:31,000 be a common get get out of my face, commune with that, with 1755 02:29:31,079 --> 02:29:37,399 that nonsense. So it's it's it's really a hit. Millay shows just how 1756 02:29:37,680 --> 02:29:43,399 stupid people in the right are. Now they're cheering on a guy because he 1757 02:29:43,440 --> 02:29:46,559 says he wants to get rid of the Central Bank of Argentina. These people 1758 02:29:46,600 --> 02:29:50,959 are acting like a set Having a central bank is the problem. The problem 1759 02:29:52,079 --> 02:29:56,959 is not a bank existing, right, I mean, there's central there's a 1760 02:29:56,000 --> 02:30:01,040 state run bank is not inherently bad. I mean Godafi has one. But 1761 02:30:01,079 --> 02:30:05,120 it's what he did with it that they didn't like. Right, what he 1762 02:30:05,159 --> 02:30:07,200 wants to do is get rid of their bank and literally put them on the 1763 02:30:07,239 --> 02:30:15,319 dollar under the federal research. That's it's insane, Yeah, exactly. And 1764 02:30:15,520 --> 02:30:20,280 a lot of people just don't understand this dialectic at play in places like you 1765 02:30:20,319 --> 02:30:24,840 know, Latin South America. I mean, you could look at America too, 1766 02:30:24,920 --> 02:30:28,319 like, okay, so America is is America free market or is it 1767 02:30:28,399 --> 02:30:31,799 socialist? Well, the world that we're going into is really, in my 1768 02:30:31,959 --> 02:30:37,360 view, going to be a synthesis of the worst aspects of both things. 1769 02:30:37,760 --> 02:30:43,239 So you're going to get like a corporate fortune one hundred fortune five hundred model 1770 02:30:43,520 --> 02:30:48,079 of a centralized thing that tells all the countries what to do. And we 1771 02:30:48,159 --> 02:30:54,000 saw this in the last few years with Kouf, when these unelected international bodies 1772 02:30:54,040 --> 02:30:58,000 are telling and advising America what to do. Here's your policies on how to 1773 02:30:58,079 --> 02:31:01,719 handle koof And you'll notice that why, it just happens to be everywhere in 1774 02:31:01,719 --> 02:31:07,079 the whole world. Suddenly everyone wears the masks, and suddenly suddenly every fortune 1775 02:31:07,079 --> 02:31:11,479 one hundred fortune five hundred company is pushing the Skittles rainbow. It's like everywhere, 1776 02:31:11,479 --> 02:31:15,399 all of a sudden. Yeah, that's because it's a coordinated agenda, 1777 02:31:15,479 --> 02:31:20,559 and it's a mix of elements of socialism, elements of neoliberal you know, 1778 02:31:20,639 --> 02:31:26,639 free market economics is the worst put into a big superstructure. So it's not 1779 02:31:26,840 --> 02:31:31,959 either of these systems. And people kind of have a hard time looking past 1780 02:31:31,000 --> 02:31:35,799 the dialectic of socialism or free market libertarianism. It's like you got to be 1781 02:31:35,840 --> 02:31:41,079 one or the other. That's all there is. By the way, this 1782 02:31:41,159 --> 02:31:46,520 is the article I was looking for, so people think, so again touching 1783 02:31:46,520 --> 02:31:52,159 on why I had talked about the expose of that person earlier. So and 1784 02:31:52,239 --> 02:31:56,760 again, I almost never talk about canon law and orthodoxy because I don't. 1785 02:31:58,239 --> 02:32:00,879 To me, cannilo is boring. I don't get into this kind of stuff. 1786 02:32:01,639 --> 02:32:05,120 I will talk about this one time because it's relevant to this. So 1787 02:32:05,280 --> 02:32:13,440 canon law guards it's it's like another way to set boundaries. Laws are made, 1788 02:32:13,840 --> 02:32:16,159 like Jesus says about the Sabbath, right, the Sabbath is made for 1789 02:32:16,239 --> 02:32:18,479 man, not man for the Sabbath. Okay, canon law is made for 1790 02:32:18,559 --> 02:32:20,319 man, not man. For canon law. But it's the purview of the 1791 02:32:20,399 --> 02:32:26,120 church to interpret and apply them to canons via there by the clergy. Okay. 1792 02:32:26,600 --> 02:32:31,520 So for example, if a person wants to be a teacher, a 1793 02:32:31,520 --> 02:32:37,200 priest, a guide, a spiritual a real life coach. There's parameters as 1794 02:32:37,239 --> 02:32:41,360 to who qualifies for that. Not everybody's qualified for that. For example, 1795 02:32:43,040 --> 02:32:46,440 I am not qualified for that. What you talk about things on the internet. 1796 02:32:46,559 --> 02:32:50,680 Yeah, but I do not give spiritual advice. I don't tell people 1797 02:32:50,719 --> 02:32:56,120 what's appropriate for their marital situation. I don't counsel people. I don't apply 1798 02:32:56,200 --> 02:33:00,920 and interpret canon law. This is my one extent and I'm just going to 1799 02:33:01,000 --> 02:33:05,760 cite another priest's article about the purpose of canon law. Now, did you 1800 02:33:05,840 --> 02:33:11,159 know that there are around thirteen obstacles to becoming a priest? So if a 1801 02:33:11,200 --> 02:33:16,000 person wants to become a spiritual guide, a spiritual father, as Paul says, 1802 02:33:16,040 --> 02:33:18,360 that's actually a noble thing. It's a good thing to want to be 1803 02:33:18,479 --> 02:33:26,879 that. And I think that in my situation, there's a couple things on 1804 02:33:26,920 --> 02:33:31,799 this list that would discount me. And so for example, if you had 1805 02:33:31,159 --> 02:33:35,719 a past where you were kind of notorious and slept around I did that, 1806 02:33:35,719 --> 02:33:39,719 that would I would think that would probably count me out of being a priest. 1807 02:33:41,000 --> 02:33:43,680 Now, in certain cases, bishops might I'm not talking about me. 1808 02:33:43,840 --> 02:33:48,440 I have absolutely no desire to be anybody's priest or guru or guide or anything 1809 02:33:48,479 --> 02:33:52,360 like that. I don't mind talking about these things in an intellectual academic way 1810 02:33:52,399 --> 02:33:56,840 on the Internet because that's my wheelhouse. But I'm not your guide. I'm 1811 02:33:56,879 --> 02:34:01,159 not your guru. I don't give you spiritual advice. You need to go 1812 02:34:01,200 --> 02:34:03,719 to your spiritual father for that kind of stuff. And I also don't publicly 1813 02:34:03,719 --> 02:34:05,799 post my prayers and this kind of stuff. I just think, oh, 1814 02:34:05,799 --> 02:34:13,799 that's really distasteful. But there's things that disqualify a person from being a public 1815 02:34:13,479 --> 02:34:18,520 spiritual guide and teacher, and those things are there for a reason, and 1816 02:34:18,520 --> 02:34:20,879 it has nothing to do with whether you can be saved or not. Okay, 1817 02:34:20,959 --> 02:34:24,559 so people are saying, oh, you're going after this guy because of 1818 02:34:24,600 --> 02:34:26,239 his past life. No, no, I have the same. Well, 1819 02:34:26,239 --> 02:34:31,040 I don't have degenderness for you, but I have similar types of passions that 1820 02:34:31,159 --> 02:34:37,079 I would say would prevent me from being anybody's spiritual guide. But the reason 1821 02:34:37,120 --> 02:34:41,760 that these qualifications are there is so that it doesn't bring scandal and it doesn't 1822 02:34:41,799 --> 02:34:46,239 bring problems to the church where you have people who are not fit for that 1823 02:34:46,360 --> 02:34:50,719 kind of a role being put in that kind of a position. So, 1824 02:34:50,799 --> 02:34:54,879 for example, a new convert in Orthodoxy is not allowed into seminary right away. 1825 02:34:56,319 --> 02:34:58,319 Right, there's a period where they have to be Orthodox for a few 1826 02:34:58,399 --> 02:35:05,600 years before a priest recommends them to seminary. You don't just like become Orthodox, 1827 02:35:05,440 --> 02:35:09,200 send an email to the seminary and say, I'm going to start seminary 1828 02:35:09,239 --> 02:35:13,159 tomorrow. Here's the money, let me in. Right. There's all kinds 1829 02:35:13,159 --> 02:35:18,520 of obstacles that might be there to keep a person or to wisely prevent a 1830 02:35:18,559 --> 02:35:26,360 person from taking on that role, for example, becoming baptized for bizarre reasons, 1831 02:35:28,760 --> 02:35:31,920 apostasy, leaving the faith, or coming back to the faith. Hey, 1832 02:35:31,959 --> 02:35:37,040 Tristan, could you mute for a second. There's an echo. In 1833 02:35:37,079 --> 02:35:43,079 fact, physical defics and illnesses actually could potentially prevent a person from being in 1834 02:35:43,079 --> 02:35:46,639 the priesthood. One's age can also prevent a person from being in the priesthood. 1835 02:35:48,639 --> 02:35:54,280 Family situations can at times prevent a person. Has that person struggled with 1836 02:35:54,440 --> 02:35:58,760 or had issues with certain serious types of sin, for example, where they 1837 02:36:00,159 --> 02:36:05,639 previously involved in a life of thievery. If a person was, for example, 1838 02:36:05,680 --> 02:36:07,879 a thief for many, many years and they converted to the church, 1839 02:36:09,959 --> 02:36:13,280 there's nothing wrong with that. Of course, that person can convert and come 1840 02:36:13,319 --> 02:36:16,040 to the church. However, you don't make a new convert who has a 1841 02:36:16,079 --> 02:36:18,799 problem with, for example, stealing money. You don't put them in charge 1842 02:36:18,799 --> 02:36:24,159 of the church treasury. Obviously that's absurd. So likewise, a person who 1843 02:36:24,200 --> 02:36:33,559 had, for example, dysphoria issues or certain types of skittles issues, of 1844 02:36:33,559 --> 02:36:37,440 course they can come to the church, but they're not ready, or they're 1845 02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:41,520 they're not in a position to immediately be put into being a spiritual guide or 1846 02:36:41,559 --> 02:36:43,879 father. You see, that's the key point that I was getting at. 1847 02:36:45,079 --> 02:36:48,840 A lot of people just ignored all of that, when if you've been in 1848 02:36:48,920 --> 02:36:52,200 the discord and known what we've talked about for many, many years, these 1849 02:36:52,200 --> 02:36:54,920 are all the points that FDA made, right. FDA has made these points 1850 02:36:56,399 --> 02:37:01,879 that people want to be teachers and priests, and that's a great, good 1851 02:37:01,920 --> 02:37:05,079 desire, but there's a path to doing that. And what the double often 1852 02:37:05,120 --> 02:37:09,719 does this was FDA's point is offer shortcuts. He says, no, you 1853 02:37:09,760 --> 02:37:15,639 don't have to actually go get a college degree and enter into seminary or any 1854 02:37:15,639 --> 02:37:18,319 of that stuff. And again, even the college degree thing is not necessarily 1855 02:37:18,360 --> 02:37:20,639 the case. It's like you don't have to study. Oh, you don't 1856 02:37:20,639 --> 02:37:22,840 have to do any of that. You can just do the shortcut, set 1857 02:37:22,879 --> 02:37:26,239 up your ministry on Twitter. Now, again, I've always said that you 1858 02:37:26,280 --> 02:37:31,040 shouldn't do that. And again when I converted, I took all my stuff 1859 02:37:31,040 --> 02:37:33,799 to Father Vladimir, and I said, please read these things. Tell me 1860 02:37:33,799 --> 02:37:39,319 if you think that I shouldn't talk about this stuff. Right. So it's 1861 02:37:39,360 --> 02:37:43,200 not that there's one rule for all, because there might be a situation where 1862 02:37:43,200 --> 02:37:48,680 there's a need for priests, and maybe a bishop relaxes some of these qualifications 1863 02:37:48,680 --> 02:37:52,319 that aren't going to be serious, Right, Like you're not going to take 1864 02:37:52,319 --> 02:37:56,239 a murderer or some dude on death row and immediately put him in the priesthood. 1865 02:37:56,399 --> 02:38:00,120 Right, that would be one of the serious sins that a person can 1866 02:38:00,159 --> 02:38:03,440 still be saved and repent from. Sure, but it doesn't mean that they're 1867 02:38:03,479 --> 02:38:11,200 ready to be in a priesthood situation. Right. And there's other ones too 1868 02:38:11,239 --> 02:38:16,200 that you might not expect, Like maybe that person was in a situation where 1869 02:38:16,200 --> 02:38:20,000 even their wife left them and committed adultery or something like that. Right, 1870 02:38:20,079 --> 02:38:22,959 that's an old canon that's there for a reason. A lot of these things 1871 02:38:24,000 --> 02:38:28,639 are there because of difficult situations that it might put a person in were they 1872 02:38:28,719 --> 02:38:37,120 to enter the priesthood with these life situations. Right, there's other things like 1873 02:38:37,200 --> 02:38:41,319 liabilities to the state. Right, maybe that person works as a soldier. 1874 02:38:41,399 --> 02:38:43,600 Maybe that person works as a senator. Right, it's not going to be 1875 02:38:43,600 --> 02:38:48,120 appropriate as a senator for that person to become ordained. And then other things 1876 02:38:48,120 --> 02:38:52,479 too, like a bad reputation if that person had a notorious you know, 1877 02:38:52,559 --> 02:38:56,479 lifestyle of being. I don't know. Let's say Larry Flint converts the Orthodoxy. 1878 02:38:56,520 --> 02:39:00,000 Can he convert, of course, but you're not gonna make Larry Flint 1879 02:39:00,639 --> 02:39:05,479 a priest and a spiritual guide in a year. Right. So it's really 1880 02:39:05,520 --> 02:39:07,479 a lot of common sense stuff if you read this article. And so that 1881 02:39:07,600 --> 02:39:13,680 was the point about the people who become online grifters and set up their online 1882 02:39:13,760 --> 02:39:18,280 spiritual life coaching things, is that it's one hundred percent obvious common sense that 1883 02:39:18,399 --> 02:39:22,680 it's not appropriate, and the fact that those people won't say who they're under 1884 02:39:22,840 --> 02:39:28,399 or who's given them the permission to set up their life coaching spiritual exercises. 1885 02:39:28,879 --> 02:39:33,639 And given the fact that he publicly is telling people things about gender that are 1886 02:39:33,639 --> 02:39:37,280 not orthodox, I mean those are all obvious red flags, and no, 1887 02:39:37,399 --> 02:39:41,159 I do not feel bad about saying that those are red flags. So anyway, 1888 02:39:41,280 --> 02:39:46,959 that was the whole point of all that BMX in nineteen sixty six long 1889 02:39:46,000 --> 02:39:50,200 time super chatter, thank you so much, he says, here's ten bucks, 1890 02:39:50,200 --> 02:39:52,959 great vid. Thank you so much. BMX. Appreciate that. I'm 1891 02:39:52,959 --> 02:39:56,959 going to change the title of this because none of this was about the WF. 1892 02:39:58,079 --> 02:40:01,520 I did have the intention of talking about WF and then ended up being 1893 02:40:01,559 --> 02:40:07,000 about all this kind of stuff. So I actually intended to have either Father 1894 02:40:07,079 --> 02:40:11,200 Moses or FDA come on to discuss this topic. Maybe I'll do a whole 1895 02:40:11,200 --> 02:40:13,760 other stream about that as well. But so anyway, that's the point of 1896 02:40:13,799 --> 02:40:16,399 this stream, that's the point of the topics that we're talking about here. 1897 02:40:18,600 --> 02:40:20,840 Thank you guys in the chat. I want to remind you guys to head 1898 02:40:20,840 --> 02:40:24,440 on over to chalk dot com if you want to desoy yourself. One of 1899 02:40:24,440 --> 02:40:31,440 the ways to do that is to change your diet and also change your activities. 1900 02:40:31,719 --> 02:40:35,479 Change your modus operanda for how you operate in the world, and that 1901 02:40:35,520 --> 02:40:41,040 means getting in the gym. That means, yeah, go get your Planet 1902 02:40:41,120 --> 02:40:45,120 Fitness membership. Or whatever, or if you have a local gym you need 1903 02:40:45,159 --> 02:40:48,000 to. It's time to step out of the soy domain, get off the 1904 02:40:48,000 --> 02:40:50,959 internet, get in the gym. 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We're all about getting 1924 02:41:58,840 --> 02:42:03,520 in the gym. We're all about getting it as. It doesn't have to 1925 02:42:03,520 --> 02:42:07,200 be the gem. If your thing is uh, you know, running, 1926 02:42:07,319 --> 02:42:11,040 you know whatever, that's fine. It's just time for dudes to be dudes, 1927 02:42:11,399 --> 02:42:15,479 to get more of that warrior mindset. I know that's kind of like 1928 02:42:15,479 --> 02:42:18,040 a corny that sounds like a corny life coach type of thing, right, 1929 02:42:18,079 --> 02:42:26,040 but but seriously, like guys have not they've lost the idea of what dudes 1930 02:42:26,040 --> 02:42:28,760 have traditionally been involved in, right, And so the people are pretending, 1931 02:42:28,879 --> 02:42:33,600 now, well, I'm I'm I'm a Twitter monastic, so I shouldn't be 1932 02:42:33,639 --> 02:42:37,639 concerned with starting a business or or look, most of us are not gonna 1933 02:42:37,639 --> 02:42:39,360 be monastics, okay, And if you're not gonna be a monastic, then 1934 02:42:39,760 --> 02:42:46,840 you're gonna be involved in masculine activities. That means starting a business, that 1935 02:42:46,920 --> 02:42:50,360 means getting in shape, that means that kind of stuff. Okay, so 1936 02:42:50,399 --> 02:42:56,319 it's time to stop being lazy and using excuses to avoid being a man. 1937 02:42:58,440 --> 02:43:03,280 It's that simple men control their emotions, they control their passions. They're not 1938 02:43:03,360 --> 02:43:09,600 guided by their emotions. They don't just emotively react. And I admit that. 1939 02:43:09,719 --> 02:43:13,280 Yeah, sometimes in debates I've lost my temper, but those are few 1940 02:43:13,280 --> 02:43:16,360 and far between in the hundreds and hundreds of hours of debates that we've done. 1941 02:43:16,000 --> 02:43:20,479 Now, FDA is in the chat. Would you like to mention I 1942 02:43:20,520 --> 02:43:22,840 don't know if you're if you're able to speak, do you have any comments 1943 02:43:24,120 --> 02:43:28,959 FDA about like what it means to be a spiritual father? That there's there's 1944 02:43:30,000 --> 02:43:33,079 certain rules and parameters for that. If you do want to hop on, 1945 02:43:35,280 --> 02:43:41,399 you're welcome to that. Being clergy obviously you could speak to that better than 1946 02:43:41,440 --> 02:43:43,680 I could. But you know, if you if you can't come on, 1947 02:43:43,799 --> 02:43:48,559 that's fine. I'll add you as a speaker. I did put up this 1948 02:43:48,719 --> 02:43:52,239 article again, if you guys want to see the article that I shared, 1949 02:43:52,559 --> 02:43:58,440 Thirteen obstacles to becoming a priest. How you doing FDA? Hey, Hey, 1950 02:43:58,719 --> 02:44:03,799 come, bless you guys, Christ who is baptized in the Jordan, 1951 02:44:05,040 --> 02:44:11,639 sanctify our lives and blessed peace to all of you. Yeah, I think 1952 02:44:11,680 --> 02:44:18,319 we should do a talk with Father John and just because he's on participate too 1953 02:44:18,360 --> 02:44:24,000 and kind of go over these this stuff sometimes. But I thought his and 1954 02:44:24,040 --> 02:44:33,200 I appreciated that you posted the article there about impediments thirteen obstacles to becoming a 1955 02:44:33,239 --> 02:44:41,319 priest. I talked with Father Russell and some of the prisoners today after Theophany 1956 02:44:41,399 --> 02:44:46,440 the Liturgy of Theophany for Theophany, and we discussed this and there was even 1957 02:44:46,440 --> 02:44:50,840 a retired priest there too, that we're discussing some of the obstacles and what 1958 02:44:50,879 --> 02:44:56,319 it means to be a teacher and kind of continue this conversation even. Could 1959 02:44:56,360 --> 02:44:58,280 you comment on, just kind of in brief, some of the stuff that 1960 02:44:58,319 --> 02:45:03,639 you mentioned last night in that discord chat where you talked about how it's really 1961 02:45:03,719 --> 02:45:07,840 kind of an issue of qualification, right, not everybody is qualified to do 1962 02:45:09,000 --> 02:45:13,639 every kind of job, and so the temptation is to shortcut. Could you 1963 02:45:13,639 --> 02:45:18,799 speak to that. Yeah, And I think too that you know, on 1964 02:45:18,840 --> 02:45:22,319 the catechisis continuing an education class. I talked about what it means to enter 1965 02:45:22,319 --> 02:45:26,639 into the church, that we're in the world, but not of the world. 1966 02:45:26,680 --> 02:45:31,760 We're putting the secular world behind, and we're changing our way of thinking 1967 02:45:33,719 --> 02:45:37,360 now. The secondar world says that son you go for you get your goal, 1968 02:45:37,399 --> 02:45:41,959 and you go for it. You determine what you want. And notice 1969 02:45:41,000 --> 02:45:46,719 it's always about do what makes you feel happy, put yourself first, be 1970 02:45:46,840 --> 02:45:52,840 successful, see you at the top kind of thing where you make you determine 1971 02:45:52,879 --> 02:45:56,920 your own kind of reality, secular kind of life. Coaching kind of tells 1972 02:45:56,959 --> 02:46:01,360 you this too. Right when we enter into the church, we put away 1973 02:46:01,399 --> 02:46:07,200 those things and we're no longer the masters of our own lives. You know. 1974 02:46:07,239 --> 02:46:13,000 Scripture says you can't serve two masters. And so one of the things 1975 02:46:13,040 --> 02:46:16,680 that we realize in you and I have talked about this too, is just 1976 02:46:16,920 --> 02:46:22,959 the whole notion of virtue, epistemology, virtue ethics, and the notion of 1977 02:46:22,000 --> 02:46:28,360 press too, that we enter in as if we're entering at a rehab program, 1978 02:46:28,399 --> 02:46:31,760 and it is I've made a mess of my life and it's no longer 1979 02:46:31,799 --> 02:46:37,760 manageable by my way, and so you have the incarnational community of your parish 1980 02:46:37,959 --> 02:46:43,239 and your priest to kind of guide you. And we know we're in presst 1981 02:46:43,399 --> 02:46:48,680 We know we can't see things correctly about where we're supposed to go in life 1982 02:46:48,719 --> 02:46:54,200 and stuff like this, and so look, there's nothing wrong with wanting to, 1983 02:46:54,040 --> 02:46:58,399 let's say, be a teacher or pursue the priesthood or something like that. 1984 02:47:01,040 --> 02:47:05,760 But ultimately there's a prescribed way of doing that, and it's under your 1985 02:47:05,760 --> 02:47:09,520 priest, and it's under your bishop, and we're the one Holy Catholic and 1986 02:47:09,559 --> 02:47:20,399 Apostolic Church. We talked about this last night at Apostolic Apostolos sent the ones 1987 02:47:20,399 --> 02:47:24,920 who are sent, all are called, few are chosen. Does a scripture 1988 02:47:24,959 --> 02:47:35,879 say that? And so those who have acquired more virtue are in a position 1989 02:47:37,120 --> 02:47:41,120 to you know, if you express an interest, well, they look at 1990 02:47:41,159 --> 02:47:45,120 you, they know you. You've been going to confession, you've been doing 1991 02:47:45,159 --> 02:47:48,079 these things, and so a priest might just be honest with you and be 1992 02:47:48,120 --> 02:47:52,000 like, hey, I don't think this is the path for you. But 1993 02:47:52,040 --> 02:47:54,520 what we don't do is prescribed is we'll all determine it. I'll do it 1994 02:47:54,559 --> 02:47:58,520 by myself, And I talked about that tonight too. It's the same way 1995 02:47:58,520 --> 02:48:09,159 that we read theology too. We don't read theology and platonic abstract world, 1996 02:48:09,879 --> 02:48:16,920 but incarnationally in terms of those who are more virtuous, who can guide us. 1997 02:48:16,040 --> 02:48:20,920 And so the retort we often hear to this and then I'll let you 1998 02:48:20,000 --> 02:48:24,440 address this common report is uh, oh, why are you trying to be 1999 02:48:24,479 --> 02:48:28,680 a gatekeeper. I'm a twenty two year old convert. I've been reading the 2000 02:48:28,719 --> 02:48:31,719 Canons. I can spam quote on Twitter what the canons are. And you 2001 02:48:31,799 --> 02:48:35,840 don't want me to help people and tell them the truth because you're a gatekeeper. 2002 02:48:37,920 --> 02:48:43,760 Yeah. Amen, Yeah, we need gatekeepers, rightkeeper. And we 2003 02:48:43,840 --> 02:48:48,000 talked about this last night too. It's just a Western kind of Protestant mentality. 2004 02:48:48,200 --> 02:48:58,879 Yeah, well, I like gatekeeping in order and uh yeah, there's 2005 02:48:58,920 --> 02:49:01,399 walls and gates around my house and my property. There's supposed to be a 2006 02:49:01,520 --> 02:49:07,000 wall at the border to protect our nation, but in the religious realm, 2007 02:49:07,040 --> 02:49:11,399 no, there's no there's no barbs, right, So it's like, uh, 2008 02:49:13,040 --> 02:49:20,319 you're you're at the border agent and you pull out an anonymous passport. 2009 02:49:22,200 --> 02:49:26,600 Well, hey, look, obviously I know everything about whatever you need me 2010 02:49:26,719 --> 02:49:31,159 to say. Just let me through, right, Why is there even like 2011 02:49:31,200 --> 02:49:35,159 a gatekeeper and border patrol agent here at all. Right, you just kind 2012 02:49:35,159 --> 02:49:39,399 of control me what's the good order? Now? Of course, obviously we 2013 02:49:39,440 --> 02:49:46,000 can see when this is abused, just like authority in general. Right, 2014 02:49:46,319 --> 02:49:50,879 But remember all these things, these terms, these concepts, these words are 2015 02:49:50,920 --> 02:49:58,920 situated in paradigms. So it's not that the words are the principles are bad 2016 02:50:00,319 --> 02:50:05,280 in themselves, but it's in that which in which they're situated. Yeah, 2017 02:50:05,319 --> 02:50:11,239 and informed. If it's a bad paradigm, bad authority ends up being bad. 2018 02:50:11,280 --> 02:50:15,000 This is kind of our critique of Roman Catholicism, right, right. 2019 02:50:15,040 --> 02:50:18,079 So it's not a question of like, oh, authority itself should be worshiped. 2020 02:50:18,079 --> 02:50:22,719 It's all about just the authority. It's rather that there's a there's a 2021 02:50:22,719 --> 02:50:26,079 harmonization, a synthesis of all these things. Right, So it's not like, 2022 02:50:26,479 --> 02:50:28,440 so do you believe in the Bible or do you believe in church tradition, 2023 02:50:28,559 --> 02:50:33,000 in canon law and the councils and the Father. All those things kind 2024 02:50:33,000 --> 02:50:37,520 of work together. And so when in a lot of the say Protestantism or 2025 02:50:37,559 --> 02:50:41,639 Roman Catholicism, you have like it swings over into it being all about that 2026 02:50:41,719 --> 02:50:43,920 one thing. Oh, it's all about the pope and what he says. 2027 02:50:43,920 --> 02:50:46,200 Oh no, no, it's all about the Bible and what I interpret the 2028 02:50:46,200 --> 02:50:48,520 Bible to be and this and that, and I think, you know, 2029 02:50:48,000 --> 02:50:52,000 Father Moses has hopped on and I want to ask him what he thinks, 2030 02:50:52,079 --> 02:50:56,319 because you know, I've sat down and listened to him give his assessment of 2031 02:50:56,360 --> 02:50:58,920 this. And he made a really good point on a chat that he had 2032 02:51:00,159 --> 02:51:03,040 with David Patrick Harry a few months ago, where he was saying, look, 2033 02:51:03,559 --> 02:51:07,280 what's happening is that on the one hand, it's good that a lot 2034 02:51:07,360 --> 02:51:11,639 of people are seeing and hearing about Orthodoxy getting interested. But what's happening is 2035 02:51:11,639 --> 02:51:15,520 that they're not going to the church and getting the healing, and they're just 2036 02:51:15,559 --> 02:51:20,239 sort of like spurging out online. And I totally agree with that critique. 2037 02:51:20,280 --> 02:51:26,520 And I agree too that like, inadvertently we might have actually participated in that 2038 02:51:26,639 --> 02:51:28,840 happening, not on purpose, not to like, oh I want to set 2039 02:51:28,920 --> 02:51:35,000 up an internet Sperga Army. No, it's like people get their information from 2040 02:51:35,079 --> 02:51:39,440 the internet, they live on the Internet, and then it sort of regurgitates 2041 02:51:39,479 --> 02:51:43,920 in their life to where then everything is about like, oh, well, 2042 02:51:43,959 --> 02:51:48,200 I live my Orthodoxy out on the Internet. But it's all wrongheaded because for 2043 02:51:48,239 --> 02:51:50,440 example, a person wants to be a priest, they want to be a 2044 02:51:50,440 --> 02:51:52,479 teacher or whatever, like, you have to go to the actual local Orthodox 2045 02:51:52,520 --> 02:52:01,879 church and go through that process. Right the priest choose experience and Father Moses 2046 02:52:01,879 --> 02:52:05,440 can jump on and talk about this too, is the best position to be 2047 02:52:05,559 --> 02:52:13,360 able to especially if there the person's in confession and discussion with the priest to 2048 02:52:13,559 --> 02:52:18,399 know, do you have certain kind of vices that would prevent you or maybe 2049 02:52:18,399 --> 02:52:22,959 you need to spend more time and turning in the faith before you go on 2050 02:52:22,079 --> 02:52:28,840 to not even positions possibly like going to to seminaries and possibly be in clergy, 2051 02:52:28,840 --> 02:52:31,840 but like maybe other positions too. You know, you and I talked 2052 02:52:31,840 --> 02:52:37,840 about what if you spend your time in doing cons and stuff like that, 2053 02:52:37,000 --> 02:52:39,559 like a con man that converted, You're not going to put him in charge 2054 02:52:39,559 --> 02:52:46,600 of the church treasury, right, Father good, good to have you on 2055 02:52:46,680 --> 02:52:52,719 here, blessed Dteny and yeah, yeah for us to come, I think, 2056 02:52:52,840 --> 02:52:56,239 like, yeah, one of the things that Jay was just saying about 2057 02:52:56,520 --> 02:53:03,000 the talk that I had with Kennwy was, you know, historically when people 2058 02:53:05,159 --> 02:53:09,399 set about doing theological work, the first however long you want to say, 2059 02:53:09,399 --> 02:53:16,719 it was five, ten, fifteen plus years. Was just all about purifying 2060 02:53:16,760 --> 02:53:20,840 the news. It was all about purification. I mean, we have this 2061 02:53:20,959 --> 02:53:28,600 system purification, illumination, deification. It wasn't until they had reached a point 2062 02:53:28,280 --> 02:53:33,399 of illumination of deification that they would really write or even talk about these things. 2063 02:53:35,040 --> 02:53:37,920 You know. A kind of perfect example of that, and you could 2064 02:53:37,000 --> 02:53:41,959 say is when you look at the writings of Saint Gregory Paula Moss. You 2065 02:53:41,959 --> 02:53:50,760 know, Saint Gregory was gifted with an acute intellect and an ability to communicate 2066 02:53:50,399 --> 02:53:56,360 that honestly probably was really far beyond what the other monks were able to do. 2067 02:53:56,600 --> 02:54:03,520 Right. That was his particular gifting was that he was given not just 2068 02:54:03,559 --> 02:54:07,440 the purified news, but he was also given an incredible intellect, right, 2069 02:54:07,479 --> 02:54:11,840 I mean the guy obviously you had a very high IQ, as we would 2070 02:54:11,879 --> 02:54:16,040 say today. Right. But you can see on his writings when he defends 2071 02:54:16,079 --> 02:54:22,840 hes Achasm against Barlam. When he writes those letters in defensive Hesechasm. It's 2072 02:54:22,920 --> 02:54:28,879 signed by the abbots of the monasteries on Mount Athos, you know, and 2073 02:54:28,879 --> 02:54:31,879 the signatures are really funny. I can't remember one of them was like Theophilis, 2074 02:54:33,159 --> 02:54:35,879 who may be a hes a cast, you know, like everybody's very 2075 02:54:37,079 --> 02:54:43,719 self deprecating and humble in their approach. But he was chosen not just because 2076 02:54:43,719 --> 02:54:48,000 he had seen the uncreated light, because I think it's very clear from the 2077 02:54:48,040 --> 02:54:52,799 document that a lot of the fathers on Athos had seen the uncreated light. 2078 02:54:52,239 --> 02:54:58,600 He was chosen because both he had sent the uncreated light, the fathers knew 2079 02:54:58,639 --> 02:55:03,280 that he was purified, and he was articulate, right, So it's a 2080 02:55:03,280 --> 02:55:05,079 combination of those things. I don't know if you guys remember, but in 2081 02:55:05,120 --> 02:55:13,040 the book, I know a man in Christ with you know, Saint Sophroni 2082 02:55:13,319 --> 02:55:18,360 and his conversations with Metropolitan Protheos Wacos, And there's a point in there. 2083 02:55:18,680 --> 02:55:22,079 I could probably scroll through and find the quote right now, but he basically 2084 02:55:22,200 --> 02:55:28,399 Herotheos asks Sophrony. Now think about think about the position that Herotheos was in. 2085 02:55:28,639 --> 02:55:33,040 He wasn't a metropolitan at the time. I believe he was either a 2086 02:55:33,040 --> 02:55:39,319 deacon or a priest. But he had spent all this time studying, you 2087 02:55:39,319 --> 02:55:41,479 know, in university. I think he had his PhD at the time. 2088 02:55:41,920 --> 02:55:46,920 I mean, he was so incredibly well versed in the Fathers. You know, 2089 02:55:46,000 --> 02:55:50,399 he grew up in the church, right, so he's great Orthodoxy. 2090 02:55:50,840 --> 02:55:56,239 He probably had thirty years of Orthodoxy. And when he talks to Saint Sophroni, 2091 02:55:56,280 --> 02:55:58,959 he asked him, like, what do you think about what I'm writing? 2092 02:56:00,399 --> 02:56:05,159 And Saint Sophoni's response is like, it's good. It's just very basic 2093 02:56:05,520 --> 02:56:09,600 and it's so funny and so telling that people, you know, think, 2094 02:56:09,959 --> 02:56:16,559 oh, Herotheos like knows so much. Well, Herotheos didn't have the experience 2095 02:56:16,600 --> 02:56:22,680 that Saint Sophroni did. In fact, Saint Sophroni in the book counsels Herotheos 2096 02:56:22,760 --> 02:56:26,360 and says, if you actually want to know what you're writing about, because 2097 02:56:28,120 --> 02:56:35,079 Herotheos's approach is scholastic, it's intellectual. And Saint Sophroni says to him, 2098 02:56:35,639 --> 02:56:39,120 I will set you up with the place. I think it was in Krulia, 2099 02:56:39,520 --> 02:56:43,920 which is also called dread Crulia, which is one of the most athetic 2100 02:56:43,959 --> 02:56:48,280 austere locations on Mount Ethos. And he said, I will set you up 2101 02:56:48,319 --> 02:56:54,040 there and you can go live in obedience. And having lived basically in obedience, 2102 02:56:54,079 --> 02:56:58,520 you can experience and actually know the things that you're talking about, and 2103 02:57:00,319 --> 02:57:03,559 that I would say is one of the fundamental differences between the East and West, 2104 02:57:05,079 --> 02:57:09,600 is that for us in the East, to know about something is to 2105 02:57:09,680 --> 02:57:13,559 have experienced it, right. I mean, that's like, it's one of 2106 02:57:13,559 --> 02:57:18,920 the reasons Jay, don't I don't take issue with your theological teaching because you're 2107 02:57:18,959 --> 02:57:22,879 not trying to build on the Fathers. You're trying to take what the Father's 2108 02:57:22,920 --> 02:57:31,360 saying and articulate it in a way that's accessible for people. But we I 2109 02:57:31,440 --> 02:57:35,040 think we often kind of lose sight of the fact. And I think a 2110 02:57:35,079 --> 02:57:41,680 lot of people kind of coming to Orthodoxy have this very scholastic approach as if 2111 02:57:41,959 --> 02:57:46,360 they can understand the Church Fathers because you know, they've read them for a 2112 02:57:46,479 --> 02:57:52,159 year or two and there's so many levels, and I'm sure you're familiar with 2113 02:57:52,200 --> 02:57:56,360 this. It's like even in my even in my like I've been Orthodox seventeen 2114 02:57:56,440 --> 02:58:03,120 years. So I was Orthodox for a little over three years, I think, 2115 02:58:03,239 --> 02:58:07,000 or just about three years, and then I went to seminary. Then 2116 02:58:07,040 --> 02:58:09,799 I was in seminary for three years. Then I was ordained it when I 2117 02:58:09,879 --> 02:58:15,239 graduated seminary, and now I've been a priest for ten years. This will 2118 02:58:15,280 --> 02:58:18,280 be my eleventh year coming up, and I go, man, you know, 2119 02:58:20,000 --> 02:58:22,200 I read some books before I went to seminary. Then I went to 2120 02:58:22,280 --> 02:58:30,079 seminary and was reading essentially on top of what I was even studying in seminary, 2121 02:58:30,840 --> 02:58:35,120 and then coming out of it and becoming a priest, and then studying 2122 02:58:35,120 --> 02:58:37,280 for a few years on my own, and now ten years later, it's 2123 02:58:37,360 --> 02:58:43,479 like, man, you can't trade time. It takes so much time to 2124 02:58:43,639 --> 02:58:50,000 understand even the historical context and wish the Saints for writing and how they were 2125 02:58:50,040 --> 02:58:56,000 affected by things and how I'm not saying that there's problems in the Saints, 2126 02:58:56,399 --> 02:59:01,200 but the Saints are contextual, know, and you have to understand them. 2127 02:59:01,239 --> 02:59:07,840 And sometimes those contextualities are peculiar, you know, like the whole baptism controversy 2128 02:59:07,879 --> 02:59:13,600 where people weren't being baptized until later in life because they were afraid of defiling 2129 02:59:13,639 --> 02:59:18,280 the baptism right. And so like you have, you have weird peculiarities that 2130 02:59:18,360 --> 02:59:22,200 pop up in the church that are sorted out, but then you have to 2131 02:59:22,239 --> 02:59:28,319 look and understand how there are certain things that are said within that context that 2132 02:59:28,479 --> 02:59:33,239 don't necessarily follow, you know, the historical line of the church. The 2133 02:59:33,280 --> 02:59:39,239 same thing was like, Father, would you say so you know, I 2134 02:59:39,239 --> 02:59:46,000 always talk to people that Orthodoxy has kind of what's a virtue of pistemology? 2135 02:59:46,600 --> 02:59:52,879 Now in philosophy and ethics, you know, everybody wants these formulas, and 2136 02:59:52,000 --> 02:59:58,079 formulas seem really nice to people because everybody has access to them. I just 2137 02:59:58,159 --> 03:00:05,200 put in the stuff and I get the outcome here and with moral issues, 2138 03:00:05,760 --> 03:00:11,040 and this will eventually tie it even to knowledge too. Life's not like that. 2139 03:00:11,120 --> 03:00:16,639 I would certainly say, like with Orthodoxy, it's acquiring. It's the 2140 03:00:16,680 --> 03:00:24,159 hard work acquiring virtues through the experience that gives you the kind of insight. 2141 03:00:24,399 --> 03:00:30,680 So there's no patent answer on this, like you have to yeah or I'm 2142 03:00:30,799 --> 03:00:35,200 conscious in look, And that's maybe why these things there's these particularities, peculiarities 2143 03:00:35,200 --> 03:00:45,559 that pop up, But it's the one who's acquired the advanced virtues that answers. 2144 03:00:45,600 --> 03:00:52,520 And I think that really makes people who are suffering from pride upset because 2145 03:00:52,559 --> 03:00:56,159 they want to level playing field. I want to be at the top. 2146 03:00:56,200 --> 03:00:58,920 And Jay and I talked about this too, that you know, the devil 2147 03:01:00,159 --> 03:01:07,840 first temptation was to promise the knowledge of God with a shortcut, and I 2148 03:01:07,879 --> 03:01:11,120 think that it can all be presented to us that, well, shouldn't you 2149 03:01:11,159 --> 03:01:13,719 just be able to like go to the books and just read this stuff. 2150 03:01:13,040 --> 03:01:18,680 You know, the hard work is the perseverance and the diligence and acquiring virtue 2151 03:01:18,760 --> 03:01:26,040 and the experience in that and all the various things that would allow you to 2152 03:01:26,079 --> 03:01:28,040 have the kind of nuance to be like, well in this situation, No, 2153 03:01:28,239 --> 03:01:31,280 in this situation. Yes, anyways, I was just I was thinking 2154 03:01:31,280 --> 03:01:33,840 about them. Maybe thought you could add to that. Well, yeah, 2155 03:01:33,840 --> 03:01:37,319 I think I think there's two things with that that I would say, Like 2156 03:01:37,440 --> 03:01:41,319 Number one is we live in a culture, right, that is a rule 2157 03:01:41,360 --> 03:01:46,079 of law. That's our culture. And when people read the canons, this 2158 03:01:46,159 --> 03:01:50,280 is a perfect example they read the cannons, is if the cannons are rule 2159 03:01:50,319 --> 03:01:56,239 of law, meaning like in America, if you get caught with and also 2160 03:01:56,319 --> 03:02:01,239 cocaine, there is a mandatory minimum sentence for that, okay, And so 2161 03:02:01,280 --> 03:02:07,079 if you're feeling guilty of cocaine possession, you are basically punished Accordingly, The 2162 03:02:07,200 --> 03:02:11,879 problem is that people didn't go to the Canons of the Church, which are 2163 03:02:13,399 --> 03:02:18,159 they're not relativistic in what is right and wrong. What they are is they 2164 03:02:18,200 --> 03:02:26,000 are contextualized twofold they're contextualized within history, and second of all, they are 2165 03:02:28,479 --> 03:02:35,079 recommendations. Okay, so somebody, like somebody reads Satan Nakodamas, right, 2166 03:02:35,440 --> 03:02:39,120 And I don't know who the priest was, but it's funny because this was 2167 03:02:39,399 --> 03:02:43,360 there was a video recently where this priest put out. I didn't have a 2168 03:02:43,440 --> 03:02:46,520 chance to respond to it. And again it's just a disagreement, but he 2169 03:02:46,639 --> 03:02:52,760 said something like everyone should read Saint Nakota Mias's Manual of Confession. I remember 2170 03:02:52,920 --> 03:02:56,760 reading it during seminary and it was so heavy. I mean, I felt 2171 03:02:56,760 --> 03:03:01,239 like I was going to fall into despair. I called my spiritual mother, 2172 03:03:01,760 --> 03:03:05,959 and she's a real spiritual I mean, she's a real whatever you want to 2173 03:03:05,000 --> 03:03:09,200 call it, eldris whatever, she's she's the law. She's the I think, 2174 03:03:09,319 --> 03:03:13,959 oldest living, longest living monastic in this country. She's been a monastic 2175 03:03:13,959 --> 03:03:18,200 for over fifty years, I think at this point. Okay, so it's 2176 03:03:18,239 --> 03:03:22,680 not like and she's cradle Orthodox and blah blah blah blah blah. You know, 2177 03:03:22,799 --> 03:03:26,799 and her spiritual father wasn't saint. And I remember asking her and I 2178 03:03:26,840 --> 03:03:30,319 said, Mother, I'm reading Saint Nakotamus. I'm like, it is so 2179 03:03:30,520 --> 03:03:33,399 heavy. I don't know what to do with it. And she said, 2180 03:03:33,680 --> 03:03:39,520 oh, I don't let any of the sisters read it. And I said 2181 03:03:39,559 --> 03:03:43,239 really. She says, oh yeah, it's like it's too much. And 2182 03:03:43,280 --> 03:03:45,120 I said, what about me? She was like, well, you're going 2183 03:03:45,200 --> 03:03:48,840 to be a priest. She's like, you have to read it. And 2184 03:03:48,920 --> 03:03:54,559 so it's so interesting because you know when you read someone like Saint Nakotamus and 2185 03:03:54,600 --> 03:04:00,959 he says, okay, you know whatever. I can't remember the exactly because 2186 03:04:00,959 --> 03:04:03,840 they just remember them in generalities. But let's say you take something like, 2187 03:04:05,799 --> 03:04:09,479 by the way, I'm out of breath because I'm been carrying a baby. 2188 03:04:09,479 --> 03:04:13,120 I got a baby on me right now. It's a huge fatty so I'm 2189 03:04:13,159 --> 03:04:16,040 like huffing and puffing as I'm like carrying them on for you. It's been 2190 03:04:16,120 --> 03:04:22,520 like a couple hours anyway. So she's talking about Saint Nicotabus is talking about 2191 03:04:22,520 --> 03:04:26,440 something like, let's say masturbation, and he's like, you know, somebody 2192 03:04:26,479 --> 03:04:28,000 masturbates. I can't remember what the penance is. Let's say it's like one 2193 03:04:28,079 --> 03:04:31,440 hundred days or something, or one hundred and twenty days. And then he's 2194 03:04:31,520 --> 03:04:37,840 like, but if they're willing to fast until the third hour and do like 2195 03:04:37,879 --> 03:04:43,079 one hundred prostrations a day and only eat dry food. Then give them a 2196 03:04:43,120 --> 03:04:52,000 forty day penance. It's like it's like there's nobody, there's like nobody in 2197 03:04:52,040 --> 03:04:58,920 the church today who like loves great Let like that. Let alone somebody who 2198 03:05:00,120 --> 03:05:05,399 converts, you know, in their whatever, late teens, early twenties, 2199 03:05:05,440 --> 03:05:11,799 mid twenties. Who's now I give every I give penances. So this is 2200 03:05:11,799 --> 03:05:16,760 not that I don't give penances. And I certainly give penances for watching pornography 2201 03:05:16,799 --> 03:05:24,040 and whatnot because destroys a person's soul. But the degree to which Saint Nakotamus 2202 03:05:24,239 --> 03:05:33,319 is talking is not feasible, you know, the application of those penances. 2203 03:05:33,959 --> 03:05:37,799 It's it's it's not feasible. And you actually see this in the in the 2204 03:05:37,840 --> 03:05:41,760 Life of Saint Portfidio so called Sokallevia, right, it says that after he 2205 03:05:41,879 --> 03:05:46,760 leaves Mount Athos, he goes to the world and he starts hearing confessions, 2206 03:05:46,879 --> 03:05:52,920 and all he has is Saint Nacodamus's book on confessions. And so somebody comes 2207 03:05:52,920 --> 03:05:54,319 the're like, oh I had pre middle sex and like, okay, ten 2208 03:05:54,399 --> 03:05:58,879 years without communion. He's just giving a great out the book, right, 2209 03:06:00,680 --> 03:06:05,760 and it says that he's like traveling, he comes back there like a year 2210 03:06:05,840 --> 03:06:09,479 later or something. Okay, Now that doesn't say exactly what the penances were. 2211 03:06:09,600 --> 03:06:13,680 It just says that he gave them right out of the book. So, 2212 03:06:13,879 --> 03:06:16,719 I mean, these are really strict penances. And he says he comes 2213 03:06:16,719 --> 03:06:20,239 back a year later and he's talking to the people. He's like, how 2214 03:06:20,280 --> 03:06:24,559 have you been. They're like, okay, have you been going to church? 2215 03:06:24,799 --> 03:06:28,559 Somebody's like, I have gone to church in a year and he's like 2216 03:06:28,639 --> 03:06:31,559 why not. He's like, well, you told me I couldn't commune for 2217 03:06:31,680 --> 03:06:35,079 this like super long period of time, so like, what's the point you've 2218 03:06:35,079 --> 03:06:41,520 ben going to church? And then he realized it was the application that was 2219 03:06:41,639 --> 03:06:46,840 necessary, right, and that took discernment and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. 2220 03:06:46,520 --> 03:06:52,120 So I hope that kind of answers without like, we never want to 2221 03:06:54,200 --> 03:06:58,520 relativize. We're not relativizing morality. What we're saying is the church is a 2222 03:06:58,559 --> 03:07:03,040 hospital, and in the hospital there's medicine that has to be given to the 2223 03:07:03,079 --> 03:07:09,920 people. And quite frankly, when somebody's new, they have no clue. 2224 03:07:09,600 --> 03:07:15,399 I mean, I mean, the reality is outside of a priest. I 2225 03:07:15,440 --> 03:07:18,239 mean, people have a lot of times no clue what's even going on in 2226 03:07:18,280 --> 03:07:24,319 the church. They don't know what other people are struggling with in their marriages, 2227 03:07:24,200 --> 03:07:28,760 in their private life, you know what I mean. They just don't 2228 03:07:28,799 --> 03:07:33,040 even know where to understand these things. And yet they have all kinds of 2229 03:07:33,079 --> 03:07:37,799 wild opinions on how people should be and what people should do. I mean, 2230 03:07:37,840 --> 03:07:39,680 you know, you and I talked about this, and I don't want 2231 03:07:39,680 --> 03:07:43,879 to go down a rabbit hole, but like there was whatever that flare up 2232 03:07:43,719 --> 03:07:50,959 on Twitter recently about marital fasting, and it's like like, like this is 2233 03:07:52,079 --> 03:07:58,520 people who have zero idea of actually dealing with people. Yeah, like they 2234 03:08:00,680 --> 03:08:07,040 not heard confessions. And that's what's great about Father Russell. And when you 2235 03:08:07,120 --> 03:08:09,239 come up here, you'll meet him and you'll know, like Father Turbo said 2236 03:08:09,239 --> 03:08:15,200 the same thing, but like this guy's the real deal, and it's because 2237 03:08:15,239 --> 03:08:18,520 he knows people, he knows what works, and he always says with regardless 2238 03:08:18,520 --> 03:08:24,000 of the cannons and all this stuff, it's not a statutory it's a therapeutic. 2239 03:08:26,639 --> 03:08:31,600 And everybody's in the statutory mindset and they think they're like, oh, 2240 03:08:31,600 --> 03:08:35,319 I'm going to compromise if I don't follow the rules and different stuff like that. 2241 03:08:35,559 --> 03:08:39,639 I mean, I don't even think we need to make it that complicated. 2242 03:08:39,680 --> 03:08:43,719 It's like, does that system and model work doesn't make people better? 2243 03:08:45,600 --> 03:08:48,120 It doesn't it. Just like you point out Father with this thing, Well 2244 03:08:48,159 --> 03:08:54,239 look how he applied and the people weren't even going to church, right, 2245 03:08:54,600 --> 03:08:58,200 all the clergy just we want you to become more than you are and to 2246 03:08:58,239 --> 03:09:03,360 become better, to be healed, and so you've got to kind of take 2247 03:09:03,360 --> 03:09:05,959 on that mindset. I think it's pretty easy just to look at the kind 2248 03:09:07,000 --> 03:09:13,239 of products and the effects, what's working well ratter and acquire more virtues and 2249 03:09:13,239 --> 03:09:18,319 be healed and even and like when we use that reference, it's Saint Poorfideos. 2250 03:09:18,000 --> 03:09:22,159 I mean he's one of the greatest saints of like the last five hundred 2251 03:09:22,280 --> 03:09:28,520 years. I mean the grace that he experienced was like almost like virtually limitless. 2252 03:09:28,559 --> 03:09:31,639 I mean, Sant Paisio said, my spiritual television is in black and 2253 03:09:31,680 --> 03:09:37,600 white. Porfidios is in color. I mean Saint Porfidio saw the entire Book 2254 03:09:37,600 --> 03:09:43,159 of Revelation in the cave on Patmos, right, Like this is it's not 2255 03:09:43,239 --> 03:09:48,040 like Saint Poor Videos was not a heavy hitter saint. I mean he's he's 2256 03:09:48,159 --> 03:09:54,000 literally like one of the greatest saints in the history of the church. And 2257 03:09:54,079 --> 03:10:00,840 even he as a new priest, made mistakes, you know, and and 2258 03:10:01,040 --> 03:10:05,280 had to learn, you know, through trial and error and through working with 2259 03:10:05,399 --> 03:10:09,120 people what actually worked right. There was an elder. There's an elder in 2260 03:10:09,200 --> 03:10:13,000 Russia. I think it was an elder in Russia. I think it was. 2261 03:10:13,280 --> 03:10:15,000 I don't think it was the same I think it was an elder. 2262 03:10:15,200 --> 03:10:16,360 It was a Greek elder. I can't remember me. He said something like 2263 03:10:16,920 --> 03:10:20,719 the same medicine given to the same person at two different times in their life 2264 03:10:22,120 --> 03:10:28,760 has dramatically different effects. And it's like if a person has cancer and you 2265 03:10:28,799 --> 03:10:31,719 give them chemo, it will make them well. But if they're well and 2266 03:10:31,760 --> 03:10:37,600 you give them chemo, it will make them sick. And so I think 2267 03:10:37,600 --> 03:10:43,200 that people forget that. It's not even just that, but like the saints 2268 03:10:43,200 --> 03:10:46,159 talk about, like the robustness of the person that you're dealing with, or 2269 03:10:46,200 --> 03:10:50,959 even here's another wild one that saints talk about. Our saint Nakotamus talks about 2270 03:10:52,000 --> 03:10:56,959 he says, he says for people who have a bunch of money. He's 2271 03:10:56,000 --> 03:11:01,760 like, give them basically stricter penances for eating. And then he says, 2272 03:11:01,799 --> 03:11:07,280 if somebody's poor, give them a penance that includes some financial stress. It's 2273 03:11:07,319 --> 03:11:11,159 so wild, you know, so uh, Like you think about this and 2274 03:11:11,159 --> 03:11:15,239 it's like they were. But even reading Saint Dakotamus, you know, he's 2275 03:11:15,479 --> 03:11:20,719 he's a master in his time. And who are the people that he's ministering 2276 03:11:20,719 --> 03:11:24,719 to, right, people that were steeped in Orthodoxy. They were people that 2277 03:11:24,799 --> 03:11:28,920 were born and raised and grew up in the church. And we're around elders 2278 03:11:30,280 --> 03:11:33,959 and we're around monastics in all of this, they had a formation, you 2279 03:11:35,000 --> 03:11:39,559 know in America. It's like it's not a joke. Like Father Turbo and 2280 03:11:39,600 --> 03:11:43,200 I were talking about this recently, Like it's not a joke that they call 2281 03:11:43,239 --> 03:11:48,159 it the Barbarian lands. You know, we don't. We were not raised 2282 03:11:48,200 --> 03:11:54,760 in a pious culture with pious holy people around us. You know, most 2283 03:11:54,760 --> 03:12:00,159 of us were raised by boomers that are like borderline like sociopaths, right, 2284 03:12:00,559 --> 03:12:09,280 and like the spirituality is super influenced by Calvinism, right, and other deplorable 2285 03:12:09,319 --> 03:12:13,479 theology that you know, how many people have come to Orthodoxy, and they're 2286 03:12:13,520 --> 03:12:18,360 like, they don't believe that. Really, they don't really believe that God 2287 03:12:18,479 --> 03:12:22,559 loves them. And it's like why, It's because they were Protestant before. 2288 03:12:22,319 --> 03:12:31,280 They understand the idea, but they don't really understand in their heart the love 2289 03:12:31,360 --> 03:12:35,719 of God and we say it all the time, the lover of mankind as 2290 03:12:37,000 --> 03:12:41,319 they want, they want to understand, but they don't understand it. Why 2291 03:12:41,399 --> 03:12:48,719 Because the Protestant God, right is often like you know, the blind watchmaker, 2292 03:12:48,120 --> 03:12:52,159 right, you know, he kind of sets things in motion, he 2293 03:12:52,319 --> 03:12:56,639 preordains things, he makes things happen. Hopefully you're Christian and they're to your 2294 03:12:56,639 --> 03:12:58,879 favor, and if you're not, you know, you're stuck out of lock. 2295 03:13:00,319 --> 03:13:03,239 Right, He's a tyrant. It's brutal. The Protestant God is very 2296 03:13:03,239 --> 03:13:11,079 brutal. I mean, he's more pagan than Christian obviously, So Father I 2297 03:13:11,120 --> 03:13:18,319 was thinking about like just like what you're saying, like trying to understand it 2298 03:13:18,399 --> 03:13:24,200 and not and I don't know. One of the most kind of important parts 2299 03:13:26,680 --> 03:13:37,440 of the liturgy and most impactful is when when you say the prayer right before 2300 03:13:37,479 --> 03:13:43,280 the reading of the Gospel, Lord Luminar hearts and bast lois Man kind of 2301 03:13:43,280 --> 03:13:46,639 with the pure light of the divine knowledge opened the eyes of our understanding that 2302 03:13:46,719 --> 03:13:50,079 we made. Yeah, that we made. Yeah, Yeah, that part 2303 03:13:50,399 --> 03:13:58,079 I almost tear up every single time that that we can approach these things. 2304 03:13:58,280 --> 03:14:01,879 You know, I was talking to what the prishoner today that I mean, 2305 03:14:01,920 --> 03:14:09,399 you think about the Ethiopian eunuch that couldn't understand what he's reading and needed somebody 2306 03:14:09,440 --> 03:14:15,159 interpret it, and Revelation says, but there is nobody, nobody could open 2307 03:14:15,200 --> 03:14:18,280 the scrolls except for Christ. And every time you say that prayer, Father, 2308 03:14:18,959 --> 03:14:24,000 I think about that that it's like all these things are just words. 2309 03:14:24,239 --> 03:14:30,079 And this is timing back to what Jay was saying. We can't just open 2310 03:14:30,159 --> 03:14:35,799 these books, even the fathers, and just read through them. So when 2311 03:14:35,840 --> 03:14:41,840 you say that prayer, it's in the context of calling the Holy Spirit down 2312 03:14:41,600 --> 03:14:46,200 and the grace of God to Illuminus and all the things that are going on 2313 03:14:46,319 --> 03:14:52,639 in the liturgy in incarnational trinitarian not by ourselves, not an abstract platonic world 2314 03:14:54,159 --> 03:15:01,360 in which the Holy Spirit works through all those pieces in a real community, 2315 03:15:01,520 --> 03:15:07,719 in a tangible, concrete, incarnational way. That is that now I can 2316 03:15:07,719 --> 03:15:11,399 get what it means God is a good God, he loves mankind. Let 2317 03:15:11,440 --> 03:15:16,079 me real quick, go ahead and just end the live stream here and then 2318 03:15:16,079 --> 03:15:20,479 we can continue the Twitter conversation. We did have a super chat from Majorian 2319 03:15:20,520 --> 03:15:22,799 for a hundred bocks, thank you so much. I will share these with 2320 03:15:22,879 --> 03:15:28,600 both the Father deigaan and Ias and Father Moses because they have popped on and 2321 03:15:28,639 --> 03:15:31,360 given us their wisdom and insight, and I always like to support the work 2322 03:15:31,399 --> 03:15:35,879 that they do. Majorian says, what is the counter argument to the reddit 2323 03:15:35,920 --> 03:15:41,520 tier take that Constantine was not a legitimate Christian and that he was a secret 2324 03:15:41,559 --> 03:15:46,520 Neoplatonists mystery cultist. Well, first, I would say that there's not any 2325 03:15:46,559 --> 03:15:50,719 evidence I'm aware of that he actually was a secret neoplatonist's mystery cultist. I 2326 03:15:50,719 --> 03:15:54,479 mean, he did postpone his baptism, as Father Moses talked about, but 2327 03:15:54,600 --> 03:16:00,319 that was because it was very popular at that time to postpone your back autism 2328 03:16:00,360 --> 03:16:01,680 because they didn't want to defile it. So, even though that didn't become 2329 03:16:01,719 --> 03:16:05,520 the norm for the rest of the church, a lot of people believe that, 2330 03:16:05,559 --> 03:16:09,399 and we don't fault them for believing that at that time, even though 2331 03:16:09,399 --> 03:16:16,079 it wasn't actually the correct attitude. So I think with Constantine, the answer 2332 03:16:16,120 --> 03:16:18,559 is that the Church accepted him as a Christian. So that doesn't mean that 2333 03:16:18,559 --> 03:16:24,000 everything he did was always christ like. I think that, you know, 2334 03:16:24,520 --> 03:16:28,280 but he was a genuine Christian. He has entered into our list of the 2335 03:16:28,319 --> 03:16:33,040 saints. I'm not actually sure why Roman Catholics don't believe Constantine was a saint, 2336 03:16:33,079 --> 03:16:37,360 but yeah, for the Orthodox, we definitely think he's a saint. 2337 03:16:37,000 --> 03:16:41,399 BMX nineteen sixty six says for five dollars forgot to mention, I have blessed 2338 03:16:41,440 --> 03:16:46,680 theoteny to you and Father Deacononius and also Father Moses. Thank you so much 2339 03:16:46,719 --> 03:16:50,760 for those I'm gonna go ahead and close the YouTube stream. A lot of 2340 03:16:50,799 --> 03:16:54,000 people can can keep discussing over on Twitter in that open space