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then the All right, what's up? Welcome another open forum. Initially,
we may get to some of the other World Economic Forum stuff here a little
bit. I want to go ahead and start the discussion with the Twitter stuff,
I guess, and I'll cover it in brief. I do want to
mention that I might also touch on some of the recent drama with other things
too, but that's not the main point of this discussion. Because it turns
out that Ibarra Ibarra tweeted at me today and he's ended my career. He's
ended my career because it turns out that both Ibarra and Lofton have banded together
to do their own freestyle rap and they clap back in the rap battle.
As you know, you've seen me and others impersonating doing some some rap battle
working and now we've got Barn loft and clapping back. If you don't know,
they formed a band and they've released this hot new track to set a
straight It's called All you Can Eat Side, Give Me Some Past Me and
Paso and some of my plate. Give me some sweet seddle, give me
give to butter and story dad. I love the woman, the food.
That's right, they made it. They made it. Clap when they clap
back. There's Erica Barr right there. There's Erica Barr right there at the
at the buffet. Oh you can eat making it clap back, Oh you
can heat. So anyway, they ended me right there. It's over.
I'm done. I'm retiring from the internet today. It's all over. And
look, look, how means mean? How dare him make a joke even
though hundreds of people were trashing Jay Dyer on Twitter all week? How dare
he make a joke about someone's weight, even though he's a KGB sorcerer,
demon scumbag, he's a Satanic emissary. But how dare he make a joke
about a chunky dude? Look, we're in a domain where nowadays, if
you make a joke, it's hate speech. If you debate people, that's
toxic masculinity. It's just things have gotten so crazy that anything becomes an excuse,
becomes a way to try to in a really slimy crying out while you
stab the person away, try to play the victim. Oh he I mean,
I don't even know exactly. It's still a mystery to me. What
exactly is the mean part? Like is it jokes? And you know,
we've had a lot of people over the last several years who, you know,
maybe they encountermine material through a debate or a blood sport thing, which
was not ever formal debates. First of all, right, I mean blood
sports stuff was just people getting on and acting Jerry Springer's style crazy, and
it was more of an entertainment thing. And then at times there would be
formal debates. Right, we had the formal debate with JF back in the
day about atheism, So every now and then there would be a formal debate,
but most of the time it wasn't, and there was I don't know,
there was only like a handful of those, like three maybe that I
was directly involved in. And then you know, some other people like the
set of a contest guy and then the other weirdo guy, and those were
not formal debates, and so those got clipped where I got heated with somebody
who was just being completely ridiculous and blasphemous or something like that, and I
said something like are you kidding, You're an idiot. You have no idea
what you're talking about. People like t Jomp who clearly had no idea what
he was talking about, or the Kurgan who had no idea. He thought
he thought Denzinger was it was some guy and not that it's the name for
the book of Catholic Dogma. He thought it was just some guy who writes
books and his opinions or something like that. So he didn't even know what
Denzinger was. And so I said, you have no idea what you're talking
about. Oh, clip it, clip it, clip it. Look he's
mean, he can only resort to calling the guy an idiot. So then
what happened was those clips. And it's only like a handful. Remember this
is out of a span of like hundreds of hours of formal and informal debates,
public with famous people, private debates, debate on Twitter with just people
who wanted to pop in, right, So two or three clips made the
rounds through people like vocab, Malone, Lofton and others intentionally clipping two or
three moments of me calling someone an idiot, who was VERI fibly an idiot?
Out of hours and hours and hours of debates, and then it gives
credence to everyone to say, oh, look, this is all he does.
He just screams at people, even though within a minute they could go
and look and see whether there's countless hours hours of formal debates with Muslims,
with atheists and with all matter of disagreeers. No, no, two or
three clipped clips becomes in the justification for this is all he does, all
he ever does. And so there's some people who believe this, and then
those people just get really vocal on Twitter, and usually it's angry but hurt
rum Catholics and people who were at one time in the discord six years ago.
Now I don't run that discord anymore. I didn't. I don't have
time to do it. I've handed that off to other people, people like
FDA and others, and let them run it, David, they run that
thing. I'm in there, popping in and out maybe once every few months.
I did a talk yesterday in there for the first time in maybe three
or four months. So it's not something that I typically have a lot of
time to devote to. But when it first started, that discord was initially
just a server that I created for, you know, to have another social
media outlet, slash backup. So it grew kind of snowballed on its own
and we have people like David Snack Kai, you know, Lewis, Orthodox
Shahada guys. They came in and we decided what we would do is make
it a training ground, a tool, a base, a basis for training
people to do apologetics. And you know, I think providentially it became its
own thing, right. It grew into being ten thousand, five hundred people
now and along the way, any group like that, I don't care what
group you're If you have a basket weaving group, right, you're gonna have
weirdos, creeps people come in and cause problems because what I do ended up
getting popular. In the last six years, we've had a lot of people
come and go. And it's true that in some cases people were maybe booted
by mods too quick, or there was something that happened that was a misunderstanding,
and usually those kinds of situations get rectified. However, a lot of
the people who were booted five six years ago, they got really but hurt
and really resentful about being booted. And so what happened is that They would
then go to Twitter and then they would formed this idea that I was wronged
because I was booted from a discord and therefore all of the Ortho bros Are
bad and toxic. Now, nobody even used this term until it was like
a pejorative that somebody made up years ago to say that people doing quote online
orthodoxy are bad news. And this kicked up in twenty eighteen because I did
a calling out and a critique of Ancient Faith Radio because they were promoting a
woman who was promoting skittles things to kids. They initially denied that this was
the case, then they later removed that woman from their speaking tour and admitted
that it was the case. As a result of this, father Andrew Damik
and other people launched a campaign to come against me and try to get me
booted from the church as soon as I was entering the church. So that
was the whole drama back at that time. And if you remember, hundreds
of people across Facebook, social media, Twitter came after me, called me
the worst person on the planet. I'm just a troublemaker. This on that
lying about me in all crazy manner of stuff. They brought back all the
trad cat claims about me being a KGB sorcerer, an agent and occultist,
a Satanist, a witch, a wick and just to all this nonsense.
And what do we see now, Well, turns out ancient faith radio who
has a history of, of course, booting people who are pretty good and
running off the people that are pretty good. That's their track record. We're
going to open it up here in a second, because we have some people
who took issue with me, and I wanted to give them the opportunity to
come and talk about it. Most of the time, what happens is that
these people don't know the background, they have no idea about what has happened
in the last six or seven years. They're fresh to these topics, and
they feel the need to sound off on it and go off on me and
use it as another instance to garner favor and gather in the conglomeration of lunatic
haters that are out there. So this is what's recently occurred. Is this
email if you can see it here, that went out to a lot of
people, and it says that the Saint Phoebe Center, this is the well
funded from the global establishment operation pushing for deaconesses in the Orthodox Church. They,
together with some of their people, doctor Theodoppolos and doctor Carrie Frost,
will be featuring a documentary on deaconess's in the Orthodox Church. So the two
people who are the main proponents of this diabolical move are mentioned as featured in
the documentary. And when you ask about the documentary, they say, oh,
how dare you question our motives for doing this? How dare you?
You must be an evil, bad person because all we're doing is opening the
issue to discuss and de the topic. Surely you can't be against debating the
topic. Now, if you watch the recent discussion that I did with my
father John Whyford, you will know that we He did a really brief but
thorough refutation of the whole idea of deacon s' is it's premised on the idea
that this person was not a female deacon and therefore not part of the priesthood.
So it's a kind of word bait and switch wordplay that they do.
And he pointed out that this is an incrementalist technique that we already saw in
denominations like the Episcopalians who introduced first deaconess to then say, well, if
you have a problem with the deacon s. If you don't, then you
shouldn't have a problem with women priests. Well, if you don't have a
problem with women priests, and you should have a problem with a woman bishop.
This is the Overton window. The Overton window opens up the topic by
giving radical oppositional opinions to then make the centrist position, which is the one
they originally want to go towards, seem more plausible. And that centrist position
isn't really centrist. It's moving typically in the direction of the leftist progressive model
that they wanted all along. So this is a technique, very well known.
It's called the Overton window. You throw up these radical positions, you
open the question of something that isn't an open question. It's not an open
question. We don't need to reinvestigate moral topics and issues. But this is
the model that academics and subversives use. It's very transparent once you know it,
and it's the same thing they do with all the other hot topic moral
issues. Oh maybe we should have skittles things going on. Let's open the
topic for debate, and then we'll find a centrist middle position, which,
as Tim Gordon perceptively pointed out about the Roman Catholic version of all of this.
If you watched him stuff the other day, he said this very point.
He said, the solution wasn't to immediately go for in the Roman Catholic
world the blessings of skittle marriage. They came up with a new category of
a quasi sacramental blessing for a union, and most likely the same type of
tactic will be used here to say, well, maybe the correct Centrist position
is not to immediately have female priests, or even maybe female, but let's
just have a special quasi dac in it blessing role for women who are excluded
from this patriarchal, anti feminist, all male, fallocentric priesthood which needs to
change. Keep in mind, the people pushing this are absolutely goobers. They're
absolutely subverses, and they really do believe they're leftism. They really do think
that they're battling against oppressive patriarchal structures and all this kind of nonsense. That's
who leads the charge when it comes to this stuff, right, And that's
why it's important to understand that as a lot of the naive people here are
not understanding because I got a lot of comments saying that you're jumping the gun.
You're jumping the gun. It's a fair, open discussion. Ancient Faith
Radio just wants to have a fair discussion. They want you involved, they
want you to come debate and voice your opposition. Now they don't they want
an open question, to move the open over to window. But they're going
to have some people on who disagree. So what it's not even an open
issue. Why do we need to have a debate. It's like raising the
let's have an open discussion about whether Areas or Nestorius were actually heretical. Guess
what they do the same thing with Origin, don't they let's have an open
discussion to reinvestigate the other Origin was unfairly targeted. And then you get bishops
like Bishop Glitzen promoting Origin as a saint, all the predictable moves of people
who believe that they really need to move the Overton window. They really need
to change the Orthodox Church in the exact same way that the Protestant Church,
and now that Royalancalolic Church is being changed. So you understanding, it's the
same power structure, the same money, the same forces that are changing Rome
doing the exact same thing in the Orthodox Church. Now, remember I talked
about this in twenty eighteen and even before that, and the response of tons
and tons of online Orthodox was how bad I am and how I need to
be booted from the church as soon as I joined the church. And yet
here we are in twenty eighteen, after Ancient Faith Radio has already run off
multiple people consistently promoting all kinds of bizarre things for many, many years,
and yet now it's still the exact same thing. Pretty it's pretty transparent what's
going on, and you still got people saying how bad I am for talking
about this. I mean, it's gonna be just like Francis in five or
ten years, right, they'll be having open I mean, they'll be totally
lib and I'll still be bad because I was right about this stuff. And
the people think that they need then to make me into some sort of weird
villain or that I'm evil and this kind of stuff. And that's why most
of the time what happens. And there's a guy who had a really good
comment I think on this other Yeah, here it is. I appreciated this
guy's comment. And this is an example of the types of comments that we
see where people kind of come around to eventually realizing, oh, hey,
you know what, maybe you were right. Where is that comment? Let
me find it? Here we go, Jay, I want to apologize to
you. Earlier on in your live streams. I used to criticize your debating
style, but after a number of your videos, I actually see why you
do the way you do it. I now respect you and support you.
You open my eyes to heresy creeping into the OCA. And so people thought
that like I just wanted to just go after people, and I I'm just
mean. I just randomly get fulfillment in just just picking people to randomly go
after and be mean to. If you followed what we do here, our
model of content is absolutely not that I don't spend my time targeting people and
harassing people. Some woman implying today I was cyberbullyingfile so a public profile can
call me out, call me every name of the book if I dare to
reply, oh he's cyber bullying, We got him. You look what he's
doing. He's so mean. They cry out as they strike, you know,
tactics, right. Ninety five percent of the content that I do,
if you scroll through my channel has nothing to do with fighting and targeting and
drama. I don't really do drama streams. Today is one of those rare
exceptions where I address this. And if we look through the streams that I've
done recently, let's see, we did pop stars, we did movies.
We had open discussion where people call in. We've done many of those.
I do them every week almost for many years. We did an interview with
DPH. We had a discussion with A. Tomas. We had open debates
about Lofton and Abara and epistemology. We had comedic streams laughing at witches and
feminists. We had open forum again. We had critiques of Matt from Trent
Horn on their theology and their approach. Right, it's not a drama stream
responding to their argumentation, particularly there Cameron's arguments for Bayesian mathematics proving the papacy
one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. So yeah, there I did.
I called out a dumb argument and made fun of it. But you'll
notice most of this content is not drama streams. It's what's your argument.
You're welcome to call in, present your position and let me reply, and
we see how rare. That actually is right in the sense of the haters.
Haters never want to come on here because most of the time it's bad
motivation to begin with. So, for example, we had two or three
people within the last few hours where they were really voicing a lot of opposition
and anger and disgusted and all this. I said, come on and have
a chat. You can have a chat with me. We can even chat
in DMS. Whatever. No, I want nothing to do with you.
But what is it you think I've done? Oh, you were mean to
who you were mean to that guy who's just a humble, pious Orthodox man
trying to live out and fight against his passions. No, I'm sorry if
we if we want to go into the individual in question. This is an
individual who was in the discord in twenty seventeen eighteen left it of his own
accord because he decided that debate was mean. He himself talked about struggling with
his own gender identity and dysphoria, so that's a fact. But then he
decided as soon as he converted, and he had the same claim to being
an Orthodox life coach the entire time, that he was now going to coach
people about Orthodox spirituality with Again, nobody knows who this person's spiritual priest blessing
comes from, right, nobody knows where this idea of him being able to
set up his public ministry comes from. And this person built his Twitter following
over years counter signaling opposing the things that we do. So no, I
didn't just pick him the other day from one post. Now this goes back
to twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, and again many of the people who left
the discord or were booted or filtered out are people who are unstable and have
problems, so it's not and then they needed an excuse of course, to
say why, oh that discord is mean, it's their fault. Oh I
have obvious mental problems, but it's actually their fault. Right now, if
this individual had gone to you know, Orthodoxy and just turned off all of
his previous life coaching model of grift, then I think a lot of people
would have been like, Okay, yeah, it makes sense, he's really
trying to go in the right direction and change. But that never happened.
He had the grift from the from day one and made it his model to
say, oh, I do the things that they don't do I do nice
orthodoxy. They do mean Orthodoxy. So it's a situation where people like this
have subverted and opposed the stuff that we've done for seven years now, six
years. And when I anytime that I even mention these people, a whole
host of butt hurt people, including a giant chunk of Roman Catholics, because
they all band together, right, the skittles so called Orthopeople, band together
with the angry trad cats who are butt hurt because of Francis to make me
their bad guy and their villain. Oh yeah, he's mean, he's so
mean. Listen, it is. If you think I'm mean, how are
you going to handle if persecution comes in this country? Right? Father spirit
On Bailey, for example, did a video the other day talking about how
people in the West Christmas in the West might be facing martyrdom. See,
you're mentally collapsing, spurging out because you think, I'm mean, how are
you going to handle martyrdom if that comes? I mean, there's just this
absolute, just pathetic weakness, especially in men. And you'll notice a lot
of these men, so called they band together with the feminist ortho woman contingent
on Twitter, and they all tweet together and complain about their feelings being hurt
and specifying that I'm mean, But nobody can ever explicitly say or detail what
constitutes being mean. And when you really drill into it, it turns out,
well, it makes me feel bad the way you talk to me,
or when you cut somebody off in a discussion. I don't just randomly cut
people off. I've done debate long enough that I know when somebody is avoiding
the question, they're doing a red herring, or they're filibustering. And that's
when I interrupt people because I can tell where they're going with it. I
know they're trying to get around the question I'm asking in a debate. Now,
you may not have been trained in debate, or you didn't go to
college to study that debate is a formal part of the art. It's a
formal technique that's part of the arts. It's not arguing. It's something that
you used to learn as part of your education. It's not my fault that
none of you learned debate. If you go watch any professional classic Oxford debate,
like Hitchens, for example, you'll notice in his Oxford Union debates he'll
even launch insults and jokes at people in the midst of his rhetoric. That's
part of debate. But people today are so soy and so ridiculous they can't
even handle a joke in a debate. They melt down and turn the whole
thing into that. That's how ridiculous it is. And you'll notice it,
like, do you know how many times I'd been called names and debates or
on the internet. I mean, Blood Sports was ridiculous. But I will
say this, it was actually a good It was a good initiation into not
being worried about this kind of stuff. So, in other words, think
back to the JF debate, right, I would say the majority of the
of the audience at that time, and we had at least six, maybe
even ten thousand people tuning in live back when Worski had, you know,
three hundred thousand people on his channel. The chat is just hundreds thousands of
people calling me out, calling me ridiculous, calling me names. Do you
think I care about that? Nobody even remembers that except they remember the debate
and how the debate went. So it was a good sort of hazy,
I guess you could say, into not being concerned about when somebody gets really
mad in a debate or heated in a debate on Twitter. Again, men
get heated in debates. I can't fathom why people don't understand this or think
that this is somehow quote toxic. Right. It's just ridiculous. And the
most I've done in any of these debates is say somebody is an idiot.
Right. That's all I can recall is about three or four instances where I
said, you're a goofis you're an idiot? Okay, guess what? Some
people are idiots. I don't know if you know this, but there are
actual idiots out there. Have you read the Book of Proverbs? Proverbs actually
says there's fools, and that means that we have the ability to identify who's
the fool. Because if I can't identify who's a fool, then what good
is Solomon's advice and proverbs if I can't identify it. Now, what actually
happens is when you call somebody a fool who's objectively acting like a fool,
like the Kurgan or Tea dump. People then use that as a technique in
a way to signify virtuous victimhood status. And that's why I reckon into that
paper, because even mainline psychology, normy psychology can figure out that in a
egalitarian society like we live in, which is a feminized society, a radically
feminized society, what happens is victimhood status is the thing that you signify to
increase your social status. So the more you can portray yourself as an oppressed
victim, the more societal points you get, you get credit points, you
get social credibility points in a feminist, egalitarian, quote democratic feelings based society,
and the same people that have changed our society into that want to then
do the same thing in the Church. This is so obvious and transparent.
And I don't just mean the Orthodox world. Do you remember the recent comments
from Francis He said Christianity and the Catholic world, and by that he would
mean the Orthodox world as well. They're too masculine. He says, it's
toxic masculinity, that it needs to be more feminine. And you'll notice the
pattern two of multiple of the individuals who, for example, years ago,
were booted from the discord or whatever. Not everybody, but several of the
problem people actually had certain say skittles problems by their own confession. Now,
I'm not knocking people that have those issues. Everybody has vices that they struggle
with. Sure. What I am saying, though, is that there are
certain things that make you not qualified to be a spiritual father or a spiritual
advisor. And in Orthodox Christianity, I think it's supposed to be the same
way in that from the Catholic world, according to canon law at least,
but in Orthodox Christianity, as I shared on my Twitter for the other day,
you'll have articles of you know, priests pointing out that there's about thirteen
potential obstacles that would prevent the person from being a spiritual father. Some of
those things would be if you had notorious struggles with certain sins, if that
was a portion of your previous life. Other things like maybe you've been divorced,
maybe've been remarried a few times, maybe you you know, had a
severe heroin addiction for many years. So this has nothing to do with whether
you can come to the church and be saved. It has to do with
people who are being promoted into the priestood. Because a priest is not just
a person who offers the Eucharist. Priests are also, in a way spiritual
psychologists, and they know and can can deduce from people's lives what's really going
on with that person, what's causing these outbursts, these manifestations, these things
that are going on with them right now. Not all priests do that correctly
or effectively, but it's their job and their role in society. It's a
public office. And so, as Paul says in Hebrews, no man takes
this office on himself. You don't just start a life coaching thing. You
don't get to just start a profile where you're a pseudo monastic guy on Twitter
and give yourself a monastic title and start your Twitter ministry. Now, so
people were complaining and said, oh, but you were talking about Orthodox theology
back in twenty eighteen, Well weren't you. Yes, you know what I
did. I took all of my essays I printed out in my theology essays,
and I went to the priest that you see in the videos with me,
and he can tell you that this is what happened. And I said,
here are things that I talk about. I don't want to publicly talk
about these theological things if you think that it's inappropriate or if I'm saying something
wrong or if you believe that it's not wise at this time and ever since
that time, this is twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, when I first visited
the church that I'm still on my spiritual father. I'm not talking about the
church that I came into, and I don't have any critiques or problems with
that church, but I talk about the church that I found that I believe
was providentially where I needed to be. I still have that same currital father,
I still have that same situation, and there's never been an issue.
Now, there have been times where he said, you know, you shouldn't
have made this joke. Maybe this was going too far. You got a
little too heated in this debate. Yeah, that's happened about three four times
in the last six seven years. Sure, but that shows that, you
know, in my situation, and it's not just my priest, it's also
all the other clerics and people that they would hold me accountable, and they
do. So the idea that like, oh, I'm not subject to this
same standard is that's not true. It is true. I am subject to
the same standard. But you'll notice in a lot of the especially the Twitter
world, none of those people ever identify who they're under. And there's even
profiles out there claiming to be deacons, and there's absolutely no evidence that these
anonymous profiles are actually deacons. And people need to be a little more sophisticated
and a little more a little less naive about how subversion works. Anybody can
start a Twitter profile, Anybody can go on there, put up a picture
of an Orthodox Church, claim to be a deacon or a priest, and
nobody has any idea they actually are. So what's the standard for this.
Well, multiple jurisdictions, as FDA pointed out yesterday, have already said and
issued the rulings that you can't be an anonymous cleric. It's not appropriate for
a person who is going to be a priest deacon to represent their faith and
be at the same time anonymous. You can't do it. So that immediately
calls into question anybody doing that and anybody who will not say who they're under
or who their account. And immediately when you point this out, oh you're
trying to dox me. You're trying to dox me. You know, if
you're going to be a public minister, priest, teacher, whatever, you
don't have the liberty of also being secret agent journalists who can be anonymous,
right, And I'm sure there's cases where people maybe they need to be whistleblowers.
They can be anonymous, sure, but for public teachers, you don't
have that that liberty. That's not something that you get to do. And
again, already multiple jurisdictions have already said you can't do that. So point
being, nobody should go to people for spiritual advice marital advice. I mean,
the crazy thing is like people will convert and they're like twenty years old,
and they go to Canon Law, and then they go to Twitter and
they try to tell marriage people married people how to operate in the bedroom.
It's just it's it's ludicrous. And at the same time, all of these
Soco orthodox moms all over Twitter, blasting out, calling everybody out, teaching
everybody this, that, showing, putting up their prayers and how much they
pray about everybody, all of that stuff is disgusting. If you're a mom
and you want to make that your ministry, that's fine, but it's not
your business to go around calling everybody out. Paul said that it's his desire
that women learn in silence and in subjection, and it doesn't matter if you
don't like that, that's the problem is in you if you don't like that.
Now, there might be situations and cases where women can teach Sunday school,
women can teach and talk about things on shows. I don't see a
problem with that, but it's not appropriate to be public theological teachers stuff.
And maybe there could be a situation where there's an exception for that. Maybe
maybe there's a need in some case and there's no other options. Right,
That could be a case by case basis, maybe, but it's not.
The norm is the point, and things that are not the norm. What
happens in the subversion sphere is that they will take examples and exceptions to the
rule and they try to make those the rule. And that's when you know
it's subversive, right, because anytime you talk about this, somebody says,
well, your wife has a podcast. Well, my wife doesn't talk about
theology. She doesn't go out there saying I'm the representative of ro Corps and
here is the proper theological interpretation of the trinitarian No no, And by the
way, I don't do that either. I don't represent ro CORPS. I
don't represent any jurisdiction in terms of my geopolitical opinions, my comedy, my
media appearances. But one thing I noticed this last week and everybody getting angry,
was that when you start to ask people their reasons for their anger,
a lot of them pointed out that, Oh, it's because he's associated with
so and so, and I don't like so and so, and they're a
collective guilt troop that I can foist my anger upon. And so one woman,
for example, eventually pointed out, Oh, I don't like Rachel Wilson,
and Jay Dyer has appeared with her, so that's a problem for me.
So guilt by association. Now, guilt by association is the classic leftist
tactic, right anybody who's ever been on a podcast, been on an interview,
It therefore automatically means you support all of that person's positions. You're economically
and ideologically in league with them because you were on their podcast, because you
were on a show with them, because you had them on one time.
Totally nonsense, it's totally disingenuous. They were all saying that. So several
people said, and it's but hurt tradcats mainly that we're saying this. Jay
thinks he's orthodox Andrew Tate because he was on a show with Rachel, and
Rachel was on a show with Rollo, and Rollo talked about Tate. So
therefore, you see he's equivalent to Andrew Tate. I mean what, So,
basically, by this argument, everybody believes everybody's positions because these same people
are on leftist boards or on leftist chats. Therefore they believe all the same
things that the leftists they appear with believe, and therefore they all support X
y Z, you know, change cutting off your peepee. Now, if
I accused all of them, Oh so you believe in cutting off children's peep?
Oh dare you say such a thing? Oh but you, But that's
the standard you apply. If you ever appeared with somebody or interviewed somebody,
was on a podcast, whatever, everybody, you have all those same views,
right, So it's it's a it's a slimy tactic, just like the
other person's slimy tactic. Some woman's dming me today about how dare you respond
to this fifteen year old boy. There's nothing in his bio that said anything
about being fifteen. I don't know if he's fifteen. Oh well, it's
looks to me like I've seen cyber bullying on cyber bullying. So again,
people can say anything they want to about me, my wife, whatever.
It's all fair game if I dare reply or clap back or even offer them
the opportunity to come chat. Oh, cyber bullying. Look at your Look
at what he's doing. It's just like completely ridiculous, Like no wonder society's
collapse seeing one like these are the people that are gonna be put in charge?
Right? I mean? Is this? Are these the people that are
women? Want to run everything? They want to run the corporations? I
mean I just saw a plane catching fire yesterday and crashing right what delta or
whatever it is? I mean, this is what we're gonna get when these
people are running. So does are you gonna run the airlines on the basis
of how the ELP wanes make you feel? Are you gonna run the city
sewage and how it makes you feel? Are you gonna run the wattle systems?
Do? How do you make you feel? See how good that works?
And watch everything collapse? This is why things are collapsing, is because
this is what's dominating this is what's ruling today, this kind of insanity,
And really it is the root of it is that the society has been feminized,
and femininity is great, but it's great in the domain that it's supposed
to be in, in the home, where the female nurtures the children and
so forth. Right, that's what femininity is made for. But these people
buy into the lie that that's an oppressive structure and that for women to be
free and to feel fulfilled, they have to rebel against all boundaries and become
what men are and what men do. And then, shocker, they find
out that they're miserable when they do that, because you're not made for that.
Duh, Look, how men he is? How dare he say what
we already all know? How dare he say what was the idea of the
church for the last two thousand years and all traditional religion? How dare he
say it even though we all know it, even though the whole world operated
the same way for thousands of years. No, we have to all bow
to the last seventy eighty one hundred years of waves of feminist revolution. But
feminist revolution is the same as Marxist revolution. It comes out of the same
ethos, and that whole ethos is about overturning the existing structure to destroy it,
to supposedly institute a more fair new thing, a great reset starting over,
a year zero of mouth, a year one, whatever. But all
of that is premised on the idea that there's not actually telos, there's not
actually purpose, that men aren't made for certain things and women aren't made for
certain things. No, everything's just up for grabs. We make it what
we want. No, you can't. It's just it's not. Sorry,
it doesn't work that way. And everyone who goes against the boundaries that are
set up natural and supernatural finds themselves warring against themselves, against nature itself,
against purpose, against health, against wholesomeness, et cetera, all those things.
And the further they plunge into destruction, the more they want the thing
that's destroying. No, we need more liberalism, We need more DEI,
we need more inclusivism, We need more And then as it gets worse,
no, no, we need more of it. Real Marxism has never been
tried. Real free markets have never been tried. Real equalitarian has never been
tried. Real communists never been tried, Real equality has never been tried because
of the oppressive structures of Christianity that keep us hold us back. Yeah right,
I mean yeah, so all of this should be obvious, but it's
not because again, it's a society moving towards being based on feelings. And
feelings are good and they have a place, But you can't run society.
You can't run a business, you can't run a government, you can't run
a family, you can't run an organization based on feelings, based on what
you want to be the case. And that's why men have traditionally been and
are leaders. That's why men go to war. Warfare is really the ultimate
I'm not saying warfare is good, but warfare is really the ultimate sort of
example of a situation where it's a zero sum game, like you can't make
a mistake in warfare. Imagine trying to base warfare on feelings, right,
I mean what? And although warfare is a tragedy, it's a result of
the fall. No society, no family can function without that element of a
warrior spirit and warfare being present. For example, as a guy, I
have a duty to protect my wife. I have a duty to set boundaries,
I have a duty to do those things if people come over those boundaries,
people break into my house or something like that, Right, I have
a duty to engage in that defense. Imagine me complaining about, uh oh,
sorry, mister raperman, I don't feel like you should have broken into
the house tonight. Can we sit down and have a safe space conversation as
to why you shouldn't have done these mean things? And I'm sure if you
will hear me out, you'll understand my side and that you shouldn't be hurting
people's feelings by trying to break into their house and be a raperman. How
well would that go? You see how silly this is. You shouldn't have
boundaries, We shouldn't have who oh, do you live in a house with
walls? What are you talking about? Anyway, So we're gonna open it
up and then I'll go to WF. I'll probably clip this later to be
two different things because the WF stuff, well, actually it does kind of
fit with this topic because they're having like pagan witch blessing ceremonies at the World
Economic Forum, Like what I mean, I guess that's feminist. I guess
it does make sense anyway, So people that have issues, look, tonight
is not about talking about bitcoin. It's not about somebody's I'm want to come
on debate bitcoin. It's not about bitcoin, dude. It's about people that
have specific issues with things I've said or what you think that specifically I did
wrong in the last few days. I really, honestly don't feel like calling
out somebody who I think subversive and who reaches you know, thousands of people
in the Orthodox sphere. I don't feel bad about that because I don't have
a personal issue with that person themselves, other than that they continue to do
and operating in this way, and they personally have opposed what we do.
So you're welcome to come on if you want to talk about those topics those
subjects in a rational, reasonable way, and if you want to offer a
constructive critique, I'm open to hearing it. But let's keep it to those
things for the right now. Maybe later on I'll open it up to like,
I don't know, like a feel questions. I know that another separate
from all of this, apparently Redeemed Zoomer has gotten a sort of a meltdown
going where a lot of people are leaving his circles and converting to Orthodoxy,
which is good news, and he's really upset about that. So maybe later
on we can open it up about his issue, because I've got a lot
of messages the last few days, Hey, redeem Zoomer is melting down because
he's never been the same since the debate that you had with him. So
if there's people who want to talk about that, I got a lot of
messages about that. We can open upbout that later. Steven Golay, what's
up? It looks like he's having an issue with connection. Gotta unmute,
go ahead, Yeah you're there, Yes, sir, let's say I'm seventy
five years old, as that puts me in the Zoomer category. But I,
first of all, you have a question about how others respawn to you
as my but I was Orthodox, My wife and I were Orthodox for a
certain period of years. A certain something happened, which I'm not under professional
obligation restriction to talk about, which we left, but we I myself first
came back to Orthodox about eight months ago, okay, And and my coming
back has a lot to do with listening to you at seventy four years old,
okay. So if I'm an exception for all the young guys, is
that you are constantly accused of sort of pipe piping away from someplace or other,
and I'm an exception to that. I appreciate everything that you've done.
My question, though, concerns that, if I understand correctly, part of
it is called attack packed from you from the Orthodox perspective. Was, as
you said, you raised certain issues about ancient faith radio where it began.
I'm someone familiar with ancient faked radio when they were concil your press. That
aside, but I think if I understand correctly, that a second issue became
and how the so called Ortho Brothers online Orthodoxy behaved or their presence during COVID,
right, is that correct? That actually I forgot about that, but
yes, that did become an issue where people were came and in person in
the parish that I'm with currently. Uh, that is tends to be a
you have admirers there. I guess that's the proper word. But you know,
but that that's a bit of the conversation that that reluctance of or it's
called the pedestrian word bad mouthing about about the Ortho Brothers have to do with
how to behave during during COVID and pointing out that many of the High Arts
closed churches right and basically took Orthodoxy out of the three D world right.
And it's in that and I I that battled me when I was looking about
going back in the Orthodoxy, because that's that's really part of the attraction of
Orthodoxy, that it stayed within the three D world. And closing the churches,
isolating the sacraments from the from the people's quite disturbing to me. But
but it's going to come around again as such things right. And since I
listen to you also on that I'm Jones's channel, you know place h.
You know, with all the talk about disease X now in the last fourty
eight hours aerosol people, maybe what disease X is about, Well, the
High Arts are going to respond to that, right and and and in your
thinking your discussion, have the High Arts learned a lesson from COVID about how
to how to behave towards Orthodox people the second time around? Because I can
see this being an issue, let's say, for I have six months from
now. I don't know, that's a great question. Thank you for that,
Steven. So for those that couldn't hear if you're listening on YouTube to
his audio, there was kind of a tough audio situation there. He basically
said that when he came back to Orthodoxy, he noticed that a big part
of the issue and why a lot of people were angry. Now this is
post twenty seventeen eighteen drama, right, So yeah, actually forgot about the
twenty twenty drama. Right. So twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen era drama had
to do with ancient fighth radio. Then the drama piped back up in twenty
twenty twenty one because throughout that period a lot of the Orthodox world capitulated and
closed their churches and threatened, you know, to excommunicate people if they fought
against this, if they went they were threatened to remove defrock priests, if
they continue to reverence the icons, if they did the Eucharist the old way,
because of supposedly there would be lawsuits in this kind of stuff. And
so a lot of this happened in particularly areas of the OCA. That then
led a lot of people getting angry. And I of course always said that
I don't agree with this, It's not what I would you know, I
don't think any of that's right. Other people were way more adamant in the
orthosphere than I was. Not talking about stabbys, but about what you're supposed
to do in the churches, because in my personal situation it was never an
issue, like I didn't have a problem where I mean, I found the
parish where there was none of that, and that's where I spent most of
that twenty twenty twenty two period during if I was able to go to church
when I was near a parish, depending upon where I was at, it
was at a parish that didn't know where that wasn't a problem. And even
when I went to parish is where they tried to enforce that I didn't listen.
I didn't obey that because there's limits to obedience. So I can't speak
to how every so called ortho bro handled the individual situations that they were in,
because there was a lot of people in the OCA that got really they
got angry with the OCA over those those things. And then I think what
upset people even more was that after all of this, none of the there
didn't appear to be a whole lot of like walking it back on the part
of the hierarchy, there appeared to be then now we have to go after
all the people that didn't go along with what we said during the COOF So
basically they used it as a way to try to figure out who the problem
people were. And then, although I do think that you're right that there
could be another disease x COOF type situation, really a lot of this had
to do more so, I think with figuring out who the problem people would
be. As they pushed for the ecumenist reunion with Rome. Now that seems
to be continually derailed, and I think that makes them really mad. But
if the OCA continues to move towards wanting to align with the ecumenical patriarch at
Bartholomew, all of these big geopolitical things are really the main point, that's
the main purpose for a lot of these things. There's other purposes as well.
You could argue that maybe these kinds of so called medical emergencies are actually
ways to attack and control the church and shut down the liturgy, and yeah,
I think that's all part of it too. And yeah, there's a
lot of people that are they're still salty over the fact that all of the
people opposed to that stuff have been proven right, including the stabvis. So
rather than walk any of that back, I think everybody just doubled down and
now it's like, let's just forget about it. You know, look it
was it was a tough time. Let's just put it behind us. Okay,
let's do that. But you know, the people that are fully on
board with the skittles, the women deacon s is, the COOF, They're
all kind of have the same positions. They all flock together, right like
the people that are pro stabby, pro COOF. They tend to be the
people in this in these domains that they want the women deaconesses and priests,
they want skittle stuff, they want to go back to Rome. They're a
humanists. I mean, they all it's it's like the same stuff goes together.
So as to what's coming down the pipe, I don't know, but
I think you're right that the rhetoric out of the World Economic Forum appears to
be the possibility of another thing like the COOF. And it's an election year
and that plays into it as well, and so they want to definitely derail
again. I'm not saying that that makes Trump like the savior or anything like
that. There's a lot of problems with the policies and what Trump did the
last time he was in for sure, but they have said that they really
have to do whatever it takes to make sure. And I was listening to
an interview forget who it was, but somebody made the point that it's not
that Trump himself is like the mastermind of opposition to the New World Order or
whatever. It's that Trump represents a wave that could actually bring to the four
a lot of people who could be significant future challenges. You see the point.
So it's even it's not even so much about mistakes or Trump himself.
It's like he's this rising sort of wave and then the people that ride that
wave you can get out of this a ground swell that can be more and
more significant opposition. Is the point. I mean, even to elon Twitter,
all of this has been good, right, all of this stuff.
Imagine if we had the outlets like we have now during twenty nineteen twenty twenty
twenty twenty one, probably a lot of this stuff wouldn't be able to fly.
But they had to do the Russia collusion stuff to shut down because that
was the justification for all of the tech censorship and all the tech censorship was
all of the platforms, and that was on the basis of supposedly Russia collusion.
So you see how Trump, even in that instance, was the symbol
of the need for shutting down all the public discourse. So likewise, now
we're at a situation where X is back, there's more discussion, and it's
going to be really difficult to foist all of that stuff on people when there
are if there's even one outlet like this one. So how that will play
out, I don't know, but I'm not going to be like I've been
saying. I think twenty twenty four is going to have all kinds of wild
and crazy stuff coming down the pipe. But thank you for that question there,
Stephen. I'm glad to hear that it's going good for you. Now
we had a guy, Michael, you're in the chat. Do you want
to you're a disagree or a person who had issues with me. I'm going
to invite you to speak if you want to, you don't have to,
but if you want to come on and voice your critiques. I reached out
to you because you said you specifically had issues, so you're welcome to come
on. You can make whatever statements, critiques you want. You said you
wanted to come on, so I sent you the link. I'm not going
to be mean to you, Michael. I'm ready to have the conversation.
You said you wanted to have it. You said, I'm there. Where'd
you go, dude? I just sent you the invite. Let me check
my DMS because no, okay, maybe he popped back in. You might
have to turn on your mic. Michael. Are you there? Hey?
What's up doing? Hey? Jay? What's up man? Uh? Yeah,
nice space? Listen. Sorry, I dipped out just now. I
wanted to I wanted to talk just a little bit, you know about you
know, what's been going on. Okay, I don't know the backstory with
anything that's going on. Uh, it's not super I'm sure it's important,
but it doesn't really concern me personally. But what I wanted to talk to
you about is just kind of you know, I'm not in your position,
obvious. I don't have such a large following, not even close. And
I'm sure you have to deal with a lot of people being uncharitable towards you,
and I'm sure it has an effect on you. But I think if
we're going to as Orthodox Christians, right try to put ourselves out there.
We should try to be more charitable towards others who perhaps are ignorant of the
issue or just have come in with an experience and they end up thinking something
differently. You know what I mean, right, But just specific instance that
we're talking about is a situation where there is a long backstory and you're saying,
well, I don't know that backstory, but but the reason for my
actions is because of this person being a problem person. So you know,
you had made a point to say that you're on team Fattius. You know
I'm a bad guy, but why would why would I be bad for point
pinting out that that guy has no authority or uh, he's not in the
position to do what he's trying to do. It's not so much that you
did it. I don't really care if you did it. It's kind of
the way you go about it. You know, it comes off as just
mean. So again, these are all like subjective things, like so it's
now it's not that I did it. Now, it's it's the way you
did it. So what is it? What does that mean to say that
it's mean? How exactly does it mean? Uh, well, how exactly
does it mean? I mean, it's the like the definition like look,
you can you can go about things different ways, you know what I mean?
And uh, if I were to let me just look at this tweet,
let me pull it back up because I know it was a while ago.
I don't remember it, but I don't know something about it. So
the way that made you feel right, well, I mean to be an
objective thinker, I think based on feelings. Here are you joking? I
don't know. I don't get it. You think based on feelings? You
think based on feelings? Yeah, how I feel, how something makes me
feel. I think that's totally valid. Not for not for a man.
It's not. Oh come on, Jay, it's it's dead serious. Men
do not think on feelings. I think many men think on feelings. Many
men do, but they shouldn't. This isn't okay. Well, I mean,
this was kind of the point I was trying to make earlier in the
talk when I opened it up tonight, was you know, masculinity is about
controlling your emotions, controlling your feelings. It doesn't mean mean men don't have
feelings, but it means that their dominant ethos and purpose. It's going to
be guided by reason. It's going to be guided by objectivity, guided by
logic. And that's why women who are guided largely by thinking in terms of
emotion are not fit to be in the positions that men are usually in.
That was the point. Okay, okay, I actually agree with that point,
but I don't think that I don't think that means that men can think
on emotion. Emotion is very important, I agree, but it has to
be controlled, and it has to be measured. It has to be channeled
and used in the right way. And so for example, a guy you
know, like if you took, like, I don't know, a boxing
class, or if you took like a even a logic or debate class.
Right Like, for example, if you took a college philosophy and debate,
one thing you would learn is that you can't in a debate, even if
you get heated, you can't let your emotions get the best of you.
Right now, I'm not saying that I have always perfectly done that, because
it's really difficult to do that. Like if you have, say, I'm
just using debate as an example, Like if you had twenty years of debate,
there's still going to be times where you get heated, where you kind
of might even lose your temper, but you do learn over time to be
able to train yourself to not let the whole debate get focused on your anger
or your emotions or your passion. So the same thing like if you took
a boxing class, right, they're going to be teaching you to control your
anger, because maybe if you're boxing, you might just lose your control and
just go wild and then you get knocked out by the guy. Right.
So it's just a classically masculine thing that men have to learn not to be
totally unemotional, but to not react on the basis of emotions. Okay,
but I know you just said you don't always adhere to that, But I
guess what I've been seeing from you over the last couple of days has kind
of been that way. It doesn't seem rational, you know. I've seen
you go to pages with like fifty to one hundred followers and they make like
a comment about you. They don't even at you. It could just be
about this. Well, they speak in the threads, and I've always given
people the opportunity to come chat right now if they appear to be completely irrational.
I typically will block those people, but a lot of people expressed that
they were angry or whatever. So like you, I'm saying, here,
you can have the chance to come chat and talk it out. Tell me
exactly what you think I'm doing wrong, because I'd like to hear it.
And what I've heard is, well, it made me feel bad, And
then it's like, what's the way you did it? And it's all these
things that aren't really anything substantial. So I'm not saying you don't have a
point, but I just don't like I'm not hearing the thing that is really
the bad thing. So it went from you talked about this person, but
I don't know the backstory. But now you're saying it's because I replied to
somebody with a small following. It's like, but why is it you?
Well, it's a combination of these things. It doesn't have to be one
thing, right, It just it makes it seem like there is a certain
behavior that stems from like your personal sort of I don't know. I guess
I would just say your personality where it seems like you've a mass this large
following, but then you can't take the hits that come with having a large
platform like that, you can go in. I can't take the hit dude,
I've been taking the hits since before the following. So what do you
mean, like you think I don't You think I don't get this every day?
What are you talking about? No, this is what I'm saying.
This is what I said in the beginning. I know you're not I know
I'm not in the position. Many people aren't, and so you probably get
a lot of shit. So so basically, what you're saying is like people
should have the liberty to say whatever they want to but not have to deal
with me replying to them or giving them the opportunity because then because then it's
like, no, I want I want to be able with on anonymity to
say whatever I want to about you, but not be held accountable to the
things that I say. So that's kind of what it sounds like. Mhm,
I guess that is what it is. Well, okay, bad Jay,
you got me. Wow. Well, look, I'm not trying to
make you mad or antagonize you. I'm just trying to I'm trying to have
the rational discussion about what specifically the issue is. Sure, sure, I
hear you on one thing though, One last thing is I don't know.
This is just something I wanted to ask you about. Were you over the
last couple of days. Were you because I saw a lot of people who,
at least they've told me that they didn't interact with you or anything,
They just perhaps liked a couple of tweets, And because they had liked those
tweets, you went ahead and blocked them preemptively. Were you like policing likes
of certain posts and like looking at what people have liked to block them.
Well, I can't police people's likes, but I do block liberally. Yes,
so, but but you were going into posts that were speaking ill about
you and then went into them and blocked all of them. Yeah. Absolutely,
I liberally block people. Absolutely, always have Okay, Okay, I'd
probably do the same thing, all right, Thanks Jane. Yeah, I
mean appreciate your comments, always open to hearing your critiques. I think that
people you know, over time will find that one of my friends in the
chat made the point that and I'm not talking about you, Michael, I'm
talking about a lot of the people that I end up blocking or whatever.
I mean, I've done this long enough that I can usually spot pretty good
with gut instinct people that are not going to be rational in their discourse.
So people that, for example, say like one day there was a there
was a Catholic dude saying, oh, this guy was an in cell all
the way up until age forty and then he got married. No, it
wasn't an insul, right, so and there was that kind of a person
immediately blocked that guy, right like, not, I wasn't an in cell,
I was, you know, going after women all the time. Totally
not true. That's not what an in cell is, right, so,
way way way off. But that's not a rational person. That's somebody just
completely repeating total nonsense. A lot of times it's trad cats that I know
who they are. I've seen the same trad cat a hundred times. They're
mad about XYZ. And I blocked these people because let me give another example.
There was a woman that I blocked recently who had this. She sent
me this wall of text about how because I responded to a person who was
supposedly fifteen, no idea who this nothing and his profile indicated what his age
was. Some do just talking smack. Because I responded to the dude and
asked him if you wanted to come have this conversation. I was very close
to cyber bullying, and she knew a person who had unlive themselves because of
cyber bullying, and that I was on the track of doing something. I'm
like, what. First of all, Twitter is a million people sounding off
all the time, and so every day there's people talking smack. First of
all, So the idea that like I can't handle it when people are angry
at me or whatever, Dude, I've been doing this for over ten years.
Okay, there have been people calling me names for over ten years.
In fact, the tradcats were sharing the screenshot of me making a joke from
ten years ago the other day, right, still using ten year old stuff
where I'm obviously joking and they're trying to make me into this like druggy or
whatever because of a stupid, obvious joke comment from ten years ago on YouTube.
So they like to recycle that kind of stuff. And so yeah,
I'm absolutely going to block a person saying he's a forty year old in cell
He like, why would I Why would I even waste my time with that
kind of person. And another reason that I block people is that a lot
of these people are subversive, and they will actually go through your fee,
they'll go way back trying to find dirt or whatever. I'm gonna make it
as hard as possible for that person to engage in that kind of activity,
right trying to go back and find comments from ten years did he say,
did he make a joke ten years ago? We could try to cancel him
all that kind of because that's what these people do, so I'm not gonna
make it easy for them to try to do that stuff. So anyway,
Yeah, that's that's and my life is always a lot easier when I block
these these lunatics. So those are the kinds of activities that immediately kind of
keep me into why I would block somebody right away. And my experience,
what happens is people that do want to come back and list like maybe they're
new to orthodoxy. They think that I'm just causing problems or being mean to
people, and then two three years later they realized, oh no, he
was right about everything, Like he wasn't being mean. There's a bunch of
idiots and goofuses in this world as well, and he was talking about all
these people five six, seven years ago right, and then they say hey,
Like we had multiple people today that reached out and said, hey,
would you unblock me? Because turns out everything you said was right and I
just thought you were being mean three four or five years ago. So this
is a common occurrence. But that also lets me know that that's a person
who really does want to be reconciled, because if they'll go to the trouble
to reach out through a proxy to to talk it out, then I know
they're probably really wanting to do it. So that's another reason why blocking works.
Ellie got it on mute. Ellie, you gotta mute if you want
to talk. Oh, hello, Hello, Oh. I have to speak
English and not very good in speaking English because I'm from Germany. And what
I want to say, I've forgotten it and you are not me And Jay,
I know your work, and I know the work of Richard Grove and
I watched it a long time, and I read all your books and racious
books. But the people are dumbed down. What was his name, Gatto?
He wrote a book dumping down John Taylor Gotto. Yeah, And I
think we have we see now the results of that that a society is so
dumbed down. You said an half hour ago that people are mean to you
because you are talking with Rachel, you are talking with Alex Shoans, and
this is a condittion condition condition cont I don't know the English world, and
this is the result. We are seeing what Goto said in my opinion,
But do you think about it? Well, I mean, so I was,
so I'm not I don't really care that people are mad or whatever because
I hear this every day and I've been hearing it for years. So none
of this is going to alter my day to day operation or what I do
on a daily basis. Every now and then, I'm happy to address it
and open it up to people that want to converse about the topics or the
issues or whatever their real issues are. But I'm not hurt that that guy
you know, said what he said. You know, it doesn't bother me.
Yeah, so I don't think it's not mean, Like I don't use
this term people mean to me. I mean, this just sounds like things
from the playground, like you're mean to me, and it's like, no,
it's not being mean to you. So people don't understand there's actual subversive
people and it's not mean to call them out when they've betrayed, when they've
displayed open subversive activities for many years. And then so you'll notice the pattern
too. It was that initially it was like, oh, you were bad
for doing that, and then it turns out that what I said was correct,
and it's like, oh, well, he's not that way anymore.
But then it turns out he is still saying bad things and bad advice.
Oh well, but it's the way you did it. But so at no
point was it where I actually did something wrong. It's all this subject of
interpretation of what constitutes meanness. Well, I just I'm just going to attribute
to you motives that I don't know and say that your motives are bad,
which I can't know, and that way nobody can prove or disprove it,
and it just hangs out there that you're mean. But meanness just like other
sort of leftist tactics. It's again, it's always the subjective thing about the
way that the argument or the discussion made me feel. And I'm not I'm
not saying that again that the point isn't that there's no such thing as feelings,
and feelings have no but they don't have a place in this type of
discourse or in this kind of an issue when it comes to public issues relating
to truth, falsehood, deception, people being fraudulent, people being sort of
a form of conment out there. Okay, it's not an issue of mean
and how it makes me feel and this kind of stuff. I'm sorry,
it's just not that's not what this is about. Let's see. Music,
you gotta unmute if you want to talk. Thank you for those comments.
By the way, your German, your English was good from German. I
understood everything. Accept that last word. Go ahead, music, you unmuted.
Thank you guys for the super chats too, by the way, I
will get to those here in a minute. So music, do you did
you want to talk? You're you unmuted and then you muted. All right,
we'll move on to the next person. Who can I be mean to?
I just sit around thinking about who can I be mean? Because I
don't get fulfillment in the day unless i'm mean to a person. And let's
see, so we got to do with a free Mason symbol who wants to
talk? I can't imagine that the free Mason symbol guy is going to be
relevant I'm not knocking you, but like it's a topic about like discourse and
who's mean and who's not Jamerican? What's up? You gotta ummute? All
right, We'll move on to the next person. So Novus arcis, what's
up, dude? Go ahead and Novus Yeah. One thing I did see
around criticism is that there were a couple of people said whenever they mentioned the
Western Orthodox Right, that you block them. I'm not sure that's real,
but I did see that a couple of times. Can you speak to them?
No, I don't ever recall blocking people just because of the Western Right,
but there does appear there has appeared these groups of weirdos in the last
few months, particularly who have deemed themselves to be Orthodox Twitter theologians who believe
that penal substitutionary atonement the way that Protestants speak of it is the Orthodox doctrine.
And so primarily it was Father Degan Aias that had a series of Twitter
disputes and spats in debates with those people. But although to me it's an
indicator that there might be problems, I don't think that there's any inherent problem
with the Western Right itself, but it does attract a lot of people who
think that it's their job to in some way say, for example, everything
that Augustine says is the Orthodox position. When Augustine says unbaptized infants are damned,
that's the Orthodox position, and it's not. And these people don't know
what they're talking about. The same people don't have any blessing to be on
there talking about and teaching all this stuff. And no, I stand by
that's a red flag. But I don't just block people because it says Western
Right. In fact, one of my good friends and the priest that I
have at his parish, is also a friend their Western Right. So Western
Right ro corp is usually pretty good. I just think the danger with Western
Right is that, particularly under other jurisdictions, at times, they can be
very acumenist, and so they think that they have good motivations, but I
think the motivations, while well intentioned, are wrong. They'll try to bring
in sacred heart devotion and all this post Tridentine Roman Catholic stuff which is not
appropriate for Orthodoxy. So I stand by that for sure. No visor either.
Oh yeah, that's just what I was looking for that response, because
I did see that out there and they said western righty just blocks it.
But doesn't sound like that's the case. It sounds like they're other issue.
No, it's because there's a specific group of people that push the same stuff
and they're all in the same circles. And so if I see that they're
in that group that hive, no, I immediately block those people because they're
again multiple year problem people. So I guess it's nothing to do with Oh
I just want to randomly be mune to somebody today, Oh this dude.
No, it's these people are again like seven year problem people, and their
refuge is Twitter. And then you can tell by the way that when they
get on Twitter and their stuff is against me, they're all united with all
the Roman Catholic but hurt people. So it's a big red flag. Hick.
What's up? Hick? Got an unmute dude? Hey Jay? Have
you Friday? Yes, sir, what's going on? A few things I
wanted to say Lovin when Jamie comes on with you on the Friday fourth hour
and first person you brought up. You know a lot of times these these
rooms they you know, spiral down into some kind of COVID room. But
I wanted to make two comments on COVID that we forget that the World Military
Games were happening in Wuhan in late twenty nineteen, and and the rollout of
five G in Wuhan, and not a whole lot of people talk about that.
That wasn't my question, but I just wanted to make those comments.
I was curious because I mean, I love how much material you cover.
You know, I was watching The Dream by David Ike, and he's kind
of like A He's like a trailblazer in some ways. You know, it's
like you, Alex. I mean countless names that are are kind of shifting
the I don't know the paradigm or you know, people's flexibility. You know,
it's like you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Well maybe maybe
you can by you know, shifting the paradigm and A. I was wondering
if you had watched his his newest documentary, The Dream. I have thought
of it. I could post it if you want, and then you know,
it'd be it'd be awesome if you could cover. Okay, I'm not
trying to be rude, so tonight's rush is not that topic. I will
check out the documentary that they're saying. So I'm not gonna be rude to
you, appreciate your comments. I will have to look at that though.
Uh. You know, I think that I've never interacted with David Ike over
the years. Back in like twenty twelve, thirteen fourteen, he used to
post a lot of my essays and articles. There's a lot of sort of
gnostic ideas and sort of Buddhist ideas that I would disagree with. But I
don't know David Ike. Haven't interacted with him. But back in the day
he did used to share my articles. John Crash, what's up? Got
a unmute? So we did get a fat super chat from Majory and thank
you for that. I will look into this right here, go ahead,
what's up? John? Yeah, yeah, you're doing bro. Hey,
I have I have really been following a lot of YouTube for a while now.
I actually found out about info Wars through you, and I've been on
the right unfortunately, you know, weaken up. Oh well, that's great
to hear, man. I appreciate those comments. Yeah, but tonight we're
trying to I'm not trying to be really like to the topic is people who
take issue with me or or stuff I've said or whatever, we did get
to be fat super chat. So let me talk about that real quick,
and Majorian says, hey, what do you think about the CNP and the
World Future Society? Now, I do think the CNP was this world Anti
Communist League iran contra connected sort of right wing foil to the CFR right,
so that that was the purpose of the creation of the CNP. I know
that it's played a lot of a role in the background for neocon stuff.
A lot of people who talk about the CNP, though, they always want
to make it like the real thing that's running everything in the back and like,
oh, it's not the CFR, it's not the Charlateral Commission. It's
not that they want to turn it into a left right thing in terms of
globalism. But I mean the idea and a lot of those people, I'm
not saying this is about you, Majority, but a lot of those people
say, oh, it's really the right wing Christian theocracy that's running America.
Really, I mean, that's just it's ludicrous to me. The idea that
the real power structure is a right wing theocracy. That just seems absolutely insane
to me. But all the people who are always fussing about the CNP and
how oh you dire doesn't cover the CNP. I mean, I don't think
that it's that powerful of an entity today. It's not like we're actually being
run by evangelical theocrats. I do think that the CNP was set up and
was intended to be this sort of right wing foil to CFR, and that
if I recall, you know, like all over North and people like that
had connections to it. I think CNP, like if you read the Collins
Brothers book that we've been talking about, they later talk about a lot of
the CNP connections to only North and that kind of stuff. But you see,
you said, let's look at the World Futurist Society, and I'm on
their website. Let's see, can we get like a our approach, educate
and bring together many people throughout the world to give a new system for civilization
and well being. Engage as many visionaries as possible. Your journey begins here.
Synthesize intelligence for the CIV type one forum. So like a type one
civilization is what they're claiming to push for. This sort of futuristic like tech
tech utopia type of thing. I'm guessing they're talking about the kof Here's a
bunch of hip, cool gen xers that are fans of it, millennials.
Who the heck even are these people? Literally a bunch of people have never
heard of Uh, let's see do they have. So there's not a whole
lot on this website. Let's see if we can find established in nineteen sixty
seven. Let's look at their Wikipedia just for an overview. Futurist magazine.
So there's this like a are they connected to transhumanism? Futurist Magazine nineteen sixty
seven, Ever Commish Cornish ninety sixty seven to twenty fifteen, Byte monthly mag
Learning to talk like a futurist Futurist magazine. Okay, so yeah, this
just looks like some kind of a like a pushing Okay, let's say prominent
members Carl Sagan, Ray Kurtzweil, Neil de Grasse Tyson. So this is
like normy scientism man pushing transhumanism as what it looks like. So that's the
World Future Society. Now are you saying they have a connection to the CNP
or you just wanted me to talk about both of those? So Council for
National Policy. Let's see what they're up to CNP. This is supposed to
be the big conservative, normy think tank. It's Mike Pence, a bunch
of the people you would expect normy tier rhino type stuff. I guess I
mean CNP action. Who's involved in this? Charlie Kirk's on there, Philis
Schlafley who passed away in twenty sixteen. I mean again, I just don't
see, like, yeah, these are kind of like normy conservatives, But
is that who's really running the world? That is that the theory here?
Thank you for the super chat, but I just don't see that. I
mean, the CFR and Trilateral Commission, they seem to be calling way more
shots than these people in my view. So I mean Brazinski Kissinger, right,
I mean, these are staples of both conservatives and excuse me, neoconn
and liberal governments. I just don't see Philip Schlaffley as really the danger to
America. It just doesn't make any sense to me. And I mean she's
dead anyway. So Joe, Lily, what's up? Joe? You gotta
mute when you get on. Ellie sends five dollars, says hi, friends,
Hi, Ellie. Ellie sens another five dollars. Thank you so much,
Ellie. Appreciate that. I'm a assuming that's the German Ellie that chimed
in earlier with her comments. Appreciate that. Ellie says again for five dollars
that she believes that a lot of the issues today with low level discourse has
to do with people being dumbed down. And yeah, a lot of their
responses are based on emotions and feeling, not actually based on any of the
issues. And so, for example, warning people about a person you know,
proclaiming to be a life coade, she's going to give people orthodox spiritual
advice and all this stuff who themselves seems to be really problematic and struggling with
issues, it just doesn't make any sense. And so if I dare to
reply to the people who you know, for years have talked about how bad
I am, look how bad he is. Look, Look he dares to
reply to the people that are out there grifting people. So wet that person
dropped off zargones, what's up? Go ahead, you gotta unmute. Hello,
what's up? Hey? I was wondering, since he studied psychological warfare,
do you think the National Socialist movement on Twitter. I'm not that,
by the way, but I'm just asking if you think all this anti Jew
stuff on Twitter is going to reach a censorship wall eventually. With Internet service
providers like AT and T comcasts, do you think they will eventually put us
stop to the the anti Jew hate that is rising. It's very possible.
I mean, we've been warned I think by people like AJ for a long
time that internet providers might be the next angle by which censorship occurs, right,
So maybe seizing domains that kind of stuff, So it's very possible.
I interviewed Rogerstone today in fact on what he expects in twenty twenty four.
He said, they might try to do you know, our acee based riots,
you know, that kind of stuff. Might they might roll that out.
There might be another sort of coof So any of those things could also
provide the pretext for clamping down on free speech. Right, so you could
have people, you know, engaged in rioting and those kinds of activities and
then oh, there's a national crisis, We're gonna have to lock down everything.
I mean, hopefully Elon will be committed to maintaining the openness of free
speech, but there might be situations where there's going to be some excuse on
the basis of, look at all the Twitter hate we got, we got
to lock it down. I wouldn't be surprised if something like that. Now
Harry Ludwig is calling in. I appreciate Harry. He's a longtime listener.
Harry. Have I been too mean to you? Harry? All right?
Hey, what's up? Uh? Just coincidentally going on Tarragon's comments. Uh,
just not not a disagreement necessarily, but just wondering why you don't cover
bagel related issues, and say, e, Michael Jones, the Revolutionary Spirit
is really up your alley, you'd think, and have you ever covered it?
And his new book, The Holocaust Narrative is excellent. I just went
through it. Right. Well, so when I'm on YouTube, I cover
things that are YouTube friendly, right, So if I'm on another platform where
those things are allowable, then people make those topics usually available. I just
did a really in depth breakdown of jeff Stein mcguffrey. I've been talking about
Whitney Webb's book for the last two or three weeks NonStop since all the jeff
Stein mceffrey stuff. So really, you know, not everything can be talked
about on every platform, and you know it's been that way for a long
time, right, So if you go though to for example, Rock finn
I did a whole history of the Israel Palestine conflict that did all breakdown of
that. I don't have any personal interactions or anything problematic with E. E.
Michael Jones. I did offered him a debate many years ago because I
felt that a lot of his theological positions were wrong. He declined, I
think about three of those offers. I feel like the more fundamental issues theologically
would be the things I'd want to disagree and debate with, for example,
other Catholic writers. This last week, we're making quite a fuss about his
defense of the Vatican Two documents, his defense of what's going on with the
Skittles blessings. So I think those things are valid critiques of what he talks
about. And I think a lot of people become one issue people, right
like that's the only issue they're interested in covering. I've never been a one
issue person, So you know, if people want to make it one issue,
Harry, I know that if I recall you're a Calvinist, you don't
like the theological stuff that I cover. Well, but for me, that's
where I start my paradigmatic approach. So for example, if I'm going to
be interacting with a Roman Catholic, that it's going to start with the theological
disagreements. It's not going to be a question of well, but he wrote
this book that's super based on blah blah blah. Right. So because a
lot of people, for example, that are looking into Orthodoxy right now,
like there there's a lot of trad cats that are that have a distaste for
Rome and Francis, and so what's happening is they're thinking, oh, I
want to find based trad church. Now, inherently that's not the problem with
I mean, everybody should want to have the correct, true theological position,
right. But the problem is that people are thinking, I'm just going to
transfer my base trad political Catholicism over into Orthodoxy. That will now be my
new base trad political movement. And the problem is that it's different in Orthodoxy,
like it's a whole other approach. Like you you don't it's not a
it's not politics first, it's theology first. So it's the other way around.
So a lot of people who are into into a lot of the comment
public comment sphere about politics and that kind of stuff. They're like, why
do you always talk about the theology stuff? You won't talk about the moral
social issues? Well, because I think the moral social issues are downstream from
the theological issues. And most people think that culture is first and everything else
is downstream. Right, And people should be you know, perceptive enough by
now to figure out that certain platforms allow certain topics and others don't. So
everybody in some degree engages in abiding by the tos because if you don't,
you basically lose all your platforms. So what's what's the point of losing all
the platforms? I don't understand it, Kaiser, what's up? So today's
topic, though, is not the honest question. Today's time topic is not
it's it's the it's the issues related to the drama the past three days.
So can you hear you? All right? Yep? It turked you before.
I actually had an idea something that's kind of turned into a little bit
of a group joke. Are you familiar with the fashion police by chance?
No? So this is this is a real thing. And this is what
I always tell people when they talk about these interglobal these mobile conspiracies, and
they go, oh, this can't be so, this can't be so this
campus session, well you got to think, like if those people aren't playing
Europe. There's a lot of changes that happened, but the big ones was
they said, hey, you don't have to pay me, and taxes are
no longer from your basic your props button gold and paid in cash. And
at that time you certainly had peasants who were making money and they had nice
clothes, and what was basically happening was these these nobles were looking down but
wait a minute, do that look much better than these peasants. And what
they started doing is that it's called the fashion police, where they go up
to peasants and take their clothes away if they you're too rich for what the
noble or whatever, the noble person's leaving. And I think you see that
today right where that is what this is where it's like it's like I don't
really care that you have an electric car. What I care about is I'm
the one that's allowed to have the range Rover. Thank you, you know,
like you're not allowed to have that stuff. This is this is against
the passion. Please someone stop him, you know, like he's flying around
on a plane. You know, you hear about this all the time.
Commercial planes need to be shut down, but oh you're private. Just that's
different. It's different, okay, but that commercial plane though, that's a
bit too much. So you're talking about are you talking about like the austerity
global economic world? Igomic forums designs to like shut everything down and you don't
need you don't need a wood burning stove, and you don't need a gasoline
engine. Is that what you're talking about, like that kind of stuff?
Yeah, okay, Well, I mean to say it's basically that life has
gotten good enough in some ways. Obviously it's bad Nowthers. I'm not trying
to say that everything's perfect, but that the average person's day is better frankly
than a king did in mable Europe. You know, if I took a
if I took my ancestors Asierla and took in my house like this is insane,
he would be as shocked. Yeah, I mean I think that's an
element of it, and that yeah, that that emergen these people who are
obsessed with luxury. Yeah, I think that the most these people that are
upsessed with luxury. Well there's a delay, go ahead, I said.
These people who are upsessed with luxury have the fashion police and the new fashion
place. Of course, is this modern austerity movement to get these peasants off
the internet. Yeah, you'll own nothing, you'll have nothing exactly. Uh
you know what you eata Alcin says shout out to Tristan in the chat because
he hit me to eat a Alkin and her circular economy lecture from years ago
at the Ted Talk where you know, she's one of these WF sponsored people
about how oh you don't need to own anything. Is rent everything, right?
You just so you just rent people's whitey tidies in the neighborhood. You
won't have your own underwear. You could just wear your neighbor's underwear when he's
done with it, right, And you know, to be fair, Tristan
has sent me some of his some of his ladies wear some of his underwear,
some of his boxers. They do fit very nicely. I do have
to admit that it is tempting to go with the circular economy shared whitey tities
model, given that I've worn a lot of Tristan's undies. It is tempting.
However, I still like having my own whitey tities. I like my
under RUS. I don't want the clause issued under RUS. And that's just
what it amounts to, even though it's very tempting. So yes, look
up the circular economy. I think, ultimately to be serious, that the
motivations for why they want this stuff is hatred. I mean, it's it's
a demonic hatred of humanity. That's the real motivations behind the WEF and all
that. Maybe I should transition over into that. And it's enough of this
Twitter drama stuff. Nobody really cares about it anyway. I mean, look
all the Twitter drama, Like people care about this stuff for like one or
two days, right, and then people forget about it week later. Does
everybody remember cate Gate? Remember calendar Gate? And then boob Gate, cap
boob Girl or whateverybody's I forgotten about this? So in two weeks, nobody's
gonna remember the Twitter drama. But I do at some instances like to pause
and comment on it and talk about what's going on and why is there all
this? Why is everybody hating on you? Whatever? Oh bro, you
can't take it your feelings are hurt. Look if I was gonna retire from
internet because of mean comments, or would I retired a long time ago?
Okay, not not retiring from interneting because of quote mean comments. Let's see
Nickelai. What's a nickela DC woodworking? Since three dollars shout out to DC
would working appreciate that? Super chat? As we go ahead? You gotta
yeah, it's okay? All right? Cool? Yeah, So I just
I just had two thoughts and then one thing that I wanted to get your
perspective on real quick. So for the Twitter drama stuff, I think it's
mostly a nothing burger, right. I think people can have valid feelings about
something but not understand the underling context right, kind of like you went into
detail earlier. But I think the main thing is actually something that was brought
up earlier by another speaker, is that I think people are just kind of
softer nowadays. Yeah. I think they can't handle jibbing and jabbing like they
used to. Like I grew up with my father just like just roasting the
hardcore and now like if my dad did that to half the people in the
street nowadays, they would go home crying. Right, Yes, let me
give you an example of this to where so so Eric Obara. We've made
jokes about Eric Obara for years and he's still bought heard about it. He
was still tweeting about it yesterday or today, right, complaining that people quote
make internet internet cartoon strips about him. When I first interacted with Tim Gordon
in twenty twenty, I made a video making fun of him, right,
so we had a Twitter spat. He sent me a bunch of fart memes,
which was kind of funny, and then I made a video making fun
of him, calling him the creed dude. Tim's response was not to cry
about it, not to make twenty four hour live streams refuting me. Tim's
response was to laugh about it and reach out and say he thought it was
funny. Okay. Then and Tim and I got to be buddies because and
then I met Tim in person and had a few I didn't have a beer,
but Tim was drinking a few beers and we had a good chat hanging
out over at Elliott Holst's house. Tim is just a normal, average like
regular dude, and regular dudes make jokes about each other, Like I just
made a joke about Tristan Tristan knows that I love his stuff. I owe
him my life because he introduced me to the diet that saved my guts literally,
So I love that dude. Uh. And he knows that if I
joke about underwear, it's absurd. Obviously I'm not wearing Tristan's underwear. I
do wear his sports bras. That's different. It's not underwear, it's sports
attire, okay. So and he knows that he knows that it's a compliment.
Dudes take it as a compliment when dudes joke about each other's stuff,
right about their their their life, their family, their you know, it's
funny. It's it's actually fun. Everybody loves the banter that the the Tristan
and I do. Uh, Tim and I have the exact same dude bro
banter. It's just normal amongst dudes that has been turned into like toxic masculinity.
And it also shows though a lot of the soft, fragile people like
Lofton and Nabara who have cried for years, uh because somebody made a joke
about them. Right. That's why I opened this stream with a playing the
Fat Boys song because of the rap battle jokes. I mean I thought that.
I think that's funny. Right, people have made people made memes of
me as the fraug the debate me bro frog. I think that's funny.
I don't care. I've shared the freaking meme they made, So go ahead,
just one. Yeah, I just had one other thing. I didn't
want to take up too much your time, But have you done a deep
dive into kind of the background of like bricks and what that's kind of gonna
look like or what you think it might look like down the road. I
know you do a lot with Alex Jones. I haven't caught everything, so
just curious if you've commented on that and if you have any stuff that you
might even want tom right. So, so, Colonel Douglas McGregor's son,
Cameron McGregor, is a good buddy of mine, and we've done several interviews,
and if you go watch the Cameron McGregor interviews, he goes really deep
into bricks because he's like that's his forte. He's all about economics, he's
all about bitcoin, he's all about analyzing, you know, international banking structure.
You know, it's way more about that than me. So I would
just defer to Cameron. He's on Twitter. His blog or his substacker blog
is men in the City, So check out his stuff because he knows a
lot more about bricks than I do. But no, I haven't actually dived
super deep into bricks. Yeah, I don't really know exactly. I mean,
there's other even ortho canonist on here. You know, people like that.
They know a lot, probably a lot more about bricks than I do.
Profoundly retort, We'll say, what's up? Profoundly retort Ellie, let's
see. Ellie sends another five dollars. Thank you. American squid Work sends
two dollars. Gray Stream Jay, thank you for talking about the incrementalism issues
recently. God bless. Yeah. I think a lot of people don't see
why over to window incrementalism is a problem. But look just look up over
to window and you'll notice it. Profound looks what's up? Profoundly? How
you doing? Hey? Yes, sir, all right, So this feels
kind of ill time coming after the last tune in, But I'm very much
pro banter. This is not a soft boy question or anything like that.
I agree with you wholeheartedly when it comes to the responsibility of men to think
analyze objectively because I think our role in the world is to be truthful in
that manner, and I think for men that sort of object activity is an
imperative that truth and this is imperative. But you do see in the Saints
this sort of feeling of tenderness or soft heartedness in a way, but in
their lives, you know, it has no contradiction with the truth. They
are tender and are you. It's not like Saints and elders are cutting out.
I can hardly hear what you're saying. Who'd you say, yes,
just Saints in general. I'm not like talking about a specific one. There
doesn't appear to be a contradict should in their life they can be objective.
They don't have to lie to make somebody feel better. They just do both
at the same time. Right, Yeah, well, also a lot of
Saints go ahead, Yeah, I was just gonna ask you what your take.
Like, Like, that's just in real life, like dealing with people,
well, face to face, it's easier to be like kind and truthful,
but like online, when you're limited in your interactions with people, like
is it even possible to strike a balance between those things? This isn't like
a calling out or anything like that. This is just like because I think
I think a lot of the times that you get flack is in cases where
it's like, well, what would you have him do? Would you would
you have him like lie to say people's feelings. It's like, in real
life it doesn't seem like that's really a problem that comes up online. It's
like, can you even strike that balance? You know what I mean?
Yeah, I think that it's the nature of the Internet. There was a
guy who was I forget the name of that guy, but he's the guy
who is the former reality star guy who became orthodox, and he was on
I think Father Turboqualls' podcast. He was making some really good comments about how
the Internet and interactions on the Internet and everything on the Internet it's all abstracted
and it's not inherently bad or wrong. I'm not saying that people can't be
doing things on the internet, obviously I'm here on it. But the danger
is that you get this abstracted, non physical way of living and for people
who you know, here's the irony too, is like we've always told people,
even from the beginning of the discord, even like twenty eighteen when the
first people who were clergy came into that discord, Like, we were always
saying that you can't just make this an internet thing, right, that's not
Orthodox to just be internet. And that's weird because even though that was always
what we were saying, when people like Father Damik started criticizing us, they
were saying that we were making it only an internet thing, which never was
never the case. And the irony of that too is that it was a
lot of the people in those sphere who were actually making Orthodoxy an internet only
thing during the Koop when they shut the churches down, which is never what
we supported. So we always opposed those very things and moved it because it's
a Protestant sort of abstraction type of thing. And the people that are having
a lot of problems on Twitter that don't like what I talk about or whatever,
like those Western right people, a lot of those people have converted out
of either Rome or Protestantism, and their view is I don't need priests,
I don't need clergy. I have a direct line to me and the books
like I read the Church fathers, so I don't care what Father Digan and
Iya says about that you need to be under spiritual father. Why do I
need a gatekeeper? It's me and the lives of the saintis me and the
church fathers. That's Protestant. All that stuff is Protestant. And that's why
the way those people operate is in this detached, abstracted way. And it's
so weird because people say that what I'm doing is this internet abstracted thing,
and that's always what we were opposed to. It's just bizarre. And every
time, like last night, FDA did like a two hour discussion in their
discord, and his whole message was that that, like, you can't make
this an internet thing. Now, some people don't have Orthodox churches. They
so the only outlet they have is online stuff. And if that's your situation,
okay, But to people who you know are nineteen twenty, twenty one,
twenty two, they just converted, They start reading the Canons, then
they get on Twitter and decide that it's their job to then start telling marriage
married people what to do in the bedroom. And like from day one,
we always said, don't do that. You're a sperg. It's a and
it's it doesn't make sense. And so all of the things that people criticize.
What I'm doing or what we do at is the very things that we've
always said not to do. So I actually agree with those people, but
they attribute that to me like as if I'm the I wanted to set up
an orthobro movement. Like there's still these like boomers that think that I wanted
to set up some orthobro political movement. Never had any idea about any of
that. Don't want to do that, And in fact, it just makes
me more and more not want to talk about theology on the internet at all.
Why not because of the problem of theology, but because it's just like
it's like the Western Right. It's like the Western Right itself isn't any kind
of problem that weird spurgey people who have no conception of you know, knowing
and studying these things for a long time. They're not qualified. That's the
point that FDA was making, right. It's like people who imagine going to
a surgeon and saying, look, I've read the surgery books, I read
an anatomy book, and I know how to do a surgery. Now you
might have studied this and been doing it for twenty years, but I just
noticed in the book, there's a place where it says that what you're doing
is wrong, so you should actually let me do the surgery because even though
you're a twenty year veteran at it, I've read the book. And if
you disagree, are you a gatekeeper? How are you? Why are you
a surgery gatekeeper? Bro? It's all Protestant. The internet is like it's
like an internet, it's like an electronic Protestantism almost literally, it's like abstracted
neoplatonic Protestantism on the in the ether. Right. So again, like we've
always said, you can't do it that way. You got to like go
be an actual Orthodox church anyway. But separate from all of that is the
other issue that you pointed out, which is, uh, you know,
men's issues, right, masculinity and like any so anything that is that sets
boundaries is perceived as toxic, which is just insane to me. It's just
crazy. What And you know the other thing too is that you'll notice that
a lot of times it's never about the actual topics or the issues in question.
It immediately turns into why you're a bad person, right, And that's
a surefire sign when things go at hominem that the opposition, the people who
are angry at you, don't actually have a point or an argument. It's
it's just a way to deflect over into oh well here's but yeah, but
but you're still bad because you vocabam alone clipped you from five years ago saying
a guy was an idiot in the debate, So see, you're still bad.
So it's like, even though it's like one instance, like like a
snippet of a not even a formal debate from five years ago, Right,
there's a snippet, you're still accountable and you're still guilty for calling someone an
idiot five years ago. The irony, too, is that the people who
would call that out are like ten times more venomous on Twitter, like talking
about my wife, talking about oh he's a Satanist, he's his wife's a
witch. They'll say like one hundred times worse stuff than me calling them an
idiot. This guy, not even them, but this guy five years ago
an idiot. Right, So they'll say things one hundred times worse. But
it's like, yeah, but but I'm justified in it because you were you
were, You're me, so I can I can do all of this to
you and if you dare to reply, oh, look, you're bullying it.
It's it's again, it's the me of they cry out right as they
strike you at the fanny something I can't read the rest of the name.
What's up, am I own? Yeah? Actually, just what you're saying.
I was wondering your thoughts on the role of people's like past sins and
faults that are like publicly available because you were sharing like the picks of him
and the cough makeup right, And on the one end, you know,
it's I don't know, I don't have strong feelings about Thaddeus. So on
the one end, it's like, well, you know, if he's apologized
for it, should there be leeway. But of course, if it's relevant
to the public scandal that you're you know, accusing him of, then maybe
it's you know, you're you're trying to make that link. So what is
that balance that you're trying to strike between things that are scandalous. But then
if you know, they publicly repented of it, right, So the point
of that was not merely oh let me find dirt on this person. So
this is a person who again so was in the discord in twenty eighteen left
because he felt that debate was mean, right and fine, he can do
that. You know. He publicly took issue with a lot of things.
And what happened back at that time was I reached out to him and I
said, hey, come have a discussion on the discord and let's be reconciled.
I immediately tried to be reconciled with that guy, because I don't I
don't have any personal issues with him at the time he came on the discord,
we all agreed to be good. Within no time at all, maybe
a few weeks later, he had aligned himself with other people that were booted
from the discord. This is the consistent pattern that we see. And so
it just turned sour really quick, and oh, I'm going to set up
like the nice discord where you don't have to deal with people that do debates
and this kind of stuff again. So we ignored all of that for a
long time. Of course, he consistently built his model of being an Orthodox
life coach on the Enneagram, which is a fraudulent occult thing. It's not
anything to do with Orthodoxy. And so even at the time there was questions
about his motivations and the permission to do these things, because again, like
everybody's going to be held accountable in this world of Orthodoxy for the things that
they talk about publicly and what they say, right, you can't. It's
not a situation where you just start your own like almost start my own thing.
I'm going to be an Orthodox spiritual life coach. Like it's it's that's
not a thing. It doesn't work, like, this is not the religion
where you do that. That's like a Protestant type of thing. So in
regard to him, you know, he kept at this and then somebody sent
me his memes yesterday. Obviously it's still about you know, the stuff that
that we talk about. Oh if the online world of Orthodoxy is a kind
of crazy conspiracy people, but when you go to the Orthodox Church, it's
not actually that way. That's again it's a counter signaling against what we do.
And yeah, it did. It kind of set me off because I'm
tired of this dude, Like, this dude has been at this for it's
almost six or seven years now of the same types of stuff, and so
yeah, I pointed out that, look and people sent me stuff that he
had said post conversion. So it's not just a matter of did he one
time, you know, cross dress or do something like that. It's that
post conversion, he's still advising young people on gender issues and the stuff that
he said was not correct. Okay, so he's gonna publicly advise teenagers who
are having dysphoria issues. Why would we think this person's qualified to do this?
Like? Who qualified this guy as a life coach? Life coach is
like an obvious, like grifter thing. Okay, there shouldn't, I mean,
unless you have like the permission to be. I don't even know what
even is a life coach? What the heck even is that? I don't
even know what it is. It's like I'm made up, you know,
like new age grifty thing. So what even is an orthodox life coach?
Now there can be mentors and that kind of stuff, but why would we
think that guy is qualified to be that thing? And the question then is
always what person from the hierarchy blessed you or gave you this ministry? And
who are you under and held accountable to? And what we constantly see is
that they never say who they're accountable to because they're probably not accountable. That's
the point. And it's the same with the other people that I mentioned earlier
in their Western right Twitter spheres, right. So one of those individuals I
emailed their priest and he got mad. So he's trying to dogs me.
Now, you can't be a public teacher and telling people that you're Western,
right. I'm emailed his priest is pre he said, he's not even Western
right what. So he's painting himself as and he's like twenty two twenty three.
It's like, none of that makes any sense. Okay. So it's
a recurring pattern that's happened for multiple years. And it's not that you can't
be young and talk about these things. It's not that you can't have a
Twitter profile and talk about theology. The point is that there's parameters and there's
accountability that everybody has to abide by. That I'm accountable to people hold me
accountable, right, And it's not even just my spiritual father, right FDA,
he sees most of what I do. He calls me out if I
do something wrong or if I'm too rude or whatever to people. I've been
called out many times over the last six or seven years. But the people
that we're talking about there's no identifiable persons that they're accountable to, and yet
there's still public grifting people with ministries representing supposedly the Orthodox Church, which I
don't even do. The funny thing is I don't give people spiritual advice,
never told anybody anything about what they should or shouldn't do in the bedroom.
I mean, to me, that's crazy. As a lay person, it
makes no sense to do that. That's I think there's jj I if you're
Orthodox, that means sleeping through life is always sinful and you just need to
be an insul on Twitter and that you don't understand. You don't have right
to see those dudes. Some of those dudes are actually on Twitter saying that
husbands and wives need to sleep in different beds, and like they're like going
to monastic penitentials and trying to apply monastic penitential disciplines to married people, which
is just crazy. It's ludicrous. I'm not talking about Fattius, I'm talking
about the other people. Yeah, but thanks, that's really helpful. Yeah,
no, it's a fair question, right, So I understand. So
people don't know the background, They think that these people are just sort of
like random people that I just choose to, Oh, I'm going to be
mean to this dude today. Here's a dude I could be mean to today.
And it's not true. Every one of the people, for the most
part, maybe not every single one, but most of the people in question
that keep being recurring problem people are six seven year problem people who are mad
they got booted from Discord six years ago because they probably deserve to be booted
from Discord because they act like unstable weirdos unknown since five dollars, here's five
bucks for being a meani? Oh oh, he called me a meani?
He call you mean. I'm gonna leave the internet. What does Ibarra say?
They made mean internet cartoon strips of me? And Ibarra said that his
kids saw them mean. He's not talking about it. I didn't make any
means of Iborro, by the way, I later made jokes about it,
Borro, But I don't even know what he's talking about. When you had
this funny comment about they made mean Internet cartoon strips of me, he says,
my son saw the mean internet cartoon strips. Tag who five dollars orthodox
in name, but many of them have a liberal fronema and they act like
having a high follower count means you're punching down if you were right. Yeah,
so you like, having a follower count means that everybody's supposed to trash
you and you can't reply, right. It's all like at BLM activities and
the way they spun their anti cop narratives. That's very perceptive, tag Hua,
because everybody's starting to notice, like the the mob pylon attitude, it's
exactly SJW approach. And many of the people in the ortho piety signaling sphere
on Twitter, the people that like post all their prayers and post oll how
many times they've done Jesus prayer today and pray with me on Twitter, like,
those are the people who you'll notice act exactly like social justice warriors.
And it's because, as David Rhan correctly said the other day, like for
them, they for them, religion is a performative thing. It's a performative
display. It's a performance. It's a thing you go on the Internet to
do as a performance. You know. Uh, somebody you might have heard
of talked about this in Matthew five right or is Matthew six right, where
Jesus says that they disfigure themselves and they appear to be piassed, and they
go and they pray on the street corner so that everybody sees them praying to
be highly esteemed amongst people. So it's pretty wild. Jesus actually called this
out in The Beatitudes a long time ago. Gary fifty bucks, Thank you,
Gary, appreciate that, Joe five dollars. You should cover the father
Copplson versus bertrand Russell debate. There seems like a lot of material, is
there. Yeah, that is that is a classic debate. Have you ever
interacted with Keith Woods. I messually keep message Keith a long time ago,
maybe a year or two ago, to have discussions and whatnot, and he
didn't seem that interested at the time to have those discussions. It seems like
he's taking more of a perennialist and platonic view. I remember, I think
when I asked him a couple of years ago to chat, he had had
a perennialist take. So yeah, that was kind of what I was open
to discussing back at the time. But I don't know if he still has
that view or not. Archibald mc titty sprinkles five dollars. I'm coaching.
Please come sign up for my life coaching pyramid scheme grift seriously, thank you
for calling out grifters. Thank you, appreciate that, Archibald gen X Mom
three dollars. Seventy five percent of the time what you say is over my
head. But you make me laugh really hard one percent of the time.
Thank you. Even when you call yourself mean, it makes me laugh.
I'm a big JA supporter from New England. Thank you, gen X Mom.
Greiper been lot in three dollars. I noticed that Orthodoxy does seem to
attract certain soymen from Protestantism. I will give some credit to this observation because,
and I'm not saying it's the fault of Orthodoxy. A lot of what's
presented as Orthodoxy is, oh, we don't do what other things do,
like debate, and we are pacifist, we're publicly pious, and we're mystical.
That does that selling point does attract potential soyment. You're absolutely right.
I have some of these swymen in my parish, and I saw I never
saw any of these types when I was a Catholic. Now I have to
disagree with you. There because I have seen many trad cat so men,
So I have to disagree with you there. I don't think it's just Protestants.
You can have soyment anywhere in today's culture. Ellison's another ten dollars,
and she says, I forgot the name of the international assassin scene in the
Vatican. Was that specter? Oh you're talking about, uh so inspector.
They go to Rome. I don't think it's supposed to be the Vatican,
though. I think it's supposed to be a sort of a Club of Rome
style setting where Daniel Craig infiltrates Blofelds meeting. It's in Rome, but I
don't think it's supposed to be the Vatican. I posted on Twitter a good
assessment of Vellis. He talks about London cooperation. I'm not sure who Vellys
is, but I guess you're talking about like the city of London, Quickly's
writings about Tragi and Hope, that kind of stuff. Yeah, I'm all
about that kind of stuff for sure. LUs Skiddle's five dollars there was a
wake up call. I had no idea that there were so many soy in
orthodoxies. Stay chalked well, one thing I'll say about that is that we
don't even know if who even knows if half these profiles or even orthodox.
I mean anybody like like we're talking about with the so called deacon guy,
Like anybody can start an Orthodox so called Twitter You could start up you can
just create a Twitter profile, news flash, and you could. You could
start a Twitter profile, call yourself father Theodore, not referring to anybody,
I know. Just take a very common Greek name, post a bunch of
Saint memes and quotes and garner you know, a thousand followers within a few
months. Then suddenly you could just start saying whatever you want and people will
think that's the Orthodox position. I mean, like the people are overlooking like
this subversion fed side of this. I mean, come on, people need
to stop being so naive. Look, don't just accept because some profile says
it's profile, that it's it's Orthodox, that it is black three dollars.
What would you read? What book would you read to defend monarchy? Uh?
I don't even know, I the top of my head what the defense
of I mean, I don't know that there is like one book that defends
monarchy. I mean, read my godfather's article Arnold. He wrote an article
about monarchy and biblical theology. So I'm trying to remember the name of Dean's
articles. It's called something like Biblical Defensive Monarchy Dean Arnold. So I mean
you could just read that article. You don't have to read a giant book
on it. Collins ten dollars. Long story short. But there's basically been
a constant issue with throughout history. What has been do you mean what soyman?
I don't think soyman have Actually, I think this is a recent phenomenon.
And people there's so many soymen for many reasons. There's not just one
reason, right, It's not just Protestant converts. There are there's a generational
attack. There's the nWo toxifying the food and the culture. You got generations
of people raised by single moms. You got, like trusting points out,
generations of people raised eating eating kibble with cartoon characters on the box. I
mean, this is going to produce soymen. So that's a huge chunk of
it. It's all these things being raised on cartoons, being raised on the
internet. I mean, it's it's a bunch of things. So I don't
know what I'm I'm guessing that's what you're talking about. Thank you for the
time. I'm not trying to ramble. Uh, I'm normal, I promise.
Yeah, it's all good. I mean, I'm not I don't I
don't disagree. I just I'm not sure what you mean is the what issue
is it that you're talking about, because we talked about a bunch of issues.
Shining diamonds? Is a dollar? Would Aquinas accept Vatican one or Vatican
two? I don't know. I mean that's a I mean, I guess
if Aquinas is committed to his belief in the Roman Sea, then he would
have to, right, I mean, yeah, it's a tough I mean,
who knows. Probably maybe lest encounter five dollars. I was recently baptized
in Orthodoxy, So if I am ever saying something dumb, correct me.
Thank you for everything, Jay, I love you. Well. I'm sure
that in your sphere, if you have a good spiritual father, like everybody's
gonna be like everybody keeps everybody else in check. That's kind of the way
this that's anodal government applied across the board, right, so people keep each
other in check. You don't have one, dude, you know, like
the what is a father wife? We don't have the grand puba who calls
the shots on everything. Now now I feel like it won't make sense to
talk about the wef because we didn't even talk about that. This ended up
being a totally different discussion topic. Maybe that should be a separate stream.
The boy crisis. What's up boy crisis? You got on mute? Hey,
j boy crisis here. This is kind of not relevant to your conversation,
but just wondering if you saw the senator at a Oklahoma that's abolishing or
repealing no fault divorce, abolishing abortion, and pushing for of course, equal
share of parenting in the state of Oklahoma. No, I didn't, but
I heard about something similar in Florida, So I mean, these are definitely
movements in the right direction. Yeah, Dusty Devers is his name, but
he's a he's a pastor, and of course he ran for office. But
he's got all kinds of witches, feminist groups, a league of women voters,
and coortivation of women after him. But it's the same thing. And
Richel Rachel Wilson and her husband had talked about, you know what Michael had
talked about earlier in this chat, and it really has to do with conflict
avoidance, kind of the soy boy type of thing. But it's you know,
it's not I mean, when I grew up, you know, we
had a pretty mixed group of friends and whatever. It was your character flaw
of we're tall, we called you lanky. If you're short, we called
you a midget if you're you know, this group, we called you that,
and it was all part of all and for men, that's actually part
of male bonding. Yeah, and you kind of you kind of see who
who can jive with you because I guess in battles kind of program, like
you want to make sure that you don't surround yourself with weak men, that
you're going to have someone that can fight in your corner. But I love
this guy, Dusty Devers, and it's to me, it's like, well,
you can't just lead men and tell them, hey, you know,
raise a family that be over it, you know. But he's actually putting
the emphasis on putting Christ back into government and I love that. So I
just want to mention that to you. Yeah, I think that this ties
into why they want to so bad have female deacons, so called deacon ESS's
and then female priests is because it's all part of an overall approach to feminizing
society on a mass scale, which then makes it much easier to control an
engineer. So it's not that you know, the global elite like really like
women. No, No, this has to do with control, and so
to feminize, to make the society based around false notions of egalitarianism and all
this kind of stuff is really a social engineering technique and tactic. This ties
into uh you know white papers like changing images of Man, which we've talked
about for many years. Uh you know all the talks and articles I've done
for many years about feminism. How that's a social engineering technique. And Rachel's
in the chat. Yeah, she she wrote a book on this. How
you know, go back to witchcraft. You know, witchcraft is basically the
same uh modus operandi of feminism. And and you couldn't have the skittles and
gender revolutions so called had you not first had the feminist revolution. It prepared
the way for all the subsequent revolutions. So anyway, well, Emmanuel,
since five dollars says, the w EF is getting there, Uh, getting
there their group Uh spit on well, it does seem like a lot of
people are waking up to that, and uh, you know, Elon has
called attention to it because Elon has you know, made fun of WF and
he called into one of those meetings and talked about how globalism is kind of
a failure, it doesn't work. Everybody's kind of Oh Javier Malay, he
gave it to him at Davos. I mean there's elements of what Malay says
that's good, but I come on, I mean, this guy is not
that based. I mean, it wasn't he giving awars to Zelensky. I
mean, look, you know, unfortunately, the Latin American, South American
no, all that domain is really complex because people fall into the dialectic of
thinking, well, you're either one of the socialists or you side with the
neoliberal corporate vultures, right, and so both both of these are bad guys.
And that's really difficult to convey because people just sort of immediately fall into
good guy bad guy camps when it comes to Latin South America stuff, which
if you listen to the chat that Tristan and I have done, we just
did a long in depth analysis of Oliver Stones Wall Street Tristan brought up some
of this, right, how people think, oh, well, Javier Malay
is good because he's well, it's good that. Yeah, I agree,
it's good that he's he's anti fed, right, he's against federal reserve,
he's against a fiat currency. That's good. However, he also seems to
then default to siding with the the neoliberal vultures who are behind a lot of
the problems in uh In in those countries as well. So, Tristan,
I know you're you're not here, but if you're, if you would,
if you're, if you can hop on for a little bit and just kind
of comment on that, I would. I would appreciate it, because a
lot of people don't understand, you know, the Latin South American political sphere,
and they just kind of lump it into the the you know, good
guy libertarian versus evil socialist dialectic, and uh, you have really good insights
on this given uh you know Ecuador. Yeah, Hey, Jay, Hey,
I just want to say that you're super mean and disavow you completely.
I'm sorry for wearing your sports braw. I generally disavow everything you are do,
like, associate with, stand for, or have ever stood for it
because you're mean. I accept your public struggle session, I accept my public
penance. So the Malays are really interesting that this tests for how stupid a
lot of the libertarian and you know, slightly right of centered people in the
inner are. I'm sure James, I'm sure James Lindsay is, you know,
doing backflips praising how great this guy is, how amazing HOBBYR. Malay
is. But the libertarians, a lot of these people remember the libertarian movement
in two thousand and eight from Paul Like a lot of us were kind of
involved in that type of stuff. Yeah, this was all about and the
fet It was about, like actual audit the fet right and the FED and
the private banking cartel of the Federal Reserve because the federal all they were.
The Federal Reserve is no more federal than Federal express which is true right now.
What's amazing is how much of that vision of and basic understanding of what
the real problem with transnational banking is all that's been lost in the kind of
so called libertarian movement today. And I don't think again, I don't think
libertarianism was ever a good idea, a useful movement for anything but throwing open
the floodgates, opening the gates of Toledo. Uh so to say for for
a socialism and communism to come in. But what these people that are praising
Malay are saying is this guy wants to end the Artian Central Bank. This
is one of their main points. So why he's so based and why he's
so good. Now, the Argentinian Central Bank is actually run by the state,
like, it's actually owned by Argentina. It's not a private bank like
the Federal Reserve. Now what he wants to do and seems like he's kind
of backed down off of this. I'm not sure if they'll actually go through
with it, but his campaign writer it included shutting down their central bank,
which is actually run by the state, unlike the Federal Reserve, which is
a private bank in Cartel. And what he wants to do is dollarize them,
put them on the dollar, and literally put them under the control of
the FED. That's Javier Malay's program, total neoliberalism, complete vassal state,
Argentina becoming like it has been cyclically for a long time, a complete vassal
state of the US. I remember Argentina was kind of a test bed for
the GMO movement. They kind of bulwark the gmocorn and GOMO. Soy down
there are Tina has has. I mean, it's been wrecked by just consistent
political upheaval from both the Latin American left and right for a long time.
But yeah, this this idea that Javier Malay is some sort of a trap
right wing guy and he's our dude, he's our he's our guy. He's
so based, he's just I mean, this, this guy is a is
a total idiot. He's a total shill. And just because he says give
some lip service at the w e F about how I don't like communism,
well, your whole program is just neoliberalism for Latin America's total privatization of resources
so that they can be plundered by transnational corporations and transnational corporate cartels and you
can be under the thumb of the Federal Reserve private banking cartel. That's what
Javier Malay is bringing. So it's it's ridiculous that people, so you're saying
that he basically you need to be under the US FED, righted. So
he wants he wants to get rid of their central bank, which is actually
owned by Argentina, and they've had tons of problems. They've tried dollarization before
and it completely wrecked their economy. It completely destroyed Argentina. And it was
if anybody wants to learn about kind of what it's like to live in a
collapse society, read about what happened in Argentina. And I think, So,
what you're saying is you're a communist socialist and you want socialism. That's
what you're saying exactly. So this, this is what the libertarians kind of
what it always is. Well, if you're not a libertarian, you must
be a common get get out of my face, commune with that, with
that nonsense. So it's it's it's really a hit. Millay shows just how
stupid people in the right are. Now they're cheering on a guy because he
says he wants to get rid of the Central Bank of Argentina. These people
are acting like a set Having a central bank is the problem. The problem
is not a bank existing, right, I mean, there's central there's a
state run bank is not inherently bad. I mean Godafi has one. But
it's what he did with it that they didn't like. Right, what he
wants to do is get rid of their bank and literally put them on the
dollar under the federal research. That's it's insane, Yeah, exactly. And
a lot of people just don't understand this dialectic at play in places like you
know, Latin South America. I mean, you could look at America too,
like, okay, so America is is America free market or is it
socialist? Well, the world that we're going into is really, in my
view, going to be a synthesis of the worst aspects of both things.
So you're going to get like a corporate fortune one hundred fortune five hundred model
of a centralized thing that tells all the countries what to do. And we
saw this in the last few years with Kouf, when these unelected international bodies
are telling and advising America what to do. Here's your policies on how to
handle koof And you'll notice that why, it just happens to be everywhere in
the whole world. Suddenly everyone wears the masks, and suddenly suddenly every fortune
one hundred fortune five hundred company is pushing the Skittles rainbow. It's like everywhere,
all of a sudden. Yeah, that's because it's a coordinated agenda,
and it's a mix of elements of socialism, elements of neoliberal you know,
free market economics is the worst put into a big superstructure. So it's not
either of these systems. And people kind of have a hard time looking past
the dialectic of socialism or free market libertarianism. It's like you got to be
one or the other. That's all there is. By the way, this
is the article I was looking for, so people think, so again touching
on why I had talked about the expose of that person earlier. So and
again, I almost never talk about canon law and orthodoxy because I don't.
To me, cannilo is boring. I don't get into this kind of stuff.
I will talk about this one time because it's relevant to this. So
canon law guards it's it's like another way to set boundaries. Laws are made,
like Jesus says about the Sabbath, right, the Sabbath is made for
man, not man for the Sabbath. Okay, canon law is made for
man, not man. For canon law. But it's the purview of the
church to interpret and apply them to canons via there by the clergy. Okay.
So for example, if a person wants to be a teacher, a
priest, a guide, a spiritual a real life coach. There's parameters as
to who qualifies for that. Not everybody's qualified for that. For example,
I am not qualified for that. What you talk about things on the internet.
Yeah, but I do not give spiritual advice. I don't tell people
what's appropriate for their marital situation. I don't counsel people. I don't apply
and interpret canon law. This is my one extent and I'm just going to
cite another priest's article about the purpose of canon law. Now, did you
know that there are around thirteen obstacles to becoming a priest? So if a
person wants to become a spiritual guide, a spiritual father, as Paul says,
that's actually a noble thing. It's a good thing to want to be
that. And I think that in my situation, there's a couple things on
this list that would discount me. And so for example, if you had
a past where you were kind of notorious and slept around I did that,
that would I would think that would probably count me out of being a priest.
Now, in certain cases, bishops might I'm not talking about me.
I have absolutely no desire to be anybody's priest or guru or guide or anything
like that. I don't mind talking about these things in an intellectual academic way
on the Internet because that's my wheelhouse. But I'm not your guide. I'm
not your guru. I don't give you spiritual advice. You need to go
to your spiritual father for that kind of stuff. And I also don't publicly
post my prayers and this kind of stuff. I just think, oh,
that's really distasteful. But there's things that disqualify a person from being a public
spiritual guide and teacher, and those things are there for a reason, and
it has nothing to do with whether you can be saved or not. Okay,
so people are saying, oh, you're going after this guy because of
his past life. No, no, I have the same. Well,
I don't have degenderness for you, but I have similar types of passions that
I would say would prevent me from being anybody's spiritual guide. But the reason
that these qualifications are there is so that it doesn't bring scandal and it doesn't
bring problems to the church where you have people who are not fit for that
kind of a role being put in that kind of a position. So,
for example, a new convert in Orthodoxy is not allowed into seminary right away.
Right, there's a period where they have to be Orthodox for a few
years before a priest recommends them to seminary. You don't just like become Orthodox,
send an email to the seminary and say, I'm going to start seminary
tomorrow. Here's the money, let me in. Right. There's all kinds
of obstacles that might be there to keep a person or to wisely prevent a
person from taking on that role, for example, becoming baptized for bizarre reasons,
apostasy, leaving the faith, or coming back to the faith. Hey,
Tristan, could you mute for a second. There's an echo. In
fact, physical defics and illnesses actually could potentially prevent a person from being in
the priesthood. One's age can also prevent a person from being in the priesthood.
Family situations can at times prevent a person. Has that person struggled with
or had issues with certain serious types of sin, for example, where they
previously involved in a life of thievery. If a person was, for example,
a thief for many, many years and they converted to the church,
there's nothing wrong with that. Of course, that person can convert and come
to the church. However, you don't make a new convert who has a
problem with, for example, stealing money. You don't put them in charge
of the church treasury. Obviously that's absurd. So likewise, a person who
had, for example, dysphoria issues or certain types of skittles issues, of
course they can come to the church, but they're not ready, or they're
they're not in a position to immediately be put into being a spiritual guide or
father. You see, that's the key point that I was getting at.
A lot of people just ignored all of that, when if you've been in
the discord and known what we've talked about for many, many years, these
are all the points that FDA made, right. FDA has made these points
that people want to be teachers and priests, and that's a great, good
desire, but there's a path to doing that. And what the double often
does this was FDA's point is offer shortcuts. He says, no, you
don't have to actually go get a college degree and enter into seminary or any
of that stuff. And again, even the college degree thing is not necessarily
the case. It's like you don't have to study. Oh, you don't
have to do any of that. You can just do the shortcut, set
up your ministry on Twitter. Now, again, I've always said that you
shouldn't do that. And again when I converted, I took all my stuff
to Father Vladimir, and I said, please read these things. Tell me
if you think that I shouldn't talk about this stuff. Right. So it's
not that there's one rule for all, because there might be a situation where
there's a need for priests, and maybe a bishop relaxes some of these qualifications
that aren't going to be serious, Right, Like you're not going to take
a murderer or some dude on death row and immediately put him in the priesthood.
Right, that would be one of the serious sins that a person can
still be saved and repent from. Sure, but it doesn't mean that they're
ready to be in a priesthood situation. Right. And there's other ones too
that you might not expect, Like maybe that person was in a situation where
even their wife left them and committed adultery or something like that. Right,
that's an old canon that's there for a reason. A lot of these things
are there because of difficult situations that it might put a person in were they
to enter the priesthood with these life situations. Right, there's other things like
liabilities to the state. Right, maybe that person works as a soldier.
Maybe that person works as a senator. Right, it's not going to be
appropriate as a senator for that person to become ordained. And then other things
too, like a bad reputation if that person had a notorious you know,
lifestyle of being. I don't know. Let's say Larry Flint converts the Orthodoxy.
Can he convert, of course, but you're not gonna make Larry Flint
a priest and a spiritual guide in a year. Right. So it's really
a lot of common sense stuff if you read this article. And so that
was the point about the people who become online grifters and set up their online
spiritual life coaching things, is that it's one hundred percent obvious common sense that
it's not appropriate, and the fact that those people won't say who they're under
or who's given them the permission to set up their life coaching spiritual exercises.
And given the fact that he publicly is telling people things about gender that are
not orthodox, I mean those are all obvious red flags, and no,
I do not feel bad about saying that those are red flags. So anyway,
that was the whole point of all that BMX in nineteen sixty six long
time super chatter, thank you so much, he says, here's ten bucks,
great vid. Thank you so much. BMX. Appreciate that. I'm
going to change the title of this because none of this was about the WF.
I did have the intention of talking about WF and then ended up being
about all this kind of stuff. So I actually intended to have either Father
Moses or FDA come on to discuss this topic. Maybe I'll do a whole
other stream about that as well. But so anyway, that's the point of
this stream, that's the point of the topics that we're talking about here.
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Now, FDA is in the chat. Would you like to mention I
don't know if you're if you're able to speak, do you have any comments
FDA about like what it means to be a spiritual father? That there's there's
certain rules and parameters for that. If you do want to hop on,
you're welcome to that. Being clergy obviously you could speak to that better than
I could. But you know, if you if you can't come on,
that's fine. I'll add you as a speaker. I did put up this
article again, if you guys want to see the article that I shared,
Thirteen obstacles to becoming a priest. How you doing FDA? Hey, Hey,
come, bless you guys, Christ who is baptized in the Jordan,
sanctify our lives and blessed peace to all of you. Yeah, I think
we should do a talk with Father John and just because he's on participate too
and kind of go over these this stuff sometimes. But I thought his and
I appreciated that you posted the article there about impediments thirteen obstacles to becoming a
priest. I talked with Father Russell and some of the prisoners today after Theophany
the Liturgy of Theophany for Theophany, and we discussed this and there was even
a retired priest there too, that we're discussing some of the obstacles and what
it means to be a teacher and kind of continue this conversation even. Could
you comment on, just kind of in brief, some of the stuff that
you mentioned last night in that discord chat where you talked about how it's really
kind of an issue of qualification, right, not everybody is qualified to do
every kind of job, and so the temptation is to shortcut. Could you
speak to that. Yeah, And I think too that you know, on
the catechisis continuing an education class. I talked about what it means to enter
into the church, that we're in the world, but not of the world.
We're putting the secular world behind, and we're changing our way of thinking
now. The secondar world says that son you go for you get your goal,
and you go for it. You determine what you want. And notice
it's always about do what makes you feel happy, put yourself first, be
successful, see you at the top kind of thing where you make you determine
your own kind of reality, secular kind of life. Coaching kind of tells
you this too. Right when we enter into the church, we put away
those things and we're no longer the masters of our own lives. You know.
Scripture says you can't serve two masters. And so one of the things
that we realize in you and I have talked about this too, is just
the whole notion of virtue, epistemology, virtue ethics, and the notion of
press too, that we enter in as if we're entering at a rehab program,
and it is I've made a mess of my life and it's no longer
manageable by my way, and so you have the incarnational community of your parish
and your priest to kind of guide you. And we know we're in presst
We know we can't see things correctly about where we're supposed to go in life
and stuff like this, and so look, there's nothing wrong with wanting to,
let's say, be a teacher or pursue the priesthood or something like that.
But ultimately there's a prescribed way of doing that, and it's under your
priest, and it's under your bishop, and we're the one Holy Catholic and
Apostolic Church. We talked about this last night at Apostolic Apostolos sent the ones
who are sent, all are called, few are chosen. Does a scripture
say that? And so those who have acquired more virtue are in a position
to you know, if you express an interest, well, they look at
you, they know you. You've been going to confession, you've been doing
these things, and so a priest might just be honest with you and be
like, hey, I don't think this is the path for you. But
what we don't do is prescribed is we'll all determine it. I'll do it
by myself, And I talked about that tonight too. It's the same way
that we read theology too. We don't read theology and platonic abstract world,
but incarnationally in terms of those who are more virtuous, who can guide us.
And so the retort we often hear to this and then I'll let you
address this common report is uh, oh, why are you trying to be
a gatekeeper. I'm a twenty two year old convert. I've been reading the
Canons. I can spam quote on Twitter what the canons are. And you
don't want me to help people and tell them the truth because you're a gatekeeper.
Yeah. Amen, Yeah, we need gatekeepers, rightkeeper. And we
talked about this last night too. It's just a Western kind of Protestant mentality.
Yeah, well, I like gatekeeping in order and uh yeah, there's
walls and gates around my house and my property. There's supposed to be a
wall at the border to protect our nation, but in the religious realm,
no, there's no there's no barbs, right, So it's like, uh,
you're you're at the border agent and you pull out an anonymous passport.
Well, hey, look, obviously I know everything about whatever you need me
to say. Just let me through, right, Why is there even like
a gatekeeper and border patrol agent here at all. Right, you just kind
of control me what's the good order? Now? Of course, obviously we
can see when this is abused, just like authority in general. Right,
But remember all these things, these terms, these concepts, these words are
situated in paradigms. So it's not that the words are the principles are bad
in themselves, but it's in that which in which they're situated. Yeah,
and informed. If it's a bad paradigm, bad authority ends up being bad.
This is kind of our critique of Roman Catholicism, right, right.
So it's not a question of like, oh, authority itself should be worshiped.
It's all about just the authority. It's rather that there's a there's a
harmonization, a synthesis of all these things. Right, So it's not like,
so do you believe in the Bible or do you believe in church tradition,
in canon law and the councils and the Father. All those things kind
of work together. And so when in a lot of the say Protestantism or
Roman Catholicism, you have like it swings over into it being all about that
one thing. Oh, it's all about the pope and what he says.
Oh no, no, it's all about the Bible and what I interpret the
Bible to be and this and that, and I think, you know,
Father Moses has hopped on and I want to ask him what he thinks,
because you know, I've sat down and listened to him give his assessment of
this. And he made a really good point on a chat that he had
with David Patrick Harry a few months ago, where he was saying, look,
what's happening is that on the one hand, it's good that a lot
of people are seeing and hearing about Orthodoxy getting interested. But what's happening is
that they're not going to the church and getting the healing, and they're just
sort of like spurging out online. And I totally agree with that critique.
And I agree too that like, inadvertently we might have actually participated in that
happening, not on purpose, not to like, oh I want to set
up an internet Sperga Army. No, it's like people get their information from
the internet, they live on the Internet, and then it sort of regurgitates
in their life to where then everything is about like, oh, well,
I live my Orthodoxy out on the Internet. But it's all wrongheaded because for
example, a person wants to be a priest, they want to be a
teacher or whatever, like, you have to go to the actual local Orthodox
church and go through that process. Right the priest choose experience and Father Moses
can jump on and talk about this too, is the best position to be
able to especially if there the person's in confession and discussion with the priest to
know, do you have certain kind of vices that would prevent you or maybe
you need to spend more time and turning in the faith before you go on
to not even positions possibly like going to to seminaries and possibly be in clergy,
but like maybe other positions too. You know, you and I talked
about what if you spend your time in doing cons and stuff like that,
like a con man that converted, You're not going to put him in charge
of the church treasury, right, Father good, good to have you on
here, blessed Dteny and yeah, yeah for us to come, I think,
like, yeah, one of the things that Jay was just saying about
the talk that I had with Kennwy was, you know, historically when people
set about doing theological work, the first however long you want to say,
it was five, ten, fifteen plus years. Was just all about purifying
the news. It was all about purification. I mean, we have this
system purification, illumination, deification. It wasn't until they had reached a point
of illumination of deification that they would really write or even talk about these things.
You know. A kind of perfect example of that, and you could
say is when you look at the writings of Saint Gregory Paula Moss. You
know, Saint Gregory was gifted with an acute intellect and an ability to communicate
that honestly probably was really far beyond what the other monks were able to do.
Right. That was his particular gifting was that he was given not just
the purified news, but he was also given an incredible intellect, right,
I mean the guy obviously you had a very high IQ, as we would
say today. Right. But you can see on his writings when he defends
hes Achasm against Barlam. When he writes those letters in defensive Hesechasm. It's
signed by the abbots of the monasteries on Mount Athos, you know, and
the signatures are really funny. I can't remember one of them was like Theophilis,
who may be a hes a cast, you know, like everybody's very
self deprecating and humble in their approach. But he was chosen not just because
he had seen the uncreated light, because I think it's very clear from the
document that a lot of the fathers on Athos had seen the uncreated light.
He was chosen because both he had sent the uncreated light, the fathers knew
that he was purified, and he was articulate, right, So it's a
combination of those things. I don't know if you guys remember, but in
the book, I know a man in Christ with you know, Saint Sophroni
and his conversations with Metropolitan Protheos Wacos, And there's a point in there.
I could probably scroll through and find the quote right now, but he basically
Herotheos asks Sophrony. Now think about think about the position that Herotheos was in.
He wasn't a metropolitan at the time. I believe he was either a
deacon or a priest. But he had spent all this time studying, you
know, in university. I think he had his PhD at the time.
I mean, he was so incredibly well versed in the Fathers. You know,
he grew up in the church, right, so he's great Orthodoxy.
He probably had thirty years of Orthodoxy. And when he talks to Saint Sophroni,
he asked him, like, what do you think about what I'm writing?
And Saint Sophoni's response is like, it's good. It's just very basic
and it's so funny and so telling that people, you know, think,
oh, Herotheos like knows so much. Well, Herotheos didn't have the experience
that Saint Sophroni did. In fact, Saint Sophroni in the book counsels Herotheos
and says, if you actually want to know what you're writing about, because
Herotheos's approach is scholastic, it's intellectual. And Saint Sophroni says to him,
I will set you up with the place. I think it was in Krulia,
which is also called dread Crulia, which is one of the most athetic
austere locations on Mount Ethos. And he said, I will set you up
there and you can go live in obedience. And having lived basically in obedience,
you can experience and actually know the things that you're talking about, and
that I would say is one of the fundamental differences between the East and West,
is that for us in the East, to know about something is to
have experienced it, right. I mean, that's like, it's one of
the reasons Jay, don't I don't take issue with your theological teaching because you're
not trying to build on the Fathers. You're trying to take what the Father's
saying and articulate it in a way that's accessible for people. But we I
think we often kind of lose sight of the fact. And I think a
lot of people kind of coming to Orthodoxy have this very scholastic approach as if
they can understand the Church Fathers because you know, they've read them for a
year or two and there's so many levels, and I'm sure you're familiar with
this. It's like even in my even in my like I've been Orthodox seventeen
years. So I was Orthodox for a little over three years, I think,
or just about three years, and then I went to seminary. Then
I was in seminary for three years. Then I was ordained it when I
graduated seminary, and now I've been a priest for ten years. This will
be my eleventh year coming up, and I go, man, you know,
I read some books before I went to seminary. Then I went to
seminary and was reading essentially on top of what I was even studying in seminary,
and then coming out of it and becoming a priest, and then studying
for a few years on my own, and now ten years later, it's
like, man, you can't trade time. It takes so much time to
understand even the historical context and wish the Saints for writing and how they were
affected by things and how I'm not saying that there's problems in the Saints,
but the Saints are contextual, know, and you have to understand them.
And sometimes those contextualities are peculiar, you know, like the whole baptism controversy
where people weren't being baptized until later in life because they were afraid of defiling
the baptism right. And so like you have, you have weird peculiarities that
pop up in the church that are sorted out, but then you have to
look and understand how there are certain things that are said within that context that
don't necessarily follow, you know, the historical line of the church. The
same thing was like, Father, would you say so you know, I
always talk to people that Orthodoxy has kind of what's a virtue of pistemology?
Now in philosophy and ethics, you know, everybody wants these formulas, and
formulas seem really nice to people because everybody has access to them. I just
put in the stuff and I get the outcome here and with moral issues,
and this will eventually tie it even to knowledge too. Life's not like that.
I would certainly say, like with Orthodoxy, it's acquiring. It's the
hard work acquiring virtues through the experience that gives you the kind of insight.
So there's no patent answer on this, like you have to yeah or I'm
conscious in look, And that's maybe why these things there's these particularities, peculiarities
that pop up, But it's the one who's acquired the advanced virtues that answers.
And I think that really makes people who are suffering from pride upset because
they want to level playing field. I want to be at the top.
And Jay and I talked about this too, that you know, the devil
first temptation was to promise the knowledge of God with a shortcut, and I
think that it can all be presented to us that, well, shouldn't you
just be able to like go to the books and just read this stuff.
You know, the hard work is the perseverance and the diligence and acquiring virtue
and the experience in that and all the various things that would allow you to
have the kind of nuance to be like, well in this situation, No,
in this situation. Yes, anyways, I was just I was thinking
about them. Maybe thought you could add to that. Well, yeah,
I think I think there's two things with that that I would say, Like
Number one is we live in a culture, right, that is a rule
of law. That's our culture. And when people read the canons, this
is a perfect example they read the cannons, is if the cannons are rule
of law, meaning like in America, if you get caught with and also
cocaine, there is a mandatory minimum sentence for that, okay, And so
if you're feeling guilty of cocaine possession, you are basically punished Accordingly, The
problem is that people didn't go to the Canons of the Church, which are
they're not relativistic in what is right and wrong. What they are is they
are contextualized twofold they're contextualized within history, and second of all, they are
recommendations. Okay, so somebody, like somebody reads Satan Nakodamas, right,
And I don't know who the priest was, but it's funny because this was
there was a video recently where this priest put out. I didn't have a
chance to respond to it. And again it's just a disagreement, but he
said something like everyone should read Saint Nakota Mias's Manual of Confession. I remember
reading it during seminary and it was so heavy. I mean, I felt
like I was going to fall into despair. I called my spiritual mother,
and she's a real spiritual I mean, she's a real whatever you want to
call it, eldris whatever, she's she's the law. She's the I think,
oldest living, longest living monastic in this country. She's been a monastic
for over fifty years, I think at this point. Okay, so it's
not like and she's cradle Orthodox and blah blah blah blah blah. You know,
and her spiritual father wasn't saint. And I remember asking her and I
said, Mother, I'm reading Saint Nakotamus. I'm like, it is so
heavy. I don't know what to do with it. And she said,
oh, I don't let any of the sisters read it. And I said
really. She says, oh yeah, it's like it's too much. And
I said, what about me? She was like, well, you're going
to be a priest. She's like, you have to read it. And
so it's so interesting because you know when you read someone like Saint Nakotamus and
he says, okay, you know whatever. I can't remember the exactly because
they just remember them in generalities. But let's say you take something like,
by the way, I'm out of breath because I'm been carrying a baby.
I got a baby on me right now. It's a huge fatty so I'm
like huffing and puffing as I'm like carrying them on for you. It's been
like a couple hours anyway. So she's talking about Saint Nicotabus is talking about
something like, let's say masturbation, and he's like, you know, somebody
masturbates. I can't remember what the penance is. Let's say it's like one
hundred days or something, or one hundred and twenty days. And then he's
like, but if they're willing to fast until the third hour and do like
one hundred prostrations a day and only eat dry food. Then give them a
forty day penance. It's like it's like there's nobody, there's like nobody in
the church today who like loves great Let like that. Let alone somebody who
converts, you know, in their whatever, late teens, early twenties,
mid twenties. Who's now I give every I give penances. So this is
not that I don't give penances. And I certainly give penances for watching pornography
and whatnot because destroys a person's soul. But the degree to which Saint Nakotamus
is talking is not feasible, you know, the application of those penances.
It's it's it's not feasible. And you actually see this in the in the
Life of Saint Portfidio so called Sokallevia, right, it says that after he
leaves Mount Athos, he goes to the world and he starts hearing confessions,
and all he has is Saint Nacodamus's book on confessions. And so somebody comes
the're like, oh I had pre middle sex and like, okay, ten
years without communion. He's just giving a great out the book, right,
and it says that he's like traveling, he comes back there like a year
later or something. Okay, Now that doesn't say exactly what the penances were.
It just says that he gave them right out of the book. So,
I mean, these are really strict penances. And he says he comes
back a year later and he's talking to the people. He's like, how
have you been. They're like, okay, have you been going to church?
Somebody's like, I have gone to church in a year and he's like
why not. He's like, well, you told me I couldn't commune for
this like super long period of time, so like, what's the point you've
ben going to church? And then he realized it was the application that was
necessary, right, and that took discernment and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
So I hope that kind of answers without like, we never want to
relativize. We're not relativizing morality. What we're saying is the church is a
hospital, and in the hospital there's medicine that has to be given to the
people. And quite frankly, when somebody's new, they have no clue.
I mean, I mean, the reality is outside of a priest. I
mean, people have a lot of times no clue what's even going on in
the church. They don't know what other people are struggling with in their marriages,
in their private life, you know what I mean. They just don't
even know where to understand these things. And yet they have all kinds of
wild opinions on how people should be and what people should do. I mean,
you know, you and I talked about this, and I don't want
to go down a rabbit hole, but like there was whatever that flare up
on Twitter recently about marital fasting, and it's like like, like this is
people who have zero idea of actually dealing with people. Yeah, like they
not heard confessions. And that's what's great about Father Russell. And when you
come up here, you'll meet him and you'll know, like Father Turbo said
the same thing, but like this guy's the real deal, and it's because
he knows people, he knows what works, and he always says with regardless
of the cannons and all this stuff, it's not a statutory it's a therapeutic.
And everybody's in the statutory mindset and they think they're like, oh,
I'm going to compromise if I don't follow the rules and different stuff like that.
I mean, I don't even think we need to make it that complicated.
It's like, does that system and model work doesn't make people better?
It doesn't it. Just like you point out Father with this thing, Well
look how he applied and the people weren't even going to church, right,
all the clergy just we want you to become more than you are and to
become better, to be healed, and so you've got to kind of take
on that mindset. I think it's pretty easy just to look at the kind
of products and the effects, what's working well ratter and acquire more virtues and
be healed and even and like when we use that reference, it's Saint Poorfideos.
I mean he's one of the greatest saints of like the last five hundred
years. I mean the grace that he experienced was like almost like virtually limitless.
I mean, Sant Paisio said, my spiritual television is in black and
white. Porfidios is in color. I mean Saint Porfidio saw the entire Book
of Revelation in the cave on Patmos, right, Like this is it's not
like Saint Poor Videos was not a heavy hitter saint. I mean he's he's
literally like one of the greatest saints in the history of the church. And
even he as a new priest, made mistakes, you know, and and
had to learn, you know, through trial and error and through working with
people what actually worked right. There was an elder. There's an elder in
Russia. I think it was an elder in Russia. I think it was.
I don't think it was the same I think it was an elder.
It was a Greek elder. I can't remember me. He said something like
the same medicine given to the same person at two different times in their life
has dramatically different effects. And it's like if a person has cancer and you
give them chemo, it will make them well. But if they're well and
you give them chemo, it will make them sick. And so I think
that people forget that. It's not even just that, but like the saints
talk about, like the robustness of the person that you're dealing with, or
even here's another wild one that saints talk about. Our saint Nakotamus talks about
he says, he says for people who have a bunch of money. He's
like, give them basically stricter penances for eating. And then he says,
if somebody's poor, give them a penance that includes some financial stress. It's
so wild, you know, so uh, Like you think about this and
it's like they were. But even reading Saint Dakotamus, you know, he's
he's a master in his time. And who are the people that he's ministering
to, right, people that were steeped in Orthodoxy. They were people that
were born and raised and grew up in the church. And we're around elders
and we're around monastics in all of this, they had a formation, you
know in America. It's like it's not a joke. Like Father Turbo and
I were talking about this recently, Like it's not a joke that they call
it the Barbarian lands. You know, we don't. We were not raised
in a pious culture with pious holy people around us. You know, most
of us were raised by boomers that are like borderline like sociopaths, right,
and like the spirituality is super influenced by Calvinism, right, and other deplorable
theology that you know, how many people have come to Orthodoxy, and they're
like, they don't believe that. Really, they don't really believe that God
loves them. And it's like why, It's because they were Protestant before.
They understand the idea, but they don't really understand in their heart the love
of God and we say it all the time, the lover of mankind as
they want, they want to understand, but they don't understand it. Why
Because the Protestant God, right is often like you know, the blind watchmaker,
right, you know, he kind of sets things in motion, he
preordains things, he makes things happen. Hopefully you're Christian and they're to your
favor, and if you're not, you know, you're stuck out of lock.
Right, He's a tyrant. It's brutal. The Protestant God is very
brutal. I mean, he's more pagan than Christian obviously, So Father I
was thinking about like just like what you're saying, like trying to understand it
and not and I don't know. One of the most kind of important parts
of the liturgy and most impactful is when when you say the prayer right before
the reading of the Gospel, Lord Luminar hearts and bast lois Man kind of
with the pure light of the divine knowledge opened the eyes of our understanding that
we made. Yeah, that we made. Yeah, Yeah, that part
I almost tear up every single time that that we can approach these things.
You know, I was talking to what the prishoner today that I mean,
you think about the Ethiopian eunuch that couldn't understand what he's reading and needed somebody
interpret it, and Revelation says, but there is nobody, nobody could open
the scrolls except for Christ. And every time you say that prayer, Father,
I think about that that it's like all these things are just words.
And this is timing back to what Jay was saying. We can't just open
these books, even the fathers, and just read through them. So when
you say that prayer, it's in the context of calling the Holy Spirit down
and the grace of God to Illuminus and all the things that are going on
in the liturgy in incarnational trinitarian not by ourselves, not an abstract platonic world
in which the Holy Spirit works through all those pieces in a real community,
in a tangible, concrete, incarnational way. That is that now I can
get what it means God is a good God, he loves mankind. Let
me real quick, go ahead and just end the live stream here and then
we can continue the Twitter conversation. We did have a super chat from Majorian
for a hundred bocks, thank you so much. I will share these with
both the Father deigaan and Ias and Father Moses because they have popped on and
given us their wisdom and insight, and I always like to support the work
that they do. Majorian says, what is the counter argument to the reddit
tier take that Constantine was not a legitimate Christian and that he was a secret
Neoplatonists mystery cultist. Well, first, I would say that there's not any
evidence I'm aware of that he actually was a secret neoplatonist's mystery cultist. I
mean, he did postpone his baptism, as Father Moses talked about, but
that was because it was very popular at that time to postpone your back autism
because they didn't want to defile it. So, even though that didn't become
the norm for the rest of the church, a lot of people believe that,
and we don't fault them for believing that at that time, even though
it wasn't actually the correct attitude. So I think with Constantine, the answer
is that the Church accepted him as a Christian. So that doesn't mean that
everything he did was always christ like. I think that, you know,
but he was a genuine Christian. He has entered into our list of the
saints. I'm not actually sure why Roman Catholics don't believe Constantine was a saint,
but yeah, for the Orthodox, we definitely think he's a saint.
BMX nineteen sixty six says for five dollars forgot to mention, I have blessed
theoteny to you and Father Deacononius and also Father Moses. Thank you so much
for those I'm gonna go ahead and close the YouTube stream. A lot of
people can can keep discussing over on Twitter in that open space