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Just go to Transfers Start Great Attractives dot Net to learn more. 18 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,879 Well, now it is time for this week's episode of Fillo Evans, 19 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:13,039 and we are back to chronological order with the last ten episodes of Fillo Evans. 20 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:16,319 The original air date on this one is made the second nineteen fifty and 21 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:52,400 the title as the rooftop murder case. You see Vans All office doesn't handle 22 00:02:52,439 --> 00:02:54,800 only murder cases sometimes, isn't This one in the case is a little less 23 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:59,240 physical, but still it's interesting. You don't have to convince me that being 24 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:04,080 a district often and he isn't dull Markham. This Joe Sohmer, whom we're 25 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,919 going to see. Just what is the charge against him? His partner is 26 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,199 accusing him of grand larceny. I happen to know Sohmer pretty well, and 27 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,120 before an indictment has handed down, I want to talk to him. I 28 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:16,520 liked him quiet. Always consider it nice of you to come with me, 29 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,719 man. I'm glad of the chance to get out of the office. Good. 30 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:23,080 Well, this is the street, you said, Solmer lives on his 31 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:24,719 house should be that one. There's a crowd around that house. Fan, 32 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,599 something's happened, no doubt about that, my friend. Let's find out what. 33 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:32,400 There's a police officer over there, Markham. Yes, let's find out 34 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:38,120 about this. I'm with Hivans part me. Sorry, excuse me, please 35 00:03:38,199 --> 00:03:42,800 get back everybody get back there off So I'm mistertorney Markham. Oh sure, 36 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,240 I regulation, mister Barkham. Spite of thing we have here, Feller lives 37 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,520 here. Man named Joe Sohmer jumped or felt from the roof of his house. 38 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:52,319 What he was dead when he hit the ground, Joe Solmer Markham, 39 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,840 that's the man you wanted to see. Not right now? It was suicide, 40 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,840 all right, Mister Barkham almost did a couple of people when he jumped. 41 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,240 That's awful. I have found a suicide note in the house. There 42 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,120 wasn't anybody home, but the note was right where I couldn't miss it when 43 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,719 I went in. I'll turn it in with my report. All right. 44 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,520 Well, answer, I promised you a case. It looks like it's over 45 00:04:12,639 --> 00:04:15,759 before it even began. That, my friend, is a matter of opinion. 46 00:04:15,319 --> 00:04:19,319 Perhaps there is no larceny case but I have an idea that instead of 47 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:44,720 it, we're going to have a murder investigation. Hi, miss Henderson dar 48 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,079 in his office. He's on the telephone though. Oh that's okay, you'll 49 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:59,079 want to see me. But I actually know something developed. Five. Hello, 50 00:05:00,079 --> 00:05:03,199 Yah, I just got to report on that suicide note found at Joe 51 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:08,759 Sohmer's house. Yes, completely legitimate. Da, we had our experts checked 52 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:12,360 the writing. There's no question but that Joe Sohmer wrote it. He wrote 53 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,160 a suicide note apparently jumped from the roof of his house. What do you 54 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,279 mean apparently, Well, final Vans thought it might be murdered. Oh he 55 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:25,199 did. Yes, that guy thinks everything is murdered. I'm waiting for the 56 00:05:25,319 --> 00:05:28,560 day when there's a murder case that he'll say it's suicide. You'll have a 57 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,920 long wait. Heath Vants doesn't often make mistakes. Ah, everybody makes mistakes, 58 00:05:31,959 --> 00:05:35,879 do you even? I do? Not? You, Sergeant? Yeah? 59 00:05:35,959 --> 00:05:40,199 Me? And if I can make them, I guess Vans can make 60 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,399 him once in a while too. The possibility is there on data. Well. 61 00:05:43,439 --> 00:05:46,279 The only thing is I can't ever remember Vans being wrong or any length 62 00:05:46,279 --> 00:06:00,800 of time. I don't imagine I'll beat along, Missus Sommer, thank you 63 00:06:00,879 --> 00:06:03,759 for letting me use this desk. It's quite all right, mister Vans. 64 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:09,399 But just what are you writing? Nothing? Really just scribbling? Are there 65 00:06:09,439 --> 00:06:12,120 any more pens in this house? You've tried all of them that I could 66 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,439 find, including Joe's fountain pen. What's the big idea? I won't know 67 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,560 whether or not it's a big idea until later. Now, Oh, there's 68 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,839 someone at the door. Excuse me, Oh, go right ahead, Missus 69 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:26,040 Sommer. Please don't let me dis you any more than you have you mean, 70 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,000 yes, oh, mister Dale, Missus Sommer, may I come in? 71 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:36,040 Why? Yes, yes, of course I have company, as you 72 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:41,800 can see, follow vents the private investigator. Mister Vants, this is Alfred 73 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,639 Dale on my husband's party. You doos. It took Joe's death to get 74 00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:48,439 you over to our house, didn't it, mister Dale. Well too bad 75 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,480 you didn't find time to come here while he was still alive. Missus Sommer, 76 00:06:51,519 --> 00:06:55,920 I assure you excuse me please, missus Sohmer. I'm finished with those 77 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,319 pens all right now? Can you tell me what your husband was doing on 78 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,240 the roof. I'm trying to find out if he deliberately went up there to 79 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,720 commit suicide, or if he got the idea while he was on the roof. 80 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,079 He left a note the paper say, doesn't that indicate he went up 81 00:07:08,079 --> 00:07:12,480 there to jump? Not necessarily? And I believe I was asking missus sommer, 82 00:07:12,759 --> 00:07:16,040 oh sorry. When I left the house yesterday morning, Vance I asked 83 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,120 Joe to fix the radio aerial on the roof that might have given him the 84 00:07:20,199 --> 00:07:24,800 idea. Yes, it might. May I go up and see the roof 85 00:07:24,879 --> 00:07:27,839 if you like, Wait till I throw a coat over my shoulders, and 86 00:07:27,839 --> 00:07:31,199 now go up with you might just as well see the place where poor Joe 87 00:07:31,279 --> 00:07:35,920 jumped. Like to come up, mister Dale, this way, gentlemen, 88 00:07:36,439 --> 00:07:41,000 up these steps to the second floor. Then we go up through the attic 89 00:07:41,079 --> 00:07:44,360 to the roof. Are you done? There's a light at the top of 90 00:07:44,399 --> 00:07:47,639 these steps. I'll turn it down. You gentlemen might have a little trouble 91 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,079 in the attic. There's no light there, and I'm afraid there are a 92 00:07:50,079 --> 00:07:55,399 lot of trunks lying where aren't practically every attic? Go right ahead, Jack, 93 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:01,560 I'll turn on this light. How see you Dale? Anyone? Well, 94 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,920 there's something about this procession reminds me of the three Delinians. Isn't that 95 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,040 ten little Indians? Not after seven of them were killed. You're perfectly right, 96 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:13,319 of course. Careful now, it's pretty dark up here. Indeed it 97 00:08:13,439 --> 00:08:16,959 is. Just walk straight ahead, mister Dale. There are a few steps 98 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:20,639 leading up to the roof, and all there are times when I, oh, 99 00:08:22,839 --> 00:08:24,839 sorry, I must have kicked one of your trunks. It can stand 100 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:35,720 it. Find the steps, all right, mister Dale. Huh, that's 101 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,440 a good thing you Broughger Coats is somewhere, Yes, I suppose it is. 102 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:45,039 Well, so this is the roof from which your husband jumped, fell, 103 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,840 or was pushed to his death. Pushed My husband killed himself. Dance 104 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,480 there. See there's the aerial I told you about. Look over here on 105 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,200 the other side of it. You see where there's new wire around the insulator. 106 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:01,399 Yes, I do. Apparently your theory was right, missus, sohmer 107 00:09:01,879 --> 00:09:07,759 I imagine. So well, what else do we do now that we're up 108 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,159 here? Not a thing. We've done everything I wanted to do. But 109 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:26,360 what's more important, I've found out everything I wanted to know. I'm just 110 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,080 about to go to bed Markham, but I thought i'd call you and report 111 00:09:28,159 --> 00:09:31,000 what happened today at the Sohmer's house. You know, I'm very anxious here 112 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,919 what you find out. First of all, I met Joe Sohmer's partner, 113 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,639 Alfred Dale. You did. We went up to the room. That's what's 114 00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:41,679 happened. The shots, That what happened. It's all right, my friend. 115 00:09:41,279 --> 00:09:45,240 I'm lying here on the floor, out of reach of any second bullet. 116 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,399 Besides, there's no light in the room now. Somebody fired at me 117 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,080 from the fire escape and got the lamp instead. But man, how can 118 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,399 you be that calm? Somebody just tried to kill you? Yes, I 119 00:09:52,519 --> 00:09:56,399 know, and that means you're right that Sohmer's death wasn't suicide but murder, 120 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,320 and the murderer was just close to you. That isn't the on only thing 121 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,840 the shot meant, Markham. It also meant that I am very close to 122 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:16,399 the murderer. You're a smart dame, you are. Your husband knocks himself 123 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,879 out, and what do you do? You come running to me, Tony? 124 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,000 What is this playground? Tony? Tony? What do you expect from 125 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:28,639 me? They're gonna knock myself out crying? I get smart. You're cute 126 00:10:28,639 --> 00:10:31,840 and I like it, But keep away from me for a while. But 127 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,759 I don't understand why. I don't understand why. I'll tell you why. 128 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:39,480 You inherit a lot of dough and special clause about suicide and your husband's Inschurce 129 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:43,279 takes care of it. May I'm a mud all right? Say you go 130 00:10:43,519 --> 00:10:46,600 for me? So the cups fine? Not so what they say? What 131 00:10:46,799 --> 00:10:50,759 can they say? What can they say? They can say? I knocked 132 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:54,360 off you're old man, so I could get you on that dough Tony about 133 00:10:54,360 --> 00:11:01,000 tony me for now? Yeah, finally got you two day getting all right, 134 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,600 Elia, take it easy. This is the day that took my place. 135 00:11:03,759 --> 00:11:05,799 I was hoping i'd find it here. I'm gonna turn her inside out. 136 00:11:05,799 --> 00:11:11,159 I'm gonna out now, you heard me, I said out? Oh 137 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:13,519 no, you don't. I don't get rid of easy. Nobody's moving into 138 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,759 I get ready to move out, and I'm not ready yet. Get out 139 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,879 of here, Lila? Why because you slat me? Come on? You 140 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,960 slat me before a nice day? What day? Yeah? Yeah? When 141 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:30,519 I say out, I mean out to Sorry about this, I'll make you 142 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:39,200 let me in. I'm sorry, sweetie. Sila's got a temper. You 143 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:43,320 guess she is you're a pretty good guesser. I hate to think what that 144 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,879 girl would have done to me if you hadn't stopped it. Right now, 145 00:11:45,919 --> 00:11:58,279 I'm thinking about what she's gonna do to me because I did. Now, 146 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,879 look, Mark, you listen to me. I know what I'm talking about. 147 00:12:01,039 --> 00:12:05,399 I don't doubt that. Miss Just call me, Lila. I'm going 148 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,600 to hand you the murderer of Joe Sommer, hand him till you're right on 149 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,279 a silver planet. That's all very well, Lilah, except that indications are 150 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,960 that Sohmer committed suicide. He left a note. I don't care what he 151 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,360 left. I know a guy who wanted him dead. Just fool around with 152 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,679 that. Wishing someone were dead rarely as fatal to a victim. Ah, 153 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:31,200 but Tony didn't only wish. He gets what he wants, and he wanted 154 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,799 Missus Sohmer. Joe Sommer was in a way Tony got rid of him. 155 00:12:35,799 --> 00:12:39,960 I don't know how. I just know he did, all right, Lilah, 156 00:12:39,879 --> 00:12:43,279 Let's concede for a moment that you know he did. How do you 157 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:48,440 prove it? That isn't my job. You're the district attorney, aren't you. 158 00:12:48,879 --> 00:12:52,919 I was when I looked glass very just a moment, I want to 159 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,960 call final Vance, you'd be better off calling a cop and having him pick 160 00:12:56,039 --> 00:12:58,000 up Tony Up until now, Lilah, I've been a pretty good judge of 161 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:03,960 my own welfare. Thank you, Hello, Van speaking a Markham Vance, 162 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,080 Listen, there seems to be more and more confirmation of your murder theory about 163 00:13:07,159 --> 00:13:11,320 Joe Sommer. Well, I'm glad to hear it, Markham. Actually, 164 00:13:11,399 --> 00:13:15,799 and originally it wasn't a theory, merely an idea, despite that suicide note, 165 00:13:15,879 --> 00:13:18,000 which has never been explained, but which will be good. Now, 166 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,639 what's the extra confirmation you called me about. Well, there's a girl in 167 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,200 my office, Markham, a girl named Lila who is the ex girlfriend of 168 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:31,879 a racketeer named Tony Lester. She's been superseded by guess who, missus sohmer. 169 00:13:31,039 --> 00:13:33,279 Oh no, Vans, Well, it had to be missus sohmer, 170 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:37,600 or it wouldn't have had any connection with this case, in which event you 171 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,240 wouldn't have called me reasonable, reasonable, understandable, and accurate. That's what 172 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,679 it is. Vance. This girl claims Tony is the kind of character who 173 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,879 wouldn't let a mere murder stand in the way if he wanted something, all 174 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,879 right, anohing Vance, I wasn't talking to you. Oh well, I 175 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,159 thought i'd let you know about this development. Oh thank you. Now I'll 176 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,559 let you know something. Yes, despite the suicide note, which i'll explain 177 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:03,759 some of the time, I'll repeat that it definitely was murder. And I'll 178 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,440 tell you something a little more important, and that is that I also know 179 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:30,879 who pushed Joe Sohmer off the roof. This is District Attorney Markham. The 180 00:14:31,039 --> 00:14:35,559 rooftop murder case began with the apparent suicide of Joe Sohmer. Vance, believing 181 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,559 Sohmer was murdered. His found substantiation of his theory, despite the presence of 182 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:45,320 a bonafide suicide note. Inasmuch as Vance insists it is a murder, I 183 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:48,440 know we have three suspects, Tony Lester, a racketeer, Alfred Dale, 184 00:14:48,519 --> 00:14:54,559 Sohmer's partner, and Sohmer's widow. To continue our investigations. I have met 185 00:14:54,679 --> 00:15:03,000 Vance in the office shared by Sohmer and Day Events. I found the partnership 186 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,919 papers right here in the desk drawer. Vans. You're not listening to me, 187 00:15:09,039 --> 00:15:11,919 Oh yes, I am, my friend. I was just trying out 188 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,320 all the office pens are you through? Now? Now there you will now 189 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:22,759 have my undivided attention. Good. What does the partnership contracts say that in 190 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:28,600 the event of death of one partner, the other partner takes over completely. 191 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,279 I'll tell me. Is Alfred Dale the murderer? I've just found his motive? 192 00:15:33,399 --> 00:15:37,080 Yes, you most certainly have issue promptly evaded, very well, tell 193 00:15:37,159 --> 00:15:41,639 me this. What are you trying all those office pens for? I tried 194 00:15:41,639 --> 00:15:46,320 all of the pens at Sohmer's house with the cooperation of the homicide department. 195 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,279 I borrowed the suicide notes Sohmer left, and I can tell you definitely none 196 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,679 of the pens wrote that note. In fact, I don't believe any of 197 00:15:52,759 --> 00:15:56,919 the pens in this office were used either. But the note was definitely written 198 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:58,639 by Sohmer. So you keep telling me, and I agree that it was. 199 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,120 What's the answer you think Sohmer wrote a suicide note the murderer you he 200 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:08,200 wrote it with the intention of killing himself, but acted regardless hardly, Well, 201 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,679 what's going on in oh how long? Mister Dale? This is District 202 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:15,360 Attorney Mark Ohire. We've been using your office. So I see we have 203 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:18,480 a search warrant, mister Dale. It's entirely legal. It's a little embarrassing. 204 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:21,600 You'll have to admit that, legal or not, mister Dale. If 205 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:25,200 I were you, I wouldn't worry about any embarrassment that might be caused you 206 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,120 in this office. What do you mean? Yesterday when you and I and 207 00:16:29,159 --> 00:16:32,240 Missus Sommer were on the way to the roof, the attic was very dark. 208 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,360 It was that you were in the lead, but you avoided a trunk 209 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,759 that I promptly bumped into. Yes, that's true, now that I recall 210 00:16:38,799 --> 00:16:42,679 it. Missus Sohmers said you'd never been in that house before, yet you 211 00:16:42,799 --> 00:16:48,519 avoided the trunk. Very good eyesight, are a good memory. What do 212 00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:52,320 you mean? I just don't want you to resent our being here. That's 213 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,080 all. We do have good reason. Don't you think? I don't think 214 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,200 I have anything to say that? Mister Dale? Is probably the smartest thing 215 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,519 you've said since you came into this room. What does that mean? I'm 216 00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:06,519 do to be arrested any moment on suspicion of murder. I wouldn't say that, 217 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,759 not any moment, mister Dale. I want to be very sure of 218 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:23,119 my proof before mister Markham makes any arrest in this case. But Tony, 219 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,240 I'm sorry, No, never now, sorry, I am. I went 220 00:17:26,279 --> 00:17:30,920 to the district attorney. She's sorry. She rats on me, Now she's 221 00:17:30,039 --> 00:17:33,000 sorry. Look, I'm getting tired of kicking you out of my apartment. 222 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,200 I've beat in line. Let me say, Tony, I won't be any 223 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:41,480 trouble. Just let me hang around. Oh ah, you're expecting that summer 224 00:17:41,599 --> 00:17:45,880 day, she's gonna be hearing. Shut up? You don't you talk about 225 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,759 it. I don't even say her name. Oh I'm not good enough to 226 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:51,640 say her name. Huh say it. I'll scream it for everybody, can 227 00:17:51,759 --> 00:17:56,160 hear? All right? Get out, get out fast? Before I came 228 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,599 my mind, start tossing you out? Why are you going to me? 229 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,240 Tony? You make me sick? How did I have a go for a 230 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,440 tame like you? Anyhow? Sometimes I think I'm okay. Lets they're opening 231 00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:15,680 up in there? Who is it? Open up? You already did it 232 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,359 to me, didn't you, Lina. I'm gonna get out of here. 233 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,640 I can't stand a pinch right now to lift the door unlocked when I came 234 00:18:22,759 --> 00:18:26,119 in. Are you okay? Unless they're holding You're not going anywhere according the 235 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:32,079 yo. According to me, I'm leaving right this, okay, okay, 236 00:18:33,519 --> 00:18:37,720 thanks for the warning shot. I can take ahead. He want me to 237 00:18:37,799 --> 00:18:42,200 go with you? I go. Come to think of it, even you'll 238 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:56,480 be better company than this. What is it you wanted now? It's your 239 00:18:56,519 --> 00:19:00,079 pants. All the clippings you have on a man named Joe Summer, I 240 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,319 don't imagine there'll be too many. Well, if his name was ever in 241 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:04,960 our paper, we'd have the clips in an envelope. You don't want the 242 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,440 stuff on a suici idea. It's a good thing those clippings have been filed. 243 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:14,440 It T T T T two S S S E T s A s 244 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:22,039 Oh. Here we are Seee Savansky, Skelly small small small, Oh, 245 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:30,559 here we are Summer Joe. Here's the involved mister fancy. He feels kind 246 00:19:30,599 --> 00:19:34,599 of thin. Well I expect that. Let's see what's in it. M 247 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:40,880 hmm. Two clippings, one day to five years ago. A little item 248 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:48,400 about the marriage of Joe Simmer and Dorothy Blaine. The other interesting huh very 249 00:19:48,279 --> 00:19:51,839 this first clipping is even more revealing. However, in the light of the 250 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,839 second one. Listen to this first one introduced only three months ago, at 251 00:19:55,839 --> 00:20:00,440 a beach club, Dorothy Blaine and Joe Sommer culminated a whirlwind romance in marriage. 252 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,279 At the home soon Zoon last night, a couple left for a honeymoon 253 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,680 in Bermuda. Well that's not too unusual in view of this it is. 254 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,640 Listen, here's the second clipping. Jo Sohmer, local businessman and partner in 255 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,799 the firm of Sohmer and Dale, was taken to Mercy Hospital this morning suffering 256 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,440 from a nervous collapse. According to Alfred Dale, only his fortunate earlier arrival 257 00:20:22,519 --> 00:20:27,559 at the office prevented his partner suicide. That means something. It does to 258 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:42,240 me. It's going to mean a whole lot more to Alfred Dale. Tony, 259 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,279 Tony, Oh it's you, Tony. I waited out here in the 260 00:20:47,319 --> 00:20:49,440 street to find out what would happen to you. I heard you were arrested 261 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,160 her and I was arrested. Share I was arrested by IM. Did they 262 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,359 think you killed my husband? I do? I know what they think. 263 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:56,680 All I know is I'm getting out of time. I'm going with I'd up 264 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,480 your job. I need you like I need a hole in my head. 265 00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:03,160 You are king me going home to pack right now. I'll meet you at 266 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,720 the airport in an hour. She sut to take me, Tony. It'll 267 00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:18,799 be so much better for you if you do. Look, I'm a busy 268 00:21:18,839 --> 00:21:21,279 man, Vance. I can't be running around town just because you call me 269 00:21:21,319 --> 00:21:22,920 and want me to be somewhere. You won't be bothered very much longer, 270 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,720 mister Dale. That's good. I wonder why Missus Simmer doesn't answer her bell. 271 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:32,799 You'd better try it again. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps 272 00:21:32,839 --> 00:21:34,400 she isn't home? And did it ever occur to you that this house might 273 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,359 be watched? And if you weren't home, that man across the street, 274 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,880 who happens to be Sergeant Heap of the Homicide Department, would have told me 275 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,400 what still happened. Mister Vans. Yes, and mister Dale, your husband's 276 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:51,079 partner. You two remember each other. Of course we're coming in, Missus 277 00:21:51,079 --> 00:21:53,400 Simmer. Yes, of course. I really don't know what I'm doing here, 278 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,559 Missus Sommer, I don't either. What is it you want? Vans? 279 00:21:57,759 --> 00:22:00,599 We want to go into the living room. One thing. We'll talk 280 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,359 out here if you don't mind. Oh but I do, well, Well, 281 00:22:04,759 --> 00:22:08,799 what's that I see in the living room, a trunk going somewhere, 282 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:14,920 missus, sohmer, Come in, gentlemen, Yes, I was going somewhere. 283 00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:19,519 I was leaving town. Any objections fans? Definitely, missus, sohmer. 284 00:22:19,559 --> 00:22:22,680 Do you own a gun? Of course not? What kind of a 285 00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:26,200 question is there? Figure it out? You see, the person who killed 286 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,480 your husband fired a shot at me the other night. You are convinced that 287 00:22:29,599 --> 00:22:33,079 someone killed my husband, Yes, that he didn't commit sus that that's right? 288 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,599 Dale. Do you own a gun? Why? I'll come now. 289 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,279 It'll probably be on record if you do. All right, Vans, I 290 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,279 own a gun and I carry it. I'll take it if you don't mind, 291 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,000 you are, thank you? Pardon my back a moment, missus. 292 00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:57,680 Sure, that's what are you trying to stop? Right there? Dale? 293 00:22:59,519 --> 00:23:03,240 I want you to remember something for me just one second while I lay your 294 00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:07,960 gun down on the table. Now, now what, mister Dale? Do 295 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,039 you recall that about six or seven years ago your partner tried to commit suicide? 296 00:23:12,839 --> 00:23:15,720 Yes, I do you love to suicide? Note at that time? 297 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:22,319 What happened to it? Why? I don't know? I do it's the 298 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,680 same suicide. Note the police found in this house just after mister Sohmer was 299 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,400 pushed off the roof. It had to be. There wasn't a pen in 300 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,240 this house or in your office that matched the pen or ink used in that 301 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:36,640 letter. The police founded the first suicide note planted here to indicate Sohmer really 302 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,880 did it the second time. Why are you trying to prove? And if 303 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,880 it's the fact that I murdered my husband, let me inform you that I 304 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,960 never even knew him when he tried to kill himself the first time. That's 305 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,039 correct. You didn't. Oh, I see what you're driving at him? 306 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,000 That's good. I took the note six years ago, kept it kill Somemer 307 00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:55,160 the other day and left the note here. And you thought I was in 308 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,119 this house before when you discovered I didn't trip over the trunk in the darknetic 309 00:23:57,519 --> 00:24:00,480 Is that what I'm driving at? Well, it must be. But I 310 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:03,599 won't stand for advance. I won't be famed for murder. Stop right where 311 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,759 you are, dale, do yourself a favor. Don't make me force you 312 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:12,960 to stay missus Sommer. Yeah, you killed your husband, of course, 313 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,279 so you say, so I say, and so I can prove. And 314 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,799 you know I'm not bluffing, don't you? You knew you gave yourself a 315 00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:22,839 way up on the roof the other day. That's the reason you tried to 316 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,319 kill me in my apartment. Yes, I know you're not bluffing. I 317 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,880 realize what I did, and I realize that I've got to kill you. 318 00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:36,599 Now you realize that too, don't you. She's picked up my guns. 319 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,200 She won't use it. Oh no, Missus Sommer, I won't use it. 320 00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:41,240 Her vants, that's what you think, Ranch. My gun is Horry. 321 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,839 He knows and he must know that I'm going to shoot both of you. 322 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:48,880 Now. The gun won't fire, Missus Sohmer. I took out the 323 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,440 bullets when I turned my back on you a moment ago. Now I'll take 324 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:56,720 that gun away. That will be all, Missus Sohmer. All that is 325 00:24:56,759 --> 00:25:22,559 except my explaining to mister Markham how I knew it was you? Well, 326 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,279 Vans, I guess there isn't anything more to tell him this case except the 327 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,799 most important thing of all. How do you know it was missus Sommer. 328 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,079 First of all, we know from her confession that she found her husband's old 329 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,599 suicide note. Van, Please, how did you know she was the murderer? 330 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,000 Or Markham? She claimed she was not at home when her husband allegedly 331 00:25:38,079 --> 00:25:41,039 jumped to his death. She said he went up to the roof to fix 332 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,640 a radio aial, and that's what gave him the idea to come down, 333 00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:48,359 write the suicide note, then go back and jump. That was her story. 334 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:52,640 She said she hadn't been on the roof after her husband was killed until 335 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:55,720 she went up with Dale and me. Yet she knew the area was broken, 336 00:25:55,839 --> 00:25:57,240 or she could have known that without going up there. Markham a wired 337 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,599 dangling bad reception if a radio set were in good order a number of ways. 338 00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:06,119 There was one thing she couldn't know, though, how it had been 339 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,759 fixed. She walked right over to the spot where a new wire had been 340 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:12,279 wound around the insulator. Yes, the only way she could have known that 341 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,640 was if she had been there when her husband was fixing it, or of 342 00:26:17,759 --> 00:26:21,839 course, immediately after, which wasn't likely. It couldn't have been immediately after 343 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,440 nance she had to leave the house after pushing him off the roof. She 344 00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:26,759 probably left by a back exit, went shopping, and returned in time to 345 00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:32,240 hear the bad news. Undoubtedly, when she walked through the aerial, she 346 00:26:32,319 --> 00:26:34,519 knew she'd made a mistake, but she wasn't sure that I knew what she 347 00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:37,279 had done. Oh, she tried to kill me so as to be on 348 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,960 the safe side. But then when I let her alone for a while, 349 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,200 she thought perhaps I hadn't noticed her error, and she didn't try to kill 350 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,920 me again. Yes, I let her alone, as you must realize, 351 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,400 because I wanted to be absolutely sure about her. I know that her motive 352 00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:56,759 was money, money, and her love for Tony Lester Vance. One thing 353 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,200 has always puzzled me about this case. You never knew Joe Sohmer. All 354 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:03,079 you saw was his covered body the day we went up to his house. 355 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,960 Yet you didn't believe it was suicide even then. Why something you said, 356 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:11,440 Markham Something, I said something you and the police officer said, Robert, 357 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,759 you told me how considerate a man Joe Sohmer was as we were driving over 358 00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:18,359 to see him. As a policeman said that Sohmer narrowly escaped hitting some people 359 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,759 who were walking in front of his house when he Joe, I see what 360 00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:22,400 you mean. A considerate man would have made sure he wasn't going to injure 361 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,079 anyone else, even though he had decided to do away with himself. That's 362 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,079 right of course, I wasn't sure, but subsequent events convinced me I was 363 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,079 right. All I can say is that fortunately for us, we had you 364 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:36,000 to get to the bottom of this murder. Thank you, But that's completely 365 00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:38,480 unimportant. The only thing that matters is that when we reached the bottom of 366 00:27:38,519 --> 00:28:53,400 the murder, we reached the end of the rooftop murder case the cost of 367 00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:10,359 welcome back. This is a case where the murderer outsmarted herself. If she 368 00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:17,119 had not planted the suicide note, I think that most people would assume that 369 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:25,119 her husband fell from the roof accidentally, and that would answer Vance's immediate concern 370 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,640 that he had jumped in such a way that he nearly hit two people. 371 00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:36,920 Now, the gangster referenced a suicide clause in her husband's policy, but a 372 00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:44,720 suicide clause wouldn't generally mean an extra payout. Generally, a suicide clause says 373 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:52,039 that you can't commit suicide and have your beneficiaries collect. But oftentimes in modern 374 00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:57,720 day policies there's a time limit on that, for example, twelve months or 375 00:29:57,799 --> 00:30:03,279 twenty four months times that set by statute. I did love the almost metapart 376 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:11,119 where Markham was dumbfounded about what Vance guessed about the woman in his office, 377 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:18,319 and Vance essentially said, well, logically she is going to be tied up 378 00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:22,440 in this or you wouldn't be calling me about it since we're in the middle 379 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,440 of this murder case. And then, of course Markham being Markham, Vance 380 00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:30,200 had to explain when something wasn't a clue. When Markham was like, aha, 381 00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:36,359 well she knew the radio aerial wasn't working, and Vance is like, 382 00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:40,759 yeah, she could have known that without being on the roof. That's not 383 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,599 the clue. All right, Well, listener comments and feedback now, and 384 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:52,599 we have a comment from Debrah and this one comes from the Spotify Q and 385 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,480 A, and she wrote on a recent episode of Follow Vans, thank you 386 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:03,559 Adam, I enjoy your podcast. I have to admit I like less polished 387 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,279 sound. I don't want it to sound too new. And I think this 388 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:14,519 may have been one of the first few episodes where I was talking about radio 389 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,720 archives. And I think that there are two sides of this. There is 390 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:25,440 something to be said for sound having like that sort of scratchy I feel, 391 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,359 you know, that thing that makes it sound like authentically old that may appeal 392 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:36,480 to some listeners. And even when it comes to authenticity. When we are 393 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:42,200 listening to an old time radio recording where it's been cleaned up and it sounds 394 00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:51,880 very pristine, we're probably listening to it at a quality and level that's far 395 00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:57,359 greater than what original listeners heard, you know, unless they had very high 396 00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:05,519 end radio sets and they were you know, perfectly located near transmitters. When 397 00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:12,680 you're listening to an old time radio program and it's got some of those defects, 398 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,680 you know, you have to think you're probably listening to it to a 399 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:22,480 similar quality that a lot of people hurt it, you know, depending on 400 00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:25,440 the quality of their sets. If you've just got like an Okay radio set 401 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:35,319 or in Okay sound system, that listening experience is not going to be all 402 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:44,720 that different from someone listening online to a thirty two kbps recording that sort of 403 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,799 at that bare minimum level of being able to be listened to. Now, 404 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,960 if you like those sort of recordings, the good news is there are always 405 00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:59,000 going to be a lot of them. For various reasons. There are so 406 00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:08,599 many recording out there where what we have are digitalized files that based on recordings 407 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:15,920 that come from like you know, multiple generations out from the original transcription disc 408 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:21,880 and have been transferred and our copies of copies, and that's the best we're 409 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,640 going to get For some programs, those are always going to exist, and 410 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,319 we'll play them when that's the best we have available. But I also think 411 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:39,839 that there really are benefits when it comes to listening to higher quality, more 412 00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:49,799 first generation material, even if that audio is much higher quality than your average 413 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,880 radio listener during the Golden Age of radio may have enjoyed. Beyond it sounding 414 00:33:55,079 --> 00:34:01,480 nicer, I think it makes it more attractive to people who have never heard 415 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,680 programs from the Golden Age or radio. I know that listening to a lot 416 00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:14,039 of imperfections is not going to be appealing if you're not already a died in 417 00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:21,000 the wool fan. And there's something about radio and about audio that makes it 418 00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:25,239 feel a bit more timeless. When you're watching a black and white movie or 419 00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:31,599 TV show, or an old program from the seventies or I guess the eighties 420 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:37,480 or nineties. Now as I'm getting old, you can't help but be filled 421 00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:43,199 with the awareness that you're watching people from another time, another era. And 422 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,079 you know, when you're talking about movies and TV shows from the fifties, 423 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:53,079 people who lived a long time ago and are very different from yourself. You 424 00:34:53,280 --> 00:35:00,519 don't necessarily have those same constant reminders if you're listening to a hot quality radio 425 00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:08,199 drama that sounds like really crisp and fresh. And I also think that even 426 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:14,840 if it's not something that the original listeners, many of them could have heard. 427 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,639 There are also little bits of artistry that kind of get lost when you 428 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:29,960 get into degraded audio. One example, probably my favorite music program from the 429 00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:37,800 Golden Age of radio is the Hour of Charm. This was a program featuring 430 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:45,760 Phil Spatoni and his and I quote the group name All Girl Orchestra and Evelyn 431 00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:52,719 and her Magic Violin. Now, I have to admit I love the chorus. 432 00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:59,280 Their voices are beautiful, and Spatoni just had great taste in the music 433 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,719 that he late. But the big feature of Evelyn and her Magic Violin. 434 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:12,559 Didn't get that. It sounded like we're a pretty decent violin. Good performance, 435 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:19,119 but I didn't see why it was such a highlight of the program. 436 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:24,280 But most of the recordings of the Hour of Charm are just kind of decent. 437 00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:30,760 You know, you don't have a whole lot of really high quality recordings, 438 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:37,800 but I listened to one recently and I enjoyed this so much. The 439 00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:45,800 chorus sounded better than ever. But then we got to the violin and I 440 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:51,719 heard Evelyn playing and I finally got it, and it was just a small, 441 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,079 fine detail, And I think it's really hard to pick up if you 442 00:36:55,159 --> 00:37:04,079 don't have a high quality recording, or if you weren't there in the auditorium 443 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:09,079 where she was playing. And certainly that has applications to audio drama. You 444 00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:17,400 can appreciate fine details of an actor's performance, subtleties that they bring that you 445 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:22,280 know it going to be lost if you're not listening to the best quality sound. 446 00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:29,519 So it's an interesting I comment, and I think there really are points 447 00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:36,480 both way. When there's decent, listenable audio, I'm not going to turn 448 00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:42,800 it down. But when we've got an opportunity to place something better with better 449 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,719 quality, I'm certainly going to go for that. All Right, Well, 450 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,840 now it's time to thank our Patreon supporter of the day, and I want 451 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,159 to go ahead and thank Edell. Edell has been one of our Patreon supporters 452 00:37:55,239 --> 00:38:00,400 since April of twenty twenty one, currently supporting the program. I'm at the 453 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,440 rookie level of two dollars or more per month. Thanks so much for the 454 00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:07,880 support e Dell, and that will actually do it for today. If you 455 00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:13,039 are enjoying this podcast, I encourage you to follow us using your favorite podcast 456 00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:17,079 software and be sure to rate and review us wherever you download this podcast from. 457 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,239 We'll be back next Thursday with another episode of Follow Vans, But join 458 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,159 us back here tomorrow for yours truly Johnny Doller, where we will conclude the 459 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:35,639 story from Tuesday with Johnny Doller. Johnny Doller, the insurance investigator. This 460 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,199 is miss Ebat, isn't it. Yes? What are you doing in the 461 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,760 stable office waiting for you to call me? Your father threw me off the 462 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,639 farm a few minutes ago. A man named Kelly, who works for your 463 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,360 dad said he really didn't mean it, said he'd fix it up for me 464 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:52,280 to talk to you, Colly. I guess that's why he asked me to 465 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,960 phone the stable office. You told me the horse wasn't injured, shouldn't have 466 00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:00,440 been destroyed. I hope you didn't believe all that, mister Doll. Well, 467 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:01,920 now look, I've got to settle a sixty five thousand dollars claim on 468 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,000 the death of a race horse. The carcass was cremated, and I have 469 00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:08,199 no evidence that the horse was destroyed or even injured. I don't know what 470 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,079 to believe yet, but I can tell you this. Don't ever talk to 471 00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:15,320 an insurance investigator the way you did earlier today, not unless you can back 472 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,599 it up. My you sound grim. You sound like it's a laughing matter. 473 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,480 Hardly anything's a laughing matter. I hope you'll be with us then. 474 00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:29,920 In the meantime, do you send your comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives 475 00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:34,360 dot net, Follow us on Twitter at Radio Detectives, and check us out 476 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:39,280 on Instagram, Instagram, dot com, slash Great Detectives From Boise, Ottaho. 477 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,039 This is your host, Adam graham Son and Off