WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:19.559 Thank you for listening to Pictures Media Radio. Welcome to Policy and Rights, 2 00:00:21.160 --> 00:01:02.119 the show about the government policy and human rights. My eyes are on the 3 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:06.319 fire where the cries of innocent echoing the rabbil. My eyes are on Kashmiri 4 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:10.359 pandit's fighting for their lost homes. My eyes are on the Hindus in Pakistan 5 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:14.599 facing daily fears and uncertainties. My eyes are on the Hindus in Banglad. 6 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:19.120 They're seeking safety and dignity. My eyes are on every death, every act 7 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:23.439 of ethnic cleansing, every war, and every genocide. It breaks my heart 8 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:26.400 to see some people using religion as a tool of division. I believe humanity 9 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:32.120 should always come first. But if true religion teaches us to put humanity above 10 00:01:32.200 --> 00:01:36.480 all, we fail to understand that we're all tiny creatures on a tiny piece 11 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:40.680 of rock going around the sun. Let's make that experience bed for everyone else. 12 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:47.280 My welcome back to Paul Saying Rach Here in Depictions of Media Radio, 13 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:52.799 I'm your host, Michael Klogs. You know it's I'm trying to sound more 14 00:01:52.799 --> 00:02:01.359 and more like this angry podcaster who has to slam every pece of of mass 15 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:09.199 media that comes across my desk. This it's it's becoming a little bit. 16 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:20.360 I don't know, it's just way out there. Things do not need to 17 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:29.719 be as polarized as what they are. Things do not need to be This 18 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:32.439 one is completely right and that one is completely wrong. That is not how 19 00:02:32.479 --> 00:02:40.280 our world works. Our world works on a balance. And at this point, 20 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:45.159 right now, when I look out and I see all the polarization is 21 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:49.840 out there, it tells me that our world is completely out of whack and 22 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:57.599 that the common people need to take some sort of action to help set things 23 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:04.000 right. Our world is is at this point, is on fire. We 24 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:12.879 have war brewing and destruction happening in Eastern Europe with Ukraine and Russia. We 25 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:17.240 have in the Middle East a over a one hundred year of fire burning in 26 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:27.639 Palestine and Gaza is It's just about leveled. Even while I'm actually saying this, 27 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:37.879 hundreds of hundreds and hundreds of innocent people are being shot and killed because 28 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:46.639 of an imbalance between the Hamas and Israel. Neither side is absolutely correct, 29 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:53.439 and the mass media wants you to think that one side has to be absolutely 30 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:58.879 correct and the other side has to be absolutely wrong, and that isn't true. 31 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:09.759 You heard that ahead of all this it. Yes, the speaker there 32 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:13.960 is being a bit poetic, but when we look around the world, look 33 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:19.480 at what we're seeing. Just look at what we're seeing, all the hatred 34 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:27.240 that is being brewed up and thrown as the big corporations are trying to keep 35 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:33.920 us under control. We're going to listen to a congressional hearing in the United 36 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:40.759 States with doctor Fauci as they're trying to discover what went wrong in some areas 37 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:46.240 with the pandemic, and they're going to actually slam podcasters. Hey, I'm 38 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:51.319 a podcaster. You're listening to a podcast right now, and I'm trying to 39 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:57.720 teach you to one think for yourself and think about the balance that is actually 40 00:04:57.759 --> 00:05:04.560 happening. Okay, So you're going to hear doctor Fauci say that the vaccine 41 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:15.279 that was created during the pandemic to combat against COVID nineteen absolutely most emphatically saves 42 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:26.040 lives. And there is a big question mark on that does that vaccine save 43 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:36.319 lives? It is possible that at one point it could save lives, but 44 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:46.279 because the pharmaceutical companies were allowed to break so many protocols into bringing that virus 45 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:53.560 to fruition and bringing it to the public. There is a lot of questions 46 00:05:53.639 --> 00:06:00.439 about it safety that the science community brought up, that hey, something went 47 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:09.759 haywire with medicine and because well we have to the big corporations say that we 48 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:15.839 have to keep science separated, that physicists have to only speak about physics, 49 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:19.920 chemists can only speak about chemicals, which I'm going to get back to, 50 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:29.560 back to my old profession chemistry. In a second, biology can only speak 51 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:34.519 about biologists and medicine, well, they have to be the top of the 52 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:48.360 heap because they save people's lives. It couldn't be a bigger croc The protocols 53 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:58.279 that were put in place years ago for vaccines were broken. The science community 54 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:05.399 said, hey, flag on the play we have. We have a foul 55 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:13.560 that we can't have. How can we have a vaccine come out in less 56 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:25.480 than eleven months and proclaim that it is safe when it usually takes the shortest 57 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:30.720 the shortest pharmaceutical I ever heard of before that coming out into the public saying 58 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:40.759 that it will save lives took at least five years. That it takes that 59 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:46.800 long to actually release something to the public because of the studies that need to 60 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:56.120 be done to make sure that it's not going to kill people. Now, 61 00:07:56.399 --> 00:08:01.279 there are a lot of conspiracy theories out there. It's off the rails. 62 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:09.399 If they they're so they are so out of touch with reality, it's ridiculous. 63 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:16.680 Yes, and listen to them for entertainment value. Gather whatever bits of 64 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:24.480 information you can from them to find other ways to look for what you want 65 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:31.080 to believe is true. Okay. At the same time, we have the 66 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:39.519 flip side to that that the pharmaceutical industry is also off the rail. There 67 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:50.120 used to be laws against advertising any type of pharmaceutical on television or in public 68 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:58.279 unless it went through a group of doctors first. And okay, most recent 69 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:03.720 one, OSMA, it's out there. It's going to save you if you 70 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:11.720 have diabetes, because it's gonna make your blood sugar drop like a stone. 71 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:20.000 So now you have people being now bombarding, Oh, I have diabetes, 72 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:26.200 I need asmonic, and they're going to their doctor and they're demanding this new 73 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:31.279 life saving drug because they've been programmed to think that it's going to work when 74 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:39.720 reality is that in a lot of respects, if we were to curb ourselves 75 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:46.840 from the genetically modified foods and the white sugars and white flowers that are out 76 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:54.399 there, then maybe we wouldn't find our pankers is dying from over work. 77 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:05.519 There's a lot of things happening out there that are being done simply to control 78 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:16.639 us. Let's try not to make independent media via podcasts one of those things. 79 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:26.799 Let's try to come to an understanding that we all find an enlightened path 80 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:37.200 and that we question what is being told us because we want to understand. 81 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:45.240 We don't want the information spood fed to us. We want information that is 82 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:54.919 given to us so that we can make up our own minds. This is 83 00:10:54.960 --> 00:11:03.399 what we have today is mass media telling us part of the story so that 84 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:11.480 they can control what it is that we're thinking. They have us so that 85 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:20.559 we're at each other's throats over what is happening in areas like Ukraine, Kashmir. 86 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:26.799 Wait, most of us don't even know what Kashmir is. We don't 87 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:35.039 know about the ethnic cleansing that is happening in the western part of China. 88 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:43.720 We don't know about that because, well, simply put, there's no profit 89 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:48.519 to it. So the corporations don't even want to be bothered with it. 90 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:54.519 They ignore it. And if it's ignored it and it doesn't exist. They 91 00:11:54.559 --> 00:12:01.519 don't want us to know about how the mining companies are causing the unrest in 92 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:09.639 parts of Africa. Oh wait, could that means Syria and in the DRC 93 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:16.399 that are forever having uprisings. They don't want us to know about those sort 94 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:22.200 of things because hey, if we found out about them, we might protest 95 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:28.440 against and therefore their profit goes out the window. And oh wait, then 96 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:37.039 they can't sell us the newest, the greatest, latest, greatest tesla or 97 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:43.159 the latest greatest cell phone. Oh wait, we don't even buy them anymore. 98 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:46.840 We leased them so that they can keep looping us looping the new the 99 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:52.320 newest one at us. Well that your least is expired on that, so 100 00:12:52.480 --> 00:13:03.000 here's the new one. It's all designed to give the corporations more profit. 101 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:13.000 And at this point, the average person, the average working class individual out 102 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:18.679 there, is starving just to put food on their table and to keep a 103 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:33.200 roof of their heads. It's time to push it back. Buy less. 104 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:37.759 Of course, it's so expensive that kind of starting to make more and more 105 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:52.320 sense by less. Listen before you leap and question every piece of information that 106 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:58.679 is put in front of you, including what I just said. So why 107 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:01.879 don't we listen to that congressional hearing. We're going to listen to some clips 108 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:13.519 from that as Yeah, doctor Valsci should have some defenders. There's nothing absolutely 109 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:18.000 wrong about the work that he did. He did it in the name of 110 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:28.200 trying to save people's lives against an invader. That invader was the coronavirus COVID 111 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:35.600 COVID nineteen. So why don't we listen to some of that and start to 112 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:41.120 make up your own mind about what it is that is happening in our world 113 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:48.679 and what you can do to spread a better world around for our future generations. 114 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:54.360 But every single day I was mayor during the time of the pandemic, 115 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:58.799 I remember how painful it was to close businesses, to shut down schools, 116 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:03.879 But how quickly we forget the pain and how scared we were as a country. 117 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:07.600 We were washing our groceries as they were coming in. We were keeping 118 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:13.159 seniors at a distance the tragedy that was happening in our nursing homes. Thousands 119 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:16.840 of people were dying a day. And you and your team are the best 120 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:22.399 and the brightest scientists in this country in the world. We're doing everything that 121 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:26.360 you could and working night and day to save more and more of those lives. 122 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:30.879 A lot of my colleagues know that my mom was a healthcare worker during 123 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:35.919 the pandemic. My mom died of COVID. My stepfather died of COVID. 124 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:39.440 I lost both of my parents during the pandemic. So I take this very 125 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:43.360 personally, especially when other members of this body who are tasked to be responsible 126 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:48.120 and actually help the American people attack medical professionals like you and across the world. 127 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:52.320 Vaccines, the vaccine that you and your team helped foster, have saved 128 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:58.120 millions of American lives. These attacks are ridiculous. Now, even before this 129 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:00.320 committee started, and I'm going to point a few out, Even before this 130 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:04.600 committee started, this same member that just went on this rant introduced the fire 131 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:10.879 Fauci Act and promoted on a podcast seeing that COVID was a bioweapon. That 132 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:14.240 is how insane some of these comments are. And I want to quote this. 133 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:17.720 This is a quote from the same member. I don't believe in evolution. 134 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:22.720 These viruses were not making people sick until they created them. They weaponize 135 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:25.440 these viruses to be able to attach to ourselves and make us sick. It's 136 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:29.919 a bioweapon. The they created them, sir, is you. They are 137 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:34.039 attacking you in our medical community for actually creating COVID that has caused the deaths 138 00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:40.559 of millions, and we know that these extreme comments are targeting public health officials 139 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:44.799 across the country. I also want to show you this other comment, same 140 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:49.399 member who just attacked you, the FAUCI funded Wuhan lab created the virus. 141 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:55.799 This is so crazy and irresponsible. In this post, the same member this 142 00:16:55.879 --> 00:17:00.519 committee is accusing you of orchestrating a global conspiracy to create COVID on purpose just 143 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:06.319 to make people get vaccines. That you've done this, sir. The same 144 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:12.920 member routinely promotes complete misinformation about vaccines and actually has encouraged the routine prevention of 145 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:18.599 vaccinations that even eliminate diseases like the measles. Doctor Froggy, you've brought together 146 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:23.599 our nation and the world's best and brightest scientists take on COVID and create a 147 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:26.839 vaccine that works. I want to ask you a question. I want to 148 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:33.559 be crystal clear for the public. You brought together the world and America's best 149 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:38.640 scientists. Do you believe that the vaccine that you all helped create and ensure 150 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:45.799 is safe and effective for the public. Yes, and it's track record has 151 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:49.440 proven that. And do you also agree that it's saved hundreds of thousands and 152 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:56.400 possibly millions of lives in America and across the world. That is absolutely correct, 153 00:17:56.680 --> 00:18:02.119 and it's very clear that it's saved millions of lives here and throughout the 154 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:07.039 world. The Europeans have done the same studies that we have, and the 155 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:11.720 data are incontrovertible that they save lives, sir. And do you think the 156 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:18.759 American public should listen to America's brightest and best doctors and scientists or instead listen 157 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:23.960 to podcasters, conspiracy theorists, and unhinged Facebook memes. Now, listening to 158 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:30.319 people who you've just described is going to do nothing but harm people because they 159 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:34.799 will deprive themselves of life saving interventions, which has happened. And you know 160 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:41.519 some have done studies. Peter Hotez has done an analysis of this and shows 161 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:47.880 that in people who refuse to get vaccinated for any a variety of reasons probably 162 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:52.640 responsible for an additional two to three hundred thousand deaths in this country. Thank 163 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:55.160 you, sir, and your entire team for saving lives in this country. 164 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:56.759 And I'm sorry you have to continue going on with these attacks. I go 165 00:18:56.960 --> 00:19:03.279 back. Oh, thank you, You're not allowed to Thank you very much, 166 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:06.279 Chairman. Could you ever remove from Yes? Thank you ever removed? 167 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:15.119 Excuse me? I asked the capital please to escort. Yeh think you she 168 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.680 can be removed. Yeah, you can be removed. Actually not allowed to 169 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:22.440 speak. Think your Starbucks with you, mister Garcia, mister Reskin, You're 170 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:30.799 out of line. Your times have expired. Now recognize doctor Jackson from Texas 171 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:34.920 for five minutes of questions. Thank you, mister Chairman, Doctor Fauci, 172 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:40.079 I have to say I, as so many Americans, am deeply disappointed in 173 00:19:40.119 --> 00:19:42.079 your actions during your critical time in our nation's history, while you were in 174 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:48.000 key leadership roles as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease 175 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:52.400 and as the chief medical advisor to President Biden. Put quite simply, you 176 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:55.960 felt miserably. In my opinion, based on all we have learned during the 177 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:59.680 pandemic and all that we have since learned through this committee's work, I believe 178 00:19:59.799 --> 00:20:03.599 you're failures stem from both an effort of self preservation manifested by a series of 179 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:07.880 lives and cover up and by a total failure of leadership. It was obvious 180 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:12.000 to everyone that you and your organization NIH had a lot to lose if the 181 00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:17.359 American people were to discover that COVID nineteen was most likely leaked from a lab 182 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:21.359 in Wuhan, China, and that you, via Eco Health Alliance in Peter 183 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:26.279 Dazac, actually funded this research, and that this lab was actively and recklessly 184 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:30.480 conducting gain of function research. As such, you did everything in your power 185 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:33.440 to deflect and cover up this possibility. You even recruited others to help you 186 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:37.440 in this effort. Unfortunately, this cost our country and the world valuable time, 187 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:41.839 time that may have led to answers regarding the origin, may have blunted 188 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:47.039 the spread and would have almost certainly saved lives. While I think most of 189 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:51.000 us have known all along what I just described, what I have been appalled 190 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:55.000 to discover through sworn testimony to this committee is the level of which you and 191 00:20:55.039 --> 00:20:57.400 those that worked for you went to cover up the obvious. Just a few 192 00:20:57.400 --> 00:21:00.160 examples and another these have been touched on, but they're important for everyone to 193 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:06.359 hear. Doctor Lawrence Taybak, former acting Director of NIH, testified that under 194 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:11.640 the generic definition that NIH did in fact fund gain a function research. This 195 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:15.960 was based on a definition that was initially used by NIH, and a definition 196 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:19.119 that was abandoned and removed from the website in October of twenty twenty one and 197 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:25.039 replaced by a new, much more detailed definition with a much higher bar that 198 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:30.079 you have since conveniently used to define gain of function testing and to deny what 199 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:34.960 doctor Tabak has since confirmed. He also said that EcoHealth Alliance failed to properly 200 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:40.599 and promptly report that their research violated the terms of the grant, something that 201 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:45.000 went completely unaddressed under your watch. Doctor Moranz, your senior advisor, whom 202 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:49.319 you have tried today to distance yourself from, but whose large volume of emails 203 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:53.759 clearly demonstrate that you had a very close and personal relationship with, and who 204 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:59.720 reported to you directly, has openly bragged about how he subverted Foyer request. 205 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:03.799 I remind you that the law requires you and your former organization to comply with 206 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:08.559 Freedom of Information Act request. It is not optional if you, or your 207 00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:18.200 employees, or your organization that you oversaw were systemically avoiding transparency and illegally hiding 208 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:22.799 or destroying documents that rightfully belong to the American people, then you should be 209 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:26.000 criminally charged, and they should as well. In addition, doctor Gregory Folker's 210 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:30.920 your chief of staff, also engaged in illegal practices in which he crafted messages 211 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:37.680 using symbols instead of letters to avoid Foy exposure. In an email April twenty 212 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:41.519 twenty from doctor Moran's to Peter Dazak, he says, quote, there are 213 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:45.400 things I can't say. Well, I wonder what he couldn't say. He 214 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:48.240 also went on to say, quote, except Tony is aware, and I 215 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:53.519 have learned there are ongoing efforts within NIH to steer through this with minimal damage 216 00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:59.400 to you, Peter and colleagues, and to NIH and Naid end quote. 217 00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:03.200 And then a few days later he said quote, I have reason to believe 218 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:07.000 that there are already efforts going on to protect you in quote. In February 219 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:12.559 of twenty twenty one, doctor Moranz wrote to Boston University scientist Gerald Kirsch, 220 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:17.680 saying quote, I learned from our foil lady here how to make emails disappear 221 00:23:17.720 --> 00:23:21.480 after I'm foyed, but before the search starts, so I think we are 222 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:23.400 all safe. End quote. Doctor FAUSTI I want to know what we were 223 00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:26.599 being protected from and what you needed to be safe from. I'm going to 224 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:29.920 go on because I have a little time here. He went on to say, 225 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:33.640 quote, Plus, I deleted most of the earlier emails after sending to 226 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:37.759 Gmail. Once again illegal and an actual crime. Doctor Moranz noted in another 227 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:41.839 email to doctor Kirsch, saying, quote, I learned the tricks of the 228 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:45.960 I learned the tricks last year from an old friend, Marge Moore, who 229 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:49.960 heads our foil office and also hates Foya's end quote. It is absolutely amazing 230 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:55.759 to me that doctor Moranz and Marge Moore still have jobs entered taxpayers are still 231 00:23:55.759 --> 00:23:59.839 paying their salaries. Doctor Moranz wrote to doctor Dazzik in April of twenty twenty 232 00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:02.440 one. One quote, ps, I forgot to say. There is no 233 00:24:02.519 --> 00:24:04.960 worry about foys. I can either send stuff to Tony on his private email 234 00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:08.039 or hand it to him to work or at his house. He is too 235 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:12.119 smart to let colleagues send him stuff that could cause trouble apparent end quote. 236 00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:18.200 Apparently you neglected to surround yourself with equally smart individuals, doctor Morans wrote to 237 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:22.799 another collaborator, Peter Hotitz, in June twenty twenty one at Baylor College, 238 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:26.799 of Medicine that he had deleted all his emails related to COVID origin when quote 239 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:30.000 the shit hit the fan end quote, he said quote, I feel pretty 240 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:33.759 sure Tony were two. The best way to avoid Foy hassles is to delete 241 00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:37.599 all emails when you learn the subject's pretty sensitive. In October twenty twenty one, 242 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:41.279 doctor Moran's wrote to Peter Dazzik. Quote Peter, from Tony's numerous recent 243 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:45.920 comments to me and from what Francis has been vocal about over the past five 244 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.200 years, we are trying to protect you, and they are protecting their own 245 00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:52.519 reputations as well. End quote. I'll just jump ahead. The American people 246 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:56.880 can rest assured that we are going to continue to pursue answers and we continue 247 00:24:56.880 --> 00:25:00.480 to push for full accountability from you and your colleagues, despite continue efforts to 248 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:03.240 try to cover this up, Doctor Fauci, History will not be kind to 249 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:04.559 you, and you will be known as the man who put his personal interests 250 00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:07.799 before the interest of the American people, the very people that you were supposed 251 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:11.039 to be protecting. Your actions, along with several others we have had before 252 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:15.519 this committee, have completely eroded America's trust in our public health system and the 253 00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:18.000 agency that you represented for half a century with that ideal. Back Gentleman's time 254 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:22.759 is expired, and now recognize mister Kudah from Hawaii for five minutes of questions. 255 00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:26.119 Thank you, mister Chair, and I hope I'll have an additional thirty 256 00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:30.000 seconds like the previous gentleman and doctor Fauci, I have allowed that today. 257 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:33.079 Thank you, Thank you, mister Chair. Doctor Fauci, you deserve better 258 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:37.599 than this. The other side suddenly cares about poppy is ironic given recent book 259 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:42.599 publications versus the millions of people that you have kept safe and alive over your 260 00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:47.079 lifelong commitment to public health. I'd like to use my time to dispel some 261 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:51.160 of the myths about you that have circulated in right wing circles. We can 262 00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:55.119 all acknowledge that, yes, suspension of in person activities during the early days 263 00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:59.440 of COVID it was necessary to save lives and to stop the spread, and 264 00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:03.680 it was not without its challenges. It was difficult, particularly for our nation, 265 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:07.079 students like my two sons, and public schools and our business owners. 266 00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:11.480 But to completely blame these policies on you, doctor Fauci is absolutely ridiculous. 267 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:15.240 I'd like to make the record clear on something the decision to suspend in person 268 00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:18.559 learning, dining, and other activities, that was not a decision that you 269 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:23.599 were somehow solely responsible for including in your role as NIA director. Is that 270 00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:27.960 correct? In fact, these decisions were actually made at the state and local 271 00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:33.079 level in communities across the country like mice home state of Hawaii, which was 272 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:38.119 particularly aggressive in part is a response to the Trump administration's early failure to contain 273 00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:42.200 the initial outbreak of the virus. Is that not correct? I'm sorry, 274 00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:45.920 I didn't ma'am. I'm not really hearing you very well. Could you just 275 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:49.000 put your We'll put it a little bit closer, but to be clear that 276 00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:53.519 the decisions were actually made at the state and local levels in communities across the 277 00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:56.720 country. That is correct, Okay, thank you. Now I'd like to 278 00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:02.079 shift topics and turn to the allegation that you sought to suppress opposing viewpoints about 279 00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:07.359 the pandemic response. Over the past fifteen months, majority members of this subcommittee 280 00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:12.240 have levied the allegation that federal health official censored proposals like the Great Barrington Declaration, 281 00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:18.160 which were inconsistent with the overwhelming consensus of the scientific and medical community. 282 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:22.400 Much attention has been paid to an email doctor Francis Collins sent you regarding the 283 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:26.920 Great Barrington Declaration where he called for a quick and devastating published takedown of its 284 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:32.799 premises. To be clear, this was not doctor Collins suggesting that you suppress 285 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:37.640 or censor the Great Barrington Declaration. Rather, he was suggesting that the points 286 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:44.519 you just explained be memorialized to substantively refute the scientific premises of the Great Barrington 287 00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:49.039 Declaration. Is a correct yes, and there was good reason for doctor Collins 288 00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:56.279 to have substantive concerns. The Great Barrington Declaration proposed lifting mitigation measures for the 289 00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:00.880 vast majority of society and preserving them only for certain populations, including the elderly 290 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:06.160 and people with underlying health conditions. This was months before a vaccination was available, 291 00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:11.519 and public health systems are already being overwhelmed and thousands of Americans were dying 292 00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:15.440 daily. Doctor Fauci, what percentage of the population did we estimate needed to 293 00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:22.119 be infected with COVID before we would achieve so called herd immunity. Herd immunity 294 00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:27.640 was very elusive with COVID, and the Great Barrington Decoration was flawed both conceptually 295 00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:34.240 and in practice. Conceptually that you could shield vulnerable people as if the only 296 00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:40.519 vulnerable people of those in nursing homes, we have tens and tens of millions 297 00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:47.319 of vulnerable people that you couldn't possibly shield people with underlying conditions the elderly. 298 00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:51.920 Those would be the individuals, so it would be conceptually impossible to do that. 299 00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:57.240 Herd immunity, as we know means if you have a virus that doesn't 300 00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:03.720 change, and the virus which when you get infected or vaccinated, you have 301 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:10.359 highly durable, perhaps lifelong immunity. That's not the case with COVID. We 302 00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:15.400 know immunity wanes and we have multiple variants. So in practical purposes, the 303 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:23.160 Great Barrington Declaration was invalid both conceptually and practically. Thank you, doctor Fauchi've 304 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:26.799 answered a few of my other questions in terms of the fact that for many 305 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:33.279 of us that live in multigenerational communities, thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions 306 00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:37.480 more lives would have been impacted by this so called approach, and given the 307 00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:41.400 fact that the virus is rabbit evolution that we have since seen since twenty twenty, 308 00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:45.440 herd immunity approaches would be absolutely ineffective against COVID. If you would answer 309 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.640 one more question, considering the mortality rates at the time, how many more 310 00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:53.000 deaths might we have seen just briefly, I mean, if we had done 311 00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:56.359 that, just let it rip, there very likely would have been another million 312 00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:00.599 people would have died. I would imagine. Thank you, doctor Fauci. 313 00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:04.240 So it wasn't the federal government suppressing the Great Barrington Declaration. Rather, it 314 00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:08.799 was about protecting and saving millions of American lives. The COVID nineteen pandemic wasn't 315 00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:12.440 some academic exercise. It was real. It was in real time. It 316 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:18.079 was about saving lives in real time. Theories like herd immunity may seem plausible 317 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:21.359 on paper, but we have to remember that it is based upon the assumption 318 00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:25.480 that enough people would have to be infected, and that would likely have meant 319 00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:30.079 that our family members, our friends, our neighbors, are constituents, especially 320 00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:34.000 those in our most marginalized, multi generational rural communities, would have died. 321 00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.359 So thank you, doctor Faucha. I want to thank you, not blame 322 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:41.920 you. Thank you for your science. Thank you for your science that have 323 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:45.799 saved millions of American lives, kept us safe. Including my children, many 324 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:49.240 of our families right here on this diis and thank you for clarifying these points 325 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:52.640 for the record, and for all of your efforts to keep us safe during 326 00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:57.039 the pandemic and so many other health crisises we have faced over the decades that 327 00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:03.559 you have served. Muhallo sear cheer, I yield back now recognized doctor McCormick 328 00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:08.319 for five minutes of questions. Thank you, Doctor Winstrop. Chairman. It's 329 00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:15.759 been insinuated that politicians only politicians only, bloggers only conspiracy theorists are disagreeing with 330 00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:18.319 you. I want to point out that I'm probably the only member of Congress 331 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:22.400 that actually treated patients during the pandemic from the very beginning to the very end 332 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.680 of the pandemic during night shifts in the er thousands of patients during that time. 333 00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:33.880 And in twenty twenty I was censored, my medical license was threatened because 334 00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:38.720 I disagreed with bureaucrats literally taking off the Internet as a person who is treating 335 00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:45.680 patients with leading edge technologies, developing theories, but doing my very best, 336 00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:49.160 but being censored by the United States government for the first time, stepping in 337 00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:56.400 and taking the place of medical professionals as the experts in healthcare. Any dissent 338 00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:01.039 surrounding COVID nineteen treatments, mass mandates, and any public policy surrounding the pandemic 339 00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:07.960 was immediate labeled as anti science. I watched as public health officials and politicians 340 00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:12.240 told my patients what treatment options were best for them, regardless of their combobidities 341 00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:16.680 or their medical history. Despite my education and my training and my experience, 342 00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:23.720 my opinions were relegated to conspiracy and misinformation by so called health care experts who 343 00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:30.079 had never treated a patient throughout the entire pandemic. This has been a black 344 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:35.079 eye in the medicine and as highlighted why government should never never insert itself in 345 00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:39.440 between patients and their health care providers. The American people deserve to make medical 346 00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:46.559 decisions through conversations with their physicians rather than politically motivated mandates. Doctor Fauci, 347 00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:51.440 did you ever treat a patient for COVID during the pandemic? I was part 348 00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:53.640 of a team that was at the NIAH that took care. We didn't take 349 00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:57.359 care of many of them in case, so not hands on, got it? 350 00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:02.720 Thank you? Why would I be criticized by a bureaucrat for doing my 351 00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:07.920 very best as a healthcare This is a rhetorical question, But why why would 352 00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:13.039 their government who has never treated a patient for COVID? You can read all 353 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:15.039 the things you want, but you're not there. You're not seeing patient, 354 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:20.920 watching people die, intubating patients right there with that disease in your face, 355 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:24.480 watching it happen, watching the development of this disease, and actually learning from 356 00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:29.119 it. But I being told by bureaucrats what's right and wrong, and what's 357 00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:31.960 funny? Is everything I was censored on I was proven to be right. 358 00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:37.480 Pretty crazy, isn't it. You said in an interview that you gave as 359 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:43.799 part of an audiobook written by Michael Specter that you believed an institutional should make 360 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:49.240 it hard for people to live their lives so they'd feel pressured to get vaccinated. 361 00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:52.039 Can we run the audio clip on that police? Do you think can 362 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:55.319 be done about it? I have to say that I don't see a big 363 00:33:55.359 --> 00:34:00.839 solution other than some sort of mandatory vaccination. I know federal officials doing to 364 00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:07.039 use that term. Once people feel empowered and protected legally, you were going 365 00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:13.079 to have schools, universities and college is gonna say you want to come to 366 00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.480 this college. Buddy, you're gonna get vaccinated. Lady, you're gonna get 367 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:22.159 vaccinated. Big corporations like Amazon and Facebook and all of those others are gonna 368 00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:25.880 say you want to work for us to get vaccinated. And it's been proven 369 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:32.000 that when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their 370 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:40.079 ideological bullshit and they get vaccinated. Thank you. Are all objections to COVID 371 00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:46.719 vaccinations ideological bullshit, doctor Pacci, No, they're not, and thank you 372 00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:51.719 not what I was referring to. Well, in reference to making it hard 373 00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:54.800 for people to get education, traveling, working, I'd say it very much 374 00:34:54.920 --> 00:35:00.199 was in context, and I take great offense to this. Miss Alice and 375 00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:04.760 Williams testified before this committee about losing her job because she sought an exemption for 376 00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:09.400 ESPN's vaccine mandate, which came from recommendation from bureaucrats like yourself. She and 377 00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:15.440 her husband were actively working with a fertility expert a physician on how to get 378 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:19.239 pregnant and agreed with the premise that she was young, healthy, wanted to 379 00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:23.119 get pregnant, and shouldn't get the vaccination for medical purposes. But she was 380 00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:28.239 fired because you made it hard, just like you said in your statement, 381 00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:32.039 because you didn't want to make sure that the ideological bullshit got in the way 382 00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:37.039 of her working, of living her life, of making a medical decision with 383 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:43.480 her healthcare professional. I think America should take great offense to this. That's 384 00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:46.280 exactly what you meant when you said making it hard for people to live without 385 00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:52.960 getting a vaccination. You affected people's ability to work, travel, be educated, 386 00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:58.159 to actually flourish in American size, to self determine as well given God 387 00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:04.960 given rights. You, doctor Fauci, you've become doctor fear. Americans do 388 00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:08.519 not hate science. I don't hate science. The American people hate having their 389 00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:15.480 freedoms taken from them. You inspired and created fear through mass mandates, school 390 00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:20.920 closures, vaccine mandates that have destroyed the American people's trust in our public health 391 00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:27.800 institutions. This fear you created will continue to have ripple effects over generations come. 392 00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:30.679 You have already seen its effects in education, in the economy, and 393 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:35.599 everything else. Quite frankly, you said, if you adream, if you 394 00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:40.280 disagree with me, you disagree with science. Doctor Fauci. I disagree with 395 00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:49.119 you because I disagree with fear and with that I yield. I now recognize 396 00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.480 mister Moscowitz from Florida for five minutes of questions. Thank you, mister Chairman. 397 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:58.639 Doctor Fauchi could be with you here today. I was not here, 398 00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:01.960 but I saw a member of this committee questioned whether or not you represent science 399 00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:07.039 and tried to make that in some offensive way. I just want you to 400 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:10.320 know most Americans don't think she represents Congress. So one of the things I've 401 00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:17.159 learned, so I hear now you double Fauci, So I don't want you 402 00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:25.519 to be offended offended by that. I actually similar to represent McCormick, who 403 00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:30.199 was serving in the field as a doctor during COVID. I was running the 404 00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:35.599 logistics operation and the Florida response as the director of Emergency Management for the State 405 00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:39.639 of Florida for Governor DeSantis. So I was deploying masks and gowns and gloves. 406 00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:44.320 We were setting up field hospitals, we were setting up testing sites, 407 00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:49.920 we were setting up vaccine sites throughout the pandemic. And the one thing that 408 00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:53.000 became clear to me as a country is we were not prepared. In fact, 409 00:37:53.199 --> 00:38:00.639 we actually had many preparations for a pandemic, but both this states collectively, 410 00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:06.840 and the federal government threw that out and kind of was just making it 411 00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:09.079 up as we go. One of the things I wanted to ask you, 412 00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:15.239 and I understand you're not in the response field, but do you feel since 413 00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:22.559 you've left, that we are better prepared today than we were several years ago 414 00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:27.840 when COVID hit In some respects, excuse me, in some respects, we 415 00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:34.320 are, but in others I'm still disappointed. And I think one of the 416 00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:39.079 things that was really a problem with the response was the degree of divisiveness that 417 00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:44.960 we had in the country about a lack of a coherent response, where we 418 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:49.719 were having people for reasons that had nothing to do with public health as science, 419 00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:55.480 refusing to adhere to public health intervention measures. What I think that we 420 00:38:55.519 --> 00:39:01.719 will do better, hopefully, is that the cd I believe is now recognized 421 00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:08.920 some of the failings of the lack of communication and interaction between the federal response 422 00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:15.360 and the local public health officials. One of the weaknesses that we had in 423 00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:22.280 the United States that other countries didn't have was a disconnect between the healthcare system 424 00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:29.760 and the public health system. Whereas the CDC can't demand information from local public 425 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:32.360 health individuals, they have to volunteer to give it to them, and it 426 00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:37.760 isn't given to them in real time, so we were at a disadvantage. 427 00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:40.960 Oh, no question, I saw that. I saw how the lack of 428 00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:47.719 investment in technology, right, we had states trying to share information with the 429 00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:53.199 federal government using you know, Windows two thousand or fax machine fax machines exactly. 430 00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:59.119 Yeah, and so you know, we spent seven trillion dollars in two 431 00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:02.480 packages and two administrations. And one of my concerns is is that I feel 432 00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:07.159 that, especially in supply chain, I feel like we're not that much better 433 00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:10.519 off than we were before COVID. Am I wrong in that? Yes? 434 00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:16.119 Yeah, I don't think you're wrong, But I hope that the CDC has 435 00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:22.599 made it very clear that they are trying to change that and correct that deficit 436 00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:27.760 of a separation between the local and the federal CDC so that we can get 437 00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:32.280 information in real time. It was very frustrating for us that often we had 438 00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:37.079 to go to the UK, or South Africa or Israel to get real time 439 00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:43.360 information because they had a connection between what was going on in the ground and 440 00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:45.920 their public health system, so they knew right away what was happening. We 441 00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:50.079 didn't Doctor Foute. You talked about how, you know, we live in 442 00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:54.400 partisan times, a lot of misinformation, and you know, colleagues on this 443 00:40:54.559 --> 00:41:00.559 body said, you know you should be you know, charged and found guilty. 444 00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:02.480 Of course, the only one that's happened to is your former boss. 445 00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.079 But you know, the question I have is when you saw a lot of 446 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:12.000 that disinformation, whether it was you know, we can use a disinfectant to 447 00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.480 do like a cleaning, or do light in the body, or that you 448 00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:20.320 know, China's working super hard. President Sheese got it contained all of the 449 00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:24.000 stuff that was being put out. Were you concerned, you know, what 450 00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:29.559 was your feeling at that time working in the administration seeing that come from the 451 00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:32.519 podium, Well, I was very frustrated by that. It was very clear 452 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:37.119 I was put in a very difficult position that I didn't like, of having 453 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:42.760 to contradict publicly the President of the United States. I took no great pleasure 454 00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:45.519 in that, but I felt it was my responsibility to preu You must have 455 00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:47.840 thought you did a great job. He gave you a commendation right before he 456 00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:52.840 left. Well, I felt it was my responsibility, you know, as 457 00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:58.440 to preserve my own personal integrity and my major responsibility to the American public to 458 00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.159 tell them the truth. And if I could take this opportunity. When I 459 00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:05.480 was saying that if you attack me, you attack science, I didn't mean 460 00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:09.960 that I am science. What I meant was that when the data showed that 461 00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:15.719 hydroxychloroquin does not work, and there are people saying, oh it does, 462 00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:19.239 I'll give it to people and we know it can be hurtful to them. 463 00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:23.320 Then when you're attacking what I'm saying that the science shows it doesn't work, 464 00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:29.039 and the science shows that bleach doesn't work, that when you attack that, 465 00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:34.719 you really are attacking science because science has shown that it doesn't work. That's 466 00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:37.320 what I meant. When you're attacking me, you're attacking science. Thank you, 467 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:40.960 doctor, thanking chairman. I'll back m's time's expired and now recognize mister 468 00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:44.800 Jordan from Ohio for five minutes. Hey give mister chairman. Doctor. Why 469 00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:50.800 was it so important that the virus not have started in a lab? Uh? 470 00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:53.159 We don't know where it started. And that's the reason why I keep 471 00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:55.519 an open mind. So I don't know what you mean by why was it 472 00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:59.960 so important? It wasn't important because you still don't know where it used to 473 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:01.840 I don't know where it started. The guys you gave money to figured out 474 00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:06.119 in three days. No, no, no, they mister Anderson said on 475 00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:09.360 January thirty first, twenty twenty, virus looks engineered virus, not consistent with 476 00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:13.280 evolutionary theory. The very next day, doctor Gary said, I don't know 477 00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:15.400 how this happens in nature. Would be easy to do in a lab. 478 00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:19.119 And then three days later, shazam, they switch and say it it has 479 00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:21.599 to be nature. So they figured out in three days. But you still 480 00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:23.719 don't know. No. In fact, if you look at what they were 481 00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:29.800 saying Congressman Jordan, they were saying that it was not a manufactured virus. 482 00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:34.039 It still could have evolved out of a lab. Let me read something here 483 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:37.079 to you. They're not incompatible in our study on the censorship of the Biden 484 00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:40.920 administration working with big tech. I want to read you WhatsApp message from Mark 485 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:45.360 Zuckerberg. Can we include at the White House put pressure on us to censor 486 00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:49.800 the lab leak theory. So this is a communication on July sixteenth, twenty 487 00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:52.519 twenty one. Nick Klegg, Joel Kaplin, Sheryl Sandberg, Mark Zuckerberg. 488 00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:57.880 They're certainly feeling the pressure to downplay any lab leak theory and go with the 489 00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:04.840 natural origin theory. Is there a question? There, he's coming, There, 490 00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.800 one's coming. Here's another email to Mark Zuckerberg that says, subject line 491 00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:14.320 COVID misinformation wuhan lab league theory. In response to continued public pressure and tense 492 00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:17.880 conversations with the new administration, we started removing five COVID claims, including the 493 00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:22.519 lab leak theory. Mister Zuckerberg responds, This seems like a good reminder that 494 00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:27.639 when we compromise our standards due to pressure from an administration in either direction, 495 00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:31.239 we often later regret it. Why was it so important the virus not have 496 00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:37.800 started in a lab? Wasn't so important that the virus not we don't know, 497 00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:42.239 We know it was important to someone in the Biden administration. Is so 498 00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.480 much so that the top people at Meta, the top people at Facebook are 499 00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:50.480 asking why are we getting all this pressure to downplay the lab leak theory. 500 00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:52.760 And we have an email from June of the same year, June fourth, 501 00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:57.199 twenty twenty one, saying the same thing. If it was certainly important to 502 00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.719 somebody, well, what does that got to do with me? I'm asking 503 00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:05.199 you, because you're the expert on corona virus. I'm saying, why why 504 00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:09.199 was the administration so pushing not to have the labilique theory as something that was 505 00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:13.760 viable. I can answer that I've kept an open mind throughout the entire kept 506 00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:17.079 an open mind, doctor Fauci, opened mind, that's correct. What happened 507 00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:22.639 in those three days? Why did doctor Anderson and uh, excuse me, 508 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:24.519 mister Anderson and doctor Gary, why did they change their mind in a one 509 00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:30.519 hundred and eighty degrees Because what Christian Anderson says three days later, after he 510 00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:34.840 said virus looks engineered, virus not consistent with evolutionary theory, three days later 511 00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:37.440 he says, the main crackpot theory is going around at the moment relate to 512 00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:42.119 this virus, virus being somehow engineered, and that is demonstrably false. How 513 00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:44.719 did they how do they figure all that out in three days, doctor Fauci, 514 00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:46.440 you can they'll have an open mind. Well, what they did is 515 00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:52.119 that that you know that they testified before this committee. What they did they 516 00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:58.480 went back and looked at the sequences and realized that their initial concern was unfounded 517 00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:00.960 about that and it did not look at all like it was manufactured. But 518 00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:05.880 as they said in their paper, even though they feel it was more likely 519 00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:08.119 three days figured. That's exactly you could do that in three days. You 520 00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:13.159 can scan sequences in a day. You don't need three days. Okay, 521 00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:17.679 who's Robert Redfield, the former director of the CDC, Doctor Redfield? Right? 522 00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:22.559 And he was and he was also on the Coronavirus task Force. Is 523 00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.079 that accurate? He was a member of the Coronavirus task for Here's what he 524 00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:29.639 said to this committee. He said, Redfield said that Fauci and Collins left 525 00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:34.840 him out because Redfield suspected that coronavirus had leaked from the Chinese lab. Is 526 00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:38.119 that accurate? Well, he said that, but that's not true. That 527 00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:43.199 is incorrect. Congressman, doctor Redfield's lying to the committee. When you sat 528 00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:45.480 right where you sat, when he said that I kept him out, that 529 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:53.239 is an incorrect statement. The roster was on the doctor Redfield in that conference 530 00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:57.559 call on February first, when you had mister Anderson and doctor Gary on that 531 00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:00.719 call, he was not. And the conference call was put together by Jeremy 532 00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:07.119 Farrah, So no one kept him out. He said he was kept out 533 00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:10.079 because he fell did us tax dollars. You want me to answer the question. 534 00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:13.199 Yeah, I would just wonder why it wasn't on the call. It 535 00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:15.880 seems to me the head of CDC, part of the Coronavirus Task Force, 536 00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:16.960 which was formed two days prior to that call, would have been on the 537 00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:21.320 call. Well, the call was arranged by Jeremy Farrah. You should ask 538 00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:23.840 him. Okay, did US tax dollars flow through a grant recipient to the 539 00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:30.119 lab in China? I'm sorry? What was Did US tax dollars flow through 540 00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:34.000 a grant recipient to the lab in China? Yes? Of course it was 541 00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:37.880 a sub award to the wh and who approved that award? Excuse me? 542 00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:40.320 And who approved that award? What agency approved that award? National Institute of 543 00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:44.960 Alogy and Infectious Disease, Your your agency approved that, right, Yes it 544 00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:47.559 did. After does that have anything to do with this downplaying the LAB leak 545 00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:52.760 theory? No, nothing to do with it. Nothing. What do you 546 00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:57.840 do You agree that there was a push to downplay the LAB leak theory? 547 00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:01.199 Not on my part? Really really? Wow? Wow, I think I 548 00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:05.440 think most of the country will find that amazing. I said eleven seconds, 549 00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:08.119 Well, look at the facts. I've kept an open mind throughout the entire 550 00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:14.960 process. All right, I ye back and now recognize the majority staff for 551 00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:20.920 no longer than thirty minutes of questions, Doctor fo Doctor Fauchia, It's good 552 00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:23.840 to see you again. I want to ask a couple of questions about some 553 00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:29.119 of the members' questions and then get into some follow ups. The issue of 554 00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:32.360 the CIA trip was brought up, That was brought to us by a whistleblower. 555 00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:35.719 That was not an allegation made by the committee. It was an allegation 556 00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:42.079 made by the whistleblower. You testified at a transcribed interview back in early January. 557 00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:45.920 Do you recall me asking you about that allegation about the going to the 558 00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:51.960 CIA? Yes? And do you recall and you denied it then as well, 559 00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:55.039 and you denied it here today. Do you recall the subcommittee publishing that 560 00:48:55.199 --> 00:49:00.960 you denied it? I don't recall. We did. We did, we 561 00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:05.199 put it out in a press release afterwards, that you denied the whistleblower's allegation. 562 00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:08.440 And then today, during the course of the last couple hours, have 563 00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:13.159 any members on the majority side of the DAIS asked you about a trip to 564 00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:16.519 the CIA? Yeah, they have this. Yeah, I'm sorry Mitch, 565 00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:22.000 I'm not hearing, so miss I have a point of order. Mister chairman, 566 00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:29.920 what's the gentleman's point of order? I have an inquiry about whether or 567 00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:34.119 not I'm hearing things, or whether or not you just yielded thirty minutes of 568 00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:43.199 committee time to stay haff That is correct both sides, And the question that 569 00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:46.639 the gentleman were just raised was the question that I raised. So apparently he 570 00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:50.639 was not listening when I was questioning. Doctor Belchie. Thank you for your 571 00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:54.519 point of order. You may continue what I What I asked was, we 572 00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:59.320 asked you about this in a transcript interview, you testified that you did not 573 00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:02.119 go to the CIA, we published that you refuted that allegation, and then 574 00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:07.719 today no members of the Republican side of the Diace have asked you that question. 575 00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:12.440 Is that accurate? Thank you. You've been asked a number of times 576 00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:19.480 about your former senior advisor, doctor Morens, and have said, and I 577 00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.639 want to make sure I characterize it correctly because it goes a little back and 578 00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:29.920 forth that you didn't conduct official business over a personal email with doctor Morins. 579 00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:37.480 Has doctor Morins emailed your personal email before on non official purposes? As I 580 00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:42.760 mentioned we wrote scientific papers together, so he very well may have used that 581 00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:47.719 quest. That's the email I use when I write a scientific paper, and 582 00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:54.599 that's because NAIAD policy allows you to write on semi official time write papers, 583 00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:58.679 but you just have to put a disclaimer that this is not In other words, 584 00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:02.440 if you're doing something official business, you shouldn't use your emails that are 585 00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:07.239 official business. So in order to be compliant with the regulations, you would 586 00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:13.639 use a personal email. I appreciate it. I want to ask about some 587 00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:17.760 of the public health policies enacted during the pandemic. Doctor Francis Collins, the 588 00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:23.280 former NIH director, recently said in an interview, and I'm quoting, you 589 00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:28.800 attach an infinite value to stopping the disease and saving a life. You attaches 590 00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:34.039 zero value to whether this actually totally disrupts people's lives, ruins the economy, 591 00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:37.440 and has kept many kids out of school in a way that they never quite 592 00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:42.360 recovered understanding the COVID task force had a lot of voices at the table. 593 00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.440 Is that an accurate description of the public health advisors? And then you could 594 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:49.360 fit in other advisors along the way. Well, yeah, you know, 595 00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:54.599 Mitch, what I believe that Doctor Collins was saying, was that we give 596 00:51:54.840 --> 00:52:01.239 a advice based on pure public health issues. It's very very clear now retrospectively 597 00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:08.639 looking at the potential collateral negative effects of things like mandating it would be important 598 00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:15.199 for us now since the purpose of I believe why we're here as to how 599 00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:20.920 we can do better next time is to consider the balance. I think things 600 00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:27.360 that we did in the beginning were in the context of horrible situation of four 601 00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:30.440 to five thousand deaths per day, But that doesn't mean that you don't go 602 00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:35.519 back and look and say, did everything we do at that point and the 603 00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:39.360 duration for which we did it was that appropriate? And do we need to 604 00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:44.559 re examine? I believe that's what doctor Collins was referring to him, and 605 00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:46.199 I agree with him on that. And you got to my next question, 606 00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:50.440 that we are here trying to figure out how to do better next time. 607 00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:54.760 Lose your lives next time? Would that be a better thought process going forward 608 00:52:54.880 --> 00:53:02.920 of thinking about the possible unintended consequences of public health measures. Absolutely, and 609 00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:07.599 you've heard from both sides of the dice today. First weeks months novel virus, 610 00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:14.920 nobody knew what was going on, called for some drastic measures understanding or 611 00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:20.960 once there was a better understanding of who the most affected demographics were, do 612 00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:27.119 you think it would be important to more narrowly craft public health measures to specifically 613 00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:32.000 favor those demographics. The answer is yes, but you have to be careful 614 00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:40.719 because if you have a certain group that is being predominantly afflicted, if you're 615 00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:46.960 really really clear that another group is really quite protected, then you should fashion 616 00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:53.239 it demographically related. But what often happens without breaks is that they're a moving 617 00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:59.840 target and you only hear about other vulnerables as you get further into the out 618 00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:04.280 break. So the answer to your question is you're partially correct that you need 619 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:07.239 to do that, but you've got to be careful when you're dealing with a 620 00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:12.719 moving target. And we can appreciate that You've been asked a little bit again 621 00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:16.599 about the theories of natural immunity and herd immunity. Those are both real scientific 622 00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:23.519 theories and infectious disease. Is that correct? Yes? And between infection acquired 623 00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:29.840 immunity and vaccinated acquired immunity, did the United States hit herd immunity? The 624 00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:34.320 answer is no, and I've written a paper on that. Is that when 625 00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:37.840 you're dealing Just let me take thirty seconds. I don't want to run out 626 00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:42.199 the clock on you, but I think it's important to make this point. 627 00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:46.599 When you talk about herd immunity, it's predicated on two principles. That you're 628 00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:52.000 dealing with a pathogen that's not changing. And number two, that when you 629 00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:58.480 either get infected or vaccinated, the duration of the immunity is measured in decades, 630 00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:01.480 if not a lifetime, so that if you have a pathogen that stays 631 00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:07.360 the same, like measles, doesn't change. So I was infected with meagles 632 00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:12.079 measles when I was a child. It's the same measles that's infecting people in 633 00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:16.320 certain countries in the developing world. Number two, when you get either infected 634 00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:24.639 or vaccinated with measles, you have immunity that's durable minimally in decades and possibly 635 00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:30.000 for life. So if you get the same pathogen and you get a large 636 00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:36.079 percentage of the people who have either been infected or vaccinated, then you have 637 00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:42.159 heard immunity. We did not ever have that with COVID. And you've also 638 00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:45.239 been asked a number of times about the vaccine and vaccine mandates. Were you 639 00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:50.679 the one that recommended to the president to mandate vaccines for certain individuals. No, 640 00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:55.199 do you know who did? No, it was more of a It 641 00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:59.880 was a combination of a group and just saying that, you know, so 642 00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:04.800 certain agencies like the labor Department or what have you would feel that this would 643 00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:07.280 to be done. But it was not like I one day said, hey, 644 00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:12.000 we should mandate vaccines. That did not happen. And I want to 645 00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:15.320 echo the comments of the Chairman that we agree the vaccine saved hundreds of thousands 646 00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:20.280 of lives. And we talked about this a little bit in January, and 647 00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:23.840 I think you touched on it a little bit today. Could issuing these mandates 648 00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:31.119 and removing the notion of informed consent from some certain sects of the citizenry lead 649 00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:37.559 to vaccine hesitancy? Yeah, I mentioned this, and I believe in the 650 00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:40.400 TI that as a matter of fact, that's something that I think we need 651 00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:47.360 to go back now when we do and after the event evaluation about whether or 652 00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:52.199 not, given the psyche of the country and the pushback that you get from 653 00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:58.039 those types of things, we need to reevaluate the cost benefit ratio of those 654 00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:02.280 types of things. And then I won't belabor the point, but we talked 655 00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:06.840 about the six foot distance an awful lot today. Do you recall if it 656 00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:10.000 was ever suggested to be ten feet? You know, I don't recall, 657 00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:14.320 Mitch, if it was ever suggested it was ten feet. But when I 658 00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:16.840 made my explanation of what it was, I was saying that there was no 659 00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:22.320 trial that looked at ten versus six, versus three versus not even worrying about 660 00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:27.079 it at all. And you said today that there were discussions at the White 661 00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:30.559 House about the six foot rule. You don't recall if it was discussions about 662 00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:32.800 whether or not it should be three, or it should be ten, or 663 00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:37.679 should you know, I don't recall, Mitch, what the exact discussion was. 664 00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:43.440 But as I've said, in response to multiple questions, what we had, 665 00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:45.920 it was. It came the CDC was said that on the basis of 666 00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:52.719 their evaluation, which was based on the droplet approach, that six foot would 667 00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:55.880 be to go, and since there was no clinical trials going one way or 668 00:57:55.880 --> 00:58:01.480 the other, that's why it was accepted by the group. And then it 669 00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:06.559 hasn't been a large topic today. And we talked about kind of again the 670 00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:09.599 many unknowns. In early twenty twenty, schools were closed through the semester. 671 00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:15.880 Some schools reopened for the fallse semester, some remained closed going through into twenty 672 00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:23.159 twenty one. Looking back, where there are there current academic ramifications of remote 673 00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:27.760 schooling or kids not being in school? I think there have been a number 674 00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:30.480 of not I think, I know that there have been a number of studies 675 00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:35.880 to show that there are lasting effects, at least up to this point. 676 00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:40.840 They tend to attenuate over time, but there have been substantial negative effects on 677 00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:45.239 learning and on children when you keep them out of school for a prolonged period 678 00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:52.400 of time. Have you seen any studies suggesting physical health ramifications. I haven't 679 00:58:52.440 --> 00:59:00.679 seen physical health ramplification mental health. I believe that there are some that show 680 00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:05.480 psychological issues that relate to keeping kids out of the environment, of the social 681 00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:09.920 environment of the school. I'm and apologize for bouncing around. We don't have 682 00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:13.840 fourteen hours with you today. I've got thirty minutes, so I'm yeah, 683 00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:19.320 I'm gonna know sorry about that. I'm gonna move quickly. Yeah again. 684 00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:22.000 Across the dias, both sides, they aisle a lot of questions on the 685 00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:25.239 origins of COVID and finding out the origins and how that could better lead to 686 00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:32.639 both protecting against spillover and wildlife trade, but also increased biosafety standards. As 687 00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:37.000 you sit here today, is it possible that COVID nineteen was the result of 688 00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:39.920 a laboratory related accident? Oh? Absolutely, and I keep like I mentioned 689 00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:44.519 multiple times, I keep an open mind. I feel, based on the 690 00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:49.280 data that I have seen, that the more likely not definitive, but the 691 00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:54.599 more likely explanation is a natural spillover from an animal reservoir. But since there 692 00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:59.119 has not been definitive proof one way or the other, we have to keep 693 00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:02.320 an open mind that I could de either, and I'm based on that answer, 694 01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:07.239 I think is the hypothesis that COVID nineteen accidentally leaked from a lab of 695 01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:13.280 conspiracy theory. No. I mentioned that several times. Conceptually, the concept 696 01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:52.559 of it is not a conspiracy theory. The show has been produced by Depictions 697 01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:59.639 Media. Please contact us at Depictions Media for more information.