WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:05.080 But I began to realize nothing was moving still honestly started creeping me out. 2 00:00:05.160 --> 00:00:08.039 I lowered my rifle to the ground, climbed on a tree, and up 3 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:10.679 on top of this ridge. I hear something walking, so I stopped, 4 00:00:10.679 --> 00:00:14.400 and I hear one maybe two steps, and it stopped. Start walking again, 5 00:00:14.480 --> 00:00:18.559 and the instant I start walking, almost matching my footsteps. I hear 6 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:21.280 something else walk, you know. I hear it again, and I stop 7 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:24.519 again, and I hear one footstep if dressed up, and it stopped. 8 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:28.480 After a few times, I'm starting to think, you know, what is 9 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:31.440 this? You know, it's starting to kind of really really creep me out. 10 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:34.520 I noticed that it sounds like it's coming off the ridge and kind of 11 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:39.320 angling towards me. I hear something splashing the creep and run up the hill 12 00:00:39.399 --> 00:00:41.880 toward me. My uncle had a golden retriever. Well, of course I 13 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:45.200 wouldn't think anything about that at this point, because I'm being paced out. 14 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:47.880 He jumps out in the road and he was wagging his tail. He gets 15 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:51.759 about halfway to me and he just instantly freezes us, and his hair bristles 16 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:54.920 up, ears laid back, and he starts growling. He stood there for 17 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:58.679 a second or two, and he instantly turned around and bolted, and when 18 00:00:58.679 --> 00:01:02.719 he turned a ran everything was that had followed me out and started screaming. 19 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:06.480 When this thing started screaming, and it sounded like it was right on me, 20 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:08.480 you know, as soon as it started natural reaction, I'm turning my 21 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:12.480 head to look and I can't see anything, nothing, And this is so 22 00:01:12.599 --> 00:01:17.000 loud you could feel it hitting you in the chest. I could almost feel 23 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:19.680 my hair blowing back. I've never heard anything that close that loud. I 24 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:23.280 was more afraid bad ever I had been in my life. That's all I 25 00:01:23.400 --> 00:02:06.840 made. I'd like to welcome Matt to Bigfoot Crossroads, not me a different 26 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:13.080 man. Yeah, how you doing, Matt, what's going on? Doing 27 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:15.800 good? Doing good? Appreciate you having me on, Yeah for sure. 28 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:19.759 I mean, first off, you've got a fantastic name. Uh oh, 29 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:24.280 yeah, thank you as well. You do very strong name, very masculine 30 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:32.039 name, extremely strong. Yeah. So you emailed me telling me your story, 31 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:37.919 sharing your story with me, and uh and you know, to be 32 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:43.560 honest, I thought your story was a very important one to tell. I 33 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:49.319 know you've got some reservations about sharing it, so I do appreciate you coming 34 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:53.439 on to talk about it if you don't mind, you know, just kind 35 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:57.520 of go through the same story that you told me. You know, what 36 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:00.080 happened, and everything with as much or as little detail as you want. 37 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:07.439 Okay, good deal. Well, this uh happened in December, early part 38 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:15.639 of December in nineteen ninety five. And as I often did, you got 39 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:20.439 off work early and decided I was going to go hunt, and had had 40 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:27.080 a tree stand set up on some land, family land. And you know 41 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:30.400 this wasn't in common if I got off work earlyist what I did if it 42 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:35.280 happened to be, you know, a hunting season. So I got off 43 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:37.759 work early, decided I was you know, that's what I was going to 44 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:39.680 do. And my stand was on, like I said, on some family 45 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:45.639 land, several acres, and it was backed up by just I don't know, 46 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:49.680 hundreds and hundreds of acres of state land. And you know I hunted 47 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:53.560 back there several several times for several years, and for the most part, 48 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:58.159 unless I brought somebody with me, I never saw anybody out there, I 49 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:02.000 mean nobody. So anyway, so I got I got off, drove to 50 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:06.000 my uncle's house he lived on the property, and part and got out, 51 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:10.840 got all my gear together, and you know, started walking in the woods 52 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:15.240 and to get left his house, walked down the hill and there's a creek 53 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:18.160 and you have to cross the creek. And so I crossed the creek and 54 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:21.439 start going up a hill. About halfway up this hill, there's an old 55 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:25.800 logging road which wasn't really much of a road, more of a path through 56 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:30.319 the woods by this time because and then used in years. Anyway, this 57 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:34.600 old logging road it follows this hillside and the creek, and it just you 58 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:40.639 know, follows back. And my stand was probably I would guess probably three 59 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:43.439 quarters to a mile back in the woods. It was a pretty good walk. 60 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:46.480 Took a while, pretty back far away from the house. Then oh 61 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:49.720 yeah, yeah, yeah. You couldn't you know, in no way you 62 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:53.800 could see the house, you could know lights, could hear anything, just 63 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:57.079 you know, just woods. So as you know, I walk in, 64 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:00.519 taking my time, walking slow, just looking around and enjoyed being out in 65 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:04.800 the woods, which is really the main reason I haunted. I was the 66 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:09.439 kind of was the kind of hunter that I just liked being in the woods. 67 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:11.519 You know, it didn't matter if I took anything or not. I 68 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:15.319 just that's what I like. Anyway, I walk in and finally make it 69 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:18.879 to my stand, climb up in the tree, pull my rifle up, 70 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:28.040 and I sit there. And usually fifteen or twenty minutes, maybe thirty minutes, 71 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:30.279 you know, before things were start moving, and I mean usually the 72 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:33.959 woods would just come alive, it was, you know, And so I 73 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:39.399 sit there. I don't really know how long I sat there, but I 74 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:47.720 began to realize nothing was moving. I mean it dead still, and started 75 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:51.879 actually honestly started creeping me out, and I, you know, it just 76 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:56.680 felt really strange. I sat there for you know, quite a while, 77 00:05:56.800 --> 00:06:00.839 and it was just dead still, no noise, knew nothing. So I 78 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:05.480 sat there for a while and started to getting creeped out and decided it's not 79 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:10.079 my day to be out here. So I lowered my rifle to the ground, 80 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:12.920 climbed down the tree, kind of looked around a little bit and see 81 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:15.720 anything. Nothing moving. So I started walking out. Well, I get 82 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:23.160 my stand was probably about ten twenty yards from this little log road. So 83 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:25.839 I'm walking, you know, begin to walk out. Now on my way 84 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:30.720 out, creek would be to my left and the ridge at this hill would 85 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:34.920 be to my right. So I started walking and I hadn't walked maybe ten 86 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:39.199 yards at the most, and up on top of this ridge, I hear 87 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:44.000 something walking, so I stopped. Well, I stopped, and they hear 88 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:48.560 one, maybe two steps, and then stopped. So I'm looking trying to 89 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:55.600 see something moving or you know, and nothing. You know. My first 90 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:57.600 thought went, you know, there's a deer up on the ridge. And 91 00:06:57.639 --> 00:07:00.879 I startled it and you know, yeah, but you know, I see 92 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:05.839 nothing. So I stand there, probably got a minute or so looking at 93 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:10.040 seeing things. So I start walking again. Well, the instant I start 94 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:15.199 walking, I hear footsteps up on top sounded like on top of this ridge. 95 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:20.399 And this ridge probably would have been twenty five yards probably maybe thirty at 96 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:27.439 the most to my right in the hillside on the way up, very little 97 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:31.040 trees snut. You know, they had logged it at one point and logged 98 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:36.120 it down, probably not a little ten yards from the creek, so you 99 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:41.480 know where they had logged whenever that was still didn't have many trees on it. 100 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:45.199 So I could see pretty much the old hillside. And this is early 101 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:47.959 December. You said, I guess most of the leaves were off the trees 102 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:51.680 and everything. Oh yeah, yeah, there was you know, there were 103 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:55.079 leaves on the ground, you know that kind of thing, so I could 104 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:57.480 what I was here, and I was here and crunching in waves, and 105 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:01.000 it was pretty dry, so I could hear it and it didn't have any 106 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:05.759 problem here at whatever I was here, it sounded pretty large. So anyway, 107 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:11.560 I'm start walking again. In the instant I started walking, almost matching 108 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:15.560 my footsteps, I hear something else walk, you know, I hear it 109 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:22.439 again. So I walked maybe ten yards and I stop again and I hear 110 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:26.240 one footstep I've dressed up, and it stopped. And you know, I'm 111 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:30.879 thinking, Okay, this doesn't sound like a deer. It sounds way too 112 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:35.679 heavy for a deer. And whatever I'm hearing sounds like it's walking on two 113 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:39.120 legs. So I'm looking, you know, I said, I don't see 114 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:45.919 anything. Well it's it's beginning to creep me out again, and something's following 115 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:52.559 me out here. So now let me add I have seen in those woods 116 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:56.600 several kyo to several bobcats. There was a lot of them out there, 117 00:08:56.720 --> 00:09:03.559 and you know, codies have been known to follow people, right, and 118 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:07.200 so you know, my mind goes there and I think, you know what 119 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:13.200 I'm hearing's too big. You can tell, you know, Cody, you 120 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:16.799 know, not making a whole lot of noise. You can still hear him. 121 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:20.240 But whatever, it's here and sounded to be a whole lot larger than 122 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:22.320 that. And it was going in the same direction as you, like, 123 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:26.879 paralleling you up on the ridge. Oh yeah, right, it was parallel 124 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:31.240 paralleling me, all right. Yeah. So I began to walk again, 125 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:37.399 and once again, the instant I start walking, I hear footsteps. So 126 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:41.039 I walk, you know, and while I'm walking, I'm looking, you 127 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:45.039 know, I'm looking up the hill, looking on the whole hillside, looking 128 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:50.320 on the ridge, and I don't see anything, no movement whatsoever. I 129 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:54.919 walked probably out on the thirty yards maybe this time, and I stop again. 130 00:09:54.200 --> 00:10:01.639 Same thing here, one footstep and stop. And you know, after 131 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:05.320 a few times, I'm starting to think, you know, what is this. 132 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:11.320 It's starting to kind of really really creep me out. Yeah, And 133 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:15.159 and I'm you know, so I start scanning hill, start looking on the 134 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:18.720 on the you know, the region, and it still I could see nothing. 135 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:22.720 So I stand there maybe a couple of minutes and you know, still 136 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:26.879 nothing. Let's start walking again. Anyway, you know this happened pretty much 137 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:31.159 all the way out, and like say, it was you know, three 138 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:35.559 quarters it was at least three quarters of a mile back there. So you 139 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:39.600 know, walking, stopping, walk and stopping. It's gonna take a little 140 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:43.200 while. I know it was a long time ago, but do you remember 141 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:50.399 whenever that was going on, do you remember hearing any other wildlife like birds 142 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:54.080 or squirrels alerting or anything like that. Oh no, no, No, 143 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:58.480 it was still did still dead still, I mean nothing. Yeah, that'd 144 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:03.559 be creepy, which is which is really unusual because even you know, even 145 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:05.039 like on the walk in and out, I would see squirrels, birds, 146 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:09.159 whatever, but I mean nothing, and I could know when I was stopping 147 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:13.960 it would stop. You know, I didn't hear anything. Dead silence and 148 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:18.720 still pretty good day light out. Oh yeah, yeah it was. Yeah, 149 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:24.399 I want to guess probably by the time I started walking out was maybe 150 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:28.679 four o'clock in the afternoon. Okay, that's a guess because I really don't 151 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:31.279 remember, but it was. It was late afternoon, but it was still 152 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:35.759 a good way from you know, getting dark. So you know, I 153 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:37.519 started walking again, and you know, every time I walk, I'm hearing 154 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:41.200 this thing. Well, after a few times I stopping and starting and hearing 155 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:45.679 this thing. I noticed that it sounds like it's coming off the ridge and 156 00:11:45.759 --> 00:11:50.720 kind of angling towards me. So, you know, at one point I 157 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:54.960 stopping it. When I hear it, it sounds like as I'm walking, 158 00:11:54.000 --> 00:12:00.919 it's about halfway between me and the ridge now, which would put it fifteen 159 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:03.480 yards from me, maybe twenty yards at the very most. Pretty close. 160 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:09.039 It was close, yeah, I mean I could from the sound of it. 161 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:11.559 Anyway, you know, like I said, and I'm still, I 162 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:13.679 see nothing, and there's very few like I said, there's very few trees 163 00:12:15.919 --> 00:12:22.200 on this hillside. So anyway, I keep walking, stopping, walking, 164 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:26.480 stopping in every time, same thing, one maybe two steps a couple times. 165 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:28.600 I think I heard two steps and then stopped. Now I have no 166 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:35.159 idea how many times I stopped, but you know, several times, because 167 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:37.519 you know, on the way up, well, I got finally got to 168 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:43.919 where I could make out through the through the trees to my right, you 169 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:46.960 know, the drops off to the creek and it starts going back up a 170 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:50.879 hill, and my uncle's house was on side of another hill on the other 171 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:56.440 side of the creek. I finally get to where I could see his house, 172 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:00.480 you know, little glimpses of it through the trees on the underside. 173 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:07.639 Says it wasn't that far from his house. And I stopped, and you 174 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:11.440 know, mind you every time just saying whatever it was, it sounds like 175 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:15.159 it's kind of, you know, getting closer to me, just so be 176 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:20.440 angling towards me off off the hill. So anyway, I get, I 177 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:24.039 get to where I can see his house a little bit through the trees, 178 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:28.639 and stop again, you know, the same thing. A couple of steps. 179 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:33.039 When I start walking again, Well this time I walk probably pretty good 180 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:39.799 ways, and and I stopped, and again it stopped. Well, this 181 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:43.080 time, now I can see my uncle's house through the trees pretty good. 182 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:50.960 By this point to my left, I hear something splashing the creek and run 183 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:54.240 up the hill toward me. Well, of course I freak out, you 184 00:13:54.320 --> 00:14:00.840 know, you know, and as I raised my rifle and pointed to whatever 185 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:05.480 this was, running up the hill and still trying to you know, I'm 186 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:07.559 looking that way and still trying to look, you know, back to the 187 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:09.919 right to see if I could see whatever this other thing was, well, 188 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:16.279 probably about ten yards in front of him on this little what used to be 189 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:22.799 a log road. My uncle had a Golden Retriever and he would often meet 190 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:26.240 me coming out of the woods. Well, that's what it was. That's 191 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:28.440 what I heard, splashing the creek, come run until always amazing me because 192 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:33.200 I never understood, you know, how does he know I'm here? You 193 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:35.799 know, because you know I'm walking quiet. But this dog would almost every 194 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:39.080 time, you know, meet me. Well, of course I wouldn't think 195 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:43.879 anything about that at this point because I'm being paced out. So anyway, 196 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:46.519 he jumps out in the road and he was wagging his tail, and he 197 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:50.360 comes kind of trotting up to me, wagging his tail. He gets about 198 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:56.320 halfway to me and he just instantly freezes us, and his hair bristles up, 199 00:14:56.360 --> 00:15:03.120 ears laid back, and he starts growling. And he stood there for 200 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:07.879 a second or two, and he instantly turned around and bolted back to the 201 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:13.000 house. And when he turned a rand, whatever this thing was that had 202 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:22.279 followed me out and started screaming and taking a time, man, take your 203 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:28.960 time. Yeah, when I hadn't talked about this in a long time. 204 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:35.639 When when this thing started screaming, it sounded like it was right on me 205 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:39.080 now, you know, And again, you know, as soon as it 206 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:45.600 started, you know, natural reaction. I'm turning my head to look and 207 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:50.840 I can't see anything, nothing, And this is so loud that I could 208 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:56.639 feel it. It's almost like you could feel it hitting you in the chest. 209 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:02.600 I think I mentioned this in the email, and this makes sound weird, 210 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:04.240 but it was almost like I could feel my hair. I had pretty 211 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:10.120 long hair back then. I could almost feel my hair blowing back. I 212 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:17.279 know that sounds ridiculous, but it probably wasn't. But just that loud, 213 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:22.840 unbelievable. I've never heard anything that close that loud as far as being in 214 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:26.960 the woods. Whenever it let out that screen right, what were you thinking? 215 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:34.279 Could you even process what was happening? No? The only thing I 216 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:40.399 knew, I was probably more afraid than I have ever in you know guys. 217 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:42.320 Things supposed to say things like that, the big strong hunter guy, 218 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:45.360 you know, and I supposed to say things like that. But I was 219 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:49.120 probably more afraid, probably to it. I was more afraid than I ever 220 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:53.720 had been in my life. And that's all I needed. I mean, 221 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:59.399 you're armed, but you don't see anything. No, and I'm you know, 222 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:06.720 I'm looking to where I I'm looking where the sounds coming from and there 223 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:08.880 was really no doubt where it was coming from, and it could not have 224 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:14.960 been more than fifteen yards from me. And I saw absolutely nothing, no 225 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:18.799 movement, no nothing, And I'm I mean, I can't move. I'm 226 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:23.839 froze and I'm standing there with a two seventy of my hand. Never once 227 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:29.160 but you know, I shouldered it when the dog came running. Appealed to 228 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:36.160 me, but it never once entered my mind, you know, to raise, 229 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:41.079 to raise my rifle toward it. I just wasn't very rifle might as 230 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:44.799 well not even been there. Yeah, so I don't know. I have 231 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:48.720 no idea how long I stood there. You know, it seemed like an 232 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:53.039 eternity to me. But as froze could move, tried to move my feet, 233 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:56.599 couldn't move, could move my arms. Nothing. I mean, I 234 00:17:56.720 --> 00:18:00.400 was just frozen. Like I say, I have no idea how long I 235 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:06.000 stood there in this scream just kept going. I don't remember it stopping. 236 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:15.200 It just kept going. Finally I got one foot and just sounds crazy, 237 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:21.240 I know, I got a foot. The moves and I thought, okay, 238 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:23.960 I can get out of there. So I knew you not to run. 239 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:29.400 Yeah, you know, I knew from a kid. You know, 240 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:33.759 if if there's a predator and you take off run and it's gonna it's gonna, 241 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:37.480 you know, make the predator instinct in this animal give chase, and 242 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:41.680 they're gonna chase you. So I knew you not to run. I wanted 243 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:48.839 to anyway, So I started walking, and best I could tell when I 244 00:18:48.880 --> 00:19:00.960 first started whatever, it was screaming, and it's still screaming. Sorry, 245 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:04.279 no need to apologize. Man, this is a lot. This is a 246 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:11.839 lot, you know. I start walking and I'm still looking. You know, 247 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:15.079 I'm not looking where I'm going. I'm looking where this thing screaming from, 248 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:22.359 and you know, still there's nothing there. Nothing. So anyway, 249 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:26.599 I managed to make it to the creek and it's still screaming at me. 250 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:27.839 Now, the creek's not that far from where, you know, where this 251 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:33.880 happened, maybe another ten fifteen yards to my left, so I'm not that 252 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:40.519 far from it. And it's not a very big creek. It's probably you 253 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:45.240 know, six foot wide and maybe you know, maybe a foot deep at 254 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:48.960 the most, but where I use across the you know, ankle deep at 255 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:53.880 the most. Anyway, So I get to the creek and I started across 256 00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:59.400 it. But this thing's still screaming. The second at my foot hit the 257 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:03.440 other side of the creek, it stopped dead silence. I didn't hear anything 258 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:10.119 walking off, didn't hear you know, nothing, It's dead silent, and 259 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:15.920 it stopped. Well, you know, I kind of turned around. No 260 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:19.920 I'm still walking, but I kind of turned around and looked, you know, 261 00:20:21.079 --> 00:20:26.839 still see nothing, see no movement, no anything, And finally make 262 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:30.839 my way back to my truck and back up and I leave. There was 263 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:36.480 a guy that hunted with me a lot, and actually hunted moved me back 264 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:40.359 there quite a bit. So I got home, of course, you know, 265 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:42.839 back into them cell phones or anything. I got home, I called 266 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:48.440 him and I told him what happened, and he, you know, laughed 267 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:51.000 at me, kyled He followed you out of the woods and screamed at you. 268 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:57.000 And you know, of course I put it away after that, because 269 00:20:57.039 --> 00:21:03.920 I know there's no way what I heard, little coy you know, yeah, 270 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:07.119 I know, you know, like I had seen several bobcats back there 271 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:11.720 before, and pretty large ones, but there's no way a cat did that. 272 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:21.119 You know, it may have stopped in from the time it started to 273 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:23.160 the time I crossed the creek, and I honestly don't have any idea how 274 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:26.400 long that was. It may have stopped, but if it did, I 275 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:30.960 don't remember it. And it was one to me. It was just like 276 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:38.240 one continuous, long, loud scream. And when I say scream, it's 277 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:44.720 what it sounded like. I mean, it wasn't It wasn't a roar. 278 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:48.880 It wasn't, you know, a growl. It was a scream like a 279 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:52.440 person. It started with at the very start of it. It's exactly what 280 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:56.240 it sounded like. It almost sounded like you, I know when I say 281 00:21:56.279 --> 00:21:57.559 this. But you know, people can't think, well, that's a cat, 282 00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:03.279 because cats can sound like I'm screaming. But I assure you just was 283 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:07.480 no cat. But when it first started, that's the first thing that popped 284 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:11.240 in my head. There's as sounded like a woman screaming. But it just 285 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:21.440 got louder and deeper. It was no cat. There's no way anyway. 286 00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:30.440 That's that's the short of it. I guess, you know. That's the 287 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:33.480 only you know what I told you. When I got home, I called 288 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:34.920 my buddy that a hundred wits and told him, and you know, he 289 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:37.519 kind of laughed. I you kyo, he followed you out of the woods. 290 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:44.440 Well, you know, so I just put it away. And a 291 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:52.559 few years ago I discovered podcast and started listening to some big foot sasquatch podcast 292 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:56.640 and you know, kind of brought it back to mind. And I don't 293 00:22:56.680 --> 00:23:00.160 know that's what it was, you know. Like I say, I I 294 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:03.720 didn't see anything. And honestly, I'm glad I didn't see it. Anything 295 00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:07.920 that sound like that, I don't want to see. Did you ever return 296 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:15.279 to that location? I did a few times. I never went back alone. 297 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:18.440 My buddy that I called and told about it, you know, him, 298 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:22.480 and I went back there a few times. Never went back. As 299 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:26.519 far as my stand, to my knowledge, it's probably still there because I 300 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:30.720 never went back got it, what's left of it is probably still there. 301 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:34.559 As should say, I never, I never went back got it. There. 302 00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:42.519 Never any more incidents after that or anything, not as no, not 303 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:49.799 as far as that goes. Now, now, I did. I did 304 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:56.759 at one point my wife and my daughter and I went camping out there. 305 00:23:56.839 --> 00:23:59.720 Now, when I say out there, it was just on the very edge 306 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:03.319 of property right there at the creek and where we were, you know, 307 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:07.559 you could see my uncle's house. You could also see another house across the 308 00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:11.160 creek. But I was a little bit nervous, to say the least. 309 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:15.640 But nothing happened. Yeah, you know, it was what's really odd to 310 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:19.279 me. It was, like I said, we had hunted, you know, 311 00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:23.440 myself and my buddy and me alone. You know, I used to 312 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:30.599 hunt that a lot, and nothing nothing like that ever happened. So you 313 00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:33.960 know, that really didn't make a whole lot of sense to me either. 314 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:38.839 And like obviously your uncle and nobody ever mentioned anything. No, And I 315 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:44.799 asked him if you had ever heard anything or see anything strange, you know, 316 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:48.799 and he, of course he said no. If he had, he 317 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:56.680 didn't tell me. Yeah. Now I did not see this, But you 318 00:24:56.799 --> 00:25:00.359 asked if you know any other incidents since that happened to me. There was 319 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:04.599 a couple of things that happened to some other people. They didn't see nothing 320 00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:11.480 like that, but there was they saw lights across the road from where this 321 00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:18.079 property starts. There was there was a house and the guy. Again I 322 00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:22.160 did not see this, so this is second hand, right, But the 323 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:26.279 guy woke up one night and there was a ball of light in his front 324 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:30.960 yard. And now he this he had a huge, huge yard and it 325 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:34.640 was surrounded by a pasture. Guy had horses and he had you know, 326 00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:38.960 it's a big pasture. And he woke up in the middle of the night 327 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:42.839 and saw this ball of light in his front yard. So he called the 328 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:48.039 police and they came out there. And this was probably maybe a month or 329 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:53.720 two after that happened to me. The police showed up, was one guy, 330 00:25:55.400 --> 00:25:57.279 and he pulled up in the driveway and it was still there, hadn't 331 00:25:57.319 --> 00:26:03.559 moved, and he called for back up. Little another guy, another police 332 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:07.839 showed up, and they got out started walking toward it, and when they 333 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:12.160 did, it started kind of floating off in the pasture. They walked to 334 00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:15.119 the pasture fence and sit there and watched it, and it went across the 335 00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:19.720 pasture back to the woods and disappeared in the woods. Wow. Yeah, 336 00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:27.319 now I didn't see that, right. But the police officer that that happened 337 00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:33.440 to you, he actually told me about it, so and I didn't He 338 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:36.359 had no reason to lie about it. And I never mentioned anything about what 339 00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:40.799 happened to me or anything else out there. But yeah, there was some 340 00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:45.039 other strange things happened on that property, in that uncle's house and actually where 341 00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:47.720 I worked was on that property, but was on the very edge of that 342 00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:52.279 property, and there was some strange things happened in the building that I worked, 343 00:26:52.880 --> 00:27:00.519 like haunting type stuff. Yeah, and uh well yeah, yeah, 344 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:04.680 things flying off the shelf, equipment being turned on when nobody's around it, 345 00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:11.319 lights turning off and on, that kind of thing. Yeah, that stuff 346 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:15.559 never bothered me. I mean, that's kind of happened in and around me 347 00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:21.799 for you know, pretty good while better part of my life. Yeah, 348 00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:25.440 and that never really bothered me. It's you know, it's interested me and 349 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:30.319 never really you know. There was one time that I was I was there 350 00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:33.960 working at night. I was there by myself, and this was probably it 351 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:37.359 was pretty late, I don't know, midnight or so we'll say. And 352 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:40.400 I'm sitting there working and it's you know, they got music playing, and 353 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:45.880 something just pounded on the back door. Now that the back of this building 354 00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:48.720 where I worked was woods, it was like it was on it was on 355 00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:52.440 the edge of the property where this other happened. And something just pounded on 356 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:56.720 the back door. By mean pound. It sound like the door has come 357 00:27:56.759 --> 00:28:00.839 off changes you know that that's pretty interesting. And this was after this was 358 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:07.920 after the screen huh. Yeah, I don't really remember how long after. 359 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:11.480 It wasn't very long afterwards, but it was. It was a little bit 360 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:15.960 after him. But of course I got up and walked out and nothing was 361 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:19.759 there. As that sounds pretty dull, sometiwn on your back door and you're 362 00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:22.759 gonna get up and go out in the door in the middle of the night, 363 00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:26.680 So let's stare. That's what I did. So you mentioned that your 364 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:34.599 wife had experienced some things. Yeah, you know, she has seen shadow 365 00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:38.880 figures in our house. I haven't seen it. She has, and she 366 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:42.960 doesn't really believe in a lot of that stuff, but but she's seen the 367 00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:48.559 shadow figures. But she's just out on the whole big foot thing. Oh 368 00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:55.119 yeah, yeah, she thinks I'm nuts. Any idea, like, you 369 00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:59.240 know, why is that? Why are some people willing to, you know, 370 00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:03.240 just finely accept certain things, but then whenever it comes to bigfoot, 371 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:06.640 they're just no, there's no way. I don't know, I have no 372 00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:11.920 idea. I don't know. It's it's a mystery to me, you know. 373 00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:18.880 I mean I mentioned the screen a while back. I got online. 374 00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:22.519 I thought, well, you know, almostly if I can't find anything that 375 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:29.400 sounds like it, and I really couldn't find anything that sounded like what I 376 00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:33.799 heard. I heard and I went back and try to find it again and 377 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:38.079 I couldn't, and I should have bookmarked it or something, but I didn't. 378 00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:44.279 I did find something at one point that sounded similar. Do you remember 379 00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:48.279 what it was like, what it was a recording of or was it just 380 00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:51.880 unknown? Well? It was it was it was a recording of something unknown, 381 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:56.599 Okay, And I don't remember you know where it was from or you 382 00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:00.599 know where I found it. I should, I say, I should have 383 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:03.559 book marked it, and it did part of the reason that I think your 384 00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:10.200 story is so important. It's not so much there. We talked a little 385 00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:15.039 bit about this before we started recording. You had mentioned and we won't go 386 00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.839 into any names or anything, but you had mentioned that you had reached out 387 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:26.200 to a couple of other podcasts and people didn't have a very warm reception of 388 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:33.400 your story. No, the ones that I only had one answer an email. 389 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:37.119 The other ones, you know, I never heard anything back. One 390 00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:41.640 of them. I think I emailed a couple of times, but it was 391 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:47.200 like, Okay, this doesn't fit this don't fit our box, so right, 392 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:48.920 you know, you know what I'm saying that makes sense, I mean, 393 00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:53.279 because you know, a lot of it is, well, this guy 394 00:30:53.319 --> 00:31:00.519 didn't really see anything, you know, But to me, that's kind of 395 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:04.599 the point is you should have seen something. I should have seen something as 396 00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:08.000 close as it was, you know, I mean, I saw no movement, 397 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:12.279 no nothing. You know. I've heard, you know, different people's 398 00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:15.559 story about they saw a big foot, cloak or you know whatever. I 399 00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:18.079 don't know what I think about that. I have no idea what I think 400 00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:22.920 about that. I don't know what to think about that, right, not 401 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:26.640 saying it. I don't believe it, you know, who's to say. 402 00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:33.480 But you know when they say that, they mentioned something like things being pixelated, 403 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:37.519 you know, like you know, they could see movement, but it's 404 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.319 more of a pixelation they were seeing. And I saw nothing, you know, 405 00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:48.799 absolutely nothing, no leaves moving, nothing, Nope, not a thing. 406 00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:52.119 You see. That's the port when I when I when I get to 407 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:57.200 that point, you know, you know, I'm told, well, here's 408 00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:01.279 why that can't happen. Oh, okay, that might be why I can't 409 00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:06.359 happen. But I promise it happened, you know, I'm why would I 410 00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:08.279 make this up? I mean, just hearing the story it obviously happened. 411 00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:15.039 Hearing the emotion in your voice as you're reliving those events, it obviously happened. 412 00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:22.960 And God blessed that Golden retriever, you know, the Golden Retriever at 413 00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:27.160 least since whatever was there as well, So you do kind of have a 414 00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:31.799 witness, you know. I think back on that. You know, when 415 00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:35.400 I first saw the dog, it was very much relief. You know, 416 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.079 I was so related to see that, see that dog. When I finally 417 00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:42.160 figured out, you know, it was the dog coming. Yeah, but 418 00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:44.920 when I think took off, I almost got mad at him. You can 419 00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:46.599 leave me out, You can leave me out here like that, you know, 420 00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:52.240 thanks a lot man's best friend. Yeah, it might be my uncle's 421 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:55.119 best friend, but you're obviously not mine, right, Yeah, But I 422 00:32:55.160 --> 00:33:00.119 mean even the dog's reaction, oh yeah, you know, the bristling of 423 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:07.000 the hair and the growley and everything. Yeah, you know, at when 424 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.880 he stopped whatever this was, I mean there was no sound, you know, 425 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:14.680 there was no footsteps, there was nothing, no sound, you know, 426 00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:17.960 and I couldn't see it. Maybe he could, I don't know. 427 00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:22.359 Did he look towards where you thought it was at? Oh? Yeah he 428 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.000 did. Yes, he was looking dead at it. When he when he 429 00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:30.440 stopped and froze, his head instantly turned and was looking and from where you 430 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:35.640 were standing, just kind of following the angle of where he was looking. 431 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:39.640 I mean, it's not up on the ridge. It's down low by you. 432 00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:45.240 I know, it's it's it's it's down Yeah, he looked. He 433 00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:51.240 looked like he was looking, you know, just to my right, like 434 00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:54.480 you know, right there. No, I couldn't tell you, you know, 435 00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:59.759 an angle or you know whatever, But I'm just saying he wasn't looking 436 00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:04.920 off in the distance. Oh no, No, he was not looking very 437 00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:08.199 far to my right, but he was definitely looking. I mean he was 438 00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:13.280 like, you know, honed in on it and didn't want nothing to do 439 00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:15.800 with whatever it was. You know, he didn't want a part of it. 440 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:19.599 And I mean he you know, growled, showed teas for a second 441 00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:22.920 or two, and took his tale and got out of there a lot faster 442 00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:30.719 than he came up there. Yeah, that's so. I mean, after 443 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:35.159 all these years, what conclusion have you reached? I mean, I know 444 00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:38.800 you started listening to Bigfoot podcast, but was that because of this event? 445 00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:45.360 Did you ever reach a conclusion that that might have been what it was at 446 00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:51.679 some point. Yeah, and honestly that's yeah, I'm sure that's why I 447 00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:55.679 started listening. And at the time, you know, when it happened, 448 00:34:55.960 --> 00:35:00.960 you know, that wasn't even on my radar, you know, you know 449 00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:04.840 i'd heard about it and all this kind of stuff, of course everybody has, 450 00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:08.360 but you know I didn't sure, just you know, something I never 451 00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:14.519 thought of, And when it happened, I didn't think of that all I 452 00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:17.920 knew, you know, what the thing was. I didn't want no part 453 00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:22.480 of it. So where are you at now with all of it? Are 454 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:28.000 you comfortable going out into the woods or no? No, well I don't. 455 00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:34.159 I don't hunt anymore. I quit on because of that event. Yeah. 456 00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:37.440 Yeah, I hate to say it too, because you know, like 457 00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:40.119 I said, I loved it, and I absolutely loved it. I would, 458 00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:44.000 you know, go go sit and I stand for you know, until 459 00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:45.800 I got dark. You know, I'm usually walking out in the dark with 460 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:53.199 a flashlight, and you know, wasn't so much. I just like being 461 00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:58.159 out there, loved it, you know what. It didn't matter to me 462 00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:01.159 if I took anything or not. I just like being out there. Yeah, 463 00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:06.440 that saddens me to hear it. But you certainly aren't the only hunter 464 00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:13.039 that that's ever happened to, or outdoors person or hiker or anything. I 465 00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:20.199 mean, it's a shame, but I mean that's that's your own thing to 466 00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:25.320 deal with, and you got to deal with it how you can. Yeah, 467 00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:30.199 a couple not a year or so ago, my wife and I went 468 00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:34.320 to this place that they have cabins that's out in the woods and they have 469 00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:37.840 cabins and hiking trails and they're setting other and so we went for the weekend 470 00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:42.760 and you know, we're doing the hiking trails and walking through the woods and 471 00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:45.280 all this stuff, and the whole time, you know, that's in my 472 00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:49.719 mind and I'm listening, you know. Yeah, I didn't say I never 473 00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:52.679 told her that. She didn't know, but the whole time, you know, 474 00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:59.480 I'm on guard for that. I don't know if it would help at 475 00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:05.039 all, but just something to point out. I mean, if this thing 476 00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:09.639 had wanted to harm you, it could have. Yeah, I've definitely thought 477 00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:15.880 about that. Definitely thought about that. Oh, they could have got many 478 00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:20.400 point it wanted to There's no doubt in my mind whatever it was. You 479 00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:22.960 know, like I say, I don't I won't sit here and say it. 480 00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:25.840 You know, I won't make an attempt at what it was because I 481 00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:30.920 have no idea, right right, no no idea. But I have heard 482 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:35.800 similar stories, but people being paced out of the whoops, very similar to 483 00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:38.559 this. It's actually heard one last night, you know, and I think 484 00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:43.440 it was on your show. Yeah, I've talked to several people. I've 485 00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:47.519 definitely been in situations where you know, we were paced out. I can't 486 00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:52.960 tell you the number of people that did exactly what you did, where they 487 00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:58.480 would stop walking here, the one or two steps afterwards, dead quiet, 488 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:02.400 start again, and then it would art back up again. Right. The 489 00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:07.079 difference being and this, you know, I won't say it doesn't bother me, 490 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:09.880 because it does. But the difference being, I don't know that I've 491 00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:15.119 ever heard another one where they, you know, nothing was seen. Well, 492 00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:21.960 I know somebody, I know somebody as a matter of fact, you 493 00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:30.559 know somebody good and this thing, you know, the similarities are pretty uncanny, 494 00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:37.159 very similar type situation. He was hiking instead of hunting, and this 495 00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:39.800 thing was pacing on. He should have seen it, but he couldn't. 496 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:46.920 I think he may have written it off as possibly just the cover that it 497 00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:51.159 was in was too thick for him to see it. But you know, 498 00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:53.039 he struggled with that. I know him personally, he's one of my friends, 499 00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:57.960 and he struggled with that a lot because he still thinks even with the 500 00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:00.559 cover, he should have been able to see it, should seen movement at 501 00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:06.719 leaders. Yeah, and it was another situation where all this was going on 502 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:14.119 and then he crossed a creek and it stopped immediately once he gone no, 503 00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:22.880 not at all. So in both both of those scenarios, I think whatever 504 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.360 it was, again, nothing was seen, so we don't know. But 505 00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:29.880 whatever it was, I think just wanted to move you out of its area. 506 00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:34.400 And it marked that creek because it's territory and on the other side of 507 00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:37.719 the creek belonged to your uncle or whoever, and it just wanted you out 508 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:42.199 of there. That makes sense. Well, I'm glad to know that. 509 00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:45.800 It makes me feel a little bit better. And I gotta take I gotta 510 00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:52.400 say, saying this out loud to somebody else that actually doesn't think I'm nuts 511 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:58.880 helps immensely. You're not not at all, even after all this time. 512 00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:04.119 I don't I think anybody listening, you know, to your story and hearing 513 00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:07.960 you tell it, we'll think you're nuts. I don't think so at all. 514 00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:14.599 It's it's definitely a release too well good noo closet like this, yeah 515 00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:21.320 good. I mean it helps me to hear stories from people, just you 516 00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:24.440 know, because of my own experiences and dealing with them. And you know, 517 00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:30.719 I've got a wife too, who well, I believe you saw something 518 00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:34.960 or you believe you saw something, you know, but that that's as far 519 00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:37.400 as she'll go with it. And that's my wife that knows me better than 520 00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:42.239 anybody. You know, other people listening to it. You know, if 521 00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:46.320 somebody's experienced something, I hope it helps them. And the fact of the 522 00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:52.320 matter is some of the most traumatizing and scary things we deal with are things 523 00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:57.199 that we never actually see that that that doesn't mean it didn't happen or there 524 00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:01.239 wasn't anything there. Yeah, you know, I've heard, Like I said, 525 00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:07.360 I've listened to a lot of show with a lot of podcasts and a 526 00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:10.480 lot of questions. One question that asked I've heard to ask a lot. 527 00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:15.719 You know, if somebody has seen one seen something, do you want to 528 00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:21.519 see one? Do you want to see one again? And that's like I 529 00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:24.440 didn't see what it was you know that screamed at me, and I didn't 530 00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:28.880 want to see that. In no way I want to see it. Yeah, 531 00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:31.159 and I can't imagine somebody seeing one want to see another one. Now 532 00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:37.440 that's just me, but there's a lot of people that go looking for these 533 00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.840 things, and every once in a while, one of those people sees one 534 00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:46.000 and never goes back. You know. At one point, not too long 535 00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:52.280 ago, you know, I thought, because I actually know somebody, not 536 00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:59.159 personally, but I have talked to you that does that, and I thought, 537 00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:05.039 you know, maybe that would help. But I don't know. I 538 00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:12.079 mean, I would suggest, you know, don't let it take away something 539 00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:17.400 you love forever. Yeah, you know, even if it's just taking baby 540 00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:24.280 steps going to a park, you know, always going with somebody, do 541 00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:30.079 whatever you can to get back out there at a level that you're comfortable at 542 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:37.639 going to. Yeah, we'll see. But you know I said I don't 543 00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:39.920 hunt anymore. That's not to say, you know, let's say we you 544 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:44.159 know, we went camping out there one time, like again, it was 545 00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:45.960 on the very edge of this property, you know, right on that creek, 546 00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:52.159 on the side of the creek where it stopped. Yeah, and you 547 00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:54.639 know, we went to that place and hiking through the woods and you know 548 00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:59.039 that kind of thing. So it's not like I'm not in the woods at 549 00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:01.719 all. Is the feeling the same that it used to be? I mean, 550 00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:06.719 do you get out there in nature and feel relaxed or our young guard 551 00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.519 the whole time? I'm not as relaxed as I used to be. Let's 552 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:14.719 put it that one. Yeah, and I'm definitely you know, it's in 553 00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:22.199 my mind. It's it's it's there. If you had something to say to 554 00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:27.599 somebody else who is listening that had an experience like this, what would you 555 00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:31.880 tell them? You're not crazy, you know, regardless of what somebody says, 556 00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:38.280 you know what happened to you. You know, talk about it. 557 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:44.760 Don't keep it in, you know, just just because one person may laugh 558 00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:49.920 at your tell you're nuts, you know, don't hold it in. It 559 00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:54.239 helps to talk about it. And there's other people out there that's had you 560 00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:57.639 know, like I just found out because you know, as I said, 561 00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:00.880 I've never heard anybody have a story exactly like this, and you know that 562 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.760 you say, you know, well, this happened to a buddy mine, 563 00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:07.760 very similar, you know, even as far as crossing the creek and its 564 00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.679 stopping. So you know, that tells me, you know, there's always 565 00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:16.039 somebody out there that's had something extremely similar happened to them. Is what's happened 566 00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:22.239 to you? You're not you're you're not You're not alone. And even if 567 00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:25.039 they haven't experienced the same experience, they might have experienced the same emotions, 568 00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:30.119 you know, exactly exactly right. And that's what a lot of this is 569 00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:35.440 about. You know, it's about the experience, the encounter the person has. 570 00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:38.000 You know, they were the one that was there, not you, 571 00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:43.400 right, So yeah, that's how I approach it, at least. So 572 00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:47.480 that's that's what kind of that's what kind of bothered me. And I'm again 573 00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:52.079 I'm not using any names, but one guy in particular that I contacted that 574 00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:54.960 they had answered me back, you know, he began to tell me how 575 00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:59.800 this could not happen, and I'm like, dude, you weren't there. 576 00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:04.320 You know, you don't have a clue what could happen or what couldn't happen. 577 00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:07.000 Don't tell me you know that can't happen, because it happened, you 578 00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:15.079 know. I mean, in my experience, I can't speak on behalf of 579 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:22.920 everybody, but in my opinion at least. That's usually whenever you're telling somebody 580 00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:27.039 something that challenges what they want to believe, and it puts them in a 581 00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:30.679 state of fear and unknowing, and they don't want to accept that. Nobody 582 00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:35.360 wants to believe that there's an invisible monster out in the woods. That's very 583 00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:39.000 true. We can wrap our head around you know, a big, hairy, 584 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:45.320 you know, primate of some kind that just is misunderstood. But something 585 00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:50.599 that's invisible, well, how do we conquer that as a human race? 586 00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:53.960 How that doesn't put us at the top of the food chain anymore? That's 587 00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:58.039 fact. But you know, I don't, I don't. I don't know 588 00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:00.119 you used the word invisible. I don't know that I would go as far 589 00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:05.360 as saying it was invisible, right right, but it but it makes sense 590 00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:08.280 because I couldn't see anything, and it was definitely something there. I mean, 591 00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:12.679 I could feel it when it went, you know. I mean, 592 00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:19.639 I won't begin to speculate the the how you know or why you weren't able 593 00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:23.159 to see it, because I don't know. Uh, nobody knows. Maybe 594 00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:28.440 it wasn't invisible. I don't know was it invisible? You know, was 595 00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:31.199 it able to do something to your mind to just make you think you couldn't 596 00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:36.239 see it. You know that this might sound crazy, but I never really 597 00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:40.199 thought, you know, hey, this thing was invisible. Whatever it was, 598 00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:45.239 it was invisible. That may sound weird because I couldn't see it, 599 00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:49.280 but I mean, I know I couldn't see it, but it never really 600 00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:52.920 I don't know, I never used that word to process it, which may 601 00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:58.320 sound it may sound strange, not really, because things aren't invisible, you 602 00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:01.079 know. So that's true. That's true. I mean, like, as 603 00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:05.400 you were telling your story, you know, there are some things that even 604 00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:09.199 I can relate to, and one of the main points is your mind trying 605 00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:13.639 to process what you're experiencing and trying to figure out what it is, Yeah, 606 00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:17.079 and trying to insert you know, the round peg in the square hole 607 00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:22.480 over and over again, you know, the coyote, a bobcat, a 608 00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:25.440 mountain lion. Is it another person out here? What is happening? And 609 00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:30.519 none of them fit? And whenever, none of those things fit in that 610 00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:37.039 endless rolodex in our head. It's hard to process. Man. It's you 611 00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:39.320 know, yeah, I will say this, and it's just I just thought 612 00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:43.960 of this. There was I was talking to a guy. You know, 613 00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:46.760 it's been a couple of years ago, probably maybe longer than that. I 614 00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:52.079 was talking to a guy that his parents used to live in that area and 615 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:58.440 he did two years well, when he was a kid. And he just 616 00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:01.519 added the blue and I never mentioned and it still didn't you know, anything 617 00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:07.679 about you know, what happened to me. But he did mention that they 618 00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:12.280 would hear like hows and screams in the woods at night. Huh. That 619 00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:15.960 is all about that. Yeah, But you know, as far as that 620 00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:20.599 conversation went, I never said anything about what happened to me, and he 621 00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:28.480 didn't really elaborate anything other than other than that. But that was probably I 622 00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:30.639 think where they would may have been a mile mile and a half from where 623 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:35.239 that happened, or from the age from the edge of that property. I 624 00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:37.559 mean, I would consider that a puzzle piece for sure. Yeah, for 625 00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:42.239 sure. Yeah, but that just occurred to me. And you said the 626 00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.760 property backed up to state land. Oh yeah, it was just hundreds and 627 00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:51.519 thousands of acres of nothing. But you know, woods nothing. You know, 628 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:58.239 it's a very rural area. You know, small town here. Twenty 629 00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:01.760 miles down the rather day there's another small town you know. I mean, 630 00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:07.519 we kind of talked about what information you're comfortable with before we recorded. And 631 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:10.800 I'll just say this much. This did happen in Alabama, Yes, And 632 00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:17.039 I am friends with a lot of people that have told me a lot of 633 00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:22.880 bigfoot stories from Alabama. Really. Yeah, it's a it's a pretty in 634 00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:27.599 the South. It's well known for its big foot activity and a lot of 635 00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:30.960 it's some pretty strange stuff too. Yeah your story. Don't think you're crazy. 636 00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:36.800 I appreciate it. I really, Like I said, I appreciate you 637 00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:40.920 reaching out to me for one and sharing it because I know that's hard to 638 00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:44.960 do, and then to come on the show, like it takes a lot, 639 00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:47.000 man, it takes a lot, and I appreciate it. Well, 640 00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:51.599 I appreciate you having me on. And you know, I said I had 641 00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:54.920 pretty much given up on you know, after reaching out the two pretty different 642 00:49:54.960 --> 00:50:00.199 people, and one contacted me back and telling me he did and I had 643 00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:05.679 pretty much given up on you know. Well I'm saying, you know, 644 00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:12.440 talking about it, and now no, I found your podcast a couple of 645 00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:15.400 weeks ago, I guess just three weeks ago, and really like it and 646 00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:20.400 listen to it quite a bit. Actually, and I don't know. Just 647 00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:25.920 well, I'll give you just got an email and see what happens. Yeah, 648 00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:29.360 if nothing else, he has a cool name. That's the fact, 649 00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:35.519 you know it. Oh yeah, all right, Matt. Well, thanks 650 00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:37.599 again for coming on and sharing your story. I appreciate it, and I'm 651 00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:42.000 sure the listeners do as well. Well. Thank you so much for having 652 00:50:42.039 --> 00:50:45.880 me. And if you've had an encounter with something you can't explain, send 653 00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:50.719 me an email at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check out the website 654 00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:54.119 Bigfoot Crossroads dot com. You can find links to social media, a contact 655 00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:58.719 for him to reach me directly, links to merchandise, and past episodes, 656 00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:01.960 all in one place. And until next time, I remember, there's something 657 00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:31.559 in the woods.