1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:05,080 But I began to realize nothing was moving still honestly started creeping me out. 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,039 I lowered my rifle to the ground, climbed on a tree, and up 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,679 on top of this ridge. I hear something walking, so I stopped, 4 00:00:10,679 --> 00:00:14,400 and I hear one maybe two steps, and it stopped. Start walking again, 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,559 and the instant I start walking, almost matching my footsteps. I hear 6 00:00:18,879 --> 00:00:21,280 something else walk, you know. I hear it again, and I stop 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,519 again, and I hear one footstep if dressed up, and it stopped. 8 00:00:24,719 --> 00:00:28,480 After a few times, I'm starting to think, you know, what is 9 00:00:28,559 --> 00:00:31,440 this? You know, it's starting to kind of really really creep me out. 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,520 I noticed that it sounds like it's coming off the ridge and kind of 11 00:00:34,679 --> 00:00:39,320 angling towards me. I hear something splashing the creep and run up the hill 12 00:00:39,399 --> 00:00:41,880 toward me. My uncle had a golden retriever. Well, of course I 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,200 wouldn't think anything about that at this point, because I'm being paced out. 14 00:00:45,359 --> 00:00:47,880 He jumps out in the road and he was wagging his tail. He gets 15 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,759 about halfway to me and he just instantly freezes us, and his hair bristles 16 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,920 up, ears laid back, and he starts growling. He stood there for 17 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,679 a second or two, and he instantly turned around and bolted, and when 18 00:00:58,679 --> 00:01:02,719 he turned a ran everything was that had followed me out and started screaming. 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,480 When this thing started screaming, and it sounded like it was right on me, 20 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,480 you know, as soon as it started natural reaction, I'm turning my 21 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,480 head to look and I can't see anything, nothing, And this is so 22 00:01:12,599 --> 00:01:17,000 loud you could feel it hitting you in the chest. I could almost feel 23 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,680 my hair blowing back. I've never heard anything that close that loud. I 24 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:23,280 was more afraid bad ever I had been in my life. That's all I 25 00:01:23,400 --> 00:02:06,840 made. I'd like to welcome Matt to Bigfoot Crossroads, not me a different 26 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:13,080 man. Yeah, how you doing, Matt, what's going on? Doing 27 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,800 good? Doing good? Appreciate you having me on, Yeah for sure. 28 00:02:15,039 --> 00:02:19,759 I mean, first off, you've got a fantastic name. Uh oh, 29 00:02:19,879 --> 00:02:24,280 yeah, thank you as well. You do very strong name, very masculine 30 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:32,039 name, extremely strong. Yeah. So you emailed me telling me your story, 31 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:37,919 sharing your story with me, and uh and you know, to be 32 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:43,560 honest, I thought your story was a very important one to tell. I 33 00:02:43,599 --> 00:02:49,319 know you've got some reservations about sharing it, so I do appreciate you coming 34 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,439 on to talk about it if you don't mind, you know, just kind 35 00:02:53,439 --> 00:02:57,520 of go through the same story that you told me. You know, what 36 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,080 happened, and everything with as much or as little detail as you want. 37 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:07,439 Okay, good deal. Well, this uh happened in December, early part 38 00:03:07,479 --> 00:03:15,639 of December in nineteen ninety five. And as I often did, you got 39 00:03:15,719 --> 00:03:20,439 off work early and decided I was going to go hunt, and had had 40 00:03:20,479 --> 00:03:27,080 a tree stand set up on some land, family land. And you know 41 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,400 this wasn't in common if I got off work earlyist what I did if it 42 00:03:30,479 --> 00:03:35,280 happened to be, you know, a hunting season. So I got off 43 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,759 work early, decided I was you know, that's what I was going to 44 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,680 do. And my stand was on, like I said, on some family 45 00:03:39,759 --> 00:03:45,639 land, several acres, and it was backed up by just I don't know, 46 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,680 hundreds and hundreds of acres of state land. And you know I hunted 47 00:03:49,759 --> 00:03:53,560 back there several several times for several years, and for the most part, 48 00:03:53,879 --> 00:03:58,159 unless I brought somebody with me, I never saw anybody out there, I 49 00:03:58,159 --> 00:04:02,000 mean nobody. So anyway, so I got I got off, drove to 50 00:04:02,039 --> 00:04:06,000 my uncle's house he lived on the property, and part and got out, 51 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,840 got all my gear together, and you know, started walking in the woods 52 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,240 and to get left his house, walked down the hill and there's a creek 53 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,160 and you have to cross the creek. And so I crossed the creek and 54 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,439 start going up a hill. About halfway up this hill, there's an old 55 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:25,800 logging road which wasn't really much of a road, more of a path through 56 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:30,319 the woods by this time because and then used in years. Anyway, this 57 00:04:30,319 --> 00:04:34,600 old logging road it follows this hillside and the creek, and it just you 58 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:40,639 know, follows back. And my stand was probably I would guess probably three 59 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,439 quarters to a mile back in the woods. It was a pretty good walk. 60 00:04:43,519 --> 00:04:46,480 Took a while, pretty back far away from the house. Then oh 61 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,720 yeah, yeah, yeah. You couldn't you know, in no way you 62 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,800 could see the house, you could know lights, could hear anything, just 63 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,079 you know, just woods. So as you know, I walk in, 64 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,519 taking my time, walking slow, just looking around and enjoyed being out in 65 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,800 the woods, which is really the main reason I haunted. I was the 66 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:09,439 kind of was the kind of hunter that I just liked being in the woods. 67 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,519 You know, it didn't matter if I took anything or not. I 68 00:05:11,639 --> 00:05:15,319 just that's what I like. Anyway, I walk in and finally make it 69 00:05:15,319 --> 00:05:18,879 to my stand, climb up in the tree, pull my rifle up, 70 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:28,040 and I sit there. And usually fifteen or twenty minutes, maybe thirty minutes, 71 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,279 you know, before things were start moving, and I mean usually the 72 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,959 woods would just come alive, it was, you know, And so I 73 00:05:33,959 --> 00:05:39,399 sit there. I don't really know how long I sat there, but I 74 00:05:39,439 --> 00:05:47,720 began to realize nothing was moving. I mean it dead still, and started 75 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,879 actually honestly started creeping me out, and I, you know, it just 76 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,680 felt really strange. I sat there for you know, quite a while, 77 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,839 and it was just dead still, no noise, knew nothing. So I 78 00:06:00,879 --> 00:06:05,480 sat there for a while and started to getting creeped out and decided it's not 79 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:10,079 my day to be out here. So I lowered my rifle to the ground, 80 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,920 climbed down the tree, kind of looked around a little bit and see 81 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,720 anything. Nothing moving. So I started walking out. Well, I get 82 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:23,160 my stand was probably about ten twenty yards from this little log road. So 83 00:06:23,199 --> 00:06:25,839 I'm walking, you know, begin to walk out. Now on my way 84 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:30,720 out, creek would be to my left and the ridge at this hill would 85 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,920 be to my right. So I started walking and I hadn't walked maybe ten 86 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,199 yards at the most, and up on top of this ridge, I hear 87 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:44,000 something walking, so I stopped. Well, I stopped, and they hear 88 00:06:44,199 --> 00:06:48,560 one, maybe two steps, and then stopped. So I'm looking trying to 89 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:55,600 see something moving or you know, and nothing. You know. My first 90 00:06:55,639 --> 00:06:57,600 thought went, you know, there's a deer up on the ridge. And 91 00:06:57,639 --> 00:07:00,879 I startled it and you know, yeah, but you know, I see 92 00:07:00,959 --> 00:07:05,839 nothing. So I stand there, probably got a minute or so looking at 93 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:10,040 seeing things. So I start walking again. Well, the instant I start 94 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:15,199 walking, I hear footsteps up on top sounded like on top of this ridge. 95 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:20,399 And this ridge probably would have been twenty five yards probably maybe thirty at 96 00:07:20,399 --> 00:07:27,439 the most to my right in the hillside on the way up, very little 97 00:07:27,439 --> 00:07:31,040 trees snut. You know, they had logged it at one point and logged 98 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:36,120 it down, probably not a little ten yards from the creek, so you 99 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:41,480 know where they had logged whenever that was still didn't have many trees on it. 100 00:07:41,519 --> 00:07:45,199 So I could see pretty much the old hillside. And this is early 101 00:07:45,279 --> 00:07:47,959 December. You said, I guess most of the leaves were off the trees 102 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,680 and everything. Oh yeah, yeah, there was you know, there were 103 00:07:51,759 --> 00:07:55,079 leaves on the ground, you know that kind of thing, so I could 104 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,480 what I was here, and I was here and crunching in waves, and 105 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,000 it was pretty dry, so I could hear it and it didn't have any 106 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,759 problem here at whatever I was here, it sounded pretty large. So anyway, 107 00:08:05,759 --> 00:08:11,560 I'm start walking again. In the instant I started walking, almost matching 108 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,560 my footsteps, I hear something else walk, you know, I hear it 109 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:22,439 again. So I walked maybe ten yards and I stop again and I hear 110 00:08:22,519 --> 00:08:26,240 one footstep I've dressed up, and it stopped. And you know, I'm 111 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,879 thinking, Okay, this doesn't sound like a deer. It sounds way too 112 00:08:30,959 --> 00:08:35,679 heavy for a deer. And whatever I'm hearing sounds like it's walking on two 113 00:08:35,759 --> 00:08:39,120 legs. So I'm looking, you know, I said, I don't see 114 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:45,919 anything. Well it's it's beginning to creep me out again, and something's following 115 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:52,559 me out here. So now let me add I have seen in those woods 116 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,600 several kyo to several bobcats. There was a lot of them out there, 117 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:03,559 and you know, codies have been known to follow people, right, and 118 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,200 so you know, my mind goes there and I think, you know what 119 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:13,200 I'm hearing's too big. You can tell, you know, Cody, you 120 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,799 know, not making a whole lot of noise. You can still hear him. 121 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,240 But whatever, it's here and sounded to be a whole lot larger than 122 00:09:20,279 --> 00:09:22,320 that. And it was going in the same direction as you, like, 123 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,879 paralleling you up on the ridge. Oh yeah, right, it was parallel 124 00:09:26,039 --> 00:09:31,240 paralleling me, all right. Yeah. So I began to walk again, 125 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,399 and once again, the instant I start walking, I hear footsteps. So 126 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,039 I walk, you know, and while I'm walking, I'm looking, you 127 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:45,039 know, I'm looking up the hill, looking on the whole hillside, looking 128 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:50,320 on the ridge, and I don't see anything, no movement whatsoever. I 129 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,919 walked probably out on the thirty yards maybe this time, and I stop again. 130 00:09:54,200 --> 00:10:01,639 Same thing here, one footstep and stop. And you know, after 131 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,320 a few times, I'm starting to think, you know, what is this. 132 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:11,320 It's starting to kind of really really creep me out. Yeah, And 133 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,159 and I'm you know, so I start scanning hill, start looking on the 134 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,720 on the you know, the region, and it still I could see nothing. 135 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,720 So I stand there maybe a couple of minutes and you know, still 136 00:10:22,759 --> 00:10:26,879 nothing. Let's start walking again. Anyway, you know this happened pretty much 137 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:31,159 all the way out, and like say, it was you know, three 138 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,559 quarters it was at least three quarters of a mile back there. So you 139 00:10:35,639 --> 00:10:39,600 know, walking, stopping, walk and stopping. It's gonna take a little 140 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,200 while. I know it was a long time ago, but do you remember 141 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:50,399 whenever that was going on, do you remember hearing any other wildlife like birds 142 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:54,080 or squirrels alerting or anything like that. Oh no, no, No, 143 00:10:54,159 --> 00:10:58,480 it was still did still dead still, I mean nothing. Yeah, that'd 144 00:10:58,519 --> 00:11:03,559 be creepy, which is which is really unusual because even you know, even 145 00:11:03,639 --> 00:11:05,039 like on the walk in and out, I would see squirrels, birds, 146 00:11:05,159 --> 00:11:09,159 whatever, but I mean nothing, and I could know when I was stopping 147 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,960 it would stop. You know, I didn't hear anything. Dead silence and 148 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:18,720 still pretty good day light out. Oh yeah, yeah it was. Yeah, 149 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:24,399 I want to guess probably by the time I started walking out was maybe 150 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:28,679 four o'clock in the afternoon. Okay, that's a guess because I really don't 151 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,279 remember, but it was. It was late afternoon, but it was still 152 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:35,759 a good way from you know, getting dark. So you know, I 153 00:11:35,799 --> 00:11:37,519 started walking again, and you know, every time I walk, I'm hearing 154 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,200 this thing. Well, after a few times I stopping and starting and hearing 155 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,679 this thing. I noticed that it sounds like it's coming off the ridge and 156 00:11:45,759 --> 00:11:50,720 kind of angling towards me. So, you know, at one point I 157 00:11:50,799 --> 00:11:54,960 stopping it. When I hear it, it sounds like as I'm walking, 158 00:11:54,000 --> 00:12:00,919 it's about halfway between me and the ridge now, which would put it fifteen 159 00:12:01,039 --> 00:12:03,480 yards from me, maybe twenty yards at the very most. Pretty close. 160 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:09,039 It was close, yeah, I mean I could from the sound of it. 161 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,559 Anyway, you know, like I said, and I'm still, I 162 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:13,679 see nothing, and there's very few like I said, there's very few trees 163 00:12:15,919 --> 00:12:22,200 on this hillside. So anyway, I keep walking, stopping, walking, 164 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,480 stopping in every time, same thing, one maybe two steps a couple times. 165 00:12:26,519 --> 00:12:28,600 I think I heard two steps and then stopped. Now I have no 166 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:35,159 idea how many times I stopped, but you know, several times, because 167 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:37,519 you know, on the way up, well, I got finally got to 168 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:43,919 where I could make out through the through the trees to my right, you 169 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,960 know, the drops off to the creek and it starts going back up a 170 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:50,879 hill, and my uncle's house was on side of another hill on the other 171 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:56,440 side of the creek. I finally get to where I could see his house, 172 00:12:56,399 --> 00:13:00,480 you know, little glimpses of it through the trees on the underside. 173 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:07,639 Says it wasn't that far from his house. And I stopped, and you 174 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,440 know, mind you every time just saying whatever it was, it sounds like 175 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,159 it's kind of, you know, getting closer to me, just so be 176 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:20,440 angling towards me off off the hill. So anyway, I get, I 177 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,039 get to where I can see his house a little bit through the trees, 178 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,639 and stop again, you know, the same thing. A couple of steps. 179 00:13:28,519 --> 00:13:33,039 When I start walking again, Well this time I walk probably pretty good 180 00:13:33,039 --> 00:13:39,799 ways, and and I stopped, and again it stopped. Well, this 181 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,080 time, now I can see my uncle's house through the trees pretty good. 182 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:50,960 By this point to my left, I hear something splashing the creek and run 183 00:13:50,039 --> 00:13:54,240 up the hill toward me. Well, of course I freak out, you 184 00:13:54,320 --> 00:14:00,840 know, you know, and as I raised my rifle and pointed to whatever 185 00:14:00,879 --> 00:14:05,480 this was, running up the hill and still trying to you know, I'm 186 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,559 looking that way and still trying to look, you know, back to the 187 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:09,919 right to see if I could see whatever this other thing was, well, 188 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:16,279 probably about ten yards in front of him on this little what used to be 189 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:22,799 a log road. My uncle had a Golden Retriever and he would often meet 190 00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:26,240 me coming out of the woods. Well, that's what it was. That's 191 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,440 what I heard, splashing the creek, come run until always amazing me because 192 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:33,200 I never understood, you know, how does he know I'm here? You 193 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,799 know, because you know I'm walking quiet. But this dog would almost every 194 00:14:35,799 --> 00:14:39,080 time, you know, meet me. Well, of course I wouldn't think 195 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,879 anything about that at this point because I'm being paced out. So anyway, 196 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,519 he jumps out in the road and he was wagging his tail, and he 197 00:14:46,559 --> 00:14:50,360 comes kind of trotting up to me, wagging his tail. He gets about 198 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:56,320 halfway to me and he just instantly freezes us, and his hair bristles up, 199 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:03,120 ears laid back, and he starts growling. And he stood there for 200 00:15:03,159 --> 00:15:07,879 a second or two, and he instantly turned around and bolted back to the 201 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:13,000 house. And when he turned a rand, whatever this thing was that had 202 00:15:13,039 --> 00:15:22,279 followed me out and started screaming and taking a time, man, take your 203 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:28,960 time. Yeah, when I hadn't talked about this in a long time. 204 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,639 When when this thing started screaming, it sounded like it was right on me 205 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,080 now, you know, And again, you know, as soon as it 206 00:15:39,159 --> 00:15:45,600 started, you know, natural reaction. I'm turning my head to look and 207 00:15:46,039 --> 00:15:50,840 I can't see anything, nothing, And this is so loud that I could 208 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:56,639 feel it. It's almost like you could feel it hitting you in the chest. 209 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,600 I think I mentioned this in the email, and this makes sound weird, 210 00:16:02,679 --> 00:16:04,240 but it was almost like I could feel my hair. I had pretty 211 00:16:04,279 --> 00:16:10,120 long hair back then. I could almost feel my hair blowing back. I 212 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:17,279 know that sounds ridiculous, but it probably wasn't. But just that loud, 213 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,840 unbelievable. I've never heard anything that close that loud as far as being in 214 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:26,960 the woods. Whenever it let out that screen right, what were you thinking? 215 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:34,279 Could you even process what was happening? No? The only thing I 216 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:40,399 knew, I was probably more afraid than I have ever in you know guys. 217 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:42,320 Things supposed to say things like that, the big strong hunter guy, 218 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:45,360 you know, and I supposed to say things like that. But I was 219 00:16:45,399 --> 00:16:49,120 probably more afraid, probably to it. I was more afraid than I ever 220 00:16:49,159 --> 00:16:53,720 had been in my life. And that's all I needed. I mean, 221 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:59,399 you're armed, but you don't see anything. No, and I'm you know, 222 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:06,720 I'm looking to where I I'm looking where the sounds coming from and there 223 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:08,880 was really no doubt where it was coming from, and it could not have 224 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:14,960 been more than fifteen yards from me. And I saw absolutely nothing, no 225 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,799 movement, no nothing, And I'm I mean, I can't move. I'm 226 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:23,839 froze and I'm standing there with a two seventy of my hand. Never once 227 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,160 but you know, I shouldered it when the dog came running. Appealed to 228 00:17:29,279 --> 00:17:36,160 me, but it never once entered my mind, you know, to raise, 229 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:41,079 to raise my rifle toward it. I just wasn't very rifle might as 230 00:17:41,079 --> 00:17:44,799 well not even been there. Yeah, so I don't know. I have 231 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,720 no idea how long I stood there. You know, it seemed like an 232 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:53,039 eternity to me. But as froze could move, tried to move my feet, 233 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,599 couldn't move, could move my arms. Nothing. I mean, I 234 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,400 was just frozen. Like I say, I have no idea how long I 235 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:06,000 stood there in this scream just kept going. I don't remember it stopping. 236 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:15,200 It just kept going. Finally I got one foot and just sounds crazy, 237 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:21,240 I know, I got a foot. The moves and I thought, okay, 238 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,960 I can get out of there. So I knew you not to run. 239 00:18:25,279 --> 00:18:29,400 Yeah, you know, I knew from a kid. You know, 240 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,759 if if there's a predator and you take off run and it's gonna it's gonna, 241 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,480 you know, make the predator instinct in this animal give chase, and 242 00:18:37,519 --> 00:18:41,680 they're gonna chase you. So I knew you not to run. I wanted 243 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:48,839 to anyway, So I started walking, and best I could tell when I 244 00:18:48,880 --> 00:19:00,960 first started whatever, it was screaming, and it's still screaming. Sorry, 245 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:04,279 no need to apologize. Man, this is a lot. This is a 246 00:19:04,279 --> 00:19:11,839 lot, you know. I start walking and I'm still looking. You know, 247 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,079 I'm not looking where I'm going. I'm looking where this thing screaming from, 248 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:22,359 and you know, still there's nothing there. Nothing. So anyway, 249 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,599 I managed to make it to the creek and it's still screaming at me. 250 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:27,839 Now, the creek's not that far from where, you know, where this 251 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:33,880 happened, maybe another ten fifteen yards to my left, so I'm not that 252 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:40,519 far from it. And it's not a very big creek. It's probably you 253 00:19:40,599 --> 00:19:45,240 know, six foot wide and maybe you know, maybe a foot deep at 254 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,960 the most, but where I use across the you know, ankle deep at 255 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,880 the most. Anyway, So I get to the creek and I started across 256 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:59,400 it. But this thing's still screaming. The second at my foot hit the 257 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,440 other side of the creek, it stopped dead silence. I didn't hear anything 258 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:10,119 walking off, didn't hear you know, nothing, It's dead silent, and 259 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,920 it stopped. Well, you know, I kind of turned around. No 260 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,920 I'm still walking, but I kind of turned around and looked, you know, 261 00:20:21,079 --> 00:20:26,839 still see nothing, see no movement, no anything, And finally make 262 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,839 my way back to my truck and back up and I leave. There was 263 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:36,480 a guy that hunted with me a lot, and actually hunted moved me back 264 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,359 there quite a bit. So I got home, of course, you know, 265 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,839 back into them cell phones or anything. I got home, I called 266 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:48,440 him and I told him what happened, and he, you know, laughed 267 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,000 at me, kyled He followed you out of the woods and screamed at you. 268 00:20:51,039 --> 00:20:57,000 And you know, of course I put it away after that, because 269 00:20:57,039 --> 00:21:03,920 I know there's no way what I heard, little coy you know, yeah, 270 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,119 I know, you know, like I had seen several bobcats back there 271 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,720 before, and pretty large ones, but there's no way a cat did that. 272 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:21,119 You know, it may have stopped in from the time it started to 273 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,160 the time I crossed the creek, and I honestly don't have any idea how 274 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,400 long that was. It may have stopped, but if it did, I 275 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,960 don't remember it. And it was one to me. It was just like 276 00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:38,240 one continuous, long, loud scream. And when I say scream, it's 277 00:21:38,279 --> 00:21:44,720 what it sounded like. I mean, it wasn't It wasn't a roar. 278 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,880 It wasn't, you know, a growl. It was a scream like a 279 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,440 person. It started with at the very start of it. It's exactly what 280 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,240 it sounded like. It almost sounded like you, I know when I say 281 00:21:56,279 --> 00:21:57,559 this. But you know, people can't think, well, that's a cat, 282 00:21:57,599 --> 00:22:03,279 because cats can sound like I'm screaming. But I assure you just was 283 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,480 no cat. But when it first started, that's the first thing that popped 284 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,240 in my head. There's as sounded like a woman screaming. But it just 285 00:22:11,319 --> 00:22:21,440 got louder and deeper. It was no cat. There's no way anyway. 286 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:30,440 That's that's the short of it. I guess, you know. That's the 287 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,480 only you know what I told you. When I got home, I called 288 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:34,920 my buddy that a hundred wits and told him, and you know, he 289 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,519 kind of laughed. I you kyo, he followed you out of the woods. 290 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:44,440 Well, you know, so I just put it away. And a 291 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:52,559 few years ago I discovered podcast and started listening to some big foot sasquatch podcast 292 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,640 and you know, kind of brought it back to mind. And I don't 293 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,160 know that's what it was, you know. Like I say, I I 294 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,720 didn't see anything. And honestly, I'm glad I didn't see it. Anything 295 00:23:03,759 --> 00:23:07,920 that sound like that, I don't want to see. Did you ever return 296 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:15,279 to that location? I did a few times. I never went back alone. 297 00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:18,440 My buddy that I called and told about it, you know, him, 298 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,480 and I went back there a few times. Never went back. As 299 00:23:22,519 --> 00:23:26,519 far as my stand, to my knowledge, it's probably still there because I 300 00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:30,720 never went back got it, what's left of it is probably still there. 301 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,559 As should say, I never, I never went back got it. There. 302 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:42,519 Never any more incidents after that or anything, not as no, not 303 00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:49,799 as far as that goes. Now, now, I did. I did 304 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,759 at one point my wife and my daughter and I went camping out there. 305 00:23:56,839 --> 00:23:59,720 Now, when I say out there, it was just on the very edge 306 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,319 of property right there at the creek and where we were, you know, 307 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,559 you could see my uncle's house. You could also see another house across the 308 00:24:07,599 --> 00:24:11,160 creek. But I was a little bit nervous, to say the least. 309 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,640 But nothing happened. Yeah, you know, it was what's really odd to 310 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,279 me. It was, like I said, we had hunted, you know, 311 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,440 myself and my buddy and me alone. You know, I used to 312 00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:30,599 hunt that a lot, and nothing nothing like that ever happened. So you 313 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,960 know, that really didn't make a whole lot of sense to me either. 314 00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:38,839 And like obviously your uncle and nobody ever mentioned anything. No, And I 315 00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:44,799 asked him if you had ever heard anything or see anything strange, you know, 316 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:48,799 and he, of course he said no. If he had, he 317 00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:56,680 didn't tell me. Yeah. Now I did not see this, But you 318 00:24:56,799 --> 00:25:00,359 asked if you know any other incidents since that happened to me. There was 319 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,599 a couple of things that happened to some other people. They didn't see nothing 320 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:11,480 like that, but there was they saw lights across the road from where this 321 00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:18,079 property starts. There was there was a house and the guy. Again I 322 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,160 did not see this, so this is second hand, right, But the 323 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,279 guy woke up one night and there was a ball of light in his front 324 00:25:26,319 --> 00:25:30,960 yard. And now he this he had a huge, huge yard and it 325 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,640 was surrounded by a pasture. Guy had horses and he had you know, 326 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,960 it's a big pasture. And he woke up in the middle of the night 327 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,839 and saw this ball of light in his front yard. So he called the 328 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:48,039 police and they came out there. And this was probably maybe a month or 329 00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:53,720 two after that happened to me. The police showed up, was one guy, 330 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,279 and he pulled up in the driveway and it was still there, hadn't 331 00:25:57,319 --> 00:26:03,559 moved, and he called for back up. Little another guy, another police 332 00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:07,839 showed up, and they got out started walking toward it, and when they 333 00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:12,160 did, it started kind of floating off in the pasture. They walked to 334 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,119 the pasture fence and sit there and watched it, and it went across the 335 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,720 pasture back to the woods and disappeared in the woods. Wow. Yeah, 336 00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:27,319 now I didn't see that, right. But the police officer that that happened 337 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:33,440 to you, he actually told me about it, so and I didn't He 338 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,359 had no reason to lie about it. And I never mentioned anything about what 339 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,799 happened to me or anything else out there. But yeah, there was some 340 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,039 other strange things happened on that property, in that uncle's house and actually where 341 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:47,720 I worked was on that property, but was on the very edge of that 342 00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:52,279 property, and there was some strange things happened in the building that I worked, 343 00:26:52,880 --> 00:27:00,519 like haunting type stuff. Yeah, and uh well yeah, yeah, 344 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:04,680 things flying off the shelf, equipment being turned on when nobody's around it, 345 00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:11,319 lights turning off and on, that kind of thing. Yeah, that stuff 346 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,559 never bothered me. I mean, that's kind of happened in and around me 347 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:21,799 for you know, pretty good while better part of my life. Yeah, 348 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,440 and that never really bothered me. It's you know, it's interested me and 349 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,319 never really you know. There was one time that I was I was there 350 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,960 working at night. I was there by myself, and this was probably it 351 00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:37,359 was pretty late, I don't know, midnight or so we'll say. And 352 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,400 I'm sitting there working and it's you know, they got music playing, and 353 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,880 something just pounded on the back door. Now that the back of this building 354 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,720 where I worked was woods, it was like it was on it was on 355 00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:52,440 the edge of the property where this other happened. And something just pounded on 356 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,720 the back door. By mean pound. It sound like the door has come 357 00:27:56,759 --> 00:28:00,839 off changes you know that that's pretty interesting. And this was after this was 358 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:07,920 after the screen huh. Yeah, I don't really remember how long after. 359 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,480 It wasn't very long afterwards, but it was. It was a little bit 360 00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:15,960 after him. But of course I got up and walked out and nothing was 361 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,759 there. As that sounds pretty dull, sometiwn on your back door and you're 362 00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:22,759 gonna get up and go out in the door in the middle of the night, 363 00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:26,680 So let's stare. That's what I did. So you mentioned that your 364 00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:34,599 wife had experienced some things. Yeah, you know, she has seen shadow 365 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,880 figures in our house. I haven't seen it. She has, and she 366 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,960 doesn't really believe in a lot of that stuff, but but she's seen the 367 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,559 shadow figures. But she's just out on the whole big foot thing. Oh 368 00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:55,119 yeah, yeah, she thinks I'm nuts. Any idea, like, you 369 00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:59,240 know, why is that? Why are some people willing to, you know, 370 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,240 just finely accept certain things, but then whenever it comes to bigfoot, 371 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,640 they're just no, there's no way. I don't know, I have no 372 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:11,920 idea. I don't know. It's it's a mystery to me, you know. 373 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:18,880 I mean I mentioned the screen a while back. I got online. 374 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,519 I thought, well, you know, almostly if I can't find anything that 375 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:29,400 sounds like it, and I really couldn't find anything that sounded like what I 376 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,799 heard. I heard and I went back and try to find it again and 377 00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:38,079 I couldn't, and I should have bookmarked it or something, but I didn't. 378 00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:44,279 I did find something at one point that sounded similar. Do you remember 379 00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:48,279 what it was like, what it was a recording of or was it just 380 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,880 unknown? Well? It was it was it was a recording of something unknown, 381 00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:56,599 Okay, And I don't remember you know where it was from or you 382 00:29:56,599 --> 00:30:00,599 know where I found it. I should, I say, I should have 383 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,559 book marked it, and it did part of the reason that I think your 384 00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:10,200 story is so important. It's not so much there. We talked a little 385 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:15,039 bit about this before we started recording. You had mentioned and we won't go 386 00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:18,839 into any names or anything, but you had mentioned that you had reached out 387 00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:26,200 to a couple of other podcasts and people didn't have a very warm reception of 388 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:33,400 your story. No, the ones that I only had one answer an email. 389 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,119 The other ones, you know, I never heard anything back. One 390 00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:41,640 of them. I think I emailed a couple of times, but it was 391 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:47,200 like, Okay, this doesn't fit this don't fit our box, so right, 392 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:48,920 you know, you know what I'm saying that makes sense, I mean, 393 00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:53,279 because you know, a lot of it is, well, this guy 394 00:30:53,319 --> 00:31:00,519 didn't really see anything, you know, But to me, that's kind of 395 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:04,599 the point is you should have seen something. I should have seen something as 396 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,000 close as it was, you know, I mean, I saw no movement, 397 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,279 no nothing. You know. I've heard, you know, different people's 398 00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:15,559 story about they saw a big foot, cloak or you know whatever. I 399 00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:18,079 don't know what I think about that. I have no idea what I think 400 00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:22,920 about that. I don't know what to think about that, right, not 401 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,640 saying it. I don't believe it, you know, who's to say. 402 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:33,480 But you know when they say that, they mentioned something like things being pixelated, 403 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,519 you know, like you know, they could see movement, but it's 404 00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:41,319 more of a pixelation they were seeing. And I saw nothing, you know, 405 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:48,799 absolutely nothing, no leaves moving, nothing, Nope, not a thing. 406 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,119 You see. That's the port when I when I when I get to 407 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:57,200 that point, you know, you know, I'm told, well, here's 408 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,279 why that can't happen. Oh, okay, that might be why I can't 409 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:06,359 happen. But I promise it happened, you know, I'm why would I 410 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,279 make this up? I mean, just hearing the story it obviously happened. 411 00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:15,039 Hearing the emotion in your voice as you're reliving those events, it obviously happened. 412 00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:22,960 And God blessed that Golden retriever, you know, the Golden Retriever at 413 00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:27,160 least since whatever was there as well, So you do kind of have a 414 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,799 witness, you know. I think back on that. You know, when 415 00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:35,400 I first saw the dog, it was very much relief. You know, 416 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,079 I was so related to see that, see that dog. When I finally 417 00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:42,160 figured out, you know, it was the dog coming. Yeah, but 418 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,920 when I think took off, I almost got mad at him. You can 419 00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:46,599 leave me out, You can leave me out here like that, you know, 420 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:52,240 thanks a lot man's best friend. Yeah, it might be my uncle's 421 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,119 best friend, but you're obviously not mine, right, Yeah, But I 422 00:32:55,160 --> 00:33:00,119 mean even the dog's reaction, oh yeah, you know, the bristling of 423 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:07,000 the hair and the growley and everything. Yeah, you know, at when 424 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,880 he stopped whatever this was, I mean there was no sound, you know, 425 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,680 there was no footsteps, there was nothing, no sound, you know, 426 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,960 and I couldn't see it. Maybe he could, I don't know. 427 00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:22,359 Did he look towards where you thought it was at? Oh? Yeah he 428 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,000 did. Yes, he was looking dead at it. When he when he 429 00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:30,440 stopped and froze, his head instantly turned and was looking and from where you 430 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,640 were standing, just kind of following the angle of where he was looking. 431 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,640 I mean, it's not up on the ridge. It's down low by you. 432 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:45,240 I know, it's it's it's it's down Yeah, he looked. He 433 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:51,240 looked like he was looking, you know, just to my right, like 434 00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:54,480 you know, right there. No, I couldn't tell you, you know, 435 00:33:54,519 --> 00:33:59,759 an angle or you know whatever, But I'm just saying he wasn't looking 436 00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:04,920 off in the distance. Oh no, No, he was not looking very 437 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,199 far to my right, but he was definitely looking. I mean he was 438 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:13,280 like, you know, honed in on it and didn't want nothing to do 439 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,800 with whatever it was. You know, he didn't want a part of it. 440 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,599 And I mean he you know, growled, showed teas for a second 441 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:22,920 or two, and took his tale and got out of there a lot faster 442 00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:30,719 than he came up there. Yeah, that's so. I mean, after 443 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,159 all these years, what conclusion have you reached? I mean, I know 444 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,800 you started listening to Bigfoot podcast, but was that because of this event? 445 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:45,360 Did you ever reach a conclusion that that might have been what it was at 446 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:51,679 some point. Yeah, and honestly that's yeah, I'm sure that's why I 447 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,679 started listening. And at the time, you know, when it happened, 448 00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,960 you know, that wasn't even on my radar, you know, you know 449 00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:04,840 i'd heard about it and all this kind of stuff, of course everybody has, 450 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,360 but you know I didn't sure, just you know, something I never 451 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:14,519 thought of, And when it happened, I didn't think of that all I 452 00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:17,920 knew, you know, what the thing was. I didn't want no part 453 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,480 of it. So where are you at now with all of it? Are 454 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:28,000 you comfortable going out into the woods or no? No, well I don't. 455 00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:34,159 I don't hunt anymore. I quit on because of that event. Yeah. 456 00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:37,440 Yeah, I hate to say it too, because you know, like 457 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,119 I said, I loved it, and I absolutely loved it. I would, 458 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,000 you know, go go sit and I stand for you know, until 459 00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:45,800 I got dark. You know, I'm usually walking out in the dark with 460 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:53,199 a flashlight, and you know, wasn't so much. I just like being 461 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:58,159 out there, loved it, you know what. It didn't matter to me 462 00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:01,159 if I took anything or not. I just like being out there. Yeah, 463 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,440 that saddens me to hear it. But you certainly aren't the only hunter 464 00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:13,039 that that's ever happened to, or outdoors person or hiker or anything. I 465 00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:20,199 mean, it's a shame, but I mean that's that's your own thing to 466 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:25,320 deal with, and you got to deal with it how you can. Yeah, 467 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,199 a couple not a year or so ago, my wife and I went 468 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,320 to this place that they have cabins that's out in the woods and they have 469 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,840 cabins and hiking trails and they're setting other and so we went for the weekend 470 00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:42,760 and you know, we're doing the hiking trails and walking through the woods and 471 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,280 all this stuff, and the whole time, you know, that's in my 472 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,719 mind and I'm listening, you know. Yeah, I didn't say I never 473 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,679 told her that. She didn't know, but the whole time, you know, 474 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:59,480 I'm on guard for that. I don't know if it would help at 475 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:05,039 all, but just something to point out. I mean, if this thing 476 00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:09,639 had wanted to harm you, it could have. Yeah, I've definitely thought 477 00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:15,880 about that. Definitely thought about that. Oh, they could have got many 478 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,400 point it wanted to There's no doubt in my mind whatever it was. You 479 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,960 know, like I say, I don't I won't sit here and say it. 480 00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:25,840 You know, I won't make an attempt at what it was because I 481 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,920 have no idea, right right, no no idea. But I have heard 482 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,800 similar stories, but people being paced out of the whoops, very similar to 483 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,559 this. It's actually heard one last night, you know, and I think 484 00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:43,440 it was on your show. Yeah, I've talked to several people. I've 485 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,519 definitely been in situations where you know, we were paced out. I can't 486 00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:52,960 tell you the number of people that did exactly what you did, where they 487 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:58,480 would stop walking here, the one or two steps afterwards, dead quiet, 488 00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:02,400 start again, and then it would art back up again. Right. The 489 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:07,079 difference being and this, you know, I won't say it doesn't bother me, 490 00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:09,880 because it does. But the difference being, I don't know that I've 491 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:15,119 ever heard another one where they, you know, nothing was seen. Well, 492 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:21,960 I know somebody, I know somebody as a matter of fact, you 493 00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:30,559 know somebody good and this thing, you know, the similarities are pretty uncanny, 494 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:37,159 very similar type situation. He was hiking instead of hunting, and this 495 00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:39,800 thing was pacing on. He should have seen it, but he couldn't. 496 00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:46,920 I think he may have written it off as possibly just the cover that it 497 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,159 was in was too thick for him to see it. But you know, 498 00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:53,039 he struggled with that. I know him personally, he's one of my friends, 499 00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:57,960 and he struggled with that a lot because he still thinks even with the 500 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,559 cover, he should have been able to see it, should seen movement at 501 00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:06,719 leaders. Yeah, and it was another situation where all this was going on 502 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:14,119 and then he crossed a creek and it stopped immediately once he gone no, 503 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:22,880 not at all. So in both both of those scenarios, I think whatever 504 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,360 it was, again, nothing was seen, so we don't know. But 505 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,880 whatever it was, I think just wanted to move you out of its area. 506 00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:34,400 And it marked that creek because it's territory and on the other side of 507 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,719 the creek belonged to your uncle or whoever, and it just wanted you out 508 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,199 of there. That makes sense. Well, I'm glad to know that. 509 00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:45,800 It makes me feel a little bit better. And I gotta take I gotta 510 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:52,400 say, saying this out loud to somebody else that actually doesn't think I'm nuts 511 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:58,880 helps immensely. You're not not at all, even after all this time. 512 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,119 I don't I think anybody listening, you know, to your story and hearing 513 00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:07,960 you tell it, we'll think you're nuts. I don't think so at all. 514 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:14,599 It's it's definitely a release too well good noo closet like this, yeah 515 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:21,320 good. I mean it helps me to hear stories from people, just you 516 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,440 know, because of my own experiences and dealing with them. And you know, 517 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:30,719 I've got a wife too, who well, I believe you saw something 518 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,960 or you believe you saw something, you know, but that that's as far 519 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,400 as she'll go with it. And that's my wife that knows me better than 520 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:42,239 anybody. You know, other people listening to it. You know, if 521 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,320 somebody's experienced something, I hope it helps them. And the fact of the 522 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:52,320 matter is some of the most traumatizing and scary things we deal with are things 523 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:57,199 that we never actually see that that that doesn't mean it didn't happen or there 524 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,239 wasn't anything there. Yeah, you know, I've heard, Like I said, 525 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:07,360 I've listened to a lot of show with a lot of podcasts and a 526 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,480 lot of questions. One question that asked I've heard to ask a lot. 527 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,719 You know, if somebody has seen one seen something, do you want to 528 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:21,519 see one? Do you want to see one again? And that's like I 529 00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:24,440 didn't see what it was you know that screamed at me, and I didn't 530 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,880 want to see that. In no way I want to see it. Yeah, 531 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,159 and I can't imagine somebody seeing one want to see another one. Now 532 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:37,440 that's just me, but there's a lot of people that go looking for these 533 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,840 things, and every once in a while, one of those people sees one 534 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:46,000 and never goes back. You know. At one point, not too long 535 00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:52,280 ago, you know, I thought, because I actually know somebody, not 536 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:59,159 personally, but I have talked to you that does that, and I thought, 537 00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:05,039 you know, maybe that would help. But I don't know. I 538 00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:12,079 mean, I would suggest, you know, don't let it take away something 539 00:42:12,119 --> 00:42:17,400 you love forever. Yeah, you know, even if it's just taking baby 540 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:24,280 steps going to a park, you know, always going with somebody, do 541 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:30,079 whatever you can to get back out there at a level that you're comfortable at 542 00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:37,639 going to. Yeah, we'll see. But you know I said I don't 543 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,920 hunt anymore. That's not to say, you know, let's say we you 544 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,159 know, we went camping out there one time, like again, it was 545 00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:45,960 on the very edge of this property, you know, right on that creek, 546 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:52,159 on the side of the creek where it stopped. Yeah, and you 547 00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:54,639 know, we went to that place and hiking through the woods and you know 548 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,039 that kind of thing. So it's not like I'm not in the woods at 549 00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:01,719 all. Is the feeling the same that it used to be? I mean, 550 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,719 do you get out there in nature and feel relaxed or our young guard 551 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,519 the whole time? I'm not as relaxed as I used to be. Let's 552 00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:14,719 put it that one. Yeah, and I'm definitely you know, it's in 553 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:22,199 my mind. It's it's it's there. If you had something to say to 554 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,599 somebody else who is listening that had an experience like this, what would you 555 00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:31,880 tell them? You're not crazy, you know, regardless of what somebody says, 556 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:38,280 you know what happened to you. You know, talk about it. 557 00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:44,760 Don't keep it in, you know, just just because one person may laugh 558 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,920 at your tell you're nuts, you know, don't hold it in. It 559 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,239 helps to talk about it. And there's other people out there that's had you 560 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,639 know, like I just found out because you know, as I said, 561 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,880 I've never heard anybody have a story exactly like this, and you know that 562 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,760 you say, you know, well, this happened to a buddy mine, 563 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,760 very similar, you know, even as far as crossing the creek and its 564 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,679 stopping. So you know, that tells me, you know, there's always 565 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:16,039 somebody out there that's had something extremely similar happened to them. Is what's happened 566 00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:22,239 to you? You're not you're you're not You're not alone. And even if 567 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,039 they haven't experienced the same experience, they might have experienced the same emotions, 568 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:30,119 you know, exactly exactly right. And that's what a lot of this is 569 00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:35,440 about. You know, it's about the experience, the encounter the person has. 570 00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:38,000 You know, they were the one that was there, not you, 571 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:43,400 right, So yeah, that's how I approach it, at least. So 572 00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:47,480 that's that's what kind of that's what kind of bothered me. And I'm again 573 00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:52,079 I'm not using any names, but one guy in particular that I contacted that 574 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,960 they had answered me back, you know, he began to tell me how 575 00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:59,800 this could not happen, and I'm like, dude, you weren't there. 576 00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:04,320 You know, you don't have a clue what could happen or what couldn't happen. 577 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,000 Don't tell me you know that can't happen, because it happened, you 578 00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:15,079 know. I mean, in my experience, I can't speak on behalf of 579 00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:22,920 everybody, but in my opinion at least. That's usually whenever you're telling somebody 580 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,039 something that challenges what they want to believe, and it puts them in a 581 00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:30,679 state of fear and unknowing, and they don't want to accept that. Nobody 582 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:35,360 wants to believe that there's an invisible monster out in the woods. That's very 583 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,000 true. We can wrap our head around you know, a big, hairy, 584 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:45,320 you know, primate of some kind that just is misunderstood. But something 585 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:50,599 that's invisible, well, how do we conquer that as a human race? 586 00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:53,960 How that doesn't put us at the top of the food chain anymore? That's 587 00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:58,039 fact. But you know, I don't, I don't. I don't know 588 00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:00,119 you used the word invisible. I don't know that I would go as far 589 00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:05,360 as saying it was invisible, right right, but it but it makes sense 590 00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:08,280 because I couldn't see anything, and it was definitely something there. I mean, 591 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,679 I could feel it when it went, you know. I mean, 592 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:19,639 I won't begin to speculate the the how you know or why you weren't able 593 00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:23,159 to see it, because I don't know. Uh, nobody knows. Maybe 594 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:28,440 it wasn't invisible. I don't know was it invisible? You know, was 595 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,199 it able to do something to your mind to just make you think you couldn't 596 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:36,239 see it. You know that this might sound crazy, but I never really 597 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,199 thought, you know, hey, this thing was invisible. Whatever it was, 598 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:45,239 it was invisible. That may sound weird because I couldn't see it, 599 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,280 but I mean, I know I couldn't see it, but it never really 600 00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:52,920 I don't know, I never used that word to process it, which may 601 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:58,320 sound it may sound strange, not really, because things aren't invisible, you 602 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,079 know. So that's true. That's true. I mean, like, as 603 00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:05,400 you were telling your story, you know, there are some things that even 604 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,199 I can relate to, and one of the main points is your mind trying 605 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:13,639 to process what you're experiencing and trying to figure out what it is, Yeah, 606 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,079 and trying to insert you know, the round peg in the square hole 607 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:22,480 over and over again, you know, the coyote, a bobcat, a 608 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,440 mountain lion. Is it another person out here? What is happening? And 609 00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:30,519 none of them fit? And whenever, none of those things fit in that 610 00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:37,039 endless rolodex in our head. It's hard to process. Man. It's you 611 00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:39,320 know, yeah, I will say this, and it's just I just thought 612 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,960 of this. There was I was talking to a guy. You know, 613 00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:46,760 it's been a couple of years ago, probably maybe longer than that. I 614 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:52,079 was talking to a guy that his parents used to live in that area and 615 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:58,440 he did two years well, when he was a kid. And he just 616 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,519 added the blue and I never mentioned and it still didn't you know, anything 617 00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:07,679 about you know, what happened to me. But he did mention that they 618 00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:12,280 would hear like hows and screams in the woods at night. Huh. That 619 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,960 is all about that. Yeah, But you know, as far as that 620 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,599 conversation went, I never said anything about what happened to me, and he 621 00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:28,480 didn't really elaborate anything other than other than that. But that was probably I 622 00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:30,639 think where they would may have been a mile mile and a half from where 623 00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:35,239 that happened, or from the age from the edge of that property. I 624 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,559 mean, I would consider that a puzzle piece for sure. Yeah, for 625 00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:42,239 sure. Yeah, but that just occurred to me. And you said the 626 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,760 property backed up to state land. Oh yeah, it was just hundreds and 627 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:51,519 thousands of acres of nothing. But you know, woods nothing. You know, 628 00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:58,239 it's a very rural area. You know, small town here. Twenty 629 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,760 miles down the rather day there's another small town you know. I mean, 630 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:07,519 we kind of talked about what information you're comfortable with before we recorded. And 631 00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:10,800 I'll just say this much. This did happen in Alabama, Yes, And 632 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:17,039 I am friends with a lot of people that have told me a lot of 633 00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:22,880 bigfoot stories from Alabama. Really. Yeah, it's a it's a pretty in 634 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,599 the South. It's well known for its big foot activity and a lot of 635 00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:30,960 it's some pretty strange stuff too. Yeah your story. Don't think you're crazy. 636 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,800 I appreciate it. I really, Like I said, I appreciate you 637 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,920 reaching out to me for one and sharing it because I know that's hard to 638 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,960 do, and then to come on the show, like it takes a lot, 639 00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:47,000 man, it takes a lot, and I appreciate it. Well, 640 00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:51,599 I appreciate you having me on. And you know, I said I had 641 00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:54,920 pretty much given up on you know, after reaching out the two pretty different 642 00:49:54,960 --> 00:50:00,199 people, and one contacted me back and telling me he did and I had 643 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:05,679 pretty much given up on you know. Well I'm saying, you know, 644 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:12,440 talking about it, and now no, I found your podcast a couple of 645 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,400 weeks ago, I guess just three weeks ago, and really like it and 646 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:20,400 listen to it quite a bit. Actually, and I don't know. Just 647 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,920 well, I'll give you just got an email and see what happens. Yeah, 648 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,360 if nothing else, he has a cool name. That's the fact, 649 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:35,519 you know it. Oh yeah, all right, Matt. Well, thanks 650 00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:37,599 again for coming on and sharing your story. I appreciate it, and I'm 651 00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:42,000 sure the listeners do as well. Well. Thank you so much for having 652 00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:45,880 me. And if you've had an encounter with something you can't explain, send 653 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,719 me an email at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check out the website 654 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,119 Bigfoot Crossroads dot com. You can find links to social media, a contact 655 00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:58,719 for him to reach me directly, links to merchandise, and past episodes, 656 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,960 all in one place. And until next time, I remember, there's something 657 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:31,559 in the woods.