1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:07,400 Well off of a weekend that has seen Jose Ramirez get back into at least 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,439 the consciousness at one hundred and forty pounds with a win my decision in the 3 00:00:11,439 --> 00:00:14,199 Golden Boy main event in Fresno, California. It is seen. Hey, 4 00:00:14,839 --> 00:00:19,600 it didn't last long again. Virgil Ortiz a first round knockout in the co 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,039 feature fight on the Golden Boys Show. Where does that leave him? It 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,480 leaves him in a great spot. Looks like Tim Zoo is up next for 7 00:00:25,559 --> 00:00:29,399 him. We're ready to recap those We're ready to get into a little more 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,320 with Brandon Figaroa. You're gonna hear from him in a little bit. It's 9 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:35,320 all part of the Fight Freaks Unite recap podcast off the weekend, and we're 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,280 looking ahead to the Canelo Alvarez fight week which Brandon Figaroa is part of. 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,960 You're gonna hear him with the Dan Rayfield. I'm merely TJ Reeve speaking of 12 00:00:43,039 --> 00:00:46,439 Dan Rayfield. Here. He is our insider. Fight Freaks Unite is his 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,960 substack, Big Fight Weekend dot Com. How was the weekend? Everything good? 14 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:54,039 You're ready to figuratively and literally turn your attention to Canelo and head west 15 00:00:54,079 --> 00:00:57,159 to Las Vegas later this week. How are things most definitely, I mean 16 00:00:57,159 --> 00:01:00,240 it was a better than expected fight. We'll talk ab out on Saturday night, 17 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:04,560 a very expected result in the Virgil Ortiz fight, which we'll talk about, 18 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:07,560 and uh yeah, I'm getting ready to head to Vegas. It's always, 19 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,680 uh, you know, when when the when the biggest star in the 20 00:01:10,719 --> 00:01:14,239 sport fights. And it doesn't matter if we're talking about in today's day where 21 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:18,040 it's Canelo Alvarez or a few years ago when it would be the days when 22 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,359 Manny Packet or Floyd Mayweather would be in the ring, or before that, 23 00:01:21,799 --> 00:01:23,680 you know, it was when Oscar de la Hoya was fighting, or it 24 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:27,680 was when there was you know, Mike Tyson. You know, that's like 25 00:01:27,719 --> 00:01:32,000 our super Bowl in our sport, and it's always a great, great fun 26 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:34,239 to go cover those fights and see the big events and see the people and 27 00:01:34,239 --> 00:01:38,519 see your media colleagues you haven't seen in a while, and and just be 28 00:01:38,599 --> 00:01:42,439 around everything that's very big and very exciting all week long. Yeah, no 29 00:01:42,519 --> 00:01:47,680 doubt. You were out there for Canelo's win over Jamal or Jamel Charlo. 30 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,319 Jamel. I got to keep my Charlo straight. Jamel Charlo back in the 31 00:01:49,359 --> 00:01:52,840 fall. So now you'll be back there for this bout with Jimi Munggee and 32 00:01:52,879 --> 00:01:57,000 again Brandon Figarola on the car defending the WBC Interim featherweight title. You'll hear 33 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,239 from him in a few moments. Make make sure you rate us and review 34 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:05,079 us again. We are battling on here. We come your way with a 35 00:02:05,079 --> 00:02:08,280 preview going into the weekend Thursday night into Friday, and this is the recap 36 00:02:08,319 --> 00:02:13,400 pod, the Fight Freaks to Night recap coming off the weekend Sunday night into 37 00:02:13,479 --> 00:02:17,360 Monday. Speaking of the recap mode, all right, Jose Ramirez does get 38 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,719 the win. There was a moment, oh you love the adjectives. There 39 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:28,080 was a moment of trepidation, wasn't there where he got shook by Rancis Bartholomey. 40 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,919 But by and large he controlled the fight after that and gets the decision 41 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,080 win. All right, your thoughts on the main event of the Golden Boys 42 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,199 show as we get into that card. Trepidation is a good word. That's 43 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:39,240 like, as my mom would say, that's like a fifty cent word right 44 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,199 there. We'll take that. I'll take that with my Memphis education, thank 45 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,599 you. Yeah, listen, I mean going into the fight. I didn't 46 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:50,520 have very high expectations for it, and it's always nice when expectations are exceeded. 47 00:02:51,159 --> 00:02:53,039 Too often in boxing we have expectations that are not lived up to, 48 00:02:53,199 --> 00:02:58,879 or low expectations are met. In this particular instance, Ramirez m Bartheloni put 49 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,919 on a fight that was a lot better than I thought it might be, 50 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,199 So that was good to see. It was definitely an entertaining fight, one 51 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:07,719 sided in terms of the scoring and and uh correctly one sided in terms of 52 00:03:07,759 --> 00:03:10,879 the scoring, but a good fight. Like you said, Barthellamy, you 53 00:03:10,879 --> 00:03:14,479 know, he's thirty eight years old, coming off a long way off and 54 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:21,000 just just didn't have that next gear. So once Ramirez kind of took took 55 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,520 him, got control of what was going on. You know, he was 56 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:28,639 always dangerous with the left hand, but as Jose himself said in the interview, 57 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,639 that's all he had. You know, he basically was there to see 58 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,080 if he could get him with the left hand. And Jose is a savvy 59 00:03:34,199 --> 00:03:37,879 enough guy with a good enough chin where it's gonna probably take more than just 60 00:03:37,919 --> 00:03:38,680 one good left hand to get him out of there. You're gonna have to 61 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,199 follow it up or you know, go with a combination or you know, 62 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,400 flo a flurry of punches. So first few rounds it was kind of slow 63 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,919 moving and things were kind of just getting in in the groove. Barthelli was 64 00:03:50,039 --> 00:03:53,479 doing pretty well. They both are moving around, they were swapping some good 65 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:58,039 shots, and like you said, round three, Barthelli cracked him with a 66 00:03:58,039 --> 00:04:01,159 good left hand. H You know the thing about Barthelmy also he's listed as 67 00:04:01,159 --> 00:04:03,639 a right handed fighter. He fights a lot as a right hander, but 68 00:04:03,719 --> 00:04:06,879 he does very easily switch to south paw, and he did that quite a 69 00:04:06,879 --> 00:04:10,560 bit in the fight. When he switched the south pod, that's when the 70 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:15,520 straight left hand became a very difficult weapon for Ramirez to deal with, and 71 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,879 he was getting He just couldn't get away from it. If Barthelmy could have 72 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:23,600 kept that going and had a little bit more gas in the tank, I 73 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,680 guess to continue to throw the punch, maybe he would have done more damage. 74 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,879 But the one in the third round, it clipped Jose Ramirez very very 75 00:04:29,879 --> 00:04:31,600 hard. He was shook. As you said, I thought he got knocked 76 00:04:31,639 --> 00:04:34,079 down. Now. Jack Reese, the referee, who I've always had a 77 00:04:34,079 --> 00:04:36,839 lot of respect for, a tremendous referee, going to be a Hall of 78 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:41,439 Fame referee someday. In my estimation, I thought he missed the call. 79 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,600 I mean, it looked like it was a good shot now when he knocked 80 00:04:44,639 --> 00:04:46,199 him down or slipped to the canvas, however you want to call it. 81 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,360 The problem was that ramsis Barthell, and he did not give Jack really a 82 00:04:49,439 --> 00:04:54,000 chance to actually even make the knockdown call because he started unloading punches that were 83 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,160 blating. It wasn't like one shot. He must have thrown like three or 84 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,680 four punches. When Jose was on the ground on I thought live it was 85 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,600 a punch and he was stumbling. But you're absolutely right. You have chaos 86 00:05:03,639 --> 00:05:06,920 with the referees trying to get between him and you're still trying to hit him. 87 00:05:08,399 --> 00:05:12,959 So it was confusing there at that moment. Yeah, in the end, 88 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,480 he did not call the knockdown, but he also did not call a 89 00:05:16,759 --> 00:05:20,319 point deduction for the foul. Now, he did give Barthelemy appropriately a very 90 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:26,800 hard and stern warning. Had he called the knockdown and deducted the point, 91 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,120 then it would even out anyway, I guess. So it still winds up 92 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,319 whether you score ten to nine or nine to eight, or however you look 93 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,920 at the scoring of the round. In the end, it probably was a 94 00:05:36,079 --> 00:05:41,040 wash in terms of scoring the round, but he is still like to see 95 00:05:41,079 --> 00:05:45,759 the call made again, in my opinion, a knockdown and I thought it 96 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,040 was latant enough in terms of hitting him while he was down that it shouldn't 97 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:53,279 It shouldn't have warranted just a warning. It should have been a definite point 98 00:05:53,319 --> 00:05:56,600 deduction because you know, one shot, okay, that's an accident. Maybe 99 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,879 two, three, four are the man's down. Come on, you're a 100 00:05:58,879 --> 00:06:00,920 professional fighter at age thirty eight, who was one world titled in two weight 101 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:03,920 classes and was an Olympian. You know the rules of boxing. You can't 102 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:08,560 do that shit. So anyway, that was the third round was pretty wild, 103 00:06:08,959 --> 00:06:11,879 and then from the fourth round on this was basically all Jose Ramirez. 104 00:06:11,879 --> 00:06:14,439 He got shook a few more times by the left hand, but never in 105 00:06:14,439 --> 00:06:16,480 the manner that happened in round three. He had a huge crowd there, 106 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,199 over thirteen thousand at the Save Mart Center in Fresno, which is in his 107 00:06:19,199 --> 00:06:23,319 home region. He's from Avenel, just a few minutes away. Obviously, 108 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,680 they always turn out for him. He was fighting for the first time in 109 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,040 a year. Same thing pretty much with Barthelemy, So they were there to 110 00:06:30,199 --> 00:06:33,720 sort of, as you said, quip themselves back in any kind of consciousness, 111 00:06:33,759 --> 00:06:36,720 more so with Ramirez given his stature where he's at at the moment. 112 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,879 But it turned out to be a good fight. He ended up winning pretty 113 00:06:40,879 --> 00:06:44,199 handily one nineteen to one oh nine on two score cards, which means they 114 00:06:44,199 --> 00:06:47,680 only gave Barthelemy the third round those judges, and one judge gave it ten 115 00:06:47,759 --> 00:06:50,519 rounds to two. Would you think it was that wide? You thought that 116 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,160 was yeah, I had ten rounds to two. I could have saw it 117 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,120 maybe nine rounds to three. But even though some of the rounds were competitive, 118 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,199 Rosier Miras is winning all the rounds. He you know again, we 119 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,399 talked about it every single week. Practically. The copy box does not defined 120 00:07:03,399 --> 00:07:08,199 the fight specifically, but when you see numbers that are so overwhelming in one 121 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,800 direction, it usually is an indication of what the result was. In the 122 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,959 fact of the matter is pose Ramires threw way way more punches, landed way 123 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,959 way more punches, and the punch punches landed for Barthellomey just were not at 124 00:07:18,959 --> 00:07:21,800 the same level as uh. I mean, he almost got doubled up in 125 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,600 the punch out and the punches landed. I mean, again, they're not 126 00:07:25,759 --> 00:07:29,160 exact, but it's a reasonable enough guy where if you're doubling the guy up, 127 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:32,000 you know there's probably a halfway decent chance that that's realistic in terms of 128 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,560 what those stats were. And Ramirez took the fight to him along the ropes 129 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,079 and had him in trouble in the eleventh round. Now, you and I 130 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:44,399 on the bet Us Show differed. You thought decision, I thought knockout, 131 00:07:44,399 --> 00:07:46,639 and I thought, here we go. He's got him trapped, he's got 132 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,720 him hurt. It's a one sided fight at this point. And Jack Reese 133 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,360 second mentioned to him, by the way, I believe it's his birthday today, 134 00:07:53,399 --> 00:07:56,480 So happy birthday, Jack Reese. And I did not know this former 135 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,240 fire captain in southern California too. How about that? I didn't know that 136 00:08:00,279 --> 00:08:03,279 either, but I saw that on social media and currently also a real estate 137 00:08:03,319 --> 00:08:05,759 agent. About that? Okay, well we got his full bio here on 138 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,839 the pod. But anyway, I thought he may be on the verge of 139 00:08:09,879 --> 00:08:13,279 stopping the fight. He did not, And then it was kind of strange. 140 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:16,040 He came over in the corner and took the corner man away from the 141 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:18,480 corner and started talking to him and had the doctor come look at him with 142 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:20,759 the swollen eye. I thought it could have been a real brief. Hey, 143 00:08:20,759 --> 00:08:22,360 if you're on the ropes again not defending yourself, I'm stopping it and 144 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,040 then just leave the corner. But it was a little prolonged. I thought 145 00:08:26,079 --> 00:08:30,360 I might get a TKO there, ray Phiel, but it lasted the distance 146 00:08:30,759 --> 00:08:33,639 Bartholo made, to his credit, kept firing back. He would get cracked, 147 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,080 he was in trouble on the ropes and then he would fire back, 148 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,519 and that kept the fight from getting stopped. So you're number one, as 149 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,440 I looked it up while you were telling me that. And Jack's birthday is 150 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,559 in fact on April twenty seven, so it was on Saturday. So happy 151 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,720 birthday to Jack Breeze. How we go. And also in terms of going 152 00:08:48,759 --> 00:08:52,759 to the corner, I mean Jack in the eleventh round, before they went 153 00:08:52,799 --> 00:08:54,919 to the corner, he was very close to stopping the fight, and the 154 00:08:54,919 --> 00:08:58,919 main reason was because barthellay, well, I just think was tired. You 155 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,720 know again, I know it was thirty eight year olds thirty eight year old 156 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,200 old legs allegedly thirty eight, right, you know, he was languishing on 157 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,000 the ropes and takes and he's taking shots. I mean he took three or 158 00:09:07,039 --> 00:09:11,320 four shot yes the corner when he went to the corner after the round. 159 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,720 He's specifically, and they caught it on the audio. The specifically he specifically 160 00:09:15,759 --> 00:09:18,399 said to Barthelmy and to the corner if you're if you lay on the ropes, 161 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,840 I'm going to stop the fight and take you know, taking punches land 162 00:09:20,879 --> 00:09:26,600 on the rope. So you could tell very distinctly that that that definitely resonated 163 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,080 in his mind, because Barthelmy, even when he was taking some shots in 164 00:09:30,159 --> 00:09:31,720 the twelfth round, he did not go to the ropes even you know, 165 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,559 I don't even think he went there for a second. He stayed in the 166 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,000 middle of the ring or tried to move around. But you know, it 167 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,600 didn't matter at that point because he was either going to get stopped or Ramirez 168 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,320 was going to just close it out with the with the final bell and win 169 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,759 the HANDI he deserved decision. But you mentioned about the bet us, this 170 00:09:46,799 --> 00:09:50,200 would be the appropriate time to mention that Rayfiel was four and oh and the 171 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,519 picks on Saturday, you were you got that you already had the over had 172 00:09:54,519 --> 00:10:00,200 the fight been stopped. I was looking at the ko anytime by way two 173 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:01,360 and one last week, So it's a nice little streak there. I don't 174 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,000 forget what was, but yeah, six and one. We're doing all right. 175 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,480 We're doing good, all right, so just wrap it on this, 176 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,440 Ramirez said after the fighting. Look, I always loved the honesty where he 177 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,440 said I was not at my best and maybe I was a little distracted by 178 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:18,639 this being back in Fresno ring. Rust good on him that he was bringing 179 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,399 that up, So I like honesty. He won, he won convincingly. 180 00:10:22,759 --> 00:10:26,720 So now as we always say, what do we believe is next for him? 181 00:10:26,759 --> 00:10:28,320 At one, well, I do think you might have been a little 182 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,600 bit hard on himself just because of the fact that you know, I mean, 183 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,960 you could say which one about Barthelwi but he's an experienced fighter. As 184 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,799 he's gotten older, you know, he he's been more of a stationary puncher, 185 00:10:37,919 --> 00:10:41,919 which happens often when a guy doesn't have the legs they once had. 186 00:10:41,919 --> 00:10:46,000 And I don't know why he'd be distracted in Fresno because that's where he's fought 187 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,480 so many fights for most of his career. But nonetheless, big crowd you 188 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,080 know, he admitted it, so I, like you said, good for 189 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,679 him being honest. As far as what's next, you know, I did 190 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,240 interview Oscar de la Hoya, his promoter at Golden Boy. This was his 191 00:10:56,279 --> 00:11:00,279 first fight since signing with Golden Boy. After his career long relationship a top 192 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,000 rank came to an end. Oscar said, look, he's ready for a 193 00:11:03,039 --> 00:11:05,240 world title, which he is. He said, maybe I'll have one more 194 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,720 fight, because you know, it's one thing to say you're ready for a 195 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,320 world title. The reality is, though, you can't just snap your fingers 196 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:15,159 and get the world title shot. You got to have the luck or the 197 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:18,840 the the ability to make a title fight because sometimes other guys are busy or 198 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,799 there's not something available. So if you take a look at what the title 199 00:11:20,799 --> 00:11:24,440 picture is at one forty, you have Devin Haney, who just lost to 200 00:11:24,519 --> 00:11:28,559 Ryan Garcia, but still because Ryan was over the limit of one for he 201 00:11:28,639 --> 00:11:33,759 still is the owner of the WBC title. I mean, if he stays 202 00:11:33,799 --> 00:11:37,759 at one forty again, I kind of don't see it, but I would 203 00:11:37,799 --> 00:11:41,399 have no problem watching Devin Haney versus Josey Ramirez. That's a pretty interesting fight. 204 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,159 The WBO champion and The lineal champion is Tafimo Lopez, who's with Top 205 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:50,279 Rank, who Jose has already turned down that fight. Yeah, now that's 206 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,720 not to say it doesn't come back around, but I don't know what Top 207 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:56,440 ranks motivation for doing that when he just left them. The IBF champion is 208 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,120 Super al Matias, who was with Mattroom and just signed with them. He 209 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,039 has a defense coming up against Liam Paro in June in a Puerto Rico homecoming 210 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:07,240 fight, you know, And it seems to me that Eddie Hearn has enough 211 00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:11,200 top guys in and around one forty that he can make other fights, whether 212 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,919 he continues to work with Devin Haney even if they don't have a long term 213 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,480 contract. Obviously he still got you know, Regis Program, who's going to 214 00:12:16,519 --> 00:12:20,080 be making a comeback. I know he didn't look good obviously when he lost 215 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:20,919 any but there's no reason why he couldn't be in that kind of fight. 216 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,720 Point is, it doesn't seem like cozier Ma is gonna be top of mind 217 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,679 for that. And then the WBA champions Pip bol Cruz who's with PBC, 218 00:12:28,919 --> 00:12:33,240 who is defending his title coming up on the on the August third card, 219 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,840 that's headlined by the Terrence Crawford fight against Israel Majimov, so that the title 220 00:12:37,879 --> 00:12:43,240 opportunities do not seem obvious right now. So it seems like to me anyway, 221 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,759 he probably will have some other fight before our things maybe become more a 222 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:52,879 little bit more clear. You know who he fights in that in between fight, 223 00:12:52,919 --> 00:12:56,240 It remains to be seen. It wouldn't totally shock me. Maybe if 224 00:12:56,399 --> 00:12:58,799 you know, we saw Oscar de Wardte fight on the undercard at A at 225 00:12:58,799 --> 00:13:01,720 a hundred thirty eight pounds, but he's kind of could easily be one forty. 226 00:13:01,759 --> 00:13:05,919 Also would shock me if maybe they try to make that's an exciting fight 227 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,679 to warte against Ramirez. He looked good against Jojo Diaz while we touched, 228 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,600 and we'll get to that fight a minute. Maybe they are setting that up. 229 00:13:11,639 --> 00:13:15,360 I don't know, so we'll see what they do. But the point 230 00:13:15,399 --> 00:13:18,720 here is this, after a year laoff, Josiermeraz came back. They had 231 00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:20,919 a fun fight, look solid, even if he was maybe not so great 232 00:13:20,919 --> 00:13:24,440 early on, and you know, he's still another top name. He's look, 233 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,559 he's only got one loss and it was a decision against Josh Taylor for 234 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,519 the undisputed title where they were both bringing two belts to the ring, and 235 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,559 the difference in that fight was the fact that Josh scored two knockdowns and those 236 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,399 were the difference in terms of the two points because the judges all had at 237 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,600 one fourteen to one twelve. So if he doesn't get dropped two times, 238 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,440 the fights a draw. And if you're only lost in your cares a very 239 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,440 close fight to Josh Taylor. There's nothing wrong with that. But it was 240 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,879 good to see jose Beck. All right, So co feature fight was a 241 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,759 Virgil Ortiz win. Now, while you're so busy patting yourself on the back, 242 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,159 I do remember Dan Rayfield saying on the bet Us show, I just 243 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,120 don't think this is a first round knockout when people were bringing it up, 244 00:14:01,879 --> 00:14:05,559 and yet it is a first round knockout. It's a body shot knockout. 245 00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:09,639 In honor of Roy Jones, y'all must have forgot back Virgil Hill out with 246 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,200 a body shot. It was a body shot to Thomas Delormet and he didn't 247 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,679 get up. He didn't get up about two minutes into the first round. 248 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:22,559 So Ortiz gets another back to back first round KOs he's had the health problems. 249 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,919 Now he hasn't had much action in the ring because he's gotten two first 250 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,120 round wins, but not a lot to go over other than the body shot. 251 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,080 Right, Yeah, I mean yeah, he didn't have a lot of 252 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:33,440 rounds in the ring. But you know what, sometimes as important. First 253 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,799 of all, he goes through the whole pageantry, the whole thing, getting 254 00:14:37,799 --> 00:14:41,000 your hands wrapped, going to the arena, walking up the steps, you 255 00:14:41,039 --> 00:14:45,559 know, going through the instructions, having the actual fight obviously important to go 256 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:48,559 through a full and healthy training camp, which he's had his problems with because 257 00:14:48,559 --> 00:14:52,960 of the blood disorder. We've discussed plenty of times because of his issues making 258 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,000 the weight. He seems now very comfortable at one hundred and fifty four pounds. 259 00:14:56,039 --> 00:14:58,720 This was his second fight in that division. He did have the first 260 00:14:58,799 --> 00:15:03,799 round knockout against Frederick Lawson in January, and now he has this first round 261 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,279 knockout against the Lormet uh two minutes and thirty nine seconds of the first round, 262 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:13,080 a perfect left hook. I loved Virgil's comment to our pal Chris Mannix 263 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,080 in the interview on his own after this knockout, which is, they think 264 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,279 I'm just a guy to just go there to you know, to knock you 265 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,720 out. But I'm a thinking fighter also, and it was a very calculated 266 00:15:22,759 --> 00:15:26,120 punch. You know, they say I'm a truck, but this, this 267 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,279 truck was thinking over here. The point is like he set it up very 268 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,440 nicely. Not a whole lot had happened in those first two minutes and thirty 269 00:15:31,519 --> 00:15:33,720 nine seconds, a couple of jazz, you know, a couple other punches, 270 00:15:33,759 --> 00:15:37,120 but nothing that was indicative that this fight was about to end. But 271 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,519 when he had the opening, boy did he land just an absolutely perfect shot. 272 00:15:41,759 --> 00:15:43,320 And it was almost like, uh, like I get it, like 273 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,480 a lightsaber just cut the lourmet in half. Because the way he went down 274 00:15:46,919 --> 00:15:50,559 was just like, you know, there was no He just dropped like a 275 00:15:50,639 --> 00:15:54,360 rock and he you know, rolled over and was just absolutely an agony and 276 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,799 writhing and you know, and there was just no way you could tell immediately 277 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,919 that there was no way, as often described and analysts talk about this, 278 00:16:00,919 --> 00:16:04,240 and Sergio Bore was talking about, immediately you can't breathe, nothing works, 279 00:16:04,279 --> 00:16:08,799 you can't breathe, you can't get up, and as you go, as 280 00:16:08,879 --> 00:16:11,840 Ortiz said, he goes. When I when I landed, I said, 281 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,799 I knew that's a rap and it was a rap and listen, it was 282 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,600 a very good win. I mean, Delormee has seen way better days. 283 00:16:18,639 --> 00:16:21,399 I feel bad for DeLorme because he's a nice guy. I've known him a 284 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,879 bit over the years, been a fun fighter. They were talking about how 285 00:16:23,919 --> 00:16:27,360 he made his debut on HBO, like more than ten years ago. I 286 00:16:27,399 --> 00:16:32,159 mean, he's he's been a workman, a workhorse type of fighter. I 287 00:16:32,159 --> 00:16:33,919 mean, at one time he was one of the hottest prospects in the sport. 288 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,600 People thought he was gonna be a future world champion. It didn't work 289 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,360 out that way for him. But I don't know where he goes from here. 290 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,240 But the fact is, Virgil Ortiz, if you're going to get the 291 00:16:42,279 --> 00:16:45,720 first round knockout, do it, because the more important fight is the one 292 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,840 on August thirty. Remember this fight between him and DeLorme was already me before 293 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:53,279 there was any notion that there's me a possibility of Virgil Ortiz fighting against him 294 00:16:53,399 --> 00:16:56,480 zoo. So it was only during the week of this fight, or you 295 00:16:56,519 --> 00:17:00,799 know, within a few days that the fight was fire. And so it 296 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:06,680 was incumbent though on him defeating Thomas Lorman and also making sure that he doesn't 297 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:07,759 have any kind of injuries that are going to keep it from a training camp 298 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:11,119 and out of the fight. That's August the third, So now we have 299 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,119 a spectacular fight. I mean, look, that's what we've discussed that last 300 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,160 week about how absolutely freaking loaded that August third card that that the Saudi's are 301 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,279 coming to do as part of a read season. And then here in the 302 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,799 United States, I'll take place in Los Angeles. As we discussed, if 303 00:17:26,279 --> 00:17:30,640 Virgil Ortiz against Tim Zuo is your third fight down the card, you know 304 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,279 what a crazy card that is because you got Crawford and Magimov obviously is an 305 00:17:34,519 --> 00:17:37,400 important fight in the main event, Crawford the number one fighter in boxing pound 306 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,480 for pound moving up to another weight class to try to go for a fourth 307 00:17:41,519 --> 00:17:44,480 title. Then you got pit Bull Cruz, who is a very popular fighter 308 00:17:44,839 --> 00:17:47,480 in the next fight, defending his title at won forty for the first time 309 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,640 against Jose Vealezuela. And then the third fight down the show is Virgil against 310 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:57,640 against This matchup, yeah, against Tim Zoo. He's just a tremendous battle. 311 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,920 I mean, and look they were they even were going back and forth 312 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,599 a little bit on social Mediazos closed post, right after the fight was me 313 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,880 and Virgil Ortiz is the real main Evan see you soon, buddy with an 314 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,200 exclamation point. Yeah, I mean there's the night. You know, kind 315 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,960 of kind of crazy to think that that there'll be those that might consider Pitbull 316 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:17,960 Cruise and the defense and uh and Terrence Crawford in the ring, you know 317 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:22,119 as the let's call them walk out paths, right, but spectacular fight and 318 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,200 Virgil is safely through. And I'm gonna tell you, man, we got 319 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,079 a lot of time to talk about that possibility of what we might see that 320 00:18:27,079 --> 00:18:32,240 fight. I don't know what's gonna happen, but I just I could see 321 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,039 that fight just being an all out battle, you know, start to finish, 322 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,319 you know, one through twelve. I could see either guy, you 323 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,079 know, getting something done early. Just the sensational sense. I mean, 324 00:18:41,319 --> 00:18:44,200 you dream about those types of matchups. If you're looking at rankings at one 325 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,240 hundred and fifty four pounds and you were like, you know, go ahead, 326 00:18:47,279 --> 00:18:48,960 make any fight you want to make in the weight class, you very 327 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,799 well might pick Tim Tim Zuigin's Virgil Ortiz is your number one fight. I 328 00:18:52,839 --> 00:18:56,319 don't care that Virgil just had the two rounds. I know he can fight. 329 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:00,480 I know he's now twenty one and oh with twenty one knockouts. And 330 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,079 in terms of Tim Zoo, yeah, okay, he lost the Sebastian Mendor 331 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,839 on a split decision in a fight that if anybody watched the fight, And 332 00:19:06,839 --> 00:19:10,319 I'm not dissing from the door, because he's an exciting fighter and a and 333 00:19:10,319 --> 00:19:12,599 a talented fighter and a good dude. But here's the reality. He was 334 00:19:12,599 --> 00:19:15,880 having his ass handed into for a round and you know, and and and 335 00:19:17,079 --> 00:19:21,400 uh seven eighths of the second round, and then Zoo ended up with a 336 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,960 gaping wound on the top of his head and it completely changed the fight for 337 00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:27,519 him, and he still went twelve rounds with the guy he's still almost won 338 00:19:27,559 --> 00:19:32,720 the fight and running down his face the entire fight. So let me add 339 00:19:32,759 --> 00:19:34,440 this. Let me ask you a compromised to the whole yes to the whole 340 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,480 discussion, Tim Zoo, because I keep seeing Virgil's gonna easily beat Tim Zoo. 341 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:42,480 Virgil's gonna knock Tim Zoo. Tim Zu's the much more tested world championship 342 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:47,079 level fighter who beat a former world champion a Tony Harrison, who beat an 343 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:53,240 interim WBC one and fifty four pound champ in Brian Mendoza. Uh So that's 344 00:19:53,279 --> 00:19:57,799 a fascinating, fascinating fight that's more more motile, more more notable, or 345 00:19:57,799 --> 00:20:02,039 at least as notable as that he's been at junior middleway his entire career. 346 00:20:02,039 --> 00:20:04,039 I mean, fel when I when I first fought you know, when I 347 00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:07,400 think I when I when I picked Virgil as the prospect of the year. 348 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,119 However, many years ago that was he was, you know, looking for 349 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,640 a title shot at one hundred and forty pounds. Right now he's in the 350 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,839 one fifty four pound wake, len't he You know, he doesn't look like 351 00:20:14,839 --> 00:20:17,160 he's gotten much. He still looks great in that you know, he can. 352 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:18,359 I don't know how he ever made one forty, right, but he 353 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,000 looks great at one fifty four. And by and by the way, another 354 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,559 part of this argument, he's had two fights at one fifty four that have 355 00:20:23,599 --> 00:20:29,920 basically been nothing because one of them was prematurely stopped while he's trying to swarm 356 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:30,880 the guy in the first round, and the other one there's not really a 357 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,400 significant punched until Boom goes the dynamite with the body shot. So it's not 358 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,480 like he was tested in either fight by by shots coming at him or anything. 359 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,519 So I don't know really what we have yet at one fifty four. 360 00:20:41,559 --> 00:20:45,880 Well know August third, I know, I know August fight. I know 361 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,519 that we have a fight on August third, with all respect to the other 362 00:20:48,559 --> 00:20:52,960 outstanding matchups that are on that show. And I'll probably write write a column 363 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,680 about this or a peace about this at some point as the show gets closer, 364 00:20:56,519 --> 00:20:59,759 and I'll like give like a little ranking I guess of this of the 365 00:20:59,799 --> 00:21:02,480 s spights that are currently announced for the show, all of which are interesting 366 00:21:02,519 --> 00:21:06,119 to me for different reasons, but I think I would probably pick Virgil against 367 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,599 Tim Zuez my number one fight on that card for many different rates. Like 368 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,279 it? All right, again, you'll hear from Brandon figure Rollo with Dan 369 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,000 coming up in a few moments. Let's finish out the card. As I 370 00:21:15,079 --> 00:21:19,319 made mention, Oscar Duarte did get a stoppage of Jojo Diaz and then Gabriella 371 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:27,359 Alians ends up winning over Marlon Asparza in their rematch for the three flyweight championships. 372 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,440 All right, so wrap up the conversation on the Golden Boy card. 373 00:21:30,759 --> 00:21:33,960 Well, Duarte, you know he was coming off the knockout loss against Ryan 374 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,839 Garcia in December. That was Ryan's fight coming back off his knockout loss against 375 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:42,319 Tank Davis that was last April. And even though Duarte lost against Ryan Garcia, 376 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,920 you know, he put up a good effort and you know, he 377 00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:48,200 just you know, Ryan is just a prop better fighter, a more powerful 378 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,240 guy. And he was also not fighting in the in the most natural weight 379 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,279 class He's he's mostly been a lightweight Duarte. He was fighting Ryan up at 380 00:21:56,279 --> 00:21:59,160 one hundred and forty three pounds, so you know that can make a difference. 381 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,359 But he took on Joseph Diaz in a fight that Joseph Diaz was in 382 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,039 desperate situations to win because his career is you know, pretty much done at 383 00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:08,559 this point, you know, for after that loss, and d'warte looked really 384 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:11,319 good. I mean, Joseph Diaz showed a great chin like he always does 385 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,079 and is a warrior, but was outgunned, outclassed out everything. Uh. 386 00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:18,920 You know, he was able to make the weight finally for a change that 387 00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:22,240 that was contracted at one thirty eight. Uh. But the most notable aspect 388 00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:26,960 of what occurred is that even though Joseph Diaz has now six losses. That 389 00:22:27,079 --> 00:22:30,160 was the first time anybody not only the first time anybody ever stopped him, 390 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,000 but the first time I think anybody ever came close to stopping him. Because 391 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,000 the's other losses he went to distance in fights that maybe he lost, you 392 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,960 know, con points that were pretty clear, but no one was ever doing 393 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,079 the damage like d'warte was now. Jojo said afterwards, you know, he 394 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,839 never hurt me. I don't know why he stopped it. Well, I 395 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,640 know why he stopped it, because're getting your ass kicked for nine rounds. 396 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,079 I mean, he put a lot of a lot of punishment on Joseph Diz, 397 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,359 who's now at this point, maybe not chronologically but in his career as 398 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,559 an older fucking Yeah, he was close to stopping him earlier in the fight. 399 00:22:56,599 --> 00:23:00,000 He hard him earlier in the fight and had him along the ropes previous 400 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:03,079 to that. So yes, so he stops some standing, but uh, 401 00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:04,960 you know, and Jojo says, you know, I'll be back, And 402 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,160 I thought to myself, and I posted this on social media, You'll be 403 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:14,759 back to where you can't make one thirty five. You got destroyed at one 404 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:18,519 thirty eight. You got no prayer against the names at one forty, so 405 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,440 where are you going? And he's his You know, he's got a lot 406 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:27,759 of thinking to do because it's a it's a it's a thing about diminishing returns, 407 00:23:27,759 --> 00:23:30,599 like even if he gets a fight. So he made sixty thousand dollars 408 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,279 for the fight against the Warte on Saturday, his persons are only going to 409 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,920 go down and they're going to just throw him in with anybody disappoint So, 410 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,680 I don't know where is reality? You gotta I mean, he's what did 411 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,680 you say, four fight losing streak something like that, and he's now lost. 412 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,319 He's he's lost two in a row, but he's lost five of his 413 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,279 last six, going all the way back to the Devin Haney fight in twenty 414 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,559 twenty one. All right, now, if you look on one and the 415 00:23:56,599 --> 00:24:00,680 things, the fights he's lost Devin Hainey, Williams, the Paida and Duarte, 416 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,759 those are pretty solid guys. He lost the Mercedo Hesta, who's a 417 00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:07,119 little bit of a lesser guy. He lost to Jesus Perez. That was 418 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,799 a fight he should have won. And the one win he got in there 419 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,920 is against Jerry Perez, who's just like a regular kind of guy. The 420 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,759 point is, I just don't see anything. Now as far as d Warte 421 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:21,039 goes, you know, he's exciting, he seems like he's got a good 422 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:23,759 idea what's going on. He had Robert Garcia in his corner for the first 423 00:24:23,759 --> 00:24:26,599 time he made it. You know, he kept his corner, but he 424 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,119 brought in Robert to work with him also, who was willing to do so. 425 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,559 And if Robert Garcia takes you on, he sees something. Robert's not 426 00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:37,759 the kind of guy that just goes to go with a guy just to go 427 00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:40,000 with the guy. Now, maybe if it was a guy that brought a 428 00:24:40,039 --> 00:24:42,480 huge amount of money, you do it. But Oscar Duarte is not the 429 00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:45,279 kind of guy that the trainer signs up for because he's gonna get rich. 430 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,559 A guy like Robert Garcia brings in and is willing to work with the Duarte 431 00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:52,039 because he thinks he's a chance he can be cal him something and you know, 432 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,200 win a big fight, become a world champion and obviously make some money 433 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,759 also. But the point here is that that was a a good looking version 434 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:03,480 of Oscar Duarte, and you know he he's got a chance to make some 435 00:25:03,599 --> 00:25:07,799 noise at lightweight, maybe at Junior Walter certainly get himself a fight. I'll 436 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:10,880 tell you a fight that would be freaking amazing, And I don't know what 437 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,799 the Golden boy appetite to do. The match would be. Imagine him against 438 00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:18,359 Williams of Payda. That would be entertaining. Yep, I mean no doubt 439 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,160 about it. I mean those you know, they can do that if they 440 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,359 want. I mean Zepaidas doesn't have a title shot coming. He's waiting as 441 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,480 patiently as he can for it something. But if they got to keep these 442 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:32,480 guys busy, that's a great matchup. And the women's fly weight uh split 443 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,640 this That was a little bit of a weird one because you know they they 444 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,960 fought a few months ago and it was Asparza who won the fight. Some 445 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,559 say controversial. I thought she clearly won that fight. The point in that 446 00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:48,079 one, though, was she had her two titles she won. I believe 447 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,680 it was the WBO belt from Alanta's in that fight. It was rescheduled for 448 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:55,839 recently, but it got postponed because Alanta has had a problem with her visa. 449 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,240 So it took place on Saturday, and it was very similar to the 450 00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:03,079 first fight, but they ended up giving the decision in favor of Atlantis. 451 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,519 I thought it was a close fight. I mean, to be quite honest, 452 00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:08,160 Taj, I was not scoring it round by round on paper. I 453 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,920 was just kind of watching that one because I know I wasn't gonna be writing 454 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,440 a whole lot about it, so I can't give you the nuance of like 455 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,000 how I scored it, but my feeling and you know, and I always 456 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,279 say this, if you're gonna argue with me and tell me, you know 457 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:22,720 this guy won, that guy won, this woman won that one on you 458 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:26,519 better have your score on paper, like on your phone, or you know, 459 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:29,319 I need round by round because it's three minutes that you score and then 460 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:30,960 you go on to the next one. But I also have watched plenty of 461 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,000 fights where I may not score on paper, but you kind of have a 462 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:38,359 feeling how the fight's going. My feeling was that I could have seen either 463 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,920 way, that both of them had their times where they were doing good work. 464 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,720 But in the end that the thing that was weird about it wasn't just 465 00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:48,880 that they gave one woman the decision over the other, is that the way 466 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,960 the scores were and it's always goofy like this, you had one of the 467 00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:56,319 judges who scores the fight ninety eight to ninety two in favor of Esparza, 468 00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:59,599 which is eight rounds to two. That's a one sided fight. Obviously, 469 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,519 the other two judges gave it to Atlanta's and they scored it in ninety six 470 00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:07,480 to ninety four, ninety seven to ninety three, so that the variance between 471 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,559 the scoring was pretty wild. So we have again we said this last weekend 472 00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:14,240 too with with with one of the judging of one of the fights, we 473 00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:19,000 have one judge giving eight barbon fight baro right the Barbosoply we got one judge 474 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,799 giving eight rounds of the ten to one fighter and another judge giving seven rounds 475 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:27,480 to the to the other fighter. That yeah, that's way too wide. 476 00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:32,279 So now obviously they're one and one. You know, our Sparsa said afterwards 477 00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:34,720 she would like a third fight. Alana's basically told her to go fuck herself, 478 00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:40,559 which is so she's not interested to do that. But here's the most 479 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:44,680 important aspect of it, Asparsa, you know again, I don't I don't 480 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,160 room against her or anything like that. Chinna got what she deserves to ask 481 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,480 me, because she didn't make the weight on Friday at the weigh in, 482 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,599 she was one hundred and fourteen pounds defending three titles that flyweight one hundred and 483 00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:56,880 twelve pounds, so she got stripped of all three belts yep. And she 484 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,680 was not eligible to retain her titles or win the titles now that they were 485 00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,759 vagant So Atlantas is eligible to win the belt. So she wins the three 486 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:07,359 unified titles, and she's the one that made the weight, so she did 487 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,400 her job Asparza. She pays the price by coming in unprofessionally and not making 488 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:17,400 the weight even coming close, and also losing the fight. Boxing gods, 489 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,920 we're watching on that one. Okay, good recap. That's what you call 490 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,240 karma, TJ. That's karma right there. It is karma, baby. 491 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:25,960 All right, good recap stuff. Let's get to a conversation. This is 492 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,559 later in the week. Brandon Figueroa is back in the ring, big time 493 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:34,200 action fighter. He is the interim WBC featherweight champ. He's fighting former junior 494 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,200 featherweight titleist Jesse Magdaleno. But you don't got to wait for later this week 495 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,799 to find out more about that fight. Find out about it right now. 496 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,240 Well, it's my pleasure to welcome to our podcast today. It is the 497 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,920 WBC Interim featherweight Champion, Brandon Figueroa. Brandon, you have an important title 498 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,960 defense against Jesse Magdaleno. It will take place on the Canelo Alvarez card against 499 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,359 Hima Magee at May fourth, on a pay per view at the T Mobile 500 00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:02,519 Arena in Las Vegas. So I want to thank you very much for joining 501 00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:04,839 the show and I look forward to talk to me about the fight. Yeah 502 00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:07,240 sure, yea, and thank you for having me. Appreciate that. So 503 00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:11,240 first off, I want to just get your take on this. This is 504 00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:12,920 your first time that you're going to be fighting. I'm one of these big 505 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:18,000 single demio cards in Las Vegas, on Canelo's card, you know, one 506 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,279 of the big stars in the sport. I just want your feeling about as 507 00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:25,519 a Mexican American getting the chance to fight on that type of a big show 508 00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:27,920 where you know, the hoopla and the and the the passion for the Mexican 509 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,480 fight from the Mexican fight fans is at such as such a fever pitch. 510 00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:37,240 I mean, yeah, it's amazing. It's a great opportunity. And family 511 00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:41,799 grew watching you know, Marque. Yeah, all these great Mexican champions I 512 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:47,400 was reporting there. So now that I know that, you know, they're 513 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,400 going to be doing the name for me and for Carnelo, especially for Carnelo. 514 00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:53,359 So mories are going to be on me and more exposure, and like 515 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,119 I said, I just can't wait to go out there and and take advantage 516 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,920 of this opportunity and go out there and give you know, like you said, 517 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,279 the Mexican fans are a great show. You know, they love exciting, 518 00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:07,000 thrilling fights, and I felt like I was chosen perfectly. You know, 519 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:11,319 I am a come forward fighter. Everyone knows that is my fighters, 520 00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:15,240 and they were boring their action pack. I always come forward. I'm always 521 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:18,599 looking for action. So that action is going to be the regardless all night. 522 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,079 So I know the Mexican father a little bit. Everyone that's going to 523 00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:27,920 be is gonna love it. You don't necessarily have the Mexican, but you're 524 00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:30,720 you're definitely gonna love it more. So yeah, like I said, it's 525 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,640 a big opportunity, and you know Jesse magnal Magnalano is a top opponent, 526 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,359 and you know, I just got to go out there and execute my game 527 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,960 plan. So the last time we saw you in the ring. It's been 528 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,119 a little while. That was when you had a decision win, you know, 529 00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:48,440 pretty clear against the former WBC champion Mark Macsio. That was March of 530 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,519 twenty twenty three. That's when you won the interim title that you now hold. 531 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,400 Pretty good performance from you. I just wanted your quick take on what 532 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,279 you thought of your performance in that fight and and what kind of me meaning 533 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,359 to you doesn't have to have an interim title as opposed to a full world 534 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:07,079 title. I mean, yeah, that's the goal is to I always have 535 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,599 the you know, b A four champion. Uh. But yeah, like 536 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,799 I said, I was supposed to fight after Carlos Castro. Uh, that 537 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,720 fight didn't happen. I had to fight Maxio. I found him one. 538 00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:22,559 So you know, like I said, I just been waiting for that opportunity 539 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,519 for for the you know, for the actual bell. Uh just seems to 540 00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:30,920 you know, have the band in the way. I don't know if he's 541 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,880 stalling or what. You know, I've been ready, I've been I would 542 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:40,119 waiting for him last year when he actually Foster and then he just had to 543 00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:42,279 fight mcball. You know, I'm his mandatory. You know, I even 544 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,200 fought Maxio just to prove that, you know, I belong. I deserved 545 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,960 that shot. So hopefully maybe by the end of this year we can get 546 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,160 a fight with him. If not, then you know, we're just gonna 547 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,640 fight someone else. Uh, you know, we're not gonna be waiting for 548 00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:59,599 him bong and uh. Yeah, I mean the Maxiofi was just amazing. 549 00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:02,680 I felt like I went out there and executed my game plan, overwhelmed them, 550 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:09,400 dominated, and just broke them down completely. So yeah, pretty much. 551 00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:12,799 So this is gonna be your first fight since then. So it's gonna 552 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:16,440 have been fourteen months since that fight. And I just wondered if there was 553 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,839 a particular reason that you've been offered that long. You also only had the 554 00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:22,599 one fight in twenty twenty two, so I wondered, you know, is 555 00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:24,880 it that did you want to fight more often? Did you have some kind 556 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,160 of injury? Was there just a couldn't get the fight? No, couldn't 557 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,599 come to an agreement with your with your with your people that you deal with, 558 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,000 you know, whether it's PBC or whoever. What's the story with the 559 00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:38,839 long layoff? Yeah, I mean it was just like I said, like 560 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,160 last year, I was training for six months. I was like, I 561 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,960 said, I was supposed to fight Ri Bargash. They're like, Okay, 562 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,960 you're gonna py September. They said, no, You're gonna Bay, November 563 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,200 they said no, October, they said no, December they said no. 564 00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:59,160 So you know, they had me waiting and it wasn't until like hey, 565 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,039 man, like you knows, for almost half a year, like six months. 566 00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:06,799 We never do that. So we were just waiting waiting for him, 567 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,839 I guess and his team, but I don't know if they're duck installing, 568 00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:15,799 they're scared, or whatever the case is. But yeah, you know, 569 00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:20,720 we were just waiting and no fight happens going on. Does that get frustrating 570 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,200 for you, because, like you said, you're in the gym, You're 571 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,079 not getting paid for training, You're getting paid for the fights. Yeah, 572 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,519 I mean it is. It isn't a way, but you know, you 573 00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:30,799 always got to take the goods from the bed. You know. I just 574 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,079 thought as a you know, I stayed in shape, I was active, 575 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,960 I was ready. So all I can say is that I was happy that 576 00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:43,759 I went ready and active sharp. Man, I was. I was probably 577 00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:47,000 in the best shape of my life, you know, last year, in 578 00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:52,039 those six months. You know, we're just training, getting ready, training 579 00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:54,960 getting ready. So you know, now this fight is here, we're like 580 00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:59,279 two a week away, a week and a half, so you know we're 581 00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:04,200 just probably seeing the detos and I can't wait for fortnight. The conversation will 582 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,920 continue in a moment. First, a word for our friends at PPV dot 583 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,519 com. 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He's coming off of a decision loss against ray Ford, who 601 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:29,400 ended up going on after that fight to win the WBA featherweight title in a 602 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,880 very dramatic performance against Komotov. I wonder if you were able to did you 603 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,440 see Magdaleno's fight with ray Ford and what were your impressions of that performance. 604 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:45,599 I actually haven't watched that fight. How Bunny watches though. Okay, so 605 00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:49,559 when you haven't watched a fight, did your team watch the fight that sort 606 00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:52,079 of you know, scouted out for you because that he hadn't fought for a 607 00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:54,280 while. I guess, so that would be the most recent example, because 608 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,639 he's also coming off of a similar layoff that you'll be coming off of. 609 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:00,400 Have they been telling you anything about it? You're just gonna sit down and 610 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:06,360 watch it fresh sometime before the match, Yeah maybe. I mean, I 611 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,960 know my team has has watched it a few times given me instructions about it, 612 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,480 but you know, probably just go over myself and uh you know, 613 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,280 just yeah, like you said, just watch it fresh and just have it 614 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,119 in my mind fresh. Uh. Are there any I mean, obviously you 615 00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:22,679 know that he's a south bought Magdalena. I wonder when you get prepared for 616 00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:27,760 the fight, any concerns about fighting a left hand or whatsoever. No, 617 00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:30,320 No, I mean, maybe just a little bit. But I mean it's 618 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:35,079 just adjustments. Like I said, I can fight lefty righty, so uh 619 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,159 you know, I I just have a very unique style that confuses a lot. 620 00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:43,159 I feel like my opponents because I know how to fight lefty righty. 621 00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:46,320 I don't how to fight lefties from a lefty standpoint, so, uh you 622 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,599 know, I just bring different styles to the ring, and that's something for 623 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:57,000 him to have to have to decipher my styles. Whether I'm coming from a 624 00:36:57,079 --> 00:37:00,559 riiety standpoint, coming from a lefty standpoint. So yeah, so when you 625 00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:04,519 think about Magdalena, what's sort of like when you think about his game? 626 00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:07,559 Is there a particular scattering report you have in your mind about him and and 627 00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:09,239 the types of things that you think you need to sort of negate to be 628 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:14,239 the victor. I mean yeah, I mean just got to use my ability, 629 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,360 he's got to use my lane. My job. I felt like my 630 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:21,519 job is in be of every key uh you know factor in the fight. 631 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,639 And I feel lighted as something that that you know, me and my dama 632 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,800 have been working on. So yeah, I feel like it's going to be 633 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:34,280 on full display come report. So you're The most famous fight that you had 634 00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:37,480 was in twenty twenty one when you had that tremendous battle, really outstanding fight 635 00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:42,280 against Stephen Fulton to unify the belts at one hundred and twenty two pounds. 636 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,079 Uh, you know it was uh it was a close loss for you. 637 00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:50,239 I mean I think a lot of people left that uh fight thinking that that 638 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,760 that Brandon Figuarreau one. A lot of people thought that maybe it was Stephen 639 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,719 Fulton that was the winner. How how disappointing and do you still think about 640 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,239 that? I mean He ended up losing after that, but his it the 641 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,760 type of thing where you still want and desire to maybe someday get a rematch 642 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,760 with Fulton. I mean, yeah, it'll happened. You know, it 643 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,039 is what it is, you know to go. I learn a lot from 644 00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:15,079 that pie. You know, Stephen Fulton is a champion of course, all 645 00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:17,760 respects Ran. But yeah, I mean I know, I know we'll get 646 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:24,440 that rematch soon. Like the controversial fight that we had is just making the 647 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,519 second PI more anticipating. So I feel like, yeah, I feel like 648 00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:30,519 the second fight is going to happen. I feel like he's just a better 649 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:36,880 time and I can't wait. The guys you fight get the big money opportunities 650 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,559 against Noya in a way, right, I mean, here you got Fulton, 651 00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:42,760 he gets his hand raised against you, he goes to Japan, has 652 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,559 a huge payday and a unification for undisputed. Uh doesn't win. You knocked 653 00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:52,159 out Luis neary A in a pretty impressive performance. Also, now he's got 654 00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:55,239 the opportunity against him for the title coming up on h On just a few 655 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,800 days after your fight on May sixth, do you ever think about the possibility 656 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:00,960 of you went in a way hooking up because he's going to be a feather. 657 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,639 Wait before too long, I would think, of course, you know, 658 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,119 I feel like I feel like that that fight is good and oh and 659 00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:12,159 I feel like a lot of people are already talking about it. They're excited 660 00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:17,400 about it actually, and yeah, I feel like stylistically it's a great fight. 661 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,719 And I know, like I said, whether later this year, and 662 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,280 you know, if everything goes well, then you know, that's a great 663 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,599 opportunity for Innuay to fight me. I went to the ser or maybe get 664 00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:37,320 the rematch filming. The point is, I just want to have I just 665 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,840 want to fight the bird. I want to fight these exciting fighters. Innui 666 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,000 is probably at the top of my list. That fight is going to be 667 00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:46,400 crazy, crazy crazy. But first, you know, I got to win 668 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:51,639 this though the championship, and I give him a reason to to want to 669 00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:53,760 fight me a little bit more and make the fight a little bit bigger. 670 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:59,199 So yeah, I can't wait. I can't wait, uh for what's what's 671 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,360 in sort for me? But I don't take nothing from Justin Magdaala. Like 672 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:06,400 I said, he's one right now on the moment. Uh, he's he's 673 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,679 a fighter in my way, I don't take nothing from him, and we're 674 00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:12,679 preparing one hundred percent for him. You know, we got to go out 675 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,000 there and do our daying and and win his pearctacular fashion. So that's who 676 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,519 that's our gameplan, so many of them. I'll wrap up with this then 677 00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:22,239 when it comes to you talk about how you know you love to fight in 678 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,159 a way, but obviously you go to got to get through the Saturday, 679 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:30,400 you know, May fourth fight against your opponent Jesse Magdaleno. You're hoping to 680 00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:34,239 get the full title against Ray Vargas. But he did have as you mentioned, 681 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,159 he fought to fight with Nick Ball that was just recent. You are 682 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,119 his mandatory challenger. That was a fight that was really really close. A 683 00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:44,199 lot of people thought that nick Ball should have won that fight and ended up 684 00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:46,079 as as a draw. I wonder if you saw that and what you thought 685 00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:50,159 about that, because nick Ball showed a great performance in Vargas fought a really 686 00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:53,000 good fight too that night. Yeah. Yeah, I did see like a 687 00:40:53,599 --> 00:41:00,000 little bit of rounds. But you gotta understand that you have to be really 688 00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:04,880 really active. You can't just you have to be really really really active because 689 00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:08,440 would just box you and just move back and move and make the fight look 690 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:15,039 really decisive for him. So I feel like I felt like a lot of 691 00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:21,400 the points that he's fought, like Maxio, uh, you know, my 692 00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:25,400 taller ran out of gas, which I feel like Vargas took over. And 693 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,800 I feel like kind of same thing happening with nick Ball where he kind of 694 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,760 let off the gas a little bit and that was just enough for maybe to 695 00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:37,679 just you know, even not to score. But you know, everyone knows 696 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:44,239 me to have phrazy conditioning, So I feel like my conditioning would be the 697 00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:47,920 big difference maker if I were to fight, because I would be coming at 698 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,760 him the hotel rounds, and I feel like his team knows that out of 699 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,360 retired, you know, I have the record for throwing one hundred and fifty 700 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,360 five punches around. I'm really active, and that's the type of fighter you 701 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:05,400 got to be, especially to pet a champion like you gotta beyond him, 702 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,599 you gotta be on him. You got to be meticulous, and you can 703 00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:10,719 then fight his fight. You gotta make him fight your fight. So I 704 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:15,039 feel like it would be a very interesting fight. And like I said, 705 00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:20,599 we've been we've been keeping an eye on him for for quite a while, 706 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:25,960 so I don't know, if nothing past Jesse Magdaleno, Uh got to take 707 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,559 care of him first, and hopefully if God winning, everything was great, 708 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:35,239 I have my hand raised, and then then then I'll started touching my attention 709 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,760 towards you know, other potable points. So yeah, well, I figure 710 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,960 we're going to see a whole lot of punches being thrown by Brandon figure out 711 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,000 against Jess and Magdalena on May fourth. I wish you the best of luck 712 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,320 in that fight to look forward to seeing that matchup, and I wish you 713 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,119 good luck and that Thank you very much for your time today, sir. 714 00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:59,239 Thank you again. We are anxious to see him back in the ring. 715 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:04,119 This is part of the upcoming premiere Boxing Champions Amazon pay per view, the 716 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:10,320 Canelo main event. Figarola at one time a tremendous fight with Steven Fulton, 717 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,920 but it seems so long ago. I can't even keep that straight. But 718 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,679 now at least he's back in the ring and trying to get himself kind of 719 00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:19,440 like what we talked about earlier in the pod about Jose Ramirez, get back 720 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,760 in the ring, make yourself relevant again coming up. Yeah, I mean, 721 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,320 look, Figureo is one of the most exciting fighters in boxing. The 722 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,320 fight against Steven Fulton in November of twenty twenty one was a spectacular fight. 723 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,800 It was a unification fight could have gotten either way. Fulton got the win 724 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,960 with the majority decision. He ultimately lost the titles by a knockout to Noya 725 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,719 in a way, and if you listened to my interview with him, obviously 726 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,920 people heard him talking about his interest about having an inn AA fight at some 727 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:49,079 point in the featherweight division. But this is a is a good to have 728 00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:51,920 him back because after the Fulton fight, you know, like a lot of 729 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:57,440 guys like he fought, he come off a big win against Luisnary back before 730 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,480 the Fulton fight by knocked out nearly. Is the next guy get a chance 731 00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:02,760 to fight In a way, he then has the very close loss that could 732 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,079 have either you know, gone either way against Fulton. That was in twenty 733 00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:09,000 one. He fought us one time in twenty twenty two, that was when 734 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,760 he moved up to featherweight. Fought just one time in twenty twenty three, 735 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,280 which is a nice win on showtime against Mark Magsie who was a former WBC 736 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:21,360 champion. And then whatever momentum you get by the cash Show win, and 737 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,960 relatively speaking, the mcs I win was less than a year after that, 738 00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:29,239 so it wasn't like some crazy layoff. But now he hasn't fought for fourteen 739 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,480 months. When he gets in the ring on Saturday against Magdaleno, it's a 740 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:36,519 fourteen month layoff, and as a Josier Ramirez talked about in this post of 741 00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:38,280 interview, that's not a good look and it's not good for a fighter to 742 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,840 fight so infrequently, if you, you know, as long as you're not 743 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,840 injured and everything. So I will welcome seeing Brandon figure out back in. 744 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,079 He's one of my most excited, you know, one of the most exciting 745 00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:50,639 fighters around. And uh, we'll see and Magdaleno, I mean, he 746 00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:52,000 may have seen a little better days, but Magdaleno, you know, usually 747 00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:53,920 comes to fight off, So I think that's got a chance to be, 748 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,599 you know, a pretty darn good matchup on the pay per view undercard. 749 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,679 Good stuff, and again the Ray Fiel scene in Vegas, Clark County authorities 750 00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:05,599 notified you're going to be their ringside for that fight coming up with figure Roll 751 00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:07,639 on the undercart of Canelo and Mungia. All right, some news and then 752 00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:13,199 some excellent nostalgia. When we put this podcast to bed, we did not 753 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,320 know about this item. Kudos to Jake Donovan. I know you may have 754 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,840 had something about this too, but Jake Donovan had in depth. I was 755 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,960 reading it like a gossip page, like page six of the New York Post. 756 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:30,000 Here for Errol Spence and Derreck James. Man it has gone south. 757 00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:36,320 It has gone south over money, lawsuits flying. What's a few million dollars 758 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,639 among friends. Well, it's important if you are the trainer and the fighter 759 00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:43,480 that you're training, you believe is supposed to give you ten percent of his 760 00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:46,760 money. And we started arguing over what is actually ten percent of the money, 761 00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:52,000 and I got and the ten percent of the money is worth millions in 762 00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:54,960 the argument, So go ahead. They are fighting in court now, Derek 763 00:45:55,039 --> 00:45:59,159 James, the trainer Erol Spencer. So it's so unfortunate, and you can 764 00:45:59,199 --> 00:46:02,199 see shit like this coming a mile away. You know, they've been together 765 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,159 from day one. Remember Errol's dad basically brought Errol to the gym and he 766 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,599 was with Derek from you know, I think even back in his amateur career. 767 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,079 They've been a team forever, a good relationship for so long. But 768 00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:20,119 money does this. It's not the first time trainers and fighters have had arguments 769 00:46:20,159 --> 00:46:22,039 about money. Look, I'll let the courts figure that out. But here's 770 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,800 here's the gist of the problem Derek James has. You know. And by 771 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,880 the way, like fighters, trainers don't get paid til fight night, right, 772 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,119 So they go and they put a lot of time and effort into their 773 00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:37,079 fighters. They work their asses off like the fighters do, and it's time 774 00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:40,360 to when it's time to get paid. They obviously don't make what the fighters 775 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,800 make, but they're they're entitled to their share. So according to the way 776 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,119 the loss of reads, they have an agreement that he's supposed to get ten 777 00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:52,039 percent of whatever Arrol's purse is. As you said, what constitutes the purse? 778 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,920 Now, in reality, in boxing, there's a lot of different revenue 779 00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,880 comes from different places. Guys and gals put contract numbers on contracts, they're 780 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:07,400 not necessarily reflective of what their actual overall compensation for the event is. So 781 00:47:08,039 --> 00:47:12,519 Errol paid him three hundred and fifty thousand dollars for the Terrence Crawford fight, 782 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:19,800 but Spence's total compensation supposedly was like twenty five million dollars. So if you 783 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,000 do the math ten percent of twenty five million, and I'm no math expert, 784 00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:27,679 that's two and a half million, not three to fifty. Uh huh. 785 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,280 So in the spirit of the law or the spirit of the agreement, 786 00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:36,960 he should be getting two and a half million. In the technical aspect of 787 00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:44,360 the agreement, I guess the one percent guaranteed exactly the guaranteed money. But 788 00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:49,280 clearly Spence's playing games because he made way more money, and he should pay 789 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,000 the piper, is the point. Now. One of the things my all 790 00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:55,400 on my experience in covering boxing is that there's two ways. As it goes 791 00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:00,320 a lot of times, at least early on, the trainer gets ten percent 792 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,039 or whatever percent day grant, sometimes a little bit more, sometimes a little 793 00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:07,159 less. But ten percent's like basically been a historic threshold for decades and decades 794 00:48:07,159 --> 00:48:10,639 and decades. But when you get to a certain point where you're making that 795 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:16,000 kind of money, when you're making the twenty five twenty teny, then huge, 796 00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:21,360 huge money. Like when many Packet was making gargantua and purses, Freddie 797 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,760 Roach was not getting ten percent. Freddie Roach had his is a lawyer or 798 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,280 his agent. They negotiated a price with the pack out management and that's what 799 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:35,239 he got. It wasn't you know, you think if Banni pacyall made two 800 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,360 hundred million dollars for the Floyd Mayweather fight, he certainly wasn't getting twenty million 801 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,079 dollars. The problem is you have to have that laid out so everybody is 802 00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:45,599 on the same page. Now, it's one thing to make a deal and 803 00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:50,039 it's oral, and you're not talking about that much money. I mean it's 804 00:48:50,039 --> 00:48:52,920 probably still not great, but okay, whatever, when you get to that 805 00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:54,800 level of money, you really need to put that shit on paper. So 806 00:48:54,840 --> 00:49:00,920 there's just no dispute. What he wrote apart is what does the contracts say? 807 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,039 That's what you're boiling it down. There is no right and if there's 808 00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:07,880 not a contract, and that's a world so too verbal agreement. It depends 809 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,039 on you know, what's there in writing or what's not there in writing. 810 00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:13,199 So then now you look at the if you look at the example I have 811 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,400 I've read the lawsuit, is that you know there were some text exchanges about 812 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,800 the money. Yes, okay, so let me read from the complaint that's 813 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:27,239 out there that the James lawyer is putting in their filing the lawsuit that there 814 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,119 was a conversation, and there were text messages, and in the conversation, 815 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:36,840 I love this that mister Spence asserted someone named Al told him that paying mister 816 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,760 James three hundred and fifty thousand for the Crawford fight in exchange for his services 817 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:44,199 was generous, someone named Al. The complaint goes on to say, However, 818 00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:47,880 no one named Al was present when mister James and mister Spence originally entered 819 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,880 their agreement, nor was anyone named Al present when mister James provided training services 820 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:58,400 to mister Spence for his previous fights. Thus, any alleged reliance by mister 821 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:05,440 Spence on advice from someone name Al regard conversation is misplaced. I wonder who 822 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,880 the awl is? Is it? Al broke a song? You can call 823 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,920 me al right, you can call me Paul Simon, Paul Simon, you 824 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,840 can call me out with Chevy Chase playing the mock trumpet in the video. 825 00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:19,360 Very nice. It's not Alcan Murstein. It's not Al Gore, the former 826 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,719 vice president. I wonder who the Al is that he's that he's talking about. 827 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:30,639 But they they there's screen grabs of text messages where Errol Spancy is saying 828 00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:35,119 you should get the full two million, five hundred thousand dollars. So he's 829 00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:38,519 suing him for no less than five million because he asserts that besides money he's 830 00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:43,039 owed on the Crawford fight, I guess he's also owed for money on other 831 00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:45,880 fights as well. But listen here here's and again I don't have to be 832 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,320 a lawyer. I've been around boxing a long time. I've seen like this 833 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:55,880 happen. Obviously, getting ten percent of that kind of payday, probably he 834 00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,199 shouldn't get that much, but certainly three fifty he is bullshit money for that 835 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:05,280 kind of work, for that level of a fight. And clearly Errol Spence 836 00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:10,199 is kind of playing games with the with the technical language about what is quote 837 00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:14,960 unquote pursis he owes him more money. That's the bottom line. And I 838 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:20,039 don't look he with the text messages and you should pay him more. So 839 00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,079 I have no no you want me to say it, don't you want me 840 00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:25,559 to say it? What are we doing here? Exactly? The reality is 841 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:30,400 like I like Erol Spence as a human being. I like Derek James as 842 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,559 a human being. They're good guys in my opinion, and it's unfortunate that 843 00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:37,320 it comes to this, but there's no doubt in my mind. I'm not 844 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:42,280 sure what the fair number is, but absolutely Derek James is deserving of more 845 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,119 than three hundred and fifty thousand dollars off of a twenty five million dollar compensation, 846 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:51,000 and Erol Spence fucking knows that. And that's what's so disheartening. I'm 847 00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:53,320 sure that if he went to them without putting this out in public like this, 848 00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:59,400 if they were like men, they could have worked out like a real 849 00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:01,400 You know what this comes back to fact. You know what this comes back 850 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,519 to. Because I've been involved with this with you and with the duration of 851 00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:09,400 Premiere Boxing Champions, et cetera. You hear the fighters themselves over and over 852 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,880 again, whether it's the Charlos, whether it's Errol Spance, Deontay Wilder did 853 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,800 this before, Keith Thurman, on and on down the list. They constantly 854 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:22,519 make reference to someone name Al I'm just having fun. They constantly make reference 855 00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:27,320 to Al being Al Hayman telling them when they're gonna fight and for how much 856 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,960 they're gonna fight, and when is what? You know, when is it, 857 00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:35,039 who is it, where is it whatever? Uh So that's it's not 858 00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:38,440 surprising that that that's it was fun. It's not necessarily out Hayman. It 859 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:43,280 was just someone named someone name ow Come. Who that is is a mystery, 860 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,119 someone name ol. But I mean, look, this is not the 861 00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:51,800 first time. Go back and read up the history of the unfortunate breakup between 862 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,639 Sugar Ray Leonard and Angelo Dundee, and there's plenty of others that it's happened 863 00:52:54,639 --> 00:52:59,599 with, uh, you know, but it's it's it's brutal that it comes 864 00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:02,960 down to that, and obviously what happens it becomes even more problematic when it's 865 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,599 off of such a devastating loss. Well, here's what I would Here's what 866 00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:09,360 I would love to know because he was in Ryan Garcia's corner so last week 867 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,000 is so, what was his arrangement with Ryan Garcia? Is at the same 868 00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:15,960 ten percent arrangement? I would love to know what is the arrangement? And 869 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,679 I'm sure that Spence's lawyers are going to try to in discovery figure that out 870 00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:22,800 and point that out. But every deal t way now, Ryan Garcia had 871 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,599 been calling out Errol Spence to meet him at a a and they might do 872 00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:28,760 that fight. He was talking about moving up to one fifty four. You 873 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,840 want to talk about a storyline there of it would be Derek James training Ryan 874 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:37,320 Garcia Spence get me my money type of situation. Talk about a built in 875 00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:40,239 soap opera for that fight. All right, So stay tuned. The lawyers 876 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,440 are involved, and we'll see if they're going to get paid, that's for 877 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,159 sure. Yeah, the lawyers always get paid, all right. Hey, 878 00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:50,920 speaking of Ryan Garcia and speaking we did make mention of this. They've apparently 879 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,000 smooth things over at least for now. He and Oscar dal la Hoya. 880 00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:54,840 What day is it? What week is it? Hey, it's a new 881 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,480 month. Later this week they could be fighting again, but at least for 882 00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:02,280 right now as we release the recap pod, they have smooth things over and 883 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:07,320 the lawsuits are over at least for now. Right on the news, Yeah, 884 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,360 so exactly. Obviously, it was a big story when Golden Boy sued 885 00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:16,320 Ryan Garcia and his advisor Guadeloupe Valencia in an effort to have the Nevada Court, 886 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:24,079 the district Court uphold their promotional agreement legal tortious interference that they were interfering 887 00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:29,519 with the agreement with Golden Boy. That's what was being alleged interference being alleged, 888 00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,960 but they were alleging a breach of contract, not because they were being 889 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:37,079 interfered with, because they were suing the people that they were in the contract 890 00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:39,840 with. But what was happening, according to the lawsuit, was that Ryan 891 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:45,719 and his advisor were trying to make fights with other entities and other networks and 892 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:50,320 other fighters without involving Golden Boy Promotions, and they were the ones that had 893 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,280 the exclusive promotional rights, so they had gone through a series of mediation. 894 00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,840 And even while all this stuff was going on, and they were, you 895 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,719 know, affing each other left and right, Uh, they still did the 896 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:06,239 fight between Ryan and Duarte, even while all this was happening. Uh. 897 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:07,559 And then they also, while it was still happening, they were able to 898 00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:12,400 make the fight between Ryan and Devin Haney with having you know, still this 899 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,360 whole situation hanging everybody's everybody's head. As you watched the promotion of the Haini 900 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:21,360 fight unfold, it was very clear that there was a better situation between not 901 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,239 only Ryan and Oscar, but Ryan also and Bernard Hopkins, who was a 902 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:28,440 part of Golden Boy Promotions as well, to the extent where I remember seeing 903 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,280 at one point during like Ryan's workout that Oscar got into the ring and was 904 00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:36,280 tying his shoes. I mean, you know, so clearly they were they 905 00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,039 were able to be together on a on a at least, you know, 906 00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:43,000 man to man, face to face, and not let this interfere with everything. 907 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,480 And then the the Devin Haney fight took place. Obviously at Ryan got 908 00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:49,519 the big win despite all the chaos of the of the build up. As 909 00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:53,239 it turned out, on the last Wednesday, uh, they had had the 910 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:58,320 case dismissed, which means, you know, the judge in the case issued 911 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:04,719 a one page document, very short, dismissing the case against Ryan, dismissing 912 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,519 the case against Valencia. And so now apparently everything is honky dory, I 913 00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:13,719 mean until the next one. But you know what happen, which could be 914 00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,960 by the weekend or by the middle of May. But right now here this 915 00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:20,480 is this is this is the same thing you can say all the time, 916 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,000 the same way while the ugly heads rear themselves in the Arrow Spence loss, 917 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:29,400 it's the same way why shit gets moved over with the big Ryan Garcia win. 918 00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:31,880 When you win, it makes problems go away. Hey, man, 919 00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:37,559 food tastes better, you sleep better. Everybody likes each other winning cures. 920 00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:42,440 All right, two more quick items and some nostalgia. You have found out 921 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,679 about this WBO featherweight title defense for Raffia Espinoza. You keep saying and have 922 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:51,440 said to us, it's not gonna be the immediate rematch with robes c Ramirez 923 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,159 coming up in June, so give me more. So, like you said 924 00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:59,039 originally, when Robas and Espinosa had that fantastic fight of the year type fight 925 00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:01,400 that was as dramatic as it gets, and Espinoza comes out of nowhere and 926 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:07,760 wins the WBO featherweight title in a garganane to an upset just out of nowhere, 927 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:12,079 in just a tremendous battle that took place at the end of last year. 928 00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,039 The plan from Top Rank, who typically doesn't do immediate rematches if you 929 00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:19,440 look at the history of rematches that Top Rank has put on in all the 930 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,480 decades that they have put on boxing events, they usually don't do the rematch 931 00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:23,719 right away for whatever reason. In this particular case, they were gung ho 932 00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:28,800 and game to do the rematch. Ramirez wanted the rematch right away, but 933 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,119 as it was explained to me, this is going back a few months ago 934 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:34,039 that it was Espinos and his team that were like, listen, we would 935 00:57:34,039 --> 00:57:37,400 like to do one fight first. So Top Rank said, okay, that's 936 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,679 not a surprise. Ramirez is already being lined up for his intern fight on 937 00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:45,320 June twenty ninth. If everything gets settled, he'll fight somebody. It'll be 938 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,239 on the undercard when tia Fimo Lopez fights Steve Klaggett in a Junior World up 939 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,880 or eight defense that's going to take place June twenty ninth in Miami. They 940 00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,800 haven't announced that fight yet, but that's what's on the planning stages. But 941 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:59,960 the week before that, now you'll have Espinoza getting his intern fight. No 942 00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:04,679 opponent just yet, but the plan is if he wins June twenty one at 943 00:58:04,679 --> 00:58:08,599 the Fontaine Blue in Las Vegas and Robas Ramirez wins his fight June twenty ninth 944 00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:13,679 in Miami, they will have their rematch sometime in the later part of this 945 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,480 year. And two, even though it doesn't mention the names, what sort 946 00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,519 of backs up my reporting is that if you take a look at the Nevada 947 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,559 Commission agenda for the upcoming meeting that's going to take place this coming week, 948 00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:30,360 where They're going to go through their normal monthly staff, including appointing the officials 949 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,320 that are going to work the title fights on the Canelo and Mongia kart. 950 00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:36,480 One of the requests, you know, every promoter, if you want to 951 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,800 do a boxing match or any kind of combat event in the state of Nevada, 952 00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:42,320 you have to request the date from the commission. They have to approve 953 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,559 it. So one of the date requests is June twenty first for Top Rank, 954 00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:49,760 which is the day for this fight that supposedly will include Rafael Espino's in 955 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,000 the main event. And the other one that will that I'll mention also that 956 00:58:52,039 --> 00:58:59,840 you alluded to, is that there's another another regenda request for July thirteenth. 957 00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:02,679 Other top rank requests I am told for that event that is ticketed for the 958 00:59:02,719 --> 00:59:07,639 Palms in Las Vegas and other one of the smaller casinos that they're looking to 959 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:08,960 do on that fight card. Again, no opponent, but the main event, 960 00:59:09,639 --> 00:59:13,400 if they can line somebody up, will be the return of the unified 961 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,360 middleweight titlelder janebec Alum Cannolly to defend his belts against somebody. Now I don't 962 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:21,000 know who he's gonna fight, but one thing that's interesting, and I don't 963 00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:23,360 know if it's related to this agenda item in the prospect of them trying to 964 00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:28,280 line up a fight for Jenebec is that you've had the WBC's interim champion, 965 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,760 Carlos Damas, who has been mired in inactivity. One of the worst situations 966 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:36,000 I've ever seen. A fresh guy, a healthy guy, just coming off 967 00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:38,000 some you know, good wins and some exciting fights, et cetera. He's 968 00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:40,440 a PBC fighter, just cannot get in the ring right now. I don't 969 00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,360 know why they have. I figured he'd be on one of these first couple 970 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,440 of cards, so him and Jennebeck were going back and forth on their social 971 00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,679 about bringing on I mean, that's a hell of a middleweight fight, whatever 972 00:59:49,719 --> 00:59:52,519 the title situation is. But I mean they're like too at least interesting fighters 973 00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:59,760 and in otherwise I recently today today is we're taping the podcast. It's a 974 01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:04,320 the twenty eighth of twenty twenty four, and Jamal Charlow is still not stripped 975 01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,400 of the WBC middleweight championship that should have long ago been given to Carlos Adamis 976 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,639 to make a title defense as their world champion, and it still hasn't happened 977 01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:15,000 yet, and he's been on He's been in moth ball since last June, 978 01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:17,800 right, I can assure you yeah. And even when he fought in June, 979 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,800 it wasn't even a title defense. He fought it like once it was 980 01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,239 the four. It was like, well, I thought it was the Hannim 981 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,199 title, but whatever, he has No, he was over the weight. 982 01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:29,000 He hasn't fought since last June. So I assure you of this, and 983 01:00:29,039 --> 01:00:30,960 I don't know what the response will be. I am sure that when I'm 984 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:36,480 in Las Vegas to be at the Canelo Mongia festivities, that my good friend 985 01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:38,960 Mauricio Suliman will be there. Obviously, this is a big time undisputed fight 986 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,760 in Mauricio is the president of the WBC. Not only that, but they've 987 01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,639 got other activities on that card, including the Brandon Figureoa fight that you know. 988 01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:51,360 Politely and directly, I will ask Mauricio for an update. I said, 989 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,519 listen, Maricio, what is going on here? The Middleway title of 990 01:00:53,599 --> 01:01:00,280 the WBC has not been defended in literally three years, that's correct, and 991 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,519 a Dominis. But again, even if they were to elevate a Damas and 992 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:07,280 make Charlotte either in recess or strip him or whatever they're caught. That still 993 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:12,039 does not that's that's a side problem that does not help Adamas get into the 994 01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:14,800 boxing room. So him and Jann and at calling each other. I have 995 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,519 no idea if that's something that sounds like to me. He might have a 996 01:01:16,519 --> 01:01:21,599 problem with someone named Al getting him a fight right now because he's been on 997 01:01:21,639 --> 01:01:25,519 the plan apparent all the money the opponent or whatever hasn't worked for eight months 998 01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:30,639 nine months now. One thing about PBC is because they have such a lack 999 01:01:30,679 --> 01:01:34,840 of dates at the moment with the let's call it a slow start to the 1000 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,320 Amazon deal. Uh, the two the fights that they've done so far are 1001 01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:42,679 all pay per views. Maybe they're thinking about adding a Domas to the to 1002 01:01:42,719 --> 01:01:45,440 the Tank Davis card in June. But I'll say this, they have been 1003 01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,760 getting some of their other fighters abouts on other fights, on other other cards. 1004 01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,360 They've had a couple of guys fight on to keep not championship top guys, 1005 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,960 to keep them busier on some smaller cards where they find them out. 1006 01:01:55,199 --> 01:01:59,400 And by the way, Rancis Spartello me, that fought Josy Rimirez that didn't 1007 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,079 just materialize, that a thin air that was PBC making a deal to have 1008 01:02:02,159 --> 01:02:05,840 Barthellmy fight on a Golden Boy part, which is even more of a surprise 1009 01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,519 given the terrible relationship that those companies have had for a very long time. 1010 01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:14,599 So maybe there's a chance that they could go get get a Damas to fight 1011 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,800 Janebec. That's a great fight. I mean, the middleweight division kind of 1012 01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:22,000 suck you right now, but if you're going to make something interesting, that's 1013 01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:23,119 probably a bout as good of a fight as you can make right now. 1014 01:02:23,159 --> 01:02:28,159 I mean, besides the excellent five on five fight that's not a title fight, 1015 01:02:28,159 --> 01:02:31,559 but that's the Shiraz fight against Amma Williams. But on the top level, 1016 01:02:32,199 --> 01:02:35,519 you know, again, it could happened who that knows, but we'll 1017 01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:37,719 see. But the point is, whoever he fights Jannebec is at least penciled 1018 01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:42,320 in for that date in July, July thirteenth, it looks like is the 1019 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,199 date at least they're talking about right now. All right, nostalgia and then 1020 01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:46,880 we are done. We've been here for a little bit. Twenty one years 1021 01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:52,000 ago, Friday April twenty six, this past Friday, two thousand and three, 1022 01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:54,559 what was the fight of the year, Lights out, Tony and Vasilli 1023 01:02:54,679 --> 01:03:00,920 you're off for the IBF cruiserweight title. You were ringsaw, it says on 1024 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:06,239 my rundown. Maybe the best cruiserweight title fight ever. All right, add 1025 01:03:06,239 --> 01:03:07,800 to the hyperbole league. What else do you got a little bit of competition 1026 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,039 there? Because I mean, you can't, you can't. There's other fights 1027 01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:14,599 that have been superb in that weight class. The one that comes to mind 1028 01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:17,159 first and foremost, of course, is one of the last great fifteen round 1029 01:03:17,159 --> 01:03:21,679 fights in boxing history on a live ABC in the afternoon. This is when 1030 01:03:21,679 --> 01:03:24,920 Evander Holyfield was just a young pup coming up and won his first world title 1031 01:03:25,519 --> 01:03:30,599 against a fellow Hall of Famer Dwight Mohammad Kawi, and it's fifteen round shootout, 1032 01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:35,679 just spectacular back and forth back in the days when it was referred to 1033 01:03:35,719 --> 01:03:39,639 as the WBA Junior Heavyweight title. But it is cruiser weights. They put 1034 01:03:39,639 --> 01:03:42,960 on a spectacular fight. There's been some others if you take a look at 1035 01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,199 like I think it was like ownel Bell against John Mark Mormeck one of their 1036 01:03:45,239 --> 01:03:50,000 two fights. But James Tony and Vacility Jiroff is a spectacular fight. I 1037 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,039 mean, James, you know it was always a good boxer, but he 1038 01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:54,800 never had a problem to get into a slugging match. Jiroff when it was 1039 01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,639 Olympic gold medalist, was the val Barker winner in the Olympics, mean like 1040 01:03:58,719 --> 01:04:01,440 the MVP of the Olympic tournament when he won his gold medal, and was 1041 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,679 you know, one of the best cruiserweights in the sport for quite a number 1042 01:04:04,719 --> 01:04:08,960 of years. Closed the distinction of that. Havin the first and this is 1043 01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,679 prior to the Tony fight. The first ever cruiserweight mad featured as a cruiserweight 1044 01:04:13,679 --> 01:04:17,719 title fight on HBO back years ago. So these were two accomplished and very 1045 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,480 significant fighters of their time, and they put this fight together. And like 1046 01:04:21,519 --> 01:04:26,079 you said, the BWAA voted as the fight of the Air Force, was 1047 01:04:26,119 --> 01:04:30,440 a two thousand and three spectacular fight. I was very fortunate to be ringsided. 1048 01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:34,079 It actually happened on the weekend of the Boxing Writers Association of America Awards 1049 01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:38,119 dinner that took place in New York, and I can remember very distinctly getting 1050 01:04:38,159 --> 01:04:42,639 in the car after the dinner late that night on the Friday, driving with 1051 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,199 my dear friend Bill Kaplan, the great publicist, from New York City to 1052 01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,639 Connecticut, getting the Connecticut, like three o'clock, four o'clock in the morning, 1053 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,159 going to sleep, sleeping in, and then going to cover the fight 1054 01:04:53,199 --> 01:04:57,920 the next day, and they produce an all time classic. Jeeroff put put 1055 01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,760 a lot of punishment on Tony and Tony Tony Put did just the same. 1056 01:05:00,119 --> 01:05:03,199 Most of us at ringside, the HBO scores thought it was a super close 1057 01:05:03,239 --> 01:05:05,760 fight. Matter of fact, when it was over, the late great Harold 1058 01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:10,119 Letterman had a draw one thirteen to one thirteen. Everybody I was with that 1059 01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:13,639 ringside had it close, but it turned out to be a much wider decision 1060 01:05:13,679 --> 01:05:15,960 in favor of James Tony. But going into that last round, Freddie roach 1061 01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:19,280 his trainer and you can hear it on the audio, very stinkly, you 1062 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:24,239 know, you got to put him on his ass, and James Tony obeyed 1063 01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,679 the order and went out there and put Jerov on his ass in the twelfth 1064 01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,840 round. FIP. Maybe that sows it up. And again, if you're 1065 01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,199 watching the broadcast, you hear one of the most finat you know, just 1066 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:36,639 animated wild calls from the late great Emanuel Stewart, who was doing the commentary 1067 01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:41,760 on HBO that night with Jim Lampley, and this is a funny story as 1068 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,400 great of a fight. It was taking place in the small fox Theater at 1069 01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,000 the fox Woods Restory, real small room only holes, like I don't know, 1070 01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,960 maybe like fifteen hundred people. It was pretty small, very very weak 1071 01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:54,320 crowd in terms of not the number of people, but just the They weren't 1072 01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,119 excited. There was not a lot of noise. So where we were sitting 1073 01:05:57,159 --> 01:06:02,280 behind the HBO announcers at ringside in our press seats, you could hear what 1074 01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:06,039 they were saying. So I could hear erl Letterman give his score when he 1075 01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:09,920 would tell Jim Lampley when he was asked what the score is. You could 1076 01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:14,679 hear Emmanuel losing his shit when James you know, knocked yourof down in the 1077 01:06:14,679 --> 01:06:17,119 twelfth round. So but it was a great, great fight, and it 1078 01:06:17,199 --> 01:06:20,400 launched Tony because he never defended the gurzerweight title that was at that point. 1079 01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:24,280 He went up to the heavyweight and had a whole series of significant fights in 1080 01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:28,159 that weight class, including the next fight when he defeated Vander Holyfield. He 1081 01:06:28,239 --> 01:06:31,280 ended up becoming the Fighter of the Year because of that. But that was 1082 01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:33,840 a great fight. I loved it. One of them was just an absolutely 1083 01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:39,280 spectacular fight. All right, So go back and relive that Peeps Savages on 1084 01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,960 YouTube. That is Tony and you're off from two thousand and fourty, you're 1085 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,559 off with the JJ, you're off with the jed. Well sometimes sometimes they 1086 01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:51,880 do the He's not one of don't say the J type thing. All right, 1087 01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,639 twenty four years ago tomorrow Monday, as we released the podcast April twenty 1088 01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,199 nine of two thousand, you have made reference to this fight, even reference 1089 01:07:00,679 --> 01:07:06,199 recently Lenox Lewis destroyed Michael Grant in two rounds to retain the heavyweight title. 1090 01:07:06,199 --> 01:07:10,840 We talked a lot about Lenox Lewis recently with the anniversaries that always seemed to 1091 01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:15,039 be fighting in April in heavyweight title defenses, in and around high Seam Rock 1092 01:07:15,079 --> 01:07:19,360 Moant a couple of times, and now this anniversary. But this has significance 1093 01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:24,639 because you were at ringside for the first time full time for USA today as 1094 01:07:24,679 --> 01:07:28,639 the boxing rid Right, Yeah, this is one of the most significant fights 1095 01:07:28,679 --> 01:07:30,920 for me. I can't you know, it was not much of a fight. 1096 01:07:30,239 --> 01:07:32,519 Lenox, you know, went out there and destroyed him. It was 1097 01:07:32,519 --> 01:07:35,199 like, I forget who said this, but it was almost like Michael Grant 1098 01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:39,920 decided to just walk into the propeller of the airplane, you know, and 1099 01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,760 got just cut down, got dropped three times in the first round, and 1100 01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,639 then got destroyed with an uppercut in the second round. But for me, 1101 01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:53,119 it was an extraordinarily meaningful fight and weak because it was the I had started. 1102 01:07:53,239 --> 01:07:55,960 This was April twenty ninth, Like you said, I had started my 1103 01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:59,960 job at USA Today as the boxing writer in the later part, in like 1104 01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:02,920 middle of March, so a month six weeks before this. This was the 1105 01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,239 first time in that six weeks and I was in the office, I was 1106 01:08:05,239 --> 01:08:08,519 writing, I was you know, getting to know people in the business, 1107 01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:10,960 you know, talking to people on the telephone, et cetera. But this 1108 01:08:11,159 --> 01:08:15,439 was the first time since joining USA Today as their full time reporter that I 1109 01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,880 was sent on the road to go cover a fight week. So I went 1110 01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,760 to New York for the fight like you know, Tuesday or Wednesday. And 1111 01:08:21,039 --> 01:08:25,159 it was at that fight week where I met a lot of people for the 1112 01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:28,560 very first time in person, people, you know. Manuel Stewart, for 1113 01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,039 one, who I still always remember, had seen the boxing rankings that we 1114 01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:34,720 had created for USA Today that had run in the newspaper I think a few 1115 01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:38,960 days before I got to New York for this fight, and being introduced to 1116 01:08:39,039 --> 01:08:42,279 him at the workout and him giving me a big hug because he was throwing. 1117 01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:45,600 So thrilled that the national newspaper was paying attention to boxing once again. 1118 01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:49,199 I had spoken to Emanuel Presaly on the phone and done a story about something 1119 01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:51,680 to do with Tommy Hearns. But it's the first time I had met him 1120 01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,640 in person, saying, meeting Lennox, Lewis and all the other guys on 1121 01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,079 the cart. Vladimir Klitschko first time I met him, he was fighting on 1122 01:08:58,079 --> 01:09:01,439 this undercard against David Bosts. This is well before he was the heavyweight champion. 1123 01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:05,239 Obviously, I think even that far back, there was the Grain and 1124 01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:09,319 the Colonel. In people's minds, it's someday a big heavyweight fight. It 1125 01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:13,760 ultimately never happened would be Lenox against Vladimir Klitschko. The only place that happened 1126 01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:17,119 was on the screen of Ocean's eleven. Lenox ended up fighting his brother of 1127 01:09:17,159 --> 01:09:21,600 Italiana in a past fight. But you know, you also had a Junior 1128 01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:28,159 Jones against Paul Ingle in a featherweight world title fight on this car and Arturro 1129 01:09:28,239 --> 01:09:30,800 Gotti, you know, fought on this undercard. Also for time I ever 1130 01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:32,239 met ar Gotti, So I mean, it was that kind of show. 1131 01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:38,039 So I have so many just incredible memories of that fight week. I remember 1132 01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:42,359 going home and talking to my mother a few days after I had covered this 1133 01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:44,960 fight in New York, and she asked me, like how it was, 1134 01:09:45,039 --> 01:09:46,199 what happened, like, you know, she didn't like boxing, which was 1135 01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:48,880 sort of interested in like how it went for me. So she asked me, 1136 01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:50,439 like, well, what happened in the fight. So I explained to 1137 01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,920 her that Lennox Lewis, you know, knocked out Michael Grant in the second 1138 01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:57,600 round to retain the heavyweight title. She said, the second round. I 1139 01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,680 said, you went all the way to New York for like four or five 1140 01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:01,199 days and knocked them out in the second round. And it was at that 1141 01:10:01,239 --> 01:10:04,640 point I had to explain to mom that boxing it you can't You don't know 1142 01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:08,000 how long that's gonna go. Could go one, it could go twelve or 1143 01:10:08,039 --> 01:10:10,479 somewhere in the middle. It's how it goes. It's not about that, 1144 01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:14,680 it's about all the same. You're guaranteed nine innings, mom, Football four 1145 01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,520 quarters fifteen minutes each thing. It can be over in the first round. 1146 01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,399 You never know. Yeah, could think that that was twenty four years ago. 1147 01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:24,640 That was like I had I had started a little before that. But 1148 01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:28,520 for me, in my mind, that's one of the biggest things I ever 1149 01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,720 covered, because it wasn't like when I was going out on the road from 1150 01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:34,960 my first event that they gave me like some little drinking, dank fight in 1151 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:39,520 a ballroom, you know, for a Featherway title. They were like, 1152 01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:43,279 no, hey, kid, go to Madison Square Garden cover that nWay Championship 1153 01:10:43,279 --> 01:10:46,399 of the World for the largest newspaper in the country. So it was like 1154 01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:49,680 a really it was a really big dal deal for me, huge deal, 1155 01:10:50,399 --> 01:10:56,640 all right. On the same April twenty ninth, Fast forward seventeen years April 1156 01:10:56,680 --> 01:11:01,399 twenty nine, twenty seventeen, you were ringside and you've talked about this seven 1157 01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,560 years ago, but seventeen years after that fight. Oh yeah, I didn't 1158 01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:09,479 say it correctly. So moving forward April twenty nine, twenty seventeen, seven 1159 01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:13,880 years ago, Anthony Joshua Vladimir Klitchkow and you were even talking about this back 1160 01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:19,600 on the Friday Pod in in Flitchkow's big reign about his last win being against 1161 01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:24,520 Brian Jennings. This turns out right now to be his last fight, as 1162 01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:28,159 it turns out one an atmosphere at Wimbley Stadium, Relive it one more time 1163 01:11:28,199 --> 01:11:33,399 for us in the Nostalgia Anthony Joshua Vladimir Clitcho ninety thousand right at Wimbley. 1164 01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:39,039 Wow. I mean, the only word that can describe it is incredible. 1165 01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:43,760 I've covered a lot of events in my life, boxing and otherwise. I've 1166 01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:45,720 been into the World Series as a fan. I've been to you know, 1167 01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:50,119 NFL games and college basketball games and you know, obviously huge amounts of boxing 1168 01:11:50,119 --> 01:11:54,159 matches. First off, I've never been in a crowd that big before. 1169 01:11:54,199 --> 01:11:56,760 I've never been to like, you know, a big one hundred thousand seater 1170 01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:00,640 in a college football game. The biggest crowd I've ever I had ever been 1171 01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:04,319 to for a boxing event prior to going to see Joshua versus Pisco was probably 1172 01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:10,640 I don't know, thirty something thousand in that bump in that range. Oscar 1173 01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,920 dal La Hoya fought at the Soccer Stadium in Los Angeles against Stevie Forbes had 1174 01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:19,520 like thirty something thousand, you know, Miguel Koto at Faddy Yankee Stadium against 1175 01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:24,840 Zeri Forman. There was probably about thirty thousand, so I post this. 1176 01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:29,239 Obviously I covered Canelo Alvarez at the Houston then it made stadium had some kind 1177 01:12:29,239 --> 01:12:31,520 of huge crowd. I had covered, you know, fifty thousand type cards 1178 01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:38,560 at Cowboys Stadium with Manny Pacaw ninety thousand. Is just like it was just 1179 01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,760 amazing. The entire fight we was spectacular. And actually it's funny because in 1180 01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:46,359 the after Vladimir retired, I actually we had a conversation one time to think 1181 01:12:46,399 --> 01:12:49,079 that the first time we had ever met, and I had become close and 1182 01:12:49,119 --> 01:12:54,399 friendly with Vladimir over the years, that the first time I had met him 1183 01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:58,159 was in that fight week twenty four years ago where he's a young prospect, 1184 01:12:58,199 --> 01:13:00,479 you know, gold medal winner, but you know who what was going to 1185 01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,039 become of his career to meet him as a young fighter on that fight week, 1186 01:13:03,239 --> 01:13:05,600 and then, like you said, fast forward all those years later and 1187 01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:09,920 here he is as the towering figure as the former heavyweight champ, one of 1188 01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:15,239 the all time greats Lock Hall of Famer, challenging Anthony Joshua for the IBF 1189 01:13:15,239 --> 01:13:18,399 title as well as the vacant WBA title and putting on a sensational fight that 1190 01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,840 was the twenty seventeen fight of the year. Besides the atmosphere in the Great 1191 01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:26,000 Fight Week, the fight fucking delivered. I mean its way better than anybody 1192 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:30,039 thought it was gonna be. And and Clitchkow hurt Joshua early in the fight, 1193 01:13:30,119 --> 01:13:32,560 the conquering hero, and now we got Drauma. He didn't just hurt 1194 01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,439 him, he knocked him on his ass in the fifth round, and he 1195 01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:38,560 was probably within a bunch or two, like as they say, a whisker 1196 01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:45,039 away from stopping Anthony Joshua and becoming the champion once again. That fight at 1197 01:13:45,079 --> 01:13:48,960 everything you possibly want, the atmosphere, big stakes, big names, a 1198 01:13:49,039 --> 01:13:53,039 great fight, literally one of the greatest heavyweight fights I have ever covered. 1199 01:13:53,039 --> 01:13:56,159 I've said this plenty of times. Had that moment when that fight ended, 1200 01:13:56,159 --> 01:14:00,000 that was the best heavyweight fight I had ever covered, trumping the tally Clitch 1201 01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,680 Goo against lennyx Lewis as the best one previous and that was many many years 1202 01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,520 before that. Now, I must be honest, and we talked about this, 1203 01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:10,640 I would say if I was making my true all time heavyweight title fight, 1204 01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,800 with know where you're going now, Yeah, I have to put the 1205 01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:18,920 third fight between the Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder ahead of that, but that 1206 01:14:19,039 --> 01:14:24,720 does not change the fact that this was a tremendous battle in a great atmosphere. 1207 01:14:25,119 --> 01:14:29,520 And to see when you've seen ninety thousand people at Wembley stating for a 1208 01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:34,279 boxing match and you're sitting like four feet from the ring, I don't know 1209 01:14:34,319 --> 01:14:36,880 if I can ever go cover something bigger than that, right, you know 1210 01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,920 what I mean? Like, have I reached my Is that going to be 1211 01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:45,479 the apex of my entire boxing career in terms of that type of atmosphere, 1212 01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,119 that type of fight. Speaking of Canelo, because you'll be there later this 1213 01:14:48,199 --> 01:14:54,159 week. You were at his record breaking indoor attendance fight with Billy Joe Saunders, 1214 01:14:54,199 --> 01:14:57,680 which was three years ago at at and T Stayedium the head over seventy 1215 01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:00,359 thousand, So that's comparable. But it's not nice, and it's not the 1216 01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,680 fans outside not the same way. They're different in their own regard. In 1217 01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:09,039 all due respect to all the big Canelo fights and Pacyao and Floyd and this 1218 01:15:09,079 --> 01:15:15,359 and that, this was still the heavyweight titles and this was still the great, 1219 01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,560 you know, revered even though Agent Klitchko against the guy who at that 1220 01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:24,680 moment was undefeated and was, you know, the superstar of the President, 1221 01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,520 who was able to put all those asses in those seats, who was just 1222 01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,119 a massive, massive superstar. And I remember we've talked about this before, 1223 01:15:30,319 --> 01:15:33,680 is like on the Tuesday, I guess of the fight week of you know, 1224 01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:38,039 and I've explained how the Brits would have separate interview sessions with the American 1225 01:15:38,079 --> 01:15:41,239 media and the British media of being there with my buddy Lance Plugmyer, who 1226 01:15:41,239 --> 01:15:44,279 at the time was still running boxing for the La Times. There was actually 1227 01:15:44,279 --> 01:15:46,960 several American journalists that made the trip to cover this fight, but Lance and 1228 01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,520 I got there a bit earlier than the other guys, and they had done 1229 01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:54,319 the British media thing with Anthony in the dressing room before he did his workout, 1230 01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:56,840 and it lasted quite a while. We were worried we were gonna get 1231 01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:00,000 a stout and not get any time, but we both needed stuff from from 1232 01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:02,439 Joshua because we didn't have anything. But sure enough it ended and they were 1233 01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:04,520 running late on the workout and they were like, come on in, and 1234 01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:09,199 it was it was Rayfhael pug Meyer, Joshua, Eddie Hearn and like one 1235 01:16:09,199 --> 01:16:11,399 of Joshua's buddies, and they gave us like a half an hour with him, 1236 01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,000 and it was one of the greatest sit down interviews I ever had. 1237 01:16:14,039 --> 01:16:17,680 He was so cool, so chill, and he did throw that mock jab 1238 01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,560 at me that missed my chin by about half an inch and I almost died 1239 01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:24,199 because I thought I was about to get knocked up by Anthony Joshua. But 1240 01:16:24,319 --> 01:16:28,079 so there's so many moments of that fight week that were just amazing, and 1241 01:16:28,119 --> 01:16:30,359 then to have the fight be what it was, it was a great fight, 1242 01:16:30,039 --> 01:16:32,560 but I'm a fight of the ear. I don't want to accept that's 1243 01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:36,560 moving on to seven years ago now for Joshua, who's still knocking around, 1244 01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,840 and that's the last time we've seen Vladimir Klitchik go. All right, great 1245 01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:43,800 nostalgia. One more nostalgic item. I saw this on your social media. 1246 01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:48,359 You are beaming as we do the podcast because the poster is now part of 1247 01:16:48,359 --> 01:16:55,000 the Rayfield collection from the Super Fight Sugar Ray Leonard Tommy or A Sugar by 1248 01:16:55,079 --> 01:16:59,680 Leard Marvin Hagler. You were talking about this when we talked about the anniversary 1249 01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,840 early this month. You have the fight poster, and you started to give 1250 01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,880 me the details on straightening it out and how what you do, and I 1251 01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:11,239 said, wait, do this on the podcast. Tell me what you've been 1252 01:17:11,239 --> 01:17:15,039 doing, because you've you've acquired, you've major transaction, You've gotten the Leonard 1253 01:17:15,119 --> 01:17:18,880 Hagler Super Fight poster. Go. So you mentioned this, Well, the 1254 01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,720 reason why you're bringing this up is because you said, before we started taping 1255 01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:25,960 this, you saw on my social that I had posted a picture of it 1256 01:17:26,279 --> 01:17:28,600 that you finally got. I said, well, actually got it like about 1257 01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:30,479 a week ago, but I didn't post a picture because when I got it, 1258 01:17:30,359 --> 01:17:33,520 it was in beautiful, beautiful condition, but it was still a roll. 1259 01:17:34,039 --> 01:17:36,640 So even though it looked awesome in the corners and the and the edges, 1260 01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:40,640 everything was good, I got to flat it out because otherwise I can't 1261 01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:44,600 take a picture of it. So I have my like my routine, like 1262 01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:46,319 the way that I do things. If you get a poster that's not flat, 1263 01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:50,560 I clear off a portion of my dining room table and I lay it 1264 01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:55,720 down flat one side, and I put like plates and shit and boxes on 1265 01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:58,239 it to flatten it out, and then it when it's still cruled. When 1266 01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:00,800 I remove them, I turn it over and flat out the other way, 1267 01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,479 and then I roll it up the other direction very carefully obviously, and so 1268 01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,920 now it was finally flat enough for me to be able to put it down 1269 01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:11,319 on the floor. You're getting to warn missus Rayfhaeld and young Rayfield, do 1270 01:18:11,359 --> 01:18:14,239 not put a drink down on this poster on the dining room table. We 1271 01:18:14,279 --> 01:18:16,720 can well they know that ring no drink rings on the post. Drink exactly, 1272 01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:20,079 yes, because like many people like the dining room. We will dine 1273 01:18:20,199 --> 01:18:24,159 in the dining room on special occasions. Most of the time we're just in 1274 01:18:24,199 --> 01:18:27,319 the kitchen, so I have free rein of the table in there too. 1275 01:18:27,319 --> 01:18:30,000 It's the flattening poster area. And now it was flat enough for me to 1276 01:18:30,039 --> 01:18:33,199 take the photo and post on my social But the thing about it is that's 1277 01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:36,439 a hard fucking poster to find a nice shape. All those a lot of 1278 01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:40,560 those Caesars posters from the eighties. So that was for whatever reason, that 1279 01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:45,359 was one that's been on my list for a long time and I finally have 1280 01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,840 nailed it down. Uh. And as we've talked about, one of my 1281 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:54,680 crazy lunatic collecting goals is this is not like the bug poster or the sponsor. 1282 01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,960 So I'm talking about the official site poster. So what I'm trying to 1283 01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:03,840 strive for is site posters ticket perhaps credential from all nine of the four Kings 1284 01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:08,760 fights. And so this was a poster that goes a long way to ticking 1285 01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:12,600 off that checklist. That so was a few things to go. But that's 1286 01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,560 been my long term collecting goal for a long time, and I look for 1287 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,079 them in the top condition and now we finally have that post check check the 1288 01:19:18,079 --> 01:19:23,000 super fight off the list. Leonard Hackler, Yes, sir, congrats And 1289 01:19:23,039 --> 01:19:26,920 by the way, I've gone the entire podcast and did not bring it up. 1290 01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,039 You were texting me that you were at the science Fair. We did 1291 01:19:30,039 --> 01:19:33,960 talk about young Rayfield Science Fair. All went well with his project and the 1292 01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:38,039 science fair. Just real quick as we wrap it here, all good from 1293 01:19:38,079 --> 01:19:40,000 the science fairs. We come off the weekend. It's got to be part 1294 01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,279 of the recap. All good. Well, we did preview the science fair, 1295 01:19:43,279 --> 01:19:45,479 so I guess we got to recap the science fair. Science Fair was 1296 01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:46,760 a big success. The kids all did a great job. This was a 1297 01:19:47,239 --> 01:19:51,399 fifth grade science fair. He and his partner did their project, and they 1298 01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,560 did a great job. And all the kids there was a lot of I 1299 01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:57,640 actually spent some time besides just hanging out with his area and looking at his 1300 01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:00,600 and talking to the other parents that came to look at his product. I 1301 01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,960 went and looked at the other kids. A lot of things on on the 1302 01:20:03,199 --> 01:20:08,319 eclipse, a lot of things on global warming, a lot of things on 1303 01:20:09,239 --> 01:20:13,479 I saw stuff on water, lightning, volcanoes. It's all kinds of good 1304 01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:16,159 stuff. Love it from the Science Fair. So we've covered all bases. 1305 01:20:16,279 --> 01:20:19,840 And another friendly reminder, it is Canelo Fight week. You are headed out 1306 01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:25,039 to Vegas Clark County authorities. Beware, by the way, as we already 1307 01:20:25,039 --> 01:20:27,960 made mentioned when we were here, get in trouble TJ I know, I'm 1308 01:20:28,359 --> 01:20:30,600 I'm just saying that you you know, you know, you're you're somebody that 1309 01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:33,720 they should know that's in the area. Roll the red carpet out for the 1310 01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,239 man. We're all that's gonna happen with Canelo and Mongee. And by the 1311 01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:40,439 way, you heard from Brandon Figarola earlier on this podcast. Again, utilize 1312 01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:44,399 our friends at PPV dot com. Purchase the pay per view with no long 1313 01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:48,239 term subscription obligation six months much less a year obligation by whatever you like with 1314 01:20:48,279 --> 01:20:51,279 PPV dot com and we'll tell you more about that. This fight week goes 1315 01:20:51,319 --> 01:20:56,479 on. With that, we've recapped it all the Jose Ramirez win headlining the 1316 01:20:56,479 --> 01:21:00,079 Golden Boys show, all the fight news. Then Estyn, great stuff. 1317 01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,479 Are you ready to head to Vegas for Canelo Week? You good? I'm 1318 01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:05,359 good. Yeah, I'm ready to go. Baby, be good to get 1319 01:21:05,359 --> 01:21:08,039 back on the road. All right, there we go. He will be 1320 01:21:08,079 --> 01:21:12,239 there later this week. We'll check in with him on the preview pod for 1321 01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:15,840 Canelo and Mongie. It's Canello fight week for Cinco de Mayo weekend. With 1322 01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:17,960 that, Dan, have a good week, say it travels out to Vegas, 1323 01:21:18,039 --> 01:21:21,439 my friend you two, sir, I am merely TJ Reeves. Thank 1324 01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:25,880 you for being with us. We come off the weekend with the fight breaks 1325 01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,880 you Unite Recap podcast, follow and subscribe on this podcast feed to get all 1326 01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,199 of our content, and we thank you for being with us. For Dan 1327 01:21:32,279 --> 01:21:35,039 Raypael, I'm merely TJ Reeves. Thank you for finding us on the fight 1328 01:21:35,079 --> 01:21:36,439 Preach to Night Recap podcast