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Are we on? Are we connected? All? Right? Now we're going

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what's going on? Clips fans?
We are clips and dip. I'm William

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Updyke joining me as Charles Mackler from
a moving vehicle. We're shut to talk

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about the clippers insane win in Dallas
to tie up the series against the Mavericks.

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No Kawhi Leonard in this one,
which is maybe better than getting a

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forty percent of a Kawhi Leonard,
but we were able to have PG and

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Kawhi step up in it, or
sorry, PG and Harden step up in

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a huge way. I love what
you said before we get into the craziness.

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That was almost maybe the most disappointing
playoff game for a second for the

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Blipperson. You're totally right, it's
way better to have It's unfortunate, but

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having Kawhi rest is better than having
Kawhi not be functional on the court.

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Well, and look, we'll get
into that actual game and our reactions here

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just a sec. But on the
Kawhi thing, I mean, I thought

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the nicest thing and obviously I'm not
saying that the team was better off without

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Kawhi, but I thought one of
the nicest things about them taking game one,

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is they really bought themselves some time
for Kawhi Leonard, who continue to

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arrest. I wasn't expecting to see
him game two, I thought, optimistically,

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you know, they had bought him
an extra week of rest time,

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which you know, we still don't
know what the full timeline is for gonna

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be for him to return, if
he is able to return. We're still

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told there's no structural damage on me
swelling, but it feels like this is

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now a setback that maybe wasn't necessary, especially when you're getting the types of

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games that we were able to get
from Paul, George and Harden in this

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one. So Clippers went up big
early in this one. A lot went

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right Dallas went I want to say, oh for ten for their first for

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their first ten three point attempts,
which is super super Brewe Again, this

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is one of those situations where as
much as I'd like to, I can't

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obviously credit all of that to the
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were eventually able to regain a lead
in this one. In you know what

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was just in classic Clippers fashion,
a high type of stress and anxiety game.

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We adam joining in right now I'm
gonna I'm gonna bring him in,

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Adam. What's going on the birthday
boy, Jeffy. Guys stand, I

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thought I was gonna be responsible for
this. I thought I was gonna have

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to apologize because on our pregame show
when Clippers rewind in a segment where we

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go back in time for a big
Clippers victory, guess where we went back

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to a thirty one point come back
in twenty nineteen against the Golden State Orders

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that I thought, Oh my god, it's about to happen to them.

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The Dallas Mavericks were about to tie
the biggest playoff comeback at NBA history.

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I couldn't have it, and apparently
neither could Paul George or James Harden.

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That shot by Paul George, that
three is the biggest shot of the season,

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one of the biggest shots of his
life. He had twenty six in

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the first half, had just two
points in the second half at that time,

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and took the toughest shot possible and
got it to go. This was

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a legacy game for him, it
was, and he stepped up. James

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Harden fifteen of his thirty three in
the fourth. He was shooting thirty seven

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percent from five to nine feet all
season long, and he couldn't miss a

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floater when it matter person. He
was a personal six to zero floater run.

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I'm pretty sure here there in the
fourth Kyrie Irving couldn't miss a damn

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shot. He had a perfect twenty
point quarter in the second quarter that has

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never happened before. He kept it
going in the second half. The Clippers

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withstood it. They played just well
enough. The block that Paul George also

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had on Kyrie on the rearview team
test. That was one of the most

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insane games we'll ever see, and
it has proved the Slippers team still has

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grit, still has hard They can
still do what they've always done when they're

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down players, they just find a
way. Couldn't be more proud of this

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victory by this team. Oh no, I'm not in the fireworks. The

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fireworks was for your birthday and for
the Clippers. Yeah. I mean this.

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The Paul George first half, him
talking shit to the MAVs crowd was

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fantastic to see the top of the
Clippers all game. He didn't back down

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at all. We'll talk about Russ
maybe in a few That wasn't necessarily the

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best performance from Russ. But yeah, I mean Harden and Paul George for

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two guys who we talk about the
narrative of contracts coming up and all that

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good stuff this whole series. James
Harden has showed he needs a multi year

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contract. Paul George is doing a
little bit better after the first half of

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today. But yeah, like Adam
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two of these games. I need
to see at least two thirty balls from

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Paul George. We had tal talked
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in the series of like, okay, so like, when's it finally gonna

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happen. Who's going to be the
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And we got them both in this
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James Harden. So it's nice to
see the offense coming together. It's getting

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it's starting to resemble again what we
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apex there right before the All Star
break, which is great to see.

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We just hadn't maybe Game one,
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little bit of an outlier just because
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We have we have not seen what
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was the fourth ranked offense in the
regular season, we have not seen that

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prior to this game. Yeah,
and I think you know, we talked

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about how concerned we are with the
fouls, right like there was some first

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of all the refing in this game. Yet again absolutely two challenges used in

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the first Again, wasn't there?
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the rest can't get shit right.
But despite the foul trouble for pretty much

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the most important Clippers right like zoo, Man and Harden all had four fouls

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at one point, They're still able
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not letting the poor refing get into
their heads, which I really respect.

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And like Zoo last game, two
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game. That was good to see. That being said, we hope that

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that stops in game five because we
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know, early foul luck that we've
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yeah, I agree. Daron Edgcomb
just came back to life. That was

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that was incredibly stressful. Come on, Oh, the cat is making moves.

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Cat'ser having me fucking crazy. Right
now. Yeah, that'll happen.

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Other than Paul George and Harden,
who are you looking at for maybe your

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favorite player from this game? I
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Powell. He didn't have the scoring
explosion that he did uh there in game

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three, but uh the points that
the points that he scored were all sort

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of momentum things. The only drawback
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he was especially bad in this one. Some of the fouls. Oh and

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we didn't talk about this yet either. Uh that Russ fowl on the inbounds

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before the ball was even tossed in, I thought was like sort of inexcusable.

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Another another down down game from from
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I mean, yeah, you're you're
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opinion with you. It was super
just uncomposed and obviously the crowd's been crazy

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for him, but it's like,
come on, man, like this,

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since we couldn't need this little ticky
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love in here, so we should
talk about that. Because even the broadcast

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was pointing out like how well he's
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going to stop everything. It's it's
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staying like playing him close and not
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And Terrence Man incredible today, Incredible
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only real criticism is we just saw
some of that indecisiveness offensively kind of rited

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again, passed up I think two
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into pretty ugly possessions when there was
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So that's one of those things that
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working through. Maybe that just has
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I'm not really sure, but uh
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hot one, still unbeaten love Amir
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that's the better way to go than
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So I'm glad that TYLERU got back
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small late, which was a little
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of like, oh, we're kind
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But it ended up working out,
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rebounding. I feel like with those
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scoring like where it went so poorly
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that small ball lineup could not score
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not getting rebounds, and obviously you're
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but it becomes much more about effort
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the restricted area, being really aggressive
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this time, this time a lot
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have Well, what did the MAVs
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they had like a fourteen to two
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I liked what Tylu said in the
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went on a run. You know, it doesn't matter how much we were

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up by. We win this quarter, we win the game. And they

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were able to do just that.
We're getting some love for Mason Plumley in

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the chat Mason Plumbley did, dude, hats off to big plum because I

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have been not hyped on his play, but I mean six four and three

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from Mason Plumley in fourteen minutes in
a playoff game. Is as good as

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you're gonna get from Mason Plumley.
It was fantastic to see. So,

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yeah, shout out Mason Plumley.
I'm giving him his flowers. Yeah yeah,

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Well, I mean you were kind
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at this point of the series,
like, is that does anybody else even

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see the floor? Like I think
we have our eight man rotation dialed in.

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We've seen this team enough times.
It's just gonna be about execution.

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And look, there's gonna be a
there's gonna be nights where like where Kyrie

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and Luca go off and I mean
you probably just end up losing those games.

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I don't think that there's like some
curveball that we can throw out from

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a rotational perspective that's like, oh
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swing the series. At least I've
not seen that right now. Yeah.

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Someone mentioned in the chat they're a
little worried about the legs with the eight

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man rotation, which I think is
a little fair. I think was I

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think that was sort of what we
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in this one, was that I
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team, Uh, was kind of
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you know, it was unclear if
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or get back over the hump once
the Maps were able to uh carve out

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a lead for themselves. Yeah,
yeah, h h hold on one second,

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you're cutting out, You're cutting in
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gonna kick you out and bring you
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back in. Let's see if it
works. Now, Yes, we got

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you now, no, we don't
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to this one, Uh so,
looking ahead to Game four back in La

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I really I'm really hoping that we
can carve out like the sort of home

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crowd advantage that Dallas had. I
thought that was one of the most impressive

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things watching this game, even from
the broadcast, Like the Dallas fans are

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they get it going? That building
is insane. Hopefully the Clippers can do

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the same thing with the series returning
to Los Angeles. Getting some notes on

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the officiating, I gotta agree,
this one has been so up and down.

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It's really uh, it's uh,
it's really been a little bit of

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a of a mystery. Let's see
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I love that people are saying Kyrie
isn't that good. Kyrie was insane

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today. He went on such a
tear. Chuck's out in Egypt. That's

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really funny. Pretty close. Plus
I was in a what is it ocean

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beach, which is basically ocean beach. Yeah, beautiful ocean beach right in

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you'ar San Diego. Wow. People
were saying that Kyrie wasn't good. Were

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they watching the game? He had
forty points? Yeah, I've just seen

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that. Yeah. And I think
that Kyrie, I mean, Luca did

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not have a great game last game. I mean not that Kyrie's was like

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necessarily exceptional. But Kyrie has been
huge for them in this series. And

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I mean when he gets on a
when he gets on a tear like that,

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it was just impossible to stop him. I mean, he's just it's

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like everyone else is playing in slow
motion around him, and he can pull

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up from anywhere. Just a terrifying, terrifying player. Is this the second

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time he's on perfect in the second
quarter? Are perfect in a quarter of

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this series? I'm not he had
twenty and I think it was game one.

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Yeah, do we credit the defense
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I put this in quotes because Lucas
still had a twenty nine point triple double,

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but Lucas still having to work for
this ship. Lucas, it's not

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Yeah, I mean that looks that's
all you that's all you can do.

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There's not a stopper. There's just
an irritant I think with both of for

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both of these players, you're not
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It's just about making them work as
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I thought they did a little bit
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defensive end in this one, which
I think we've seen go up and down,

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and it's one of those things that's
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Like that's you know, I talked
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That's sort of like the obvious obvious
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happening. A Obviously, the maps
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out of those heavy actions with with
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the other thing that I was not
expecting is literally has been pretty damn good

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defensively at Jack's in this one,
so that like, so that plan kind

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of all goes to shit in terms
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them do their thing on the offensive
end. Rough game for the rule,

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like a rough game for the role
players in this one. Their bench combined

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for just thirteen points and where whereas
we had I don't know twenty two I

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believe off the bench, So that
was a big one. And then the

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turnovers really like the inverse of the
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Mavericks, and yeah, that'll take
you out on one quick. Seven turnovers

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from Kyrie's absolutely brutal. I know
we just mentioned the forty points, but

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seven turnovers is a I mean,
that's a heavy number to have over your

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head for that MAXI Kleiba not being
effective in this one. Salute to Tylo

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for being able to counter that,
because Kleiba was starting to look like that

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was going to be the role player
that makes it really annoying for the Clippers

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in the long term. Agreed.
Agreed, Speaking of the role players,

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Logan Rapsys, we still have not
gotten a norm game. Need that to

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happen. Yeah, I agree,
there hasn't been one where he's looked super

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great. I don't know. This
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I think you're right. I think
they've done ability. Yeah. Yeah,

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and they've done a really good job
covering him. He's had to work

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for a lot of looks and then
they've punished us for having him on the

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floor, like on the defensive end. Uh yeah, he had what for

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those three fouls in such quick succession. Yeah, that the you know,

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the mass were in the bonus early
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I don't think it's this series either. They've obviously game plan for him super

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well. Hats off to Jason Kidd
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I will. I can't wait.
Logan's right, I can't wait to watch

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him walk into twenty because he can't
do that. He can't have the twenty

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point half at of nowhere. Yes, yeah, people are saying he had

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a let He had eleven field goal
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it was pretty well balanced. Yeah, he was getting a bad whistle too.

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He was kind of defending in an
odd way, but also the perfect

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storm of weird defense and a bad
whistle, which is how you get a

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shitty fouls usually. Yeah, yeah, I agree, man, I am.

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I don't know if I've stressed for
that game, but that is one

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of the more tense, incredible Clippers
playoff games to have listened to. A

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Watts too. I can't believe they
got the learn so happy trying out.

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Yeah, we're getting I think this
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Hey in the chat, which you
know, I'm always gonna highlight that kid

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is such a bad coach. I
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that he did counter from game one
to Game two, and then he has

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really executed their game plan really well. And like I said, he does

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have these guys at least putting in
maximum effort defensively out for the mass like

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that. You know, we talked
about who's like which of these teams sample

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sizes was more real. You have
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you have the Mass everything post All
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defense and an elite offense. And
I would say, obviously the truth lies

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somewhere in the middle. But like
they have, they defensively are very impressive

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to me and have impressed me in
this series. Yeah, they have the

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pieces you mentioned right, like they
made the right moves at the trade deadline,

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they got Washington in, they got
Gafford in. Gafford only eighteen minutes

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today, I think is pretty telling
of how well the Clippers were able to

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play too after how aggressive you mentioned
kids been able to get him like bought

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in on defense, He had him
bought in for game free to start too.

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That looked like and then today it
looked a little more not normal,

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but like what I guess we expect
a game one after who was playing well

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against him? Man, there's somebody
in there. There's somebody in the comments

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right now doing all quote stuff.
Hey, uh Samon's chilling or you're going

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in time out? Uh ex Mango
Project wants to know Scott Foster game next

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game? Most likely it was Tony
Brothers today. Yeah. I bet we

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get Scott Foster on Wednesday, which
is gonna be a Divermary AJ wants to

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know can we spam hardened floaters all
the way to the finals if he has

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the legs for it, I would
love to see it again. James Harden

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has been the most consistent throughout this
series offensively for the Clippers. He's been

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really, really good and we have
needed every ounce of it, every bit

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of it from him. So yeah, it was he's been incredible. He's

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been He's been incredible. There was
the Robert flab tweet yesterday that was like,

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in an incredible turn of events,
James Harden is totally showing up for

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the playoff series while the Clippers out
and for that game obviously that was before

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today. That was incredibly to James
Harden again has proven that he needs a

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multi year contract. What that price
is, we don't really know. But

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yeah, Harden in the first round. He's great in the first round.

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He's never not gotten out of the
first round in his career. So we're

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getting normal, which is very very
good James Harden. Yeah, yeah,

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keep him fresh, keep him going. So you think we're just running it

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back, My assumption is for Game
five, we're gonna see the exact same

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starters from the Clippers and hopefully to
do the same sort of similar do the

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same sort of similar size mismatch,
and it's just going to be a matter

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of like who's going to have the
hot hand. Yeah, I'm wondering if

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if Reuss doesn't figure anything out,
I wonder if we see a couple bones

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minutes or something random. But Plumbley's
played well, I think we stick with

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the eight. I don't know if
TYLERU wants to. I think you mentioned

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this when Kawai came back, but
I think it's true now too. Expanding

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the rotation feels even harder now because
you're adding a guy who hasn't played at

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all really into a playoff scenario,
you know what I'm saying. So like

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adding Tyson or something like that,
that feels really difficult for a team that

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is playing so well without Kawhi Leonard. And I don't mean it like that,

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you know what I mean, but
like they're fighting right now, and

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when a group is fighting like this, I don't know if you want to

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expand their tation. I just don't
see any I just don't see any utility

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to it. If I'm being honest
with you, Like what, like,

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who do you want on the floor? Uh, there's already some guys that

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I want to see less of on
the floor if I'm being perfectly honest,

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So and and there's not And it's
not a situation where I'm like, Okay,

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so Harden has not been good or
sorry, Westbrook has not been good,

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Like who's the clear next man up
on the bench because the answer is

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kind of nobody. Yeah, but
the answer is just more minutes from Harden

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and PG really like it's that's the
only anecdote or the only antidote rather and

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I don't, yeah, I don't. I don't see it working. You

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know, Adam was kind of bully
on p on a potential PJ. Tucker

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sighting in this. I do not
think. I do not think that we're

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gonna see that. That wouldn't help
that that would help nobody. I totally

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agree. I hope we don't see
that. He's like, he makes more

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sense if they had like if they
had somebody in there like playing bullyball,

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like if they had you know,
if if they were if they had Kawhi

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or if you know, or if
the MAVs had a center like aviatsa Zubats

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and they like heavily featured him sort
of down low and you need that sort

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of big body, the guy that
you're not really scared of him picking up

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six fowls, but in this matchup, just dude to like the versatility that

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the MAVs have and some of the
and like the speed and the attack from

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from Luca and Kyrie. Like,
I just don't really see where he could

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sit on the floor because I think
if you get the switch on PJ,

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which you're spamming every time, I
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that is, unless you're going into
like some sort of slow post up where

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you're just trying to back him down. I mean, he's getting blown by

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every single time. I don't really
see him being Yeah, I don't really

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see him having utility in this in
this series. Yeah, And I think

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in that sense kind of what you're
saying, because him and Tys are kind

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of the same size, So Tys
theoretically has more utility because he will let

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it fly. But again, like
you mentioned, it's a weird thing to

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add right now with how well the
team's play. Yeah, yeah, agreed.

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Uh So, who do you want
to see have a huge Who do

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you want to see have a big
game five? Big game five? Let's

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go back to Zoo. The guys
are going to be tired. Let's feed

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Zoo. Let's get some easy buckets, just easy buckets to start, like

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get Zoo on the sixteen and thirteen
path. And I really like how the

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Clippers look, because that also means
hard. It is probably touching the pain.

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Yeah, definitely, what about you
love that? I want to see

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Paul George have two consecutive thirty games
in a playoff series. Let's how about

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that right there? With how about
that? Yeah? All right, so

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well before we get out of here, let's let's talk about the Westbrook thing.

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Obviously we're getting some comments in here. Terrible foul for him to have

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committed with seventeen seconds left on the
clock. Just not very composed. We

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all know what happened in Game three. That's gonna be one of those tough

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things to shake. It looks even
like that would look even worse if we

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hadn't got the win today, you
know what I mean? But that that

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ejection and the way that he got
the entire Dallas crowd and the Mavericks riled

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up, would look a lot worse
if we lose today. I mean,

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hell, if we lost today and
like on that after that foul at seventeen

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seconds, I would be absolutely livid. I would be losing my mind.

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I was about ready to crash the
car into the ocean if we were going

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to lose after that foul from Russell
Westbrook. Maybe he just needs some time

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to get out of Dallas. Maybe
it's just get back to La call chill

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out for three days, get some
normal practice. Run. Now that we

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also know for sure that Kawa is
not coming back, like, maybe that

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helps. Just I think that's good
a little bit, Like there's less uncertainty.

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Yeah, so I'm hoping. But
yeah, the defense has been good,

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but the offense was just so bad. So yeah, let's let's hope

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it's tightened up. Yeah, let's
hope it's tightened up. All right,

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do you have any closing thoughts before
we got to get Before we get out

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of here, I gotta go do
some actual non Clippers related uh work,

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So don't worry to help this one
short Happy birthday to Adam is not here.

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Thank you guys for taking care of
that live stream the other day.

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What a stressful game. Here's to
another stressful game on Wednesday. Let's hope

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the clips come out on top again. Yeah, let's go clips. Thank

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