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Thank you for listening to Depictions Media
Radio. Welcome to Policy and Rights,

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the show about the government, policy
and human rights. Welcome back to Policy

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and Rights here in Depictions Media Radio. I'm your host, Michael Claude.

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And it looks like Canada is going
to be joining in with the Asian Economic

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Group in order to promote trade agreements
and to work more closely with countries like

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India, possibly China and other Asian
countries that are part of this group to

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promote commerce and joint efforts at commerce
around the world. We're going to hear

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two messages, one from the Minister
of Trade and we're also going to hear

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from Justin Trudeau as he talks about
being welcomed into Malaysia and other Asian countries

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as Canada tries to promote goods and
services as well as what services and goods

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can be sold here in Canada.
One of the big things though, is

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we start looking at extreme inflation here
in Canada and how is the is promoting

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ourselves as a great economy to Asia. I'm going to help fix that problem.

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Justin Trudeau and his ministers do have
that that problem still sitting on their

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plate. How do we fix,
fix it so that the average person can

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afford one housing, two food,
three in cases daycare. How is it?

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How is this going to make make
things affordable? How are we going

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to is going to translate so that
the average Canadian sees a benefit from it?

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So why don't we listen to Justin
Trudeau and his Minister for International Trade

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speak to what is going on with
trade agreements with the Assian nations. Thank

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you very much, President Wedogo Wedoto, for you're welcome here to this summit.

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As always, the hospitality of the
Indonesian people is legendary and much appreciated.

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I want to give a shout out
and to thank you to Malaysia right

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now for your supporting guidance as Canada's
country's coordinator here at a SEAN. My

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friends, it is a great honor
for Canada once again be part of this

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summit this year. I've been part
participating in Asian summits personally since twenty seventeen.

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This is my second time visiting Indonesia
in a year, and some of

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you may know a number of ministers
from our government have been engaged recently in

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all of your different countries across the
region. Canada and Assayan now count more

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than forty five years of partnership and
this week marks a historic milestone, as

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alluded to by JOCO, the launch
of the assay On Canada Strategic Partnerships Strategic

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unto Canada Lasi di Udeste. Canada
is a Pacific nation. The Indo Pacific

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is our neighborhood. This partnership truly
matters to us, and Canada deeply respects

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the centrality of Assayon to this region. Canada's Indo Pacific strategy and Assayan's outlook

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on the Indo Pacific are aligned.
We share clear commitments to peace and stability,

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openness and transparency, to development and
economic cooperation, and to an understanding

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that international rules are essential for growth. Canada is committed to increasing our engagement

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and being an even more active presence
in the region. Last year, Canadian

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exports from and imports to Asian increased
by twenty nine percent from the year prior.

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That's great, but we need to
do even more. In the nearer

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term. Canada looks forward to concluding
a Canada Assayan free trade agreement. In

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the longer term, Canada would very
much like to join Assayan led mechanisms such

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as the East Asia Summit and the
Assayan Defense Ministers Meeting plus and in the

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meantime, we will continue our support
for the Canada Assayan Scholarships and educational exchanges,

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the Assay on Canada Plan of Action, and the Women Peace and Security

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Agenda in Assayan, as well as
for international assistance to eligible Assayan members.

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These past years have been difficult all
around the world, but they've also shown

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us just how interconnected we all are, whether it's because of the pandemic,

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natural disasters, or conflicts. We're
seeing it with Russia's war in Ukraine,

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which is exacerbating challenges like food and
security right around the world, including here

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in this region. I welcome the
release of a joint statement about cooperating more

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closely on food security in the coming
years. Canada can help in a number

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of ways. We can contribute to
food and energy security. We're a reliable

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trade partner. We can leverage the
expertise of our private sector and invest in

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growth that benefits all sides, including
through technical capacity building. We can work

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together to tackle climate change, and
we're an excellent investment destination. We've seen

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much progress on many initiatives from our
Indo Pacific strategy that will bring mutual benefits

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for Essay and for Canada. As
I mentioned a number of colleagues and friends

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that I was coming to Jakarta for
the say On Summit, people remarked on

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how far away that was and how
long and perhaps grueling a travel that would

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be to come here. All of
you who go the other way to our

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time zone in New York regularly know
that it is a challenging trip. But

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regardless of the geographical distances, these
past years have shown us just how connected

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and close we all are. Things
that happen in any corner of the world

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now affect every corner of the world. More importantly, things that happen to

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people in any corner of the world
have impacts on people in every other corner

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of the world. And when we
look around at the challenges each of us

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face, whether it's from extreme weather
events, whether it's from the rapid pace

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of technological change, whether it's from
conflict or economic insecurity. As families and

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communities wonder how long their jobs are
going to last, whether there's prosperity for

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them, all of us are facing
the same challenges. Affordability, concerns about

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the future, concerns that maybe the
institutions we built over the past decades are

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not up to the challenge of meeting
the moments of the coming decades. What

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citizens need most is stability, reassurance, and the confidence that as changing as

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the future is. Together as leaders, we're building a plan not just to

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get through it as countries, but
to make sure everyone gets through it as

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citizens, as people, as families, as neighborhoods, as communities. So

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even as we come together here from
very different regions of the world, we

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do so with common values and a
common goal to make sure the promise of

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progress that drives all of our countries, the idea that the hard work of

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one generation leads to better opportunities and
better outcomes for the next generation, well,

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to make sure that that promise continues
to hold true in an uncertain and

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sometimes scary world. So the more
we can keep coming together, rolling up

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our sleeves and working on our shared
problems, the more we're going to be

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able to solve them, not just
for us sitting around this table, but

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more importantly for the citizens at home
hoping we're going to make it a bit

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better. That's what gathers us here
That's why I'm so pleased to be a

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strategic partner at essay On, because
it means good opportunities here for people in

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assay On, but also good opportunities
for people back home in Canada. That

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is what keeps us moving forward.
I know, well you might have to

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adjust it for this fellow here,
but well, thank you everybody for coming.

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And I just I just came back
from a meeting with President Weidoto and

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our Prime minister. Let me just
start by saying how thrilled I am to

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be back here in Indonesia. I
think the last time we were all here

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together, I said I was here
sort of, you know, twelve times,

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I think right now, sort of
a year later, I think now

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it's probably fifteen times. So I've
been in the region quite a lot,

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and certainly some of it here in
Indonesia. And and if I were to

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characterize sort of what the work has
been, the work is really putting into

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action Canada's into Pacific strategy. But
today in the meeting between the President and

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the Prime Minister, we were able
to talk about a number of things.

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We of course thanked Indonesia for their
leadership as being the chair of the asien

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and that's something's going to happen tomorrow. Canada as a new strategic partner to

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the Asian We talked about how we
are deepening trade investment relationships here between Canada

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and Indonesia. I'm going to be
in the region equally as much. Next

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year. We're gonna have five Team
Canada trade missions in the region, including

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here in Indonesia, and we're opening
an EEDC office here. Lots of businesses

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who want to come in the region. It's really important for them to get

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the export financing that is needed,
so we're going to have an increased presence.

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We've announced our first ever Canada Indo
Pacific Trade representative who will be here

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in Jakarta, and of course our
Special Envoy for the Indo Pacific in Ambassador

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McKay is with me here and we're
looking forward to the work that we're going

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to do in the region. And
why well, this region is among the

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fastest growing in the world, the
fifth largest economy economic zone in the world,

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and it's really important for Canadian companies
and exporters to grow in this region

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and because when they do, it
means good jobs back at home and UH

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and the region is important for its
economic importance, and Canada wants to diversify

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and grow here in this in this
region. Maybe the last I'll end with

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this fact. Trade with the region
between Canada as Yen has certainly grown.

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Trade between Canada and Indonesia has grown
uh and last year we saw numbers close

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about thirty percent increase between Canada and
as Yen. So we're really making progress

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on that front. So happy to
take questions from from you. Thanks here

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a bit of a sentiment in this
part of the world that Canada was only

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sort of investing when it was beneficial
for Canada. There was sort of a

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hesitation on the part of some of
the leaders you, as you mentioned,

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have been here quite a number of
times over the last few years. Do

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you feel that that sentiment is sort
of changing? And the follow up is

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why does this strategic partnership matter at
all? Absolutely that that sentiment is changing.

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In this one year, I am
seeing momentum, and the momentum is

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coming because we're working together. When
I was here just two short weeks ago,

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it was a meeting of an economic
task force that we put together between

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Indonesia where we're really looking at what
it is that we could be doing together.

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And when you look at the investments
that we've made in the Indo Pacific

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strategy, that's really that's real investments
on a whole range of initiatives. I

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mean we're opening up an agrifood office
in the Philippines as an example. So

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these are real, tangible initiatives that
Canada is investing and working on together with

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Indonesia but also with the region.
And I think that that's what they're seeing

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and it's because of that that you're
seeing Canada being elevated to strategic partner status.

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What does it change? What are
you going? What does it change?

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I mean, we're already a partner. We're already here, mister King's

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already here to have that documents sing. What does it actually change? It

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is a deepening and a commitment of
the relationship between the Asian and Canada.

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And when you when you have an
aggrifood office, think about Canada and the

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farmers and the producers in Canada and
think about what they're looking at in terms

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of growing into a market like this. This is six hundred and seventy million

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people. It is the fifth largest
economy in the world. It's five trillion

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dollars and what do I have to
do working for Canadian exporters and Canadian farmers

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and those who are looking to find
markets to grow, to grow their businesses

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or to do more export. This
work creates I always started saying government doesn't

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do the business, but we create
the conditions, We create the relationships,

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and we submit these relationships so that
businesses have an easier way of getting into

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these markets because we're doing our work
government to government. Can you describe how

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trade, what this region has grown
and what are the sectors where you expect

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to see the most or hope to
see the most growth in the future.

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Well, I just talked about the
Agrifood Office, so we're going to have

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that out of Philippines, but it's
going to be a mobile. It will

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be mobile and therefore operating the Philippines
but also serve the entire region. There

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is there are tremendous opportunities around infrastructure, particularly green infrastructure, because this is

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also an area of the world where
climate change is having a real impact.

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So the opportunities to build together on
infrastructure projects, which is why you saw

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in the Indo Pacific Strategy seven hundred
and fifty million dollars put towards that so

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that we can work with countries in
the region on a range of infrastructure projects.

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We already have technology companies that are
here, whether it's an AI or

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or you know, just ICT telecommunications
companies. Our knowledge of sustainable mining,

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for example, is another area that
that Indonesia is quite interested in. Valley

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operates a pretty big operation here in
in Indonesia. We're all working to we're

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all working to build the green economy
and the green future that is electric vehicles

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and and UH and and in the
sectors of mining is another area that we

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could be that we could be collaborating
on. But even you know, I

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was looking at the list. I
mean, you know, you know,

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Lulu Lemmon has a you know,
has increase its footprint here in Thailand.

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So whether it's retail services to ICT
to clean technology to UH to aggrifoods,

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it's a range of sectors. But
I'm really looking forward next year UH five

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Team Canada Trade Missions. I'm going
to work with Canadian businesses and we're going

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to look at the kinds of sectors
who might be interested here and the businesses

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and UH and the services that the
region is looking for from Canada and uh

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and I'm looking forward to bringing here
some really dynamic Canadian enterprises, entrepreneurs and

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businesses. A question for McKay are
you seeing and if you can go to

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the mic please sorry, are you
seeing Indonesia warm up to Canada specifically Trudeau?

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You've got a very warm welcome today
at the Palace. Can you speak

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to the relationship now compared to how
it was? The relationship is terrific and

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I think that the Prime Minister is
here, ministering is here at really an

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historic moment. And it's not just
historic because trade with the Assian region is

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up twenty nine percent year over year, not just historic because we're negotiating free

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trade agreement with Assian and economic partnership
agreement with Indonesia. Those are historic moments

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and it signifies the warming of the
relationship. But as the Minister referenced,

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a strategic partnership with Ascian which was
enthusiastically endorsed by all member states, on

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top of the trade negotiations we're doing, on top of the trade increase here

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over a year, there's not a
country on the planet who wouldn't want to

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be in that situation. We're in
a very very special prize situation at this

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moment within Asian and with the ind
of Pacific. As you will recall,

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the ind of Pacific strategy was launched
about ten months ago. There's five key

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pillars to that, and countries like
Indonesia President Wudoto are extraordinarily pleased and receptive

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to all five of those pillars.
We're talking about security, enhanced trade,

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people to people ties, a climate
movement, and of course diplomacy, all

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of those pillars. Canada is investing
extraordinary resources, people, time, money

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to build our presence in the region. That is exactly what leaders like President

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Udoto want and that is represented in
the warm relationship he's developed with Prime Minister

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Truth to be less reliant on the
US. We're seeing a lot of America

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first mentality over there is this part
of a plan to kind of diversify more

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away from the US. Whoever wants
the end well, I think every country,

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every company in Canada is always trying
to diversify their trade. That's just

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a normal thing to do to search
out bigger and better markets. The Government

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of Canada does more than any government
that I know of to facilitate those companies

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being able to diversify their trade.
This region we're in happens to be the

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region with most of the fastest growing
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the largest thirty cities in the world. This is a place where everybody's going

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and I think Canada is so well
positioned at this moment to take advantage of

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the economic opportunities here. This will
resonate for decades and decades. So you

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both talked about what Canada can gain
from this in terms of access to markets

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and the five pillars. What can
this region get from Canada. What when

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you are selling Canada to them,
Obviously it's not just like, hey,

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we'd like access to your markets.
What do you tell them about how they

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can benefit well, I mean the
resilient supply chains. Globally, this region

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is very keen to work with Canada
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We have one of the largest trading
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North America and U and our ability
to work across the globe in this region

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with as the ambassador said, some
of the large some of the fastest growing

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economies and countries, dynamic, digital, and and resilient. I mean I

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negotiate trade agreements because it's about creating
arrangements and agreements with countries where we will

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respect the rules based trading system.
And these agreements give us the architecture to

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do that and uh and the more
we're able to do that, UH,

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it just creates greater resilient And they
are seeing the resiliency of those apply chains

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with Canada through Canada, but through
a North American market. And Canada,

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I mean, we're the only G
seven country with a free trade agreement with

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every other G seven country. We're
like somewhere in the thirty ish around population,

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but we're the ninth largest economy in
the world. So when you do

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business with Canada, think about doing
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because that's what you're doing business with. When you talk about the AGRA

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Food Office, which exports are you
focusing on? Well? I often work

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with the industry and producers on what
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So we've got incredible new proteins that
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you know, cereals and agri food
pro you know products out of Canada.

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We've got a large fisheries industry in
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have resources like potish that's really important
and important export to help the agricultu sector,

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including here in the Asian. But
but I spend a lot of time

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talking to Canadian stakeholders in particularly those
in agriculture, and and it really is

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about how can you know, how
can we work together so that what you

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are producing in Canada finds its way
into into markets like that here in Indonesia.

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And maybe one last point on that. I was talking to my colleague

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in Alberta the other day and we
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For example, We'll imagine a market
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eighty million people here in Indonesia alone, that that is a market access for

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some of Canada's terrific, terrific high
quality aggrofood products. Well, what are

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the fifth falls? I mean,
not all the countries in the Asian are

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necessarily democratically elected, and not all
of them respect human rights the way the

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other nations do. So what are
the pitfalls we have to be concerned about

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while we're trying to get a trade
deal with them? I think it's really

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important that we focus on doing trade
leading with Canadian values. You've seen us

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do that in every trade deal,
and if you look at the CPTPP or

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the newly negotiated KUSMA or our agreement
with the European Union, we have key

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features in there, and those key
features include provisions for labor, for the

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environment, for inclusivity, so that
as you are growing your economy and you're

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growing trade, you're ensuring that everybody
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mean women, entrepreneurs, indigenous entrepreneurs, young entrepreneurs, small and medium sized

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businesses. It's not easy for small
and medium sized businesses to grow period,

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let alone try to grow and diversify
into markets that are on the other side

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of the Pacific Ocean. But that's
our job. Our job is to is

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to negotiate agreements that give them the
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our agreement with the US and Mexico, there's a very strong and robust chapter

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on SIMES. Alone. We're doing
We're focusing on SIMES and their growth around

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the world and to help them diversify, but it is making sure that we

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negotiate agreements that have those comprehensive chapters
that look that look after the issues that

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Canadians find important. How much are
those Canadian values possibly an obstacle to getting

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trade deals done, especially with the
Asian Group as a whole. Maybe it's

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a little bit less of an issue
when you're doing bilateral trade agreements, but

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when you're doing one of those comprehensive
ones. Is that part of the reason

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that we're still in talks and we
don't have an announcement today of a free

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trade deal with the group? Well, trade negotiations are complex and they do

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take time. But let me point
to the CPTPP and the countries in the

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CPTPP. You have a range of
countries who also are as the end members

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who are part of that high standard
agreement, comprehensive agreement, and it took

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many years to do that. And
we've been at the negotiating table and we're

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going to work with the as the
Asian countries. We have we have wonderful

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tools in the in the negotiating toolkit. Uh some of them are you know,

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will help countries develop capacity for negotiating
those particular features that may not traditionally

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be a part of their trade agreement. So this is something that Canada knows

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how to do and have done so
we're looking forward to doing that here in

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Asian as well. Why don't we
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we look forward to on that file
if any, at the upcoming G twenty

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summit. Well, as I said
just a moment ago, trade agreements are

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complex and there are many there are
many things that go into that, and

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all we're doing at this point is
uh, you know, taking taking a

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reflection to take stock of where we
are, and and that's what we're doing.

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Just one more question for ambassad early
fading. Please help us understand a

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little bit how the SCN in general
see China, the role that China plays

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or wish Day did play, and
how Canada can can help me. Frons

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on death front are not well.
Each country and hasse and each country and

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the inter Pacific has a unique and
separate relationship with China. I don't think

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you can define the whole block's relationship. But our role in terms of our

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strategic partnership with SCN does a couple
of things that mobilizes each of their member

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states governments to engage more of Canada, that allows us to engage more in

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the region. The end of Pacific
strategy is Canada's big as foreign policy shift

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in decades to allow Canada to engage
in this region of forty countries in a

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much more substantive, comprehensive, sustainable
way, and through that we are then,

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as Canada better able to have a
more sophisticated bilateral relationship with China by

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being more present in this region.
Well, I mean this is this,

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Every country in the inter Pacific their
biggest trading partner is China. So the

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more we're doing in this region on
the political front, the economic front,

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the trade front, the culture of
front, the educational front, gives us

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a bigger presence in the region,
gives us a little more robust capacity to

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deal with all of our bilateral partners
in the region. And I think that's

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something that Canada will will do well
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