1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,919 Hey, creepy people. This is PNW Hans and Homicides. I'm Caitlin and 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:09,839 I'm Cassie. Together we explore stories of the paranormal and true crime throughout the 3 00:00:09,839 --> 00:00:13,720 Pacific Northwest. For each episode, we do a Tarot reading to help us 4 00:00:13,759 --> 00:00:17,280 gain some insight on the topic as we share the facts of the case and 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:23,280 our interpretations. You can find our episodes featuring true stories from infamous cases such 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:28,120 as the Misdeeds of Boeing, as well as lesser known true crime cases like 7 00:00:28,199 --> 00:00:33,039 the murders in Tunnel thirteen, as well as our spooky stories from Pike Place 8 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,640 and Raven's Manor on Apple, Podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere else you'd like 9 00:00:37,719 --> 00:00:47,600 to listen. Have you creepy? Yesday? Hi everyone. This is Christina 10 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,039 and this is MJ. And this is another episode of A Spooky Tale's a 11 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:56,960 podcast for all things as spooky. And we're dying today. We're tired. 12 00:00:58,119 --> 00:01:03,359 I haven't had enough coffee. I haven't I've had zero coffee. How are 13 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:07,319 you alive? Oh? Yummy? Yum me? Okay, yeah. So 14 00:01:07,359 --> 00:01:10,560 it's like it was like, am I gonna have coffee? Am I gonna 15 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,599 have a Chumplera? And I was like, tumple, I'll be tired, 16 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,879 but it's fine. It's where it's it delicious. I haven't had any today. 17 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:25,079 We are doing your ownA stories. I changed mine last time. Okay, 18 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,719 okay, I guess yeah, yeah, I originally was going to do 19 00:01:27,799 --> 00:01:32,359 this long like our phone call that I found that it was like this creepy 20 00:01:32,359 --> 00:01:34,799 ass phone call from someone to like a radio station that was not surprisingly not 21 00:01:34,879 --> 00:01:42,760 that man. But then I couldn't understand her half the time because I sped 22 00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:45,840 it up to like one point seventy five speed. But then she was I 23 00:01:45,879 --> 00:01:49,879 guess she was already talking fast. She's like a fast talker, so when 24 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,599 I sped it up that much, then I could not understand her. But 25 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,680 then when I went back to the host, they talked too slow for me 26 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,879 at the normal speed. So I don't want to keep switching back and forth. 27 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,599 Oh so that's why I didn't do those notes. Yeah, yeah, 28 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:07,480 I don't know. I can't. Some people just talked, including myself. 29 00:02:07,519 --> 00:02:09,240 Some people just talked too slow for me. But you know what's funny. 30 00:02:09,319 --> 00:02:14,479 I came across this TikTok the other day that was like this weird ass gen 31 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:19,120 z and this is like such a I feel like only white gen Z and 32 00:02:19,199 --> 00:02:22,159 millennials do this. But you know, when they started like making TikTok of 33 00:02:22,199 --> 00:02:24,960 it is about each other. Yeah, and they're both like so cringey because 34 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:30,759 like nobody does any of that. But there was one of like this gen 35 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,479 Z girl and you know how they all shake the camera when they're talking, 36 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:37,319 and then they all have the same like speech patterns, and then they all 37 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,479 like touch the top of their bangs when they're about to say something dramatic, 38 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:45,479 and so she was like, I can't replicate that speech pattern. I don't 39 00:02:45,479 --> 00:02:47,960 know how to do it. But it's just like obnoxious and fast. It's 40 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,240 so fast. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa, 41 00:02:51,319 --> 00:02:55,400 Like calm down, and that's the thing to them. It's like it's fast, 42 00:02:55,439 --> 00:02:59,639 but it's annoying fast. It's not like like I speed up all my 43 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:04,120 podcasts and audiobooks to like one point five or one point seven five speed, 44 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,039 and that's still fine to me. But whenever I saw that TikTok video, 45 00:03:08,159 --> 00:03:12,400 I was like, my god, please, why are you recording yourself? 46 00:03:13,039 --> 00:03:16,800 It's so fat? And my problem with that is like there they always call 47 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,840 it the millennial pause, which we do and I understand, like we pot 48 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,919 but it's like, dude, like half of the videos from gen Z I 49 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:29,680 have to go back over and over again because the first part gets cut off. 50 00:03:30,039 --> 00:03:31,360 Yeah, well you know, and not even all of like not all 51 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:36,639 of them, no, but like the majority of them do. There's some 52 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:42,520 outliers. But she looked like she was dressed from hot topic, like you 53 00:03:42,599 --> 00:03:45,319 got that style from us, ma'am. Yeah, she was in like a 54 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,680 millennial cosplay herself. And then I was like, we walked so you could 55 00:03:47,759 --> 00:03:53,120 run. Yeah, but also it's like they're trying to perform. I don't 56 00:03:53,159 --> 00:03:55,319 know, it was strange that just made it could be it could be a 57 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,159 lot of things, but yeah, I've noticed that with them. I'm like, 58 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,199 you guys can like relax, this is this is on the internet forever. 59 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,080 Slow down, You're fine, You're fine. Whatever message you're gonna get 60 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,159 out, it's fine. People are gonna listen. Relax, this is that 61 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:14,039 drama class. You can like say it and people are gonna watch anyway. 62 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,879 Yeah, exactly, that's what. And then like I I I do have 63 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,360 like a slower speech pattern, but I'm like, I'm not gonna rush my 64 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,879 speech or like rush to interject what I have to say, yeah, and 65 00:04:24,879 --> 00:04:28,199 then yeah, and then like with with us, I'm like Halfway'm like what 66 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,920 does she say? Like she lost may train of thought. Man, I'm 67 00:04:32,959 --> 00:04:41,079 looking at this bright pattern on my wall now things. Yes, but yeah, 68 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,759 I don't know how that started my bad anyway. Listener story, Yes, 69 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,240 if you have a story that you want to send into the podcast, 70 00:04:47,319 --> 00:04:51,519 you can email uso gmail dot com. You can submit it on Discord. 71 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:57,480 We have a channel that says sure your scary story. You can call our 72 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,959 spooky hotline. The numbers in the show notes you Candy m us on any 73 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,319 of our socials Instagram preferably. But yeah, there's a lot of options. 74 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:10,199 There's a lot of options. So yeah, here is this listener story. 75 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,480 And again my brain is just fried. I'm so tired, I'm so tired 76 00:05:14,519 --> 00:05:17,639 of life. Okay, so I'm just kidding sort of anyway, same, 77 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:30,319 Okay, start crying right now. Would not recommend. So here's this listener 78 00:05:30,399 --> 00:05:33,439 story. I wanted to start off by saying I absolutely love your podcast and 79 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:38,720 love the random side quests. I wanted to share a story about brucheia or 80 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,439 so my experience with it. A next friend, let's call her Maria. 81 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:55,279 Interesting name choice. Mm hmmm, that's all my das first names. My 82 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:59,759 grandma didn't name any of her kids Madia, amazingly like like she has. 83 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,839 We had like eight kids, right, Like three of them were girls and 84 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,240 the w restaurant boys. But none of the three got a wow, And 85 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:10,120 I was like, yeah, that's unheard of. This needs to be researched 86 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:15,199 by science, like how did this happen? Yeah, so, yeah, 87 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,319 that's interesting. Now none of your No, that's like weird. They're gonna 88 00:06:19,319 --> 00:06:23,920 get shunned by the community now, just kidding. Yeah, actually I'm gonna 89 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,920 shun you right now. I'm not. No, I feel like that's a 90 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,319 name that's not used anymore, like young kids now, I don't think there's 91 00:06:31,319 --> 00:06:34,800 any medias. Like when we were there was still a ton of Marias. 92 00:06:34,879 --> 00:06:38,639 Yeah, yeah, you're right, and there was even like a lot of 93 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,759 Mary's. I had a few Mary's. I don't think I knew any Marys, 94 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,639 just medias. I think I have said though, that I didn't meet 95 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,439 a white kid my own age until we moved to Medestine to Downey. So 96 00:06:49,759 --> 00:06:54,360 yeah, because we went Yeah, we were in Oakland and yeah, just 97 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,839 didn't exist. Okay, sorry, we did it again. That's uh. 98 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,839 You know, what did we say? This episode was going to be a 99 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,319 me in the beginning? Like yes, like listen, I have like sleep 100 00:07:02,399 --> 00:07:08,120 deprived. Christina is sleep deprived. The world's going to shit. Yeah, 101 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:13,160 yeah, everything everything, And I'm sure lady our previous guest is listening. 102 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:19,439 So I'm just gonna let her know I did not take my meds. Okay. 103 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:29,959 So, and I'm raw dogging reality every day. I can't. Oh 104 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:34,639 my god, almost spit out my coffee. All right, So I'm gonna 105 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:41,240 start over at Let's call her Maria. Okay, an ex friend. Let's 106 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,319 call her Maria. She was a high school friend at this point. She 107 00:07:44,399 --> 00:07:46,920 was living with her boyfriend and his family. At some point they broke up 108 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,000 and she had nowhere else to go, so I let her stay with me 109 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,519 and my husband while she got on her feet. At the moment, I 110 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,959 was, oh, I see they're not at high school at the time, 111 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,360 but she was a friend from high school. That makes more sense to me. 112 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,680 Okay, that's better. Yeah, yeah, I was thinking they were 113 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,199 in high school and this was taking place, So I'm like, I'm sorry 114 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:11,160 about husband. She wasn't with her boyfriend? What is happening? What did 115 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:16,279 you guys go to? That's funny, all right. So at the moment, 116 00:08:16,319 --> 00:08:20,160 I was working at a fast food restaurant and got her a job there 117 00:08:20,519 --> 00:08:24,079 and even the same shift since she didn't have a car. Anyways, fast 118 00:08:24,079 --> 00:08:26,600 forward a few weeks. The days that she didn't work since she was part 119 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,240 time, she would just stay in her room. I had made dinner for 120 00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:33,600 my husband, left it in the microwave for when he got home from work. 121 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,399 Well, this time, my husband was so fed up he called me 122 00:08:35,879 --> 00:08:41,320 at work angry, yelling at me, telling me why I didn't make him 123 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,879 dinner, especially if I was home all morning and afternoon. That Maria isn't 124 00:08:45,919 --> 00:08:50,399 my wife? That you are? I guess she was making dinner for him. 125 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,080 As he was getting home. I was like, what the fuck? 126 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,720 I made dinner and I had left it in the microwave. I found out 127 00:08:56,919 --> 00:09:01,600 Maria was throwing the food away and making him dinner her. Oh no, 128 00:09:03,639 --> 00:09:11,279 who she is the assholes? Yes? Yes, that, oh no, 129 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:16,600 Well I would be throwing hands like straight up like she would have been in 130 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:22,720 the streets. Do you care what good of friends we were like, we 131 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:26,559 about to throw hands. This is wild. Yeah, let me continue. 132 00:09:28,639 --> 00:09:31,039 There was no logical reason for her to be doing that. I let it 133 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,799 go and told her if it continued, I will kick her out better than 134 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,320 me because she would have been out. Yeah, she would have been out, 135 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,879 Like, you don't get to disrespect me. Wild. Fast forward like 136 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:45,639 another month or so, my husband asked his friend to stop by and check 137 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,919 on the house since we were going to be gone all weekend. Maria I 138 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,000 was going to be home, but just to make sure. We just wanted 139 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,879 him to pass by and check. He ended up staying there and him and 140 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,480 him and Maria ended up hooking up and actually getting together. Well, he 141 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:09,519 also moved in. Oh no, what the fuck? Well, we figured, 142 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,039 okay, having someone live with us to pay the rent would help us 143 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,919 out a bit. This was the first time we would be living with another 144 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,480 couple. Let's just say things got worse from there. Yeah. I think 145 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,000 we could have seen that. Yeah. Yeah, we told him it wasn't 146 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,120 working out and that they had to move out. However, with the moving 147 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:28,600 now, my husband and I were still constantly fighting until I decided to go 148 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:33,399 with this lady who is religious and has said God gave her the gift to 149 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,279 help people. In other words, she was a kurandera type of person. 150 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,919 Well, she read me the cards and told me someone was jealous of me 151 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:46,080 and was negatively impacting my marriage. Uh yeah, fucking Maria. By the 152 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,840 time we had gotten to see her, we had sold our house and we 153 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,960 were living with my in laws. She had met a candle with herbs and 154 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,080 stuff, and she just said, just stick it in the corner of your 155 00:10:54,159 --> 00:10:56,039 room or behind the door. I was skeptical, but I was like, 156 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,720 okay. Well, randomly, one day I was taking a nap in the 157 00:11:00,799 --> 00:11:03,320 room and my husband was calling me to come and eat since I wasn't coming 158 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,480 out. He said, babe, coming eat. As he opened the door, 159 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:13,399 I sat out from the bed and said, she's not here. Oh 160 00:11:13,399 --> 00:11:18,639 and I had bright red hair and I laid back down. I have no 161 00:11:18,799 --> 00:11:20,559 memory of this, and he doesn't believe in the paranormal. So I freaked 162 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,639 him out and he left and closed the door like that shit By honey, 163 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,200 you're on your own. Can you imagine that calling someone They're like, she's 164 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:37,159 not here. Oh no, I'll be like wait, I just like walk 165 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,080 down, pretend I didn't see shit like, just turn around. Nope, 166 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:45,679 nope, noping the hell out of that room. Oh man, I have 167 00:11:45,799 --> 00:11:48,519 no memory of this. And he thought I was messing with him at first, 168 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:50,799 but then he realized that my hair color wasn't red. It was my 169 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:54,759 natural color, dark brown, and I'm not the type to dyet bright colors. 170 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,559 After a few weeks, I went back and took the candle with me. 171 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,919 She removed the top layer and it was completely black on the inside. 172 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:09,720 Ew, this candle was white. I even took some of it out just 173 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,679 because I was curious. My eyes widened, and she said, no, 174 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,440 I have to bury this and cleanse you. But that someone or something was 175 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,279 attached to me and trying to separate my husband and I. Someone was that 176 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:26,559 jealous of my marriage and relationship. Needless to say, after Maria and her 177 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:31,960 man moved out, I never got in contact with them again. I wouldn't 178 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,600 be surprised if Maria there's some brucheria to my husband's ex friend because they got 179 00:12:35,639 --> 00:12:41,879 married within a month of meeting each other. Oh stop it, Oh my 180 00:12:43,039 --> 00:12:48,759 god, no bad decisions right there. Mm hmm. She tried to reach 181 00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:52,559 out, but I blocked her and had no interest in having her in my 182 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:56,120 life just some shit I don't fuck with. Needless to say, after a 183 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:00,200 few encounters with the paranormal and this, I made sure to close my third 184 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,360 as I was very sensitive to this. I attracted a lot of negativity. 185 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:09,879 Negativity. M what did I even say? Oh my god, I attracted 186 00:13:09,879 --> 00:13:13,240 a lot of negativity and it was taking a toll on me. It runs 187 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,279 to my family. My Tiaena always staid to use it for good, but 188 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,000 all of my experiences have been bad. I hope you guys enjoyed my story 189 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,279 with this drama and Bruchhetia all at once. Love you guys. That was 190 00:13:24,399 --> 00:13:31,039 crazy. Yeah, stay away from Maria. Yes, that's yeah, she 191 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,759 was doing something. Yeah, one thousand percent. Her behavior is so weird. 192 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,840 This is not one of the good Marias MM. I think the lesson 193 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:50,320 here is that Marias can't be trusted except my mom and all my dias that 194 00:13:50,399 --> 00:13:56,840 I'll have. The name Maria is the first name that's funny anyway. Yeah, 195 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:03,080 yes, I have a couple Urina stories. Should I do one and 196 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,440 then you do the other, and then I finished with mine. I feel 197 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:13,080 like mine is just it's a whole connect like it's technically one story in a 198 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:18,639 way, but it's all connected. It's I mean, it's I don't even 199 00:14:18,639 --> 00:14:22,960 know how to explain. It's like multiple things things, but they're all connected. 200 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,759 Okay. Yeah, So I don't know, like, oh, you 201 00:14:26,759 --> 00:14:28,000 know what mine are? Short? Should I do both of mine then? 202 00:14:28,039 --> 00:14:31,600 And then then we'll end with yours? Yeah, and then we'll do yes, 203 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,080 Yes, let's do that because mine is okay. Yeah. So MJ 204 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,360 you told me you had a yourna story. So instead of doing the notes 205 00:14:37,399 --> 00:14:39,840 I was going to do as I talked about earlier, I went and found 206 00:14:41,159 --> 00:14:46,399 two Urina stories. Oh nice, and they're not very long. One is 207 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:56,039 from infra mund Yes you to me? Yes, it is from youtubes and 208 00:14:56,159 --> 00:15:05,480 this video is titled MASc and so yeah, three stories that were never told 209 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:11,879 ABOUTA and so they're just stories people sent into infra Mundo. I can't nice. 210 00:15:11,039 --> 00:15:13,960 I need to stop saying it like that, but I can't anyway. 211 00:15:15,279 --> 00:15:18,840 So this was sent by Gabriela Arena, which doesn't sound like a real name 212 00:15:18,879 --> 00:15:22,960 to me, but we're just gonna go with it. I guess I've never 213 00:15:22,039 --> 00:15:26,840 I just never seen the last name Marenna. Yeah, I never have either 214 00:15:26,559 --> 00:15:30,840 yeah, maybe maybe it was like a nickname so to hide her identity. 215 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,879 All right, So when I was a young girl, we always spent the 216 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:41,360 end of November through December up to New Year's in my mom's pueblo in Mitua 217 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:46,279 gan. Our family was there, and all the cousins were similar ages, 218 00:15:46,759 --> 00:15:50,120 starting at eight and up to a few of my older cousins that were teens. 219 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,720 There was a whole bunch of us, almost like a little gang. 220 00:15:54,159 --> 00:15:58,639 H sounds so fun. I missed that, like I moved away from like 221 00:15:58,759 --> 00:16:03,120 family, so now I'm just like, yeah, yeah, my kids are 222 00:16:03,159 --> 00:16:08,320 not growing up with that like whole Like yeah, I hate yeah, but 223 00:16:08,679 --> 00:16:12,159 it sucks so hard we had to move. Yeah, I mean, like, 224 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,440 I don't think any of us are in the same place anymore anyway, 225 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,720 or if they, if there are family that is in the same place, 226 00:16:18,759 --> 00:16:22,240 nobody talks to each other anymore because of all the all the drama. Oh 227 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,480 yeah that too, like so much drama, especially on the loss of Willows 228 00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:33,519 person and like tell them and then you go and see what they look like 229 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,600 and you're like, yeah, I'm dying at this. TikTok. I saw 230 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:40,039 that was like this is this is the ter renods that you're fighting for. 231 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,080 But you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna say it right now, like land 232 00:16:44,039 --> 00:16:48,039 is precious that yeah, although some people just wanted to sell it and some 233 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,799 people just like want it because that's where they grew up. You know, 234 00:16:51,919 --> 00:16:56,159 different reasons, but different reasons. Yeah, it's so tragic at the end, 235 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,759 but the selfish reasons gotta go. Yeah for sure, for sure. 236 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,960 Okay, let me go back to this. As we said today, it's 237 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,200 gonna be a mess. Okay, so almost like a little king. There 238 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,519 wasn't much for us to do but play, so that's all we did. 239 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:17,039 We played outside all day, and the following took place during one of those 240 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:22,079 moments of play during the day plain daytime. My cousins ran in the distance 241 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:27,079 while another cousin and my uncle rested against a tree trying to get some shade. 242 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,759 It was November, but it was still a little sunny with clouds in 243 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:34,519 the sky. My uncle yelled from the tree he was leaning on, don't 244 00:17:34,559 --> 00:17:38,200 go too far. But of course I didn't listen, and because we were 245 00:17:38,279 --> 00:17:44,720 playing La ciscondidas hide and seek, and I needed to win. Every terrible 246 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,119 scary story starts with we were playing hide and seek. Yeah, yeah, 247 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,759 I don't know why it reminds you that story. I think you're the one 248 00:17:51,759 --> 00:17:53,559 who said it. I will never recover from that. You know what I'm 249 00:17:53,599 --> 00:17:57,160 talking about, right, is the one we shared on Patreon. I think 250 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:02,319 so where it's like a she was like playing somewhere and somebody hold held her 251 00:18:02,319 --> 00:18:07,240 hand. Yes, yes, it was Mexico. They were playing hide and 252 00:18:07,279 --> 00:18:11,200 seek in the neighborhood and they went into like one of the abandoned houses or 253 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:12,680 something like that, or even a neighbor's house, and like I think it 254 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,480 was like the rooftop and he was hiding with this girl and like the attic 255 00:18:17,599 --> 00:18:21,440 or something or something like yeah, oh was it a basement? I don't 256 00:18:21,519 --> 00:18:23,200 remember, but it was some part of the house and it was like dark, 257 00:18:23,279 --> 00:18:26,119 like you couldn't see inside. It was super dark, yes, And 258 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,359 then he thought one of his friends went with him, and like that she 259 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,519 was holding his hand when they were hiding. And then he looks up and 260 00:18:33,519 --> 00:18:36,960 sees her down in the crowd because everyone else has been caught except for him, 261 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:42,960 and so he's like, who was next to me? Who's actually let's 262 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,519 take it out of side quest and since we're already here. My mom was 263 00:18:47,519 --> 00:18:49,759 telling me last last time she was here, I don't know, we always 264 00:18:49,799 --> 00:18:53,480 ended up talking about scaring things for some reason. But I'm here for it 265 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,839 same. Yeah, I love it. So my well, her grandparents, 266 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:02,480 so my great grandparents used to live in a vesin Dad. So it's like 267 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,079 those apartments that I mean everyone, I think everyone that's like Latino knows what 268 00:19:07,079 --> 00:19:10,759 a vesina is, but everyone else may not. But it's like, uh, 269 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,359 apartments that are together and there's like a center. It's like a community. 270 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,759 It's like an apartment complex, but it's also at the same time a 271 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:22,640 community. Yeah, it's a little different than apartment complexes here in the United 272 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,960 States because they're like not they don't go up most of the time. They 273 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:30,039 might be two stories, but they're longer than like then they are tall, 274 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:36,039 you know. Yeah, and there's like a center courtyard usually. So they 275 00:19:36,079 --> 00:19:37,720 were in this vessin Dad, and my mom said that they had to pass 276 00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:42,880 by, like my grandparents were at the end of the vessin Dad and so 277 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,079 whenever they visited, they you know, went to the gates and they had 278 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,160 to walk to the bank, but they had to go past this house that 279 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:55,599 they people would say that there was a lady that like would appear at that 280 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,559 empty like room or house or whatever, because she passed away there apparently at 281 00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:06,279 some point, and so like nobody wanted to walk by it, and like 282 00:20:06,319 --> 00:20:11,240 they were playing hide and seek ones of course hide and seek, and well, 283 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,000 actually, let me backtrack one a little bit. So yeah, they 284 00:20:14,039 --> 00:20:18,200 would go back and forth, and like my great grandma, she she had 285 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:22,720 a moment, so she was kind of mean. There was times where like, 286 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,160 if you know, a kid was getting on her nrves, she would 287 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,079 tell them, like, you should leave now because it's getting late, but 288 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,799 watch out for the lady at the apartment. And then she would make like 289 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:36,119 ooh, so I just like scarer whoever she was talking to. So there 290 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,519 was a time where they were playing hide and seek in these apartments and it 291 00:20:37,559 --> 00:20:41,640 was getting late, and I don't know why they were playing, but my 292 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,200 I think it was one of my uncles. He it's always uncles. Yeah, 293 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,640 I know what possessed him to do this, I don't know, but 294 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:53,799 my uncle, for whatever reason, decided to hide next to the door where 295 00:20:53,799 --> 00:21:00,839 that apartment was that they said the lady appeared, and he was hiding and 296 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,000 so everyone was like, whoever was? It was like looking for everyone. 297 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:07,000 Right while he was hiding, he felt like someone touched his shoulder. Oh 298 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:14,880 no, and he fainted on the spot and they they found him and grabbed 299 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,480 him and welcome up whatever, and he said, like what happened? And 300 00:21:18,599 --> 00:21:21,279 bye, I feel like I think my mom's in. My great grandma was 301 00:21:21,319 --> 00:21:23,039 like, why are you even playing hide and Seek? They're like, you 302 00:21:23,079 --> 00:21:26,559 know that the lady is there, but yeah, something touch his shoulder. 303 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,079 Oh and like nobody else was around, so yeah, I would not. 304 00:21:33,079 --> 00:21:37,160 The lesson here is don't play hide and seek, don't be curious. Yeah. 305 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:45,799 Yeah. Welcome to our Hunted break. 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I 323 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,279 ran as far as my little legs would take me. I knew none of 324 00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:18,319 my cousins were dared to go near the river because there were stories of Layrna 325 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,880 appearing there, but it was daytime, so I didn't think it was scary. 326 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:26,000 I ran straight to the trees right next to that river. I could 327 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:32,720 hear my cousins counting and saying ready or not, here I come. I 328 00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:36,279 looked around, thinking I was going to win. That's when I spotted a 329 00:23:36,319 --> 00:23:40,599 woman in the river. She was crying. Her dress was dirty. She 330 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:45,400 was saying something between her tears, but I didn't understand her. I yelled 331 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,519 out, are you okay. That's when she went silent. She dragged her 332 00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:53,839 dirty fingertips against the rocks in the river and just stared. I froze and 333 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:59,759 felt the most intense fear I had ever felt. She stood up and screamed 334 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:03,480 and glided towards me. I don't know if that's a word, but I 335 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,720 I feel like it is like floating out. Yeah, yeah, I could 336 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:11,000 have sworn. I felt something grabbed my neck, but I couldn't see the 337 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:15,319 woman anymore. I yelled my mom's name again and again. I thought I 338 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,960 was going to die. Then I heard a familiar sound. My uncle's truck 339 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,880 was speeding towards me. He was pressing on the horn as if he was 340 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,039 trying to make all the sound in the world to scare something away. As 341 00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:30,880 the truck passed by me, my cousins pulled me up into the bed of 342 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,079 the truck and I knew I was safe. When we got home. My 343 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,799 uncle yelled at me for now listening. You shouldn't have gone that far. 344 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,039 You know, Layrona has been seen there. Why did you do this? 345 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:47,400 I think he saw her holding me. Oh no. He gave us a 346 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,559 hot chocolate and fan and none of us ever got near that part of the 347 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:55,480 river. Again. That is scary, right. Oh, I don't like 348 00:24:55,519 --> 00:24:59,079 any of it. That she felt her neck being grabbed, but she couldn't 349 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,359 see her anymore. And then the uncle was just like honkying and yelling. 350 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,960 Oh no, I like it, mm hmmm, all of it. It's 351 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:11,119 terrible. Yeah, I would have. I would have fainted and died right 352 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,119 there, like I'm like, what the hell is touching me? As I've 353 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,920 said before, Mecaguay Memuiro, I truly have. Yeah, she had to 354 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:25,000 my parts and passed out and died like okay. And then my next one 355 00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:30,079 is from Mundo Creepy. Oh I have not heard of that one. Oh 356 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,599 yeah, Mundo Creepy is pretty good on YouTube. Yeah, and they I 357 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,960 think they're probably on No, they might just be on YouTube, but it's 358 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:45,720 it's titled Sincostorias Part four, and this yeah again our stories that are sent 359 00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:51,359 into the channel, So this one, this was sent by A Sophia Cruz. 360 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,720 In nineteen eighty two, when I was eight, my family decided to 361 00:25:55,759 --> 00:26:00,640 move from my pueblo and Vera Cruz to Sudad, Mexico. I was very 362 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,359 sad. It was a very hard move. We left my abulitos, my 363 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:08,440 friends, everyone that I knew. But I really missed my Abuilita. I 364 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,240 lost my appetite and I could not sleep. When I did sleep, I 365 00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:17,039 had terrible nightmares. I didn't tell my parents about any of this. They 366 00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:18,920 were stressed about the move too, and I didn't want to add to their 367 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,799 stress. I began noticing these nightmares were all very similar. I was always 368 00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:29,119 alone in my polito, the streets were empty, and I was always looking 369 00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:33,440 for my grandma. It was this urgent need to find her. I'd call 370 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:37,559 her name, she was nowhere to be seen, and I was being chased 371 00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:41,200 by something or someone, but I could never see them. All I could 372 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,079 hear was a scream in the distance. Oh, it would get closer and 373 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,119 closer, until it was so close I would wake up in tears. This 374 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,160 went on for weeks. It felt endless. The weirdest part is that the 375 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:57,920 dreams were similar, but I knew it was not the same dream repeating itself. 376 00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:03,920 It was more. Each night it was an extension of the last dream. 377 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,920 The nightmare picked up where the last one left off. Oh that is 378 00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:14,279 not good, horrifying. It makes us all way worse. Yes, And 379 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,319 the last night that this happened, it started off like it always did, 380 00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:22,160 only the night was darker and I was in the streets again calling for my 381 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,880 grandma. This time, the screams were closer instead of starting farther away like 382 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:33,960 always. Then something pulled me by my shoulder and I turned around. It 383 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:38,039 was a woman bleeding from her eyes. She screamed in my face as I 384 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:44,279 cried. That's when my mom opened my door, and she was crying uncontrollably. 385 00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:48,440 She told me that my grandmother had passed away. I feel like that 386 00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:52,240 thing was warning me like an omen hm. It reminded me of la. 387 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,680 I don't think it was a coincidence. I truly believe that my Agualita would 388 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,160 have lived longer if we had not moved. I miss her every day, 389 00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:06,200 and it's been thirty eight years. I never saw anything like that again, 390 00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:12,519 but I still wonder what it was that is sad. It's sad and horrifying. 391 00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:17,119 Oh my god, I do not like it. It's so much worse 392 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,839 than everything, like the dreams. Knowing it's not because you know, like 393 00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:27,160 people have reoccurring nightmare like you're falling from the same place or your teeth are 394 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:33,039 falling off and they're always the same, but this being like it's like the 395 00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:37,960 same night like a movie almost like every every night she goes to bed is 396 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:45,400 another episode that continues from the previous one exactly exactly. That's horrifying. And 397 00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:49,160 yeah, then that thing finally reaching her, screaming in her face, and 398 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:55,039 then she gets the news about her grandma, like, ugh, no, 399 00:28:55,039 --> 00:29:00,559 no, I hate it. Yeah no, that's like that's horrible. It's 400 00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:07,960 like double the traumatic. Poor poor girl. It's really sad. Okay, 401 00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:11,359 So, uh my, I don't know if it's like stories are more like 402 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:19,640 I I guess legends mine, okay, more legend ish Okay. So Laa 403 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:27,400 is tied to see and Donancin and is the snake woman goddess, and I 404 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:33,640 have seen her interchangeably called Donancin, and also I have seen that sometimes Donancin 405 00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:40,160 is the title and not a specific deity, but like in the aspect of 406 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:45,279 things like this whole thing, they're interchangeable. So see se and Donancin are 407 00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:48,920 just pretty much the same thing, just like okay, yeah, yeah, 408 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,440 I've seen the same altered egos. Maybe I don't know. I don't know 409 00:29:52,440 --> 00:30:00,279 if that's like a thing or same name for different or different names for the 410 00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,880 same being. Yeah, kind of like how like uh a, Saturn and 411 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,240 Kronos are the same things for the Greeks and the Romans. Yeah, yeah, 412 00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:10,839 okay, yeah, so I think that's how it is. So the 413 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,039 story goes into a little bit the legends. I love it. Oh, 414 00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:18,920 I love this topic. So on top of the hill of tepe yakak or 415 00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:23,279 Tepeyak also Depeyak means hill, So when they say cedral or hill of Tepayak, 416 00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:29,079 they're saying hill hill. It's like it's like chai ti or like can 417 00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:33,079 stojo cassa house or la brea tarpits. It's like you're saying the same thing 418 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,559 twice or more. Yeah, it's like, what do you say chai ti 419 00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:41,039 I means tea, it's t tire. That's what you're saying when you say 420 00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:45,400 Chai Ti, but it it's like it always makes me laugh from like you 421 00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:49,720 guys, it's just the same thing in two different languages. Yeah, so 422 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:56,279 uh. Meshikas and other Nawah indigenous people believe that on top of Tepeyak Donancien, 423 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,839 the mother of the gods, would appear, and on top of the 424 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:03,720 hill of Tepeya Basilica, the Santa Marie Wallalupa now stands there. That was 425 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,559 a mouthful And because Donancin Lorna Levit the wall Lupe are so intertwined with our 426 00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:11,960 origin, I included a story of Donancin and Levitan the Wall Lupe, which 427 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:18,599 I think also ties into the omens brought by Lorna slash Donancin. Oh so, 428 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,359 before the conquistadors colonized on top of the Biac there was a temple dedicated 429 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:30,240 to Donancin and she was adored by tribes from the Anawak Empire. And this 430 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:34,559 is all written down by Spanish friars, so it says the natives revered the 431 00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:38,799 goddess. According to testimony, she appeared to one of them as a young 432 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:45,079 girl in a white robe and revealed secret things to the person Frijuan de Torque 433 00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:52,079 Mada in Monarchia, India, sixteen fifteen. So that was part of his 434 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:59,519 diary. So there was there was already like this this story with the indigenous 435 00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:02,880 people of the area, that there was a woman in white, then she 436 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,720 would appear to some of them. Uh. And so the Spanish did what 437 00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:10,319 they did and were like, that's a nice thing you got there. It 438 00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:15,640 would be a shame if somebody took it and they christianized Donancin. So the 439 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,279 indigenous people would convert kind of like how they took saturn Alia, the holiday 440 00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:24,000 for the Roman god Saturn Coronos, and they were like, let's name it 441 00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:34,519 Christmas. But so here is how Donanzin or and a little bit. There's 442 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,240 a few legends, so please guys bear with me. It's a little bit 443 00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:45,480 intertwined. The first one we'll cover is about my God, I have such 444 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:58,319 a hard time of the Yeah, an aspect of and is associated with midwives 445 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:05,599 and childbirths, and in this myth gives birth to the god of stars and 446 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,359 hunting, but abandons him as a baby at a crossroad. She becomes Seawaka 447 00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:19,079 and haunts the crossroads, mourning for her son and sea was sometimes depicted as 448 00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:23,000 an old woman with the skullface, and this was because many women died a 449 00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:27,920 childbirths and they were given the same honor as warriors, and their spirits were 450 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,240 depicted as having skeletal faces. It said that the spirits of the woman who 451 00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:37,240 died a childbirths called see what that they all also haunt crossroads. So I 452 00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:44,400 think that that's a little bit like of a maybe pre Hispanic legend where uh 453 00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:50,359 she cries for her son. Oh yeah yeah. And this this next myth 454 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,640 is more aligned with the stories we hear about. So it's omen number six 455 00:33:54,799 --> 00:34:00,680 of the destruction of the Aztec Empire. It's it describes a woman who roams 456 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,920 the streets crying for her children. She however, is crying for the future 457 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,360 generation of her people, as her children will eventually be conquered and destroyed by 458 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:14,320 the Spanish. This next story is another version of this omen, and before 459 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,199 the arrival of the Spanish, a woman was heard crying in the Lake of 460 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:22,280 Texcoco, saying, my beloved children of Anawak, your destruction is next. 461 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:30,239 The priest thought it was Siwakuat who was prophesizing the destruction of the indigenous people 462 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:36,920 of Mexico, and shortly after the colonization of the Mashika, the Spanish destroyed 463 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:42,320 the temple of tonansin on Tepeyac. The cries and sorrows of the goddess were 464 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,480 heard by the indigenous people when it was destroyed. When it was destroyed, 465 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:52,400 they said that they could hear a woman crying and at the top of the 466 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:58,519 hill like crying for her children, who were the indigenous people, you know, 467 00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:04,920 her people who who worshiped her, who she considered her children, and 468 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,679 also crying for the destruction of their culture, their people, and the destruction 469 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:15,519 of her temple. So a lot of coincidences with la you know, she 470 00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:21,360 cries for her children, she she will, she's she's heard with this sorrow, 471 00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:24,360 you know, this huge sorrow. And all these stories were believed to 472 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:30,639 have been the origin of Lorna, which then the Spanish then vilified Si slash 473 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:35,440 donansin our mother and portrayed her as a horrible mother who was you know, 474 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,400 the made the murder of her children, when in reality they murder her children 475 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:44,480 and that's why she cries. Yeah, as in her children being the entirety 476 00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:49,400 of the indigenous indigenous people and she's mourning for them. She's crying, she's 477 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,840 saying, my children, But it's not because she killed them. It's because 478 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,920 they were killed by the Spanish and colonization for them. Yeah, and which 479 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,960 is also goes similar to the story that I uh I first told on here 480 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,559 that I grew up with, which is like the the woman goes to market 481 00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:13,360 and then there's these soldiers in town, but when she comes back, she 482 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,159 finds out that her children were murdered by the soldiers, and then she's so 483 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:22,199 sad that she ends up taking her life and then she becomes thea not because 484 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,159 she killed her children, because she's in mourning for the murders of her children 485 00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:30,440 that these soldiers did. Yeah. So that was I I never heard of 486 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:36,320 this, And also the connection to how like, because I don't feel that 487 00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:43,360 we I don't think we talked about donuts, but she an episode that we 488 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,480 did a while back, not our first episode might be like our second or 489 00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:52,480 third one. But I want to say that I talked about see what Wait, 490 00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:58,920 sorry, I don't remember if it was, but yeah, that was 491 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:05,079 like the alleged apparition of La in the Spanish codexes. Yes, and they 492 00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:08,840 called her like a demon, yes, but yeah it's And then they took 493 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:14,480 her her image and they made the vitan the Walla Lupe. Yes, yeah, 494 00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:19,840 which is like crazy. And I also found out that the Wallaalupe gets 495 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:25,440 her name from a river in Spain called Guallalupe River. Oh and and they 496 00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:31,159 once found a statue, a dark skinned statue of the Virgin Mary. There. 497 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,920 I didn't know about the statue. Yeah, so I didn't write this 498 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,880 down, but I remember it. So they in in Spain, in this 499 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:43,360 area called Wallalupe River. This farmer found this statue and it was the statue 500 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:49,119 of the Virgin Mary. But she was dark skinned, right, So when 501 00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:52,079 the Concussadors came to the to the Americas, they were like, oh, 502 00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:55,639 look at their dark skinned too. This is going to be their their their 503 00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:06,760 vetin. So they so with Donancin and along with uh this deity, like 504 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,159 this version of Mary that they found in Walla Lupe River in Spain, they 505 00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:14,679 were like, okay, so we're gonna name uh, We're gonna combine the 506 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:21,320 two and give the people La Wallpe. And it worked. But she is 507 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,239 like this this thing and and yeah, so that's where the name Juallalupe comes 508 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:30,639 from which is from this uh statue that was found in Wallalup in Spain, 509 00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:35,639 and then they combined it with Donanceine and that's how they were able to Yeah, 510 00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:43,320 this is what you know colonizers do, is like merge existing beliefs into 511 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,639 Christianity to get people to convert more easily easily, yes, yeah, which 512 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,639 is all part of you know, genocide, to destroy someone's belief cures. 513 00:38:52,760 --> 00:39:00,760 And yeah, yeah, means I believe river of wolves so oh well that 514 00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:05,960 is Arabic for I think water. I could be wrong, but loope comes 515 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,159 from the Latin word lupus, like wolf. Yes, oh my god, 516 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:14,559 I did not know that. And there's so many words that are Arabic in 517 00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:17,039 origin when it comes to Spanish, and I think I don't think a lot 518 00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:22,199 of people realize that. Yeah, it's it's very Yeah, Spanish is very 519 00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:27,239 close to Arabic, very like almost like they say rice the same, they 520 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,519 say a lot of stuff almost exactly the same. It's like the Spanish language 521 00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:36,119 is Latin mixed with Arabic. Yeah, cereal. Yeah, but wow, 522 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,079 I yeah, I didn't know about the riven all that. So we're gonna 523 00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:42,679 get a lot of heated comments because they're gonna be like, no, not 524 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,119 my veatan. Yeah, it's fine. We've already been dealing with heating comments 525 00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:51,800 the past week, so yeah, but yeah, when we've been dealing with 526 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,239 heated comments, yeah, since since the beginning of our last episode, so 527 00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,840 since the beginning even before that. Like, I feel like I feel like 528 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,360 we there's like some stuff that we say that people are like no, but 529 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,360 I'm like, listen, listen. Yeah for all, I don't know what 530 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:21,920 to tell you. This is this is this is what says. Yeah whatever, 531 00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:28,480 Well, anyway, do you have any speaky recommendations? I I am 532 00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:32,480 gonna watch what is that? Uh? It's on I believe to be It's 533 00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:38,119 called the Oh my god, it's a Japanese thriller. Oh the Audition. 534 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,639 I'm gonna watch. Oh I haven't seen that. Okay, well let me 535 00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:45,000 know how it is. I will. I have not been watching anything, 536 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:51,880 Yeah, I haven't. Yeah, that's the only thing that's on my what 537 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,400 is it called my list? I've been off TV. It's it's been hard. 538 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,679 This past two weeks have been hard. Yeah. Yeah, I don't 539 00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:02,760 have speaky recommendations, But you want to recommend a couple of podcast episodes from 540 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:08,960 the Empire files for anyone that wants to further educate themselves on Palestine. So 541 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,800 they have one let's see titled Gaza Refugee on the Gaza Genocide. The world 542 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,920 gives us only body bags. So the host, Abbi Martin, speaks with 543 00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:25,119 Mohammed he was born and raised in Gaza. So that's one episode that's an 544 00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:31,119 excellent resource. The other one, Emergense Broadcast Israel's Hospital Massacre and the Gaza 545 00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:37,679 Genocide. That's from October seventeenth, the same podcast. Another one from the 546 00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:44,480 same podcast, Israeli Law comes to the US shocking legal saga to silence pro 547 00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:49,719 Palestine speech. This one from April fifth, twenty twenty one. Since then, 548 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,679 wow, oh yeah, let me tell you so this episode I listened 549 00:41:53,679 --> 00:42:00,639 to it. There's so Abbi Martin. She interviews a Palestinian American activist. 550 00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:05,480 Her name is Suhi Oh my gosh, I can't pronounce it, Sue Heir, 551 00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:08,480 Sue Hier. I can't say her name. I listened, I saw 552 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,960 how she said it, and I still I'm not saying it right. She 553 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:17,000 interviews her because she had just one an important and shocking legal case, because 554 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:23,679 there was an Israeli firm that tried to punish her under Israeli law for a 555 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:30,079 Facebook post that she made. What and the Facebook post was just her I 556 00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:36,119 think they said something about a former idea of soldiers. They like posted her 557 00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:38,920 picture and said something about her being like a victim. And then the person 558 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:43,960 that Abbi Martin interviewed like grab that and shared it and then wrote on top 559 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,679 of it, this is an idea of soldier that did this and this and 560 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:50,039 this. None of it was lies. It was all factual. And they 561 00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:54,639 tried to sue her, not based on California law but Israeli law for that 562 00:42:54,719 --> 00:43:00,000 post. How was that even legal? And this brings me to my next 563 00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:05,800 topic which they mentioned in this episode. But there is thirty seven states in 564 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,480 the United States that business is specifically businesses, so it's not individuals, but 565 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,360 it's illegal to boycott. I think it's businesses that get money from the state. 566 00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:22,039 I don't think it's like any kind of business. So if you're like 567 00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:25,039 a personal business, like a public business, you're fine, you could boycott 568 00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:30,440 whatever you want, But if you're getting money from the government or the state, 569 00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:34,719 you're not allowed. Like exactly, you cannot that. A lot of 570 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,039 teachers have to sign a oath to Israel, which is like, what the 571 00:43:38,159 --> 00:43:42,559 f. Yeah, so that's what this episode touches on that because a lot 572 00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:45,119 of people think that they started on October seven, then it didn't. But 573 00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:50,639 that same podcast has episodes from like two years ago talking about this. There's 574 00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:54,480 another podcast called Truanon. They also have episodes in Palestine that are like old 575 00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:59,840 because this started in nineteen forty eight, Like this did not start on October 576 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,440 seventh, So yeah, just different episodes. Oh another one sorry, This 577 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,159 one is called Dose. This podcast Dozed with Abbi Martin, and this one 578 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:15,280 is a she talks with a guy named Miko Paler. He's a son of 579 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:21,199 a famous Israeli general, and he talks with her about the myths that Americans 580 00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:25,239 and Israelis are taught about Israel. And then they talk about settler attacks in 581 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:30,320 Palestine. And this is from October twenty fifth, twenty twenty two. Oh 582 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:36,199 my god. Yeah, So I'm gonna link all those in the show notes 583 00:44:36,519 --> 00:44:39,320 for anyone else that wants to like learn more. But you know, as 584 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:45,559 we said last episode, we stand with Palestine and like, yeah, free 585 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:50,360 Palestine, and I will keep including those other links we had in the show 586 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,320 notes as well, and if that makes any former listener, because like we 587 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,920 got a message that was like like y'ah two yeah, one was just like 588 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,760 calling us stupid bitch it. I'm like okay, ma'am, I'm like whatever. 589 00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:07,400 But the other one was like long ass DM that we got. They 590 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,880 were like, yeah, I've always been listening for the beginning, whether I 591 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,480 agree or not with the stand you guys took on Israel or Palestine. I 592 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:21,000 listened to get away from this kind of stuff, even for just a little 593 00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:25,480 bit. And so I can't keep listening because we because we spent too long 594 00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:29,800 talking about current affairs, because we talked about Palestine, we talked about the 595 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,719 otto me in Mexico. But it's like, have you really been listening because 596 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:38,480 we have always talked about this this kind of stuff. Yeah, and considering 597 00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:42,920 the fact that a lot of legends from Latin America stem from this kind of 598 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,679 stuff, the fact that people have like this Pikachu phase or they're like what 599 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,159 They're like, yeah, where have you been? Yeah? Where have you 600 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,679 been? Like we literally had a whole month where we only did two crime 601 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:58,199 cases that were like state sanctioned violence on women in Mexico. We don't need 602 00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:04,239 a patron funds to the seen and murdered indigenous women. We talked about like 603 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,920 I mean, like when you've aaldi happened like everything. We have never not 604 00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:09,800 talked about this kind of stuff, and it's like, what a privilege to 605 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:15,079 get away from this kind of stuff. We're gonna bring it up. We're 606 00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:21,480 gonna mention resources when we can. So yeah, like come on, we 607 00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:25,239 like literally talk about religiosi myths, that's them from colonization. We are both 608 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:30,320 Mexican, im have Salvadoran and as we all know, both these places have 609 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:37,639 been colonized. Both of here still from oppression. They're still you know, 610 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,159 like come on, get out of here. And also you don't have to 611 00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:47,239 announce your departures. This isn't an airport. Yeah, I don't understand. 612 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,920 I never understood that. It's like, yeah, if you don't agree, 613 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,280 if you're tired of it, listen to other podcasts. But we have it's 614 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,440 not a big it's not a big platform, it's not a huge audience, 615 00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:01,440 but we're gonna share what we can do what we can. So yeah, 616 00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:07,119 that is all. I have anything else to add before we go, No, 617 00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:10,960 I just I don't know, just hoping you guys are everyone's okay. 618 00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:16,039 I guess because I've been having a hard time and I just hope everyone's okay. 619 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:20,960 Just a little sending a little love out there. Yes, yes, 620 00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:25,280 much needed, much needed for sure. 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